setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi, I have messages for a particular mailing list filtered into a folder. When I reply to messages on this, they go to the original sender rather than the list. How do I change this so that replies always go to the list instead? I'd like to avoid using folder templates if possible. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Nick Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 3:31:19 PM, you wrote: NA Use the following macro in your AB Template to force the Reply-To header NA to reflect the List Address... use for both New Messages and Replies: NA %ReplyTo=Actual List Address I've already tried that. Didn't work, I'm afraid. Would you know why? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Edgar Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 4:57:55 PM, you wrote: E - Is the mailing list address in the original header? Yes, it's in the To address field. E - Is there a sort of mark in the subject like [group]? I looked for that too but there isn't. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 4:26:04 PM, you wrote: RO In that case you could create a filter that exports a message to a RO file with a template that adds a reply-to header and that imports the RO message in the right folder via 'execute external program' Interesting approach :) I thought I was missing a simple way to do it, but apparently not. I'll give Nick's suggestion a whirl and come back to this if it doesn't work. Thanks Roelof. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Nick Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 5:05:16 PM, you wrote: NA Hmmm? I think I misread your Posting... sorry for confusing you. I too NA have one such List that I had to create a Folder level Template to NA overcome this. As Roelof mentioned, you have to fool around with your NA To: address. Here is how I changed mine to work: NA %TO=%TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is this a folder template or address book? And just to make sure, there *are* supposed to be two TO's in there, right? (unusual syntax, with the apparently unbalanced quotation marks :)) Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:06:23 AM, you wrote: RO A folder template. damn :) RO There must be two %To macros, but if you look again, you'll see that RO the quotation marks are balanced. RO The %To macro adds an address to the To: header, the only exception is RO when you're using %To=, that clears the To: header. RO What the macro above does, could be placed on two lines: RO %TO=%- RO %TO=GnuPG Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] RO First you clear the To: header, then you add an address. ah ok..now it makes sense. The two quotation marks after the first %To are meant to represent an empty field. The way it was written, it wasn't clear. Thanks! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: setting reply-to for a particular mailing list
Hi Roelof Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:08:28 AM, you wrote: RO That would be my way too, but you insisted on 'no folder templates'. RO ;-) Well, all Marck's admonitions on how evil they are were bound to have some effect! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: problems with yahoo attachments
Hi Edgar Wednesday, November 19, 2003, 2:37:38 PM, you wrote: E The only thing that I have is that some messages seems to have E double spacing in the text. Yes I've noticed that too. I actually figured out how to view those 1.msg attachments. If you enable view RFC 822 headers then you can read them, albeit with all the irritating HTML tags in text form. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and Hotmail Popper problems
Hi Susanne Thursday, November 20, 2003, 10:57:39 PM, you wrote: S It looks like I'm loosing quite a few messages! S Does anyone know of another program like Hotmail Popper, S that I could try instead? You could try Web2Pop. I've had mixed experiences, but I'll lay them out so you can judge for yourself. - It works very well and has a huge number of plugins to support different webmail providers( hotmail, yahoo, fastmail, you name it). - I used to have the dupes problem too. The dupes weren't blank messages, though, so I never actually lost anything. (Try enabling RFC 822 headers on those blank mails to see if anything shows up - it works for me often.)But I changed three things, and I'm not sure which of them is responsible for fixing the problems: 1. One, I re-downloaded and reinstalled web2pop. The website didn't reflect this, but there was actually a version change because the exe file sizes of what I was originally using and what I downloaded. 2. Two, I changed my options to delete from server instead of keeping them on the server as I used to. 3. Three, I changed from ZoneAlarm to BlackICE. I did some testing on this though and it was not ZA that was responsible. However, ZA does create problems for some people, so I thought I'd mention it anyway. - On Yahoo, I sometimes have problems viewing forwarded HTML messages. They appear as 1.msg, 2.msg attachments etc. Doesnt happen all the time. But I figured out that viewing RFC 822 headers would let you view these, though the HTML tags would be visible. Final decision? I'm sticking with Web2POP. It does a pretty good job. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TB and Hotmail Popper problems
Hi Susanne Friday, November 21, 2003, 5:27:11 PM, you wrote: S I looked at Web2pop, but it seems you can only receive mail S with it, not send... That's true. For sending you usually need an account on an SMTP server. Most people get one from their ISP. Since you're using MSN broadband, though, I'm not sure if you've been given such an account. They probably expect you to use hotmail for everything. There's a way you can get such an account, though. There are numerous other webmail providers such as www.mailandnews.com that do give you a SMTP account you can use to send mail. Hunt around - you're sure to find one. When you do, come back here and we'll help you set it up so that you can send mail through web2pop. It's really easy if you haven't done it before. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Feature Request
Hi Thomas Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote: S 1) I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is S an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same S sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the S problem on error, change folder name color would be cool. Keep the bold S for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account TF No; I have the same problem as Scott. I agree with both of you. This would be very helpful. TF However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a pop-up is TF even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it easy to TF determine which account failed. Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One little problem I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll up/down the account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account might not be immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain fails to suggest a better alternative than below for now :) Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too difficult to tack on an account name to that. As it stands, I find it not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply 5 messages received or error, blah blah does not help me. In a single account scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem. Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out. Or we could have a little error panel button in there somewhere...ahhh..I need to go wake up properly before I do this! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Feature Request
