Access Violation
Hello TB User Discussion List, I sent myself a URL to print at a remote location. Clicking on the URL with Outlook worked fine. Clicking with TB! produced this message: Access violation at address 39636A78. Read of address 39636A78. After that message, the hour glass was permanently on in TB! until I closed TB!. Here's one of the offending URLs: http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=rev2ct=NAmo=maun=mgo=11initsrch=01sbx=32initsrch=01a=101%20Bowie%20St1c=San%20Antonio1pl=210%2d223%2d10001pn=San%20Antonio%20Marriott%20Rivercntr1g=Tn1zyxa7mzg%3d2a=3600%20Presidential%20Blvd2tabval=search1l=SqJ4m4F4Fok%3d2c=Austincl=EN2g=NNSn1EzZZJY%3d1s=TX2pl=512%2d530%2d22422l=CKdSu7ZCltg%3dct=NA1v=ADDRESS2sbx=01ct=NA2pn=Austin%2dBergstrom%20Intl%20Airport%20%28AUS%291y=US1tabval=search1z=782052s=TX2v=ADDRESSdid=10870941312y=US2z=78719 -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello All, a eTrust EZ Antivirus real-time protection has found that a C:\DOCUME~1\AVRAM\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat653.tmp is HTML.ObjectDataHTA a dropper . a However, I continue to get warning messages each time I download a e-mail. The message is always the same, except that the number a changes. . TF See above. It is a good idea to exclude the temp folder from AV TF scanning, or at least exclude bat*.tmp files within that folder from TF the real-time scan. I'm not sure that helps (in all cases) It probably depends on the AV but some programs don't just scan the files but the POP3/MAPI data stream. So the AV kick into action even before the virus gets written to disk. So excluding the scanning directory won't help. A 'solution' could be not to scan e-mail at all. The virus will just wait to get activated by Reading the e-mail or something. At that time the other part of your AV should kick in. But I don't like that solution because I want to kill the virus asap. TF Oh, and referring to another thread: This problem doesn't exist with TF plug-ins. That's the other advantage of AV plug-ins for TB. Thread will get mixed up now; but the info in both threads apply to my original question. I can understand the use of a plug-in when using encrypted connections. But I have less positive thoughts about your .bat explanation. I use an AV that outclasses (IMO) many others, including some with plug-ins. And I don't like TB! forcing me to change AV. -- Best regards, Tony An empty stomach is not a good political adviser. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Bill, BM Hello TB User Discussion List, BM I sent myself a URL to print at a remote location. Clicking on the BM URL with Outlook worked fine. Clicking with TB! produced this BM message: BM Access violation at address 39636A78. Read of address 39636A78. BM After that message, the hour glass was permanently on in TB! until I BM closed TB!. BM Here's one of the offending URLs: BM BM http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=rev2ct=NAmo=maun=mgo=11initsrch=01sbx=32initsrch=01a=101%20Bowie%20St1c=San%20Antonio1pl=210%2d223%2d10001pn=San%20Antonio%20Marriott%20Rivercntr1g=Tn1zyxa7mzg%3d2a=3600%20Presidential%20Blvd2tabval=search1l=SqJ4m4F4Fok%3d2c=Austincl=EN2g=NNSn1EzZZJY%3d1s=TX2pl=512%2d530%2d22422l=CKdSu7ZCltg%3dct=NA1v=ADDRESS2sbx=01ct=NA2pn=Austin%2dBergstrom%20Intl%20Airport%20%28AUS%291y=US1tabval=search1z=782052s=TX2v=ADDRESSdid=10870941312y=US2z=78719 The MapQuest url opens fine here... Could it be that the browser the remote location chokes on the URL? -- Best regards, Tony I haven't failed, I've found 10,000 ways that don't work. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Thomas, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 12:35:20 AM, you wrote: I wrote: On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:48:46 a eTrust EZ Antivirus real-time protection has found that a C:\DOCUME~1\AVRAM\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat653.tmp is HTML.ObjectDataHTA a dropper [snip] a However, I continue to get warning messages each time I download a e-mail. The message is always the same, except that the number a changes. TF Of course. As TB hasn't successfully downloaded and imported the mail, TF it will try to do so at every mail check. This will not stop unless TF you delete the message on serever using TB's mail despatcher, or turn TF off your over-eager AV program. If I understand correctly, what happened is that when The Bat attempts to download e-mail, it is first downloaded to the Temp directory. If the message has a virus, then my AV software (My eTrust by Computer Associates) will prevent the e-mail from going into a mail folder. (Assuming, of course, that the signature files for the AV software recognize the virus.) However, the virus-laden message still remains on the server because The Bat would only direct the server to delete the message AFTER the message finds its way into a Bat folder. Because the message was only able to go as far as the Temp subdirectory, The Bat did not instruct the server to delete the offending e-mail. Is this correct. Based on this, and not being familiar with mail despactcher I assumed that I needed to delete a virus-laden message off of the server. So, using webmail, I went out to the server using my web browser and deleted two suspicious messages, both of which had attachments. How do I delete the message on the server using TB's mail despatcher. And, just exactly, what IS TB's mail despatcher (dispatcher?) It would appear that these files are in the Temp subdirectory. Ahhh, but your note gave me an idea. I turned off AV just long enough to highlight and delete the bat*.tmp files. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Bill, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:42:25 -0500 GMT (13/06/2004, 13:42 +0700 GMT), Bill McCarthy wrote: BM Access violation at address 39636A78. Read of address 39636A78. I didn't get an AV, only an error dialog saying that ieexplore.exe couldn't be found. BM After that message, the hour glass was permanently on in TB! until I BM closed TB!. Not here. I acknoledged the error dialog, and TB resumed as usual. BM Here's one of the offending URLs: BM BM http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=rev2ct=NAmo=maun=mgo=11initsrch=01sbx=32initsrch=01a=101%20Bowie%20St1c=San%20Antonio1pl=210%2d223%2d10001pn=San%20Antonio%20Marriott%20Rivercntr1g=Tn1zyxa7mzg%3d2a=3600%20Presidential%20Blvd2tabval=search1l=SqJ4m4F4Fok%3d2c=Austincl=EN2g=NNSn1EzZZJY%3d1s=TX2pl=512%2d530%2d22422l=CKdSu7ZCltg%3dct=NA1v=ADDRESS2sbx=01ct=NA2pn=Austin%2dBergstrom%20Intl%20Airport%20%28AUS%291y=US1tabval=search1z=782052s=TX2v=ADDRESSdid=10870941312y=US2z=78719 I use mapquest a lot, so I just manually went from Bowie St in San Antonio to Presidential Blvd in Austin on the website. I cp'ed the resulting URL into a message in TB, which I sent to myself. I confirm the same error occurs. I believe there is something about mapquest that they don't want people to just cp result URLs. What do you think? Anyway, it shouldn't make TB crash on your side. I am using Windows 98. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Q: How many programmers dose it take to change a lightbulb? A: None...that's a hardware issue. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Tony, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 08:51:39 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 13:51 +0700 GMT), Tony wrote: a eTrust EZ Antivirus real-time protection has found that a C:\DOCUME~1\AVRAM\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat653.tmp is HTML.ObjectDataHTA a dropper TF See above. It is a good idea to exclude the temp folder from AV TF scanning, or at least exclude bat*.tmp files within that folder from TF the real-time scan. T I'm not sure that helps (in all cases) It would help in above case. T It probably depends on the AV but some programs don't just scan the T files but the POP3/MAPI data stream. So the AV kick into action T even before the virus gets written to disk. Not in the above case, and then there wouldn't an a file name. T So excluding the scanning directory won't help. T A 'solution' could be not to scan e-mail at all. That's what I do: not scan emails. T The virus will just wait to get activated by Reading the e-mail or T something. That's only possible with Microsoft products. T At that time the other part of your AV should kick in. The AV should kick in when I ask it. That's how I have set it: It I do want to open an attachment, I ask the doctor (PC-Cillin): Does this file contain a virus? T But I don't like that solution because I want to kill the virus asap. I do that with the del key. T And I don't like TB! forcing me to change AV. It isn't. You only need to adjust your settings to your environment and your desired behaviour. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Avoid cliches like the plague (They're old hat.) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13-Jun-04 1:56am -0500, Tony wrote: The MapQuest url opens fine here... Could it be that the browser the remote location chokes on the URL? Thanks for checking, Tony. Both locations are using I.E. 6. The odd thing is that the failure is occurring on my laptop machine - the one from which I copied the URL from the Address line of an open I.E. page. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13-Jun-04 2:00am -0500, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I use mapquest a lot, so I just manually went from Bowie St in San Antonio to Presidential Blvd in Austin on the website. I cp'ed the resulting URL into a message in TB, which I sent to myself. I confirm the same error occurs. I believe there is something about mapquest that they don't want people to just cp result URLs. What do you think? Anyway, it shouldn't make TB crash on your side. I am using Windows 98. Actually, upon trying again, I was able to get rid of the hour glass by clicking on another folder. It didn't cause TB! to crash. I sent 3 such addresses in an email to my office. At the office, I opened the email and click on all 3 without a problem in Outlook. Clicking on any of those 3 with TB! causes an AV. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Avrim, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:06:09 -0500 GMT (13/06/2004, 14:06 +0700 GMT), achdut wrote: a If I understand correctly, [...] Is this correct. Yes, perfectly. a How do I delete the message on the server using TB's mail despatcher. a And, just exactly, what IS TB's mail despatcher (dispatcher?) It's a utility with which you can manage mails on the (POP) server: Account / Despatch Mail on Server / All messages. a It would appear that these files are in the Temp subdirectory. The despatcher shows you the mails on the server, before they even get to the temp directory. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Finally 21, and Legally Able to Do Everything I've Been Doing Since 15. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Thomas, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 2:11:14 AM, you wrote: a And, just exactly, what IS TB's mail despatcher (dispatcher?) TF It's a utility with which you can manage mails on the (POP) server: TF Account / Despatch Mail on Server / All messages. a It would appear that these files are in the Temp subdirectory. TF The despatcher shows you the mails on the server, before they even TF get to the temp directory. If I use this utility, will I be able to identify which messages to delete, or will it automatically delete all of them before I get a chance to say yes or no? -- Avram Avram Sacks Chicago, Il using The Bat ver. 1.62r on Win XP Pro Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
