Bizarre Problem with PayPal Mobile Site

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

When I'm directed to PayPal from a seller, I always switch to my credit card 
from my default bank account. On the computer, it was never a problem. On iOS, 
there's a checkbox that says "switch to such and such account". When I check 
it, I get a page with nothing on it, and the Pay Now button is not accessible. 
Has anyone else experienced this? It's happened with two unlelated sellers thus 
far.

Thanks,
Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Jerry Mader]

> I am not trying to start a flame war here but I have to put my opinion in on 
> this matter. I think that it is very rude what Joseph had said. I don't think 
> that Jonathan is trying to make money off of us I think he's just trying to 
> sell a book. You don't have to buy that book if you so desire sir but there 
> may be other people who do. I wish that people wouldn't make such 
> disrespectful comments. Because technically, we are very lucky to have this 
> book! Do you know of any other place we can get this information besides this 
> list and Jonathan's book? You tell me where to go? And I will go look. But I 
> don't believe there is any other place. Jonathan has spent countless hours 
> probably, researching all of this information to bring it to us in a straight 
> forward way. Why disrespect the guy by saying what you did. That was not 
> right. However you have your opinion I have mine. I'm just stating mine. I 
> did not mean to start any trouble I was just saying what I felt. And I will 
> be one who buys this book. It is only $20. That is not that expensive! It 
> really isn't. Think about this would you rather spend $20 on something you 
> can use, or spend $20 and something that you may never use? I've known things 
> that people spend at least $20 on, that they never use. That I've known 
> things like this book, that people spend money on and do use every day. Just 
> thought I would throw my two cents in. Jerry Mader

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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Joseph FreeTech]

If you have any personal criticisms please write me off list, or you will 
end up wasting a great deal of list time.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Cochran" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye


Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this 
thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I 
have to call it as I see it.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
>
> For those not interested in spending their money to get the same 
> information
> offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release 
> are
> some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users
> here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to 
> hand
> over your money. These are the same people who you know well and 
> contribute
> daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us.
>
> I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are
> usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to
> iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan
> on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been
> squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so
> tempting that I change my plans. .
>
> Joseph the free tech guy!
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
> Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
>
>
> Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
> Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was
> just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great
> feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
> I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available 
> for
> "iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS
> 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on
> release day.
> Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to
> cart button, can be found here.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
> Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so
> pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
> All the best.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
>
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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Teresa Cochran]

Joseph, I think it's wrong and mean-spirited to post the way you did in this 
thread. Yes, I know I'm probably opening an explosive can of worms, but I have 
to call it as I see it.

Teresa 

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:02 PM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
> 
> For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information 
> offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are 
> some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users 
> here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand 
> over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute 
> daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us.
> 
> I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are 
> usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to 
> iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan 
> on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been 
> squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so 
> tempting that I change my plans. .
> 
> Joseph the free tech guy!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
> Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
> 
> 
> Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
> Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was 
> just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great 
> feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
> I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for 
> "iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 
> 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on 
> release day.
> Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to 
> cart button, can be found here.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
> Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so 
> pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
> All the best.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Feliciano G]

I purchased the book when the email was posted. I believe this book will be 
very useful as I am in the technology field.

  Regards, Feliciano

Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


Sent from the Super-iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:30 PM, "Jonathan Mosen"  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
> Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was 
> just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, 
> and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
> I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for 
> "iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, 
> but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on 
> release day.
> Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart 
> button, can be found here.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
> Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased 
> many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
> All the best.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Betty, you certainly can, it's still in the Mosen Consulting Store.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 29/07/2014, at 4:08 pm, Betty Emmons  wrote:

> can we still get 7?
> Betty Emmons
> - Original Message - From: "Larry Lumpkin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
> 
> 
> However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed
> well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved.  This is well worth
> the money to me.  Some of like well-written documentation.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Joseph FreeTech
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
> 
> For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information
> offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are
> some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users
> here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand
> over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute
> daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us.
> 
> I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are
> usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to
> iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan
> on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been
> squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so
> tempting that I change my plans. .
> 
> Joseph the free tech guy!
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
> Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye
> 
> 
> Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
> Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was
> just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great
> feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
> I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for
> 
> "iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS
> 8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on
> release day.
> Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to
> cart button, can be found here.
> http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
> Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so
> pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
> All the best.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Betty Emmons]

can we still get 7?
Betty Emmons
- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Lumpkin" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:07 PM
Subject: RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye


However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed
well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved.  This is well worth
the money to me.  Some of like well-written documentation.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information
offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are
some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users
here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand
over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute
daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us.

I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are
usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to
iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan
on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been
squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so
tempting that I change my plans. .

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message -
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye


Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was
just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great
feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for

"iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS
8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on
release day.
Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to
cart button, can be found here.
http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so
pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
All the best.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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RE: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Larry Lumpkin]

However, Jonathan writes very well and the book is organized and indexed
well for kindle and the material is easily retrieved.  This is well worth
the money to me.  Some of like well-written documentation.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joseph FreeTech
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information
offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are
some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users
here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand
over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute
daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us.

I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are
usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to
iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan
on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been
squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so
tempting that I change my plans. .

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message -
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye


Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was 
just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great 
feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for

"iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 
8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on 
release day.
Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to 
cart button, can be found here.
http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so 
pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
All the best.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Joseph FreeTech]

For those not interested in spending their money to get the same information 
offered below, don't forget that the first few days of a new iOS release are 
some of the busiest days on this list. There are tons of experienced users 
here who will provide the exact same information without asking you to hand 
over your money. These are the same people who you know well and contribute 
daily and not just when they get an opportunity to make money off of us.

I too am looking forward to iOS 8, but don't forget that the new users are 
usually the ones who find all the bugs, which is to say, for those new to 
iOS, you might not want to install iOS 8 on day of release. I for one plan 
on waiting for the third release or so since many bugs will have been 
squashed by then. That is, this is my plan, don't know if iOS will be so 
tempting that I change my plans. .

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Jonathan Mosen" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:30 PM
Subject: Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye


Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was 
just incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great 
feedback, and people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for 
"iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 
8, but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on 
release day.
Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to 
cart button, can be found here.
http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so 
pleased many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
All the best.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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Pre-orders now open for iOS 8 Without the Eye

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi everyone, first, thanks to Raul for letting me post this here.
Last year, I wrote a book called "iOS 7 Without the Eye". The response was just 
incredible and many thousands of people bought it. I got great feedback, and 
people have been asking me if I will write one for iOS 8.
I'm pleased to say that I've done that, and pre-orders are now available for 
"iOS 8 Without the Eye". It will be released on the day Apple releases iOS 8, 
but you can secure your copy today so you can be sure you'll get it on release 
day.
Much more detail about what's in the book, and that all important add to cart 
button, can be found here.
http://mosen.org/index.php/mosen-consulting-ebook-ios-8-without-the-eye/
Thanks to those of you who have been so supportive of my work. I'm so pleased 
many of you find it helpful and your business means a lot.
All the best.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Feliciano G]

That is correct.

  Regards, Feliciano

Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


Sent from the Super-iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:46 PM, "Sieghard Weitzel"  wrote:
> 
> i think Feliciano referred to the full-size iPad and I would agree that for
> some people the relatively large screen could be a challenge in terms of
> orientation. This is obvious with something like Fleksy. \I remember posts
> when Fleksy first came out where people said they could just not get the
> hang of it because they did not have the special awareness of where they
> touched the screen. For somebody like that an iPad is probably a nightmare.
> I think for anybody who doesn't have that problem an iPad, especially the
> Mini, could be a great companion device. But I am a little bit like Ben, I
> love my iPhone and use it a lot when I travel, but simply because I have to
> use various business software or log in to my server at my store via Remote
> Desktop to do some stuff if |I'm away for longer a laptop still works better
> for me. It's simply a choice everybody has to make for themselves. I think
> it is quite likely that after the new iPads come out this fall that I'll buy
> an iPad Mini for at home simply because then I don't have to use my phone
> all the time for listening to Audible books, to control my sonos system and
> so on and I would probably get at least one extra day of battery life out of
> my iPhone.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ricardo Walker
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:27 PM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini
> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini more
> difficult to use?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on
> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way
> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>>> hopefully obvious.
>>> 
>>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>>> doesn't get that much use.
>>> 
>>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>> 
 On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
 Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
 question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
 past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
 
 The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
 questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
 answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait
> for
 an answer as the answer is already available. .
 
 Joseph
 
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Bobby Druesedow]

I have also found that when in the month view, I can three finger swipe to the 
left or right in order to change months.

Sent from my iPod

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Late joiner to the topic but here are some tips:
> 
> If you touch at the top of the app and flick right you might get past dates.
> What works best for me is to touch somewhere in the middle of the screen and 
> I see current date or there about.
> 
> To switch from day ticker to other view I do 3 finger flick down. 
> If still not finding current double-tapping on go to today button works well 
> also.
> 
> Hope this helps a bit.
> Ioana  to 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> I have noticed the same issue that others have mentioned about going to 
>> previous months. However, if I do a single finger double tap on the today 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Joseph FreeTech  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, I've found the 100% very accessible app Alarmed much better for 
>>> repeating alarms as one can configure just about any type of alarm:
>>> everyday except Saturday and Sunday,
>>> every other day at 12 noon,
>>> every 3rd Sunday of the month,
>>> Tuesday Wednesday Thursday appointment at 2PM,
>>> every other year,
>>> etc.
>>> 
>>> To date this app has never failed me when my alarm came due. .
>>> 
>>> Alarmed ~ Reminders + Timers
>>> By Yoctoville
>>> Free with $2 ad-ons
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarmed-reminders-+-timers/id371886784?mt=8
>>> 
>>> Joseph the free tech guy!
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Ron Pelletier" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:53 AM
>>> Subject: RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brian,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the
>>> current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now,
>>> I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only
>>> will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what the
>>> current users brag about the most.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>>  e
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Brian Fischler
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to
>>> show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think
>>> the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and
>>> month you were on.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find
>>> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
>>> Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
>>> checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me
>>> the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still
>>> has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders
>>> app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
>>> Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am
>>> wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing
>>> something. Thanks,
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
>>>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
>>> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
>>> 
>>> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
>>>  ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
>>> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean
>>> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only
>>> reads the text as selected.
>>> 
>>> Need lots of help!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weir

Re: Kindle Ap

[Judy Wilkinson]

In the "dual" that Penny referred to, even the owner of the Kindle FDX who had 
been given it as a git said that he preferred the Kindle app which I find 
totally accessible and use all the time.
Judy Wilkinson

On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:26 AM, Raggedy Ann  wrote:

> Has anyone had any luck using the Kindle ap on the IPhone? I've heard 
> conflicting reports, and since I need to purchase either the ap or the Kindle 
> itself, I would like some opinions.
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Ann
>  
> 
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RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

i think Feliciano referred to the full-size iPad and I would agree that for
some people the relatively large screen could be a challenge in terms of
orientation. This is obvious with something like Fleksy. \I remember posts
when Fleksy first came out where people said they could just not get the
hang of it because they did not have the special awareness of where they
touched the screen. For somebody like that an iPad is probably a nightmare.
I think for anybody who doesn't have that problem an iPad, especially the
Mini, could be a great companion device. But I am a little bit like Ben, I
love my iPhone and use it a lot when I travel, but simply because I have to
use various business software or log in to my server at my store via Remote
Desktop to do some stuff if |I'm away for longer a laptop still works better
for me. It's simply a choice everybody has to make for themselves. I think
it is quite likely that after the new iPads come out this fall that I'll buy
an iPad Mini for at home simply because then I don't have to use my phone
all the time for listening to Audible books, to control my sonos system and
so on and I would probably get at least one extra day of battery life out of
my iPhone.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ricardo Walker
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:27 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone

Hmm,

I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini
anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini more
difficult to use?

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G 
wrote:
> 
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on
an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way
to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>> hopefully obvious.
>> 
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>> doesn't get that much use.
>> 
>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
>>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
>>> question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
>>> past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>>>
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
>>> 
>>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
>>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
>>> answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait
for
>>> an answer as the answer is already available. .
>>> 
>>> Joseph
>>> 
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RE: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Bill,

 

I can't speak for gmail other than to suggest she checks her gmail settings
on the web interface to make sure it is set to use IMAP and not POP.

 

As for the Hotmail account, she should set it up on her iPhone using the
Outlook.com account type. Hotmail does not use IMAP, it uses Exchange Active
Sync. I suggest she should delete the Hotmail account on her iPhone and then
start fresh. Select Add account, then select "Microsoft Outlook" as the
account type. Make sure she does not use "Microsoft Exchange" or anything
else. After that all she has to do is enter her email address and password.

