Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
John and Sieghard, I agree with you guys completely. Like it says in my Skype mood message, some blind people are so spoiled. And it’s true, because look at this thread. We should be lucky that Apple is giving us a pretty good screen reader. I’m just tired of reading threads about people bitching and complaining about Apple not living up to their standards. Even on the Mac list we have people demanding that Apple do this and do that to make Voiceover live up to their standards. I’m tired of this. I think if I find another post about this thread, I’m gonna hit the delete button because that is my friend of course. I’ll just end off by saying if you don’t like Apple, sell your Mac and your iPhone and go to Windows and Android. Now that my rant’s over, Regina, I have an iPhone 4S and I’m not experiencing any wifi issues. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:17 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Sieghard put it well. I am very tired of listening to people complaining about their phones and the problems they are having. If you are so unhappy with Apple or your IPhone sell it and buy an android phone. For the vast majority of the blind people using this technology it works quite well. Yes their are bugs but they exist with all technology products. At least with the IPhone we have the option to upgrade when a new version of their software comes out. We are not at the mercy of the phone carriers or manufacturers as to whether they will let us upgrade. All in all this technology works well. It has provided us the ability to do much more with our phones than we thought possible just a few short years ago. On 11/10/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread. The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time tracking in Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, many of the forms VO struggles with are also extremely difficult on the computer. They have quite a bit to do with newer web technologies. Other places where VO struggles appear to not move the visual page on the display as one flicks through the form using right flicks. When the button or edit box is not on the visual screen, it will not activate with a double or even, triple tap. However, there is a work-around that works for most websites I have tried. Physically find the edit field and hold your finger on it. This locks it on the visual display. Split-tap with another finger and the edit box is locked in with the keyboard. Because of rapid screen refreshes, it may be impossible to then flick to the next edit field. In this case, locate the done button above the o and p letters on the keyboard and double-tap it. This releases the edit field and one can now locate the next edit field. Follow the same procedure. When finished with the form, locate the continue, submit, or otherly worded button and split-tap it. again, as I previously stated, because of the newer web technologies, many of these complex new web technologies are also complicated, if not impossible, for computer-based screen readers. In Apple's favour, I have been able to access some forms on my iPhone using the above procedure, which people on certain lists have stated that Jaws cannot access on Windows and IE 10. As for Talks and Nokia, the person can always go to the newest Windows Mobile phone and get the latest Mobile Speak for it. This is a specifically written app with six features in it. Nothing else can be accessed on the phone, so it will be very similar to the old Nokia with Talks. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 10:13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello, Here is my summary of this entire thread: The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth: 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or save it to contacts 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is in general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's rights are violated in a number of ways. As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very general way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new iOS to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. However, this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to upgrade to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your phone,
RE: TV Guide
Hi Les, You're more than welcomed. With Sports selected, there is no option to change the date and time. This is not a VoiceOver glitch. This option does not appear on the screen because, based on my cursory exploration of the Sports view, it lists all the events for a particular day. I suggest that you select Listings from the navigation menu, then change the date and time, then switch back to Sports. This may allow you to accomplish your objective. As an F Y I, just as there is a navigation menu in the upper left corner of the display, there is also a filter secondary button located in the upper right corner. VoiceOver reads this button as Nav 7 Filter. With Listings selected from the main navigation menu, you can then activate the filter button to streamline what type of items are displayed. For example, I only have my favorite channels displayed in the channel listings view. This saves me a lot of time as there are over 600 channels in my viewing area. The nice thing is, assuming you have setup a free TV Guide account, your favorite channels are synced between whatever device is using the TV Guide app, the web version of the site and the cloud. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TV Guide Hi Mark, I appreciate the assist. Thus far, I am unable to locate the Change Date and Time text. Here's what I've done. 1. I have Sports selected as the default view when I launch the App. 2. I locate the Menu 7 Button and do a single finger double tap. 3. I start exploring the screen just below the Status Barr. So far, I don't ever locate any text that says Change Date and Time. What am I missing? Thanks again. Les On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:04 PM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Les and Melissa, I use the TV Guide app on a daily basis. I have the latest version running on iOS 7.0.3. We, that is to say VoiceOver users, can still change the date and time with no problem. The only VoiceOver challenge issue is that the menu button is not properly labeled. The menu button is located in the upper left corner of the display. VoiceOver reads this menu as Nav 7 Menu. To change the date and time of the channel listings grid: 1. Locate the text that says Change Date and Time. Even though it does not read as a button, it is, in fact, a button. This text/button is located just below the iOS Status line near the center. 2. Perform a single-finger double-tap on the Change date and time text/button. Visually, doing this causes the Change date and time tickers to appear in the same location as the software keyboard, when sending a text message. That is to say, the lower half of the display. At the same time, the upper part of the screen is nearly dimmed. It's a cool effect. If, however, you touch the upper part of the screen, while using VoiceOver, VoiceOver will read the channel grid in that area because, technically, it is still being displayed. All VoiceOver users need do is simply place focus in the lower half of the display and they will have complete access to the ticker. Once the desired settings are configured: 3. Simply double-tap the Go button which is located in the same location as the Send button, when sending a text message. Finally, double-tapping an actual channel number in the grid will take you to that single channel's upcoming programming. Good Luck and Enjoy, Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Melissa Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 7:42 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: TV Guide There was an update on Friday for the TV Guide app, which set some of their accessibility back a few steps. Since this update, moving backwards in the days listings doesn't seem to work, and it does keep refreshing, particularly when one tries to move backwards in the listings. You used to be able to change the date and time listing you are viewing by double tapping on the time in the top center of the screen. This would bring up a selection list, where you could swipe up or down with one finger to change the setting. By double tapping on a channel's name/number, you can view listings specifically for that channel for several weeks ahead. Warm regards, Melissa Melissa Riley jamand...@izoom.net riley...@umn.edu -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: TV Guide I have the latest update running under IOS 7.03. I can only view the current day's program. Is there a way to change the date being viewed? Also, I recently noticed that while swiping through the day's events,
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Hi, after this lengthy but interesting summary, the thread can be declared closed, all that can be said, has been, more than once I reckon, I stopped reading after a while. I keep a Nokia with Talks, it's reliable because it's simple. There's mileage in keeping a gismo that does it's little bit, without a glitch, your fallback position when the leading edge becomes the bleeding edge. RobH. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:13 PM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Hello, Here is my summary of this entire thread: The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth: 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or save it to contacts 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is in general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's rights are violated in a number of ways. As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very general way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new iOS to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option. However, this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to upgrade to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who says that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything or twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen. If Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because at that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already their choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of pressure there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone. Now, as to the 4 items above: 1. Hanging up calls is unreliable I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS 7 was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or mentioned a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up. There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and that is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's right there about the ome Key and to double tap it. As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was hung up or is still connected. 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or save it to contacts This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for them. A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it, a double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc. I'd really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think was the one who posted that all of this didn't work. 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on the Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find this so horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More than once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell them that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate in electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not saying Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters problems, but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes the time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make sure they know about the issues. 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for some time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the iPhone can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's of course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half the features of iOS. I remember
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
True, but what a waste of bandwidth when touching the top of the screen where the clock is can tell the time. No worse than all those old talking clocks I had where you had to actually press a button. - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:57 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? And one can always just press the home key a moment longer and ask SIRI What is the time -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Pablo, VO announcing the track position rather than the time is a new feature, not a bug. When an audio track is playing, the lock screen now displays the audio player screen rather than the normal unlock screen. If you would rather the normal unlock screen was displayed, send an email to Apple about it. However, this is not a bug! In fact, I am willing to bet that many people sent Apple complaints because the audio player did not automatically come up when they first opened the lock screen. If that is the case, I seriously doubt your message will cause Apple to change back to the previous system. After all, how often do the majority of users activate the lock screen to manipulate their audio playback compared with how many do so to check the time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people saying the same thing. It happened before? No, it didn't. Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before? No, it didn't. Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content, voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of content again to find where we were before VO jump out. it happened before? No, it didn't. Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of media, and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO said the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before? No, it didn't. I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence for seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, guessing pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What is happening? No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty similar problems. it happened before? No, it didn't! How many, no, It didn't, you want Sieghard? . I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have to break things that were working well before? In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I am talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that are not in this email. But add to this list the problems that people who is not voice over user is getting? I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better product right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day, apple is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking about hardware, I am talking about IOs developers. In the last 2 versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be talking about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are getting now, will not be fixed all of them when the new Ios comes, even though we will have to start, to restart again, with new bugs, and never we will be happy, because every year, they have a new IOs, and we have to restart the hard process of
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Agreed, pity this couldn't be turned off and something else turned on. Makes you wonder what the development engineers are thinking of when they change these things, apparently for the sake of it. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:14 AM Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Well, apple accessibility has a different opinion than you. They recognize that it should read the time. The people normally look the time more often than when they want to know the track position. Sorry again man. But apple responded to me, that they are going to fix it, and they are apologized about it. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Pablo, VO announcing the track position rather than the time is a new feature, not a bug. When an audio track is playing, the lock screen now displays the audio player screen rather than the normal unlock screen. If you would rather the normal unlock screen was displayed, send an email to Apple about it. However, this is not a bug! In fact, I am willing to bet that many people sent Apple complaints because the audio player did not automatically come up when they first opened the lock screen. If that is the case, I seriously doubt your message will cause Apple to change back to the previous system. After all, how often do the majority of users activate the lock screen to manipulate their audio playback compared with how many do so to check the time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people saying the same thing. It happened before? No, it didn't. Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before? No, it didn't. Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content, voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of content again to find where we were before VO jump out. it happened before? No, it didn't. Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of media, and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO said the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before? No, it didn't. I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence for seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, guessing pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What is happening? No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty similar problems. it happened before? No, it didn't! How many, no, It didn't, you want Sieghard? . I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have to break things that were working well before? In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I am talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that are not in this email. But add to this list the problems that people who is not voice over user is getting? I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better product right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day, apple is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking about hardware, I am talking about IOs developers. In the last 2 versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be talking about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are getting now, will not be fixed all of them when
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote: This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that have appeared in ver 7 that were not in IOS6. It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions are compromised. 1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times I thought I had ended the call but it was active. This has lead to embarrassing situations and also a drain on my wallet due to large long distance call charges. 2. When I get phone numbers in a text message, I should be able to call or message or store the number with a tap. No! I could do it with my 6 year old Nokia better. 3. Entering data in a web form has become a nightmare. With my previous phones running Talks I could do much better. I pay 10 times to get a iphone and guess what? I can do less with it! Very frustrating. This list could go on and on. . . . New models will launch, new IOS versions will roll out. . . But the shortcomings and bugs will stick with us. Technology for the sake of technology. But no technology for the visually challenged. Wish someone would charge more but make a phone that works. With IOS7 AND IPHONE all one can do is pull ones hair out, welcome to a bald world populated with buggy iphones! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting
Test, and questions
Hi: I'm wondering if my questions are actually reaching the list, I get them back, but not a single responce, which is very unusual for this list. One question was about incomplete albums downloaded to my phone, I downloaded a large collection of christmas music and was told that 5 of the songs could not be downloaded at this time. I synced my phone with my computer and ended up with the incomplete album but now the rest of the songs have turned up on my phone and I don't know how to get the whole thing on to my computer. I know next to nothing about moving music around and playlists and such so very basic answers would be appreciated if anyone can help. Thanks Tessa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
well said Sieghard, can't agree more with your post. Rob, iOS 6 got up to 6.14 although i think 6.14 only for iPhone 5 users. Hmm, all these 53++ messages let me think of a business opportunity. I reckon i can hunt down some of the Nokia button phones and i also have a friend that was a Talks diller in Asia and Pacific. Deal to the not-so-recent development, he has about 1000 license sitting somewhere with him and he lost a big chunk of his business on this investment. Oh, he also have some of the KNFB reader license as well... What about this, fully license Talks and a old Nokia phone for $500US, or, Talks + KNFB reader + WayFinder (remember those folks?) + Nokia N86 for $1500US? And consider thise, since you are such a good convert from Apple to good old Nokia, i offer you 10% discount, to $450 for a good old nokia phone with talks, or $1350 for the lots? That those, still cheaper than your Braille + 18... and you know, you get all those goodies that you get for old time sake. :P Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 11 Nov 2013, at 21:22, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote: This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that have appeared in ver 7 that were not in IOS6. It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions are compromised. 1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times I thought I had ended the call but it was active. This has lead to embarrassing situations and also a drain on my wallet due to large long distance call charges. 2. When I get phone numbers in a text message, I should be able to call or message or store the number with a tap. No! I could do it with my 6 year old Nokia better. 3. Entering data in a web form has become a nightmare. With my previous phones running Talks I could do much better. I pay 10 times to get a iphone and guess what? I can do less with it! Very frustrating. This list could go on and on. . . . New models will launch, new IOS versions will roll out. . . But the shortcomings and bugs will stick with us. Technology for the sake of technology. But no technology for the visually challenged. Wish someone would charge more but make a phone that works. With IOS7 AND IPHONE all one can do is pull ones hair out, welcome to a bald world populated with buggy iphones! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote: This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that have appeared in ver 7 that were not in IOS6. It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions are compromised. 1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times I thought I had ended the call but it was active. This has lead to embarrassing situations and also a drain on my wallet due to large long distance call charges. 2. When I get phone numbers in a text message, I should be able to call or message or store the number with a tap. No! I could do it with my 6 year old Nokia better. 3. Entering data in a web form has become a nightmare. With my previous phones running Talks I could do much better. I pay 10 times to get a iphone and guess what? I can do less with it! Very frustrating. This list could go on and on. . . . New models will launch, new IOS versions will roll out. . . But the shortcomings and bugs will stick with us. Technology for the sake of technology. But no technology for the visually challenged. Wish someone would charge more but make a phone that works. With IOS7 AND IPHONE all one can do is pull ones hair out, welcome to a bald world populated with buggy iphones! -- You received this
A TV guide app for Canada
Hi, I’ve been looking for a TV guide app that works in Canada. Anyone know of one that works well with voice over? Jen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tap-tap see... forgive me... purchasing question.
