date:20200505

Mat, with all due respect, you don't seem to have read my comments well.

I did NOT state the backlinks work, I stated the opposite many times ! Neither 
did I state backlinks did not work in a popup. 

What I said about that code is that when it is applied as is, i.e. with just 
text in the place of YYY of Tiddler 1, then Tiddler 2 does not show the 
backlink to Tiddler 1 anymore.

Note 1: on his transclusion page David states: YYY with the text to be 
displayed (called the 'alias').

So, even though the code is there to generate Tid 2's text transcluded in a 
popup window in Tid 1, just text in place of YYY stops Tid 1's reference being 
shown in Tid 2.

Note 2: TiddlyBlink shows a references/backlinks section at the bottom of each 
tid.

However, . and that's where Birthe's suggestion showed me the light 
([[Tiddler 2]]<$transclude 
tiddler="Tiddler 2" mode="block"/>), instead of just putting text 
in position YYY, it is possible to put link syntax in position YYY so that Tid 
1's reference to Tid 2 does show up as a backlink in Tid 2, AND Tid 2's 
transcluded text shows up in a popup window in Tid 1.

The tids that I put up on Tiddlyspot did not have the popup window effect 
included because I did not have an issue with it. And I stated that 
unequivocally to both Birthe and yourself, a number of times.

Now, maybe David Gifford's intention with the popup window was never to 
preserve backlinks too, but, when, as a TiddlyBlink user, I implemented it, I 
noticed the effect on the backlinks. That is when I asked if there was a way 
around it. Birthe understood because she came up with the solution.

I don't know how I could have stated more clearly that my issue with David's 
code was the backlinks and NOT the popup.

5 May 2020, 18:48 by matiasg...@gmail.com:

> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 5:22:59 PM UTC+2, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> I do get the point. I put those tiddlers there to explain my point, and my 
>> point was the backlinks, NOT the popups. I don't know how to make that 
>> clearer: I stated it in those words a number of times.
>>
>
> The thing, as far as I understand it, is: You say that you > do > get 
> backlinks to work. But you don't get them to work>  in popups> . Otherwise 
> why do you > at all>  include the popups in your question? Why do you keep 
> referring to this code which IS the popup?
>
> YYY<$> transclude tiddler="ZZZ" 
> mode="block"/>
>
> <:-)
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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

2020-05-05 Thread Mohammad

Hi Tony,

On Wednesday, May 6, 2020 at 6:53:02 AM UTC+4:30, TonyM wrote:
>
> Further notes;
>
>
>- For some reason TiddlyDesktop takes twice the time to load the first 
>page on WIndows 10 - Its OK but a fact for me
>
> I have the same issue! 

>
>- But seems to run faster when open (anecdotal only)
>- I tried to Create a new folder wiki, and pointed to a new empty 
>folder. It opens with a page missing CSS
>
> Confirmed! Also if you create a wikifolder using node.js which have 
favicon tiddler ($:/favicon.ico) the opening it in TiddlywikiDesktop
shows an empty window
 

>
>- AM I supposed to do more to create such a Wiki?
>- I opened an existing folder based bob wiki, Is this unsafe?, there 
>is not bob plugin visible!
>
> Thanks
> Tony
>
> On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:38:13 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> I agree too, but there are a few paths that need to be at the top, and In 
>> some ways they should be limited with links to additional options
>>
>> Here is an incomplete list that attempts to guide people, but I think we 
>> should have an even simpler *TiddlyWiki Recommends eg; Timimi, 
>> TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyServer Bobexe*
>>
>> *Personal use*
>>
>>- *Default save* via download
>>   - Additional save in browser options to automate this are available
>>- *Timimi *- Chrome FireFox Plugin and small local application 
>>running on multiple 64bit  Operating systems
>>   - Allows opening single file wikis in a browser from any location 
>>   and saving them automatically
>>- *TiddlyDesktop* - an application you install on windows/MAC/Linux 
>>to view, create and edit your tiddlywikis, optionally share them on the 
>>local network
>>   - Allows opening single file wikis and Folder based wikis from a 
>>   list of wikis stored anywhere and saving them automatically
>>   - Has own built in browser
>>- *BobExe* - Local server application providing Multi-wiki Multiuser 
>>Wikis, includes bob saver for accessing single file wikis at a local URL
>>
>> *Shared Use Plenty of additional options are available for Personal or 
>> Shared use as well*
>>
>>- *NODE.js* install of tiddlywiki to access at local host or on the 
>>LAN (Underlying tech of many tiddlywiki server solutions)
>>   - One user at a time without further management
>>- *TiddlyServer* Open and launch file and folder based wikis from any 
>>location and a browser based index of independant wikis.
>>   - One user at a time without further management
>>- *Bob and Bobexe* multi-access and multi-user access with a tiddler 
>>level lock on content
>>
>> Multi-device usage
>>
>> ...
>>
>> *Internet published*
>>
>>- tw-reciever on php
>>   - One user at a time without further management, overwrite 
>>   protection
>>- 
>>
>> ...
>> *Internet Collaboration*
>>
>> .
>>
>> Regards
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:12:29 UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>>
>>> I 100*0*% agree with you! Its the one stop shop for getting started, 
>>> automatic saving, etc. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:13:59 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:

 The create wiki button has already made this my go to for any situation 
 where I want a single file wiki (testing things, demos etc). 

 I think we need to heavily promote TiddlyDesktop as the way to get 
 started with TW for non techie people.

>>>

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[tw5] To tidlyWiki blog or not to blog



Folks,


Although it is a real challenge at the moment, I try and work through every 
post in the forum and keep track of tiddlywiki developments. I collect 
plugins, and methods and macros and methods and are always looking at 
tiddlywiki as a platform and building the resources for rapid software 
development. In some ways this is why you see me contributing to questions 
and problems by not independently publishing solutions, although I expect 
this to change. 


With this in mind and the rebirth of TiddlyWiki 
 
hangouts coming I thought perhaps this is the time to start a Blog, one 
that follows the activities in the forum and matters arising from the 
community, git hub and related projects.


I thought of a blog of my own based on tiddlywiki, which can also 
demonstrate the things we are talking about and share code and ideas. I am 
sure I could generate a lot of useful content but it could also eat my time 
up when in fact I should be seeking an income. 


*So I had this thought what about a blog with multiple contributors?*


There are three approaches that come to mind


   - I build a wordPress blog and invite authors who I give an account and 
   we post that way
  - Of course we would look at linking to tiddlywiki's and embedding 
  them if possible
   - I build a TiddlyWiki blog and accept content by email or forum post
   - I build a Tiddlywiki blog editor edition, people prepare posts on and 
   send me their completed tiddlers
  - I then import them to a public tiddlywiki blog, adding static pages 
  for seo.
   
*What are your thoughts?*


In the long run I have being keen to build a community site where we can 
collect and post on all aspects of tiddlywiki and my research suggests a 
sophisticated implementation of wordpress with knowledge of all aspects of 
tiddlywiki and with tiddlywiki integration, basicaly custom posts for 
macros, plugins, themes, libraries But I am reluctant to do this unless 
I build a team to do this.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

Riz,

My answer was an answer to Marks
>
> I wonder, is it possible to detect the OS during boot-up and set the 
> default buttons accordingly?

 

> You mean for OS? Is there any known and working savers for other OS? For 
> eg, have anyone tested tw5 in chrome OS or  Firefox OS?
>

The download button is the same for all downloads but the options for 
different savers can be presented according to the browser they are on eg 
timimi for Chrome and FF

Regards
Tony

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll: last call for experimenting

*Hi Saq*

*Thanks for the additional feedback*

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 9:09 AM Saq Imtiaz  wrote:

> Do you find the Tools tab in the sidebar to be something you use often? If
> not, suggest moving it under "More".
>

*While I personally have only used the tools tab rarely, I am loathe to
change more of the layout of TiddlyWiki just based on personal preferences.
No need to hide things needlessly for those that use them.*

>
> The "eye" tab could be under the gear/settings tab too. Depends on how
> important access to that is in your workflow.
>


*I envision the eye tab being used frequently by users. I know I use it
frequently. The items in the gear tab are advanced options I envision will
be used infrequently. They could almost go in the control panel in a tab.
But I think it is okay as is. *

>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:54:32 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Bump.
>>
>> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I just updated https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html,
>>> incorporating most of your changes.
>>>
>>> *List of changes:*
>>>
>>> List of changes accessible on the welcome page.
>>>
>>> *Problem:*
>>>
>>> I have Stroll set up to exclude system tiddlers from the list of
>>> references at the bottom of tiddlers (for example see the [!is[system]] in
>>> the list filter of
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html#%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2FViewTemplate%2Frefslinks).
>>>
>>>
>>> But when I create a link to a non-system tiddler within a system
>>> tiddler, the system tiddler shows up in the list of references at the
>>> bottom of the non-systerm tiddler. Could someone look at my code and help
>>> me spot why that is happening?
>>>
>>> *Recommendations I did not do for this revision*
>>>
>>>- Ilya - Make it a plugin (will get someone to help me with this
>>>after any more recommended changes are in place)
>>>- TonyM - option to disable it from going back to one story when
>>>only one tiddler is open (Saq may wish to consider this for his plugin.
>>>That is not something I can do)
>>>- TonyM - Explain saving options better (I think this needs to
>>>happen in tiddlywiki.com)
>>>- Edgaras - Back and forth arrows to navigate to previously visited
>>>tiddlers (Not sure how to do this, but also not keen on doing it for
>>>Stroll. There might be a plugin for it here that you could add to Stroll:
>>>https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=daq3QPYxpdVcebRQi2N6gc8A
>>>
>>>
>>> *Thank you*
>>>
>>> A HUGE thank you to everyone who made recommendations or spotted
>>> problems. I asked you to be merciless, and you guys came through.
>>>
>>> If you see anything else that needs fixing, please let me know. The
>>> revised version may now have quirks of its own.
>>>
>>> Blessings!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi everyone

 I finally got around to updating Stroll (replacement for my
 TiddlyBlink). I think it is just about ready. Here is the link:

 https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html

 Play with it until you find its flaws. Be merciless. Make it bleed.
 Then let me know what needs bandaging or amputating. You have one week.

 Thanks in advance!

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Re: [tw5] Re: Stroll: last call for experimenting

Hi TonyM

No, the 'saving issue' was the request for me to explain the various saving
options for TiddlyWiki in the tutorial. My response was that I don't know
enough about most of those saving options, and that there is talk of
cleaning that up on tiddlywiki.com anyway.

And, I may have confused you and Tony K on that detail.

Thanks for the offer of the conditional edit button. I will think about
that.

I am no longer concerned about the system tiddlers showing up in the
references section. I have no system tiddlers referencing anything in the
tutorial. And users are not likely to link to regular tids from system
tids. So it should not be an issue.

Blessings, Dave

On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 8:55 PM TonyM  wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Re the saving issue?
>
> Do you mean this;
>
>
> On Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:52:56 UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dave
>>
>>
>>> *I find it confusing that the same tiddler can be open twice. I see it
>>> as a bug, not a feature. If there would be a way to turn that off or make
>>> it an optional thing for advanced users, that would be preferable.*
>>>
>>
>> You can turn it off in the control panel under Appearance -> Toolbars ->
>> Edit Toolbar and just ship with
>> the 
>> $:/config/EditToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/_sq/Stories/divertTiddlerEditMacro
>> tiddler that will be created.
>>
>> Note that there are still multiple ways you can end up with the same
>> tiddler in both stories (click and shift-click a tiddler link from the
>> sidebar for example, or drag and drop on the Open sidebar). This is tricky
>> to work around both because the solution to prevent this would be
>> heavy-handed but also because it can be difficult to know what the correct
>> behavior should be (close the first one? don't open the second? etc). Once
>> there are people using this on a daily basisc, depending on any feedback
>> around this issue, we can consider changes.
>>
>>
> * Then I said this*
>
> When something is hard to fix make it into a feature. :) I am not kidding.
>> Perhaps a replacement edit Button could be created to respond like bob
>> tiddlers pending save to the server do, an edit button that turns to a lock
>> on currentTiddler when the draft of exists?
>
>
> *Since you asked*
>
>
>>- TonyM - Explain saving options better (I think this needs to happen
>>in tiddlywiki.com)
>>
>> *Here I will Explain,*
>
> I have already created what I call a *conditional edit button*, basically
> I hide the default edit button in the More Buttons (uncheck in Toolbar) ,
> then check my conditional edit button.
>
>
>- The conditional edit button for example can be displayed on regular
>tiddlers, but not system tiddlers, or dashboard tiddlers etc... this makes
>the interface simpler for users by not offering edit on tiddlers they
>should not edit.
>
> My Suggestion, *ask if you want it.*
>
>- I could take the same conditional edit and tell it not to display
>the edit button if the current tiddler exists as a draft.of or some other
>condition
>- Or rather than not display at all, display a lock icon
>
> *Would this help for stroll?*
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

Further notes;


   - For some reason TiddlyDesktop takes twice the time to load the first 
   page on WIndows 10 - Its OK but a fact for me
   - But seems to run faster when open (anecdotal only)
   - I tried to Create a new folder wiki, and pointed to a new empty 
   folder. It opens with a page missing CSS
  - AM I supposed to do more to create such a Wiki?
   - I opened an existing folder based bob wiki, Is this unsafe?, there is 
   not bob plugin visible!

Thanks
Tony

On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:38:13 UTC+10, TonyM wrote:
>
> I agree too, but there are a few paths that need to be at the top, and In 
> some ways they should be limited with links to additional options
>
> Here is an incomplete list that attempts to guide people, but I think we 
> should have an even simpler *TiddlyWiki Recommends eg; Timimi, 
> TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyServer Bobexe*
>
> *Personal use*
>
>- *Default save* via download
>   - Additional save in browser options to automate this are available
>- *Timimi *- Chrome FireFox Plugin and small local application running 
>on multiple 64bit  Operating systems
>   - Allows opening single file wikis in a browser from any location 
>   and saving them automatically
>- *TiddlyDesktop* - an application you install on windows/MAC/Linux to 
>view, create and edit your tiddlywikis, optionally share them on the local 
>network
>   - Allows opening single file wikis and Folder based wikis from a 
>   list of wikis stored anywhere and saving them automatically
>   - Has own built in browser
>- *BobExe* - Local server application providing Multi-wiki Multiuser 
>Wikis, includes bob saver for accessing single file wikis at a local URL
>
> *Shared Use Plenty of additional options are available for Personal or 
> Shared use as well*
>
>- *NODE.js* install of tiddlywiki to access at local host or on the 
>LAN (Underlying tech of many tiddlywiki server solutions)
>   - One user at a time without further management
>- *TiddlyServer* Open and launch file and folder based wikis from any 
>location and a browser based index of independant wikis.
>   - One user at a time without further management
>- *Bob and Bobexe* multi-access and multi-user access with a tiddler 
>level lock on content
>
> Multi-device usage
>
> ...
>
> *Internet published*
>
>- tw-reciever on php
>   - One user at a time without further management, overwrite 
>   protection
>- 
>
> ...
> *Internet Collaboration*
>
> .
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:12:29 UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>>
>> I 100*0*% agree with you! Its the one stop shop for getting started, 
>> automatic saving, etc. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:13:59 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>>
>>> The create wiki button has already made this my go to for any situation 
>>> where I want a single file wiki (testing things, demos etc). 
>>>
>>> I think we need to heavily promote TiddlyDesktop as the way to get 
>>> started with TW for non techie people.
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Stroll: last call for experimenting

Dave,

Re the saving issue?

