Re: [UC] Committee meeting on the 13th at Walnut West - Grossbach Glasnost
In a message dated 6/13/2007 9:05:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone ever recall any email on this listserv from Barry Grossbach ... but has he ever posted anything so as we could participate before all has been said and done? He has been far too busy amongst CD academics establishing himself as the oral historian most compellingly chronicling the death of the Hood, during the Meyerson and Hackney eras, and its brilliant re-emergence during Rodin's Reign with somewhat more grandeur than a new Pope's first Easter Sunday Mass of the Day in Saint Peter's Square. Paradisi Gloria UCD Ciao, Craig ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint
- Original Message - From: Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint Turner,Kathleen wrote: Brian, just out of curiousity, can you give us a rough count of the membership of FOCP? I'm wondering just how many of us are out there embarrassing the people of this community. Why certainly, Kathleen. The Friends of Clark Park includes nearly _three hundred and fifty_ members. And very single one of them works hard at embarassing the community. Ms. Turner, You and Mr. Siano, The Secretary of FOCP, are attempting an appeal known as astroturfing. Do the 350 members want to spread deliberate misinformation publicly in order to defend the UCD? Do the 350 members wish to insinuate that our elected councilperson is lying by making up a clearly stated denial of the gag order placed on Mr. Fenton? For that matter, did the 350 members want to lie about conducting 17 public meetings in Clark Park about the UCD redesign? Of course not! Probably a third to half pay money to FoCP just so that their children are allowed to play soccer in Clark Park. I don't follow what the cost is for kids to play soccer in the public park, but I think it's close to $50. Kathy, now that astroturfing has been discussed on the list, I fear that you may make yourself look silly if you continue this approach and strategy. I have long maintained that the leadership of FoCP does not represent or communicate appropriately with the membership of the association nor the community as claimed. However, when the leadership engages in dishonest activity, it is the organization as a whole that loses credibility. In fact, the very appeal you are making to astroturfing would work against your members. If I am correct about events a week ago, you are asserting that 350 people do desire deliberately making up false information about a publicly observed meeting. I say that the members have been victims of an out of control leadership. But it is the members, ultimately, who have not managed to demand responsible leadership or processes. Can you see how the organization as a whole loses credibility when the leadership lies about public events? I am not the one passing deliberate false information on a public listserv. With full impunity from FOCP leadership, it is the identified representative of the FOCP doing this. I've been sorry about that for a long time, but clearly not the cause. I tried hard when I was a member of FOCP! I was forced to deal with the association as a leader of an outside organization and as a community member proposing the Clark Park Farmer's Market. Sincerely, Mr. Moyer Whether it's planting trees, supervising youth soccer, raising funds for park projects, soliciting public opinion and public feedback for the Park A reconstruction, or just picking up trash, the Friends of Clark Park have worked long and hard to make our community look inept, stupid and ridiculous, what with our strutting about and looking pompous while we do all these things. And the future looks bright for the Friends, what with the terrific opportunities for embarassing the community. The new basketball court coming by this fall should make us look _especially_ ridiculous. Events such as Shakespeare in the Park also enable us to make our neighbors look like comical fools. Yes, there's a grand future of embarassment ahead for the Friends of Clark Park.If anyone out there would like to help us embarass the community, meet up with our table at the Farmers' Markets every Saturday. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. Wow. Thanks for reporting this publicly Sharrieff. I previously reported to the list that upon review of the UCD web site, it appeared that Squirell Hill continues to be the only association without a community representative. So this testament strongly suggests that UCD did indeed exclude any association that did not obey the 3 choice command. Again, I want to publicly thank the Squirell Hill Civic Association for the appropriate response and good leadership in our community. Glenn - Original Message - From: S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Doc Baldy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'University City listserv' univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Reality check
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:28 PM
Subject: Fwd: [UC] Reality check
I thought I saw Marty's name on the board list for UCD when I checked earlier
this month.
I understand he was very present at the first Thursday with Jannie.
Seems like he should have been the usual suspect for the committeeman7
message. Right?
Paul
Hey buddy,
You can take pot shots at what I say on the list. But now, you are engaging
in this insinuation against people without any support. It was always nutty to
accuse a Blackwell associate of that post. Now, you make this type of
suggestion. Shame on you.
You need to ask the one who brought the report of the fraud, and launched the
immediate investigations into voteforandytoy and committeeman 7; how the
investigation proceeds. I believe that was Mr. West, if I am not mistaken.
Nnelg
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From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]; University City List
UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check
- Original Message - From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check
KAREN ALLEN wrote:
I thought John Fenton was under a gag order. If that's the case, he's
not in a position to refute anything.
open questions:
are the other ucd employees that were involved with the malcolm x park
incident also under gag orders?
Excellent question! I hope they haven't been placed on a 2 week leave.
also, is it true that marty and glenn bryan were removed from ucd's board?
when? were any reasons given why?
OK. This is what I know. I remember that Marty Cabry was on the UCD Board at
the very beginning. Maybe 1999 or 2001? I had heard a long time ago that he had
been removed rather than having quit. For me, the Councilmanwoman just
confirmed what I had heard a long time ago.
What I think I heard on Thurs.? Councilwoman Blackwell suggesting that both
he and Glenn Bryan were removed because of the long working relationship with
her. I missed when Glenn Bryan was actually on the Board. It's my opinion that
she is confirming what I've asserted, a UCD demand for secrecy.
A working relationship should have open communication pathways. Whether it's
between a civic association and their members, or between a UCD and the
community's elected representative; open communication needs to be encouraged.
I have no other information, but I think I understand her complaint. Why
should she not have a representative on the board with whom she has a working
relationship? The community depends on her to get the best information about
what is going on, and if her contacts are removed; the open communication is
blocked.
and, is the full text of wendell's statement available publicly? when he
read it at last thursday's meeting, did he just happen to have a copy with
him, or had he been planning on reading it?
He read it when, I believe both Freda and I, called out, will you confirm or
deny what the Councilwoman is telling us. He did not offer any copies of the
statement, but read it from a paper.
That's what I experienced,
Glenn
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It is very clear on this listserve who
these people are. Ray has admitted being
connected to this forger. -- Tony West
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Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: Fwd: [UC] The FOCP complaint Glenn, How about sharing the complaint with the list? Paul Here is the text without my email to FOCP previously posted or copies of public posts I included.. Please note, upon return I had received communication from 1 FOCP Board member. At the time I wrote this, none had contacted me about my official request to them. 6/13/07 Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell, I’d like to make you aware of the following public posts on the University City listserv. A long-term leader of the Friends of Clark Park is posting these. I have brought to your staff numerous complaints about this organization and its leadership. In the posts, this FOCP representative is directly challenging the account you presented at the University of Pennsylvania’s, First Thursday meeting. Furthermore, this FoCP leader is making up a denial of your account by Mr. Lewis Wendell even though the room was packed and no such denial ever happened. This type of behavior has been persistent for years. Individuals in the community can not interact with this FoCP association and routinely have their credibility and character attacked, as I believe you are receiving now. I have tried hard with some others to call for reform of the FoCP and for that matter, the other local civic associations. However, in my opinion, the leaders maintain power like a gang with these types of tactics. Frankly, the leadership of these associations has become so bold with their power; they will not stop until reform is demanded by partners involved with the associations. I brought a complaint to Marty Cabry about the process used in the FOCP announcement of the redesign of Clark Park. The organization refused to engage the community honestly and used the usual tactics against their critics. I believe that the FOCP must be ordered to stop conducting business in this manner or told they will be shunned. As you know, I was an active leader in Clark Park for years. I was treated with contempt and disrespect from both the UCD and The Friends of Clark Park and have essentially been barred from participation for years. The leaders violate the rules of order routinely in order to control discussion and participation. I bring these listserv posts to you as evidence of just how out of control this civic association has become. Even you are a target of bold misinformation and character attacks. I have asked the FOCP to remove Mr. West, but have received no response or public condemnation of his conduct. This treatment happens against individuals all the time. Thank you for sharing your information about the UCD. The UCD is not an accountable organization. Sincerely, Glenn Moyer -Original Message- From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 4:30 pm Subject: [UC] The FOCP complaint Neighbors, Earlier today, I hand delivered a written complaint to the office of Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell and staff about the false information being posted publicly by the Friends of Clark Park about last Thursday’s, University of Pennsylvania meeting. This publicly observed and documented meeting engaged issues of tremendous neighborhood importance. In my opinion, the Friends of Clark Park organization has become a tremendous embarrassment to the people of this community. The information posted on this listserv by the FOCP representative depends upon false, made-up information when describing a heavily attended public event. With the made-up information, the FOCP is publicly contradicting our elected city council representative in a most egregious manner. This deliberate attempt at obfuscation of listserv readers has been done repeatedly by the FOCP like last fall with the claim that 17 public meetings had taken place about the planned UCD redesign of Clark Park. The FOCP is now claiming: West writes on 6/8/07 Glenn's report is false. John Fenton has not been fired. His employer, Lewis Wendell stated that clearly at the meeting Glenn attended. Seventy people heard him say that. -- Tony West West writes on 6/13/07 I might note John Fenton has not disputed in public this public contention of UCD's, that he's still an employee. And he's had many an opportunity. The Friends of Clark Park depend upon a working relationship with government officials as well as their UCD corporate partners. To attack the account our elected representative made publicly with false, made-up information has destroyed the credibility of the organization. I have reported previously to this listserv many of the process problems, which I believe, allow the complete breakdown of this civic organization. I do not believe the FOCP can reform. I believe the time for the
RE: [UC] The FOCP complaint
