Re: Threading
Hello Stuart, Don't apologize for me being dumb. snipped ... I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing! Just a coincidence or did you force the cookie? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mass Exporting Messages
Hello tbudl, Is there a way of doing a mass export of messages to MSG format, only from certain folders? Or is it just a case of doing a TOOLS ---EXPORT MESSAGES for each folder? -- Best regards, Michael ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) There is something to be said about me: Wow!! http://.thompsonmike.co.uk/ PGP KeyID := 0x402A090F 'To see a world in a grain of sand And heaven in a wild flower To hold infinity in the palm of your hand And eternity in an hour' Using TheBat! Version 1.62r Running On Windows XP (2600, Service Pack 1) Sent From OneAndOne Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Euro character
Hello Deborah, AltGr is a button which is found on European keyboards where you'd find one of the Alt buttons on North American keyboards. It acts as a second Alt button, allowing you to have a whole extra set of keyboard shortcuts. Actually it basically does the same that Alt+Ctrl keys hit together and the main use is to have 3 characters available on many keys. Take for example the 2 or E keys on a Spanish keyboard: 2 = 2 Shift+2 = AltGr+2 = @ E = e Shift+E = E AltGR+E = Cheers, -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A wish...
Hello Deborah, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:44:11 -0400 GMT (25/07/03, 23:44 +0700 GMT), Deborah W wrote: TF Oh then, how would TB know which accounts you want to check now, and TF which accounts you want to check next time? Because I would highlight the first account I want to check, then use ctrl-click to highlight the other accounts I want to check, then press F2 to check the highlighted accounts :-) That's an idea... take it to the wishlist. Visit the link at the bottom of this mail to direct you. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. This being Easter Sunday, we will ask Mrs. Lewis to come forward and lay an egg on the alter. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
Hi Alexander, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:22:11 +0200 Alexander wrote: (You may remember that I could not achieve the necessary SMTP authentication while _sending mail_ from The Bat through ChoiceMail.) Just one question - the test mail you were sending with Netscape, did you send it through ChoiceMail, or directly to the SMTP server? It's as if this Netscape client can work with ChoiceMail (and SMTP) in ways that The Bat cannot. Hmmm. Thats what I was suspecting. I have the feeling that TB is not as fault tolerant for misbehaving SMTP-servers, or something. Here's what happens to me *every* time... 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - sending mail messages - 1 messages in queue 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - connected to SMTP server 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (plain)... 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: Incorrect authentication data 25.07.2003, 12:12:17: SEND - authenticating (login)... [...] The message is sent, but only after an initial error. It would be interesting to see what the server actually says, but I don't know how to intercept the command/reply exchange. What it actual says is Incorrect authentication data. The server does not like the way TB! authenticates using method PLAIN. There're two ways using PLAIN. - Challange-Response, i.e. server asks for username, client responds, server asks for password, client responds. - parameter passing. i.e. client sends not only 'AUTH PLAIN' as command but 'AUTH PLAIN authentication'. The Bat! is, IIRC, not capable of the latter way. And RFC does not enforce authentication being done the parameter way, it only says this /CAN/ be done this way. As it seems the server does expect end enforce the parameter passing method when AUTH=PLAIN is used. To sum it up: it's a stupid server and I wouldn't really care as at least AUTH=LOGIN works. -- Ciao, Pit Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help selecting multiple recipients
Steve- Friday, July 25, 2003, 9:32:21 AM, you wrote: I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta? I just checked and the tab order seems to be more or less the same in 1.63 beta 7 and 1.53t. The major difference at first glance is that the initial tab placement is different - it's in the search box in the beta and in the address book selector in the earlier release. But in either case pressing the tab key once gets me to the contact list. Past that point the tab order is a bit non-intuitive in either version. -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
transplanting BAT
Hello BAT members, I just got a new computer with Win2000. My current one runs on Win98. I read here some time ago how to move/copy BAT over to a new computer with a different operating system. I will use BAT backup procedure, but my registers, drive letters will be different. Is there an archive I could search for this info, or if it is simple could someone please let me know how to do it. Another question, although it maybe should be in BOT, but it is simple: Can I use Partition Magic on Win2000. My current PM version is V:4.0 from 1998. TIA -- Best regards, Peter Kerekes (Toronto, Canada) When two people in a business always agree, one of them is unnecessary. -- Anon Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:47:59 +0200 GMT (25/07/03, 23:47 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: Now, I don't know whether you snipped too much,... When threading by reference, which TB does beautifully and specially in this list where everybody uses TB, quoting shouldn't be necessary at all. I am subscribed to a number of newsgroups where most posters don't quote anything at all. After all, that's what threading was invented for, or wasn't it? :-) Yes and no. I receive 100-200 mails a day, most of them from mailing lists, and while I don't apprecaite full quotes, I don't want to have to go up the thread to know what the reply was all about. I have seen postings that just contained one word: No. So that is what I call under-quoting. On the other hand, I might have been making fun of you. ;-) but it certainly sounds like PowerPro cures stupidity. Well, not really. It made me feel stupid when I first tried to do something with it, and still does some times :-) So it's not a cure after all? g -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A day without fusion is like a day without sunshine. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quoted text
When I reply to a message in ver. 1.62r, the quoted text does not show. However, when I highlight the area where the quoted text would (should) be, it shows properly in highlighted inverse video. Is this a bug? I can't find the option setting where I specify the (unhighted) color of quoted text. Thanks! Steve . . . Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: A wish...
