Re: new user registration
Hello Roelof, On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:35:38 +0200 GMT (18/07/2007, 08:35 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: RO The only difference between the home and pro versions is that some RO features are unlocked by the pro license, both use the same RO executable. TF Which features would that be? RO OTFE comes to mind. I don't like that, because it's a proprietory encryption. RO Oh and the pro license also unlocks Voyager. True. Voyager is very important for me when travelling. Unfortunately, it uses OTFE by default. In case of problems with the USB stick, messages are lost as they are not recoverable. Luckily, Voyager is only my backup. RO That's about it, I believe. The other difference between the Home and the Pro versions is that the Pro version includes the intpack, which translates the interface into many languages. Home users can download this for free seperately. So, unless you want OTFE or need to use Voyager, there are no unlocked features in the Home version. Or am I wrong? -- Cheers, Thomas. A non-smoking section in a restaurant is like a non-peeing section in a pool. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Thomas Fernandez @ 2007-7-18 1:39:58 PM new user registration mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OTFE comes to mind. I don't like that, because it's a proprietory encryption. Me too. What if, thirty years from now, Ritlabs has moved on and I need to get access to *that* message that happens to be encrypted? So, unless you want OTFE or need to use Voyager, there are no unlocked features in the Home version. Or am I wrong? You can you the Pro version for business purposes. You're not supposed to use the Home on for business purposes. However, I can no longer find the licences in Help... -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes. -The Doctor pgpZ6UErcIKxj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Hallo Thomas, On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 00:39:58 +0700GMT (18-7-2007, 19:39 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO The only difference between the home and pro versions is that some RO features are unlocked by the pro license, both use the same RO executable. TF Which features would that be? RO OTFE comes to mind. TF I don't like that, because it's a proprietory encryption. Well, YMMV BTW Using OTFE disables the option to store attachments outside the message base, so that might be another reason not to use OTFE. RO Oh and the pro license also unlocks Voyager. TF True. Voyager is very important for me when travelling. Unfortunately, TF it uses OTFE by default. In case of problems with the USB stick, TF messages are lost as they are not recoverable. Luckily, Voyager is TF only my backup. RO That's about it, I believe. TF The other difference between the Home and the Pro versions is that the TF Pro version includes the intpack, which translates the interface into TF many languages. Home users can download this for free seperately. That's merely the installation file. IIRC You can use the pro-install and register as home user. After all the installation file doesn't ask for a license. And you can use the home-install and get OTFE installed if you don't care for the multi-language thing. TF So, unless you want OTFE or need to use Voyager, there are no unlocked TF features in the Home version. No. TF Or am I wrong? No. Of course there is this little proviso about not using the home version for business purposes... -- Groetjes, Roelof Devoted to the art of cat-bathing as a martial art. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpPMrk4CutSp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Hello Thomas, On 2007-07-18 you wrote: So, unless you want OTFE or need to use Voyager, there are no unlocked features in the Home version. Or am I wrong? I think, you're right. There is a pro vs. home section on the Ritlabs web page: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/diff.php Greetings Uwe -- Using The Bat! v3.99.8 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Hello Roelof, On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 07:39:50 +0200 GMT (16/07/2007, 12:39 +0700 GMT), Roelof Otten wrote: RO The only difference between the home and pro versions is that some RO features are unlocked by the pro license, both use the same RO executable. Which features would that be? -- Cheers, Thomas. Why isn't there mouse-flavored cat food? http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.99.3 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Hallo Thomas, On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:27:03 +0700GMT (18-7-2007, 3:27 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO The only difference between the home and pro versions is that some RO features are unlocked by the pro license, both use the same RO executable. TF Which features would that be? OTFE comes to mind. Oh and the pro license also unlocks Voyager. That's about it, I believe. -- Groetjes, Roelof I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpaxP1D8t0Pi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Brenda @ 2007-7-15 3:51:47 PM new user registration mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I just paid for The Bat Professional version. I am currently using the Home version. When I read my email about registering, it registered the Home version automatically. Is this normal? Yes. It worked fine to: X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.99.3) Professional You can also confirm this under Help - About -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. No matter how hard you try, you cannot cram infinity into 32 bits. -Carl Zimmerman pgp6Q2ZIZ4qVJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user registration
Hallo Brenda, On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 12:51:47 -0700GMT (15-7-2007, 21:51 +0200, where I live), you wrote: B What do I need to do to be able to switch from the Home version to the Professional version? B Did I mess up by accidentally registering my Home version instead of the Professional version? The only difference between the home and pro versions is that some features are unlocked by the pro license, both use the same executable. -- Groetjes, Roelof Live short and fester. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpjsW6OmYeRD.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user
Hello K., On Sunday, March 9, 2003, 11:46:35 + GMT (which was 12:46 local time), K. A. Walsh wrote: KAW anyhow how can I look at all my emails on server KAW HD before downloading so I can delete rubbish (as KAW gets tons of spam) this was one of the best features KAW of YAM that i liked. I was told it can be done with KAW thebat! KAW Ken Yes, that's possible. Go to Account Dispatch Mail On Server. Hope that helps. -- Cheers, Andre Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: new user
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi K., @9-Mar-2003, 11:46 K. A. Walsh [KAW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: KAW anyhow how can I look at all my emails on server KAW HD before downloading so I can delete rubbish (as KAW gets tons of spam) this was one of the best features KAW of YAM that i liked. I was told it can be done with KAW thebat! Yes. See Account | Dispatch mail on server. That does it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE+azacOeQkq5KdzaARAlt0AKCvtALQ0p+NBjgF4FRi92t3NpuDaACgx6hj sgOxy+A3Yqvzt3DK+ziubd8= =SVHW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New User Questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gary, @27 June 2002, 21:40:04 -0500 (03:40 UK time) Gary Lucas in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine. The pages work perfectly on IE 5.5 and later, Mozilla and many others. NetScape is buggy and there's nothing I can do about that and I'm trying to code around some of Opera's shortcomings. With those provisos the FAQ works well and includes a link at the front page to a flat version which will work on any browser. There seem to be paragraph and block formatting functions, but can't figure out how to do simple formatting like bolding/highlighting text. Probably Outlook Express g. TB is a plain text email client. You can't set character attributes in plain text. You have to use ASCII emphasising like *bold*, /italic/, _underline_ and SHOUTING. This is actually the only way to ensure that the person receiving your message can understand the stresses where they appear. Let's face it, email is about who we are sending it to, not about what we see. The best of all worlds is where we can guarantee that what we see is what we send is what the recipient sees. The Bat! is one of the best in the world at that job. Is a local font change possible? Am I missing something? That's a matter of changing the editor preferences. It won't affect what you send. Also, again because of the plain text limitation and because of the column formatting capabilities of the editor, you are restricted to using fixed width fonts in the editor. You may be able to get hold of some alternatives. One favourite is Andale Mono, available from the MS downloads site. ... It would be much nicer to have it open a new-mail list It is one. Just enable the Message list of the Browse ticker messages folder view window that opens when you double click on the ticker. Also, the silly banner won't go away unless I read all the messages. Isn't there some way to dismiss it? It seems like the only choices here are to have NO ALERTING or to have NUISSANCE ALERTING. Is there some work around? No, but I keep mine minimal by shrinking it to the smallest possible width and sliding it off the edge of the screen so that only a half inch of it is visible. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9Gtl2OeQkq5KdzaARAoVYAJ0XkWWPQwUM9yKSEOvzTQ+bPzGwJACcCio/ +k24tn85Nj7Feei8YnMtlww= =VZ4X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
Hey Jonathan, My MUA believes you used Sylpheed version 0.7.5claws (GTK+ 1.2.9; i586-pc-linux-gnu) to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Wednesday, June 26, 2002 at 11:04:21 PM. JA You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a JA certain amount of time. Where is this set? I know I can set it to go away after all messages are a certain age, to get it to go away after X amount of time? Could be useful. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! eMail v1.60q Windows 2000 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 2) use Perl; \ program \ fulfillment Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User: Stripping mailing list blurb
Hello Julian,
27. junij 2002, 14:22:07, you wrote:
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Re: New User Questions
Hi Marck, Thursday, June 27, 2002 09:04 Thanks for the helpful reply. However, I think there may still be a problem with the FAQ page. I am using IE 6.0.2600.IC under Win 98/SE 4.10.A and I have all the latest Win 98 and IE update patches from Microsoft. Still, the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white background. No links or anything. --Gary ==Original message text=== From: Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gary Lucas on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002, 4:22:59 AM Subject: New User Questions == Hi Gary, @27 June 2002, 21:40:04 -0500 (03:40 UK time) Gary Lucas in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine. The pages work perfectly on IE 5.5 and later, Mozilla and many others. NetScape is buggy and there's nothing I can do about that and I'm trying to code around some of Opera's shortcomings. With those provisos the FAQ works well and includes a link at the front page to a flat version which will work on any browser. Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gary, @27 June 2002, 09:26:05 -0500 (15:26 UK time) Gary Lucas in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: However, I think there may still be a problem with the FAQ page. I am using IE 6.0.2600.IC under Win 98/SE 4.10.A and I have all the latest Win 98 and IE update patches from Microsoft. Still, the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white background. No links or anything. Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of IE as you do and the page has no errors. Really! Write to me privately if you want to get involved with helping me debug this issue. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GygvOeQkq5KdzaARAjsOAKCu4+GORerwQCwTFoXJaw8likoJWwCcDUZB cxXHs1DXgOGxkcsdcm/9pS8= =nA0z -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
On Thursday, June 27, 2002, Tim Musson wrote... JA You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a JA certain amount of time. Where is this set? I know I can set it to go away after all messages are a certain age, to get it to go away after X amount of time? Could be useful. Well... more like a certain age limit on the emails itself. If you right click the mail ticker next time it is up, go to Messages then Age Limits. Set a value. After a certain period of time, the age of the message is met, and it is removed from the ticker. Which, in theory, if it's the last message, should hide the ticker again. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sudip, @27 June 2002, 21:02:35 +0545 (16:17 UK time) Sudip Pokhrel in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white background. No links or anything. MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of MDP IE as you do and the page has no errors. Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem. I think yours is a different problem. Like I said earlier, turn off Identify as IE and make it Identify as Opera before viewing. Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer to i.e. where is it? In the middle of the page you say is blank. You can get directly to the flat version on http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GzXDOeQkq5KdzaARAlBFAKCwagoKT+L5P1qehXJdyEI5MoCiogCfRuZR p7WeaKva0Ziy/QPFVDKNk3M= =+P9i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
Hi, Thursday, June 27, 2002 20:13 OK. I installed both Beonex and Netscape 7.0 for a tryout. Beonex has the look and feel of Netscape 7.0 but seems to be faster. The FAQ page displays with Beonex and with Netscape 7.0, just fine. The FAQ page does not display under either Netscape 4.7 or IE 6.0. I get javascript errors and a blank page in both cases. I think Beonex is going to be my new default browser. --Gary ==Original message text=== From: Marck D Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sudip Pokhrel on TBUDL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 27, 2002, 10:56:49 AM Subject: New User Questions == -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Sudip, @27 June 2002, 21:02:35 +0545 (16:17 UK time) Sudip Pokhrel in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: the FAQ reports Done, but with errors on page after loading and all that gets displayed is one line at the top and a white background. No links or anything. MDP Could you be getting a cached version? I use the same version of MDP IE as you do and the page has no errors. Mark, as I described in my earlier thread, I have the same problem. I think yours is a different problem. Like I said earlier, turn off Identify as IE and make it Identify as Opera before viewing. Also confused about the first page with flat links that you refer to i.e. where is it? In the middle of the page you say is blank. You can get directly to the flat version on http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq_flat.html - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9GzXDOeQkq5KdzaARAlBFAKCwagoKT+L5P1qehXJdyEI5MoCiogCfRuZR p7WeaKva0Ziy/QPFVDKNk3M= =+P9i -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/ ===End of original message text=== Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gary, @28 June 2002, 20:26:14 -0500 (02:26 UK time) Gary Lucas in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck D Pearlstone: The FAQ page does not display under either Netscape 4.7 This is expected behaviour. or IE 6.0. This is not! I get javascript errors and a blank page in both cases. IE4.0 gives errors. IE6 should display perfectly. Could you possibly do a View source and send me the results off-list? - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.60q-5523848F0B1 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7a-nr2b1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9G7zjOeQkq5KdzaARAhK0AKCwB7CdTP8ZvNvDgU0PwIKI8vLNEQCgtHEa ATfG2i2tr7rTwCYVymuSezs= =QhVQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User Questions
Hi Gary, On Wed, 26 Jun 2002 21:40:04 -0500, you wrote: Questions: The FAQ page is full of javascript errors that prevent it from displaying in both Netscape and IE on my machine. I wrote to report this at the support address but they just seem to ignore any questions. Is there something I need to do to be able to view the FAQ? It would be nice for new users. I believe the FAQ is run by one of the moderators on this list, and not by RitLabs themselves... Maybe Marck can answer that one ;) There seem to be paragraph and block formatting functions, but can't figure out how to do simple formatting like bolding/highlighting text. Is a local font change possible? Am I missing something? Bold as in the person you're sending it to sees bold? That is HTML formating, and TB doesn't send in html (yet). If you mean locally, there is an option under Options - Editor Preferences I think where you can change your locally viewed windows, but this has no affect on the recipient of the email. The message banner is adequate when there is one message, but when there are many it essentially worthless, except as an alert. It would be much nicer to have it open a new-mail list where I could chose what I want to read and mark other messages as Read or Deferred. I know this banner is sorta a trademark, but are there any plans to make it useful too? Next time you double click to bring up a message, go to View - Message list (I think that's the option). It'll then display all the unread messages that are being shown in the ticker. Also, the silly banner won't go away unless I read all the messages. Isn't there some way to dismiss it? It seems like the only choices here are to have NO ALERTING or to have NUISSANCE ALERTING. Is there some work around? You can set a timer on the message ticker so it goes away after a certain amount of time. With the timer up, I think you can right click on it, and there are a set of properties you can modify. Hope these help a little. -- Jonathan Angliss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Re: New User -- Question About Reply Editor
Hello Larry Hertzog, On Saturday, March 09 2002 at 09:58 AM PDT, you wrote: Is there a way to make it stick? Yes. :o) Open the Editor, extend it's margins to where you like, and then on the Message Editor Toolbar/View make sure Store Window Position is checked. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User -- Question About Reply Editor
Nick, Is there a way to make it stick? Yes. :o) Open the Editor, extend it's margins to where you like, and then on the Message Editor Toolbar/View make sure Store Window Position is checked. I've tried this and it doesn't work. We are trying to make the top reply pane remember it's height. I'm using a full screen editor window and it remembers everything but the height of the top 'message you are to' pane. More assistance welcome, or maybe the authors can look into to will fiddling with the beta :) Charles Collinson -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User -- Question About Reply Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In a message dated, Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:32:12 -0800, Larry Hertzog [LH] wrote: ... LH It appears to be an excellent feature, but seeing only a few lines, OR LH having to resize it constantly can be annoying. LH On the other hand, is there a way to disable the feature entirely? Yes. In the editor window, go to the menu opion, 'View/Original Text'. - -- // \\ _\\()//_ ©Allie C Martin / // \\ \List Moderator and fellow end user | \__/ | TB! v1.54 Beta/46 WinXP Home - PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iEYEARECAAYFAjyKcZ8ACgkQV8nrYCsHF+J1JACg51rkIN27q6gcf2kMW4UMnlKh NOsAoM8F4wV0/haXyTPFVHEQ2qLvCK7f =5NxN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User -- Question About Reply Editor
Nick, Is there a way to make it stick? Yes. :o) Open the Editor, extend it's margins to where you like, and then on the Message Editor Toolbar/View make sure Store Window Position is checked. I've tried this and it doesn't work. We are trying to make the top reply pane remember it's height. I'm using a full screen editor window and it remembers everything but the height of the top 'message you are to' pane. More assistance welcome, or maybe the authors can look into to will fiddling with the beta :) Charles Collinson Charles, It appears to be an excellent feature, but seeing only a few lines, OR having to resize it constantly can be annoying. On the other hand, is there a way to disable the feature entirely? Larry Hertzog Studio City, CA US Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.1 Build 2600 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - Its making me BATTY!