Hello Michael Thank you for your email dated Saturday, June 12, 2004, 9:01:06 PM, in which you wrote: I use NOD32 with TB! and I do not use a plugin, and EVERY virus that comes my way is caught. I have NEVER had problem. Same here. At the risk of sounding repetitive, plugins (to any software) just increase the chances of things going wrong for very little (if any) benefit. They do ensure the survival of mailing lists, however ;-) -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
Hello Simon Thank you for your email dated Saturday, June 12, 2004, 9:26:48 PM, in which you wrote: NOD32 can only deal with POP3 or MAPI through it's IMON / EMON scanners. Since IMON is email client independent and works at the winsock level doesn't it catch any incoming message? -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Thomas, . T At that time the other part of your AV should kick in. TF The AV should kick in when I ask it. That's how I have set it: It I do TF want to open an attachment, I ask the doctor (PC-Cillin): Does this TF file contain a virus? I *will* forget to ask the doctor for sure :( That's why I have set everything to automatic. T But I don't like that solution because I want to kill the virus asap. TF I do that with the del key. But only after you started reading your incoming mail. As you said there is no problem opening a virus mail on a non MS client. I'm on other high volume lists where a large percentage uses Outlook (express) All people with good intentions. But sometimes a virus pops up. The sender just forwarded an infected mail to the list. I know it's a 'that happens once in a lifetime' example. My point is just that IMO it the duty of every Internet user is to stop spreading viruses the best s/he can. Even if her/his own system is immune to it. T And I don't like TB! forcing me to change AV. TF It isn't. You only need to adjust your settings to your environment TF and your desired behaviour. -- Best regards, Tony Why the sun lightens our hair, but darkens our skin? Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Thomas Thank you for your email dated Sunday, June 13, 2004, 6:35:20 AM, in which you wrote: Oh, and referring to another thread: This problem doesn't exist with plug-ins. That's the other advantage of AV plug-ins for TB. I don't have this problem using NOD32 independently. It flags an incoming virus-laden message, I delete it, end of story. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hi William, On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 12:52:08 AM PST, you wrote: I don't have this problem using NOD32 independently. It flags an incoming virus-laden message, I delete it, end of story. I've been using NOD32 for a few years now (since v1.x), and I really like the way v2 is working (no more need to configure that old POP3 scanner module). I don't use a TB! plug-in, and messages aren't repeatedly downloaded to the temp folder. Once I delete an infected message at the point NOD32 detects it (during new message download), I delete it, and never hear from it again. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpRY7VoaXV6k.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Bill, BM On Sun 13-Jun-04 1:56am -0500, Tony wrote: The MapQuest url opens fine here... Could it be that the browser the remote location chokes on the URL? BM Thanks for checking, Tony. Both locations are using I.E. 6. The odd BM thing is that the failure is occurring on my laptop machine - the one BM from which I copied the URL from the Address line of an open I.E. BM page. So you browsed the site on your laptop. Saved the url. And then get a crash when you open the same url on the same laptop? I hope I got that right :P Maybe a cookie problem. But I think not. Does it matter how you configure TB! for viewing e-mail? I mean the HTML/text only settings. I assume TB! uses MSIE' engine to render the pages; so maybe that conficts..? -- Best regards, Tony Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Melissa, MR Hi William, MR On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 12:52:08 AM PST, you wrote: I don't have this problem using NOD32 independently. It flags an incoming virus-laden message, I delete it, end of story. MR I've been using NOD32 for a few years now (since v1.x), and I really MR like the way v2 is working (no more need to configure that old POP3 MR scanner module). I don't use a TB! plug-in, and messages aren't MR repeatedly downloaded to the temp folder. Once I delete an infected MR message at the point NOD32 detects it (during new message download), I MR delete it, and never hear from it again. :-) Good news! I'm a NOD32 supporter myself. Melissa watch out for NOD32! You are in it's virus base :D -- Best regards, Tony Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
Hello William, WM Hello Simon WM Thank you for your email dated Saturday, June 12, 2004, 9:26:48 PM, WM in which you wrote: NOD32 can only deal with POP3 or MAPI through it's IMON / EMON scanners. WM Since IMON is email client independent and works at the winsock level WM doesn't it catch any incoming message? No. It just doesn't understand other protocols. If all e-mail traffic was the same Esset didn't need to update NOD32 from POP3 only to POP3/MAPI -- Best regards, Tony The hardest thing to understand in the world is the income tax. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hi Tony, On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 12:54:48 AM PST, you wrote: I assume TB! uses MSIE' engine to render the pages; so maybe that conficts..? Eek! Please don't assume such a horrible thing! :-) One of TB!'s many strengths is that it uses its own HTML rendering engine. This is why it's not vulnerable to web bugs and other little nasties that might be embedded in HTML. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp3nfKa9rbY3.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading across folders
Hello rich, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 8:53:40 AM, you wrote: C BeginFilter C Name: Outgoing C Active: 1 C Source: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C Target: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C CopyFolder: none C MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] C Actions: C AddGroups: rg ... snip ... C SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 C AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 C EndFilter rg (I am sure I speak for the newer members when I say) I would love for rg somebody to write a tutor on what each line (and the values in each) rg in an exported filter could mean! I would learn a lot. /You talkin' 'bout me?/ Exactly. WTH does it do? I assume it does what you (or rather, I) said it does, but I can't for the life of me deduce that from the script given. Furthermore, do I cut and paste this somewhere and click OK? :). -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Melissa, MR Hi Tony, MR On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 12:54:48 AM PST, you wrote: I assume TB! uses MSIE' engine to render the pages; so maybe that conficts..? MR Eek! Please don't assume such a horrible thing! :-) One of TB!'s many MR strengths is that it uses its own HTML rendering engine. This is why MR it's not vulnerable to web bugs and other little nasties that might MR be embedded in HTML. Damn! Exposed as a newbie again... :) It makes me wonder why TB! doesn't fully render HTML then. I mean the HTML with little red crosses where pictures should be. I remember something written about this somewhere. (not sure where) It was partly security related. But if TB! renders it's pages with it's own engine I see no danger fetching the pics online. Many non-spam newsletters come in HTML format nowadays -- Best regards, Tony If flying is so safe, why do they call the airport the terminal? Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hallo Bill, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 01:42:25 -0500GMT (13-6-2004, 8:42 +0200, where I live), you wrote: BM I sent myself a URL to print at a remote location. Clicking on the BM URL with Outlook worked fine. Clicking with TB! produced this BM message: BM Access violation at address 39636A78. Read of address 39636A78. No problem whatsoever on this side. Using TB 2.11 under Win XP with the latest fixes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hallo Tony, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:02:28 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 11:02 +0200, where I live), you wrote: T Damn! Exposed as a newbie again... :) Don't worry, that'll pass over the years. T It makes me wonder why TB! doesn't fully render HTML then. T I mean the HTML with little red crosses where pictures should be. Generally that's because the pictures aren't sent with the message. TB only shows attached pictures. T I remember something written about this somewhere. (not sure where) T It was partly security related. But if TB! renders it's pages with T it's own engine I see no danger fetching the pics online. It's rather unpleasant when you're using a dial-up connection to have your mail client dialing out while the only thing you want to do is reading locally stored messages. It's a security risk. When you're using a browser you set your permissions and restrictions accordingly to what you want. But when you're using a mail client, you set restrictions a bit differently because of the difference between used protocols. Now when your mail client starts behaving like a browser On-line pictures can be used to check whether you're reading your mail (display the linked picture on screen) or not. That's a privacy issue. Apart from that, even though TB doesn't use IE for HTML rendering, it doesn't mean that its HTML rendering engine is bug free. It's those bugs that are additional safety risks. Restricting TB to embedded HTML without opening any links to the evil bad world outside of your computer is the best safety precaution. The final point, TB enables you to open the message in IE (or whatever browser you're using), so you can see on-line pictures. But because you didn't see them in TB, you're aware of them being on-line and thus you know that there might be some safety issues. T Many non-spam newsletters come in HTML format nowadays Though they come in HTML that doesn't mean they have to point to on-line pictures. On-line pictures are a terrible waste of bandwidth. Suppose that every message is read (viewed) twice. That's not unreasonable for an average. Embedded pictures have to be downloaded once and on-line pictures have to be downloaded twice (causing traffic for both the sender and the recipient). Therefore it's rather shortsighted for a sender to use on-line pictures. Considering that most of those senders have qualified IT employees, you might expect them to use embedded pictures, unless they're having other intentions and then TB's behaviour is no more than prudent. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spell checker dictionaries