It seems to appear at different times for different people. I had the purchase options on my phone the very first day but it may not have appeared on your phone yet. Just wait until it does and keep using it free until you get the notification. Then double tap on the option you want and begin the purchase process through the app store. Then it will appear again when it is time to purchase again. The developer plans to put a counter on the app in the near future. On 11/11/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: The purchasing option will appear in the app. You purchased through your normal iTunes account, just like when purchasing any app. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 13:30, Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com wrote: Ok. I have to admit I haven't been following this thread because it's too huge and I don't have time to read the dozens of messages that have came in regarding this. i know that there will be two prices, one for unlimited and one for I believe 50 picks. But how can I purchase whatever monthly option I want? My fault for not following and I appoligize in advance. If the developer wishes to write me privately re: this I would appreciate it. I for one will pay what I have too because IMO TapTap see is the best OCR ap, for me... and I'm willing to pay for it monthly. Jen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Marianne Denning, TVI, MA Teacher of students who are blind or visually impaired (513) 607-6053 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using Zoom and VO
Hi DJ, I just put zoom into my rotor, but can't seem to make it have an effect. I have never tried using zoom before as it used to conflict with voice-over I believe. So do you or anyone else have a suggestion as to how I make it operate? Thanks, Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 00:25, DJ grou...@gmail.com wrote: Yes you can have Zoom in the roder. I have it in mine running 7.03. DJ -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris H Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Using Zoom and VO Yes Zoom and Vo can be used together but you cannot have Zoom in the rotor. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 10/11/2013 17:29, Pinky wrote: Hi Can you use Zoom and VO together? Also can you have Zoom in the rotor? Any info on using Zoom would be appreciated. Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: wireless charging of your iPhone.
Hi David, Thanks for this. That’s interesting to know. On the surface, this doesn’t sound like a terribly complex problem. They could add a cooling system to the charging pad to help dissipate some of the heat I would think. But, I am far from a thermal engineer. hahaha. Like Sieghard suggested, I think it might be the slower charging times, and adding the charging coil into the body of such a slim compact device as an iPhone that is probably holding the technology back from being added at this time. Plus, it’s only a minor convenience at this point. Probably not worth all the effort of making it happen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Hi, Change for the sake of it? With respect, it sounds like common sense to me. Voiceover always read the first item on the screen below the status bar. When on the lock screen, this is usually the time. This is why we hear the time read when we wake our devices. Now, in IOS 7, when listening to audio, the transport controls are automatically shown as the first items on the screen. So naturally, Voiceover reads that first when waking your device. Voiceover is doing what it has always done since IOS 3.0. The difference is what is displayed on the screen. I don’t see what engineers have to do with it. Since the time is shown in the status bar, why would any sighted person be so redundant as to show the time again underneath when your listening to audio. Like David said, I’m sure people wrote Apple saying when I’m listening to audio, can you have the transport and now playing information automatically displayed instead of me needing to press the home button twice to bring it up? Apple then looked at this request and said yes. This does indeed make sense. Since since it is an improvement for 99.9% of our user base, and only a 00.1% mild inconvenience for Voiceover users, who just need to touch the status bar when listening to audio, this looks like a decent enough trade off. I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I mean, how many toggles and settings can you cram into an OS or app? After a while, you just have to put your foot down and say enough is enough. This setting adds an extra layer of convenience to the majority of users, and doesn’t break accessibility. It’s not like the clock completely disappears from the screen after all. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:28 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Agreed, pity this couldn't be turned off and something else turned on. Makes you wonder what the development engineers are thinking of when they change these things, apparently for the sake of it. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:14 AM Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Well, apple accessibility has a different opinion than you. They recognize that it should read the time. The people normally look the time more often than when they want to know the track position. Sorry again man. But apple responded to me, that they are going to fix it, and they are apologized about it. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Pablo, VO announcing the track position rather than the time is a new feature, not a bug. When an audio track is playing, the lock screen now displays the audio player screen rather than the normal unlock screen. If you would rather the normal unlock screen was displayed, send an email to Apple about it. However, this is not a bug! In fact, I am willing to bet that many people sent Apple complaints because the audio player did not automatically come up when they first opened the lock screen. If that is the case, I seriously doubt your message will cause Apple to change back to the previous system. After all, how often do the majority of users activate the lock screen to manipulate their audio playback compared with how many do so to check the time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people saying the same thing. It happened before? No, it didn't. Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before? No, it didn't. Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content, voice over jumps
In praise of Prizmo
Hello the list, This weekend, being on my own, my partner being away, I had a very difficult situation to deal with. I had four multipage forms to fill in and digitally send. Because I have decided to use my iPhone as my main computer, I didn't have access to the functionality of my partners desktop. There is no text-to-speech on that desktop. Well, I managed to get some help from a friend to fill the forms in using a pen! Possibly, I might have managed to fill the forms in using my iPhone, but they needed signing anyway. The only friends I knew off with a scanner couldn't help because their scanner wasn't working! So, left to my own resources I set up my stand scan pro and launched Prizmo. I created multipage documents in PDF form. I then sent them off and Voila everything worked! I am so impressed with Prizmo, because while everybody around me has got this great big collection of equipment, when it came to it, nothing could do the trick but my iPhone and Prizmo worked flawlessly. However, for perfect results one does need to use the stand scan pro, in my opinion. I just wanted to draw people's attention to this in case new people to the list might not know of this fabulous functionality. Happy scanning, Sandy. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Sean, wifi, highjack I know please forgive, 4s and wifi
Shean, sprint said it does not happen to all with 4s, but at least once a day. Question whether this is said to make me feel better, but it is a definite problem. Thank goodness yours has not gotten ill! Smiles. On the good side, I get to use my unlimited data I pay for! Hehehe! By the way, if I spelled your name wrong, sorry! Enjoy that 4s on wifi! Smiley. Reggie and AllegraOn Nov 11, 2013, at 3:04 AM, BBS bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote:y John and Sieghard, I agree with you guys completely. Like it says in my Skype mood message, some blind people are so spoiled. And it’s true, because look at this thread. We should be lucky that Apple is giving us a pretty good screen reader. I’m just tired of reading threads about people bitching and complaining about Apple not living up to their standards. Even on the Mac list we have people demanding that Apple do this and do that to make Voiceover live up to their standards. I’m tired of this. I think if I find another post about this thread, I’m gonna hit the delete button because that is my friend of course. I’ll just end off by saying if you don’t like Apple, sell your Mac and your iPhone and go to Windows and Android. Now that my rant’s over, Regina, I have an iPhone 4S and I’m not experiencing any wifi issues. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:17 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Sieghard put it well. I am very tired of listening to people complaining about their phones and the problems they are having. If you are so unhappy with Apple or your IPhone sell it and buy an android phone. For the vast majority of the blind people using this technology it works quite well. Yes their are bugs but they exist with all technology products. At least with the IPhone we have the option to upgrade when a new version of their software comes out. We are not at the mercy of the phone carriers or manufacturers as to whether they will let us upgrade. All in all this technology works well. It has provided us the ability to do much more with our phones than we thought possible just a few short years ago. On 11/10/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread. The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time tracking in Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, many of the forms VO struggles with are also extremely difficult on the computer. They have quite a bit to do with newer web technologies. Other places where VO struggles appear to not move the visual page on the display as one flicks through the form using right flicks. When the button or edit box is not on the visual screen, it will not activate with a double or even, triple tap. However, there is a work-around that works for most websites I have tried. Physically find the edit field and hold your finger on it. This locks it on the visual display. Split-tap with another finger and the edit box is locked in with the keyboard. Because of rapid screen refreshes, it may be impossible to then flick to the next edit field. In this case, locate the done button above the o and p letters on the keyboard and double-tap it. This releases the edit field and one can now locate the next edit field. Follow the same procedure. When finished with the form, locate the continue, submit, or otherly worded button and split-tap it. again, as I previously stated, because of the newer web technologies, many of these complex new web technologies are also complicated, if not impossible, for computer-based screen readers. In Apple's favour, I have been able to access some forms on my iPhone using the above procedure, which people on certain lists have stated that Jaws cannot access on Windows and IE 10. As for Talks and Nokia, the person can always go to the newest Windows Mobile phone and get the latest Mobile Speak for it. This is a specifically written app with six features in it. Nothing else can be accessed on the phone, so it will be very similar to the old Nokia with Talks. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 10:13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello, Here is my summary of this entire thread: The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth: 1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable 2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it or save it to contacts 3. Filling out web forms is buggy. 4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks. Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is in general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's rights are violated in a number of ways. As for
iTunes asking for password randomly
Does anyone know how to stop iTunes from asking me to sign in at all kinds of random times? I have signed in with my password and all is well until it asks me again with no real pattern I can discern as of yet. Thanks for help in advance. Reggie and Allegra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
If I have the music player on while my phone is locked I rather have access to the player functions than hear the time anyway. For this reason I don't consider it broken. Hopefully Apple comes up with 7.1 soon so that we can stop listening to people complaining all the time. Although I'm sure they'll find something else to start complaining about. On 11/11/13, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Change for the sake of it? With respect, it sounds like common sense to me. Voiceover always read the first item on the screen below the status bar. When on the lock screen, this is usually the time. This is why we hear the time read when we wake our devices. Now, in IOS 7, when listening to audio, the transport controls are automatically shown as the first items on the screen. So naturally, Voiceover reads that first when waking your device. Voiceover is doing what it has always done since IOS 3.0. The difference is what is displayed on the screen. I don’t see what engineers have to do with it. Since the time is shown in the status bar, why would any sighted person be so redundant as to show the time again underneath when your listening to audio. Like David said, I’m sure people wrote Apple saying when I’m listening to audio, can you have the transport and now playing information automatically displayed instead of me needing to press the home button twice to bring it up? Apple then looked at this request and said yes. This does indeed make sense. Since since it is an improvement for 99.9% of our user base, and only a 00.1% mild inconvenience for Voiceover users, who just need to touch the status bar when listening to audio, this looks like a decent enough trade off. I honestly don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I mean, how many toggles and settings can you cram into an OS or app? After a while, you just have to put your foot down and say enough is enough. This setting adds an extra layer of convenience to the majority of users, and doesn’t break accessibility. It’s not like the clock completely disappears from the screen after all. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:28 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: Agreed, pity this couldn't be turned off and something else turned on. Makes you wonder what the development engineers are thinking of when they change these things, apparently for the sake of it. - Original Message - From: Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:14 AM Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Well, apple accessibility has a different opinion than you. They recognize that it should read the time. The people normally look the time more often than when they want to know the track position. Sorry again man. But apple responded to me, that they are going to fix it, and they are apologized about it. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Pablo, VO announcing the track position rather than the time is a new feature, not a bug. When an audio track is playing, the lock screen now displays the audio player screen rather than the normal unlock screen. If you would rather the normal unlock screen was displayed, send an email to Apple about it. However, this is not a bug! In fact, I am willing to bet that many people sent Apple complaints because the audio player did not automatically come up when they first opened the lock screen. If that is the case, I seriously doubt your message will cause Apple to change back to the previous system. After all, how often do the majority of users activate the lock screen to manipulate their audio playback compared with how many do so to check the time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this
Using a Wifi and Cellular Ipad without a Sim Card
Dear List,this is related to the discussion about using an Iphone without a sim card, to which the anser was yes you can use it without a sim card but you need one to activate it at the beginning. This makes sense as it is a phone after all but what about a wifi and cellular ipad? What if you like the idea of having cellular as an option for the future but to start off with you want to just use it on wifi. Do you need a dummy sim card to activate it? Also,can you use the same apple wireless keyboard for two or more Idevices and If fso how is this managed. Many Thanks, Lee -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote: This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that have appeared in ver 7 that were not in IOS6. It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions are compromised. 1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times I thought I had ended the call but it was active. This has lead to embarrassing situations and also a drain on my wallet due to
RE: Test, and questions
Hi Tessa, I bought an album on my phone a while back and while all 10 songs downloaded on my phone only song 10 of 10 downloaded in iTunes on my computer. I first went to the Store menu in iTunes and tried the option Check for available Downloads, but it kept telling me All purchases have been downloaded for this Apple ID. I then send an email to itunesstoresupp...@apple.com and explained the problem. It's important to tell them exactly which album and the order number and I find it is easiest if you forward the receipt for the problematic item which you should have received by email within a day or 2 of buying it. I keep all I received a reply I think the same day which stated that they fixed the issue and I should go and again select Check for Available Downloads and now when I did the album started downloading and the other 9 songs downloaded. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tessa Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Test, and questions Hi: I'm wondering if my questions are actually reaching the list, I get them back, but not a single responce, which is very unusual for this list. One question was about incomplete albums downloaded to my phone, I downloaded a large collection of christmas music and was told that 5 of the songs could not be downloaded at this time. I synced my phone with my computer and ended up with the incomplete album but now the rest of the songs have turned up on my phone and I don't know how to get the whole thing on to my computer. I know next to nothing about moving music around and playlists and such so very basic answers would be appreciated if anyone can help. Thanks Tessa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: iPhone 5s Help!