Do you mean this;


On Sunday, 3 May 2020 21:52:56 UTC+10, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> Hi Dave
>  
>
>> *I find it confusing that the same tiddler can be open twice. I see it as 
>> a bug, not a feature. If there would be a way to turn that off or make it 
>> an optional thing for advanced users, that would be preferable.*
>>
>
> You can turn it off in the control panel under Appearance -> Toolbars -> 
> Edit Toolbar and just ship with 
> the 
> $:/config/EditToolbarButtons/Visibility/$:/_sq/Stories/divertTiddlerEditMacro 
> tiddler that will be created.
>
> Note that there are still multiple ways you can end up with the same 
> tiddler in both stories (click and shift-click a tiddler link from the 
> sidebar for example, or drag and drop on the Open sidebar). This is tricky 
> to work around both because the solution to prevent this would be 
> heavy-handed but also because it can be difficult to know what the correct 
> behavior should be (close the first one? don't open the second? etc). Once 
> there are people using this on a daily basisc, depending on any feedback 
> around this issue, we can consider changes.
>
>
* Then I said this*

When something is hard to fix make it into a feature. :) I am not kidding.
> Perhaps a replacement edit Button could be created to respond like bob 
> tiddlers pending save to the server do, an edit button that turns to a lock 
> on currentTiddler when the draft of exists?


*Since you asked*


>- TonyM - Explain saving options better (I think this needs to happen 
>in tiddlywiki.com)
>
> *Here I will Explain,*

I have already created what I call a *conditional edit button*, basically I 
hide the default edit button in the More Buttons (uncheck in Toolbar) , 
then check my conditional edit button. 


   - The conditional edit button for example can be displayed on regular 
   tiddlers, but not system tiddlers, or dashboard tiddlers etc... this makes 
   the interface simpler for users by not offering edit on tiddlers they 
   should not edit.

My Suggestion, *ask if you want it.*

   - I could take the same conditional edit and tell it not to display the 
   edit button if the current tiddler exists as a draft.of or some other 
   condition
   - Or rather than not display at all, display a lock icon

*Would this help for stroll?*

Regards
Tony

 

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Re: [tw5] Re: Book tracking for the reading enthusiast

2020-05-05 Thread ILYA

Hello,

There is also a nice macro by @sycom for translation.

https://github.com/sycom/TiddlyWiki-Plugins/blob/master/ext/modules/macros/i18n/i18n.tid

I used it here 
https://github.com/iilyak/tiddlywiki-splitweb/blob/master/plugins/iilyak/splitweb/i18n/readme.tid#L7

I think you can also use multids to put multiple tiddlers into single file if 
you choose to.

The benefit of this approach is you can support multiple languages in a single 
wiki and toggle between. See demo of a language toggle 
https://iilyak.github.io/tiddlywiki-splitweb/


On 20 April 2020 12:31:41 GMT-07:00, Birthe C  wrote:
>Jed,
>
>I did it the dirty way directy in your tiddlers. Måns and I did that a
>lot 
>while using TWclassic. Now as then an elaborate but also a learning 
>experience. AND I must add only for our own wikies.
>
>The best solution to make it possible to have translation in many
>languages 
>is the solution by Thomas Elmiger. It is used in ToDoNow 
> the languages is in the Listreveal plugin
>
>
>. 
>Jan used the same way of doing it in Metatabs. I haven't seen anybody
>else 
>yet. Not everything can be translated in this way but most of it.
>Rather 
>easy the user have to clone and copy a tiddler and name it after the
>wanted 
>language. The tiddler contains a list of wordpairs, translate them. A 
>tiddler language exists, and a link to the translated tiddler is copied
>
>into it.
>Thomas uses the macro $:/plugins/telmiger/lib/telang 
>
>.I 
>do not think I am able to explain it any further.
>How difficult that method is for the plugin author, I really do not
>know.
>
>I do think it is a great way a good plugin could end having
>translations to 
>many languages. If an author want to, he could ask translators to send
>the 
>translation tiddler. They could be listed on a plugin site. It would
>also 
>be some measure of how popular and used a plugin were all over the
>world.
>
>I do think though, you have more important things to do ;-)
>
>Birthe
>
>mandag den 20. april 2020 kl. 20.22.18 UTC+2 skrev Jed Carty:
>>
>> Yes, that. I am glad someone is keeping track of where I put things 
>> because I certainly am not.
>>
>> I wasn't aware that you were translating some of what I made. Is
>there 
>> something I can do to make it easier?
>>
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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

I agree too, but there are a few paths that need to be at the top, and In 
some ways they should be limited with links to additional options

Here is an incomplete list that attempts to guide people, but I think we 
should have an even simpler *TiddlyWiki Recommends eg; Timimi, 
TiddlyDesktop, TiddlyServer Bobexe*

*Personal use*

   - *Default save* via download
  - Additional save in browser options to automate this are available
   - *Timimi *- Chrome FireFox Plugin and small local application running 
   on multiple 64bit  Operating systems
  - Allows opening single file wikis in a browser from any location and 
  saving them automatically
   - *TiddlyDesktop* - an application you install on windows/MAC/Linux to 
   view, create and edit your tiddlywikis, optionally share them on the local 
   network
  - Allows opening single file wikis and Folder based wikis from a list 
  of wikis stored anywhere and saving them automatically
  - Has own built in browser
   - *BobExe* - Local server application providing Multi-wiki Multiuser 
   Wikis, includes bob saver for accessing single file wikis at a local URL

*Shared Use Plenty of additional options are available for Personal or 
Shared use as well*

   - *NODE.js* install of tiddlywiki to access at local host or on the LAN 
   (Underlying tech of many tiddlywiki server solutions)
  - One user at a time without further management
   - *TiddlyServer* Open and launch file and folder based wikis from any 
   location and a browser based index of independant wikis.
  - One user at a time without further management
   - *Bob and Bobexe* multi-access and multi-user access with a tiddler 
   level lock on content

Multi-device usage

...

*Internet published*

   - tw-reciever on php
  - One user at a time without further management, overwrite protection
   - 

...
*Internet Collaboration*

.

Regards
Tony


On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:12:29 UTC+10, Diego Mesa wrote:
>
> I 100*0*% agree with you! Its the one stop shop for getting started, 
> automatic saving, etc. 
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:13:59 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> The create wiki button has already made this my go to for any situation 
>> where I want a single file wiki (testing things, demos etc). 
>>
>> I think we need to heavily promote TiddlyDesktop as the way to get 
>> started with TW for non techie people.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Demo: SVG live editor

2020-05-05 Thread Joshua Fontany

Fantastic work. :D

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:18:28 PM UTC-7, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot, Mister Gloom, the new animation inspired by you is finally 
> here:
> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/svg.html#Animations%203
>
> A small preview was added to the examples too. 
>
> Am Sonntag, 19. April 2020 10:51:42 UTC+2 schrieb A Gloom:
>>
>> Another svg animation for your library-- see attached tiddler -- sorry, 
>> you'll have to clean up the code to match the code style for your editor.
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

Folks,

A Quick mention of prior art, and related ideas for view and edit as one 
mode, visual/wysiwig editing

   - There is a visual editor based on CKEditor, I generates HTML wikis, 
   good for HTML designers but not so good with wiki text, however you can add 
   wikitext and widgets later
   - Numerous outliners have being made previously.
   - There are numerous edit in the view template methods, I use one every 
   day, and I build a business solution based on this (It will be a while 
   before I publish this because it has sophisticated field and field type 
   management built in.
   - The draft mechanism for the current editor is designed to get over the 
   issue of editing the current tiddler, alternative need to take this into 
   account. But it is trivial to build an editor tiddler that edits a 
   nominated tiddlers (not itself)
   - The Existing preview mechanism is very powerful and if you add the 
   core internals plugin even better for coders and html freaks. A Horizontal 
   version that resemble wikimedi/wikipedi should be trivial
   - There is a high level of productivity gained from using wiki markup so 
   visual editors are arguably a move away from this however it would 
   certainly help new or incidential users of tiddlywiki

Possible and prefered futures

   - IF we provided a WISIWIG HTML editor with Wiki-Text to HTML and back 
   conversion features it would be quite good
   - If we had a visual editor that could generate Wikitext and possible 
   Markdown rather than html it would be nervana, since html flows from 
   wikitext anyway
   - There are plenty of editor projects out there in html and javascript, 
   perhaps adopting on of those projects and building a plugin for tiddlywiki 
   would leverage another active community and would be better than taking on 
   this independently generating a separate development and release project.
   - Projects such as atom.io or editors that are also designed for site 
   generation could be very powerful if integrated into Tiddlywiki.Such they 
   could edit and produce tiddlers but also support the generation of other 
   output.

Regards
tony

On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 06:54:12 UTC+10, tony wrote:
>
> Not sure if this helps, but Eric's modification of Lisa's macro 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/5xV05Lg6yOo/Jz8HZIrJAwAJ
>
> works like prose mirror  for 
> me with wikitext and the edit state persists even is closed:
>
> \define journalTiddlerName( ) $(when)$ $(project)$
> \define state() $:/state/$(currentTiddler)$
> <$vars project={{!!project}} when=<>>
><$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="show">
>   <><$button set=<> setTo="show" class
> ="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/edit-button}}
>   <$transclude tiddler=<> mode="block" />
>
><$reveal type="match" state=<> text="show">
>   <><$button set=<> setTo="hide" 
> class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/done-button}}
>   <>
>   <$tiddler tiddler=<>>{{||$:/core/ui/
> EditTemplate/body/editor}}
>
> 
>
> I just transclude the macro ({{JournalLogger}}) and set a generic project 
> field name like 'log' to distinguished from a duplicated journal tiddler:
> [[2020-05-05 log]]
>  vs
> [[2020-05-05]]
>
> when the next day rolls over I get a new day log tiddler with no effort :-)
>
> If the date format is changed to minutes then a minute by minute log is 
> created, but I found that is waay too many tiddler entries for me.
>
> TiddlyWiki is pretty cool and its algebra like ability for user lego play 
> will outlast all this new hotness from the new kids on the block, 
> Workflowy, Notion, roam, etc etc
>
> Best,
> tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:04:31 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:35:34 AM UTC+2, Edgaras wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>> So I am wondering, are there any existing plugins/efforts or discussions 
>>> to try to make TiddlyWiki editor more like RoamResearch or Dynalist, where 
>>> you can can focus on writing/producing content in the same mode as you view 
>>> it?
>>>
>>
>> Hi, 
>> I think there are a lot discussions in this group, but there isn't an up 
>> to date plugin, that is close, to what you want. 
>>
>> In the end the editor, has to create wikitext, even if it is displayed as 
>> rendered text. We need wikitext, be stored in a tiddler. Everything else 
>> doesn't make much sense. 
>>
>> There is a project named: ProseMirror, which is from the same author, 
>> that created CodeMirror. We already have a CodeMirror editor plugin, that 
>> allows us to completely change the internal editor behavior.
>>
>> With ProseMirror, it would be possible to create what you want. There is 
>> an example link, which shows an edit-element, that can switch between 
>> "prose text" and Markdown. https://prosemirror.net/examples/markdown/
>>
>> It should be possible to use a "full-screen" edit view, to create a 
>> Zen-like writing experience.
>>
>> If we put

[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

2020-05-05 Thread Diego Mesa

I 100*0*% agree with you! Its the one stop shop for getting started, 
automatic saving, etc. 

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:13:59 PM UTC-5, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> The create wiki button has already made this my go to for any situation 
> where I want a single file wiki (testing things, demos etc). 
>
> I think we need to heavily promote TiddlyDesktop as the way to get started 
> with TW for non techie people.
>

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

Jeremy,

Thanks for the new release of this invaluable tool for tiddlywiki.

   - One Question though is can the ability to ask TiddlyDesktop to share 
   tiddlywiki's via url, such as on the local network be made available?
   I vaguely remembers suggestions this was already possible but the 
   documentation was not clear.

I am installing and testing the new release now, for other readers these 
are the key reasons I use it at present;

   - To launch my key task and knowledge management wiki I use every day in 
   its own window independant of browsers
   - To launch a custom wiki that contains a directory of links that open 
   in the default browser, launches local apps and batch files and displays 
   contents of local files for review such as the result of a network check 
   bach, the windows hosts file and more.

Thanks again
tony

On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 02:47:10 UTC+10, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14 for macOS, 
> Linux and Windows:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.14
>
> TiddlyDesktop is a custom desktop browser for TiddlyWiki that makes saving 
> changes transparent automatic. It supports TiddlyWiki Classic and 
> TiddlyWiki 5 (both single file wikis and Node.js wiki folders). 
> TiddlyDesktop is itself a custom implementation of TiddlyWiki and so is 
> highly customisable, just like TiddlyWiki itself.
>
> The improvements in the new version include:
>
>- Added new “Create Wiki” button to create new wiki files/folders from 
>templates or by cloning an existing wiki
>- New command line option to open specific wikis at startup
>- Switched from static colours to using backstage palette colours
>- Reverted to less skinny fonts
>- Add a button to access Chromium’s flags page
>- Fixed a crash with SVG links
>- Setting to rename the wiki list window (useful if running multiple 
>instances)
>- Added authorisation option for wikifolders (click "advanced" in the 
>wiki list)
>- Fixed issue with “quit” item in tray menu not working
>- New easier to see tray icon in yellow for Windows and Linux (macOS 
>requires monochrome tray icons)
>- Reduced download size for app
>- Updated nwjs to v0.45.5
>- Updated TiddlyWiki to v5.1.23-prerelease
>- New app icon
>
> As with TiddlyWiki itself, TiddlyDesktop is a community effort that relies 
> on the commitment and enthusiasm of many volunteers. I’d particularly like 
> to thank @mklauber, @BurningTreeC, @BramChen and @half0wl who have 
> contributed to this release via GitHub.
>
> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Emulating slices/sections with macros

Mark,

Good ideas, as is often the case you and Mat inspire me. I do not have time 
now to demonstrate the ideas you have spawned, but here is a few quick 
points, and without the detail may provide inspiration to you both;

   - What of a customised excise tool, that cuts selected text, asks for a 
   title, and generates a macro in a separate tiddler, leaving behind the 
   macro in the source?
  - A Conditional component that allows one to turn on and off a link, 
  show hide etc of the "excised tiddler macro" ot snipit-macro would be nice
   - Rather than define the macro in the excised tiddler (a macro-snipit), 
   Perhaps this smarter that the first suggestion, tag the excised tiddler 
   with $:/tags/macrosource, and have a process that converts all snipits into 
   a macro `<>`, this would allow reusable code, and to add 
   remove buttons to all snipit-macros. The snipit macros could also accept 
   parameters such as display, click to open etc...