Hallo Charles, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:18:37 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 2:18 +0200, where I live), you wrote: C Australian English, Catalan, Czech, French Canadian, Norwegian (Nynorsk) C Dutch, Polish, Russian, Hungarian RO Try to find an older international pack. Somehow Dutch didn't get RO included in the latest, but it was available in older versions. This RO statement might be valid for other languages too. CMG Can you sent it to me, the Dutch spelling checker? Alvast bedankt. Not necessary anymore. My message was dated when I sent it. ;-) Per the eighth of June the Dutch spelling checker is included again in the international pack at the ritlabs site: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/intpack.msi I had just installed TB on this pc (a new one) with the latest downloads on the fourth of June, so I thought it was a safe assumption that I was up to date for a week or two. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Roelof, . T It makes me wonder why TB! doesn't fully render HTML then. T I mean the HTML with little red crosses where pictures should be. RO Generally that's because the pictures aren't sent with the message. TB RO only shows attached pictures. T I remember something written about this somewhere. (not sure where) T It was partly security related. But if TB! renders it's pages with T it's own engine I see no danger fetching the pics online. RO It's rather unpleasant when you're using a dial-up connection to have RO your mail client dialing out while the only thing you want to do is RO reading locally stored messages. Many people are on always-on connections nowadays so I think it should at least be an option. TB! could even cache the pictures even before the user opens the message RO . Now when your mail RO client starts behaving like a browser RO On-line pictures can be used to check whether you're reading your mail RO (display the linked picture on screen) or not. That's a privacy issue. Now you are mainly talking about spam I think? I tackle spam by other means. And I have my reason to believe that they don't bother checking who clicks. RO Apart from that, even though TB doesn't use IE for HTML rendering, it RO doesn't mean that its HTML rendering engine is bug free. It's those RO bugs that are additional safety risks. If you mean java kinda stuff yes I agree. But I think it's far less the case for the more 'classic' HTML And I'm looking for the basic HTML rendering. RO Restricting TB to embedded HTML RO without opening any links to the evil bad world outside of your RO computer is the best safety precaution. Safety/userfriendlyness is always a tradeoff. Optional is the keyword I guess. Blocking java(script) goes a long way in security RO The final point, TB enables you to open the message in IE (or whatever RO browser you're using), so you can see on-line pictures. But because RO you didn't see them in TB, you're aware of them being on-line and thus RO you know that there might be some safety issues. Understood. Unfortunately none of them open in my browser. The browser opens but the URL field stays empty; so nothing loads. Saving the HTML to file 1st does work. But is not very elegant. T Many non-spam newsletters come in HTML format nowadays RO Though they come in HTML that doesn't mean they have to point to RO on-line pictures. On-line pictures are a terrible waste of bandwidth. RO Suppose that every message is read (viewed) twice. That's not RO unreasonable for an average. Embedded pictures have to be downloaded RO once and on-line pictures have to be downloaded twice (causing traffic RO for both the sender and the recipient). But very often the pictures stay in the browser cache between views. RO Therefore it's rather shortsighted for a sender to use on-line RO pictures. Considering that most of those senders have qualified IT RO employees, you might expect them to use embedded pictures, unless RO they're having other intentions and then TB's behaviour is no more RO than prudent. Qualified IT employees Breek me de bek niet open :) Nowadays that very often means press an install button. Check if it works in MS Outlook/MSIE. Yes? Great. Afterall the only browser is MSIE and noone uses anything else then Outlook. It all boils down to standards/netiquette. Unfortunately they get broken very often. Then teh user has to decide; stick to standards and missout on large part of internet or follow the flow -- Best regards, Tony Perfection of means and confusion of ends seem to characterize our age Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello achdut, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:29:44 -0500 GMT (13/06/2004, 14:29 +0700 GMT), achdut wrote: TF The despatcher shows you the mails on the server, before they even TF get to the temp directory. a If I use this utility, will I be able to identify which messages to a delete, or will it automatically delete all of them before I get a a chance to say yes or no? You have full control. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bureaucrats do not change the course of the ship of state. They merely adjust the compass. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mark as intresting/irritating
Hi Jan, on Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:04:45 -0400GMT, you wrote: PM [PPro script to ignore/watch threads or users] JR I use PP. Where can I d/l this wonderful sounding script? Have a look at www.rancho-k.com -- Cheers Peter When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Tony, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:10:24 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 17:10 +0700 GMT), Tony wrote: T Many people are on always-on connections nowadays What makes you say that? I know *nobody* who is always on at home over here, and only *some companies* who can afford to. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. BALDERDASH: Rapidly receding hairline Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Tony, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:41:02 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 14:41 +0700 GMT), Tony wrote: TF The AV should kick in when I ask it. That's how I have set it: It I do TF want to open an attachment, I ask the doctor (PC-Cillin): Does this TF file contain a virus? T I *will* forget to ask the doctor for sure :( T That's why I have set everything to automatic. Then don't complain about it nanny-ing you, or alternatively download the mind-reading plug-in. T But I don't like that solution because I want to kill the virus asap. TF I do that with the del key. T But only after you started reading your incoming mail. I am not vulnerable at that time, because I use TB. T As you said there is no problem opening a virus mail on a non MS T client. That's a simplification. I said that MS-clients have been known to be necessary tools for many viruses to spread. Also, using TB means a virus *cannot* activate upon reading a mail. That's is the reason why my mother insisted on TB and refused to even learn Outlook when she got a POP-account. T I'm on other high volume lists where a large percentage uses Outlook T (express) T All people with good intentions. But sometimes a virus pops up. T The sender just forwarded an infected mail to the list. T I know it's a 'that happens once in a lifetime' example. It happens all the time. On lists where people use MS-products. If they know it and still use OL/OE, I don't know whether it is good intentions, complete and utter ignorance, or punishable offence. T My point is just that IMO it the duty of every Internet user is to stop T spreading viruses the best s/he can. Even if her/his own system is immune T to it. If their system is immune, they won't catch a virus and won't spread it. If it is the duty of every internet user to stop spreading virus, outlaw OE/OL and you have the main problem fixed. Why are we discussing this here, by the way? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Home is where you can say anything you like 'cause nobody listens to you anyway. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Thomas, TF Hello Tony, TF On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 12:10:24 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 17:10 +0700 GMT), TF Tony wrote: T Many people are on always-on connections nowadays TF What makes you say that? I know *nobody* who is always on at home over TF here, and only *some companies* who can afford to. Maybe we are talking about different things? Almost all people I know are on ADSL/SDSL/Cable. Much cheaper then dail-up. ADSL is a booming market here. -- Best regards, Tony Too bad all the people who know how to run this country are busy running taxicabs or cutting hair. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Newbie seeking advice :-)
On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:22 AM, you wrote: - plug ins TF You could ask here: TF http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/category.php?id=6 TF or in the archives. I think I saw a post somewhere recently that give TF a URL on the Ritlabs site that shows a list of pug-ins and where they TF can be downloaded. Cannot find that post any more. the ritlabs download page has all the TB plugins for PGP and dictionaries, and the international pack here: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.11.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Apr2004 (4.1.412) (avast! version number) 0424-3 (11.06.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.412 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Thomas, TF The AV should kick in when I ask it. That's how I have set it: It I do TF want to open an attachment, I ask the doctor (PC-Cillin): Does this TF file contain a virus? T I *will* forget to ask the doctor for sure :( T That's why I have set everything to automatic. TF Then don't complain about it nanny-ing you, or alternatively download TF the mind-reading plug-in. . TF outlaw OE/OL and you have the main problem fixed. Why are we TF discussing this here, by the way? Mmmm, sounds like I somehow touch a sore spot. Better stop this discussion... -- Best regards, Tony Expressing anger is a form of public littering. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