Dear Glenda, The maximum number of participants in the youth soccer program has been about 130 kids; given that we have many families with multiple kids enrolled, I would place the total number of families at about 90. That hardly constitutes the majority of the FOCP membership. I suspect that the rest of the members are residents of the community who, like myself, feel that FOCP contributes significantly to the maintenance, appearance and safety of the park. BTW, total cost for a child to register for soccer for one season is $32. Of that, the $10 FOCP membership fee, and the EPYSA fee of $7 (which provides insurance coverage) extend over two seasons, so the actual cost is less than $24/season. The cost goes down even further for multiple children in one family, and many, many players are subsidized by soccerships which we are able to offer through the generosity of the many local businesses and individuals who support the soccer program. Oh, just for comparison, the registration fee for the Fairmount Soccer program is $100 per child for one season. I don't know about the other 349 or so members of FOCP, but I'm not terribly embarrassed by Tony West's reporting the following: UCD Executive Director Lewis Wendell attended the meeting. He read a previously published statement. Fenton, he reiterated, is still on paid administrative leave pending the results of an internal investigation. In addition, he said, 'We are in discussions to resolve the matter.' It seems to be straightforward, unbiased reporting that one would expect from a professional journalist. Lunatic ranting, on the other hand, clearly comes from other sources. Kathleen (NOT, if you please Kathy) -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:01 AM To: Turner,Kathleen Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint - Original Message - From: Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint Turner,Kathleen wrote: Brian, just out of curiousity, can you give us a rough count of the membership of FOCP? I'm wondering just how many of us are out there embarrassing the people of this community. Why certainly, Kathleen. The Friends of Clark Park includes nearly _three hundred and fifty_ members. And very single one of them works hard at embarassing the community. Ms. Turner, You and Mr. Siano, The Secretary of FOCP, are attempting an appeal known as astroturfing. Do the 350 members want to spread deliberate misinformation publicly in order to defend the UCD? Do the 350 members wish to insinuate that our elected councilperson is lying by making up a clearly stated denial of the gag order placed on Mr. Fenton? For that matter, did the 350 members want to lie about conducting 17 public meetings in Clark Park about the UCD redesign? Of course not! Probably a third to half pay money to FoCP just so that their children are allowed to play soccer in Clark Park. I don't follow what the cost is for kids to play soccer in the public park, but I think it's close to $50. Kathy, now that astroturfing has been discussed on the list, I fear that you may make yourself look silly if you continue this approach and strategy. I have long maintained that the leadership of FoCP does not represent or communicate appropriately with the membership of the association nor the community as claimed. However, when the leadership engages in dishonest activity, it is the organization as a whole that loses credibility. In fact, the very appeal you are making to astroturfing would work against your members. If I am correct about events a week ago, you are asserting that 350 people do desire deliberately making up false information about a publicly observed meeting. I say that the members have been victims of an out of control leadership. But it is the members, ultimately, who have not managed to demand responsible leadership or processes. Can you see how the organization as a whole loses credibility when the leadership lies about public events? I am not the one passing deliberate false information on a public listserv. With full impunity from FOCP leadership, it is the identified representative of the FOCP doing this. I've been sorry about that for a long time, but clearly not the cause. I tried hard when I was a member of FOCP! I was forced to deal with the association as a leader of an outside organization and as a community member proposing the Clark Park Farmer's Market. Sincerely, Mr. Moyer Whether it's planting trees, supervising youth soccer, raising funds for park projects, soliciting public opinion and public feedback for the Park A reconstruction, or just picking up trash, the Friends of Clark Park have worked long and hard to make our community look inept, stupid and ridiculous, what with our strutting about and looking
Fwd: [UC] Reality check
This, I believe, is why Tony likes face-to-face meetings instead of email or listserv?correspondence. That's mind boggling.? As much time as he spends posting to the list, he must spend the rest of his waking hours engaging in face to face meetings so he can fast talk people.? Hard to believe. Paul -Original Message- From: Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check Not cheap at all. I'm replying to this: All this is rapidly evolving even as we tap, of course. Real negotiations about matters of importance never take place on an unmoderated listserv. He posed it as a statement which is why I responded the way I did. That is Tony's style: Broad statements of fact which are, in reality, his opinions. Notice the word never in the second sentence. Really? And important. Important to whom? And who said these particular negotiations were happening here in the first place? No one did. It's a red herring. This, I believe, is why Tony likes face-to-face meetings instead of email or listserv?correspondence.?In person people don't have time to react to this kind of nonsense before the next ridiculous sentence is uttered. In an email people have time to compose an answer based on what was actually said instead of a fleeting impression. Frank On Jun 13, 2007, at 01:50 PM, Brian Siano wrote: Frank wrote: First of all, that is one of the reasons I work for myself. Secondly, if you think this never happens, you are more naive than you let on. Do you honestly believe everything a CEO says publicly about an employee's departure is true? Please say you don't. Why should this situation be any different? According to Jannie Blackwell, one of the conditions of Fenton's severance package is that he not talk about it, Perhaps *that's* why he hasn't said anything. How do you know it's evolving and not over? You're implying you know something the rest of us do not. Do you? So we get the cheapest of the debating tactics: Are you _sure_? Do you really _know_? How do you _really know_? Couldn't you be _wrong_? Jesus, you sound like a freshman who's just read the _Republic_ for the first time. All we know is this: Blackwell says that Fenton was offered a severance package (Could be true or not.). UCD says they're still investigating the issue (Investigating.is a broad term: they might've made their minds up by now, but haven't acted on anything, and they could claim to be investigating.) We can speculate all we want about these two different claims. But there has been no _official_ word that John Fenton has been fired, asked to resign, resigned, or been exonerated. As far as the facts are known right now, Fenton is still an employee of UCD. As far as I can tell, this is what Tony's been saying, and somehow many people here fail to grasp this. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. = AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them Sharrieff, One other question for clarification. It sounds like Marty was first on the Board. Then, was Squirrel Hill told to provide 3 names to replace him? And thus, they simply lost a Board seat when they refused? That is how I'm reading this. It's a long time ago, but my recollection is that Marty was on at the very beginning of UCD. I know it was about 5 years ago that I heard of the removal, but not the details. To me, this supports the suggestion, as I understood the Councilwoman's account, that he was removed. I just want to be clear. I think we're getting a much better picture now that we are sharing our stories. Glenn - Original Message - From: S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Doc Baldy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'University City listserv' univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
I really don't want to speak for anyone, we are hoping to uncover the facts in this area through the community process. I don't know that Squirrel Hill has lost a seat on the Board of UCD, it may be Squirrel Hill has chosen not to fill their seat under the current guidelines. S. -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:05 AM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: 'University City listserv' Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them Sharrieff, One other question for clarification. It sounds like Marty was first on the Board. Then, was Squirrel Hill told to provide 3 names to replace him? And thus, they simply lost a Board seat when they refused? That is how I'm reading this. It's a long time ago, but my recollection is that Marty was on at the very beginning of UCD. I know it was about 5 years ago that I heard of the removal, but not the details. To me, this supports the suggestion, as I understood the Councilwoman's account, that he was removed. I just want to be clear. I think we're getting a much better picture now that we are sharing our stories. Glenn - Original Message - From: S. Sharrieff Ali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Doc Baldy' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'University City listserv' univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 7:42 AM Subject: RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. Marty attended the meeting last night representing Councilwoman Blackwell's Office and we discussed his removal from the Board of UCD. Marty stated he is not currently a UCD Board Member. Marty was the Squirrel Hill Representative on the UCD Board and was removed from the Board by UCD when Squirrel Hill refused to submit 3 names for UCD to select their representative for them. Cindy Preston gave testimony to that fact. The UC-Review sent a reporter. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doc Baldy Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM To: S. Sharrieff Ali Cc: University City listserv Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi Sharrieff, Thanks for the extensive summary. I'm curious about a few points Racial Discrimination in UCD hiring polices If true, that's pretty serious. Was any evidence presented to support this claim? particularly the treatment of John Fenton. Just to clarify, what specifically was the treatment that was called into question? To date, the only fact I know is that John was suspended with pay. Have any other facts come out that I may have missed in the 1000's of list serve emails about this? Eligibility limited to non-UCD affiliated individuals. Are residents who donate money to UCD considered UCD affiliated? Thanks, Stephen You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint
Kathleen, Thanks for the correct information about the soccer. I still honestly wish park events were free to all. I also honestly think the parents and children would be better served by moving slightly to the lovely field at the Recreation Center. These have a healthier athletic field, the bathrooms, storage, fence boundaries, etc. which would benefit the activity. I love intramural sports so don't get me wrong about this; these are my honest opinions and I've never been an enemy of the soccer program as I've heard the rumor machine has been pumping out for years. I met one of the soccer leaders recently. He started cracking up when I told him that I was the one. He was laughing and said something like, you're not so bad. Also, there is no a on the end of my name. I like the name, Reyom Nnelg, if you want to insult me in the future. Glenn - Original Message - From: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [UC] The FOCP complaint Dear Glenda, The maximum number of participants in the youth soccer program has been about 130 kids; given that we have many families with multiple kids enrolled, I would place the total number of families at about 90. That hardly constitutes the majority of the FOCP membership. I suspect that the rest of the members are residents of the community who, like myself, feel that FOCP contributes significantly to the maintenance, appearance and safety of the park. BTW, total cost for a child to register for soccer for one season is $32. Of that, the $10 FOCP membership fee, and the EPYSA fee of $7 (which provides insurance coverage) extend over two seasons, so the actual cost is less than $24/season. The cost goes down even further for multiple children in one family, and many, many players are subsidized by soccerships which we are able to offer through the generosity of the many local businesses and individuals who support the soccer program. Oh, just for comparison, the registration fee for the Fairmount Soccer program is $100 per child for one season. I don't know about the other 349 or so members of FOCP, but I'm not terribly embarrassed by Tony West's reporting the following: UCD Executive Director Lewis Wendell attended the meeting. He read a previously published statement. Fenton, he reiterated, is still on paid administrative leave pending the results of an internal investigation. In addition, he said, 'We are in discussions to resolve the matter.' It seems to be straightforward, unbiased reporting that one would expect from a professional journalist. Lunatic ranting, on the other hand, clearly comes from other sources. Kathleen (NOT, if you please Kathy) -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:01 AM To: Turner,Kathleen Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint - Original Message - From: Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint Turner,Kathleen wrote: Brian, just out of curiousity, can you give us a rough count of the membership of FOCP? I'm wondering just how many of us are out there embarrassing the people of this community. Why certainly, Kathleen. The Friends of Clark Park includes nearly _three hundred and fifty_ members. And very single one of them works hard at embarassing the community. Ms. Turner, You and Mr. Siano, The Secretary of FOCP, are attempting an appeal known as astroturfing. Do the 350 members want to spread deliberate misinformation publicly in order to defend the UCD? Do the 350 members wish to insinuate that our elected councilperson is lying by making up a clearly stated denial of the gag order placed on Mr. Fenton? For that matter, did the 350 members want to lie about conducting 17 public meetings in Clark Park about the UCD redesign? Of course not! Probably a third to half pay money to FoCP just so that their children are allowed to play soccer in Clark Park. I don't follow what the cost is for kids to play soccer in the public park, but I think it's close to $50. Kathy, now that astroturfing has been discussed on the list, I fear that you may make yourself look silly if you continue this approach and strategy. I have long maintained that the leadership of FoCP does not represent or communicate appropriately with the membership of the association nor the community as claimed. However, when the leadership engages in dishonest activity, it is the organization as a whole that loses credibility. In fact, the very appeal you are making to astroturfing would work against your members. If I am correct about events a week ago, you are asserting that 350 people do desire deliberately making up false information about a publicly observed meeting. I say that the members have been victims of an out of
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
S. Sharrieff Ali wrote: *Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD* * * this is big. I mean, no matter what happens, how things shape up, it's terrific that something public like this even exists. huge. gotta run, more later (thinking of possibilities...) .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Soccer and FoCP (was The FOCP complaint)