Friday, July 25, 2003, 12:44:11 PM, you wrote: DW Because I would highlight the first account I want to check, then use DW ctrl-click to highlight the other accounts I want to check, then press DW F2 to check the highlighted accounts :-) Excellent suggestion. This is something I would like to see myself. -Vishal Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, Friday, July 25, 2003, MAU MAU wrote: Thank you! I thought you already knew about it. No. I don't read every thread in TB lists, so this is the first I've seen the link. I've added it to my Ritlabs favorites, so don't go erasing the page. Maybe I should save the page locally. Anyway! IIRC correctly the last time I saw you mention it was last Xmas season, and you didn't have it complete. I might have inquired once without response, and didn't want to push the issue. BTW I did DL PowerPro and start to go through the tutorial. Like you said in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] it can make you feel stupid at first. I haven't finished it, but probably should. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Can I copy views?
Hi list, I have my TBUDL folder customized exactly the way I want it meaning the order of columns, column width, etc... Can I somehow copy this view to my other mailing list folders? I have folders set up to not use the parent view as I don't want my inbox customized in the same way. Any help greatly appreciated -- I couldn't find anything about this in the help file, so appologize if I've missed it somewhere. Steve Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Thebat! only used by spammers?
I was wondering why my email to my brother kept being rejected. I thought it was rejecting my ISP, but when I switched to a POP3 mailbox hosted independently of any ISP it was still rejected. My host asked why, and was told: That message (or messages from that sender to that recipient) was the first non-spam use of an X-Mailer of The Bat! in an extremely long time. (I went back several months in the logs.) It's a real client, but it seems like nobody other than spammers use (or forge) it. Doug -- Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated Submissions to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Doug's Archaeology Site: http://www.ramtops.demon.co.uk Co-owner UK-Schools mailing list: email me for details Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
25-Jul-2003 19:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To sum it up: it's a stupid server and I wouldn't really care as at least AUTH=LOGIN works. Thanks for the explanation. Well, with the dozens of ways to authenticate these days, who'd mind a poor little server get confused? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) The wave of the future is coming, and there is no fighting it. -- Anne M. Lindbergh Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quoted text
Hello Steve, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 17:15:38 -0700 GMT (26/07/03, 07:15 +0700 GMT), Steve Mary King wrote: When I reply to a message in ver. 1.62r, the quoted text does not show. However, when I highlight the area where the quoted text would (should) be, it shows properly in highlighted inverse video. Is this a bug? I can't find the option setting where I specify the (unhighted) color of quoted text. Options / Preferences / Editor / Plain-Text. There is a drop-down list for Item, and next to it is Colour. Choose the item (background, or quoted text) and the colour that it shouyld appear in. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My old aunts used to come up to me at weddings, poking me in the ribs and cackling, telling me, You're next! They stopped after I started doing the same thing to them at funerals. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help selecting multiple recipients
Hi Steve, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 25 Jul 2003 10:11:16 (my local time 16:11:16), you typed: MW Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when MW I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient MW box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for MW you. A double-click should also add a recipient. SMS I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta? Another question is if the screen reader for one strange reason or another doesn't go to the fields in the order that they are presented on the screen? Btw, the spacebar-trick didn't work for me either using tb beta 10 of v1.6.3 with Hal 5.20 under Win XP pro. -- -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V1.63 Beta/10, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thebat! only used by spammers?
Hello Doug, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 06:26:04 +0100 GMT (26/07/03, 12:26 +0700 GMT), Doug Weller wrote: That message (or messages from that sender to that recipient) was the first non-spam use of an X-Mailer of The Bat! in an extremely long time. (I went back several months in the logs.) This has to be nonsense, or the spam in my inbox is not representative. Not a single one claiming to come from The Bat, many many many from Outlook. It's a real client, but it seems like nobody other than spammers use (or forge) it. I take it he has blocked Outlook as well. And if he thinks he can block spam by filtering on an X-Mailer header, he should probably be in another job anyway. In fact, if this is the quality of people employed by your brother's ISP, I think it is time for him to change ISPs. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The president has the power to appoint and disappoint the members of his cabinet. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: transplanting BAT
Hello Peter, Another question, although it maybe should be in BOT, but it is simple: Can I use Partition Magic on Win2000. My current PM version is V:4.0 from 1998. I believe for Win2k you need at least PM 5.0 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thebat! only used by spammers?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Doug, @26-Jul-2003, 06:26 Doug Weller [DW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It's a real client, but it seems like nobody other than spammers use (or forge) it. Please refer this individual to http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html and, of course, to http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyJsZDnkJKuSnc2gEQLQOQCg+b4I4tq2JwotgDuAGIZSX0xnOQAAoP42 3zXg921bHNntTgY+i1We5XFJ =jqlR -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thebat! only used by spammers?