* achdut writes: Hello Thomas, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 2:11:14 AM, you wrote: The despatcher shows you the mails on the server, before they even get to the temp directory. If I use this utility, will I be able to identify which messages to delete, or will it automatically delete all of them before I get a chance to say yes or no? Do you really want to start the dispatcher every time you receive a virus? Why don't you exclude The Bat!'s temporary files from scanning? Carsten -- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Friday, June 11, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote: U I do that using the mouse-wheel, so I have to do a mousy-click U first and then move my hand to the keyboard. So your %Cursor macro should still be above the %Quotes macro, or not? I prefer to have it under. Saves me a little bit of work when I do a short reply like this. -- Urban Bach was the most famous composer in the world and so was Handel. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Tony, [T] wrote: Maybe we are talking about different things? Almost all people I know are on ADSL/SDSL/Cable. Much cheaper then dail-up. ADSL is a booming market here. :) All the people I know around me speak English. I was in Japan a couple years ago and met people from many countries. None spoke English as a first language and many were fascinated to meet me because I spoke English as a first language. Primary English speakers are actually a minority on this planet. Cable/ADSL/SDSL is like that. Depends on where you are. You'll have a different impression of who has and who has none. You're in for a surprise, especially in and around the region where TB! originated. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpFsY0yUOZky.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Tony, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 13:01:33 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 18:01 +0700 GMT), Tony wrote: T Many people are on always-on connections nowadays TF What makes you say that? I know *nobody* who is always on at home over TF here, and only *some companies* who can afford to. T Maybe we are talking about different things? We are talking about different countries. T Almost all people I know are on ADSL/SDSL/Cable. I knew you were talking about broadband. So was I. T Much cheaper then dail-up. ISDN is close to unaffordably expensive. That's why only some companies have it, and certainly no home user. ADSL is in planning, I saw an ad that one company now offers this in certain streets in Bangkok now, and cable is future music - you ask your local ISP's customer service about cable, they wouldn't know what you're talking about and refer you to a TV provider. T ADSL is a booming market here. I saw a newspaper article that the government wants to make broadband affordable. I am not holding my breath. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wenn morgens frueh der Wecker rasselt, ist der schoenste Tag vermasselt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Tony, [T] wrote: Now you are mainly talking about spam I think? I tackle spam by other means. The let them come approach? How about approaching it from a broader POV. If the spammers have less addresses to spam, then they'll likely use less Internet bandwidth sending spam. The bandwidth being used by spammers is staggering. Handing them your address and then filtering as it comes may work for your system, but is not such a good idea for the the wider Internet. It's the same sortof reasoning as the one you gave for viruses. We have a responsibility not only to our systems, but to not send the viruses to other systems. And I have my reason to believe that they don't bother checking who clicks. They do. It's one of their means of finding addresses to add to their golden lists. At times, all that is fetched is a pixel of data. You don't even see it in the message. If you mean java kinda stuff yes I agree. But I think it's far less the case for the more 'classic' HTML And I'm looking for the basic HTML rendering. No. We're speaking of image fetching. Optional is the keyword I guess. Agreed. I'm sure it would be optional if it were worth RIT's while. If TB! were using IE for rendering then it would be a relatively simple thing to block the downloading of images or other remote data. It's a different matter if TB! does it's own rendering and is currently incapable of fetching remote data. More coding would have to be done. More than that needed for blocking. Not to mention the security issues that would have to be embraced and supported. It'd be better to use IE and let MS deal with the renderer security issues. But who wishes to use IE for rendering? That makes IE a requirement for reading HTML mail. Then one may say, make *that* optional so one can choose rendering method (internal vs IE). It's all a mess of debate and not simple. At the moment, each HTML message has an HTML icon in the attachment area. Open that attachment and the message opens in your browser. Understood. Unfortunately none of them open in my browser. The browser opens but the URL field stays empty; so nothing loads. Saving the HTML to file 1st does work. But is not very elegant. Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. It should open and I confirm your problem. Seems like a bug. Can anyone else confirm this. I'll bring it up on TBBETA. It all boils down to standards/netiquette. Unfortunately they get broken very often. Then teh user has to decide; stick to standards and missout on large part of internet or follow the flow We're not really speaking of following or not following a standard anyway. We're speaking of supporting or not supporting the retrieval of remote data in HTML messages. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp1amijpG7UK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Allie, AM Tony, [T] wrote: Maybe we are talking about different things? Almost all people I know are on ADSL/SDSL/Cable. Much cheaper then dail-up. ADSL is a booming market here. AM :) All the people I know around me speak English. AM I was in Japan a couple years ago and met people from many countries. AM None spoke English as a first language and many were fascinated to AM meet me because I spoke English as a first language. Primary English AM speakers are actually a minority on this planet. AM Cable/ADSL/SDSL is like that. Depends on where you are. You'll have a AM different impression of who has and who has none. You're in for a AM surprise, especially in and around the region where TB! originated. :-) Surely things can differ greatly but I get the, maybe wrong impression, that broadband is taking of in a great number of countries. Speeds doubles and prices drop within a year. 5 years ago I was also messing with my 33k3 modem. But now ads for 8mbit connections are everywhere. So that's why I suggested it. As an option of course. But that's the fun part of TB! It's a big toolkit with useful stuff. You take from it what you need. Nothing is forced upon you. -- Best regards, Tony Democracy encourages the majority to decide things about which the majority is ignorant. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: T Much cheaper then dail-up. ISDN is close to unaffordably expensive. Ha! I forgot to mention that part. I pay USD$130/month for my ADSL connection (768/256 Kbps). That is by no means cheap either. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpWN0HXCPOOf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Allie, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 06:58:52 -0500 GMT (13/06/2004, 18:58 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: ISDN is close to unaffordably expensive. AM Ha! I forgot to mention that part. I pay USD$130/month for my ADSL AM connection (768/256 Kbps). That is by no means cheap either. No, not cheap indeedy. It's close to a monthly salary. I think a security guard's salary is in that range. And even I wouldn't be willing to pay that much for internet, even though Bangkok offers ample opportunities to spend that much on a two-person dinner... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Lothar Matthaeus (ehemaliger Nationalspieler) zum Koks-Skandal um Christoph Daum: Wichtig ist, dass er nun eine klare Linie in sein Leben bringt! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Hello Melissa Thank you for your email dated Sunday, June 13, 2004, 8:57:20 AM, in which you wrote: On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 12:52:08 AM PST, you wrote: I don't have this problem using NOD32 independently. It flags an incoming virus-laden message, I delete it, end of story. I've been using NOD32 for a few years now (since v1.x), and I really like the way v2 is working (no more need to configure that old POP3 scanner module). I don't use a TB! plug-in, and messages aren't repeatedly downloaded to the temp folder. Once I delete an infected message at the point NOD32 detects it (during new message download), I delete it, and never hear from it again. :-) Precisely, what could be simpler? :-) It's good to see Eset advertising extensively in the UK now. -- Regards William Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Thomas, . TF We are talking about different countries. I'm from the Netherlands. Quite average if I speak to my Scandinavian friends with their 10 and even 100 mbit home connections. T Almost all people I know are on ADSL/SDSL/Cable. TF I knew you were talking about broadband. So was I. TF ISDN is close to unaffordably expensive. We had and still have ISDN. ISDN is still dialup. So you pay online charges. And that's what drove most people to broadband I guess. Normal ISDN is phased out here. It's being replaced by ADSL. 8096 kbit downstream/1024kbit upstream start at $48 here. That's always on and a data limit of over 200 GB/month TF That's why only some TF companies have it, and certainly no home user. ADSL is in planning, I TF saw an ad that one company now offers this in certain streets in TF Bangkok now, and cable is future music - you ask your local ISP's TF customer service about cable, they wouldn't know what you're talking TF about and refer you to a TV provider. :) TF I saw a newspaper article that the government wants to make broadband TF affordable. I am not holding my breath. If demand picks up things can go fast. But it also depends greatly on the infrastructure you already have. Optic fiber. Copper wires of good quality etc -- Best regards, Tony Everything should be as simple as it is, but not simpler. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 12:54:28 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. It should open and I confirm your problem. Seems like a bug. Can anyone else confirm this. I'll bring it up on TBBETA I cannot confirm this. Double-clicking on the HTML file results in the opening warning. If I choose YES (to save the file) I can then open it in my browser (Mozilla) and it will open the message and the remote images, showing the local file location as the URL (file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/*.*/My%20Documents/Message.html). Answering NO will open the message in Mozilla and get the remote images, but shows TB's temp directory as the URL (file:///C:/DOCUME~1/*~1.***/LOCALS~1/Temp/bat/4C6370E5.html). Perhaps it is an IE problem? Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus warning upon execution of mail download
Sunday, June 13, 2004, 11:56:53 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 09:41:02 +0200 GMT Tony wrote: T [...] All people with good intentions. But sometimes a T virus pops up. The sender just forwarded an infected T mail to the list. I know it's a 'that happens once in a T lifetime' example. [...] If their system is immune, they won't catch a virus and won't spread it. If it is the duty of every internet user to stop spreading virus, outlaw OE/OL and you have the main problem fixed. Why are we discussing this here, by the way? I think Tony is referring to the case where a user manually forwards an email to a list, not realising that it carries a virus payload. This can be done just as well with The Bat! as with OE/OL. Of course the user must take responsibility for their action, and not forward something without understanding the implications, but in this case The Bat! will not stop you forwarding the mail, though it might stop you getting automatically infected. Tim -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spell checker dictionaries