I was the registrar for soccer for CPYSL (Clark Park Youth Soccer League) and have a better feeling for the numbers than most. While the soccer program usually have 130-160 young people in a season and there are about 100 unique families, all the families are family members which means that they get two votes. Since there are two soccer seasons in a year and FoCP membership lasts one year, the real number is how many annual membership CPYSL is responsible for. We offer preregistration to families that have been in soccer within the previous year. While our bookkeeping is improving and will not know until August when our new system is in place, we usually offer about 160 families pre-registration. Every season about 30 new families join. That makes about 200 families in CPYSL per year. So soccer easily represents one-half of the FoCP possible votes. That said, soccer families rarely come to FoCP meeting because they have other things to do at night (Soccer families of the park unite! You have nothing to lose but your evenings with your kids). Kathleen has addressed how affordable CPYSL is (cheaper than the vet!). Clark park is a fantastic location for family soccer. With playgrounds for siblings and after soccer and the Farmer's Market and Greenline for the parents, Saturday mornings at Clark Park where a major draw for me as a parent. Th epoint of CPYSL is not to train soccer athletes it is for young people to have fun playing soccer how would fences boundaries help that? Jim Cummings On 6/14/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathleen, Thanks for the correct information about the soccer. I still honestly wish park events were free to all. I also honestly think the parents and children would be better served by moving slightly to the lovely field at the Recreation Center. These have a healthier athletic field, the bathrooms, storage, fence boundaries, etc. which would benefit the activity. I love intramural sports so don't get me wrong about this; these are my honest opinions and I've never been an enemy of the soccer program as I've heard the rumor machine has been pumping out for years. I met one of the soccer leaders recently. He started cracking up when I told him that I was the one. He was laughing and said something like, you're not so bad. Also, there is no a on the end of my name. I like the name, Reyom Nnelg, if you want to insult me in the future. Glenn - Original Message - From: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [UC] The FOCP complaint Dear Glenda, The maximum number of participants in the youth soccer program has been about 130 kids; given that we have many families with multiple kids enrolled, I would place the total number of families at about 90. That hardly constitutes the majority of the FOCP membership. I suspect that the rest of the members are residents of the community who, like myself, feel that FOCP contributes significantly to the maintenance, appearance and safety of the park. BTW, total cost for a child to register for soccer for one season is $32. Of that, the $10 FOCP membership fee, and the EPYSA fee of $7 (which provides insurance coverage) extend over two seasons, so the actual cost is less than $24/season. The cost goes down even further for multiple children in one family, and many, many players are subsidized by soccerships which we are able to offer through the generosity of the many local businesses and individuals who support the soccer program. Oh, just for comparison, the registration fee for the Fairmount Soccer program is $100 per child for one season. I don't know about the other 349 or so members of FOCP, but I'm not terribly embarrassed by Tony West's reporting the following: UCD Executive Director Lewis Wendell attended the meeting. He read a previously published statement. Fenton, he reiterated, is still on paid administrative leave pending the results of an internal investigation. In addition, he said, 'We are in discussions to resolve the matter.' It seems to be straightforward, unbiased reporting that one would expect from a professional journalist. Lunatic ranting, on the other hand, clearly comes from other sources. Kathleen (NOT, if you please Kathy) -Original Message- From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:01 AM To: Turner,Kathleen Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint - Original Message - From: Brian Siano [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [UC] The FOCP complaint Turner,Kathleen wrote: Brian, just out of curiousity, can you give us a rough count of the membership of FOCP? I'm wondering just how many of us are out there embarrassing the people of this community. Why certainly, Kathleen. The Friends of Clark Park includes nearly _three hundred and
RE: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE
Fashion commentary aside, I'm happy to report that the cat has been found and returned to its home. Yay! - Mike V. -Original Message- From: SKnight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:09 PM To: Ross Bender; Mike V. Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE If you are serious and not being dramatically obtuse, she is one of many celebrity designers today. Her celebrity comes from her being David Spade's sister. She designs handbags mostly, although I could be wrong about this point, and they are sold in Manhattan mostly. Sande - Original Message - From: Ross Bender To: Mike V. Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE Who's Kate Spade? On 6/11/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forwarded for a friend, because she's having trouble sending listmail. A picture of the cat in question can be found at http://flickr.com/photos/addien/281490969/ - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Jessica Haralson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi UC Listserv Just wanted to report a missing pet -- a gray, Russian-blue colored kitty wearing a flea collar who responds to the name Orchard. She was lost around 42nd and Spruce and should stay pretty close to the area. She escaped from 322 S 42nd around 4 PM and we are desperate to find her, so if you spot her please let me know! You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 956.433.9985. Thank you. -- --- -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Hi, Sharrieff, I have a couple of thoughts or questions about the points raised earlier by Doc Baldy, to which you responded below: In a message dated 6/14/07 7:45:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. As you certainly know, racial discrimination is a very serious accusation. In my business, real estate, one would best substantiate a claim by showing that several parties with the same qualifications, but different races, had been treated differently. Does anyone know of any qualified black job applicants who applied to UDC for openings and were turned down? If not, what kind of research and proof does your group expect to be able to present? 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. Doesn't it seem that the listserv is exerting more pressure than any other source, on this issue? Although our pressure seems mostly internal, except for its relationship to last Thursday's Glenn Bryan meeting. I noticed that accounts of that meeting made several references to the media being present - to a reporter or reporters, and I thought to a tv crew, though I don't have time to go back and read through every email again to find the accounts. I've been curious, ever since we received word of the events of that meeting, as to whether or not any media reporting was made of it afterwards? I didn't see any mention of reporting. No one posted a link to anything, though we have some pretty talented researchers on the list. Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? I think the pressure on the UCD may have arisen from 1) appropriate concern about whether or not the law and/or IRS requirements had been compromised; 2) the Councilwoman's strong reactions to her role in the student's accusations; 3) anti BID folks - Al Krigman, to be specific, since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with acti ons if they didn't look into the allegations; 4) the listserv itself rushing to judge the UCD, accusing the UCD of just about everything under the sun. All of these happenings created a volatile atmosphere where any action could cause even more chaos. Some parties seemed to react by eagerly jumping into the fray and trying to cause all-out war, while other parties seemed to try to avoid that. Both jumping in, and avoiding jumping in, are now being criticized. It's hard to imagine what might have been the right thing to do, when there seems to be criticism for every possibility. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. This is very sticky, no matter what you decide. I think that one of the complaints some neighbors have made to the Councilwoman is that they felt that the UCD did not include every single community member in planning efforts. And there have been complaints that UCD folks didn't come and listen to complaints about them. So, is it appropriate for this new group to actually put in writing an exclusion policy which community members have decried in the past? If UCD folks are excluded here, then how will you get them to participate when the Organizing Committee has questions and/or needs info from them, and again later, as your group moves forward? (For example, it seems that the Organizing Committee might need information, in advance, from the UCD about the Public Forum Topics, and might want UCD folks to attend Public Forums - especially the last one which you mention under the heading UC-Review as Moderate Final Public Forum for review of recommendations by panel representing UCD, Institutions and their Funders. Am I misreading, or would you want the groups named to be present for that meeting? I don't know of any UCD affiliates who might want to participate; I'm just wondering about the exclusion principle. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/2007 11:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations Please substantiate the allegation that I announced I was delighted with this situation. Also, substantiate the statement threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations. Note that this request and the answers or lack of same will go into my Lamond, pending libel suit evidence file. Alan Krigman KRF Management 211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6500 on-line bulletin board: _www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news) website: _www.iconworldwide.com/krf_ (http://www.iconworldwide.com/krf) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[UC] This is from Tony West (he's temporarily off-line)
This is from Tony West (he's temporarily off-line) I am switching both hardware and ISP at home, so I can't post to UC-list at this time. Could you be kind enough to post the following for me? [UC] Blackwell vs Penn List readers may find this story interesting. Go to _http://www.phillyrecord.com/_ () . -- Tony West ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Melani: 1) Racial Discrimination: Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. I really don't need to debate this issue on the listserv. All allegations will need proof according to the laws. 2) The answer is ..No, there were 300 signatures on a petition to save John Fenton's job and I am sure there are at least 1000 more out there to be had. Trust me, the community process will be newsworthy. 3) It is up to the planning committee to decide what seems reasonable regarding exclusions. I don't think this is something to debate on the listserv. 4) It will be in the best interest for UCD and the institutions to participate in the final forum, it will not stop the process in anyway and in the end, the truth will be known to all. My suggestion to everyone is to get involved in the public process, nothing will be decided on this listserv. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:53 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Hi, Sharrieff, I have a couple of thoughts or questions about the points raised earlier by Doc Baldy, to which you responded below: In a message dated 6/14/07 7:45:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1) Racial Discrimination has been alleged because of the disproportionate amount of whites in management versus blacks hired for the service side. Research and proof will need to be presented during the forum process. As you certainly know, racial discrimination is a very serious accusation. In my business, real estate, one would best substantiate a claim by showing that several parties with the same qualifications, but different races, had been treated differently. Does anyone know of any qualified black job applicants who applied to UDC for openings and were turned down? If not, what kind of research and proof does your group expect to be able to present? 2) The popular opinion is John became the fall guy for UCD after what many feel was a caving-in from media pressure by CCD and UCD without any real facts against John. Doesn't it seem that the listserv is exerting more pressure than any other source, on this issue? Although our pressure seems mostly internal, except for its relationship to last Thursday's Glenn Bryan meeting. I noticed that accounts of that meeting made several references to the media being present - to a reporter or reporters, and I thought to a tv crew, though I don't have time to go back and read through every email again to find the accounts. I've been curious, ever since we received word of the events of that meeting, as to whether or not any media reporting was made of it afterwards? I didn't see any mention of reporting. No one posted a link to anything, though we have some pretty talented researchers on the list. Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? I think the pressure on the UCD may have arisen from 1) appropriate concern about whether or not the law and/or IRS requirements had been compromised; 2) the Councilwoman's strong reactions to her role in the student's accusations; 3) anti BID folks - Al Krigman, to be specific, since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations; 4) the listserv itself rushing to judge the UCD, accusing the UCD of just about everything under the sun. All of these happenings created a volatile atmosphere where any action could cause even more chaos. Some parties seemed to react by eagerly jumping into the fray and trying to cause all-out war, while other parties seemed to try to avoid that. Both jumping in, and avoiding jumping in, are now being criticized. It's hard to imagine what might have been the right thing to do, when there seems to be criticism for every possibility. 3) We discussed what UCD-Affiliated would mean and suggested excluding employees and Board Members. Residents who donate money would be too loose of a definition. This is very sticky, no matter what you decide. I think that one of the complaints some neighbors have made to the Councilwoman is that they felt that the UCD did not include every single community member in planning efforts. And there have been complaints that UCD folks didn't come and listen to complaints about them. So, is it appropriate for this new group to actually put in writing an exclusion policy which community members have decried in the past? If UCD folks are excluded here, then how will you get them to participate when the Organizing Committee has questions and/or needs info from them, and again later, as your group moves forward? (For example, it seems that the Organizing Committee might need information, in advance, from the UCD about the Public Forum Topics,
