Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-27 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Krister,

Saturday, July 26, 2003, 8:01:17 AM, you wrote:

KE And i'll have to correct myself. In an earlier message, i said that
KE hitting the spacebar in the address picker didn't work for me either,
KE after investigating this again, i found that for me using Hal 5.20 as
KE my screen reader, the address picker works as it's supposed to do.


For reasons probably unknown to anyone, I can get the address picker
working fine if I enter it with shft-enter.  When I click the icon,
things don't work.  Very odd as, either way, I seem to be getting to
the same address picker screen.

I still can't get the buttons to read, but that's something I should
be able to fix relatively easy with the use of labeling in the screen
reader.  Thanks again to everyone who helped me resolve this issue.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-27 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Sat 26-Jul-03 9:54pm -0400, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard?  I've
BM looked around and don't see a way.

 Press the Enter when you are in the address field and the field is
 empty. When the field is not empty, press Shift Enter (it's working in
 either case, actually).

Thanks, Stefan, the Enter works great in both 1.62r and the Beta/11.
I'm sorry I missed this in my search of the shortcuts.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-26 Thread Mark Wieder
Steve-

Friday, July 25, 2003, 9:32:21 AM, you wrote:

 I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta?

I just checked and the tab order seems to be more or less the same in
1.63 beta 7 and 1.53t. The major difference at first glance is that
the initial tab placement is different - it's in the search box in the
beta and in the address book selector in the earlier release. But in
either case pressing the tab key once gets me to the contact list.

Past that point the tab order is a bit non-intuitive in either version.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-26 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi Steve,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 25 Jul 2003 10:11:16  (my local time 16:11:16), you typed: 

MW Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when
MW I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient
MW box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for
MW you. A double-click should also add a recipient.

SMS I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta?

Another question is if the screen reader for one strange reason or
another doesn't go to the fields in the order that they are presented
on the screen? Btw, the spacebar-trick didn't work for me either using
tb beta 10 of v1.6.3 with Hal 5.20 under Win XP pro.




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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-26 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi Steve,
In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On 24 Jul 2003 22:25:17  (my local time 25 jul 2003 04:25:17), you
typed: 

SMS BTW, I still can't figure out which button is which,
SMS but I can trial and error it and can then label each button with the
SMS screen reader.

Have you tried setting punktuation of your screen reader to all? The
buttons are labeled with less than and greater than symbols, and
if the punctuation is set to none or so, the characters don't get
read.
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Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-26 Thread Stefan Tanurkov
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Hi Bill,

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard?  I've
BM looked around and don't see a way.

Press the Enter when you are in the address field and the field is
empty. When the field is not empty, press Shift Enter (it's working in
either case, actually).

Hmmm. Now I'm wondering why Enter cannot be used... :-)


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Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-25 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Allie,


Thursday, July 24, 2003, 8:28:54 PM, you wrote:


AM The address book picker should also close when you hit OK. Does it?

Yep, sure does and, thanks to the shft/enter tip, it even works!

AM Not that I can think of. :/ I'm wondering why simply arrowing down the
AM list would lead to addresses being selected. This could be the result of
AM unwanted software interaction.

You must be right, but i've never seen it before.  Very odd.

AM Do you have any macro creating software installed? Do you have any
AM keyboard macros created?

Nope, not a single one -- there could theoretically be a conflict
between the screen reader and TB -- that would seem to be the case,
but I can't see where that conflict would exist.  Shft-enter is easier
anyway, so I'll stick with that.

SMS In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so
SMS I'm not sure what they are.

AM The buttons that are on the divider between the address list on the left
AM and the list of addresses to be placed in the To field on the right, are
AM controls to do what you wish to do, i.e., to add addresses to the To
AM list or remove them, add all addresses or remove all addresses.

I can try to label them with the screen reader -- the buttons in the
add/remove message columns screen behaves the
same way meaning they don't speak their function when selected with
the screen reader.  In that case, I pressed them, one by one, to try
and figure out what they actually do :).  One thing about trial and
error, it often leads to the best solution.

AM By the
AM way, the list on the right is tabbed. The one in focus by default is the
AM To list. But there are also tabs there for CC and BCC. Are you able to
AM 'see' those?

Yep, those work perfectly.  THey are classed as a property sheet
which the screen reader can deal with perfectly.  I can either hit
ctrl-tab to cycle between the tabs, or right arrow.

AM You could join by sending a message using this URL:

AM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks, I'm now subscribed.  Interestingly enough, my filters don't
seem to be working for that list, but that's another topic.

