Re: [U2] U2UG
Hi Larry You must have looked just after I'd changed it - it was going to .org before (my bad) :( I'm in the middle of rewriting the site so there are still things to iron out.. it may be a bit rocky over the next few weeks! Once it's settled down it will be a better platform for what we want to achieve going forward, especially on the professional development front, but for now please treat with caution grin. Had I world enough and time.. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of lar...@wcs-corp.com Sent: 29 August 2012 19:56 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG The link that I see is bo...@u2ug.net, not .org. The U2UG website is hosted on u2ug.net (and forwarded there from u2ug.org). The u2ug.org domain hosts the mailing list. Larry Hiscock Moderator Whois, is your friend http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.org -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG
What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
Whois, is your friend http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.org -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
The link that I see is bo...@u2ug.net, not .org. The U2UG website is hosted on u2ug.net (and forwarded there from u2ug.org). The u2ug.org domain hosts the mailing list. Larry Hiscock Moderator Whois, is your friend http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.org -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.net Oh Key Ally so that's Chuck Baruch Curious that it expired... two months ago -Original Message- From: larryh lar...@wcs-corp.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG The link that I see is bo...@u2ug.net, not .org. The U2UG website is hosted on u2ug.net (and forwarded there from u2ug.org). The u2ug.org domain hosts the mailing list. Larry Hiscock Moderator Whois, is your friend http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.org -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
You mean two months ago, next year? I see 2013. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.net Oh Key Ally so that's Chuck Baruch Curious that it expired... two months ago -Original Message- From: larryh lar...@wcs-corp.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG The link that I see is bo...@u2ug.net, not .org. The U2UG website is hosted on u2ug.net (and forwarded there from u2ug.org). The u2ug.org domain hosts the mailing list. Larry Hiscock Moderator Whois, is your friend http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.org -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
My eyes are getting old! -Original Message- From: George Gallen ggal...@wyanokegroup.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG You mean two months ago, next year? I see 2013. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:01 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.net Oh Key Ally so that's Chuck Baruch Curious that it expired... two months ago -Original Message- From: larryh lar...@wcs-corp.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:56 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG The link that I see is bo...@u2ug.net, not .org. The U2UG website is hosted on u2ug.net (and forwarded there from u2ug.org). The u2ug.org domain hosts the mailing list. Larry Hiscock Moderator Whois, is your friend http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/u2ug.org -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG
Sounds a bit dysfunctional. The listed email contact doesn't work, no one wants to correct it or post a better one, except privately H did I stumble on the secret bat cave ? My spider sense is all tingling. -Original Message- From: Don u2-us...@southeast-florida.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [U2] SPAM-HIGH: Re: U2UG This was in response to the who-is for U2UG.org, in which, I am the domain name contact. - Don -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 8:08 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] SPAM-HIGH: Re: U2UG Wrong it's not my friend. =) I do not host, develop, nor administer the U2UG website, I merely assist with the domain name upkeep and administration. Please do not contact me directly for website issues. Other than that, I fully support the U2UG organization and its capable volunteers. Regards, Don Verhagen -Original Message- From: Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG John Contact me off-list and I'll see if I can help. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Israel, John R. Sent: 29 August 2012 16:12 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG What is the E-mail address for contacting support at U2UG? I clicked on the only link I could find (bo...@u2ug.org), but that got rejected (which suggests that needs to be reviewed). Thanks John ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Professional Development Program
As part of the Board's deliberations on ensuring that the user group continues to be relevant to the needs of its members, the user group is implementing a professional development program from the 1st of May 2012. Individuals who maintain professional development in other technologies such as Microsoft and IBM are recognised for their efforts. Their professional development in those technologies adds value to their resume and benefits their career development. The user group wants to create the same advantage for U2 Developers, to have the same recognition and benefits for building U2 skills as their peers do in other disciplines. Please read the full announcement and joint letter from David Jordan and Susie Siegesmund on the U2UG Website. http://www.u2ug.net/download/LetterFromU2UGPresident.pdf Regards David Jordan President of the U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Professional Development Program
In relation to your letter's mentioning the use of wikis. Can I just put out there, that there are millions of people who are at least somewhere familiar with editing in MediaWiki (which is the software Wikipedia uses). I would suggest that software as the basis. While other Wiki software might be as good, it introduces a brand-new learning curve and so would discourage participation. -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 5:02 am Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Professional Development Program As part of the Board's deliberations on ensuring that the user group continues to be relevant to the needs of its members, the user group is implementing a professional development program from the 1st of May 2012. Individuals who maintain professional development in other technologies such as Microsoft and IBM are recognised for their efforts. Their professional development in those technologies adds value to their resume and benefits their career development. The user group wants to create the same advantage for U2 Developers, to have the same recognition and benefits for building U2 skills as their peers do in other disciplines. Please read the full announcement and joint letter from David Jordan and Susie Siegesmund on the U2UG Website. http://www.u2ug.net/download/LetterFromU2UGPresident.pdf Regards David Jordan President of the U2UG ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] u2ug
u2ug has been unavailable for at least a day. Is it just me? ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug
No, it is not just you. Maybe maintenance is happening. Dan McGrath-2 wrote: u2ug has been unavailable for at least a day. Is it just me? - Learn and Do Excel and Share http://mvdbs.com http://mvdbs.com -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/u2ug-tp31736911p31737148.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two cents. There is a fundamental choice, if the group wants and expects any support from Rocket then it needs to be a U2 group. If the group wants to embrace a wider audience/membership then it needs to be an MV group and have no greater expectation of support from Rocket than from any other supplier. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote in message news:9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net... Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Oh yeah! Right! But not commonly considered when thinking of second person pronouns. It's more of a person-irrelevant pronoun (it can be used to include ones-self - there it is, again!) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Callacher Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote in message news:9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net... Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
That's not English, it's Texan. On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 11:35 +, Brett Callacher wrote: Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett Robert Houben robert.hou...@fwic.net wrote in message news:9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net... Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Ben Souther Manager, Web and Web Service Development bsout...@fwdco.com | 508.927.8147 FWDavison Company, Inc. 10 Cordage Park Circle, Suite 200 Plymouth, MA 02360-7318 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, and any accompanying documents, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution or copying is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact our office by e-mail or by telephone at (508) 747-7261 and immediately destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 3:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Here's twelve hundred and thirty google pages, to tell you who I am http://www.google.com/search?hl=q=fft2001%40aol.com The focus on money is not pointless. Here's an idea (which costs money), send a postcard to EVERY person on Rocket's tickler file. And when I say every, I do mean every, saying Please join U2UG and we'll send you a free skateboard... or whatever. I got a skateboard from a vendor with whom I *don't even do business*. No business with this vendor, ever. From Rocket I don't even get a phone call. AND I PROMOTE THEM! :)~~~ so there. That will grow the business by not shrinking the business. I just had another encounter, with *yet another* Mv prospect who is completely disconnected from the mv world except through their VAR. What that means is that if the VAR pisses them off, they will be completely disconnected. That means, the executive level will then say, Oh this system is old, nobody uses it, lets get something bright and shiny... and off we go. The board has racked their brains... how about an actual phone call from an actual Rocket salesperson? The last time anyone from universe under Ardent or under IBM or under Rocket has even *called* me was probably back in 2001. The internet makes people foolish, thinking that they can continue to do business, easier now all by email. What happened to the days when salespeople actually visited sites? Anyway to what kind of outreach are you actually referring here? Throwing money at a problem *does* solve the problem, if the problem requires money in order to make it happen. Not everything is free. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 4:53:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: No, this whole thing has got well beyond tedious now, if you haven't got the point yet that Rocket spend money on U2UG rather than give money to it - and that the board want is this way - you never will. I believe George that Laura Hirsch stated that money would help. And I'm sorry, yet again, you *stating* that they spend money on U2UG is not the same at all, in my mind, with someone like Susie detailing exactly what they are spending on U2UG and what it buys or covers. Can you understand this? More words don't move me at all. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:13:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: Members particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase or Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are clears the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. Too long being a member of Wikipedia has numbed me to the weight of position and authority. I suspect everyone of speaking extemporaneously and being off the reservation. I'm not working for Intersystems. I told them I wanted $250,000, a corner office, a view of the ocean, and three months vacation each year, and they hung up on me. Go figure. Dubya The artist formerly known as W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Could we make it a hover-board rather than a skateboard :-) My 16 year old son has just come up with a working design . just very unfortunate that it only works with super conductors cooled to around absolute zero, so better throw in a pair of socks! I've always liked the idea of socks as a gimmick (here is a pair of socks you'll need them after we knock your socks off when you see what we can do), but Rocket Socks work just as well :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 23 March 2011 5:39 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment In a message dated 3/21/2011 3:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Here's twelve hundred and thirty google pages, to tell you who I am http://www.google.com/search?hl=q=fft2001%40aol.com The focus on money is not pointless. Here's an idea (which costs money), send a postcard to EVERY person on Rocket's tickler file. And when I say every, I do mean every, saying Please join U2UG and we'll send you a free skateboard... or whatever. I got a skateboard from a vendor with whom I *don't even do business*. No business with this vendor, ever. From Rocket I don't even get a phone call. AND I PROMOTE THEM! :)~~~ so there. That will grow the business by not shrinking the business. I just had another encounter, with *yet another* Mv prospect who is completely disconnected from the mv world except through their VAR. What that means is that if the VAR pisses them off, they will be completely disconnected. That means, the executive level will then say, Oh this system is old, nobody uses it, lets get something bright and shiny... and off we go. The board has racked their brains... how about an actual phone call from an actual Rocket salesperson? The last time anyone from universe under Ardent or under IBM or under Rocket has even *called* me was probably back in 2001. The internet makes people foolish, thinking that they can continue to do business, easier now all by email. What happened to the days when salespeople actually visited sites? Anyway to what kind of outreach are you actually referring here? Throwing money at a problem *does* solve the problem, if the problem requires money in order to make it happen. Not everything is free. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Got it. I understand now. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:12 PM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: Hi Dawn I was raising an issue of etiquette to put names to emails so that everyone knows who they are dealing with and it is transparent that there are no hidden agendas. Not everyone knows who Will is as he has a meaningless email and he signs off with W. George would not know that Will was on the board of U2UG. I was trying to raise a perspective, that not knowing who you are dealing with raises questions about what are the motives. Members particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase or Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are clears the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