Sara, sorry to hear of your loss. I lost my retired Leader dog 3 weeks ago. --- Regards, Alan Go Chicago Bears in 2013! Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents? Act now! Move out. Get a job. Pay your bills wile you still know everything. Please click on: HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/ There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. The albums in Technics format formerly on my website are still available upon request. Thanks for listening! - Original Message - From: Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:19 PM Subject: iPhone 5s Help! Hi: I transferred some video from my iPhone 4 of my Seeing Eye dog who I just lost. The video played fine on the 4. On the 5, you hear sound, but the screen is black. The screen curtain is not on. Please help me restore the video! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Using a Wifi and Cellular Ipad without a Sim Card
Hello Lee, I think you might need a SIM in a 3G/LTE capable iPad, but normally when you buy one you tell them which carrier you want a SIM for and a SIM will be in the iPad which you can activate whenever you want. I bought my Mom an iPad 2 here in Canada I think just over 2 years ago now and I decided to get a 3G version. I told them at the electronics shop where I bought it which carrier my Mom was with for her phone and they put a SIM from that carrier in the iPad. So far my Mom has never activated that SIM and only ever used it on WiFi. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using a Wifi and Cellular Ipad without a Sim Card Dear List,this is related to the discussion about using an Iphone without a sim card, to which the anser was yes you can use it without a sim card but you need one to activate it at the beginning. This makes sense as it is a phone after all but what about a wifi and cellular ipad? What if you like the idea of having cellular as an option for the future but to start off with you want to just use it on wifi. Do you need a dummy sim card to activate it? Also,can you use the same apple wireless keyboard for two or more Idevices and If fso how is this managed. Many Thanks, Lee -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android
Using one bluetooth keyboard with multiple devices, was: Using a Wifi and Cellular Ipad without a Sim Card
Hi again, I forgot to include this before. Yes, you can use one Apple wireless keyboard with 2 devices. If you want to use it with your iPad, just make sure you turn off Bluetooth on your iPhone and vice versa. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Jones Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Using a Wifi and Cellular Ipad without a Sim Card Dear List,this is related to the discussion about using an Iphone without a sim card, to which the anser was yes you can use it without a sim card but you need one to activate it at the beginning. This makes sense as it is a phone after all but what about a wifi and cellular ipad? What if you like the idea of having cellular as an option for the future but to start off with you want to just use it on wifi. Do you need a dummy sim card to activate it? Also,can you use the same apple wireless keyboard for two or more Idevices and If fso how is this managed. Many Thanks, Lee -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov
different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
Hi, I agree with the comments made here concerning Apple as opposed to the other phones on the market. Apple has done quite a lot to make its phone work for blind people and today leads the accessibility race by a wide margin. In part, iPhones are accessible because blind people made it happen. Not everyone knows, for example, that the National Federation, fresh off defeating Target in an accessibility law suit, turned its sights to Apple as that company was not doing anything to make accessibility happen. Apple came through without litigation and today we see the results. However, what I do believe we have a right to demand is some movement on Apple's part to make accessibility more of a fact and mindset within the minds of its partners. Apple should create minimum accessibility standards for ALL apps in the App Store. True, many apps are sight oriented and will not and cannot be expected to produce results we as blind people can see. However, Apple can at least require that the controls on all apps be accessible to Voiceover. Apple should complete its accessible commitment by changing the mindset of its partners to provide the maximum usability possible for blind people. All too often apps go in and out of being accessible to us. There is no reason for this. Apple could fix this problem easily. By doing so it would show to us and the world its true commitment to accessibility at all levels. To put it another way, it really isn't enough to make its own device work for us, but it also should insure that we can keep up by having the most possible access to the apps that run on its devices. Having guidelines and suggestions has proven not to be enough. Apple should work with blind people to create better standards for app access. Apple is the gate keeper for apps through the App Store. It has, I believe, the obligation to insure the maximum possible access for those apps. Best, Michael Hingson The Michael Hingson Group, INC. Speaking with Vision Michael Hingson, President (415) 827-4084 i...@michaelhingson.com To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: www.michaelhingson.com To purchase your own portrait of Roselle painted by the world's foremost animal artist, Ron Burns, please visit http://www.ronburns.com/roselle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Rotor Query
Dear List if turning the rotor changes the effects of up and down flicks then isn't there a conflict with the actions menu which also uses up and down flicks? How does it know when you want delete etc or headings etc.In ee-mails I have read things like turn your rotor to paste, or make sure your rotor is on actions. I can't find actions or paste in my rotor. Is there another rotor other than the standard one. Also is it possible to vary what is at the top of your rotor by contexts, e.g. links at the top in webpages,typing mode at the top in text fields. I don't think this is possible but I just want to check before I put in a feature request to apple, as turning through lots of rotor options is a bit slow I want them all on there but it would be better if it could be better at predicting what options I might want based on where the voice over focus is. Many Thanks, Lee Many Thanks, Lee Many Thanks, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote: This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many shortcomings of IOS7.
problem with voice over cutting out while using safari
Hi all. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this or it has been discussed on this list but when I am using safari, I am having instances when I am flicking down the page from line to line that voice over just cuts out. If I wait a little bit it comes back but then it really acts up and is really choppy until I close safari or manage to get to another page. Has anyone experienced this and is this a bug? Thanks. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari
Yep I experience this and also experience voiceover skipping lines when swiping pages in safari. Donna On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Brent Harbolt bharb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this or it has been discussed on this list but when I am using safari, I am having instances when I am flicking down the page from line to line that voice over just cuts out. If I wait a little bit it comes back but then it really acts up and is really choppy until I close safari or manage to get to another page. Has anyone experienced this and is this a bug? Thanks. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rotor Query
No There isn't a rotor other then the standard one You won't see actions until you get in to the inbox of the mail app and the list of messages then turn the rotor to actions -Original Message- From: Lee Jones Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:23 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Rotor Query Dear List if turning the rotor changes the effects of up and down flicks then isn't there a conflict with the actions menu which also uses up and down flicks? How does it know when you want delete etc or headings etc.In ee-mails I have read things like turn your rotor to paste, or make sure your rotor is on actions. I can't find actions or paste in my rotor. Is there another rotor other than the standard one. Also is it possible to vary what is at the top of your rotor by contexts, e.g. links at the top in webpages,typing mode at the top in text fields. I don't think this is possible but I just want to check before I put in a feature request to apple, as turning through lots of rotor options is a bit slow I want them all on there but it would be better if it could be better at predicting what options I might want based on where the voice over focus is. Many Thanks, Lee Many Thanks, Lee Many Thanks, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David
Re: How to edit a folder title
First, open the folder. Then swipe to the right and then back left to the folder name. Do a single tap and hold. You should then be able to edit the folder name and, it looks like though I have not tried it, to edit all of the app names in the folder. I believe this is a change with IOS 7, but again, am not certain. The old, double tap and hold, system, seems to work but does not. Frustrating, isn't it? Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Jeff Samco jsa...@jps.net wrote: I'm using an iPhone 4 with iOS 7.0.3 and VoiceOver. Since upgrading to iOS 7 this is the first time I've tried to edit the name I previously gave to a folder. I'm opening the folder and focussing on the folder name which is announced as an edit box. But there is no tip announce as double tap to edit. When I do double tap the folder closes and I'm back to the main app home screen. What am I missing here? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
I was interested in this post, since I didn't realise how this worked. My only comment is that quite often you don't understand that VO has crashed until you start feeling around the screen! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 11 Nov 2013, at 02:13 am, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo, The occasional occurrences of VO suddenly becoming silent for a little while appears to be iOS resetting its memory. In most cases, if you wait 15 to 30 seconds, VO comes back on and says Voice Over Ready. This means, VO had to be restarted. I remember when iOS 6 came out and VO would sometimes crash. Apple has improved the system now such that, when VO crashes, for what ever reason, it automatically restarts if you leave the system alone for a little while. Why is leaving the system alone so important? A sighted friend explained it to me. In iOS hierarchy, touching the screen takes precedence over almost every other task. Therefore, when you start touching and moving your finger around the nonresponsive screen, this distracts iOS and may block VO from restarting; thereby necessitating rebooting your iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people saying the same thing. It happened before? No, it didn't. Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before? No, it didn't. Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content, voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of content again to find where we were before VO jump out. it happened before? No, it didn't. Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of media, and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO said the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before? No, it didn't. I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence for seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, guessing pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What is happening? No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty similar problems. it happened before? No, it didn't! How many, no, It didn't, you want Sieghard? . I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have to break things that were working well before? In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I am talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that are not in this email. But add to this list the problems that people who is not voice over user is getting? I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better product right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day, apple is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking about hardware, I am talking about IOs developers. In the last 2 versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be talking about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are getting now, will not be fixed all of them when the new Ios comes, even though we will have to start, to restart again, with new bugs, and never we will be happy, because every year, they have a new IOs, and we have to restart the hard process of report bugs, bugs that some will be fix, but other never will be fix. So Sieghard. In my opinion again. Apple makes great phones, but I can not say the same thing of the last IOs that I have seen. Remember Sieghard. I am very interested in a iPhone or an iPad
Re: No sound at all [was Re: Muted Phone]
Thanks David, this fixed it. Saving this message in case it happens again. I was listening to music and ansered a call. When I tapped the end button that's when VO stopped talking. Ward On 11/10/2013 8:34 PM, David Chittenden wrote: On your home screen, try doing a two-finger flick up to get VO talking (even if you cannot hear it). Now, press the volume up button several times rapidly. If VO is on and running, this will cause VO's dedicated volume to increase. This very thing happened to me last year because a third-party app turned my VO volume to 0 whenever I ran the app, and I did not know it. I thought my iPhone had broken. But, because it was working properly, I could not get the computer recovery to activate. I was in the process of finding a way to completely restore the iPhone without first entering my password (which cannot actually be done without going to an Apple Store), when I thought about plugging in headphones and hearing VO on the headset. I used it this way for a week before I remembered that each volume is tracked separately by iOS. In other words, when headphones are plugged in, this will not effect speaker volume. When using bluetooth, this volume will not effect speaker volume. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 14:52, Ward Dudley whdud...@gmail.com wrote: Yep done that all that. Siri will talk but won't turn on VoiceOver. I even called the accessible support line and spent about an hour on the phone. No luck. VO occassionally speaks on it's own. Ward On 11/10/2013 5:19 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Ah, I see, I didn't realize that you didn't have any sound at all. Some other things that you've probably already tried, but use the volume up button on the side of the phone to make sure the volume isn't turned way down low. Also, try and see if you have any more luck with headphones. If you have a PC or Mac, use iTunes to make sure voiceOver is on. On 11/10/2013 04:50 PM, Ward Dudley wrote: Checked the mute switch and can't check the sound settings without VO. Ward On 11/10/2013 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Have you checked the usual suspects, namely the mute switch on the side of your phone and the sounds settings in VoiceOver? On 11/10/2013 01:03 PM, Ward Dudley wrote: Hi all, My 4s has gotten muted. It vibrates when it's called and that's the only way that I even know that it's working. I'vee tried rebooting it but no luck. What to do? Ward -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari
Have you found a fix for this yet Donna? - Original Message - From: Donna To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:34 AM Subject: Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari Yep I experience this and also experience voiceover skipping lines when swiping pages in safari. Donna On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Brent Harbolt bharb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this or it has been discussed on this list but when I am using safari, I am having instances when I am flicking down the page from line to line that voice over just cuts out. If I wait a little bit it comes back but then it really acts up and is really choppy until I close safari or manage to get to another page. Has anyone experienced this and is this a bug? Thanks. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure accessibility is up to par. In my opinion, this model works. It’s the best model out there so far actually. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Michael Hingson i...@michaelhingson.com wrote: Hi, I agree with the comments made here concerning Apple as opposed to the other phones on the market. Apple has done quite a lot to make its phone work for blind people and today leads the accessibility race by a wide margin. In part, iPhones are accessible because blind people made it happen. Not everyone knows, for example, that the National Federation, fresh off defeating Target in an accessibility law suit, turned its sights to Apple as that company was not doing anything to make accessibility happen. Apple came through without litigation and today we see the results. However, what I do believe we have a right to demand is some movement on Apple's part to make accessibility more of a fact and mindset within the minds of its partners. Apple should create minimum accessibility standards for ALL apps in the App Store. True, many apps are sight oriented and will not and cannot be expected to produce results we as blind people can see. However, Apple can at least require that the controls on all apps be accessible to Voiceover. Apple should complete its accessible commitment by changing the mindset of its partners to provide the maximum usability possible for blind people. All too often apps go in and out of being accessible to us. There is no reason for this. Apple could fix this problem easily. By doing so it would show to us and the world its true commitment to accessibility at all levels. To put it another way, it really isn't enough to make its own device work for us, but it also should insure that we can keep up by having the most possible access to the apps that run on its devices. Having guidelines and suggestions has proven not to be enough. Apple should work with blind people to create better standards for app access. Apple is the gate keeper for apps through the App Store. It has, I believe, the obligation to insure the maximum possible access for those apps. Best, Michael Hingson The Michael Hingson Group, INC. Speaking with Vision Michael Hingson, President (415) 827-4084 i...@michaelhingson.com To order Michael Hingson's new book, Thunder Dog, and check on Michael Hingson's speaking availability for your next event please visit: www.michaelhingson.com To purchase your own portrait of Roselle painted by the world's foremost animal artist, Ron Burns, please visit http://www.ronburns.com/roselle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: iTunes asking for password randomly
I've run into that issue a few times. Kind of annoying for sure, but it's always just gone away as a problem after a few days. I have the sense it came after iOS upgrades, but am not confident about that. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Regina Alvarado Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 8:09 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: iTunes asking for password randomly Does anyone know how to stop iTunes from asking me to sign in at all kinds of random times? I have signed in with my password and all is well until it asks me again with no real pattern I can discern as of yet. Thanks for help in advance. Reggie and Allegra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Using a Wifi and Cellular Ipad without a Sim Card
I ask the same question should I go for a wifi cellular model but that is unlikely. Thanks for any responses. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 14:35, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List,this is related to the discussion about using an Iphone without a sim card, to which the anser was yes you can use it without a sim card but you need one to activate it at the beginning. This makes sense as it is a phone after all but what about a wifi and cellular ipad? What if you like the idea of having cellular as an option for the future but to start off with you want to just use it on wifi. Do you need a dummy sim card to activate it? Also,can you use the same apple wireless keyboard for two or more Idevices and If fso how is this managed. Many Thanks, Lee -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 5:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? Ok, go to American Printing House for the Blind, www.aph.org and check out their braille android phone. I believe the cost is around $4000. It is a phone specifically developed for the blind. It's specific functions work well for the blind. You have your wish answered. Enjoy your $4000 Android phone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:40, sen...@gmail.com wrote: This is very frustrating. Hordes of emails have circulated with the many shortcomings of IOS7. Many bugss and shortcomings that have appeared in ver 7 that were not in IOS6. It becomes very frustrating when even the basic phone functions are compromised. 1. Ending calls is a pain. Countless times
Re: iTunes asking for password randomly