[UC] An easier link to Tony's article in The Public Record
_Click here: The Philadelphia Public Record_ (http://www.phillyrecord.com/2007/0614/0-article-01.html) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[UC] A second press release from UCD
The UCD released a second press release on Friday. It seems not to have been picked up by the media. I became aware of it through another listserv member, and I've received an OK to put it on the list: June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. Plus, here is the original release, for anyone still looking for a copy: The University City District, a special services non-profit, is conducting an internal investigation to ascertain the accuracy of a recent media report stating that a staff member used organization resources to assist in setting up for a political event. The staff member has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the investigation. The UCD leadership is reviewing the matter and will determine an appropriate course of action once all the facts are known. - Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[UC] Re: Soccer and FoCP (was The FOCP complaint)
Thanks for the further clarification about the actual numbers. Th epoint of CPYSL is not to train soccer athletes it is for young people to have fun playing soccer how would fences boundaries help that? It's a safety issue. Little kids chasing soccer balls might be safer behind Rec. Center fences. I'd be happy to discuss the issues around the differences between Rec centers and parks. Rec centers are designed for these organized leagues and parks generally are not. I never wanted to make a big issue about the fee required league in the park. I don't know how many folks are aware that at the beginning of youth soccer, the FOCP attempted to get other stakeholders engaged in appropriate activities removed from the park. The pick-up immigrant centered soccer, dog culture, Woodland Ave Reunion, Clark Park festivals were all targeted for action or removal because of potential conflict with what was the new fee required soccer. Did you know that youth soccer should be required under city rules to have a porto-pottie? Did you know that according to FOCP demands, you need 3-5 potties based on your numbers? Did you know that according to FOCP demands, there are no more than two special events allowed in the park per month, yet you have 9 consecutive weeks of permits during 2 peak park seasons. More of the soccer families need to be informed about the demands of the FOCP upon outside stakeholders. I think they would think about some of these issues had they known the truth. Please, please understand I'm not trying to cause trouble for soccer. I'm just telling the truth. Sincerely, Glenn - Original Message - From: Jim Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Soccer and FoCP (was The FOCP complaint) I was the registrar for soccer for CPYSL (Clark Park Youth Soccer League) and have a better feeling for the numbers than most. While the soccer program usually have 130-160 young people in a season and there are about 100 unique families, all the families are family members which means that they get two votes. Since there are two soccer seasons in a year and FoCP membership lasts one year, the real number is how many annual membership CPYSL is responsible for. We offer preregistration to families that have been in soccer within the previous year. While our bookkeeping is improving and will not know until August when our new system is in place, we usually offer about 160 families pre-registration. Every season about 30 new families join. That makes about 200 families in CPYSL per year. So soccer easily represents one-half of the FoCP possible votes. That said, soccer families rarely come to FoCP meeting because they have other things to do at night (Soccer families of the park unite! You have nothing to lose but your evenings with your kids). Kathleen has addressed how affordable CPYSL is (cheaper than the vet!). Clark park is a fantastic location for family soccer. With playgrounds for siblings and after soccer and the Farmer's Market and Greenline for the parents, Saturday mornings at Clark Park where a major draw for me as a parent. Th epoint of CPYSL is not to train soccer athletes it is for young people to have fun playing soccer how would fences boundaries help that? Jim Cummings On 6/14/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kathleen, Thanks for the correct information about the soccer. I still honestly wish park events were free to all. I also honestly think the parents and children would be better served by moving slightly to the lovely field at the Recreation Center. These have a healthier athletic field, the bathrooms, storage, fence boundaries, etc. which would benefit the activity. I love intramural sports so don't get me wrong about this; these are my honest opinions and I've never been an enemy of the soccer program as I've heard the rumor machine has been pumping out for years. I met one of the soccer leaders recently. He started cracking up when I told him that I was the one. He was laughing and said something like, you're not so bad. Also, there is no a on the end of my name. I like the name, Reyom Nnelg, if you want to insult me in the future. Glenn - Original Message - From: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:58 AM Subject: RE: [UC] The FOCP complaint Dear Glenda, The maximum number of participants in the youth soccer program has been about 130 kids; given that we have many families with multiple kids enrolled, I would place the total number of families at about 90. That hardly constitutes the majority of the FOCP membership. I suspect that the rest of the members are residents of the community who, like myself, feel that FOCP contributes significantly to the maintenance, appearance and safety of the
[UC] An easier link to Tony in The Public Record : correcting Campion quotes
I liked being referred to as Liz Campion, a prominent University City real-estate agent, but my statement was not properly recorded and the conclusion does not accurately reflect the outcome that I desire. The accurate quotes have been placed in Italics. I suspect universities approach their neighborhoods in a top-down manner that ignores local leadership. I believe that Councilwoman Blackwell for a long time has supported the 'trickle-down' theory of Penn investment. It was not reported, but I also said, This can be wise. If a City grant can jump-start matching dollars from institutions and neighbors, and 2-3 dollars hits the local economy for every tax dollar spent, than the neighborhood wins. I said, ... if Penn is importing people who are not from the neighborhood and trampling on the wishes of the neighborhood... But MY ending was, it is not serving or representing the neighborhood. And if this is being communicated to the Councilwoman by unhappy voters, than I understand why she might shift to trickle-up economics. I define Trickle up economics as helping more needy constituents and hoping their use of dollars will lead to rippling improvements. I've heard people call her statements Threats. I saw them as an attempt to satisfy constituents. If PENN or UCD continues to hand pick the Community representatives who sit on their boards, and if the neighborhood is fairly unanimous against this and other points of dissatisfaction, (such as the John Fenton suspension), than it begins to make sense to deliver money directly to 52nd Street or 64th Street and not flow it through UCD. My personal belief is that a well moderated UCD has the theoretical potential to do more good than the disconnected or redundant attempts of disconnected Community Associations. But, in the Thursday meeting, it was clear that many community leaders are not happy. I know that I do not like being ignored, patronized or discriminated against. Many of our neighbors said this is how they feel. I think some of our neighbors made a good case for changes that need to take place. We all deserve to feel respected and included in decisions about the people and services being 'offered' to the community by UCD and PENN. I did NOT say that I am ...supporting Blackwell's attempt to rein in UCD. I believe our politicians, (including Councilwoman Blackwell, a politician I like and respect), answer to us, the voters. I also believe UCD should answer to the community's that it is purporting to serve. What I support is the Councilwoman helping our neighbors define goals and ways (possibly including UCD) to better implement them. To be fair to Tony, our conversation was a hasty, and impromptu one. We bumped into each other on 43rd Street. I am amazed at how much, and how accurately he remembered so much of what was said. Thanks for letting me clarify things. Liz On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:25:04 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Click here: The Philadelphia Public Record
Re: [UC] A second press release from UCD
Where did you get this press release from on Friday? Seems like Tony picked it up from Mr Wendell at the Thursday meeting according to his... Why did a press release go to a listserv member rather than to the press? Who gave the OK to put it on the list? Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [UC] A second press release from UCD The UCD released a second press release on Friday. It seems not to have been picked up by the media. I became aware of it through another listserv member, and I've received an OK to put it on the list: June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. Plus, here is the original release, for anyone still looking for a copy: The University City District, a special services non-profit, is conducting an internal investigation to ascertain the accuracy of a recent media report stating that a staff member used organization resources to assist in setting up for a political event. The staff member has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the investigation. The UCD leadership is reviewing the matter and will determine an appropriate course of action once all the facts are known. - Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM
Re: [UC] A second press release from UCD
Melani, If UCD has a page on their web site called, University City District News, why would they not post an official press release on it? You and some unidentified listserv character have it. But wait Melani, you refused to answer any questions about this UCD matter. Now, you have the previously unknown, June 8, press release. You and UCD are getting me very confused and a bit suspicious. Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: [UC] A second press release from UCD The UCD released a second press release on Friday. It seems not to have been picked up by the media. I became aware of it through another listserv member, and I've received an OK to put it on the list: June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. Plus, here is the original release, for anyone still looking for a copy: The University City District, a special services non-profit, is conducting an internal investigation to ascertain the accuracy of a recent media report stating that a staff member used organization resources to assist in setting up for a political event. The staff member has been placed on paid administrative leave pending the investigation. The UCD leadership is reviewing the matter and will determine an appropriate course of action once all the facts are known. - Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM
[UC] Siding contractor?
Hi all, I think participated on this list years ago, and am happy now to have remembered again that it exists! I'm looking for some siding work on my bays of my victorian. Ideally I'd like to find someone to replace the original cedar shingles and possibly aluminum glad the unshingled areas, depending on the condition of what's underneath the asphalt siding that someone put up years ago. Anyone have any contractors to recommend for such work? Many thanks, Michael You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] The investigation has been completed
It appears the investigation has been completed. Mr. Fenton is bad, bad, bad. Mr. Fenton refuses to talk and there are no other important issues. Our elected representative is a liar, and Mr. Fenton was not prohibited from speaking. Despite all the calls, and probably flowers and candy, from those good good folks at UCD; that mean mean bad man won't talk for probably, 5 months and 1 week. Melani, The Public Record, and some unidentified listserv asshole have the official UCD press release. UCD forgot to put it on its updated web site or release it to anyone else. (What is the new marketing initiative called? Oh hell, it's not worth lookin' up the UCD shit again.) I think the investigation is very complete. Just another liar, Glenn
Re: [UC] A second press release from UCD
On 6/14/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Melani, But wait Melani, you refused to answer any questions about this UCD matter. Now, you have the previously unknown, June 8, press release. You and UCD are getting me very confused and a bit suspicious. A *bit* suspicious? -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
[UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
Tony's article was almost accurate, and he quoted Liz and Melani, but he neglected to even mention the MOST IMPORTANT local stakeholder, namely ME. I have been typing frantically to this list ever since the proverbial granola hit the fan, questioning facts, challenging evidence, pointing out the evildoers, spouting wild but articulate theories about what exactly happened, offering my years and years' worth of experience in this neighborhood, and what do I get for all my efforts to sincerely serve my beloved University City Village??? EXACTLY NOTHING, that's what!! Or as Hegel put it GAR NICHTS!! What the heck is wrong with Tony? Can't he see the facts that are, or should be, directly under his eyes -- namely, the importance of ME? Is he a dumb jerk or simply misled, or fundamentally evil, or what??? Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. My PROCESS will be clear, transparent, transcendent and NOT UP FOR GRABS. Absolutely ANYBODY is welcome to attend -- whores, wankers, lunatics, druggies -- but PUH-LEAZE, no damn Yuppies. On the other hand I want to be inclusive, so Yuppies are welcome to attend IF THEY ARE READY TO FACE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE and risk getting a pizza in the face. Due to schedule conflicts, I may or may not be attending the PROCESS, but the media will be there, and I know from past experience that they will distort the hell out of this event and not even mention ME, and the IMPORTANCE of ME. Sincerely, ME -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
Re: [UC] Siding contractor?