I'm not telling people, I'm telling a company. Rocket wants something out of U2UG but won't give it the financial backing it needs. That's not productive. Can you please scream a lot because everybody loves it :) The problem with that point of view is that you don't know what Rocket wants from U2UG nor do you know what backing they give already. As I have said, and Brian Leach has confirmed, the board has no problem with the support we get from Rocket. Continuing to maintain that Rocket wants something but is unwilling to provide any money is just factually incorrect. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
I don't see why memberships must be free in the first place. Every user group i have been involved in required dues to be paid in order to fund meeting places. Why does any company need to fund anything that is strictly user oriented? You are receiving a user group service, which is free currently. When I attempted to start the MV dev society it was based on a member funded association who's purpose was education and promotion of technology. I got a decent amount of supportive feedback from many DB vendors and VARs. I think that a proper MVUG would work if there is enough of a push to get the word out. Be sure the focus is not just another mailing list or you're wasting everyone's time. There has to be value there to gain interest and a basic mailing list is not enough to collect dues. Glen.mobile RewriteRule ^(garbage|junk)$ /$1 [NC,L] On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:54 PM, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. I'm not telling people, I'm telling a company. Rocket wants something out of U2UG but won't give it the financial backing it needs. That's not productive. Can you please scream a lot because everybody loves it :) W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
The user group is for the users. If any user has an idea that we can put into a business plan then we can put it to Rocket and Rocket will respond on the merits of the plan. What is difficult at the moment is what we can do. Rocket advertises the user group in its emails, at the U2 University. Susie regularly advertises the user group in her presentations around the world. Every U2U bag has a U2UG advert paid for by Rocket. The issue of membership is about relevance to users. For a user who is using a ERP solution, they are more interested in belonging to the ERP solution user group than the U2 User group. So who is our audience, ISVs, consultants, programmers, etc. Both George in the UK and Brian in Australasia advertise the user group to their ISVs. However the ISVs rarely advertise to their customer base. We all wish we could get the message out there more, but what we need is ideas more than money. David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
The issue with a paid group is, as you say, the need to give value for the subscription which needs a serious investment of time from someone to generate that value. At present we all struggle to give more than an hour or two to the group, I don't see where the time is going to come from for anyone to do that. George Land APT Solutions Ltd Sent from my iPhone On 21 Mar 2011, at 06:21, Glen Batchelor batch...@bellsouth.net wrote: I don't see why memberships must be free in the first place. Every user group i have been involved in required dues to be paid in order to fund meeting places. Why does any company need to fund anything that is strictly user oriented? You are receiving a user group service, which is free currently. When I attempted to start the MV dev society it was based on a member funded association who's purpose was education and promotion of technology. I got a decent amount of supportive feedback from many DB vendors and VARs. I think that a proper MVUG would work if there is enough of a push to get the word out. Be sure the focus is not just another mailing list or you're wasting everyone's time. There has to be value there to gain interest and a basic mailing list is not enough to collect dues. Glen.mobile RewriteRule ^(garbage|junk)$ /$1 [NC,L] On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:54 PM, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. I'm not telling people, I'm telling a company. Rocket wants something out of U2UG but won't give it the financial backing it needs. That's not productive. Can you please scream a lot because everybody loves it :) W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 3/21/2011 3:22 AM, David Jordan wrote: The user group is for the users. If any user has an idea that we can put into a business plan then we can put it to Rocket and Rocket will respond on the merits of the plan. What is difficult at the moment is what we can do. Rocket advertises the user group in its emails, at the U2 University. Susie regularly advertises the user group in her presentations around the world. Every U2U bag has a U2UG advert paid for by Rocket. The issue of membership is about relevance to users. For a user who is using a ERP solution, they are more interested in belonging to the ERP solution user group than the U2 User group. So who is our audience, ISVs, consultants, programmers, etc. Both George in the UK and Brian in Australasia advertise the user group to their ISVs. However the ISVs rarely advertise to their customer base. David, The ERP point is true from the perspective of a software marketing agent. I disagree from a developer perspective and point out that loads of Windows developers pay for MSDN memberships regardless of their target customer base. Why? Education and technology news. You also get better developer support and lots of demonstration code. What's the difference here? Well, for one, better developer support is viewed as available on here or on CDP, but only for those who know the group(s) exist(s). Secondly, it's historical fact that the MV community is one of the last developer bases to recognize and adopt mainstream technologies. That's another thread, though. Regards, GlenB We all wish we could get the message out there more, but what we need is ideas more than money. David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Hey group: I have mixed thoughts on this whole thread. Personally, and as the new U2UG president, I am so excited about helping move U2UG forward, but at the same time, am challenged by some of the thoughts expressed herein. I've served on the U2UG board since it's inception, and since the beginning have had the privilege of working with many U2UG members who chose to serve as board members including Dawn Wolthuis, Brian Leach, Clif Oliver, Results (Charles Barouch), Wol (Anthony Youngman), FFT (Will Johnson - Fast Forward Technologies), Dana Baron, Kevin King, Susan Joslyn, Ross Morrissy, Baker Hughes, Glen Sallis, Kevin Zollinger... to name just a few! A remarkable group of folks from all over the world - volunteers - to help form and solidify our community. Moving forward, I congratulate David Jordan (Australia), and Jay LaBonte (US East coast), on their new positions with the 2011 board, and thank *everyone* who has served as a board member in the past. In addition, there are so many others helping our group regularly who *aren't* board members - hosting the web site, managing the mailing lists, paying for registration of our web sites, etc... I *know* we *all* share one thing - passion of all things U2 (or whatever flavor). * Do we need help? YES! * Do we have challenges? YES! * Can we move projects forward? YES! * If we had money, could we spend it to help the group? YES! * Do we need you to help? YES! After all, this is *your* user group. A closing message for members of the group to ponder... Success can not be achieved by looking inward at each other, but instead, by looking outward together in the same direction. Please feel free to email me directly (laura at lhirsh dot org) with any ideas, thoughts, suggestions. I thank each of you in for the part you play in the U2/MV community. As Dawn W. often said, Onward and upwards. Let's keep it going! Laura Hirsh -Original Message- From: David Jordan [da...@dacono.com.au] Date: 03/21/2011 03:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment The user group is for the users. If any user has an idea that we can put into a business plan then we can put it to Rocket and Rocket will respond on the merits of the plan. What is difficult at the moment is what we can do. Rocket advertises the user group in its emails, at the U2 University. Susie regularly advertises the user group in her presentations around the world. Every U2U bag has a U2UG advert paid for by Rocket. The issue of membership is about relevance to users. For a user who is using a ERP solution, they are more interested in belonging to the ERP solution user group than the U2 User group. So who is our audience, ISVs, consultants, programmers, etc. Both George in the UK and Brian in Australasia advertise the user group to their ISVs. However the ISVs rarely advertise to their customer base. We all wish we could get the message out there more, but what we need is ideas more than money. David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - The I-Beam
The movie star Ice Cube has a verbal go-around in one of his movies taking place I South Africa if I remember correctly. The other actor says Have a nice day. Ice Cube replies Don't tell me what to do!. Thus, an exception to the I-Beam construct (kind of like using a goto statement in code) is... I hope that YOU have a nice day. So while there are instances when the you word can be used without inflamation, nine out of ten times you is the blame word. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
ToastMasters does not have the I-Beam as part of its charter, this was merely a brilliant speech that I heard when attending a TM meeting. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charlie Noah Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:44 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam Hi Bill, First, I believe what you say. I just find it hard to accept that ToastMasters, a fine and well-respected organization, would want everyone to always say I, and never say you. Personally, if someone I was dealing with constantly said I this and I that, I would tune them out very quickly. Most people would rather hear about themselves than the speaker. Now, denigrating someone while saying you is something else again. So, the context of the message is the important thing, not being sure never to say you. Just my 2 cents - admittedly 2 cents is not worth much these days. ;-) All that being said, I have read your posts often over the years, and find you to be both knowledgeable and honorable. Oops, should I not have said you there? big good old southern boy grin Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 03-18-2011 7:14 PM, Bill Brutzman wrote: I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Then George correct my factual incorrectness by telling us what money Rocket is providing for U2UG ? You're saying that my claim that they aren't providing any is factually incorrect. -Original Message- From: George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Mar 20, 2011 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment The problem with that point of view is that you don't know what Rocket wants from U2UG nor do you know what backing they give already. As I have said, and Brian Leach has confirmed, the board has no problem with the support we get from Rocket. Continuing to maintain that Rocket wants something but is unwilling to provide any money is just factually incorrect. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I imagine that Will assumes people know him asfft2001 from his email and frequent postings (just saying). I worked with him at Brooks Brothers and Salant when they had Pick systems. I am sure there isn't any hidden agenda there... but I should let him speak for himself. :) Ron -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:44 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Thanks Ron Not knowing raises concerns of what are the motives behind the emails. Will probably means well, but misunderstands what Rocket is doing for the U2UG and some of his comments are unfair to the people involved. David ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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No, this whole thing has got well beyond tedious now, if you haven't got the point yet that Rocket spend money on U2UG rather than give money to it - and that the board want is this way - you never will. On 21/03/2011 22:10, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: Then George correct my factual incorrectness by telling us what money Rocket is providing for U2UG ? You're saying that my claim that they aren't providing any is factually incorrect. -Original Message- From: George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.co.uk To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Cc: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Mar 20, 2011 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment The problem with that point of view is that you don't know what Rocket wants from U2UG nor do you know what backing they give already. As I have said, and Brian Leach has confirmed, the board has no problem with the support we get from Rocket. Continuing to maintain that Rocket wants something but is unwilling to provide any money is just factually incorrect. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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David -- This is Will who was on the original U2UG board with us -- seems like a long time ago, eh? --dawn On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:43 PM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all users, if anyone has ideas let us know. Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other users. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Hi Dawn I was raising an issue of etiquette to put names to emails so that everyone knows who they are dealing with and it is transparent that there are no hidden agendas. Not everyone knows who Will is as he has a meaningless email and he signs off with W. George would not know that Will was on the board of U2UG. I was trying to raise a perspective, that not knowing who you are dealing with raises questions about what are the motives. Members particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase or Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are clears the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. Regards David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Guys Can we reign this one in a bit: it's starting to get personal. That's against the spirit of this list. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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On 19/03/11 20:14, fft2...@aol.com wrote: Rather that if Rocket would provide a budget for outreach, then the U2UG could do outreach. I thought you said you WEREN'T telling other people what to do! Who is U2UG? Is it the board? Is it the members? You *are* telling other people what to do. All I can do is repeat what I said before. The board didn't want money, because it didn't have the ability to set up a mechanism for spending it. Firstly, what currency should it be in? I haven't got a clue what currency you would want, but - talking of the board - we could have been given GB£, AUS$, US$, and maybe other currencies, I can't remember. Where would we have spent it? If it was US$, you've just alienated the majority of the board. If it was GB£ or AUS$, you've ignored a large chunk of your market. I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. We DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY SO WE DON'T WANT IT !!! Please STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO !!! Cheers, Wol (Founder U2UG member. Member of the Founding Board) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Sheesh, you guys. You were both on the board IIRC when we discussed whether to pursue setting up as a legal entity in the US and/or elsewhere. We decided not to do it then. Obviously that could be discussed again, but I would not fund such an organization if I were Rocket, and I do not see a compelling reason at this point to organize as a non-profit in the US. Here is an off-the-wall or out-of-the-box idea. Is there any interest in making the umbrella larger by continuing as a U2 user group while pulling in other MV folks too? comp.databases.pick is not exactly vibrant right now, most of the Cache' users talk directly with their direct contacts within InterSystems rather than through their forum. I don't know how jBASE, Rev, and D3 lists are doing. The OpenQM list seems talkative enough (although OpenQM is no longer Open IIRC). I'm just musing, but now that IBM is not the U2 owner, slanting only toward U2 might not be the best way to accomplish such things as possibly getting a seat at the NoSQL table, for example. I had suggested that maybe Spectrum or individual DBMS vendors might want to try to broaden their own conferences to go beyond MV to pull in some of the new guys, but I suspect that ship has sailed so that there are now NoSQL conferences where we could participate. Again, just thinking out loud. This all might be a bad idea, but it keeps popping into my head, so I'm shedding it by asking the question. Would any good come from expanding to become the MVUG? Even when I write that, I think it is likely a bad idea, given that Spectrum could fill that role instead, perhaps (but Spectrum is a for profit working within the MV space, this would be a non-profit working to get exposure for MV outside of the existing MV space). I dunno. Other thoughts? --dawn P.S. Yes, I distracted my kids from their bickering by tossing out new questions too On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk wrote: On 19/03/11 20:14, fft2...@aol.com wrote: Rather that if Rocket would provide a budget for outreach, then the U2UG could do outreach. I thought you said you WEREN'T telling other people what to do! Who is U2UG? Is it the board? Is it the members? You *are* telling other people what to do. All I can do is repeat what I said before. The board didn't want money, because it didn't have the ability to set up a mechanism for spending it. Firstly, what currency should it be in? I haven't got a clue what currency you would want, but - talking of the board - we could have been given GB£, AUS$, US$, and maybe other currencies, I can't remember. Where would we have spent it? If it was US$, you've just alienated the majority of the board. If it was GB£ or AUS$, you've ignored a large chunk of your market. I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. We DON'T KNOW HOW TO HANDLE MONEY SO WE DON'T WANT IT !!! Please STOP TELLING US WHAT TO DO !!! Cheers, Wol (Founder U2UG member. Member of the Founding Board) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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A little correction--I see that my first sentence made little sense after I edited it incorrectly. I intended to say something like Because I am no longer a significant user of UniData as I once was, I hesitate to pipe up ... --dawn On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com wrote: Because I am no longer a significant user of UniData as I once was, I will pipe up on this question about what I see as the most important role of the U2UG. When the idea came to me to work with folks to get this off the ground, my thinking was that it would be useful to have such an organization to try to get more visibility for MultiValue in general. Because U2 was under the wing of IBM, if we were going to get some better visibility as a branch of the DBMS industry, the most likely resources for such would come from IBM, having more than 70% of the MV installed base (at least that was a figure I saw at one point, perhaps even 75%). So, the biggest reason for me was raising the visibility of what was then relegated to Gartner's embedded database category. Now that we have the NoSQL folks out there, I think we should be playing ball with them, getting MV to be one category of NoSQL or YesNoSQL for those MV products that do support SQL. Because I now use Cache' I wish I had not married this organization solely to IBM. At the time I figured that Revelation and jBASE/mPower were also third party providers in the U2 space, so that if we built up from U2 to the entire space, it would not be that difficult. Oddly enough, I now do not feel I can be part of the U2UG to any great extent simply because of the angle that initially I selected and the name that our initial board selected. I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two cents. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:13 AM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: snip These are my thoughts to some of the issues raised. *What do you see as the most important role of the U2UG? The U2UG plays a number of important roles to empower users to develop their skills, improve their career opportunities, spread the message and enhance the U2 products. Some of the issues that I have worked on within the user group has included working to open the U2 knowledge base that had been previously been restricted to licensed users, in lobbying management in IBM and Informix to recognise the U2 technology and issues such as connection pooling and better documentation. These were made possible by showing solidarity of a passionate group of users. snip -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:18:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, antli...@youngman.org.uk writes: I repeat. You yourself said that you weren't telling other people what to do. Then PLEASE DON'T! Please STOP TELLING ROCKET TO GIVE MONEY TO U2UG. Please STOP TELLING U2UG TO SPEND THE MONEY. I'm not telling people, I'm telling a company. Rocket wants something out of U2UG but won't give it the financial backing it needs. That's not productive. Can you please scream a lot because everybody loves it :) W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:43:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dw...@tincat-group.com writes: Would any good come from expanding to become the MVUG? Even when I write that, I think it is likely a bad idea, given that Spectrum could fill that role instead, perhaps (but Spectrum is a for profit working within the MV space, this would be a non-profit working to get exposure for MV outside of the existing MV space). Dawn you need to look at the history. I've only touched on the fact that the SMA was developed, albeit vendor-to-vendor to address this very space. You're talking about the same thing on a user level. Pick User's Groups physically have disappeared, but the Pick Users are still out there. Who supports them in a general sense if they can't afford or aren't being sponsored to go to Spectrum? Their companies say the technology is old because they aren't being contacted, no outreach, they aren't being touched or tickled by the vendors. They feel isolated. Whose fault is that? Without the monthly Pick User Group meetings, there's no constant contact. What fills the void? Would a mvUG work? I don't know, would a U2UG work? It's better to try and fail. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Let's be clear about this - the support that we have asked for has been provided. There is nothing that we are being held back from doing due to lack of support from Rocket. What the group needs is not support from Rocket, we have that, it is the active participation of U2 users willing to put their time where their mouths are and contribute to what the group is doing. If you want to contribute start putting some ideas forward and volunteering time to put them into action. Eloquently put and right on the button. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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In a message dated 3/18/2011 4:27:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
antli...@youngman.org.uk writes:
On 18/03/11 22:48, fft2...@aol.com wrote:
The element that says you... you... some personality trait you are
perverse you have an axe to grind.
That's ad hominem. If you have an issue with my argument, than address
the
argument, not my person.
Simple answer - it's YOUR question, so he was answering YOU.
That makes no sense Anthony. I can answer YOU without saying YOU are an
idiot.
I can answer YOU by answering YOUR argument, that doesn't mean I have to
also slap YOU in the face while doing it does it?
I do notice there doesn't seem to be much support for your position
though...
Not relevant. I will stand in the hurricane, I have no problem with that
position whatsoever.
Why?
I'll tell you why. Because we are an INTERNATIONAL group. What on earth
would we DO with the money? And, very importantly, who would SPEND it?
You would do outreach, and you would spend it.
There's 9 board members, spread all over the world. I can't remember the
spread when I was on the board, but at 50 miles apart Brian and me were
VERY VERY VERY close. One of the big problems was even finding a time
for the conference call because it was the middle of the night for some,
the middle of the working day for others, and - conveniently for some -
just after close of business for them.
At the end of the day, the board DIDN'T WANT money, because we had no
mechanism for spending it, and couldn't see any way that would work to
set up such a mechanism. If you've got any better ideas than we had, I'm
sure the current board would be delighted to know!
Here's an idea. Send a postcard to everyone on your mailing list saying
Spread the word about U2.
Obviously a newsgroup doesn't work if no one is reading it.
The last time I got anything in the mail about U2UG was ... oh never that's
right.
Again it's not about their involvement only about their financial
involvement.
And you haven't answered George's question - you clearly didn't read it.
Why do you think Rocket doesn't have a budget?. I certainly read into
that the implication that Rocket DOES have a budget, and spends it on
supporting the group (I'm out of the loop now, so I can't speak for the
current board).
It's clear that Rocket has no budget for promoting U2UG because it has
never spent any money TO promote U2UG that should be pretty clear.
Internal promotion is pointless. Allocating resources to meet with you is
pointless if there is no outreach to expand the group.
Outreach. Outreach. and Outreach.
Fine. What are YOU doing to do outreach? What this group needs is
PEOPLE, not money. Stop telling OTHER PEOPLE what THEY should do, and do
it yourself. Ask for help if you need it, but don't EXPECT anything more
than moral support - the chances are the board is overcommitted
themselves and have nothing of themselves left to give!
I have created the first and only apparently known list of end-users of
Pick. I have created evidently the first and only known list of books on
Picks. I have created evidently the first and only known article on parts of
the
history of Pick. (Not all parts have been documented you know.) What are
YOU doing to do outreach?
I'm not telling OTHER PEOPLE what THEY should do.