Just an Apple fluke I guess. Sorry for the one liner but can't think of any other reason. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 14:08, Regina Alvarado wrote: Does anyone know how to stop iTunes from asking me to sign in at all kinds of random times? I have signed in with my password and all is well until it asks me again with no real pattern I can discern as of yet. Thanks for help in advance. Reggie and Allegra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Test, and questions
Hello Tessa, Your messages are getting through to the list. I, for one, have never downloaded an entire album from iTunes Store. I'm an Amazon MP3 man. I did purchase a couple of episodes of the Twilight zone on my iPHone 4, last year or so and it has been a pain in the you-know-what to keep the files from reverting their meta data to the original configuration. Now, of course, in the new iOS, if one does not change the settings, one can see everything they've ever purchased. This does not answer your question but rest assured that you're not the only one having some concerns about transferring media from one device to another. I'm certain there are many on the list who are well qualified to answer your question. As for me, I prefer to purchase from Amazon and then import into iTunes. Mark -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tessa Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Test, and questions Hi: I'm wondering if my questions are actually reaching the list, I get them back, but not a single responce, which is very unusual for this list. One question was about incomplete albums downloaded to my phone, I downloaded a large collection of christmas music and was told that 5 of the songs could not be downloaded at this time. I synced my phone with my computer and ended up with the incomplete album but now the rest of the songs have turned up on my phone and I don't know how to get the whole thing on to my computer. I know next to nothing about moving music around and playlists and such so very basic answers would be appreciated if anyone can help. Thanks Tessa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Yes, when nothing happens, the usual reaction is that we start getting worried. So, rather than waiting, we start moving our finger around the screen, then pressing the home button, then pressing the power button, then trying to trigger a reboot, all in the space of a few seconds; which feels like a few minutes to our heightened sense of anxiety. Numerous studies well-demonstrate that as we become anxious, time slows down, or our perception of time speeds up. In the ultimate panic attack, the amount of actual time that has passed is 5 to 10 seconds. However, the subjective time experienced by the person is reported as almost forever. In other words, no matter how much we know that a long time has passed, unless we have independent confirmation whilst in this state of heightened anxiety, we absolutely cannot and must not trust our own perception of how much actual time has passed, because it is most probably wrong. Also, we automatically have the sense that doing something, anything at all, is better than doing nothing. Doing something gives us the false perception that we are in control, and when anxiety is building, we desperately need to believe that we are in control. So, in our attempt to convince ourselves that we are actually in control, rather than at the mercy of the technology which is silently attempting to correct an internal error (which happens to all high-tech devices by the way), we start flooding the device with commands which start overloading the system that is already in the process of attempting to correct itself. What we should do is, once we automatically touch the device to see if it is responding and get no feedback from slowly moving a finger across the screen is, take our hands away from the device, force ourselves to take three deep breaths, each one slower than the one before, and then slowly count to 15. Do this counting in your mind, or even aloud if you are alone, by thinking or saying, one one-thousand, two one-thousand, ... Fifteen. All of this forces the anxious mind into some structure which helps the anxiety keep from going into a panicky spin. Oh, it also gives the technology, whether it be iOS device, computer, Android device, and so forth, the chance to correct itself rather than going into a completely overloaded state where the only solution is to reset the device. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 4:46, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: I was interested in this post, since I didn't realise how this worked. My only comment is that quite often you don't understand that VO has crashed until you start feeling around the screen! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 11 Nov 2013, at 02:13 am, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo, The occasional occurrences of VO suddenly becoming silent for a little while appears to be iOS resetting its memory. In most cases, if you wait 15 to 30 seconds, VO comes back on and says Voice Over Ready. This means, VO had to be restarted. I remember when iOS 6 came out and VO would sometimes crash. Apple has improved the system now such that, when VO crashes, for what ever reason, it automatically restarts if you leave the system alone for a little while. Why is leaving the system alone so important? A sighted friend explained it to me. In iOS hierarchy, touching the screen takes precedence over almost every other task. Therefore, when you start touching and moving your finger around the nonresponsive screen, this distracts iOS and may block VO from restarting; thereby necessitating rebooting your iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people saying the same thing. It happened before? No, it didn't. Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that
iPhone Conference
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Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
What's verbosity David! I hadn't expected such a lengthy answer! I will try to remember that if I crash again… Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 11 Nov 2013, at 05:16 pm, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, when nothing happens, the usual reaction is that we start getting worried. So, rather than waiting, we start moving our finger around the screen, then pressing the home button, then pressing the power button, then trying to trigger a reboot, all in the space of a few seconds; which feels like a few minutes to our heightened sense of anxiety. Numerous studies well-demonstrate that as we become anxious, time slows down, or our perception of time speeds up. In the ultimate panic attack, the amount of actual time that has passed is 5 to 10 seconds. However, the subjective time experienced by the person is reported as almost forever. In other words, no matter how much we know that a long time has passed, unless we have independent confirmation whilst in this state of heightened anxiety, we absolutely cannot and must not trust our own perception of how much actual time has passed, because it is most probably wrong. Also, we automatically have the sense that doing something, anything at all, is better than doing nothing. Doing something gives us the false perception that we are in control, and when anxiety is building, we desperately need to believe that we are in control. So, in our attempt to convince ourselves that we are actually in control, rather than at the mercy of the technology which is silently attempting to correct an internal error (which happens to all high-tech devices by the way), we start flooding the device with commands which start overloading the system that is already in the process of attempting to correct itself. What we should do is, once we automatically touch the device to see if it is responding and get no feedback from slowly moving a finger across the screen is, take our hands away from the device, force ourselves to take three deep breaths, each one slower than the one before, and then slowly count to 15. Do this counting in your mind, or even aloud if you are alone, by thinking or saying, one one-thousand, two one-thousand, ... Fifteen. All of this forces the anxious mind into some structure which helps the anxiety keep from going into a panicky spin. Oh, it also gives the technology, whether it be iOS device, computer, Android device, and so forth, the chance to correct itself rather than going into a completely overloaded state where the only solution is to reset the device. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 4:46, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote: I was interested in this post, since I didn't realise how this worked. My only comment is that quite often you don't understand that VO has crashed until you start feeling around the screen! Carol P Sent from my iPhone using MBraille On 11 Nov 2013, at 02:13 am, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo, The occasional occurrences of VO suddenly becoming silent for a little while appears to be iOS resetting its memory. In most cases, if you wait 15 to 30 seconds, VO comes back on and says Voice Over Ready. This means, VO had to be restarted. I remember when iOS 6 came out and VO would sometimes crash. Apple has improved the system now such that, when VO crashes, for what ever reason, it automatically restarts if you leave the system alone for a little while. Why is leaving the system alone so important? A sighted friend explained it to me. In iOS hierarchy, touching the screen takes precedence over almost every other task. Therefore, when you start touching and moving your finger around the nonresponsive screen, this distracts iOS and may block VO from restarting; thereby necessitating rebooting your iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 11 Nov 2013, at 12:41, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard, what are you talking about? So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is abusing when they decrees the quality of a product? For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not every body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough people getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list, several times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs? No, it didn't. Now VO says after the screen is locked, Screen lockedand seconds or minutes later, VO repeats the message. It happened before? No, it didn't. When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish the phone call? No, it is not, is not one people getting this
Re: Touch typing in IOS7
Thanks Jen! I knew there was a simple solution, I just couldn't find it... Thanks for helping me find it! Brian M On 11/10/13, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: If you go into an edit field such as search, then use your roter to get to typing mode then flick up or down to get to touch typing. Hope this helps, Jenn Sent from my iPad On Nov 10, 2013, at 8:48 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning all, Can anyone tell me how I can set up touch typing in IOS7? I can't find it anywhere... Is it no longer an option? Thanks, Brian Miller Alexandria, VA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure accessibility is up to par. In my opinion, this model works. It’s the best model out there so far actually. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Michael Hingson i...@michaelhingson.com wrote: Hi, I agree with the comments made here concerning Apple as opposed to the other phones on the market. Apple has done quite a lot to make its phone work for blind people and today leads the accessibility race by a wide margin. In part, iPhones are accessible because blind people made it happen. Not everyone knows, for example, that the National Federation, fresh off defeating Target in an accessibility law suit, turned its sights to Apple as that company was not doing anything to make accessibility happen. Apple came through without litigation and today we see the results. However, what I do believe we have a right to demand is some movement on Apple's part to make accessibility more of a fact and mindset within the minds of its partners. Apple should create minimum accessibility standards for ALL apps in the App Store. True, many apps are sight oriented and will not and cannot be expected to produce results we as
Re: Test, and questions
If you are using iTunes on your computer, iTunes Store will automatically let you download the music directly to your computer so long as you are using the same ID. If you got the music onto your iPhone through some other means, this option would most likely not be available to you. Before making any more suggestions, I would require more specific information. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 0:24, Tessa tessa...@tbaytel.net wrote: Hi: I'm wondering if my questions are actually reaching the list, I get them back, but not a single responce, which is very unusual for this list. One question was about incomplete albums downloaded to my phone, I downloaded a large collection of christmas music and was told that 5 of the songs could not be downloaded at this time. I synced my phone with my computer and ended up with the incomplete album but now the rest of the songs have turned up on my phone and I don't know how to get the whole thing on to my computer. I know next to nothing about moving music around and playlists and such so very basic answers would be appreciated if anyone can help. Thanks Tessa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure accessibility is up to par. In my opinion, this model works. It’s the best model out there so far actually. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Michael Hingson i...@michaelhingson.com wrote: Hi, I agree with the comments made here concerning Apple as opposed to the other phones on the market. Apple has done quite a lot to make its phone work for blind people and today leads the accessibility race by a wide margin. In part, iPhones are accessible because blind people made it happen. Not everyone knows, for example, that the National Federation, fresh off defeating Target in an accessibility law suit, turned its sights to Apple as that company was not doing anything to make accessibility happen. Apple
Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
Yes, any plug to USB charger will work. Some USB wall chargers, for the US power system, have prongs which can flip down into the charger. I have a couple of these that came with motorola devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:49, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Verizon problem: cannot dial out
Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Hey Guys! I was having a rough day. I had got a number of text messages with phone numbers that I had to call but could not courtesy Apple. Then I called my girl friend and thought had ended the call. She heard what I was talking with my buddy. So that was a mess. Then I made a long distance call and thought i had ended it. I had not! Got charged 38 dollars for it! Then I was trying to buy am airline ticket but could not fill the form completely, spent 25 minutes. At the end I had bought a ticket for the wrong day and wrong time. Worse. The ticket was non refundable. It was after all this that I started writing to the List. I was venting. I thought I would get some sympathy. Some suggestions. And instead what do I get? No compassion. Just some smart alecs saying that they never had the problem I had. Or that I should not complain. Man! Help reduce list traffic. If you cannot give help to a fellow lister, then just stay mum. No neede to increase traffic by saying that you do not experience the problem. That does not help anyone. No need to sermonize. This list is for persons to share their problems and to get help. It is not to ridicule anyone. If you cannot help, stay quiet. Compassion, patience and understanding. This is not the wild west. No need to shoot the guy who does not agree with your views. Just ignore it, if you cannot help. And a big THANK YOU to all those who understood me and let me vent :) love you guys :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
Michael I don't agree with what you are suggesting. Why should Apple force a program which is of no use to the blind be forced to implaent accessibility features? On 11/11/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure accessibility is up to par. In my opinion, this model works. It’s the best model out there so far actually. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Michael Hingson i...@michaelhingson.com wrote: Hi, I agree with the comments made here concerning Apple as opposed to the other phones on the market. Apple has done quite a lot to make its phone work for blind people and today leads the accessibility race by a wide margin. In part, iPhones are accessible because
Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out
What this message means, if I remember the US system correctly, is the phone is unable to receive any signal from your carrier's tower, so it is accessing any available tower. By law, all carrier's towers must transmit emergency calls for free. Therefore, you are being told that you can make an emergency call to 911 if necessary. Otherwise, you do not have cellular coverage at this time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
David and all? where can I get the charger you have mentioned? Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 19:10, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, any plug to USB charger will work. Some USB wall chargers, for the US power system, have prongs which can flip down into the charger. I have a couple of these that came with motorola devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:49, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Actually, it does help to say you are not experiencing a given problem. Not only does this tell people what to expect if, say, they haven’t upgraded to some new version, but it lets you know that maybe the problem is not in the phone. For instance, when I first got my iPhone, Voiceover would always speak notifications, and then do it again a few minutes later. I wrote to a list about the problem, only to be told that it was not a bug at all, just a couple settings I should adjust. Or, what about problems that only affect certain models of devices? If people chime in as to whether or not they have the problem, it lets us find common denominators, which can help Apple to know where to look. I can understand venting after a day of technology seeming to fail. However, when people started pointing to your specific, mostly non-reproduceable problems and saying that they are proof that Apple is horrible and all that, then I have a problem. On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:15 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys! I was having a rough day. I had got a number of text messages with phone numbers that I had to call but could not courtesy Apple. Then I called my girl friend and thought had ended the call. She heard what I was talking with my buddy. So that was a mess. Then I made a long distance call and thought i had ended it. I had not! Got charged 38 dollars for it! Then I was trying to buy am airline ticket but could not fill the form completely, spent 25 minutes. At the end I had bought a ticket for the wrong day and wrong time. Worse. The ticket was non refundable. It was after all this that I started writing to the List. I was venting. I thought I would get some sympathy. Some suggestions. And instead what do I get? No compassion. Just some smart alecs saying that they never had the problem I had. Or that I should not complain. Man! Help reduce list traffic. If you cannot give help to a fellow lister, then just stay mum. No neede to increase traffic by saying that you do not experience the problem. That does not help anyone. No need to sermonize. This list is for persons to share their problems and to get help. It is not to ridicule anyone. If you cannot help, stay quiet. Compassion, patience and understanding. This is not the wild west. No need to shoot the guy who does not agree with your views. Just ignore it, if you cannot help. And a big THANK YOU to all those who understood me and let me vent :) love you guys :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out
Well yes, I kind of figured it was something like that. But what would be causing it and is there anything I can do about it? I am in a city, not in a rural area so it isn't that I'm somewhere where there shouldn't be any available towers. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:26 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: What this message means, if I remember the US system correctly, is the phone is unable to receive any signal from your carrier's tower, so it is accessing any available tower. By law, all carrier's towers must transmit emergency calls for free. Therefore, you are being told that you can make an emergency call to 911 if necessary. Otherwise, you do not have cellular coverage at this time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
I would try stores such as Radio Shack. Like I said, I received the chargers as part of motorola product packages. I no longer reside in the US, so cannot say directly who may sell such chargers. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:30, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: David and all? where can I get the charger you have mentioned? Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 19:10, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, any plug to USB charger will work. Some USB wall chargers, for the US power system, have prongs which can flip down into the charger. I have a couple of these that came with motorola devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:49, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out