On Saturday, February 16, 2002, 10:07:46 AM, you wrote: L I have already tried making a blank page for a template and using L that (via Accounts) however the program insists on this one. Lionrhod, If you have not created any folders under the inbox, you should just right click on the account, go to properties, templates, new message and just clear all the text from the template. When you create a new message the editor will open up completely blank. If you have created other folders, and you create a message whilst the new folder is highlighted, that new folder will have its own templates. -- Best regards, Adam Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/39 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - Its making me BATTY!
Lionrhod, Just started using the Bat myself and I think the templates are killers. Anyone think I've got this wrong please correct me: Firstly each email account has the default templates: Right-click account, Properties and then Templates should enable you to affect the default templates for that account, Template and Reply, etc. Each folder under this can also have it's own templates, so if you right-click Mom's account and select Template and Reply, you can dump the standard stuff and change it to Hi Mom, etc. If you click on Mom's folder and create a message it will use Mom's template, etc. If you want blank templates, clear all the templates for that account, or all accounts. The confusion lies in been able to alter all sorts, etc. It's also possible, and this confused me, to give someone, like Mom, a template in the address book, so when you write to Mom it replaces any template currently been used to that of the one in the address book. this might be the way you want to go firstly. Then you'll just need to alter Mom's folder for the reply template. Because several accounts, and folders can have templates it can be confusing as one over rides the over, however only the address book suddenly confusing things. I set up a folder to filter this email list and I set up a simply template and reply template for it, so this overrides the accounts default template :) I think templates work: Account template, folder template and finally address book template. Address book is also a switch on/off feature. I also think by default a folders templates are Bat's own defaults and not that of the account, however could be wrong. Hope this helps, as the template feature is great IMO, as a new user that I am. Word wrap in an option under Utilities - Auto Wrap. I think it remembers for next time. Charles Collinson -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - Its making me BATTY!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi TBUDL, On 16 February 2002 at 05:07:46 -0500 (which was 10:07 where I live) Lionrhod wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have already tried making a blank page for a template and using that (via Accounts) however the program insists on this one. That won't work. Every time you empty the account template it will restore the default one (the one you don't like). What you want is a truly blank template, for which you need to replace the existing template with the keyword %BLANK. Here's what it says in Help about it: BLANK this macro is used to create a blank template. An empty template will be replaced by the default templates. Use this macro to prevent that 2) How do I word wrap messages while I am replying to them so that I can read the darned letter while I am reading? Set Auto-wrap to On in the editor preferences. As for unwrapped text which you have been sent? You'll have to hit Alt-L per-paragraph to re-wrap the quoted text (or re-educate the senders). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ Think it through ... BrainStorm at http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/39-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8bnxPOeQkq5KdzaARAjuKAJ0cngVC1qgWHvjMmoiW2zQfi2BwUQCgiuxX 77av1yOQyRrWgXuKauMGKz4= =m7vK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - Its making me BATTY!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, February 16, 2002, at 2:07:46 AM PST, Lionrhod wrote: 1) Whether I want it or not, this program wants me to send mail, which, as you see, say Hello _(name/email addy)_ and Best regards, I have already tried making a blank page for a template and using that (via Accounts) however the program insists on this one. Hello Lionrhod, Charles mentioned templates on account, folder, and address book levels. The Quick Templates can be very useful for several reasons as well - for inserting certain information grabbed via macro and/or regular expressions, for group mailing templates, etc. Also - once you get to know TB!'s templates a bit, you'll notice that its list of pre-defined macros are extensive and very useful, as is its ability to handle regular expressions (learn more about those on the TBTECH list). TB!'s template creation/options are really the most flexible I've seen. 2) How do I word wrap messages while I am replying to them so that I can read the darned letter while I am reading? Again - as Charles mentioned - Auto-Wrap wraps to your chosen wrap point as you type. However - there is more to it... If you have Auto-Wrap enabled, but not Auto-Format, if you insert new text into an already formed paragraph, you might need to re-wrap it. The easiest way is to have the cursor focus within the paragraph, and hit the Alt-L keyboard shortcut. If you want it to re-wrap automatically as you type in new words, you can enable Auto-Format as well. However - if you want to make something like a list in the middle of a message while Auto-Format is enabled, you need to temporarily disable A-F, or it will want to force your short lines into one paragraph at your preferred wrap setting. To toggle Auto-Format on and off, just use the Ctrl-Shift-F keyboard shortcut (same shortcut for Quick filter when in the message list/viewer pane). The help files, while improved over what they once were, still fall short of explaining all that TB! is capable of. That's why this - and the other TB! lists - are so helpful. You'll be quite amazed at what TB! is capable of - just stick around here and ask away! :-) Melissa - -- PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=PGP_Keys_8Body=Please%20send%20keys -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE8bpcpjVbXUvsE8ukRAoruAKDi4zig4kUV6OJctD6kPjjOzD9MogCgvlyk +2dOoA30G0z0mcz0hhbCcPE= =o1mS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - Its making me BATTY!
Databug, Well I've spend a few days moving from a complex Agent system to TB and I'm well impressed. Templates, filters make my business and recreation a lot easier now. It's not often you come across good software. Agent still is for News but was lacking with my needs for email, as well as a fast small (semi windows safe alternative). Currently very happy with TB, though there's a few features (minor) I like to see. Waiting for next version before I jump off the blocks though to see what this brings. The Amiga. Hell that's going back a bit. If only it had had the development time and funds these PC's have had. I used the Amiga with Compuserve many years ago. I forget the name of the application I used. I think I used two of them just before CI$ got semi replaced with the Internet, or more common ISP's. Damn fine machine the Amiga - cost me a small fortune in them days :) Sadly had to start programming these PC's, so never used the Amiga for normal ISP email/news. Tried OE very briefly when it came out and went and bought Agent in very short order. Haven't looked back since but waiting for the next version was too much for me and I need better email handling. If TB ever decide to bring news to it's email client as an optional extra, or in built they'll have my vote. Charles Collinson -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
On 12 February 2002 at 9:58 am Steffen wrote: Hi List! I am looking for a new eMail client and so far TheBat looks nice enough. I have one problem though ... how do I have to configure TheBat to download my folders from the IMAP server including the mails inside the folders? Please don't tell me that TheBat is not supporting the whole IMAP protocol! Unfortunately it doesn't - at the moment it treats IMAP4 like POP3 (only 'seeing' the root folder). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
Alastair Scott wrote: Please don't tell me that TheBat is not supporting the whole IMAP protocol! Unfortunately it doesn't - at the moment it treats IMAP4 like POP3 (only 'seeing' the root folder). Thanks for the fast answer. It sparks another question in me ... is there any roadmap or something similar from the developers if and when this might change? Steffen -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
SL I am looking for a new eMail client and so far TheBat looks nice SL enough. I have one problem though ... how do I have to configure SL TheBat to download my folders from the IMAP server including the SL mails inside the folders? Please don't tell me that TheBat is not SL supporting the whole IMAP protocol! Well, it doesn't support using imap folders for mail storage, you need to download the mails. To access other folders on the imap-server, use the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch Mail On Server - All Messages). To add folders to dispatch, choose the mail controller (View - Mail Controller). Here you can subscribe and unsubscribe to imap folders, set destination folders etc. +Lutz -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
On 12 February 2002 at 10:16 am Linke wrote: AS Unfortunately it doesn't - at the moment it treats IMAP4 like POP3 AS (only 'seeing' the root folder). Makes me wonder, why I'm able to download my server-rule-sorted mails from various folders ;) Honestly: I guess the Mail Controller/Dispatcher isn't that well documented, but just give it a try. For me it works. Mine definitely won't do this - I've tried many times and all that is ever visible is the Inbox although there are both personal folders and common (company-wide) folders on the server :/ (It may well be undocumented = doesn't work very well so isn't emphasised ... on the [tbbeta] mailing list there've been various discussions in the past about IMAP and TLS/SSL* working, or not working, depending on the server at the far end). Alastair * new in the 1.54 betas. This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
Hi, On Tuesday, February 12, 2002, 11:29:09 AM, Alastair Scott wrote: Mine definitely won't do this - I've tried many times and all that is ever visible is the Inbox although there are both personal folders and common (company-wide) folders on the server :/ I also don't get it to see IMAP folders within my fastmail.fm account. I've tried everything: entering folder names manually, changing the mask and the paths - nothing works. Creating folders works, yet the Bat doesn't even see those. :( Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/39 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: New User - IMAP Folders?`
Linke Lutz wrote: Well, it doesn't support using imap folders for mail storage, you need to download the mails. To access other folders on the imap-server, use the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch Mail On Server - All Messages). To add folders to dispatch, choose the mail controller (View - Mail Controller). Here you can subscribe and unsubscribe to imap folders, set destination folders etc. Hm, to be honest (and blunt) ... that sucks. Unfortunatly the program really looks nice and I would like to use it but I have about 40 folders on my server. Having to manually subscribe each one of them on every machine I want to read my mail from AND having to manually get the mails in the folder every time I want to access them makes the program unusable for me. One can only hope that in the future this will be solved. So far I have found only Outlook and Mozilla being able to just download the folder list and display it. Steffen -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS
Hello ETM, It was foretold that on Sunday, December 2, 2001 at 02:48 GMT -0500, ETM [E] would type: E First hitch: Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB? I think OE can export to .eml files, right? If so, then just rename the .eml files to .msg (I have a VBScript to automate the renaming process, let me know if you're interested.) You can import .msg files quite easily. E I know where the approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I E cannot get the Mail Import Wizard to accept the location. Is it E because I am not yet working with a registered program or is it the E OE version? TB's trial is fully functional. It must be the OE version. You seem to deal with a lot of mail in archives. For that task, many people on another list swear by a program called Mailbag Assistant http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/index.html. It works with many mailers, including OE and TB. The list where I first heard about it is the Power Tools Software list on Yahoo groups. You can check out the webpage at http://www.tr1be.com/powertools/index.html The owner occasionally runs contests for members. You should ask him about this month's contest and promotions. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/14 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A Trigonometry for farmers: swine and cowswine. -- Erland G. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS
Hello ETM, 1. december 2001, 21:32:25, you wrote: I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the BAT? Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the BAT? I don't know about any size limitation, but I do find The Bat faster with large amounts of messages than OE. I remember that OE became very slow (up to 5 seconds to open) with around 500 messages in one folder, while TB displays folder with 6000 messages (threaded) in 2 seconds on my computer (AMD 800, 256 MB ram). Note that on importing, you may loose some messages - when I went from OE to TB, I had about 5000 messages there, and I found 4 messages corrupted. I tend to use mail as a filing system, maintain many folders/filters (and successfully set them up this morning in the BAT and they are properly working). OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders using simple search terms and different fields. Is there a similar search capability for mail filed in the BAT? TB has search capactibility for either one folder (with or w/o subfolders), whole account or all accounts. You can choose where to search, but you can't define separate strings to search for in different fields (the string will be searched for in all selected fields). You can use and | as boolean search operators, or use regular expressions for advanced searches. See Tools - Search for more info. In regard to the BAT's treatment of attachments, I have always filtered attachments in OE as a protective mechanism because of its vulnerabilities to problems. From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of attachments. How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem attachments? I noticed that ZA renamed/disarmed an attachment downloaded into BAT this AM, but wasn't positive that the mail program itself also hadn't done something to render the attachment harmless. TB doesn't change the attachments. It won't execute them automatically, and will warn you if the attachment is potentially dangerous. I use Win98SE, will probably remain with IE5.50, although I might experiment with Opera, and maintain an AV program and use Zone-Alarm-Pro since I am on cable connection. I replaced ZoneAlarm with Tiny Personal Firewall, because: - ZoneAlarm took too many resources - I didn't like it's yellow color :) And I'm a long time Opera user (since 3.50). I just can't browse without MDI anymore :) -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/14 on Windows 98 4.10.67766222. ] Always remember to pillage before you burn. -- Attila's Instruction -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS
Hello ETM, On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 15:32 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking ETM [E] wrote: E I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the E BAT? There should be no problem doing that. Check out Tools - Import Wizard. E Is there any size limitation, beyond my own PC, to mail held in the E BAT? Not that I know of. Each folder in TB is a different message base. If you notice a folder is too slow, you can just split the messages into two (or more) folders and the speed should be improved. Also, make sure you use the Purge all folders option regularly. When you delete a message, it is only marked as deleted. When you use the Compress option, the deleted messages are actually removed. The Purge option applies the limits you might have defined in the folder properties and then runs the compress option. E OE permits searching from the top or from the individual folders E using simple search terms and different fields. Is there a similar E search capability for mail filed in the BAT? The general search tool can be accessed by pressing F7. It can do what you're asking. TB also offers a quick search tool. In the message list, just start typing the word/name you're looking for and the first match will be automatically selected. To move to the next match, just hit CTRL-Enter. This tool is limited to only the current folder. E From one point I could more effectively handle treatment of E attachments. How does the BAT handle attachments, especially problem E attachments? TB can warn against or disable execution of predefined file-types. Check out: Options - Preferences - Warnings E I used four accounts, one with my cable system, three via yahoo pop3 E download, into OE. I would like a similar set-up for the BAT. TB has the nicest multiple account handling of any mail program I've seen. Each account is essentially completely separate from every other account, though you can filter from one account to another account's folders. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal Using The Bat! 1.54 Beta/14 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A This sentence lets you know this page was not a mistake. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS
First hitch: Is OE 5.50 (not listed) exportable to TB? I know where the approximately 200 dbx files (about 3 Gig) are, I cannot get the Mail Import Wizard to accept the location. Is it because I am not yet working with a registered program or is it the OE version? I'd like to see if this works before I register. Elaine - Original Message - From: Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ETM [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 4:08 PM Subject: Re: NEW USER QUESTIONS Hello ETM, On Saturday, December 1, 2001 at 15:32 GMT -0500, a creature mimicking ETM [E] wrote: E I have about 3 Gig of email in my OE. Can that be imported into the E BAT? There should be no problem doing that. Check out Tools - Import Wizard. snip _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: new user *to the group*
Hello Jennifer, Monday, April 23, 2001, 1:00:22 PM, you wrote: JL I cannot get it to operate, i.e. receive/send messages. So I JL contacted the Web site to get some Help. There was none. The only JL offering was this discussion group (which isn't even sponsored by JL the company). So I contacted the group with my same questions. I JL have received 20 messages in my In Box since then. I did not JL realize that I was going to receive all emails on all topics from JL all users all the time. I do not want this at all. I want only to JL a) to get this system operable on my computer or b) find out how JL to safely and thoroughly uninstall it so that I can go hassle with JL Eudora again. I see that you still use Eudora, so I guess that you have not been able to send and recieve with The Bat! yet? Have you been able to make an account? In that case you right click on the account name, choose Properties and click on Transport in the menu that appears. Check that you have correct settings for smpt-server, pop-server, username and password. If you do not have an account yet: make one by selecting Account New on the meny bar and follow the instructions. Then check Options, Network and administration to select connection via local network or via Windows Dial Up. Then do you see the blue box with an arrow pointing in. Use this to collect mail and use the green box to send mail if you have put mail in the que. The keybord combination Alt-F2 make both at the sam time. If you still do have trouble, please tell us the more specific nature of it. One of the great features of The Bat! is the folder system and filtering. I have made a special folder for this mailing list and made a filter to direct all messages into that folder. This is quite necessary to free up the inbox for more private messages. Select Account, Sorting Office/Filters, Incoming Mail, New. Enter TBUDL in the open space for filtering strings and click the tree icon besides the field for Move messages. Press new to make a new folder, name it TBUDL and select this. If you want to quit the list altogether, there is a link at the bottom of this message, but think twice. Though the traffic is a bit overwhelming, here are meny very helpful and knowledgable persons here that will help you to make The Bat! work very well for you. -- Best regards, Ottar Grimstad, Norway mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.online.no/~ottgrims Using The Bat! 1.51 on Windows 98 version 4,10 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New User : the Mail Ticker does not appear anymore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Olivier, On 17 April 2001 at 18:02:26 +0200 (which was 17:02 where I live) Olivier Mascia wrote to TBUDL and made these points: OM First problem : the Mail Ticker does not appear anymore. OM I checked in the Options menu : Mail Ticker is set to Show OM Automatically. Also, the Show unread messages on MailTicker is OM checked for all folders. OM What could explain this behaviour ? What can sometime cause this is that the ticker has been moved to a position whereby it is off-screen. Some jigging in the registry is one way of bringing back to visibility. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA / TBTECH [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [Any opinions are my own and not those of RIT labs ] TB! v1.52 Beta/5/iKey1000 S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8ckt (build 04) Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness iQA/AwUBOtxsKjnkJKuSnc2gEQKmWACgpjFTreOUGivW8WtsC5+AKl898iIAn35g aBdhFOmhYe6TfOGu9OR8k1Yi =1hS2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, I have a question
This message: 19/09/2000 13:03 GMT. Hello David, A reminder of what David ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 19 September 2000 at 13:20:54 GMT +1000 D My question is: Can I put "Reading confirmation" in the templates? Account / Properties / Templates / Reading Confirmation. You can compose the template any way you wish. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.47 Beta/3 S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, I have a question
Hello David, Responding to your article on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 13:20:54 GMT +1000 (which was 19/09/2000 10:20 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : D My question is: Can I put "Reading confirmation" in the templates? Have you try %READCONFIRM ? -- Best regards, - Syafril - Name : Syafril Hermansyah |Company: Duta Integrasi Pratama Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Voice : (62) (21) 385-1600 FAXto : (62)(21)351-9241 key:000FAX |URL: http://www.dutaint.co.id Using The Bat! 1.47 Beta/1 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 Created : Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 10:23:00 GMT +0700 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, I have a question
Hello Syafril, Tuesday, September 19, 2000, 1:23:35 PM, you wrote: SH Hello David, SH Responding to your article on Tuesday, September 19, 2000 at 13:20:54 SH GMT +1000 (which was 19/09/2000 10:20 GMT +0700 my Local Time) : D My question is: Can I put "Reading confirmation" in the templates? SH Have you try %READCONFIRM ? Thanks, I'll try that. -- Cheers, David in Australia mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hallo Karin, this is the night shift, and I usually only get to see interesting threads after they have been dead-horsed. so I guess I'm lucky this time. :-) On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 04:57:18 +0200 GMT (17/09/2000, 10:57 +0800 GMT), Karin Spaink wrote: KS It can -- and should -- distinguish one paragraph from the other by a CR. No empty line should be needed. KS KS In my country, you don't. And in my book, you don't either. This may well be your personal preference, I think it is not a country standard. Is it only me, or is this thread about editor preferences? No, Steve, mentioned the same. Well, the editor is not going to change, as the developers concentrate on the email funcitonality. However, a version 2 is in preparation, and this one will allow you to choose your preferred external editor. Yes, you will be able to make it the default, so it will fire up every time you create a new mail, or reply to a mail. KS So I came here. And now you say I can't say chili peppers? I think there is a difference between an email client acting up as a nanny, and a mailing list on the family channel. ;-) KS KS Comfort me. I want a pat for all my brave exploring... :-0 KS You're doing fine. You're suffering from withdrawal and culture shock. I'll join Marck here. Also, kindly try exploring why there is a blank in front of the "" of your replies. Did you do that on purpose? Because it messses up my colour coding: replies (anything that has a "" character as one of the first 20 characters in the line) is shown in red instead of blue, so I can easily distinguish the new stuff. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hallo Karin, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 03:58:23 +0200 GMT (17/09/2000, 09:58 +0800 GMT), Karin Spaink wrote: KS TB! loves to count replies for some reason. KS Ouch. I was hoping that it was a glitch in the mailing KS list software, but since I read that the mailinglist KS was run through TB I feared that it was a TB habit. KS I'm not going to switich OS in order to find the perfect mail client ;-) No need. Just add "%Singlere" to your Reply Templates. I wish it would be added as default, and reply counting a feature. KS Of course, falls back to my whole "should use an external editor KS in the first place" kick. KS Ah, seems I touched a nerve ;-) One that was resolved a long time ago. See my other mail. KS BIG HINT TO AUTHORS AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE: Notice here he(?) KS She. Pic at http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/images/write.html Do you know this one: http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/rogues.html I don't know who keeps it updated now, maybe Marck? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On this one point, in the PGP-Basics newsgroup, a contributor using GnuPG (through Linux) found that his signature couldn't be verified by The Bat, whereas it showed up as "good" using a wide range of mailers and even through PGPtray. The problem appears to be with his comment line, which had two Tabs in it. These were converted to 16 spaces by The Bat, which messed up his signature and The Bat couldn't verify it through its internal processes. As this did not happen with other mailers, I would suggest that The Bat needs to be brought into line by a fix so that its handling of PGP is the same for all messages. On the subject of PGP, I cannot get PGP 2.6.3ai to be recognised by The Bat, even though I can use it through Windows front ends such as PGPClick and MailPGP quite easily. The Bat's inbuilt PGP routines use my 2.6.3ai keyring successfully and show encryption/signing with PGP 2.6 Can anybody shed any light on this? Graham *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 16/09/00 at 20:36 Januk Aggarwal wrote: The one thing I really like about TB's TAB is that the TAB is replaced by an equivalent number of spaces. I have seen so many editors treat a tab character in so many different ways that I've totally stopped using the TAB key. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: Encrypted with PGP Plugin for Calypso iQA/AwUBOcRntS7i2PqZ2xC9EQIU1wCgsPCJFZDMegkF3Gkw1ngjPeIgI3MAoOGe VvtXOYz0feFiI6D2h6aIqlkN =OVTc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Thomas Fernandez, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:18:17 +0800 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, September 17, 2000, 1:18:17 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Thomas Fernandez wrote: this is the night shift, and I usually only get to see interesting threads after they have been dead-horsed. so I guess I'm lucky this time. :-) due partly to the time difference. They fight when we sleep... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello tracer, On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 14:56:07 GMT +0700 (which was 12:56 AM where I live) witnesses say tracer typed: due partly to the time difference. They fight when we sleep... Why do you need to sleep? g -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.46c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hallo Januk, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 01:09:59 -0700 GMT (17/09/2000, 16:09 +0800 GMT), Januk Aggarwal wrote: due partly to the time difference. They fight when we sleep... JA Why do you need to sleep? g Old habit. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 08:59:50PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: The origin of this behaviour that is present in most Windows based editors that may have reason to use is pretty much besides the point. The reality is that if you are developing an application for Windows users then you are faced with this unfortunate fact and that is that most are accustomed to a certain behaviour or functionality. Which still doesn't make it a standard. What what is coding to is perceptions, not a standard. And 99% of what an editor does, IMHO, isn't even in that perception. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 03:58:23AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: Ah, seems I touched a nerve ;-) Nerve, no. Stabbed the spinal cord? Yes. Currently, for mail, I use the inbuilt Eudora one. But no, I wouldn't mind using Notepad as an editor, but I sure as hell don't want to need to invoke it myself. My mail client should. Which is what every mail client and most BBSs did before Windows came along. It is, quite frankly, how it should have been done before the utter force-fed crap that Microsoft has foisted on the masses as "easy". Don't use me for your own war, I'll refuse ;-) I'd rather that somebody address the overkill issue. Which I am doing. Here it is, if the client called an external editor you could define what features you wanted by calling a different editor. This leaves the authors of the mail client free to /FIX/ problems in their client. Not that *cough*IMAP*cough* TB has any *COUGH*poor filter dialog*COUGH* any, more mail or UI *cough*lack of inheiretance*cough* that needs to be addressed. To not undo your CR and TAB? _That_ is what YTB is currently doing. I get kicked back to the previous line. I find that unacceptable. Turn off auto-format. My editors don't do that, when using TB! it doesn't do that. When I tell it to reflow a paragraph it does. However, I don't have that turned on by default. I'd not complain about something you're telling it to do. For advanced eatures: granted. But I wouldn't call allowing CR TAB advanced. I would call auto-reformat advanced. Don't like it, shut it off. On paper, yes. In electronic mail, no. Says you. Besides, national habits and styles notwithstanding, who is my mail client to tell me what _my_ mails should look like? No, says the online community which has been going on for 20+ years now. As I said, you are now in the ONLINE culture. It isn't national by any means, it is its own culture. As for your question your mail client is doing it because: A: it has a built in editor when it shouldn't. B: You've chosen to tell it to tell you. Yes. Notepad will do. Of course there are more alternatives than Notepad. Take a look at the editors section of www.winfiles.com sometime. They had to split it into three sections because it is so large. I find it amazing that the basic text editor is one of the most fundimental interfaces into the computer that people will have yet most people never think to get something that suits their needs in 90% of the cases in one editor. Alas most of the people who don't look for an editor that suits the majority of their work also are the same people who will suffer with the crap $20 keyboard and $10 mouse that the brand name manufacturers will foist on them. *shrug* I dont want fancy stuff. I just want to be able to set my line length, my tabs, use CR's at will, have Ctrl-Z and that is basically it. I don't want another word porcessor. I have one. In my mail I want a simple text editor, and I won't mind it at all if I can use the plain text editors that I already have, Exactly. And you'd most likely be more productive because you would know what the capabilities were. That is why I'd love to use VIM and the more and more I don't use TB! at home and use Mutt which calls VIM the more I lean towards dropping TB! completely because my editing goes so much faster in VIM. The /ONLY/ thing I miss in VIM is the auto-spellchecking. All the other features of VIM are far superior to TB!'s editor it isn't even funny. Of course the fact I use this editor for configuration file editing, coding, mail news writing and many, many other uses has something to do with that. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:21:01AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: Is it now. Yes, it has been explained to you several times. I have been on the net for six years and nobody ever told me that they were aggreviated by the fact that I use a proportional font to compose in and read my and theirs contributions with. Most likely because you weren't trying to do anything more advanced than set up a lunch date. And if I may be so bold to ask -- isn't the whole point of _not_ sending html and stylized shit that this allows end users to see what they get the way they want to see it? Yup. So tell me, which perportional font do you use? Is that different than the font I use? Yes? Then why are you trying to impose your stylize poo onto me? Isn't html meant to be just _structure_ which each end-user can apply their own lay-out to? Nope. What layout? Nonsense. What you are saying is that everybody should send their mail in stylized text or html with css, because only that way that get to see it as _you_ meant it. Ands last time I checked with RFC's, that was not the general idea. No, I am saying that everyone should send in plain text, fixed-width font because unlike perportional fonts and HTML/CSS that is the /ONLY/ way the sender and receiver can see the same thing, EVER. I can see you .sig fine, thank you. Eudora _does_ aloow me to switch from prop. view to fixed view at the press of a button. Bully for it. Too bad that it doesn't do the right thing and keep you in fixed-width font so other people don't have to see your poorly formatted documents. I got loads of mail too. And yes, I want to have an unobtrusive warning if any of my fave mailinglist have new contributions, and of course my known contacts get filtered into their appropriate mailboxes. You do have one. Look at the folder list. WOW, it's highlighted, it has new mail! Hey, in the "new mail" column it has 8. That means 8 new mail in that folder! But if you'd think a bit beyond that, you'd understand that my inbox is the designated place for unexpected mail, and I would like to be automatically pointed there. Why? Why would you want to point to unexpected mail instead of expected mail? lus, I would like to have some kind of overview: Look at the folder list. By gosh-golly-gundrops, IT IS AN OVERVIEW! You don't know what a lack of an overview is until you've use mutt or pine and tried to tell the olympic class yoyos who use it that you'd like an overview and they point out that have a button to go to the next folder with unread messages in it. think that the mailbox-list overview works -- especially since I tend to mark mail-to-be-replied-to or -to-be-attended-to later as 'unmarked'. They will show as nee. Exit overview. Look at the pretty numbers. I do the same thing and I always know where new mail is. In fact, I've been doing it that way for 5 years across two accounts. If course with TB! (Or Eudora if I were ever inclined to use that non-threaded dungheap) I'd just use colors to denote that. If you are filtering then your mail isn't going to the inbox and, again, there is no need for it. Why do I suddenly get the idea that you're arrogant? Took you that long, did it? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:29:33AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: At 20:15 16-09-2000 -0500, A. Curtis Martin kindly wrote: SL Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced SL features of an editor. She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such. I have. I use multiple accounts, I am filtering excessively, I am making standard replies and templates and what have you. Pst. He was refering to advanced features in the editor. It is not. Try using notepad, hit Enter and then Tab, and type. Will your soursor move up one line and undo your enter? Doesn't do that for me in TB! either. Of course I'm not big on the computer doing something when I don't tell it to. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:41:42AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: 'Cept that I don;'t always read on the spot, and then new massages get added to old (unread) messages. That's where new and old start getting diffuse. I don;t want that. I want my mailer to say that I've recieved do many here and w\so may there. Sorry, I don't buy it. Just look at the numbers and get over it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
This message: 17/09/2000 10:22 GMT. Hello Marck, A reminder of what Marck ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 00:27:18 GMT +0100 MDP Correct. This is not a bug. This is TB's (love it or hate .. and I MDP personally love it) "virtual space". Place the cursor anywhere on the MDP page, start typing and it will stick. It is, IMHO, the right way for MDP fixed pitch WYSIWYG plain text editing to work. There are others who MDP disagree about this but they have, so far, been unable to persuade the MDP authors to make it optional. When I first started using TB! I personally had a great deal of trouble getting used to this. After a while it becomes second nature and I now struggle with other application that behave "Normally". Stick with it and like Mark, myself and many others, I'm sure you'll come to love it. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46c S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Karin Spaink ! On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 00:29:40 +0200 GMT your local time, which was 17.09.2000, 00:29 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote: KS Since I don't like the way that my fave e-mail KS program Eudora is heading, I decided to try The KS Bat for a while. It looks very much like the mail KS client I might switch to, but after fiddling with KS it for a while - and checking the FAQ and the help KS files - I still have a couple of questions. snip - From what I read in this thread, TB! seems not to be your favourite client ?! You apologize for being demanding; well, it's ok being demanding, but you have to look for the right adress: neither the moderators nor Steve are the programmers (please correct me someone if I'm wrong). I suggest you list all corrections, additional features a.s.o to send them to RITLABS. You won't change TB! by demanding these things from other users. - -- Best regards, Gerd == Using The Bat! Version 1.46c - I didn't write this; a very complex macro did. - -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOcSQqky/sHrVbGGHEQLlGQCfcfzFVOrM/DhQI0e0we5GdiAQCvkAnjoK nHUgf1acGEoRVwMCqDaB/5k7 =ev1y -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 10:25:46AM +0100, Tony Boom wrote: Stick with it and like Mark, myself and many others, I'm sure you'll come to love it. Wow, that's what, the 5th one now? Sheesh. Hello, I stick with it and after 18 months I still hate it. Some people just don't like the computer doing something without explicit instructions. This is one case. Put the cursor where it is supposed to go, durn it! -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 9:01 AM or thereabouts, Dierk Haasis wrote the following about New user, lotsa questions: DH I am usually not the one to get personal on this list but ... DH can't you as a professional writer not find other ways to DH express your feelings? Isn't that what writing - especially good DH writing - is all about? You know, for people who claim to be so all-fired offended by a word here and there and who can't wait to take someone to task over it in this public forum, y'all certainly seem to enjoy repeating it over and over by pasting it into your messages. For cripe's sake ... even if it did offend me (which it doesn't) I'd have to admit that it's been addressed, not once but twice, by the moderators now, who went to great pains to say, "Hey, we're handling it," so why not just leave it the frel alone. (Farscape reference for any fans out there). Chuck -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Chuck Mattsen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mindspring.com/~mattsen =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Random Thought/Quote for this Message: The greater the ignorance, the greater the dogmatism. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
This message: 17/09/2000 15:42 GMT. Hello Januk, A reminder of what Januk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 01:09:59 GMT -0700 JA Why do you need to sleep? g I have a week old baby keeps asking me the same question :-) -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46c S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
This message: 17/09/2000 16:22 GMT. Hello Steve, A reminder of what Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 05:12:02 GMT -0700 SL Hello, I stick with it and after 18 months I still hate it. So can we assume you won't be buying the company? -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46c S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
This message: 17/09/2000 15:51 GMT. Hello Gerd, A reminder of what Gerd ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 12:36:32 GMT +0200 in relation to Karin. GE - From what I read in this thread, TB! seems not to be your favourite client ?! I have to agree with Gerd and I get the impression (Although I may be wrong) that you are trying to provoke inflamed tempers. Members of this list are very sympathetic to new TB users and they have the same attitude to users who have been using TB for years. I for one never feel any embarrassment when asking something that may seem so simple to others on this list. It is in the interest of everyone on this list to promote TB and to provide as many answers as possible. I feel your attitude maybe, despite the amount of people that have tried to help you, a little too aggressive for a newcomer. You are quite clearly not impressed with TB so may I direct you to this site. http://www.softwareblast.com/ Here your will find literally dozens of email clients one of which is bound to be to your liking. You won't however find such a helpful user group for ANY of them. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46c S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:01:18 +0200, Fred van Veen wrote: S Most likely because you weren't trying to do anything more advanced than S set up a lunch date. FvV You are very wrong here (and very arrogant too! (why?)) moderator hat on I have to agree with you here Fred. One of the list rules states: 3. Do not turn a discussion into a slanging match by resorting to personal insults and/or derogatory remarks. His statement is clearly in breach of this rule and a warning has been issued. moderator hat off - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Point not found. A)bort, R)eread, I)gnore. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcTop/AXeSHuB5k3EQL78QCgqKvm3HiahuJ2Qf+OOhSotFEY61UAn0R6 Op5O7M4beKyjBofxXT9zqm7+ =DTZB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Chuck, On 17 September 2000 at 09:54:01 GMT -0500 (which was 15:54 where I live) Chuck Mattsen wrote and made these points on the subject of "New user, lotsa questions": CM You know, for people who claim to be so all-fired offended by a CM word here and there and who can't wait to take someone to task CM over it in this public forum, y'all certainly seem to enjoy CM repeating it over and over by pasting it into your messages. Thank you, Chuck. Quite correct. I have been at pains to censor such expletives with surreptitious use of *'s and would request that anyone who feels the need to leap to the defence of the morality of the list should take similar care when quoting (and before anyone tries to get "clever" about it, yes I did say the same to Allie who is new in the job so cut him some slack, okay? g) CM ... so why not just leave it the frel alone. (Farscape reference CM for any fans out there). You can count me in on that one, Sparky ;-)! - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: Genetics explain why you look like your father and if you don't why you should. TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcTrxjnkJKuSnc2gEQII2ACfTcv12QbA4pXb7QQLXJqRpfatgo0AoLT0 IGYRddd4eSj3TWkFYiDH8MDY =/q+C -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 04:22:29PM +0100, Tony Boom wrote: SL Hello, I stick with it and after 18 months I still hate it. So can we assume you won't be buying the company? You never know. If that is the only way to get that lame-duck feature removed I might just do that. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 10:52:07AM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: S Most likely because you weren't trying to do anything more advanced S set up a lunch date. FvV You are very wrong here (and very arrogant too! (why?)) moderator hat on I have to agree with you here Fred. One of the list rules states: 3. Do not turn a discussion into a slanging match by resorting to personal insults and/or derogatory remarks. His statement is clearly in breach of this rule and a warning has been issued. moderator hat off curmudgeon Apparently you don't know the meaning of insult and/or derotatry remarks. Here, let me give you an example. When you put your moderator hat on why is it, white, point and have the word dunce on it? That concludes my example. Now, care to give a rebuttal on how setting a lunch date is as derogatory as that? /curmudgeon hat -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Dierk Haasis, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 16:01:04 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, September 17, 2000, 9:01:04 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Dierk Haasis wrote: Hello Karin! Sunday, September 17, 2000, 4:57:18 AM, you wrote: client. So I came here. And now you say I can't say chili peppers? Fuck. I am usually not the one to get personal on this list but ... can't you as a professional writer not find other ways to express your feelings? Isn't that what writing - especially good writing - is all about? Or ... are you ...? Being Dutch myself and luckily for many years in the situation where I donot have to read what the goverment considers to be 'writers' or look at what they consider 'painters', subsidised by our wasted tax money, I can asure you that there ware very few real good writers in the Netherlands... One of the reasons I started to read mainly English while at school as I read a lot and it was virutally impossible to find anything I liked. Secondly there was this generation of writers growning farms of 'chili peppers' like steve grows horses if he forgets himself (g). 'if it doesnt have peppers nobody wants to read it' (g) While I have been years away from the Netherlands I would say chances we have here a famous writer fighting with the Bat are about the same as me winning the Thai corrupt lottery.. Best regards, tracer PS, My website has undergone a chance, from being a total disaster it now at looks like a website, still no data and addresses there... As you may guess as I am absolutely not artistic its not my doing it now looks better, its a kind of exchange of services (g) -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Fred van Veen, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 17:01:18 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, September 17, 2000, 10:01:18 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Fred van Veen wrote: Karin is a Dutch Journalist and probably one of the most mailed persons (including lots of hate mails) here in the Netherlands. So what? This an international mailing list. Nothing to do with whats she writes or not in some Dutch rag. Most had an extreemly limited choice of words from what I remember... On the other hand it seems to me we are well headed to a farm of dead horses Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Tony Boom, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:42:32 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Sunday, September 17, 2000, 9:42:32 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tony Boom wrote: This message: 17/09/2000 15:42 GMT. Hello Januk, A reminder of what Januk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 17 September 2000 at 01:09:59 GMT -0700 JA Why do you need to sleep? g I donot have to, it just happens sometimes. ALSO to some customers amusement when installing a windows... I have a week old baby keeps asking me the same question :-) Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
