ugnet_: Muhoozi: seriously injured or oba what?
Netters, Has any one heard about Museveni's son Muhoozi's whereabouts? ySTOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Muhoozi: seriously injured or oba what?
Next ... y From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Muhoozi: seriously injured or oba what? Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:01:09 EST In a message dated 1/9/2004 8:52:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Netters, Has any one heard about Museveni's son Muhoozi's whereabouts? y He is said to be "absent". nursing hisbullet riddenlimbs somewhere Matek Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: PRESIDENT MUGAABE NOT WELL
Em, I wish Comrade Mugabe well. I liked what he did in DRC intervention. But I dslike what heand his hangers-on have put the Zimbabwean populace under economic and political duress. Why: he cannot even trust to gettreatment in his own country! African dictators like Mugabe and Museveni deserve no sympathy. yFrom: "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"Rwanda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ugnet_: PRESIDENT MUGAABE NOT WELL Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:21:46 -0500 President Mugabe collapsed at his house and air lifted to South African hospital Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels
Zakoomu R., I like a federal Ugandan state, but please do not bore us with what we already know.Your Items 1 to 4 (below) used to exist and were practiced until mad man Lt. Gen, Museveni came to power with his "Fundamental change" bull shit. Your 5th and 6th points are interesting, but again those are details to be ironed out in a fedral arrangement. First, change the constitution back to what it was in the the 1960's when, yes, Uganda was a federal state! yFrom: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Kabaka to Meet Sudan Elders Over LRA Rebels Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:07:37 -0800 (PST) Lupa-Lasaga: You've got a nice point here with your question:What is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda?Below are my contributions towards an answer. 1st. getting all districts under "regions" together at the round table and discuss their union and how they are going to make things work in their union. 2nd. getting regions (Busoga, Bunyoro, Acholi, Lango, W.Nile, Ankole, Tooro, Kigezi, etc) to form workable settings of their governing administrations (democratic cultural) within and around. 3rd. getting all regions together on the national table to discuss key issues of the federation.I refer you to the www.federo.com website for farther information. 4th. Democratic mult-partism in all regional states should be formed.Political parties should form branches in every region they want political participation in.Thus, DP-Bunyoro branches, CP-Acholi branches, NRM-O Busoga branches, etc... 5th.Political parties should contest in regional politics (democratic) and traditional / cultural posts should be left to be set through traditional customs and norms. The separation of democratic politics from cultural politics should emphasized even if both kinds of politics will at one point or the other get intertwined, They'll have to be separated, written in the law of the land. 6th.Regional politics should be separated from National politics by the law of the land, even if at one point or the other they'll get intertwined, we'll have to separate them.This is the avoid what some people called Buganda politics affecting National politics.This time around things have to be separated by the law. Continues next timeI'm waiting for your contributions. Zakoomu R. Vukoni Lupa-Lasaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Zakoomu, Now, I do happen to have expressed in various fora the view that I see a lot of merit in federalism. So, really, you're not telling me anything new. The crucial question is, what is the best strategy for bringing about federalism in Uganda? vukoni BTW, the bad news for those who are so obsessed with limiting Buganda's role in Ugandan politics, federalism may not be the magic wand they seek. In any case, I don't see how Buganda's demographic and geographic preponderance in national politics will go away under federalism. For the foreseeable future, (whether under a federal or unitary government) the Baganda will remain the single most populous nationality in Uganda. That reality will continue to be reflected in Uganda's political and cultural life. And I'd really really appreciate it if you took the time to spell my name correctly. At 07:34 PM 1/24/2004 -0800, you wrote: Lasanga: You wrote below, "It's just that demographically and geographically Buganda looms large in our politics." Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the demographic dominance of Buganda in Uganda politics?? My resolution to this demographic dominance is FEDERALISM to all regions of Uganda. What do you think, Lasanga?? Have you ever thought of how to put a balance to the geographic dominance of Buganda in Ugandan politics?? FEDERALISM is the solution. With each region holding power to decide its future, geographic dominance's impact will be reduced. Equal federal representation on the talking table will over look geographic dominance. What has caused this demographic and geographic dominance of Buganda in our politics?? Unitarism is the driving force behind this unfairness. Unitarism centralizes most of gov't resources towards its center (Buganda). We should not blame Buganda for Uganda's bloody past, we should put the blame on our gov'ts that have over and over again refused a federal arrangement for Uganda. Federalism will make sure that even if one region (Buganda) is wooed by false leaders like Obote and Museveni, the rest of the federation (Acholi, Lango, Bunyoro, Tooro, Ankole, Busoga, Kigezi, etc...) are not affected to the maximum they were when these false leaders make/made their woo-wooings. Zakoomu R. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online
RE: ugnet_: South Africa leading renaissance
Mitayo Potosi, Mbeki's so called "African renaissance" remains to be seen. It has been almost 4 years ago since he mouthed out the concept. Is Africa any better now? South Africa was supposed to lead the rest of sub-Saharan Africa to salvation. But underpresident Mbeki, there has been nothing but hell. In his own country, he let AIDS/HIV ravage the population, saying he neded proof about HIV causing AIDS oba something like that. What a son-of-a-bitch! In southern Africa he continues to baffle us with the Zimbabwe question: why support an almost senile dictator making his people suffer? In the rest of Africa, he does not say anything about the lack of democracy in states like Uganda, where dictator Museveni contunies to reign like Hitler. Mbeki, like his renaissance idea, is a failure to Africa! y From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: South Africa leading renaissance Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:06:58 + www.sharenews.com OPINION South Africa leading renaissance By PETER MADAKA Unemployment, poverty and lack of essential government services have replaced the insecurity and mayhem that until very recently reigned in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Not that the country itself is poor. According to a U.N. report regarding the conflict in the DRC, the abundance of natural resources has been the curse that has attracted foreign exploiters who in turn have funded the chaos to perpetuate the illegal exploitation of the country's resources. Yet, if all goes according to South African President Thambo Mbeki's plan, the natural resources of the DRC could become its blessing. Mbeki rode into Kinshasa last week leading a powerful delegation of seven Cabinet Ministers and 60 of South Africa's top private sector businesses in an effort to consolidate the South African-sponsored peace deal in the DRC with an infusion of meaningful and long-term economic investments. The visit, which comes on the heels of the African National Congress' launching of its own reelection bid, also carries a message for the rest of Africa that goes beyond the DRC. For President Mbeki-a firm believer in the African renaissance-the DRC could hold the key to Africa's social, economic and political rebirth. Mbeki believes that success in the DRC could be replicated elsewhere in Africa. This is a message he was eager to deliver to Congolese lawmakers last week. "Without peace in the DRC we cannot have an African renaissance," Mbeki declared. This message is important, accompanying a heavy purse from the leader of a government that is not only sponsoring the peace but the desire and enough resources to help the Congolese economy turn around. Until recently, numerous invaders crossed the nine borders of the DRC to exploit its resources, most notably from Rwanda, Uganda, Zimbabwe and South Africa. It is therefore welcome news that South Africa is leading a team of legitimate investors to Africa's largest and wealthiest country. While there is no doubt that the much needed South African commitment will bring stability across the continent and spin-offs from these investments could spark positive developments elsewhere on the continent, it may well be naïve to expect South African capital to behave more humanely and more sensitively to Africa's environmental and labour needs than their Western counterparts. Evidently, citizens of the DRC have been here before. They have seen international investors come and go, only to fatten Congo's former President Mobutu's personal holdings at their (the citizens') expense. Can citizens in the DRC expect South African capital to behave any differently? Mbeki's visit could not have come at a better time. Today, one-third of DRC's civil servants are unpaid. Corruption is on the rise and war-weary soldiers are becoming increasingly restive as poverty festers in the countryside. As things are, the Kabila government is too fragmented and shaky to exert respectable authority. A shrunken revenue base that is struggling to support much needed services further exacerbates the situation. But, turning to foreign investment, even if it is South African, has its risks. Just how responsive are South African entrepreneurs likely to be to the needs of the government and war-weary peasants of the DRC? Among the latest South African arrivals in Kinshasa are Mvelephande Holdings and Afrimineral Holdings which have already signed a memorandum of understanding with the DRC for investments worth an estimated R60 billion or the equivalent of US$8 billion over the next decade. Siemens South Africa has already signed a $50-million contract with the national electricity board of the DRC to install 35,000 electricity connections in the country. Siemens, with several partners, including Eskom, is also involved in the rehabilitation of Inga One and Two electricity
RE: ugnet_: The Dark Side of the Outsourcing Revolution
In dictator Museveni's Uganda, the 'best' education is the military one -- how to use AK47, etc., at Kyankwazi! y From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: undisclosed-recipients: ; Subject: ugnet_: The Dark Side of the Outsourcing Revolution Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:27:06 + The Outsourcing Revolution. India now produces 60% more engineers and scientists than the USA. And what scares the shit out of the USA is that they are even smarter. Over 7 years ago we were crying here on this net, to Hon J NKuuhe and our very beloved Higher Education Minister, Hon Dr Abel Rwendeire, to change/overhaul Uganda's curricula. i.e. 1. Introduce Triple Maths in all schools - including 'Discrete Maths'. 2. Throw away the old crazy Biology where teaching was that "a tree consists of three parts: the leaves, the stem and the roots", and replace it with a new Biology that prepares students for the new world of molecular Biology. 3. Introduce basic computer science. 4. Get the whole country, from m7 downwards to zero in on this National effort. I sent them Canadian up-to-date syllabi for Maths, Bio, Comp Sc, etc to compare with. I even sent some to Teachers' college - Kyambogo. But the Church/Mosque wanted more timetable slots for religion instead. They made Hon Rwendeire a political liability to m7, and he was moved from Education to Industry. Now we hear Uganda is banking on sending all her children to go abroad to wash latrines - 'kyeyo'. As was mentioned then, with an exceptionally trained workforce, tons of jobs and billions of $ willalways flow to Uganda. It is still true today. Maybe it is time to take stock and see how we are doing!! Mitayo Potosi AlterNet headlines. Share them. Forward them to your family, friends and co-workers, or sign them up for a free subscription: http://lists.alternet.org/headlines The Dark Side of the Outsourcing Revolution By Naeem Mohaiemen, AlterNet January 25, 2004 Two years ago, I lost my credit card on a trip. Dialing the American Express 800 number, I asked the polite customer rep to read the list of recent charges. As she went through each charge, I noticed something familiar about the way she said words like "Duane Reade" and "Blockbuster." "Excuse me," I interrupted. "Where are you?" "Oh, we're the American Express Call Center in Bangalore, India," she replied. Over the coming months, I started noticing this phenomenon more often. When I called AOL trying to cancel my account for the fifth time, the helpful woman giving instructions was in India. Palm Pilot's "Level 1" help desk seemed to be in America, but when they were stymied and bumped me to "Level 2," an unmistakably Indian voice came on. Recently, I even started getting sales calls hawking credit cards from India. A few months back, a new pattern began to emerge. Suddenly, the customer service reps weren't eager to divulge where they were from. "Oh, we're not allowed to disclose location," said one nervous voice. It was very cloak and dagger. Maybe it's some new security measure, I thought to myself. Then the New York Times article, titled "We're From Bangalore (But We're Not Allowed To Tell You)" revealed all. Indian call centers now had to acquire American accents and generic Anglo names, displaying a new-found nervousness in the face of an incipient backlash: Dell was closing its Indian call center in the face of protests; New Jersey was trying to pass a bill blocking outsourcing to India; and an angry Indiana politician huffed, "I represent Indiana, not India!" All Roads Lead to India India is at the red-hot center of the Outsourcing Revolution. Thirty percent of all new Information Technology (IT) work for U.S. companies is now done abroad, mostly in India. McKinsey Consulting estimated that three countries received $20 billion in outsourcing revenue from the U.S. in 2002: Ireland ($8.3 billion), India ($7.7 billion) and Canada ($3.7 billion). Analysts forecast that by 2008 Indian IT services and back-office support will grow to a $57 billion a year industry with four million workers. International multinationals have had offices in India for almost a decade, and they include Morgan Stanley, Citigroup, Intel, IBM, Cisco, Motorola, HP, Oracle, Yahoo, Ernst Young, HSBC, and, of course, the trailblazer in "discovering" India, Microsoft. But Indian offices whose main business is outsourced work from the U.S. are a relatively new phenomenon. Recent high profile firms include MphasiS, which processed tax returns of 20,000 Americans this year (analysts predict that 200,000 U.S. tax returns will be processed in India next year). Then there is OfficeTiger, which employs 1,200 people to do research and analysis for eight Wall
RE: ugnet_: WHY DO PEOPLE SNORE?
Thank you, J Ssemakula. Admittedly, I snore that's why I was so interested in this article. y From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: WHY DO PEOPLE SNORE? Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:42:39 + MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*Sorry, something went wrong. Here is the article: Why do people snore? G. AlvaradoIligan City, Philippines Lynn A. D'Andrea, a sleep specialist at the University of Michigan Medical School, explains. Snoring is the sound produced by vibrating structures of the upper airway, typically during inhalation. Any membranous part of the airway lacking cartilaginous support, including the tongue, soft palate, uvula, tonsillar pillars and pharyngeal walls, can vibrate. When you sleep, muscle tone throughout your body decreases, or becomes hypotonic. This relaxation of the upper airway muscles during sleep may decrease the size of the airway space and cause airflow limitation and turbulence. It is the combination of turbulent airflow through the hypotonic airway structures that results in the harsh vibratory noise known as snoring. Snoring is not an illness, but it is a symptom. Just as a cough can be a symptom of pneumonia, snoring can be a symptom of obstructive sleep apnea. Obstructive sleep apnea is a disorder characterized by snoring, labored breathing and repetitive obstructed pauses or gasps in a persons breathing during sleep. The obstructed pauses result from complete obstruction or blockage of the airway and may be associated with decreases in oxygen levels. Typically, the obstruction is terminated by an arousalthat is, the snorer briefly wakes up--leading to fragmented, less restful sleep. Obstructive sleep apnea can cause excessive daytime sleepiness, decreased attention and poor concentration, and decreased energy levels. The consequences of these behavioral problems can be quite severe and include motor vehicle accidents if a sufferer becomes inattentive or falls asleep while driving. Obstructive sleep apnea is also causally related to vascular complications such as hypertension. Snor ing without evidence of obstructive sleep apnea may be an independent risk factor for hypertension and the daytime behavioral problems mentioned above, but how snoring alone causes problems remains unknown. The reported prevalence of snoring varies, and depends on the population studied and the wording of the questionnaire. Data from the Wisconsin Sleep Cohort Study found that 44 percent of all men surveyed and 28 percent of all women surveyed were habitual snorers. Overall, 4 percent of these men and 2 percent of these women had snoring that was associated with obstructive sleep apnea. Furthermore, the prevalence of snoring and obstructive sleep apnea seems to increase with age, especially after 65 years of age. Additional risk factors associated with the development of snoring include weight gain, alcohol consumption, allergies, nasal obstruction, use of muscle relaxants or sedatives, and smoking. Snoring remedies run the gamut from simple, noninvasive devices that open the nasal passages to more invasive surgical procedures. An external nasal dilator, the Breathe RightR brand nasal strip, enhances nasal breathing by attaching to the outside of the nose like a bandage, and gently lifting and opening the nasal passages. A common observation suggests that snoring improves if the person sleeps on his side or in a semi-upright position rather than on his back. To encourage this position, many snorers have tried solutions ranging from sewing a tennis ball to the back of pajamas to propping up on wedge-shaped pillows. Other noninvasive ways to reduce snoring include losing weight, avoiding alcohol and sedatives, and managing any allergic symptoms. Smoking may lead to airway inflammation and swelling that can further narrow the upper airway, thus smoking cessation may improve snoring. Oral appliances and nasal continuous positive airway pressure (nCPAP) devices are mechanical apparatuses that act to prevent the tongue and soft palate from collapsing back into the upper airway. Finally, surgery--previously performed with a scalpel and now with a laser--removes some of the vibratory tissues from the back of the airway. Success rates for this procedure are reported to range from 50 percent to 100 percent, although it is described as quite painful. Snoring also occurs in children. Researchers have found that 20 percent of normal children snore occasionally and 7 percent to 10 percent of children snore every night. In many cases, children who snore are perfectly healthy, but about 1 percent of children who snore have obstructive sleep apnea. Children with sleep apnea may snore at night and exhibit decreased attention during the day. There is also concern that children with sleep apnea have symptoms similar to those children diagnosed with attention-deficit
ugnet_: Museveni speaks on Abia attack
Where " ... At least 47 civilians died ..,", dictator Museveni says "... It was not a massacre a massacre means killing defenceless people... whereas people in camps do not live very comfortably, they are still alive, their children go to school and theyget relief food and other items however modest If their conditions were unbearable, they would have got out. They are not in prison," ...". These and other statements belowsure suck!! In civilized democracies, the president and commader-in-chief of the UPDF would have resigned. But the dictator instead calls this ".. not a massacre ...". It seems, the only massacre he will acknowledge is whenhis own family is kiiled!! y Museveni speaks on Abia attack (The MOnitor)By Frank NyakairuFeb 9, 2004KAMPALA - Last week's attack on a camp for the internally displaced in Lirain which about 47 people died was not a massacre, President Museveni hassaid."It was not a massacre as Mr Pike put it," the President said at theweekend.He was speaking to the editors in chief of The Monitor and The New Vision,Mr Wafula Oguttu and Mr William Pike, whom he invited to State House,Nakasero, on Saturday.Mr Museveni wanted to make a clarification on the incident, which he saidwas not presented accurately by the media.At least 47 civilians died in Thursday's gruesome attack by the rebel Lord'sResistance Army on Abia internally displaced persons camp.The camp is located in Moroto County, 25km north of Lira town. On Friday,the Vision carried a report on the incident with a ba nner headline reading,Massacre.Museveni said a massacre means killing defenceless people. He said the Amukamilitia fought gallantly and repulsed the bandits, as he called the JosephKony-led rebels.Museveni said it was during the fighting that some innocent civilians werekilled.The President was particularly concerned that the media did not bring outthe "vital and commendable role played" by the militia in resisting therebel attack.In his statement to the two media chiefs, Museveni criticised the UPDF areacommanders for the mistakes made before and during the attack. He said theUPDF made two big mistakes.Mistake number one, he said, was for the commanders to send off the Amukamilitia on a lone mission to search for the rebels.He said all the commanders know that searching for rebels is the work of theUPDF.The militia fighters are supposed to guard the rear and the roads. Mistakenumber two, he added, was that after the militia fighters sighted thebandits in Akwanga sub-county, they immediately informed the UPDF.The latter, however, did not respond as expected, the commander in chiefsaid. Instead the militia had to fight the enemy alone, he said.It was after the battle at Akwanga, he said, that the rebels moved to attackthe Abia camp.The President said that as a result of these "obvious" mistakes committed bythe UPDF, the Army Commander, Maj. Gen. Aronda Nyakairima, set up a board ofinquiry into the incident.The army commander also attended the Saturday briefing together with theMinister of State for Information, Mr Nsaba Buturo.Museveni said the offensive against the Kony fighters was going on verywell.Most of their senior commanders, he said, have been killed by the army inrecent encounters reducing their estimated force to about 400 men split ineight groups.He said five groups under Kony, Otti, Abudema, Banya and Kapere are in Sudanwhile three groups under the overall command of Odhiambo are still roamingnorthern Uganda.The President said that Odhiambo is the next rebel commander UPDF is goingto kill.Asked why government was not giving sufficient relief support to the campsfor the displaced, Museveni said that whereas people in camps do not livevery comfortably, they are still alive, their children go to school and theyget relief food and other items however modest."If their conditions were unbearable, they would have got out. They are notin prison," Museveni said. On the peace initiative, the President said hehas done everything possible.Museveni said that, at the request of the Carter Centre, he even wrote apeace letter to Kony guaranteeing the safety of the rebels if theysurrendered.The letter was later delivered to Kony in person at Situ in Sudan by one offormer US President Jimmy Carter's men involved in the peace negotiations.Nyakairima informed the President that the said letter was found on the bodyof rebel commander Yardin Tolbert Nyeko, who was killed on January 19, atWii-Lacic in Aruu County in Pader district.The President said LRA were not serious about the peace talks. He said thosewho wish to keep trying the peace initiative should do so as he continueshis work on the military front.[Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Empuuta
What is the scientific name of Uganda's "Emputa" or Nile perch? y From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Empuuta Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:16:37 + STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*---BeginMessage--- Call to patent Nile perch fishBy Martin Luther OketchFeb 10 - 16, 2003 KAMPALA - Fish processors in East African countries have called on their governments to patent the Nile Perch. A girl admires a Nile Perch fish. If patented, processors expect better returns and protection (File Photo).Fish processors from Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania want this fish species to be registered regionally and globally in the name of Victoria Perch. The proposed registration will be raised at the next East African Customs Union meeting this month. If it is registered as native to this region under the World Trade Organisation, regional fish producers could have a trade advantage. Currently fish processors fear that China, Thailand and Egypt are trying to cultivate the Nile Perch. Mr Sliver Ojaakol, a senior commercial trade officer at the ministry of Tourism, Trade and Industry, told The Monitor on February 4 that the fish processors have written to their respective ministries asking for the fish to be registered. This is because the species have got distinctive character (taste) in nature in the whole world but it is at the verge of being encroached on by some countries (who) want to produce the same fish through scientific means, Ojaakol said. A geographical indication indicates that a product is from a particular place and possesses particular qualities because of that. For example, France has a geographical indication for champagne, which is produced in the part of the country of the same name. He said the ministry of Tourism, Trade and Industry has welcomed the move by the private sector but warned that the process would be expensive. For the process to succeed, the quality and quantity needs to be harmonised across the region. Similarly, there are proposals to patent ripe banana (ndizi) and grass hoppers (nsenene). © 2004 The Monitor Publications Keep up with high-tech trends here at "Hook'd on Technology." This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: ON OBOTE, UPC AND UGANDA
Mulindwa, Reads like Mr. Ssemakula just went bananas!!!Not sure how long the recovery will be. yFrom: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: ON OBOTE, UPC AND UGANDA Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:48:46 -0500 That is why I keep quit, for such argument is either hollow or just plain stupid. Em - Original Message - From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:05 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: ON OBOTE, UPC AND UGANDA Mr. Oracha, While it is true that Obote inherited a fairly proseprous country at independence with a good infra-structure -- by African standards; we should not forget that he proceeded to drive it into the ground, nearly on all fronts, at a fast clip. (Before you fire off one of your knee-jerk responses, bear in mind that there are historical records available of what we had at independence.) Obote did not kill "Bagandans". Really? What happened to the Kisubi boys? What happened at Nakulabye? What happened when he and his chum Amin, invaded our Kabakka's Lubiri at Mmengo? What happened to all those "Bagandans", and others, he picked up in daily panda gari swoops? What happened in the so-called Luweero-Trangle?, etc, etc, etc. ssemakula Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: ON OBOTE, UPC AND UGANDA Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:00:45 EST There are a lot of lies attributed to Dr. Obote with the intent of making him hated by people. The main aim is to exclude him from the political leadership in the country. Obote has not killed Bagandans but there was a clash between the central government and the Kabaka in which Kabaka forcibly attempted to chase away the central government from Kampala and Buganda. many people who were alive then remember the blocking of roads with logs and other obstacles to defeat the central government. While some would rejoice at the loss of life many people of principle regret such losses. The people who died were Ugandans. Obote attempted at all costs to unite the people of Uganda on the principle that all were created equal. Most of his thinking are summed up in the common charter which enable all Ugandans to feel part of one and fair country. Others saw this as taking away their privileges and so they started labeling Dr. Obote as anti Baganda. Fortunately, only a few people in Buganda have this mentality. Unfortunately, they suppress the other open minded people in the region. Not all Baganda share the same view or subscribe to and submit to the Kabaka. This is normal in any society. So if Dr. Obote is not popular why be afraid of him in an election? Obote has done more for Uganda than any other leader for the short time he was in power. The medical system was a wonder in many parts of Africa. The education system was excellent and the infrastructure was very good. The words that come out that man's mouth galvanizes and motivates people. UPC like any organizations, has some undesirable elements. But that is not Obote. It takes time to straighten the crooked members of any society. Now whenever Museveni stands on the podium, he finds himself so bereft of ideas that he thinks the problem is Dr. Obote. Obote's ghost is everywhere haunting the usurpers of Ugandan's freedom. There is only one way to get rid of Obote and his ghost: Speak a message of unity, bring development everywhere especially the forgotten north respect human lives. You will have successfully got rid of DR. Obote. JOracha -- Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin
Rehema Mukooza, How soon you forget! Dictator Museveni gave 50 cows toKabaka Mutebi sometime ago: I believe it was just before or after the presidential elections of 2001? Was that not bribery?? y From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 21:50:53 -0800 (PST) Yaobang, Buying Obote for what??Obote can not function at his age!He is of no use to any thinking Ugandan who is looking forward to the future.The Kabaka will never be "bought"; he stays, president after president.Who ever thinks so, is indeed misguided and misinformed, like Obote.You can never ever buy a Kabaka. Obote tried it once, when he offered money to the Ankole, Bunyoro, Tooro, and Busoga monarchies in order to ban them real good, but the Kabaka of Buganda refused and he was exiled.Obote even wanted to chose who among the princes should take over after Kabaka Muteesa was exiled.Wrong decision - Poor, stupid, Obote! My advice to the anti-Kabaka camps is that, the monarchy of Buganda shall exist no matter what.The monarchy has already proved resilient towards blows (Obote, Amin).People, ya'll better use that energy of yours on something else and leave the Kabaka alone.The Kabaka has us regular folks to back him up no matter what.That is how strong an alliagence can be to our King(s), present and future. Some politicians like Obote, Museveni might think that they are "buying" the Kabaka, but in reality they are to move out and our Prince (Kabaka) is to stay in.A monarchy is a monarchy, unlike seasonal political leadership i.e Obote, Mu7.Mr. Yaobang, come up with a better example of folks being 'bought' by cows or money.I don't know why you people don't understand that Buganda and her Kabakaship are inseparatable."Buying" something that will never go away, that has always existed is a sick example of how some Ugandans will never get it. Zakoomu R. Y Yaobang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: J Ssemakula, Unlike your Kabaka, Obote cannot be bought with 25 cows, or any other bribe! y From: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:59:09 + - Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From: "J Ssemakula" To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:59:09 + Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin By Patrick Opio PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has donated 25 heifers to the family of exiled former president Milton Obotes brother, Obadiah Akaki. Akaki, 80, Obotes elder brother said he received the cows through state minister for wildlife and antiquities Jovino Akaki-Ayumu, his clansman. He said in an interview at his home at Abeibuti village, Akokoro sub-county, Apac, recently that the cattle provide him with plenty of milk. He said he supplies the milk to the local community for money. My family now harvests a good amount of milk daily. We consume part of it and sell the rest to people in the neighbourhood, he said. Museveni gave Akaki sh10m when he visited his home in September 9, 2000. He then promised to donate heifers for milk production to the family. Akaki said Museveni sent drugs for the animals. He said the district veterinary officers help him control vectors such as tsetse flies and ticks by reg ularly spraying and dipping the animals. He praised minister Akaki-Ayumu for linking him with Museveni. With Akakis efforts, Museveni was able to visit us and consequently donated money and cattle to the family, Obadiah said. Ends Published on: Thursday, 4th March, 2004 - Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster. The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin
J. Ssenyange: Dictator Museveni is a very crafty son-of-a-bitch. He invites the Kabaka to rwakitura, pays for all his expenses to come to rwakitura(central government expense), gives him the 50 cows, and then later, bang!-- he SPITS on the Kabaka: the dictator warned the Kabaka not to meddle in politics, and to leave itto "us the bakopi". Remember? He does that all the time to all the inept political opportunists who cross his path, including, unfortunately,your Mutebi II. y From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 16:54:25 -0500 Mulindwa, By simple logic, If I know that you want to come ( visit) to my home to beg, I WILL BE VERY STUPID TO SEND YOU LIMOS AND HELICOPTORS TO TRANSPORT YOU TO MY HOME AND BACK. In other words, It would be very stupid of Mu7 to transport Kabaka by presidential helicoptors to Rwakitura if the purpose of the visit is known to be begging. Lastly, who requests for a visit? Kabaka or Mu7? J. Ssenyange -- From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 20:56:00 -0500 But why does Kabaka go to Rwakitura to beg? The very nonsense I do not respond to. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: ssenya nyange To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Yaobang, How does Kabaka come into your equation? Kabaka does not beg or request for your information. Who ever wants to donate will donate freely. Who ever does not want to donate is not requested by Kabaka to donate. However, his subjects and officials can request for donations to help Kabaka's projects. His assets alone generate more revenue than the president's "official" income. The difference is that Kabaka wants to share it with his subjects unlike Mu7 who wants to "milk" his subjects without "feeding" them.Mu7 gave those cows to Kabaka as gifts just like any other Ugandan. Even non Ugandans ( e.g Bazungu) have been pictured in newspapers kneeling while donating to Kabaka ( after marrying Baganda women) as a sign of respect to the Institution of Kabakaship. All this is done to show respect to the Instituion of Kabakaship which is represented by Mutebi 11, ( not to Mutebi as a person). GET THE DIFFERENCE. Ssenyange -- From: "Y Yaobang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 02:17:10 + message3.txt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN Premium http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines -- J Ssemakula, Unlike your Kabaka, Obote cannot be bought with 25 cows, or any other bribe! y From: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 01:59:09 + -- Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives ...