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, 6 May 2020 07:48:01 UTC+10, Mark S. wrote:
>
> If you have the tiddler tagged $:/tags/Macro, you can access any "slice" 
> from any tiddler.
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 2:21:13 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing Mark. I share your feelings about slices. Your 
>> creation is interesting but doesn't it miss out on the main point with 
>> slices - i.e that you can access the slice from another tiddler?
>>
>> <:-)
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler



> Always provide an other button.
>

You mean for OS? Is there any known and working savers for other OS? For 
eg, have anyone tested tw5 in chrome OS or  Firefox OS?

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler



> Always provide an other button.
>

You mean for OS? Is there any known and working savers for other OS? For 
eg, have anyone tested tw5 in chrome OS or  Firefox OS?

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #104 with Saq Imtiaz

2020-05-05 Thread Ste Wilson

This happens on mobile aswell! 

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

The browser sniffer plugin retrieves browser information for the purpose see 
core plugins.

Always provide an other button.

Regards
Tony

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[tw5] Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

The create wiki button has already made this my go to for any situation where I 
want a single file wiki (testing things, demos etc). 

I think we need to heavily promote TiddlyDesktop as the way to get started with 
TW for non techie people.

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

Unrelated QN: Is there a particular reason as to why Bob is not listed 
among the saver methods?


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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler



> I wonder, is it possible to detect the OS during boot-up and set the 
> default buttons accordingly?
>
> The reason I ask is that most software that I download does exactly this: 
> It presents a menu that attempts to steer me towards whatever platform that 
> I'm currently on.
>
> This is possible. Create an startup-action tiddler that sets os and 
browser using information from info tiddlers

 

> Based on questions in the forums, it appears that users easily ignore the 
> warning triangle about not saving with the file save menu. I'm thinking 
> that a screen shot of the file save menu with a slash and circle over it 
> might convey the message more readily. In fact, it might make sense to have 
> it at the top of the "Getting Started" tiddler to make the saving "problem" 
> clearer, before explaining the solutions. The whole idea of needing a 
> special approach to saving is going to be new to most people.
>
>
 My plan is to ask Mohammad to make a PR for the alerts in his shiraz 
plugin to style the alerts and tips. It catches attention more effectively 
- being a colored block

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[tw5] Re: Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

That looks nice!

I wonder, is it possible to detect the OS during boot-up and set the 
default buttons accordingly?

The reason I ask is that most software that I download does exactly this: 
It presents a menu that attempts to steer me towards whatever platform that 
I'm currently on.

Based on questions in the forums, it appears that users easily ignore the 
warning triangle about not saving with the file save menu. I'm thinking 
that a screen shot of the file save menu with a slash and circle over it 
might convey the message more readily. In fact, it might make sense to have 
it at the top of the "Getting Started" tiddler to make the saving "problem" 
clearer, before explaining the solutions. The whole idea of needing a 
special approach to saving is going to be new to most people.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:05:43 PM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>
>
> https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/demo/docs.html
>
> I am talking about the visual changes to the "GettingStarted" tiddler 
> only. Not the other slight modifications made.
>
> I was thinking if it would be appropriate to make a PR for this. It is 
> responsive - so mobile users won't have any issues. But it is some amount 
> of work. So instead of doing the whole thing and later understanding that 
> why such a change cannot be merged, I thought I will create a minimum 
> viable demo and see if it could be integrated.
>
> The check-boxes on the side  -  for selecting OS and Browser - works like 
> normal check-boxes. Which means multiple selection is possible.  So new 
> users can see if there are save methods that works in all the major 
> platforms they work in. The cards will rearrange based on the combined 
> selection. ie - If you check windows, Linux, mac and Firefox - it will show 
> you methods that is common to these platforms.
>
> Other major change is the big green button is now an electric blue. Since 
> TW5 follows a blue theme - it makes more sense the download button is a 
> variation of blue. There is enough panache in that button to attract 
> attention to it I guess.
>
> Also we can set the Community Resources for follow the same card pattern. 
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
>
>

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[tw5] Demo: Proposal for slight visual changes to getting started tiddler

https://ibnishak.github.io/Tesseract/demo/docs.html

I am talking about the visual changes to the "GettingStarted" tiddler only.
Not the other slight modifications made.

I was thinking if it would be appropriate to make a PR for this. It is
responsive - so mobile users won't have any issues. But it is some amount
of work. So instead of doing the whole thing and later understanding that
why such a change cannot be merged, I thought I will create a minimum
viable demo and see if it could be integrated.

The check-boxes on the side - for selecting OS and Browser - works like
normal check-boxes. Which means multiple selection is possible. So new
users can see if there are save methods that works in all the major
platforms they work in. The cards will rearrange based on the combined
selection. ie - If you check windows, Linux, mac and Firefox - it will show
you methods that is common to these platforms.

Other major change is the big green button is now an electric blue. Since
TW5 follows a blue theme - it makes more sense the download button is a
variation of blue. There is enough panache in that button to attract
attention to it I guess.

Also we can set the Community Resources for follow the same card pattern.

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Emulating slices/sections with macros

If you have the tiddler tagged $:/tags/Macro, you can access any "slice" 
from any tiddler.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 2:21:13 PM UTC-7, Mat wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Mark. I share your feelings about slices. Your creation 
> is interesting but doesn't it miss out on the main point with slices - i.e 
> that you can access the slice from another tiddler?
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Emulating slices/sections with macros

Thanks for sharing Mark. I share your feelings about slices. Your creation 
is interesting but doesn't it miss out on the main point with slices - i.e 
that you can access the slice from another tiddler?

<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

Hi Saq,

It was highly interesting. I love your two story and have in fact been 
using it since you shared the one with the drag and drop zone some time ago.
I would also like to see Dave Gifford telling us about Stroll.

Birthe


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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

2020-05-05 Thread tony

Not sure if this helps, but Eric's modification of Lisa's macro 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/5xV05Lg6yOo/Jz8HZIrJAwAJ

works like prose mirror  for me 
with wikitext and the edit state persists even is closed:

\define journalTiddlerName( ) $(when)$ $(project)$
\define state() $:/state/$(currentTiddler)$
<$vars project={{!!project}} when=<>>
   <$reveal type="nomatch" state=<> text="show">
  <><$button set=<> setTo="show" class=
"tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/edit-button}}
  <$transclude tiddler=<> mode="block" />
   
   <$reveal type="match" state=<> text="show">
  <><$button set=<> setTo="hide" 
class="tc-btn-invisible">{{$:/core/images/done-button}}
  <>
  <$tiddler tiddler=<>>{{||$:/core/ui/
EditTemplate/body/editor}}
   


I just transclude the macro ({{JournalLogger}}) and set a generic project 
field name like 'log' to distinguished from a duplicated journal tiddler:
[[2020-05-05 log]]
 vs
[[2020-05-05]]

when the next day rolls over I get a new day log tiddler with no effort :-)

If the date format is changed to minutes then a minute by minute log is 
created, but I found that is waay too many tiddler entries for me.

TiddlyWiki is pretty cool and its algebra like ability for user lego play 
will outlast all this new hotness from the new kids on the block, 
Workflowy, Notion, roam, etc etc

Best,
tony


On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 6:04:31 AM UTC-7, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:35:34 AM UTC+2, Edgaras wrote:
> ...
>
>> So I am wondering, are there any existing plugins/efforts or discussions 
>> to try to make TiddlyWiki editor more like RoamResearch or Dynalist, where 
>> you can can focus on writing/producing content in the same mode as you view 
>> it?
>>
>
> Hi, 
> I think there are a lot discussions in this group, but there isn't an up 
> to date plugin, that is close, to what you want. 
>
> In the end the editor, has to create wikitext, even if it is displayed as 
> rendered text. We need wikitext, be stored in a tiddler. Everything else 
> doesn't make much sense. 
>
> There is a project named: ProseMirror, which is from the same author, that 
> created CodeMirror. We already have a CodeMirror editor plugin, that allows 
> us to completely change the internal editor behavior.
>
> With ProseMirror, it would be possible to create what you want. There is 
> an example link, which shows an edit-element, that can switch between 
> "prose text" and Markdown. https://prosemirror.net/examples/markdown/
>
> It should be possible to use a "full-screen" edit view, to create a 
> Zen-like writing experience.
>
> If we put enough work into it, it is possible to create TW wikitext as the 
> "backend text", which would allow us to add functionality, that we consider 
> for granted. eg: lists, widgets and transclusions. 
>
> The library used will add about 300kByte to a single file wiki. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

Good point and apologies Birthe. I was too much in "hangout" mode in my mind 
and not enough in "presentation" mode. I'm more used to doing presentations on 
my feet in front of people!

Regards,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: Newbie Questions: Fonts & Shortcuts

2020-05-05 Thread selfire

Hey Sylvain,

would you mind sharing some more details on how adapting the fonts would 
work? I have tried just adding in, for example, Futura into the "Segoe UI" 
slot but couldn't see any changes. Do the different font family correspond 
to different elements, like headings or body text?

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[tw5] Re: Newbie Questions: Fonts & Shortcuts

2020-05-05 Thread Sylvain Naudin



Le mardi 5 mai 2020 18:19:35 UTC+2, selfire a écrit :

>
>- *How do I change the fonts?* I changed the *FontFamily* in 
>*$:/ControlPanel.* Is there more to it than that or is it just my 
>parsing that doesn't make the change apply?
>
>
Hi Selfire,

If you change family here, it use your local font of your operating system.

You can read this recent post by Mohammad : 
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/kv3KuRaYCl0/W2bsJ_ggBgAJ

And visit his demo : http://kookma.webfonts.tiddlyspot.com/

With TW 5.1.22, the support of woff2 web font is a cool feature. Look at 
Mohammad howto and ask us if you need more advice.


Sylvain

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/wdsi/submission/4939b3e2-689c-4d72-8318-1bb2a7d9570d

On Wed, 6 May 2020, 00:22 Rizwan Ishak,  wrote:

> Compilation is done using golang compiler itself. The installer is created
> with NSIS - another open source software which is the most commonly used
> install packager.
>
>
> As you yourself pointed out, the timimi.exe itself has been cleared by all
> major security softwares. If NSIS was manipulating timimi.exe in any way,
> the one that should be detected is the timimi.exe itself, right?
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>
>
>
> On Wed, 6 May 2020, 00:10 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
> tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem isn't the source code -- it's the compilation to source code
>> and what happens between compilation and posting.
>>
>> I used VirusTotal to look at the executable. VirusTotal scans files using
>> more than 70 AV engines! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Windows defender is
>> one of them. For the main package, 5 of 73 engines claimed there was a
>> problem. Four of the engines I've never heard of, but one was McAfee-GW,
>> which may out of date. For timimi.exe, only one obscure engine reported a
>> problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to
>>> install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That
>>> version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside
>>> its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to
>>> install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want
>>> that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json
>>> to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`
>>>
>>> Here are simple facts .
>>> You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with
>>> multiple security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan
>>> it with Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - it
>>> is an opensource software with the entire code on GitHub. You can download
>>> it, read line by line and compile it. Install golang, open the terminal,
>>> run `cd timimi/host && go build`.
>>>
>>> @Mark - Can you please share your threat-definition version? I am
>>> checking which one is creating the issue.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Riz
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Newbie Questions: Fonts & Shortcuts

2020-05-05 Thread Sylvain Naudin



Le mardi 5 mai 2020 18:32:52 UTC+2, Rohrreiniger a écrit :
>
> Would be great to know what even this all means:
>
> -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-
> serif, "Apple Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"
>
>
Hi Rohrreiniger,

This is a common list of family font in differents operating system. You 
can adapt to your usage.

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Re: [tw5] Freelinks

2020-05-05 Thread Sylvain Naudin



Le mardi 5 mai 2020 17:41:00 UTC+2, Jeremy Ruston a écrit :

>
> Apologies, my mistake. Now fixed here:
>
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/c9692d7a508cfdb0446e67061201961dca64d8dd
>
> The update will be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease in 5 
> minutes or so,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>
Hi Jeremy,

Great ! Test-it with success :)

(test uri external url favicon too, work great).

Thanks,

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #104 with Saq Imtiaz

2020-05-05 Thread Mohammad

Lovely Mat!
I just add the alt+n as shortcut (overwrite the default one) and it fires 
as soon as I press alt+n

Just a minor comment, when resize window the text/tag/title are aligned in 
one line!


Cheers
Mohammad






On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 11:53:11 PM UTC+4:30, Mat wrote:
>
> Saq - congratulations for a superior concept! That looks very practical.
>
> You're addressing a weakness in TW that is not often talked about: TW is 
> great for *managing *notes but not optimal for *taking *notes. Anyone 
> attempting to use it during a live lecture will discover this within a few 
> minutes. One of my own attempts to solve this was rQuickTid 
>  ("r" as in "remote") but yours is 
> obviously in another league. I'm looking forward to when you publish it as 
> I will use it!
>
> I love the viewmode access to edit the tags. I'd prefer this over the 
> current native behaviour and believe it would encourage tag usage even 
> more. If there's ever federation or some other collaborative work around 
> tiddlers then I think adding tags in view mode would be very useful. It 
> could simplify a setting to  enable adding of tags but restricting 
> modification of the tiddler content.
>
> Anway, thanks to both of you for a really interesting hangout! 
>
> <:-)
>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Demo: SVG live editor

2020-05-05 Thread Thomas Elmiger

Thanks a lot, Mister Gloom, the new animation inspired by you is finally 
here:
https://tid.li/tw5/apps/svg.html#Animations%203

A small preview was added to the examples too. 

Am Sonntag, 19. April 2020 10:51:42 UTC+2 schrieb A Gloom:
>
> Another svg animation for your library-- see attached tiddler -- sorry, 
> you'll have to clean up the code to match the code style for your editor.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki Hangout #104 with Saq Imtiaz

Saq - congratulations for a superior concept! That looks very practical.