Check out the BEAUTIFUL work being completed at 4607 Springfield. The fish scale siding on the bay is stunning, and the fresh cut Cedar smells fabulous to me and not so fabulous to annoying insects. The owner, Ed, is as pleased as punch and seems happy to reward good and talented work by passing along names and contact info. Ed is not on the list, so I will blind copy him with your contact address. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meanwhile, I am headed back to work, suffering from Roof Envy. RUSSELL ROOFING did the roof, and there signs are still up. I think the painting is being done by FINE PAINTERS. But I can not remember the names of the wood workers who did the siding. All the contractors were as courteous, clean and considerate as such huge work permits. And I love living next to such beautiful improvements. Best! Liz On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:25:55 -0400 Michael Stauffer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi all, I think participated on this list years ago, and am happy now to have remembered again that it exists! I'm looking for some siding work on my bays of my victorian. Ideally I'd like to find someone to replace the original cedar shingles and possibly aluminum glad the unshingled areas, depending on the condition of what's underneath the asphalt siding that someone put up years ago. Anyone have any contractors to recommend for such work? Many thanks, Michael You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. Elizabeth Campion Cell Phone: 215-880-2930 215-546-0550 Main, -546-9871 fax, Desk + VM: 215-790-5653 PRUDENTIAL, FOX ROACH REALTORS, LLC Please read Consumer Notice enjoy HOME PILOT tools at www.PruFoxRoach.com You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] A second press release from UCD
In a message dated 6/14/07 2:03:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where did you get this press release from on Friday? Seems like Tony picked it up from Mr Wendell at the Thursday meeting according to his... Why did a press release go to a listserv member rather than to the press? Who gave the OK to put it on the list? Glenn his...? According to his what, Glenn? I didn't get it on Friday. I understand that it was released on Friday to the media, but apparently has not been picked up. Tony is part of the media, so it isn't odd that he received it, but since it's dated Friday, he probably didn't get it Thursday at the meeting. Another list member shared it with me over the weekend, and might have spoken up when you asked, but within less than an hour of your question, you moved to: In a message dated 6/14/07 2:46:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Melani, The Public Record, and some unidentified listserv asshole have the official UCD press release. so s/he's probably not going to identify him/herself now. Anyway, the list has been asking if there's an update. I heard about an update and asked if I could post it to the list. Now that you have it, Glenn, you are paraphrasing wildly, demanding a time line, and criticizing me and Tony for providing the information. None of that surprises me, but I just wanted to be sure that you've noticed the impact of your posts. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
In a message dated 6/14/2007 3:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. If you really were the important person -- the veritable vox populi -- you seem to think you are, you'd know that the right, the traditional, the appropriate, the quintessential, nay the ONLY place to begin the PROCESS is behind Little Nell. And, it should go without saying but I'll obviously have to say it (in words of one syllable or less so everyone can understand without my having to repeat it more than a dozen times -- not counting the emails from the enlightened many who agree and the paltry misguided few who disagree with or choose to hide their insecurity by mocking or ascribing dark motives or thoughts to innocent little OLD me), the PROCESS would be KICKED OFF with an alternate-fuel-burning torchlight parade. Say, from behind Little Nell to the site of the spot where Penn showed the true spirit of its partnership with the community by filling the bio pond with dredgings from Mill Creek so they could build some kind of architectural horror rivaled only by that hideous structure at 40th Chestnut for use as a lab. (Let's see, did I miss alluding to anyone?) Al Krigman Left of Richard Nixon but right of Spiro Agnew (or is it the other way 'round?) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[UC] Operation Safer Streets - was Re: [UC] Malcolm X Park Summer Jazz Heritage
In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A community meeting about crime and public safety in the 18th police district tonight at White Rock Baptist Church 5240 Chestnut Street from 6:00-7:00pm. You can see a flier with more information here: _http://malcolmxpark.org/?p=148_ (http://malcolmxpark.org/?p=148) Thanks Andrew, Thought everyone knew about the City of Philadelphia's Operation Safer Streets Police Districts Community Meetings. Thursday, June 14, 2007: 6:00 PM Community Meeting in 18th Police District White Rock Baptist Church, 5240 Chestnut St. Saturday, June 16, 2007: 8:00 AM Community Meeting in 16th Police District Second Mt. Zion, 38th Parrish St. Surprised the Hood's Good Shepherd UCD did not prominently post on their website such important public safety info. Our City invests significant human capital into such efforts and UCD is remiss in failing to trumpet such a positive effort to its constituency. Ciao, Craig ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
Terribly sorry. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: Ross Bender [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:14 PM To: Mike V. Subject: Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS PUBLICLY TO THE LIST SO THAT ALL CAN UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ME!! Sincerely, Me On 6/14/07, Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well done. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:07 PM To: University City List Subject: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record Tony's article was almost accurate, and he quoted Liz and Melani, but he neglected to even mention the MOST IMPORTANT local stakeholder, namely ME. I have been typing frantically to this list ever since the proverbial granola hit the fan, questioning facts, challenging evidence, pointing out the evildoers, spouting wild but articulate theories about what exactly happened, offering my years and years' worth of experience in this neighborhood, and what do I get for all my efforts to sincerely serve my beloved University City Village??? EXACTLY NOTHING, that's what!! Or as Hegel put it GAR NICHTS!! What the heck is wrong with Tony? Can't he see the facts that are, or should be, directly under his eyes -- namely, the importance of ME? Is he a dumb jerk or simply misled, or fundamentally evil, or what??? Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. My PROCESS will be clear, transparent, transcendent and NOT UP FOR GRABS. Absolutely ANYBODY is welcome to attend -- whores, wankers, lunatics, druggies -- but PUH-LEAZE, no damn Yuppies. On the other hand I want to be inclusive, so Yuppies are welcome to attend IF THEY ARE READY TO FACE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE and risk getting a pizza in the face. Due to schedule conflicts, I may or may not be attending the PROCESS, but the media will be there, and I know from past experience that they will distort the hell out of this event and not even mention ME, and the IMPORTANCE of ME. Sincerely, ME -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Siding contractor?
I was going to make the same suggestion. Liz is giving you great information here. Check out this house! Also, Russell Roofing has a large ad in this week's UC Review with a picture of Ed in front of his house. Neat idea for an ad! Melani Lamond In a message dated 6/14/07 3:16:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Check out the BEAUTIFUL work being completed at 4607 Springfield. The fish scale siding on the bay is stunning, and the fresh cut Cedar smells fabulous to me and not so fabulous to annoying insects. The owner, Ed, is as pleased as punch and seems happy to reward good and talented work by passing along names and contact info. Ed is not on the list, so I will blind copy him with your contact address. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meanwhile, I am headed back to work, suffering from Roof Envy. RUSSELL ROOFING did the roof, and there signs are still up. I think the painting is being done by FINE PAINTERS. But I can not remember the names of the wood workers who did the siding. All the contractors were as courteous, clean and considerate as such huge work permits. And I love living next to such beautiful improvements. Best! Liz Melani Lamond, Associate Broker Urban Bye, Realtor 3529 Lancaster Ave. Philadelphia, PA 19104 cell phone 215-356-7266 office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113 office fax 215-222-1101 ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/2007 3:38:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat What I think and keep in my own thoughts is my own business. The thought police didn;t get here in 1984 and haven't arrived, yet. What I say or write is public. You said that I announced that I was delighted about something. Where did I announce this? Stop mincincing around. You can either show it or you're making it up. And making something up is what's called lying and makes the person who does it a liar. Show it and I'll certainly post a humble apology saying that what you said I announced was true and I was mistaken in my claim that you were not just being nasty, but mendacious, too. Al Krigman ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
You didn't mention roosters. Regards, John Ellingsworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/2007 3:08:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. If you really were the important person -- the veritable vox populi -- you seem to think you are, you'd know that the right, the traditional, the appropriate, the quintessential, nay the ONLY place to begin the PROCESS is behind Little Nell. And, it should go without saying but I'll obviously have to say it (in words of one syllable or less so everyone can understand without my having to repeat it more than a dozen times -- not counting the emails from the enlightened many who agree and the paltry misguided few who disagree with or choose to hide their insecurity by mocking or ascribing dark motives or thoughts to innocent little OLD me), the PROCESS would be KICKED OFF with an alternate-fuel-burning torchlight parade. Say, from behind Little Nell to the site of the spot where Penn showed the true spirit of its partnership with the community by filling the bio pond with dredgings from Mill Creek so they could build some kind of architectural horror rivaled only by that hideous structure at 40th Chestnut for use as a lab. (Let's see, did I miss alluding to anyone?) Al Krigman Left of Richard Nixon but right of Spiro Agnew (or is it the other way 'round?) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] This is from Tony West (he's temporarily off-line)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** *This is from Tony West (he's temporarily off-line)* *I am switching both hardware and ISP at home, so I can't post to UC-list at this time. Could you be kind enough to post the following for me?* [UC] Blackwell vs Penn List readers may find this story interesting. Go to http://www.phillyrecord.com/. -- Tony West wait, al, did you receive the above message by email? (?) wading through, slowly... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] A second press release from UCD
None of that surprises me, but I just wanted to be sure that you've noticed the impact of your posts. Melani Lamond Mel, Do you think the poor UCD is engaged in the big cover-up because they're afraid of my posts? Are you afraid to disclose information honestly because of me? If I have that effect, I need to ask myself some serious questions. Melani, I'm sorry. Tell Lewis that I'm sorry too. If Lewis or you are excited to disclose the whole truth and nothing but the truth, I promise to behave myself and will not ask a bunch of lunatic questions. A secret press release is just very very new to me, and I'm not that all together, as you've read about on the list. Thanks so much for your pleasant and extremely informative reply, Always yours, Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [UC] A second press release from UCD In a message dated 6/14/07 2:03:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where did you get this press release from on Friday? Seems like Tony picked it up from Mr Wendell at the Thursday meeting according to his... Why did a press release go to a listserv member rather than to the press? Who gave the OK to put it on the list? Glenn his...? According to his what, Glenn? I didn't get it on Friday. I understand that it was released on Friday to the media, but apparently has not been picked up. Tony is part of the media, so it isn't odd that he received it, but since it's dated Friday, he probably didn't get it Thursday at the meeting. Another list member shared it with me over the weekend, and might have spoken up when you asked, but within less than an hour of your question, you moved to: In a message dated 6/14/07 2:46:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Melani, The Public Record, and some unidentified listserv asshole have the official UCD press release. so s/he's probably not going to identify him/herself now. Anyway, the list has been asking if there's an update. I heard about an update and asked if I could post it to the list. Now that you have it, Glenn, you are paraphrasing wildly, demanding a time line, and criticizing me and Tony for providing the information. None of that surprises me, but I just wanted to be sure that you've noticed the impact of your posts. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM
Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
I don't think we've been paying enough attention to you, Rossman. You were a good fellow this time around. Not sending 100 one line e-mails was a more effective call. I'm sending our buddy, Cassidy, over with a big hug and Shirley Temple. You are a very important person to me. I care, Glenn - Original Message - From: Ross Bender To: University City List Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record Tony's article was almost accurate, and he quoted Liz and Melani, but he neglected to even mention the MOST IMPORTANT local stakeholder, namely ME. I have been typing frantically to this list ever since the proverbial granola hit the fan, questioning facts, challenging evidence, pointing out the evildoers, spouting wild but articulate theories about what exactly happened, offering my years and years' worth of experience in this neighborhood, and what do I get for all my efforts to sincerely serve my beloved University City Village??? EXACTLY NOTHING, that's what!! Or as Hegel put it GAR NICHTS!! What the heck is wrong with Tony? Can't he see the facts that are, or should be, directly under his eyes -- namely, the importance of ME? Is he a dumb jerk or simply misled, or fundamentally evil, or what??? Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. My PROCESS will be clear, transparent, transcendent and NOT UP FOR GRABS. Absolutely ANYBODY is welcome to attend -- whores, wankers, lunatics, druggies -- but PUH-LEAZE, no damn Yuppies. On the other hand I want to be inclusive, so Yuppies are welcome to attend IF THEY ARE READY TO FACE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE and risk getting a pizza in the face. Due to schedule conflicts, I may or may not be attending the PROCESS, but the media will be there, and I know from past experience that they will distort the hell out of this event and not even mention ME, and the IMPORTANCE of ME. Sincerely, ME -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? this week's ucity review mentioned the thursday meeting in a small column that begins at the bottom of the front page: [manually re-typing this, 'scuse the typos]: From the Editor: Last Thursday, June 7th, the University of Pennsylvania Office of City and Community Relations held the last First Thursday Meeting of the season at the 40th Street branch of the Free Library. The major topic of the meeting scheduled was to be on Healthy in Philadelphia, but instead took quite a different course. The meeting rapidly turned into a public airing of the dissatisfaction Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell -- who spoke at the meeting -- and much of the community represented at the meeting felt concerning the alledged mismanagement of a variety of issues by the University City District and the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, the story that was scheduled to run was not available at press time and will be published in next week's 6/20/07 University City Review. Also, much has been circulated over the internet, and even by word of mouth about the University City Review hosting or moderating a public forum on these issues. While it is true that we offered our services at the meeting in this regard, as an objective party, it is also true that we will only participate once all responsible parties have come together in agreement about the purpose, structure, ground rules and venue of such a meeting. --RC - - - - - - - ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Reality check