ns).This murderer Museveni saw the civilians as people who were getting in his way, so he ordered for their slaughter.Up to now, Luwero people want Museveni to pay for their financial losses (including blood) by financially supporting the living since the dead are already dead.Money can not pay for a life, but the living have got to continue living.Living is supported by money, you go and figure this one out. Ever since Buganda witnessed both Obote and Museveni's murderous nature, we decided to go back on survival 101; you've got to work with the enemy whether you like it or not!You can call Buganda names like Uganda sellers etc, but that does not change the fact that Obote murdered people. Once again, Buganda is to play her part.Buganda can not avoid interacting with presidents in power.Buganda's capital is Uganda's capital city.How can they avoid each other??You can slip into fantasia but I'll not go with you.The colonialists could not avoid interacting with Buganda, the dictators of Uganda can not either. My dear, I want to bring you back to reality. GOD WILL NOT STOP THEM (murderer Mu7).Let us bring back federalism in Uganda and empower regions to make decisions on their security matters. Under this unitary system, the central gov't will continue to declare some northern regions not disaster areas.Yet in a federal system, the Acholi or Lango states can declare their areas, disaster regions and protect themselves.Today, the Arrow/Amuka boys are not paid for their services and they why they lack moral. Under federalism, the states of Acholi and Lango can easily pay the Arrow/Amuka boys because these states can actually collect taxes and boost their security. Lisa, come up with better cases!This business of you wishing on God to come down and make a miracle, yet God gave humans power to decide over their destiny is indeed foolish!Wake up!Support Federalism for All!And let me remind you that Obote killed federalism, we need to start from scratch now. Zakoomu R. Lisa Toro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Yaobang and others, How many cows did the Misevenis and NRA take from Dr. Obote's home when they killed his frail father? How many did they takes from Obote's relatives and indeed the whole area plus district!. You will be more stupid to say it is 25 Cows.Infact they are harrassing and intimidating the Obotes brother then shout that they gave 25 blood cows! Those NRM vultures NEVER GET ENOUGH, ONLY GOD WILL STOP THEM. Rehema Mukoozawhatever garbage you are talking about, some of us including Obote have always mean well for the future of Ugandans but your are busy digging future holes! But then again Ugandan sellers have always perferred to work with colonialist , imperialist etc etc and once more they have to keep the system going. Toro - Original Message - From: Rehema Mukooza To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 5:50 AM Subject: RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Yaobang, Buying Obote for what??Obote can not function at his age!He is of no use to any thinking Ugandan who is looking forward to the future.The Kabaka will never be "bought"; he stays, president after president.Who ever thinks so, is indeed misguided and misinformed, like Obote.You can never ever buy a Kabaka. Obote tried it once, when he offered money to the Ankole, Bunyoro, Tooro, and Busoga monarchies in order to ban them real good, but the Kabaka of Buganda refused and he was exiled.Obote even wanted to chose who among the princes should take over after Kabaka Muteesa was exiled.Wrong decision - Poor, stupid, Obote! My advice to the anti-Kabaka camps is that, the monarchy of Buganda shall exist no matter what.The monarchy has already proved resilient towards blows (Obote, Amin).People, ya'll better use that energy of yours on something else and leave the Kabaka alone.The Kabaka has us regular folks to back him up no matter what.That is how strong an alliagence can be to our King(s), present and future. Some politicians like Obote, Museveni might think that they are "buying" the Kabaka, but in reality they are to move out and our Prince (Kabaka) is to stay in.A monarchy is a monarchy, unlike seasonal political leadership i.e Obote, Mu7.Mr. Yaobang, come up with a better example of folks being 'bought' by cows or money.I don't know why you people don't understand that Buganda and her Kabakaship are inseparatable."Buying" something that will never go away, that has always existed is a sick example of how some Ugandans will never get it. Zakoomu R. Y Yaobang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: J Ssemakula, Unlike your Kabaka, Obote cannot be bought with 25 cows, or any other bribe! y From: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECT
RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives
J. Ssenyange, I do respect the institution of the Kabaka of Buganda, and I do hope that one day real power is returned to it. But, dont expect to get it back from dictator Museveni. y From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives .\ yaobang Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 21:33:09 -0500 MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: RE: Museveni Gives ...
Zakoomu R., Why dont you go suck on a lemon. y From: Rehema Mukooza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: RE:Museveni Gives ... Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 01:42:59 -0800 (PST) Yaobang: Whose future is Ssenyange ruinning??Buganda's??Is UPC planning on a revenge attack on Buganda in the future.UPC will never forget and so will Buganda.This is reason anough for Buganda to view UPC as an enemy and put her guards up!A future strategy is in place as we speak!Buganda shall never allow any genocide to happen on the mother soil ever again. Zakoomu R. Y Yaobang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: J. Ssenyange, From what I'm told, you are a very smart man. Why do you spew shit like this, in support of Museveni? Museveni will die, why do you want to ruin your future with such statements? We'll forgive, but we will never forget! y From: "ssenya nyange" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 17:15:40 -0500 Mulindwa, Just continue giving your vote to your man OBOTE. He will continue ruling you even in exile, by sustaining you with frequent hand outs. FORGET ABOUT OBOTE RULING BUGANDA\ UGANDA AGAIN. J. Ssenyange From: "Edward Mulindwa" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: , Subject: ugnet_: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 09:41:40 -0500 Buganda can never move ahead again until when Uganda gets a nationalistic president as Obote, who develops all Uganda areas equally. Does Uganda have a chance to get such a leader again today? No not on a nation which has Ssebagala as the best out there to look at. The developments in Buganda including Hospitals, Schools, job creation on and on stopped at the exit of Obote from Uganda politics. One can not help but wonder how Buganda has even failed to clear her own roads of Bulungi Bwansi, a project they would even do by their own hoes. What value is Mengo? Em - Original Message - From: Lisa Toro To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Rehema Mukooza . Present me the evidence, that is howsome of you Bagandans conieved with Museveni in Killing you own Kayirra in the name of elections were rigged! you are so blind that you only sport a goat from a far and not see an hayena at your foot !!! . The Baganda peasantry should takes control and su[pport of thier Kingdom and destinyrather than leaving it to some of this opportunists beatting thier seasonal drums to any order of the day and claiming latter they are not part of it. Your are squarely responsible for impossing Museveni and the NRA/M killers on Banganda and Ugandans with all the blood let, take responsiblility. The sooner the kingdom and the peasantry weed out these flees the sooner Buganda and Uganda will move a head. Toro - Original Message - From: Rehema Mukooza To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 4:31 AM Subject: [Ugandacom] Re: Museveni Gives 25 Cows To Obote Kin Toro: Some of you including Obote have never always meant well for the future of Uganda.What is the future of Uganda??May I ask? Obote has never worked for the future of democracy in Uganda.He banned political parties and ridged elections.I want you to be sensible enough to acknowledge that.Do not let your imagination run wild! Museveni and his NRA are thugs and murderers, any sensible person knows that.There is nothing new you are informing me about the dictator in charge today! What "future holes" am I digging by speaking the truth about Obote??What actually do you mean by that??Should I take the "future holes" for a future revenge against Buganda and her Kingdom??I personaly, think that this kind of garbage you are blutting out is indeed a product of denial and lack of focus on real issues. If you knew better than you know now, you would find out who is truelly digging the future holes you are talking about.He is none other than the thug, Museveni!He has made enemies out of our neighbors surrounding Uganda and in Uganda.Blame Museveni, do not even start with me, or Buganda and her Kabaka. Now, let me teach you about some things in history and life as in general.The colonialist or imperialists came to Buganda with their big guns and shit.Buganda had no choice but to work with these armed imperialists because they possed a real, dangerous threat to our ancenstors. Survival 101; you've got to work with the enemy whether you like it or not.Buganda was not ready to sacrifice itself to be slaughtered
RE: ugnet_: Dogs Eat Barlonyo Remains- New Vision 17/3/2004
Dear Ugandan human beings, Why do we Ugandanslet Museveni and his dogs do this to our fellow Ugandans? Sick!!! y From: Omar Kezimbira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Dogs Eat Barlonyo Remains- New Vision 17/3/2004 Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:12:20 -0800 (PST) Dogs Eat Barlonyo Remains SHAME: (Top) a skull and (above) a rib cage of the dead lying exposed on the ground By Ali Mao in Lira THE dead in Barlonyo are not resting in peace. Four commissioners from the Human Rights Commission last Saturday struggled to control their tears on seeing dogs eating decomposing bodies. The commissioners, who were on a spot assessment of internally displaced persons (IDP) camps in the north, arrived at Barlonyo in time to witness a dozen dogs feeding on rotting human limbs. It was a rare chance in the hot afternoon when over 10 dogs were roaming the place as they carried away bones of the victims of the February 21 LRA rebel massacre in Barlonyo in Erute in Lira. Many families fled and the dead were hurriedly buried by the army in shallow graves from where the dogs dug up the bones. Soon after the massacre, controversy erupted about the number of the dead. Pathologists exhumed 143 bodies in a bid to establish the exact number. The Pathologists later wrapped the bodies in polythene bags and placed them in army trenches to await a decent burial promised by the Government. When the UHRC team visited, the hungry canines took off, leaving skeletons littered all over the compound as the commissioners arrived at the scene. Lira deputy RDC Sylvestor Opira yesterday said the inquiry into the massacre had not been completed. But we have to make sure the remains are kept properly. As soon as the report is released, there will be a decent burial, he said. Erute north MP Charles Angiro Gutomoi said on phone that they asked the army to protect the abandoned camp but they had failed to do so. When we met President Yoweri Museveni at his camp in Okwang sub-county, he told us he would call the state minister for disaster preparedness over the matter, he said. Disaster preparedness ministers Moses Ali and Christine Amongin could not be reached for comment. Angiro said, The Government seems to be slow in deciding yet this is its responsibility. Unless something is done immediately to rebury the remains of the Barlonyo dead in deeper graves, they will find nothing because the dogs are really working on the bodies, UHRC spokesperson Justus Muhanguzi said. The team looked disturbed by the sight of human bones littered in the burnt-out area. Ends Published on: Wednesday, 17th March, 2004 Email this article to a friend. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: NaijaPolitics not wanted on UgandaNet
Anyomokolo, One day, you'll find yourself disconnected, dont be suprised. There was a great debate here, yeson this Ugandanet, about me being disconnected. But sound minds,including The Monitor's Onyango-Obbo's (I dont like many of his writings), prevailed and I'm still on. Remember that Kiggundu is a businessman, where does he get the time/money to maintain Ugandanet? Hang in there, dear. y From: Anyomokolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: NaijaPolitics not wanted on UgandaNet Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:13:20 -0500 (EST) Kiggundu Mukasa, so you are the moderator of Ugandanet. Wow! Most administrators don't like me, except that of acholinet. Do you ever read what I post on Ugandanet? If yes, what do you think about my postings? I would appreciate it very much if you respond. I don't want to wake up one morning and find that my membership Ugandanet has been terminated. Anyomokolo. Kiggundu Mukasa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been trying to stop this for a while. Could the person who is trying to subscribe UgandaNet to NaijaPolitics please stop it!! The suspects are the usuall people who cross post to those lists. If UgandaNet does not stop receiving Naija posts then I shall unsubscibe all list members who have ever cross-posted to the Naija list. That way they can stay on the Naija list they love and leave us on UgandaNet. You have 2 days before you start getting unsubscribed. UgandaNet List Administrator On Mar 23, 2004, at 3:33 AM, x xx wrote: List Admin: Plase save Ugandanet from the deluge of mail from NaijaPolitics. Thank you, Xxx xxx. From: Yahoo!Groups [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 20, 2004 11:22:10 PM GMT+03:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please confirm your request to join NaijaPolitics Reply-To: confirm-s2-A4NM7ktbmqnKX8E2fNSKEDqa1no-ugandanet- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], We have received your request to join the NaijaPolitics group hosted by Yahoo! Groups, a free, easy-to-use community service. This request will expire in 7 days. TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE GROUP: 1) Go to the Yahoo! Groups site by clicking on this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/i?i=A4NM7ktbmqnKX8E2fNSKEDqa1noe=ugandanet- outgoing%40orion%2Ekym%2Enet (If clicking doesn't work, "Cut" and "Paste" the line above into your Web browser's address bar.) -OR- 2) REPLY to this email by clicking "Reply" and then "Send" in your email program If you did not request, or do not want, a membership in the NaijaPolitics group, please accept our apologies and ignore this message. Regards, Yahoo! Groups Customer Care Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ * Kiggundu Mukasa # Computer Network Consultancy### KYM-NET LTD. # Intranets Internet Solutions# Plot 80 Kanjokya Street P.O. Box 24284 Kampala, Uganda Tel: +256 77 972255 +256 71 221141 Fax: +256 31 262122 * - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: MUSEVENI's SS (as in Hiltler's SS) or Sadam's Republican Guards = 10,000 PGB
Kids, Listen up. My sources tell me that the PGB strength is real, and that its soldiers get preferential treatment compared to the rag-tag regular UPDF. But remember what happened to Mobutu's presaidential brigade? The same fate faces the PGB! And, by the way talking about the PGB, where is Major Kaneirugaaba, Museveeni's son, still recovering from the wounds? He is not in Soroti anymore, I know that, or is he? y From: Rehema Mukooza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: MUSEVENI's "SS" (as in Hiltler's SS) or Sadam's "Republican Guards" = 10,000 PGB Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:57:51 -0800 (PST) Nagadya: That's a very good question.The odds are there especially when we hear that State House, Entebbe needs US $77millions for renovation.The possibility of these odds are even higher when we hear that the State House is asking to have an Office of the First Lady, requesting for funds direct from the Uganda Treasury!They even raise more when we hear about the huge State House budget.These odds skyrock when we hear of 'ghosts' in the UPDF. Personally, I don't know if there are 'ghosts' in the Presidental Guard Brigade.We shall all find out when this information becomes available to us.10,000 guards and heavy arms for just one man!!! Zakoomu M. Mary Nagadya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are the odds that at least 50% of these are 'ghost' guards? --- --- Rehema Mukooza wrote: Matek: Why would Museveni's brigade have 6,000 to 7,000 soldiers more than a normal brigade?? And why is this brigade doing the army job?? It is supposed to stick to protecting the president alone. In case, and this is only in case, if Mu7 leaves power in 2006, who is going to take care of this huge brigade?? 6,000 to 7,000 soldiers will have to be dessolved into the Uganda Army after this dictator. My take is that he is not going to leave power any time soon! His empire is crumbling and that's why he needs all this extra protection. You are right to compare Mu7's PGB to Hitler's SS and Sadam's Republican Guards. These dictators are insecure and hence a need for all these soldiers, just protecting one man and maybe his family. This is insane and a wastage of donor and taxpayers' money! Zakoomu M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Museveni has 10,000 guards By David Kibirige March 24, 2004 Gets modern weaponsENTEBBE – The presidential brigade is about 10,000 men strong, military experts say.This is about 7,000 to 6,000 soldiers more than a normal brigade, they add.Army spokesman Maj. Shaban Bantariza declined to establish the exact military strength of the Presidential Guard Brigade.He however, defended its size.“The number has to be big because of the formation. The Presidential Guard Brigade (PGB) is independent of other divisions. They have their own artillery, tank and armored units. So that is why the number is bigger than the usual brigades,” he said.He said PGB soldiers have to be at every presidential lodge in the country.The Monitor has learnt that for the last five years the Presidential Guard Brigade (PGB) has been under going restructuring. It was upgraded from a Presidential Protection Unit (PPU) to a PGB.The commander of the Reserve Force Lt. Gen. Salim Saleh has overseen the restructuring. Lt. Col. Leo Kyanda is the PGB commandant.The headq uarters of the PGB will be at Entebbe. Some of its soldiers will be stationed in every battalion.Highly placed sources told The Monitor that the PGB has also acquired sophisticated weapons. The brigade has anti-aircraft guns, battle cars like mamba and buffalo, tanks and Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs).The commanders of the PGB mechanized unit are different from those of the regular army.On the sophisticated weapons, Bantariza said when at a war, the PGB fights independently of the regular army.He gave an example of Maj. Muhoozi Kainerugaba who at one time commanded PGB troops against the rebel Lord’s Resistance Army in Soroti.President Museveni is currently in Lira over seeing operations against LRA rebels led by Joseph Kony. The PGB soldiers are helping in the fight. © 2004 The Monitor Publications Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Re: Radio Katwe-Salim Saleh
Talking about Salim, what about his nephew Ruhooza, where is he now? Might he also be on the same one-way path? The last time I heard was that he had abandoned Soroti (Aloet), true? y From: Rehema Mukooza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Re:Radio Katwe-Salim Saleh Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:38:09 -0800 (PST) Okello: 1st, I am not "Honey".I am a human being.Got that?? About this "diet pepsi" thing.I am not fat.I am a normal sized, healthy looking woman.I like to watch my sugar/carbohydrate intake.Regular sodas are loaded with too much excess, unneeded sugars.I ONLY drink diet sodas (pepsi is my favorite), water, and skimmed/fat-free milk.What more do I need than a cold diet pepsi at a celebration of a death of an enemy of freedom?? My refrigerator is loaded with cans and cans of diet pepsi, water, and a can of skimmed, fat-free milk.Guests (I don't care if they are Africans, Americans, or whatever) have got to adopt to what I have in my house.When one goes to Rome, he/she does what the Romans do.That applies and falls really well into my world. Am I diabetic?? = NO!Again, I am a person who maintains a good well balanced diet.Am I on a diet?? = NO!I do not need to be on a diet with the kind of healthy foods I eat.It is all about eating and drinking healthy.You better start to do the same.I am pro-healthy eating living and not anti-healthy living.Let me tell you a bit of how I am living. I observe Kosher foods.The meats, chicken have got to have been killed in a certain, accepted way.They have got to be clean, free from bacteria.The chicken must be skinless, with no visible fat on it.The meats must have no visible fat on them either.I do not eat pork, sausage, bacon, etc (anything that comes from pigs).And I do not drink wine, beer, etc (anything that intoxicates my body).My liver is too important to intoxicate it with alcohol. I neither take drugs (anything that gets people high).My brain is too important to intoxicate it with such things.I am an ever sober person, in touch with nature. I use cholestoral-free, low saturated oils from plants (not animals) for cooking.Olive oil is the best.I do not use highly hydrogenated oils at all - they will clog up in your blood vessels.I do use fish oil here and there - the best healthy oil nature has ever produced.Those are just a few examples of how I live and what I eat.I am who I am.Do what I do.Do what I want.Live how I live.Enjoy what I enjoy. You can be a true African all you to, that will not stop me from drinking my diet pepsi and water.I drink what I want and I have no problem with it.Maybe you have a problem with what I drink, but hey that's your problem.Well, it does not bother me. I do not know about your wishing of the late Wapa to rest in peace.I have just finished celebrating his death.Thanks be to Allah - that one of the supporters of the enemies of my freedom is dead.Allah is powerfull. Zakoomu M. okello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Honey, I am just wondering about this diet thing! Are you that fat? Don't get me wrong, I am a true African if you know what I mean. Now about the late Wapa, I will just say may his soul RIP. Rehema Mukooza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Godfreel?: If and only if that Radio Katwe could be right, I would be the first person to buy bottles of diet pepsi (I don't drink wine, beer, etc) to celebrate.I would celebrate like there is no tomorrow.I would party like its my birthday.I would praise Allah like I've never praised him before, for Saleh's death. By hey, then again this is Radio Katwe which is known for passing false rumors!Who believes such?? = Not I.This rumor is dismissed! Zakoomu M. "Vovi Uganda e.V." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Radio Katwe has it that Salem Saleh is out of the country, down and about to take a walk the path of Wapa. They say he might be in one of the hospitals in Germany. Keep watching the new vision newspaper website for breaking news, less some people end up buying bottles of whiscky to early. - - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Uganda using torture to deter opposition -report
emmanuel musaazi, What was the 'excellent point'? Please clarify for me. yFrom: "emmanuel musaazi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Uganda using torture to deter opposition -report Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:28:14 -0500 Excellent point. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Uganda using torture to deter opposition -report Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:15:07 EST Uganda set up a shadow sector of security operations to contend with armed rebel groups and crime waves," Jemera Rone, a Human Rights Watch researcher, said in a statement HRW also said that Al Qeda terrorists should be released from Guantanamo,that Balkan rapists should not be extradited to the Hague and the Genocide perpetrators were in overcrowded jails.HRW has never seen a terrorist it does not like and whose rights are always violated.As for victims of terrorism well never mind. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: ATTENTION RICHARD KABONERO
emmanuel musaazi, aka Kabonero cheer leader (maybe one and the same)? y From: "emmanuel musaazi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: ATTENTION RICHARD KABONERO Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:00:39 -0500 Excellently put...couldn't have said much better. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: ATTENTION RICHARDKABONERO Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:30:14 EST In a message dated 3/29/2004 11:17:24 AM SA Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the man lying? What some of these terrorists and their HRW sympathizers don't tell you is some of their plans that were stopped. How about trying to blow up fuel tanks on Kampala Road during Christmas season, what about efforts to blow up Owen falls and plunge the country into darkness let alone from flooding Jinja.What of the plans to assassinate govt. officials and blow up a sports stadium. How about those that seek amnesty and go back to their old ways right from the court steps?.please spare us misplaced sympathises.There is a difference between political opposition and terrorism and we know those who genuinely oppose govt. policies and those who would kill thousands without losing sleep over it. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
ugnet_: Looking for Muhoozi
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RE: ugnet_: Movement in power for the next 20years - Monitor 5/4/2004
Ed Kironde, The silliness continues Do these people, including dictator Museveni,really think that Ugandans are so stupid! Anyway, the rwakitura rat-hole will soon be operational, and that's where they'll spend the "next 20 years". Yup! y From: "Ed Kironde" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Movement in power for the next 20years - Monitor 5/4/2004 Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:30:16 -0600 I think Mr Moses Byaruhanga has contracted himself already: He said the movement system was still very strong to be challenged by the old or any of the newly registered political parties in the elections to come.NRM-O is one of the newly registered organizations. We have already registered our party and we shall defeat the rest in the 2006 polls, he boasted. My understanding is that the Movement system of governance is different from the system of political parties.By registering NRM-O, it is a clear departure of what Moses Byaruhanga is talking about -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omar Kezimbira Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 11:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Movement in power for the next 20years - Monitor 5/4/2004 Movt in power for next 20 yrs By Rogers Mulindwa April 5, 2004 WOBULENZI - The ruling Movement is not set to leave power in the next twenty years, the Presidential assistant on political affairs Mr Moses Byaruhanga has publicly mentioned. I dont see the Movement leaving power in the next 20 years, said Byaruhanga. He was speaking as chief guest at the swearing-in ceremony of Mr Tito Ddamulira Mutuluki as the new mayor for Wobulenzi town council, April 1. He said the movement system was still very strong to be challenged by the old or any of the newly registered political parties in the elections to come. No one can take away the power from the Movement, he said amidst scanty cheers. Byaruhanga told celebrants that the Movement was still very popular among Ugandans and called on the opposition to get ready to face the challenge in the next elections to come. We have already registered our party and we shall defeat the rest in the 2006 polls, he boasted. Byaruhanga said the Movement party will vet all its candidates in the 2006 and other elections to come in order to avoid any collisions among the members of the same party. He warned that the government had lost many seats to the opposition because of having more than one Movement candidates in a single race. He cited an example of Lubaga South constituency where he said Hon. Ken Lukyamuzi went to parliament with a percentage victory of only 28% in 1996 because the Movement had many of its own candidates in the race. Byaruhanga made a stunning prediction that the Movement party might have over 50% of its candidates going through unopposed in the 2006 Parliamentary elections. The new Mayor, Mr. Tito Ddamulira Mutuluki called on the losing camps to join him in implementing his manifesto for the remaining two years. Mr. Richard Mubeezi, one of the three candidates attended the function but Mr. Sebastian Ssebagala never showed up. The function was attended by Education Minister, Prof. Khidu Makubuya, RDC, Geoffrey Kyomukama and the CAO, Mr. Simon Mpiira Bigairwe among others. © 2004 The Monitor Publications _ _ Do you Yahoo!? HYPERLINK "http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=23609/*http:/promotions.yahoo.com/design_giv eaway/static/index2.html"Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: DR Batta is dead\ Lisa
Ssenya, From what I hear,you are not a medical doctor. So shut the fuck up! Let's hear it from the medical doctors about the ethics of treating "rebels" and "former rebels". yFrom: "ssenya nyange" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: DR Batta is dead\ Lisa Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 18:36:34 -0400 Lisa Toro, There is no way a doctor can be forced to treat bush war fighters for all that long. I cant beleave that. A forced doctor can kill as many as he can without being detected. If Mu7 cannot trust any doctor in Uganda at this moment, you think he could have trusted a "forced" Dr. Batta ( RIP) to treat them in the bush? The late Dr. had the will. Ssenya -- From: "Lisa Toro" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: DR Batta is dead Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 07:31:09 +0100 May his soul rest in peace, i remember when i met him way back in 1990, he carried his heart out about the terrible things that the NRM/A was doing in the North. Dr. Batta is a man who lived as a prisioner from the NRM abducting him and forcing him to be their doctor in the bush to serving them with wounded consience while his people are being butchered and demeaned under his nose! Now he has lasting peace. Toro - Original Message - From: Ed Kironde To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:51 PM Subject: ugnet_: DR Batta is dead The New Vision Dr. Ronald Batta is dead THE First National Resistance Army (NRA) now UPDF doctor, Dr. Ronald Batta is dead, his family said yesterday. Batta served as the Director of Medical Services for the NRA guerrillas and its infancy stages in power. He passed away at Mulago Hospital on Sunday after a long battle with cancer, family members said. Published on: Monday, 12th April, 2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.573 / Virus Database: 363 - Release Date: 1/28/2004 _ Add photos to your messages with MSN Premium. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-capage=byoa/premxAPID=1994DI=1034SU=http://hotmail.com/encaHL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Minister of State for Health Mukula Under Fire Over Army Uniform
Matek: Mukula is often referred to as captain. Is Mukula a military captain, or a civilian air pilot captain? y From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Minister of State for Health Mukula Under Fire Over Army Uniform Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 20:04:39 EDT Minister of State for Health Mukula Under Fire Over Army Uniform A HREF=http://allafrica.com/publishers.html?passed_name=The%20Monitorpassed_location=Kampala;The Monitor/A (Kampala) July 28, 2003 Posted to the web July 28, 2003 Kennedy Lule Kampala The Lwemiyaga MP, Mr Theodore Ssekikubo, has accused Mr Mike Mukula of exploiting the war in Teso for personal gain. Mukula, a minister of state for Health, appeared at Parliament on Saturday in military fatigues with a pistol and bayonet hanging from his right hip. The minister said that he had joined the Arrow Group (a local militia formed by the Internal Security Organisation chief, Col. Elly Kayanja) to fight the Lord's Resistance Army rebels in Teso. According to Ssekikubo, however, Mukula's showy actions are opportunistic and lacking in nationalism. Why join the battle against [Joseph] Kony only when he reaches Teso? Why hasn't he been commanding troops against the LRA in Acholi? Ssekikubo said. The MP also wondered whether Mukula had joined the UPDF or was simply wearing military uniforms to gain easy publicity. But the army spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza, yesterday defended Mukula saying that the minister is free to wear army uniform and carry a pistol. Mukula is a minister who has undergone military training at Kyankwanzi. Is he using the gun for robbery? Bantariza said. _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.(Does It MakeSense?)