You're addressing a weakness in TW that is not often talked about: TW is 
great for *managing *notes but not optimal for *taking *notes. Anyone 
attempting to use it during a live lecture will discover this within a few 
minutes. One of my own attempts to solve this was rQuickTid 
 ("r" as in "remote") but yours is 
obviously in another league. I'm looking forward to when you publish it as 
I will use it!

I love the viewmode access to edit the tags. I'd prefer this over the 
current native behaviour and believe it would encourage tag usage even 
more. If there's ever federation or some other collaborative work around 
tiddlers then I think adding tags in view mode would be very useful. It 
could simplify a setting to  enable adding of tags but restricting 
modification of the tiddler content.

Anway, thanks to both of you for a really interesting hangout! 

<:-)

>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

Compilation is done using golang compiler itself. The installer is created
with NSIS - another open source software which is the most commonly used
install packager.


As you yourself pointed out, the timimi.exe itself has been cleared by all
major security softwares. If NSIS was manipulating timimi.exe in any way,
the one that should be detected is the timimi.exe itself, right?

Sincerely,
Riz



On Wed, 6 May 2020, 00:10 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki, <
tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The problem isn't the source code -- it's the compilation to source code
> and what happens between compilation and posting.
>
> I used VirusTotal to look at the executable. VirusTotal scans files using
> more than 70 AV engines! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Windows defender is
> one of them. For the main package, 5 of 73 engines claimed there was a
> problem. Four of the engines I've never heard of, but one was McAfee-GW,
> which may out of date. For timimi.exe, only one obscure engine reported a
> problem.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>>
>> Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to
>> install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That
>> version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside
>> its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to
>> install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want
>> that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json
>> to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`
>>
>> Here are simple facts .
>> You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with
>> multiple security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan
>> it with Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - it
>> is an opensource software with the entire code on GitHub. You can download
>> it, read line by line and compile it. Install golang, open the terminal,
>> run `cd timimi/host && go build`.
>>
>> @Mark - Can you please share your threat-definition version? I am
>> checking which one is creating the issue.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Riz
>>
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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

The problem isn't the source code -- it's the compilation to source code 
and what happens between compilation and posting.

I used VirusTotal to look at the executable. VirusTotal scans files using 
more than 70 AV engines! Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Windows defender is 
one of them. For the main package, 5 of 73 engines claimed there was a 
problem. Four of the engines I've never heard of, but one was McAfee-GW, 
which may out of date. For timimi.exe, only one obscure engine reported a 
problem.





On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:12:00 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>
> Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to 
> install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That 
> version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside 
> its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to 
> install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want 
> that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json 
> to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`
>
> Here are simple facts .
> You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with 
> multiple security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan 
> it with Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - it 
> is an opensource software with the entire code on GitHub. You can download 
> it, read line by line and compile it. Install golang, open the terminal, 
> run `cd timimi/host && go build`. 
>
> @Mark - Can you please share your threat-definition version? I am checking 
> which one is creating the issue.
>
> Sincerely,
> Riz
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

2020-05-05 Thread selfire

Coming quite recently to TiddlyWiki and climbing up the steep learning 
curve, this would make things a lot easier. Thank you for your work!

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

@Edgaras: if you want to see ProseMirror in action, that's what NoteBag.app 
uses :)

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@Yoni you can drag and drop multiple MD files to import in bulk.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@Saq the problem with markdown import is that (as far as I can tell) we can 
only import one markdown file at a time. Roam exports each page as its own 
markdown file, so I'm not seeing a way to import in bulk? 

@Mark S yes Roam titles are unique but also case sensitive. So you can have 
two titles with the same name if they have different capitalisation. 

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

2020-05-05 Thread Mohammad

Hi Jeremy,

Many thanks for all your efforts! TiddlyDesktop is a kind of plug and play 
tool for Tiddlywiki!
Specially for newbie there is no hassles to start their sweet experience 
with Tiddlywiki!

Cheers
Mohammad

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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts


I actually found the subtitles rather good. Just not for Tiddlywiki 5 
(Ricky lie] or tiddlers (Hitlers] were only some of the suggestions. 
I just found that we are able to set the playing speed. 

Birthe

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

Python was replaced by golang - because python would require people to 
install python-runtime in their systems - python3 to be specific. That 
version - version 1 is still available in GitHub and will work alongside 
its corresponding version of extension. Or do you mean ask people to 
install golang and run the whole thing as a script? Sure those who want 
that can do that - install golang runtime (0.5GB) and set the timimi.json 
to point to that by `go run ./timimi.go`

Sigh - Here are simple facts .
You want to ensure that there is no security issues - scan it with multiple 
security software. Scan it with Kaspersky, scan it with ESET, scan it with 
Norton, scan it with clamwin. If you are still not satisfied - the entire 
code is in GitHub. You can download it, read line by line and compile it. 
Install golang, open the terminal, run `cd timimi/host && go build`. 

Sincerely,
Riz

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[tw5] Re: Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14

Congratulations on another release of TiddlyDesktop! TD is probably the 
most "normal" way for a newby tiddler-tiddler to begin his/her TW career.

The one feature I miss most with TD, being somewhat sight-challenged, is 
the ability to zoom in/out. Is that a necessary restriction of the built-in 
chromium browser, or could it be restored at some point in time?

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:47:10 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
> I’m delighted to announce the release of TiddlyDesktop v0.0.14 for macOS, 
> Linux and Windows:
>
> https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.14
>
> TiddlyDesktop is a custom desktop browser for TiddlyWiki that makes saving 
> changes transparent automatic. It supports TiddlyWiki Classic and 
> TiddlyWiki 5 (both single file wikis and Node.js wiki folders). 
> TiddlyDesktop is itself a custom implementation of TiddlyWiki and so is 
> highly customisable, just like TiddlyWiki itself.
>
> The improvements in the new version include:
>
>- Added new “Create Wiki” button to create new wiki files/folders from 
>templates or by cloning an existing wiki
>- New command line option to open specific wikis at startup
>- Switched from static colours to using backstage palette colours
>- Reverted to less skinny fonts
>- Add a button to access Chromium’s flags page
>- Fixed a crash with SVG links
>- Setting to rename the wiki list window (useful if running multiple 
>instances)
>- Added authorisation option for wikifolders (click "advanced" in the 
>wiki list)
>- Fixed issue with “quit” item in tray menu not working
>- New easier to see tray icon in yellow for Windows and Linux (macOS 
>requires monochrome tray icons)
>- Reduced download size for app
>- Updated nwjs to v0.45.5
>- Updated TiddlyWiki to v5.1.23-prerelease
>- New app icon
>
> As with TiddlyWiki itself, TiddlyDesktop is a community effort that relies 
> on the commitment and enthusiasm of many volunteers. I’d particularly like 
> to thank @mklauber, @BurningTreeC, @BramChen and @half0wl who have 
> contributed to this release via GitHub.
>
> Feedback and questions are welcome,
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [tw5] Reviving TiddlyWiki Hangouts

2020-05-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Birthe

> On 5 May 2020, at 02:46, Birthe C  wrote:
> 
> Please may I ask: Try not to speak too fast. I had the subtitles on and that 
> did help some but not quite enough

Very good point, I’m keen to make the videos accessible to as wide an audience 
as possible. YouTube generates subtitles automatically but they are not 
super-accurate.  As an experiment, I’ve turned on an option labelled “community 
subtitles” for the latest hangout, I believe it enables contributions to the 
subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvnqgfvohfM

Best wishes

Jeremy

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[tw5] Re: Timimi extends support to Chrome, Chromium and Opera in Linux, Mac and Windows

I believe in one of your first versions, the extension could call python to 
run the script?? Or is that a false memory?

I'm thinking that if you had the same feature with golang you wouldn't need 
to worry about viruses or registration for computer systems -- the golang 
development group would do that for you. This setup wouldn't be for 
everyone, but it might solve problems with AV for some people down the road.

On Monday, April 27, 2020 at 6:37:06 AM UTC-7, Riz wrote:
>
> Hello there,
>
> Hope all you are doing well and safe in these testing times. 
>

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[tw5] Emulating slices/sections with macros

Not too serious of a proposal. Just a random thought about slices/sections. 
Just realized they could be emulated to a degree with macros.

\define mas_01()
* Sections were really useful
** I can't help but miss them
Their functionality can be imitated using macros!
\end

\define comment() THE FOLLOWING ASSUMES YOU HAVE TIDDLER "Find me 2"

\define mas_02()
{{Find me 2}} is another tiddler. Which means you can use real 
transclusions as well.
\end

\define mas_03()
You can also 'transclude' other sections using macros:
<>
\end

<$list filter="[variables[]prefix[mas]sort[]]" variable="macro">
<$button set={{{[[$:/state/]addsuffix]}}} setTo="show">Show 
<>
<$button set={{{[[$:/state/]addsuffix]}}} setTo="hide">Hide 
<>
<$reveal type="match" state={{{[[$:/state/]addsuffix]}}} text="show">

<$macrocall $name=<>/>






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[tw5] Re: Newbie Questions: Fonts & Shortcuts

2020-05-05 Thread Rohrreiniger

Would be great to know what even this all means:

-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, "Segoe UI", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif, 
"Apple 
Color Emoji", "Segoe UI Emoji", "Segoe UI Symbol"


Am Dienstag, 5. Mai 2020 18:19:35 UTC+2 schrieb selfire:
>
> Hey, as a newbie and non-coder I just recently started trying to figure 
> out the mechanics and options to customise Tiddly Wiki.
>
> Two specific questions:
>
>- *How do I change the fonts?* I changed the *FontFamily* in 
>*$:/ControlPanel.* Is there more to it than that or is it just my 
>parsing that doesn't make the change apply?
>- *How do I create shortcuts?* I have followed the steps listed here 
>, 
>yet when I press the combination nothing happens. My aim is to create a 
>quick shortcut for "[[" since I use internal linking a fair bit but the 
>shift-alt-L combination doesn't trigger autocomplete in *TiddlyBlink*.
>
>
> Thank you for your help in advance, I apologise if these questions are 
> very silly ones.
>

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[tw5] Newbie Questions: Fonts & Shortcuts

2020-05-05 Thread selfire

Hey, as a newbie and non-coder I just recently started trying to figure out 
the mechanics and options to customise Tiddly Wiki.

Two specific questions:

   - *How do I change the fonts?* I changed the *FontFamily* in 
   *$:/ControlPanel.* Is there more to it than that or is it just my 
   parsing that doesn't make the change apply?
   - *How do I create shortcuts?* I have followed the steps listed here 
   , 
   yet when I press the combination nothing happens. My aim is to create a 
   quick shortcut for "[[" since I use internal linking a fair bit but the 
   shift-alt-L combination doesn't trigger autocomplete in *TiddlyBlink*.


Thank you for your help in advance, I apologise if these questions are very 
silly ones.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

2020-05-05 Thread Vaughn Papenhausen

Mat, that looks awesome! I think if there were an easy keyboard shortcut 
for making a new section that would already provide 95% of what I, at 
least, want out of an outliner. 

To be explicit, I think the benefit of an outliner is that it makes 
applying the tiddler philosophy less effortful: you don't have to think as 
much in the creation phase about when a chunk should be individually 
linkable: every node and branch on the outline is automatically linkable, 
so as you're creating you're automatically putting in breaks every time you 
hit enter to make a new outline node. With vanilla TW you have to either 
write in one tiddler and then break it out into chunks later, or regularly 
manually create new tiddlers, which has a lot of friction attached, or 
simply make long tiddlers and leave them that way, which dilutes the power 
of the tiddler philosophy. Having the interface semi-automatically break 
your work into chunks without much thought on your part makes the tiddler 
philosophy work a lot better. Having a keyboard shortcut on your 
SuperTiddlers would go most of the way towards that, because it would be 
easy to make a new tiddler for every paragraph by default, and perhaps even 
every node on a bulleted list (since your plugin already includes the 
ability to have bulleted lists go across sections). 

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:20:57 AM UTC-4, Mat wrote:
>
> There are a few angles to this topic.
>
> If the aim is to improve the authoring experience you may be interested in 
> my ongoing EditorMagic project. I think the concept of a balloon popup 
> 
>  
> editor inspired it. I elaborate on the concept here: Trigger Custom Popus 
> via Custom Strings . 
> While this is not quite the same thing as directly editing the wysiwyg 
> text, it would make for a *much *more efficient editing experience. 
> Possibly, it may also be adapted so that it *is* possible to use it in 
> tiddler view mode: If all elements were "targettable" from view mode, 
> perhaps if they had a div automatically added to them, then maybe this 
> would be possible.
>
> From some fiddling with WordPress years ago I recall -- possibly only in 
> some themes -- a system with *three *"views": One showing the finished 
> static look (what we call "view mode"), one showing the underlying code 
> (perhaps what is the html code) and one "in between layer" that was a kind 
> of a...hmm... "mixed view", for example a table that in the finished look 
> would have no visible borders did have borders here for easy selection (e.g 
> to set visibility),  bold text really was bold (like in finished look), 
> hovering an image showed it's resize-handles etc. A 
> high-but-still-modifiable UI level.
>
> I can see several improvements along the way. For example, for defining a 
> macro we "shouldn't" have to type "\define ... \end". It "should" be one 
> tiddler per macro. Setting the tiddler "sort" (type?) as macro 
> automatically adds the $:/tags/Macro (ideally hidden) and the title of the 
> tiddler is the macro title. There's also automatically a field for the 
> parameter list. 
>
> In fact, I think we are sometimes too exposed to Tiddler Philosophy. This 
> stands in the way when composing larger texts. I would like for "compound 
> tiddlers" where editing a tiddler really enables access to multiple 
> tiddlers. I made this long ago but, like much else, I don't think I ever 
> published it:
>
> http://supertiddlers.tiddlyspot.com/#About%20SuperTiddlers
>
> That site actually has several features but for our discussion, only the 
> "SuperTiddlers" concept is relevant. Be sure to read the About tab and try 
> out the Demos - especially the over-the-top Styles demo - and hover over 
> the text(s) in it. As I outline in the About tab, the point is that 
> tiddlers miss context for longer narratives but with a UI change we could 
> easily solve this. Note that tiddlers do *not *need to use multiple 
> sections like that and everything is still just tiddlers. 
>
> The relevance to Edgaras OP here is that a "SuperTiddler" let's you edit a 
> small portion at a time of what is seen.
>
> <:-)
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 5:22:59 PM UTC+2, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> I do get the point. I put those tiddlers there to explain my point, and my 
> point was the backlinks, NOT the popups. I don't know how to make that 
> clearer: I stated it in those words a number of times.
>

The thing, as far as I understand it, is: You say that you *do *get 
backlinks to work. But you don't get them to work* in popups*. Otherwise 
why do you *at all* include the popups in your question? Why do you keep 
referring to this code which IS the popup?