At 14:18 17-09-2000 +0800, Thomas Fernandez kindly wrote: Karin Spaink wrote: this is the night shift, and I usually only get to see interesting threads after they have been dead-horsed. so I guess I'm lucky this time. :-) 'Cept that meanwhile I went to bed and missed the night shift ;-) Is it only me, or is this thread about editor preferences? No, Steve, mentioned the same. Well, the editor is not going to change, as the developers concentrate on the email funcitonality. However, a version 2 is in preparation, and this one will allow you to choose your preferred external editor. Doesn anybody have any idea when version 2 will be released? Also, kindly try exploring why there is a blank in front of the "" of your replies. Did you do that on purpose? No. I apologize: I have been fiddling with my eudora.ini and something got messed up. It should be fuxed now: mai that I send to myself looks fine. Will you please tell me when it is still inserting spaces before chevrons? - K - -- "When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'" - Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
At 14:25 17-09-2000 +0800, Thomas Fernandez kindly wrote: Karin Spaink wrote: KS TB! loves to count replies for some reason. Just add "%Singlere" to your Reply Templates. I wish it would be added as default, and reply counting a feature. Excellent. Thank you. - K - -- "When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'" - Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hallo Karin, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 20:35:42 +0200 GMT (18/09/2000, 02:35 +0800 GMT), Karin Spaink wrote: KS Doesn anybody have any idea when version 2 will be released? Do you have another question? g "Anytime soon." Remember Xanadu: within the next six months. Check out The Interview: http://www.marckp.redhotant.com/thebat/interview.html KS Also, kindly try exploring why there is a blank KS in front of the "" of your replies. Did you do that on purpose? KS No. I apologize: I have been fiddling with my KS eudora.ini and something got messed up. It should be KS fuxed now: mai that I send to myself looks fine. Will KS you please tell me when it is still inserting spaces before chevrons? Still there. OK, 3am, bed time for me. Good night! -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46c under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello John, On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 14:33:45 GMT +0100 (which was 6:33 AM where I live) witnesses say John Rainer typed: Thanks for the info, Marck, but I've tried the autoformat options and it still irritates. Pasting large amounts of text near the end of a line, in particular, always leaves a line outstanding Marck posted a bug report about this some time ago. It got much debate, some thought it was correct, others not. I don't think there was any consensus. But, lets not start that debate again, please? If there is a way to alter the default template settings, I wish I knew it before I had set up six accounts :( Unfortunately, no. What I have done is set up all my templates in Quick templates. Then my account default templates only require one line: %QInclude="Template Handle" The biggest time savings comes when I change something in my template. It automatically propagates through all accounts and all folders. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.46c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Karin Spaink, On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 21:19:35 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Monday, September 18, 2000, 2:19:35 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Karin Spaink wrote: At 16:01 17-09-2000 +0200, Dierk Haasis kindly wrote: Another reason is that TB's editor seems to have acquired religious status here: there are staunch defendors who will say that perseverance will bring enlightenment, while others grab a comment on TB's editor and use it in their personal crusade. Such ritual fights tend to irritate me. Personally I have stayed more or less out of editor fights as I find my usage in emails is fairly basic and while the bat isnt my favorite neither would others which have been proposed. If v2 ever comes out I likely will use whatever external editor I like best and which works smoothest Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.46 Beta/3 with Windows NT mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com Our special website hosting/mailservers are now operational -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Karin, On Saturday, September 16, 2000 at 00:29:40 GMT +0200 (which was 3:29 PM where I live) witnesses say Karin Spaink typed: I decided to try The Bat for a while. Welcome. It looks very much like the mail client I might switch to, but after fiddling with it for a while - and checking the FAQ and the help files - I still have a couple of questions. We'll take a crack at them. This is the place to ask. 1. If you move your cursor down in the window in which you are editing your mail (e.g. move it down to the next empty line), it goes down but stays in the same column (read: horizontal axis) and doesn't go to the beginning of the line or the last words in it, Yes, this is because TB supports a free caret interface. With this interface, you can use arrow keys or the mouse to put your cursor anywhere and start typing. This really helps when you're doing tables or lists. I might give an example later in this message, we'll see. as it should (since the space after the last words is empty and not filled with trailing spaces). Is this a bug, or a feature that can be turned off? It's not a bug and it can not be turned off. If you get used to hitting the home and end keys, I think you'll find it pretty convenient. I'm at the point where editors that *don't* support free caret interfaces are really annoying. 2. The tab. When I have "auto-format" on - I want to, I like it, I need it because I rewrite a lot - I can't seem to add a new parapraph to a section. New paragraphs need a blank line between them. This makes your message more readable. Also this is necessary due to the way TB handles text editing. TB is a WYSIWYG text editor. What this means is the end of a line within a paragraph is marked by the same codes as any other end of line. So the auto-format tool looks for two end of line markings in a row to denote a new paragraph. I can't seem to start on a new bit of the quoted conversation on a new line; only when I add a blank line. This is as it should be given TB's implementation. See above for details. To work around this, you might want to get familiar with the ctrlshiftf shortcut. This toggles the auto-format feature on and off. I only turn on the auto-format feature when I'm going back to rework a paragraph. But if I want to make a list, then I turn it off. With the auto format feature on, you can't do the following. 1. Answer e-mail 2. Show off free caret power 3. Send mail 4. Enjoy. 3. The cookie file is a great feature and allows for rotating signatures. The help file is however not too helpful as to the format of the cookie file. After some experimenting, I discovered that each entry should have a line of its own, no line-breaks, and no empty lines between entries. But the cookies show up in one unbroken line whenever I start composing an e-mail or hit reply. How do you make your cookie-entries wrap? In an individual cookie, you can tell TB to insert a line break by using '\n'. If you put the following in your cookie file: Personal Plan:\n To avoid lucidity, clarity and sanity at all costs. It would be inserted as: Personal Plan: To avoid lucidity, clarity and sanity at all costs. 4. Although The Bat claims to have "HTML auto view" and while I have Options -- HTML auto view on, I get to see all the html-mail as plain text, tags included. Is this mail that you imported from Eudora? I think Eudora does some weird things to HTML mail so that it can not be imported correctly. If you get new HTML mail, it should be presented correctly. Note that TB will not go out onto the net to get image files for you. This is a web browser's job, and so TB will only display images that are sent along with the message. As a result, you may prefer to turn off HTML auto-view. Then when you get HTML mail, just double click on the icon in the message view pane. You'll be sent to your default browser to view the HTML properly. 5. When will the developpers add proportional fonts? I _hate_ proportional. Suddenly my mail looks ugly.(Yes, I saw the workaround in the FAQ, and I might try it, but I like Arial best). We're just going over this in another thread. From A. Curtis Martin's message from Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:22:51 -0500, Subject: Re: Reasons why html mail shouldn't be used ACM Note however, that TB!'s editor cannot use a variable width font ACM even if you force it to via the registry hack. Everything looks like ACM gibberish. I'm quite sure that it has to do with the free caret ACM interface. You'll notice that with the editor, you may place your cursor ACM anywhere in the editor window and start typing. The character positions ACM seem to be already mapped out in a grid type fashion. A fixed width font ACM makes this possible. 6. Why isn't the "Find" utility listed under the Tools menu? As of now, one can only find it in the Icon toolbar. It is, Tools - Search 7. I'd like to be able
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hi Karin Spaink, On Sunday, September 17, 2000 at 12:29:40 AM you wrote: 1. If you move your cursor down in the window in which you are editing your mail (e.g. move it down to the next empty line), it goes down but stays in the same column (read: horizontal axis) and doesn't go to the beginning of the line or the last words in it, as it should (since the space after the last words is empty and not filled with trailing spaces). Is this a bug, or a feature that can be turned off? There's been a lot of discussion about this over time, and yes it's a feature, but no, it can't be turned off now. It's promised for V2, IIRC. 2. The tab. When I have "auto-format" on - I want to, I like it, I need it because I rewrite a lot - I can't seem to add a new parapraph to a section.Nor can I end a paragraph, give a tab for indent, and continue: (example: this). See? The Bat's editor automatically purges the carriage return and moves the "tabthis" (see above) back to the end of the previous line. Lots of discussion here, too. The current workaround suggested by some is to turn auto-format/wrap functions on and off while typing using the keyboard shortcuts. The current function works on the assumption that a new paragraph is started after an empty line. Or look at my garbled .sig: I can't seem to start on a new bit of the quoted conversation on a new line; only when I add a blank line. As long as you don't edit your .sig manually, it shouldn't be touched by the formatting functions. 3. How do you make your cookie-entries wrap? Insert "\n" (without the quotes) in the places where it should wrap. 4. Although The Bat claims to have "HTML auto view" and while I have Options -- HTML auto view on, I get to see all the html-mail as plain text, tags included. There is no informationto be found in the FAQ nor in the help file. Actually, HTML is not mentioned in the help file at all -- except in the description of the new features of the update to The Bat. Has always worked for me in the rare instances I've used it ;) 5. When will the developpers add proportional fonts? I _hate_ proportional. Suddenly my mail looks ugly.(Yes, I saw the workaround in the FAQ, and I might try it, but I like Arial best). I still hope never. But probably in V2, IIRC. 6. Why isn't the "Find" utility listed under the Tools menu? As of now, one can only find it in the Icon toolbar. It's in Tools/Search, isn't it? 7. I'd like to be able to tell The Bat to automatically focus on my Inbox when new mail has arrived. yes, it's a Eudora habit ;-) It won't, AFAIK. For the rest, I am quite impressed. And I'm sure I'll have more questions while I proceed to explore The Bat. Just keep going ;-) Oliver Sturm -- Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk? -- Oliver Sturm / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key ID: 71D86996 Fingerprint: 8085 5C52 60B8 EFBD DAD0 78B8 CE7F 38D7 71D8 6996 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Karin, On 16 September 2000 at 00:29:40 GMT +0200 (which was 23:29 where I live) Karin Spaink wrote and made these points on the subject of "New user, lotsa questions": KS 1. If you move your cursor down in the window in which you are KS editing your mail (e.g. move it down to the next empty line), it KS goes down but stays in the same column Correct. This is not a bug. This is TB's (love it or hate .. and I personally love it) "virtual space". Place the cursor anywhere on the page, start typing and it will stick. It is, IMHO, the right way for fixed pitch WYSIWYG plain text editing to work. There are others who disagree about this but they have, so far, been unable to persuade the authors to make it optional. KS 2. The tab. When I have "auto-format" on - I want to, I like it, I KS need it because I rewrite a lot - I can't seem to add a new KS parapraph to a section. Nor can I end a paragraph, give a tab for KS indent, and continue: (example: this). See? The Bat's editor KS automatically purges the carriage return and moves the "tabthis" KS (see above) back to the end of the previous line. Or look at my KS garbled .sig: I can't seem to start on a new bit of the quoted KS conversation on a new line; only when I add a blank line. Then turn off auto-format. Also, you may have to encompass a new concept: in plain text, a paragraph needs a clear line to be clearly at an end. This is a new paragraph. I don't indent my paragraph starts so I leave auto-format on. Others do indent and have to have it off for that purpose. KS 3. The cookie file is a great feature and allows for rotating KS signatures. The help file is however not too helpful as to the KS format of the cookie file. After some experimenting, I discovered KS that each entry should have a line of its own, no line-breaks, and KS no empty lines between entries. But the cookies show up in one KS unbroken line whenever I start composing an e-mail or hit reply. KS How do you make your cookie-entries wrap? Introduce a '\n' (no quotes) sequence within the long line at the point at which you want it break. KS 4. Although The Bat claims to have "HTML auto view" and while I KS have Options -- HTML auto view on, I get to see all the html-mail KS as plain text, tags included. Hang-on ... with tags? You mean like HTML ... /HTML? Then that doesn't even conform to true HTML standard. You might be talking about RTF (Rich Text Format) mail, which isn't HTML standard and might show as you describe. HTML mail usually consists of a plain text message with an attachment containing the HTML version of it. KS 5. When will the developpers add proportional fonts? I _hate_ KS proportional. Suddenly my mail looks ugly.