Hi Thomas Wednesday, November 26, 2003, 8:24:56 PM, you wrote: S 1) I would like to see the folder name in the list change colors when ever there is S an error getting email. When I have multiple email accounts, and hear the same S sound for a get email error, its a pain to track down which one(s) are the S problem on error, change folder name color would be cool. Keep the bold S for new/unread email, just give it a red if the error dings for that account TF No; I have the same problem as Scott. I agree with both of you. This would be very helpful. TF However, I'm not a friend of many colours on one screen, but a pop-up is TF even more annoying, and I have no other idea how to make it easy to TF determine which account failed. Colors are a great way to draw attention to screen objects. Far more effective than most other factors, and this has been scientifically proven. One problem I can see with this scenario is that the user might have to scroll up/down the account tree if they are all expanded, and the offending account might not be immediately visible. I just woke up, though, and my woolly brain fails to suggest a better alternative than below for now :) Apart from this. The log panel at the bottom of the screen has always seemed to be lacking one essential detail to me - the account *name*. I am aware of what it picks out from the log files to display, but it wouldn't be too difficult to tack on an account name to that error. As it stands, I find it not of much use simply because I have so many accounts. Seeing simply 5 messages received or error, blah blah does not help me. In a single account scenario it would be great. If the last one checked also happened to have an error, the log panel could provide a partial solution to Simon's problem. Partial because it won't work if multiple accounts conked out. Or we could have a little error panel button in there somewhere...ahhh..I need to go wake up properly before I do this! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
running maintenance with scheduler
Hi, Is there any way to run the folder maintenance process using the scheduler? I'd like to do this about once a week. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
Hi Simon, VN Solutions I have tried (none worked): Are you by any chance using EFS? I had problems like the ones you described when encrypting the mail base folders and then using multiple profiles and checking mail so I stopped using it. No I'm not using EFS. I only compress the folders when TB exits. Could you tell me how you have your own machine set up, so I can compare? Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
I'm afraid I had to delete the mails several people sent me in response to my question because of the same problems I was talking about. I can't remember what their names were, so I'll try and reply to all of them here: Someone suggested checking the User Depot registry settings to fix this. I did look at the settings and for some reason the entries for dir#1, dir#2 etc. were empty. I presume this was because I had not set up any specific directories and TB was using the defaults. I modified these entries to reflect the actual directories where I was storing my mail. Unfortunately this didn't work and the problems continued. I haven't tried exporting and importing the whole TB registry key tree yet. I was also asked by someone else why I was using a PU account instead of an admin account for all my work. The reason is security. In Windows, as in Linux, I usually avoid using the Admin account unless I absolutely need to, in case I inadvertently make a systemwide change that could have security implications. I'm not familiar, but not extremely well so with Win2K yet. This also serves to protect me in case I happen to be affected by some kind of malware that spreads and causes damages commensurate with the privileges of the user that executed it. By avoiding the admin account I can minimize the potential danger. As a temporary fix, I've deleted all the shortcuts to TB from my admin desktop so that I don't even TRY to use it from there :) I'd really like to know how someone else has configured their system, however, and what TB tries to save emails in .tmp files in my user's temp directory for. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files -HELP!
My setup is essentially similar. I use a common data folder, not on a separate partition though. I also set up the same TB accounts so that they use the same mail base. I don't see any reason for TB to behave this way :( Could you tell me what your security permissions for the MAIL and TB folders look like? And have you ever noticed TB try to do some processing in the temp folder? Perhaps one of the developers, if they're on the list, could provide an answer to that last bit? -Vishal Wednesday, October 23, 2002, 10:47:25 AM, you wrote: S I have multiple profiles set up for various uses. For example, I have a S design authoring profile and an Internet profile and a main profile, and a S testing profile. I access my mail from each one. I launch TB! from the same S installation folder, and the mail base is stored under a common data folder S on a partition. When logged into each profile I set up the same TB! accounts S so that they all use the common mail base. I never have problems like this, S and it means I always have access to my mail... which is most important of S course g S - -- S Slán, Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mail disappears when switching from Administrator to User on Win2K
Hi, I have a problem when switching from Administrator and User logins on my Win2K machine. I frequently switch between the two, and use The Bat to check my email from both. However, if I check my email when logged on as Admin, and then switch back to User later on, I notice the following when I open The Bat as a User: 1. All my email has disappeared! All inboxes, all accounts are empty except for the Sent Items and Trash folders which contain messages I sent in an earlier session as User or messages deleted then. 2. If I log back on as Admin and try to check for mail again, all new messages are retrieved but not saved to the hard drive. I get error messages such as message was unable to be saved as foo.tmp in directory so-and-so. 3. If I check my email as User, Messages appear to get retrieved, but fail to show up in my mailboxes. End result? I can rarely manage to read a single email as either Admin or User, and I have to either fiddle around with reorganizing the mailboxes or reinstall The Bat. Has anyone else faced this problem? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Relaying denied?
When I try to send emails, I sometimes get an error message saying - Server reply: relaying denied? This seems to be happening only recently since I got my broadband connection (Ethernet connection via T1/ATM to campus network). Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail disappears when switching from Administrator to User onWin2K
Friday, October 18, 2002, 5:41:02 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Vishal, RO On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:28:39 -0700GMT (18-10-02, 20:28 +0200GMT, where RO I live), you wrote: VN I have a problem when switching from Administrator and User logins on VN my Win2K machine. I frequently switch between the two, and use The Bat VN to check my email from both. However, if I check my email when logged RO Do both admin and user have full access rights to the directories where TB RO stores it's message base? RO Does TB point to the same directories for both admin and user? Yes, both admin and user have full access rights to the directories. I believe they also point to the same directories, since I haven't changed any directories and still use the default structure which has all the mail for different accounts in their respective folders under the MAIL folder. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Relaying denied?