YYY<$transclude tiddler="ZZZ" 
mode="block"/>


<:-)

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Re: [tw5] Freelinks

2020-05-05 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Sylvain

> I was going to propose to update the readme to indicate that Freelinks wasn't 
> totally case sensitive anymore, but in fact yes?
> 
> If I enable the option, and have a "Plop" tiddler, and in another if I write 
> "plop" and "Plop", both will have a freelink, OK that's the option. But 
> "plop" leads to a missing tiddler. Which isn't quite the same as ignoring 
> case (where then I didn't get it).
> 
> If the option could be an option on the first uppercase letter, that would be 
> fine for me :)

Apologies, my mistake. Now fixed here:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/c9692d7a508cfdb0446e67061201961dca64d8dd

The update will be available on https://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease in 5 minutes 
or so,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

I do get the point. I put those tiddlers there to explain my point, and my 
point was the backlinks, NOT the popups. I don't know how to make that clearer: 
I stated it in those words a number of times.

I know you cannot, and are not even supposed to guess what I mean. But how else 
could I have got the message across to you that my only issue was the 
backlinks? What words should I have used?I must say I am puzzled by it.


5 May 2020, 16:06 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:

> Peter,
>
> You do not get the point. You may not have needed the tiddlers, I did to know 
> what was going on.
> I am very bad at guessing, you see.
>
>
>
> Birthe
>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

2020-05-05 Thread Edgaras

*PMario *thank you for sharing this! ProseMirror seem very nice! It
utilises a native html attribute *contenteditable="true"* and places each
paragraph as a sperate inside the editable . I was also trying
out this attribute before, but got into troubles of being able to paste in
rich text. I have to experiment more with it.

If we could rewrite/update this plugin to support wikitext, that would be
amazing. Unfortunately, I don't know TW enough to estimate how much work is
that. I will play around at least a bit to see. 300kB seems a bit much, no?
But probably they have a lot of features there, it seems like a minimal but
powerful project.

Regarding the design studies, yes the link you posted now is the latest
design prototype, I will soon update it with the latest comments from the
forum. But I don't want to progress much, until I am sure that editor can
be really simplified, I believe that's the core direction to move into now.
So probably I will do all design exploration/studies in that direction
mainly. And also find ways to prototype the writing experience, because in
Figma I run into limitations, I can't really prototype how it feels to type
and edit text. So I need to do some coding to prototype, as I could not
find a prototyping tool that would support me in this case.

–

*Mat *yes! Great project! I see SuperTiddlers as the next step after making
the editor more usable. I've tried to understand other things you wrote,
but I am afraid I am not into TW enough to understand you yet, sorry, but
others will probably see what you mean, haha.;) I think I understand what
you mean about having different modes with different views. But for the
content writing/producing I really would rather have one mode/view only.
And later on, if you want to display/show/publish/structure your content
further more, I would introduce another mode for putting your content into
structure. But I see the first main use case, as starting to write and
build your interlinked knowledge freely. And that should come with as
little friction but with most power as possible. RoamResearch do it well.

–

David Gifford yes, that a needed feature. If you look at ProseMirror it
already has all those features (except tab to nest). But first we want to
simplify the instant writing experience and write the wikitext hehind
scenes. All the other features you mentioned are very much needed! I know
it will take time... But that's the direction to go, slowly but steadily,
if TW should become more accessible to all users.

–

Saq Imtiaz good idea!

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[tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

BTW, do we know if roam titles are unique?

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 11:54:05 PM UTC-7, Yoni Balkind wrote:
>
> Hi All 
>
> My intended workflow is to draft notes in Roam, and then if I deem certain 
> notes worthy of publish, I publish them in my public-facing TiddlyWiki. 
>
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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

Hi Edgaras

>
> So I am wondering, are there any existing plugins/efforts or discussions 
> to try to make TiddlyWiki editor more like RoamResearch or Dynalist, where 
> you can can focus on writing/producing content in the same mode as you view 
> it?
>

I think there are too many things that outliners like Dynalist and Roam do 
that are not native to TW: each paragraph as a node AND a list with an URL 
and menu, easy indenting to create nested lists, easy dragging to rearrange 
nodes or series of nodes, zooming in and out, opening and collapsing. I am 
not sure our time would be best used to try to imitate all these features.

The one thing I think that would help beef up the writing experience in TW 
in the direction of an outliner: If, in the context of an ordered or 
unordered list, hitting enter would create another list item, and hitting 
tab would indent the list item. And hitting enter twice would exit the list 
and return to regular paragraphs. That way I could simulate roughly the 
writing experience in an outliner by starting my tiddler with a *, and 
multiple level lists would not require me to manually type ** and *** etc. 
Get me that functionality, and I would feel a lot freer, even though all 
the other aspects were not available.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

@pmario ProseMirror looks very interesting! I wonder if getting that 
working in TW in co-ordination with the Markdown plugin might be a good 
first step?

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:04:31 PM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:35:34 AM UTC+2, Edgaras wrote:
> ...
>
>> So I am wondering, are there any existing plugins/efforts or discussions 
>> to try to make TiddlyWiki editor more like RoamResearch or Dynalist, where 
>> you can can focus on writing/producing content in the same mode as you view 
>> it?
>>
>
> Hi, 
> I think there are a lot discussions in this group, but there isn't an up 
> to date plugin, that is close, to what you want. 
>
> In the end the editor, has to create wikitext, even if it is displayed as 
> rendered text. We need wikitext, be stored in a tiddler. Everything else 
> doesn't make much sense. 
>
> There is a project named: ProseMirror, which is from the same author, that 
> created CodeMirror. We already have a CodeMirror editor plugin, that allows 
> us to completely change the internal editor behavior.
>
> With ProseMirror, it would be possible to create what you want. There is 
> an example link, which shows an edit-element, that can switch between 
> "prose text" and Markdown. https://prosemirror.net/examples/markdown/
>
> It should be possible to use a "full-screen" edit view, to create a 
> Zen-like writing experience.
>
> If we put enough work into it, it is possible to create TW wikitext as the 
> "backend text", which would allow us to add functionality, that we consider 
> for granted. eg: lists, widgets and transclusions. 
>
> The library used will add about 300kByte to a single file wiki. 
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
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[tw5] Re: Stroll: last call for experimenting

Do you find the Tools tab in the sidebar to be something you use often? If 
not, suggest moving it under "More".

The "eye" tab could be under the gear/settings tab too. Depends on how 
important access to that is in your workflow.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:54:32 PM UTC+2, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Bump.
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I just updated https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html, 
>> incorporating most of your changes. 
>>
>> *List of changes:*
>>
>> List of changes accessible on the welcome page.
>>
>> *Problem:*
>>
>> I have Stroll set up to exclude system tiddlers from the list of 
>> references at the bottom of tiddlers (for example see the [!is[system]] in 
>> the list filter of 
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html#%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2FViewTemplate%2Frefslinks).
>>  
>>
>>
>> But when I create a link to a non-system tiddler within a system tiddler, 
>> the system tiddler shows up in the list of references at the bottom of the 
>> non-systerm tiddler. Could someone look at my code and help me spot why 
>> that is happening?
>>
>> *Recommendations I did not do for this revision*
>>
>>- Ilya - Make it a plugin (will get someone to help me with this 
>>after any more recommended changes are in place)
>>- TonyM - option to disable it from going back to one story when only 
>>one tiddler is open (Saq may wish to consider this for his plugin. That 
>> is 
>>not something I can do)
>>- TonyM - Explain saving options better (I think this needs to happen 
>>in tiddlywiki.com)
>>- Edgaras - Back and forth arrows to navigate to previously visited 
>>tiddlers (Not sure how to do this, but also not keen on doing it for 
>>Stroll. There might be a plugin for it here that you could add to Stroll: 
>>https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=daq3QPYxpdVcebRQi2N6gc8A
>>
>>
>> *Thank you*
>>
>> A HUGE thank you to everyone who made recommendations or spotted 
>> problems. I asked you to be merciless, and you guys came through.
>>
>> If you see anything else that needs fixing, please let me know. The 
>> revised version may now have quirks of its own. 
>>
>> Blessings!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone
>>>
>>> I finally got around to updating Stroll (replacement for my 
>>> TiddlyBlink). I think it is just about ready. Here is the link:
>>>
>>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html
>>>
>>> Play with it until you find its flaws. Be merciless. Make it bleed. Then 
>>> let me know what needs bandaging or amputating. You have one week.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Stroll: last call for experimenting

Bump.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:37:12 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>
> Hi everyone
>
> I just updated https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html, 
> incorporating most of your changes. 
>
> *List of changes:*
>
> List of changes accessible on the welcome page.
>
> *Problem:*
>
> I have Stroll set up to exclude system tiddlers from the list of 
> references at the bottom of tiddlers (for example see the [!is[system]] in 
> the list filter of 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html#%24%3A%2F.giffmex%2FViewTemplate%2Frefslinks).
>  
>
>
> But when I create a link to a non-system tiddler within a system tiddler, 
> the system tiddler shows up in the list of references at the bottom of the 
> non-systerm tiddler. Could someone look at my code and help me spot why 
> that is happening?
>
> *Recommendations I did not do for this revision*
>
>- Ilya - Make it a plugin (will get someone to help me with this after 
>any more recommended changes are in place)
>- TonyM - option to disable it from going back to one story when only 
>one tiddler is open (Saq may wish to consider this for his plugin. That is 
>not something I can do)
>- TonyM - Explain saving options better (I think this needs to happen 
>in tiddlywiki.com)
>- Edgaras - Back and forth arrows to navigate to previously visited 
>tiddlers (Not sure how to do this, but also not keen on doing it for 
>Stroll. There might be a plugin for it here that you could add to Stroll: 
>https://dynalist.io/d/zUP-nIWu2FFoXH-oM7L7d9DM#z=daq3QPYxpdVcebRQi2N6gc8A
>
>
> *Thank you*
>
> A HUGE thank you to everyone who made recommendations or spotted problems. 
> I asked you to be merciless, and you guys came through.
>
> If you see anything else that needs fixing, please let me know. The 
> revised version may now have quirks of its own. 
>
> Blessings!
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-5, David Gifford wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> I finally got around to updating Stroll (replacement for my TiddlyBlink). 
>> I think it is just about ready. Here is the link:
>>
>> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html
>>
>> Play with it until you find its flaws. Be merciless. Make it bleed. Then 
>> let me know what needs bandaging or amputating. You have one week.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@anne-laure @yoni

Why not just import in markdown from Roam? With the markdown plugin 
installed from the plugin library, you can import markdown and it should 
just work.
This seems reasonable since content from Roam is going to be using markdown 
syntax for other things anyway. You can still get things like title 
autocomplete and support for widgets and [[link]] in TiddlyWiki using 
markdown if you need it.

What is to be gained by going the JSON route, Roam -> JSON -> TW ?

Also, it was instructive to compare the markdown and json respresentation 
of a page from Roam. In Markdown, a page is just a bullet list, and not 
separate pages.
Markdown syntax also solves the problem of line breaks in lists.

I can understand that Yoni might want to go via JSON to work in some extra 
tweaking of the text, but is there an advantage for the average user 
wanting to import content to TW from Roam?

Regards,
Saq

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[tw5] Re: Issues scrolling in quine with ghost writer theme

2020-05-05 Thread Colman

I just tried to upgrade the template itself (
https://ibnishak.github.io/ghostwriter/) to 5.1.22 and it removed the 
scrolling feature when moved to dropbox and opened with Quine 2. Hope 
someone could help :)

On Tuesday, 5 May 2020 09:06:41 UTC-4, Colman wrote:
>
> anyone else having issues scrolling on their IOS when using the 
> ghostwriter theme on quine 2? Sidebar moves fine, but not the tiddlers 
> themselves.
>

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

There are a few angles to this topic.

If the aim is to improve the authoring experience you may be interested in
my ongoing EditorMagic project. I think the concept of a balloon popup

editor inspired it. I elaborate on the concept here: Trigger Custom Popus
via Custom Strings .
While this is not quite the same thing as directly editing the wysiwyg
text, it would make for a *much *more efficient editing experience.
Possibly, it may also be adapted so that it *is* possible to use it in
tiddler view mode: If all elements were "targettable" from view mode,
perhaps if they had a div automatically added to them, then maybe this
would be possible.

>From some fiddling with WordPress years ago I recall -- possibly only in
some themes -- a system with *three *"views": One showing the finished
static look (what we call "view mode"), one showing the underlying code
(perhaps what is the html code) and one "in between layer" that was a kind
of a...hmm... "mixed view", for example a table that in the finished look
would have no visible borders did have borders here for easy selection (e.g
to set visibility), bold text really was bold (like in finished look),
hovering an image showed it's resize-handles etc. A
high-but-still-modifiable UI level.

I can see several improvements along the way. For example, for defining a
macro we "shouldn't" have to type "\define ... \end". It "should" be one
tiddler per macro. Setting the tiddler "sort" (type?) as macro
automatically adds the $:/tags/Macro (ideally hidden) and the title of the
tiddler is the macro title. There's also automatically a field for the
parameter list.

In fact, I think we are sometimes too exposed to Tiddler Philosophy. This
stands in the way when composing larger texts. I would like for "compound
tiddlers" where editing a tiddler really enables access to multiple
tiddlers. I made this long ago but, like much else, I don't think I ever
published it:

http://supertiddlers.tiddlyspot.com/#About%20SuperTiddlers

That site actually has several features but for our discussion, only the
"SuperTiddlers" concept is relevant. Be sure to read the About tab and try
out the Demos - especially the over-the-top Styles demo - and hover over
the text(s) in it. As I outline in the About tab, the point is that
tiddlers miss context for longer narratives but with a UI change we could
easily solve this. Note that tiddlers do *not *need to use multiple
sections like that and everything is still just tiddlers.

The relevance to Edgaras OP here is that a "SuperTiddler" let's you edit a
small portion at a time of what is seen.

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

2020-05-05 Thread PMario

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:35:34 AM UTC+2, Edgaras wrote:

> In the broader tread Redesign of TW 
> , the 
> editor/view is discovered to be the number one focus area to address to 
> simplify the writing experience in TW.
>

Hi,
Is there a "latest version" of your design studies, that you linked to 
,
 
in the other thread? Or is this the latest version?