 

On the laptop it should set up correctly if she uses Office 2013. She can
just add the account, enter her user name (her email) and password and it
will set up correctly.

 

If she uses Outlook 2010 or 2007 she needs to install the Outlook Connector
first before she sets up the account. I guess if she tries to set it up and
doesn't have it there should be a prompt for her to install it, but I
recommend to install it first and keep in mind there is a 32 bit and a 64
bit version.

 

|I occasionally find that an email I delete on my iPhone or on my PC doesn't
delete from the other devices, but typically this happens if an email in my
Inbox is quite old. I would say it works perfectly 99% of the time.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

\ 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Bill Holton
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Strange mail issue on iPhone

 

Hi.

I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail
account

and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP
accounts, and

she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to
each

other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her
Hotmail, or

Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.

When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface,
the message

shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to
her web interface, the message

is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not
be all mail folder. Also,

she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into
the archive

folder.

If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on
the web

interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She
gets very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to
have to redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.
Any suggestions

would be much appreciated.

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RE: [Bulk] RE: GPS app that doesn't use data when using it.

[Don & Cher]

I have read that Tom Tom was the app adopted by Apple as Apple Maps- for
what it's worth :)

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 9:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: [Bulk] RE: GPS app that doesn't use data when using it.

 

Navigon and TomTom store the maps on your phone.

Navigon is around $60.00 for the North American version.  You can buy
regional versions for less.

 

I do not know about TomTom.  

 

HTH,

Richard

 

 

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Of Pinky
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 5:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: GPS app that doesn't use data when using it.

 

Hi Group,

There is an GPS app that they have talked about on this list that does not
use data.  The software is loaded on the phone.  Can someone tell me what
the name of this app is and if there is a cost?

 

Ed

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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Richard Turner]

Glad that helped. I use this app daily and love it!
Richard

"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Richard for the tip on switching to month view in the top part
> of the screen. I had not realized that the month view was available.
> Now I get the best of both worlds by having the month view in the top
> portion and the list of appointments on a certain day in the bottom
> portion of the screen, awesome.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 7/28/14, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Late joiner to the topic but here are some tips:
>> 
>> If you touch at the top of the app and flick right you might get past
>> dates.
>> What works best for me is to touch somewhere in the middle of the screen and
>> I see current date or there about.
>> 
>> To switch from day ticker to other view I do 3 finger flick down.
>> If still not finding current double-tapping on go to today button works well
>> also.
>> 
>> Hope this helps a bit.
>> Ioana  to
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have noticed the same issue that others have mentioned about going to
>>> previous months. However, if I do a single finger double tap on the today
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

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RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Rick Alfaro]

There are a few different styles of keyboard covers. The ones I'm familiar with 
are the folio style covers. The keyboard is on the inside of the flap that 
covers the screen when closed. They don't hurt the screen because they are 
usually pretty flat laptop style keys. Logitech, Belkin Zagg are some of the 
manufacturers that have several different models.

 

Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 2:33 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

Hi,

I'm curious about these keyboard covers or cases for iPads and iPad Minis. How 
exactly is the keyboard incorporated into the case? I keep imagining a keyboard 
hardware over the lower part of the screen, but this can't be the case, can it? 
Is the keyboard on the inside of the flap that covers the screen when closed? 
Doesn't this run the risk of damaging the screen?

Thanks in advance for an explanation. Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

This is actually a good point if you plan to use the mini as a sort of laptop. 
Because of the larger size, the keyboard covers you can get for them are very 
nice because they can accomidate a larger keyboard that are usually very 
comfortable to type on just like a laptop. In this sense, the mini works very 
well and so does the regular full size iPad.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ricardo Walker
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:35 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

Hi,

I just came back from a trip to Las Vegas where I left my Macbook pro behind, 
and brought my iPad mini with me.  I have a logitech folio keyboard case for 
it.  I only use the keyboard when typing not so much for navigating.  This 
setup worked extremely well for me.  For starters, the battery life.  It was 
nice going 3 days on a single charge, and thats after hard use.  Video 
streaming, ebook reading, music streaming, web browsing, etc.  During that same 
time, I was recharging my iPhone sometimes twice a day.

As far as the gestures go, since the screen is larger, some might feel their 
gestures need to be larger as well.  This is definitely not the case. moving 
your finger left, right, up or down is more than enough to do the trick for 
navigating on an iPad. 

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
> generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
> gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m not 
> good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused this 
> issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself one of 
> these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i want an 
> ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if anything 
> do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? What 
> works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really easier 
> to navigate than an Air or the like?
> Thanks for any answer.
> /Krister
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Wayne Merritt]

Thanks Richard for the tip on switching to month view in the top part
of the screen. I had not realized that the month view was available.
Now I get the best of both worlds by having the month view in the top
portion and the list of appointments on a certain day in the bottom
portion of the screen, awesome.

Wayne

On 7/28/14, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Late joiner to the topic but here are some tips:
>
> If you touch at the top of the app and flick right you might get past
> dates.
> What works best for me is to touch somewhere in the middle of the screen and
> I see current date or there about.
>
> To switch from day ticker to other view I do 3 finger flick down.
> If still not finding current double-tapping on go to today button works well
> also.
>
> Hope this helps a bit.
> Ioana  to
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>
>> I have noticed the same issue that others have mentioned about going to
>> previous months. However, if I do a single finger double tap on the today
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Joseph FreeTech 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, I've found the 100% very accessible app Alarmed much better for
>>>
>>> repeating alarms as one can configure just about any type of alarm:
>>> everyday except Saturday and Sunday,
>>> every other day at 12 noon,
>>> every 3rd Sunday of the month,
>>> Tuesday Wednesday Thursday appointment at 2PM,
>>> every other year,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> To date this app has never failed me when my alarm came due. .
>>>
>>> Alarmed ~ Reminders + Timers
>>> By Yoctoville
>>> Free with $2 ad-ons
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarmed-reminders-+-timers/id371886784?mt=8
>>>
>>> Joseph the free tech guy!
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Ron Pelletier" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:53 AM
>>> Subject: RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Brian,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the
>>> current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right
>>> now,
>>> I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably
>>> only
>>> will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what
>>> the
>>> current users brag about the most.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>>
>>>   e
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Brian Fischler
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want
>>> to
>>> show me February and March again am I missing something as you would
>>> think
>>> the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day
>>> and
>>> month you were on.
>>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I
>>> find
>>> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
>>> Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
>>> checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving
>>> me
>>> the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it
>>> still
>>> has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native
>>> reminders
>>> app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
>>> Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I
>>> am
>>> wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am
>>> missing
>>> something. Thanks,
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ron & Danvers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
>>>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
>>> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
>>>
>>> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor
>>> Hugo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
>>>  ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
>>> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they
>>> mean
>>> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it
>>> only
>>> reads the text as selected.
>>>
>>> Need lots of 

Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, the smaller devices have containers, but they're mostly for inofmation 
purposes, and they can be disabled in the rotor without much trouble. They're 
great for organizing, and you can hear a sound for each one, in order to alert 
you when you get to the status bar, etc.

HtH,
Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
> 
> ok, thank you!
> I have an I-phone 5S so do I have containers?
> thanks in advance,
>  
> From: Teresa Cochran
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about 
> ipad mini vs iphone
>  
> Containers are areas of the screen that contain groups of controls. For 
> example, your status bar is in one container, and below it is another 
> container with the text of a document. Below that is the dock in its own 
> container. On the iPad, you have to interact with containers, similar to 
> "zooming in" as a concept. The Mac Os uses very similar concepts with 
> Voiceover.
>  
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
> the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
>> 
>> what are containers? what are they used for etc.?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
>> iphone
>> 
>> I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had 
>> was with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special 
>> beep, for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No 
>> the problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
>> sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
>> reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or 
>> up as i went sideways.
>> /Krister
>> 
 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :
>>> Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
>>> confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you can
>>> also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are you
>>> familiar with containers?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Krister Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>>> iphone
>>> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate
>>> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
>>> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other
>>> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
>>> /Krister
> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
 Hi Feliciano,
 I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
 completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
>>> definitely
 situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
 one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
>>> this
 to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
 also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
 working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
>>> but
 it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
>>> completely
 blind person using Voice Over".
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Feliciano G
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
 iphone
 And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
 voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
>>> on
 an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
 Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
>>> way
 to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
>>> difficult.
Regards, Feliciano
 Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
> Hi,
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for re

Re: Fantastical 2.1

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Other than the custom repeat function that's very useful in many ways like 
"repeat for 8 times every week", I also love the search feature.
Every once in a while the native calendar would garble the order of search 
results for a repeating event and it would make it useless for me. This never 
happens in fantastical.
I like how, using natural language one can set where one wants the event to be 
added. Say it is not in your default calendar but a separate one you indicate 
this in the sentence with slash followed by first letter of that calendar. /h 
for home for example.

Same goes for reminder lists.

Hope this helps,
Ioana 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Aside from the natural language, is there an advantage to using Fantastical 
> over iOS' default Calendar app? I find Calendar easy enough to use, and have 
> never really had problems with it. It's not the best, but it's fine. I guess 
> I'm wondering what features people like about Fantastical that make it worth 
> it? Also, will Fantastical hook into iOS' calendars? That is, if I make an 
> appointment with it, will that then sync to iOS, and from there propagate 
> through iCloud to sync with my Mac's default calendar app?
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Jenny. Great to hear the app works great probably going to check it 
>> out.
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I love this app! I also can put a reminder in this app and it will come up 
>>> on my computer. I have a windows computer, and i don't know if the Mac is 
>>> accesssible or not. I heard no.
>>> 
>>> I like this update because it has keyboard shortcuts. They work wonderful 
>>> also.
>>> 
>>> Jenn
>>> 
>>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
 Hey,
 
 Just noticed Fantastical was updated again and now half price. I have 
 heard mixed on this app from the VoiceOver community, but am thinking 
 about finally buying it, wanted to see what people here thought of it. I 
 rarely use the calendar app on the iPhone as it is kind of a pain to use, 
 are people finding it much smoother to use the fantastical calendar? I do 
 use reminders a lot but I like being able to just hold in the button to 
 quickly launch Siri to create a reminder. I assume using the reminder part 
 of Fantastical will just take launching the app first, but is just as 
 easy? Also I read that the mac version is not as accessible with VO. Does 
 anyone know if that has changed? One of the things I love most about the 
 native reminders app is having a reminder pop up on my iMac and iPhone, 
 and can dismiss very easily. Just wanted to get the most recent opinions 
 of the app. Thanks,
 
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Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Jennie Facer]

Yes you do have containers.

Jenn

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 2:21 PM, "Dave Mitchel"  wrote:
> 
> ok, thank you!
> I have an I-phone 5S so do I have containers?
> thanks in advance,
>  
> From: Teresa Cochran
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:55 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about 
> ipad mini vs iphone
>  
> Containers are areas of the screen that contain groups of controls. For 
> example, your status bar is in one container, and below it is another 
> container with the text of a document. Below that is the dock in its own 
> container. On the iPad, you have to interact with containers, similar to 
> "zooming in" as a concept. The Mac Os uses very similar concepts with 
> Voiceover.
>  
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
> the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
>> 
>> what are containers? what are they used for etc.?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:12 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
>> iphone
>> 
>> I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had 
>> was with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special 
>> beep, for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No 
>> the problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
>> sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
>> reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or 
>> up as i went sideways.
>> /Krister
>> 
 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :
>>> Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
>>> confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you can
>>> also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are you
>>> familiar with containers?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Krister Ekstrom
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>>> iphone
>>> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate
>>> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
>>> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other
>>> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
>>> /Krister
> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
 Hi Feliciano,
 I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
 completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
>>> definitely
 situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
 one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
>>> this
 to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
 also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
 working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
>>> but
 it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
>>> completely
 blind person using Voice Over".
 Thanks,
 Scott Duck
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Feliciano G
 Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
 iphone
 And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
 voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
>>> on
 an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
 Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
>>> way
 to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
>>> difficult.
Regards, Feliciano
 Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
> Hi,
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
> hopefully obvious.
> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
> would be a good opp

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Wayne Merritt]

HI all. I have thought at times about getting an iPad Mini. For me,
since I have a hearing loss, the larger speakers would be a definite
plus to having either the Pad or the Mini. Also, my wife would benefit
from the larger screen since she has to squint lots of times to be
able to read the smaller iPhone screen. Granted, she has a 5C but
still. I am totally blind and if I were to get a iPad, I would not get
the largest iPad. That is too much empty space for me to navigate. I
could better navigate the Mini's screen size. That seems like more of
a happy medium for me between the phone and the largest iPad. In my
case, I would probably use a Mini for listening to books, music and
other entertainment things, where my iPhone is my go-to communication
device. My wife would use it for the larger screen to play all her
games.