emmanuel musaazi, What a silly way to write! Please re-consider the way you write, if you want a wider audience. Hit the delete button! y From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.(Does It Make Sense?) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:01:19 -0500 Mr. Kipenji, i stated in my earlier response that the status quo in Uganda is not perfect viz a viz politics, economics and what have you...criticism has to be relative...what i can't stand is people criticizing out of context in order to promote an agendain order for criticism to be fair and even handed one has to look at what was and what is in the context of Uganda...i take it as an insult to my intelligence when someone begins to insinuate for example that amin's regime was better or equivalent to the present and then blowing stories out of proportion and making all sorts of ridiculous conclusions as if i can't read or understand what is going...if you want to have an intellectual debate on Uganda from all perspectives looking at where we have come from and where we were that's fine with meabout opinions of Ugandans if you recall in some eras passed even discussing about politics in bar got you killed Mr. Kipenji you know that, as a matter of fact in Obote II and during amins time that was the casei'm surprised you are complaining about the media being pro Museven when most of the negative articles you post are from Ugandan newspapers in Uganda so i don't see where you are going with that...by the way does Uganda have any political prisonersand if your only strike against Museveni is that he is not allowing you to form a party then it is only fair that the impact of multiparty politics in Uganda be analysed and debated...you see you keep throwing around the term DEMOCRACY but the statements you and some of your friends make do not show that you are democratically inclined.Democracy is supposed to serve the people and not the other way around as a matter of fact whatever political system we adopt has to serve us (THE PEOPLE) of Uganda and not the other way around...we shouldn't be straped to Democracy to sink or float with..that seems to be your view you want to shove Democracy down every Ugandans throat whether they are ready for it or not whether it works or not and that is very selfish...you seem to be using democracy as a banner or vehicle to power after which your true colours will be revealedthis has been politics 101Uganda as a sovereign country should have a right to seek or experiment with alternative political systems if previous ones failed you certainly must agree with that. From: Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.(Does It Make Sense?) Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:12:16 +0100 (BST) Emmanuel,I really do not what to dwell too much on which side of the divide this said journalist is.You have yourself stated that there is much more that meets the eye for many Ugandans to understand what is at stake between the Government and the Byanyima family.Unfortunately for me,even though I could be a little privy to some of those things,I will not indulge myself in divulging whatever it is because it is against my own ethos.Having said that,you sound like many of the buffet intellectuals that have mushroomed in Uganda especially so during the regime of Mu7 who are very ready to make conclusions about the theatricals they see allowed to happen in Uganda and use that as their holy grail to dismiss what other opinions of and about Mu7 and his governance style without critiquing. In communication,there is usually a reason for one to engage others,be it for information,inspiration motivation,provocation or education among other things.What do you in your of read of things think is making Mu7 allow what you allude to as open criticisms without arrest?.If you got people in their binge states criticising government and they are not arrested,should that really be the yardstick for measure of tolerance by the government?.If these same people on recovering from their inebriated state were to be questioned of their previous day's opinions would they be prepared to own up to it?That explains why such is very common,for whatever they yap about does in no way stop Mu7 from doing what he does!. Many other people have contested to wrest the presidency from Mu7 and with the exception of one,they are living freely in Uganda.Should that really surprise you?.On the contrary I believe you should be surprised if that only one person was allowed to live freely in Uganda.Is it not so?.The reason is all related to that which you conceded does not meet the eye.That is why there is that
Re: ugnet_: Don't Worry About Federo-Museveni
The Baganda are going to be duped again on federo by tyrant dictator Museveni! y From: Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Don't Worry About Federo-Museveni Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 04:40:31 -0700 (PDT) Dont worry about federo Museveni By Rogers Mulindwa August 4, 2003 -Monuitor President Yoweri Museveni has said that the issue of federo would be settled when the Constitution is amended. Lt. Gen. Museveni said: On this question of federo [federal system of government], you dont need to worry. Thats why I put in place the committee of Ssempebwa. Prof. Frederick Ssempebwa is the chairman of the Constitutional Review Commission. The President was speaking at the 10th coronation anniversary of Kabaka Ronald Muwenda Mutebi II at Bbowa in Luwero district on Saturday. The function was broadcast live on Central Broadcasting Services (CBS) radio based at Bulange-Mengo. Mutebi was installed king of Buganda on July 31, 1993. Some people dont sleep and have developed ulcers over the third term, federo and multiparty politics. They forget that the power belongs to the people, Museveni said. The President flew to Bbowa from Gulu by helicopter. He said that the Cabinet has started discussing some crucial matters ahead of Ssempebwas report. Where need be, he said, the government would call a referendum. He said that Mr Milton Obotes UPC government had stolen the key that gives power to the people but the Movement has since rescued the situation. When someone gives you the key to the house, you dont need permission to enter the bedroom or the sitting room, Museveni said. Government returned the key that empowers the people to take vital decisions on crucial matters. Museveni urged Buganda to be patient about her demands. Dont worry, the power is still in our hands, he said. The Kabaka pleaded with the government to end the 17-year-old insurgency in the northern region. Kabaka Mutebi said that he feels a lot of sympathy especially for the innocent children suffering in the north. We pray that everything possible is done to restore peace in this region, he said. © 2003 The Monitor Publications - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru
Emnmanuel: Who are these 'enemies of gthe state'? Watch your tongue, young man. Please re-read the Monitor article: inciting to kill anyone for any reason is illegal under Uganda's laws! y From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:11:44 -0500 Obviously there is a big difference between inciting people to genocide and inciting people to kill enemies of the state or crimianls such as rebels. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:43:38 EDT Prosecute RDC Ecweru . A HREF=http://allafrica.com/publishers.html?passed_name=The%20Monitorpassed_location=Kampala;The Monitor/A (Kampala) OPINION August 4, 2003 Posted to the web August 4, 2003 Stephen Mwanga Kampala At the height of the 2001 acrimonious presidential election campaigns, two leading opposition politicians; Rubaga South MP. Ken Lukyamuzi and former Kampala mayor Nasser Ssebagala were arrested and charged with incitement to violence. The former was accused of inciting people at a political rally in his constituency when he allegedly called for the butchering of all Rwandese who dared to vote in the presidential elections. While the latter was accused of inciting people not to pay graduated tax. The two were charged under Penel Code sections 50(a) and 50(b) respectively. Though both politicians were acquitted, they were subjected to gross violation of their fundamental human rights. A number of other opposition politicians have fallen victim to this law. The question is; why does government enforce this law only when opposition politicians are the suspects? Recently, Kasese resident district commissioner Musa Ecweru was quoted in the media urging Iteso in Kumi, Soroti, and Katakwi, to kill every adult rebel they capture. A number of radio stations in Kampala up to a few weeks ago, were playing recordings of him saying that whereas rebels below the age of 18 years were to be arrested, those above that age should be showed their way to heaven. Ecweru's reasoning is based on the fact that the rebels, mainly Acholis, are exporting insurgency into Teso region. Ecweru now heads a militia group trained specifically to hunt, capture and kill the would be prisoners of war. According to a story; UPDF kills 5 more LRA rebels, (The Monitor July 18), Ecweru's militia group killed nine of the LRA rebels. No problem if the rebels die fighting. But it must be borne in mind that Ecweru's call for the killing of captured rebels is criminal under section 50a(l) of the Penal Code Act of Uganda. This section states that any person who without any lawful excuse, publishes, prints or to any assembly makes any statement indicating or implying that it would be incumbent or desirable to do any acts calculated to bring death or physical injury to any person or to any class or community of persons, is guilty of an offence and is under subsection(b) of the same law liable on conviction to an imprisonment for a term of 3 years. Ecweru clearly knows the role of the media - to disseminate information - and how the media was used in the 1994 Rwandan genocide. This means he had knowledge of the broader context of his statement. By the mere fact that he made such a statement through the media is enough evidence to prove that he had the mens rea (criminal mind) to commit the offence of incitement to violence within the meaning of section 50a of the Penal Code of Uganda. Even under the international laws on genocide, public incitement characterized by a call for criminal action to a number of individuals in a particular place or members of the general public at large, by such means as the mass media, constitutes an international crime. To show that the law of incitement to violence is not only meant for opposition politicians, an example must be made of Ecweru. _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru
Emmanuel Musaazi: I demand that you immediately retract with an aopopgy to me the following statement contained in your e-mail: ... it seems Mr. Yaobang that you have some hidden affection for the LRA... Statements like these have serious implications and I take them seriously. y From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 17:09:54 -0500 ..common, even President Bush once said we want Saddam dead or alive, this was shortly b4 the invasion of Iraq. Now that didn't get Bush arrested did it. Ugandans have a right to self defence...in my opinion there is nothing wrong in telling people to defend themselves with all means possible, when those LRA thugs come around, after all they never show mercy on anyone including childrenit seems Mr. Yaobang that you have some hidden affection for the LRA. From: Y Yaobang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:51:48 + Emnmanuel: Who are these 'enemies of gthe state'? Watch your tongue, young man. Please re-read the Monitor article: inciting to kill anyone for any reason is illegal under Uganda's laws! y From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 17:11:44 -0500 Obviously there is a big difference between inciting people to genocide and inciting people to kill enemies of the state or crimianls such as rebels. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Prosecute RDC Ecweru Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 13:43:38 EDT Prosecute RDC Ecweru . A HREF=http://allafrica.com/publishers.html?passed_name=The%20Monitorpassed_location=Kampala;The Monitor/A (Kampala) OPINION August 4, 2003 Posted to the web August 4, 2003 Stephen Mwanga Kampala At the height of the 2001 acrimonious presidential election campaigns, two leading opposition politicians; Rubaga South MP. Ken Lukyamuzi and former Kampala mayor Nasser Ssebagala were arrested and charged with incitement to violence. The former was accused of inciting people at a political rally in his constituency when he allegedly called for the butchering of all Rwandese who dared to vote in the presidential elections. While the latter was accused of inciting people not to pay graduated tax. The two were charged under Penel Code sections 50(a) and 50(b) respectively. Though both politicians were acquitted, they were subjected to gross violation of their fundamental human rights. A number of other opposition politicians have fallen victim to this law. The question is; why does government enforce this law only when opposition politicians are the suspects? Recently, Kasese resident district commissioner Musa Ecweru was quoted in the media urging Iteso in Kumi, Soroti, and Katakwi, to kill every adult rebel they capture. A number of radio stations in Kampala up to a few weeks ago, were playing recordings of him saying that whereas rebels below the age of 18 years were to be arrested, those above that age should be showed their way to heaven. Ecweru's reasoning is based on the fact that the rebels, mainly Acholis, are exporting insurgency into Teso region. Ecweru now heads a militia group trained specifically to hunt, capture and kill the would be prisoners of war. According to a story; UPDF kills 5 more LRA rebels, (The Monitor July 18), Ecweru's militia group killed nine of the LRA rebels. No problem if the rebels die fighting. But it must be borne in mind that Ecweru's call for the killing of captured rebels is criminal under section 50a(l) of the Penal Code Act of Uganda. This section states that any person who without any lawful excuse, publishes, prints or to any assembly makes any statement indicating or implying that it would be incumbent or desirable to do any acts calculated to bring death or physical injury to any person or to any class or community of persons, is guilty of an offence and is under subsection(b) of the same law liable on conviction to an imprisonment for a term of 3 years. Ecweru clearly knows the role of the media - to disseminate information - and how the media was used in the 1994 Rwandan genocide. This means he had knowledge of the broader context of his statement. By the mere fact that he made such a statement through the media is enough evidence to prove that he had the mens rea (criminal mind) to commit the offence of incitement to violence within the meaning of section 50a of the Penal Code of Uganda. Even under the international laws on genocide, public incitement characterized by a call for criminal action to a number of individuals in a particular place or members of the general public at large
Re: ugnet_: MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA
Assumpta, Another option to hanging oneself would have been be mastarubation. y From: Assumpta Kintu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: MEN ABUSE CONTINUE IN UGANDA Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 02:53:12 -0700 (PDT) Mr. Mulindwa, Pardon me for my naivity, but in my naivity, upbringing etc. I have never seen or even for seen a so badly starved money sexually he had to commit suicide. Are you sure. In this world where women outnumber men almost 3 to one why wouldn't the man talk to another woman before he starved and finally killed himself And let us not forget that in our culture our men run the show. So please forgive me but your story does a good sale but carries no credibility. I still want to believe that my African Ugandan Man has a backbone to approach a woman and win, and if he does not move on to another available woman instead of being cowardly and kill himself. I do not remember my man ever being such a jelly fish! amk --- Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sexually starved man commits Suicide A man who is alleged to have threatened to kill himself for being sexually starved by his wife for 6 months has finally hung himself. Virado Bukenya who is 40 a peasant farmer and charcoal dealer Kisizidi village in Bageze sub county Mbubende district was found dead in his bedroom. Virado always blamed his wife for starving him sexually instead of fulfilling her conjugal obligation. Bukenya's death brings the number of people committing suicide over sexual starvation to four in a month in the same area. Recently Juma Senyonga a butcher in Mubende town committed suicide after his wife starved him sexually for three months. The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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ugnet_: Yaobang: No tears for Museveni
Yaobang: No tears for Museveni By a Senior reporter August 19, 2004 President Y Yaobang is not mourning for Museveni who died in Burumbarara on Saturday. I am not mourning at all, Mr Yaobang said in Sorooti yesterday as he met more than 200 Taso leaders at the Sorooti Hotel. Yaobang said that the former president was an illiterate who killed many Ugandans and caused problems for the country.Did he think he was immortal, that he wouldn't die? I would not bury Museveni. I will never touch Museveni. Never. Not even with a very long spoon. Yaobang said that Ugandan embassy officials in Burumbarara who went to visit Museveni in hospital did not amuse him.I hear that they went to visit Museveni in hospital. For what purpose? This Museveni who died the other day. Mbu he was buried in Mbarara as if that is going to improve his chances [in the other world].The President said that he had refused to listen to his government officials who wanted him to accord Museveni a state funeral or a burial in Uganda in order to trap votes from West Burumbarara (Museveni's home region).I don't need that support at all from political malayas. Those are political prostitutes. People must have principles, Yaobang said, drawing thunderous applause from delegates drawn from all the four districts of Taso. If Museveni had been a respected former leader, Yaobang would have ordered flags to fly at half-mast when he died.Instead, the President said, Museveni only caused problems for Uganda during his eighteen-year rule from 1986 to 2003.An estimated at least 300,000 Ugandans were killed or simply disappeared during that period which ended when a combined force of Ugandan exiles and the army toppled Museveni on April 11, 2004. Why was Museveni [causing] all these problems? What did he achieve? What did he do for Uganda? What will Museveni be remembered for? Yaobang asked. That he killed, the audience volunteered.Yaobang however said that the government had supported Museveni's wife, to go and see her husband in hospital.I assisted his wife. I said this is your family problem, but we shall help you. Even Museveni's children are not the ones who committed the crimes and I have been looking after Museveni's children in Uganda. But Museveni himself? I am not mourning at all. Yaobang said that he was the first Ugandan to oppose Museveni.Museveni took power on January 25 and I fled Uganda on the 26th. So he ruled me for only one day, on the 26th.He said that while Museveni's predecessor, Mr Milton Obote, had made a lot mistakes, the man who overthrew him on January 25 was more dangerous.I could not support Museveni even if I had problems with Obote. I don't want to be nasty. But many of those people who celebrated when Museveni took over lost a lot individually and personally, Yaobang said.According to Yaobang, all those who supported Museveni were partly guilty of his crimes.It was not the fault of Museveni alone. He was not the main problem. The main problem was the people like ... Ikunyuk Mukuula who supported him, the president said. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
RE: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office
J Ssemakula, Give it a rest, man! Or are you getting paid to divert attention from what is happening in Uganda right now, as we speak, with: * Dictator Museveni's gunships mowing down innocent Ugandans in a funeral procession in Teso mistaking them for 'rebels'? * Dictator Museveni now manipulating his way to life presidency, sugar-coating it with federo (buying-off gullible Baganda like you)?? Or are you waiting to revise the dictaor's history? y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 19:50:42 + _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- Mr. Kipenji, Provide facts: if you have any credible documentation about Obote providing Mandela with a passport by all means provide it, instead of grand-standing. However, even if it were true, I fail to see how this would redeem that barbarian. --- Owor Kipenji [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mwaami Ssemakula,did Nelson Mandela also state that the first travel document(Passport) that he used to travel outside South Africa et Africa was a Ugandan passport that was recommended by this samesome Obote?. Lets always talk facts not figments of our imaginations that obscure whatever we really want to say for we are wont to expose our rabid loathe of someone. Thanks. Kipenji. === J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Fugee, I see that you have no substantive rebuttal to Mr. Ibingira's expose' of Obote as a conniving power-hungry megalomaniac. As fo r the bit about Obote's attempts to bar the ANC from the OAU's pre-cursor, it is from an impeachabe source: Mr. Mandela himself. Original Message Follows From: "The Fugee" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: RE: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2003 10:33:52 +0200 Ssemakula, Many of us have decided to leave you to your rabid hatred of Obote. You seem to be so confused by your hatred that you would absolve everyone, including yourself, of any responsibility in ensuring that Ugandans and Uganda gets what it truly deserves. As such I find it very difficult to even begin to discuss or debate any matter as you have concluded where all blame should lie. Th ough I must confess that I have seriously thought about tackling an issue raised by you through Ibingira's writings and time willing I may still do so. The real question is: What have you done and what are you doing for a truly democratic Uganda where all citizens have and can enjoy their God given personal to holder fundamental human rights and freedoms? The Fugee PS "Why did he try to have Mandela and the ANC -- which he termed a "tribal organization" -- banned from attending the OAU's precursor meeting in Addis Ababa? Who were/are Obote's masters whose interests he worked so hard to uphold?" Where did this come from?-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of J Ssemakula Sent: 15 August 2003 21:25 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office Is it safe to assume that even the UPC zealots have finally seen the light that power-hungry megalomaniacal Obote was and is a liability? Is there any doubt that Obote single-handedly set Uganda on the course of decay that it has never recovered from? Where the heck is Mr. Dambisya's promised (threatened?) defense of Obote? Original Message Follows From: "J Ssemakula" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 20:15:51 + MSN 8: Get 6 months for $9.95/month. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: Museveni is like Amin, says UPC
Museveni is WORSE that Amin yFrom: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Museveni is like Amin, says UPC Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:44:38 + Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online ---BeginMessage--- Museveni is like Amin, says UPC By Halima Abdallah August 21, 2003 But govt spokesperson says UPC is betraying the country The Uganda Peoples Congress yesterday compared President Yoweri Museveni's regime to that of Idi Amin. But in a rejoinder, a government spokesman accused the party of betraying the country by making such statements. The chairman of the UPC's Presidential Policy Commission, Dr James Rwanyarare, told journalists at the party's weekly media briefing at Uganda House that the rule of law has vanished in the country. Rwanyarare said that the misuse of security agencies, abuse of the Constitution, abuse of Parliament, orders to shoot on sight and kill, safe houses and attempts to create a life presidency were highest during Idi Amin's regime.And he said this is recurring. With all these behaviors, the distinction between Amin and Museveni is getting darker, Rwanyarare said. However, the Presidential Press Secretary, Ms Mary Okurut, dismissed Rwanyarare's claims. "Anyone who makes such comments should have his head examined not to be taken seriously. UPC is betraying Uganda by saying that the Museveni government is in the Hitler group," she said. Rwanyarare had earlier said that government has used its muscle to negate the rights and freedoms of Parliament in making laws and regulating actions of the executive. The politician said that some people operate above the law, citing the members from the security agencies who, he said, are a law unto themselves. He accused the security organs of detaining, torturing people and committing murder with impunity. Rwanyarare criticised government for not legalising the operations of the army.UPDF has never been legally transformed from the National Resistance Army, a Museveni guerrilla army. It operates as a personal army of Lt. Gen. Museveni, he said. 'Obote has no case to answer' Rwanyayare also told journalists that UPC does not have to defend itself on its human rights record during its two spells in office. The New York-based body, Human Rights Watch had earlier listed Obote among the former leaders who should be prosecuted for committing crimes against humanity.The rights body cited the second reign of Obote from 1980 to 1985 as one that was characterised by human rights violations, especially in Luwero. Rwanyarare told journalists that Amin investigated Obote using the Scotland Yard, "which cleared him". The politician added that when President Museveni came to power, he appointed Justice Arthur Oder to chair a commission that investigated alleged violations of human rights in the Obote regime, and that the commission gave a clean bill of health. Rwanyarare said that the Senior Presidential Adviser on Media and Public Relations, Mr John Nagenda, was a member of the panel that cleared Obote. He told journalists that the only reason Museveni has not taken steps to prosecute Obote is because he knows that the former leader is innocent. However, Nagenda told The Monitor on phone that Obote has never been cleared. "I sat in the Human Rights Commission for nearly nine years; we never cleared Obote at all. He has a lot of questions to answer in the report filed," Nagenda said. The presidential adviser said that the UPC is the worst party that has ever existed. Nagenda said that whoever shall use the report from the Oder Commission for purposes of prosecuting Obote "shall find it very useful", adding that it is upon the government to prosecute him or not. Museveni has always said that Obote will be prosecuted or shot if he returned to Uganda. © 2003 The Monitor Publications Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug ---End Message---
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I have posted several messages today critical of the Museveni dictatorship - many have not appeared on the Ugandanet, WHY not? Is it selective CENSORSHIP on the paret of the net administrator or his/her sponsors ySTOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Musevenis failings make Ugandans yearn for Amin
Mitayo Potosi: ".But when many people see the vanishing promise of Museveni and his Movement, perhaps the equation changes. Thousands of Ugandans have died in senseless wars under this [Museveni's] government. And hundreds have been tortured in safe houses that are reminiscent of Amins infamous State Research Bureau. Meanwhile, poverty continues to bite, with many people increasingly believing they are poorer today. ..." True, sir. Amin's administration was a Sunday picnic compared to how many Ugandan people have been killed, displaced and made poor under dictator Museveni! Museveni calls them rebels, rebel supporters, rebel sympethisers, etc.,mows them down on funeral processions, and no count! And the Americans and the British continue to support the dictator! This really pisses me off! I am angry, so are my people! y From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Musevenis failings make Ugandans yearn for Amin Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 23:09:28 + By Peter G. Mwesige Musevenis failings make Ugandans yearn for Amin August 21, 2003 BLOOMINGTON, INDIANA I had set out to write about last weeks blackout in New York and other American cities, which left over 50 million people without power. It was big news here. Very big news! You see, such blackouts are not known here, although the biggest state, California, has in the recent past had what they call rolling blackouts. But even that was always big news. In fact Governor Gray Davis, who is facing a recall by California voters, must have seen the New York blackout as a godsend. At least he can now boast about how Californias blackouts were never of the magnitude that New York and other cities saw last Friday. There are so many comparisons I had wanted to make between the American historic blackout and our routine power outages in Uganda and much of the developing world. For instance, millions of Americans, perhaps twice as many as the population of Uganda, have never experienced a power blackout in their whole lives. Also, I had wanted to suggest that the collective sigh of relief after it became clear that the blackout was not another terrorist attack in the making speaks volumes about how, in the public mind and the government agenda, security and terrorism have replaced so many other important issues. Which is exactly how George W. Bush wants it before next years presidential elections. Finally, I had wanted to opine that the New York blackout had brought to the fore the case of those who think there should be limits to deregulation. Leaving such important public utilities completely in the hands of the private sector may not always secure the best results. Then another blackout occurred in another part of the world. Idi Amin died in exile in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. How sad! Lt. Gen. Yoweri Museveni does not get to arrest the Field Marshal upon arrival in Uganda. The death by natural causes, of a former dictator who has been out of power for more than 24 years should not be as important as more pressing issues of the day, such as the shortage of electricity. So I was tempted to stick to my original script about power blackouts in these United States, and tease out some lessons for Uganda. But then I was intrigued that although there have been so many local commentaries about Amin, to my knowledge none had tried to make sense of why many people appear to have embraced Big Daddy in more recent years. I do not pretend to have the answers, but clearly the rationalisation of the Amin excesses that we have seen in the local media recently could not simply have been pity for a man who was about to breathe his last or, when he finally passed, respect for the dead. At the weekend memorial prayers at Old Kampala Mosque, Sheikh Hussein Rajab Kakooza, the Uganda Muslim Supreme Council (UMSC) director for Sharia, reportedly described Amin as, our beloved brother. Attorney General Francis Ayume praised him for living to his word and not fighting to return to power, while former Attorney General Abu Mayanja, who said he had proudly served as Amins minister, called him a great Ugandan. The UMSC Secretary for Religious Affairs, Sheikh Mahdi Kakooza, also called Amin a great man, while MPs from Arua and the Muslim Parliamentary Caucus also heaped praises on the former dictator. Of course, one could argue that either these were people who benefitted from Amins regime, or they were playing religious (Muslim) and constituency (Arua and Koboko) politics. Yet, many others, who cannot be easily pigeonholed, have rationalised Amins exploits in power. In fact, the only high profile person who has been categorical yet characteristic in his unforgiving stance is President Yoweri Museveni, who said he would not mourn Amin
Re: ugnet_: censorship??
Net Administrator, My messages showed up finally on the net. My apologies. y From: Y Yaobang Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: censorship?? Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:36:11 + _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- I have posted several messages today critical of the Museveni dictatorship - many have not appeared on the Ugandanet, WHY not? Is it selective CENSORSHIP on the paret of the net administrator or his/her sponsors ySTOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office
Emmanuel, Many of us are now looking beyond Musevenism, defined here as enjoyment to kill at will and for ever in the interest of personal/family wealth and political power. Soon the Museveni dictatoriship will fall, just like Amin's collapsed like a deck of cards in 1979! y From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:41:38 -0500 Netters can we please raise the level of the discourse on this forum? Uganda's future is bigger than the Obotes and Amins of this world. People are wasting time defending the indefensible. The facts, whether we want to believe it or not are that Obote and Amin Presided over some of the most brutal times of Uganda's history and they are responsible for that. So those of you trying to defend their records, do it in vanity, 'cos the facts are there and they are overwhelming, even hitler did some good things for Germany but that does not exonerate him from the crimes that he was responsible for. What Uganda needs is a complete break from that nigtmarish past. For those of you clamouring for democracy, Uganda does not need Obote like democracy or Amin like democracy, what Uganda needs is a new dispensation, with new and positive ideas that will move the country forward. But what we keep getting on this forum is a continual defense of the past wrongs and this coming from those who claim they are for democracy, by association alone such people disqualify themselves. Can't some of you think beyond Obote and Amin? Is Oboteism and Aminism the begining and the end of your philosphy? These two leaders belong to the unfortunate past, it is time to move on. From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:45:17 -0400 As we who were young at those times Did UPC come to power for individuals did everything possible to bring it to power, or because Ugandans elected it? For knowing the answer to that question, one can know the strength of Mwaami Ssemakula's statement, or its you know what!! Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Ed Kironde To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:29 PM Subject: RE: ugnet_: Ibingira on Obote's Secret Wars and Abuse of Office . Whatever the case, nothing can alter the fact that Obote massacred Ugandans, just as did Idi Amin. For me this is a sufficient reason to do everything possible under the sun to ensure that the UPC never holds power again in Uganda as we know it today, for they'd do exactly the same thing Obote did the moment they step in the State House. J Ssemakula I commend you for joining the rest of the peace loving Ugandans in ensuring that political party haters, the UPC with their autocracy tendencies, do not sniff at power again in this century. I will also pass over the message to the grandchildren of my grandchildren. So they can tell the grandchildren of their grandchildren too! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Idi Amin's Exile Dream
J Ssemakula: Go kiss Ronald Mutebi's ass! y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Idi Amin's Exile Dream Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 20:10:59 + _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- Just like Obote ... / advertisement ---\ Explore more of Starbucks at Starbucks.com. http://www.starbucks.com/default.asp?ci=1015 \--/ Idi Amin's Exile Dream August 21, 2003 By RICCARDO ORIZIO NAIROBI, Kenya The Idi Amin I met in 1997 was unchanged from the Big Daddy" of Uganda who, in the 1970's, was proud of being the most feared leader in Africa. It was hot that day in Jidda, the Saudi Arabian resort city he had been living in since 1980. A big man with a raucous voice and strangely protuberant eyes, he was dressed in a white tunic, speaking loudly in his broken English. He talked just as he had ruled: walking the thin rope that separates madness from political satire, the tragic from the comic. I knew he had spent the previous years taking a morning swim in the pool of the local Hilton, having his back massaged by an Egyptian masseur at the Intercontinental, and finally having lunch at a third hotel. It was a life spent in the lobby, with suitcases packed for a journey that never happened. A friend of a friend had finally taken me to his home. The villa - the average white building where the average Saudi millionaire lives - was full of the sounds of domesticity: a baby crying, women chatting, food being prepared. "I'm still on top of things, I'm still a man of influence," he told me, and to prove the point he started flicking the remote control of his satellite TV, going from a Congolese station to a Libyan one. "I'm still following international affairs," he boasted, finally switching to CNN. "Do you have any regrets, Mr. president?" I asked. And the man who killed at least 300,000 Ugandans, who had the Anglican bishop of Kampala assassinated and dumped on the side of a road, and who had several of his own ministers thrown to the crocodiles of Lake Victoria, placidly replied, with his trademark Big Smile: "No, only nostalgia." I asked how he wanted to be remembered. Apparently recalling his boxing days, he replied, "Just as a great athlete." It's called the banality of evil. Idi Amin was never an exceptional person. As someone said, you have to be a great man to do great good, but even an imbecile can do great evil. You just need to be in the right place at the right time. Idi Amin was a former cook of a British colonial regiment who happened to be among the few Ugandans with military experience when his country became independent. He was guilty of great atrocities, of course. But an entire generation of African leaders was guilty, too. The difference is that Idi Amin did what he did in a transparent way: the mayhem and the horror, but also the famous photograph of white businessmen forced to carry him on his chair; his satirical wedding ceremony in front of a huge portrait of Queen Elizabeth II of England; his repeated claims to the throne of Scotland. When asked about allegations of cannibalism, instead of denying it he answered: "I don't like human flesh. It's too salty for me." He had an unconscious genius for political theater, mocking the grand statesmen of the era with telegrams full of condescending words. To Henry Kissinger: "You are not intelligent because you never come to see me when you need advice." To the queen: "I hear that England has economic problems. I'm sending a cargo ship full of bananas to thank you for the good days of the colonial administration." To Leonid Brezhnev and Mao Zedong: "If you need a mediator I am at your disposal." On Saturday Idi Amin died in his Saudi exile. Africa is a different place than when he left it, but not necessarily better. There are fewer buffoons, but still many devils on the continent. Along with Jean-Bedel Bokassa, the self-proclaimed emperor of the Central African Republic, Idi Amin represented the simpler days when the West could believe that Africa's problem was a handful of mad dictators. We now know we were wrong. Most Liberians, for instance, are cynical - or experienced - enough to understand that life will be tough even with Charles Taylor departed. Likewise, at their current stage of national decay, Zimbabweans know that to send Robert Mugabe away is only half of the solution: who will restore the economy once he's gone? To send a tyrant into foreign asylum doesn't necessarily help his victims. As for the tyrants themselves, they know that a little luxury and a quiet death in a foreign city cannot match the real
RE: ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Idi Amin's Exile Dream
Ed Kironde, Go suck on a lemon! y From: Ed Kironde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Fwd: NYTimes.com Article: Idi Amin's Exile Dream Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 21:46:05 -0600 J Ssemakula: Go kiss Ronald Mutebi's ass! Y Yaobang You can get a man out of the village, but you cannot get the village out him Author unknown Use HTML or Rich Text if Word is your Email reader to get the effects --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Lutimba!: BEER LOVER!