-m

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Re: [tw5] Re: [plugin] Project-Manager & Notebook theme updates

Solved by setting 

.pm-todo { overflow: visible; }

nothing else was apparently affected

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 11:00:10 AM UTC+3, Nicolas Petton wrote:
>
> Tony K > writes: 
>
> > Salut Nick 
>
> Hi Tony, 
>
> > I love what you have done, however i have a small prob in the visual the 
> > circle is a bit cut 
> > 
> > any easy way to fix it? 
>
> Hmm, I'm not sure. It probably has to do with the font size or 
> line-height that you use on your wiki. Can you provide me with an empty 
> wiki that has this theme? 
>
> Nico 
>

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[tw5] Issues scrolling in quine with ghost writer theme

2020-05-05 Thread Colman

anyone else having issues scrolling on their IOS when using the ghostwriter 
theme on quine 2? Sidebar moves fine, but not the tiddlers themselves.

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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

Peter,

You do not get the point. You may not have needed the tiddlers, I did to 
know what was going on.
I am very bad at guessing, you see.


Birthe

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

2020-05-05 Thread PMario

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 10:35:34 AM UTC+2, Edgaras wrote:
...

> So I am wondering, are there any existing plugins/efforts or discussions 
> to try to make TiddlyWiki editor more like RoamResearch or Dynalist, where 
> you can can focus on writing/producing content in the same mode as you view 
> it?
>

Hi, 
I think there are a lot discussions in this group, but there isn't an up to 
date plugin, that is close, to what you want. 

In the end the editor, has to create wikitext, even if it is displayed as 
rendered text. We need wikitext, be stored in a tiddler. Everything else 
doesn't make much sense. 

There is a project named: ProseMirror, which is from the same author, that 
created CodeMirror. We already have a CodeMirror editor plugin, that allows 
us to completely change the internal editor behavior.

With ProseMirror, it would be possible to create what you want. There is an 
example link, which shows an edit-element, that can switch between "prose 
text" and Markdown. https://prosemirror.net/examples/markdown/

It should be possible to use a "full-screen" edit view, to create a 
Zen-like writing experience.

If we put enough work into it, it is possible to create TW wikitext as the 
"backend text", which would allow us to add functionality, that we consider 
for granted. eg: lists, widgets and transclusions. 

The library used will add about 300kByte to a single file wiki. 

have fun!
mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

Birthe,

1. Regarding David's New-note-here button: I implemented it, many thanks for 
that.

2. Regarding the tiddlers on my Tiddlyspot: I stated in my original post in 
this thread, as well as in my answers to Mat, that my issue was NOT the popup 
tooltip window, but the absence of the backlinks when using David's code for 
that. The popup tooltip window was working fine in my local file. I did mention 
that the popups did not work on Tiddlyspot, but that was a BTW-type of info, 
not the issue I posted for.

Your suggestion 
[[Tiddler 2]]<$transclude 
tiddler="Tiddler 2" mode="block"/>

solved that issue very well, for which I am grateful. There really was no need 
to "drag a lot of tiddlers to Peters tiddlyspot to test it" because the 
solution you offered had no effect on the popup window anyway, so there was no 
need to get the popup window to work on Tiddlyspot for that.

Your suggestion to put a link in David's YYY position was good to re-establish 
the backlinks. Like I said above, I thought that position was only for text, 
not for links. In fact, if one wants/needs to have also text in the YYY 
position one needs to use the following syntax:

[[bla text|target tiddler title]]<$transclude tiddler="target tiddler title" 
mode="block"/>

Like I said, I learned something new thanks to your help for which I am 
grateful.

5 May 2020, 13:54 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:

> Peter,
>
> It is David's button. Find it > here 
> >
>   . I just edited it.
>
> tag: > $:/tags/ViewToolbar
>
> \> define button> ()
> <> $button > class> =<<> tv> -> config> -> toolbar> -> class> >>>  actions> 
> =<<> actions> >>> tooltip> => "New tiddler linked to this one"> >
> {{> $> :> /core/> images> /> new> -> button> }}
> <> /$button>
> \end
>
> \define actions()
> <$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
> text="""[[$(tid)$]]<$transclude 
> tiddler="$(tid)$" mode="block"/> > div> > div> >> """/>
> \end
>
> <$wikify name=tid text=<>>
> <>
> 
> <$list filter="> [<> tv> -> config> -> toolbar> -> text> >> match> [> yes> 
> ]]> ">
> 
> <$text text="> New>  tiddler linked to > this>  one> "}}/>
> caption field: 
> {{> $> :> /core/> images> /> new> -> button> }}>  > New>  tiddler linked to > 
> this>  one
>
> description field:
> {{> $> :> /language/> Buttons> /> NewJournalHere> /> Hint> }}{{> $> :> 
> /language/> Buttons> /> NewHere> /> Hint> }}
>
>
> tirsdag den 5. maj 2020 kl. 12.19.10 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
>> Birthe, that's an interesting one. Can you point me to it?
>>
>>
>> 5 May 2020, 12:35 by >> strikk...@gmail.com <>>> :
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> If you used Davids New-note-here button, you could edit it to do it 
>>> automatically, when you create your tiddler.
>>>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Does that TW is a Quine matter? YES.

2020-05-05 Thread Ste Wilson

http://twederation.tiddlyspot.com/

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Re: [tw5] Anchored text and pop ups

2020-05-05 Thread Marc Ferguson

With all of this discussion on pop up references I wish there could be some 
consideration for anchoring are block of text that can then be trancluded into 
other tiddlers as part of or as pop ups etc. it would sure make it easier 
rather than having to manage hundreds of tiny tiddlers 

Sent from my iPad

> On May 4, 2020, at 10:24 PM, 'Peter Buyze' via TiddlyWiki 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks David.
> I sniffed at Idea Stew a while ago and at 1st sight liked it. Since I also 
> take notes when reading a book I'll take a more in-depth look at it, when I 
> have a better handle on TB which I prefer to Stroll, at this stage anyway.
> 
> BTW I have started incorporating your popup tooltip code for all internal 
> references without underlines in my TB - great stuff. One small hitch I 
> bumped into was the backlinks, but Birthe helped me to solve it - 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/tiddlywiki/MyHhAp7ag6I/KOftL0BoAQAJ 
> 
> Thanks for some very beautiful work that makes TW even more attractive.
> 
> 
> 
> 5 May 2020, 01:10 by dgiff...@crcna.org:
> Hi Peter
> 
> I was looking all over for this post in other threads. I finally found it 
> buried here.
> 
> Yes, I created a lot of confusion, didn't I? Here are descriptions that will 
> hopefully distinguish the terms:
> 
> 1. TiddlyBlink: my original Roam imitator TiddlyWiki, created I think in 
> January or early February. https://giffmex.org/gifts/tiddlyblink.html
> 
> 2. Idea Stew: a very slight adaptation of TiddlyBlink I created for me, 
> specifically for taking notes on reading. I get the impression not many 
> people are warming up to Idea Stew. So I haven't emphasized it. But I love it 
> and use it constantly. https://giffmex.org/gifts/ideastew.html
> 
> 3. Stroll: my latest experiment, almost ready, that will in effect replace 
> TiddlyBlink. Much more like Roam than TiddlyBlink is, and with a tight 
> tutorial to get new people on board. Currently at 
> https://giffmex.org/experiments/stroll.experiment.html but will soon move to 
> https://giffmex.org/stroll/stroll.html
> 
> For good measure:
> 
> 4. RoamWiki: Joe Kroese mashed TiddlyBlink and TiddlyMap together. Nice. 
> https://joekroese.github.io/tiddlyroam/
> 
> 5. Drift: Tony K created a bi-directional links adaptation similar to 
> TiddlyBlink but that also lists tags and keywords in the references section 
> of tiddlers. Also nice. https://akhater.github.io/drift/
> 
> I hope this is helpful!
> 
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:00:17 AM UTC-5, Peter Buyze wrote:
> David,
> 
> how does Idea Stew fit into all this?
> I understand TiddlyBlink is a completed project, nothing new will be added 
> but it will continue to exist. It is in effect superseded by Stroll. Will 
> Idea Stew continue to exist in parallel with the other 2? Is it also 
> considered a completed project?
> 
> 
> 
> 3 May 2020, 17:40 by dgif...@crcna.org:
> I looked into Notion and quickly saw that it would become just that, busy 
> work.
> 
> I also echo everyone else's sentiments that TiddlyWiki has the same effect on 
> me. Endless tweaking. 
> 
> I find for writing / producing, an outliner like Dynalist or Roam is best. 
> 
> For taking notes on reading, I am using my Idea Stew (a version of 
> TiddlyBlink) and finding it to be the best system for me. No more tweaking 
> needed.
> 
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 8:05:47 AM UTC-5, Diego Mesa wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I came across this article on HN today and found the comments to be an 
> interesting look into a "competitor". As people are explaining their gripes 
> with Notion, this could represent a big opportunity for TW! 
> 
> Article: 
> https://medium.com/diesdas-direct/notion-encourages-busy-work-and-im-tired-of-it-b1e049edb663
> 
> HN comments:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23050204
> 
> Diego
> 
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?


>
> how do transclusions work in Roam
>

You see the UID in the JSON file that each child item has. So in roam if 
you type that uid surrounded by double round brackets like this

((CH8ti2MnS))

Then Roam will transclude the contents of the item (The users doesn't 
actually know the UID but when you drag an item while holding a certain key 
combo then the effect is that the UID gets created with double brackets as 
shown above).. 

In the JSON file I presume you will simply see the UID surrounded by round 
brackets so will be difficult for you to implement the transclusion 
especially if the user does not import the whole DB.. I cant speak for all 
users, but I would not expect you transclusion to work in the import. I 
suppose in an ideal world you could make it work somehow when the UID is 
found, but just display the raw UID in brackets when the UID is not 
found... 


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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?


>
> Roam users: do you need to know when each bullet was added or edited? Can 
> you imagine a situation where you might? Does Roam even let you see this 
> information?


Nope, I don't care when a bullet point was added or edited.

I think my proposal of top level item not being bullet points, but 
> subsequent items being bullet points is best of both worlds.


I think it feels more natural to just import it exactly as it looks in 
Roam, especially as your proposal assumes people mainly write essays in 
Roam, when really my bullet points are often actual bullet points, and I 
would be annoyed to have to add them back. But I'm so excited to have a 
solution at all that I'm not fussed if we drop the top-level bullet points 
even if I find that arbitrary.

Whatever you decide - this is exciting!


On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:34:50 PM UTC+1, Yoni Balkind wrote:
>
> For this one I disagree with Yoni. It should be bullet points in 
>> TiddlyWiki as well, to stay as close as the Roam experience. 
>>
>
> I think my proposal of top level item not being bullet points, but 
> subsequent items being bullet points is best of both worlds. It respects 
> the nesting levels but allows user to import a flat "essay" if they had no 
> nesting.. But Anne-Laure's approach (which is what @Riz did in his 
> prototype) is understandable and workable
>
> ...in the spirit of staying as close as possible to Roam, to not even 
>> consider the question of tags. Whether #Title or [[Title]] these should all 
>> be converted to [[Title]] in TiddlyWiki.
>>
>
> Agreed. But with some additional thoughts about how to use tags as 
> reflected in my earlier post (the one beginning "Okay, this is looking 
> promising..") 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

One caveat with the current approach is line breaks in bullet points. The 
current quick hack replaces line breaks with , which is ugly to say it 
midkly. Any thoughts on alternatives here are welcome.

The issue with paragraphs in TW is also that the automatic paragraph 
handling is odd and a little inconsistent, and paragraphs can't contain 
lists so there will be a not so insignificant gap between them.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:19:56 PM UTC+2, Anne-Laure Le Cunff wrote:
>
> Oh, this is exciting! Thanks so much for looking into it, Saq.
>
> I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in 
>> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels 
>> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5 
>> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent 
>> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the 
>> bullet points. 
>
>
> I agree with this. I think one page in Roam = one Tiddler in TiddlyWiki.
>
> The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points, 
>> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then 
>> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis... 
>
>
> For this one I disagree with Yoni. It should be bullet points in 
> TiddlyWiki as well, to stay as close as the Roam experience. It will feel 
> more intuitive. Very easy in TiddlyWiki to remove bullet points by 
> selecting all and removing the list styling.
>
> The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags, 
>> I think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we 
>> really be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume 
>> that the links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper 
>> representation for this?
>
>
> Here I think, again in the spirit of staying as close as possible to Roam, 
> to not even consider the question of tags. Whether #Title or [[Title]] 
> these should all be converted to [[Title]] in TiddlyWiki. It may seem 
> extreme but I think that's the cleanest way to respect the original 
> structure from Roam and to keep things simple.
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:00:22 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>> @Riz: the number of nested children seems unlimited. In Roam the smallest 
>> semantic unit seems to be a bullet point, which is member of the childrens 
>> array in the JSON.
>>
>> I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in 
>> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels 
>> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5 
>> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent 
>> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the 
>> bullet points. 
>>
>> The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points, 
>> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then 
>> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis... 
>>
>> The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags, 
>> I think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we 
>> really be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume 
>> that the links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper 
>> representation for this?
>>
>> @yoni I understand your use case and requirements. My approach is to 
>> start off step wise and try to put something together that would be useful 
>> to others wanting to import from Roam as well. That may mean that there 
>> wont be one "plugin" that does what you need, but rather a sequence of 
>> steps/plugins working together. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:35:43 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate 
>>> tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic 
>>> unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point? 
>>>
>>> JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So 
>>> if the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a 
>>> generalized importer much easier.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:
>>>
 Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq

 The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a 
 page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more 
 like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a 
 paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted 
 lists). 

 I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own 
 use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in 
 case 
 you think its a broad enough problem..

 Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag.. 
 So for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note

[tw5] Re: Tutorial: How to use TiddlyWiki as a static website generator

Yes, you can either create a site.sh file with your own commands and type 
'./site.sh' (which is what I did) or edit the tiddlywiki.info file so it 
does what you want when you type 'tiddlywiki --build static' - I don't 
think one is more work than the other.

This  
is a good resource for customising the output if you didn't find it before.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 6:50:40 PM UTC+1, Florian Cauvin wrote:
>
> > I guess the tutorial is about generating a website, 
> > not customising it, which would be a separate tutorial :)
>
> Fair enough. Although, generating a static site could actually be 
> summarized in just three words: 'tiddlywiki --build static'
>
> Customizing that process so that it splits the markup you wish, well, I 
> gonna wait for (or I'm gonna write) a tutorial for that. Markup currently 
> being generated is full of invisible buttons, etc.
>
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[tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

David,

Exactly!
Putting wiki on tiddlyspot for questioning we need the necessary tiddlers 
to test.
I had to drag a lot of tiddlers to Peters tiddlyspot to test it.

Peter,
You referring to have it working in a local file does not help anyone 
trying to test, what could be the reason for your problems.

Birthe

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?