SMS I've also heard mention of a wish list, but don't know how to
SMS contribute to that either.

AM You could do that through bugtraq. It's used mainly for bug reporting
AM but there's a place there for posting wishes.

AM https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/

THanks, will check it out.

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Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-25 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Mark,

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 4:15:12 PM, you wrote:

MW Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when
MW I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient
MW box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for
MW you. A double-click should also add a recipient.

I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta?

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Steve,

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:08:26 -0400 GMT (25/07/03, 21:08 +0700 GMT),
Steve M. Sawczyn wrote:

AM You could join by sending a message using this URL:

AM mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Thanks, I'm now subscribed.  Interestingly enough, my filters don't
 seem to be working for that list, but that's another topic.

What do you filter on? I filter on Reply-To:.*TBBETA (without
quotes) present in kludges, and have Regular Expressions activated
under the Options tab.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Steve,

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:11:16 -0400 GMT (25/07/03, 21:11 +0700 GMT),
Steve M. Sawczyn wrote:

MW Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when
MW I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient
MW box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for
MW you. A double-click should also add a recipient.

 I wonder if they've changed the order of fields in the beta?

When I tab through the dialog, the buttons are highlighted in a
different order than they appear visually.

I don't run the current beta, but there is a chance they have fixed
this, and each tabbing now takes you to the next botton, which is
correct.

I am copying this to the beta list, as this is more an issue to be
discussed over there.

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help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello all,

  I'm having a bit of difficulty sending a message to multiple
  recipients when attempting to select recipients from the
  addressbook.  Please keep in mind that I am doing this from
  the keybord which, in and of itself may be the problem.

  #1 I hit ctrl-n to open a new message.

  #2 I click on the little icon next to the to: field which
  opens up the addressbook (the screen reader has special
  commands which enable me to manipulate the mouse pointer to
  icons).

  #3 I hit tab until I come to a listing of all addresses in
  my book.

  #4 As I arrow down the listing, all addresses are getting
  selected.  I tried hitting space on the specific people I
  want selected, but that didn't seem to do anything.  Also, I
  see that there is another list, but it's always empty.
  In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so
  I'm not sure what they are.

  Perhaps there's another way to go about addressing a message
  to multiple recipients?

  Any help greatly appreciated.
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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Allie Martin
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Steve M. Sawczyn, [SMS] wrote:

SMS #1 I hit ctrl-n to open a new message.

SMS #2 I click on the little icon next to the to: field which opens up
SMS the addressbook (the screen reader has special commands which
SMS enable me to manipulate the mouse pointer to icons).

Yes. This is the best way to select multiple addresses, especially if
the addresses would occupy more than the visible space in the To: field.

SMS #3 I hit tab until I come to a listing of all addresses in my book.

Yes. I'm assuming now that the focus is in the list of addresses on the
left side.

SMS #4 As I arrow down the listing, all addresses are getting selected.

Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. I don't see that here.

Hitting arrow down just changes the address selected down the list.

SMS I tried hitting space on the specific people I want selected, but
SMS that didn't seem to do anything.

Hitting space should actually add the address to the field on the right.
The field on the right contains the messages that will be added to the
To: CC: BCC: fields when you hit enter to close the Address Picker.

SMS Also, I see that there is another list, but it's always empty.

Is that the list on the right? That's the list that you need to add the
addresses you wish to send your message to.

SMS In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so
SMS I'm not sure what they are.

Uhh. Sorry to hear that. I think you'd make a valuable member of TBBETA.
Have you thought of joining to give your input?

SMS Perhaps there's another way to go about addressing a message to
SMS multiple recipients?

You could try the address auto-complete.

To be sure that this is working, go to the Options menu and select
Preferences. Hit the System tab in the preferences configuration panel.
At the top there's the AutoComplete. You can set it to All Address Books
or History + Address Book.

After creating a new message:

In the To: field, just type the first few characters of the address and
wait for the autocompletion. If the autocompleted address isn't correct,
hit CTRL+= and CTRL+- to toggle the various possibilites. When the
correct one is chosen, hit the right arrow, then type a comma and a
space, then go again with the next address..

I do this for two to three addresses. I don't do it with more since this
method is problematic when adding addresses to the point where the
addresses go beyond the limit of the To: field. The line will not scroll
to the left automatically so you can't tell what's happening.

SMS Any help greatly appreciated.

I hope this helps.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Mark Wieder
Steve-

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 12:20:39 PM, you wrote:

SMS   #2 I click on the little icon next to the to: field which
SMS   opens up the addressbook (the screen reader has special
SMS   commands which enable me to manipulate the mouse pointer to
SMS   icons).