Wayne

On 7/28/14, Joanne Chua  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have iPad mini, ipad4, and iphone5. I absolutely love my iPad mini.
>> I use my iPad mini as my primary device, and yes, thats greater than what
>> i would use on my MacBook Air, or my laptop pc.
>> I use it for almost everything and anything, from web browsing, emailing,
>> ereading, skype, gaming, just praticlely anything but phoning.
>> I think all those ideas of bigger screen need bigger movement on how you
>> perform a jestures are wrong. Yes, it is true for some drag and drop case,
>> moving from one point of the screen to another, but the jestues on the
>> ipad is as easy as the phone.
>> Also, if you are one who type quite comfortably on a touch screen, without
>> any external keyboard, you will more than likely to find that typing on
>> iPad mini is easier, than typing on the phone or the full size ipads.
>> I'm an absolute power user, like i said, as its my primary device.
>> However, i only need to charge it every 2 to 3 days, and thats with like
>> 30% to 40% left on my battery.
>> As far as the keyboard case is concern, you can get some keyboard case
>> that is like a book folio, where you have the keyboard on the left, and
>> the ipad on the right. in this setting, more than likely or not you will
>> have your ipad on landscape mode.
>> I usually have my ipad lock on
>> Joanne Chua
>> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Leaders For Tomorrow 2013
>> Candidate
>> Send from my iPad
>>
>>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 4:02, "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D."
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm curious about these keyboard covers or cases for iPads and iPad
>>> Minis. How exactly is the keyboard incorporated into the case? I keep
>>> imagining a keyboard hardware over the lower part of the screen, but this
>>> can't be the case, can it? Is the keyboard on the inside of the flap that
>>> covers the screen when closed? Doesn't this run the risk of damaging the
>>> screen?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for an explanation. Keith
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Rick Alfaro
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>>> iphone
>>>
>>> This is actually a good point if you plan to use the mini as a sort of
>>> laptop. Because of the larger size, the keyboard covers you can get for
>>> them are very nice because they can accomidate a larger keyboard that are
>>> usually very comfortable to type on just like a laptop. In this sense,
>>> the mini works very well and so does the regular full size iPad.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Rick Alfaro
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Ricardo Walker
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:35 AM
>>> To: viphone
>>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>>> iphone
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just came back from a trip to Las Vegas where I left my Macbook pro
>>> behind, and brought my iPad mini with me.  I have a logitech folio
>>> keyboard case for it.  I only use the keyboard when typing not so much
>>> for navigating.  This setup worked extremely well for me.  For starters,
>>> the battery life.  It was nice going 3 days on a single charge, and thats
>>> after hard use.  Video streaming, ebook reading, music streaming, web
>>> browsing, etc.  During that same time, I was recharging my iPhone
>>> sometimes twice a day.
>>>
>>> As far as the gestures go, since the screen is larger, some might feel
>>> their gestures need to be larger as well.  This is definitely not the
>>> case. moving your finger left, right, up or down is more than enough to
>>> do the trick for navigating on an iPad.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom 
 wrote:

 Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad
 2nd generation but we never became friends. Ever

Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi,

Late joiner to the topic but here are some tips:

If you touch at the top of the app and flick right you might get past dates.
What works best for me is to touch somewhere in the middle of the screen and I 
see current date or there about.

To switch from day ticker to other view I do 3 finger flick down. 
If still not finding current double-tapping on go to today button works well 
also.

Hope this helps a bit.
Ioana  to 




Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> I have noticed the same issue that others have mentioned about going to 
> previous months. However, if I do a single finger double tap on the today 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Joseph FreeTech  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually, I've found the 100% very accessible app Alarmed much better for 
>> repeating alarms as one can configure just about any type of alarm:
>> everyday except Saturday and Sunday,
>> every other day at 12 noon,
>> every 3rd Sunday of the month,
>> Tuesday Wednesday Thursday appointment at 2PM,
>> every other year,
>> etc.
>> 
>> To date this app has never failed me when my alarm came due. .
>> 
>> Alarmed ~ Reminders + Timers
>> By Yoctoville
>> Free with $2 ad-ons
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarmed-reminders-+-timers/id371886784?mt=8
>> 
>> Joseph the free tech guy!
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Ron Pelletier" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:53 AM
>> Subject: RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the
>> current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now,
>> I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only
>> will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what the
>> current users brag about the most.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers
>> 
>>   e
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Brian Fischler
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to
>> show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think
>> the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and
>> month you were on.
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find
>> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
>> Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
>> checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me
>> the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still
>> has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders
>> app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
>> Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am
>> wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing
>> something. Thanks,
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
>>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
>> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
>> 
>> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
>>  ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
>> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean
>> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only
>> reads the text as selected.
>> 
>> Need lots of help!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ron & Danvers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world
>> is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Dave Mitchel]

ok, thank you! 
I have an I-phone 5S so do I have containers? 
thanks in advance, 

From: Teresa Cochran 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:55 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about 
ipad mini vs iphone

Containers are areas of the screen that contain groups of controls. For 
example, your status bar is in one container, and below it is another container 
with the text of a document. Below that is the dock in its own container. On 
the iPad, you have to interact with containers, similar to "zooming in" as a 
concept. The Mac Os uses very similar concepts with Voiceover.

HtH,
Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Dave Mitchel  wrote:


  what are containers? what are they used for etc.?

  -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom
  Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:12 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

  I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had was 
with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special beep, 
for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No the 
problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or up 
as i went sideways.
  /Krister


28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :



Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are

confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you can

also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are you

familiar with containers?







Best regards,



Rick Alfaro



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Krister Ekstrom

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs

iphone



Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate

on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i

couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other

commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?

/Krister



  28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :



  Hi Feliciano,

  I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am

  completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are

definitely

  situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at

  one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find

this

  to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I

  also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when

  working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone

but

  it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a

completely

  blind person using Voice Over".

  Thanks,

  Scott Duck





  -Original Message-

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

  Of Feliciano G

  Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com

  Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs

  iphone



  And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses

  voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen

on

  an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.

  Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the

way

  to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things

difficult.



 Regards, Feliciano



  Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v





  Sent from the Super-iPhone



On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:



Hi,



The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't

change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to

the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are

hopefully obvious.



I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it

is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still

use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again

I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which

would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to ta

Re: containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Teresa Cochran]

Containers are areas of the screen that contain groups of controls. For 
example, your status bar is in one container, and below it is another container 
with the text of a document. Below that is the dock in its own container. On 
the iPad, you have to interact with containers, similar to "zooming in" as a 
concept. The Mac Os uses very similar concepts with Voiceover.

HtH,
Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:33 PM, Dave Mitchel  wrote:
> 
> what are containers? what are they used for etc.?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone
> 
> I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had was 
> with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special beep, 
> for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No the 
> problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
> sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
> reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or 
> up as i went sideways.
> /Krister
> 
>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :
>> 
>> Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
>> confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you can
>> also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are you
>> familiar with containers?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Krister Ekstrom
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>> 
>> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate
>> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
>> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other
>> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>>> 
>>> Hi Feliciano,
>>> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
>>> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
>> definitely
>>> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
>>> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
>> this
>>> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
>>> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
>>> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
>> but
>>> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
>> completely
>>> blind person using Voice Over".
>>> Thanks,
>>> Scott Duck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Feliciano G
>>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>>> iphone
>>> 
>>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
>>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
>> on
>>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
>>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
>> way
>>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
>> difficult.
>>> 
>>>Regards, Feliciano
>>> 
>>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
 change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
 the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
 hopefully obvious.
 
 I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
 is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
 use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
 I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
 would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
 bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
 doesn't get that much use.
 
 I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
 them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
 device that isn't a phone or a PC.
 
 Cheers,
 Ben.
 
> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTec

containers?? UTB: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Dave Mitchel]

what are containers? what are they used for etc.?

-Original Message- 
From: Krister Ekstrom

Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had 
was with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special 
beep, for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No 
the problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or 
up as i went sideways.

/Krister


28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :

Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you 
can
also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are 
you

familiar with containers?



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone

Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to 
navigate

on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so 
other

commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
/Krister


28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :

Hi Feliciano,
I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are

definitely

situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find

this

to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen 
when

working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone

but

it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a

completely

blind person using Voice Over".
Thanks,
Scott Duck


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Feliciano G
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone

And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen

on
an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or 
iTouch.

Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the

way

to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things

difficult.


Regards, Feliciano

Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


Sent from the Super-iPhone


On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:

Hi,

The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
hopefully obvious.

I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
doesn't get that much use.

I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
device that isn't a phone or a PC.

Cheers,
Ben.


On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs
iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked
in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list 
archives:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
20iPad

The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked
and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and
wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .

Joseph

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Re: Fantastical 2.1

[Krister Ekstrom]

Can't use Siri either, not available in Sweden and probably won't be for a 
very, very long time even though rumors have it that Apple is working on more 
languages.
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 19:47 skrev Christina C. :
> 
> Krister,
> 
> That is a bummer. However, I don't even use that feature of Fantastical 
> anymore since I just use Siri, unless I want to create a repeating event. 
> I've never tried Siri for that. Even if I did not have the natural language 
> feature with Fantastical I still find it much much easier to use than the 
> native iOS Calendar app. Plus, I love that my reminders/to-do list are in one 
> place with Fantastical. I love how the month view calendar is on the top half 
> but my list of events and reminders are at the bottom half of the screen. It 
> just makes sense to me. :) I haven't used Fantastical for anything 
> complicated or fancy though. :) There are probably things I can do with this 
> app I have never even explored. :)
> 
> Have a great day,
> Christina
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:06 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
>> The problem with the feature allowing you to type a common sentence and have 
>> it be translated into an appointment is that this only works in English, 
>> which is a great big show stopper for me. In fact, i don't understand why 
>> Fantastical is even released here in the Swedish app store when you can't 
>> operate it in Swedish. Luckily the exact feature is present in the MacOs 
>> calendar and it works in Swedish.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 26 jul 2014 kl. 22:34 skrev Jennie Facer :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What I love about Fantastical is you can write a sentence such as:
>>> Appointment on Monday at 2:00 PM.
>>> 
>>> This will put in an event with those specifications. There are other 
>>> sentences you can say, but that is just an expample.
>>> 
>>> Yes, when you create an event, it is also on your native calendar, so you 
>>> can see it on your compputer as well.
>>> 
>>> Jenn
>>> 
>>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Aside from the natural language, is there an advantage to using 
 Fantastical over iOS' default Calendar app? I find Calendar easy enough to 
 use, and have never really had problems with it. It's not the best, but 
 it's fine. I guess I'm wondering what features people like about 
 Fantastical that make it worth it? Also, will Fantastical hook into iOS' 
 calendars? That is, if I make an appointment with it, will that then sync 
 to iOS, and from there propagate through iCloud to sync with my Mac's 
 default calendar app?
 On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 
> Thanks Jenny. Great to hear the app works great probably going to check 
> it out.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
>> I love this app! I also can put a reminder in this app and it will come 
>> up on my computer. I have a windows computer, and i don't know if the 
>> Mac is accesssible or not. I heard no.
>> 
>> I like this update because it has keyboard shortcuts. They work 
>> wonderful also.
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Brian Fischler  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> 
>>> Just noticed Fantastical was updated again and now half price. I have 
>>> heard mixed on this app from the VoiceOver community, but am thinking 
>>> about finally buying it, wanted to see what people here thought of it. 
>>> I rarely use the calendar app on the iPhone as it is kind of a pain to 
>>> use, are people finding it much smoother to use the fantastical 
>>> calendar? I do use reminders a lot but I like being able to just hold 
>>> in the button to quickly launch Siri to create a reminder. I assume 
>>> using the reminder part of Fantastical will just take launching the app 
>>> first, but is just as easy? Also I read that the mac version is not as 
>>> accessible with VO. Does anyone know if that has changed? One of the 
>>> things I love most about the native reminders app is having a reminder 
>>> pop up on my iMac and iPhone, and can dismiss very easily. Just wanted 
>>> to get the most recent opinions of the app. Thanks,
>>> 
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Fwd: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joanne Chua]