Friday, October 18, 2002, 5:37:52 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Vishal, TF On Fri, 18 Oct 2002 17:00:33 -0700 GMT (19/10/02, 07:00 +0700 GMT), TF Vishal Nakra wrote: Thanks! I tried that..let's hope it works. This doesn't happen all the time, btw, which is what I found weird. I was using 'same settings as POP' instead of 'use specific'. Any idea why my option wouldn't work? TF If you are talking about the Myreal account, then the details TF should be the same anyway. That's what I figured. I was already using my POP settings for SMTP authentication, so using the specific setting shouldn't have made a difference, since it was the same username/pass I was using. I was also having this problem with my university email account. I'll try using specific settings there too and see if it does anything. TF If you are using your university email account but want to use TF myreal's SMTP server, you *have to* use 'specific settings' and insert TF your myreal details. Otherwise myreal will refuse to accept your mail TF for sending. No, I was using separate SMTP servers for both accounts. My university provides its own SMTP server which I used only for that account. And i used myrealbox's server for only myrealbox's account. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?
How can I do this? The volume of email makes me feel that this is necessary, since there is no daily digest mode(is there one?), nor is there a central bulletin board where I could read the messages at my convenience. If anyone has found a way of dealing with this list without having to unsubscribe and then subscribing whenever they have a problem, I'd like to hear about it. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: unsubscribing from this list? alternatives?
Monday, October 21, 2002, 3:40:17 PM, you wrote: CS -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- CS Hash: SHA1 CS On Tuesday, 22 October 2002 at 11:07 a.m. Peter wrote: PNS Rico, PNS Yeah, I have the same mini-gripe. But I usually run TB minimized PNS and try to ignore the flying beastie. I've been experimenting PNS with a small POP-account monitor in my task bar to let me know I PNS have mail (it just changes color; it doesn't flash much). CS Just a thought for you guys who don't like the flying beastie! CS Why don't you just set a sound alert for your different mail accounts? CS I never use the mail ticker because it annoys me, but I have a CS different sound set for each account (and for some individual CS folders). That way I know instantly when I have mail and who it is CS from. I guess if you get lots of mail it might be annoying - but it CS works fine for me. Yes, that's what I ended up doing too. Now I can tell which emails I should look at as soon as I can, and which ones(like mailing lists) I can ignore for a bit. The mail ticker is something I haven't been able to see any use for either. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Advice on configuring with Win2K? unable to save .tmp files - HELP!
Hi, I posted this question a few days ago, but no one was able to help. I'm repeating it in the hope that someone might be able to give it a shot this time around, since I am really tired of this. If someone could tell me how they have TB configured on Win2K, that would be a big help too. I use Windows 2000 Professional, SP3. The sequence of actions is this. I always use TB when logged on to Windows as a normal Power User. If I subsequently happen to check my mail when logged on as Administrator, and then try to check the mail at some future time when logged back on as a Power User(my normal mode of usage), I have problems. Sometimes, TB shows all my mailboxes as empty. Sometimes only some of them. One symptom I always experience, however, is that when I check my mail, the connection center shows that TB is trying to 'import' messages. It usually fails in this with the error message: FETCH - could not store message (file name c:\documents and..\my_power_user\LOCAL SETTING\Temp\some_file.tmp) where some_file is of the form bat123.tmp. All this time, the connection center shows importing messages. End result is that TB retrieves my mail from the POP server but fails to save it to my hard disk. I presume it uses my User's temp directory for some kind of preliminary processing before finally storing the mail permanently in my Program Files folder, which is what I have set to be the location of storage. TB appears to fail at this preliminary step. Subsequently, when I log as Admin and open up TB in hopes of fixing the problem, I get similar messages. These symptoms always show up the first time after installation that I try to check my mail as Admin after having used it as a normal User for a while. Solutions I have tried (none worked): -Reinstalling TB as Admin and Power User. -Changing the mail folders for all my accounts (in Account\properties\files and directories) to the exact folders where they are stored (i.e the folder with the name of my Account), rather than the default that TB shows them to be stored in. The default usually points to the correct folder, however, so this was a pretty unnecessary step. -Making backup copies of the mail folder for each of the accounts and then trying to make TB use those when things get screwed up. Makes no difference - the (sometimes) empty mailboxes and unable to save.. messages continue. - Allowing my Power User account full access to TB's program directory and all subdirectories. I really need someone to tell me how they have their own things set up. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple Bat users on one PC?