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 11:47:54 AM, you wrote: CMG Can you sent it to me, the Dutch spelling checker? Alvast bedankt. RO Not necessary anymore. My message was dated when I sent it. ;-) Per RO the eighth of June the Dutch spelling checker is included again in the RO international pack at the ritlabs site: RO http://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/intpack.msi Got it, thanks. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Allie, AM Tony, [T] wrote: Now you are mainly talking about spam I think? I tackle spam by other means. AM The let them come approach? Not really. When I expressed my wish for HTML rendering it surely wasn't for opening spam. K9 scans my e-mail for spam even before it enters my e-mail client. So that effectively stops the valid e-mail checking. AM How about approaching it from a broader AM POV. If the spammers have less addresses to spam, then they'll likely AM use less Internet bandwidth sending spam. The bandwidth being used by AM spammers is staggering. I heard firgures of 25% AM It's the same sortof reasoning as the one you gave for viruses. We AM have a responsibility not only to our systems, but to not send the AM viruses to other systems. You got me there! :) But see above. And I have my reasons to believe that they don't bother checking who clicks. AM They do. It's one of their means of finding addresses to add to their AM golden lists. At times, all that is fetched is a pixel of data. You AM don't even see it in the message. I've even got some spam for buying a CD with 1 miljon verified addresses. That backups your claim. OTOH however spammers very often seem so mindless. Why sending spam for cheap US dentist insurance to European adresses? And of course this funny example found on a anti-spam plugin page Spammers do not prune their mailing lists based on bounce messages. We know of people that reactivated email addresses and even entire domains that have been inactive (and therefore bounced every message sent to them) for years, and yet literally within minutes of being reactivated, new spam arrived. Indeed, many spammers are known to send spam to randomly-generated e-mail addresses in hopes of guessing valid addresses; practically every one of these messages results in a bounce, yet spammers continue the practice. But as said above my aim is to delete the spam before it reaches my inbox with 99.8% success. So the e-mail checking is effectively stopped. . Understood. Unfortunately none of them open in my browser. The browser opens but the URL field stays empty; so nothing loads. Saving the HTML to file 1st does work. But is not very elegant. AM Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. It should open and I confirm your AM problem. Seems like a bug. Can anyone else confirm this. I'll bring it AM up on TBBETA. I have a good guess what the reason is. I use GreenBrowser as a shell for IE because of it's lightweight tabbed approach. GreenBrowser doesn't fully support sending info between applications sometimes. (I'm told) TB! doesn't open a GreenBrowser window but a IE window. But maybe it has to do with this behaviour because Greenbrowser is set as my default browser. Can I explicitly tell TB! to use a certain browser to render a page? -- Best regards, Tony A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Tony, [T] wrote: Can I explicitly tell TB! to use a certain browser to render a page? No. TB! will use the default browser for the system. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp6mqDgVOqad.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Julian Beach (Lists), [JB] wrote: Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. It should open and I confirm your problem. Seems like a bug. Can anyone else confirm this. I'll bring it up on TBBETA I cannot confirm this. Double-clicking on the HTML file results in the opening warning. If I choose YES (to save the file) I can then open it in my browser (Mozilla) and it will open the message and the remote images, Ok. Your not confirming hastened my efforts to check further. I changed my default browser from Netcaptor to Opera and it works now. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.04 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpuDhOaKTcK5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:59:34 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Ok. Your not confirming hastened my efforts to check further. I changed my default browser from Netcaptor to Opera and it works now. Is the problem with Message.html attachments that you open directly from TB (without saving first) or do you get the same problem with messages that you have previously saved? If the latter, then it would suggest that it is a system default browser problem rather than TB! as TB! would not be involved. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mark as intresting/irritating
PM Hi Jan, PM on Sat, 12 Jun 2004 17:04:45 -0400GMT, you wrote: PM [PPro script to ignore/watch threads or users] JR I use PP. Where can I d/l this wonderful sounding script? PM Have a look at www.rancho-k.com I've read the feature of rancho-k and he say that he develop this feature because he use TB for newsgroup. I'm interrested in reading newsgroup with the Bat. Somebody can tell how using TB for newsgroup ? WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Access Violation
Hello Julian, JBL On Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:59:34 PM, Allie Martin wrote: Ok. Your not confirming hastened my efforts to check further. I changed my default browser from Netcaptor to Opera and it works now. JBL Is the problem with Message.html attachments that you open directly JBL from TB (without saving first) or do you get the same problem with JBL messages that you have previously saved? For me the only problem is launching directly from TB! Saving 1st works without any problems. -- Best regards, Tony A life without cause is a life without effect. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Mark as intresting/irritating
Hello WilWilWil, PM Have a look at www.rancho-k.com W I've read the feature of rancho-k and he say that he develop this feature W because he use TB for newsgroup. I'm interrested in reading newsgroup with the W Bat. Somebody can tell how using TB for newsgroup ? http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mygate/ is what I'm using. It don't know if there are other news plugins but this one works fine. -- Best regards, Tony Always be nice to those younger than you, because they are the ones who will be writing about you. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Possible with template?
What I'm looking for is a template to ease working with certain mailing lists. This type of mailing list has a Reply-To header set to the original sender of the message, not the post address for the mailing list. The details: - When pressing the reply button, TB! should address the message to the following address: Original sender name [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Still have the ability of the right mouse button clicking on a header field and choosing Reply to this address and New message to this address. Is it possible? If so, how do I go about it? -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Mark as intresting/irritating
Hi WilWilWil, At 10:01 AM on Sunday, June 13, 2004 you W wrote the following Mark as intresting/irritating: JR I use PP. Where can I d/l this wonderful sounding script? PM Have a look at www.rancho-k.com W I've read the feature of rancho-k and he say that he develop W this feature because he use TB for newsgroup. snip Thanks for the tip. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11.03/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hi Charles, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 16:14:39 +0200GMT, you wrote: CMG What I'm looking for is a template to ease working with certain mailing CMG lists. This type of mailing list has a Reply-To header set to the CMG original sender of the message, not the post address for the mailing CMG list. Create an address book entry for the list and insert the following line in the reply template: %TO=%TO='%OFROMNAME on listname [EMAIL PROTECTED]'%- This should do it. :-) -- Cheers Peter Press any key... no, no, no, NOT THAT ONE! Winamp currently playing: Gabrielle Roth - La Canción de Manuel Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Peter, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 4:55:04 PM, you wrote: CMG What I'm looking for is a template to ease working with certain mailing CMG lists. This type of mailing list has a Reply-To header set to the CMG original sender of the message, not the post address for the mailing CMG list. PM Create an address book entry for the list and insert the following PM line in the reply template: PM %TO=%TO='%OFROMNAME on listname [EMAIL PROTECTED]'%- Wow, that was quick! However, it still replies to the original sender of the message. Here's the headers: Received: (qmail 21092 invoked by alias); 11 Jun 2004 20:22:05 - Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 21087 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 20:22:05 - Received: from stoneport.math.uic.edu (131.193.178.160) by usnj1.procreatie.nl with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 20:22:05 - Received: (qmail 24758 invoked by uid 1004); 11 Jun 2004 20:11:33 - Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 10418 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2004 19:56:32 - Received: from desk.crynwr.com (65.172.240.34) by stoneport.math.uic.edu with SMTP; 11 Jun 2004 19:56:32 - Received: (qmail 5287 invoked by uid 500); 11 Jun 2004 19:56:12 - From: Russell Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2004 15:56:12 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: bagle.x viruscan signature In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: VM 7.07 under 21.4 (patch 8) Honest Recruiter XEmacs Lucid X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63-cmg_0.1 (2004-01-11) on usnj1.procreatie.nl X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=2.63-cmg_0.1 The problem is three-fold: 1. The From line shows the original sender. 2. The list's maintainer decision that he the from line shows the original sender. 3. There are two Delivered-To lines. Can a template be made so that TB! replies to the second Delivered-To line? -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hi Charles, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:12:48 +0200GMT, you wrote: CMG What I'm looking for is a template to ease working with certain mailing CMG lists. This type of mailing list has a Reply-To header set to the CMG original sender of the message, not the post address for the mailing CMG list. PM Create an address book entry for the list and insert the following PM line in the reply template: PM %TO=%TO='%OFROMNAME on listname [EMAIL PROTECTED]'%- CMG Wow, that was quick! However, it still replies to the original sender of CMG the message. Here's the headers: CMG ...headers snipped... CMG The problem is three-fold: CMG 1. The From line shows the original sender. So that's the one chosen when you hit Reply, as there is no Reply-To header according to the list owner's decision. That's why you have to *hard code* the list name and address in the template. CMG 3. There are two Delivered-To lines. CMG Can a template be made so that TB! replies to the second Delivered-To CMG line? I don't know. Hard coding the actual address is easier. I assume that the list name and address don't change too often, or do they? ;-) -- Cheers Peter And always remember that it's bad style to start a sentence with a conjunction! Winamp currently playing: Gabrielle Roth - Eliana Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