Lutimba Matovu, The BEER LOVER (alcoholic?)! y From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Lutimba! Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 13:11:30 + Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*.---BeginMessage--- PS!!! Lutimba, Am in your "neck of the woods", see if u can buy me that beer u once promised me! U know where u can find me. rgds gook Lutimba, I have been watching you deteriorate from a serious analytical fellow to now this childish and lackluster performance you put up these days. Look, if you have nothing to say simply shut up. Stop these personal attacks on your "enemies". If you have "Bwino" on the non insisting agreement btwn M7 and Buganda bring it out without going native on your opponentsbar habits. I know you as a beer loving fellow. I have even had a few bouts with you. This can never make me call you an alcoholic! If you are losing an argument..please accept it with grace and bow out. The little faith i once had in you as an NRA/M (wannabe) i could do business with is fast fading out. What a waste for such a potatial political mate! Rgds Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X Original Message Follows From: Lutimba Matovu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: Kasangwao, Matovu! Eddy Mutesa (RIP) was an Alcoholic! Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2003 14:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Bwambuga, The real Alcoholic is Mulindwa. Mulindwa is the man who really loves the bottle. I now have bwino on this guy. He loves the bottle like his hero AMO. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kasangwao, Your arguement is too cheap for me. I am very well learned and knowledgeable Uganda in case you did not know. I think you are doing total deservice to your nation, abd people by involving your self in "...he said she said." scheme. You are displaying mere ignorance and lack of information and ability to know what you are saying. God Bless your heart and children who God Willing, will grow up under your deceitfull environment. An behold you take pride in them. Bwambuga. "Mulindwa Edward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: KasangwawoOn all accusations made, on all love Buganda has to her Kingdom, would Obote poison Muteesa and the person who knew about it decide to be anonymous except to you? Let us remember that what we are discussing today is both of great importance to a whole mass of people and the History of Uganda as a nation. So I would encourage every one to stick on the facts, for there are those who are going to read these facts and take them for whole truth and help you God. That is why I stated before that the cause of death of Mutesa was not by poison from Obot e. Can I back that claim? Yes the Post Mortem made in London and in a nation which was against Obote is available. I hope you can produce the evidence backing "that Some one", Secondly I stated that the funds which were sent to Mutesa and his family even after his death all way through to Amin, can be backed up by records in Bank of Uganda, which is in Uganda today. So let us not take these things that likely, for they are of great Historical importance.Em The Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Matovu! Eddy Mutesa (RIP) was an Alcoholic! Bwambuga, we also know that someone (identity known) put poison in Sir Freddie's drink, which led to his eventual death. This evidence comes from someone who spent the last few years of the King's life looking after him and was therefore very close to him. I therefore fail to see why you think that your allegations are stronger than what you call Matovu's "false accusations". On the other hand, you might be confusing your information with that about a known alcoholic in Lusaka. Kasangwawo From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Matovu! Eddy Mutesa (RIP) was an Alcoholic! Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2003 23:19:36 -0400 Matovu, We know that Kabaka Fred Mutesa (RIP) was a seroius alcoholic case. And he died from Alcohol Poisoning. My evidence comes from a cery good friend of mine, but he was sharing a girl friend with the Late Kabaka while he was still in power as President. This friend is a typical Muganda and big time supporter of the royalty. He says it was a well known fact among the late Kabaka's
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Ed Kironde, Thank you. y From: Ed Kironde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: RE: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 14:52:16 -0600 The archives http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.510 / Virus Database: 307 - Release Date: 8/14/2003 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Federo is a fantasy
emmanuel, Now I can spare time to read your postings because of your improved writing, good boy. Now you need to work on your paragraphs, to give some fresh air to your messages. y From: emmanuel musaazi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Federo is a fantasy Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:12:20 -0500 Whoever was responsible for this editorial, does not understand the concept of federalism. First of all how does he know that the final federal system agreed upon will take the shape he is outlining (talk about puting the cart before the horse). The final system will depend on negotiations which will involve a lot of tradeoffs and compromises, it's not about 'winner takes all'. Secondly, the Primeminister does not have to be the Kabaka (there doesn't even need to be a prime minister). Federalism will help spread development around the country, new city capitals will spring up and along with them jobs, institutions of learning and investements. Federalism will also help to reduce the concentration of power at the center which will on the long run enhance democracy. As for taxes, well a tax sharing and allocation formular will be part of the negotiations, this is why i said that the more the number of regions involved in the negotiations the better for the whole country. Right now everybody is only hearing the Buganda proposal because other regions have not formaly and in an organized fashion, put forward their proposals. The other regions should stop wining and come with ideas, that is what democracy is all about, isn't it, democracy lovers? From: Mitayo Potosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Federo is a fantasy Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:35:19 + Editorial : newvision 26/8/2003 Federo is a fantasy CABINET HAS decided to push for the lifting of term limits for the presidency and a return to federo. However, a representative of the Buganda kingdom has responded that the two issues should be delinked. He is right. The two issues are both too complex to consider together. In particular the restoration of federo, or a federal kingdom, is risky. Firstly, the dominance of the Buganda kingdom at independence created a political imbalance that destabilised the country. Secondly, a federal kingdom is not the most progressive form of government. As head of state, the Kabaka will appoint chiefs, ministers and officials. What will happen to the authority of democratically elected LC5 and LC3 officials? Thirdly, is an additional layer of administration in Buganda even necessary? Fourthly, this administration will have to be funded either by local taxation or by increased taxation by the central government. If the central government pays, a peasant in West Nile might ask why his tax payments go to the Kabaka of Buganda. Fifthly, how many Baganda truly want federo? Many elected LC officials favour loose cooperation under a charter, as Busoga is attempting, but oppose the idea of an administrative federal kingdom. Federo has become a fantasy, a dream for a return to the 1950s and 1960s when people were more prosperous and society more orderly. But it is impossible to turn the clock back. If the kingdom returns, Baganda will still find themselves in todays Uganda where the world coffee price is lower than the 1960s and KCC cannot fix the roads. It is not worth changing the Constitution for the sake of an illusion. Published on: Tuesday, 26th August, 2003 Email this article to a friend. Mitayo Potosi _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: Fwd: ugnet_: How Obote Amin, Two of Africa's Most Brutal Killers,Co-Evolved
J Ssemakula, You conveniently exclude Museveni from your list of butchers. Why? y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: ugnet_: How Obote Amin, Two of Africa's Most Brutal Killers, Co-Evolved Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:46:05 + message3.txt _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Messrs. Dambisya, Kipenji, Y, and other UPC fans:One Yoswa allegedly asked me to diversify my sources (i.e. quote someonelse other than Ibingira, for whom he failed tofind no worthy rebuttal) before he engange in 'mental combat'. Well, I did, andYoswa is hiding under the bed! Or rather, he is still hiding his head in the sand. The fact is that the legacies of these two brutal savages, Obote and Amin, are intimately inter-twined. They each killed in excess of three hundred thousand (300,000) Ugandans, easily qualifying as the most ruthless and most blood-thirsty killers on the African continent in the last 200 years. No amount of white-washing, spin-doctoring or revisionist apologia can alter that sad fact in any substantive manner. About the only'issue' left to debate is which of these two butchered more people. Ssemakula ps: as surely as night follows day, you can count on more reminders of the extent of the brutality of these two in their crimes against humanity, for, we must never forget! In an effort to stem charges of 'bias', as far as possible, I'll continue to let other voices speak. I'll merely convey their message to this forum. Original Message Follows From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: How Obote Amin, Two of Africa's Most Brutal Killers, Co-Evolved Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:49:45 + Get MSN 8 and help protect your children with advanced parental controls.
Re: ugnet_: Federo is a fantasy
Jonah Kasangwao, In your PS, you stated about the New Vision's editorial "... How come you do not give any comments on the other topic you started with - the lifting of term limits for the presidency ? ..." It's because this is an NRM organ and the editorshave NO VISION! y From: "jonah kasangwawo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Federo is a fantasy Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 17:00:02 + I must admit that I've never found the New Vision editorials brilliant, but this one was one of the worst I've read. It was written from a position of ignorance and assumptions. Here just a few questions/comments to the editor: - What sort of dominance are you talking about - political, economic or what ? - Where did you get the idea that officials in the Federal State of Buganda will be appointed by the Kabaka ? - You ask what will happen to LCs. Excuse me, where have you been ? There will be no LCs in Buganda under federal governance. We have our long-tested councils such as Ssaza, Muluka, Ggombolola councils. Consequently, there will be no additional layer of administration. - Your fourth point does not make any sense. At the core of federalism is the sharing of power between the Federal (central) government and State (regional) governments. Underlying this responsibility is the fiscal issue which is also part of the essence of the federal system of governance. So, regardless of the nonsense emanating from the corner of the National Political Commissar (oh, how reminiscent of the communist times), under a true federal system, Buganda would collect taxes. You seem to forget that under a unitary system as we have now, a peasant in Buganda might also rightly ask why his tax payments go to Lango or Jopadholaland. - I don't know where you got the information that Baganda don't like federo, but the only record available (the Odoki comm. report) points to the opposite, and it was done when the LC system was in existence. In any case, LC officials do not make up the majority of the population. Dear Editor, federo, far from being a fantasy, is the future of a more prosperous and peaceful Uganda. You only need to get educated about it. Kasangwawo. PS. How come you do not give any comments on the other topic you started with - the lifting of term limits for the presidency ? From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Federo is a fantasy Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:35:19 + Editorial : newvision 26/8/2003 Federo is a fantasy CABINET HAS decided to push for the lifting of term limits for the presidency and a return to federo. However, a representative of the Buganda kingdom has responded that the two issues should be delinked. He is right. The two issues are both too complex to consider together. In particular the restoration of federo, or a federal kingdom, is risky. Firstly, the dominance of the Buganda kingdom at independence created a political imbalance that destabilised the country. Secondly, a federal kingdom is not the most progressive form of government. As head of state, the Kabaka will appoint chiefs, ministers and officials. What will happen to the authority of democratically elected LC5 and LC3 officials? Thirdly, is an additional layer of administration in Buganda even necessary? Fourthly, this administration will have to be funded either by local taxation or by increased taxation by the central government. If the central government pays, a peasant in West Nile might ask why his tax payments go to the Kabaka of Buganda. Fifthly, how many Baganda truly want federo? Many elected LC officials favour loose cooperation under a charter, as Busoga is attempting, but oppose the idea of an administrative federal kingdom. Federo has become a fantasy, a dream for a return to the 1950s and 1960s when people were more prosperous and society more orderly. But it is impossible to turn the clock back. If the kingdom returns, Baganda will still find themselves in todays Uganda where the world coffee price is lower than the 1960s and KCC cannot fix the roads. It is not worth changing the Constitution for the sake of an illusion. Published on: Tuesday, 26th August, 2003 Email this article to a friend. Mitayo Potosi _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This service is
Re: ugnet_: Obote for Trial? Crazy!---Museveni too!
Adam Dada, Any relation to the late Amin Dada? Also, have you been to Museveni's indoctrination camps, given this common Museveni sychophant-type silly statement you make "... This is the kind of talk and reasoning one normally hears around kwete/Malwa clubs..."? Museveni, and his sychophants, must have to face the international courts, and, hopefully, the gallows! Chill, man. y From: "Adam Dada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote for Trial? Crazy!---Newvision chatline. Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:29:25 + Jacob - Your man was not removed by Baganda - he was removed by hi kin and keith - the Acholi, who accused him of being tribalistic and murderous. I dont know how you missed that fact in your lop-sided drunken narration, however crappy it is. By the way, just because he wasnt seen doing something, doesnt absolve him of responsibility. I know legal matters may be rather complicated for you to grasp, but because he was the head of state and commander in chief means he has criminal charges to answer to as the top man in the line of command. You are going on about alot of crap - what if the man turns around and confesses with a hope of a lesser punishment? To me your reasoning is too simplistic to warrant any serious consideration. This is the kind of talk and reasoning one normally hears around kwete/Malwa clubs and you are perfectly entitled to bring it up in this forum, although I have reservations, if only on grounds of respect for most of the esteemed intellectual and right-thinking netters on this forum Good luck Jacob. Adam From: "gook makanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Obote for Trial? Crazy!---Newvision chatline. Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 07:06:22 + _ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile message3.txt Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: UPDF Soldier to Face Firing Squad For Cowardice
MUSEVENI BEATS IDI AMIN'S FIRING-SQUARD RECORD? y From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: UPDF Soldier to Face Firing Squad For Cowardice Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 19:07:26 + Two issues here: 1. A time to do away with capital punishment in Uganda has long since passed; we have to struggle to change this law. 2. With extreme ease and callousness the junta in Uganda is killing this Mr. Pimundu. The flimsy charges against him are laughable. May be it is naive of us to expect justice from arch-criminals like Museveni, Salim Saleh, Kazini, and all the goons in there .. Mitayo Potosi From: "Chris Opoka-Okumu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: UPDF Soldier to Face Firing Squad For Cowardice Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 10:38:36 -0400 Netters, This is serious miscarriage of Justice. "THE UPDF field court martial on Friday sentenced a soldier to death by firing squad after he was found guilty of cowardice and failure to execute his duties." He is said to have committed the offence when he failed to respond to information that LRA had attacked a village and because he did not respopnd to this information, LRA executed 8 civilians. His defence is that his brief was to guard the students and the internally displaced persons at Uganda College of Commerce. Is right to say the failure to respond constituted cowardice? Is it right to say that failure to respond to a situation outside once immediate duty constitute neglect of duty? What would have happened if Pimundu took his soldiers to this village and the LRA came and butchered the students in Uganda College of Commerce and the IDP camps as they did in Kichwamba precisely because those who were to guard the students were not at their post? Would he not be also accused of neglect of duties? What happened to those soldiers who abandoned their post at Kichwamba Technical School, were they also executed by firing squad? Why now Pimundu? Can the death of 8 civilians be the necessary result of Pimundu nor responding or the LRA would have executed them anyway as is their wont? - Original Message - From: Omar Kezimbira To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 4:55 AM Subject: ugnet_: UPDF Soldier to Face Firing Squad For Cowardice Firing Squad For Coward -New Vision-7/9/2003 THE END: Pimundu is led off to await death By Nathan Etengu THE UPDF field court martial on Friday sentenced a soldier to death by firing squad after he was found guilty of cowardice and failure to execute his duties. Corporal Pimundu Gimaro, attached to the Military Police, committed the offences on August 31 when he failed to respond to information from a civilian that the Lord's Resistance Army rebels had attacked a village near his station. The nine-member court martial, chaired by the UPDF 3rd Division Commander, Col. Andrew Guti, ruled that Pimundu's omissions led to the death of eight civilians at the hands of the rebels who had attacked Agasi village. "This court is final. There is no appeal. You have been sentenced to death," Guti announced at around 6:50pm. Pimundu who had waited outside as the panel deliberated his fate sighed and looked down as colleagues from the Military Police handcuffed him and led him to a waiting pick-up truck. He was to be execut ed yesterday morning after President Yoweri Museveni, the commander-in-chief of the army, was briefed on the court decision. Each of the two counts on which Pimundu was charged carried a maximum punishment of death. A prosecution witness told court how he struggled to reach the UPDF unit after the rebels had abducted him. He said Pimundu ignored his report. Pimundu, in his defence, said that his brief was to guard the students and the internally displaced persons at Uganda College of Commerce. Ends Published on: Sunday, 7th September, 2003 Email this article to a friend. -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: NRM Consults Frelimo's On How to Stay in Government
Matek: Remember that it was Frelimo which taught now dictator Museveni the art of guerrilla warfare. So, now he, dictator Museveni,thinks Frelimo can also teach him and hisNRM in the tricks of keeping power. Birds of the same feather! yFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: NRM Consults Frelimo's On How to Stay in Government Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 21:23:55 EDT NRM Consults Frelimo's On How to Stay in Government African Church Information Service August 8, 2003 Posted to the web September 8, 2003 Crespo Sebunya Kampala Uganda now considers Frente de Liberta Veo de Mozambique (Frelimo) experience as more relevant to its democratic process, and has thrown aside the African National Congress (ANC) model it previously admired. President Yoweri Museveni told a delegation of Frelimo officials, led by their Secretary General, Armando Emilio Guebuza, that National Resistance Movement (NRM) will study how Frelimo retained power after opening up its political system to a multi-party one. The Frelimo delegation spent three days in Uganda from August 25, and signed a memorandum of understanding with the NRM. Museveni says Frelimo experience is relevant to NRM, since they share a lot in common. Both launched a protracted struggle against oppression, then later faced a long-winded, externally supported insurgency. Frelimo's resilience has also drawn respect from NRM stalwarts. Frelimo has already held two general elections, so we have a lot to learn from it, says Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, Minister for Internal Affairs. Frelimo fought a protracted struggle for independence and took power. It then faced South-African backed Resistancia Nacional Mocambicana (Renamo) in a bloody confrontation, before reconciliation talks resulted into Renamo transforming itself into a political party. Similarly, NRM is battling Lords Resistance Army (LRA), a rebel force that Uganda suspects is being supported by Sudan. The Government is under international pressure to reconcile with LRA, and there are suggestions that the rebel group be allowed to transform into a political party. Nevertheless, co-operation with Frelimo signals a change of heart. In 2001, NRM contacted ANC to assist it build strong structures that will enable it to remain dominant on the Ugandan scene. MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Re: Presidents of Uganda and Burundi discuss Burundi peace process
Assumpta: As another saying goes ... a one-eyed man among the blind is a genius. Dictator Musevenihas so blinded most African leaders (re: the Great Lakes region) and Ugandans, especially the Baganda, about democracy, that the man is now king, soon to be life presidente. Where is the AU? the EAC? to help Ugandans get rid off dictator Museveni? y From: Assumpta Kintu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Re: Presidents of Uganda and Burundi discuss Burundi peace process Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 11:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Isn't Charity supposed to start at home? What is this? Blind person leading another blind one? Why don't we start with peace in Northern Uganda, Teso etc? Then we can talk Burundi! Or is it the principle of "do as I say, but do not do as I do." The hiight of hypocricy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Presidents of Uganda and Burundi discuss Burundi peace process www.chinaview.cn 2003-09-09 23:24 KAMPALA, Sept. 9 (Xinhuanet) -- Visiting President of Burundi Domitien Ndayizeye held talks with Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni at State House here on Tuesday. The Burundi president arrived in Uganda on Tuesday morning on atwo-day working visit for consultations with President Museveni onthe progress of the Burundi peace process, according to a press release issued by the Ugandan State House here. President Museveni is the chairman of the regional peace initiative on Burundi. The talks between the two presidents mainly centered on the restoration of total peace in Burundi as well as the building of apost transitional government in that central African country, the press release said. Ugandan Second Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs James Wapakhabulo, Minister in charge of the Presidency Ali Kivejinja Kirunda, Minister of State for Regional Cooperation Nshimye Sebutulo attended the talks. The Burundi leader is accompanied by Minister of External Relations and Cooperation Therence Sinunguruza, Minister of Defense Major General Vincent Niyungeko and Minister of Education Prosper Mpawenayo. The Burundi president will meet rebel leader Pierre Nkurunziza during his two-day visit in Uganda, according to local media report on Tuesday. The meeting between the Burundi president and Secretary Generalof the rebel Forces for the Defense of Democracy (FDD) Hussein Radjabue is ahead of a regional summit on Burundi peace process which is expected to hold in Dar es Salaam next Monday. The forthcoming regional summit will discuss how the governmentand the rebels can share power in the central African country. Enditem meanwhile, in Burundi Armed gangs in Burundi kill 17 civilians in ambush NAIROBI, Kenya (Reuters) - Armed gangsters killed 17 civilians after ambushing a bus in northwest Burundi on Wednesday, highlighting insecurity in the country despite efforts to end a decade of civil war, witnesses said. The ambush happened in Mabayi commune in the province of Cibitoke. "A van carrying 17 passengers and full of goods was ambushed by gunmen who killed the passengers one by one and stole their goods and burned the vehicle," said one witness. An army spokesman put the death toll at 14. Civilians have suffered the most in the war that has killed some 300,000 people. The conflict pits various rebel groups from the Hutu majority against a politically dominant Tutsi minority. Both the main rebel groups, the Forces for the Defense of Democracy and the Forces for National Liberation, have been blamed for ambushes, cattle raids and armed robberies. But attacks have also been perpetrated by armed gangsters. 09/10/03 16:04 ET __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Museveni's daughter flew Presidential jet to deliver
Dictator Museveni and his family think ordinary Ugandans don't notice these excesses, but they do. When they andtheir bunch arerun off Kampala, I'm sure dictator Museveni, Natasha, et al.,will wake up to reality! Trappings of power, stay out of it! The end is near. y From: Omar Kezimbira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Museveni's daughter flew Presidential jet to deliver Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Natasha's Shs 180m jet baby sparks off uproar Special Report --- By Ssemujju Ibrahim Nganda Nabusayi L. Wamboka September 28, 2003 - Monitor President Yoweri Museveni's eldest daughter Natasha Kainembabazi Karugire is at the centre of a public controversy after she flew the presidential jet to Germany in August to give birth to her second child. Sunday Monitor's Ssemujju Ibrahim Nganda Nabusayi L. Wamboka put the $90,000 (Shs 180 million) trip into perspective: - Barely two months since Parliament asked the first family to drop their "luxurious life" which costs the tax payer huge sums of money, it has emerged that one of the first daughters flew the presidential jet to Europe to give birth. The Presidential Press Secretary Ms Maria Karooro Okurut confirmed when Sunday Monitor rang her on September 25, that indeed President Yoweri Museveni's daughter Natasha Kainembabazi Karugire flew to Germany on August 19, using the presidential jet GulfStream IV-SP to deliver her second child. "It is true the jet went with the mum," said Karooro. The daughter and her entourage returned on August 29 aboard British Airways with the baby. Ms Natasha Kainembabazi Karugire speaks to the press in this 1998 file photo. Natasha's Germany flight to deliver using the presidential jet has sparked questions about the country's priorities (File photo). Samia Bugwe North MP Aggrey Awori with fair aviation knowledge told Sunday Monitor on September 25, that it costs $5,000 (Shs 10 million) for every hour the jet is in the air. The standard flight hours to any European destination from Entebbe Airport is eight hours. The Gulf Stream takes fewer hours by its technology. The jet spent between 12 to 18 hours in the air the day it flew Natasha. The cost of flying it for 18 hours to Germany and back to Entebbe therefore would be $90,000, which is Shs 180 million. The first daughter flew to Germany with her mother Janet Kataha Museveni and sister Patience Kokundeka Rwabwogo. "This doesn't include expenses like flight crew allowances, air fees, parking fees and accommodation," explains Awori. Sunday Monitor could not establish how much per diem was spent on the first family for the ten days, on the crew and any contingence as State House comptroller, Mr Richard Muhinda, was not answering his cellphone. Conservative estimates by officials who preferred anonymity put the figure to about $50,000 (Shs 100 million). Ms Karooro Okurut said she had no idea how much was spent. State House says it is legal Ms Karooro said the law provides for such a flight. She said that the Presidential Emoluments and Benefits Act provides that each of the four biological or adopted children of the president shall be entitled to one trip abroad per year. She explained that any trip for education or medical purposes shall not be counted as the mandatory one. Karooro said that the law states that such trips shall be at the expense of the State. It further stipulates that when the child travels with either or both parents shall travel first class or by the presidential aircraft. Natasha had her first child at Kololo Hospital, a private hospital in Kampala. At least 1,200 deliveries Normal delivery in Mulago Hospital Complex's private wing costs Shs 150,000. This means that the money spent on Natasha flying to Germany can actually pay for 1,200 mothers that choose to deliver at Mulago's private wing. According to Mulago deputy director Dr Gideon Kikampikaho, depending on the level of sophistication, patients' charges vary. Ordinary Very Important People (OVIPs) in a private wing pay up to Shs 200,000 for three days including meals and medication while Very Very Important People (VVIP) pay up to Shs 400,000 for normal deliveries. However if there are complications and the patient needs to stay in the ward for between 7- 10 days, OVIPs pay between Shs 500,000 - 600,000 while VVIP pay up to one million shillings. In the ordinary wing the money would facilitate thousands of deliveries. In the general wing, what you need is a pair of Shs 1,000 gloves, Shs 2,500 cotton wool and a polythene sheet of Shs 1,500. This brings the total to Shs 5,000 that an ordinary mother needs for delivery at Mulago. The $90,000 would therefore give 36,000 mothers an opportunity to have their babies delivered in a hospital. 19,000 mosquito nets According to the ministry of Health, malaria is a very serious problem in Uganda - as in most
Re: ugnet_: Re: [Kistmo] How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks
Museveni is indeed a shallow thinker. The sad thing is, he thinks is smart! Remember when he introduced barter trade to do international business; and those rotting bananas at Entebbe? y From: Assumpta Kintu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Re: [Kistmo] How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Where have you been hiding all this time? So we finally managed to re-discover YOU? Oh yes! those two share plenty and I keep telling people they are lying in the same bed. Every time they wake up to act, Planet Earth loses plenty in terms of life, freedom, resources which they confine only to themselves. By the time they are done Planet Earth will be non-existance but they would have bought land on the moon and flawn there at our expense. Welcome back and don't disappear again and deprive us of your talents on the net. amk --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M7 is erratic in thought and an intellectual pretender. Incidentally, he shares many traits with the current US president. Batera emundu, batunga obusingye! Stephen In a message dated 9/29/2003 11:56:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mw. Semakula, This is from Daily Nation. How M7's letter torpedoed Cancun talks By SUNDAY G. KISANGARA Reports that President Yoweri Museveni has confirmed sending a letter to the head of Uganda's delegation at the WTO conference at Cancun, urging them to support the European and US position rather than that of the developing countries displays a failure to understand the factors that affect poor economies in globalisation. We know that Museveni wholeheartedly embraced the Agoa Bill when it was being debated in the US and offered little or no support to the HOPE of Africa Bill that was floated as an alternative to Agoa. I really wonder whether he understood Agoa and its implications and whether he ever tried to examine the rationale of HOPE. Musevenis arguments against dumping in the African context are rather shallow. African countries produce primarily agricultural products. They have not dumped these goods on the US market. On the contrary, the US has dumped agricultural products ranging from maize to soya, in Africa directly, or indirectly in the form of aid. On the other hand, Asian countries have dumped electronic goods on the African market, undercutting the expensive Western electronic goods. This Asian dumping is in Africa's interests, given that we dont manufacture any electronic goods. What African governments should do in the short term is to welcome the cheap manufactured goods from Asia and draw up a strategy on how to reverse this in the long term. For 18 years, Museveni has not put a long-term strategy in place for the local manufacturing sector. He is therefore responsible for the Asian dumping of their manufactures on our market. Museveni also fails to understand that the main reasons why African governments cant sell their agricultural products in Western markets is because of artificial restrictions caused by Europeans and US government subsidies that distort the market, tilting the balance in favour of Western farmers. The US legislature passed a Bill authorising massive subsidies to US farmers just weeks after passing the Agoa Bill. Does Mr Museveni really think this was intended to promote Agoa? Does he think Africans can ever trade freely and fairly in an open market without proper reforms? We all know that Museveni is a strong advocate of Ugandas reflexive solidarity with the US and EC, something that is not out of love for his country, but rather, the need to entrench himself in Uganda's politics. These imperialists, out of their national economic interests, have bank-rolled his regime; turned a blind eye to the chaos in our country; paid no attention to Museveni's activities in Rwanda; overlooked Ugandas activities in the DRC, and remained silent on rampant corruption in the country. As a result, he torpedoed the WTO conference in Cancun through his letter, and the end loser in this game was the poor Ugandan farmer. In his letter, Museveni showed a degree of envy for emerging economies like India and Brazil. The performance of the Indian economy, for example, today threatens jobs in the developed world, be it in the IT sector where Western companies have out-sourced their cheap services; in pharmaceutical industries, and in manufacturing. Now, companies like Rover are engaged in delicate negotiations with TATA of India. We should learn from them and not look at them
Re: ugnet_: Museveni still lying lying lying!