Friday, October 25, 2002, 1:50:55 PM, you wrote: DG Friday, October 25, 2002, 3:13:31 PM, Paul wrote: I just ran into another issue about the users, etc. I created a GROUP ( networking-groups. set a password, restarted TB and logged into that group. my addressbook was no more. empty. Of course I had a backup, and it was probably still there under the admin login, but this sure seems like an awful lot of trouble and problems to make 2 users happy. so how do you have TB setup for 2 users on XP??? DG I actually haven't done any TB setup for the 2 users. I have 3 DG user accounts on XP: Administrator (default administrator acct), DG d (myself), and k (my SO). All three users have administrative DG privileges in Windows. I installed TB as Administrator in order DG that TB would appear in the Start Menu for All Users. When XP is DG logged in as d or as k, each XP user has their own individual TB DG mail store, accounts, address book. As TB stores that info in DG HKEY_CURRENT_USER, no other user setup was necessary in TB, DG it's merely using the separate Windows users accounts for DG separate TB user accounts. I think this throws some light on the problem I posted to the group a few days ago, in which all my mail seemingly disappeared once I happened to check my mail while logged in as a Windows admin, and then tried to look at the mail when logged in later as a Power User. The fact that separate Windows logins, as you have, causes TB to act like separate users, is probably why my PU couldn't read the mail which had been downloaded as Admin. Once I check my mail as Admin, it seems like TB considers the mail folders to be 'owned', as it were, by the Admin. No other user can work with them properly any more.(You'll recall that I was using the same mail store folder here, because I'm the only one using my computer; not separate mail folders like you and your wife have.) DG I think most of the discussion in this thread has been about DG having multiple TB users all using the same Windows user. I know DG nothing about setting that up as my SO I have always used DG separate Windows logins. When Hans talked about permissions DG errors for separate TB users operating under separate Windows DG logins, I assume the problem is because the non-administrative DG Windows logins do not have sufficient permissions to write to the DG mail store. That is why I suggested granting those non-admin DG Windows users full control permission for the mail store DG folder. That way the users could continue to have limited rights, DG but have sufficient permissions on the mail store folder to write DG to it. This suggestion actually does not work. I did try giving both my Admin and PU Windows accounts full control over the MAIL folder. It doesn't solve anything, and once I check my mail as Admin everything is screwed up. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
digest mode problems
Hi, When I subscribe to TBUDL using the digest mode, the message shows up in the preview pane as a group of single messages, not as one combined message like digests usually do. To view the messages I had to click on one of them, which opened up a separate window showing the individual messages (like a normal folder). I have to switch between individual messages manually then, which is an inconvenience I could do without. Could someone tell me if there is a better way to read a digest as ONE message? I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
Thanks, that does sound like what the problem is. I'll try out the suggestion about viewing the source that Elaine mentioned (thanks Elaine!) and see if that works better. -Vishal Friday, October 25, 2002, 8:35:05 PM, you wrote: JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- JA Hash: SHA1 JA On Saturday, October 26, 2002, Vishal Nakra wrote... When I subscribe to TBUDL using the digest mode, the message shows up in the preview pane as a group of single messages, not as one combined message like digests usually do. To view the messages I had to click on one of them, which opened up a separate window showing the individual messages (like a normal folder). I have to switch between individual messages manually then, which is an inconvenience I could do without. Could someone tell me if there is a better way to read a digest as ONE message? I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. JA Actually this isn't TBs problem at all, and is in fact not a problem JA with the list either. It is just the method the list server uses to JA send out the digest. It uses what is known as a MIME digest in which JA each email is attached to a single email and mailed out. This means JA that you get one email with attachments. I am not sure, you might need JA to go to the list user page (see list footer right at the bottom of JA this email for details) you may be able to turn MIME digest off, but JA not entirely sure. JA - -- JA Jonathan Angliss JA ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) JA -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- JA Comment: Fingerprint: 676A 1701 665B E343 E393 B8D2 2B83 E814 F8FD 1F73 JA iQA/AwUBPboNbyuD6BT4/R9zEQJviACfSCNMs26V/Oqi0BV/cQ2YUPslZ5sAn0zv JA D19GGPV2nSC3LuATTqLrNJSw JA =pByg JA -END PGP SIGNATURE- JA JA Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: JA http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
Thanks! that should fix it. However, I feel that if you really want the convenience of replying to individual emails, why subscribe to the digest at all? Viewing it this way just makes you click a few more times and presents the same effect as not subscribing to the digest at all. -Vishal Friday, October 25, 2002, 8:42:19 PM, you wrote: E Hello Vishal E On Saturday, October 26, 2002, you wrote Hi, I appreciate TB's power, but having to do special workarounds for *every* little thing, such as reading a digest message properly, is getting on my nerves. E Actually, I like the digest when presented the way mentioned, it E permits an individual post being copied out to the folder and the E digest trashed. E However, if you want to read the digest as a continuous E document, simply use Specials/View Source. If you want to keep E a post or portions of a post, you would have to copy and paste to E another document. E Elaine E E Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: E http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
Saturday, October 26, 2002, 5:52:15 AM, you wrote: ACM Well, instead of receiving 100 tbudl messages for the day, you just ACM receive one. It therefore cuts down on your traffic and makes it ACM easier for you to review messages on a perday basis Yes, the traffic reduction is a useful thing. The rest of the points you mentioned, however, seem to be equally applicable to individual messages without going the direct route at all. However, I find that clicking on any message to open up the folder and then manually rearranging the messages is a bit more bother than it should be, because I have no idea what position amongst all the messages the particular one that I clicked on is in. It could be somewhere in the middle of a conversation..or anywhere. Is there a way that I can open up the digest with the oldest message automatically displayed? Or a particular message I should click on to do this? At the moment, all the messages look alike when viewed as attachments, so the method I follow is just random opening and then re-arranging. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: digest mode problems