> Hi
> 
> I have iPad mini, ipad4, and iphone5. I absolutely love my iPad mini.
> I use my iPad mini as my primary device, and yes, thats greater than what i 
> would use on my MacBook Air, or my laptop pc.
> I use it for almost everything and anything, from web browsing, emailing, 
> ereading, skype, gaming, just praticlely anything but phoning.
> I think all those ideas of bigger screen need bigger movement on how you 
> perform a jestures are wrong. Yes, it is true for some drag and drop case, 
> moving from one point of the screen to another, but the jestues on the ipad 
> is as easy as the phone.
> Also, if you are one who type quite comfortably on a touch screen, without 
> any external keyboard, you will more than likely to find that typing on iPad 
> mini is easier, than typing on the phone or the full size ipads.
> I'm an absolute power user, like i said, as its my primary device. However, i 
> only need to charge it every 2 to 3 days, and thats with like 30% to 40% left 
> on my battery.
> As far as the keyboard case is concern, you can get some keyboard case that 
> is like a book folio, where you have the keyboard on the left, and the ipad 
> on the right. in this setting, more than likely or not you will have your 
> ipad on landscape mode.
> I usually have my ipad lock on
> Joanne Chua
> The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
> Send from my iPad
> 
>> On 29 Jul 2014, at 4:02, "Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D." 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm curious about these keyboard covers or cases for iPads and iPad Minis. 
>> How exactly is the keyboard incorporated into the case? I keep imagining a 
>> keyboard hardware over the lower part of the screen, but this can't be the 
>> case, can it? Is the keyboard on the inside of the flap that covers the 
>> screen when closed? Doesn't this run the risk of damaging the screen?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for an explanation. Keith
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Rick Alfaro
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
>> iphone
>> 
>> This is actually a good point if you plan to use the mini as a sort of 
>> laptop. Because of the larger size, the keyboard covers you can get for them 
>> are very nice because they can accomidate a larger keyboard that are usually 
>> very comfortable to type on just like a laptop. In this sense, the mini 
>> works very well and so does the regular full size iPad.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Rick Alfaro
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Ricardo Walker
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:35 AM
>> To: viphone
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
>> iphone
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just came back from a trip to Las Vegas where I left my Macbook pro 
>> behind, and brought my iPad mini with me.  I have a logitech folio keyboard 
>> case for it.  I only use the keyboard when typing not so much for 
>> navigating.  This setup worked extremely well for me.  For starters, the 
>> battery life.  It was nice going 3 days on a single charge, and thats after 
>> hard use.  Video streaming, ebook reading, music streaming, web browsing, 
>> etc.  During that same time, I was recharging my iPhone sometimes twice a 
>> day.
>> 
>> As far as the gestures go, since the screen is larger, some might feel their 
>> gestures need to be larger as well.  This is definitely not the case. moving 
>> your finger left, right, up or down is more than enough to do the trick for 
>> navigating on an iPad. 
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
>>> generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
>>> gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m 
>>> not good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused 
>>> this issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself 
>>> one of these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i 
>>> want an ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if 
>>> anything do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the 
>>> other? What works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini 
>>> really easier to navigate than an Air or the like?
>>> Thanks for any answer.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joseph FreeTech]

The mindset for learning how to interact with the iPad is the same. 
Experiment, experiment, and experiment some more. . First try small 
swipes, and if you don't get a response, try a longer swipe, etc, etc. Try 
swiping on different parts of the screen. As long as you don't tap on 
anything, you won't get lost, but even if you do, you always have your 
trusty home button to take you back to a familiar place. .

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


Hmm, but i use an IPhone daily, so i thought it would be much the same, but 
obviously it isn't, probably because the screen is bigger.
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:32 skrev Joseph FreeTech :
>
> Ok, it sounds as though your difficulties are associated with using the
> interface rather than the device. . In other words, if you were to
> purchase an iPad, it seems as though your problem will be exactly the same
> since you've not gotten the hang of executing gestures. .
>
> When executing a swipe, try this...
>
> Take your left thumb and fold the knuckle down. Now take your right index
> finger and use the padded side of your finger tip to swipe from left to
> right--from your knuckle to the tip of your finger nail. Try increasing 
> the
> speed so that you smoothly touch your thumb then slide past your nail
> quickly and without stopping to leave your finger on the thumb at all as 
> the
> goal is to swipe across your thumb and never rest your index finger on it.
> Be mindful of the sensation on your thumb, it should be one of feeling 
> your
> index finger sliding across in a straight line. Notice that you will only
> have about a half inch or so of room to swipe across your thumb.
>
> After practicing this swiping motion on your thumb, open your iDevice to 
> the
> home screen and repeat the left to right swiping motion. Try to swipe on 
> the
> surface for a distance of about half an inch (the distance of your knuckle
> to your fingertip). Move through all your apps from left to right then
> reverse the swiping to move from your last app to your first one--you will
> of course now be moving your finger from right to left. The goal in 
> swiping
> through all your apps is one of consistency in movement. Also try to be
> mindful of the position of your iDevice in that if you hold it at a weird
> angle then swipe, it might register as a vertical swipe rather than a
> horizontal swipe. In other words, at first try to be very mindful of the
> angle of your iDevice and the angle of your swipe and eventually it will
> become habit and you will be able to focus more on what you're doing than
> what is going wrong with your swiping. .
>
> If it helps, I've also read other listers state that they think of swiping
> as using your fingertip to flick a smudge off of your computer screen, or
> flick a bug off of one's skin. .
>
> HTH
>
> Joseph the free tech guy!
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
>
>
> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to 
> navigate
> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so 
> other
> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
> /Krister
>
>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>>
>> Hi Feliciano,
>> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
>> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
>> definitely
>> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
>> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
>> this
>> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
>> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen 
>> when
>> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
>> but
>> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
>> completely
>> blind person using Voice Over".
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Feliciano G
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>>
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
>> on
>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or 
>> iTouch.
>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
>> way
>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
>> difficult.
>>
>> 

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joseph FreeTech]

Don't forget to also insure that when swiping your rotor should be on 
characters or words. This will insure that when you swipe down you don't 
move beong the current word as opposed to being taken to another place on 
the screen if you have the rotor set to another form of navigation. In other 
words, when your rotor is set to characters, you will insure you always have 
a consistent experience when swiping and navigating the screen. I always, 
"always" make it a habit to leave my rotor on characters or words.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had 
was with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special 
beep, for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No 
the problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or 
up as i went sideways.
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :
>
> Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
> confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you 
> can
> also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are 
> you
> familiar with containers?
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
>
> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to 
> navigate
> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so 
> other
> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
> /Krister
>
>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>>
>> Hi Feliciano,
>> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
>> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
> definitely
>> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
>> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
> this
>> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
>> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen 
>> when
>> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
> but
>> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
> completely
>> blind person using Voice Over".
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Feliciano G
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>>
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
> on
>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or 
>> iTouch.
>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
> way
>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
> difficult.
>>
>> Regards, Feliciano
>>
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>>
>>
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>>> hopefully obvious.
>>>
>>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>>> doesn't get that much use.
>>>
>>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>>
 On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
 Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs
 iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked
 in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list 
 archives:
 

Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Richard Turner]

Hi Ron,
Sorry I didn't have time to get back to you sooner.

Are you talking about rescheduling an appointment for a different day?
I open the appointment and then double tap edit in the upper right.
Then I double tap on the date and find the picker and make the adjustments.
I hope that helps,
Richard


"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>  
> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO? 
> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean 
> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only 
> reads the text as selected. 
> Need lots of help!
>  
> Ron & Danvers
> ?
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
> In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world
> is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
>  
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Les Kriegler]

I have noticed the same issue that others have mentioned about going to 
previous months. However, if I do a single finger double tap on the today 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:16 PM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
> 
> Actually, I've found the 100% very accessible app Alarmed much better for 
> repeating alarms as one can configure just about any type of alarm:
> everyday except Saturday and Sunday,
> every other day at 12 noon,
> every 3rd Sunday of the month,
> Tuesday Wednesday Thursday appointment at 2PM,
> every other year,
> etc.
> 
> To date this app has never failed me when my alarm came due. .
> 
> Alarmed ~ Reminders + Timers
> By Yoctoville
> Free with $2 ad-ons
> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarmed-reminders-+-timers/id371886784?mt=8
> 
> Joseph the free tech guy!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ron Pelletier" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:53 AM
> Subject: RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help
> 
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> 
> 
> I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the
> current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now,
> I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only
> will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what the
> current users brag about the most.
> 
> 
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
>e
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Brian Fischler
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
> 
> 
> 
> Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to
> show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think
> the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and
> month you were on.
> 
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find
> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
> Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
> checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me
> the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still
> has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders
> app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
> Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am
> wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing
> something. Thanks,
> 
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
> 
> 
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
> To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
> 
> 
> 
> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
> 
> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
>  ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean
> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only
> reads the text as selected.
> 
> Need lots of help!
> 
> 
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> Ron & Danvers
> 
> 
> 
> In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world
> is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Krister Ekstrom]

Mmm, makes sense. Well if i'm gonna get a mini, there's gonna be time to 
train.:-)
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 19:06 skrev RobH. :
> 
> Two things with this, and maybe the larger space does confuse gesture 
> direction.
> First, the gestures have to be bigger, a flick or swipe has to travel a 
> proportiono f the screen to register, .
> 
> But since you can flick and swipe pretty well anywhere, relatively near an 
> edge where you can use a thumb on the outside of the case as direction 
> guide.
> 
> Rh.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
> iphone
> 
> 
> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate 
> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i 
> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other 
> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
> /Krister
> 
>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>> 
>> Hi Feliciano,
>> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
>> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are 
>> definitely
>> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
>> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find 
>> this
>> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
>> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
>> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone 
>> but
>> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a 
>> completely
>> blind person using Voice Over".
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Feliciano G
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>> 
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen 
>> on
>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the 
>> way
>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things 
>> difficult.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>>> hopefully obvious.
>>> 
>>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>>> doesn't get that much use.
>>> 
>>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>> 
 On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
 Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs
 iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked
 in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
 20iPad
 
 The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
 questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked
 and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and
 wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .
 
 Joseph
 
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Richard Turner]

Hi,

I'm not sure why folks are having issues with Fantastical 2.  First, make sure 
in the Fantastical 2 settings that Reminders are on and if you want completed 
reminders, make sure they are on as well.
I've never had it not start on the current day, so I'm not sure whatmay be 
causing that.
I have found their support to be very good, so if making sure the settings are 
as you want them and it is still not working correctly, write them at:
h...@flexibits.com

Also, I find that the month view is much better than the Day Ticker, so if you 
are hearing "Day Ticker" touch near the top of the screen where it says that 
and do a three finger swipe down.
That should switch you to the month view.

Don't give up on the app.  It really does work tremendously well.