I'm telling a COMPANY what IT should do. That's a little different.
I'm not asking the BOARD to do one single thing. I'm saying now and then
and later, that ROCKET should do something.
That is, provide money.
Have you asked Rocket for support?
Again that's inreach. My point is outreach. Has Rocket ever contacted me?
Or really anyone who isn't already in their tickler file?
To promote something you go outside your insular list.
To your claim that license numbers are growing I have to respond
{{fact}}.
I've seen no evidence of that. What's your evidence.
If you want to demonstrate your claims, than do so with sources.
Anyone can make claims. I can claim just as easily that everything
you've
said is exactly upside-down.
Claims are not worth the air into which they are propelled.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. But the evidence I have
can be summed up as IBM was surprised how vigorous U2 was when they
bought it almost by mistake.
Um what? I'm talking about license numbers ARE growing emphasis on Are.
You are talking about license numbers WERE growing
I'm sure you don't remember the takeover by Ardent of Informix. But if
you read between the lines, that's what happened - okay, Ardent shares
got turned into Informix ones. But 6 months later it was the Informix
board that was let go, and ALL the head honcho posts were filled with
Ardent people. IBM reported that the U2 division was *consistently*
recording double-digit percent growth. Yes I know they didn't publicise
it very much, but why would the DB2
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In a message dated 3/19/2011 1:46:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Outreach: fft2...@aol.com seems to think that this is what the user group is about 'Outreach. Outreach. and Outreach.' The current board (and the last one) would probably disagree between ourselves on this, but I don't look on outreach as being a function of a user group or, if it is, it's a small part. A user group usually shares knowledge and help within the community and represents that community to the vendor. It simply doesn't have the resources, particularly it doesn't have people with time to outreach in any meaningful way. That's not to say that outreach isn't desirable, but it's not the only focus. No that's a misunderstanding of my point. Not that outreach is the only focus. Rather that if Rocket would provide a budget for outreach, then the U2UG could do outreach. And again if Rocket provided a budget for outreach, then there would be resources for outreach. That they don't of course means that it cannot happen. Which doesn't benefit anybody. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Because I am no longer a significant user of UniData as I once was, I will pipe up on this question about what I see as the most important role of the U2UG. When the idea came to me to work with folks to get this off the ground, my thinking was that it would be useful to have such an organization to try to get more visibility for MultiValue in general. Because U2 was under the wing of IBM, if we were going to get some better visibility as a branch of the DBMS industry, the most likely resources for such would come from IBM, having more than 70% of the MV installed base (at least that was a figure I saw at one point, perhaps even 75%). So, the biggest reason for me was raising the visibility of what was then relegated to Gartner's embedded database category. Now that we have the NoSQL folks out there, I think we should be playing ball with them, getting MV to be one category of NoSQL or YesNoSQL for those MV products that do support SQL. Because I now use Cache' I wish I had not married this organization solely to IBM. At the time I figured that Revelation and jBASE/mPower were also third party providers in the U2 space, so that if we built up from U2 to the entire space, it would not be that difficult. Oddly enough, I now do not feel I can be part of the U2UG to any great extent simply because of the angle that initially I selected and the name that our initial board selected. I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two cents. --dawn -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 7:13 AM, David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au wrote: snip These are my thoughts to some of the issues raised. *What do you see as the most important role of the U2UG? The U2UG plays a number of important roles to empower users to develop their skills, improve their career opportunities, spread the message and enhance the U2 products. Some of the issues that I have worked on within the user group has included working to open the U2 knowledge base that had been previously been restricted to licensed users, in lobbying management in IBM and Informix to recognise the U2 technology and issues such as connection pooling and better documentation. These were made possible by showing solidarity of a passionate group of users. snip ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Tony As always, you make some good points. I think maybe we I was wrong to talk about 'marketing' - a better word would have been 'awareness'. That's what we (U2UG) have to get to grips with, and haven't yet. One of the questions I hear all too often - and I'm sure others on the list do as well - is 'who else is using this?'. (and too often from senior managers who haven't heard of the technology and want to close it down). We all know, individually, that this is a thriving platform, powering applications in every business vertical and of every size. But the problem has always been the same - most MV developers feel they part of an isolated community, lone voices crying in the wilderness. We've spoken in the past about the age profile of the community as a cause for concern because we're not reaching younger developers. Not making the platform seem sexy. Frankly, the vendors and vars aren't going to solve these issues, for the reasons that George highlighted. So who will? Where groups like U2UG should be leading, is in making their presence felt and providing an opportunity for building that awareness. An in that I have to return to my main point - it's not the 9 people on board who matter, it's the users of the technology getting in contact with us and making use of us. Maybe the technology is so perfect that we don't need any changes (!) - but even if that were the case, we want/need people to know that there are others out there using this. So how do we go about that? (without spending money..) I've posted about the education agenda, trying to show what the technology can achieve. That's the first step - there is no point welcoming people to a technology they can't see or know where to begin. Then there's the wider context - one of the encouraging signs has been the growth in the number of blogs regarding multivalue. I would like to see the next stage translating into things such as postings on Code Project (which just about every other developer reads) and Tech Republic; kicking off some genuinely useful open source projects (watch this space!); postings to the website; discussions around the new features that have been/are being added to the products. Things that can show that this technology is alive. In today's world every post, every blog, every tweet, every article, every public discussion is a form of marketing. Just getting out there are saying - hey, I implemented SSL on UniVerse (and it worked) - is valuable. You can draw a comparison between our community and the PHP community. Like us, PHP was swimming against the tide and like us, does many things that the rest of the IT world is sometimes (and almost always wrongly) sniffy about. Like multivalue it can easily solve issues in ways that are usually simpler, faster and require less effort than the alternatives. It's never going to be the dominant technology, but it has a strong user base and strong awareness. Oh, and Microsoft is releasing a version for .NET. Of course, there are three key differences: It's open source, so anyone can play. It doesn't carry a lot of legacy. And the people who first used it were enthusiastic and told the world about it. That's what we're missing. Go Forth And Post. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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On 15/03/2011 20:04, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a budget? A big part of the reason is that the user group is not a properly constituted organisation in the sense of being a corporation or other legal entity that can hold money. Whilst incorporation has been a topic over the years there are difficulties within it, not least where to incorporate and the problems inherent in being an international group. So don't blame Rocket for not providing a budget, if they provided money we don't have the ability to accept it. George Land U2 User Group Board Member ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Dan raise some interesting questions and I thought I would put down some answer below to the points he raised. However the issue here is not the effectiveness of the board, but we as a community. After a number of years as second fiddle through Informix and IBM, we have all developed a siege mentality, just trying to justify why U2 should continue. We see the emails of the CEO wanting to replace the U2 application with SAP and Oracle and there is this morbid acceptance that U2 will lose out. To me the siege is over, the gates are open and U2 is on the attack with RDBMs on the run. I have developed a new application in U2 and I am selling and beating the big names as many other ISVs are. In tough times, U2 enables me to succeed when my competitors are going out of business. Rocket is an exciting new opportunity, we already have DataVu as a result of that marriage. I have even been talking to the guys at Rocket about selling U2 with CorVu. I am excited with the opportunity that is out there to be grabbed, but that excitement is not in the community. I can be the greatest evangelist for U2, but I am not going to win the world over by myself. If people are thinking that a director of the U2UG is going to be the panacea for change, it is not likely to happen, we are volunteers with limited time and resources. However in Egypt the masses changed a government and that is what is needed here, enthusiasm and excitement of the group. These are my thoughts to some of the issues raised. *What do you see as the most important role of the U2UG? The U2UG plays a number of important roles to empower users to develop their skills, improve their career opportunities, spread the message and enhance the U2 products. Some of the issues that I have worked on within the user group has included working to open the U2 knowledge base that had been previously been restricted to licensed users, in lobbying management in IBM and Informix to recognise the U2 technology and issues such as connection pooling and better documentation. These were made possible by showing solidarity of a passionate group of users. *How do you see the International User Group supporting existing local user groups and helping establish new local user groups? I have run user groups in the past and the changing nature of the industry has caused many traditional user groups to decline. Due to the wide geographic spread of users, those outside of major centres were disadvantaged. This is why I was involved in founding the international U2UG to try and provide all U2 users benefits through the internet rather than just person to person in major centres. However I believe U2UG should support and encourage those who want to run regional user groups and provide advertising through the web site to those meeting. *What do you think can be done to attract new developers ISVs to U2 and where do you see the role of the U2UG in this? New technologies such as DataVu will enhance the attractiveness of the product to new users and I like other Directors have been working with Rocket to enhance these products. As an ISV myself and having developed a new product with U2 technology I believe I have some understanding how we can attract new developers and I as other directors have worked towards attracting new developers with actions such as the incubator project. *What do you hope to achieve by the end of this term if you are elected and how do you see it benefiting the community? How will you measure your success in this? This is actually a good question. The success of the user group is not in the activities of its directors, but in the activities of its community. Something like the Microsoft MSDN community it has a life of its own, there are really no key people driving it. What I believe is more the role of directors is to enable and facilitate the user community to have a life of its own. We are more capable as a group than as individuals. Success is not in what the directors do, it is in what the community does. I think success is when directors are no longer needed to ensure an active group. *What specifically do you think will increase the active member-base of the U2UG and how do you intend to monitor this? Again this is a question that needs to be turned around. An increased active member base, new ISVs, getting the message out, these are not the role of directors, this is the role of all of those involved in the U2 community. If you earn a living from U2, then you need to assist in making U2 prosperous for your own benefit. If the only thing driving the U2UG are the directors, then we have lost. The directors role needs to be encouragement, coordination and enablement, not about being a one man band to solve all problems. As a USA President said, 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country'. So the answer is not what I can do to do to