Make sure you've got the right icon. There are three next to the To:
field. The one farthest right is the one you want. I'm assuming you're
doing this right because the following step won't work otherwise.

SMS   #3 I hit tab until I come to a listing of all addresses in
SMS   my book.

SMS   #4 As I arrow down the listing, all addresses are getting
SMS   selected.  I tried hitting space on the specific people I
SMS   want selected, but that didn't seem to do anything.  Also, I
SMS   see that there is another list, but it's always empty.
SMS   In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so
SMS   I'm not sure what they are.

Pressing Tab once gets me to the right box. The pressing space when
I've selected the proper addressee adds that person to the recipient
box on the right. Not sure why the space bar trick isn't working for
you. A double-click should also add a recipient.

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Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Allie,

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 4:07:22 PM, you wrote:

AM Yes. I'm assuming now that the focus is in the list of addresses on the
AM left side.

Not sure as the damn screen reader doesn't tell me if what I'm looking
at is on the right or left.  I'll have someone take a look at the
monitor and will get back to you on that.  For now, let's assume
you're right.

SMS #4 As I arrow down the listing, all addresses are getting selected.

AM Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. I don't see that here.

Essentially, if I hit my down arrow and then tab to OK, all the
addresses my arrow passed over get inserted into the to: field.  talk
about strange.

AM Hitting arrow down just changes the address selected down the list.

Is there somesort of default I may have somehow inadvertently changed?

SMS I tried hitting space on the specific people I want selected, but
SMS that didn't seem to do anything.

AM Hitting space should actually add the address to the field on the right.
AM The field on the right contains the messages that will be added to the
AM To: CC: BCC: fields when you hit enter to close the Address Picker.

That box, assuming it's the other one I eventually tab to never gets
filled in.  From what you're describing though, the address picker
isn't working the way it's supposed to.

SMS In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so
SMS I'm not sure what they are.

AM Uhh. Sorry to hear that. I think you'd make a valuable member of TBBETA.
AM Have you thought of joining to give your input?

I'd love to join, but have no idea how.  I've also heard mention of a
wish list, but don't know how to contribute to that either.  I
purchased the bat on Monday and received my registration info today.
 I'm not sure if, with this info, I am now able to contribute to the
 wish list?

AM You could try the address auto-complete.

AM To be sure that this is working, go to the Options menu and select
AM Preferences. Hit the System tab in the preferences configuration panel.
AM At the top there's the AutoComplete. You can set it to All Address Books
AM or History + Address Book.

That seems to work, however, when I hit , 'comma' and then begin
typing the next address, the first reverts back to the portion I had
typed.  I'm probably doing this wrong, so will go back and check.

AM In the To: field, just type the first few characters of the address and
AM wait for the autocompletion. If the autocompleted address isn't correct,
AM hit CTRL+= and CTRL+- to toggle the various possibilites. When the
AM correct one is chosen, hit the right arrow, then type a comma and a
AM space, then go again with the next address..

Yep, looks like I was in fact doing the autocomplete incorrectly.
After writing this mail, I'll go back and try it again.

AM I do this for two to three addresses. I don't do it with more since this
AM method is problematic when adding addresses to the point where the
AM addresses go beyond the limit of the To: field. The line will not scroll
AM to the left automatically so you can't tell what's happening.

I wonder if that's being addressed in the beta?  I could definitely
see where that would be problematic.

AM I hope this helps.

It sure does, I'll play around with it a bit.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Steve,

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

AM Uhh. Sorry to hear that. I think you'd make a valuable member of TBBETA.
AM Have you thought of joining to give your input?

 I'd love to join, but have no idea how.  I've also heard mention of a
 wish list, but don't know how to contribute to that either. 

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Allie Martin
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Steve M. Sawczyn, [SMS] wrote:

SMS Not sure as the damn screen reader doesn't tell me if what I'm
SMS looking at is on the right or left. I'll have someone take a look
SMS at the monitor and will get back to you on that. For now, let's
SMS assume you're right.

Ok.

AM Hmmm. This shouldn't be the case. I don't see that here.

SMS Essentially, if I hit my down arrow and then tab to OK, all the
SMS addresses my arrow passed over get inserted into the to: field.

This would imply that the addresses *are* being selected as your screen
reader says they are since OK does lead to the selected messages being
added to the To list.

The address book picker should also close when you hit OK. Does it?

AM Hitting arrow down just changes the address selected down the list.

SMS Is there somesort of default I may have somehow inadvertently changed?