On Saturday, July 26, 2003, 1:26:04 AM, Doug Weller wrote: DW I was wondering why my email to my brother kept being rejected. I DW thought it was rejecting my ISP, but when I switched to a POP3 DW mailbox hosted independently of any ISP it was still rejected. My DW host asked why, and was told: That message (or messages from that sender to that recipient) was the first non-spam use of an X-Mailer of The Bat! in an extremely long time. (I went back several months in the logs.) It's a real client, but it seems like nobody other than spammers use (or forge) it. Perhaps you could direct them to the publicly-available on-line archives for this list, to prove otherwise... -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: transplanting BAT
On Friday, July 25, 2003, 2:39:15 PM, Peter Kerekes wrote: PK I just got a new computer with Win2000. My current one runs on PK Win98. PK I read here some time ago how to move/copy BAT over to a new PK computer with a different operating system. I will use BAT backup PK procedure, but my registers, drive letters will be different. PK Is there an archive I could search for this info, or if it is simple PK could someone please let me know how to do it. I had exactly the same situation - new computer, going from Win98 to Win2K. I simply installed TB, using the original file that I'd downloaded, backed up the data from the old pc restored it to the new one. When you restore everything, it will bring over most info, including all your filters even your registration info. You do lose one or two things, such as the order of your accounts in the account pane, but that's a minor thing to re-sort :-) The Backup Restore can be found on the Tools menu btw. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: transplanting BAT
On Friday, July 25, 2003, 2:39:15 PM, Peter Kerekes wrote: PK I just got a new computer with Win2000. My current one runs on PK Win98. PK I read here some time ago how to move/copy BAT over to a new PK computer with a different operating system. I will use BAT backup PK procedure, but my registers, drive letters will be different. PK Is there an archive I could search for this info, or if it is simple PK could someone please let me know how to do it. I had exactly the same situation - new computer, going from Win98 to Win2K. I simply installed TB, using the original file that I'd downloaded, backed up the data from the old pc restored it to the new one. When you restore everything, it will bring over most info, including all your filters even your registration info. You do lose one or two things, such as the order of your accounts in the account pane, but that's a minor thing to re-sort :-) The Backup Restore can be found on the Tools menu btw. -- Deborah Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Thomas, I have seen postings that just contained one word: No. That is only because the sender doesn't use fancy macro-composed greetings, fancy signatures with random cookies and PGP ;-) So it's not a cure after all? g No. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: transplanting BAT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MAU, Saturday, July 26, 2003, 12:55:19 PM, you wrote: Another question, although it maybe should be in BOT, but it is simple: Can I use Partition Magic on Win2000. My current PM version is V:4.0 from 1998. M I believe for Win2k you need at least PM 5.0 If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are unreliable and support is next to useless. If you wish to discuss further take this thread to TBOT. M - -- Best regards, Martin Webster The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPyJus1v+PP8p0/caEQK3CgCg30oTlGERgMKk7Hg4VEWlECyQS5YAoIOp tU4TklbyrhIojdqTBHN6tmr6 =+1ng -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: help selecting multiple recipients
Hi Steve, In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 24 Jul 2003 22:25:17 (my local time 25 jul 2003 04:25:17), you typed: SMS BTW, I still can't figure out which button is which, SMS but I can trial and error it and can then label each button with the SMS screen reader. Have you tried setting punktuation of your screen reader to all? The buttons are labeled with less than and greater than symbols, and if the punctuation is set to none or so, the characters don't get read. Just a thought. -- -- /Krister mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail brought to you by The bat! V1.63 Beta/10, on Windows XP 5 1 build 2600 Pgp keys available here: Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
test message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, This is a test message - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPyJzpVfJ62ArBxfiEQIcJQCgxPZDnQCDsLphxjTXMWVfohEoDh8AoKv9 sHxK2E90Hpl/Q1dV7SqoIbtL =c8WQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Greg, Friday, July 25, 2003, MAU MAU wrote: That reply template... :) No. I don't read every thread in TB lists, What do you mean you don't read every thread !?!? You are supposed to, why do you join the list then? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mass Exporting Messages
Hallo Michael, On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:39:27 +0100GMT (25-7-03, 19:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MT Is there a way of doing a mass export of messages to MSG format, MT only from certain folders? No. MT Or is it just a case of doing a TOOLS ---EXPORT MESSAGES for each MT folder? Yes, exporting is a message oriented function, so you have to select the messages first and that can't be done on a multiple folder level. MT -- BTW Your signature delimiter is broken. It should be dashdashspaceenter -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: test message
Hallo Allie, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 07:27:15 -0500GMT (26-7-03, 14:27 +0200, where I live), you wrote: AM This is a test message AM - -- In that case: Your signature delimiter is broken. g,dr -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
Dear Peter, On 19:51 25.07.2003, you [Peter Palmreuther] wrote... As it seems the server does expect end enforce the parameter passing method when AUTH=PLAIN is used. To sum it up: it's a stupid server and I wouldn't really care as at least AUTH=LOGIN works. We notice this on Exim, both 3.x and 4.x, together with Outlook Express clients. So I'd rather go for stupid client ;-) Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Wenn jemand einen Feed fuer Chemnitz anzubieten hat ... immer her damit. chemnitz.* fehlt mir noch. findest du bei den oldfarts wahrscheinlich immer noch unter karl-marx-stadt.* ~ Frank Paulsen in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: test message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Roelof, @26-Jul-2003, 14:42 +0200 (13:42 UK time) Roelof Otten [RO] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Allie: AM This is a test message AM - -- RO In that case: Your signature delimiter is broken. g,dr Tell it to Phil Zimmerman! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyJ6HDnkJKuSnc2gEQL6FQCgsyV4586yuiqsjcIVLjeRsTJ1R7wAoIBy NryBx2P85rFxlXUCZ1kcOsXl =chGF -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: transplanting BAT
Hello Martin, On July 26, 2003, 08:06, you wrote: MW Hello MAU, MW Saturday, July 26, 2003, 12:55:19 PM, you wrote: Another question, although it maybe should be in BOT, but it is simple: Can I use Partition Magic on Win2000. My current PM version is V:4.0 from 1998. M I believe for Win2k you need at least PM 5.0 MW If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... MW don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are MW unreliable and support is next to useless. MW If you wish to discuss further take this thread to TBOT. MW M Thanks for the advise, would like to discuss partition more. How do I take this tread to TBOT? Start a brand new tread, or copy this e-mail over? TIA -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: transplanting BAT