>
> For this one I disagree with Yoni. It should be bullet points in 
> TiddlyWiki as well, to stay as close as the Roam experience. 
>

I think my proposal of top level item not being bullet points, but 
subsequent items being bullet points is best of both worlds. It respects 
the nesting levels but allows user to import a flat "essay" if they had no 
nesting.. But Anne-Laure's approach (which is what @Riz did in his 
prototype) is understandable and workable

...in the spirit of staying as close as possible to Roam, to not even 
> consider the question of tags. Whether #Title or [[Title]] these should all 
> be converted to [[Title]] in TiddlyWiki.
>

Agreed. But with some additional thoughts about how to use tags as 
reflected in my earlier post (the one beginning "Okay, this is looking 
promising..") 

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyWiki editor - view and edit as one mode

I would also love to be able to edit/view at the same time. Following this 
conversation!

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 9:35:34 AM UTC+1, Edgaras wrote:
>
> Hello tiddlers,
>
> In the broader tread Redesign of TW 
> , the 
> editor/view is discovered to be the number one focus area to address to 
> simplify the writing experience in TW.
>
> But as *Jeremy *mentioned, it's not an easy thing to change:
>
>> The difference between editing and view mode is hard to hide away. In 
>> TiddlyWiki we have very dynamic markup (like transclusions) where there has 
>> to be a way to switch between editing/viewing the markup and its results.
>
>  
>
>>  I think there’s a lot we could do to improve the editing experience, but 
>> I don’t think there’s a whole lot of low hanging fruit without significant 
>> development within the core.
>
>
> Yet, many of us agree, RoamResearch and Dynalist has a better writing, 
> content production experience. In Roam you write directly as you view and 
> every paragraph is a "tiddler", a modular piece of content that you can 
> reuse, link to (transclusion?)
>
> So I am wondering, are there any existing plugins/efforts or discussions 
> to try to make TiddlyWiki editor more like RoamResearch or Dynalist, where 
> you can can focus on writing/producing content in the same mode as you view 
> it?
>
> Please link me if there is already a particular discussion on this matter. 
> Thanks!
>
> P.S. I already started a very simple .js script 
>  that will create or delete a 
> paragraph  when you tap enter or backspace. Of course, that's is almost 
> nothing to what would need to be done to map all scripts into modular 
> tiddlers/paragraphs. 
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@Riz As far as I can tell the only metadata associated with the children is 
the created and modified dates. I can't really speak for how useful that 
information is and whether its worth the trade off for creating multiple 
tiddlers per page.

Roam users: do you need to know when each bullet was added or edited? Can 
you imagine a situation where you might? Does Roam even let you see this 
information?

Also, how do transclusions work in Roam? I have heard it mentioned but 
can't see any syntax mentioned for how to transclude content from one page 
to another in Roam. 
Doesn't dragging and dropping just copy or move the bullet point?

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 1:08:14 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> @Saq. My thought was - if we turn children to just paragraphs, won't we 
> lose all the metadata associated with it?
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 16:30 Saq Imtiaz, > 
> wrote:
>
>> @Riz: the number of nested children seems unlimited. In Roam the smallest 
>> semantic unit seems to be a bullet point, which is member of the childrens 
>> array in the JSON.
>>
>> I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in 
>> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels 
>> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5 
>> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent 
>> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the 
>> bullet points. 
>>
>> The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points, 
>> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then 
>> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis... 
>>
>> The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags, 
>> I think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we 
>> really be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume 
>> that the links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper 
>> representation for this?
>>
>> @yoni I understand your use case and requirements. My approach is to 
>> start off step wise and try to put something together that would be useful 
>> to others wanting to import from Roam as well. That may mean that there 
>> wont be one "plugin" that does what you need, but rather a sequence of 
>> steps/plugins working together. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:35:43 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>>
>>> I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate 
>>> tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic 
>>> unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point? 
>>>
>>> JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So 
>>> if the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a 
>>> generalized importer much easier.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:
>>>
 Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq

 The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a 
 page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more 
 like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a 
 paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted 
 lists). 

 I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own 
 use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in 
 case 
 you think its a broad enough problem..

 Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag.. 
 So for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 
 different 
 internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as 
 tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as 
 "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish". 

 The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to 
 cross reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all 
 of these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are 
 "tags" for my purposes. 

 Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They 
 are internal references that aren't needed in TW. I suppose IF you were to 
 tackle this in your plugin, you could have a setting to ignore hashtag 
 items. Or perhaps you could stipulate that should a user want to have 
 certain lines ignored they should precede that line of text with "meta:" 
 or 
 something to that effect.. 

 [image: Annotation 2020-05-05 095517.png]

 Final point, and again this might be my personal problem and not 
 applicable to your plugin, but my JSON file has 1000 plus pages and I need 
 a way to only import those pages that have certain tags (#ready for 
 publish).. There is a probably some tool somewhere that would allow me to 
 do this directly to the JSON file, but perhaps its something you want

Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@Saq see attached (with accompanying screenshot below from Roam interface)

[image: Annotation 2020-05-05 131636.png]

The meta data attached to each "child" is invisible on the Roam front end,
and I dont think users would expect this to survive the import.

As you can see from the above screenshot, the whole pages consists of
bullet points. @Saq, you replicated this in your plugin which is a
perfectly reasonable approach.

But I think that the reason for bullet points in Roam is because each
"block" is drag-able and can be referenced and behaves like a semantic
unit. Since TW does not have this same granularity, I dont think it is
required to display everything as bullet points. However, the nesting
should be persevered in my opinion. To me personally the most logical
behaviour is that the top-level child items are not bullet points, but
their children are bullet points so that you can maintain the nesting in a
way that matches the nesting in Roam.. So for my attached note, the first 3
children will not be bullet points, but the 4th child (beginning "Social
Media..") should be a bullet point, and the next block a sub-bullet point.

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Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

Hi Peter

Sorry I overlooked this question yesterday, I was quite busy with Stroll, 
and also taking my son to his doctors visit. 

The reason you are not getting popus is simple. You do not have in your 
file the tiddlers I said you would need.

$:/.giffmex/.Stylesheet4popups 

 
$:/.giffmex/EditorToolbar/linkpopups 

 
$:/.giffmex/EditorToolbar/unlinkedpopups 

 
 
They can be found in at the top of the system tab in 
https://giffmex.org/gifts/transclusioninpopups.html

Blessings.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 11:04:34 AM UTC-5, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> @David Gifford:
>
> Dave, many thanks for this very nice plug-in, which I installed, and then 
> started to change my TW's internal links with the HTML code
>
> YYY<$transclude 
> tiddler="ZZZ" mode="block"/>
>
> I stopped after doing a couple of tiddlers, however, because I noticed 
> that the backlinks are not shown anymore.
>
> I have put 3 test tiddlers here: http://peterspottiddly.tiddlyspot.com/
>
> In Tiddler 1 I put the transclude code referring to Tid 2. On Tid 2 there 
> is no backlink to Tid 1.
> In Tid 3 I also put the same transclude code referring to Tid 2, PLUS a 
> conventional [[Tiddler 2]] link. It is the conventional link that is shown 
> in Tid 2 as a backlink. If you delete that conventional link in Tid 3, 
> you'll see Tid 2 no longer has a backlink to 3 shown.
>
> *Conclusion*
> The transclude code for tooltips works fine (not on Tiddlyspot BTW), but 
> it means no backlinks. If I want to keep the backlinks too I will have to 
> also put, e.g. at the bottom of the tid, a conventional link to the 
> referring tid (as per Tid 3).
>
> Is what I am saying right or is there another way to preserve backlinks 
> while also making use of the tooltips?
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

Oh, this is exciting! Thanks so much for looking into it, Saq.

I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in 
> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels 
> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5 
> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent 
> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the 
> bullet points. 


I agree with this. I think one page in Roam = one Tiddler in TiddlyWiki.

The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points, 
> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then 
> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis... 


For this one I disagree with Yoni. It should be bullet points in TiddlyWiki 
as well, to stay as close as the Roam experience. It will feel more 
intuitive. Very easy in TiddlyWiki to remove bullet points by selecting all 
and removing the list styling.

The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags, I 
> think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we really 
> be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume that the 
> links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper representation for 
> this?


Here I think, again in the spirit of staying as close as possible to Roam, 
to not even consider the question of tags. Whether #Title or [[Title]] 
these should all be converted to [[Title]] in TiddlyWiki. It may seem 
extreme but I think that's the cleanest way to respect the original 
structure from Roam and to keep things simple.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:00:22 PM UTC+1, Saq Imtiaz wrote:
>
> @Riz: the number of nested children seems unlimited. In Roam the smallest 
> semantic unit seems to be a bullet point, which is member of the childrens 
> array in the JSON.
>
> I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in 
> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels 
> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5 
> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent 
> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the 
> bullet points. 
>
> The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points, 
> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then 
> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis... 
>
> The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags, 
> I think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we 
> really be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume 
> that the links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper 
> representation for this?
>
> @yoni I understand your use case and requirements. My approach is to start 
> off step wise and try to put something together that would be useful to 
> others wanting to import from Roam as well. That may mean that there wont 
> be one "plugin" that does what you need, but rather a sequence of 
> steps/plugins working together. 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:35:43 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>> I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate 
>> tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic 
>> unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point? 
>>
>> JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So if 
>> the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a 
>> generalized importer much easier.
>>
>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq
>>>
>>> The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a 
>>> page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more 
>>> like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a 
>>> paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted lists). 
>>>
>>> I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own 
>>> use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in case 
>>> you think its a broad enough problem..
>>>
>>> Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag.. 
>>> So for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 different 
>>> internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as 
>>> tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as 
>>> "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish". 
>>>
>>> The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to 
>>> cross reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all 
>>> of these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are 
>>> "tags" for my purposes. 
>>>
>>> Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They are 
>>> internal references that aren't

Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@Saq. My thought was - if we turn children to just paragraphs, won't we
lose all the metadata associated with it?

On Tue, 5 May 2020, 16:30 Saq Imtiaz,  wrote:

> @Riz: the number of nested children seems unlimited. In Roam the smallest
> semantic unit seems to be a bullet point, which is member of the childrens
> array in the JSON.
>
> I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in
> terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels
> semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5
> pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent
> tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the
> bullet points.
>
> The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points,
> paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then
> I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis...
>
> The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags,
> I think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we
> really be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume
> that the links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper
> representation for this?
>
> @yoni I understand your use case and requirements. My approach is to start
> off step wise and try to put something together that would be useful to
> others wanting to import from Roam as well. That may mean that there wont
> be one "plugin" that does what you need, but rather a sequence of
> steps/plugins working together.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:35:43 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>>
>> I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate
>> tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic
>> unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point?
>>
>> JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So if
>> the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a
>> generalized importer much easier.
>>
>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:
>>
>>> Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq
>>>
>>> The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a
>>> page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more
>>> like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a
>>> paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted lists).
>>>
>>> I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own
>>> use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in case
>>> you think its a broad enough problem..
>>>
>>> Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag..
>>> So for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 different
>>> internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as
>>> tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as
>>> "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish".
>>>
>>> The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to
>>> cross reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all
>>> of these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are
>>> "tags" for my purposes.
>>>
>>> Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They are
>>> internal references that aren't needed in TW. I suppose IF you were to
>>> tackle this in your plugin, you could have a setting to ignore hashtag
>>> items. Or perhaps you could stipulate that should a user want to have
>>> certain lines ignored they should precede that line of text with "meta:" or
>>> something to that effect..
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: Annotation 2020-05-05 095517.png]
>>>
>>> Final point, and again this might be my personal problem and not
>>> applicable to your plugin, but my JSON file has 1000 plus pages and I need
>>> a way to only import those pages that have certain tags (#ready for
>>> publish).. There is a probably some tool somewhere that would allow me to
>>> do this directly to the JSON file, but perhaps its something you want to
>>> consider for your plugin.
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@yoni could export and share a few pages that contain both longer 
paragraphs and nested lists? I think Roam lets you export one page at a 
time as well.

Thank you.

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:53:17 PM UTC+2, Yoni Balkind wrote:
>
> The structure is definite in my opinion. A page in Roam should equate to a 
> Tiddly. All the bullets (ie childs) in a Roam page should be grouped as 
> normal text within the Tiddly. Insofar as child elements are nested in 
> Roam, those should just translate to nested lists within the Tiddly. 
>
> @Saq's implementation is fundamentally correct I would say. 
>
> I'm quite confident that vast majority of people importing from Roam would 
> expect it to work this way
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

@Riz: the number of nested children seems unlimited. In Roam the smallest 
semantic unit seems to be a bullet point, which is member of the childrens 
array in the JSON.

I think this is a case of needing to figure out what is most intuitive in 
terms of the end result the user would want, instead of what feels 
semantically the most correct. I suspect Roam users wont really want 5 
pages to turn into 100 tiddlers in TW, even if we did create a parent 
tiddler for each page that transcluded all the tiddlers created from the 
bullet points. 

The tricky thing is, do you turn the children into bullet points, 
paragraphs? You could even make that a global configuration option but then 
I suspect users would want to decide on a per tiddler basis... 

The tag handling is also difficult because Roam doesn't really have tags, I 
think what we are referring to as tags are just links. So should we really 
be trying to create tags from [[link]] or #link? Or do we assume that the 
links/backlinks that will be generated are the proper representation for 
this?

@yoni I understand your use case and requirements. My approach is to start 
off step wise and try to put something together that would be useful to 
others wanting to import from Roam as well. That may mean that there wont 
be one "plugin" that does what you need, but rather a sequence of 
steps/plugins working together. 