HTH,
Richard


"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> Hey Ron,
> 
> Agree with you a hundred percent and thanks for letting em know I am not the 
> only one questioning why in the world I bought this. I guess just because a 
> lot of VO users like an app doesn’t mean it is for everyone. Glad that it is 
> accessible and we have multiple choices, but sometimes what you already have 
> might be good enough. Not sure why a calendar app wouldn’t consistently open 
> on the current week. I will play around with this but considering the 
> reminders I have created still don’t show up in the app, thinking this one 
> might not stay on my phone, and it’s to bad as I kept waiting and waiting on 
> this app and finally decided to go for it, and hindsight is 20/20.
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Ron Pelletier  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Brian,
>>  
>> I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn’t open in the 
>> current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now, 
>> I’m thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only 
>> will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That’s seems to be what the 
>> current users brag about the most.
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>> e
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Brian Fischler
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>  
>> Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to 
>> show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think 
>> the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and 
>> month you were on.
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find 
>> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in 
>> Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have 
>> checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me 
>> the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still 
>> has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders 
>> app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of 
>> Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am 
>> wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing 
>> something. Thanks,
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>  
>> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
>> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO? 
>> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean 
>> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only 
>> reads the text as selected. 
>> Need lots of help!
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>> ?
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>>  
>> In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world
>> is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
>>  
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hmm, but i use an IPhone daily, so i thought it would be much the same, but 
obviously it isn't, probably because the screen is bigger.
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:32 skrev Joseph FreeTech :
> 
> Ok, it sounds as though your difficulties are associated with using the 
> interface rather than the device. . In other words, if you were to 
> purchase an iPad, it seems as though your problem will be exactly the same 
> since you've not gotten the hang of executing gestures. .
> 
> When executing a swipe, try this...
> 
> Take your left thumb and fold the knuckle down. Now take your right index 
> finger and use the padded side of your finger tip to swipe from left to 
> right--from your knuckle to the tip of your finger nail. Try increasing the 
> speed so that you smoothly touch your thumb then slide past your nail 
> quickly and without stopping to leave your finger on the thumb at all as the 
> goal is to swipe across your thumb and never rest your index finger on it. 
> Be mindful of the sensation on your thumb, it should be one of feeling your 
> index finger sliding across in a straight line. Notice that you will only 
> have about a half inch or so of room to swipe across your thumb.
> 
> After practicing this swiping motion on your thumb, open your iDevice to the 
> home screen and repeat the left to right swiping motion. Try to swipe on the 
> surface for a distance of about half an inch (the distance of your knuckle 
> to your fingertip). Move through all your apps from left to right then 
> reverse the swiping to move from your last app to your first one--you will 
> of course now be moving your finger from right to left. The goal in swiping 
> through all your apps is one of consistency in movement. Also try to be 
> mindful of the position of your iDevice in that if you hold it at a weird 
> angle then swipe, it might register as a vertical swipe rather than a 
> horizontal swipe. In other words, at first try to be very mindful of the 
> angle of your iDevice and the angle of your swipe and eventually it will 
> become habit and you will be able to focus more on what you're doing than 
> what is going wrong with your swiping. .
> 
> If it helps, I've also read other listers state that they think of swiping 
> as using your fingertip to flick a smudge off of your computer screen, or 
> flick a bug off of one's skin. .
> 
> HTH
> 
> Joseph the free tech guy!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:01 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
> iphone
> 
> 
> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate 
> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i 
> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other 
> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
> /Krister
> 
>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>> 
>> Hi Feliciano,
>> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
>> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are 
>> definitely
>> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
>> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find 
>> this
>> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
>> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
>> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone 
>> but
>> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a 
>> completely
>> blind person using Voice Over".
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Feliciano G
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>> 
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen 
>> on
>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the 
>> way
>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things 
>> difficult.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>>> hopefully obvious.
>>> 
>>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>>> use a computer for this sort of 

Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Joseph FreeTech]

Actually, I've found the 100% very accessible app Alarmed much better for 
repeating alarms as one can configure just about any type of alarm:
everyday except Saturday and Sunday,
every other day at 12 noon,
every 3rd Sunday of the month,
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday appointment at 2PM,
every other year,
etc.

To date this app has never failed me when my alarm came due. .

Alarmed ~ Reminders + Timers
By Yoctoville
Free with $2 ad-ons
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/alarmed-reminders-+-timers/id371886784?mt=8

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Pelletier" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:53 AM
Subject: RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help


Hi Brian,



I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the
current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now,
I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only
will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what the
current users brag about the most.



Ron & Danvers

e



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help



Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to
show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think
the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and
month you were on.

On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:





Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find
the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me
the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still
has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders
app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am
wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing
something. Thanks,

On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
wrote:





Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?



Ron & Danvers





From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help



Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.

Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.

HTH,

Richard





"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo



Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
 ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi all,



In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean
by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only
reads the text as selected.

Need lots of help!



Ron & Danvers

?



Ron & Danvers



In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird. Now the world
is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.



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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Krister Ekstrom]

I hope i am familiar with containers, but i don't think the problem i had was 
with them. As soon as you go over a container border there's a special beep, 
for example when you go to the virtual keyboard there's that beep. No the 
problem i had was in swiping, i got forced back to where i left off and 
sometimes the ipad or rather voiceover on it would do other commands like 
reading a character  when in character mode and so on. I kept going down or up 
as i went sideways.
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 18:52 skrev Rick Alfaro :
> 
> Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
> confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you can
> also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are you
> familiar with containers?
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
> 
> Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate
> on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
> couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other
> commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
> /Krister
> 
>> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>> 
>> Hi Feliciano,
>> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
>> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
> definitely
>> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
>> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
> this
>> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
>> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
>> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
> but
>> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
> completely
>> blind person using Voice Over".
>> Thanks,
>> Scott Duck
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Feliciano G
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>> 
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
> on
>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
> way
>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
> difficult.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't 
>>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to 
>>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are 
>>> hopefully obvious.
>>> 
>>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it 
>>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still 
>>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again 
>>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which 
>>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a 
>>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen 
>>> doesn't get that much use.
>>> 
>>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for 
>>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a 
>>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>> 
 On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
 Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs 
 iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked 
 in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
 20iPad
 
 The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up 
 questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked 
 and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and 
 wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .
 
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ron,

Agree with you a hundred percent and thanks for letting em know I am not the 
only one questioning why in the world I bought this. I guess just because a lot 
of VO users like an app doesn't mean it is for everyone. Glad that it is 
accessible and we have multiple choices, but sometimes what you already have 
might be good enough. Not sure why a calendar app wouldn't consistently open on 
the current week. I will play around with this but considering the reminders I 
have created still don't show up in the app, thinking this one might not stay 
on my phone, and it's to bad as I kept waiting and waiting on this app and 
finally decided to go for it, and hindsight is 20/20.
On Jul 28, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>  
> I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the 
> current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now, 
> I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only 
> will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what the 
> current users brag about the most.
>  
> Ron & Danvers
> e
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Brian Fischler
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>  
> Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to 
> show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think 
> the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and 
> month you were on.
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find 
> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in Fantastical. 
> also twice in the first few days of using the app I have checked the box that 
> a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me the error report, 
> thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still has yet to appear in 
> Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders app so I know it has 
> been created. Overall, my first impressions of Fantastical is that for a VO 
> user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am wrong, but not very impressed 
> so far. Please do point out if I am missing something. Thanks,
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>  
> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO? 
> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean 
> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only 
> reads the text as selected. 
> Need lots of help!
>  
> Ron & Danvers
> ?
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
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> is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
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RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Brian,

 

I get the same thing and I find it frustrating. Why doesn't open in the
current week? Can you think of even one reason why it does that? Right now,
I'm thinking that my VO Calendar was a better purchase. I will probably only
will use Fantastical to set repeat appointments. That's seems to be what the
current users brag about the most.

 

Ron & Danvers

e

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

 

Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to
show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think
the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and
month you were on.

On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:





Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find
the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me
the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still
has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders
app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am
wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing
something. Thanks,

On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
wrote:





Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

 

Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.

Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
 ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi all,

 

In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean
by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only
reads the text as selected. 

Need lots of help!

 

Ron & Danvers

?

 

Ron & Danvers

 

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is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.

 

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RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Hi,

I'm curious about these keyboard covers or cases for iPads and iPad Minis. How 
exactly is the keyboard incorporated into the case? I keep imagining a keyboard 
hardware over the lower part of the screen, but this can't be the case, can it? 
Is the keyboard on the inside of the flap that covers the screen when closed? 
Doesn't this run the risk of damaging the screen?

Thanks in advance for an explanation. Keith

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

This is actually a good point if you plan to use the mini as a sort of laptop. 
Because of the larger size, the keyboard covers you can get for them are very 
nice because they can accomidate a larger keyboard that are usually very 
comfortable to type on just like a laptop. In this sense, the mini works very 
well and so does the regular full size iPad.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ricardo Walker
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:35 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

Hi,

I just came back from a trip to Las Vegas where I left my Macbook pro behind, 
and brought my iPad mini with me.  I have a logitech folio keyboard case for 
it.  I only use the keyboard when typing not so much for navigating.  This 
setup worked extremely well for me.  For starters, the battery life.  It was 
nice going 3 days on a single charge, and thats after hard use.  Video 
streaming, ebook reading, music streaming, web browsing, etc.  During that same 
time, I was recharging my iPhone sometimes twice a day.

As far as the gestures go, since the screen is larger, some might feel their 
gestures need to be larger as well.  This is definitely not the case. moving 
your finger left, right, up or down is more than enough to do the trick for 
navigating on an iPad. 

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
> generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
> gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m not 
> good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused this 
> issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself one of 
> these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i want an 
> ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if anything 
> do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? What 
> works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really easier 
> to navigate than an Air or the like?
> Thanks for any answer.
> /Krister
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Gmail]

I've never used an iPad, and although these benefits sound nice, I don't see 
them being nice enough to justify spending that much money on an iPad or an 
iPad Mini.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:39 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> using the example of settings, the larger display has 2 benefits in my 
> opinion.  First, the display is split into 2 columns. On the left hand side, 
> you have the primary categories found in settings.  Wifi, bluetooth, general, 
> privacy, iCloud, etc.   This never changes.  Tapping on these categories 
> instead of opening a new page like on devices with smaller screens, only the 
> column on the right is changed to show the choices in the category you've 
> selected.  So with this setup, you spend less time using the back button or 
> gesture.  A small thing but, its very efficient and saves time.  Second, more 
> options are displayed in a list.  I can run my finger down the left column in 
> settings and have immediate access to more categories without swiping 3 
> fingers up to scroll up to display more items on the screen.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
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> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,
>> 
>> Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an example 
>> as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please 
>> give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a 
>> larger screen will make navigation easier.
>> 
>> thank you
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Teresa Cochran" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
>> iphone
>> 
>> 
>> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing 
>> a larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll 
>> as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a 
>> screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any 
>> given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina 
>> display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more 
>> manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100 
>> US more just for more screen.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most 
>>> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these 
>>> apps don't always display properly.
>>> 
>>> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the 
>>> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>>> 
>>> Just something to consider.
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl 
  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am 
 totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my 
 daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for 
 the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger 
 screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is 
 another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing 
 my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't 
 going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini 
> more difficult to use?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger 
>> screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an 
>> iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell 
>> them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger 
>> screen makes things difficult.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>>> change when t

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Alan Paganelli]

I have the bard reading app on both my iPhone and my iPad Air.  The audio 
quality on my Air is by far better then it is on my iPhone.  I just wish one 
day they make it where you can start listening on one device and pickup 
where you left off on the other one.  I don't mind downloading the same book 
on both my iPhone and my iPad so only a place marker would be needed to be 
sent to the other devices.


Regards,

Alan

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- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone



In my case, I muse my Ipad mini as my main reading device.  It has much
better battery life and better speakers than my specialized players.
Unlike the specialized players I now have, I can't download books to
them like my ipad mini.

On 7/28/2014 4:09 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
hopefully obvious.

I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
doesn't get that much use.

I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
device that isn't a phone or a PC.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:

Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad

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for

an answer as the answer is already available. .

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Alan Paganelli]

On my iPad Air, I can view a list of email on the left side of the split 
screen and a summary about 5 lines of text on the right side.  This makes it 
much faster to deal with a lot of messages quickly.


When you take an iPad in my case it's the iPad Air, and mate it with a 
keyboard case, now you have a laptop.  With my case, when I don't require 
the QWERTY keyboard but I do want to play games, I can lift the screen up 
and lay it on it's back with the back resting on the typing keys making a 
solid stable platform.  Yes you can buy an external keyboard.  I have an 
Amazon Basics Bluetooth wireless keyboard that I bought about a year ago. 
When I got the keyboard case for my iPad, the Amazon basics Bluetooth 
wireless keyboard got shoved in my backpack where it stays.  When taking my 
iPad Air, I just toss the Amazon keyboard aside in favor of my iPad air.


Regards,

Alan

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- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph FreeTech" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone



Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,

Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an example
as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please
give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a
larger screen will make navigation easier.

thank you

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Cochran" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone


I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing
a larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll
as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a
screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any
given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina
display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more
manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100
US more just for more screen.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:

I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most
apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these
apps don't always display properly.

I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the
iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.

Just something to consider.

Donna


On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl
 wrote:

Hello all,

I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am
totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my
daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for
the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger
screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is
another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing
my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't
going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker 
wrote:

Hmm,

I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini
anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini
more difficult to use?

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info


On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G 
wrote:

And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger
screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an
iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell
them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger
screen makes things difficult.

  Regards, Feliciano

Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


Sent from the Super-iPhone


On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:

Hi,

The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
hopefully obvious.

I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again

RE: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Danny Leung]

I encounter similar problem, earlier days kept show up on the screen. In
addition, I seem like having problem to locate the future day, after I have
chosen it.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brian Fischler
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

 

Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to
show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think
the app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and
month you were on.

On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:





Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find
the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in
Fantastical. also twice in the first few days of using the app I have
checked the box that a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me
the error report, thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still
has yet to appear in Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders
app so I know it has been created. Overall, my first impressions of
Fantastical is that for a VO user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am
wrong, but not very impressed so far. Please do point out if I am missing
something. Thanks,

On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier 
wrote:





Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?