Saturday, October 26, 2002, 6:51:29 AM, you wrote: MB Hi Marck and Vishal, MB Marck wrote to Vishal: MDP moderator MDP Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not MDP just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have MDP instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Vishal MB Vishal, I have been in your shoes. I know that Marck understands and MB is trying to help us all keep our conversations on this List readable MB and enjoyable. No problem :) That was the most polite ticking-off I've ever had in my life..hehe. -vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
PC when I click on a message in the mail ticker, to view all the new PC messages, they are nicely split up by account, folder, groups, and PC threads. PC If you don't do that yet, try this: PC double-click the mail ticker to bring up the Browse messages window. PC click the VIEW menu, select view-threads-by and click REFERENCE. PC select the VIEW menu again, select COLUMNS and add FOLDERS ( I forget PC what the default fields are, but I also like Received date and Created PC Date). Then you can look at all the messages in this list ( or any list) PC by thread, and they are all nicely grouped together! Hmm..I usually do view messages by reference or subject line. I didn't understand what advantage adding a column for folders would provide, however, because at any point of time I'm only looking at the contents of a particular folder. Since all the messages displayed would show the same entry in the Folders column, why add the Folders column at all? Or perhaps I'm not getting you... -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re: digest mode problems
Not that I can see since the only way to open the digest is to double click on one of the messages and they aren't necessarily listed in the attachment pane in order by age. You can however, set up the digest view folder window to arrange the messages as you want. When you open the digest folder, all you need to do is hit Home to get to the top of the list and start from the oldest downwards. That's another thing I wanted to ask about. Is there any way to make the view for the digest folder permanent? Opening up any of the messages seems to open all the messages in a new folder whose view does not correspond to any of my other folders. Where do I 'find' this folder to customize it? -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re: digest mode problems
This is what I've found. This may be confusing and certainly applies to using the message list views in general. For each folder, there are separate configurable list views for no threading, and all threading modes. Additionally, each folder's View Folder window, which is opened by double clicking on any message within a folder, has it's own set of views as well, which may be configured separately from the main window list views. There's is yet another configurable view for looking at MIME digests. This is also set on a per folder basis. Finally there are the Browse Ticker and search lists which again have their own own settings for each threading view. I find this incredibly useful and addictive. It may be confusing if you don't realize this. Incredible. Just when I think I've got the hang of TB, it goes and throws another dozen configuration options at me. I usually like this, and I constantly fiddle with the settings on my OS's, tools and everything else so that I can find the best fit. I do a quite a bit of sysadmin work in my spare time. This, however, seems like overkill. To completely disagree with you, I find this overly complex and incredibly irritating :) I'd really like to just get down to using my email client in peace without having to stay on this learning curve. Another vital thing to know about, is an option that's available for all folders, i.e., 'Use account default column settings'. Yes, I use this all the time. So, to answer your question, you can setup the MIME digest list view to be consistent, but you can only do so if the MIME digests are within the same folder or if they are within folders, all of which share the same default column views. Thanks a lot! I really appreciate the time you took to do this - I would have had to do it myself otherwise. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re: digest mode problems
-Original Message- From: Paul Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] when you filter lists into folders, the folder name will show up, so you know all the messages in that folder are from the same email list. I have folders for TBUDL, TBTECH, TBOT... and other lists I'm on. That's what I mean. I filter all mailing lists into their separate folders anyway, so the folder column isn't really useful in my case. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: digest mode problems
Saturday, October 26, 2002, 3:57:02 PM, you wrote: PC well, yes it is. IF YOU USE THE MAIL TICKER, by double-clicking a new PC message. You will see ALL of your new messages, GROUPED by the folders PC they are in. Meaning each mail list will be grouped together. that way PC you can read all the messages from each list, one list at a time. I think I see what you're saying. I'll have to try this out. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
does NAV work with TB?
Does anyone know if Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition can scan mail received through TB? Also, is there any need for a separate NAV plugin DLL like Kaspersky's plugin which is installed along with Kaspersky? -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: does NAV work with TB?
Hi Sudip, Saturday, October 26, 2002, 9:11:00 PM, you wrote: SP NAV doesn't have plug-in for TB! But, it can be set up to scan SP incoming/outgoing mails depending upon the version you are using (I'm SP not familiar with corporate edition). Well it is set to do so. I'm not sure if it actually does though :) I guess it's time to hunt through the logs. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: does NAV work with TB?
Saturday, October 26, 2002, 8:17:25 PM, you wrote: VN Does anyone know if Norton Antivirus Corporate Edition can scan VN mail received through TB? SP NAV doesn't have plug-in for TB! But, it can be set up to scan SP incoming/outgoing mails depending upon the version you are using (I'm SP not familiar with corporate edition). SM That's a yes for the corporate version. Thanks Scott. Are you sure about this though? And if it does, that that mean that I don't need a corresponding dll to force TB to check email from its end? I know NAV scans eudora and outlook/OE, but TB I don't know about. This brings up a question though. If Kaspersky can scan email for other email clients besides TB(which I presume it does), then how come it needs this special plugin for TB and not for others? Or is this just an additional measure that makes sure that Kaspersky scans email on its own, as well as when invoked directly by TB itself? -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: does NAV work with TB?