Yes, she,Mrs. Okurut will soon 'get a life' in exile! yFrom: Joicye nansikombi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Museveni still lying lying lying! Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 19:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Netters, Yesterday, Ms. okurut came out with an article lying about the circumstances underwhich Dictator Museveni left Kigali and ran back to Uganda. She lied. Today she again lied. In her first statement she did not indicate that M7 had urgent matters to attend to at home. She said that, "... even the Nigerian leader Olusegun Obasanjo left before lunch." The Rwandese Offical said that, "I am surprised that people in Kampala are trying to confuse the world. President Obasanjo was the last to leave. In fact, although he was supposed to go to Sierra Leone, he said it was not proper in the African culture to refuse to have lunch in one's home. He stayed and had lunch with all other heads of stateFor reasons best known by our neighbour, brother and others, he [Museveni] did not have lunch in Kigali. That is to put the record straight..." Now monitor commented that..."He also didn't have any formal talks with Kagame, to the chagrin of Rwanda government officials who thought the two leaders would use the opportunity to make up." Need I say more.Okurut, STOP LYING. Ugandans are fed up and are wide awake and watching. They are even hearing. They know the truth about your lies. People are sick and tired of lies. Get a life! Nansikombi J. Soroti made Museveni cut Kagame lunch By Badru D. Mulumba Evelyn Lirri Oct 1, 2003 KAMPALA President Yoweri Museveni did not skip lunch in Kigali after Mr Paul Kagame inauguration out of anger at the presence of Mr Eriya Kategaya. In separate statements, the Regional Co-operation state minister, Mr Augustine Nshimye, and presidents press secretary, Ms Mary Karooro Okurut said the Rwandan presidents luncheon was competing against Musevenis tight schedule in Soroti. Kagame was sworn in on September 12 in the presence of nine African leaders, amongst them South Africas Thabo Mbeki. Kategaya (ex-Internal Affairs minister), Major Gen. Mugisha Muntu and East African Community secretary general, Mr Amanya Mushega leading opponents of perceived attempts by Museveni to rule beyond 2006 - attended. The president had no reason to be troubled by the presence of anybody at the function, said Karooro. To say that he did not take too kindly the presence of his fellow countrymen who also happen to be close colleagues is a cheap attempt to lower the dignity of His Excellency, she added. Nshimye said that Museveni went to Kigali in spite of his heavy schedule in Soroti where he was overseeing army operations against Lords Resistance Army rebels. He said that Kigali was consulted ahead of the inauguration. Based on the programme received, it was also decided well in advance that [he would] only attend the inauguration ceremony at the stadium and return immediately to Kampala, Nshimye said. This position was conveyed well in advance to the Rwandese Government through our Ambassador in Kigali. Mr Adonia Ayebare is the ambassador. Karooro said that Kagame accorded Museveni the highest recognition of all that were present. He sat next to him and greeted him warmly, addressing him as Mzee. It was significant that he was the first president that Kagame introduced. A schedule released by Karooro, to back her statement indicates that Museveni left Soroti to Entebbe by helicopter. He then boarded the presidential jet for a direct flight to Kigali the same morning, Karooro said. Karooro says Museveni had to be in Soroti in good time. Museveni, she said, flew back to Entebbe and boarded the chopper non-stop to Soroti. © 2003 The Monitor Publications - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Beware of beautiful women
Mitayo, I dont know about Toronto, but Iagree with you, especially about women from Iran and Indonesia, h! My oh my! I used to think the Baganda women, who are urguably the best in Uganda,were also the best in the world, until this! To contribute to your question: I think our African women under-estimate their competition -- they need more than a nice book-shell butt! y From: "Mitayo Potosi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Beware of beautiful women Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 17:50:48 + If you want good, nice, beatiful women come to Toronto. Sweet ones from Iran, Chile, Indonesia, China, Japan, Germany etc The sky is the limit. It is unfortunate African women are so hostile to black men. Even innocent 'hi' is greated with hostility, can you imagine? Is it our poverty or it is backwardness? Mitayo Potosi From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Beware of beautiful women Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:32:30 +0100 (BST) Beware of beautiful women MAN TO MAN --- By Hilary Joseph Bainemigisha Oct 4, 2003 Have you seen a very beautiful woman? Don't direct me there because I am a peace-loving Ugandan. And I have been so since the time I started active combat. I always saw friends who bragged about their beautiful women without telling us about the actual cost of maintaining them. They just enjoyed walking arm-in-arm with a knockout girl, welcomed the envy of the public and what they thought was respect, admiration and approval. Behind the scenes, they would literally throw themselves at her feet, unaware that they were signing proposals to give her more power. Sooner, and never later, she would use those powers to dissolve the parliament and leave the cabinet tumbling after. And when it came to the romantic balance sheet with this beauty-dating pal, we had more timber than his firewood. We were safer in Rwakitura while he was in the Soroti trenches. And it was him who would always complain about congotimbering people. You see, extremely beautiful women came packaged with natural disasters like pride, selfishness and attitude. It is easier to march Kony down Old Port Bell Road than to find a real looker who will not give you a hard time and leave when some Gaetano shows up. I know there are lots of guys out there who wouldn't mind having the misfortune of boyfriending some distilled Abby but look again and see if it is not merely an ego rush problem. What is meaty about women is the thrill, love, respect, honesty, commitment and dependability. Beauty is a wrapping that will peel off when the first baby's cries are heard in your room. And then you will have a woman who believes that all ministries should suffer a 30 percent budgetary cut to fund her vain attempts to retain her previous looks. Don't you see yourself forfeiting your cold bell beer until she discovers that she cannot attract catcalls anymore? By then either you or her (but most probably you) will be on your deathbed, hoping in vain for a third term. As a veteran in the dating trenches, I must tell you that in a lasting relationship, beauty should only be treated like Kakooza Mutale. It helps you come in and, by the time it gets to the point of commitment, it will no longer matter whether he is a major or captain. All you want to do is get him out of your space. If you have a beautiful woman, you are likely to be one of the people who think women are generally selfish. Because she doesn't help you carry the bags and is overly concerned with material things, you think it is a woman thing. But it is not. There are many women of integrity. Those who are dependable and keep their word. You can stay with your beauties and suffer an everlasting struggle to improve yourself. For most beauties are complainers. They are very selfish and consider anything that takes them out of their comfort zone a terrorist. They prefer flying private jets to produce children in Germany. If you have no relationship with State House, and you cannot raid DR Congo for timber, you will have to dust your spear and rob a micro finance office. Because a beauty cannot change her plans to fit yours. It is you who is supposed to rearrange yours to fit her needs. So, brothers, beware of the package that looks perfect. She is a bomb, dresses to assault, attracts attention to you and all that. But you just don't seem to really have fun. You find yourself skipping presidential lunches, picking up enemies as you go along and fighting imaginary foes only to be told that there is no third term. So it is best to weed this woman out of your garden of lovelies as quickly as you can. © 2003 The Monitor Publications -
Re: ugnet_: NATASHA KARUGIRE'S BABY
Emmanuel, Dictator Museveni has been caught with his hands deep in the tax payers' cookie jar. And now you are trying to placate him. Why? y From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: NATASHA KARUGIRE'S BABY Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 14:03:19 -0500 ...but Mr. Kipenji you must agree with Mr.Kironde that previous regimes did far worse and again this is not to excuse the indesgrations of the present government. This has always been my point of strong disagreement with you UPC people, your in ability to first and foremost "remove the log of wood from your own eyes before trying to remove the splinter in someone elses eye". The "holier than thou" image you portray does not wash because we Ugandans know what happened during idi amin, Obote/Okello eras. Nobody is saying that Uganda is perfect and even with the present inperfections Uganda is better off than many countries (i should know 'cos i have been around Africa and world) however what everybody with a sincere and object mind acknowledges and sees is that Uganda is FAR BETTER OFF than the days of your murderous heroes Obote/Okelo and Amin. Infact im my opinion Obote is the genesis of all Ugandas problems because he introduced authoritarian rule to Uganda and from that point on it was down hill for Uganda. Obote elevated Idi Amin in the army (just to use him to eradicate monarchy and destroy our constitution), in so doing gave Amin the opportunity to take power. It is said that to whom much is given much is expected, Obote had the grandest opportunity to realy make Uganda great, he inheritated a sound economy, a very good public service, a very good constitution. In short he inheritated a very good SYSTEM (THE SAME SYSTEM THAT MULINDWA IS YAPPING ABOUT), well what did he do with it? He proceded to destroy it, now the same UPC people like Mulindwa are barking about SYSTEM , SYSTEM after they destroyed. I have been saying and will continue to say that President Museveni is basically doing a clean up job, cleaning Obote, Okelo and Amins messes. Unlike Obote, President Museveni inherited virtually NOTHING, i don't even think there was anything in Uganda's treasury when President Museveni took over. So when i hear the Kipenjis, Mulindwas and Mateks of this world going on about DEMOCRACY, PEACE, SYSTEM and all that i don't get angry, rather i just feel sorry for Uganda and Africa, because they exemplify the African tragedy, which is a vicious cycle of "not learning". We Africans have a habbit of refusing to learn from our mistakes or tragedies. Right now i am ready to bet any amount that if the UPC got back to power they would just continue from where they were stoped and the mayhem which Ugandans were spared when they were removed would start right back. From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: NATASHA KARUGIRE'S BABY Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 13:08:22 +0100 (BST) Kironde,in the 21st Century,I do believe all people who have sought enlightenment through schooling/education,would be the last to put to disuse what they will have invested heavily in interms of time and money.Blanket statements like "Vagabond regimes taking people to Namanve" should really be qualified and proven to have been government policies before being uttered like you have just done. If you indeed believe in transparency as you appear to aver,why not tell your murderous hero Mu7 to stop killing innocent Ugandans,or to you,they are just biological substances who afterall need to be decimated so that your kingdom gets its lost glory? What does this transparency stuff help you achieve if your thief hero is caught red handed and this has been going on for the past 18 years. Has it made the money so spend to be refunded to the treasury? The politics of unprincipled proganda will not help you and your type. Ugandan are just sick of being fleeced by your kleptomaniac and since in the Kavuyo you have gotten something you would rather praise it as transparency.That is indeed crap that is reminiscent of warped minds. Thank you. Kipenji. Ed Kironde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: 02B15DEE-A8E4-439E-944A-A9C4C7176D3D125885F7-F35C-40A8-AFC8-049BF0DEE624no-repeat#106d9erightbottom3CEEA290-42CB-11D4-BA3E-0050DAC6803003CEEA290-42CB-11D4-BA3E-0050DAC6803012B0A59E0-2B1B-11D4-BA28-0050DAC6803002B0A59E0-2B1B-11D4-BA28-0050DAC680301B4868790-2B1B-11D4-BA28-0050DAC680300X-ASN,X-ASH,X-AN,X-AP,X-AD;All the noise made is simply because of the transparency. Gone vagabond regimes used state assets at will. Some of the soldiers abused government property and one owned the Coffee Marketing Board and would only cut the government a check if he felt it was necessary. This is a regime where the president would be challenged on his expenditure,
ugnet_: No Uhuru yet for Ugandans!
Fellow true Ugandans, Today is October 9th. It should have been a day of celebration. Time to indulge and enjoy lots of good food, drink and sex. But it is nowa day to remember that the enslavement of Ugandans by foreigners has been in phases and has not ended. The phase I process, unavoidably and benign, took place on October 9th, 1962. The violent phase II process started on Jan 25th 1971 and reccurred in a different - and more violent and unfortunateform -on January 25, 1986. I hope Ugandans have learned the hard lesson and will now move into phase III - the reclamation on their sovereignty, and keep it for ever. Do it for posterity. Dump dictator Museveni! yMSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. This service is hosted on the Infocom network http://www.infocom.co.ug
Re: ugnet_: Hereoes boycott state luncheon(Is it the case of the Old Man and The Medal?)
There is indeed nothing to celebrate about in dictator Museveni's 9th October!!!y From: Owor Kipenji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Hereoes boycott state luncheon(Is it the case of the Old Man and The Medal?) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:02:28 +0100 (BST) Heroes boycott state luncheon By Elizabeth Agiro Badru D. Mulumba Oct 10, 2003 Kakoma, Akorimo dejected at Kololo KOLOLO Two national heroes who were invited to the 41st Independence Day celebrations boycotted a scheduled state luncheon after they left Kololo Airstrip disappointed. Retired Maj. Kanuti Akorimo, the man who brought down the Union Jack for the last time and raised the black-yellow-red flag at Independence, and Prof. George Kakoma, who composed the national anthem, had apparently expected some sort of reward at Kololo yesterday. However, all they got was a handshake from President Yoweri Museveni and an invitation to a luncheon, which they chose not to honour. Me and Kakoma decided not to go, Akorimo told The Monitor on phone last night from the College Inn in Wandegeya, where he is booked. We didnt want to deal with politicians, he added. I have decided to pack my bags and go back to my home. The Minister of State for Information, Mr Nsaba Buturo, had promised that two former traditional leaders, Kabaka Mwanga of Buganda and Omukama Kabalega of Bunyoro, were to be recognised as national heroes at yesterdays ceremony. But they were not even mentioned. The minister told The Monitor last night that Ugandas heroes have not yet been identified. We gave the wrong impression, he said. We had no reliable system on who heroes should be. The minister said that the government is yet to decide what form of reward or formal recognition it will give such heroes. We havent decided and it is still under discussion, he said. Buturo said the heroes would probably have to wait for another year to get their laurels. Well put in place a system next year whereby a committee will decide on who the heroes will be, he said by phone. Akorimo had earlier told The Monitor at Kololo that he was looking forward to his moment in the sun. He got to stand in the sweltering midday heat, all right, but it was not exactly what he had been looking forward to. It was very exciting bringing down the Union Jack and replacing it with the National Flag, he told The Monitor at the spot where he did the historic act exactly 41 years ago yesterday. The retired officer said he received a letter from Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth of England promoting him to the rank of Staff Major. He claims that envious officers in the army hounded him and forced him out four years later. I retired on August 24, 1966, he said. I didnt [like] the leadership which [Milton Obote] had. What followed were more than three decades of obscurity for Akorimo until he was fished out of his native Kumi district this week to attend the ceremony. It was the first time he had attended the Independence anniversary at Kololo because, in his words, I have never been invited. Akorimo told The Monitor that President Musevenis son-in-law, Mr Odrek Rwabwogo, who owns the public relations firm TERP, brought him to Kampala. I feel we should be honoured, he said at Kololo after the ceremony. [We] were also expecting a military package but nothing has happened. Akorimos local MP, Mr Patrick Amuriat (Kumi), said: Well, I thought he should be given a medal. Hoisting a flag is a simple thing but it is historic; this should have come long before. He should not have been just left like that. He deserves more than just appearing in public. The Monitor caught up with Kakoma as he was rushed to a waiting car that was taking invited guests to the Kabira Country Club for lunch the lunch that he and Akorimo later boycotted. Did he expect anything, an award? I have merely been introduced. We dont know [if there is more]. We dont know, he said, as a guide prompted him not to answer. MP Oboi said it is time Parliament took up the issue of honouring Ugandas heroes. Well, for us, we think he [Akorimo] still remains an hero, Oboi said. He remains our hero; it is something that I, as an MP, will bring up. Aiding the faint hearted Meanwhile, many people got injured or suffered heat exhaustion while attending the celebrations at Kololo Airstrip. Sr. Helen Bileti, a senior nursing officer at Mulago hospital, said that about 74 people went to the Mulago tent for treatment after having suffered various injuries. Mulago, Red Cross and the army operated separate tents to help people. Earlier two UPDF soldiers fainted while on parade. They were carried off on stretchers to the UPDF tent. A nurse at the UPDF tent, who declined to reveal her name, said there were only about five soldiers who
ugnet_: His Excellency the Thief!
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Re: ugnet_: UGANDA GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SHUT ME UP
Mulindwa, China Keitetsi's letter below raises the question of whether some NRM leaders might be Pedophiles. If this proves to be the case, a serious case could be made in The Hague to have such leaders arrested if they ever venture outside Uganda. y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: UGANDA GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SHUT ME UP Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:33:10 -0500 China Keitetsi; the NRM Quest to shut me up Dear Editor, I write to make a few comments on a commentary sent to you by Hussein Kashillingi that appeared in your paper sometime last week. The government of Uganda have for some time been trying to make me keep quiet about my experiences as a child soldier. They have used many tricks in their attempt to make the world believe that my book is nothing but lies. After the first lies published by Government-owned News paper New Vision I wrote one article ( see The Monitor of 17 February 2002 ), which I responded to. New Vision refused to publish this article of mine, but The Monitor accepted to. New Vision kept on writing and I knew (of cause) that I am not as big as the NRM government of Uganda, who can print a new article every day, besides, I didn't see it necessary to reply to all the government machinated attempts in its quest to shut me down. In the best of my knowledge, Afande Yoweri Museveni's government still uses children, just see the Global Report of 2001. January 2001 700 children were taken from Democratic Republic of Congo to Kyankwanzi in Uganda for military training. UNICEF managed to rescue 163, this even managed to reach CNN. The way it looks here is that Afande Yoweri Museveni and ministers Amama Mbabazi and Nagenda have forgotten the hundreds of children they marched with in 1986 when taking over Kampala. If Afande Museveni has forgotten let me remind him of a friend of mine who was his bodyguard as a 9-years-old until he died: F. Kayanja. For me it is not a new thing. Anyone who talked ill of the NRM government is an `Adui´ (meaning enemy). When you are a girl or woman, they will use words such as: Malaya (whore) or/and a liar. Imagine your name being associated with such words o n a newspaper headline; maybe you will be part of the many who say no more. For me I cannot, because NRA (UPDF) took away my dignity, my childhood and much more. For this reason and for the sake of the little children, I will never keep quiet, I will keep on, that no child goes through the same long road I have walked. The NRM government cannot abuse me anymore. I am safe now, but there are many like the 700 kids from the DRC who were taken away from their country and their parents to train for war. This is a mark for life, a scar that I will always feel, and it can't be washed away. This is one of the reasons that I refuse to enjoy this freedom alone. No matter how many international courts the NRM government threaten to take me to including the Hague, I'll keep on being the free voice of those children still forced into wars. I challenge Afande Museveni's Team of lawyers and ministers to bring their evidence to Den Hague. But remember my friends, fellow Ugandans; there are still a few of my comrades left who go further back in NRA history than me (I got there in 1984!). They know me, as well as you. I must say to Afande Shaban Bantariza that I joined the NRM/A in 1984. I still wonder where you got the false information. I wasn't born in 1970. If you have read the book, then you have chosen to say the opposite. Bantariza chooses to forget that I rejoined the army, and that was in Nyakyishara, and not in Ibanda or Kamukuzi, as he happily lies. He is just like many other dishonest intellectuals who have been telling a lot of lies in order to protect their job. Just like them, Bantariza is being paid to turn the truth into lies. I am so scared because four ministers an d their ministries are after me, as if I had committed a crime against humanity. All I did is to tell the truth on what happened to me and other children-comrade. If Afande Museveni has a heart he would have appointed a team of lawyers and soldiers to bring the person who have been terrorising children for the past 17 years in the north. If anyone should be taken to court, it is Afande Museveni and other Afandes of NRM/A that should be taken to Court for having abused me and other children of my generation or the hundreds taken from the DRC for military training in Uganda. After the pain and the dignity they took away from me as a woman, I thought of taking them to court but I was scared because I had the fear that the NRM with all the team of intellectuals trained in telling
Re: ugnet_: CHILD SOLDIERS THAT MUSEVENI USED SPEAK UP
... I knew he was dead. I could not cry - I simply couldnt for fear of breaking down... the time he fell, we couldnt stop. We had to carry on because we had to cross that bridge. We dedicated our very souls to the NRA, to Museveni, but it is all for nothing, she says. ... y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: CHILD SOLDIERS THAT MUSEVENI USED SPEAK UP Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:53:14 -0500 China, War Child Date : 02 September 2001 Producer : Susan Puren Presenter : Ruda Landman Genre : Africa At only 24 years of age, she has long lost count of those she'd seen dying in the name of freedom. In fact, she can't even recall how many of those she'd killed herself. It's a summer's day in Denmark and at the world-famous Tivoli in Copenhagen people are streaming through the gates. Apart from the Danes, tourists from all over come here for some fun and entertainment. But this visitor is no tourist, she speaks Danish and lives here. Looking so relaxed and happy, no one would believe that for most of her life she'd been caught up in a spiral of violence in Africa. At only 24 years of age, she has long lost count of those she'd seen dying in the name of freedom. In fact, she can't even recall how many of those she'd killed herself. It's hard to say, and I usually say to myself, 'It's not me who has killed them, it's the gun'. That makes it a little easier for me to go on with my life, she says. It's these horrid memories that she's now put in writing - in what's probably the first book of its kind, written by a former child soldier in Uganda. One evening about 16-years ago, an eight-year-old girl got lost in the bush near her home in western Uganda. She came across two men who offered the tired child a place to sleep. When she woke up, her whole life had changed. When I woke up there were different ages, younger than me, older than me. I heard kids... someone training... 'left, right, left, right'. That's what it was - a beautiful game. I couldn't wait to join in, she explains. It was 1984 and in Uganda the National Resistance Army of the young Yoweri Museveni had been fighting for three years against the tyranny that the country's president, Milton Obote, had unleashed upon the Ugandan nation. She soon realised that it was not beautiful and not a game: He took me out of the parade and asked me my name. I told him my name and he couldn't pronounce it and then I looked down and he said to me, 'Look at me you, with your small Chinese eyes'. I looked at him and then he said, 'China left right, China left right'. And from that day on, her name was China: I wasn't the only one with China, for example. There were others with names of 'Suicide', 'Chuck Norris', 'Rambo', 'Strike Commando', and you feel with that name that you can kill the entire battalion alone. China had inadvertently landed herself in the NRA - an African rebel movement of which some soldiers were barely eight-years old. We were told that the gun was our mother, is our friend, is our everything, she says. Many of these children were orphans - their parents had been massacred by the Obote government's troops or thrown into jail. For five years, as they were progressing towards the capital, Kampala, the NRA simply just took these children into their ranks. And because so many of them were destitute, they had no other option - they had to become soldiers. Those taken captive by the NRA were not only tortured. Back at the camp the commanders would order them to dig their own graves and then they were told how they would be killed. Some of the kids wanted to practice by using a kakumbi to hit them on the forehead and the back of the head. That was a terrible death because you could see the whole forehead going inside, but the person still not dead. And then a stronger guy would come and finish the men, she says. It's hard to imagine, but the eight-year old China was exposed to these horrors before she took part in her first battle, at a time when she was still physically too small to carry a gun. What confused the child most was that she was feeling sorry for the enemy. But I had to get rid of that, somehow to say, 'I am now a killer because this is what I came to do here', she says. After surviving two major battles, China and her fellow child soldiers were taken into the NRA's 5th Battalion. The Entebbe International Airport was their next target. But first they had to cross a narrow bridge called Katonga - a mission many thought to be suicidal. Among the fallen on that day was China's best friend, a
Re: ugnet_: UGANDA GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SHUT ME UP
Where the comments on this from the Lutimba Matovu's et al? y From: Y Yaobang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: UGANDA GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SHUT ME UP Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 18:11:34 + Mulindwa, China Keitetsi's letter below raises the question of whether some NRM leaders might be Pedophiles. If this proves to be the case, a serious case could be made in The Hague to have such leaders arrested if they ever venture outside Uganda. y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: UGANDA GOVERNMENT IS TRYING TO SHUT ME UP Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 18:33:10 -0500 China Keitetsi; the NRM Quest to shut me up Dear Editor, I write to make a few comments on a commentary sent to you by Hussein Kashillingi that appeared in your paper sometime last week. The government of Uganda have for some time been trying to make me keep quiet about my experiences as a child soldier. They have used many tricks in their attempt to make the world believe that my book is nothing but lies. After the first lies published by Government-owned News paper New Vision I wrote one article ( see The Monitor of 17 February 2002 ), which I responded to. New Vision refused to publish this article of mine, but The Monitor accepted to. New Vision kept on writing and I knew (of cause) that I am not as big as the NRM government of Uganda, who can print a new article every day, besides, I didn't see it necessary to reply to all the government machinated attempts in its quest to shut me down. In the best of my knowledge, Afande Yoweri Museveni's government still uses children, just see the Global Report of 2001. January 2001 700 children were taken from Democratic Republic of Congo to Kyankwanzi in Uganda for military training. UNICEF managed to rescue 163, this even managed to reach CNN. The way it looks here is that Afande Yoweri Museveni and ministers Amama Mbabazi and Nagenda have forgotten the hundreds of children they marched with in 1986 when taking over Kampala. If Afande Museveni has forgotten let me remind him of a friend of mine who was his bodyguard as a 9-years-old until he died: F. Kayanja. For me it is not a new thing. Anyone who talked ill of the NRM government is an `Adui´ (meaning enemy). When you are a girl or woman, they will use words such as: Malaya (whore) or/and a liar. Imagine your name being associated with such words o n a newspaper headline; maybe you will be part of the many who say no more. For me I cannot, because NRA (UPDF) took away my dignity, my childhood and much more. For this reason and for the sake of the little children, I will never keep quiet, I will keep on, that no child goes through the same long road I have walked. The NRM government cannot abuse me anymore. I am safe now, but there are many like the 700 kids from the DRC who were taken away from their country and their parents to train for war. This is a mark for life, a scar that I will always feel, and it can't be washed away. This is one of the reasons that I refuse to enjoy this freedom alone. No matter how many international courts the NRM government threaten to take me to including the Hague, I'll keep on being the free voice of those children still forced into wars. I challenge Afande Museveni's Team of lawyers and ministers to bring their evidence to Den Hague. But remember my friends, fellow Ugandans; there are still a few of my comrades left who go further back in NRA history than me (I got there in 1984!). They know me, as well as you. I must say to Afande Shaban Bantariza that I joined the NRM/A in 1984. I still wonder where you got the false information. I wasn't born in 1970. If you have read the book, then you have chosen to say the opposite. Bantariza chooses to forget that I rejoined the army, and that was in Nyakyishara, and not in Ibanda or Kamukuzi, as he happily lies. He is just like many other dishonest intellectuals who have been telling a lot of lies in order to protect their job. Just like them, Bantariza is being paid to turn the truth into lies. I am so scared because four ministers an d their ministries are after me, as if I had committed a crime against humanity. All I did is to tell the truth on what happened to me and other children-comrade. If Afande Museveni has a heart he would have appointed a team of lawyers and soldiers to bring the person who have been terrorising children for the past 17 years in the north. If anyone should be taken to court, it is Afande Museveni and other Afandes of NRM/A that should be taken to Court for having abused me and other children of my generation or the hundreds taken from
Re: ugnet_: Security use snakes to force confession