The only thing I can think of doing about it is to call your cellular provider using your land line and reporting the lack of signal. This will notify them of the necessity of getting a technician out to fix the tower. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:31, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Well yes, I kind of figured it was something like that. But what would be causing it and is there anything I can do about it? I am in a city, not in a rural area so it isn't that I'm somewhere where there shouldn't be any available towers. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:26 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: What this message means, if I remember the US system correctly, is the phone is unable to receive any signal from your carrier's tower, so it is accessing any available tower. By law, all carrier's towers must transmit emergency calls for free. Therefore, you are being told that you can make an emergency call to 911 if necessary. Otherwise, you do not have cellular coverage at this time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting
Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out
Hello Cheryl, I also live in the city and I've had this issue before it normally happens when the towers are down. So the only thing she can do is reported to Verizon. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Well yes, I kind of figured it was something like that. But what would be causing it and is there anything I can do about it? I am in a city, not in a rural area so it isn't that I'm somewhere where there shouldn't be any available towers. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:26 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: What this message means, if I remember the US system correctly, is the phone is unable to receive any signal from your carrier's tower, so it is accessing any available tower. By law, all carrier's towers must transmit emergency calls for free. Therefore, you are being told that you can make an emergency call to 911 if necessary. Otherwise, you do not have cellular coverage at this time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
In addition, this list is for us to help each other resolve problems we are having. So, writing to the list is implying you are having a problem with the technology, not implying you are merely venting your frustrations. As to your iPhone not disconnecting, twice, this tells me you want to activate the practice area and practice your two-finger double tap. If your fingers are too close together, it is detected as one finger. A single-finger double tap is a very different command from a two-finger double tap. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:29, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, it does help to say you are not experiencing a given problem. Not only does this tell people what to expect if, say, they haven’t upgraded to some new version, but it lets you know that maybe the problem is not in the phone. For instance, when I first got my iPhone, Voiceover would always speak notifications, and then do it again a few minutes later. I wrote to a list about the problem, only to be told that it was not a bug at all, just a couple settings I should adjust. Or, what about problems that only affect certain models of devices? If people chime in as to whether or not they have the problem, it lets us find common denominators, which can help Apple to know where to look. I can understand venting after a day of technology seeming to fail. However, when people started pointing to your specific, mostly non-reproduceable problems and saying that they are proof that Apple is horrible and all that, then I have a problem. On Nov 11, 2013, at 1:15 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Guys! I was having a rough day. I had got a number of text messages with phone numbers that I had to call but could not courtesy Apple. Then I called my girl friend and thought had ended the call. She heard what I was talking with my buddy. So that was a mess. Then I made a long distance call and thought i had ended it. I had not! Got charged 38 dollars for it! Then I was trying to buy am airline ticket but could not fill the form completely, spent 25 minutes. At the end I had bought a ticket for the wrong day and wrong time. Worse. The ticket was non refundable. It was after all this that I started writing to the List. I was venting. I thought I would get some sympathy. Some suggestions. And instead what do I get? No compassion. Just some smart alecs saying that they never had the problem I had. Or that I should not complain. Man! Help reduce list traffic. If you cannot give help to a fellow lister, then just stay mum. No neede to increase traffic by saying that you do not experience the problem. That does not help anyone. No need to sermonize. This list is for persons to share their problems and to get help. It is not to ridicule anyone. If you cannot help, stay quiet. Compassion, patience and understanding. This is not the wild west. No need to shoot the guy who does not agree with your views. Just ignore it, if you cannot help. And a big THANK YOU to all those who understood me and let me vent :) love you guys :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
I don't think this is what you're saying, but I think we need to be careful here. Accessibility isn't something that were given as a charity and something we should feel grateful for when someone provides it. Accessibility is a right that we should be demanding. Of course, we should be positive and cooperative when someone is working towards accessibility, but we shouldn't just accept whatever comes our way. For example, We shouldn't settle for Mobile Accessibility on Windows Phone 8 and stop pressing Microsoft for greater access to Windows Phone 8 just because they were kind enough to toss us this accessible scrap. It's also a fact that there are accessibility related bugs in IOS 7. People should be bringing these up on list and reporting them to Apple. There may be cases when one person's bug is another person's feature and one person's reporting of an issue is whining to someone else. I don't think accusations of whining and complaining should keep people from mentioning perceived bugs and issues they're having with IOS. I too get frustrated with what I see as people's whining, but I'm hesitant to say where that line should be drawn, and I think we should be careful when we chastise someone for being spoiled and whining. Like I said, we want people talking about the issues they're having with their iPhones because as good as the Iphone is, it could still be better and it could definitely get worse if Apple feels it has to redirect resources away from accessibility and towards other critical projects. On 11/11/2013 02:04 AM, BBS wrote: John and Sieghard, I agree with you guys completely. Like it says in my Skype mood message, some blind people are so spoiled. And it’s true, because look at this thread. We should be lucky that Apple is giving us a pretty good screen reader. I’m just tired of reading threads about people bitching and complaining about Apple not living up to their standards. Even on the Mac list we have people demanding that Apple do this and do that to make Voiceover live up to their standards. I’m tired of this. I think if I find another post about this thread, I’m gonna hit the delete button because that is my friend of course. I’ll just end off by saying if you don’t like Apple, sell your Mac and your iPhone and go to Windows and Android. Now that my rant’s over, Regina, I have an iPhone 4S and I’m not experiencing any wifi issues. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:17 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Sieghard put it well. I am very tired of listening to people complaining about their phones and the problems they are having. If you are so unhappy with Apple or your IPhone sell it and buy an android phone. For the vast majority of the blind people using this technology it works quite well. Yes their are bugs but they exist with all technology products. At least with the IPhone we have the option to upgrade when a new version of their software comes out. We are not at the mercy of the phone carriers or manufacturers as to whether they will let us upgrade. All in all this technology works well. It has provided us the ability to do much more with our phones than we thought possible just a few short years ago. On 11/10/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread. The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time tracking in Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, many of the forms VO struggles with are also extremely difficult on the computer. They have quite a bit to do with newer web technologies. Other places where VO struggles appear to not move the visual page on the display as one flicks through the form using right flicks. When the button or edit box is not on the visual screen, it will not activate with a double or even, triple tap. However, there is a work-around that works for most websites I have tried. Physically find the edit field and hold your finger on it. This locks it on the visual display. Split-tap with another finger and the edit box is locked in with the keyboard. Because of rapid screen refreshes, it may be impossible to then flick to the next edit field. In this case, locate the done button above the o and p letters on the keyboard and double-tap it. This releases the edit field and one can now locate the next edit field. Follow the same procedure. When finished with the form, locate the continue, submit, or otherly worded button and split-tap it. again, as I previously stated, because of the newer web technologies, many of these complex new web technologies are also complicated, if not impossible, for computer-based screen readers. In Apple's favour, I have been able to access some forms on my iPhone using the above procedure, which people on certain lists have stated that Jaws cannot access on Windows and IE 10. As for Talks and Nokia, the person can always go to the newest
RE: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
Maria, It probably would be a good idea to mention that you are in Slovakia when you ask for product recommendations and suggestions where you can buy particular products. I can't tell you either where you can buy a charger except that you should be able to do so at any electronics store and probably also at many computer stores. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please. I would try stores such as Radio Shack. Like I said, I received the chargers as part of motorola product packages. I no longer reside in the US, so cannot say directly who may sell such chargers. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:30, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: David and all? where can I get the charger you have mentioned? Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 19:10, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, any plug to USB charger will work. Some USB wall chargers, for the US power system, have prongs which can flip down into the charger. I have a couple of these that came with motorola devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:49, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by
Re: How to edit a folder title
What do you mean the old system of doing a double tap and hold seems to work but does not? It still works on my iPhone 4S running IOS 7.0.3. On 11/11/2013 09:38 AM, Tom Frank wrote: First, open the folder. Then swipe to the right and then back left to the folder name. Do a single tap and hold. You should then be able to edit the folder name and, it looks like though I have not tried it, to edit all of the app names in the folder. I believe this is a change with IOS 7, but again, am not certain. The old, double tap and hold, system, seems to work but does not. Frustrating, isn't it? Tom Frank vermont...@gmail.com mailto:vermont...@gmail.com On Nov 8, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Jeff Samco jsa...@jps.net mailto:jsa...@jps.net wrote: I'm using an iPhone 4 with iOS 7.0.3 and VoiceOver. Since upgrading to iOS 7 this is the first time I've tried to edit the name I previously gave to a folder. I'm opening the folder and focussing on the folder name which is announced as an edit box. But there is no tip announce as double tap to edit. When I do double tap the folder closes and I'm back to the main app home screen. What am I missing here? Thanks, Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
Hello all, I just thought I would buy the charger from Ebay, but I don't know whether it is safe enough to buy chargers there since they are sold by sellers from different countries and another reason is that I am not sure it fits to the power outlet we have in Slovakia. Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 20:02, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Maria, It probably would be a good idea to mention that you are in Slovakia when you ask for product recommendations and suggestions where you can buy particular products. I can't tell you either where you can buy a charger except that you should be able to do so at any electronics store and probably also at many computer stores. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please. I would try stores such as Radio Shack. Like I said, I received the chargers as part of motorola product packages. I no longer reside in the US, so cannot say directly who may sell such chargers. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:30, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: David and all? where can I get the charger you have mentioned? Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 19:10, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, any plug to USB charger will work. Some USB wall chargers, for the US power system, have prongs which can flip down into the charger. I have a couple of these that came with motorola devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:49, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Rotor Query
You can change the order of items in your roter by going into Settings - General - Accessibility - VoiceOver On - Roter. Whether items show up in your roter is context sensitive, so for example you won't see the headings or links option if you're not in an app that has headings or links. Ditto for the Actions option which will only show up in apps, like the Mail app, where this roter option is supported. The Paste option is in the Edit options, so you'll have to twist the roter to Edit and then flick up or down for Paste. Note the Paste option will only show up if you're in an edit field and you have something in your clipboard to paste. VoiceOver might be able to do a better job of this, but I think it's already pretty good at knowing what I want in the roter based on context. On 11/11/2013 09:23 AM, Lee Jones wrote: Dear List if turning the rotor changes the effects of up and down flicks then isn't there a conflict with the actions menu which also uses up and down flicks? How does it know when you want delete etc or headings etc.In ee-mails I have read things like turn your rotor to paste, or make sure your rotor is on actions. I can't find actions or paste in my rotor. Is there another rotor other than the standard one. Also is it possible to vary what is at the top of your rotor by contexts, e.g. links at the top in webpages,typing mode at the top in text fields. I don't think this is possible but I just want to check before I put in a feature request to apple, as turning through lots of rotor options is a bit slow I want them all on there but it would be better if it could be better at predicting what options I might want based on where the voice over focus is. Many Thanks, Lee Many Thanks, Lee Many Thanks, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aser Tolentino Sent: 11 November 2013 11:40 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously? That's a fair bit of hyperbole: iOS4 only ever got up to 4.35 and no iOS since has gone beyond a variant of x.1. The way Apple does these things appears to have changed, much like Android in the last two years in the far less incremental introduction of features, as much for the psychological impact as attendant promotion of stability it seems. As flippant as it usually sounds, it's a feature not a bug, often seems to be the correct interpretation of many of people's complaints. Human engineering is tricky, since it often involves shaping or accounting for people's behavior without them being aware of it. I for one have gotten quite used to iOS 7. And things people complain about like the change in the now playing info have actually come in handy. The approach of trying to figure out why things have changed I think is far preferable to the assumption that something has gone wrong. Of course, Apple explaining all of these things would be even better; but as the incomplete accessibility implementation on things like iBooks in OSX 10.9 tends to suggest, components of OS development are likely working down to the wire and so that is just another thing that members of the accessibility team think would be nice to have, like being able to see more of their families or get a full night's sleep. Sorry for the rant, but I hate to think how often something someone thought about and worked hard on prompts people to write in and loudly and indignantly proclaim it's broken and demand a fix, rather than simply, and maybe even politely, report their difficulty and express their preference for how things used to be. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:52, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote: I observe that we are still on 7.0.3, the bit of interest being the 0. I think 4 got up to 4.5.something, can't remember what 6 got up to; 6.1.3, I still have it; so no Major updates yet, 7.1 should clear all the current issues, so long as they don't introduce new ones. RobH, waiting for the new version dust to settle. - Original Message - From: Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:22 AM Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously? Or one can wait a while and IOS 7 will get better. IOS 6 started with bugs and ended up butterflies because each update included fixes and improvements. I'll bet that was true of the $4,000 Android phone as well. After all it depends on the Android operating system which is relatively new to accessibility and shows it. I can easily recall picking up the phone, dialing the operator, and telling her the long distance number I wanted to reach and waiting while she connected me. We tended to hold our analog watches where we could see them because the long distance charges per minute could quickly mount into serious money. For me, I think IOS 7 is really greatsmile! Regards, Wayne -Original Message-
Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out
Yes, that is right. I used my almost-nver-used landline, which just payed for itself, and called verizon. After some testing and trying, we decided that my phones are a part of a market with tower problems right now. I thought it might be that since both of my phones were having the same problem. Thanks. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:38 PM, Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cheryl, I also live in the city and I've had this issue before it normally happens when the towers are down. So the only thing she can do is reported to Verizon. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7...@yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Well yes, I kind of figured it was something like that. But what would be causing it and is there anything I can do about it? I am in a city, not in a rural area so it isn't that I'm somewhere where there shouldn't be any available towers. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:26 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: What this message means, if I remember the US system correctly, is the phone is unable to receive any signal from your carrier's tower, so it is accessing any available tower. By law, all carrier's towers must transmit emergency calls for free. Therefore, you are being told that you can make an emergency call to 911 if necessary. Otherwise, you do not have cellular coverage at this time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their iDevices. We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. Best Wishes, TapTapSee On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote: HI John and All, While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not quite accurate. As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take the idea of asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very seriously. So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and that service depends on both the quality of said images which are submitted, and also the information about those images which is returned to the customer. Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited by this app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. I do think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take these to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown. I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need this app will find useful, convenient and affordable. I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities for just this type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to power this app so that you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you use so that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important for the visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for necessary services. I.E. either products or services being basically handed out for nothing or way over-priced. Anyway, knowing about the products and services you need is very easy currently so here now, is the link to Mechanical Turk, check it out! :) Have an awesome night / weekend and linkie is below! Smiles, Cara :) http://aws.amazon.com/mturk/faqs/ On Nov 9, 2013, at 9:01 PM, John
Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please.