Hello Deborah, On July 26, 2003, 07:59, you wrote: DW On Friday, July 25, 2003, 2:39:15 PM, Peter Kerekes wrote: PK I just got a new computer with Win2000. My current one runs on PK Win98. PK I read here some time ago how to move/copy BAT over to a new PK computer with a different operating system. I will use BAT backup PK procedure, but my registers, drive letters will be different. PK Is there an archive I could search for this info, or if it is simple PK could someone please let me know how to do it. DW I had exactly the same situation - new computer, going from Win98 to DW Win2K. I simply installed TB, using the original file that I'd DW downloaded, backed up the data from the old pc restored it to the new DW one. When you restore everything, it will bring over most info, DW including all your filters even your registration info. You do lose DW one or two things, such as the order of your accounts in the account DW pane, but that's a minor thing to re-sort :-) DW The Backup Restore can be found on the Tools menu btw. Thanks for the advise. will follow it. But slowly I hate to load programs twice, because of a rush. -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: test message
Hello Marck, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:54:50 +0100 GMT (26/07/03, 19:54 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: AM - -- RO In that case: Your signature delimiter is broken. g,dr Tell it to Phil Zimmerman! I have another idea: Let TB recognise - -- as a sig delimiter. AAMOF, I think this worked in an earlier version. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Politics is the ability to foretell what is going to happen tomorrow, next week, next month and next year. And to have the ability afterwards to explain why it didn't happen. (Winston Churchill) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT)
Hello Peter, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:00:08 -0400 GMT (26/07/03, 20:00 +0700 GMT), Peter Kerekes wrote: M I believe for Win2k you need at least PM 5.0 MW If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... MW don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are MW unreliable and support is next to useless. MW If you wish to discuss further take this thread to TBOT. MW M Thanks for the advise, would like to discuss partition more. How do I take this tread to TBOT? Start a brand new tread, or copy this e-mail over? There are different techniques, one is to CC tbot in, so that any replies go there. I'll see you there, 'cause I also have a question to PM 5.0. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Ist es nicht merkwuerdig, dass jeden Tag gerade so viel passiert, wie in die Zeitung passt? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT)
Hello Thomas, On July 26, 2003, 09:16, you wrote: TF Hello Peter, TF On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:00:08 -0400 GMT (26/07/03, 20:00 +0700 GMT), TF Peter Kerekes wrote: M I believe for Win2k you need at least PM 5.0 MW If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... MW don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are MW unreliable and support is next to useless. MW If you wish to discuss further take this thread to TBOT. MW M Thanks for the advise, would like to discuss partition more. How do I take this tread to TBOT? Start a brand new tread, or copy this e-mail over? TF There are different techniques, one is to CC tbot in, so that any TF replies go there. I'll see you there, 'cause I also have a question to TF PM 5.0. ;-) I hope the moderator is satisfied with this method of transfer. I always (say 10 years), partitioned my hard drive to 4-5 segments to keep the operating system and Windows on one drive, my Data, photos etc on other, and all other programs again on another. I also had a virtual drive for keeping initially the original programs downloaded before I saved it to a CD. Further I had another drive for the swap file. I may want to add Linux to another drive to fool around with it. Now with the Win2K the dealer suggested not to partition, but did not explain why. I looked around and found basically 2 partition programs the Partition Magic I used in the past, and another from Paragon: Partition Manager. Neither is a shareware (only fully crippled demo-s are available for download), the latter is somewhat cheaper than the former. Martin Webster appears to be against partitioning, but I am not sure is this against using Partition Magic or any partitioning? Any expert or experienced users recommendation is welcomed before I mess up the new computer. -- Peter Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows 98 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
GnuPG Signature Verification in TB! ?
Using TB! 1.62r, Windows 2000 Pro SP2, GnuPG 1.2.2 (for Windows) I have a messagage with a GnuPG signature. The message has the following general format: BEGIN PPG SIGNED MESSAGE message block, NOT encrypted BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE Signature block END PGP SIGNATURE I have the author's public key in my keyring. With the message in preview, I go to the Tools/OpenPGP/Check OpenPGP Signature menu, and TB shows me a message with Good signature from... pretty as you please. Great, this works. What I'd like to know is, can TB! give me a similar answer if the message is both encrypted and signed, i.e. when the format is: BEGIN PPG MESSAGE ASCII-Armored (or not) encrypted message END PGP SIGNATURE The reason I ask is: I am evaluating TB! and comparing it to my existing MUA, Eudora Pro. The GnuPG plugin in Eudora lets me verify the signature on this second type of message before decrypting it. It displays Good signature from... without decrypting it. I realize this would require me to enter my passphrase twice (once for the verification, and again for the decryption) and I understand it is not possible to make this kind of verification without the GPG decrypting anyway (at least internally, without necessarily displaying the decrypted message yet). At any rate, I've been told that TB! should be able to do this. If not, I can come up with my own solutions, but I would love to know if anyone here has been able to verify signatures on THIS kind of message, within the TB! GUI, before instructing TB! to go ahead and decrypt. Many thanks and best regards Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: test message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Thomas, @26-Jul-2003, 20:14 +0700 (14:14 UK time) Thomas Fernandez [TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: RO In that case: Your signature delimiter is broken. g,dr Tell it to Phil Zimmerman! TF I have another idea: Let TB recognise - -- as a sig delimiter. ... and a very good idea it is too!!! TF AAMOF, I think this worked in an earlier version. Not yet - only with the help of sig-strip macro sets. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyKOgznkJKuSnc2gEQLb3gCgqB3AQSt2OS2NTi0cETMLXBM94G0AnRAB X3FRyv4P4MUYxgWdFNExMyNI =gj4/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT)
Hello Peter, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 10:06:40 -0400 GMT (26/07/03, 21:06 +0700 GMT), Peter Kerekes wrote: I hope the moderator is satisfied with this method of transfer. Marck appears to be off-line (this guy seems to have a life outside of the internet!), I haven't heard from Leif in a while, and Allie is having problems with his POP-server. But since you have copied your message to TBOT, I suggest we continue there. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. No electrons were harmed in the creation, transmission or reading of this email. However, many were excited and some may well have enjoyed the experience. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT) OT
