Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] U Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with U a note that TB users should use the PTV (and maybe even a description U how to do that), or send whatever text I want to as an attachment. I don't understand why you should have to do that? All TB! users presumably subscribe to this list at least, if not the others too, so will have read the wealth of information on Smilies and how to deal with them. Other e-mail programmes work in different ways so they either accept Smilies, in which case the user involved will also be used to them and know what to do if they have the option of not wanting to see them or, with the rest, they will just see the normal : - ) instead. I find Smilies brighten up mail but sometimes I just want to read it plain so it's a very simple right click and de select. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.11.02 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How make smileys work?
Hello Gaurav, On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 05:17:25 +0100 (BST) GMT (6/4/2004, 9:17 PM -0800 GMT), Gaurav Manchanda wrote: GM Hi, GM I installed TB's latest version yesterday and was GM happy to see smiley GM support. However, I can't get the smiley to work in my GM copy of TB. I GM do the smiley GM appear when I type nor when I save, send or receive GM mails. Is there GM anything special I must do? For me it was turn on smileys in preferences plus use the html editor and most importantly make sure your short cut for TheBat Start in points to the directory containing the thebat.exe. -- Best regards, Dennis The Human Race proudly using The Bat! 2.11 Windows 2000 Professional 5.0.2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello rich, On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 22:32:12 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 09:32 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: MM The Bat! has many unique features and I don't understand, why must be MM features cross-platform. rg With regards to CHATing... rg (Unless I am also as clueless what TB! is calling a chat as I was rg with the smileys)... rg If a chat client is not cross-platform then the only community you can rg chat with is others on your platform, other TB! users. Correct. Most people I know have only MSN messenger and cannot chat with anybody using ICQ or YahooMessenger. Very few use cross-platform software such as Trillian or Miranda. rg That means I cannot use this feature with 90% or more of the people I rg already chat with through my cross-platform chat client. Correct. TB is a mail client, not a chat client. Why they have included this feature at all, I don't know, but there must have been a reason. Continue to use your chat client for chatting, and you'll be fine. No, I don't want TB to have an integrated chat functionality that can understand MSN, ICQ, Jabber... rg THAT is what I mean by if it is not cross-platform then it is useless. That is why I don't use it. rg I am sorry if anyone was personally offended. Even after parsing your message again, I cannot find a reason why anybody could be offended. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. I've heard people are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Peter, On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:07:29 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 05:07 +0700 GMT), Peter Kerekes wrote: PK Who can see the smileys other than BAT readers? Everybody. Over here, :-) looks like colon-minus-rightParenthesis. You can easily see that with every mail client. All the new feature for the RTV does is show a symbol instead of the ASCII characters upon display, *if* the user (mail recipient) wishes to use that function. I don't understand the fuzz that is being made about it. If anybody wants to view emiticons as smilieys in his incoming messages, it is his private decision and does not warrant a long thread. B Did anyone actually request these features? 9Val did the smileys in his spare time for relaxation. Some guys over at Rit found them neat and said, hey, let's include them in the release version, maybe other people like them too. That's all. No time was wasted, they give you something for free (it didn't cost you anything, nor did it cost them any time) and everybody here cries foul. About the mail chat, there may have been a request. The English lists are not the only customers of Rit, you know. On the other hand, maybe they are just innovative and are trying out something new. In any case, I don't think that the work on IMAP is slowed down by it (hey, I hear IMAP Inbox filtering suddenly works, even though they forgot to beta-test it), so I wouldn't worry about that. rg P.S. The only reason I cannot agree with your first statement above rg (that TB! is awesome) is due to the seeming disregard the user rg community's issues. Aside from that TB! is still my mailer of choice rg (warts and all, as they say). PK Agree fully. 9Val has been *very* reponsive. The issue about commmunication has been solved at Rit, IMHO. PK The only salvation is that smileys can be disengaged and using PK MicroEd editor. Chat I guess can be disregarded. Still it is an PK effort to add to the program instead of using the effort to add PK other useful features and bug corrections. I'd think, nothing has been delayed because of these little toys (that I have personally turned off, becauser I have no use for them). -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Alexander Strehmel (Unterhaching): Gerade in einem Spiel, wo die Nerven blank liegen, muss man sein wahres Gesicht zeigen und die Hosen runterlassen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Cyrille, On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 23:49:20 +0200 GMT (05/06/2004, 04:49 +0700 GMT), Cyrille wrote: C I am still hesitating to make TB my default mailer. And what I read on C this list in these last couple of days about v2.11 does not encourage me at C all TB has been my default mailer for 5 years. The reason I am not downloading 2.11 onto the office computer is that people have reported memory leaks, sometimes even leading to crashes. This is a show-stopper for me, smiley issues are not. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Durch einen Lichtstrahl drangen in der Nacht zum Freitag unbekannte Taeter in den Supermarkt ein. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: still haven't fixed the outlook concat bug...
Hello jwayne, On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 17:48:14 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 04:48 +0700 GMT), jwayne wrote: j Just upgraded TB to the latest. I'm still getting email messages from Outlook j with word concatenation. Considering the market penetration of Outlook, you'd j think that RIT would make such a bug fix a priority. Can you be more specific? I receive HTML mails (never mind from Outlook or other mailers), and TB's plain-text viewer concatenates words, and adds question marks. I think there is a bug report somewhere, let me do a search while you reply whether this is what you mean. j OTOH, you'd also think that they'd make a decent help file a priority... No, I wouldn't think that. I've known Rtilabs for too long to hope for up-to-date documentation. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Lothar Matthaeus (ehemaliger Nationalspieler) zum Koks-Skandal um Christoph Daum: Wichtig ist, dass er nun eine klare Linie in sein Leben bringt! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello mm, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 01:09:13 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 12:09 +0700 GMT), mm Meister wrote: mM I realize it's unfashionable to be happy for the new release mM with its smileys and chat, but I wish to congratulate Ritlabs on mM their inclusion of italics, bulleted lists and (of all things) mM tables. Can you teach me how to create all these in TB? I can sometimes need it in the office, because tables created in my fixed-width viewer don't display fine when the recipient uses a viewer with proportional fonts. I now sometimes attach an Excel file, but that is usually a complete overkill. mM Tables - how wonderful - now, to get Atlantis to add them... Who is Atlantis? (Apart from the kingdom at the bottom of the ocean.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It doesn't matter if you are heavily outnumbered in a fight involving martial arts - your enemies will wait patiently to attack you one by one by dancing around in a threatening manner until you have knocked them out. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello, I agree with some of you. I cannot understand why Ritlabs spends its resources for features like smiles, chat... Who needs it? The one and only reason I switched to Bat was it funcionality - mailer, no more no less. The more features they add, the more bugs the make. This is not problem only of Ritlabs. Many companies enhance their well established and fine working products to provide super new functions - and they cripple it! I can live with with mailer without icons and chat like, I guess, other 95% of Bat users. There is plenty of bugs that should be fixed, as already written! Develop plugins for major antivirus software. Provide better support. If you want to develop your chat, do separate product, don't mess Bat. So, congratulations Ritlabs, go on with new improvements that will make your Bat irresistable. Pleeease, can you implement feature for light control for my aquarium. Nice toolbar would be welcome. Fish icons and fish smiles are must! Let me know you are preparing it in order to provide me enough time to find another email client. Boris smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sending from IMAP account.
Hi Allie On Friday, June 4, 2004 18:37 your local time, which was Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 00:37 my local time, Allie Martin wrote; It may very well do. Would you try sending mail with your outbox local? I can send without trouble only when the outbox is local here. When using a server side Outbox, I get similar problems with messages not being sent. I usually have to select the message in the outbox and hit 'send queued messages'. The message is usually sent but I end up with two copies of the message sitting in the Outbox. I have to manually delete them, sometimes with problems doing so. That seems to have fixed it! :-) Very bizarre behavior, especially trying to delete the message as it's 'parked'. :-/ I've already reported this on TBBETA. Ok, saves me a job. lol -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Urban, On 05 June 2004, 03:26 +0200 (05/06/200402:26 local time) Urban [U] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: U Not just the standard ones, and that is what is so wrong. There should U at least be a warning upon sending of messages containing the U non-standard ones that they may not come out right in the viewer's mail U client. Maybe asking to send as HTML (yuck) instead so that the receiver U can read the mail the way the sender intended it. I think there is some confusion about smileys... nothing has changed in regard to sending messages. TB! will send exactly what you write. It does not send images. If you prefer not to use 'traditional' text smileys that's fine. If you prefer not to use the 'alternate' smileys that's fine. You see, it's up to you. And usually when writing a message you have a good idea who your intended audience is and if they will appreciate your smileys. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMGXWTknq5PWREYNEQJMKACfaFNO24hQQzuXieMBIhY5DNsQ3tcAn22b jzytewWB9BIoDqP6ORJBJd7W =j30B -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to mark junk and quarantaine mail as read ?