Lutimba, Please re-read the article. It doesnt say anywhere in the report as you say .. one train a snake and a crocodile to torture a human being ... The message was that the NRM uses roomfulls/cages of snakes and crocs to threaten people. Lutimba, even you, if someone threatened to throw you into a cage of cobras wouldnt you wet and even take a dump in your pants? Read this: ... He said Lt. Mugarura remained blindfolded for four nights before his tormentor unleashed red ants unto him. He said the man was finally ushered into a room with big snakes ready to bite and he accepted working with Besigye. ... By the way, dont forget to respond to the China story. y From: Lutimba Matovu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Security use snakes to force confession Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:36:23 -0800 (PST) Netters, Do you really believe this story? How can one train a snake and a crocodile to torture a human being? This is pure fantasy, and only fools believe this and even waste time to comment on it. The movement government has more important things to do like stoping Kony mayhem than waste time unleashing snakes and croco's on opponents. LM --- J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Museveni's clear-headed government is the greatest danger to democracy and freedom in Uganda today. In its use of torture and wanton abuse of human rights -- in addition to total disregard of the provisions of it's own Constitution -- there is no difference between it and the regimes of Obote and Amin. Totalitarianism by any name, e.g. Movement, is still plain old dictatorship. Original Message Follows From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Security use snakes to force confession Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 23:00:24 EST Security use snakes to force confessions By Ssemujju Ibrahim Nganda MPs claim even crocodiles used Security organs are using snakes and crocodiles to make treason suspects confess, Parliament heard yesterday. The treatment of suspects detained in alleged torture chambers dominated debate as Parliament resumed work from a long Christmas and New Year holiday. Kashari MP John Kazoora informed the House that he had received reports that suspects are dumped into cages of snakes and crocodiles. “As Parliament, we must do something,” Mr. Kazoora said. Holding a copy of the latest Uganda Human Rights Commission magazine, Kazoora drew the attention of Speaker Edward Ssekandi to “unconstitutional arrests and detentions that happened during the recess”. His submission was supported by Tororo County MP Geoffrey Ekanya. Mr. Ekanya began on rather a low tone but turned angry and spoke with a lot of energy when it came to arrests. He said most of the people arrested belong to the Reform Agenda, a political pressure group formed by supporters of former presidential candidate Kizza Besigye. A visibly furious Mr. Ekanya said in some cases, the suspects' private parts are exposed before they are tortured. Makindye East MP Michael Mabikke got on to a rather bad start when Aruu MP Odonga Otto suggested disciplinary action against him for bragging about “ interfering” in Kenya elections. Mr. Mabikke redeemed himself when he addressed himself to the issue of torture that is allegedly going on in the ‘safe houses’. Mr. Mabikke said Ugandans had hope in the Movement and that it is very unfortunate that the regime is slowly following in the footsteps of former president Idi Amin. “It has surpassed¼,” chorused some MPs. Mr. Mabikke spoilt things for himself again when he alleged that the 23 percent budget cut from ministry budgets was used to buy snakes and crocodiles. Minister of Defence Amama Mbabazi raised a point of order and asked Speaker Ssekandi whether Mr. Mabikke was in order to allege that the extra budget provision extended to the Defence ministry was for establishing cages and to fill them with snakes. Mr. Mabikke replied by telling Mr. Mbabazi that most “of these things happened when the minister was busy in Kinkizi West campaigning against himself”. Mr. Mbabazi’s supporters in Parliament got angry with Mr. Mabikke, and the first to protest with a point of order was Victoria Sebagereka (Kayunga). Because no ruling had been made about Mr. Mbabazi’s earlier point of order, hers was simply ignored. Mr. Isa Kikungwe (Kyaddondo South) came to the rescue of his Democratic Party colleague and said Lt. Dan Mugarura had the worst of his life during detention. He said Lt. Mugarura remained blindfolded for four nights before his tormentor unleashed red ants unto him. He said the man was finally ushered into a room with big snakes ready to bite and he accepted working with Besigye. Mr. Mbabazi denied that such things were happening. He said although he doesn’ t believe in the story, he would investigate it. National Political Commissar Dr. Crispus Kiyonga
Re: ugnet_: Movement Decides On Parties March 25
Matek, The script is already written. The fat lady has already sang. Dictator Museveni, dying to be life president and realising that he could not muster enough local and diplomatic support to get a fith term for president under the monolithic MRM/NRA, now uses the only trick left - change the political system to multiparty (or a version of his making). That way he has two more 5-year terms (according to his 1995 constitution). Kids, 2016 is soon coming up, wait in line. And how old and what rank will Major Kaneirugaba (Museveni's son) be then? Fit to take over from his old fart. y From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Movement Decides On Parties March 25 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 18:38:10 EST Movement Decides On Parties March 25 A HREF=http://allafrica.com/publishers.html?passed_name=The%20Monitorpassed_location=Kampala;The Monitor/A (Kampala) February 25, 2003 Posted to the web February 25, 2003 Ssemujju Ibrahim Nganda Kampala The top Movement organs convene next month to debate and take a decision on the possible return to multiparty politics. The Movement National Conference will also choose new leaders. President Yoweri Museveni's term as Movement chairman and that of Mr Moses Kigongo as vice chairman expire mid this year. This is to give notice to all members of the National Executive Committee of the National Conference of the meeting of the 7th National Executive Committee to take place on 25-28 March 2003 at the National Leadership Institute, Kyankwanzi, reads Museveni's instrument. Museveni signed the instrument summoning the meeting on 20 February. The Movement Act provides for at least two NEC meetings every year but none was convened in 2002. The National Executive Committee (NEC) would convene first to receive a report on the calls to free political parties from an ad hoc committee set up in December 2001, during a retreat at Kyankwanzi. This followed open calls from ministers Bidandi Ssali, Eriya Kategaya and James Wapakhabulo that it is time to free the political space. National Political Commissar Dr Crispus Kiyonga was appointed to head the committee, of which Mr Bidandi and Mr Kategaya are members. Others include Attorney General Francis Ayume, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Felix Okot, Minister of State for High Education Betty Akech and Maj. Roland Kakooza Mutale. The committee was given four months to compile its report. It would then present it to Mr Museveni for onward presentation to the NEC. Committee members thought it would be appropriate to compile their report after discussions with Mr Museveni but the president didn't find time to meet them in 2002. The president this year found time and has since reportedly met the committee at least three times. Sources close to the committee said that a final meeting would be convened to adopt the report, which would again be officially presented to Mr Museveni. Museveni would then present the report to the NEC. NEC members would debate it and if adopted recommend it to the National Conference. According to the instruments Mr Museveni signed, the Movement National Conference would convene in Kampala between March 29-31. Mr Kiyonga issued a press release yesterday announcing that the Movement Secretariat has started sending out the necessary documents to Movement cadres. Presentation of the ad hoc committee report is item number 6 on the NEC agenda. Mr Museveni will also deliver a keynote address to both the NEC and National Conference. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: BBC News E-mail: Kenya frees death row inmates
Ed Kironde, When shall we free those being tortured/suffering/dying in Museveni's Uganda safe houses and other jails? y From: Ed Kironde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: BBC News E-mail: Kenya frees death row inmates Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:31 + Ed Kironde saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. Message: *Kenya frees death row inmates* http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/africa/2799315.stm The Kenyan Government releases 28 prisoners on death row and commutes the death sentence of 195 others to life in prison. BBC Daily E-mail Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/dailyemail/ Disclaimer: The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything said in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views. If you don't wish to receive such mails in the future, please e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] making sure you include the following text: I do not want to receive E-mail a friend mailings. _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: MPs confirm snake torture in safe houses
This is dictator Museveni's reptilian culture of violence! What does Mr. Lutimba Matovu say to this now? y From: gook makanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: MPs confirm snake torture in safe houses Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 06:42:28 + _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ---BeginMessage--- National MPs confirm snake torture in safe houses By Ssemujju Ibrahim NgandaMembers of Parliament who last week visited prisoners at Kigo Prison have confirmed allegations that security personnel use snakes and red ants to extract confessions from suspects.The MPs on the Parliamentary committee on Defence and Internal Affairs visited Kigo Prison off Entebbe Road on 19 February and interviewed prisoners, mostly those on treason charges.Mr Joseph Kule Muranga (Busongora North) led the parliamentary team. The committee chairman Simon Mayende did not accompany the delegation. The committee went to Kigo Prison following allegations by some MPs in the House that they had received reports that snakes, crocodiles and red ants are unleashed on prisoners to force them to confess.Some of the prisoners said they were badly tortured. Two of them showed me their testicles which they claimed were smashed, committee member Mr Harry Kasigwa told The Monitor yesterday. Kasigwa is MP for Jinja Municipality W! est.He said some of the prisoners had scars on their buttocks, which showed that they had been seriously caned.One of them said his buttocks were knifed, the MP said. He said some prisoners told the committee that security agencies pierced their nails with pins. One of them had a panga [machete] cut in his head, Mr Kasigwa said.He said prisoners claimed that 461 inmates were at one time kept in an underground prison in Makindye army barracks.But Army spokesman Maj. Shaban Bantariza dismissed that claim. He said MPs have the powers under the law to access any Defence installations. He said they should photograph those inmates and move a motion in Parliament.Mr Kasigwa said inmates Wilson Kyaligonza and Nicholas Ruzinda had wounds.He said Lt. Dan Mugarura told the committee that he was blindfolded after his arrest and was dumped inside a safe house (ungazetted detention centres). He said Mugarura told the MPs that he was once put ! in a room full of red ants and later in another one where ther! e was a snake.Mr Kasigwa said the chairman of Bugantira LC-III in Gulu was also severely tortured.He said a woman called Lagulu, who was picked with 19 others from Gulu Prison by the army, said she was sexually abused while in Gulu army barracks.Maj. Bantariza refuted all these claims. He said if the army wanted to torture people it wouldnt use such primitive methods.Treason suspects who were transferred from Gulu to Kigo told the committee that while in Gulu they used a single basin as a urinal, toilet and food utensil.There are 98 treason suspects at Kigo and 104 others who were arrested by Operation Wembley soldiers. Wembley suspects are the most tortured, Mr Kasigwa said.In total there are 720 prisoners at Kigo but the prison was constructed to accommodate 420.Aswa MP Ronald Reagan Okumu, who has been following the case of Gulu treason suspects, said the inmates had told him of these horrible stories.The committee will make its report t! his week and table it before Parliament.February 25, 2003 12:14:09 Gook We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the vitriolic words and actions of bad people but also for the appalling silence of good people". M.L.King The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: [Ugandacom] Museveni Promotes Officers
Mulindwa, Good questions to our brother Matovu. Museveni is like Amin, if not worse! Amin made himself Field Mrshall, Museveni made himself Lt. General. Is this military mastarbation? That's what it is, mastarbation. Now Museveni has done a notch better than Amin. Museveni has promoted his son. Now that's I'd call incestual military mastarbation. Not even Gaddafi has promoted himself? y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: [Ugandacom] Museveni Promotes Officers Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:45:11 -0500 Mwaami Matovu It does not help you to call me stupid when you have not understood the question. You see I am trying my best to see that you do not embarrass your self again, as you came into the forum and called the claims of snakes in the safe houses a stupid statement. So let us go slow here my Ugandan friend. Museveni, Your president, is a Lt. General, and a commander in chief of the UPDF. But having stated that, my question was and still is Who commissioned a man Yoweri Museveni to be a commissioned officer? This is a very simple question, he can promote all of them as I can as well promote you now to be a Captain. That is all I want to know. Who commissioned Museveni in the armed forces? Matovu answer my question, don't be like Mwaami Kigundu who made allegations on my posting and then moderated my response, to the effect that it was only received by those on Ugandacom. Yet in his Blab Blab he stated that Uganda has allot of news for there is no limit, any one can write what he/she wants!! They are very strange days indeed, to see how our fellow Baganda treat us. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni Uganda is in Anarchy Le groupe de transmission de Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, Ouganda est dans anarchy - Original Message - From: Lutimba Matovu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:53 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Re: [Ugandacom] Museveni Promotes Officers Mulindwa, Don't expose your stupidity. Museveni apart from being a Lt.General is also commander in chief of the UPDF. The constitution also empowers him to promote, demote and expell any soldier or officer of the UPDF. LM --- Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But how can Museveni a non commissioned officer, commission officers? Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni Uganda is in Anarchy Le groupe de transmission de Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, Ouganda est dans anarchy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:51 PM Subject: [Ugandacom] Museveni Promotes Officers As if to say this newly appointed officers will save Museveni neck! Museveni Promotes Officers The Monitor (Kampala) February 24, 2003 Posted to the web February 25, 2003 Alex B. Atuhaire Kampala President Yoweri Museveni has promoted 69 army officers, including Leo Kyanda, the commanding officer of the Presidential Guard Brigade (PGB). The PGB is the former Presidential Protection Unit (PPU), which was recently upgraded to a full brigade. The promotions include four majors elevated to lieutenant colonel, 54 captains elevated to major and 11 lieutenants elevated to captain. Army spokesman Maj. Shaban Bantariza confirmed the promotions yesterday but declined to give details. Lt. Col. Kyanda, who is abroad on a course, was promoted alongside three other majors; Timothy Sabiiti, Kimbowa and Paul L'Okech. Lt. Col. Kimbowa is the acting commander of the PGB. Also promoted is President Museven's son, who now becomes Maj. Muhoozi Kainerugaba. The former captain recently returned from further military training in Egypt. He is now in charge of the PGB's motorised infantry. Nuwe Kyepaka, formerly a captain, has been promoted to Major. Maj. Kyepaka, a long time aide to Army Commander Maj. Gen. James Kazini, is now the officer in charge of operations and training in the Military Police. Maj. Kyepaka recently trained in Egypt with Maj. Muhoozi Kainerugaba. Other newly promoted majors are David Lumumba, O. Buturo, Felix Nyero, Kabanda, James Kateera, Otim, Pande and Sunday. Maj. Lumumba, formerly the intelligence officer for the 2 Division in Mbarara, is reportedly the new director of counter intelligence at the Chieftaincy of Military Intelligence (CMI), a post formerly held by Maj. Buturo. Maj. Buturo has been re-assigned to head another CMI directorate. Maj. Kateera, formerly the PPU intelligence officer, has been re-assigned as officer in charge of training and operations in the PGB. Maj. Nyero is the commanding officer for
RE: ugnet_: THE IMPORTANCE OF E-MAIL ADRESSES
Ed Kironde, Talking about e-mail, what happened to your buddy Mr. Lutimba Matovu. He has kept quiet over the denial statements he made about snake/croc tortures by the Museveni dictatorship. And while we are at it, what about the reported denials by Kigongo, the vice-chair of the NRM/NRA, that dictator Museveni had not allowed party politics (it was all media hype). Tell us the truth; you seemed to know all before! y From: Ed Kironde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: ugnet_: THE IMPORTANCE OF E-MAIL ADRESSES Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:45:17 -0700 Mulindwa When you talk of updates, many of E-mail addresses of our Hon members do not work. Good many of them have bounced back. Some of them, when their accounts were configured, they may not have ever signed in to be prompted to change their passwords and the period may have lapsed. The other issue, changing servers does not necessarily mean that you E-mail account changes. Changing providers, your E-mail goes though these days you can pay a fee to have your personal E-mail for life. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mulindwa Edward Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 1:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: THE IMPORTANCE OF E-MAIL ADRESSES Importance: High Netters I have decided to put note on what many of us have taken for granted, an E-mail address, or Electronic address, for we have failed to understand how important it is to the people who communicate with us. Good as technology has become, we are still having a problem of changing a server and we maintain the old Email address. That is why they all end up with @ at something, that some thing is the provider of your E-mail address. Now many times we change these servers due to several reasons, companies go under belly, we get better services or we even get cheaper services. The moment we change them, our E-mail addresses change. Now this is the problem we are finding in Uganda E-mail users, and it does not matter whether they are companies, Government offices, travel agents, or even government ministers. When they change a server they do not alert the people who communicate with them. And it is not necessary to send a note to every body that you have changed the address, but if your E-mail address is on a permanent list, a list which you know that we go to, please by all means change it. It is very absurd when you go to a permanent page like Uganda Pages, a page where I am supposed to find current information on Uganda companies, and find that all travel agents which are on Uganda Pages, at least 80% of them have dead E-mail addresses. When you call the travel agent and ask them why their E-mail address is bad then she tells you how you have a wrong one, but mom I got it from Uganda Home pages? Why do I have to go to a list of Uganda government, and three quarters of MP's email addresses are wrong? As we speak how many Minister's E-mail addresses are good today? And I take it that some MP knows that his/her E-mail address is on the Uganda Government page and that is where we all go to look for them. People computers have a thing called address, and they all go into that thing, why are the ones in Uganda the only ones we can not depend on? Please note, that because our communicating with people is important for example here, Simpatico is giving better deals these days, but I can not change from my server, for I have been with him for such a long time and my E-mail address is all over the place. So if it is looking for cheaper ones, please sacrifice those little Uganda Shillings and stay where you are. But most of all, if you know that your address is on a permanent list please up date it. And can some one from Uganda Government get off their butt and up date that page for crying out loud, or we still need some one from World Bank to do it for us? Talk about strange days. Edward Mulindwa Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni Uganda is in Anarchy Le groupe de transmission de Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, Ouganda est dans anarchy --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.458 / Virus Database: 257 - Release Date: 2/24/2003 _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: UGANDA LEADER SACKS ARMY CHIEF
Mulindwa: Museveni should sack himself, since: ...Museveni has ... himself been accused by U.N. officials of involvement in the illegal exploitation of the Democratic Republic of Congo's natural wealth. ... y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: UGANDA LEADER SACKS ARMY CHIEF Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 18:52:31 -0400 KAMPALA, June 6 (Reuters) - Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni sacked his army commander on Friday, removing a figure accused by United Nations experts of playing a key role in the plundering of Congo's natural resources. Museveni has faced pressure from aid donors to tackle corrupt officials and has himself been accused by U.N. officials of involvement in the illegal exploitation of the Democratic Republic of Congo's natural wealth. A statement from Museveni's office said Major-General James Kazini, who was appointed in November 2001, would be replaced by Major-General Aronda Nyakairima. The president has promoted Brigadier Aronda Nyakairima to Major-General and appointed him the new army commander of the Uganda People's Defence Forces, the statement said. A report issued last year by U.N. experts on looting in the mineral-rich Congo named Kazini as one of the key figures in an elite Ugandan network it accused of pillaging gold, diamonds, timber and other commodities. The report, which followed a similar U.N. investigation published in 2001, accused members of the Ugandan, Rwandan and Zimbabwean armed forces of involvement in the plunder. Officials in the three country's have denied the charges. Museveni has dismissed allegations by U.N. investigators that he was involved. A Ugandan probe to investigate the U.N. charges said in May it had exonerated Museveni, but recommended that Kazini and Museveni's sister-in-law be investigated in connection with alleged diamond smuggling in the Congo. Congo's war, now gradually subsiding, began in 1998 when Rwanda and Uganda invaded eastern Congo to help rebel groups fight the Kinshasa government, which was propped up by troops from Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia. The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: ugnet_: Hate malwa groups if you fear free speech
Mulindwa, So every muganda should sing, Akalulu ka Museveni yekka!. y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Hate malwa groups if you fear free speech Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:11:47 -0400 Ssemakula At least Museveni loves Baganda, for now we are very powerful in Uganda. It does not matter what you say about him. This is a man who gave us the kingdoms back, he is soon giving us Federalism and he has killed very many Northerners who are the political problem of Uganda. And we must continue to be on the bus singing Museveni Oye !!! Ffe kasita twebaka. This is not a right time to abandon him. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: J Ssemakula To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 8:03 PM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Hate malwa groups if you fear free speech These days Mu7's maxim seems to be: If I need your opinion, I'll give it to you. (who said that?) Original Message Follows From: gook makanga Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Hate malwa groups if you fear free speech Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:21:15 + -- Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
ugnet_: VP Bukenya talks
What a disgusting statement from Uganda's VP-elect: I will support Museveni like it or not. Museveni has moulded me, he has taught me politics, he is my political mentor and I cannot leave him. Where would I go if I decided to leave Museveni? y I Started 3rd Term Talk, Says Bukenya By Edris Kisambira VICE President Prof. Gilbert Bukenya said yesterday that he initiated the third-term talk and he cannot stop it. Speaking in Luganda at Kakiri at the launch of a Euros1.1m food security project, Bukenya said, Nze natandika okwogera ku kisanja ekyokusatu, ate nyinza ntya okutandika okugaana abantu okukyogerako? (I initiated the third term talk, how can I then come out and try to stop it?). Bukenya, who hosted the European Union (EU), Italian and Chinese ambassadors was reacting to a lead story in The Monitor newspaper of Friday that said he had stopped people from agitating for a third term for President Yoweri Museveni. Yesterday (Thursday) we were in Namayumba launching a new malaria drug. I did not mention anything to do with the third term but The Monitor has come out with a story that is contrary to what happened. The Monitors headline today should have been like . Bukenya launches new malaria drug, he said. Writing wrong sensational news is what is going to bring us trouble. Newspapers should not write headlines to disturb and cause us problems. If there is nothing to write about, nothing should be written. I think it was confusing, and could result into divisions in the country. Ambassadors Sigurd Illing, Li Qiangmin and Maurizio Teucci were present. Bukenya spoke passionately about Museveni saying that he is stuck with Museveni and that he will never forsake him for whatever reason. I will support Museveni like it or not. Museveni has moulded me, he has taught me politics, he is my political mentor and I cannot leave him. Where would I go if I decided to leave Museveni? Ends _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers?
Finally, some gallant officers are asking questions. What took you so long? Speak out louder, or else you'll be finished like ensenene, one by one!! y --- Who is murdering UPDF officers? We appreciate the efforts by the army leadership to investigate and expose the mysterious thefts, murders and scandals involving the army, especially the recently released reports on Commissions of Inquiry into the murder of Father Declan O'Toole, Junk Choppers and the Potter Commission on Congo. But there are other issues that the army and the public wish to know more. For instance, in March 2001, Tito Abiriga, formerly an officer attached to Military Police hailing from Arua, was shot by 'unknown gunmen' at Natete. Investigations into this incidence have never been conclusive, yet some of us seem to see much more that the ordinary eye can see. In 2001 again, Lt. Makoko, also of Military Police, was shot and killed at his home in Busega. To date, nothing is known about his killing, yet there indeed is a lot to be exposed. In the 1990's, Lt. Shalita, attached to ISO was shot in a pub in Bukoto. This was a very well publicised incident, but not much came out of the investigations. But more importantly, Lt.Atwoki Baguma, a close friend of the three dead officers, mysteriously disappeared, and his whereabouts are not known. Is it by coincidence that close UPDF officers are shot, killed and then one of them disappears? Can the army leadership come out and explain these situations? Concerned Army Officers, UPDF. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: ugnet_: Re: [CONGOTRIBUNE] Museveni loves power more than Obote-Sabiiti -Monitor
Akalulu ka Obote yeka! y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Re: [CONGOTRIBUNE] Museveni loves power more than Obote-Sabiiti - Monitor Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 21:52:33 -0400 Yet he speaketh every day. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Mulindwa Edward To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Rwanda ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 9:49 PM Subject: [CONGOTRIBUNE] Museveni loves power more than Obote-Sabiiti - Monitor Way early in the 80's I said that by the time Uganda gets out of the Mr. Itwe Twarile Twatunga Obwogyerero crisis, Obote will have the last laugh. Here we are his name coming up again. How powerful is selling an idea, Obote's idea to Ugandans has kept on speaking for him, for as much as he has said nothing in all these years, yet he spiked every day. Em The Mulindwas Communication Group With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy Groupe de communication Mulindwas avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie - Original Message - From: Omar Kezimbira To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: ugnet_: Museveni loves power more than Obote-Sabiiti - Monitor Museveni loves power more than Obote - Sabiiti By Henry H. Ssali Posted June 1, 2003-Monitor The MP for Rukiga County, Jack Sabiiti, has accused President Yoweri Museveni of being more power hungry than former President Milton Obote is. Mr Sabiiti was speaking at a public debate at Makerere University's Nkrumah Hall on Friday. It was organised by the youth wing of Reform Agenda, a political pressure group headed by exiled former presidential candidate, Dr Kizza Besigye. Mr Sabiiti said Mr Museveni wants a third term though he does not speak about it himself. When you hear Rwomushana, Ofwono Opondo, the Movement Secretariat and NEC (National Executive Committee) asking for third term; who is doing it? It is Museveni, he said. Mr Sabiiti denied press reports that he had quit the movement. I did not state that I had quit the Movement, he said. He however regretted having supported Mr Museveni to come to power. All my years have been wasted. I apologise because what Museveni is doing is not what we fought for, he lamented. The MP was opposed to the third term. He said: I request the man I helped come into power to desist from changing the constitution. Of course there are areas where change should be done, but not on the third term, he said. The constitution limits a president to serve two five-year terms. The MP for Aswa County, Mr Reagan Okumu said the Reformists were not worried about the third term. We can always beat him if he stands as long as the ground is level, he said, adding Our Reform Agenda chairman Dr Besigye will return to Uganda as soon we have cleared a few things. The function was also used to inaugurate the Reform Agenda youth wing. © 2003 The Monitor Publications Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
Re: ugnet_: NRM IS AN OLD DOG PLAYING OLD TRICKS
NRM is an old dog that should have been put away by the SPCA long time ago!! y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: NRM IS AN OLD DOG PLAYING OLD TRICKS Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 20:10:00 -0400 Prof. Dani W. Nabudere Posted June 1- 6, 2003 The habit to monopolise power by the NRM has infected it with an incurable disease called political correctness, which informs all its actions and inactions. From this incurable disease, all are judged to be backward, correct, or primitive. President Yoweri Museveni The idea that the Movement System was the solution to Uganda's political problems of sectarianism, tribal and religious divisions has indeed been discredited. The NRM used this false political reasoning to try to entrench itself as the sole political player in the country, knowing fully well it would not work. That is why they tried to put roadblocks in the activities of political parties, which they feared would create an opposition to some of their policies on the ground that their legitimate political activities would confuse the people. The people were assumed to be ignorant and incapable of making judgement on issues that affected their lives. That is why it was assumed that by creating a broad-based, all-inclusive political structure, the correct political line of the NRM leaders would take care of their interests. Yet the same Movement went to them and asked them to vote for their candidates and president, whose manifesto was a complex, neo-liberal document. They were assumed to be backward and pre-industrial in mentality, yet they were expected to endorse a complex neo-liberal economic programme. Therefore the lie, that once the NRM was entrenched in power all problems, which the past regimes had created would go away, has proved unfounded. For one thing, the same people have begun to sing the song that the World Bank and the IMF had misled the NRM in accepting neo-liberal economic projects, while at the same time, the same people who are complaining are being invited to Washington to be honoured for embracing once more the same neo-liberal economic projects such as the AGOA! Yet these honours and rewards for co-operating with the US in the fight against terrorism is part of the global pact to enrich the rich and impoverish the poor all the time. This is what globalisation has come to mean, and which NRM embraced so that they may be able to rule indefinitely. But time has changed and all the lies are coming out for all of us to see. Now that these lies are being exposed, new lies and manipulations are being hatched to keep the people of Uganda in bondage; imprisoned in authoritarian political systems that serve these global political forces to the detriment of the interests of Ugandans. The lie is still maintained that we are too backward to understand the complexities of multiparty politics and that the only way we can get out of this wretched situation is for the NRM with its global linkages to create a middle class out of corruption, plunder and abuse. The result is there for us to see in the poverty stricken Uganda countryside and Bunia in the DRC. No thank you! The backward Ugandans have said NO to these manipulations from a Movement that cannot even respect its own leaders who are referred to as spokes in the wheels of a monopolistic system. It renders these leaders powerless. They have to continually wriggle their hands into submission, to the dictates of those who know best, in order to be accommodated once again to the high table from katebes where they are pushed into submission. The habit of monopolising power by the NRM has also infected it with an incurable disease called political correctness, which informs all its actions and inactions. From this incurable disease, all are judged to be backward, correct, or primitive. This has rendered the movement incapable of resolving and managing conflicts even within its own ranks. That is when the hens come home to roost. This disease of intolerance of other points of view, embedded in the militaristic approach to politics in this country, is what has multiplied conflicts inside Uganda and neighbouring countries. Even some donors who first praised us as the beacon of light on the African continent are beginning to see this tragedy in Congo. The disease of intolerance has also infected the way the NRM is going about, to turn itself into a political party. It is this monopolistic-militaristic attitude that cannot even allow free expression of opinions in the formation of a new organisation. The disease cannot allow freedom of association and freedom of self-determination to operate even within its own ranks. It cannot allow the idea of NRM being a
Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers?