It *is* hard to believe yet, as he always says Real negotiations about matters of importance never take place on an unmoderated listserve. (sic) I don't know how he finds time to sleep! Frank On Jun 14, 2007, at 09:04 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This, I believe, is why Tony likes face-to-face meetings instead of email or listserv correspondence. That's mind boggling. As much time as he spends posting to the list, he must spend the rest of his waking hours engaging in face to face meetings so he can fast talk people. Hard to believe. Paul -Original Message- From: Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 5:52 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check Not cheap at all. I'm replying to this: All this is rapidly evolving even as we tap, of course. Real negotiations about matters of importance never take place on an unmoderated listserv. He posed it as a statement which is why I responded the way I did. That is Tony's style: Broad statements of fact which are, in reality, his opinions. Notice the word never in the second sentence. Really? And important. Important to whom? And who said these particular negotiations were happening here in the first place? No one did. It's a red herring. This, I believe, is why Tony likes face-to-face meetings instead of email or listserv correspondence. In person people don't have time to react to this kind of nonsense before the next ridiculous sentence is uttered. In an email people have time to compose an answer based on what was actually said instead of a fleeting impression. Frank On Jun 13, 2007, at 01:50 PM, Brian Siano wrote: Frank wrote: First of all, that is one of the reasons I work for myself. Secondly, if you think this never happens, you are more naive than you let on. Do you honestly believe everything a CEO says publicly about an employee's departure is true? Please say you don't. Why should this situation be any different? According to Jannie Blackwell, one of the conditions of Fenton's severance package is that he not talk about it, Perhaps *that's* why he hasn't said anything. How do you know it's evolving and not over? You're implying you know something the rest of us do not. Do you? So we get the cheapest of the debating tactics: Are you _sure_? Do you really _know_? How do you _really know_? Couldn't you be _wrong_? Jesus, you sound like a freshman who's just read the _Republic_ for the first time. All we know is this: Blackwell says that Fenton was offered a severance package (Could be true or not.). UCD says they're still investigating the issue (Investigating.is a broad term: they might've made their minds up by now, but haven't acted on anything, and they could claim to be investigating.) We can speculate all we want about these two different claims. But there has been no _official_ word that John Fenton has been fired, asked to resign, resigned, or been exonerated. As far as the facts are known right now, Fenton is still an employee of UCD. As far as I can tell, this is what Tony's been saying, and somehow many people here fail to grasp this. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. = AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
RE: [UC] A second press release from UCD
The reason that you didn't get the press release about the three new baby tigers at the Philadelphia Zoo is not because Pete Hoskins and the rest of the board are hiding information from you, it's because you're not a member of the PRESS. By definition PRESS releases go to the PRESS where they pile up on the floor next to the fax machine. UCD's press release made it to the list a lot faster than any other press release from any west philly entity I can think of, which is hardly secret. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn A secret press release is just very very new to me, and I'm not that all together, as you've read about on the list.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/07 3:54:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stop mincincing around. You can either show it or you're making it up. And making something up is what's called lying and makes the person who does it a liar. Show it and I'll certainly post a humble apology saying that what you said I announced was true and I was mistaken in my claim that you were not just being nasty, but mendacious, too. Al Krigman Dear Krigman, Al I hereby offer all apologies due. You're right, I'm sure: I must have made it up! How else could I have misunderstood your many UCD and Wendell Lewis posts so badly? Or was it Wendell Mellman? Mellman Lewis? Mellman Wendell? I do know that it wasn't Lewis Lewis. I don't know how you keep it all straight. Do you think it's information overload related to my old age? Like Bender, who really lost it earlier today in his ME post? I really will have to pay more attention to detail when I read future emails from you. There must be a level of subtlety which went right over my head when you wrote! Or maybe it was Glenn, or Sharrieff, or even maybe Ross, who seemed so utterly gleeful about this current situation, and you just all run together when I read. Kyle, or Mike V. Now, they're REALLY anti-UCD/BID, right? Anyway, your point is well taken - for whatever reason, I must have strayed from the actual facts. Everybody else on this list is so factual and careful about what they write; I don't know what I was thinking by second guessing you. I know you declared the BID dead, but you must have sent that out as a sympathy message, and here I misinterpreted it as gloating. With the humblest of apologies, Lamond, Melani ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
You know what is odd to me. Melani posted a second press, fairly important, release dated June 8. June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. If UCD released this press release June 8, why would the University City Review refuse to publish it in the editor's note in the June 13 issue? This seems very odd indeed. I feel bad that with the tremendous effort made by UCD to get out this press release, even the University City Review refused to publish the information in the editor's note. It's such a short sweet press release. Let's be thankful Melani got it. Glenn - Original Message - From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? this week's ucity review mentioned the thursday meeting in a small column that begins at the bottom of the front page: [manually re-typing this, 'scuse the typos]: From the Editor: Last Thursday, June 7th, the University of Pennsylvania Office of City and Community Relations held the last First Thursday Meeting of the season at the 40th Street branch of the Free Library. The major topic of the meeting scheduled was to be on Healthy in Philadelphia, but instead took quite a different course. The meeting rapidly turned into a public airing of the dissatisfaction Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell -- who spoke at the meeting -- and much of the community represented at the meeting felt concerning the alledged mismanagement of a variety of issues by the University City District and the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, the story that was scheduled to run was not available at press time and will be published in next week's 6/20/07 University City Review. Also, much has been circulated over the internet, and even by word of mouth about the University City Review hosting or moderating a public forum on these issues. While it is true that we offered our services at the meeting in this regard, as an objective party, it is also true that we will only participate once all responsible parties have come together in agreement about the purpose, structure, ground rules and venue of such a meeting. --RC - - - - - - - ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
in the letter from the editor it says the article which was scheduled to run was not available at press time -- which could mean that in light of a new press release, the article was being rewritten. or it could mean something else. you could call the UC review and ask them. kc -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Glenn Sent: Thu 6/14/2007 5:46 PM To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN; University City List Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 You know what is odd to me. Melani posted a second press, fairly important, release dated June 8. June 8, 2007 University City District has made numerous documented attempts to contact John Fenton asking him to respond to the matter under investigation. Our calls and letters have gone unanswered. He still remains on paid administrative leave. If UCD released this press release June 8, why would the University City Review refuse to publish it in the editor's note in the June 13 issue? This seems very odd indeed. I feel bad that with the tremendous effort made by UCD to get out this press release, even the University City Review refused to publish the information in the editor's note. It's such a short sweet press release. Let's be thankful Melani got it. Glenn - Original Message - From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did the media do anything at all, or should we assume that they didn't find it newsworthy? this week's ucity review mentioned the thursday meeting in a small column that begins at the bottom of the front page: [manually re-typing this, 'scuse the typos]: From the Editor: Last Thursday, June 7th, the University of Pennsylvania Office of City and Community Relations held the last First Thursday Meeting of the season at the 40th Street branch of the Free Library. The major topic of the meeting scheduled was to be on Healthy in Philadelphia, but instead took quite a different course. The meeting rapidly turned into a public airing of the dissatisfaction Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell -- who spoke at the meeting -- and much of the community represented at the meeting felt concerning the alledged mismanagement of a variety of issues by the University City District and the University of Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, the story that was scheduled to run was not available at press time and will be published in next week's 6/20/07 University City Review. Also, much has been circulated over the internet, and even by word of mouth about the University City Review hosting or moderating a public forum on these issues. While it is true that we offered our services at the meeting in this regard, as an objective party, it is also true that we will only participate once all responsible parties have come together in agreement about the purpose, structure, ground rules and venue of such a meeting. --RC - - - - - - - ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
Get stuffed, chucklehead. On 6/14/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think we've been paying enough attention to you, Rossman. You were a good fellow this time around. Not sending 100 one line e-mails was a more effective call. I'm sending our buddy, Cassidy, over with a big hug and Shirley Temple. You are a very important person to me. I care, Glenn - Original Message - *From:* Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM *Subject:* [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record Tony's article was almost accurate, and he quoted Liz and Melani, but he neglected to even mention the MOST IMPORTANT local stakeholder, namely ME. I have been typing frantically to this list ever since the proverbial granola hit the fan, questioning facts, challenging evidence, pointing out the evildoers, spouting wild but articulate theories about what exactly happened, offering my years and years' worth of experience in this neighborhood, and what do I get for all my efforts to sincerely serve my beloved University City Village??? EXACTLY NOTHING, that's what!! Or as Hegel put it GAR NICHTS!! What the heck is wrong with Tony? Can't he see the facts that are, or should be, directly under his eyes -- namely, the importance of ME? Is he a dumb jerk or simply misled, or fundamentally evil, or what??? Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. My PROCESS will be clear, transparent, transcendent and NOT UP FOR GRABS. Absolutely ANYBODY is welcome to attend -- whores, wankers, lunatics, druggies -- but PUH-LEAZE, no damn Yuppies. On the other hand I want to be inclusive, so Yuppies are welcome to attend IF THEY ARE READY TO FACE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE and risk getting a pizza in the face. Due to schedule conflicts, I may or may not be attending the PROCESS, but the media will be there, and I know from past experience that they will distort the hell out of this event and not even mention ME, and the IMPORTANCE of ME. Sincerely, ME -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
In a message dated 6/14/2007 5:41:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MLamond writes: I hereby offer all apologies due. I accept your apology and know you'll be more careful in the future. I know you declared the BID dead, but you must have sent that out as a sympathy message, and here I misinterpreted it as gloating. Yes, I did state my conviction that the BID was dead. And I expressed satisfaction that the points I've been making about it being an ill-conceived plan are now broadly recognized. But delighted? Hardly. It's a personal defeat for those who genuinely believed it was a good idea, despite my fundamental disagreement with them, and I regret any emotional or career pain it has caused anyone. I can only hope that they learn something from the experience about transparency and the spirit of compromise. There's no reason -- as I stated at the onset of the HD debate and again when this all began -- that these things have to be winner-take-all propositions. I am, however, delighted to see by your apology that you now recognize the problem a person gets into when he or she presumes to read something into what somebody else says. It's so easy to misinterpret another's motivations based on what you want to believe a person meant rather than taking whatever was said -- or, better, written -- at face value. Well, you seemed to have learned a lesson from this and I won't pursue it any further. And I've learned that you can be gracious in admitting your mistakes. Your friend and neighbor Al Krigman ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
On 6/14/07, Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the letter from the editor it says the article which was scheduled to run was not available at press time -- which could mean that in light of a new press release, the article was being rewritten. or it could mean something else. you could call the UC review and ask them. Well personally *I* think it means something else. But I tried calling the UC Review and for some reason they keep hanging up on me. Which makes me a bit suspicious. Probably they too have something to hide. -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
[UC] REALITY CHECK CHECK CHECK
The sushi community DEMANDS a new radioactive sushi bar in Clark Park! -- Ross Bender http://rossbender.org
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Kyle Cassidy wrote: in the letter from the editor it says the article which was scheduled to run was not available at press time -- which could mean that in light of a new press release, the article was being rewritten. or it could mean something else. you could call the UC review and ask them. the whole thing's odd... why doesn't either of the press releases appear on ucd's website along with all of its other press releases? how did al receive a message from tony when tony was unable to email uclist? will liz write a clarifying letter to the editor of philly record to explain publicly how she was (mis)quoted in tony's article? why did melani need permission to post the second press release when it was already quoted verbatim in tony's article, posted one hour previously by al? will ross finally get the notice he deserves the next time he writes horrible horrible things about penn without telling us that he's employed by penn? will john fenton ever be able to speak for himself? is he toast? will the other ucd employees who helped him that day be contacted by ucd? are they toast? which local newspaper will give us the Real story? how will we know it's true? when will the next round of First Thursday Meetings resume? did al and melani actually apologize to one another today? etc. etc. I officially declare june 14 as BIZZARO DAY on uclist! .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Reality check
A gag order implies a judge or some other orderer, doesn't it? Wouldn't we be talking more about a confidentiality agreement here, Karen? By its nature, an agreement is a two-way contract. And although I'm no lawyer, I'd imagine either side would be prevented from publishing outright falsehoods about the case at hand, as people are implying UCD is doing. -- Tony West - Original Message - From: KAREN ALLEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check I thought John Fenton was under a gag order. If that's the case, he's not in a position to refute anything. You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
[UC] Test message
Sorry to do this, but I;m helping Tony get set upo here., Bear with ther technical flutzes.