Hi, My AVG plug in move mail with virus to quarantaine folder. But these mails are not mark as read, so my tray icon still animated and account name is bold so I'm never sure that I've read all messages. Same thing happen with junk mail... Is there a way to solve this problem ? Wil from France Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: multi-language templates
Hello Cyrille, Do you have another idea what could be the reason? I fully concur with what Robin Anson tells you in his reply. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB!'s Direction
Hello Joseph, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:42:45 AM, you wrote: JN Quite apart from the usual differences about bug priorities, JN there are basic functions that are not implemented correctly, such JN as MAPI and IMAP I'm not using IMAP, but there seems to be progress since the latest release (2.11.02). -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.11.02 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to mark junk and quarantaine mail as read ?
W My AVG plug in move mail with virus to quarantaine folder. But these mails are W not mark as read, so my tray icon still animated and account name is bold so I'm W never sure that I've read all messages. Also, is there any way to suppress the message box that gets displayed when a virus is detected in mail? I'd like my mail to be silently moved to the quarantine folder. (And marked as read, as per the OP) -- Simon Elliott http://www.ctsn.co.uk Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Common Quarantine.
Hello fellow users, At the moment, whenever I receive an infected mail, it is placed in a quarantine folder in the account it was received in. This is fine, but is there a way to direct the mail into a common quarantine folder instead? -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 10:50:29 AM, Martin wrote (in part): AJ Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more AJ functional and useful features, and from bug elimination. MW For instance, the new emoticon feature was put together some weeks MW ago for personal use by one of the developers and is now in the MW latest release. Well, it would be just dandy if one of the chaps could stop it looping for personal reasons. MW Whilst typing this message in MicroEd I see many enhancements in the new MW release so it seems that efforts haven't been diverted too much after MW all! Well, then perhaps there should be some selling of the useful stuff and not so much of the frivolous stuff. MW My guess is we're seeing little snippets of the next version. I also MW think it will have universal appeal, satisfying 'newbie' and 'power MW user' alike. Sounds like a sensible commercial model to me. This *is* the next version, so, yes. I assume you refer to some greater version to follow? Version 2.2 perhaps? I'm a little tired of new versions constantly introducing features without eliminating major bugs. Also, the version numbers don't seem to mean a lot. I think there wer more differences between the 1.5x and 1.6x versions than between any of the 2.xx versions. MW And yes, I get frustrated with progress too... and that's why it's MW helpful to change your perceptual position from time to time. Standing on my head just makes it harder to type. Ever noticed that? ;-) -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Saturday, June 5, 2004, 9:49:36 AM, Allister wrote: AJ Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:06:56 AM, Simon wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. AJ OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported AJ now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report AJ looked at on this very topic (0002755). AJ Obviously TB! has a generic problem that causes CPU hogging, apparently AJ in a variety of circumstances and it is *very* annoying. AJ I don't know how many RIT folk watch this list, but if any are watching, AJ PLEASE concentrate some effort on sorting this one out before adding any AJ new features. And all you others out there who have ever experienced AJ this problem, or who feel for those who do - please add your weight to AJ this in any way you see fit. AJ Maybe if those beer mugs and fish were real they could be treated as AJ compensation of a sort, but all I see is diversion of resource. OK, sorry folks. You all want to talk about the smileys. So long, and thanks for all the fish. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Definitive list of Smilies.
Hi Allie On Friday, June 4, 2004 18:40 your local time, which was Saturday, June 5, 2004 at 00:40 my local time, Allie Martin [AM] wrote; AM There's a folder called 'Images' in the TB! installation directory. AM In it are all the smileys and a file called pdsf.msl. Open that file AM in a plain text viewer. Ah ha, excellent. There really are some 'interesting' smilies in there! What's this one all about :42:? omg -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Definitive list of Smilies.
Hi, On Saturday, June 5, 2004 11:51 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote; CW What's this one all about :42:? omg Opps, :42: -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How make smileys work?
Hi, Thanks for the advice Dennis. I have been doing all that you advised in your response, however the smiley don't show up. The steps followed by me are: 1. Open TB. 2. Create a new message. 3. Change the message format to HTML only. 4. In the message area, I just type a few smiley (as per PDSF.msl) 5. Save the message and see it in the viewer. Still can't see those illusive smiley... need more advice. I have re-installed my copy of TB, so there can't be an issue with that. -- Best regards, G Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Allister, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 22:41:37 +1200 GMT (05/06/2004, 17:41 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: SM ...the CPU usage goes to 100%... SM ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager. AJ OK, attention all! How many times has this basic symptom been reported AJ now? I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report AJ looked at on this very topic (0002755). [...] AJ OK, sorry folks. You all want to talk about the smileys. That's not true. I keep campaigning against the memory leaks, but mostly on TBBETA, I admit. I am not sure whether your bug is the same memory leak that leads to sudden crashes or not. The reason is that several people experienced what you described (cannot close TB) in one earlier version, but it hasn't been confirmed with 2.11. AJ So long, and thanks for all the fish. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. A detective can only solve a case once he has been fired from his job. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allister, On 05 June 2004, 22:39 +1200 (05/06/200411:39 local time) Allister Jenks [AJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW Whilst typing this message in MicroEd I see many enhancements in the new MW release so it seems that efforts haven't been diverted too much after MW all! AJ Well, then perhaps there should be some selling of the useful stuff and AJ not so much of the frivolous stuff. Mores the pity... but with all the misinformation going on in TBUDL at the moment it's hard to see the good stuff getting air time. ...snip MW And yes, I get frustrated with progress too... and that's why it's MW helpful to change your perceptual position from time to time. AJ Standing on my head just makes it harder to type. Ever noticed that? AJ ;-) No, I can't say I do. All I suggested was that everyone considers the current topic from someone else's perspective for a change. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMGtsDknq5PWREYNEQJWSACeJPlk7oTk1iCefzhjQxDob5fWrBQAnirX RFJzrcctibLNGfDe4xAGkn4w =Fg/L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
At 5:29 AM on Saturday, June 05, 2004 Boris BG wrote the following Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?: BG [...] So, congratulations Ritlabs, go on with new improvements that will BG make your Bat irresistable. Pleeease, can you implement feature for BG light control for my aquarium. Nice toolbar would be welcome. Fish BG icons and fish smiles are must! Let me know you are preparing it in BG order to provide me enough time to find another email client. BG [\...] Ho hum... same old, same old non-informative stuff. Pleeeze take it to the TBB[itch] list. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Jan, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 07:28:47 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 18:28 +0700 GMT), Jan Rifkinson wrote: BG [...] Pleeease, can you implement feature for light control for BG my aquarium. Nice toolbar would be welcome. Fish icons and fish BG smiles are must! [\...] JR Ho hum... same old, same old non-informative stuff. Pleeeze take JR it to the TBB[itch] list. I kind of liked his humour, though. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. He who stands on toilet, is high on pot! Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How make smileys work?