 

Ron & Danvers

 

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com [
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

 

Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.

Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

"Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier <
 ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Hi all,

 

In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO?
Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean
by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only
reads the text as selected. 

Need lots of help!

 

Ron & Danvers

?

 

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Re: Fantastical 2.1

[Christina C.]

Krister,

That is a bummer. However, I don't even use that feature of Fantastical anymore 
since I just use Siri, unless I want to create a repeating event. I've never 
tried Siri for that. Even if I did not have the natural language feature with 
Fantastical I still find it much much easier to use than the native iOS 
Calendar app. Plus, I love that my reminders/to-do list are in one place with 
Fantastical. I love how the month view calendar is on the top half but my list 
of events and reminders are at the bottom half of the screen. It just makes 
sense to me. :) I haven't used Fantastical for anything complicated or fancy 
though. :) There are probably things I can do with this app I have never even 
explored. :)

Have a great day,
Christina
On Jul 27, 2014, at 3:06 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> The problem with the feature allowing you to type a common sentence and have 
> it be translated into an appointment is that this only works in English, 
> which is a great big show stopper for me. In fact, i don't understand why 
> Fantastical is even released here in the Swedish app store when you can't 
> operate it in Swedish. Luckily the exact feature is present in the MacOs 
> calendar and it works in Swedish.
> /Krister
> 
>> 26 jul 2014 kl. 22:34 skrev Jennie Facer :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> What I love about Fantastical is you can write a sentence such as:
>> Appointment on Monday at 2:00 PM.
>> 
>> This will put in an event with those specifications. There are other 
>> sentences you can say, but that is just an expample.
>> 
>> Yes, when you create an event, it is also on your native calendar, so you 
>> can see it on your compputer as well.
>> 
>> Jenn
>> 
>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Aside from the natural language, is there an advantage to using Fantastical 
>>> over iOS' default Calendar app? I find Calendar easy enough to use, and 
>>> have never really had problems with it. It's not the best, but it's fine. I 
>>> guess I'm wondering what features people like about Fantastical that make 
>>> it worth it? Also, will Fantastical hook into iOS' calendars? That is, if I 
>>> make an appointment with it, will that then sync to iOS, and from there 
>>> propagate through iCloud to sync with my Mac's default calendar app?
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks Jenny. Great to hear the app works great probably going to check it 
 out.
 On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
 
> I love this app! I also can put a reminder in this app and it will come 
> up on my computer. I have a windows computer, and i don't know if the Mac 
> is accesssible or not. I heard no.
> 
> I like this update because it has keyboard shortcuts. They work wonderful 
> also.
> 
> Jenn
> 
> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey,
>> 
>> Just noticed Fantastical was updated again and now half price. I have 
>> heard mixed on this app from the VoiceOver community, but am thinking 
>> about finally buying it, wanted to see what people here thought of it. I 
>> rarely use the calendar app on the iPhone as it is kind of a pain to 
>> use, are people finding it much smoother to use the fantastical 
>> calendar? I do use reminders a lot but I like being able to just hold in 
>> the button to quickly launch Siri to create a reminder. I assume using 
>> the reminder part of Fantastical will just take launching the app first, 
>> but is just as easy? Also I read that the mac version is not as 
>> accessible with VO. Does anyone know if that has changed? One of the 
>> things I love most about the native reminders app is having a reminder 
>> pop up on my iMac and iPhone, and can dismiss very easily. Just wanted 
>> to get the most recent opinions of the app. Thanks,
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Brian Fischler]

Additionally not sure why but when I launch Fantastical it seems to want to 
show me February and March again am I missing something as you would think the 
app would open by default on the current month and day or last day and month 
you were on.
On Jul 28, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find 
> the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in Fantastical. 
> also twice in the first few days of using the app I have checked the box that 
> a reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me the error report, 
> thirdly I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still has yet to appear in 
> Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders app so I know it has 
> been created. Overall, my first impressions of Fantastical is that for a VO 
> user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am wrong, but not very impressed 
> so far. Please do point out if I am missing something. Thanks,
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>>  
>> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
>> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO? 
>> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean 
>> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only 
>> reads the text as selected. 
>> Need lots of help!
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>> ?
>>  
>> Ron & Danvers
>>  
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>> is weird, and people take Prozac to make it normal.
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Re: How to remove a post from Facebook

[Joseph Hudson]

Hi, this also works via the Facebook app by going to the more tab and choosing 
your activity log. If somebody still having problems with this, I will be more 
than glad to help you via Skype or via the telephone whichever you prefer just 
email me off list and I will give you information to contact me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> You can delete post via the m.facebook.com site. Go to your timeline, swipe 
> to you hear activity log, choose this and find the post that you want to 
> delete, double tap on the More button and then select delete. 
> 
> Donna 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
>> 
>> You were able to access this view on the previous version of Facebook. The 
>> steps worked to go to your timeline, double tap with two fingers on the 
>> post. Then go to a more option. Then there you are given the option to 
>> delete. After double tapping on the more option, the view is no longer 
>> accessible with voiceover. Report the problem, I did it we could go.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:28 AM, "Beth G"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Can this be done from the iPhone? If so, how? I see an option for more when 
>>> i double tap on one of my posts i wish to remove, but then it freezes. Sent 
>>> from my iPhone
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Jennie Facer]

Hi all,

I love my iPad mini. I also have an iPhone. I love both of them just as much. I 
listen to the iPad a lot because of its good speaker. It also has a great 
battery.

Jenn

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:45 AM, "Rick Alfaro"  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I have both an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini. Originally, I purchased the mini 
> thinking that I would find some sort of benefit to the larger screen. To make 
> a long story short, the mini never gets used by me personally. My wife uses 
> it more than I do for those occasions when she has left her larger iPad 
> upstairs or something.
> 
> I did not find I gained any real benefit from the larger screen and actually 
> found the containers used on iPads sort of annoying. For me, the mini was a 
> waste of money already having an iPhone. I can of course do everything on the 
> phone that I can do on the mini. The phone fits in my pocket or on my belt 
> where the mini does not and I don't have to deal with those annoying 
> containers. I know how to use the containers when needed, so it isn't lack of 
> knowledge on my end. This is strictly my own personal opinion so I'm sure 
> others will chime in with their perspective.
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Krister Ekstrom
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone
> 
> Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
> generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
> gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m not 
> good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused this 
> issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself one of 
> these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i want an 
> ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if anything 
> do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? What 
> works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really easier 
> to navigate than an Air or the like?
> Thanks for any answer.
> /Krister
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Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help

[Brian Fischler]

Am I missing something with Fantastical? I like to use reminders, but I find 
the reminders keep disappearing from the middle of the screen in Fantastical. 
also twice in the first few days of using the app I have checked the box that a 
reminder has been done and the app crashes giving me the error report, thirdly 
I created a reminder in Fantastical and it still has yet to appear in 
Fantastical but it does appear in the native reminders app so I know it has 
been created. Overall, my first impressions of Fantastical is that for a VO 
user it is a waste of five bucks, I hope I am wrong, but not very impressed so 
far. Please do point out if I am missing something. Thanks,
On Jul 27, 2014, at 9:57 PM, Ron Pelletier  wrote:

> Hey Richard, thanks for the tip. Now, how do I move a calendar event?
>  
> Ron & Danvers
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 2:05 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New to Fantastical 2, need help
>  
> Double-tap and hold on the Go To Today button.
> Then, you will find pickers for month, day and year.
> HTH,
> Richard
>  
>  
> "Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education." - Victor Hugo
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Ron Pelletier  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> In Fantastical 2, how do I go to a given date in the future using VO? 
> Instructions in the help only give the motions without VO. What do they mean 
> by pull down on the Ticker? I go to the ticker and flick down and it only 
> reads the text as selected. 
> Need lots of help!
>  
> Ron & Danvers
> ?
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Re: Looking for a good Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Jennie Facer]

My friend who gave me this information is on this list, but is unable to post 
for some reason. He gets posts, but he cannot post. He has tried to contact 
moderators to no avail. Unfortunately, I know nothing about this little 
keyboard except for what he said. I'm sure he will send me more messages to 
post regarding it.

Jenn

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> 
> I'm curious, how does it support all three operating systems? I always just 
> assumed that any keyboard, it being standard and all, would support any 
> operating system, and that the only difference between a keyboard for an IOS 
> device and a keyboard for a Windows devices was the key caps.
> 
>> On 07/28/2014 04:19 AM, Gmail wrote:
>> I've never used it, but Jenny posted to the list recently about this 
>> keyboard. I'll put what she wrote in her message below.
>> 
>> In the meantime I wanted to pass along a tip on a great little Bluetooth 
>> keyboard that costs half as much as the Logitech K810.  It is the Sharkk 3.0 
>> bluetooth keyboard.  It is a tiny bit smaller than the Logitech and it 
>> supports all 3 operating systems, iOS, Windows and Android all on the one 
>> keyboard.  You use simple commands to switch between them.  Unlike the 
>> Logitech the function keys are regular function keys meaning if you use it 
>> with Windows keystrokes like alt+f4, insert+f11 etc all work where as on the 
>> Logitech you would need to download and install utility to make that work.  
>> It has great battery life and for those who want it it is back lit with a 
>> choice of 7 colors and brightnesses.  Perhaps the best part is that it only 
>> costs $29.99.  I own one and a friend of mine just got one and both he and 
>> his wife like it much better then the Rivo keyboard which they say is much 
>> to tiny.  She says she wished she had one of these instead.Btw, it defaults 
>> to iOS for the keyboard con
> figuration.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will agree with this. I love my Logitech 810.
>>> 
>>> Jenn
>>> 
>>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:00 AM, "'Ming' via VIPhone" 
  wrote:
 
 I think Logitech is a good one.
 
 Ming
 Skype: chungchiming9950
 
 
> On 2014年7月26日, at 下午3:58, Beth G  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm looking for a good Bluetooth keyboard recommendation. I prefer the 
> QWERTY PC layout as I am not a MacUser
> I have an iPhone 5. Any recommendation to be helpful. Thank you
> 
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Re: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution

[Jan Kleinhans]

Hi

Thank you for that.  So, I will then say the first name as Siri says it, and 
then has to go through all the steps to teach it to say the surname 
correctly?  Will give this a try.  It would be rather strange if you have to 
do that for contacts with a simular surname though, but will try and see 
what happens.


Thank you

Jan Kleinhans
- Original Message - 
From: "Thom Spittle" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution


It seems that you have to go through the whole name. You would choose how
the first name is spoken, then the last.
Also, I believe you have to do it to each contact with that last name.

HTH,
Thom

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jan Kleinhans
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution

Hi

I was wondering if you were only to change the last name, would you still
speak out the whole contact name then, as the name might be spoken
correctly, but you only want to change the surname for instanse?
I have a few contacts where the first names are okay, but I would want to
change the surname spoken.

Thanks for an interesting topic.

Jan Kleinhans- Original Message -
From: "Joseph FreeTech" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:46 PM
Subject: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution


Ok all, couldn't resist, so I experimented a bit more, and here is how I
used Siri to change how it pronounces odd names:
1. Ask Siri to "Contact x" (where X is the person with the oddly spoken
name).

2. Regardless of Siri's answer, press the Home button to essentially cancel
the request.

3. Now, press the Home button once again and say the following to Siri:
That is not how you pronounce X.
Note: remember, X is the person's unusual name.

4. Siri will ask you: "Ok, how do you pronounce the name X?" Siri will wait
for an answer, so go ahead and say out loud the person's name.

5. After saying the person's name, the next prompt you will get is Siri
asking: "Ok, thank you, which pronunciation should I use?"

6. At this point use a 4-finger single tap to go to the top of the screen
and swipe to the right to read the screen. When you reach "Play option 1"
you will double-tap to hear the new Siri pronunciation. You will probably
get three choices, so listen to them in the same way just described. when
you are ready to make a choice simply double-tap on the "Select button"
associated with the desired option.

7. You will be asked to choose a pronunciation for any remaining parts of
the person's name such as left middle and last name.

8. When the process has completed, you will hear one of two messages:
"Thanks for correcting me on that, I'll pronounce it as X from now on."
or
"Great, I'll pronounce it "X" from now on."
If you are not presented with these Siri replies, it is likely the changes
did not go through so try again.

9. If all went well, press the Home button to close any remaining Siri
screen.

10. Now test your pronunciation changes by asking Siri "Contact x." You
should hear Siri speak the new name.

If you can get this feature to work, it is very, very cool!