Re: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record
What¹s THIS!? Whatever happened to, ³Get SHACKED!² :) On 6/14/07 6:01 PM, Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Get stuffed, chucklehead. On 6/14/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think we've been paying enough attention to you, Rossman. You were a good fellow this time around. Not sending 100 one line e-mails was a more effective call. I'm sending our buddy, Cassidy, over with a big hug and Shirley Temple. You are a very important person to me. I care, Glenn - Original Message - From: Ross Bender mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: University City List mailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [UC] Correcting Tony's Article in the Philadelphia Record Tony's article was almost accurate, and he quoted Liz and Melani, but he neglected to even mention the MOST IMPORTANT local stakeholder, namely ME. I have been typing frantically to this list ever since the proverbial granola hit the fan, questioning facts, challenging evidence, pointing out the evildoers, spouting wild but articulate theories about what exactly happened, offering my years and years' worth of experience in this neighborhood, and what do I get for all my efforts to sincerely serve my beloved University City Village??? EXACTLY NOTHING, that's what!! Or as Hegel put it GAR NICHTS!! What the heck is wrong with Tony? Can't he see the facts that are, or should be, directly under his eyes -- namely, the importance of ME? Is he a dumb jerk or simply misled, or fundamentally evil, or what??? Just to get the facts out and the citizens involved, I am beginning a PROCESS tonight, at the Green Line, or possibly the Abbraccio, beginning at 8:00 pm so that the Mayor and Police Commissioner can be present IF THEY CHOOSE!!! If they don't show up, then it will be baldly and starkly revealed just exactly what they think about the importance of us, ME, the stakeholders and the little children yet unborn. My PROCESS will be clear, transparent, transcendent and NOT UP FOR GRABS. Absolutely ANYBODY is welcome to attend -- whores, wankers, lunatics, druggies -- but PUH-LEAZE, no damn Yuppies. On the other hand I want to be inclusive, so Yuppies are welcome to attend IF THEY ARE READY TO FACE THE WRATH OF THE PEOPLE and risk getting a pizza in the face. Due to schedule conflicts, I may or may not be attending the PROCESS, but the media will be there, and I know from past experience that they will distort the hell out of this event and not even mention ME, and the IMPORTANCE of ME. Sincerely, ME
Re: [UC] REALITY CHECK CHECK CHECK
There¹s Mizu Sushi on 40th St. between Chestnut and Sansom Sts: They deliver!! 111 South 40th Street Philadelphia, PA 19104 Mon thru Sat 11:00 - 10:00 Tel: 215-382-1745 Fax: 215-382-1605 On 6/14/07 6:19 PM, Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sushi community DEMANDS a new radioactive sushi bar in Clark Park!
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn’t HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She’s too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
RE: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
The beautiful thing about the list is that we're all the color of text here. I don't know what race people are, and frankly I don't want to know -- but as a person of color myself (as if Caucasians are somehow devoid of any shade), I have to say that I find this sort of presentation of an us-vs-them dichotomy both demeaning and damaging to the greater dialogue. - Mike V. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 8:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: univcity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn't HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She's too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
I sent him an email from work and asked him to help (or perhaps I should say ehlp) by posting it for me. A courtesy to a listmate. I am in the process of switching ISPs and I have not the slightest idea what is happening to me at this minute, technically. A friend seems to have jiggered my computer so that I can now post to the list again. We'll see! No local newspaper will ever give you the Real story because the Real story, life, is always evolving and is always experienced in partial perspectives. In order to get a glimpse of what is true, you'll need to apply common sense to what you read or hear. Alas, this is not something you can download, Ray. -- Tony West Ray wrote: how did al receive a message from tony when tony was unable to email uclist? which local newspaper will give us the Real story? how will we know it's true? You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Since you decide to copy the listserv after sending this message to me and Al offlist, I shall copy my response that was sent offlist to you. Dear Melani, You¹re right. I did not mean to send this email to you. As for people of color monitoring behavior, I meant not you personally, but the power brokers who first befriended longtime residents of color, got them to engage the community because they were credible. When disagreement arose between the two factions, refused to explain anything and used resources at hand to discredit naysayers. Why do you keep needling Al as a cheapskate who doesn¹t want to part with a portion of his large fortune in order to support the UCD/NID? If Al (who is quite astute), feels you have libeled him, he could do what I could not do or others who were opposed to the UC byline, (we did not have the credibility or the power), to actually hold those assertions accountable. Forgive me if this should offend you, but I have seen so many people victimized by half-truths, mistruths, rumor and innuendo because they could not compete against the credibility of people with money who did not look the same as the residents who were trying to hold on to their neighborhood. For the record, I am not excusing Al entirely. He seized an opportunity and was successful. The difference is he did not try to convince the community that he was in their corner. You know that I respect you and your efforts for this community even though we might disagree on certain political issues. ³It¹s business; not personal.² I disagree with lots of people with whom I respect and socialize. Regards, Wilma On 6/14/07 8:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uh, Wilma, I'm not sure you meant to send this email to me, but you did. Just in case you've never met Al, I do want to mention that he's not in the us group you mention. Also, I feel no jealousy toward him. And - what behavior of mine were you trying to monitor? Sounds ominous. I haven't tried to monitor yours. Melani In a message dated 6/14/07 7:27:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pray, do NOT let her off the hook THIS time. As you quite know, she and others of the UC Cartel are not used to justifying their slanderous/libelous statements, because they didn¹t HAVE to for those of us (people of color) who were trying to monitor their behavior. She¹s too comfortable AND jealous of your wealth!! Nail her! On 6/14/07 3:37 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 6/14/07 1:32:56 PM, Krfapt writes: In a message dated 6/14/2007 1:18:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See your emails of 5/23, 8:09 AM; 5/24, 3:46 PM, 4:37 PM, 4:48 PM; 6/1, 1:38 PM; 6/2, 7:48 PM 7:50 AM; 6/7, 2:19 PM, and 6/10, 7:46 PM. I've read my emails. Show me the quotes that say what you say I say. Or I say you're a liar. And since I have a business to run that depends on my reputation in the community. Those lies are libel. Alan Krigman Al, who's calling who a liar? Are you saying that you are not delighted to see UCD in the hot seat, and that you didn't threaten to file complaints? Please reread your posts including your poem, UCD/NID -- R. I. P. Melani Lamond ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Notice the subtle, artful recasting of news media as part of a paranoid explanatory scheme. That different unrelated media outlets write different stories, at different times, with different pieces of information, is described as odd, when in fact it's normal and inevitable. The official story (UCD's public statements), which has been reprinted verbatim in many outlets, is falsely described as on hold. Sifted morsels of information in timed bits implies a Hidden Hand -- a malign, controlling central intelligence -- which lies at the core of every delusional system. In fact, five different media outlets have published stories about the issue, all of whom are inherently jealous rivals of each other. No one agent wields significant power over all five of them. Masterminding media coverage on a story like thisis like herding cats; any real Hidden Hand would be chewing its knuckles after a week of it Not in Ray's world, though. I'd advise readers always to keep an eye peeled for paranoid explanations of anything. They'll give you a quick and emotionally satisfying handle on just about anything. They are almost invariably wrong, however. -- Tony West Ray wrote: ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article that appeared june 1 after its original article may 16 shifted the focus away from ucd and onto blackwell. all in all, it's odd, how the official story is on hold, yet we're given, meanwhile, sifted morsels of information in timed bits... You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] correcting Campion quotes
Liz, I always welcome a correction or amplification from a news source. Print media is measured in inches and a writer's job is to select from quoted material the information he deems will tell the story best within the inches allotted. No newswriter ever means disrespect to the material he leaves out of an article. One of the nice features about the internet is that quotees like Liz can get on line and amplify to their hearts' content. No trees have to be chopped down in the process. As every print publisher, without exception, is a dyed-in-the-wool environmentalist, their stern commitment to preserving trees even at the expense of Truth is the reason why so many amplifications, corrections, etc., never appear in print, even remarks as cogent as yours. Thank you, o UC-list tech wizards, who made it possible for Liz to do the job just by massacring a few electrons. -- Tony West - Original Message - From: Elizabeth F Campion To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: [UC] An easier link to Tony in The Public Record : correcting Campion quotes I liked being referred to as Liz Campion, a prominent University City real-estate agent, but my statement was not properly recorded and the conclusion does not accurately reflect the outcome that I desire. The accurate quotes have been placed in Italics. I suspect universities approach their neighborhoods in a top-down manner that ignores local leadership. I believe that Councilwoman Blackwell for a long time has supported the 'trickle-down' theory of Penn investment. It was not reported, but I also said, This can be wise. If a City grant can jump-start matching dollars from institutions and neighbors, and 2-3 dollars hits the local economy for every tax dollar spent, than the neighborhood wins. I said, ... if Penn is importing people who are not from the neighborhood and trampling on the wishes of the neighborhood... But MY ending was, it is not serving or representing the neighborhood. And if this is being communicated to the Councilwoman by unhappy voters, than I understand why she might shift to trickle-up economics. I define Trickle up economics as helping more needy constituents and hoping their use of dollars will lead to rippling improvements. I've heard people call her statements Threats. I saw them as an attempt to satisfy constituents. If PENN or UCD continues to hand pick the Community representatives who sit on their boards, and if the neighborhood is fairly unanimous against this and other points of dissatisfaction, (such as the John Fenton suspension), than it begins to make sense to deliver money directly to 52nd Street or 64th Street and not flow it through UCD. My personal belief is that a well moderated UCD has the theoretical potential to do more good than the disconnected or redundant attempts of disconnected Community Associations. But, in the Thursday meeting, it was clear that many community leaders are not happy. I know that I do not like being ignored, patronized or discriminated against. Many of our neighbors said this is how they feel. I think some of our neighbors made a good case for changes that need to take place. We all deserve to feel respected and included in decisions about the people and services being 'offered' to the community by UCD and PENN. I did NOT say that I am ...supporting Blackwell's attempt to rein in UCD. I believe our politicians, (including Councilwoman Blackwell, a politician I like and respect), answer to us, the voters. I also believe UCD should answer to the community's that it is purporting to serve. What I support is the Councilwoman helping our neighbors define goals and ways (possibly including UCD) to better implement them. To be fair to Tony, our conversation was a hasty, and impromptu one. We bumped into each other on 43rd Street. I am amazed at how much, and how accurately he remembered so much of what was said. Thanks for letting me clarify things. Liz On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:25:04 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Click here: The Philadelphia Public Record
Re: [UC] bike theft