Sunday, October 27, 2002, 4:04:55 PM, you wrote: SM Norton, et. al., scan email by intercepting the ports used for SM transferring email. The plugins are modules directly called by the SM email program,, thus don't incur the extra overhead of intercepting SM and parsing the POP3/SMTP data stream. Makes sense. That's what I thought too. Thanks. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: RTF
Monday, October 28, 2002, 12:55:14 PM, you wrote: JN There might be some decisions that need to be made, but that doesn't JN turn it into a slipper slope, nor does it have anything to do with JN HTML. Appearance is not the biggest problem with HTML, and I agree JN that HTML is not the way to go. As for the decisions on how much JN enrichment to provide, I guess it's a functionality analysis, how much JN would be beneficial for the users and the product. I think that JN tables, bold, underlining and italics would be a sensible package, in JN that it would not only be very functional but also be set of JN attributes that generally go together (except for tables). I think JN color and size variations, and other fancy fonts, are all things that JN could be reserved for attachments if necessary; but others might have JN their own views. The fact that a decision or cutoff would be JN necessary, though, seems like a poor reason not to undertake the JN effort. Just in so that TB developers realize more people want this, I happen to think the suggestion of limited support for text enhancements is a good one, provided it is done in a way that allows it to show up alike universally. Enriched text of the *bold* kind goes a long way towards easing comprehension. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Hi, I frequently get emails from a certain person that I am not interested in, unless the subject line is blank. How do I filter out all the messages from this person with a blank subject line into one folder, and those with any kind of text in the subject line into another? In Eudora I could use the 'exists' option to do this. Thanks, -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 8:32:08 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Vishal, TF On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:54:27 -0800 GMT (01/11/02, 01:54 +0700 GMT), TF Vishal Nakra wrote: In Eudora I could use the 'exists' option to do this. TF In the TB filters, wouldn't do Presence in subject the trick? I am TF sure there is a regex that looks for no character at all. Or any TF character and you set Presence to No. I'm not sure that it will. I'll try it though and see what happens. Where can I get a reference for regex's that I can use in TB? I've never used them in an email client before, and very little otherwise too, though I'm a CS graduate student :) TF As a workaround (if you are regex-illeterate, like me), I would TF suggest to check for the presence of the letter e. It is the most TF common letter in the EnglishTF . Good idea. I still have trouble figuring out what the 'Alternatives' means in the sorting office. Could you help me out with that? -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thanks..sounds good. What does the period before the * mean, btw, in the other solution you gave. -Vishal Thursday, October 31, 2002, 2:42:58 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Vishal, RO On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 10:54:27 -0800GMT (31-10-02, 19:54 +0100GMT, where RO I live), you wrote: VN How do I filter out all the messages from this person with a blank VN subject line into one folder, and those with any kind of text in VN the subject line into another? RO Try filtering for a|b|c|d|e|f|g|h|i|j|k|l|m|n|o|p|q|r|s|t|u|v|w|x|y|z RO in the subject. (Don't know whether you've got to enable regexp for RO this) RO Or enable regexp and check for .* in the subject. (I guess that RO this will also catch multiple space as a non-empty subject.) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
sorry about the top-post
I mistakenly top-posted while replying to someone today. Sorry moderators! -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: sorry about the top-post
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 3:37:05 PM, you wrote: MAU Hello Vishal, I mistakenly top-posted while replying to someone today. MAU Oh my goodness! How could you do something like that! Aren't you MAU ashamed of yourself? MAU No dessert for you tonight! ;-) I know. I'm badd :) find me a hole so i can lie down and die in it. -vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 3:19:50 PM, you wrote: G Hi Vishal, G On Thursday, October 31, 2002, 8:11 PM, you mentioned about tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?: V I'm not sure that it will. I'll try it though and see what happens. V Where can I get a reference for regex's that I can use in TB? I've V never used them in an email client before, and very little otherwise V too, though I'm a CS graduate student :) G Very basic tenets are in the help files under regular expressions. G otherwise, google is your friend. There is some excellent material G available on line. I saw the help file, but as with most things TB usually ends up doing more than it first appears capable of. I wasn't aware TB supported the full range of regular expressions, so I didn't bother looking online earlier. Thanks, -vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 3:32:48 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Vishal, RO On Thu, 31 Oct 2002 18:07:42 -0800GMT (1-11-02, 3:07 +0100GMT, where I RO live), you wrote: RO RO Or enable regexp and check for .* in the subject. VN What does the period before the * mean, RO The period stands for any character, the astix stands for one or RO multiple times. (Unless I'm messing up again, regexp isn't my RO strongest) I see. Anyone feel the need to correct Roelof before I end up deleting all mails from everyone I know? :) Though it does seem you're right. Speaking as another regexp non-expert.. -vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 5:51:31 PM, you wrote: TF The filter conditions you key in there are connected to the TF condition(s) on the Rule tab by a logical OR. ah..finally makes sense. and the ones on the Rule tab are connected to each other by an AND? -vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 5:17:07 PM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi Vishal, MDP 31-Oct-2002, 18:11 -0800 (02:11 UK time) Vishal Nakra [VN] in MDP mid:429607615.20021031181140;myrealbox.com said: TF In the TB filters, wouldn't do Presence in subject the trick? TF I am sure there is a regex that looks for no character at TF all. Or any character and you set Presence to No. VN I'm not sure that it will. MDP It will: look for '[a-z0-9]', presence 'No', Regex enabled. Now that looks perfect. It's also shorter than some of the solutions other people helped me out with. Thanks everyone! -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 5:17:07 PM, you wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MDP Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi Vishal, MDP 31-Oct-2002, 18:11 -0800 (02:11 UK time) Vishal Nakra [VN] in MDP mid:429607615.20021031181140;myrealbox.com said: TF In the TB filters, wouldn't do Presence in subject the trick? TF I am sure there is a regex that looks for no character at TF all. Or any character and you set Presence to No. VN I'm not sure that it will. MDP It will: look for '[a-z0-9]', presence 'No', Regex enabled. Now that looks perfect :) It's also shorter than some of the other solutions people helped me out with. Thanks everyone! -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?