Dear Gaurav, @5-Jun-2004, 12:04 Gaurav Manchanda [GM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It would be helpful if you could post with TB - using Yahoo's webmail is breaking threads all over the place, losing context quotes and giving poor formatting. I quite understand if you are away and unable to do otherwise right now, but it's getting quite hard to follow the thread... GM Thanks for the advice Dennis. ? for instance, the advice can't be seen here nor easily found by exploring the thread. However... GM I have been doing all that you advised in your response, however GM the smiley don't show up. The steps followed by me are: GM 1. Open TB. How are you doing this? We have found that unless the Start in folder for the shortcut you use is the TB folder, smilies won't work. GM 2. Create a new message. No. This is not needed. GM 3. Change the message format to HTML only. This is certainly nothing to do with smilies. GM 4. In the message area, I just type a few smiley (as per GM PDSF.msl) GM 5. Save the message and see it in the viewer. You don't need any of this. All you need is a to view any old plain text message in the RTV which contains the standard text grins and leers ... you know, : - ) (without spaces). I don't even know if the smilies work in the HTML viewer... I suppose they do, but it's not relevant. As long as the Start in folder is correct, you are using the Rich Text Viewer (not plain text or HTML) and the Smileys option is checked in the viewer pop-up menu, you'll see them. Pick and old message -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpa3oTm0fpOf.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Boris Gereg, [BG] wrote: BG I agree with some of you. I cannot understand why Ritlabs spends BG its resources for features like smiles, chat... Who needs it? BG The one and only reason I switched to Bat was it funcionality - BG mailer, no more no less. The more features they add, the more BG bugs the make. This is not problem only of Ritlabs. Many companies BG enhance their well established and fine working products to BG provide super new functions - and they cripple it! I agree with this in principle. However, the problem is the difficulty with defining that line of 'let's stop since there are too many features'. The ones who don't like the new features are usually the ones who think the line has been crossed. The ones who wish for the new features applaud RIT for including them. I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm pretty sure he's not the only one who has appreciated the HTML editor's improvements. Those anti-HTML editor posts are still vivid in my mind. ;) Chat is a mystery for most vocal members it would seem. With all that RIT are faced with, i.e., the bug fixing and all those feature wishes/enhancements, I'd be struck dumb if that chat feature weren't really in demand by some important part of the TB! userbase. :) In fact, I've assumed it is since I've been using TB! for years and have seen the pattern. Mind you, I'm certainly not saying that RIT are above or undeserving of criticism. Sometimes we do feel left out in terms of support and in terms of how timely our user issues are being dealt with. With all that has been happening this is certainly understandable. However, I thought I'd add some aspects to the other side of the coin to try and provide some balance. BG I can live with with mailer without icons and chat like, I guess, BG other 95% of Bat users. There is plenty of bugs that should be BG fixed, as already written! Develop plugins for major antivirus BG software. RIT do not develop the actual plug-ins. That's up to the anti-virus producers who will develop a plug-in only if they find it worth their while. BG Provide better support. If you want to develop your chat, do BG separate product, don't mess Bat. They did provide a pro argument for an integrated, rather than componentized featureset with optional installs. It had to do with TB!'s performance. They have considered your concern and seem to have made their choice. BG So, congratulations Ritlabs, go on with new improvements that will BG make your Bat irresistable. Pleeease, can you implement feature for BG light control for my aquarium. Nice toolbar would be welcome. Fish BG icons and fish smiles are must! Let me know you are preparing it in BG order to provide me enough time to find another email client. This last paragraph was not necessary and only damaged your message. Tell us and RIT how you feel, which is good, but please spare us paragraphs such as these. I hope you don't feel singled out since there are others who have added their own invective to their posts. However, yours was isolated and encapsulated in a single paragraph that followed a good post that would have stood nicely on it's own without the finish. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpZPKTtXp38d.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Common Quarantine.
Hello all, Saturday, June 5, 2004, Chris Weaven wrote: At the moment, whenever I receive an infected mail, it is placed in a quarantine folder in the account it was received in. This is fine, but is there a way to direct the mail into a common quarantine folder instead? not now and this feature is included in wishlist already. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.11.02 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello all, Saturday, June 5, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote: mM I realize it's unfashionable to be happy for the new release mM with its smileys and chat, but I wish to congratulate Ritlabs on mM their inclusion of italics, bulleted lists and (of all things) mM tables. Can you teach me how to create all these in TB? I can sometimes need it in the office, because tables created in my fixed-width viewer don't display fine when the recipient uses a viewer with proportional fonts. I now sometimes attach an Excel file, but that is usually a complete overkill. YOu must use HTML editor, all these features are available on toolbar. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 2.11.02 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 AMD ThunderBird 1,2 GHz, 512 MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How make smileys work?
Gaurav Manchanda, [GM] wrote: GM Thanks for the advice Dennis. :) It would seem that these smileys are more very popular and a welcome addition for many. Though I wasn't missing them and certainly not unhappy that they're now there. They're quite pleasant and look better than their raw text counterparts. GM I have been doing all that you advised in your GM response, however the GM smiley don't show up. The steps followed by me are: GM 1. Open TB. GM 2. Create a new message. GM 3. Change the message format to HTML only. You don't have to change the message format. The smileys work *only* in the rich text viewer. You need to be using the rich text viewer to see the smileys. However, you don't have to use a special editor since the viewer interprets the ordinary smiley text you're so accustomed to and changes them to the little gifs. It's purely internal to TB! GM 4. In the message area, I just type a few smiley (as GM per PDSF.msl) GM 5. Save the message and see it in the viewer. Change to using the rich text viewer. If you already have, then the problem is with the shortcut you start TB! with. Right click the shortcut and bring up the properties. Go to the shortcut tab and check the 'Start in' field. This shouldn't be blank. It should contain the path to the TB! executable. You'll need to restart TB! using the new shortcut. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpo1fvy37r72.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF That's not true. I keep campaigning against the memory leaks, but TF mostly on TBBETA, I admit. I am not sure whether your bug is the TF same memory leak that leads to sudden crashes or not. It's not. He describes TB! not properly shutting down while doing a purge and compress on exit. On inspecting the processes in the taskmanager, thebat.exe is still there and using up 100% CPU. I've never experienced this recently. I compress only the Outbox and do no purging. I used to purge and compress on exit without problems but stopped doing so because of the long exit times and switched to a manual thing. The addition of the maintenance centre helped with that transition. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp4Pnj2FZkyV.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Allie, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:49:57 -0500 GMT (05/06/2004, 18:49 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm AM pretty sure he's not the only one who has appreciated the HTML AM editor's improvements. I always thought Maggie was a she. AM Those anti-HTML editor posts are still vivid in my mind. ;) Times do change. It has been proven again. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Bei Vollmond spricht man nicht. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A rant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On 05 June 2004, 23:16 -0500 (05/06/200405:16 local time) Allie Martin [AM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AM Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote: RG These are OPINIONS. AM .. Which at times can be harshly worded. If opinions are harshly AM worded and are deemed unreasonable, expect harsh retorts from the AM advocates you do see your arguments as unreasonable or based on AM incorrect impressions/knowledge of what is being criticized. :) If AM you're going to strongly say something against a feature, be sure you AM understand the feature before doing so. It helps the situation a lot AM when you do. I agree. Whilst words are necessary to communicate information it is people's beliefs about a conversation that lasts; i.e. the way in which we speak. We remember opinions _we_ form during conversation. Since we only rely on words (and smileys) when communicating on these lists it is important to understand the meaning of a communication is the response it illicits - - rather than the intent of the author. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMG4kDknq5PWREYNEQK4cQCfedZMpuYZtkkUvit8oj20IbAOnx4AnAzL VD/qV0CY+WQ7Qwy64xaX1Dsr =dYdC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:05:03 AM, you wrote: T Can you teach me how to create all these in TB? I can sometimes need T it in the office, because tables created in my fixed-width viewer T don't display fine when the recipient uses a viewer with proportional T fonts. I now sometimes attach an Excel file, but that is usually a T complete overkill. It's just what I saw in the nav bar in the Edit Mail Message pane, so I'm still learning, too. Now that I've gotten my overdue paper in (and, Thomas, I swiped the Churchill quote from your sigline for it) I will put more attention to the 2.11.02. T Who is Atlantis? (Apart from the kingdom at the bottom of the ocean.) Atlantis Ocean Mind - it's a wonderfully lean and very quick wordprocessor written by some equally wonderful Europeans at http://www.rssol.com/ (I hope this link comes through as clickable for you as it does not show highlighted in my html/plaintext view. Maybe I need to check the prefs...) I'm waiting rather patiently for Tables and Footnotes from them, but otherwise it runs rings around the bloatware wordprocessors out there. -- Regards, Maggie Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to mark junk and quarantaine mail as read ?
Hi On Saturday, June 5, 2004, 11:33:23 AM, I wrote: SE Also, is there any way to suppress the message box that gets displayed SE when a virus is detected in mail? I'd like my mail to be silently SE moved to the quarantine folder. (And marked as read, as per the OP) OK, I've found out how to suppress the message box now. Options-Preferences-Anti Virus Highlight AVG and click the Configure button Uncheck the Display Warning Window checkbox. This suppresses the message when received messages are scanned. Neatly, you still get the message if you save or open the infected attachment. -- Using The Bat! v2.10.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
wide msag list cudos re-installation question
Batfolk, I have 3 items : 1. IMO, the full width message list view now available is extremely useful so thanks for that, RitLabs. 2. Today I noticed that NOD32/Bat! identifies an infected file right on the subject line by inserting [virus Win32/BagleAB worm] for example before the original Re:. OTOH, maybe I didn't notice it before. In any case, it's very neat so thanks again. 3. A question: What does TB! do with an original AB when TB! is first un-installed then re-installed in the same directory. For example, I see that TB! preserves all QTs but I can't find my original AB. Ditto for personal dictionary can't figure out how to re-install my common virtual folders. Can someone help me with this? Thank you. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.11/W2K_SP3 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm AM pretty sure he's not the only one who has appreciated the HTML AM editor's improvements. TF I always thought Maggie was a she. :oops: ... I never knew. :) AM Those anti-HTML editor posts are still vivid in my mind. ;) TF Times do change. It has been proven again. ;-) Indeed. Indeed. :) -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp0LLcSRtueu.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and IMAP?