List of reply addresses
Dear Batologist, When replying on a list the reply button most of the time comes up with the correct address. That of the list. However sometimes I want to reply to author in private. Reply all and then deleting a field is not only unelegant it just doesn't work on some lists. Probably because the threads are to complex or to much junk in the header. So is there a way to get a pull down list of all addresses found in the header so that I can pick one manually? -- Best regards, Tony Why do they sterilize the needle for lethal injections? Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading across folders
Charles M. Gerungan @ 2004-Jun-13 4:59:43 AM Threading across folders mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, do I cut and paste this somewhere and click OK? :). You just copy and paste; no clicking OK is required. First, select all of the filter (from BeginFilter to EndFilter). Then, open the Sorting Office for the account for which you want to use this filter. Right click on the Outgoing mail folder and select paste. You now have a filter! You will need to tweak the source and destination folders and the exclusion list. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Today's Oxymoron: Childproof pgpB6MIC2Kgyv.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hi Tony, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:35:39 +0200GMT, you wrote: T When replying on a list the reply button most of the time comes up T with the correct address. That of the list. T However sometimes I want to reply to author in private. T Reply all and then deleting a field is not only unelegant it just T doesn't work on some lists. In The Bat! you can right click the original sender's address in the message pane and select Reply to this address. -- Cheers Peter Things working well, no problems. Time to upgrade. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hello Tony, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:35:39 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 22:35 +0700 GMT), Tony wrote: T However sometimes I want to reply to author in private. T Reply all and then deleting a field is not only unelegant it just T doesn't work on some lists. Try crtl-F4. This will reply to the From address instead of the Reply-To. T So is there a way to get a pull down list of all addresses found in the T header so that I can pick one manually? Unfortunatley, there is no pull-down list. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Sign in a restaurant: Courteous and efficient self-service. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hi Peter, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:51:07 +0200GMT, I wrote: PM on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:35:39 +0200GMT, you wrote: T When replying on a list the reply button most of the time comes up T with the correct address. That of the list. T However sometimes I want to reply to author in private. T Reply all and then deleting a field is not only unelegant it just T doesn't work on some lists. PM In The Bat! you can right click the original sender's address in the PM message pane and select Reply to this address. This should have been preview pane, sorry... *s* And of course you need to have the From: header shown in Message Headers. ;-) -- Cheers Peter Politics is the entertainment branch of industry. Frank Zappa Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Bill- Saturday, June 12, 2004, 11:42:25 PM, you wrote: BM Here's one of the offending URLs: Works fine here with Mozilla, but I have to say that is quite possibly the longest url I have ever seen. Could you have run into an IE buffer overrun? -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13-Jun-04 2:54am -0500, Tony wrote: So you browsed the site on your laptop. Saved the url. And then get a crash when you open the same url on the same laptop? Yes, the URL was saved to an email and sent out. The AV occurs when I click on that URL while viewing the email from the Sent Mail folder. I see this discussion has gone off topic completely. I'll write a bug report after I have some time to further investigate. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading across folders
Hello Chris, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 5:42:37 PM, you wrote: C mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Furthermore, do I cut and paste this somewhere and click OK? :). C You just copy and paste; no clicking OK is required. First, select all C of the filter (from BeginFilter to EndFilter). Then, open the Sorting C Office for the account for which you want to use this filter. Right C click on the Outgoing mail folder and select paste. You now have a C filter! You will need to tweak the source and destination folders and C the exclusion list. I know myself, so I have to ask this question: No matter what I do with your script, I won't lose any messages, right? -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Bill, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 1:42:25 AM, Bill McCarthy wrote: BM I sent myself a URL to print at a remote location. Clicking on the BM URL with Outlook worked fine. Clicking with TB! produced this BM message: BM Access violation at address 39636A78. Read of address 39636A78. BM After that message, the hour glass was permanently on in TB! until I BM closed TB!. BM Here's one of the offending URLs: BM http://www.mapquest.com/directions/main.adp?do=rev2ct=NAmo=maun=mgo=11initsrch=01sbx=32initsrch=01a=101%20Bowie%20St1c=San%20Antonio1pl=210%2d223%2d10001pn=San%20Antonio%20Marriott%20Rivercntr1g=Tn1zyxa7mzg%3d2a=3600%20Presidential%20Blvd2tabval=search1l=SqJ4m4F4Fok%3d2c=Austincl=EN2g=NNSn1EzZZJY%3d1s=TX2pl=512%2d530%2d22422l=CKdSu7ZCltg%3dct=NA1v=ADDRESS2sbx=01ct=NA2pn=Austin%2dBergstrom%20Intl%20Airport%20%28AUS%291y=US1tabval=search1z=782052s=TX2v=ADDRESSdid=10870941312y=US2z=78719 not confirmed. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 There are two theories about arguing with women Neither one works. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Bill, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 10:59:00 AM, Bill McCarthy wrote: BM Yes, the URL was saved to an email and sent out. The AV occurs when I BM click on that URL while viewing the email from the Sent Mail folder. I copied your URL to a new message and sent to myself. I then clicked on the URL from the sent mail folder. Not confirmed. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.11.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 I'm sick! I ought to be home in bed with a nurse. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13-Jun-04 5:30am -0500, Mark Wieder wrote: Saturday, June 12, 2004, 11:42:25 PM, you wrote: BM Here's one of the offending URLs: Works fine here with Mozilla, but I have to say that is quite possibly the longest url I have ever seen. Could you have run into an IE buffer overrun? I don't thinks so since there is no problem clicking on that url from Outlook. Thanks for checking. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13-Jun-04 11:06am -0500, Greg Strong wrote: Sunday, June 13, 2004, 10:59:00 AM, Bill McCarthy wrote: BM Yes, the URL was saved to an email and sent out. The AV occurs when I BM click on that URL while viewing the email from the Sent Mail folder. I copied your URL to a new message and sent to myself. I then clicked on the URL from the sent mail folder. Not confirmed. Thanks for checking. I'm on a 2 week old laptop with all patches to XP installed as well as a fresh copy of TB!. I give up :-( Using The Bat! v2.11.04 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Same here but with v2.11.02. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Threading across folders
Charles M. Gerungan @ 2004-Jun-13 11:59:27 AM Threading across folders mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I know myself, so I have to ask this question: No matter what I do with your script, I won't lose any messages, right? My filter does NOT delete any messages. It only moves them. So, when you send a message, instead of finding it in the Sent Mail folder, you will find it in the Inbox, underneath the original message. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons. pgpC2bUZpZuIM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:49:17 +0700GMT, you wrote: T However sometimes I want to reply to author in private. T Reply all and then deleting a field is not only unelegant it just T doesn't work on some lists. TF Try crtl-F4. This will reply to the From address instead of the TF Reply-To. This reply was created as it is with alt+F4. Maybe this is due to my own templates, I'm not sure... shrug But right clicking your address still works. :-) -- Cheers Peter There are two infinite things, the universe and human stupidity, but I'm not quite sure about the universe yet. Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
Hello Bill, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 10:59:00 -0500 GMT (13/06/2004, 22:59 +0700 GMT), Bill McCarthy wrote: So you browsed the site on your laptop. Saved the url. And then get a crash when you open the same url on the same laptop? BM Yes, the URL was saved to an email and sent out. The AV occurs when I BM click on that URL while viewing the email from the Sent Mail folder. Same here. And the browser (CrazyBrowser based on IE6) was still open when I clicked on the URL in TB. BM I see this discussion has gone off topic completely. I'll write a bug BM report after I have some time to further investigate. I think it's something in the mapquest URL, as I don't have the ever encountered the problem with other URLs. 2.11 on Win98. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My parents put us to sleep by tossing us up in the air. Of course, you have to have low ceilings for this method to work. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Thanks list! All of the suggested methods work just fine. Cheers :D T Dear Batologist, T When replying on a list the reply button most of the time comes up T with the correct address. That of the list. T However sometimes I want to reply to author in private. T Reply all and then deleting a field is not only unelegant it just T doesn't work on some lists. T Probably because the threads are to complex or to much junk in the T header. T So is there a way to get a pull down list of all addresses found in the T header so that I can pick one manually? -- Best regards, Tony Breathless, we flung us on a windy hill; Laughed in the sun, and kissed the lovely grass. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Connection Centre takes up full screen