(Yes, I saw the KS workaround in the FAQ, and I might try it, but I like Arial best). I don't. It will make my plain text justified paragraphs look absolutely terrible. It will make columnar tabulated information completely illegible. There are other reasons for using fixed pitch font besides these. There are a number of fixed width fonts that look fine and are perfectly livable - Andale Mono is what I enjoy. KS 6. Why isn't the "Find" utility listed under the Tools menu? As of KS now, one can only find it in the Icon toolbar. Tools -- Search? It's there. KS 7. I'd like to be able to tell The Bat to automatically focus on KS my Inbox when new mail has arrived. yes, it's a Eudora habit ;-) Suggestion: lose that habit and turn on the ticker (tm) ;-). You can filter your mail on receipt and use the ticker to provide you with a virtual folder full of *all* of your new mail regardless of which folder it may have been filtered to. I, for one, would *not* want the current folder focus to move just because I have more new mail. KS For the rest, I am quite impressed. And I'm sure I'll have more KS questions while I proceed to explore The Bat. TB is a *very* different animal. Enjoy your explorations. There's a lot under the bonnet and, usually, pretty good reasons for the quirks. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: Water freezes at 32 degrees and boils at 212 degrees. There are 180 degrees between freezing and boiling because there are 180 degrees between north and south. TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcQB1znkJKuSnc2gEQJ/VgCdFEZXbV5lGg9Ao5/GzLrbkrIWyAEAoKk7 6gXg9BzG/9wnPcAJI4jXWfiM =YPkG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 12:29:40AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: 1. If you move your cursor down in the window in which you are editing your mail (e.g. move it down to the next empty line), it goes down but stays in the same column (read: horizontal axis) and doesn't go to the beginning of the line or the last words in it [SNIP] This is free caret mode. There is no way to turn it off and no, it isn't a bug. I'm sure at least half a dozen people have answered stating that it isn't a bug, that it cannot be turned off and then have proceeded to tell you how glorious and wonderful it is. Quite frankly I wish it could be turned off two because I find it annoying. However, since the majority of the people are wiffing white out on this matter the authors don't appear inclined to do anything to make the editor behave in a sane manner. OTOH, I'm also the one who wiffs markers and wants /no/ editor in the email client at all because everyone's preferences on the perfect editor are different. With no editor the authors don't have to deal with it. They just toss the email out to whatever editor the user decides which, in theory, will behave exactly as they want since they get to choose it. What are you wiffing? :) 2. The tab. When I have "auto-format" on - I want to, I like it, I need it Paragraphs are generally separated by a CR. So this next line is not part of a new paragraph although this next one is. New paragraph. Of course, I am writing this in vim on Linux launched from mutt. IE, an external editor from my mail client which, on this reading, isn't TB!. :) 3. The cookie file is a great feature and allows for rotating signatures. GAAAHHH, Fido-Net flashbacks!! The horror, the horror! The help file is however not too helpful as to the format of the cookie file. After some experimenting, I discovered that each entry should have a line of its own, no line-breaks, and no empty lines between entries. But the cookies show up in one unbroken line whenever I start composing an e-mail or hit reply. How do you make your cookie-entries wrap? \n where you want a newline. 4. Although The Bat claims to have "HTML auto view" and while I have Options -- HTML auto view on, I get to see all the html-mail as plain text, tags included. There is no informationto be found in the FAQ nor in the help file. Actually, HTML is not mentioned in the help file at all -- except in the description of the new features of the update to The Bat. Something tells me that this is because the HTML-Mail you're getting sent is being MIME encapsulated. I /think/ TB! does the sane thing and at least require the HTML to be in a MIME attachment so when people are discussion HTML in email but don't want it displayed (insane idea to the general public, I know) they can see what is going on. :) 5. When will the developpers add proportional fonts? I _hate_ proportional. Suddenly my mail looks ugly.(Yes, I saw the workaround in the FAQ, and I might try it, but I like Arial best). Hopefully never. You'll note my signature would look ugly in proportional fonts. Also mail looks REALLY nasty in proportional fonts. Something about the 78 character max wrap and the lines looking really jaggy when crammed into proportional. For example, these two lines aren't the same width in proportional fonts. 1 W 6. Why isn't the "Find" utility listed under the Tools menu? As of now, one can only find it in the Icon toolbar. ... Good question. I'll go flog them for an answer. 7. I'd like to be able to tell The Bat to automatically focus on my Inbox when new mail has arrived. yes, it's a Eudora habit ;-) Why? 90% of my new mail doesn't arrive in my inbox. It arrives in the folders /outside/ my inbox. Filters, they are your friends. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:36:13AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: 1. Why does my reply to Januk gets garbled in the Subject line and suddenly gets "Re[2]: etc" instead of your standard "Re: etc"? TB! loves to count replies for some reason. You can turn that off in the templates. The exact macro eludes me at the moment. Again, on Linux, not Windows. 2. How come that Ctrl-Z only works partially? What I added (new CR's) can be undone, but what I inadvertedly deleted cannot be brought back. That always annoyed me. Call it a bug. Of course, falls back to my whole "should use an external editor in the first place" kick. Already the editor is annoying you in several ways. If it were external you'd just continue running the editor you'd always run. I severely dislike this feature. It is in itself a reason to give up The Bat (and explore other clients). But apart from my personal likes and dislikes, I don't think that your argument holds. Yes, this is a nice feature when you make a table; but how often do you make a table as compared to you editing your message and moving up and down through it? See, another fine case for an external editor. I never, EVER understood why Windows clients insisted on including internal editors on everything under the sun. Complete waste of time. We've been over this Allie, you're not convincing me because, as I said, once the user learns one editor they are /done/ learning editors. Here they never stop having to learn new editors and that wastes time. I am growing more used to it, but I find all the extra keystrokes a hassle. And it _is_ non-standard. Tell me, what /is/ standard in editors? :) Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced features of an editor. I only know the CUA defines keystrokes for certain behaviors, nothing more. That is more than just a matter of taste: it's a national habit. And I am not US or Canadian. To people I correspond with, it looks weird; and to my peers -- I am a writer -- it looks awkward. A tab is the marker for a paragraph, a blank line the marker for a new idea. On paper, yes. In electronic mail, no. Listen. I am demanding. I know that. And I am not trying to piss you off. But I _am_ desperate for a mail client that has lots of features and can be fine-tuned to a huge degree. BIG HINT TO AUTHORS AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE: Notice here he(?) says he is looking for an email client which is tunable yet all his complaints, thus far, have been with the /editor/? The reasons? I get heaps of mail (so I need good filtering and auto-replies), I type fast but with lots of errors (so they should be easy to correct and my cursor should be easy to focus), I use my mail client 10 hours per day. I hate the bloatware that Eudora is becoming and I dislike the road that they are taking. I have been using Eudora for 5 years. Basically, I want all it had plus some bug-fixing and less new (stupid) features. Let me ask you a simple question. If you could replace the editor with something else, go out to an external editor so you could choose the editor you wanted to use (personally, I'd use VIM but most people here don't want to deal with a VI clone with tons of added features) would you take that route and keep TB? -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:56:33AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: Ah, but I don't like pitcvhed fomts to begin with. And as I told Jurek: it feels as if somebdy is hammering it in. You _will_ have fixed fomts and even if you find your way around them. we will still make your message editor act asd if it were fixed font! Trust us, it is the only way email should be. I won't repeat myself, but we're talking cultural differences here. In my country, you don't. And in my book, you don't either. Right, it is cultural. It is the online culture to separate paragraphs with a CR. You're online, time to do as the romans do. There's no discussing taste. But as I said: why both have the fixed fomt as the only alternative _and_ free caret? No idea on the free caret but the fixed font is simple. If everyone has variable width font then nothing comes out to look anywhere remotely as it should. The only sane solution is to use a fixed-width font so what you see will closely approximate what they will see. Again, refer to my signature as an example. I tried for a bit but it insisted on being over everything else -- plus, i still need to go to my inbox, and I don't have a filter report, and... Feh, filter report is nasty anyway. I don't want this stupid window popping up every minute telling me I have new mail. Yes, I check every minute and during the day, on a busy day, I can get more than 1 mail a minute across my accounts. The fact that the folder list has hightlights and numbers of new mail in each folder already tells me that I have new mail and where it is. Which is also why having new mail trigger going into the inbox is foolish. Of the 3-600 messages a day I get on average maybe 5 in each account gets to the inbox. If you want it to bouce to your inbox chances are you're not filtering and are already sitting in your inbox. If you are filtering then your mail isn't going to the inbox and, again, there is no need for it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:47:59 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: SL TB! loves to count replies for some reason. You can turn that off in SL the templates. The exact macro eludes me at the moment. Again, on SL Linux, not Windows. That's %SINGLERE snip SL See, another fine case for an external editor. I never, EVER SL understood why Windows clients insisted on including internal SL editors on everything under the sun. Complete waste of time. On editor support specifically, I have no problem with that. The OS comes with a number of potential editors as is. The user could start with that and then use another when it's The modular approach in general is an advanced user approach to computing. I love it personally. However, for novices and for those users who have no real interest in becoming advanced users, there's a definite need and market for the monolithic application. SL We've been over this Allie, you're not convincing me because, as I SL said, once the user learns one editor they are /done/ learning SL editors. Here they never stop having to learn new editors and that SL wastes time. You may be misunderstanding me all along. What I said above is all that I have been saying. Is there anything there that you disagree with? I am growing more used to it, but I find all the extra keystrokes a hassle. And it _is_ non-standard. SL Tell me, what /is/ standard in editors? :) This is another thing that I have been indicating to you. In windows, the basic behaviour of most editors is really standard. This is why TB!'s editor is a real 'culture shocker' for those who are used to using different editors for various applications. SL Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced SL features of an editor. She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such. She has been complaining about basic cursor movements and responses and behaviour. Trying to type paragraphs etc. For windows, cursor behaviour is pretty standard. SL BIG HINT TO AUTHORS AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE: Notice here he(?) says he is SL looking for an email client which is tunable yet all his complaints, thus far, SL have been with the /editor/? I think he is a she. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Always proofread carefully to see if you any words out. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQbTvAXeSHuB5k3EQI/WQCfZcN9s77hFkMnLDVyM69Q2rLFIooAoMdB 7Vwkj9MG0WE9HW/obm4FHznn =pFUt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On September 16, 2000, at 5:56:33 PM, Karin Spaink Wrote: I don't want to have each and every header... I just would love to have a general overview. "The Bat" folder 3 new, Swans folder 6 new. etc... That feature is one I truly enjoy with TB!... one quick look at my Folder Tree, and I can see *exactly* how many new messages (unread) I've received, and which Folder they reside in. Karin, in View/Split Mode, what do you have selected? I chose Full-height Account Tree, and it gives me the view you request. Nick N.J. Andriash [ TB! v1.46 Beta 6 | PGP 6.5.8 | Win 98 v4.10 ] Vancouver, B.C. Canada | PGP Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE _ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:35:12 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: snip SL This is free caret mode. There is no way to turn it off and no, it SL isn't a bug. I'm sure at least half a dozen people have answered SL stating that it isn't a bug, that it cannot be turned off and then SL have proceeded to tell you how glorious and wonderful it is. Quite SL frankly I wish it could be turned off two because I find it SL annoying. However, since the majority of the people are wiffing SL white out on this matter the authors don't appear inclined to do SL anything to make the editor behave in a sane manner. I'll add my 2 cents here. :-) I personally do like the free caret interface myself. Also, for me, TB!'s editor took some time to get accustomed to. It was a period of adjustment and giving and taking. The end result has been that the shortcomings for me do not exceed the good points. If TB! were to support an external editor, I would still use this one. Be that as it may, I strongly disagree with the free caret interface not being made optional. If the developers intent was to implement an editor that does basic things in a non-standard fashion they should either make these non standard behaviours optional or implement the facility to use an optional/external editor seamlessly. It would seem that many potential users have been turned off by the editor and this is a really unfortunate thing because it's really unnecessary. Editing is one of the core parts of e-mail management and the user should be able to exercise some flexibility and control. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Never draw fire, it irritates everyone around you " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQd6vAXeSHuB5k3EQIlIwCcC/wpPVw4wV8djWg35dp8x77KivEAoM5C idxDxcL3pp+gI0G9KsVLoiMc =w76H -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Karin, On 17 September 2000 at 02:56:33 GMT +0200 (which was 01:56 where I live) Karin Spaink wrote and made these points on the subject of "New user, lotsa questions": in plain text, a paragraph needs a clear line to be clearly at an end. KS I won't repeat myself, but we're talking cultural differences KS here. No we're not. These are *technical* issues regarding how the *editor* can distinguish the next *line* from the next *paragraph*. KS In my country, you don't. And in my book, you don't either. Maybe not, but in a plain text editor which offer paragraph formatting you *have* to. KS Jurek answered that one. It's old, imported mail. Something got KS ** up in the conversion,. New mail looks ok. ^^ Sorry Karin but we have *very* strict obscenity rules on this list. Please do not use language like this here. KS There's no discussing taste. But as I said: why both have the KS fixed fomt as the only alternative _and_ free caret? Fixed font provides exact WYSIWYG formatting and free caret helps (most) or hinders (some) to format at will. Something else needs explaining here: unused space is auto-stripped from the ends of lines. You can filter your mail on receipt and use the ticker to provide you with a virtual folder full of *all* of your new mail regardless of which folder it may have been filtered to. I, for one, would *not* want the current folder focus to move just because I have more new mail. KS courageously puts back the ticker KS cringes I keep my ticker DSR (down-stage right) about 1.5" across. It doesn't impinge too much and lets me at my new mail *real* quick. Ctrl-Shift-T is the toggle. Perhaps you can enable/disable it as your interface to your new mail. KS I don't want to have each and every header... I just would love to KS have a general overview. "The Bat" folder 3 new, Swans folder 6 KS new. etc... The ticker is not what counts - it's the virtual folder it lets you into. KS Comfort me. I want a pat for all my brave exploring... :-0 You're doing fine. You're suffering from withdrawal and culture shock. I feel your pain. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Chemistry professors never die, they just smell that way! TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcQe8DnkJKuSnc2gEQK6EQCglnfqoc9C/TME8UK88q0wO4ApOj0AoNDj y9wmWFZWiKloH7zJl8WqoCQM =aVZG -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:56:33 +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: KS Jurek answered that one. It's old, imported mail. Something got KS fucked up in the conversion,. New mail looks ok. ^^ moderator hat on Since this is an international group with people of different cultures subscribed; attitudes toward profanity may very well be mixed with some taking offense and others not. To maintain as tranquil and as peaceful an atmosphere as possible on this list, we have decided to 'outlaw' the use of profanity here. moderator hat off I don't. It will make my plain text justified paragraphs look absolutely terrible. KS There's no discussing taste. But as I said: why both have the fixed KS fomt as the only alternative _and_ free caret? I have no personal problems with your query. But with respect to variable width fonts, it can really create problems with formatting of the sender not being properly appreciated by the recipient. Variable width fonts do look better but their use is sender centric so to speak. What I mean is that the sender admires their message format but the recipient fails to see what there is to admire because they are using a different font. Take for instance. As seen above, I underlined one of your words. If I had used a variable width font, it really wouldn't make sense doing it because you wouldn't see it as such at your end. Copy and paste the text to an editor that supports variable width fonts and look at it with various variable width fonts to see what I'm getting at. I agree that it's a pity that fixed width fonts are generally ugly but they are better to use for plain text based correspondences. I have found happiness with 'Lucida Sans Typ' at size 10 using large fonts at a 1600x1200 resolution. I never really felt happy with look until now so I know what you mean. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Don't Take Life Seriously, It Is Not Permanent. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQg8/AXeSHuB5k3EQK1WwCfcxre2s/tI0xJdTwcz9Ij5PU8Oz8AoKM9 ln9cVqeD7Ab1kbvoOrZaAk13 =+AWM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
On Sat, Sep 16, 2000 at 08:15:58PM -0500, A . Curtis Martin wrote: This is another thing that I have been indicating to you. In windows, the basic behaviour of most editors is really standard. This is why TB!'s editor is a real 'culture shocker' for those who are used to using different editors for various applications. That is the Microsoft standard, not /A/ standard. There is a big difference. AFAIK the CUA (a standard) defines what keystrokes do, not editor behavior. There is a difference. She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such. Free caret I considered advanced. She has been complaining about basic cursor movements and responses and behaviour. Trying to type paragraphs etc. For windows, cursor behaviour is pretty standard. Again, it is not a standard. That is what I said. There is no standard and I do not the take the "Microsoft is right" standard as one since it isn't published and can change on a whim. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 18:38:08 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: SL That is the Microsoft standard, not /A/ standard. The origin of this behaviour that is present in most Windows based editors that may have reason to use is pretty much besides the point. The reality is that if you are developing an application for Windows users then you are faced with this unfortunate fact and that is that most are accustomed to a certain behaviour or functionality. SL There is a big difference. AFAIK the CUA (a standard) defines what SL keystrokes do, not editor behavior. There is a difference. I realize this. I see that I used the word 'Standard' rather loosely. :-) She hasn't really touched on any advanced features as such. SL Free caret I considered advanced. Simple text editing is not advanced use. Notepad and virtually all windows based editors will behave exactly the way she desires. :-) If they offer a free caret interface, the four I've had opportunity to use had the free caret interface toggled off by default. If this is the case, then the editor cursor behaviour she desires may, in a sense, be considered standard behaviour. Nuh? :-) SL Again, it is not a standard. That is what I said. There is no SL standard and I do not the take the "Microsoft is right" standard as SL one since it isn't published and can change on a whim. Sure. I agree but that doesn't negate anything I'm trying to get across to you. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Some nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQllvAXeSHuB5k3EQJJVwCeNdqJTty7Y/ltj+ER86orjZimDAkAoI5z prE+Ht3Kx1npP4vqtOneYOYN =+3i9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
At 17:47 16-09-2000 -0700, Steve Lamb kindly wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:36:13AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: 1. Why does my reply to Januk gets garbled in the Subject line and suddenly gets "Re[2]: etc" instead of your standard "Re: etc"? TB! loves to count replies for some reason. Ouch. I was hoping that it was a glitch in the mailing list software, but since I read that the mailinglist was run through TB I feared that it was a TB habit. You can turn that off in the templates. The exact macro eludes me at the moment. Again, on Linux, not Windows. I'm not going to switich OS in order to find the perfect mail client ;-) 2. How come that Ctrl-Z only works partially? What I added (new CR's) can be undone, but what I inadvertedly deleted cannot be brought back. That always annoyed me. Call it a bug. If I am correct in my assessment, it's a bug. Of course, falls back to my whole "should use an external editor in the first place" kick. Ah, seems I touched a nerve ;-) Already the editor is annoying you in several ways. If it were external you'd just continue running the editor you'd always run. Currently, for mail, I use the inbuilt Eudora one. But no, I wouldn't mind using Notepad as an editor, but I sure as hell don't want to need to invoke it myself. My mail client should. I severely dislike this feature. It is in itself a reason to give up The Bat (and explore other clients). But apart from my personal likes and dislikes, I don't think that your argument holds. Yes, this is a nice feature when you make a table; but how often do you make a table as compared to you editing your message and moving up and down through it? See, another fine case for an external editor. Don't use me for your own war, I'll refuse ;-) I'd rather that somebody address the overkill issue. I am growing more used to it, but I find all the extra keystrokes a hassle. And it _is_ non-standard. Tell me, what /is/ standard in editors? :) To not undo your CR and TAB? _That_ is what YTB is currently doing. I get kicked back to the previous line. I find that unacceptable. Exactly, there isn't a standard, at least not for the more advanced features of an editor. For advanced eatures: granted. But I wouldn't call allowing CR TAB advanced. That is more than just a matter of taste: it's a national habit. And I am not US or Canadian. To people I correspond with, it looks weird; and to my peers -- I am a writer -- it looks awkward. A tab is the marker for a paragraph, a blank line the marker for a new idea. On paper, yes. In electronic mail, no. Says you. Besides, national habits and styles notwithstanding, who is my mail client to tell me what _my_ mails should look like? Listen. I am demanding. I know that. And I am not trying to piss you off. But I _am_ desperate for a mail client that has lots of features and can be fine-tuned to a huge degree. BIG HINT TO AUTHORS AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE: Notice here he(?) She. Pic at http://www.xs4all.nl/~kspaink/images/write.html says he is looking for an email client which is tunable yet all his complaints, thus far, have been with the /editor/? Actually, this rephrasal fits me to a T. Thank you. There are quite some reasons why I like TB. The interface, threading, good filtering, nice personalised templates (so WTF can't I personalise my layout and my editor?), nice bonus thrown in (cookies allowing for a rotating .sig) and the one thing that I dislike is how I am forced to COMPOSE a mail. The reasons? I get heaps of mail (so I need good filtering and auto-replies), I type fast but with lots of errors (so they should be easy to correct and my cursor should be easy to focus), I use my mail client 10 hours per day. I hate the bloatware that Eudora is becoming and I dislike the road that they are taking. I have been using Eudora for 5 years. Basically, I want all it had plus some bug-fixing and less new (stupid) features. Let me ask you a simple question. If you could replace the editor with something else, go out to an external editor so you could choose the editor you wanted to use (personally, I'd use VIM but most people here don't want to deal with a VI clone with tons of added features) would you take that route and keep TB? Yes. Notepad will do. I dont want fancy stuff. I just want to be able to set my line length, my tabs, use CR's at will, have Ctrl-Z and that is basically it. I don't want another word porcessor. I have one. In my mail I want a simple text editor, and I won't mind it at all if I can use the plain text editors that I already have, - K - -- "When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'" - Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On 17 September 2000 at 02:58:52 GMT +0100 (which was 02:58 where I live) Mark R Harding wrote and made these points on the subject of "New user, lotsa questions": MRH In TB!, I find the behaviour of the tab key to be almost random. MRH Sometimes I'll get a desired effect - othertimes the tab key will MRH jump the cursor to about 5 characters from the end of the line MRH leaving a gap of about 60% page width. If anyone here has the MRH wisdom or knowledge (or both?!) to explain what is going on, I'm MRH a perplexed person waiting for enlightenment... :) TB's TAB is set up for tabular entry. It keys on the spacing in the line(s) above - no matter how far above - for tab stops. Like this: Col1 Col2 Col3 Col4 Col5 Tab1 tab2 tab3 tab4 tab5 Only in a blank and empty editor window does TAB do anything "sensible". - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] My reality cheque just bounced TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcQp0TnkJKuSnc2gEQLW4QCghuNm/TV2L4wHZwGft3/BQt7M6GUAoL+C VLbjwa6DhjAD5XnFIMCQ7TAB =lgYg -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
At 18:05 16-09-2000 -0700, Steve Lamb kindly wrote: On Sun, Sep 17, 2000 at 02:56:33AM +0200, Karin Spaink wrote: Ah, but I don't like pitcvhed fomts to begin with. And as I told Jurek: it feels as if somebdy is hammering it in. You _will_ have fixed fomts and even if you find your way around them. we will still make your message editor act asd if it were fixed font! Trust us, it is the only way email should be. Is it now. I have been on the net for six years and nobody ever told me that they were aggreviated by the fact that I use a proportional font to compose in and read my and theirs contributions with. And if I may be so bold to ask -- isn't the whole point of _not_ sending html and stylized shit that this allows end users to see what they get the way they want to see it? Isn't html meant to be just _structure_ which each end-user can apply their own lay-out to? I won't repeat myself, but we're talking cultural differences here. In my country, you don't. And in my book, you don't either. Right, it is cultural. It is the online culture to separate paragraphs with a CR. You're online, time to do as the romans do. Thank you for kindly allowing me. And while you are the Romans, am I your Hun? There's no discussing taste. But as I said: why both have the fixed fomt as the only alternative _and_ free caret? No idea on the free caret but the fixed font is simple. If everyone has variable width font then nothing comes out to look anywhere remotely as it should. Nonsense. What you are saying is that everybody should send their mail in stylized text or html with css, because only that way that get to see it as _you_ meant it. Ands last time I checked with RFC's, that was not the general idea. The only sane solution is to use a fixed-width font so what you see will closely approximate what they will see. Again, refer to my signature as an example. I can see you .sig fine, thank you. Eudora _does_ aloow me to switch from prop. view to fixed view at the press of a button. I tried for a bit but it insisted on being over everything else -- plus, i still need to go to my inbox, and I don't have a filter report, and... Feh, filter report is nasty anyway. I don't want this stupid window popping up every minute telling me I have new mail. I am not telling you to want it. I am telling the list that _I_ miss it. Yes, I check every minute and during the day, on a busy day, I can get more than 1 mail a minute across my accounts. The fact that the folder list has hightlights and numbers of new mail in