No one can dispute the preference of dogs as a deterrent, but many cannot have dogs for various reasons. 35 years of freedom from break-ins when EVERY OTHER HOUSE has been broken into is a hell of a record I stand by my post. sk - Original Message - From: Elizabeth F Campionmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: UnivCity@list.purple.commailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:17 PM Subject: Re: [UC] bike theft I've moved from home to home, REMOVING window bars. Rape is a horror, but relatively rare and survivable. When I consider what I value... ... I'd rather my family and pets could escape, or be helped out of our home than worry about our possessions. There are too many stories of Fireman unable to save people to install most of the bars that I see on properties. My family enjoys the protection and companionship of dogs. Morris shelter and the SPCA might be a better choice than bars-r-us. Most Alarm Systems have (or could easily add) panic buttons for the truly nervous. Best! Liz On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:53:32 -0400 SKnight [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I personally don't believe window bars are necessary if you are doing some of the other important anti-crime practices such as: - Sharrieff The block on which I live has, over the last 35 years, had EVERY house on it burgled with the exception of the house in which I live. The only element that is different in my house from the others is the presence of bars on the first floor windows, front, sides and back. While I can appreciate, with a shudder, the seeming nonchalance of living in a house without them, I can tell you from my perspective as a woman that it is incredibly and stunningly frightening to live with the possibility of a break-in and mugging and rape. Sande Knight -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of S. Sharrieff Ali Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 10:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.commailto:UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: RE: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in the day The real problem here is storing a bike on a porch. The answer is. JUST DON'T DO IT. Storing bikes on porches is just asking for trouble. If a thief sees a bike on a porch not only will they attempt to steal the bike (and damage what ever it is chained to) but also take a look in your windows to see what else is available. I personally don't believe window bars are necessary if you are doing some of the other important anti-crime practices such as: 1.. Trimming scrubs which block the pedestrian-way or porch-view. 2.. Create well lit exteriors particularly installing porch lights. 3.. Invest in a monitored alarm system for your home and display a sign or sticker. 4.. Closing curtains when no one is at home or at night before you go to bed. 5.. Not placing valuables in windows such as bikes or computers (laptops) etc. 6.. Keeping a log of suspicious activity for your block and forwarding to the police. 7.. Calling 911 when you see potentially dangerous things happening. We need to be a bit smarter about crime safety. I have a block safety guide and a safety survey for distribution, just e-mail me off-list. The keys are communicating with neighbors and the police about what is happening on your block. S -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mariellen Smith Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Subject: Re: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in the day It always struck me as strange that all those really nice houses around Osage and Larchwood don't have bars on the windows. The people with the really nice homes would presumably also have some really nice stuff. And they are the only houses around without bars. If you were going to steal, where would you go? I know that area looks like a nice suburb, but people seem to have forgotten that they are still in the city. The bars are not that pretty, but there is a reason why most homes have them. The rule of Philadelphia is, 'If it's not locked up or nailed down, somebody's going to take it. And even if it is, somebody's still going to try.' This is certainly true with bikes. When you bring a bike into this city, you should probably just reconcile yourself to the fact that you are really just
Fwd: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Wasn't that you that announced you planned to file a complaint with the IRS if UCD didn't make progress on the issue?? Glenn also. Also, did either of you file complaints or otherwise notify the IRS of alleged problems with UCD conduct? Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: univcity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:10 pm Subject: Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07 In a message dated 6/14/2007 11:54:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: since he announced on this list that he was delighted with this situation - threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations Please substantiate the allegation that I announced I was delighted with this situation. Also, substantiate the statement threatening the UCD with actions if they didn't look into the allegations. ? Note that this request and the answers or lack of same will go into my Lamond, pending libel suit evidence file. ? Alan Krigman KRF Management 211 S 45th St, Phila PA 19104 215-349-6500, fax 215-349-6500 on-line bulletin board: www.iconworldwide.com/krf/news website: www.iconworldwide.com/krf See what's free at AOL.com. AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
Fwd: [UC] Re: Soccer and FoCP (was The FOCP complaint)
What is the safety problem that the fences will provide protection against.? Off leash dogs?? And how much risk will result from installing fences for the kids to run into? Paul -Original Message- From: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jim Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com Sent: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 1:31 pm Subject: [UC] Re: Soccer and FoCP (was The FOCP complaint) Thanks for the further clarification about the actual numbers.? ? Th epoint of CPYSL is not to train soccer athletes? it is for young people to have fun playing soccer how would fences? boundaries help that?? ? ? It's a safety issue. Little kids chasing soccer balls might be safer behind Rec. Center fences. I'd be happy to discuss the issues around the differences between Rec centers and parks. Rec centers are designed for these organized leagues and parks generally are not.? ? I never wanted to make a big issue about the fee required league in the park. I don't know how many folks are aware that at the beginning of youth soccer, the FOCP attempted to get other stakeholders engaged in appropriate activities removed from the park.? ? The pick-up immigrant centered soccer, dog culture, Woodland Ave Reunion, Clark Park festivals were all targeted for action or removal because of potential conflict with what was the new fee required soccer.? ? Did you know that youth soccer should be required under city rules to have a porto-pottie? Did you know that according to FOCP demands, you need 3-5 potties based on your numbers? Did you know that according to FOCP demands, there are no more than two special events allowed in the park per month, yet you have 9 consecutive weeks of permits during 2 peak park seasons.? ? More of the soccer families need to be informed about the demands of the FOCP upon outside stakeholders.? I think they would think about some of these issues had they known the truth.? ? Please, please understand I'm not trying to cause trouble for soccer. I'm just telling the truth.? ? Sincerely,? Glenn? ? - Original Message - From: Jim Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED]? To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Cc: Turner,Kathleen [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com? Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:58 AM? Subject: Soccer and FoCP (was The FOCP complaint)? ? I was the registrar for soccer for CPYSL (Clark Park Youth Soccer? League) and have a better feeling for the numbers than most.? While the soccer program usually have 130-160 young people in a season? and there are about 100 unique families, all the families are family? members which means that they get two votes. Since there are two? soccer seasons in a year and FoCP membership lasts one year, the real? number is how many annual membership CPYSL is responsible for. We? offer preregistration to families that have been in soccer within the? previous year. While our bookkeeping is improving and will not know? until August when our new system is in place, we usually offer about? 160 families pre-registration. Every season about 30 new families? join. That makes about 200 families in CPYSL per year. So soccer? easily represents one-half of the FoCP possible votes. That said,? soccer families rarely come to FoCP meeting because they have other? things to do at night (Soccer families of the park unite! You have? nothing to lose but your evenings with your kids).? Kathleen has addressed how affordable CPYSL is (cheaper than the vet!).? ? Clark park is a fantastic location for family soccer. With playgrounds? for siblings and after soccer and the Farmer's Market and Greenline? for the parents, Saturday mornings at Clark Park where a major draw? for me as a parent. Th epoint of CPYSL is not to train soccer athletes? it is for young people to have fun playing soccer how would fences? boundaries help that?? ? Jim Cummings? ? On 6/14/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:? Kathleen,? ? Thanks for the correct information about the soccer. I still honestly wish? park events were free to all. I also honestly think the parents and? children would be better served by moving slightly to the lovely field at? the Recreation Center. These have a healthier athletic field, the? bathrooms, storage, fence boundaries, etc. which would benefit the activity.? ? I love intramural sports so don't get me wrong about this; these are my? honest opinions and I've never been an enemy of the soccer program as I've? heard the rumor machine has been pumping out for years. I met one of the? soccer leaders recently. He started cracking up when I told him that I was? the one. He was laughing and said something like, you're not so bad.? ? Also, there is no a on the end of my name. I like the name, Reyom Nnelg,? if you want to insult me in the future.? ? Glenn? ? - Original Message -? From:
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Anthony West wrote: I sent him an email from work and asked him to help (or perhaps I should say ehlp) by posting it for me. A courtesy to a listmate. I am in the process of switching ISPs and I have not the slightest idea what is happening to me at this minute, technically. A friend seems to have jiggered my computer so that I can now post to the list again. We'll see! thanks! al wrote that you were offline, that's what seemed odd. would something like this help you in future? to post to uclist no matter where you're using a computer?: http://webmail.dca.net/ No local newspaper will ever give you the Real story because the Real story, life, is always evolving and is always experienced in partial perspectives. In order to get a glimpse of what is true, you'll need to apply common sense to what you read or hear. Alas, this is not something you can download, Ray. thanks. but you can appreciate how odd it is when a news story containing a quoted press release is posted onlist, and someone else posts that very same press release an hour later onlist with the explanation that it doesn't seem to have been picked up by the media! BIZZARO DAY IS JUNE 14 .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
Re: [UC] Notes from Planning Committee Meeting Re: UCD 6-13-07
Anthony West wrote: Notice the subtle, artful recasting of news media as part of a paranoid explanatory scheme. That different unrelated media outlets write different stories, at different times, with different pieces of information, is described as odd, when in fact it's normal and inevitable. The official story (UCD's public statements), which has been reprinted verbatim in many outlets, is falsely described as on hold. Sifted morsels of information in timed bits implies a Hidden Hand -- a malign, controlling central intelligence -- which lies at the core of every delusional system. In fact, five different media outlets have published stories about the issue, all of whom are inherently jealous rivals of each other. No one agent wields significant power over all five of them. Masterminding media coverage on a story like thisis like herding cats; any real Hidden Hand would be chewing its knuckles after a week of it Not in Ray's world, though. I'd advise readers always to keep an eye peeled for paranoid explanations of anything. They'll give you a quick and emotionally satisfying handle on just about anything. They are almost invariably wrong, however. nothing paranoid about this at all. here's where we stand: ucity review hasn't mentioned anything else about the fenton incident since their original may 23 article about it the summer dp hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their original may 24 article the daily news article hasn't mentioned anything about the incident since their revised june 1 article shifted the focus of their may 16 article away from ucd and onto blackwell. no media outlet has published stories about the issue since june 1 except philadelphia public record (yours, with ucd's latest press release) neither of the press releases appear on ucd's website along with all of ucd's other press releases, so there has been no way to tell, publicly, what the 'official story' is, where or when the 'official story' has been printed 'verbatim'. BIZZARO DAY IS JUNE 14 .. UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN [aka laserbeam®] [aka ray] SERIAL LIAR. CALL FOR RATES. It is very clear on this listserve who these people are. Ray has admitted being connected to this forger. -- Tony West You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named UnivCity. To unsubscribe or for archive information, see http://www.purple.com/list.html.