Hello Keith, Friday, June 4, 2004, 10:44:51 PM, you wrote: KR Now that I'm thinking of returning to TB for my IMAP account, can KR anyone tell me whether or not BayesIT works with IMAP? (I KR couldn't figure out a way to search this question, since so many KR users have the word BayesIT in their signatures.) KR If BayesIT doesn't work, I think my only Bayesian IMAP option is KR SpamBayes, correct? (Although PopFile is supposed to be KR supporting IMAP Very Soon Now.) SpamPal is completely compatible with IMAP. -- Best regards, Steve You grow with criticism; you are diminished with praise - French diplomat Dominique Galouzeau de Villepin TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A rant
Martin Webster, [MW] wrote: MW the meaning of a communication is the response it illicits - - MW rather than the intent of the author. Wow! Hey, I like that. :) Where did you read that? I agree with it provided that both the sender and listener have a good command of the language they're communicating in, which seems to be the case among the posters in this thread. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpnVffo7gIsG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sending from IMAP account.
Hello Allie, Friday, June 4, 2004, 6:37:31 PM, you wrote: CW Anyone any ideas why this is happening, as it's VERY frustrating! CW Would it have anything to do with both my outbox and sent items CW being server side? It may very well do. Would you try sending mail with your outbox local? I can send without trouble only when the outbox is local here. I have the same problem with either a local or server-side outbox. Chris, typically if I select the message in the outbox and wait for a bit, it appears in the preview screen. I can then double-click it to open it, add a blank space (just something to change it), then send again. Usually it will go on the second attempt, but sometimes requires a third. This probably happens to 35% of my outgoing messages. It has gotten quite tiresome. -- Dave Using The Bat! v2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hi Allie, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 7:49:57 AM, you wrote: BG Many companies enhance their well established and fine working BG products to provide super new functions - and they cripple it! AM I agree with this in principle. However, the problem is the AM difficulty with defining that line of 'let's stop since there are AM too many features'. The ones who don't like the new features are AM usually the ones who think the line has been crossed. The ones who AM wish for the new features applaud RIT for including them. In support of what you are saying, Allie, I'd like to add the following. Though I'm not particularly fond of the smileys and, having tried the chat with a friend here locally, I find Mail Chat to be pretty lame, I think that it is useful to consider how we arrived at the rich feature set that we have in The Bat!. I can imagine that back in the early days of the development of the product, some might have complained that we don't need no stinking quick templates, macro capabilities, regular expressions, mail tickers, virtual folders, or filtering capabilities when they first appeared. (In fact, some of us who haven't yet fully grasped such things as regular expressions might still be baffled about them today. Though we may avail ourselves of their power when we copy and use a QT that employs them, they still seem almost magical due to our failure to comprehend how they work.) The Ritlabs team seems to me to be constantly working to improve The Bat!, and though some improvements don't appear immediately useful to me, I for one appreciate their continued efforts to enhance this program. Some of the features may not be useful to me, but I appreciate the fact that they are trying to make an already powerful program more so. When you are brainstorming how to do that, you may come up with some goofy ideas, but if you limit your thinking by filtering out ideas that at first seem goofy, then you don't do a very good job of brainstorming. I don't expect them to bat 1.000; few people do. I can take or leave the feature set as my own needs dictate, and so can anyone else. I too agree that bugs deserve highest priority, that improving the documentation is an important priority, and that new features (particularly those that haven't been requested by the user base) should come somewhat lower on the priority list. But I also think the team's track record is pretty good, and I stick with The Bat! because of what it does better than anything else I've tried. -- Regards, Perry Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: wide msag list cudos re-installation question
Jan Rifkinson, [JR] wrote: JR 1. IMO, the full width message list view now available is JR extremely useful so thanks for that, RitLabs. Same here. I asked for it soon after I started using TB! in late 1998. :) JR 2. Today I noticed that NOD32/Bat! identifies an infected file JR right on the subject line by inserting [virus Win32/BagleAB worm] JR for example before the original Re:. OTOH, maybe I didn't notice JR it before. In any case, it's very neat so thanks again. That's NOD32 working and not TB!. NOD32's Winsock scanner will add strings like that to the headers of infected messages. Are you having any problems with memory leaking while using AMON? How JR 3. A question: What does TB! do with an original AB when TB! is JR first un-installed then re-installed in the same directory. For JR example, I see that TB! preserves all QTs but I can't find my JR original AB. Have you looked in the installation directory? Where is you mail data kept, in the Mail directory in your installation directory, or are you using the newly supported location, i.e., C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data\BatMail You need to look in your data directory for files with the .abd extension. If they're present, you could try importing them. JR Ditto for personal dictionary can't figure out how to re-install JR my common virtual folders. You'll likely have to recreate the virtual folders. For the common folders, try a CTRL-Shift-Alt-L . Interesting problems. I'm sorry that I can't more solidly help since I've never actually uninstalled and then reinstalled TB!. I always just swap executables. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp5FKGXNI36U.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 8:03:59 AM, you wrote: Allie Martin wrote: AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm AM pretty sure he's not the only one T I always thought Maggie was a she. Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!! -- Regards, Maggie Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A rant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On 05 June 2004, 07:40 -0500 (05/06/200413:40 local time) Allie Martin [AM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW the meaning of a communication is the response it illicits - - MW rather than the intent of the author. AM Wow! Hey, I like that. :) AM Where did you read that? It's a little snippet of NLP... Neuro-Linguistic Programming. Well you did ask! ;-) Original work by Messrs. Bandler and Grindler during the 1970s. It's about the nuts and bolts of human functioning and is used in therapy and personal effectiveness. AM I agree with it provided that both the sender and listener have a AM good command of the language they're communicating in, which seems AM to be the case among the posters in this thread. It can be applied universally... just depends whether you're conscious of the fact. Moreover, it's not just about words... we communicate more through posture and gesture. That's why I think it's important to think about the way you say something on a mailing list. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMHEFzknq5PWREYNEQJ4XwCgiTC3pFRBK53qb+cx9khX3dwIw4UAoLRl FanffHMVo8+WMwZkeGEvtyW5 =zLdT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello mm, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:28:15 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 19:28 +0700 GMT), mm Meister wrote: T Can you teach me how to create all these in TB? mM It's just what I saw in the nav bar in the Edit Mail Message mM pane, so I'm still learning, too. Upon Marek's tip, I switched to the HTML editor. I wrote myself an HTML mail with all features I could put into one message, and it arrived well. This thing has evolved in TB. Wow. Not that I'll now use the HTML editor as my default editor. But it is nice to know that I can do whay I need to do when need be. mM Now that I've gotten my overdue paper in What paper? (This might get OT.) mM (and, Thomas, I swiped the Churchill quote from your sigline for mM it) It wasn't Churchill. It's from a website that explains what we learn from movies. T Who is Atlantis? (Apart from the kingdom at the bottom of the ocean.) mM Atlantis Ocean Mind - it's a wonderfully lean and very quick mM wordprocessor written by some equally wonderful Europeans at mM http://www.rssol.com/ (I hope this link comes through as mM clickable for you as it does not show highlighted in my mM html/plaintext view. Maybe I need to check the prefs...) Perfectly clickable here in the plain-text viewer. Browsing the website... -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Unkosten verursachen Polizeihunde nicht, denn sie ernaehren sich von Verbrechern. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How make smileys work?
Hi, Sorry, for the inconvenience I caused on the forum. I got the thing sorted out and can use the smiley icons now. :) Thanks for the support. -- Best regards, Gaurav Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: A rant
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Martin, On 05 June 2004, 14:01 Martin Webster [MW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..snip MW It can be applied universally... just depends whether you're conscious of MW the fact. Moreover, it's not just about words... we communicate more MW through posture and gesture. That's why I think it's important to think MW about the way you say something on a mailing list. Forgot to say I've CCd this to TBOT. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMHGGDknq5PWREYNEQLXIwCaA0d7dTIoEaaf1mdxCGLIYygnR5oAn1u+ J4/Swm//CzVuP58/xKqtwPGU =+DQk -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello mm, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:52:21 -0400 GMT (05/06/2004, 19:52 +0700 GMT), mm Meister wrote: T I always thought Maggie was a she. mM Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!! If you get bored of checking, you could just refer people to the Rogues Gallery. If you send a picture to Marck first, that is. ;-) http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/rogues.html -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Early to rise and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 8:58:56 AM, you wrote: T What paper? (This might get OT.) This may sound dumb, but how does one move a thread to TBOT? Just do a cross-post? Well, I did it, and we'll see if it's right... -- Thanks, Maggie Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:58:56 AM, you wrote: TF I wrote myself an TF HTML mail with all features I could put into one message, and it TF arrived well. This thing has evolved in TB. Wow. The one thing still lacking in the HTML editor is automatic spell checking. Even the F4 command doesn't catch all the errors when in HTML. -- Best regards, Steve Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm. - Sir Winston Churchill TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 3:59:12 AM, you wrote: Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And it isn't hard to do so. U Yes, it's easy if I am on the receiving end. U Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with U a note that TB users should use the PTV (and maybe even a description U how to do that), or send whatever text I want to as an attachment. I don't understand what you're trying to say... If the receiver uses the PTV, he/she will see the smileys as they are, wtihout icons. If they use the HTML/RTV, they will see the icons instead of the plain smileys... Why should you send a note??? -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.11.02 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BayesIT and IMAP?