Hello Thomas, On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 9:16:35 AM, you wrote re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT): MW If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... MW don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are MW unreliable and support is next to useless. Wonderful! I just bought the newest Drive Image yesterday. My previous version was DI 4.0. So far I have installed DI 2002 because I don't want to deal with .Net just yet. I am currently using Partition Magic 6.0. Based on what've read, I wish that 7.0 was still available! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mass Exporting Messages
Hello Roelof, Saturday, July 26, 2003, Roelof Otten wrote: MT Is there a way of doing a mass export of messages to MSG format, MT only from certain folders? No. TMK Correct on direct method, but I've used an indirect method in the past for exporting messages from multiple folders. Create a temp folder, then do a search selecting current account or all accounts to capture all messages desired. In the message finder Alt+0 for no threading and select all (Ctrl+A). Then copy (or move if you don't care about message base) the messages to the temp folder. You can do your mass export from the temp folder. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello MAU, Friday, July 25, 2003, MAU MAU wrote: ^^^ ^^^ That reply template... :) Sorry about that. I now have NO reply header. Funny how things evolve. :-) No. I don't read every thread in TB lists, What do you mean you don't read every thread !?!? Ctrl+Shift+M Very handy! You are supposed to, why do you join the list then? ;-) To read what I want to read. IIRC correctly you do not read all messages. :-) -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT) OT
I purchased the paragon product yesterday after email there tech support as to the sutability of my application (win2kserver) received an email the next day. Ordered it and used it 1 hour later I had a 76 Gig partition on my server and all my data intact (I had a 2048 meg previously). not bad for my $50 bucks! - Original Message - From: Wayne Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT) OT Hello Thomas, On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 9:16:35 AM, you wrote re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT): MW If you're working with NTFS or thinking of upgrading... MW don't. Current versions of Partition Magic and Drive Image are MW unreliable and support is next to useless. Wonderful! I just bought the newest Drive Image yesterday. My previous version was DI 4.0. So far I have installed DI 2002 because I don't want to deal with .Net just yet. I am currently using Partition Magic 6.0. Based on what've read, I wish that 7.0 was still available! -- Peace! Wayne Howard Another world is indeed possible! www.natcap.org Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT) OT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Danger, @26-Jul-2003, 11:37 -0400 (16:37 UK time) CylinderN said: I purchased the paragon product yesterday ... snip Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Danger. This posting goes against the list rules about trimming quotes and 'top posting'. The preferred method is to reply inline and to trim the message you are replying to as you do so in order that only contextual references remain. Please don't just hit reply and bang in a disconnected paragraph at the top, leaving the whole original message beneath. Thank you. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyKgpDnkJKuSnc2gEQLOuACgqUJ0pHT8d+iWFzxhU9DIZNblERkAoPCd xknOOsmXNPe/B+ezg9CXFTBs =5yt4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading
Hello Greg, No. I don't read every thread in TB lists, What do you mean you don't read every thread !?!? Ctrl+Shift+M Ctrl+Shit+OntheM? Now that's not too nice of you ;-) IIRC correctly you do not read all messages. :-) Can't reply because I didn't read your message :-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.62i Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mass Exporting Messages
Hello Greg, On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 5:15:00 PM you [GS] wrote (at least in part): MT Is there a way of doing a mass export of messages to MSG format, MT only from certain folders? No. GS TMK Correct on direct method, but I've used an indirect method in the GS past for exporting messages from multiple folders. [Copying of all messages to temporary folder] Quite more easy should be making use of CLI The Bat! offers: C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /EXPORTU=Account;F=Folder1;D=C:\Exports C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /EXPORTU=Account;F=Folder2;D=C:\Exports C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /EXPORTU=Account;F=Folder3;D=C:\Exports C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /EXPORTU=Account;F=Folder4;D=C:\Exports put into a batch file will export Folder1 to Folder4 from account Account to C:\Exports in .MSG format. Changing C:\Exports to e.g. C:\Exports\foobar.mbx and appending ';UNIX' (w/o single quotes) to the command line will export the four folders into one UNIX-MBox file. So: no click and point operation, but a solvable task. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) This tagline is password protected. To view type Ctrl-Alt-Del Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mass Exporting Messages
Hello Peter, Quite more easy should be making use of CLI The Bat! offers: Thanks! Good to know. snipped So: no click and point operation, but a solvable task. Are all command line parameters for TheBat.exe documented in help under Advanced usage topics | Command line parameters? -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SMTP authentication difficulty in The Bat
Hello Johannes, On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 2:47:24 PM you [JP] wrote (at least in part): As it seems the server does expect end enforce the parameter passing method when AUTH=PLAIN is used. To sum it up: it's a stupid server and I wouldn't really care as at least AUTH=LOGIN works. JP We notice this on Exim, both 3.x and 4.x, together with Outlook JP Express clients. So I'd rather go for stupid client ;-) W/o context I'd instantly agree on Lookout Quickly being stupid clients :-) Nevertheless I may quote from RFC-2554: ,- [ http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2554.txt ] | 4. The AUTH command | |AUTH mechanism [initial-response] | | Arguments: | a string identifying a SASL authentication mechanism. | an optional base64-encoded response | [...] | Discussion: | [...] | The authentication protocol exchange consists of a series of | server challenges and client answers that are specific to the | authentication mechanism. [...] | | The optional initial-response argument to the AUTH command is | used to save a round trip when using authentication mechanisms | that are defined to send no data in the initial challenge. | When the initial-response argument is used with such a | mechanism, the initial empty challenge is not sent to the | client and the server uses the data in the initial-response | argument as if it were sent in response to the empty challenge. `- Therefore I call every implementation _ENFORCING_ '[initial-response]' buggy and stupid :-) If this applies to Exim I'm sorry, but it doesn't make it better :-) N.B.: I'd prefer if TB! would try to make use of 'initial-response' itself, as this /can/ speed up communication. But as AUTH in general is working it'd call it a *very* minor priority issue :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) Winners at the card party were William Davenport, a turkey, and Mrs. Trudy Baker, a chicken. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thebat! only used by spammers?