J Ssemakula, This was a letter to the editor of The Monitor of May 30th or 31st. For the record, I dont belong to dictator Museveni's UPDF - and never will - and thus did not 'pen it [the letter]'. Why, are you ESO? y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:07:33 + Mr. Y, what is the souce of this note: did you pen it? Original Message Follows From: Y Yaobang Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:34:00 + Finally, some gallant officers are asking questions. What took you so long? Speak out louder, or else you'll be finished like ensenene, one by one!! y --- Who is murdering UPDF officers? We appreciate the efforts by the army leadership to investigate and expose the mysterious thefts, murders and scandals involving the army, especially the recently released reports on Commissions of Inquiry into the murder of Father Declan O'Toole, Junk Choppers and the Potter Commission on Congo. But there are other issues that the army and the public wish to know more. For instance, in March 2001, Tito Abiriga, formerly an officer attached to Military Police hailing from Arua, was shot by 'unknown gunmen' at Natete. Investigations into this incidence have never been conclusive, yet some of us seem to see much more that the ordinary eye can see. In 2001 again, Lt. Makoko, also of Military Police, was shot and killed at his home in Busega. To date, nothing is known about his killing, yet there indeed is a lot to be exposed. In the 1990's, Lt. Shalita, attached to ISO was shot in a pub in Bukoto. This was a very well publicised incident, but not much came out of the investigations. But more importantly, Lt.Atwoki Baguma, a close friend of the three dead officers, mysteriously disappeared, and his whereabouts are not known. Is it by coincidence that close UPDF officers are shot, killed and then one of them disappears? Can the army leadership come out and explain these situations? Concerned Army Officers, UPDF. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- Mr. Y, what is the souce of this note: did you pen it? Original Message Follows From: "Y Yaobang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:34:00 + Finally, some gallant officers are asking questions. What took you so long? Speak out louder, or else you'll be finished like ensenene, one by one!! y --- Who is murdering UPDF officers? We appreciate the efforts by the army leadership to investigate and expose the mysterious thefts, murders and scandals involving the army, especially the recently released reports on Commissions of Inquiry into the murder of Father Declan O'Toole, Junk Choppers and the Potter Commission on Congo. But there are other issues that the army and the public wish to know more. For instance, in March 2001, Tito Abiriga, formerly an officer attached to Military Police hailing from Arua, was shot by 'unknown gunmen' at Natete. Investigations into this incidence have never been conclusive, yet some of us seem to see much more that the ordinary eye can see. In 2001 again, Lt. Makoko, also of Military Police, was shot and killed at his home in Busega. To date, nothing is known about his killing, yet there indeed is a lot to be exposed. In the 1990's, Lt. Shalita, attached to ISO was shot in a pub in Bukoto. This was a very well publicised incident, but not much came out of the investigations. But more importantly, Lt.Atwoki Baguma, a close friend of the three dead officers, mysteriously disappeared, and his whereabouts are not known. Is it by coincidence that close UPDF officers are shot, killed and then one of them disappears? Can the army leadership come out and explain these situations? Concerned Army Officers, UPDF. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers?
J Ssemakula, I'll definitely do that next time. y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:10:05 + _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- It is good netiquette to quote one's sources, especially if they happen to be public. ESO? Use your imagination, if possible. Original Message Follows From: "Y Yaobang" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 02:51:06 + J Ssemakula, This was a letter to the editor of The Monitor of May 30th or 31st. For the record, I dont belong to dictator Museveni's UPDF - and never will - and thus did not 'pen it [the letter]'. Why, are you ESO? y From: "J Ssemakula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:07:33 + Mr. Y, what is the souce of this note: did you pen it? Original Message Follows From: "Y Yaobang" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:34:00 + Finally, some gallant officers are asking questions. What took you so long? Speak out louder, or else you'll be finished like ensenene, one by one!! y --- Who is murdering UPDF officers? We appreciate the efforts by the army leadership to investigate and expose the mysterious thefts, murders and scandals involving the army, especially the recently released reports on Commissions of Inquiry into the murder of Father Declan O'Toole, Junk Choppers and the Potter Commission on Congo. But there are other issues that the army and the public wish to know more. For instance, in March 2001, Tito Abiriga, formerly an officer attached to Military Police hailing from Arua, was shot by 'unknown gunmen' at Natete. Investigations into this incidence have never been conclusive, yet some of us seem to see much more that the ordinary eye can see. In 2001 again, Lt. Makoko, also of Military Police, was shot and killed at his home in Busega. To date, nothing is known about his killing, yet there indeed is a lot to be exposed. In the 1990's, Lt. Shalita, attached to ISO was shot in a pub in Bukoto. This was a very well publicised incident, but not much came out of the investigations. But more importantly, Lt.Atwoki Baguma, a close friend of the three dead officers, mysteriously disappeared, and his whereabouts are not known. Is it by coincidence that close UPDF officers are shot, killed and then one of them disappears? Can the army leadership come out and explain these situations? Concerned Army Officers, UPDF. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail message3.txt Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers?
Jonah, I have already indicated to Ssemakula that indeed I should have referenced the article. In your previous case, the dates of references posted were embedded in the postings, but you never bothered to look carefully. Thank you for nothing! y From: jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 16:44:05 + y, this is the sort of problem I was pointing out to you (in order to avoid confusion) when you were making funny remarks about my request to a netter to give details about an article. It seems you haven't learned a thing. Kasangwawo From: Y Yaobang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 02:51:06 + J Ssemakula, This was a letter to the editor of The Monitor of May 30th or 31st. For the record, I dont belong to dictator Museveni's UPDF - and never will - and thus did not 'pen it [the letter]'. Why, are you ESO? y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2003 20:07:33 + Mr. Y, what is the souce of this note: did you pen it? Original Message Follows From: Y Yaobang Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Who is murdering UPDF officers? Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 17:34:00 + Finally, some gallant officers are asking questions. What took you so long? Speak out louder, or else you'll be finished like ensenene, one by one!! y --- Who is murdering UPDF officers? We appreciate the efforts by the army leadership to investigate and expose the mysterious thefts, murders and scandals involving the army, especially the recently released reports on Commissions of Inquiry into the murder of Father Declan O'Toole, Junk Choppers and the Potter Commission on Congo. But there are other issues that the army and the public wish to know more. For instance, in March 2001, Tito Abiriga, formerly an officer attached to Military Police hailing from Arua, was shot by 'unknown gunmen' at Natete. Investigations into this incidence have never been conclusive, yet some of us seem to see much more that the ordinary eye can see. In 2001 again, Lt. Makoko, also of Military Police, was shot and killed at his home in Busega. To date, nothing is known about his killing, yet there indeed is a lot to be exposed. In the 1990's, Lt. Shalita, attached to ISO was shot in a pub in Bukoto. This was a very well publicised incident, but not much came out of the investigations. But more importantly, Lt.Atwoki Baguma, a close friend of the three dead officers, mysteriously disappeared, and his whereabouts are not known. Is it by coincidence that close UPDF officers are shot, killed and then one of them disappears? Can the army leadership come out and explain these situations? Concerned Army Officers, UPDF. _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail message3.txt _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: Fwd: Andrew Mwenda's opinion
Andrew Mwenda stated: ... President Museveni and the Movement have done a lot for Uganda; reconstructing an almost collapsed state, rebuilding a shattered economy, restoring political sanity and recasting Uganda's international image from a pariah state to a nation with a proud people. ... What a pile of bull shit! Is Mwenda planning to be the next press sec after Ms Karoro? y From: gook makanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: Andrew Mwenda's opinion Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 20:01:33 + message3.txt _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X Original Message Follows MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.
Re: ugnet_: Fwd: Darlington Sakwa on Bidandi Ssali
Who really is Darlington Sakwa? y From: gook makanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Fwd: Darlington Sakwa on Bidandi Ssali Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2003 19:46:08 + message3.txt _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*
Re: ugnet_: MUSEVENI IN THE WHITE HOUSE (click on photos to enlarge)
Mulindwa, So, where are the pics of the ceremony to award/crown dictator Museveni by Bush? Nothing! y From: Mulindwa Edward [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: MUSEVENI IN THE WHITE HOUSE (click on photos to enlarge) Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 18:38:52 -0400 U.S. President George W. Bush smiles toward first lady Laura Bush and Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni (L) during a performance by the Watoto Children's Choir of Uganda in the Rose Garden of the White House, June 10, 2003. The performance followed an Oval Office meeting between Bush and Museveni. The choir, consisting of children orphaned by HIV /AIDS or conflict, is touring the U.S., Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom to raise money for housing for other orphans in Uganda. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque Reuters - Jun 10 5:55 PM -- U.S. first lady Laura Bush walks into the White House with children of the Watoto Children's Chior of Uganda, after they performed in the Rose Garden, June 10, 2003. Their performance followed an Oval Office meeting between President George W. Bush and Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni. The choir, consisting of children orphaned by HIV /AIDS or conflict, is touring the U.S., Canada, Australia and the United Kingdom to raise money for housing for other orphans in Uganda. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque Reuters - Jun 10 5:48 PM -- President Bush , right, and first lady Laura Bush, left, help seat the President of Uganda Yoweri Kaguta Museveni, center, before the start of the performance of the Watoto Children's Choir of Uganda in the Rose Garden of the White House Tuesday June 10, 2003 in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) AP - Jun 10 5:41 PM -- President Bush , right, listens to the President of Uganda Yoweri Kaguta Museveni, left, before the start of their meeting in the Oval Office of the White House Tuesday June 10, 2003 in Washington. Bush is letting Israel know he's not happy with today's Israeli attack in Gaza. Bush says he worries it will bring more violence. But, he says he's 'determined to keep the process on the road to peace.' Israel's attempt to kill a Hamas leader today has sparked fury among Palestinians. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) AP - Jun 10 5:41 PM -- A member of the Watoto Children's Choir of Uganda reaches out to touch the flowers as he walk down the West Wing Colonnade accompanied by first lady Laura Bush after their performance in the Rose Garden of the White House Tuesday June 10, 2003 in Washington. The choir consist boys and girls ages 6-12 who have been orphaned by HIV /AIDS or conflict. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) AP - Jun 10 5:41 PM -- First lady Laura Bush looks out into the Rose Garden of the White House as she waits for her husband's arrival before the start of the performance by the Watoto Children's Choir of Uganda Tuesday June 10, 2003 in Washington. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) AP - Jun 10 5:42 PM -- U.S. President George W. Bush shakes hands with Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni in the Oval Office of the White House, June 10, 2003. After the meeting, the two leaders enjoyed a performance by the Uganda Children's Choir in the Rose Garden. REUTERS/Kevin Lamarque Reuters - Jun 10 5:28 PM -- President Bush shakes hands as he greets the members of the Watoto Children's Choir of Uganda after their performance in the Rose Garden of the White House Tuesday June 10, 2003 in Washington. The choir consist boys and girls ages 6-12 who have been orphaned by HIV /AIDS or conflict. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) AP - Jun 10 5:15 PM -- President Bush address members of the media before the start of his meeting with the President of Uganda Yoweri Kaguta Museveni in the Oval Office of the White House Tuesday June 10, 2003 in Washington. Bush is letting Israel know he's not happy with today's Israeli attack in Gaza. Bush says he worries it will bring more violence. But, he says he's 'determined to keep the process on the road to peace.' Israel's attempt to kill a Hamas leader today has sparked fury among Palestinians. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais) AP - Jun 10 5:16 PM -- U.S.
ugnet_: Third-term stamp
This stamp is supposed to be ... a dedication to all the children of Uganda BULL SHIT. There are better ways to select a Ugandan child than this nonsensical approach. y -- Posta launches Princess Katrina stamps By Patrick Onyango June 17, 2003 Posta Uganda yesterday launched three new stamps honouring Princess Katrina-Sarah Ssangalyambogo of Buganda. The stamp is a dedication to all the children of Uganda, company officials said. The princess was chosen to promote the cause, in recognition of her mother Nnabagereka Slyvia Naggindas work. The Nnabagereka is the patron of the Christian Childrens Fund. The stamp is in three denominations. The stamp for Shs 400 features Princess Katrina in front of the Bulange (Buganda parliament). The stamp for Shs 1,200 features her in front of the Twekobe, the palace of the Kabaka at Mengo. The Shs 1,400 stamp features the princess in front of a man playing a royal drum that always accompanies the Kabaka of Buganda during his official tours. Launching the stamps at the General Post Office in Kampala yesterday, the Nnabagereka said that she is delighted that Posta Uganda decided to issue the stamps not only to honour Princess Katrina but all Ugandas children, who have for long been denied a voice. She said that the new stamps are culturally important to Buganda and they would help to display its vast heritage. Posta Uganda launched the stamp in part to commemorate Princess Katrinas second birthday. She was born on 4 July 2001. The chairman of the board of directors of Posta Uganda, Mr Patrick Kabonero, said that management has invested heavily in recruiting new staff and training in leadership skills, sales, and marketing. The acting managing director, Ms Sarah Kiyingi Kaweesa, said that Posta Uganda is associating with the Nnabagereka because of her inspirational role in uplifting the life of the children. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
ugnet_: Rebel group breaks out in Teso?
from radio simba: Rebel group breaks out in Teso A new Rebel group is feared to have emerged in parts of Teso sub region .The group identified by sources as the Union For Democracy is suspected to have ganged up with Joseph Konys LRA . The group whose Leaders have not yet gone public have submitted a hand written letter to Government through the state Minister for Disaster Preparedness Christine Aporu. When called for verification Thursday afternoon the Ministers phone was off. However Kumi county MP Amuriat Oboi Patrick says there is growing fear in Teso. Army spokesman Shaban Bantariza says the UPDF is not scared, because it has the capacity to deal with any submissive group. He noted that any body who forms a rebel group at a time when political space is being opened up is mad, because he should instead form a political party in order to compete for political power. Bantariza said, what is the rebel group going to do and how long will it last more than the UPA we put out of action? They can gang up with Kony or the even with the Devil, but we shall be in charge of Uganda until Jesus comes back. = _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
ugnet_: Re: ugnet:Rebel group breaks out in Teso?
Netters: The statement below about Jesus is scary. Batarinza was quoted as saying: They can gang up with Kony or the even with the Devil, but we shall be in charge of Uganda until Jesus comes back. Jesus might not be coming back for quite a while! But I suspect this is yet another trick by dictator Museveni and his military sychophants to round up more Itesos and label them as rebels and terrorists. Disgusting! y += (from radio simba) Rebel group breaks out in Teso A new Rebel group is feared to have emerged in parts of Teso sub region .The group identified by sources as the Union For Democracy is suspected to have ganged up with Joseph Kony's LRA . The group whose Leaders have not yet gone public have submitted a hand written letter to Government through the state Minister for Disaster Preparedness Christine Aporu. When called for verification Thursday afternoon the Minister's phone was off. However Kumi county MP Amuriat Oboi Patrick says there is growing fear in Teso. Army spokesman Shaban Bantariza says the UPDF is not scared, because it has the capacity to deal with any submissive group. He noted that any body who forms a rebel group at a time when political space is being opened up is mad, because he should instead form a political party in order to compete for political power. Bantariza said, what is the rebel group going to do and how long will it last more than the UPA we put out of action? They can gang up with Kony or the even with the Devil, but we shall be in charge of Uganda until Jesus comes back.' == _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: ugnet_: Police close Soroti radio over rebels
Gook, Kill the messenger. Typical of dictator Museveni and his sychophants. y From: gook makanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Police close Soroti radio over rebels Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 22:06:03 + _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ---BeginMessage--- Police close Soroti radio over rebels By Monitor teamJune 23, 2003 Police yesterday closed a Soroti-based radio station that defied a ministers directive not to broadcast news about LRA rebel attacks in the area. Radio Kyoga Veritas FM had gone off air by 3 p.m. after it was stormed by police officers and Soroti Resident District Commissioner, Mr Edward Masiga. Armed policemen and security operatives in plain clothes accompanied the Soroti District Police Commander (DPC) Patrick Awai and Regional CID officer Vincent Aisu to the station. The station is located within the premises of Soroti Catholic Diocese Integrated Development Organisation (SCDIO), about half a kilometre on the Soroti-Serere road. For several hours, no one was allowed to enter or leave the SCDIO premises. All the people, including Soroti Catholic Bishop Erasmus Wandera were only allowed to leave at 6 p.m. Mr Awai said on phone that the security operatives were carrying out a security search. The search is to continue this morning, the police said. Upon coming out of the station yesterday Fr Athanasius Mubiru, a Catholic priest linked to the station, said that the security people took away 25 videotapes bearing testimonies of people affected by the war and the stations news scripts dating back to 1 January. Fr Mubiru said that he had in the morning met the Army Commander, Maj. Gen.Aronda Nyakairima and other security officials. It was during the morning meeting that he was informed that the station would be "inspected". Lies or the truth? Bishop Wandera yesterday held a meeting with the Minister of State for Defence, Ruth Nankabirwa, in Soroti but no details were available. The Monitor could not readily establish the official reason for closing the station, but sources in Soroti said that the office of the RDC had recently wanted to "edit" the radio stations war reports before they are aired. This request was reportedly not fully complied with. It is said that Fr Mubiru has been recording voices of civilians affected by the war and then having them aired. The station, sources said, was perceived by the authorities as "alarming" the population. Fr Mubiru denied this yesterday. The whole gist of this inspection is that they have been saying that we have been putting on air sensational news, Fr Mubiru said. But we have not. What the people of Teso need is the truth, it is only the truth which will solve this war situation. Lies will not. Veritas FM has been reaching about 14 districts, including those affected by the rebel insurgency. At a security meeting in Soroti last Tuesday, the Minister of State for Refugees and Disaster Preparedness Christine Amongin "banned" Soroti radio stations from airing news about attacks by the LRA rebels. Fr Mubiru told the minister that what people needed were not condoms and food, but security that is supposed to be guaranteed by the UPDF. This is not the first time that the media is punished for reporting the Kony-led insurgency. The UPDF, police and military intelligence personnel on 10 October 2002 ransacked The Monitor offices and shut down the paper for seven days over its coverage of the war up north. Civilians flee The Monitor yesterday morning interviewed terrified civilians who continued fleeing from their villages into Soroti town. From Soroti to Akakai, a six-kilometre column of people with bits and pieces of luggage and livestock was seen walking towards Soroti town. One of the younger boys interviewed reported that a group of rebels taunted a UPDF unit at Akissim, near the home of Soroti County MP, Samuel Anyoro. He that said the army later shelled the rebel positions. Funeral raid The LRA had on Friday disrupted the funeral of the late Kapelebyong intelligence officer Mr Moses Amou at Oditel village in Katakwi. Kapelebyong MP, Johnson Malinga who visited the area on Saturday told The Monitor yesterday that among those abducted were the deceased's relatives who include his brother, Mr Michael Amou and his wife Ms Achen. Also abducted but later released was the deceaseds elderly mother. Malinga said that the rebels also reportedly abducted some children aged between 10 and 14, which is their favourite age group for recruitment. The LRA shot Amou dead on 18 June as he was driving with Fr Boguslow Zero, the parish priest for Acumet. The LRA on Saturday night attacked Odudui trading centre killing two people, burning 35 houses and looting drugs from the health centre. UPDF response The rebels are reportedly camped in Amuria County, from
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Re: ugnet_: Closing Soroti radio is wrong
Gook, This is typical of the Museveni dictatorship: treating Ugandans like mushrooms -- keep them in the dark and feed them shit. y From: gook makanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Closing Soroti radio is wrong Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:32:14 + _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- Closing Soroti radio is wrongEditorialJune 24, 2003 The closure of a private FM radio station that defied a ministers directive not to broadcast news about rebel Lords Resistance Army attacks in eastern Uganda is most unfortunate. The Police raid on Radio Kyoga Veritas FM in Soroti was in itself unwarranted, because there are legal instruments for the supervision and control of the press in Uganda without recourse to extremism. However, it is the thinking behind the news blackout that is even more worrying.Ugandans, especially those living in affected areas, have a right to information that affects their lives. It is therefore wrong to keep them in the dark about rebel attacks in their communities. The government may have some legitimate concerns about the rebels using the media, especially radio, to sow seeds of terror. But a people with information are better enabled to make logical decisions, such as whether to leave a rebel-infested area. On the other hand, keeping people in the dark about life-threatening events is bound to provide fertile ground for imagination, hysteria and misinformation. The right thing to do is to urge self-regulation by the media; after all, there is the Anti-Terrorism Act that would punish them if they did otherwise. News, on the other hand, should not be subjected to such undue restrictions. If the rebels attack an area, the people have a right to know, and the media have a responsibility to inform them. In the event that the news being broadcast on the radio station is not accurate, the Media Council should have the responsibility of sanctioning the errant media house, rather than have security operatives raiding it. Rather than wrap a news blackout over the war, government should provide accurate and regular information to Ugandans through the media. In the recent war on Iraq, the United States government embedded journalists with their troops as they went into battle. While critics questioned the accuracy and objectivity of the reports from the embedded journalists, the people were informed about the war all the way. Ugandans in the north and east have suffered a lot under the LRA. Keeping them in the dark about the next rebel attack is to punish them twice. © 2003 The Monitor Publications Gook "You can't separate peace from freedom because no one can be at peace unless he has his freedom."- Malcom X Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: Latest update: Profiles of the African nations Bush will visit
The author of this article states that Uganda is a semi-democracy. How ridiculuous! It is like saying one is semi-pregnant. Who doesnt know that under Museveni, Uganda is a dictatorship?? I wish the UPC rally against Bush a success. y From: Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Latest update: Profiles of the African nations Bush will visit Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 04:21:33 -0700 (PDT) REPORT: Profiles of the African nations Bush will visit next week -New Vision Web, 2nd July 2003 BY KEZIO D. MUSOKE NEXT week, President Bush voyages to Africa, vowing to raise the profile of a vast continent that has stood small on America's radar screen since the end of the Cold War. Beginning July 7, Bush's five-nation trip will spotlight the administration's new $15 billion commitment to battle the AIDS scourge that has left Africa the most infected region on Earth, according to a June 26 speech Bush made to African business leaders. Bush also will emphasize the emerging importance of Africa in the U.S. war on terrorism and push for the end of bloodshed in Congo and Liberia. He will dole out both praise and aid to those nations that are cultivating free-market economies and democratic political systems. We will work as partners in advancing the security and the health and the prosperity of the African peoples, said Bush, who has been to Africa just once before, when he represented his father at a 1992 independence celebration in the Gambia. Here's a snapshot of the five countries Bush will visit: Senegal ONE reason this French-speaking West African land of 10 million is a star on the generally unstable continent is because of its peaceful transition to democracy in 2000 after 40 years of socialist rule. Since President Abdoulaye Wade's election that year, the country's peanut- and cotton-based economy has grown by 5 percent a year and media freedom has blossomed. Even so, one in four Senegalese live on less than $1 a day, and a 30-year, low-intensity guerrilla war for independence continues in Senegal's southern province of Casamance. Considered a global role model in the anti-AIDS battle in developing countries, Senegal has managed to keep the disease at bay by an aggressive education and prevention program begun in the mid-1980s. In Africa, only Uganda is credited with comparable success. Overwhelmingly Muslim, Senegal gained favor with the White House for convening an African forum on terrorism shortly after the 9/11 attacks. But, during the run-up to the war in Iraq, Wade criticized America for acting without United Nations support. Still, the Pentagon is considering putting a skeleton base in Senegal as part of the U.S. military's worldwide reorganization. Following the footprints of then-President Bill Clinton who traveled there in 1998, Bush is slated to visit Goree Island, the site of a notorious former slave port that saw an estimated 2 million slaves pass through, many on their way to the American colonies. The White House says Bush will offer no apology for the U.S. history of slavery; Clinton didn't either during his visit. Uganda WINSTON Churchill once dubbed this East African country the pearl of Africa. That was before dictator Idi Amin took power in the 1970s, triggering more than a decade of brutal state-sponsored violence that took the lives of as many as 500,000 people. In one of Africa's biggest turnarounds, Uganda now is a relatively stable, semi-democracy, though its president, former guerrilla fighter Yoweri Museveni, is cracking down on political dissent. He has warned he will deal severely with members of the Ugandan People's Congress if, as they have vowed, they stage a demonstration against Bush's visit. A tropical, English-speaking country of 23 million people who are a mix of Christians and Muslims, Uganda is also home to half the world's remaining mountain gorillas. Coffee and vanilla are top exports, as well as clothing. In April alone, Ugandan factories sent more than 88,000 shirts, dresses and pants to America for sale. Bush has praised Uganda for managing the most dramatic decline in the rate of HIV infection of any country in the world - from 31 percent of its population in 1990 to about 15 percent now. Uganda also is a White House favorite for joining the global coalition of the willing assembled for the war in Iraq. But the U.N. has slapped Uganda for arming fighters who are committing slaughter in Congo and pillaging the country. For 18 years, Uganda has been fighting an internal rebel war - one of the longest ongoing civil conflicts in the world - against the rebel Lord's Resistance Army in northern Uganda, which has abducted and enslaved an estimated 20,000 children. Botswana Defying the foreign stereotype of the continent as one big banana republic, Botswana is fast becoming Africa's biggest success story. Land-locked and dominated by the Kalahari Desert, the
Re: ugnet_: Bush says Taylor must go, won't take no for answer
I hope Presidnet George Bush can say and do the same to despot Yoweri Museveni of Uganda when he visits Uganda next week!! Otherwise, why the American double standards! Museveni must go! y From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Bush says Taylor must go, won't take no for answer Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 20:30:10 EDT Bush says Taylor must go, won't take no for answer WASHINGTON, July 5 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush said Liberian President Charles Taylor must step down and that the United States was not going to take 'no' for an answer, according to remarks released by the White House on Saturday. The American president, who visits Africa next week, has urged Taylor to leave Liberia immediately, but Taylor says he wants to see international troops on the streets first in case his soldiers and rebels run amok. Asked in an interview with Voice of America what he would do if Taylor refused to comply with U.S. demands, Bush said: You know, I suspect he will, and so, therefore, I'm an optimistic person. I'm not going to take 'no' for an answer. I have made up my mind there needs to be stability in Liberia, and one of the conditions for a peaceful and stable Liberia is for Mr. Charles Taylor to leave the country, Bush said in the interview, which took place on July 3 and was released by the White House on Saturday. 07/05/03 13:19 ET _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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What is the source of this article? y From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: (no subject) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 18:24:11 EDT President Bush's Africa Trip merican presidents do not travel to Africa often. President Bush's five-day, five-nation visit, starting today, marks a significant step in America's deepening relations with the continent. For too long, Washington and other Western capitals treated Africa as if it were condemned to war, poverty and preventable epidemics. Mr. Bush understands that Africans are entitled to a better future, and that America can help them achieve it. Turning that vision into reality will take more than whirlwind tours and inspiring speeches. Mr. Bush must press Congress to provide ample financing for his multiyear AIDS and development initiatives. He should also speak plainly with African leaders about steps they themselves need to take. More than 11 percent of the world's people live in sub-Saharan Africa. Their future depends on how well their countries handle the intertwined problems of H.I.V.-AIDS, ethnic and civil conflict, corrupt and abusive government and economic growth too feeble to provide jobs for rising populations. In each of the countries Mr. Bush is visiting — Senegal, South Africa, Botswana, Uganda and Nigeria — one or more of these issues belongs high on the agenda. Senegal is a strong democracy, though plagued by a low-grade separatist insurgency in the Casamance region. Despite this, Senegal has set a healthy example in a deeply troubled neighborhood and has participated in efforts to negotiate peace in Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast and Liberia. South Africa has one of the continent's most developed economies and biggest H.I.V.-AIDS problems. President Thabo Mbeki is sub-Saharan Africa's most prestigious leader. But his failure to confront the AIDS pandemic has caused public health damage at home and hurt efforts elsewhere to overcome the stigmatization that undermines effective prevention and treatment. If Mr. Bush can persuade Mr. Mbeki to follow a more enlightened course, America's AIDS assistance programs will save more lives. Mr. Mbeki has also failed to do all he should to help resolve the crisis in neighboring Zimbabwe, where President Robert Mugabe has clung to power through repression and fraud. Botswana is blessed with mineral wealth, a relatively small population, vigorous democracy and enlightened environmental policies. But it is cursed with Africa's highest H.I.V. infection rate, with two of five adults affected. In contrast to Mr. Mbeki, President Festus Mogae has worked hard to contain the disease. Even more energetic steps could be taken, modeled on the anti-AIDS campaign led by Uganda's president, Yoweri Museveni. By mentioning AIDS in almost every speech and carrying the campaign into every village, Mr. Museveni has gone far to destigmatize the disease. That has helped reduce the infection rate by two-thirds, a remarkable life-saving achievement. Mr. Museveni's leadership would be far more impressive if he permitted opposition parties and free elections, a point Mr. Bush should insist on. The Bush visit concludes in Africa's most populous country, Nigeria. President Olusegun Obasanjo has been a consistent opponent of military dictatorship, but his first term as an elected civilian ruler was extremely disappointing. He has failed to crack down on corruption and army human rights abuses, neglected the economy and done little to heal dangerous religious and ethnic divisions. Now Mr. Obasanjo has become actively involved in efforts to bring peace and a transitional administration to Liberia. Yesterday the Liberian leader, Charles Taylor, said he would accept Nigeria's offer of safe haven. Mr. Bush needs to tell Mr. Obasanjo that he would be a more credible advocate of good governance abroad if he did more to practice it at home. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: ugnet_: Uganda Army in 'Severe Human Rights Abuses' in the North-BBC
... If we are so stupid as not to see ourselves as brothers and sisters, we should at least remember that imperialism [ALSO MUSEVENI AND HIS SYCHOPHANTS] sees all of us as just inconvenient 'biological substances'... y From: Mitayo Potosi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Uganda Army in 'Severe Human Rights Abuses' in the North-BBC Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:17:17 + The International Court of Justice has just opened a docket on the 'crimes against humanity' in the Ituri Province of the DRC. Let us watch them and see whether it is just a white wash or something genuine. And of course Brother Ocan Otim was right when he pointed out that there are forces out there who want to wipe the Acholis off the face of the earth and take the land, to be passed on to settler colonists from Rhodesia. Except that he made it seem like the so-called Southerners are to be spared. The early 1960's Population explosion control report, 200NSS, of Henry Kissinger etc... to get rid of 'excess population', from the present 6 billion people to only 500 million envisages far more people than Acholis. Even some 'useless excess' Americans are in its cross hairs. Smug so-called Southerners should remember the old saying: I did not protest when they came for the Jews because I am not a Jew; I did not protest when they came for the communists because I am not a communist ; I did not protest when they came for the . because I am not a ... ; And when they came for me, there was nobody left to protest.. If we are so stupid as not to see ourselves as brothers and sisters, we should at least remember that imperialism sees all of us as just inconvenient 'biological substances'. Mitayo Potosi From: Chris Opoka-Okumu [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Uganda Army in 'Severe Human Rights Abuses' in the North-BBC Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:14:56 -0400 Omar, Thanks for posting this report. As you can see there is deliberate policy to use AIDS as an instrument to obliterate the Northern population, and Bush comes woith all the praises for the devil. Chris Opoka-Okumu - Original Message - From: Omar Kezimbira To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: ugnet_: Uganda Army in 'Severe Human Rights Abuses' in the North-BBC Last Updated: Wednesday, 16 July, 2003, 14:01 GMT 15:01 UK E-mail this to a friend Printable version Uganda army in 'severe rights abuses' By Will Ross BBC, Kampala, Uganda The Ugandan president has admitted the army is not made up of angels The Ugandan army has been accused of carrying out severe human rights abuses on the civilian population in the north of the country. A report by a group of human rights organisations says the atrocities of the rebels of the Lords Resistance Army (LRA) on the civilian population are well documented. But it says the Uganda People's Defence Force (UPDF) and officials of other government-related military security agencies have committed multiple abuses including summary execution, torture, rape and child recruitment. The report - entitled Abducted and Abused: Renewed Conflict in Northern Uganda - paints a grim picture of the lives of civilians in northern Uganda. There are two young girls who were returning from the garden and they found soldiers who intercepted and raped them. Both were tested for HIV and the result was positive Samuel Tindifa Makerere University There are two young girls, one 12 years old and the other 17, who were returning from the garden and they found soldiers who intercepted and raped them, says Samuel Tindifa, the director of the human rights and peace centre at Makerere University, which contributed to the report. Both girls were tested for HIV and the result was positive. The report concludes that the presence of Ugandan soldiers has increased the HIV-Aids infection rate in the north of the country. Data proves that while in general Uganda has taken great strides in tackling the Aids pandemic, with government claiming the HIV infection rate is around 6%, in northern Uganda the rates are higher. When I visited Kitgum District hospital recently I learnt that 9% of pregnant mothers are HIV-positive, while 29% of people who voluntarily get tested are HIV-positive. 'Torture rampant' The report also alleges that, often against their will, former LRA child soldiers are recruited into the Ugandan army. It cites an example of one boy who was badly tortured under interrogation by the Ugandan army about his LRA activities. The report says when asked if he wanted to join the army he was threatened: If
ugnet_: M7 prescribes military solution for Burundi!