Hello Keith, On 5 Jun 2004 at 23:44:51 -0600 GMT [07:44 CEST] you wrote: KR Now that I'm thinking of returning to TB for my IMAP account, can KR anyone tell me whether or not BayesIT works with IMAP? (I KR couldn't figure out a way to search this question, since so many KR users have the word BayesIT in their signatures.) The Anti spam plugins don't care which protocol is used, they just get the messages from tb! So yes, Bayesit should work fine with imap. -- Cheers, Andre Love is the feeling that you feel when you feel the feeling that you never felt before. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to mark junk and quarantaine mail as read ?
Hello WilWilWil, On 5 Jun 2004 at 12:18:36 +0200 GMT [12:18 CEST] you wrote: W My AVG plug in move mail with virus to quarantaine folder. But these mails are W not mark as read, so my tray icon still animated and account name is bold so I'm W never sure that I've read all messages. W Same thing happen with junk mail... Use Mark junk as read in Prefernces- anti spam -- Cheers, Andre Geh nicht nur die glatten Strassen: geh Wege, die vor Dir noch niemand ging, damit Du Spuren hinterlässt,und nicht nur Staub. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs
Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF Upon Marek's tip, I switched to the HTML editor. I wrote myself an TF HTML mail with all features I could put into one message, and it TF arrived well. This thing has evolved in TB. Wow. This is really great to hear. The editor is a basic tool and it really should function well. It's good to know that those who wish to use the editor will no longer get frustrated. BTW, does it still send text unwrapped, even though the text is being wrapped as you edit? TF Not that I'll now use the HTML editor as my default editor. But it is TF nice to know that I can do whay I need to do when need be. Yes. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpGlvb1QJ5w7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML editor (was: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs)
Hello Steve, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:15:25 -0700 GMT (05/06/2004, 20:15 +0700 GMT), Steve Thomas wrote: ST The one thing still lacking in the HTML editor is automatic spell ST checking. Even the F4 command doesn't catch all the errors when in ST HTML. I don't use spell checkers. One reason is that in the beginning, they worked slow and even sometimes crashed my TB. While that is probably not true any more, I write in different languages and would have to switch the spell checker manually. I cannot use the crtl-handle shortcut, because all that does over here is toggle between English and Chinese keyboard layout. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Amuse yourself for endless hours by hooking a camcorder to your TV and then pointing it at the screen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello mm, On 5 Jun 2004 at 08:52:21 -0400 GMT [14:52 CEST] you wrote: AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm AM pretty sure he's not the only one T I always thought Maggie was a she. mM Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!! I can only speak for me but it would definitely help to include your first name under from: Maggie is pretty clear but I definitly look more often there than at the signature. -- Cheers, Andre I drank what? Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Andre! On Saturday, June 05, 2004, 8:52 AM, you wrote: mM Last I looked checking. Yep! A she!! AW I can only speak for me but it would definitely help to include your AW first name under from: Maggie is pretty clear but I definitly look more AW often there than at the signature. Andre, not looking at the sig, you miss all the delightful cookies! (I'm now cross-posting to tbot :) ) For instance, this one from Andre: I drank what? :42: -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Richard Wakeford wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: All TB! users presumably subscribe to this list at least That's an interesting presumption. I'd think most of them don't. Do we know how many TB! users there are and how many list subscribers? -- Mike TB! v1.60q Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Sat. d. 5-6 at 14:04 Allie Martin [AM] wrote: AM Thomas Fernandez, [TF] wrote: TF That's not true. I keep campaigning against the memory leaks, but TF mostly on TBBETA, I admit. I am not sure whether your bug is the TF same memory leak that leads to sudden crashes or not. AM It's not. He describes TB! not properly shutting down while doing a AM purge and compress on exit. On inspecting the processes in the AM taskmanager, thebat.exe is still there and using up 100% CPU. After having used the buggy TheBat for about 24 hours, I can specify the problems more detailed. If I just let TheBat fetch all new mail, which takes about 10 minutes with the bug (usually around 20 seconds), it stops using all resources, and goes back to be normal. Then it is possible to close TheBat normally, only with a second of abnormal CPU ussage. It is only some tasks which makes it use the abnormal amount of resources. Some of those tasks are: *Fetching mail *Saving an e-mail using CTRL+S (e.g. the one I'm writing now) *Applying the NOT spam-feature to a mail *Using the internal backup feature Some tasks which are normal is *Moving mails to other folders *Deleting mails I found a program which can look closer at the sub processes of a program, and the following is the results from it. The lines which I have commented starts with SM SM I run it to find the process id of TheBat (I use hybernation mode SM - my computer has not been running for 332 hrs). C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Dokumenter\download\tmppslist PsList 1.26 - Process Information Lister Copyright (C) 1999-2004 Mark Russinovich Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com Process information for ANNE-GRETHE: NamePid Pri Thd Hnd PrivCPU TimeElapsed Time Idle 0 0 10 047:43:15.765 332:20:52.681 System8 8 41 219 24 0:13:29.531 332:20:52.681 ... thebat 1596 8 11 150 7044 0:05:16.187 0:07:06.406 SM TheBat has the pid 1596, and has been running for about 8-7 SM minutes (fetching mail). ... SMI run the program for TheBat only, displaying details about sub SMprocesses. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Dokumenter\download\tmppslist -x 1596 PsList 1.26 - Process Information Lister Copyright (C) 1999-2004 Mark Russinovich Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com Process and thread information for ANNE-GRETHE: NamePid Pri Thd Hnd PrivCPU TimeElapsed Time thebat 1596 8 11 151 7044 0:05:22.125 0:07:13.171 VM WSPriv Priv Pk Faults NonP Page 51268 1463270447364 7428 23 40 Tid PriCswtchState User Time Kernel Time Elapsed Time 2168 10 25166Ready 0:00:01.296 0:00:01.4840:07:13.156 796 8 2235 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:11.734 732 9 109 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:10.656 580 7 114 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:09.765 2444 8 8 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:09.359 768 852 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:09.187 SM This one (tid 1920) is the process I suspect for beeing the SM guilty one. It only appears during the abnormal CPU ussage, and SM have a priority so some parts of TheBat will be unaffected by the SM lack of ressources. 1920 7 5744307Ready 0:00:33.343 0:04:42.0150:07:09.015 808 8 1535 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.1710:07:08.640 776 8 7 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:08.031 416 7 5447 Wait:UserReq 0:00:01.171 0:00:02.5930:06:02.000 744 8 2 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:05:02.218 SM I run it again about 20 seconds later. C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Dokumenter\download\tmppslist -x 1596 PsList 1.26 - Process Information Lister Copyright (C) 1999-2004 Mark Russinovich Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com Process and thread information for ANNE-GRETHE: NamePid Pri Thd Hnd PrivCPU TimeElapsed Time thebat 1596 8 11 150 7044 0:05:32.546 0:07:25.234 VM WSPriv Priv Pk Faults NonP Page 51268 1463270447364 7579 23 40 Tid PriCswtchState User Time Kernel Time Elapsed Time 2168 10 25836Ready 0:00:01.359 0:00:01.5000:07:25.218 796 8 2314 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:23.796 732 8 111 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:22.718 580 7 117 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:21.828 2444 8 8 Wait:UserReq 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:21.421 768 853Ready 0:00:00.000 0:00:00.0000:07:21.250
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All, Friday, June 4, 2004, 2:18:40 PM, Bob wrote: B Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these B silly features to its awesome mailer? [...] Microsoftitis. Tragic, usually fatal corporate disease. B I know I'm venting a bit and am inviting flames here, but I'd like to B know if anyone else agrees with me on this. 100% agreement here, Bob. B I certainly hope this isn't an indication of what's to come for B The Bat!. Yes, all we need is another e-mail client with a 100 megabyte executable and 20 .dll files to load. big frown - -- * * Best regards, * Marc. * New Orleans, LA (USA) * FIDONET=1:396/45 INTELEC=239:600/70 * INTERNET: marc.lewis at sstar dot com * TELNET://sursum-corda.com * BBS, DATA FAX: 1-504-897-6006 * Message NOT valid without my PGP signature. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMHX+vku/tz1Eg1XEQLtPACgpkhkksIHjzzQir0QCk98fgcrgCYAniV7 KkwFbNjJ0KayfV+hsBq8NR21 =+PVD -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spellchecker for languages in template (was: HTML editor)