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph FreeTech" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:59 AM
Subject: Teaching Siri to pronounce names


Hi all,

Came across the following instructions to teach Siri to pronounce foreign
and uncommon names more naturally. I could not get this to work. Hoping
someone will post better instructions. . For now, its definitely
possible as this YouTube video demonstrates:

? Teach Siri to Pronounce Contact Names Correctly in iOS 7 - iPhone
[How-To] - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPcYB3bysFQ

Here are the written instructions:

Teaching Siri How to Say Complicated Names

If you want to teach her how to properly pronounce a name, just open up Siri
and tell her, "That's not how you pronounce [name goes here]." From there,
she'll give you several options as to who's name you want her to learn, if
she doesn't already recognize it.

As an example, I used Marielle Escobar from my contacts. Siri pronounces the
first name as Marielle, when it should be pronounced Mary-Lee, so I opened
up Siri and said "That's not how you pronounce Marielle."

Siri then asks me, "OK, how do you pronounce the name (Marielle)?"

I then pronounce the name the correct way (Mary-Lee) and Siri gives me three
options to choose from, all slight variations of Mary-Lee, if not exact
replicas. If none of those sound correct, you can tell Siri again. If an
option works, press Select.

Once you select it, Siri will ask you about the last name. You can pronounce
it as well, even if it's already correct. It will then do the same thing
again, giving you three options to choose from. Once you're done, Siri will
say, "Great, I'll pronounce it "First Name, Last Name" and you'll be ready
to go.

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[RobH.]

Two things with this, and maybe the larger space does confuse gesture 
direction.
First, the gestures have to be bigger, a flick or swipe has to travel a 
proportiono f the screen to register, .

But since you can flick and swipe pretty well anywhere, relatively near an 
edge where you can use a thumb on the outside of the case as direction 
guide.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate 
on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i 
couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other 
commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>
> Hi Feliciano,
> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are 
> definitely
> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find 
> this
> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone 
> but
> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a 
> completely
> blind person using Voice Over".
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Feliciano G
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
>
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen 
> on
> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the 
> way
> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things 
> difficult.
>
>  Regards, Feliciano
>
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>
>
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>> hopefully obvious.
>>
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>> doesn't get that much use.
>>
>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>>
>>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs
>>> iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked
>>> in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
>>> 20iPad
>>>
>>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
>>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked
>>> and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and
>>> wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .
>>>
>>> Joseph
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[RobH.]

Ok, in settings,  the left edge was a sidebar with all the topic areas, and 
whichever was selected, those options were laid out in the main part of the 
screen to the right.  YOu didn't have to do the scrub back gesture  to get 
back to the list of topics, they are always down the left edge,  so run a 
finger down there and tap something else, and all that appears in the main 
part of the screen to the right.  This is done on anything with a larger 
screen.
iTunes and appstore worked in a similar manner.
I always used the Mini in landscape mode,  the iPhone always in portrait.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph FreeTech" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,

Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an example
as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please
give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a
larger screen will make navigation easier.

thank you

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Cochran" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone


I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing
a larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll
as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a
screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any
given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina
display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more
manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100
US more just for more screen.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>
> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most
> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these
> apps don't always display properly.
>
> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the
> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>
> Just something to consider.
>
> Donna
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am
>> totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my
>> daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for
>> the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger
>> screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is
>> another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing
>> my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't
>> going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm,
>>>
>>> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini
>>> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini
>>> more difficult to use?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G 
 wrote:

 And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
 voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger
 screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an
 iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell
 them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger
 screen makes things difficult.

   Regards, Feliciano

 Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


 Sent from the Super-iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
> hopefully obvious.
>
> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
> doesn't get that much use.
>
> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
> them, but for me at least, there isn't r

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[RobH.]

Well, I had the original Mini, liked it, but still sold it and replaced it 
with a 2nd 4S.  I didn't benefit from screen size, good sound, but a spare 
phoned seemed more use some how.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 11:01 AM
Subject: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone


Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m 
not good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused 
this issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself 
one of these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i 
want an ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if 
anything do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? 
What works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really 
easier to navigate than an Air or the like?
Thanks for any answer.
/Krister

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RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Rick Alfaro]

Are you sure your problem is swiping, or is it perhaps that containers are
confusing you? There are gestures for moving focus to containers, or you can
also move focus by touching on the left or right part of the screen. Are you
familiar with containers?



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Krister Ekstrom
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 12:02 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone

Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate
on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i
couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other
commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
> 
> Hi Feliciano,
> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are
definitely
> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find
this
> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone
but
> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a
completely
> blind person using Voice Over".
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Feliciano G
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
> 
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen
on
> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the
way
> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things
difficult.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't 
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to 
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are 
>> hopefully obvious.
>> 
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it 
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still 
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again 
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which 
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a 
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen 
>> doesn't get that much use.
>> 
>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for 
>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a 
>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
>>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs 
>>> iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked 
>>> in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
>>> 20iPad
>>> 
>>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up 
>>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked 
>>> and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and 
>>> wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .
>>> 
>>> Joseph
>>> 
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Re: Fantastical 2.1

[Wayne Merritt]

Bill,
In addition to what you said, I can create entries for the classes
that I teach, and set them for certain days of the week and have them
show up on those days. If I do this in the native calendar, it puts
that class on every day, and it is a hassle to then delete said
appointments on the weekend for the entire 3-6 week duration of the
class. Setting these custom recurring events is one big thing that
unfortunatley I haven't found in a lot of email clients, including the
native calendar. Sure, you can set events to happen each week or every
other week, but you cannot set an event to occur only on Tuesday and
Thursday, unless you create a separate appointment.

Best,
Wayne

On 7/27/14, Bill Gallik  wrote:
> To answer Alex Hall's question to a degree; one feature available in
> Fantastical that I've not found in the native calendar app is the ability to
> create an entry based on a positional day of the week.  What I mean by this
> is the ability to set an entry that repeatedly occurs on the first Monday of
> each month, the third Thursday of each month or the last Sunday of each
> month.
>
> I use these examples because they are, in fact, repeated events that I have
> created via Fantastical.
>
> The beauty of this is that after creating the entries via Fantastical, the
> native calendar app will recognize such entries correctly.
> 
> Holland's Boy, Bill
> - "Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint."
> - US Humorist, Mark Twain (1835 - 1910)
>   - Original Message -
>   From: Alex Hall
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:20 PM
>   Subject: Re: Fantastical 2.1
>
>
>   Aside from the natural language, is there an advantage to using
> Fantastical over iOS' default Calendar app? I find Calendar easy enough to
> use, and have never really had problems with it. It's not the best, but it's
> fine. I guess I'm wondering what features people like about Fantastical that
> make it worth it? Also, will Fantastical hook into iOS' calendars? That is,
> if I make an appointment with it, will that then sync to iOS, and from there
> propagate through iCloud to sync with my Mac's default calendar app?
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Ricardo Walker]

Yup,

to each there own.  It really boils down to individual use cases and just 
personal preference.  In my case, I much rather lug my iPad mini around than my 
Macbook pro more times than not. :)

Ricardo Walker
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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't seem all that efficient if the experienced user can already do much 
> of this without a problem.
> 
> For me, neither of these features trump the hassle of having to carry a much 
> bigger device as I find the iPod and iPhone a very good size to carry in 
> one's pocket leaving hands free for whatever else comes up. . I also 
> really dislike the text entry interface and document reading interfaces of 
> iDevice apps, so I use my device as a small reference device rather than 
> trying to force it to play the role of a laptop or computer replacement. 
> Just my 2.
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ricardo Walker" 
> To: "viphone" 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:39 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
> iphone
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> using the example of settings, the larger display has 2 benefits in my 
> opinion.  First, the display is split into 2 columns. On the left hand side, 
> you have the primary categories found in settings.  Wifi, bluetooth, 
> general, privacy, iCloud, etc.   This never changes.  Tapping on these 
> categories instead of opening a new page like on devices with smaller 
> screens, only the column on the right is changed to show the choices in the 
> category you've selected.  So with this setup, you spend less time using the 
> back button or gesture.  A small thing but, its very efficient and saves 
> time.  Second, more options are displayed in a list.  I can run my finger 
> down the left column in settings and have immediate access to more 
> categories without swiping 3 fingers up to scroll up to display more items 
> on the screen.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,
>> 
>> Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an 
>> example
>> as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please
>> give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a
>> larger screen will make navigation easier.
>> 
>> thank you
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Teresa Cochran" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
>> iphone
>> 
>> 
>> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to 
>> utilizing
>> a larger screen that will display more information without having to 
>> scroll
>> as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with 
>> a
>> screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at 
>> any
>> given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina
>> display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more
>> manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100
>> US more just for more screen.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most
>>> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these
>>> apps don't always display properly.
>>> 
>>> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the
>>> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>>> 
>>> Just something to consider.
>>> 
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl
  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 
 I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am
 totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my
 daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for
 the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger
 screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is
 another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing
 my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't
 going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker 
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini
> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini
> more difficult to use?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica..

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Alan Paganelli]

The thing about it is, dragging around a keyboard separately is a hassle. 
On the other hand, buying a keyboard case where the iPad sits in a holder 
and connects via Bluetooth makes the iPad a very good choice.  Having to 
drag around an external keyboard too is what's a royal pain where I sit.


Regards,

Alan

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- Original Message - 
From: "Ben Mustill-Rose" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone



Hi,

The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
hopefully obvious.

I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
doesn't get that much use.

I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
device that isn't a phone or a PC.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:

Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad

The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait for
an answer as the answer is already available. .

Joseph

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joseph FreeTech]

Ok, it sounds as though your difficulties are associated with using the 
interface rather than the device. . In other words, if you were to 
purchase an iPad, it seems as though your problem will be exactly the same 
since you've not gotten the hang of executing gestures. .

When executing a swipe, try this...

Take your left thumb and fold the knuckle down. Now take your right index 
finger and use the padded side of your finger tip to swipe from left to 
right--from your knuckle to the tip of your finger nail. Try increasing the 
speed so that you smoothly touch your thumb then slide past your nail 
quickly and without stopping to leave your finger on the thumb at all as the 
goal is to swipe across your thumb and never rest your index finger on it. 
Be mindful of the sensation on your thumb, it should be one of feeling your 
index finger sliding across in a straight line. Notice that you will only 
have about a half inch or so of room to swipe across your thumb.

After practicing this swiping motion on your thumb, open your iDevice to the 
home screen and repeat the left to right swiping motion. Try to swipe on the 
surface for a distance of about half an inch (the distance of your knuckle 
to your fingertip). Move through all your apps from left to right then 
reverse the swiping to move from your last app to your first one--you will 
of course now be moving your finger from right to left. The goal in swiping 
through all your apps is one of consistency in movement. Also try to be 
mindful of the position of your iDevice in that if you hold it at a weird 
angle then swipe, it might register as a vertical swipe rather than a 
horizontal swipe. In other words, at first try to be very mindful of the 
angle of your iDevice and the angle of your swipe and eventually it will 
become habit and you will be able to focus more on what you're doing than 
what is going wrong with your swiping. .

If it helps, I've also read other listers state that they think of swiping 
as using your fingertip to flick a smudge off of your computer screen, or 
flick a bug off of one's skin. .

HTH

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Krister Ekstrom" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate 
on than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i 
couldn't swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other 
commands got issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
>
> Hi Feliciano,
> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are 
> definitely
> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find 
> this
> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone 
> but
> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a 
> completely
> blind person using Voice Over".
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Feliciano G
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
>
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen 
> on
> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the 
> way
> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things 
> difficult.
>
>  Regards, Feliciano
>
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>
>
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>> hopefully obvious.
>>
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>> doesn't get that much use.
>>
>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>> the

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joseph FreeTech]

Doesn't seem all that efficient if the experienced user can already do much 
of this without a problem.