Listen to the mad utterances of Museveni, a war monger. This man has failed defeat his own opponents at home and in DRC, but is now prescribing a military solution for Burundi, i.e., the military defeat of the National Liberation Forces-Party for Liberation of Hutu People. Is Museveni probably aware that FNL's success in Burundi could welll mean the end of Tutsi military-cum-political dominance in Uganda and Rwanda? Is that why he wants them crushed? y --- Burundi 'needs military solution' Rebel attacks hinder humanitarian assistance The Ugandan President, Yoweri Museveni, has suggested that a military solution is needed to end Burundi's decade of fighting. Mr Museveni was speaking in Kampala on Tuesday after a meeting with South Africa's deputy president Jacob Zuma, the main mediator in the Burundi conflict. Mr Zuma said the option of sending a regional force to Burundi would be discussed at a weekend summit in Tanzania, and that the region was ready to do everything to implement peace in Burundi. We deplore the abduction of our colleagues and any form of harassment directed towards our staff members Statement from aid agencies in Burundi Mr Museveni described the acceleration of hostilities by Hutu rebels in Burundi as unacceptable. It's not a good precedence that the whole region could spend almost seven years on an issue - and just a handful of people come and torpedo it. It's not a good idea at all, he said. Mr Zuma's diplomatic mission follows renewed attacks on the capital, Bujumbura, by rebels of the National Liberation Forces-Party for Liberation of Hutu People (FNL), who have been battling the Tutsi-dominated government troops for more than a week. Meanwhile, the United Nations has removed the non-essential international staff from its 100-strong mission in Bujumbura due to continuing fighting in the capital. The deputy spokeswoman for the UN Secretary General, Hua Jiang, told BBC News Online that the organisation would maintain its humanitarian emergency operations. In pictures: Burundi's besieged capital We will assess the security situation and take further appropriate action, she said. Fighting was reported on Tuesday night between government forces and rebels in a predominantly Hutu district of Bujumbura. Insecurity This is the third time in a week that foreign organisations have decided to withdraw their staff from Bujumbura. On Sunday, the US state department ordered the departure of non-essential staff from the American embassy in Burundi, and advised American nationals to leave the country. On Tuesday, seven international charity organisations in Burundi condemned the abduction of three humanitarian workers in two separate incidents in the southern Makamba Province. The Burundi army and rebel forces are blamed for human rights violations Following the abductions on July 9th and 10th, the three charities (the German Technical Co-operation, the Norwegian Refugee Council and the International Rescue Committee), that employed the workers have suspended their operations in Makamba. In a statement, non-governmental organisations including the Agro Action Allemande and World Vision sought the support of the government and people of Burundi in ensuring the safety of their workers to enable them continue to carry out their humanitarian missions. 'Harassment' As a collective body of organisation dedicated to providing humanitarian relief to vulnerable populations, we deplore the abduction of our colleagues and any form of harassment directed towards our staff members, they said in the statement. At the same time, international human rights organisation Amnesty International condemned on Tuesday what it said were serious human rights abuses committed by government and rebels troops during the past week's fighting in the southern suburbs of Bujumbura. Amnesty said that unless immediate preventive action was taken, indiscriminate reprisals by government forces against Hutus suspected of supporting or colluding with the rebels was likely. A 3,000-strong force of African Union (AU) peacekeepers is in Burundi as part of AU efforts to end the conflict, which has killed an estimated 300,000 people _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: FM Idi Amin in coma
Statement from saint Museveni: ... She said Museveni told her that Amin had abused Ugandans' human rights and so had to answer for his sins the moment he is brought back. Museveni will have to answer for the monstrous atrocities he and his sychophants have committed! y From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: FM Idi Amin in coma Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 15:07:23 -0400 Former president IDi Amin Dada in coma By David Kibirige July 20, 2003 'Museveni refuses him to return, promises to arrest him' Former Ugandan President Field Marshal Idi Amin Dada is sick and in coma. Amin, 80 has been sick for the last three months and is admitted at an undisclosed hospital in Saudi Arabia, where he has been in exile since 1979. Sunday Monitor has learnt that for the last three months Amin had been admitted at a Saudi Arabia hospital suffering from hypertension and general fatigue. About three weeks back he was discharged, depicting improvement. However, on Friday night, his condition deteriorated and he went into coma. His two sons, Amin Mwanga and Hussein Kato are attending to him. Highly placed sources in State House told Sunday Monitor that Amin's family approached President Yoweri Museveni and requested him to allow them bring back the ageing general so that he could die here. The general's favourite wife Nalongo Madina Amin confirmed that her husband is sick and in coma. I have talked to the children, attending to him, and they have confirmed that he is in coma. He deteriorated last night. At first they thought he would improve but the situation is not improving at all, she said sobbing. She said sometime back that she had met President Museveni and requested him to allow her husband to be brought back. She said Museveni told her that Amin had abused Ugandans' human rights and so had to answer for his sins the moment he is brought back. Surely he should be allowed back home so that if he is to die he dies here, she said crying. Madina said Museveni had promised her to address the matter, but lamented that the President's aides are frustrating her. The Minister in charge of the presidency Kirunda Kivejinja feigned ignorance when contacted. Let me find out and then I will brief you, he said. Museveni's Press Secretary Mary Karooro Okurut said she was going to consult and then brief Sunday Monitor. But as usual, by press time, she had not called back this reporter as promised. Amin overthrew Dr Apollo Milton Obote's government on January 25, 1971 and the country up to April 11, 1979 when a combined force of Ugandan exiles and the Tanzanian army toppled him. He first flew into exile to Libya, then to Iraq from where he relocated to Saudi Arabia in December 1980. In Saudi Arabia the royal family refused him to get involved in politics, let alone speak to the press. © 2003 The Monitor Publications -- He it is Who created for you all that is on earth...He is the All-knower of everything. Swaddaq Allahu Al-Adhim. Michael Bwambuga. __ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. Get your free trial today! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/computing/mcafee/index.jsp?promo=393397 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 free of charge. Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
Re: ugnet_: Malcom X, Martin King films /videos
Go on the Internet, stupid. y From: dbbwanika db [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Malcom X, Martin King films /videos Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:18:24 +0200 JUSTICE PARTY http://www.dfwa-u.tk I am appealing to you or anyone to help me get hold of videos or films about the following figures in their social struggles; Martin Luther King Malcom X Fidel Castro Nation of Islam Cabrol South African struggles Mandela European and missionary films of all types filmed between 1700 -1900 in Africa _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
Re: ugnet_: Re: Kanyeihamba on the Phantom Arms ofthe1960s, Ibingira andtheConspiracies
J Ssemakula: Why dont you just buy (or borrow from your nearest library) the book, read it and then comment. Skip the drivel, man. You seem to have a pathological hatred for Obote. Why? y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Re: Kanyeihamba on the Phantom Arms ofthe1960s, Ibingira and theConspiracies Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:46:05 + _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- Mr. Dambisya, I have not read/seen Kanyeihamba's book. What you state of the gentleman's credentials hardly impresses anyone as to his credibility as a source of information. Here is what would help me determine if his book is worthspending time on. a. What was his role in those days (1960s)?i.e. did he personally witness the events he writes about, or did he, like the rest of us, depend on the rumor-mill(a.k.a. 'Radio-Katwe') as his source of information. b. If he did not witness the evenst from close quarters, as Ibingira did, whom did he interview (it usual to give your source in academic endeavors of this nature, e.g. see Michael Wright's book, Buganda in the Heroic Age or other historical writings). c. Since much of yourexcerpt depends on a letteralleged written to the Queen of England by consiratorial Baganda traditionalists, does Kanyeihamba or can you, give us a reprint of this letter, or point us a source where this letter has been published, so we satisfy ourselves that: (i) its existence not a figment of somebody's imagination (ii) not a forgery (the miracle mordern technology can assist one in determining if something is a genuine article or not). This is because we can hardly beleive that if such a letter actually existed-- and were genuine -- Obote and his indefatigible henchmen would not have publicized to the widest possible extent asproof-positive of Ssekabaka Muteesa's and Baganda's wickedness! Please keep in mind that the British government has released/leaked a great many documents -- even supposedly secret documents -- concerning Uganda (and other areas), and that various archives of those documents are accessible to the ordinary Kibuuka and Opio. If I am not mistaken, they in fact relaese documents 25 years or so after the events, except for 'sensitive' or 'active' ones. Finally, in the meantime could you please gives us the books TOC (Table of Contents)? I'll be happy to address the specific issues in your excerpt once I hear from you. Ideally, I'd very much prefer to reply to you after I have had a chance to read the book and have formed an informed opinion of it. Sssemakula ps: why does a book whose title suggests that it deals with events in the 1984-Present time frame dabble in events that happened in the early 1960s? Original Message Follows From: "YOSWA DAMBISYA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,"YOSWA DAMBISYA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Kanyeihamba on the Phantom Arms ofthe1960s, Ibingira and theConspiracies Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 16:20:20 +0200 Omw Ssemakula, As I await the evidence which you expect me to dispute in defense of Milton Obote and his part in the 1960s developments, I have been reading "Justice Prof Dr GW Kanyeihamba; LLB, LLM, PhD, JSC, SC" 's recently released book: Constitutional and Political History of Uganda: From 1984 to the Present. I found a section on what he refers to as the "Dramatic Years, 1962-1966" and "The Conspiracies" therein particularly relevant to the issue of the phantom arms. I have attempted to reproduce sections of the book for the edification of those who may not have got hold of the book yet. I apologise for any mistakes that I may have made in the process but are willing to correct them as the discussions proceed. The quotes are taken from pages 88-94. "...By 1965, the divisionist and traditionalist elements had penetrated the party, and acquired active supporters within the rank and file of the party followers**. The party was torn by confusion because many of those voices belonged to some of the most influential leaders of the party* After the successful referendum and successful transfer of the two "Lost Counties" to Bunyoro in 1964, the animosity of Buganda towards the Obote government and UPC escalated. Buganda traditionalists at Mengo begun to exploit all possible political angles with the aim of undermining and eventually removing Obote from power. A political alliance between the Kabaka, his ministers and disgruntled elements within UPC was reached. The latter included and was led by the then Minister of Justice, Grace Ibingira, who was at the same time, the Secretary General of UPC. He had **Balaki Kirya, George Magezi and Dr Emmanuel Lumu, who were also Cabinet Ministers in Obote's government*.. " In conjunction
Re: ugnet_: The Great Catfish War
J Ssemakula; It would be nice if you cut/paste the articlers you refer to, rather than just giving us the url. Most times some of us cant access them! Thank you. y From: J Ssemakula [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: The Great Catfish War Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 16:17:13 + _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ---BeginMessage--- This article and the one I sent yesterday on the US's protectionist trade policies indicate that AGOA, NEPAD, globolization, etc are nothing but smoke-and-mirrors as far as the Third World, especially Africa, is concerned. Africans need to tell the US and the rest of the world in no uncertain terms: unless you open your markets and stop subsidies to your farmers, forget African oil. While this is the only thing the US will understand, the chance of it happening is just a tad less that Africa putting a man on the moon in a month of Sundays... - The Great Catfish War July 22, 2003 The fate of Vietnam's catfish offers a warning to poorer nations who try to play by the big boys' rules in the world trading system. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/22/opinion/22TUE1.html?ex=1059889413ei=1en=a054380ed05839f9 ps:To the internet police:- Let's be realistic, federo does not grow in a vacuum, much less in poverty... (Man cannot live on bread alone!) Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ---End Message---
Re: ugnet_: News Update: UPDF Gunship kill nine civilians
Omar, This is a very sad story indeed. Very sad because dictator Museveni is turning his gunships on innocent civilians with impunity. Museveni apologist-sychophants like Bantariza's unforgivable utturences that the army regrets the 'incident' does not cut it. An army that cannot tell the difference between a civilian funeral and a rebel convoy is no peoples' defence force. Lt Gen Museveni as C-n-C of the army should take the responsiblity and do the honorable thing - resign. Imagine: ... the helicopter gunships bombed the villages. ... ... the killing of nine people by the choppers that also injured several others Many suffered bullet wounds but had received no treatment ...There are women ... whose breasts were split by bullets ... Ugandans deserve better protection than this offered by the so-called UPDF! y From: Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: News Update: UPDF Gunship kill nine civilians Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:21:55 -0700 (PDT) Gunships kill nine civilians By Our Reporters July 25, 2003 -Monitor Army says it was a mistake Military helicopters killed nine civilians and injured several others in anti-rebel bombing raids in Obalanga in Katakwi district on Tuesday. The LC-V councillor representing Obalanga sub-county, Mr Julius Ochen, said that the civilians were fleeing the fighting between the Uganda People's Defence Forces and the Lord's Resistance Army rebels at Alito village, Angica parish in Obalanga. We are saddened by the killing of nine people by the choppers that also injured several others at Alito, Ochen told The Monitor in Soroti town last night. He was in Soroti, which borders Katakwi, to look for transportation to move injured civilians to hospital. Many suffered bullet wounds but had received no treatment. Children hurt most Ochen said that some of the injured were being carried to his house in Obalanga trading centre. There are women in my house whose breasts were split by bullets and I have asked the security organs to assist in transporting them to Soroti Hospital for treatment, he said. The army spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza, yesterday regretted the incident, saying that the helicopters were targeting rebels. He said that civilians had previously deserted the area. What happened was that the rebels killed a person but we didn't know that some people had taken their dead back for burial, Bantariza said. Ochen said that he was compiling a list of all those killed or injured when the helicopter gunships bombed the villages. The UPDF has deployed three MI-24 attack helicopters to provide aerial support for ground troops and local militia fighting the LRA rebels. The LRA have started renaming sub-counties in the Teso sub-region, which they first invaded on June 15. The Tuesday killings bring to 31 the number of people killed by UPDF gunships since the army's offensive against the LRA started in Teso last month. Local sources said that those killed on Tuesday were mostly children. Army denies losses Meanwhile, the Missionary News Agency (Misna) yesterday reported that 30 UPDF soldiers were killed in a firefight with the rebels. The fighting is said to have taken place in Apala, 20km north of Lira. But the UPDF yesterday said it had not suffered heavy casualties. The fighting broke out last Tuesday at 16:00hrs local time, and lasted for a couple of hours. In the morning of the same day another group attacked the small town of Ngai, Misna reported. Maj. Bantariza laughed off the Misna report as wishful thinking. The spokesman of the army's 5th Division, Lt. Chris Magezi, also denied that the army had lost any men. There were only a few skirmishes, Lt. Magezi said. There has not been any fighting apart from small skirmishes including one in which about seven rebels fired a few bullets at our convoy in Apala, he said. Misna also reported that the rebels killed one civilian and abducted at least 20 people at Iceme, 50km west of Lira. The LRA rebels have been fighting the government since 1988. The war in northern Uganda has left thousands dead and forced one million into camps for the internally displaced. On Tuesday, Lt. Gen. Yoweri Museveni told members of Parliament that the key factors why the northern war has not ended are the Sudan government's support for the rebels, bad leadership in the north, poor infrastructure and inadequate funding for Defence. © 2003 The Monitor Publications - - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: ugnet_: Army Dares UPC to firing practice
... I am challenging the UPC leaders to line up at the Constitutional Square and we use that fake ammunition from Nakasongola to fire at them to see whether it is fake, the army spokesman said. ... What a trigger-happy army asshole!! y From: Omar Kezimbira [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: ugnet_: Army Dares UPC to firing practice Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Army dares UPC to firing practice By Alex B. Atuhaire July 25, 2003 -Monitor The Uganda People's Congress on Wednesday said that an inquiry into ghost soldiers was a cover up by the government. Lt. Gen. Yoweri Museveni last month ordered an inquiry into ghost soldiers on the army payroll. But the UPC's acting presidential commission chairman, Mr Henry Mayega, said that the inquiry only confirmed what Ugandans had known for a long time: That the UPDF is a bastion of theft, greed and source of primitive accumulation by leaders. But the army spokesman, Maj. Shaban Bantariza, could not take it lying down. He said that the UPDF has held the state together for 17 years unlike the UPC government that was twice overthrown in a military coup. If they were such exemplary leaders, where were they when they were twice overthrown by their armies? Bantariza said. The UPC leaders had also accused the UPDF of producing fake ammunition at the Nakasongola arms factory. But again Bantariza dared them. I am challenging the UPC leaders to line up at the Constitutional Square and we use that fake ammunition from Nakasongola to fire at them to see whether it is fake, the army spokesman said. © 2003 The Monitor Publications - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail
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Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: [UNAANET] HON MBABAZI,S RESPONSE .
Mbabazi, like you yourself Abayombo, is trying to protect his job, but soon that will be no more, EXILE kids. Even if you guys have padded your bank accounts, we will get to them! y[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -. Bush Opposed to Third Term: Response by Hon. Amama Mbabazi Introduction In the front page headline, Bush opposed to third term for Museveni, the Sunday Monitor newspaper of July 10, 2005 the US ambassador to Uganda, Mr. Jimmy Kolker, is reported to have made the following points: President Bush advised President Museveni to retire from politics in 2006 The Uganda Parliament was manipulated into voting for the Constitutional Amendment Bill It is odd for a 9 year old constitution without allowing it to run, and on more than 100 articles some of which had not been tested, to be amended. The US Constitution was enacted in 1789 and only 27 articles have been amended. It is true that in the White House meeting between the two Presidents, which I had the honour and privilege to attend, President Bush asked President Museveni about the proposed constitutional amendment in Uganda on term limits and if the latter was preparing to retire at the end of his second term of office. He stated that the two term limit had worked well for the US. He raised the matter by way of inquiry. President Museveni in his response said that the Ugandan leadership was studying the issue and would come up with a position when ready. President Bush did not enunciate a US policy that Uganda should not consider amending her constitution or that, if it is amended, President Museveni should not consider offering himself for re-election. Indeed in the numerous interactions I have had with US Administration officials I have been told repeatedly that the US Administration has no problem wi th Uganda amending her constitution if it is done legally and transparently. Uganda Government policy on term limitation However, even if indeed the US government policy was that they were opposed to removal of term limits from our constitution, clearly this is a matter for Ugandans to decide for themselves. We can listen and even adopt foreign friendly advice, but clearly the decisions are for Ugandans to make. Uganda is currently undergoing constitutional review. The Constitutional Review Commission (CRC) proposed a comprehensive constitutional change in December 2003. The Government then made proposals to Parliament in September 2004 including the introduction of full multiparty political system and the lifting of term limits among other things. Taking into account that the National Resistance Movement struggle in Uganda was to restore the sovereignty of the population in decision making which principle was captured by the 1995 Constitution in article ONE which provides that ?all power belongs to the people who shall exercise their sovereignty in accordance with [the] Constitution? and who ?shall express their will and consent on who shall govern them and how they should be governed, through regular, free and fair elections of their representatives or through referenda?, the National Conference of the Movement passed, among others, a resolution in March 2003 to open up political space to allow people to organise themselves to compete for political power as they wished and to remove presidential term limits. The Bills incorporating the proposed amendments are now before Parliament undergoing consideration and decision making in accordance with the procedure laid down in the Constitution. Constitutional review is not the invention of Uganda. In the US itself, as the ambassador correctly observes, there have been amendments of their constitution. Whereas it is true that there have been 27 amendments (and not amendment of only 27 articles as the report in the Monitor suggests, after all there are only 7 original articles of that constitution), over 10,000 Constitutional amendments have been introduced in Congress since 1789; in a typical Congressional year in the last several decades, between 100 and 200 are offered. In fact the first ten amendments of the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, were all adopted within a few years of the ratification of the Constitution. The amendments were proposed by Congress as part of a block of twelve in September 1789. By December 1791 a sufficient number of states had ratified ten of the twelve proposals, and the Bill of Rights became part of the Constitution only 2 years after promulgation! What is ?odd? about Uganda amending her constitution 9 years after its promulgation?! There are currently some amendments which have entered mainstream political debate in the US Congress. These include the proposed Federal Marriage Amendment, the Flag-Burning Amendment, etc. So if it has been ok for this to happen in the US, why should it be taboo for Uganda to do? The Parliament of Uganda is just doing what the Constitution of Uganda enjoins them to do ? if it is so desirable, to amend the
Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: [UNAANET] HON MBABAZI,S RESPONSE .
Abayombo, Whom do you mean by the "Great teacher Joseph"? y[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Y, Long time.we missed you.Had you gone to pay a visit to the Great teacher Joseph?-Original Message-----From: Y Yaobang [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ugandanet@kym.netSent: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:33:24 +0800 (CST)Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Fwd: [UNAANET] HON MBABAZI,S RESPONSE . Mbabazi, like you yourself Abayombo, is trying to protect his job, but soon that will be no more, EXILE kids. Even if you guys have padded your bank accounts, we will get to them! y[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -. Bush Opposed to Third Term: Response by Hon. Amama Mbabazi Introduction In the front page headline, Bush opposed to third term for Museveni, the Sunday Monitor newspaper of July 10, 2005 the US ambassador to Uganda, Mr. Jimmy Kolker, is reported to have made the following points: President Bush advised President Museveni to retire from politics in 2006 The Uganda Parliament was manipulated into voting for the Constitutional Amendment Bill It is odd for a 9 year old constitution without allowing it to run, and on more than 100 articles some of which had not been tested, to be amended. The US Constitution was enacted in 1789 and only 27 articles have been amended. It is true that in the White House meeting between the two Presidents, which I had the honour and privilege to attend, President Bush asked President Museveni about the proposed constitutional amendment in Uganda on term limits and if the latter was preparing to retire at the end of his second term of office. He stated that the two term limit had worked well for the US. He raised the matter by way of inquiry. President Museveni in his response said that the Ugandan leadership was studying the issue and would come up with a position when ready. President Bush did not enunciate a US policy that Uganda should not consider amending her constitution or that, if it is amended, President Museveni should not consider offering himself for re-election. Indeed in the numerous interactions I have had with US Administration officials I have been told repeatedly that the US Administration has no problem wi th Uganda amending her constitution if it is done legally and transparently. Uganda Government policy on term limitation However, even if indeed the US government policy was that they were opposed to removal of term limits from our constitution, clearly this is a matter for Ugandans to decide for themselves. We can listen and even adopt foreign friendly advice, but clearly the decisions are for Ugandans to make. Uganda is currently undergoing constitutional review. The Constitutional Review Commission (CRC) proposed a comprehensive constitutional change in December 2003. The Government then made proposals to Parliament in September 2004 including the introduction of full multiparty political system and the lifting of term limits among other things. Taking into account that the National Resistance Movement struggle in Uganda was to restore the sovereignty of the population in decision making which principle was captured by the 1995 Constitution in article ONE which provides that ?all power belongs to the people who shall exercise their sovereignty in accordance with [the] Constitution? and who ?shall express their will and consent on who shall govern them and how they should be governed, through regular, free and fair elections of their representatives or through referenda?, the National Conference of the Movement passed, among others, a resolution in March 2003 to open up political space to allow people to organise themselves to compete for political power as they wished and to remove presidential term limits. The Bills incorporating the proposed amendments are now before Parliament undergoing consideration and decision making in accordance with the procedure laid down in the Constitution. Constitutional review is not the invention of Uganda. In the US itself, as the ambassador correctly observes, there have been amendments of their constitution. Whereas it is true that there have been 27 amendments (and not amendment of only 27 articles as the report in the Monitor suggests, after all there are only 7 original articles of that constitution), over 10,000 Constitutional amendments have been introduced in Congress since 1789; in a typical Congressional year in the last several decades, between 100 and 200 are offered. In fact the first ten amendments of the US Constitution, The Bill of Rights, were all adopted within a few years of the ratification of the Constitution. The amendments were proposed by Congress as part of a block of twelve in September 1789. By December 1791 a sufficient number of states had ratified ten of the twelve proposals, and the Bill of Rights became part of the Constitution only 2 years after promulgation! What is ?odd? about Uganda amending her constitution 9 years after its promulgation?! There are currently some amendments which ha
[Ugnet] I wish sychophant Nsibambi acted the same way on corruption!
Drinking hours to be restricted By Henry Mukasa and James Odong YOU might have a deeper pocket and in the habit of drowning in alcohol anytime you wish, but that is set to change within a few months. Stung by the World Health Organisation (WHO) report ranking Uganda as having the highest alcohol per-capita, government will soon institute a policy to regulate drinking hours. The Prime Minister, Prof. Apolo Nsibambi, yesterday directed the ethics and integrity minister, Tim Lwanga, to study the alcohol problem and come up with a policy within three months. People are drinking a lot of alcohol. This matter affects a number of ministries. Its a health hazard. The Minister of Ethics and Integrity should interface with other ministries and come up with a policy within three months to study the quantum, cause of the problem and possible panacea, Nsibambi told Parliament yesterday. Nsibambis directive was in response to concern by Sarah Kiyingi (Rakai) that WHO had ranked Uganda as champions of alcohol and radio presenters had made the tragedy a joke as if it were a score for the country. Meet your soulmate! Yahoo! Asia presents Meetic - where millions of singles gather ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/