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/18/2011 4:24:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: A big part of the reason is that the user group is not a properly constituted organisation in the sense of being a corporation or other legal entity that can hold money. Whilst incorporation has been a topic over the years there are difficulties within it, not least where to incorporate and the problems inherent in being an international group. So don't blame Rocket for not providing a budget, if they provided money we don't have the ability to accept it. Not relevant. Rocket can provide a *budget* item, which the U2UG could *direct* without the U2UG ever actually holding the money. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Not relevant. Rocket can provide a *budget* item, which the U2UG could *direct* without the U2UG ever actually holding the money. Speaking as a member of the U2 user group board I think I represent the views of the whole board when I say that we have no issues whatsoever with the support that we receive from Rocket. There is a senior representative on hand at every board meeting, we have access to software, to people and to resources. The limitations of the user group are entirely due to the limited time that board members have to spend on it and are nothing to do with Rocket. So please let's not make out that any perceived problems with the user group stem from Rocket, they don't. If we want a better user group we need more people to be engaged with it, you don't need to be on the board to help, again I'm sure that I speak for the entire board when I say that we would welcome any help that anyone is willing to give. George Land U2 User Group Board Member ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/18/2011 10:23:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Speaking as a member of the U2 user group board I think I represent the views of the whole board when I say that we have no issues whatsoever with the support that we receive from Rocket. There is a senior representative on hand at every board meeting, we have access to software, to people and to resources. The limitations of the user group are entirely due to the limited time that board members have to spend on it and are nothing to do with Rocket. So please let's not make out that any perceived problems with the user group stem from Rocket, they don't. If we want a better user group we need more people to be engaged with it, you don't need to be on the board to help, again I'm sure that I speak for the entire board when I say that we would welcome any help that anyone is willing to give. Any group is only as effective as the resources they have at their disposal, including money. So yes, without money I'm going to be pointing fingers at Rocket to ask, where's the financial support Rocket? Resources without financial resources, are not a full set of resources. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 18/03/2011 17:53, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: Any group is only as effective as the resources they have at their disposal, including money. So yes, without money I'm going to be pointing fingers at Rocket to ask, where's the financial support Rocket? Are you being deliberately perverse or do you have some axe to grind with Rocket? You clearly have no idea what Rocket does for the user group and despite being told that we can't take money but instead Rocket provides other resources with which we are very happy you still say 'where's the financial support?' Let's be clear about this - the support that we have asked for has been provided. There is nothing that we are being held back from doing due to lack of support from Rocket. What the group needs is not support from Rocket, we have that, it is the active participation of U2 users willing to put their time where their mouths are and contribute to what the group is doing. If you want to contribute start putting some ideas forward and volunteering time to put them into action. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Are you being deliberately perverse or do you have some axe to grind with Rocket? Yes be sure to throw an ad hominem attack in there to try to convince the reading audience not to listen. You clearly have no idea what Rocket does for the user group and despite being told that we can't take money but instead Rocket provides other resources with which we are very happy you still say 'where's the financial support?' Asked and answered. A group doesn't need to take money, in order to use money. Address that. Why doesn't Rocket have a budget earmarked Money to be used to support the U2 user group's activities? Why? Let's be clear about this - the support that we have asked for has been provided. There is nothing that we are being held back from doing due to lack of support from Rocket. Then you need to ask for more. Clearly the current strategy is not working. What the group needs is not support from Rocket, we have that, it is the active participation of U2 users willing to put their time where their mouths are and contribute to what the group is doing. If you want to contribute start putting some ideas forward and volunteering time to put them into action. Sure let's continue a strategy that doesn't work. That is a great marketing approach. On your next point, I volunteer more time to promote MV than most. I'm not willing at all, to promote Rocket at the expense of other MV Vendors, as a volunteer with no support from Rocket themselves. Clearly you have no idea what I do, or what I've been doing. Maybe you should figure that out first, before you go spouting off about what you think I should be doing. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 18/03/2011 21:49, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Are you being deliberately perverse or do you have some axe to grind with Rocket? Yes be sure to throw an ad hominem attack in there to try to convince the reading audience not to listen. Not sure what element of that was 'ad hominem', but if that's how you want to take it that is up to you. You clearly have no idea what Rocket does for the user group and despite being told that we can't take money but instead Rocket provides other resources with which we are very happy you still say 'where's the financial support?' Asked and answered. A group doesn't need to take money, in order to use money. Address that. Why doesn't Rocket have a budget earmarked Money to be used to support the U2 user group's activities? Why? Why do you think Rocket doesn't have a budget earmarked for user group activities? You clearly have no idea what involvement they have in their user group. Let's be clear about this - the support that we have asked for has been provided. There is nothing that we are being held back from doing due to lack of support from Rocket. Then you need to ask for more. Clearly the current strategy is not working. Why ask for more, what would we do with it? What activities do you think the user group should be doing that are restricted by lack of money? We are a user group, not a body dedicated to marketing a technology. What the group needs is not support from Rocket, we have that, it is the active participation of U2 users willing to put their time where their mouths are and contribute to what the group is doing. If you want to contribute start putting some ideas forward and volunteering time to put them into action. Sure let's continue a strategy that doesn't work. That is a great marketing approach. On your next point, I volunteer more time to promote MV than most. I'm not willing at all, to promote Rocket at the expense of other MV Vendors, as a volunteer with no support from Rocket themselves. Clearly you have no idea what I do, or what I've been doing. Maybe you should figure that out first, before you go spouting off about what you think I should be doing. I have no idea who you are, you hide behind a meaningless name - ft2...@aol.com - you could be anyone. OK, so you don't want to promote Rocket, let's remember that this is a U2 user group we are talking about. It's not a Pick user group, an MV user group, a jbase user group, an Intersystems user group. It is U2, that is Rocket and Rocket support their own user group. It sounds to me like you are someone whose involvement in MV has a bias towards the non-U2 side, that is your choice but have you discussed with anyone at Rocket what their strategy is? Do you have any information about what they are doing? U2 is sold OEM, license numbers are growing, revenues are growing, ISVs are prospering. OK, so there are less companies doing their own in house development, but that is the way the market is moving. Today it is increasingly about selling applications, not databases or development tools and as a specialist at selling OEM that is good for Rocket and U2. So you think it's a strategy that doesn't work, well that's your choice, but you probably have no sight of sales figures, no idea of licenses sold, no information on which to make that judgment. George Land Chairman APT Solutions Ltd Rocket U2 UK Distributor U2UG Board Member ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/18/2011 3:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes:
On 18/03/2011 21:49, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes:
Are you being deliberately perverse or do you have some axe to grind
with
Rocket?
Yes be sure to throw an ad hominem attack in there to try to convince
the
reading audience not to listen.
Not sure what element of that was 'ad hominem', but if that's how you want
to take it that is up to you.
The element that says you... you... some personality trait you are
perverse you have an axe to grind.
That's ad hominem. If you have an issue with my argument, than address the
argument, not my person.
You clearly have no idea what Rocket does for the user group and
despite
being told that we can't take money but instead Rocket provides other
resources with which we are very happy you still say 'where's the
financial
support?'
Asked and answered. A group doesn't need to take money, in order to
use money. Address that.
Why doesn't Rocket have a budget earmarked Money to be used to support
the
U2 user group's activities?
Why?
Why do you think Rocket doesn't have a budget earmarked for user group
activities? You clearly have no idea what involvement they have in their
user group.
Again it's not about their involvement only about their financial
involvement.
Let's be clear about this - the support that we have asked for has been
provided. There is nothing that we are being held back from doing due
to
lack of support from Rocket.
Then you need to ask for more. Clearly the current strategy is not
working.
Why ask for more, what would we do with it? What activities do you think
the user group should be doing that are restricted by lack of money? We
are a user group, not a body dedicated to marketing a technology.
Outreach. Outreach. and Outreach.
What the group needs is not support from Rocket, we have that, it is
the
active participation of U2 users willing to put their time where their
mouths are and contribute to what the group is doing. If you want to
contribute start putting some ideas forward and volunteering time to
put
them into action.
Sure let's continue a strategy that doesn't work. That is a great
marketing approach.
On your next point, I volunteer more time to promote MV than most. I'm
not
willing at all, to promote Rocket at the expense of other MV Vendors, as
a
volunteer with no support from Rocket themselves.
Clearly you have no idea what I do, or what I've been doing.
Maybe you should figure that out first, before you go spouting off about
what you think I should be doing.
I have no idea who you are, you hide behind a meaningless name -
ft2...@aol.com - you could be anyone. OK, so you don't want to promote
Rocket, let's remember that this is a U2 user group we are talking about.
It's not a Pick user group, an MV user group, a jbase user group, an
Intersystems user group. It is U2, that is Rocket and Rocket support
their
own user group.
It sounds to me like you are someone whose involvement in MV has a bias
towards the non-U2 side, that is your choice but have you discussed with
anyone at Rocket what their strategy is? Do you have any information
about
what they are doing?
U2 is sold OEM, license numbers are growing, revenues are growing, ISVs
are
prospering. OK, so there are less companies doing their own in house
development, but that is the way the market is moving. Today it is
increasingly about selling applications, not databases or development
tools
and as a specialist at selling OEM that is good for Rocket and U2. So you
think it's a strategy that doesn't work, well that's your choice, but you
probably have no sight of sales figures, no idea of licenses sold, no
information on which to make that judgment.
My name is not meaningless.
And there is a difference between what the *group* does and what *I* do.
I do not have an bias away from U2, or toward anything non-U2.
I see no point in discussing with anyone at Rocket what their strategy
is, since my entire point is, outreach.
Outreach is not inreach. If I have to contact them, that's not outreach is
it?
To your claim that license numbers are growing I have to respond
{{fact}}.
I've seen no evidence of that. What's your evidence.
If you want to demonstrate your claims, than do so with sources.
Anyone can make claims. I can claim just as easily that everything you've
said is exactly upside-down.
Claims are not worth the air into which they are propelled.