Hello Thomas, Saturday, June 5, 2004, 9:25:22 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Steve, TF On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 06:15:25 -0700 GMT (05/06/2004, 20:15 +0700 GMT), TF Steve Thomas wrote: ST The one thing still lacking in the HTML editor is automatic spell ST checking. Even the F4 command doesn't catch all the errors when in ST HTML. TF I don't use spell checkers. One reason is that in the beginning, they TF worked slow and even sometimes crashed my TB. While that is probably TF not true any more, I write in different languages and would have to TF switch the spell checker manually. I cannot use the crtl-handle TF shortcut, because all that does over here is toggle between English TF and Chinese keyboard layout. You can put in the templates either of the specific folders or specific persons in the addressbook the language to be used. To make sure that the default will stay for everyone else you need that in the default template also %Language=xx xx is the actual language BR or NN etc. It works for me. -- Best regards, Peter Kerekes (Toronto, Canada) An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happened today. -- by Laurence J. Peter TB! v2.11.02 and BayesIt! 0.5.5 on Windows 98 SE4.10.1998 A Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTML editor (was: v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs)
Hello Allie, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 08:29:09 -0500 GMT (05/06/2004, 20:29 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM BTW, does it still send text unwrapped, even though the text is being AM wrapped as you edit? I didn't check that. May I'll do tomorrow. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Kommt ein Mann in ne Bank: Haende raus, Geld hoch, ich bin eine Geisel! - Gell, Sie wollen's in Schilling? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Simon Mikkelsen, [SM] wrote: SM It is only some tasks which makes it use the abnormal amount of SM resources. Some of those tasks are: SM *Fetching mail SM *Saving an e-mail using CTRL+S (e.g. the one I'm writing now) SM *Applying the NOT spam-feature to a mail SM *Using the internal backup feature Interesting. I've never really ever had a problem with TB! consuming an inordinate amount of CPU resources. Things that come to mind and are worth checking: - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. Though messages are filtered to other folders and most messages are immediately sent, a copy of every incoming and outgoing message is stored in those folders. If you don't compress them, TB! will soon need to use a lot of resources to handle them. - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for problems as you're experiencing. The same goes for spam and antivirus proxy software or those that monitor mail traffic before TB! gets at it. NOD32 uses a Winsock scanner which causes a TB! memory leak on my system. That same Winsock scanner was causing my mailserver to crash while sending mail and then quickly manipulating IMAP mail. I used to think it was TB! causing the server crashes. - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an inordinately long time with it. - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpVYdji4PPdR.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello TBUDL, I have a Virtual Folder SPAM, where the Filter is Colour is Spam. It searches in all folders, except other VFs and some account trash folders. The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. I've turned the message folder column of, so this is not the mail that went to trash. Though when the marked messages gets read or assigned to another colour group the VF is updated correctly. This is reproducable, also after restarting. keep bugfixin'.. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Lifted with The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Random software tip: [***] PowerPro (http://www.windowspowerpro.com) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello dAniel, The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.03 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding macros as I write-on the fly
Dear Michael, @5-Jun-2004, 12:02 -0700 (05-Jun 20:02 UK time) Michael L. Wilson [MLW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to The: MLW There have been times, when writing a new email, that I would like to MLW insert a macro. That's a good use for Quick Templates. MLW This would to give some information, or add a cookie. It seems MLW that when I write %COOKIE in the middle of a message, when the MLW receipient gets it, it has the macro, un-expanded still in the MLW message. Is there a way to enter a macro in a mew message on MLW the fly and have it expand as I send it? Put the macro into a QT. Type the handle of the QT in the message body and press Ctrl+Space. The QT will be invoked and the Macro command obeyed. That should do it for you. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpS64abyBn5F.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selection in Folder?
Hello tbudl, As I go through my messages, I click on each folder (All or Unread, show unread only clicked if I remember), scan down the message list from top to bottom, clicking on those I want to preview or open. How does TB! decide which message will be selected when I click on a folder? Almost always it's in the middle or bottom of the list, instead of at the top, where I want it. Can anyone explain this behavior or suggest how I can get TB! to do what I want it to do? Thanks! -- M-K Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Saturday, June 5, 2004, Richard Wakeford wrote:
I don't understand why you should have to do that? All TB! users
presumably subscribe to this list at least
But not everybody is a TB user :-( and even some TB users don't know
English.
Other e-mail programmes work in different ways so they either accept
Smilies, in which case the user involved will also be used to them and
know what to do if they have the option of not wanting to see them or,
with the rest, they will just see the normal : - ) instead.
^
What a good example of the reason I don't like the smilies as they are
today: The way they work is form /leading/ function instead of form
/following/ function.
It shouldn't be up to the author to find up work-arounds if (s)he wants
or needs something to be interpreted literarily; not while (s)he is
writing, anyway.
E-mail is about communicating, and communicating is about transferring
ideas and/or thoughts to another person in such a way that they don't
misinterpret your intentions. {Infoga Vygotskij-citat här}
I find Smilies brighten up mail but sometimes I just want to read it
plain so it's a very simple right click and de select.
SUPPOSED TO BE READ PLAINI use the PTV myself, so I'm not really
bothered by the smilies as such now that I am seasoned enough not to be
baffled by the occasional (b) or :42: showing up in illogical
places./SUPPOSED TO BE READ PLAIN
--
Urban
South America has cold summers and hot winters, but somehow they still
manage.
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Re: Definitive list of Smilies.
Saturday, June 5, 2004, Chris Weaven wrote: Opps, :42: There's this book, The Hitchiker's Guide To the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (actually it's a trilogy consisting of five books)... Without revealing too much I can tell you that forty-two is of great importance. -- Urban Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving people advice. They killed him. Socrates died from an overdose of wedlock. After his death, his career suffered a dramatic decline. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello TBUDL, on Sat, 5. Jun 2004 at 20:54:08 +0200 MAU wrote: The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF? I tried that using 'esc' before, but with Folder-Refresh now it works. After doing so, it now also refreshed automatically correctly (at least once). Perhaps that fixed it. Thanks. -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc Lifted with The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP Service Pack 1. Random software tip: [***] Total Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
IMAP/TB! has gone VERY wrong!
Hi TB! users, I've been using TB! for a bit today, and it's suddenly gone all mad on me! I first spotted the problem when I noticed some of my mail that was previously being auto-filtered was no longer moving. Fine I thought, I'll try manually triggering the filter, but again, nothing happened :-( Then on further inspection, I noticed the folder counts were randomly flashing up like they were trying to refresh the count. I had 6 unread previously filtered mail in one folder and about 4 previously filtered unread mail in another. On opening the folders to read those mails, I couldn't see them and the count (6) was still there. From that, I thought I'd send myself a quick test message, and wow, that caused problems! The mail went to the outbox and sent as expected, but it then didn't move from the outbox and the count remained at 1. The mail was then being sent every 1 minute on connection to the server and I couldn't delete the mail from the outbox! It sent 12 copies before I Ctrl-Alt-Del'd it. On restarting TB!, the same problem and I got two AV's (attached). God damn, I just got a Not Responding when trying to browse for the file to attach! This isn't good news! :-/ -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP/TB! has gone VERY wrong!