Won't Apple still sell the charger for the 4 as it also works with the 4s and the 3gs matter of fact. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 19:08, Mária Orovčíková wrote: Hello all, I just thought I would buy the charger from Ebay, but I don't know whether it is safe enough to buy chargers there since they are sold by sellers from different countries and another reason is that I am not sure it fits to the power outlet we have in Slovakia. Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 20:02, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Maria, It probably would be a good idea to mention that you are in Slovakia when you ask for product recommendations and suggestions where you can buy particular products. I can't tell you either where you can buy a charger except that you should be able to do so at any electronics store and probably also at many computer stores. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Looking for Iphone 4 charger, please. I would try stores such as Radio Shack. Like I said, I received the chargers as part of motorola product packages. I no longer reside in the US, so cannot say directly who may sell such chargers. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:30, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: David and all? where can I get the charger you have mentioned? Thanks. Maria On 11.11.2013 19:10, David Chittenden wrote: Yes, any plug to USB charger will work. Some USB wall chargers, for the US power system, have prongs which can flip down into the charger. I have a couple of these that came with motorola devices. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:49, Mária Orovčíková maria.orovcik...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, please does anyone know if there is a smaller iphone 4 charger available so that I can put it in my pocket/purse/fannypack and take it with me when I am travelling somewhere? Of course, I have regular iphone charger, but it happened many times I forgot it at home. I also have external battery, so I can use it when there is no power, but I want something small I can always carry with me and I can plug it to the power outlet to charge my iphone. Thank you for your help in advance. With kind regards Maria -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tap Tap See
Clearly, Christopher, you don't understand the difference. You are comparing apples to oranges. DVD Audio Extractor nor Tivo incur any costs when you extract audio from one of your DVD's or record a movie. All that activity takes place locally, it doesn't matter to them whether you extract one or a thousand DVD's. They don't have any additional costs whether you are a light or heavy user of their program. The only thing they are providing you are free software updates when an update is released. Provisioning this to an existing user is not really incurring an added cost to them, except for you getting the program from their server, I suppose. The update enhances the program and hopefully makes it marketable to new buyers, which is where they derive their continued revenue growth. This is not the same model as TTS App uses. In the case of Tap Tap See, every time you send a picture to them, they are incurring a cost to have someone identify it. Therefore, if you recognize a thousand pictures, you are costing them a hundred times as much as someone who only recognizes ten pictures with it. Steve - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: Tap Tap See There are plenty of business models where paying a one time fee goes towards supporting an ongoing service. I paid a one time fee for DVD Audio Extractor and now I get updates and support for life. You can purchase TiVo for life with a one time fee. I paid a one time fee for my iPhone and now I get updates to IOS for no charge. I don't use this MLB app, but I'm not sure there aren't ongoing costs, such as support, upgrades, licensing fees and so on. I suspect that it's a combination of the high cost of image recognition combined with the relatively low volume of sales such an app targeted at the blind would generate. On 11/10/2013 11:14 AM, Steve wrote: I wish someone would put a stop to this insanity. This is a free market, you folks have a choice. Pay the price, or don't use a very useful app. Only a few people seem to understand that the developer has to pay the people that recognize the images on a per-image basis. Therefore, paying a one=-time fee for the app has nothing to do with a reasonable pricing model in this case. It is not the same as paying for a season's access on MLB where there are no ongoing costs once you pay for the app. Also, I take issue with another comment about other developers taking the blind into consideration in their image recognition program. As far as I can tell, that particular program requires the assistance of a sighted person to set up a database, so this is in no way at all comparable to what Tap Tap See is doing. Of course, your other option is VizWiz, but it is all dependent on the type of quality response you get and how long you are willing to wait before getting a response from volunteers. As economist Milton Friedman famously said There ain't no such thing as a free lunch. Personally, I don't use Tap Tap See that often, so I am going to be paying for 100 pictures because it is responsive and generally accurate. I do hope they can add either some checkboxes or a textbox to help us tailor the response we get from the Terks. Steve - Original Message - From: Peter Logan To: Vi Phone Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:35 AM Subject: Tap Tap See It saddens me that the developers have decided to move to what I consider to be price gouging, just my opinion. It also amazes me that this community doesn’t seem to mind this time. However, wen the Seeing Eye GPS came out with their model many on this list were outraged. Am I in no way asking for something to be free, however if you are a heavy user of the product and go with the monthly subscription, you will be paying $120/year, as far as I know that would be the highest price of any blindness specific app. I would have rather they just go with a $4.99 or even $6.99 price for the app and call it good. My most used app, MLB At Bat only cost $19.99/year and I use that multiple times every day. I would have rather seen a yearly subscription in that range. Hopefully they will reconsider the pricing model in the future. It is an awesome product, however I believe it could be priced better. Thanks for listening. Peter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
Exactly. Would love to play Candy Crush, Pet Rescue Saga and all that, but to be honest they cannot be made accessible due to the nature of the games. Am jealous of my sighted peers though grin. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 18:16, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: Michael I don't agree with what you are suggesting. Why should Apple force a program which is of no use to the blind be forced to implaent accessibility features? On 11/11/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure accessibility is up to par. In my opinion, this model works. It’s the best model out there so far actually. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Michael Hingson i...@michaelhingson.com wrote: Hi, I agree with the comments made here
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
In some ways I'm jealous but at the same time I''m glad since I would be wasting to much time playing games. On 11/11/13, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. Would love to play Candy Crush, Pet Rescue Saga and all that, but to be honest they cannot be made accessible due to the nature of the games. Am jealous of my sighted peers though grin. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 18:16, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: Michael I don't agree with what you are suggesting. Why should Apple force a program which is of no use to the blind be forced to implaent accessibility features? On 11/11/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure accessibility is up to par. In my opinion, this model works. It’s the
Re: Tap Tap See
True, and you're not the first person to tell me how clear it is that I miss the obvious. A few subtle distinctions though. I was responding to people who were making blanket statements that you can't support on going costs with a one time fee business model. DVD Audio Extractor does provide me upgrades and customer support at no charge. Obviously, they incur a request every time I contact customer support. TiVo does much more than provide the chance to record a movie. They provide access to an ever changing variety of streaming content. I would assume they have incurring costs with respect to interfacing with the various sources of content they provide. They also have incurring costs when it comes to keeping up with new users signing up for their service and accessing newly available content, such as maintaining the necessary network bandwidth, keeping up with server storage and so on. I'm sure if I watch TiVo for 100 hours a week, I'm putting more of a strain on their infrastructure than if I just watch TiVo 1 hour a week. I also wouldn't be surprised if they have to make licensing payments to their content providers based on customer usage. TiVo traditionally has a subscription service, like NetFlix for example, but they do or at least used to offer a lifetime flat price option. You're right, Tap Tap See incurs a cost every time someone sends them a picture, and there's probably no flat price that people could stomach that would give them the revenue from new users to keep up with the picture recognition demand, which is what I meant when I said it's not just that they have incurring costs but that those costs are relatively high and their number of new sales they can count on is relatively low. BTW, The scenario you point out can also happen with the monthly flat rate. If I pay $10 a month, Tap Tap See will incur a much greater cost to support me if I send in 1000 pictures then they will if I send in 100 pictures that month. They figure $10 a month will work for them though in spite of this. I suppose Tap Tap See could offer a $1000 price for a lifetime subscription, but it's probably not worth it to them to come up with a way to administer such a model for the few people that would actually pay this much up front for such a life time service. On 11/11/2013 01:50 PM, Steve wrote: Clearly, Christopher, you don't understand the difference. You are comparing apples to oranges. DVD Audio Extractor nor Tivo incur any costs when you extract audio from one of your DVD's or record a movie. All that activity takes place locally, it doesn't matter to them whether you extract one or a thousand DVD's. They don't have any additional costs whether you are a light or heavy user of their program. The only thing they are providing you are free software updates when an update is released. Provisioning this to an existing user is not really incurring an added cost to them, except for you getting the program from their server, I suppose. The update enhances the program and hopefully makes it marketable to new buyers, which is where they derive their continued revenue growth. This is not the same model as TTS App uses. In the case of Tap Tap See, every time you send a picture to them, they are incurring a cost to have someone identify it. Therefore, if you recognize a thousand pictures, you are costing them a hundred times as much as someone who only recognizes ten pictures with it. Steve - Original Message - *From:* Christopher Chaltain mailto:chalt...@gmail.com *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:03 PM *Subject:* Re: Tap Tap See There are plenty of business models where paying a one time fee goes towards supporting an ongoing service. I paid a one time fee for DVD Audio Extractor and now I get updates and support for life. You can purchase TiVo for life with a one time fee. I paid a one time fee for my iPhone and now I get updates to IOS for no charge. I don't use this MLB app, but I'm not sure there aren't ongoing costs, such as support, upgrades, licensing fees and so on. I suspect that it's a combination of the high cost of image recognition combined with the relatively low volume of sales such an app targeted at the blind would generate. On 11/10/2013 11:14 AM, Steve wrote: I wish someone would put a stop to this insanity. This is a free market, you folks have a choice. Pay the price, or don't use a very useful app. Only a few people seem to understand that the developer has to pay the people that recognize the images on a per-image basis. Therefore, paying a one=-time fee for the app has nothing to do with a reasonable pricing model in this case. It is not the same as paying for a season's access on MLB where there are no ongoing costs once you pay for the app. Also, I take issue with another comment about other developers taking the blind into consideration
Is there an accessible Hotmail app?
Hi all, As the subject asks, is there an app for Live Mail, Hotmail etc that is accessible? I could just try a few but thought asking the question first wouldn't hurt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Structuresof integers and controls
Hi all. I have a question. With vb.net is posible to declare one structure with controls like check boxes, and also integers? I am trying to link a number to a control. It is posible? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
No, buying credits means buying service from the app. The price of the app in the app store is free. Credits permit you to submit pictures if you do not want to pay the $9.95 subscription fee. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 8:37, Carol Forrester carol.l.forres...@me.com wrote: can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their iDevices. We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. Best Wishes, TapTapSee On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote: HI John and All, While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not quite accurate. As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take the idea of asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very seriously. So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and that service depends on both the quality of said images which are submitted, and also the information about those images which is returned to the customer. Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps to offer constructive tips and solutions for the population benefited by this app to educate VI people in how to take better / more usable images. I do think many suggestions offered here, in order to improve the user experience, are very good. So it's my hope that TapTapSee will take these to heart and implement them. I'm sure they will as they seem to be a responsive and caring company as their dialogue here has shown. I'm assuming they will also begin offering a subscription model for CamFind (which is also from the same company) as well which may also offset the operating costs of TapTapSee so perhaps the new pay model will be evolving over time to something that all of those who need this app will find useful, convenient and affordable. I'd also like to include a link below to Amazon Mechanical Turk, which offers a service for developers to access human capabilities for just this type of recognition. Now I'm not saying that this is the exact service that TapTapSee is offering but I am saying that this may give many users here some idea of what is happening behind the scenes to power this app so that you get your descriptions back from the images you send. I think it's always a good idea to know what is happening with what products you use so that you can be an educated consumer. This is especially important for the visually impaired in my opinion, as the community has unfortunately from time to time, seen both over and under inflated costs for necessary services. I.E. either products or
Zoom Question
Hi, When I do the three finger double tap to turn Zoom on can you make it bigger or is there only one size Zoom is? Thanks in advance Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Is there an accessible Hotmail app?
Well if you just want to use Hotmail set it up in the stock Mail app under settings. When adding an account choose outlook.com account. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 20:26, Dean Wilcox wrote: Hi all, As the subject asks, is there an app for Live Mail, Hotmail etc that is accessible? I could just try a few but thought asking the question first wouldn't hurt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Is there an accessible Hotmail app?
Sorry, but I'm not sure I understand your question. One accessible email client that works with Hot Mail is the native email client that comes with IOS. I don't use Hot Mail myself, but I found this link on setting up the native email client in IOS to work with Hot Mail: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1694 If there's a reason you want to avoid the native email client then maybe you can explain what you're looking for and then someone else could be a bit more helpful and specific. On 11/11/2013 02:26 PM, Dean Wilcox wrote: Hi all, As the subject asks, is there an app for Live Mail, Hotmail etc that is accessible? I could just try a few but thought asking the question first wouldn't hurt. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
Hi Carol, No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had to start charging or shut the service down completely. If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you send and receive a reply/description. If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or 1,000 pictures. The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could have done so for a lot less. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their iDevices. We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. Best Wishes, TapTapSee On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote: HI John and All, While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not quite accurate. As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself, Even though we do not have a pay model, like TapTapSee, we absolutely take the idea of asking the blind / VI people to take their own images very, very seriously. So in my opinion, yes, this is actually somewhat a developers responsibility, especially if these images are a paid service and that service depends on both the quality of said images which are submitted, and also the information about those images which is returned to the customer. Again this is my own opinion and I do think TapTapSee is taking steps to
RE: Is there an accessible Hotmail app?