It's a real client, but it seems like nobody other than spammers use (or forge) it. Rather insulting. But that aside, do send them this link: http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/spammer.html -- Ravi (http://shell-shocked.org) If your parents didn't have children, you probably won't either.. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mass Exporting Messages
Hello Greg, On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 6:41:50 PM you [GS] wrote (at least in part): GS Are all command line parameters for TheBat.exe documented in help GS under Advanced usage topics | Command line parameters? Don't know, don't have a current English help file here. I'm using the (much better, btw) German help file, that lists all (at least I haven't missed one yet) of them. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) Seen on a tombstone: I told you I was sick! Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
QT woes
Good evening list, I just created anther account. At the moment i only need 1 QT (a reply QT). I copied and pasted an existing one and altered that. But it refuses to kick in: if i set it up at account level: nothing if i set it up at folder level: nothing AB is still empty so no need at the moment. Strange thing is, when i don't set it and just hit F4 and then menu Utilities - insert Quick Template, it works just fine. What am i missing? -- Best regards, Luc Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. A business whose only goal is profit is a poor kind of business. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: test message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF I have another idea: Let TB recognise - -- as a sig delimiter. TF AAMOF, I think this worked in an earlier version. It does recognise it, but: - -- and not - -- If you sign with the plugin, you get the unrecognised delimiter. If you sign with PGP Tray, you get the recognized version. :( - -- -= allie_M =- | List Moderator _ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQA/AwUBPyK5t1fJ62ArBxfiEQK/aQCfcNTXto2GqaHk4HnMZ2CzqCQD5Q4An1Vo cgRr7ntSLy49PbTfLv5PltYe =/Hor -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TheBat Help file
Hello Peter, GS Are all command line parameters for TheBat.exe documented in help GS under Advanced usage topics | Command line parameters? Don't know, don't have a current English help file here. I'm using the (much better, btw) German help file, that lists all (at least I haven't missed one yet) of them. H, interesting comment. I've seen comments with regard to the help file. These comments do not shed a positive light on the help file. Now I don't know what the origin to these statements. I may start a debate here, but I think it could be constructive. Why do you state the German help file is much better when you don't have one? Have you made comparisons in the past? Anyway my point is not to single your comment out, but to raise an issue with regard to the help file. If certain language versions of the help file are better than others, than are some of the negative comments in the past about the help file due to the language conversion, or what? Is the help file written for an experienced computer user where negative comments originate from less experienced users? When/If V2 implements HTML email what level of computer expertise will the target customer base be for v2 of TB? If target customer of V2 of TB is much broader than in the past, than does this require a re-write of the help file to be more in-line with the target customer? When you made the comment on the help file and since there has been recent discussions on V2 in TBBETA, I thought it appropriate to respond to the potential issue of the help file. -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Partition Magic (was: transplanting BAT)
Hello Peter, I'm not an expert but have had some experience with Partition Magic (older version) and it really isn't worth it. Like you I liked to partition my physical drives and for good reasons (keep swap file all by itself, keep O/S, programs and data separate, etc). One possible reason the dealer recommends against partitioning is, that in the days of FAT16 partitions, partinioning was popular to minimize the ungodly amount of slack that FAT16 partitions generated. With NTFS, you have some overhead but no slack or very little to speak of. The dealer may feel there is no longer any advantage to partitioning (hey may not be aware that NTFS had been available before Win2000). Give some thought to investing in a second physical drive, doesn't have to be just as large as your current one, and investing in Norton Ghost. For one thing, you'll have the fastest and most reliable backups of your current partitions (Norton Ghost takes a little bit of learning to use it right, but it works great). At the very least you should be able to restore your partitions very quickly if/when you mess something up and it frees you to experiment a little more. hth On Saturday, July 26, 2003, 9:06:40 AM, you wrote: PK Now with the Win2K the dealer suggested not to partition, but did not PK explain why. I looked around and found basically 2 partition programs PK the Partition Magic I used in the past, and another from Paragon: PK Partition Manager. Neither is a shareware (only fully crippled demo-s PK are available for download), the latter is somewhat cheaper than the former. PK Martin Webster appears to be against partitioning, but I am not sure PK is this against using Partition Magic or any partitioning? PK Any expert or experienced users recommendation is welcomed before I PK mess up the new computer. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Partition Magic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rafi, @26-Jul-2003, 13:12 -0500 (19:12 UK time) Rafi Avital [RA] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter: RA I'm not an expert but have had some experience with Partition RA Magic (older version) and it really isn't worth it. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Rafi. Coo! Loads of top posting!!! On a off-topic post too. This makes the third moderator's interruption on the topic of top posting in one day! Okay. Stock lecture time folks. ** Stock essay about top posting. ** Top posting means that you put the cursor at the top of a reply and type everything you want to say there. Top posted replies make messages harder to read than they should be. When you are having a private conversation and you know what you're saying to an individual top posting has a certain validity (I still don't do it - I don't find it at all pleasant to read that way, but this isn't about my personal preferences). When you are in an environment where many readers and many topics are present at once, you force everyone to read your reply text (because it's at the top, it's seen first), think to themselves What's that about then?, scroll down to read the quotes for context, think Oh, I see... now I know what it's about, does that change anything in what I read first?, and scroll back up to read what you wrote in the light of improved context. It's much easier for the writer, yes. But email should be designed for the reader. A great example of the effect of top posting is: ___ Terrible How does it smell? My dog has no nose. ¯¯¯ This does not make easier reading at all. Any reply works better broken down conversationally: ___ Someone makes this point.. (snipped) A reply is made with this response. A point made two messages back (snipped) and this was said to make someone think Which leads to this summary. ¯¯¯ Only contextually relevant text remains. It is easy to read and follow the conversation without having to scroll up and down or think too hard or read more than once. Also, since the text is trimmed to the bare bones to facilitate the conversation, there's no worry about excess or untrimmed quotes. /moderator - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBPyLI2TnkJKuSnc2gEQJz4wCfXv+kRfMB7WT+/a93IiiGKtaKRccAn1xX gYrgBuGuswy3m0cltBI67B3E =sUdG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Help file