W
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Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Bill: My wife has reminded me of this fact for years!I hardly know what the word you means anymore. :-) Bill On 3/18/2011 5:14 PM, Bill Brutzman wrote: I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in which case you have the unique y'all, which oddly enough I've always heard used as the singular, specific form.) For instance, I might have written: I think you sometimes use you when you mean someone other than yourself... :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Hi Bill, First, I believe what you say. I just find it hard to accept that ToastMasters, a fine and well-respected organization, would want everyone to always say I, and never say you. Personally, if someone I was dealing with constantly said I this and I that, I would tune them out very quickly. Most people would rather hear about themselves than the speaker. Now, denigrating someone while saying you is something else again. So, the context of the message is the important thing, not being sure never to say you. Just my 2 cents - admittedly 2 cents is not worth much these days. ;-) All that being said, I have read your posts often over the years, and find you to be both knowledgeable and honorable. Oops, should I not have said you there? big good old southern boy grin Charlie Noah Charles W. Noah Associates cwn...@comcast.net The views and opinions expressed herein are my own (Charlie Noah) and do not necessarily reflect the views, positions or policies of any of my former, current or future employers, employees, clients, friends, enemies or anyone else who might take exception to them. On 03-18-2011 7:14 PM, Bill Brutzman wrote: I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the lines of XYZ... I am in favor of... I am not in favor of... are decent I-Beam constructs. On the other hand... YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault. This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word YOU is toxic. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! From: fft So I think there is really an enormous amount of outreach that could be done, which isn't. I don't know why that is. It's simple. Outreach requires a champion, and advocate, some individual or group that can afford the time to dedicate to a cause. There is simply not enough reward for individuals in this market for user group members to champion the MV platform to a wide audience of relational people. In other words, the answer to why that is is exactly what Brian said: we don't have any budget. So the task is left to the DBMS vendors, who then unfortunately spend the marketing budgets that they have targeting other non-U2 MV sites rather than trying to bring in new business, because that's the low-hanging fruit from which they'd like to nourish themselves. What they don't seem to realize (after only a couple decades of this) is that they are practicing a form of self-canibalism which the rest of us recognize in the slowly decreasing market size. DBMS-provider Marketing can get the best bang for its buck, not necessarily by trying to sell the rest of the world a database, but by partnering with Value-Add Resellers who sell applications over their platform to present their offerings at tradeshows and in other marketing venues. As a matter of consequence, when an MV VAR is able to offer their own solutions to a wider audience, the word spreads about the platform they're using for development. From : fft Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a budget? That would be rather awkward for a company to admit that they're not doing their own marketing to new audiences, but they'll allocate funds to a user group to do it for them. Sure I'm being a bit harsh in all of this, (call it tough love) but I'm getting a little tired of everyone pretending that the emperor is wearing clothes. I recently blogged on related topics, where I put forward that lack of marketing is a problem throughout the channel: nospamNebula-RnD.com/blog/tech/mv/2011/03/spectrum1.html To keep this on topic, I don't see U2UG as being an entity that actually does marketing. As described for the DBMS vendors above, I see U2UG as a vehicle for helping VARs to validate their offering, by providing materials (or even someone to stand in a booth) to demonstrate that there is a larger world of developers behind what may seem like a fringe/fad technology. This is something the DBMS vendors should be doing, but since they're not, sure it would be nice if they helped with a budget for such things. BTW, when I was working at Pick Systems, we actually did shows like Comdex and Linux World Expo, and I was proud to do booth duty to help get the message out about the DBMS model, and to do side-by side comparisons of SQL with MV database operations. Aside from Revelation, I don't think any company is doing this kind of thing for the MV world, and even then I don't think they have been doing it for the MV world, but really just for their own platform. It's that shift of focus that negates their effort for our purposes. Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/17/2011 9:57:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes: There is simply not enough reward for individuals in this market for user group members to champion the MV platform to a wide audience of relational I have to agree with Tony on this. It takes time and effort to pull the names out of a lethargic sea. I briefly mentioned in my history articles the formation of the multi-vendor association. Anyone remember details about that? Specifically who was in it, and why it collapsed. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Thank you to Brian for responding as well as everybody else who was joined in on the discussion. You have all reasoned some valid points/issues. I think by posting this it has uncovered some more inherent issues that should be addressed/considered by the U2UG in coming months. I starting writing the below linked Open Letter 9 hours after receiving notification of these elections (not bad considering the wide timezone ranges). Understanding that a wide audience wouldn't see it just on my blog, I posted it solely on the mailing list to see 1) how much interest people had in the U2UG elections and 2) How many people would actually see it on what appears to be the main communication channel for U2. Sadly, there would seem to be 2 possible take-aways from this exercise: - The elections would appear to be a token (albeit well-meant) gesture as there is hardly enough time to have meaningful discussions since we haven't seen a single response from any of the candidates at this stage. Or - Maybe the mailing listing is not the 'wide' communication channel it has been touted as; assuming the candidates would want to respond, I can only assume they haven't noticed my questions yet. Now, I don't have a fanciful enough imagination to assume a large portion of the community would be interested in reading my post about the election, but given the numbers from Brian (roughly 3500 members of U2UG), it would seem from the paltry 43 hits (roughly 1.2%, including 4 from subscription channels) that communication via the mailing lists needs to be reconsidered as to its effectiveness. Susan makes a great point on her comment she posted on the post: ...that number one criteria for a board member is willingness to serve. Not just willingness to run for the office, but willingness to make showing up to those every-other-week one hour meetings a priority. While I in no way discount the effort they have/will/are putting in, maybe something to consider for future elections is that the nominees themselves have to start a discussion around why they are nominating for the position. At least this we way we have a demonstration up front that it isn't just a nomination because it is easy to nominate, but they are prepared to make it a priority as well as give us an idea of their intentions. If the public profile of the nominees is higher, wouldn't it stand to reason that community engagement would also be higher? There is still a few hours to go, but my votes will have to stay as Abstain since if asked why I nominated one person over another, there is no way I could intelligently answer, hence my vote would be at best naïve. Regards, Dan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: Tuesday, 15 March 2011 9:13 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment Hi all, I've posted an open letter regarding the U2UG elections to the nominees. I'd love to see more dialogue around these elections as I feel I don't really know what I'm voting for when I place my votes. http://u2tech.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/u2ug-elections-2011/ Along with this, I also wonder how many people on this list are members of the U2UG and how many actually vote? I've never seen any numbers. I know I'm one of two out of the roughly 20 U2 people at my work who know of the U2UG and am the only member. Not the greatest odds. On the positive side, it leaves a lot of room to expand. :) Regards, Dan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:17:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ro...@stamina.com.au writes: I mean, it is good for Tri-Sys, as they will generate a list of end users to solicit, but I'd suggest it is unlikely that a VAR is going to make his customer list public ... Ross I think you're right there. I think what we'll see is a slow accumulation of sites based on an employee mentioning it, or a consultant, or ex-employee. But not the VAR. And I think for the very reason that you suggest, that they don't want poachers. Don't want to compete in a completely open market. I wonder if a person were to build a list from online resumes alone, how many companies would be on it. Of course some or even many of those would have moved away from Pick. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 16/03/2011 06:36, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: Ross I think you're right there. I think what we'll see is a slow accumulation of sites based on an employee mentioning it, or a consultant, or ex-employee. But not the VAR. And I think for the very reason that you suggest, that they don't want poachers. Don't want to compete in a completely open market. I wonder if a person were to build a list from online resumes alone, how many companies would be on it. Of course some or even many of those would have moved away from Pick. Writing as someone who is a VAR, a U2 distributor and a U2 board member I would say that it is more complex than that. Firstly the overwhelming majority of U2 end user sites do not have technical staff, even if they have an IT department that department knows nothing about U2 whatsoever. They run an application, they may manage the server it is on (although increasingly they will have it hosted and won't even do that) but they know nothing about the database or technology. Secondly you have to respect the confidentiality of your customers, I would never publicise anything about our customers without clearing it with them first. We had an attempt to get people just to say 'We use U2', but there was no interest, after all what is in it for them to say that? They rarely endorse other suppliers in that way. Companies don't go out and publicise that they use any particular product or technology, I don't usually declare to the world that we have Panasonic printers or Dell servers, why should anyone declare to the world that they use U2 particularly when they probably also have databases on Oracle, SQL Server and others as well? The poacher argument is largely spurious, as a VAR our customers use our application, they have to come to us for support and maintenance, it is written into their contracts. I'm not particularly concerned about other people approaching them, what they buy from us isn't specifically U2 skills it's application and market skills. George Land Chairman APT Solutions Ltd ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/16/2011 1:10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Firstly the overwhelming majority of U2 end user sites do not have technical staff, even if they have an IT department that department knows nothing about U2 whatsoever. They run an application, they may manage the server it is on (although increasingly they will have it hosted and won't even do that) but they know nothing about the database or technology. George I'm solely referring to those sites, who have actual U2 professionals on staff. I've worked many many places where other programmer analysts did not subscribe to Spectrum, had never attended a Spectrum show, had never taken a formal class, had never read the U2 (or comp.databases.pick) threads, etc etc etc. Many. In fact usually I'm the most well-connected person on staff (by far), and I don't even have my fingers in every pie... yet. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
-Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 12:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment In a message dated 3/16/2011 1:10:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Firstly the overwhelming majority of U2 end user sites do not have technical staff, even if they have an IT department that department knows nothing about U2 whatsoever. They run an application, they may manage the server it is on (although increasingly they will have it hosted and won't even do that) but they know nothing about the database or technology. George I'm solely referring to those sites, who have actual U2 professionals on staff. I've worked many many places where other programmer analysts did not subscribe to Spectrum, had never attended a Spectrum show, had never taken a formal class, had never read the U2 (or comp.databases.pick) threads, etc etc etc. Many. In fact usually I'm the most well-connected person on staff (by far), and I don't even have my fingers in every pie... yet. W ___ My recommendation for increasing U2UG membership is adding search engine optimization to the U2UG website. If I have a Unidata question I often go to Google first. I am not a U2 professional, but in a company with around 100 employees I somehow absorbed administration duties of our ERP software. As a person without an IT background I find this listserver and U2UG very useful. (Sometimes I have to go to Google to look up the acronyms you folks use.) I am not able to contribute to very many discussions and leave the election of officers to the IT experts in the group. Michael Martin Quality Manager Innovation Industries Inc. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Elections 2010 – Request For Comment