Hi Dean, As Christopher pointed out, Hotmail works great with the native mail app. Just remember that Hotmail is now called Outlook.com and if you are running iOS 7 this change is reflected in the types of accounts you can pick from. Just make sure when you add your account that you pick Outlook.com as your account type, then enter your user name and password and that's it. After the connection is made you have the choice to turn on Mail, Contacts, Calendars and Reminders, I usually turn on the first 3 but I use iCloud for Reminders. On my PC I have Windows 7 and Office 2010 and if you are running Office 2003, 2007 or 2010 you can install the Outlook connector application from Microsoft and also set up your Outlook.com account in Outlook and mail, contacts and calendars will be synced between your computer and iPhone. If you have Office 2013 Outlook.com integration is built in and all you have to do is set up your account with your user name and password, the restis automatic. I personally find that Outlook.com works much better than gmail when it comes to keeping the account in sync between devices even though in iOS 7 gmail support now includes Contacts so at least you don't have to set up a separate CardDAV account to sync Google Contacts. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Wilcox Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there an accessible Hotmail app? Hi all, As the subject asks, is there an app for Live Mail, Hotmail etc that is accessible? I could just try a few but thought asking the question first wouldn't hurt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Is there a way to get around not being able to use the picker item in the bard app
Hi, I have the bard app installed on my phone and I know there is a problem getting the picker to work in the app, has anyone found a work around until there is an update. I want to search by subject but I can activate the picker and I get the first subject to come up but after that the app loses focus. Any help would be appreciated. Jen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Zoom Question
And do a three finger tap anywhere on the screen, do a three finger drag up and down to change magnification size. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net wrote: Hi, When I do the three finger double tap to turn Zoom on can you make it bigger or is there only one size Zoom is? Thanks in advance Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Where to? IOS navigation app is on sale today for $0.99 (November 11, 2013)
Hi All, Where To? is on sale today for $0.99 for a very limited time, reduced from $2.99. This is one of my favorite apps for POIs. I love the feature they added two years ago for VoiceOver users where you get live updating on direction and distance to a POI from the Details screen of the POI you selected from your search. Where To? was the first of the POI helper apps that let you send destination addresses directly to other navigation apps like Navigon, TomTom, Google Maps, Apple Maps, Motion X GPS Drive, Hop Stop, etc. (You can double tap the Navigate button for that POI to send the address to a routing app of your choice.) I also routinely use Where To? as a simple way to send addresses in my contacts to these navigation apps. While the search button on the main screen is meant to let you either search for a POI in your search area by name and/or address, or to input the location you want to search around, it's also set up so you can flick to a Bookmarks button in the input field, double tap, and access your Contacts in the normal way (including a table index at the right for faster access). If you select a contact with an address and double tap it, you also have the ability to send that address to a routing app by simply double tapping the Add button in the bottom right corner of the screen. (This is also the last element on the screen, so you can navigate there with a four finger tap on the bottom half of the screen, if you find that easier, then double tap to select it.). The Routing Apps screen will list any navigation apps on your device that can accept the address information, followed by a list of app store links to other navigation apps that will accept its addresses below that. Just flick to the Route button for the app you want and double tap, and that navigation app will launch with the address passed in. I find the POI selections and information from Where To? better than in Navigon and many other similar navigation apps, and the ability to send addresses from my contacts without typing in any addresses is also a plus. If you actually want to search for POIs around your contact address, instead of routing your address to a navigation app, just double tap again to get back to the main screen, since focus will be on the Back button, select your search category, and run your search. Your results will be shown for the search location address selected from your contacts. Switch to list viewing (list button just above the Home button at the bottom of the screen) for most convenient display mode. You also have the option of switching the language used for the app's screen, provided this is one of the languages in your language selection. For example, if I use this app in France or Quebec, I might want to have the search categories in French even if my iPhone is set to English. I can set this for Where To? in the main Settings app, by changing Categories from System Language to a specific language, like French. Works internationally, but most of East Asia, except for Japan, is not covered, and only parts of Africa, I think. Europe, North and South America, Australia, etc. are well covered. This is a great app. It usually only goes on sale for about a day. Here's the app store URL: • Where To? -- Discover your next destination using GPS (on sale for $0.99, usually $2.99) by FutureTap GmbH https://itunes.apple.com/nz/app/where-to-gps-points-interest/id314785156?mt=8 HTH. Cheers, Esther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Zoom Question
Hi, When I drag three finger up and down all I see it do on the screen is move it up and down. I don't seem to be able to get it to get bigger. Any suggestions on this matter. Ed From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pete Nalda Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Zoom Question And do a three finger tap anywhere on the screen, do a three finger drag up and down to change magnification size. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda MySpace.com/musikonalda Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter: @lpnalda On Nov 11, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net wrote: Hi, When I do the three finger double tap to turn Zoom on can you make it bigger or is there only one size Zoom is? Thanks in advance Ed -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tap-tap see... forgive me... purchasing question.
Jenifer, As David and Marianne mentioned, you will see a message pop up on your screen that will present the two purchase options. Option 1) 100 Picture Pack for $7.99 with no time limit. Option 2) 1 Month of Unlimited Pictures for $9.99. The purchase is done through your Apple iTunes account. If you choose, for example, the 1 month unlimited pack, then you will be prompted with a message to renew after that time period runs out. It is much like buying an app in the App Store. All that is required is for you to login with your password and confirm the purchase. Please let me know if you have anymore questions. Best Wishes, TapTapSee On Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:30:12 PM UTC-8, Jenifer Gilley wrote: Ok. I have to admit I haven't been following this thread because it's too huge and I don't have time to read the dozens of messages that have came in regarding this. i know that there will be two prices, one for unlimited and one for I believe 50 picks. But how can I purchase whatever monthly option I want? My fault for not following and I appoligize in advance. If the developer wishes to write me privately re: this I would appreciate it. I for one will pay what I have too because IMO TapTap see is the best OCR ap, for me... and I'm willing to pay for it monthly. Jen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
bluetooth share
Has anyone used this program with success? I just tried using it to transfer a contact and it kicked me right out of the program and disconnected the bluetooth. *** When you give unto others whether or not they give to you in return, It matters not for your job is Complete and your rewards forthcoming. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Is there an accessible Hotmail app?
Hi, Just to add to this, you can now set up outlook accounts as IMAP on IOS and in Mail on the Mac. This way your mail, calendar, and notes can be synced quite easily. hth Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:49 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Dean, As Christopher pointed out, Hotmail works great with the native mail app. Just remember that Hotmail is now called Outlook.com and if you are running iOS 7 this change is reflected in the types of accounts you can pick from. Just make sure when you add your account that you pick Outlook.com as your account type, then enter your user name and password and that's it. After the connection is made you have the choice to turn on Mail, Contacts, Calendars and Reminders, I usually turn on the first 3 but I use iCloud for Reminders. On my PC I have Windows 7 and Office 2010 and if you are running Office 2003, 2007 or 2010 you can install the Outlook connector application from Microsoft and also set up your Outlook.com account in Outlook and mail, contacts and calendars will be synced between your computer and iPhone. If you have Office 2013 Outlook.com integration is built in and all you have to do is set up your account with your user name and password, the restis automatic. I personally find that Outlook.com works much better than gmail when it comes to keeping the account in sync between devices even though in iOS 7 gmail support now includes Contacts so at least you don't have to set up a separate CardDAV account to sync Google Contacts. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dean Wilcox Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:27 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Is there an accessible Hotmail app? Hi all, As the subject asks, is there an app for Live Mail, Hotmail etc that is accessible? I could just try a few but thought asking the question first wouldn't hurt. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
Hi Carol. Not sure I understand your question. Tap Tap See has been a free app and service but has decided they need to charge to keep this service going. They will be charging $8 to receive and recognize 100 pictures. Or you can subscribe to a monthly service with unlimited number of pictures for $10 per month. Some members are objecting to having to pay at all. Most accept the need to pay but some object to having to pay for ongoing use of the service. There are also objections to being charged to interpret a picture if it is too blurred for an interpreter to recognize what they are seeing. Tap Tap See must pay the interpreter for attempting to recognize the object but some think that Tap Tap See should absorb the cost because the user is blind. There are others who object to paying for a picture when the interpreter fails to provide useful information about it. Currently there is no way for the user to say exactly what information is required. Tap Tap See points out that they must pay the interpreter even if they don't provide enough information so the user must still pay for the picture. Some, like myself, feel that Tap Tap See has a right to set the terms and conditions and also to decide how they will charge for the service. The user has the right to decide whether or not they wish to use the service and pay for it. Many have said they wouldn't mind paying for the app if they could get unlimited use of the service for that flat price. Tap Tap See will still have the ongoing cost of paying the people who look at each picture whether or not those people can provide useful information. I guess credit means a picture in this particular case. It would be kinda nice if folks would just decide whether they want the service enough to pay for it and get on with life. One can easily spend $8 or more in a trip to Starbucks and no one seems to think it unfair that they are asked to do it again every time they go back to Starbucks. The only difference I see here is that the customers are blind. I guess I do see a point that we should be given the chance to tell the interpreter what information we need and expect them to provide that information or a reason why they cannot. I would expect Starbucks to take it back if I asked for coffee and they gave me eggnog with no coffee in it. Nevertheless I am willing to pay for the service under the current terms and advocate with these very responsive developers for improving the product. They can't improve the product if they go broke. Regards, Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their iDevices. We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. Best Wishes, TapTapSee On Sunday, November 10,
Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari
Unfortunately, the only fix, if you want to call it a fix, I perfer the word pain, is to do the 2 finger swipe down the screen to have voiceover to read the entire page. This method is a pain, neusance, time waster and even more so a battery drainer! It would be nice to be able to quickly swipe to the section of a page in safari that is of interest and not to have to also listen to all the boring stuff. Being only a very few people are experiencing this problem, I'm curious if how the upgrade was done, wireless or iTunes, if this plays a part with the problem. I updated wirelessly with other members of the home also using the router while the update was in progress. Donna On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Brent Harbolt bharb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Have you found a fix for this yet Donna? - Original Message - From: Donna To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:34 AM Subject: Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari Yep I experience this and also experience voiceover skipping lines when swiping pages in safari. Donna On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Brent Harbolt bharb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this or it has been discussed on this list but when I am using safari, I am having instances when I am flicking down the page from line to line that voice over just cuts out. If I wait a little bit it comes back but then it really acts up and is really choppy until I close safari or manage to get to another page. Has anyone experienced this and is this a bug? Thanks. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Tap Tap See
Again, you are missing the point. you are again, comparing eggs and tomato, and deciding what will cost a farmer more, to have chickens or to grow tomatos. You got to compare service against service, goods against goods. From my understanding, TiVo does not only serve blind people. TiVo is for everybody and anybody that is interested in streaming and recording. The closes you may compare TiVo is perhaps with Apple TV. But, that beside the point. You pay for TiVo upride, or, in some case, you get in to a contract with 3rd party vendors, however, the maintainant cost of such service is relatively slow. Yes, they provide after sales customer support, yes, they provide upgrades, but that is part of who they are, and part of customer service and after sales support. It is rather, different, than on-going on the clock support. An example, if you go to emergency room, and try to see a doctor, will you then, tell the doctor something like hey, when my mother have me my parents already pay thousands of $$$. So, all my life time medical expends should be free, and will be free. Is my right to get free after born service from the medics for my entire life. Is also supply and demand. The company will sell 1,000 TiVo against 1 install on Tap Tap See. TiVo may have upgrade ones a year or so, but Tap Tap See may process 1 image in every 1 minutes or so. If you insist to compare something like that, compare service against service, a cable TV provider that charge you by monthly usage to Tap Tap See, instead of comparing a goods to a service. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:52, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: True, and you're not the first person to tell me how clear it is that I miss the obvious. A few subtle distinctions though. I was responding to people who were making blanket statements that you can't support on going costs with a one time fee business model. DVD Audio Extractor does provide me upgrades and customer support at no charge. Obviously, they incur a request every time I contact customer support. TiVo does much more than provide the chance to record a movie. They provide access to an ever changing variety of streaming content. I would assume they have incurring costs with respect to interfacing with the various sources of content they provide. They also have incurring costs when it comes to keeping up with new users signing up for their service and accessing newly available content, such as maintaining the necessary network bandwidth, keeping up with server storage and so on. I'm sure if I watch TiVo for 100 hours a week, I'm putting more of a strain on their infrastructure than if I just watch TiVo 1 hour a week. I also wouldn't be surprised if they have to make licensing payments to their content providers based on customer usage. TiVo traditionally has a subscription service, like NetFlix for example, but they do or at least used to offer a lifetime flat price option. You're right, Tap Tap See incurs a cost every time someone sends them a picture, and there's probably no flat price that people could stomach that would give them the revenue from new users to keep up with the picture recognition demand, which is what I meant when I said it's not just that they have incurring costs but that those costs are relatively high and their number of new sales they can count on is relatively low. BTW, The scenario you point out can also happen with the monthly flat rate. If I pay $10 a month, Tap Tap See will incur a much greater cost to support me if I send in 1000 pictures then they will if I send in 100 pictures that month. They figure $10 a month will work for them though in spite of this. I suppose Tap Tap See could offer a $1000 price for a lifetime subscription, but it's probably not worth it to them to come up with a way to administer such a model for the few people that would actually pay this much up front for such a life time service. On 11/11/2013 01:50 PM, Steve wrote: Clearly, Christopher, you don't understand the difference. You are comparing apples to oranges. DVD Audio Extractor nor Tivo incur any costs when you extract audio from one of your DVD's or record a movie. All that activity takes place locally, it doesn't matter to them whether you extract one or a thousand DVD's. They don't have any additional costs whether you are a light or heavy user of their program. The only thing they are providing you are free software updates when an update is released. Provisioning this to an existing user is not really incurring an added cost to them, except for you getting the program from their server, I suppose. The update enhances the program and hopefully makes it marketable to new buyers, which is where they derive their continued revenue growth. This is not the same
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
hmm, i'm not sure, we never know. Maybe Talks can handle Candy Crush and Pet Rescue or Solara on good old nokia N86? :P Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:19, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. Would love to play Candy Crush, Pet Rescue Saga and all that, but to be honest they cannot be made accessible due to the nature of the games. Am jealous of my sighted peers though grin. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 18:16, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: Michael I don't agree with what you are suggesting. Why should Apple force a program which is of no use to the blind be forced to implaent accessibility features? On 11/11/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to
Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time. Andy -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Hi Carol, No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had to start charging or shut the service down completely. If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you send and receive a reply/description. If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or 1,000 pictures. The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could have done so for a lot less. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their iDevices. We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very good resource for everyone. We believe that if we all come together to help each other understand the process of photography better, then everyone wins. Best Wishes, TapTapSee On Sunday, November 10, 2013 1:25:23 AM UTC-8, Cara wrote: HI John and All, While I have no problems with a subscription for this app, the idea that charging the visually impaired based on their abilities to take good pictures being not at all the developer's responsibility is not quite accurate. As a developer who is involved with recognition apps myself,
Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Sure, if there is accessibility bug we, as any of a responsible consumer, regardless either we are blind or not blind, should report. However, when it is clearly the user fault, which, frankly speaking, you have 75% of the chance with the case, and each of these user errors and faults got to report to the provider, i bet, soon or later, Apple can choose to do their own thing, or provide the lease accessibility tthat they can for the future software and hardware. I think, for new user, they need to realize that they deal with the new platform, and they also should have the expectation that things will not be the same compare to your old Nokia phone. The sooner they realize this, the better experience they will get instead of keep having the batel against themselves as to how Talks do this and that, and how Voiceover do this and that. You know, back in the old days, i can remember 90% of my family and friends phone numbers, i used to be call as a walking phone book. But now, since i use iPhone, i can't recall my phone number half of the time. Maybe i should write to Apple for that, and asking them to stop the capability of saving phone numbers and contact details. Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:23, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think this is what you're saying, but I think we need to be careful here. Accessibility isn't something that were given as a charity and something we should feel grateful for when someone provides it. Accessibility is a right that we should be demanding. Of course, we should be positive and cooperative when someone is working towards accessibility, but we shouldn't just accept whatever comes our way. For example, We shouldn't settle for Mobile Accessibility on Windows Phone 8 and stop pressing Microsoft for greater access to Windows Phone 8 just because they were kind enough to toss us this accessible scrap. It's also a fact that there are accessibility related bugs in IOS 7. People should be bringing these up on list and reporting them to Apple. There may be cases when one person's bug is another person's feature and one person's reporting of an issue is whining to someone else. I don't think accusations of whining and complaining should keep people from mentioning perceived bugs and issues they're having with IOS. I too get frustrated with what I see as people's whining, but I'm hesitant to say where that line should be drawn, and I think we should be careful when we chastise someone for being spoiled and whining. Like I said, we want people talking about the issues they're having with their iPhones because as good as the Iphone is, it could still be better and it could definitely get worse if Apple feels it has to redirect resources away from accessibility and towards other critical projects. On 11/11/2013 02:04 AM, BBS wrote: John and Sieghard, I agree with you guys completely. Like it says in my Skype mood message, some blind people are so spoiled. And it’s true, because look at this thread. We should be lucky that Apple is giving us a pretty good screen reader. I’m just tired of reading threads about people bitching and complaining about Apple not living up to their standards. Even on the Mac list we have people demanding that Apple do this and do that to make Voiceover live up to their standards. I’m tired of this. I think if I find another post about this thread, I’m gonna hit the delete button because that is my friend of course. I’ll just end off by saying if you don’t like Apple, sell your Mac and your iPhone and go to Windows and Android. Now that my rant’s over, Regina, I have an iPhone 4S and I’m not experiencing any wifi issues. Shawn Sent From My White Mac Book On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:17 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: I think that Sieghard put it well. I am very tired of listening to people complaining about their phones and the problems they are having. If you are so unhappy with Apple or your IPhone sell it and buy an android phone. For the vast majority of the blind people using this technology it works quite well. Yes their are bugs but they exist with all technology products. At least with the IPhone we have the option to upgrade when a new version of their software comes out. We are not at the mercy of the phone carriers or manufacturers as to whether they will let us upgrade. All in all this technology works well. It has provided us the ability to do much more with our phones than we thought possible just a few short years ago. On 11/10/13, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for that summary. I just started reading this thread. The only point I can confirm is item 3. VO has a difficult time tracking in Safari when filling out complex forms. To be fair, many of the forms VO
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
LOL Seriously though, this would represent a dramatically more strenuous exertion on Apple's part as gatekeeper to the iOS ecosystem. Vetting all those app submissions for accessibility strikes me as a rather costly undertaking. Now I know the response is that you wouldn't expect them to screen ALL apps since there'd naturally be a great many, maybe even a majority that wouldn't be feasibly accessible, given the number of games and other graphically intensive apps out there; but who draws that line? How does a developer know ahead of time when his or her app will be subject to your accessibility requirement and when it will not? I would tend to agree with the general sentiment of the replies that the current state of affairs is actually rather good all things considered. Respectfully, Aser Tolentino, Esq. On Nov 11, 2013, at 13:53, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: hmm, i'm not sure, we never know. Maybe Talks can handle Candy Crush and Pet Rescue or Solara on good old nokia N86? :P Joanne Chua The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion. Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate Send from my iPad On 12 Nov 2013, at 6:19, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. Would love to play Candy Crush, Pet Rescue Saga and all that, but to be honest they cannot be made accessible due to the nature of the games. Am jealous of my sighted peers though grin. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 18:16, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: Michael I don't agree with what you are suggesting. Why should Apple force a program which is of no use to the blind be forced to implaent accessibility features? On 11/11/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be
Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
I don't think it's much like buying a car, although if gas prices were high enough, maybe gas companies would give away cars and you'd just have to pay for the gas from them to run your car. I don't think this is a new trend, but when your selling a service or content rather than a piece of hardware or a stand alone software application, it's frequently the case that you give away the hardware or the application and then charge for the service or the content. On 11/11/2013 04:00 PM, Andy Baracco wrote: The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time. Andy -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Hi Carol, No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had to start charging or shut the service down completely. If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you send and receive a reply/description. If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or 1,000 pictures. The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could have done so for a lot less. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips that we'll be adding to our website in the next week. This will be an ongoing effort to help those users that have difficulty taking pictures with their iDevices. We believe that if we, as a community, all get together and share the best tips about taking picture, then we can have a very
Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari
I'm pretty sure I updated mine through iTunes. I guess if it's only something that a few people are experiencing that it might actually be a setting somewhere. But there's really no way to even know what setting that might be. Blessings, Brent Sent from my iPhone 5 On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:35 PM, Donna merma...@bellsouth.net wrote: Unfortunately, the only fix, if you want to call it a fix, I perfer the word pain, is to do the 2 finger swipe down the screen to have voiceover to read the entire page. This method is a pain, neusance, time waster and even more so a battery drainer! It would be nice to be able to quickly swipe to the section of a page in safari that is of interest and not to have to also listen to all the boring stuff. Being only a very few people are experiencing this problem, I'm curious if how the upgrade was done, wireless or iTunes, if this plays a part with the problem. I updated wirelessly with other members of the home also using the router while the update was in progress. Donna On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:48 AM, Brent Harbolt bharb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Have you found a fix for this yet Donna? - Original Message - From: Donna To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 9:34 AM Subject: Re: problem with voice over cutting out while using safari Yep I experience this and also experience voiceover skipping lines when swiping pages in safari. Donna On Nov 11, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Brent Harbolt bharb...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Hi all. I don't know if anyone else has experienced this or it has been discussed on this list but when I am using safari, I am having instances when I am flicking down the page from line to line that voice over just cuts out. If I wait a little bit it comes back but then it really acts up and is really choppy until I close safari or manage to get to another page. Has anyone experienced this and is this a bug? Thanks. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options
Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously
It may be a good thing as I hear candy crush is very adicting. - Original Message - From: Chris H christopher...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:49 PM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously Exactly. Would love to play Candy Crush, Pet Rescue Saga and all that, but to be honest they cannot be made accessible due to the nature of the games. Am jealous of my sighted peers though grin. E-mail Facebook and iMessage christopher...@gmail.com On 11/11/2013 18:16, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: Michael I don't agree with what you are suggesting. Why should Apple force a program which is of no use to the blind be forced to implaent accessibility features? On 11/11/13, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net wrote: instead of having a going nowhere discussion about this why don't you all who have such strong feelings express them to the apple accessibility folks. I believe their email address is accessibil...@apple.com Fred Olver - Original Message - From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:53 AM Subject: Re: different observation concerning When will Apple take this seriously I agree. Apple's iOS has created a system whereby we have a better than 50% chance that any app we purchase will be at least partially accessible. This is far better than any other platform on the market, whilst respecting the app developer's right to develop and sell any type of app which brings or enhances functionality to the iPhone. This is, indeed, the best system out there. Because we are not suing people, they are actually more willing to work collaboratively with us, and the developers who do not work with us usually have competition which is willing to work with us. As for the development of the gesture-based screen reader, it was well-known by everybody, including the NFB, that blind people would not be able to use a gesture-based screen reader. The standard proposals before VoiceOver came out on the iPhone 3 GS included some form of button-based tactile overlay which would be attached to the iPhone so blind people could successfully use it. As this topic relates directly to my research, if anyone has any credible source information that is different from the above (which all the literature I have located thus far fully supports), please send me the source citations so I can evaluate, and possibly use them. As for the NFB, I recall that organisation becoming rather upset at Apple a few years ago because Apple ignored requests from NFB for Apple to send a highly placed staff member to the NFB's national convention for a reward on behalf of the organised blind? As I understand it, this perceived snub of the NFB by Apple encouraged a series of comparisons between Apple and other products in the Braille Monitor which all demonstrated that Apple's accessibility was very much sub-par in comparison to these other devices. I would suggest you not pursue this line that the NFB had any influence over Apple, because I have a very strong suspicion that the NFB will not be shown in a very positive light if we examine the materials from that period of time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 5:05, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Whoa!! Hold on a second. lol. The law suit you speak of was filed in 2006. By this time, Apple had already put out Mac OSX 10.4 Tiger which contained the Voiceover screen reader. The courts Ruled in favor of the NFB lead suit in September 2007. By this time, the iPhone had only been out 3 months. The actual settlement wrapped up in September 2008. By June 2009, Voiceover was on the new iPhone 3Gs. So where exactly in that timeline did the NFB have the time to turn their sites on Apples lack of accessibility? I think you might be overstating the NFB’s influence quite a bit here. I mean, since you said “fresh off” that would leave the NFB with only 8 months to turn their sights on Apple before Voiceover was introduced on the iPhone. So obviously, Voiceover and iOS 3.0 wasn’t developed in 8 months. The way Apple tells it, they had every intention of adding a screen reader to IOS. It took them over 2 years to actually come up with a multi touch gesture based screen reader. But with that aside, I think the word “partner” when speaking about Apple and developers of IOS Apps should be used loosely. I mean, there are literally tens of thousands of developers creating and supporting hundreds of thousands of apps. Apple has made the platform accessible, and has made literature easily available for developers to insure accessibility in their apps. In my opinion, Apple has done their job. It’s now up to us to interact with the developers like we’ve been doing to make sure
Nike Plus Move
Dear listers I downloaded this app and registered with Nike Plus etc but am struggling to be able to use the app well or hardly at all. It seems really quite inaccessible. It says ‘Page 5 of 6’ at the bottom but I can’t see how to switch pages. I unloaded VoiceOver and was able to somehow swipe once and get to page 3 of 6 but the contents of the page seemed pretty similar. Does anyone have any tips to be able to at least see the amount of fuel you’ve accumulated that day? Thanks, Robin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out
Have you had recent bad weather in the area? I noticed sometimes when it storms and such I won't be able to dial out, an example would be when we had the wind from hurricane ike a few years ago. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Verizon problem: cannot dial out What this message means, if I remember the US system correctly, is the phone is unable to receive any signal from your carrier's tower, so it is accessing any available tower. By law, all carrier's towers must transmit emergency calls for free. Therefore, you are being told that you can make an emergency call to 911 if necessary. Otherwise, you do not have cellular coverage at this time. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12 Nov 2013, at 7:13, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. This is a little scary though I do have a landline phone from Charter I can use but rarely do. I cannot dial out on either of my iPhones; I get a message about the call not being able to be completed as dialed but the message says it's from US Celular and I am with Verizon. I think my signal on the phone is only something like 2 of 5 bars and it says extended network. It could be that a tower near me is malfunctioning. We might be having some snow here but that in itself shouldn't cause a problem. Since it is both phones, I don't think it is an issue with the phones themselves. Any suggestions? -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
Andy, Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance. In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains is the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems you are part of will just have to find other still free options. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time. Andy -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Hi Carol, No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had to start charging or shut the service down completely. If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you send and receive a reply/description. If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or 1,000 pictures. The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could have done so for a lot less. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not have to not charge for a picture just because it is blurry or not centered enough to be of any use. On 11/10/13, TapTapSee dmit...@taptapseeapp.com wrote: Cara, Our technology involves computer vision and crowdsourcing. Also, we do not use volunteers. On another note, we are currently compiling a list of tips
Facebook and notifications
Hi, first since I'm writing this I want to say thanks for all the help I get from this list. Second, I am wondering if there is a way to get notifications from facebook from an individual person? For example, when my friend writes a status or newsfeed update or what ever I'd like to see it so I don't have to look all over the place, especially since facebook never goes in any order any more. thanks -- Lelia -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Is there a way to get around not being able to use the picker item in the bard app
I can't help, but I'm wondering how you're able to use BARD? I didn't think canadians could join the NLS. Can you join through the CNIB or something? On 11/11/13, Jen Colley jen.col...@shaw.ca wrote: Hi, I have the bard app installed on my phone and I know there is a problem getting the picker to work in the app, has anyone found a work around until there is an update. I want to search by subject but I can activate the picker and I get the first subject to come up but after that the app loses focus. Any help would be appreciated. Jen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee
It's like any service you use. You can't use your car without purchasing gas, any appliances TV's etc without buying electricity,. you are paying for a service. Any service you receive is not done for free. On 11/11/13, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Andy, Sounds to me more like buying a car and having to buy gas/fuel to run it which last time I checked was not included in the purchase price of the car nor were oil changes, new tires and regular maintenance. In any case, I think the comparisons have been exhausted and what remains is the fact that those who want Tap Tap See seem to be happy to pay for the service so it can continue and those who don't want to pay which it seems you are part of will just have to find other still free options. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Baracco Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 2:00 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee The app is free, but you can't do anything with it unless you pay? Sounds like buying a car and being told that you have to pay extra for the engine, wheels and tires. But that seems to be the trend, as many developers are doing this, i. e. the Seeing Eye GPS app, and the various sports apps such as MLB At bat, NFL Audio Pass, and NBA Game Time. Andy -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Hi Carol, No, the app continues to be free, but you pay for using the service. You really have to think of this as a service not an app because all the app does is to provide an interface for taking the picture and passing it on to Tap Tap See's servers. Here the picture is now recognized, quite often by a real person who gets paid for providing the description, then the result is sent back to your phone where it is announced and displayed in the app. Tap Tap See has been paying for this and they tried to fund this from maybe other revenues they received, but it came to a point where they either had to start charging or shut the service down completely. If you use Tap Tap See only occasionally you are better off buying their 100 picture package for $7.99. You basically pay 8 Cents for each picture you send and receive a reply/description. If you use Tap Tap See a whole lot you can pay a monthly flat rate of $9.99 for unlimited use which means you pay $9.99 whether you take no pictures or 1,000 pictures. The math is easy. At 8 Cents a picture, 125 pictures would cost you $10 which is the cost for the monthly subscription. If you take less than 125 pictures a month you are better off paying for actual use and to buy the 100 picture pack. The other good thing is of course that the 100 pictures won't go away, if you only take 2 one month and 20 the next then you still have 78 left and if you never took another picture for the next 3 months then after 5 months you still had 78 pictures. If you pay $9.99 then you can take unlimited pictures for the next 30 days, but if you only used 50, you could have done so for a lot less. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Carol Forrester Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee can someone explain this when it says to buy credits, what does this actually mean is it not an outright price for the app? Carol On 11 Nov 2013, at 04:37, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote: If a developer waited until the app was perfect in the mind of every customer before releasing it, we would have no apps. In this case the app was free for a year and everyone had a great opportunity to decide if it is acceptable or not. Now the customer has to decide if it is worth the money to him or her. Should really does not really enter it. We've seen it, know how it works and should decide individually if that is how we choose to spend our money. Quietly decide I hope. Thanks. Wayne -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 10:17 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Mechanical Turk, CamFind, TapTapSee and developers responsibilities -was- Re: TapTapSee Cara I am not saying that the developer shouldn't provide suggestions on how to take pictures or in general use their product. However, they should not be held responsible if I am not able to interpret how to use the product or parts of the software. So in this vain they should not