Hi Chris On Saturday, June 5, 2004 21:59 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote; Forgot the list doesn't allow for screen images. CW On restarting TB!, the same problem and I got two AV's (attached). Therefore, they can be found here; http://w-world.net/forum_images/TB!-AV's.jpg -- Cheers, Chris Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] U But not everybody is a TB user :-( I realise that and was referring to just the TB! users. U and even some TB users don't know English. Yes but there are mailing lists for TB! in lots of other languages as well. normal : - ) instead. I wrote it that way with the spaces so that everyone would see it as a non smilie whatever settings they have. U E-mail is about communicating, and communicating is about U transferring ideas and/or thoughts to another person in such a way U that they don't misinterpret your intentions. I agree but, even without smilies (or the old version as above) there is a chance of misinterpretation because, without eye contact, body language and voice interpretation a lot is missing from messages and I have, as all of us probably have on occasion, misread a message as aggravating when it isn't or vice versa. UI use the PTV myself, so I'm not really bothered by the smilies Well isn't that the joy of TB! in that it caters for many tastes? I've never touched the mail ticker apart from a quick play with it right at the beginning but others swear by it. Every Bat user has different opinions as to what should or should not be in it. If everyone's tastes were catered for and the requests for other facilities that have been asked for were added, it would become many times more varied and versatile (couldn't think of a better word) than it already is. I think its core facility still knocks spots of Eudora, Pocomail and Pegasus - the only others I've really had a go at. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.11.02 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
First of all, Thomas, Rich, Allie, Simon, thanks for the useful feedback. There are a few things I can look at now. This is precisely my beef with the Bug report - no feedback of any kind. Sunday, June 6, 2004, 3:55:48 AM, Allie wrote: AM Interesting. I've never really ever had a problem with TB! consuming AM an inordinate amount of CPU resources. Lucky you! AM Things that come to mind and are worth checking: AM - folder compression, especially for the Inbox and Outbox. Though AM messages are filtered to other folders and most messages are AM immediately sent, a copy of every incoming and outgoing message is AM stored in those folders. If you don't compress them, TB! will soon AM need to use a lot of resources to handle them. The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( The compression/purge *completes* and that window disappears before the extreme CPU occurs. At the time of extreme CPU there are no TB! windows or tray icons present anywhere. It is actually possible (if a little slow) to start TB! again - in which case you get a new task. Exit that one and you have two tasks trying to take over. At this point even one of the simple OpenGL screensavers (FlowerBox or the like) are basically frozen when they engage. This on a 1.3GHz system with a kick-ass graphics card. AM - plugin use, especially antispam have been reportedly culpable for AM problems as you're experiencing. The same goes for spam and antivirus AM proxy software or those that monitor mail traffic before TB! gets at AM it. NOD32 uses a Winsock scanner which causes a TB! memory leak on my AM system. That same Winsock scanner was causing my mailserver to crash AM while sending mail and then quickly manipulating IMAP mail. I used to AM think it was TB! causing the server crashes. I had the problem before and after using BayesIt, before and after using AVG plugin and before and after switching to Avast antivirus with plugin (I'm now back with AVG). I've had the problem since about 1.6x or thereabouts. AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about the only constant in this whole affair. I've been meaning to re-import from an old backup all those lost messages from the repair I did, but so far have not been brave enough. I wonder now whether I should recover that whole account somehow? AM - check your temp folder for overload. TB! uses the temp folder when AM downloading messages and an overloaded temp folder will slow it down. Nope. Problem evident directly after a full re-install of XP, TB!. -- Cheers, Allister Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why should you send a note??? U Because I do NOT want them to use the icons under ANY circumstances. But the icons themselves aren't used when you send the mail. If you write :-) then that is what is seen in the PTV. Others who use RTV will see the icons because they have presumably chosen that viewer to do so. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.11.02 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selection in Folder?
Saturday, June 5, 2004, Munango-Keewati wrote: How does TB! decide which message will be selected when I click on a folder? It's the last message you had selected when you left the folder. -- Urban When you smell an odorless gas, it is probably carbon monoxide Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Answering Chat
Someone sends me a message from their mail chat window. It comes into my inbox when I poll for mail. The message, though visible in the preview pane, will not open. If I go into my own chat mode, the message is not there. I can select the message and click 'reply,' to send back a response, but this is not chatting. What is someone supposed to do when in incoming chat msg arrives? -- JN Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Answering Chat
Hello Joseph, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 23:20:24 + (UTC) you [JN] typed: JN What is someone supposed to do when in incoming chat msg arrives? Make sure you have the contact's e-mail address in TB!'s address book *or* Chat Mode is set to All in Account Properties/Chat. I assume you have the latest program release. -- Sergey Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
cleaning up replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings All, I have installed and am using the clean subject macro from silverstones. I am looking for something that will look at all the quotes text and find yahoo ads at the bottom, nod32 taglines, etc. I am an experienced C/java/javascript programmer, I just need a start. For example, can I set my cleaned text to the %TEXT macro and have it pasted? These types of things are not documented well. Also, most of the links on silverstones do nothing, so if someone wants to map silverstones for this group, that would be great. - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philospher Teacher Critic Big Brother is watching - George Orwell (1984) - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.11.02 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Surfing with FireFox Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall iTunes is now playing: Third Day - 'Til The Day I Die _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X / \ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMJmUG2u7N+Qh+ieEQKwIQCgqJ1ZM0wLszymlN2iZ5ekgz38AZgAnite Ti1rHcvnBTQPEfmXPQfrXqZe =rCV9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
Dear Michael, @5-Jun-2004, 17:33 -0700 (06-Jun 01:33 UK time) Michael L. Wilson [MLW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to The: MLW I have installed and am using the clean subject macro from MLW silverstones. I am looking for something that will look at all the MLW quotes text and find yahoo ads at the bottom, nod32 taglines, etc. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction is a good starting point. MLW I am an experienced C/java/javascript programmer, I just need a MLW start. For example, can I set my cleaned text to the %TEXT MLW macro and have it pasted? These types of things are not MLW documented well. The QT *is* the paste in itself. Anything that results in text output is conveyed from the QT to the message body. MLW Also, most of the links on silverstones do nothing, so if someone MLW wants to map silverstones for this group, that would be great. How do you mean the links do nothing? I do try my best to keep it all up to date. What's wrong? Mind you, I can't fix anything on the server for a few days - FTP access is down right now and it might not come back until David E gets back from his hols. In the meantime, I'm about to shift the site to a new host and intend to rework the Library handler. Any hints for improvements welcome (although not necessarily on this list). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpbcH50AhARi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Messages Appearing In Chat Folder
Hi Tbudl, I was testing some outgoing filters by sending messages to myself. The filter appears to be working, but a copy of the outgoing message is showing up in a chat folder, which I don't even recall creating. Is this a bug or as intended? If intended, why? -- Best regards, Rusty Farabee Reply Mail To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP/TB! has gone VERY wrong!
Chris Weaven, [CW] wrote: CW I first spotted the problem when I noticed some of my mail that was CW previously being auto-filtered was no longer moving. Fine I thought, CW I'll try manually triggering the filter, but again, nothing happened :-( I no longer am able to leave TB! running for long periods since something usually happens with IMAP that requires a restart to get working correctly again. However, I've discovered that disconnecting from the server and then reconnecting also helps in some instances. Otherwise an exit and restart is all that will help. CW Then on further inspection, I noticed the folder counts were CW randomly flashing up like they were trying to refresh the count. I CW had 6 unread previously filtered mail in one folder and about 4 CW previously filtered unread mail in another. On opening the folders CW to read those mails, I couldn't see them and the count (6) was CW still there. Try a restart and emptying the cache for all local IMAP folders. You'll be sortof starting with a clean slate. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpLdiaEyvyqS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Allister Jenks, [AJ] wrote: AJ The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until AJ I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in AJ the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. AJ You win some, you lose some. :-( This is sounding like the problem. That account has messed up mailbases that are only partially repaired. When TB! attempts compressions, problems start. AJ The compression/purge *completes* and that window disappears AJ before the extreme CPU occurs. It may not have really completed since TB! is still running and busy. Something is stuck though the GUI shuts down. Something else is still going. AJ At the time of extreme CPU there are no TB! windows or tray icons AJ present anywhere. It is actually possible (if a little slow) to AJ start TB! again - in which case you get a new task. Exit that one AJ and you have two tasks trying to take over. At this point even one AJ of the simple OpenGL screensavers (FlowerBox or the like) are AJ basically frozen when they engage. This on a 1.3GHz system with a AJ kick-ass graphics card. Kick-ass eh? Is it one of them babies that requires a double fan cooling system and air vents? ;) Anyway, it's amazing how our kick-ass hardware can be brought to its knees by problem software/processes. AJ This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I AJ originally suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe AJ TB! is doing something at the last gasp, after the windows are all AJ closed and maybe this is tripping over a dodgy account. My AJ mailbase is, after all, about the only constant in this whole AJ affair. Agreed. What you will have to do is painstaking. You could try exporting the messages for each folder, then delete the account, create a new account and then import the messages to brand new folders. I just hope it isn't one of those accounts with 150 folders. Yikes! If so, then I suggest using virtual folders to help cut down on the folders next time around. :) -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgp8CGlBI66yC.