each folder already tells me that I have new mail and where it is. I got loads of mail too. And yes, I want to have an unobtrusive warning if any of my fave mailinglist have new contributions, and of course my known contacts get filtered into their appropriate mailboxes. But if you'd think a bit beyond that, you'd understand that my inbox is the designated place for unexpected mail, and I would like to be automatically pointed there. lus, I would like to have some kind of overview: Swans, so many; TheBat, so many; HippiesFromHell, so many. The amount of new mail in each list does often affect my curiostoty. And as for overview, I don't think that the mailbox-list overview works -- especially since I tend to mark mail-to-be-replied-to or -to-be-attended-to later as 'unmarked'. They will show as nee. Exit overview. If you want it to bouce to your inbox chances are you're not filtering and are already sitting in your inbox. I am filtering abundantly, thank you very much. If you are filtering then your mail isn't going to the inbox and, again, there is no need for it. Why do I suddenly get the idea that you're arrogant? - K - -- "When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'" - Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 02:58:52 +0100, Mark R Harding wrote: snip MRH What does perplex me still is how exactly the tab key works. My usual MRH experience from both Windows and Unix editors is that the tab key MRH indents the cursor position (either by a control-character or by MRH inserting extra white space as required) to the next 'tab-stop' which MRH is normally defined as a regular series of positions along the text MRH line - say ever 4,8,16 or however many characters. Yes. The tabbing with TB!'s editor will tab in 8 characters at a time, all the time, provided ''Smart' Tabs' is disabled in the editor preferences. MRH In TB!, I find the behaviour of the tab key to be almost random. MRH Sometimes I'll get a desired effect - othertimes the tab key will jump MRH the cursor to about 5 characters from the end of the line leaving a MRH gap of about 60% page width. If anyone here has the wisdom or MRH knowledge (or both?!) to explain what is going on, I'm a perplexed MRH person waiting for enlightenment... :) You seem to have ''Smart' Tabs' enabled in the editor preferences. With this option enabled, the tabbing will vary depending on the situation. The tabbing will always adjust in such a way that the cursor ends up in line with the first letter of the line of text above. So if I type this and start a new line, hit tab, I end up *here. See the new line starts in line with the one above. With quoted material, it ignores the quote prefixing. So if I hit tab below the following line: allie Test line |the cursor ends up at the beginning of the quoted line ignoring the prefix as above. or allie another test |here it is. or test |Here it is. This is the method behind the madness of the Smart Tab. If you don't like it, turn it off and your tabbing will be fixed at 8 characters. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Going the speed of light is bad for your age. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQs5PAXeSHuB5k3EQI/3gCg+1V4iDlzJoqIlXL2+jTkNE2vik4AoJYQ j1dLlckKsyrWFERTCh10/XWp =x/J8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Karin, Just a quick note .. As you are probably seeing there is a lot of 'we know everything' and there is only ONE way to do things .. yada yada yada. Try to let these notes go by .. just sympathize. The real thing is to look at The Bat and all of its features. I have moved to The Bat from Eudora. Although there is a learning curve (and a bit of patience) it is a good move. Heck .. one of the things I was complaining about I was told would never happen .. i was wrong .. and it was a dead horse. Only to get a message from one of the developers saying .. yep .. we're changing it . So who knows .. if enough of us work with it and ask for some changes AND change the way we do things .. The Bat will improve. -- Hang in there, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:43:34 -0700, David Tod Sigafoos wrote: DTS As you are probably seeing there is a lot of 'we know everything' and DTS there is only ONE way to do things .. yada yada yada. Try to let DTS these notes go by .. just sympathize. DTS The real thing is to look at The Bat and all of its features. I have DTS moved to The Bat from Eudora. Although there is a learning curve (and DTS a bit of patience) it is a good move. DTS Heck .. one of the things I was complaining about I was told would DTS never happen .. i was wrong .. and it was a dead horse. cough Who said *anything* would never happen where TB!'s development is going? Anyway, this editor grouse is a really old one and very much has a lot to do with the fact that slated features for version 2 of TB! include editor support for variable width fonts and support for the use of an external editor and or an alternative integrated editor. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Never try to out stare a cat. They've got no eyelids. " Using TB! v1.46c «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOcQxfvAXeSHuB5k3EQJM7wCePVzFOkLPEGfFrHJ4QOMTC+Ns9t4An3Nh aahA1CHLQtTOEuuCMU8aIb9x =bFPp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Karin, On Saturday, September 16, 2000 at 04:41:42 GMT +0200 (which was 7:41 PM where I live) witnesses say Karin Spaink typed: 'Cept that I don;'t always read on the spot, and then new massages get added to old (unread) messages. That's where new and old start getting diffuse. I don;t want that. I want my mailer to say that I've recieved do many here and w\so may there. You can have TB run a separate application each time a given filter is run. With a suitable scripting language, you may be able to achieve the result you want. Nick was only pointing out the possibilities with the *current* implementation. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.46c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
At 02:31 17-09-2000 +0100, Marck D. Pearlstone kindly wrote: Karin Spaink wrote: [tabs and paragraphs] KS I won't repeat myself, but we're talking cultural differences KS here. No we're not. These are *technical* issues regarding how the *editor* can distinguish the next *line* from the next *paragraph*. It can -- and should -- distinguish one paragraph from the other by a CR. No empty line should be needed. KS In my country, you don't. And in my book, you don't either. Maybe not, but in a plain text editor which offer paragraph formatting you *have* to. Not when I _end_ the paragraph, methinks KS Jurek answered that one. It's old, imported mail. Something got KS ** up in the conversion,. New mail looks ok. ^^ Sorry Karin but we have *very* strict obscenity rules on this list. Please do not use language like this here. In that case, please inform subscribers via the majardomo welcome message. sigh One of the reasons why I want to dump Eudora is becuase of its stupid, patronizing and utterly ridiculous Moodwatch thingie, that grades "distrusted" words in e-mail with "chili peppers". (Too hot to handle.) Hence (and for some more, but this was the turning point), I started looking for another e-mail client. So I came here. And now you say I can't say chili peppers? Fuck. KS There's no discussing taste. But as I said: why both have the KS fixed fomt as the only alternative _and_ free caret? Fixed font provides exact WYSIWYG formatting and free caret helps (most) or hinders (some) to format at will. Something else needs explaining here: unused space is auto-stripped from the ends of lines. Good, and I had hoped that it would. But that addresses the look of the mail after sending, and doesn't guide your actions (i.e. cursor movements) while composing. You can filter your mail on receipt and use the ticker to provide you with a virtual folder full of *all* of your new mail KS courageously puts back the ticker KS cringes I keep my ticker DSR (down-stage right) about 1.5" across. It doesn't impinge too much and lets me at my new mail *real* quick. I'll try that one. Thanks for the tip. Promised. I _will_ look at the keyboard stroke section of the FAQ with soem more scrutiny. KS Comfort me. I want a pat for all my brave exploring... :-0 You're doing fine. You're suffering from withdrawal and culture shock. grin Thanks for the encouragement. That is kind. Plus, it fortifies me ;-) - K - -- "When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'" - Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Karin, On 17 September 2000 at 04:57:18 GMT +0200 (which was 03:57 where I live) Karin Spaink wrote and made these points on the subject of "New user, lotsa questions": No we're not. These are *technical* issues regarding how the *editor* can distinguish the next *line* from the next *paragraph*. KS It can -- and should -- distinguish one paragraph from the other KS by a CR. No empty line should be needed. TB uses CR to end a line. When auto paragraph formatting is on, there is *absolutely no* difference between a line which has been wrapped at its' end with a CR and a CR you typed. Now, if can you write a clairvoyance subroutine you could sell it to RIT labs to solve this problem g. Trust me. An empty line *is* needed. It's not needed in /other/ mail editors because they don't give a fig about re-formatting a message behind the sender's back, between hitting send and letting the message out. Sorry Karin but we have *very* strict obscenity rules on this list. Please do not use language like this here. KS In that case, please inform subscribers via the majardomo welcome KS message. We do: list Rules, Item 1, para b, section 2: 2. Do not use profanity. Personally, I have no problem with it, but this list is not the place for it. If a list member is consistently abusive, they will be banned from the list. KS And now you say I can't say chili peppers? F**k. Please - I've shown you the rule - this has to be your last warning. KS Good, and I had hoped that it would. But that addresses the look KS of the mail after sending, and doesn't guide your actions (i.e. KS cursor movements) while composing. Nope, TB does nothing to mail text after sending (other than sign/encrypt and dispatch). That's why it can't distinguish paragraphs during composition. They are the same as wrapped lines unless there is a blank line between. - -- Cheers, .\\arck [Marck D. Pearlstone | Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA ] [ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com ] [ PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY ] Kids Stuff: Rain is saved up in cloud banks. TB! v1.46c S/N 14F4B4B2 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Secured Comment: PGP Sealed for freshness! iQA/AwUBOcQ6PznkJKuSnc2gEQJumgCgqaVMuHYDdBdGPb6ljHoiC+KNLkIAoPRD lpXWAR4ZENel1mj4/8Oef4TS =tuhp -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
Hello Mark, On Saturday, September 16, 2000 at 04:25:39 GMT +0100 (which was 8:25 PM where I live) witnesses say Mark R Harding typed: To think that all this time other people knew what was going only and I only had to ask... sheesh... don't I feel better?! As I said in one of my posts to this threads, even some of the real old timers need to ask questions sometimes. g Actually, that's great because it was the one part of the editor I didn't like much - I can see the use of it but equally I often 'think' in terms of jumping to the next '8th character' position so I just surprise myself when TB notices my previous line of text and nicks the cursor into no-mans land... Thanks for explaining that one. The one thing I really like about TB's TAB is that the TAB is replaced by an equivalent number of spaces. I have seen so many editors treat a tab character in so many different ways that I've totally stopped using the TAB key. On another note - all of Karin's replies have the quoted parts indented by a single space which means, in my view at least, that the funky red-emboldened text that usually highlights quoted text is not catching it. That's a good way to ad a '' character to the text without it turning colour. Any line that starts with a space is assumed to be not a quoted line, regardless of the existence of the character. It's amazing how unaccustomed my eye is to separating the text without the colour demarcation. I know the feeling. It is a bit of a shocker when I use other programs. g Is there anything that can be done to remedy this? Un/fortunately, not unless you export those messages, edit them externally and then re-import. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal See header for e-mail address Using The Bat! 1.46c under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New user, lotsa questions
At 19:54 16-09-2000 -0700, Januk Aggarwal kindly wrote: Hello Karin, 'Cept that I don;'t always read on the spot, and then new massages get added to old (unread) messages. That's where new and old start getting diffuse. I don;t want that. I want my mailer to say that I've recieved do many here and w\so may there. You can have TB run a separate application each time a given filter is run. With a suitable scripting language, you may be able to achieve the result you want. Nick was only pointing out the possibilities with the *current* implementation. I am not sure that I follow you... Yes, I discovered that TB's filters are quite powerful and that you can invoke other prgrams through them. And yes, I can play soundfiles whenever mail for TB arrives in its designated folder. But ion the end that would create quite a racket, and all I want is some kind of summary -- esp. in the morning, when I fire up my mailer and have 37 messages arriving. As I said: the new messages feature doens't work for me, becasue within folders I don't always read immediatelty, and in TB those mailboxes will invaribaly show _all_ that is unread as new. While I am looking for a feature that shows me what is new, not unread. /me apologises again for being demanding - K - -- "When I make a word do a lot of work like that," said Humpty Dumpty, "I always pay it extra.'" - Lewis Carroll: Through the Looking-Glass -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New User
Hello Alan, On Wednesday, August 09, 2000 at 00:13:53 GMT -0400 (which was 9:13 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: hi all, I've just recently switched over to The Bat! from PMMail, and i have a small question. Is there a way that i can add frequently used addresses to a list that i can access quickly, sort of a "favourites" type of thing. thanks. Alan. There is exactly that. In your address book, there is a column called Favourites. Make sure the ones you want displayed on that little dropdown list are checked. -- Thanks for writing, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New User Questions
Hello, The Bat Users! LW One final question - again the answer is quite simple (I hope). LW I need to see my messages collapsed, in subject order, and LW within the subject all the replies in the time which they were LW sent in chronological order. LW At present the first two criteria are met, but the messages are not LW sorted in the required order, although I believe I have selected the LW correct options (Sort by Subject / descending order, also view threads LW by subject). By the way, anybody else notice that the selection LW "Descending Order" needs selecting every time, and does not remain LW "sticky"? Options|View threads by|Subject (or references - I prefer the latter). This will arrange messages in threads. Then you have to select only one sorting you need (in your message you stated you need both - by subject and by time - this is impossible in the current version, but such a wish was suggested a long time ago). I use Sorting by Creation Time, Descending. BTW, descending _is_ sticky here. Try changing the order by clicking on the column header. One click - you get ascending order, another click - you get descending order. -- Best regards, Andrewmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.38e S/N E9230B5C under Russian Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