On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 12:35:43 PM UTC+2, Riz wrote:
>
> I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate 
> tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic 
> unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point? 
>
> JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So if 
> the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a 
> generalized importer much easier.
>
> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind, > 
> wrote:
>
>> Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq
>>
>> The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a 
>> page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more 
>> like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a 
>> paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted lists). 
>>
>> I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own 
>> use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in case 
>> you think its a broad enough problem..
>>
>> Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag.. 
>> So for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 different 
>> internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as 
>> tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as 
>> "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish". 
>>
>> The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to 
>> cross reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all 
>> of these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are 
>> "tags" for my purposes. 
>>
>> Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They are 
>> internal references that aren't needed in TW. I suppose IF you were to 
>> tackle this in your plugin, you could have a setting to ignore hashtag 
>> items. Or perhaps you could stipulate that should a user want to have 
>> certain lines ignored they should precede that line of text with "meta:" or 
>> something to that effect.. 
>>
>>
>> [image: Annotation 2020-05-05 095517.png]
>>
>> Final point, and again this might be my personal problem and not 
>> applicable to your plugin, but my JSON file has 1000 plus pages and I need 
>> a way to only import those pages that have certain tags (#ready for 
>> publish).. There is a probably some tool somewhere that would allow me to 
>> do this directly to the JSON file, but perhaps its something you want to 
>> consider for your plugin. 
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

Peter,

It is David's button. Find it here 

 
. I just edited it.

tag: $:/tags/ViewToolbar

\define button()
<$button class=<> actions=<>tooltip="New 
tiddler linked to this one">
{{$:/core/images/new-button}}

\end

\define actions()
<$action-sendmessage $message="tm-new-tiddler" title=<> 
text="""[[$(tid)$]]<$transclude tiddler="$(tid)$" mode="block"/>"""/>
\end

<$wikify name=tid text=<>>
<>

<$list filter="[match[yes]]">

<$text text="New tiddler linked to this one"}}/>

caption field: 
{{$:/core/images/new-button}} New tiddler linked to this one

description field:
{{$:/language/Buttons/NewJournalHere/Hint}}{{$:/language/Buttons/NewHere/
Hint}}


tirsdag den 5. maj 2020 kl. 12.19.10 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
> Birthe, that's an interesting one. Can you point me to it?
>
>
> 5 May 2020, 12:35 by strikk...@gmail.com :
>
> Peter,
>
> If you used Davids New-note-here button, you could edit it to do it 
> automatically, when you create your tiddler.
>
>
> Birthe
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

The structure is definite in my opinion. A page in Roam should equate to a 
Tiddly. All the bullets (ie childs) in a Roam page should be grouped as 
normal text within the Tiddly. Insofar as child elements are nested in 
Roam, those should just translate to nested lists within the Tiddly. 

@Saq's implementation is fundamentally correct I would say. 

I'm quite confident that vast majority of people importing from Roam would 
expect it to work this way

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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

TonyK,

I am not running a template. I David Gifford's TiddlyBlink I use his code

[[bla text|targeted tiddler]]<$transclude tiddler="targeted tiddler" 
mode="block"/>

I did not show an interest in Drift, I showed an interest in the TWCrossllinks 
plug-in; the latter does not include a popup tooltip.

5 May 2020, 13:23 by akha...@gmail.com:

> Peter which template are you using?
>
> if you running > Drift >  then it is 
> included in the package
>
> I am asking because, at one point in time, you showed interest in it
>
> On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 7:02:09 AM UTC+3, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
>> Yes, that did the trick. Before starting this thread I did try
>>
>> bla bla<$>> transclude 
>> tiddler=">> [[Tiddler 2]]>> " mode="block"/>
>>
>> and 
>>
>> bla bla<$>> transclude 
>> tiddler=>> [[Tiddler 2]]>>  mode="block"/>
>> i.e. without the quotation marks around the
>>
>> but I did not try your suggestion because I thought the position at the 
>> beginning (where I have bla bla) was only meant for text because the bit at 
>> the end where you suggest is for the tiddler to be linked to.
>>
>> Oh well, I learned something again.
>> Many thanks, Birthe.
>>
>>
>> 4 May 2020, 20:40 by >> strikk...@gmail.com <>>> :
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> For me it works fine on tiddlyspot, if I have the necessary tiddlers. I do 
>>> need to write the link though, no link - no backlink.
>>>
>>> Why do you expect at tooltip and a transclusion to link to anything?
>>>
>>> Try writing:
>>> >>> [[Tiddler 2]]>>> <$>>> 
>>> transclude tiddler="Tiddler 2" mode="block"/>
>>>
>>> Birthe
>>>
>>>
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[tw5] Re: How to display an alert at a predetermined time?

2020-05-05 Thread Hubert

Hi again Thomas,

Thank you very much for taking the time to share your mechanism in such 
detail!

I was able to reproduce your approach, which opens so many new 
possibilities :)

Thank you again, I really appreciate your help with this.

Best regards,
Hubert

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 10:32:45 UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:
>
> Hi Hubert,
>
> Thanks for your kind words and sorry for the delayed response.
>
> I'm not interested in timers or anything processing-heavy. Your solution 
>> that triggers the alert when the user is interacting with TW is perfectly 
>> suitable for me (I assume that the alert is triggered when the refresh 
>> mechanism fires, which again is triggered by user interaction).
>>
> Good to see you have the same preferences as me.
>
> I've had a look at the tiddler $:/plugins/telmiger/reminders/messages 
>> which is where, I believe, most of the logic happens. You've built it 
>> beautifully, but unfortunately it's not immediately obvious to me what 
>> "holds off" the alert from being displayed until, say, the double down 
>> arrow on the task in the Do section is pressed.
>>
> I had to take a look again myself ... this is where the messages are 
> generated according to user settings: either a reminder (don’ forget to 
> ...) or an alert (did you really forget to ...?!) with slightly different 
> styling to convey more or less urgency.
>  
>
>> As you've noted, an alert can be triggered just by interacting with the 
>> TW (as long as the deadline is passed), which must imply that the alert is 
>> not triggered by an action in the button but that some re-evaluation of 
>> conditions must happen on a refresh cycle.
>>
> *This is my magic trick: *$:/plugins/telmiger/reminders/display is tagged 
> $:/tags/TopRightBar 
> and thus injected and always present in the top right bar. You are not 
> able to see it, as it is hidden via CSS, but it is re-evaluated as you say 
> with every refresh cycle. No need to set a tag here :)
>
> After evaluating if alerting is active and setting the necessary 
> variables, it creates a list for all tiddlers that have a deadline-field. 
> The list item  will be empty as long as no message should be shown. 
> When a deadline is near or a task is overdue, the result of the 
> reminderCheck macro will be a reminder or an alert. The message will be 
> visible until either the duedate is changed OR the task gets the tag 
> ToDoNow:
>
> 
> 
> <$list filter="""[hastag!tag[ToDoNow]!sort]""" 
> variable="tiddler">
> <$macrocall $name="reminderCheck" 
> reminder-field=<> tiddler=<> reminderspan=<>/>
> 
> 
>
> The sorting should make sure the list is sorted according to urgency so a 
> user can push the first task into the ToDoNow section and postpone the rest.
>
> So far I see that it's impossible to both have a tiddler tagged 
>> $:/tags/Alert and not see it displayed as an alert immediately upon 
>> creation, because once so tagged, such a tiddler *becomes* an alert and 
>> so it *must *fire.
>>
> Tagging requires pushing a button as far as I am aware, so i did not use 
> that.
>
> I have automated alerts that show on startup (if conditions are met) but 
>> this uses actions such as <$action-createtiddler/> (creating alerts on the 
>> fly) embedded in $reveal widgets that narrow down the conditions for 
>> displaying such alerts. But I can't fire such actions by merely interacting 
>> with the TW itself, so I can't create alerts on demand in this way without 
>> running <$action-createtiddler/> somewhere.
>>
> Ïf this was a question, I hope it is answered now ;–)
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Is there a fairly minimal workflow to import pages from Roam into TiddlyWiki?

I was having the same idea as Mark - treat each child as a separate
tiddler. Because that is how usually things are in TW5 - smallest semantic
unit and all. But I guess each child is a bullet point?

JSON mapping would be much easier if you have a definite structure. So if
the children doesn't have another level of children, it makes writing a
generalized importer much easier.

On Tue, 5 May 2020, 13:49 Yoni Balkind,  wrote:

> Okay so this is looking promising! Thanks @Saq
>
> The import treats each child as a bullet point. This mimicks the way a
> page looks in Roam, but the idea of publishing on TW is that it reads more
> like a normal post, so I propose that you treat each child as just a
> paragraph (however nested children can still be treated as bulleted lists).
>
> I now see an additional problem. This might be too unique to my own
> use-case to warrant you catering for it, but let me tell you anyway in case
> you think its a broad enough problem..
>
> Roam has no "tag" field per se.. Every internal link is a defacto tag.. So
> for example, the screenshot below shows a Roam note that has 4 different
> internal links. For my purposes, the two links in the top line operate as
> tags. I use these tags to help me locate pages that I've tagged as
> "evergreen notes" and "ready for publish".
>
> The 2 links near the bottom of the page are simple internal links to cross
> reference other posts. Roam doesn't know the difference between all of
> these links, I just use them in such a way that the ones on top are "tags"
> for my purposes.
>
> Ideally, I'd want the import to ignore the two tags at the top. They are
> internal references that aren't needed in TW. I suppose IF you were to
> tackle this in your plugin, you could have a setting to ignore hashtag
> items. Or perhaps you could stipulate that should a user want to have
> certain lines ignored they should precede that line of text with "meta:" or
> something to that effect..
>
>
> [image: Annotation 2020-05-05 095517.png]
>
> Final point, and again this might be my personal problem and not
> applicable to your plugin, but my JSON file has 1000 plus pages and I need
> a way to only import those pages that have certain tags (#ready for
> publish).. There is a probably some tool somewhere that would allow me to
> do this directly to the JSON file, but perhaps its something you want to
> consider for your plugin.
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

Peter which template are you using?

if you running Drift  then it is included 
in the package

I am asking because, at one point in time, you showed interest in it

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 7:02:09 AM UTC+3, Peter Buyze wrote:
>
> Yes, that did the trick. Before starting this thread I did try
>
> bla bla<$transclude 
> tiddler="*[[Tiddler 
> 2]]*" mode="block"/>
>
> and 
>
> bla bla<$transclude 
> tiddler=*[[Tiddler 
> 2]]* mode="block"/>
> i.e. without the quotation marks around the
>
> but I did not try your suggestion because I thought the position at the 
> beginning (where I have bla bla) was only meant for text because the bit at 
> the end where you suggest is for the tiddler to be linked to.
>
> Oh well, I learned something again.
> Many thanks, Birthe.
>
>
> 4 May 2020, 20:40 by strikk...@gmail.com :
>
> Peter,
>
> For me it works fine on tiddlyspot, if I have the necessary tiddlers. I do 
> need to write the link though, no link - no backlink.
>
> Why do you expect at tooltip and a transclusion to link to anything?
>
> Try writing:
> *[[Tiddler 2]]*<$transclude 
> tiddler="Tiddler 2" mode="block"/>
>
> Birthe
>
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[tw5] Re: [Plugin] TWCrossLinks

Bumping the thread

Plugin updated to *v0.1.0 * More details in the original post of this thread

enjoy

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 7:31:44 PM UTC+3, Tony K wrote:
>
> Update to *v0.1.0*
>
> version change log:
>   Inbound links for "*Backlinks*" and "*Freelinks*" can now be 
> transcluded in a pop-up, try it by enabling this feature from the 
> TWCrosslinks 
>  
> config 
> panel
>
> full change log *here* 
> 
>
> Demo site https://akhater.github.io/drift
>
> Install it by Drag n Drop from https://akhater.github.io/drift or 
> download it directly from Github 
> 
>
> Cheers
> 
> As promised in my Drift thread 
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/tiddlywiki/QgPYL0JhxcY I packaged 
> the "Cross Links" part of Drift as a separate plugin that you can download 
> and install from 
> https://github.com/akhater/TWCrossLinks
>
> Quick Feature links
>
>- Adds a footer in the bottom of every Tiddler showing the keywords of 
>that tiddler (if present)
>- Adds a footer in the bottom of every Tiddler showing all different 
>types of inbound links to that tiddler (if present) 
>   - Backlinks 
>   - Tags 
>   - Keywords 
>   - Freelinks
>- Footer won't show unless existing
>
> For more info and a working demo please check 
> https://akhater.github.io/drift
>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups

Birthe, that's an interesting one. Can you point me to it?


5 May 2020, 12:35 by strikkeglad...@gmail.com:

> Peter,
>
> If you used Davids New-note-here button, you could edit it to do it 
> automatically, when you create your tiddler.
>
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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

Just bumping the thread since Drift is now updated to v0.0.9. details in 
the first post of this thread

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:37:50 AM UTC+3, Tony K wrote:
>
> Drift is now updated to *v0.0.9*
>
> change log of this version 
>
> v0.0.9 - 2020-05-05
>
>- Updated TWCrosslinks 
> to v.0.1.0
>- Added Lorem  example
>- Added a fix for long Bullet and list items under "Control Panel" -> 
>"Appearance" -> "Drift Tweaks"
>   - Try it here  Check this box if you use long bullet or numbered 
>   lists
>
> Full change log and demo site https://akhater.github.io/drift/
>
> Already running drift ?? grab the Cumulative Update to version v0.0.9 at 
> Github 
> 
> --
> Just wanted to share "Drift" a place to Collect Organize and Grow your 
> ideas
>
>
> It has many features but, most important for me, is the "backlinks" or 
> "bidirectional links" 
>
> Needless to say it is inspired by "TiddlyBlink" / "Stroll" just fitted to 
> my own needs and liking 
>
> A demo and more extensive documentation is available at 
>
>
> https://akhater.github.io/drift/
> Hope it will help someone
>
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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

Hello Brian

I made a Cumulative Update for you, give it a try and let me know how it 
goes...

Details in the first post of this thread

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 6:23:38 PM UTC+3, Brian C wrote:
>
> How do I update the theme?
>
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:44:15 AM UTC-4, Tony K wrote:
>>
>> version 0.0.6 is online and it has a fix for the bullet points 
>>
>> Enjoy
>>
>> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 2:36:50 PM UTC+3, Brian C wrote:
>>>
>>> Tony K,
>>>
>>> I love the. theme, but how can I make the tiddler title font bigger?  
>>> Everything else is great :-).
>>> And also, my Wikitext is not rendering bullet lists?  Is that by design 
>>> of the theme?
>>>
>>>
>>> -Brian C
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 6:37:08 AM UTC-4, Tony K wrote:

 Drift is now update to 0.0.4 this version brings a  "Light Palette" and 
 a toggle switch  

 give it a try https://akhater.github.io/drift/ 

 On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 2:37:50 AM UTC+3, Tony K wrote:
>
> Just wanted to share "Drift" a place to Collect Organize and Grow your 
> ideas
>
>
> It has many features but, most important for me, is the "backlinks" or 
> "bidirectional links" 
>
> Needless to say it is inspired by "TiddlyBlink" / "Stroll" just fitted 
> to my own needs and liking 
>
> A demo and more extensive documentation is available at 
>
>
> https://akhater.github.io/drift/
> Hope it will help someone
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Sharing Drift

Hello Julio

thank you for the kind words and for trying it, an update version is now 
online, details in the first post of this thread

On Tuesday, May 5, 2020 at 3:07:44 AM UTC+3, Julio Peña wrote:
>
> Hello Tony K and all,
>
> VERY nice work you have there Tony.
> I prefer the dark theme myself but both are great!
>
> Thanks for sharing,
> Julio
>
>
> On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 6:37:08 AM UTC-4, Tony K wrote:
>>
>> Drift is now update to 0.0.4 this version brings a  "Light Palette" and a 
>> toggle switch  
>>
>> give it a try https://akhater.github.io/drift/ 
>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Transclusion in popups