Hi Bat! Fans, All of a sudden the Connection Centre has taken over my screen. Is there a simple way to get it back to a reasonable size? Minimise has no effect. T.I.A. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Never repeat codes, said the telegrapher remorselessly. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Dear Nednieuws, @13-Jun-2004, 16:14 +0200 (13-Jun 15:14 UK time) Charles M. Gerungan [NC] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: NC - When pressing the reply button, TB! should address the message NC to the following address: Original sender name NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is only possible (in the circumstances as you have explained them) by using a folder template in which all messages replied to when that folder has the focus are inflicted with this reply template prefix: %to=''%to='%ofromname on %abotohandle=#%abotofirstname# %otoaddr' This creates an addressing of Fred Nurke on BadList [EMAIL PROTECTED] This assumes that the original message was addressed to the list and not to you personally. NC - Still have the ability of the right mouse button clicking on a NC header field and choosing Reply to this address and New message NC to this address. Oops. That's killed by the above. Can't have both in this respect. NC Is it possible? If so, how do I go about it? Only by copying the message to the inbox and replying from there to make a private response. Alternatively, set up a QT on a hotkey that will switch to a private reply with a content something like: %to=''%to='%ofromname %ofromaddr' -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user SB! v2.11.04 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpJKC3qSKs5B.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hello Peter, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:23:10 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 23:23 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: TF Try crtl-F4. This will reply to the From address instead of the TF Reply-To. PM This reply was created as it is with alt+F4. Maybe this is due to PM my own templates, I'm not sure... shrug If you were trying to make fun of me, you have succeeded. Even though I know the reply is invoked by crtl-F4 over here, I verified it again. Then I deleted the resulting reply and of course I tried to see what the shortcut alt-F4 does. Well, in standard Windows fashion, it closed my TB down. Quite expectedly so, except that expectations were switched off after that beer after dinner. g -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. In an office: WOULD THE PERSON WHO TOOK THE STEP LADDER YESTERDAY PLEASE BRING IT BACK OR FURTHER STEPS WILL BE TAKEN. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13-Jun-04 11:20am -0500, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I think it's something in the mapquest URL, as I don't have the ever encountered the problem with other URLs. Thomas, I'm sorry to hear you have the same problem but glad I'm not the only one g. When I write the bug report, I'll include a problem MapQuest URL. 2.11 on Win98. 2.11.02 on WinXP Pro. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hi Thomas, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:32:32 +0700GMT, you wrote: TF On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 18:23:10 +0200 GMT (13/06/2004, 23:23 +0700 GMT), TF Peter Meyns wrote: TF Try crtl-F4. This will reply to the From address instead of the TF Reply-To. PM This reply was created as it is with alt+F4. Maybe this is due to PM my own templates, I'm not sure... shrug TF If you were trying to make fun of me, you have succeeded. Oh, very sorry, my bad! Of course I /meant/ ctrl+F4. As I used for this message... TF ... except that expectations were switched off after that beer TF after dinner. g Have one one me. :-) -- Cheers Peter It takes more than three weeks to prepare a good impromptu speech. Mark Twain Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] Re: Linking Notepad to Contact
On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 02:13:19 GMT, Chris wrote: Either make a feature request or wait for Longhorn... Ya know, for several years I have not been a fan of MS' products. For example, I think the IBM/Lotus desktop suite works WAY better, and the list goes on and on, including TB! compared with OL. However, I'm getting pretty impressed with the way they are finally bringing together all their disparate technologies. From time to time I even think I should spend the time to consider whether going MS is the way to go. Longhorn, for example, sounds pretty intriguing -- JN Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:51:57 GMT, Allie Martin wrote: You may also be using POP3 but with encryption. Again, the usual POP3 scanners will not detect viruses over an ecrypted feed. The plugin helps there. Allie, wouldn't the AMON filter detect the virus when it hits the disk or memory in decrypted state? -- JN Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hello Peter, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:00:40 +0200 GMT (14/06/2004, 00:00 +0700 GMT), Peter Meyns wrote: PM This reply was created as it is with alt+F4. Maybe this is due to PM my own templates, I'm not sure... shrug TF If you were trying to make fun of me, you have succeeded. PM Oh, very sorry, my bad! Of course I /meant/ ctrl+F4. As I used for PM this message... I thought you said it didn't work for you? TF ... except that expectations were switched off after that beer TF after dinner. g PM Have one one me. :-) Here's to you! hicks -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wer zuendet nachts Hauser an? 5000 DM Belohnung! * Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: 2.11.03 Really Slow on POP Retrieval
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Friday, June 11, 2004, 12:22:39 PM, you wrote: So, now my search is on for a Bat-compatible anti-virus. KAV used to work so well with it. FYI, I am using KAV Personal 5.0.124. Thanks for the help! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-Original message text=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I have major slow downs as well and have not found the issue yet (checking the suggestions now). AVG is free and has a pay version and seems to plug into The Bat nicely www.grisoft.com -- Scott Windows 2000 The Bat 2.10.03 Popfile Spam Filter http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: What's the use of an Anti virus plug-in?
Hello Joseph, JN On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 20:51:57 GMT, Allie Martin wrote: You may also be using POP3 but with encryption. Again, the usual POP3 scanners will not detect viruses over an ecrypted feed. The plugin helps there. JN Allie, wouldn't the AMON filter detect the virus when it hits the JN disk or memory in decrypted state? That's correct. -- Best regards, Tony A jury consists of twelve people who determine which client has the better lawyer. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tab to indent (Was: Re[2]: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello Wayne, Friday, June 11, 2004, 11:07:15 AM, you wrote: W Friday, June 4, 2004, 11:09:13 PM, mm wrote: As with all new additions, there might be a couple of small dings (for instance in the way the tab does not indent the paragraph but jumps out to the attachment). W I too like to indent paragraphs. I discovered that ctrl-I W works to create a tab character for indents. Not exactly a TB W feature, it just inserts an ASCII 9 which is the tab character. I should have clarified that this behaviour of the non-indenting was found in the html editor, not the plain text ones. Using the tab to maneuver is not working properly. Switch to html editor, open new email, type in the address, tab to Subject, then attach some .gif, then tab to the body of the message. See how the caret jumps out to the attachment? So, tabbing around in an Edit Mail Message screen doesn't work. Well, _here_ it doesn't work. -- Thanks, Maggie Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Peter, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 5:28:26 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Charles, PM on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 17:12:48 +0200GMT, you wrote: CMG What I'm looking for is a template to ease working with certain mailing CMG lists. This type of mailing list has a Reply-To header set to the CMG original sender of the message, not the post address for the mailing CMG list. PM Create an address book entry for the list and insert the following PM line in the reply template: PM %TO=%TO='%OFROMNAME on listname [EMAIL PROTECTED]'%- CMG Wow, that was quick! However, it still replies to the original sender of CMG the message. Here's the headers: CMG ...headers snipped... CMG The problem is three-fold: CMG 1. The From line shows the original sender. PM So that's the one chosen when you hit Reply, as there is no Reply-To PM header according to the list owner's decision. That's why you have to PM *hard code* the list name and address in the template. CMG 3. There are two Delivered-To lines. CMG Can a template be made so that TB! replies to the second Delivered-To CMG line? PM I don't know. Hard coding the actual address is easier. I assume that PM the list name and address don't change too often, or do they? ;-) They don't, but who cares and it doesn't make a difference. The problem lies elsewhere: How does TB! know that it needs the template for the list address if the reply doesn't go to the From field. That's why I stated point 3. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Marck, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 6:34:41 PM, you wrote: MDP @13-Jun-2004, 16:14 +0200 (13-Jun 15:14 UK time) Charles M. Gerungan MDP [NC] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: NC - When pressing the reply button, TB! should address the message NC to the following address: Original sender name NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] MDP This is only possible (in the circumstances as you have explained MDP them) by using a folder template in which all messages replied to MDP when that folder has the focus are inflicted with this reply MDP template prefix: MDP %to=''%to='%ofromname on %abotohandle=#%abotofirstname# %otoaddr' A folder template, that sounds like what I need. MDP This creates an addressing of MDP Fred Nurke on BadList [EMAIL PROTECTED] There are lots of reasons why it's better to set it up like that, so don't put it down like that... MDP Alternatively, set up a QT on a hotkey that will switch to a private MDP reply with a content something like: MDP %to=''%to='%ofromname %ofromaddr' Yes. Very nice. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hi Charles, on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:05:18 +0200GMT, you wrote: CMG 3. There are two Delivered-To lines. CMG Can a template be made so that TB! replies to the second Delivered-To CMG line? PM I don't know. Hard coding the actual address is easier. I assume that PM the list name and address don't change too often, or do they? ;-) CMG They don't, but who cares and it doesn't make a difference. The problem CMG lies elsewhere: How does TB! know that it needs the template for the CMG list address if the reply doesn't go to the From field. That's why I CMG stated point 3. In that case I'd save the template as a Quick Template with the %Clear macro in the first line and select it manually by typing the handle +ctrl+space. -- Cheers Peter Keyboard not found. Press F1 for help. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Peter, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 8:21:15 PM, you wrote: PM In that case I'd save the template as a Quick Template with the %Clear PM macro in the first line and select it manually by typing the handle PM +ctrl+space. I went for Marck's solution which exactly followed my requirements: Press Ctrl-R to reply to the list (just one keypress!) and still the possibility for a personal reply. But thanks, I learn from every reply. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Dear Charles, @13-Jun-2004, 20:09 +0200 (13-Jun 19:09 UK time) Charles M. Gerungan [NC] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP %to=''%to='%ofromname on MDP %abotohandle=#%abotofirstname# %otoaddr' NC A folder template, that sounds like what I need. Be careful! It will re-address any messages back to the list if you aren't careful - even from external mailto URLs if you leave the folder selected in the main window. MDP Fred Nurke on BadList [EMAIL PROTECTED] NC There are lots of reasons why it's better to set it up like NC that, so don't put it down like that... Maybe, however I am yet to hear one that isn't historical and the result of intransigence on the part of the list admins and I remain convinced that it is unnecessary and a nuisance in a mail reflector list to set it up that way. Of course, a new list that doesn't expect a reply is another matter, but then, nobody writes to those to *be* replied to. Having run these lists and some others for many years now, I remain sceptical of the old school of configuration. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user SB! v2.11.04 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpEDZoZ6HfMX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Marck, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 8:49:38 PM, you wrote: NC A folder template, that sounds like what I need. MDP Be careful! It will re-address any messages back to the list if you MDP aren't careful - even from external mailto URLs if you leave the MDP folder selected in the main window. Ah, yes, that's something I've been fighting with: How can you know which account is used when the new message/reply/forward window is up? On my Mac, I can always see that and change the account used. Thanks for the heads up. MDP Fred Nurke on BadList [EMAIL PROTECTED] NC There are lots of reasons why it's better to set it up like NC that, so don't put it down like that... MDP Maybe, however I am yet to hear one that isn't historical and the MDP result of intransigence on the part of the list admins and I remain MDP convinced that it is unnecessary and a nuisance in a mail reflector MDP list to set it up that way. It's the qmail list. Lots of history there :). -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hallo Charles, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 21:35:55 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 21:35 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CMG Ah, yes, that's something I've been fighting with: How can you know CMG which account is used when the new message/reply/forward window is up? CMG On my Mac, I can always see that and change the account used. You can see the account name used in the status at the bottom of the edit screen. In case you're using multiple addresses in one account, just like me, it's possible to show the From header in the edit screen,. To enable that, choose in the edit screen: View - check 'From:' -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hi Roelof, On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 1:03:06 PM PST, you wrote: You can see the account name used in the status at the bottom of the edit screen. And with this indicator in the status bar, one can right click on the account name, and choose any other account to become the sending account for the particular message in question. All the other categories shown in the status bar can be right-clicked and changed on-the-fly as well. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpHjuJQZCMfL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 10:03:06 PM, you wrote: CMG Ah, yes, that's something I've been fighting with: How can you know CMG which account is used when the new message/reply/forward window is up? CMG On my Mac, I can always see that and change the account used. RO You can see the account name used in the status at the bottom of the RO edit screen. RO In case you're using multiple addresses in one account, just like me, RO it's possible to show the From header in the edit screen,. To enable RO that, choose in the edit screen: RO View - check 'From:' I like the other person's suggestion more: Bottom of the screen, and it can be right clicked to switch accounts just like Apple Mail. Ya know, I bought this thing for it's text capabilities, but it turns out it has more useful features, too. And yes, I consider good text handling a feature :). -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of reply addresses
Hi Peter, On Sunday, June 13, 2004, at 8:56:56 AM PST, you wrote: This should have been preview pane, sorry... Um...don't you mean header pane (or header bar?) instead? I may be confused here, but I've always considered the preview pane to be just the window with the message in it, and that bar just above it (between the message index/list and preview pane) with all the selected header information in it to be the header pane or header bar. By the way...when I'm reading a list message, and use the Ctrl+F4 shortcut, the reply is addressed to the original sender - not to the list - just as intended with Ctrl+F4. However, on a list where I need to hard code the list address as the default reply to in a folder template, Ctrl+F4 doesn't work to send the reply to the original sender instead. What I use in this case is a quick template like this: %TO=%TO=%OFROMNAME %OFROMADDR Once I select the text I want to quote, then hit F4, I just type the quick template's handle and the To address is changed from the hard coded list address to the original sender's address. This is slightly clumsy, but it works. I guess I could try to be a little less lazy and figure out a new method for this that would just require a single keyboard combination after selecting the text to quote. :-) -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgpTq2kVvo9op.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB! attachment display settings?
Friday, June 11, 2004, Mary Bull wrote: I did this. You have solved the problem! All the old attachments will open now, just like the four new ones do. I'm so glad you got it to work. It took me some time, because I first moved the .tmp files to another folder, as you suggested, rather than deleting them. After I was able to open the attachments successfully, I then deleted the 88 bat.tmp files. I don't know why, but this approach always make me think the old swedish Minister of Finance Gunnar Sträng. He wore both braces and waist-belt, not a man you'd catch easily with his pants down. It's not a familiar activity for me, and I had trouble controlling the mouse to highlight them in selected blocks rather than one at a time. You know what they say, practice makes perfect. I don't have the words to say how much joy it brings me to have this problem solved. Thank you very much, Urban. And thank you, Mary, for sharing your happiness. -- Urban There are 10 kinds of people - those who understand binary math, and those who don't Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hallo Charles, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:32:19 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 22:32 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CMG I like the other person's suggestion more: Bottom of the screen, and it CMG can be right clicked to switch accounts just like Apple Mail. That won't help you when you've got 30 or 40 addresses all handled by the same account. I used to work with two accounts, both with the same account address, but with one account strictly for archiving purposes. My main account had about 30 or 40 addresses that it handled. Two weeks ago I got myself a new pc and only my main account got copied to this system. I'm not sure how to handle my archiving now. (I'm still archiving stuff at my server, though.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 13, 2004, 11:31:20 PM, you wrote: RO On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 22:32:19 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 22:32 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: CMG I like the other person's suggestion more: Bottom of the screen, and it CMG can be right clicked to switch accounts just like Apple Mail. RO That won't help you when you've got 30 or 40 addresses all handled by RO the same account. Nice to know, but a situation I've never ran into as I maintain a private mail server. RO Two weeks ago I got myself a new pc and only my main account got RO copied to this system. I'm not sure how to handle my archiving now. RO (I'm still archiving stuff at my server, though.) That's how I do it. Keep everything in IMAP folders. I keep about two months worth on a server on my lan by way of downloading as local copies. The rest is on the server almost forever. -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hallo Charles, On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 23:58:46 +0200GMT (13-6-2004, 23:58 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO That won't help you when you've got 30 or 40 addresses all handled by RO the same account. CMG Nice to know, but a situation I've never ran into as I maintain a CMG private mail server. So do I, I suppose we all have a different ideal solution. I decided to pour everything into one account just because I didn't need an inbox and outbox for every address, I'm filtering mail for every address into its own folder, where I store the mail threaded. The respective folders all have their own identity set in the folder properties. Works for me, but YMMV. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Possible with template?
Hello Roelof, Monday, June 14, 2004, 12:36:04 AM, you wrote: RO I decided to pour everything into one account just because I didn't RO need an inbox and outbox for every address, I'm filtering mail for RO every address into its own folder, where I store the mail threaded. RO The respective folders all have their own identity set in the folder RO properties. Works for me, but YMMV. What I dislike about your approach is that it pins you down to an mua that owns that feature set. But, we're getting way OT :). -- Regards, Charles. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Access Violation
On Sun 13 June 2004, 21:58:52 +1000, Allie Martin wrote: ISDN is close to unaffordably expensive. Ha! I forgot to mention that part. I pay USD$130/month for my ADSL connection (768/256 Kbps). That is by no means cheap either. Hmm, here in metropolitan Australia we are more fortunate than I realised. I pay A$60 per month (about US$42) for a cable connection with up to 12Gb download per month. ADSL roughly equivalent to Allie's (I think it would have been 1024/256 Kbps) would have cost me A$50 (~US$35) per month had I been on standard copper phone connections, however my phone provide uses cable as well. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