Hi all, I've posted an open letter regarding the U2UG elections to the nominees. I'd love to see more dialogue around these elections as I feel I don't really know what I'm voting for when I place my votes. http://u2tech.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/u2ug-elections-2011/ Along with this, I also wonder how many people on this list are members of the U2UG and how many actually vote? I've never seen any numbers. I know I'm one of two out of the roughly 20 U2 people at my work who know of the U2UG and am the only member. Not the greatest odds. On the positive side, it leaves a lot of room to expand. :) Regards, Dan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Dan Thank you for your open letter. The questions are very pertinent. I'll leave it to the candidates to answer for the future, but if I can speak for past performance as honestly as I can - The board is composed of 9 people who are actively involved in U2 and give of their time freely. That is of course, a constraint in itself, since by definition those of us who care sufficiently to do this are also the busiest - but there is an old Yorkshire saying, if you want something done, ask the busiest person. So we have concentrated on those things we can deliver - educational materials, news, pushing for events like the U2 University, the UniVerse and UniData personal editions, the podcasts from Rocket - and feeding back information on the products either from our own experiences or, where our members communicate, on their behalf. In return, we get a great response from Rocket who give of their time to engage in dialog and to listen to that information. We can't guarantee that they will act on it (!) but we do get a say. That's important. Our failing is that none of us are marketing based: maybe it's the nature of this sector, but we are all techies or consultants of various types. That's just how it has played out - I'd love to see people with a wider selection of roles come forward for election. Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Because of that, we haven't really succeeded in pushing out the U2 message as we would like. But we have tried to make it easier for those who find U2 to get up and running and to work out just what this technology means and can deliver - hence the starter pack and the new incubator series we are launching. (If you have worked with this technology for many years it's easy to forget just how unfriendly it can seem to a newcomer with no background in our way of working, and that's something we are actively trying to engage with. There's no point saying to the world 'take a look here' if all they can find is a TCL prompt!) We are also here to represent the user community, but that is a two way thing. We have about 3,500 members signed up on the website: and if you are the only U2UG member at your site - tell the others! Get them to join, share, and don't be shy about contacting any of us. You'll find us at U2U events, writing for Spectrum, our own blogs and sites - as well as the U2UG site itself. And of course, we steward the user list on which we are talking now. And vote. Please. It only takes a moment. We can't make you talk to us or join in, but we can try to provide the mechanisms for you to do so. This list, the wiki, forums, news and events. But it's up to you - the community - to join in and make best use of us. As a user group we will only ever be as good as the community behind us. Brian Leach, Outgoing U2UG President. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: 15 March 2011 10:13 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment Hi all, I've posted an open letter regarding the U2UG elections to the nominees. I'd love to see more dialogue around these elections as I feel I don't really know what I'm voting for when I place my votes. http://u2tech.wordpress.com/2011/03/15/u2ug-elections-2011/ Along with this, I also wonder how many people on this list are members of the U2UG and how many actually vote? I've never seen any numbers. I know I'm one of two out of the roughly 20 U2 people at my work who know of the U2UG and am the only member. Not the greatest odds. On the positive side, it leaves a lot of room to expand. :) Regards, Dan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a budget? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
On 15/03/11 20:04, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a budget? Let's ask a slightly different question - where and how would we advertise ourselves? This mailing list probably reaches the widest target audience ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
If as one person remarked, he is the only one in a sea of twenty multi-value employees who knows about U2UG or is a member, than I would humbly suggest that it doesn't. In the vast majority of the multi-value environments in which I've worked in my *cough twenty six cough* years in Pick, even finding a copy of Spectrum is a rare experience. So I think there is really an enormous amount of outreach that could be done, which isn't. I don't know why that is. -Original Message- From: Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment On 15/03/11 20:04, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a budget? Let's ask a slightly different question - where and how would we advertise ourselves? This mailing list probably reaches the widest target audience ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
I'd suggest that in part it would be driven by the clients VAR's -- they want to protect their client base from poachers, which is why I think the mvcommunitymap website may ultimately fail -- I mean, it is good for Tri-Sys, as they will generate a list of end users to solicit, but I'd suggest it is unlikely that a VAR is going to make his customer list public ... Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 16 March 2011 8:17 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment If as one person remarked, he is the only one in a sea of twenty multi-value employees who knows about U2UG or is a member, than I would humbly suggest that it doesn't. In the vast majority of the multi-value environments in which I've worked in my *cough twenty six cough* years in Pick, even finding a copy of Spectrum is a rare experience. So I think there is really an enormous amount of outreach that could be done, which isn't. I don't know why that is. -Original Message- From: Wols Lists antli...@youngman.org.uk To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tue, Mar 15, 2011 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment On 15/03/11 20:04, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a budget? Let's ask a slightly different question - where and how would we advertise ourselves? This mailing list probably reaches the widest target audience ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Elections Looming
All The International U2 User Group (U2UG) elections for the new board will be launching next week. For those who do not know, the U2UG looks after this email list, as well as providing advice, papers, knowledge base articles, a wiki and running many other projects to benefit the U2 community. The board meet with Rocket every fortnight to represent the concerns of the U2 community and to discuss the direction of the products. Board members give up a lot of their time for free. So we need your support. If you are already a U2UG member, please visit the website over the next few days to make sure that your email address and profile are up to date! Otherwise you won't receive the mails giving your election voice and your chance to vote - and keeping you in touch with the work that the U2UG are undertaking on your behalf. If you are not already a U2UG member, we urge you to join and make full use of us! It's free - just sign up on www.u2ug.org. Thank you Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Member Newsletter -- DataVU
I see no mention of availability or pricing on U2UG and no mention at all on Rocket.com. Does anyone know more? Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Member Newsletter -- DataVU
Brad It's imminent, but not formally released yet .. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of bradley.sch...@usbank.com Sent: 18 October 2010 15:39 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] U2UG Member Newsletter -- DataVU I see no mention of availability or pricing on U2UG and no mention at all on Rocket.com. Does anyone know more? Brad. U.S. BANCORP made the following annotations - Electronic Privacy Notice. This e-mail, and any attachments, contains information that is, or may be, covered by electronic communications privacy laws, and is also confidential and proprietary in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you are legally prohibited from retaining, using, copying, distributing, or otherwise disclosing this information in any manner. Instead, please reply to the sender that you have received this communication in error, and then immediately delete it. Thank you in advance for your cooperation. - ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG news (was Pick Pocket Guide)
All, 1. The good news is that the U2UG board has agreed to push ahead with our incubator project this year. This will combine learning materials and sample applications aimed at bringing the platform in front of genuinely new developers who have not encountered any flavour of multivalue before. The aim will be to make it as easy as possible to get people up and running to the point where they can seriously evaluate the technology, and to showcase the best that it can offer. No doubt we will be seeking volunteers along the road. We will be discussing exactly what we need to include, and how we will be developing these at the next board meeting (in two weeks' time). We already have a number of ideas taking shape, but in the mean time, suggestions are welcomed: just send them to me offlist and I'll keep everyone posted. Once we have a good batch, I'll add a new forum to the website dedicated to discussing and furthering this topic, since it is such an important piece for us as an industry. NOW - since we're going to be giving up a lot of time for this - we want something in return! Listen up! 2. One of the major problems has always been visibility. With the loss of the IBM name, that visibility has taken another dive. The best way to get that visibility and credibility back, is to be able to tell prospective customers and developers just how widespread this technology is. Which means, being able to tell them who is using it. I know we have top companies in every industry sector using U2. Half of them don't even know that there are other people in the same industry using it. And it makes them feel isolated and worried about the platform. We need a way to tell the world 'We Use U2'. So we are going to be launching an initiative for people to tell us that. No more than that - they don't need to tell us anything secret, how they are using it, what they are doing with it, nothing that points to a competitive advantage. Just that they are amongst the thousands of organizations that use it. So watch this space and think about how you can add your organizations names to this list. You might be surprised how many others are out there. Regards Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Elections Reminder
Calling all U2UG Members! This is a reminder that the elections for the 2010 U2UG Board will close on Feb 10th. So if you have not cast your vote yet, please sign in to www.u2ug.org and visit the elections page (under Membership menu). Thanks! Brian On behalf of the U2UG Board. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
Hi Symeon I notice you have two separate logins to the website, and one of them has not been activated. I've now activated that, so you should be able to see the elections page. If not, drop me an email offlist and I'll sort it. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 04 February 2010 8:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Cottrell Sent: 04 February 2010 18:02 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections nvr mind, I logged out and back in and found it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Lloyd Cottrell lbc7...@gmail.com wrote: I might be blind, but can you give a link to do the voting? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Calling all U2UG Members This is a reminder that voting has opened for the election of the new U2UG Board for 2010 - 2011. The board is composed of busy individuals who have volunteered their time to represent you, the U2 community. This year, following the transition to Rocket, the user groups plans to be even more active than ever. In order to secure a strong mandate, we need as many members as possible to vote. Please take a few moments to visit the elections page on the website and cast your vote. We have a strong slate of candidates once again, and they deserve your support. Voting will close on 10 Feb 2010. You can cast your vote more than once, however only the last vote cast will count. Votes can be cast through the website or by sending an email to: electi...@mvopen.org quoting your U2UG login name. The election page can be found under the Membership menu once you have logged into the site. Thank you. Brian On behalf of the U2 User Group Board. PS: If you are a member of the U2UG but have not received a previous email about voting, please check the email address in your member profile and make sure that it does not require verification. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2667 - Release Date: 02/04/10 07:35:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