Hello Greg, On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 7:29:59 PM you [GS] wrote (at least in part): GS Are all command line parameters for TheBat.exe documented in help GS under Advanced usage topics | Command line parameters? Don't know, don't have a current English help file here. I'm using the (much better, btw) German help file, that lists all (at least I haven't missed one yet) of them. GS H, interesting comment. I've seen comments with regard to the help GS file. These comments do not shed a positive light on the help file. Now GS I don't know what the origin to these statements. I may start a debate GS here, but I think it could be constructive. GS Why do you state the German help file is much better when you don't have GS one? OK, my comment was misleading. GS Have you made comparisons in the past? Yes. That's what I was referring to. And as I haven't recently seen any announcement of a new, better, completer help file being distributed and nobody on TBUDL, TBOT or TBBETA wrote Hey, I've found a new help file version I assumed it's still the same file that's in the (complete installer) archive. And compared to the English .hlp file the German help file developed by the former German distributor and just revamped a few weeks ago is _much better_. Much more complete and available in .CHM format for _much easier_ navigation too. GS Anyway my point is not to single your comment out, but to raise an issue GS with regard to the help file. If certain language versions of the help GS file are better than others, than are some of the negative comments in GS the past about the help file due to the language conversion, or what? I guess you're right with this assumption. At least the German help file Dieter Hummel maintained I never heard any negative comments about. GS Is the help file written for an experienced computer user where negative GS comments originate from less experienced users? It simply was incomplete in the whole and incomplete in dealing with the topics in the past ... compared to the German one I use. That's no devaluation of the work put into it; it's only a statement somebody else made a better one. I for myself only need the help file as a reference manual, therefore I'm not the right one to really decide if the English .hlp file is bad. I only see the German is more complete and therefore better from my PoV :-) GS If target customer of V2 of TB is much broader than in the past, than GS does this require a re-write of the help file to be more in-line with GS the target customer? If no new has been written in the last 6 months a re-write is necessary in any case. Too much new features and functions. Change of menu structure, etc ... GS When you made the comment on the help file and since there has been GS recent discussions on V2 in TBBETA, I thought it appropriate to respond GS to the potential issue of the help file. So maybe you should post a request about a rewritten help file on TBBETA too, for Stefan, Max or whoever being able to read and respond? -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1) Biggest security gap - an open mouth. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I copy views?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Good [morning|afternoon|day|evening|night] Steve, SMS I have my TBUDL folder customized exactly the way I want it SMS meaning the order of columns, column width, etc... Can I somehow SMS copy this view to my other mailing list folders? You can set a folder to use account's default column settings. If you change column layout/sorting of any folder with such setting, default column settings will change accordingly... It is also planned to make it possible to define various views (based on combination of the settings from the View menu) and switch between them quickly... - -- All the Best! Stefan ...If you're not confused, you're not paying attention. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyMOChdVrmjoEBv9AQEmBg/+LswmGogq6Sg/aGexeKJWedJqRmarmG5S WE+72zk6dTqyifIsoRAYFOFMfmIdG5sFDdb4ujuqq5wh7eyryjEd256ALHB5C4TQ Qshwl7d3I3wzy9ZDE+Nu+ee52AfASQ9KtTvgzRUB68BT2WFa5/WtQNxJrG/0wfr4 4nLKbP6LeNC41O1HRR/vVlGjzNusyZns3M2b32juf591GLXcBnAwZos5YhyhrV+v 8JmsSqUwSedjxfidDreYOnF6TByoBkaoY7AWdFKD9hYshjc+p5tvygXObO7y+g7W PgsIg+yiUYt6K8jX5RunUx6EaH7iDgjZy0Zn2IwDDUM1cN5PyxNXKBzmNmsSTQAf ym8GHsqHqzX04kA3IjiLj0ywF0cOwyCMRJV7b0jOpXWCBkeN9iDdDvdsPL7EGaV0 tECgt7i1ijECXVN8YoRvvgk57Zv05g+xKSTeBrBFckA/yWgmgM0e+ZMQcrX+mBjA p6qFekh6h9S3vAbr/Jr9Cdr4J2wdaVpqbW32DP9IzLSSvfls2t8E3tL4OKH0Idod n6bZt11sRugM8qiNOWLTCC/3EoTOJqrioo2SukrLmyhtF6GgqYYQ/gSphHon6Lar xkAkTg5ZwVqqW/kp4LNBJLmkh4108WBT1YrTjGb1/L/AcKfc1Vk6EOmUiuiQOWxv xQnkPGKXjDg= =C9l+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Luc, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 19:27:29 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 00:27 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: if i set it up at account level: nothing if i set it up at folder level: nothing Strange thing is, when i don't set it and just hit F4 and then menu Utilities - insert Quick Template, it works just fine. What am i missing? The one you pasted and altered probably has the same handle as the other one. Rename it and see whether it works now. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Salmon day: Swimming upstream all day to get screwed in the end. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat Help file
Hello Peter, On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 21:16:20 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 02:16 +0700 GMT), Peter Palmreuther wrote: GS Anyway my point is not to single your comment out, but to raise an issue GS with regard to the help file. If certain language versions of the help GS file are better than others, than are some of the negative comments in GS the past about the help file due to the language conversion, or what? I guess you're right with this assumption. At least the German help file Dieter Hummel maintained I never heard any negative comments about. CMIIW but Dieter didn't translate the English help file but wrote a new one. So this is not about language conversion. A long time ago, someone suggested to translate the German help file into English. ;-) However, this would have to be discussed with Dieter first, for copyright issues. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I like to sing to the songs on the radio in my car. When you go into a tunnel, it's hard to come out on the right note. Actually, the news is more difficult. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Thomas, It was foretold that on 27-7-2003 @ 07:25:10 GMT+0700 (which was 2:25:10 where I live) Thomas Fernandez would mumble: TF The one you pasted and altered probably has the same handle as the TF other one. Rename it and see whether it works now. Nope, different handles. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. EGOTIST: A manwho is always me deep in conversation. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP?