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Urban, [U] wrote: U Because I do NOT want them to use the icons under ANY circumstances. If U I write h2g2 it is because I _mean_ the book, not some little image over U which I have no control (unless I break into the computer of the one who U is receiving the mail and remove it from her/his pdsf.msl). This little dilemma is really no different from neatly banging together a table in plain text using a fixed width font. You wish the other person at the other end to see the table as you constructed it. Pity that you can't break into their machines to make them use the PTV that uses only fixed width fonts. :) If they wish to use emoticons to translate common character combo's into images, then that's their prerogative. If some of your text is unintentionally converted to emoticon images in the same way that your table or signature is messed up when viewed with a variable width font, then we can't really do much about it. There are limits to how we can assure what the other party will see at the other end. Denying them emoticon support if they want it isn't, IMO, a reasonable solution. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpQrO93x5RoS.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Mary, On 5 Jun 2004 at 09:05:02 -0500 GMT [16:05 CEST] you wrote: MB Andre, not looking at the sig, you miss all the delightful cookies! MB (I'm now cross-posting to tbot :) ) It's not that I ignore sigs completely. But will not spend all parts of it equal attention. The cookies is the most interesting part of it of course. But I meant something different: when mentioning someone or someone' mail I don't look at the mail itself. I may only look at the message list. When I want to know from whom a mail is that's where I look. Not all sigs carry a name, but the header usually does. It really helps if it's there more than elsewhere. MB For instance, this one from Andre: MB I drank what? I like it. It's funny (or maybe it isn't. But I imagine it to be.). MB :42: As always. :) -- Cheers, Andre Let me assure you that to us here at First National, you're not just a number. You're two numbers, a dash, three more numbers, another dash and another number. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Maggie, On 5 Jun 2004 at 13:59:04 -0400 GMT [19:59 CEST] you wrote: M I found Folder - Properties - Identity and changed it to Maggie. Is it better now? Yes perfect. :) You can even do it on a per template basis: %from='Name address' -- Cheers, Andre The world is only as big as the window you open to it. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:08:18 +1200, Allister Jenks wrote: The compression/purge used to run very slowly for my first account until I repaired it. Now that TB! has thrown away about 3/4 of my inbox in the repair process, the whole compression/purge is a lot more timely. You win some, you lose some. :-( Listen carefully. I will say this only once. TB! Usage Rule Number One: NEVER leave mail in the Inbox. The Inbox is the folder with the most traffic of all, which makes it also the most vulnerable. Use filters to move ALL incoming mail to different folders, even if it doesn't seem necessary. Using the Inbox for storing messages is asking for trouble. Arjan -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, at 01:41:14 [GMT+0100] (which was Sat, 17:41:14 In San Jose, CA, USA) you wrote: MDP How do you mean the links do nothing? I do try my best to keep it MDP all up to date. What's wrong? Mind you, I can't fix anything on the MDP server for a few days - FTP access is down right now and it might MDP not come back until David E gets back from his hols. On the front page, there is a button for the official FAQs for The Bat. The url is http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBFAQ.html. When I click on it, I get a blank screen that never shows any data. There is, therefore, no straight link to the library.html you referred to. Also, the How-To page displays nothing, just a blank page. - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philospher Teacher Critic If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. - - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.11.02 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X / \ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMJ7F22u7N+Qh+ieEQIhIgCdH26OzvINOMHJun3wRl3QddCivOsAn2Aa uZJPcJPsjfMoajGMRv8ZVTZU =FNyW -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
installing 2.11
Good morning list, When installing TB! 2.11 it installs in a self created folder ...\The Bat 2\ In my previous versions i had a folder Mail, but in the folder ...\The Bat 2\ that one has disappeared. Is this normal, or do i have to install 2.11 on top of the previous version? If not, can i safely remove the previous version? -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com Powered by The Bat! version 2.11 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 and using the best browser: Opera. In England, people actually try to be brilliant at breakfast. Only dull people are brilliant at breakfast. - Oscar Wilde Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, at 01:41:14 [GMT+0100] (which was Sat, 17:41:14 In San Jose, CA, USA) you wrote: MDP The QT *is* the paste in itself. Anything that results in text MDP output is conveyed from the QT to the message body. I have modified the QT to get rid of many things, but not matter what I do, I cannot get rid of this line: __ NOD32 1.713 (20040409) Information __ The 1.713 changes every couple of days. I have tried * and ?? and many other things, yet it remains. Any ideas? - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philospher Teacher Critic If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. - - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.11.02 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X / \ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMKNCm2u7N+Qh+ieEQInUQCfX0LnEuEqojuKkx5ON9Gp8CrObokAoI2d k2GZ2H0mh9U4YY/Qy8PwYRIC =mFJY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004, at 01:41:14 [GMT+0100] (which was Sat, 17:41:14 In San Jose, CA, USA) you wrote: MDP http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html#quote+extraction is MDP a good starting point. Any ideas how to modify this macro to make these lines disappear? __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ - -- Rev. Michael L. Wilson, MBA Philospher Teacher Critic If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. - - Exploiting The Bat! version 2.11.02 Hamstrung with Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Scanning with Nod32 anti-virus Sifting with SpamPal anti-Spam Hiding behind Outpost Pro Firewall _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X / \ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: iQA/AwUBQMKPEW2u7N+Qh+ieEQIxjwCgw81lpF80KvGurnZseAGbRipXdzUAnRvY njrfr2+I52Oe1LsUbI5bsU7h =zB8R -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello rich, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:03:37 -0400 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:03 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: they give you something for free and everybody cries foul rg Nobody here has cried foul since this information was divulged, which rg in TBUDL time, has been quite a while now. rg I feel, as I am sure that most TB! users do, that the effort (now that rg it is understood) is very much appreciated. Good. rg Can we all please now focus on asking answering questions and stop rg dwelling on who thought what when? I post one message in this thread after ignoring so many in TBBETA and here about the smileys. And I get this. Oh, well... ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Si le travail c'est l'opium du peuple, alors je ne veux pas finir drogué...[ Boris Vian ] Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: deleted messages stay in Virtual Folder
Hello MAU, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 20:54:08 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:54 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: The problem I'm experiencing is that the mails stay in the VF after I delete them from Inbox. M Does it still show if you do a manual Refresh of the VF? I just did that, and the VF seems to work correctly now. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. From page 468 of Using Turbo C++ by Herbert Schildt: REMEMBER: The private parts of an object are accessible only by functions that are members of that object. (Well, there goes free love...) Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello Allister, On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 09:08:18 +1200 GMT (06/06/2004, 04:08 +0700 GMT), Allister Jenks wrote: AM - a mailbase that is problematic will have TB! spending an AM inordinately long time with it. AJ This is my current favourite. Despite my comments above, I originally AJ suspected the account I subsequently repaired. Maybe TB! is doing AJ something at the last gasp, after the windows are all closed and maybe AJ this is tripping over a dodgy account. My mailbase is, after all, about AJ the only constant in this whole affair. Try this: Create a new folder. Can be inthe same account. Go to the troublesome Inbox. Mark all messages, and copy them to the newly-created folder. Close TB. Delete the messages.tbb and messages.tbi files in the Inbox' directory. (What I do in such cases is to just rename, them, so TB won't find them, but I can still go back if I want to.) Open TB. a new messages.tbb will be created, but your Inbox is now empty. Go to the new folder and copy all messages to the Inbox. Now see if the problem has disappeared. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Man: Your place or mine? Woman: Both. You go to yours, and I'll go to mine. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources
Hello rich, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 14:12:23 -0400 GMT (06/06/2004, 01:12 +0700 GMT), rich gregory wrote: I keep campaigning against the memory leaks rg I am using FreeRam XP Pro to keep memory leaks in check. It is not a rg perfect solution but (on my Win98se PCs) it has helped considerably to rg make the machines more stable. I use MViewer, which shows a simple bar on the edge of the screen. I have set it to always on top. I also use MPower, with which I can do a lot more. Both available for free from Sysinternals. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. My goal is to be a meterologist. But since I possess no training in meteorology, I suppose I should try stock brokerage. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 21:01:46 +0200 GMT (06/06/2004, 02:01 +0700 GMT), Urban wrote: Why should you send a note??? U Because I do NOT want them to use the icons under ANY circumstances. It's his choice. U If I write h2g2 it is because I _mean_ the book, not some little U image over which I have no control But he does, and he choses to view your message in a way you have not written it. His problem, not yours. U (unless I break into the computer of the one who is receiving the U mail and remove it from her/his pdsf.msl). I believe you could do that. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. File - What your secretary does to her nails when the computer is doing all of the work. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?
Hello Urban, On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 16:38:59 +0200 GMT (05/06/2004, 21:38 +0700 GMT), Urban wrote: U It shouldn't be up to the author to find up work-arounds if (s)he wants U or needs something to be interpreted literarily; not while (s)he is U writing, anyway. Correct, as the smiley-function in TB has nothing to do with the author. It is only and exclusively up to the recipient to decide whether he wants Ascii-smileys replaced by icon-smileys. Please stop this thread. The smileys have nothing to do with the sender of an email, this is not HTML! You send the email as usual. The receipient, if he uses the RTV in TB, can choose to have the emoticons replace by smileys. It is his choice, and only his. Again: This has *nothing* to do with the sender. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. You know that little indestructible black box that is used on planes; why can't they make the whole plane out of the same substance ? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.11 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: cleaning up replies
Michael L. Wilson, [MLW] wrote: MLW I have modified the QT to get rid of many things, but not matter what MLW I do, I cannot get rid of this line: MLW __ NOD32 1.713 (20040409) Information __ MLW The 1.713 changes every couple of days. I have tried * and ?? and MLW many other things, yet it remains. Any ideas? I think that line is generated by NOD32's IMON. You can disable the generation of those lines by adjusting the IMON settings. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpLGqMMItHWL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