Thursday, October 31, 2002, 4:11:49 PM, you wrote: G Hi Vishal, G On Thursday, October 31, 2002, 8:48 PM, you mentioned about tricky one - filtering out messages with NO subject?: V I saw the help file, but as with most things TB usually ends up doing V more than it first appears capable of. I wasn't aware TB supported the V full range of regular expressions, so I didn't bother looking online V earlier. G As you know, there are several sets of reg ex.. TB! follows the Perl G compatable (PCRE), and is generally pretty compatible. A good PCRE search G for tutorial should do the trick. There are a few differences, and these G are listed in the help file Regular Expressions Syntax (Advanced) then G Differences From Perl G http://www.perl.org is a good site. I always think about learning perl but never get round to it. Maybe one of these years... :) Thanks for your help. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: sorry about the top-post
TM The one you want to watch out for is the 'Cut' mark. I think that is TM part of the list rules... :-] TM ,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a Cut Mark] TM | This is a special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of TM | two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line. TM | TM | NewLinedashdashspaceNewLine TM | TM | This cut mark is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a TM | cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of TM | your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is TM | removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that TM | includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark TM | from the text you quote. TM `- [see FAQ www.silverstones.com/thebat/samples.html#newmess] TM Reply to my message and notice everything below this sentence is gone TM in your reply... Thanks. I didn't know about this, but it's useful to know even though I don't have a signature. -Vishal Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Broken lines when using the answer button.
Hi Robin Wednesday, December 10, 2003, 7:37:59 AM, you wrote: RA Could others confirm this? Definitely. Happens all the time. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
%ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi, I've been having problems trying to get this macro to work in my signatures. My quick template storing the signature is called sig. I've tried the following variations so far with no luck: %ISSIGNATUREsig %ISSIGNATURE sig %ISSIGNATURE=sig %ISSIGNATURE = sig %ISSIGNATURE = sig %ISSIGNATURE=sig %ISSIGNATURE(sig) Can anyone help me out here? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi Marek Sunday, December 14, 2003, 9:00:11 PM, you wrote: MM use %ISSIGNATURE only in your Quick template, this is only parameter, MM which tells TB to not insert it to the message, but rewrite text in MM message after signature delimiter. When You insert QT with this macro MM to message, text in message after signature delimiter will be MM rewritten by QT. Thanks! I already decided to use %Qinclude as a workaround but without the ISSIGNATURE parameter. Didn't know it was one. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: %ISSIGNATURE - how to use it?
Hi Marck Sunday, December 14, 2003, 8:58:37 PM, you wrote: MDP %QINCLUDE(sig) Yep, I decided to use %Qinclude as a workaround (at least I thought it was a 'workaround'). MDP Meanwhile, somewhere in 'sig', the macro %ISSIGNATURE appears. Ah, now that I didn't know. The documentation is obscure on this. MDP Using the %ISSIGNATURE macro in a signature QT allows you to change MDP signatures on-the-fly from anywhere in the message body. Type the MDP sig QT's handle and ctrl-space and the current signature of the MDP message is replaced without moving the cursor. Neat trick! Definitely is. Thanks! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi, I'm considering upgrading to the xmas edition, but remember many posts recently on how all the folder columns were messed up until you figured out how to use views. Are people upgrading despite that? Put another way, are there any compelling reasons to upgrade? Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Monday, December 29, 2003, 11:06:13 AM, you wrote: WB The best reason from now until January 10th is the price. WB Thanks Wayne. I have to agree there. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi Allie Monday, December 29, 2003, 10:39:23 AM, you wrote: AM I'm unable to help you since I don't really know what options/features AM mean a lot to you. The best thing to do would be to look at what's AM new here: AM http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=389 I did look at that but was wondering if there were any major bugs with those features. The folder views thing is the only real problem I've heard about (maybe one or two more). Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Have most people upgraded to the Christmas edition?
Hi Marck Tuesday, December 30, 2003, 5:44:14 AM, you wrote: MDP ... although that's hit smooth running now and is an absolute gem of MDP a new feature. The current beta (25) is running pretty stable. sounds good! Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: not receiving attachments
Hi ken Sunday, January 4, 2004, 4:14:00 PM, you wrote: kg I received a message from an associate via a hotmail address. The kg message was sent to me and my business partner - both of us on the same kg domain using the same mail server. He received the attachment, I did kg not. He is using MS Outlook, I'm using the The Bat. We do have different kg ISPs. Yep, I can confirm this behavior. The thing to notice though is that, like you, I only experience this problem when retrieving webmail through an HTTP proxy like hotmail popper. I use web2pop, but the story is the same - no problems on normal POP accounts, just on yahoo or hotmail. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Version 2.02.3 (CE) using up system resources?