Hello, sorry if this has been asked before: I discovered that my mail provider GMX provides IMAP4 access too. I have configured a new account with setting imap.gmx.de for incoming mail. But ... where's the difference to pop3? The Bat still downloads all my mail, and with the mail dispatcher I still only see my inbox and no other folder. For comparison I also set up my IMAP account with OE6, and it let me download a list of folders, all of whom I can now access without downloading my mails. I guess the Bat still does not fully support the IMAP protocol. Or did I miss something important? The help file is no big help in this. Take care, Andreas -- My homepage: www.andreas-schwartmann.de | ICQ#: 23060752 PGP 8.0 key: www.andreas-schwartmann.de/pgpring.asc - Mailed with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 - You can hide `neath your covers and study your pain Make crosses from your lovers, throw roses in the rain. - B. Springsteen Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
I guess the Bat still does not fully support the IMAP protocol. Or did I miss something important? Nope, not yet. Look out for version 2 though. It's supposed to have proper IMAP support. -- Ravi (http://shell-shocked.org) Friends may come and go, but enemies accumulate. - Tom Jones. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Luc, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:46:40 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 07:46 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: TF The one you pasted and altered probably has the same handle as the TF other one. Rename it and see whether it works now. Nope, different handles. How did you invoke the QT in the first place? From within a macro, or by crtl-shift? I will assume you have double-checked and had no typing mistakes. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Auf Tiramisu von Tesco`s (auf die Unterseite aufgedruckt): Nicht umdrehen. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP?
Hello Andreas, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:43:09 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 07:43 +0700 GMT), Andreas Schwartmann wrote: I discovered that my mail provider GMX provides IMAP4 access too. I have configured a new account with setting imap.gmx.de for incoming mail. But ... where's the difference to pop3? The Bat still downloads all my mail, and with the mail dispatcher I still only see my inbox and no other folder. When they started their IMAP server, they advised that it works with OL/OE and Netscape Mail (IIRC). They said support for other clients will follow shortly. I don't have that GMX Info any more, so I cannot look up the details. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Thursday night - pot luck supper. Prayer and medication to follow. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi Bill, BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard? I've BM looked around and don't see a way. Press the Enter when you are in the address field and the field is empty. When the field is not empty, press Shift Enter (it's working in either case, actually). Hmmm. Now I'm wondering why Enter cannot be used... :-) - -- Sincerely, Stefan ...Whatever you did, that's what you planned. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.2 iQIVAwUBPyMwyhdVrmjoEBv9AQG64Q//VajIrtuYoimikAPw6xIA9tscYYrcI76j H//Hr+YaYfOhXwhpd+id4zchq5icWmwbIMzLQYoeyrK4lefkwtgUnIxYTKuv489e U9NSM9dktKecIwDNpLe703yiXD0La7RqScj+bZZ+Cw1qNyTzyw2sQPpaRH34MdWc gis6ysc5Dzn9RXVy28yj6eGqcFnMPb4WUJFibRXUrRHzmstBTGhbNEKM1lWh585z dgAyky8ZEX0FWOiklSGGfUj8PDC59N1ZVrDIS4uEpJnjFUjTQR3kivewC9ozwSuZ 55Wb62tIiy62c8t4bGn3NpLSQDsL4XCcFdpB7/Ra56u9JrI4r05fdPoBc1wH2C9E RBB58psd+VhF3h6a8T8KwXDjqpFLJ8+iS4mvob0ZdUiQuztior8ogZdoOxT4KKAz +MbCkbAnB5uCVJYFMSZ9QDMbCZs6uHEJI/vbvwP+QQEA96bkTLmvjWTbGkI5Vqx0 8MTwYXLkiYPLVov7Okj+JpQRvzfBc2z5sd7Vbni/vZFfdOKBXNdIRtA2aqLFPXdu kzc3IRN8O1Lq5tH4gqtrRxDb3gbmDFAZLgdLr8ZPC2f6mkY7F8xgh3/bKTYx+aal IMakod5h5MKoXSiL1A8+Z3gojNuogQZCh3XiXX0s97CxXQF5L7xDAd/5FJWNblja wLCDlbvqW2Q= =iG8P -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Good morning Thomas, It was foretold that on 27-7-2003 @ 08:12:25 GMT+0700 (which was 3:12:25 where I live) Thomas Fernandez would mumble: snipped a bit TF How did you invoke the QT in the first place? From within a macro, or TF by crtl-shift? Using the %Qinclude macro. TF I will assume you have double-checked and had no typing TF mistakes. Yes, double checked and double checked again. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.63 Beta/7 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. It is a fine thing to have ability, but the ability to discoverability in others is the true test. - Elbert Hubbard Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: QT woes
Hello Luc, On Sun, 27 Jul 2003 05:03:16 +0200 GMT (27/07/03, 10:03 +0700 GMT), Luc wrote: TF How did you invoke the QT in the first place? From within a macro, or TF by crtl-shift? Using the %Qinclude macro. Is it in the same account as the template, or is it a sharted QT? I'm starting to guess, I have no real idea at the moment what could be the culprit. TF I will assume you have double-checked and had no typing TF mistakes. Yes, double checked and double checked again. Well, rename it again and then use the renamed handle. Just because there could be an invisible character in there. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Hairdressing while you wait. (Seen at a Dublin hairdresser's) Message reply created with The Bat! 1.63 Beta/5 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Coloring in the message list
I would like to know if it is possible to color the message title in the message-list pane, conditionally on the presence of a string in the body of the message. My objective: Color the title (in the message-list pane) of any encrypted message. I can enter something like --BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-- as the string to look for, but the only place in TB! where I can specify an action on such a condition is in the Sorting office when defining a new filter. I don't want to filter or move the message anywhere, I just want the title to be a different color, and the Color Groups option don't depend on the contents of a particular field. Any ideas? Many thanks. Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