Not that I can think of. :/ I'm wondering why simply arrowing down the
list would lead to addresses being selected. This could be the result of
unwanted software interaction.

SMS That box, assuming it's the other one I eventually tab to never gets
SMS filled in.  From what you're describing though, the address picker
SMS isn't working the way it's supposed to.

Hmmm. Yes. It would seem that there's a problem with your navigation
system. I've tried to duplicate what you're seeing but can't.

Do you have any macro creating software installed? Do you have any
keyboard macros created?

SMS In addition, none of the buttons read with the screen reader, so
SMS I'm not sure what they are.

The buttons that are on the divider between the address list on the left
and the list of addresses to be placed in the To field on the right, are
controls to do what you wish to do, i.e., to add addresses to the To
list or remove them, add all addresses or remove all addresses. By the
way, the list on the right is tabbed. The one in focus by default is the
To list. But there are also tabs there for CC and BCC. Are you able to
'see' those?

SMS I'd love to join, but have no idea how.

You could join by sending a message using this URL:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

SMS I've also heard mention of a wish list, but don't know how to
SMS contribute to that either.

You could do that through bugtraq. It's used mainly for bug reporting
but there's a place there for posting wishes.

https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/

SMS I purchased the bat on Monday and received my registration info
SMS today. I'm not sure if, with this info, I am now able to contribute
SMS to the wish list?

Of course you can. :) You'd make an important resource too, especially
if you have the time. You could be the one to help the developers make
the program more friendly to its blind users.

AM You could try the address auto-complete.

SMS That seems to work, however, when I hit , 'comma' and then begin
SMS typing the next address, the first reverts back to the portion I had
SMS typed.  I'm probably doing this wrong, so will go back and check.

After the first successful auto-completion, hit right arrow to deselect
the auto-completed portion of the address.. Only then, do you hit the
comma and space.

AM I do this for two to three addresses. I don't do it with more since this
AM method is problematic when adding addresses to the point where the
AM addresses go beyond the limit of the To: field. The line will not scroll
AM to the left automatically so you can't tell what's happening.

SMS I wonder if that's being addressed in the beta?  I could definitely
SMS see where that would be problematic.

Unfortunately the problem is still there in the current beta.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Thu 24-Jul-03 3:20pm -0400, Steve M. Sawczyn wrote:

 #2 I click on the little icon next to the to: field which
 opens up the addressbook (the screen reader has special
 commands which enable me to manipulate the mouse pointer to
 icons).

How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard?  I've
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Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Bill,

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 8:43:36 PM, you wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard?  I've
BM looked around and don't see a way.

Not sure, I've turned the ticker off.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Allie Martin
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Bill Mccarthy, [BM] wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard? I've
BM looked around and don't see a way.

Shift-Enter will get you there.

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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Thu 24-Jul-03 9:06pm -0400, Allie Martin wrote:

 Bill Mccarthy, [BM] wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard? I've
BM looked around and don't see a way.

 Shift-Enter will get you there.

Fantastic!  Thanks, Allie - I guess I missed that in my search.

-- 
Best regards,
Bill



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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Bill,

Thursday, July 24, 2003, Bill McCarthy wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard?
BM I've looked around and don't see a way.

 Shift-Enter will get you there.

 Fantastic!  Thanks, Allie - I guess I missed that in my search.

I don't know if you have this link. It can be very helpful when looking
for keyboard shortcuts.

-- 
Best regards,

Greg Strong 
TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1



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Re: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Greg,

Thursday, July 24, 2003, Greg Strong wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard?
BM I've looked around and don't see a way.

 Shift-Enter will get you there.

 Fantastic!  Thanks, Allie - I guess I missed that in my search.

 I don't know if you have this link. It can be very helpful when
 looking for keyboard shortcuts.

http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/shortcut_eng.html

It kind of helps to provide the link.

-- 
Best regards,

Greg Strong 
TB! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP Service Pack 1



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Re[2]: help selecting multiple recipients

2003-07-24 Thread Steve M. Sawczyn
Hello Allie,

Thursday, July 24, 2003, 9:06:41 PM, you wrote:

BM How does one get to the address book picker from the keyboard? I've
BM looked around and don't see a way.

AM Shift-Enter will get you there.

You know what?  If I hit shft-enter, everything works fine meaning, I
can select addresses with the spacebar.  Only when
I attempt to click the icon do things act screwy.  Not sure why
shft-enter works with the screen reader, but the important thing is
that it does!!!  BTW, I still can't figure out which button is which,
but I can trial and error it and can then label each button with the
screen reader.

Steve



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