Dave No. The u2ug is a redirect from the old u2ug site, the one we first set up when we started the group off. Mvopen.org is the real address for this server, but both should take you to the same place. We tried to switch the u2ug address a little while back, but it stuffed up these lists (which are hosted yet somewhere else) so we've been wary of trying that again .. It is on the agenda for the new board to sort out though :) Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dave Taylor Sent: 04 February 2010 10:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections It almost sounds like the same url is connected to a different opening page between the US and the UK. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections U2ug.org, but changed the url to mvopen.org and it is no different. Under Membership i have 4 options Register, Join email List, UUG charter, U2UG Newsletter - it is kind of like i have not logged in but at the top of the left column it says you are logged in as Symeon Breen. ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Robinson Sent: 04 February 2010 21:36 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Are you logging into mvopen.org? Cheers, Don Robinson From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Sorry it is deffo not there ! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 04 February 2010 20:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2667 - Release Date: 02/04/10 07:35:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Thanks Brian , i am working now - the other login can prob be deleted -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brian Leach Sent: 05 February 2010 12:31 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Hi Symeon I notice you have two separate logins to the website, and one of them has not been activated. I've now activated that, so you should be able to see the elections page. If not, drop me an email offlist and I'll sort it. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 04 February 2010 8:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Cottrell Sent: 04 February 2010 18:02 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections nvr mind, I logged out and back in and found it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Lloyd Cottrell lbc7...@gmail.com wrote: I might be blind, but can you give a link to do the voting? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Calling all U2UG Members This is a reminder that voting has opened for the election of the new U2UG Board for 2010 - 2011. The board is composed of busy individuals who have volunteered their time to represent you, the U2 community. This year, following the transition to Rocket, the user groups plans to be even more active than ever. In order to secure a strong mandate, we need as many members as possible to vote. Please take a few moments to visit the elections page on the website and cast your vote. We have a strong slate of candidates once again, and they deserve your support. Voting will close on 10 Feb 2010. You can cast your vote more than once, however only the last vote cast will count. Votes can be cast through the website or by sending an email to: electi...@mvopen.org quoting your U2UG login name. The election page can be found under the Membership menu once you have logged into the site. Thank you. Brian On behalf of the U2 User Group Board. PS: If you are a member of the U2UG but have not received a previous email about voting, please check the email address in your member profile and make sure that it does not require verification. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2667 - Release Date: 02/04/10 07:35:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
I might be blind, but can you give a link to do the voting? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Calling all U2UG Members This is a reminder that voting has opened for the election of the new U2UG Board for 2010 - 2011. The board is composed of busy individuals who have volunteered their time to represent you, the U2 community. This year, following the transition to Rocket, the user groups plans to be even more active than ever. In order to secure a strong mandate, we need as many members as possible to vote. Please take a few moments to visit the elections page on the website and cast your vote. We have a strong slate of candidates once again, and they deserve your support. Voting will close on 10 Feb 2010. You can cast your vote more than once, however only the last vote cast will count. Votes can be cast through the website or by sending an email to: electi...@mvopen.org quoting your U2UG login name. The election page can be found under the Membership menu once you have logged into the site. Thank you. Brian On behalf of the U2 User Group Board. PS: If you are a member of the U2UG but have not received a previous email about voting, please check the email address in your member profile and make sure that it does not require verification. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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nvr mind, I logged out and back in and found it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Lloyd Cottrell lbc7...@gmail.com wrote: I might be blind, but can you give a link to do the voting? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Calling all U2UG Members This is a reminder that voting has opened for the election of the new U2UG Board for 2010 - 2011. The board is composed of busy individuals who have volunteered their time to represent you, the U2 community. This year, following the transition to Rocket, the user groups plans to be even more active than ever. In order to secure a strong mandate, we need as many members as possible to vote. Please take a few moments to visit the elections page on the website and cast your vote. We have a strong slate of candidates once again, and they deserve your support. Voting will close on 10 Feb 2010. You can cast your vote more than once, however only the last vote cast will count. Votes can be cast through the website or by sending an email to: electi...@mvopen.org quoting your U2UG login name. The election page can be found under the Membership menu once you have logged into the site. Thank you. Brian On behalf of the U2 User Group Board. PS: If you are a member of the U2UG but have not received a previous email about voting, please check the email address in your member profile and make sure that it does not require verification. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Lloyd Cottrell Sent: 04 February 2010 18:02 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections nvr mind, I logged out and back in and found it. On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Lloyd Cottrell lbc7...@gmail.com wrote: I might be blind, but can you give a link to do the voting? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 2:02 AM, Brian Leach br...@brianleach.co.uk wrote: Calling all U2UG Members This is a reminder that voting has opened for the election of the new U2UG Board for 2010 - 2011. The board is composed of busy individuals who have volunteered their time to represent you, the U2 community. This year, following the transition to Rocket, the user groups plans to be even more active than ever. In order to secure a strong mandate, we need as many members as possible to vote. Please take a few moments to visit the elections page on the website and cast your vote. We have a strong slate of candidates once again, and they deserve your support. Voting will close on 10 Feb 2010. You can cast your vote more than once, however only the last vote cast will count. Votes can be cast through the website or by sending an email to: electi...@mvopen.org quoting your U2UG login name. The election page can be found under the Membership menu once you have logged into the site. Thank you. Brian On behalf of the U2 User Group Board. PS: If you are a member of the U2UG but have not received a previous email about voting, please check the email address in your member profile and make sure that it does not require verification. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I have the same issue as others. I logged on and it displayed my full name so I am logged in but there isn't a link to see U2U2 Elections. Thought it was just me and something up with my login. Brenda L Price UniVerse Programmer Rapid Response Team Market America, Inc. Greensboro, NC -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:20 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
Sorry it is deffo not there ! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 04 February 2010 20:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Are you logging into mvopen.org? Cheers, Don Robinson From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Sorry it is deffo not there ! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 04 February 2010 20:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
Browse to www.u2ug.org. Enter your Login Name and Password. Under Membership on the left side of the page, 6 items down, you should find u2ugElections. Dave Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Sorry it is deffo not there ! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 04 February 2010 20:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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U2ug.org, but changed the url to mvopen.org and it is no different. Under Membership i have 4 options Register, Join email List, UUG charter, U2UG Newsletter - it is kind of like i have not logged in but at the top of the left column it says you are logged in as Symeon Breen. ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Robinson Sent: 04 February 2010 21:36 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Are you logging into mvopen.org? Cheers, Don Robinson From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Sorry it is deffo not there ! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 04 February 2010 20:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Worked fine for me Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Logged in to u2ug.org and voted w/o any problems Wally Terhune wrote: Worked fine for me Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I'll third that, through mvopen.org -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Peter S. Goldberger Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 9:02 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Logged in to u2ug.org and voted w/o any problems Wally Terhune wrote: Worked fine for me Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
Sorry, u2ug.org. I was reading mvopen.org and wonder what that was, so naturally typed it instead. :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dan McGrath Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 9:05 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I'll third that, through mvopen.org -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Peter S. Goldberger Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 9:02 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Logged in to u2ug.org and voted w/o any problems Wally Terhune wrote: Worked fine for me Wally Terhune U2 Support Architect Rocket Software 4700 S. Syracuse Street, Suite 400 **Denver, CO 80237 **USA Tel: +1.720.475.8055 Email: wterh...@rs.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com/u2 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ### The information transmitted in this message and attachments (if any) is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. The message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The intended recipient of this e-mail may only use, reproduce, disclose or distribute the information contained in this e-mail and any attached files with the permission of IMB. ### ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections
It almost sounds like the same url is connected to a different opening page between the US and the UK. Dave Taylor Sysmark Information Systems, Inc. 49 Aspen Way Rolling Hills Estates, CA 90274 (O) 800-SYSMARK (800-797-6275) (F) 310-377-3550 (C) 310-561-5200 www.sysmarkinfo.com - Original Message - From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections U2ug.org, but changed the url to mvopen.org and it is no different. Under Membership i have 4 options Register, Join email List, UUG charter, U2UG Newsletter - it is kind of like i have not logged in but at the top of the left column it says you are logged in as Symeon Breen. ? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Don Robinson Sent: 04 February 2010 21:36 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Are you logging into mvopen.org? Cheers, Don Robinson From: Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, February 4, 2010 4:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections Sorry it is deffo not there ! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mark Eastwood Sent: 04 February 2010 20:20 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I voted yesterday - after you Log in, under Membership (left side) you'll see a link for 'U2UG Elections', click it, then go to bottom of page. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:15 PM To: lbc7...@gmail.com; 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections I have the same i cannot see a link on the home page, I am logged in - u2ug.org ? -Original Message- ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Elections
Calling all U2UG Members This is a reminder that voting has opened for the election of the new U2UG Board for 2010 - 2011. The board is composed of busy individuals who have volunteered their time to represent you, the U2 community. This year, following the transition to Rocket, the user groups plans to be even more active than ever. In order to secure a strong mandate, we need as many members as possible to vote. Please take a few moments to visit the elections page on the website and cast your vote. We have a strong slate of candidates once again, and they deserve your support. Voting will close on 10 Feb 2010. You can cast your vote more than once, however only the last vote cast will count. Votes can be cast through the website or by sending an email to: electi...@mvopen.org quoting your U2UG login name. The election page can be found under the Membership menu once you have logged into the site. Thank you. Brian On behalf of the U2 User Group Board. PS: If you are a member of the U2UG but have not received a previous email about voting, please check the email address in your member profile and make sure that it does not require verification. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Elections
All Just a reminder to all U2UG members, that we are seeking nominations for the next board. We are looking for a new Vice President and three Members at Large. You can nominate either yourself or another U2UG member for these positions. With the sale of U2 to Rocket, we have a wealth of new opportunities and need enthusiastic board members to help push our current projects through, and to come up with new ideas. Please send your nominations to: electi...@u2ug.org Thank you Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] U2UG Website
All I've been informed by my hosting provider that they are moving my server (hosting the U2UG site) to a new data centre. This necessitates a change of IP address, and also means the U2UG site will be down whilst they make the move. Just hope that address isn't reused for some dodgy site before Google picks up the change :( It will be happening some time next week but they won't give a specific date. Thanks for your patience. Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] u2ug website down
Jeff Kicked, thanks! (Why do these things NEVER happen when I'm IN the office...) Brian On 03 November 2009 at 21:22 Jeff Butera jbut...@hampshire.edu wrote: Can anyone kick the tires on the u2ug website: mvScript Error The following error has been reported 1006þNo active connections available at this time Jeff Butera, Ph.D. Administrative Systems Hampshire College jbut...@hampshire.edu 413-559-5556 I'm just having a conversation with myself - it's about that time. Catherine Butera ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