Hi Susanne Saturday, January 3, 2004, 10:51:54 PM, you wrote: S I recently upgraded to the CE, and now find myself constantly S restarting the computer, because I'm running out of S resources. Have you started running some other programs alongside TB? Doing so may cause your resources to drop to a very low level, such as when the percentage of resources free hits the single digits. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TheBat or Pocomail
Hi S Friday, January 2, 2004, 5:24:28 PM, you wrote: SJL This may not be an appropriate question to ask on this list - and one SJL impossible to answer anyway - but I will ask anyway... SJL What is 'better': The Bat! or Pocomail? There was another thread on this some time ago that you might want to check out. Poco's interface is beautiful. Outright winner in the usability shootouts in my opinion. Its more powerful features are often a match for TB's, and are more easily used. The HTML sanitizing features are another part that is impressive from a security standpoint. TB's HTML capability is better left unspoken about, since the many threads on this list will have shown you how far it has to go yet. Poco's is polished, though I didn't use it much either. I played with Poco a few months ago, but resisted changing because I hadn't fully experimented with TB's very powerful macros and templates. I didn't want to give up on TB without doing that. TB's templates are better, but then Poco has its own scripting language that could do wonders for you if you know how to use it well. TB has other advantages. Speed, for one. You'll quickly notice that Poco is pretty slow at downloading lots of mail. This won't be a problem if you don't receive a lot, but if you plan on subscribing to heavy-traffic mailing lists, be prepared to wait a lot. I used version 3, though, and the mailing lists had posts after that on how the speed was improved significantly in the later betas. My speed comment may be out of date now. Poco also tended to crash somewhat more than TB, and the user forums reveal other bugs that people weren't happy about. Since there's only one developer for Poco, that's understandable. (Hats off to the guy for the singlehanded effort he's pulled off). I don't like several things about TB - the HTML rendering, attachment handing and user interface primarily. But ultimately, I stuck with it because it was just plain too much bother to switch, with all the address book and other incompatibilities. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: TheBat or Pocomail
Hi ken Just wanted to drop a note to say I agree with the points you've made too. Inline comments would have been ridiculous..with my saying yep! after every other sentence :) Cheers, -Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Version 2.02.3 (CE) using up system resources?
Hi Susanne Monday, January 5, 2004, 9:57:04 PM, you wrote: Have you started running some other programs alongside TB? S Not anything new, that I haven't been running with the old S version, before... Oh well..looks like TB might be misbehaving then. I haven't kept up with the thread, so perhaps someone came up with an alternative explanation. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Using Linux
Hi Granville Sunday, January 11, 2004, 9:50:31 PM, you wrote: GC Will The Bat! run with these programmes. Not directly, but maybe under Wine. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 10:40:31 PM, you wrote: RK I have two address book entries for the same person in my address book, so RK I can choose from them via Ctrl-+ when entering the name in the address RK field of a new mail. Interesting tip you let loose there..the Ctrl-+. I tried it and it doesn't work on my machine. Could you explain how you use this? To answer your posted question, you shouldn't need multiple address book entries. If the email addresses are on separate lines, the first one is chosen as the default. You can put the one you like first and it should always be the one chosen by TB by default. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Thursday, January 15, 2004, 9:12:41 PM, you wrote: Oh, how then would TB know which address you mean to be the default? RK That's what I'm asking. Well have you tried reordering the various address book entries? Perhaps TB picks up the first one there too. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Thursday, January 15, 2004, 9:20:45 PM, you wrote: RK Let's say you've got 15 people named Joe in your address book, all entered RK with their first and last names. Type in Joe in your address book field RK and TB will auto-complete it to match the first Joe in your AB. If you RK want a different Joe but don't feel like typing in his last name, use RK Ctrl-+ to cycle through all entries starting with Joe. Ah, I see what you mean. I thought you meant you could cycle among different email addresses within a particular address book entry by doing that. Which would be an excellent feature to add in a future version, don't you think? RK Yup, but it doesn't work as convenient as with Ctrl-+ that way if you do RK want to use a different address. Sure doesn't :) RK I mail my sister either at work or at home, depending on where she is, so RK I need to switch back and forth quite often. I have the same situation and would love to see how you get around this. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: The Bat! versus others
Hi Allie Saturday, January 17, 2004, 7:58:32 PM, you wrote: AM I do have the view that those who wish for TB!'s interface to be spiffed AM up, will have an appreciation for a generally spiffed up Windows AM appearance with TB! being part of the general change. Maybe for some. Lots of disadvantages, though. - I don't want my other apps to change their look, too. TB is one of the few I don't like. I like Win2K's clean look as well as that of most other software I use. - I'd rather not waste more disk space and RAM on running Windowblinds. Both are precious on my system to begin with. - It's shareware. Which means shelling out more money for essentially one program. AM So I think with the ability to change the glyphs, there's no need to ask AM Ritlabs to make things spiffy. Just use something like WindowBlinds. I'd have to disagree with that. Relying on complaints being addressed by a third party is not the way to go. Especially if it means the customer will have to pay more money and change the look of their *whole* system, when it is only your app that is problematic. When asking new users to try TB, you'll have to go with the Oh, you have to buy Windowblinds as well to make it look decent. Which may cause problems with other parts of your system. Another $20 please. argument. I don't think that would go down very well :) AM TB!'s interface strength is with it's layout. It's very nice and usable. Ok, here I have to disagree STRONGLY :) The last thing it is, is usable. The second last is nice. To each their own though. And once you get used to it, it does become easier to use. I wish they collaborated with Slaven (pocomail's author) on UI design though. The combination would be fantastic. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: auto-complete from address book - wrong address
Hi Roman Friday, January 16, 2004, 11:23:15 PM, you wrote: RK As I said, create multiple AB entries for the same person. If you give RK them different nick names (handles) you can even select them directly. Good idea. Thanks very much. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: not seeing attachments again
Wednesday, January 21, 2004, 11:42:35 AM, you wrote: I had problems with The Bat not displaying Word attachments when there TF I can't confirm. I receive MS Office and PDF files as attachments all TF the time, through all TB versions, and have never experienced a TF missing attachment. RO Me neither. I have, unfortunately. Intermittently. But often. Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: not seeing attachments again
Hi ken Friday, January 23, 2004, 1:31:51 AM, you wrote: kg But at least it's evidence that I'm not insane (and I need evidence kg sometimes... ;) lol Cheers, -- Vishal Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