For me, neither of these features trump the hassle of having to carry a much 
bigger device as I find the iPod and iPhone a very good size to carry in 
one's pocket leaving hands free for whatever else comes up. . I also 
really dislike the text entry interface and document reading interfaces of 
iDevice apps, so I use my device as a small reference device rather than 
trying to force it to play the role of a laptop or computer replacement. 
Just my 2.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 
To: "viphone" 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


Hi,

using the example of settings, the larger display has 2 benefits in my 
opinion.  First, the display is split into 2 columns. On the left hand side, 
you have the primary categories found in settings.  Wifi, bluetooth, 
general, privacy, iCloud, etc.   This never changes.  Tapping on these 
categories instead of opening a new page like on devices with smaller 
screens, only the column on the right is changed to show the choices in the 
category you've selected.  So with this setup, you spend less time using the 
back button or gesture.  A small thing but, its very efficient and saves 
time.  Second, more options are displayed in a list.  I can run my finger 
down the left column in settings and have immediate access to more 
categories without swiping 3 fingers up to scroll up to display more items 
on the screen.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,
>
> Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an 
> example
> as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please
> give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a
> larger screen will make navigation easier.
>
> thank you
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Teresa Cochran" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
>
>
> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to 
> utilizing
> a larger screen that will display more information without having to 
> scroll
> as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with 
> a
> screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at 
> any
> given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina
> display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more
> manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100
> US more just for more screen.
>
> Teresa
>
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>
>> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most
>> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these
>> apps don't always display properly.
>>
>> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the
>> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>>
>> Just something to consider.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am
>>> totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my
>>> daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for
>>> the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger
>>> screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is
>>> another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing
>>> my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't
>>> going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker 
 wrote:

 Hmm,

 I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini
 anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini
 more difficult to use?

 Thanks.

 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G 
> wrote:
>
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger
> screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an
> iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell
> them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger
> screen make

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, But how about my question on navigating? Is the Mini easier to navigate on 
than the Air or the other bigger pads? The problem i had was that i couldn't 
swipe because i didn't manage to swipe in a streight line so other commands got 
issued instead. Anyone think this sounds familiar?
/Krister

> 28 jul 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Scott Duck :
> 
> Hi Feliciano,
> I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
> completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are definitely
> situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
> one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find this
> to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
> also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
> working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone but
> it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a completely
> blind person using Voice Over".
> Thanks,
> Scott Duck
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Feliciano G
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
> 
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on
> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way
> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't 
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to 
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are 
>> hopefully obvious.
>> 
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it 
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still 
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again 
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which 
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a 
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen 
>> doesn't get that much use.
>> 
>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for 
>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a 
>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
>>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs 
>>> iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked 
>>> in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
>>> 20iPad
>>> 
>>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up 
>>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked 
>>> and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and 
>>> wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .
>>> 
>>> Joseph
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Re: Television substitution apps

[Isaac Hebert]

Try the kids flix free app.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Hope Paulos  wrote:
> 
> Hello… My family and I are considering getting rid of our satellite service 
> and going over to the streaming services. I know Netflix is relatively 
> accessible, as well as hulu  plus. Can anyone recommend any good children's 
> streaming applications that are  accessible?
> The child that I babysit watches a lot of Nick Jr.
> Hope Paulos
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Russ Kiehne]

	In my case, I muse my Ipad mini as my main reading device.  It has much 
better battery life and better speakers than my specialized players. 
Unlike the specialized players I now have, I can't download books to 
them like my ipad mini.


On 7/28/2014 4:09 AM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

Hi,

The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
hopefully obvious.

I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
doesn't get that much use.

I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
device that isn't a phone or a PC.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:

Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad

The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait for
an answer as the answer is already available. .

Joseph

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joseph FreeTech]

Ok, I get it. In, let's say, the Contacts app, one can only see so many 
names on a single screen, right? You're conveying that with an iPad one will 
be able to go from only seeing 10 contacts on the screen to quickly 
accessing 20 contacts, correct?

I too use an iPod Touch 5th gen, and in the case of the Contacts app, my 
solution for such a situation has been to first use a three finger swipe up 
to move from page to page until I reach the screen containing my desired 
contact, at which point I swipe to the right to make refinements. For my 
second solution, it's quite easy and very quick to find a contact by 
executing a 1-finger double-tap and hold on the "Table index," and when you 
hear the chime (don't lift your finger off of the screen), you can slowly 
move your finger vertically down the screen to hear each letter of the 
alphabet at which you will of course stop when you hear the desired letter, 
and you can now swipe to the right to look through each entry that begins 
with the letter of interest.

In the case of finding an item within the Settings screen, for example 
finding the Notes app, I use the 2finger triple tap to invoke the item 
chooser which lists all apps in alphabetical order, and I then simply swipe 
to the right to place focus within the list of apps at which point I begin 
using the 3-finger swipe up to work my way over to the apps around the 
letter N. Practice this process a bit, and you might be surprised at just 
how quickly one can find an app of interest. If you get good at finding 
items in this manner, you might save yourself a few bucks as well as not 
having to maintain yet another device. .

Don't forget that you can also simply ask Siri to do all this for you. 
.

In regards to mail, you might be able to accomplish your goal by practicing 
a bit with the iOS selection controls.

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Cochran" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


Hi, Joseph,

Smaller screens require you to scroll more to display more information. 
Larger iPad screens might fit two or more pages of iPod or iPhone screens. 
In web browsers, this isn't quite as important as in, say, the mail app, if 
you're trying to mark and delete a large chunk of mail messages. On my iPod, 
I have to keep scrolling down to access more messages, but I would think I 
wouldn't have to do this nearly as often on a larger iPad screen.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,
>
> Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an 
> example
> as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please
> give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a
> larger screen will make navigation easier.
>
> thank you
>
> Joseph
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Teresa Cochran" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
> iphone
>
>
> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to 
> utilizing
> a larger screen that will display more information without having to 
> scroll
> as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with 
> a
> screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at 
> any
> given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina
> display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more
> manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100
> US more just for more screen.
>
> Teresa
>
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>>
>> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most
>> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these
>> apps don't always display properly.
>>
>> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the
>> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>>
>> Just something to consider.
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am
>>> totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my
>>> daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for
>>> the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger
>>> screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is
>>> another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing
>>> my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the 

Re: Kindle Ap

[Russ Kiehne]

Perhaps the following article from AccessWorld will help:

Using VoiceOver with the Accessible Amazon iOS Kindle App
Janet Ingber
A free and accessible iOS version of the Kindle app from Amazon was 
released on May
1, 2013. This app gives people who are blind or visually impaired 
another option
for purchasing and listening to books and periodicals. Previous versions 
of this
app were not accessible with VoiceOver. This article will discuss 
installing the

app as well as purchasing and reading content.
Here is part of the Kindle description from the iTunes Store:
The Kindle app is optimized for the iPad, iPhone, and iPod touch, giving 
users the
ability to read Kindle books, newspapers, magazines, textbooks and PDFs 
on a beautiful,
easy-to-use interface. You'll have access to over 1,000,000 books in the 
Kindle Store
plus hundreds of newspapers and magazines. Amazon Whispersync 
automatically syncs
your last page read, bookmarks, notes, and highlights across devices 
(including Kindle),

so you can pick up your book where you left off on another device.
You can read the
entire description at the iTunes Store
.
Installation and Set-Up
In the iTunes App Store, type "Kindle" into the search box, and the 
first result
is the new Kindle app. The first time the app is launched you must enter 
the e-mail
address and password for your Amazon account, so you will need to have 
an account
before beginning the registration process. Prior to entering the 
information, there
will be a dimmed "Register this Kindle" button and an unlabeled button. 
Once the
e-mail address and password are entered, the "Register this Kindle" 
button becomes
active, and the unlabeled button disappears. When the new screen loads 
(and assuming
you haven't previously purchased anything from Amazon's Kindle store), 
VoiceOver

will say, "You have no items in the cloud."
On the bottom of the screen are four buttons: "Switch to Grid View," 
"Cloud," "Device,"
and "Settings." For easier reading leave the "Grid View" in its default 
setting.
Activating that button will cause items to be read as a grid instead of 
as a list.
If the button is activated, then the material will be presented in grid 
format, and
that same button will change to "List View." If the "Cloud" button is 
activated,
then all Kindle items will be displayed, including those that may be 
present on another
device. If the "Device" button is activated, only the items on that 
specific device

will be displayed.
The Settings Menu
In the Settings menu, the "Back" button is in the upper left, and the 
"Done" button
is in the upper right. The first heading is Library Sort Order. By 
default it is
set to "Recent," but the Library can also be sorted by author or title. 
Selection

is done via radio buttons.
Sync
The next item in the Settings menu is the "Sync" button. Any content 
purchased on
a device should automatically sync to any other supported device. If 
content isn't
synced, activate the button. To test this feature, I tried to sync my 
content on
the iPhone Kindle Library with my MacBook Air and PC running Windows XP 
and Window-Eyes
8. The Mac app was completely inaccessible. Sighted assistance was 
needed to register
the device, and accessibility didn't improve after that. I got a bit 
further with
the PC version. My books appeared on the screen, but when I opened the 
books, I couldn't

read them.
Registration
The name of the account holder will be listed, and a Kindle e-mail 
address will also
be shown. In my case it took the first part of my e-mail address and 
added "@kindle.com."
Use this address to send documents directly to the Kindle. Next is a 
button labeled
"Contact Us," which brings up a form for entering text. Following that 
is a button
labeled "Page Turn Animation," which is turned off by default. Next is a 
"Social
Networks" link. When activated it explains how to share your information 
and post
parts of books to your social networking Wall or Newsfeed. There are, 
then, links
for Facebook and Twitter. The final Settings option is a button labeled 
"Other."
When this button is activated, it brings up a list of options, including 
"About"

and "Terms of Use."
Library
The app's home screen displays content. To change which material is 
displayed, use
the button in the upper left. By default it's set to "All Items," but 
other options
are "Books" and "Newsstand." If there are items in any of the 
categories, they will
be listed. The button to go back to the main Libraries page is located 
in the top
left corner, but instead of saying "Back," it gives the name of the 
section currently
being displayed. For example, if the Books section is on the screen, the 
button will
say "Books." The "Done" button, which is used to exit the screen, is in 
the upper

right corner.
Purchasing and Downloading Content
It is not possible to purchase content directly from the iOS Kindle app. 
Your device
must be connected to a wireless or data network in order to transfer 
cont

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

using the example of settings, the larger display has 2 benefits in my opinion. 
 First, the display is split into 2 columns. On the left hand side, you have 
the primary categories found in settings.  Wifi, bluetooth, general, privacy, 
iCloud, etc.   This never changes.  Tapping on these categories instead of 
opening a new page like on devices with smaller screens, only the column on the 
right is changed to show the choices in the category you've selected.  So with 
this setup, you spend less time using the back button or gesture.  A small 
thing but, its very efficient and saves time.  Second, more options are 
displayed in a list.  I can run my finger down the left column in settings and 
have immediate access to more categories without swiping 3 fingers up to scroll 
up to display more items on the screen.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,
> 
> Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an example 
> as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please 
> give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a 
> larger screen will make navigation easier.
> 
> thank you
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Teresa Cochran" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
> iphone
> 
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing 
> a larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll 
> as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a 
> screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any 
> given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina 
> display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more 
> manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100 
> US more just for more screen.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most 
>> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these 
>> apps don't always display properly.
>> 
>> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the 
>> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>> 
>> Just something to consider.
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am 
>>> totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my 
>>> daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for 
>>> the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger 
>>> screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is 
>>> another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing 
>>> my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't 
>>> going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  
 wrote:
 
 Hmm,
 
 I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
 anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini 
 more difficult to use?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  
> wrote:
> 
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger 
> screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an 
> iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell 
> them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger 
> screen makes things difficult.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>> hopefully obvious.
>> 
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. 

RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Scott Duck]

Hi Feliciano,
I understand why you might say that but I respectfully disagree.  I am
completely blind and I have both a iPhone and a iPad.  There are definitely
situations where the ability to display more information on the screen at
one time is beneficial, even for a Voice Over user.  I especially find this
to be true in the reading apps, like iBooks, Kindle, and Voice Dream.  I
also like being able to fit longer lines and more lines on the screen when
working in notes or a text editor.  A iPad certainly isn't for everyone but
it isn't quite as simple as saying "a iPad isn't beneficial for a completely
blind person using Voice Over".
Thanks,
Scott Duck


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Feliciano G
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs
iphone

And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses
voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on
an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch.
Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way
to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.

  Regards, Feliciano

Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


Sent from the Super-iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't 
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to 
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are 
> hopefully obvious.
> 
> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it 
> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still 
> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again 
> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which 
> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a 
> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen 
> doesn't get that much use.
> 
> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for 
> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a 
> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs 
>> iPad question; it is information regarding a similar question asked 
>> in the past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$
>> 20iPad
>> 
>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up 
>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked 
>> and answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and 
>> wait for an answer as the answer is already available. .
>> 
>> Joseph
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Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[isaac . hebert]

I know  in the gmail web interface under settings forwarding pop and iMap and 
under the pop settings in the  when messages arrive
 popup menu you can choose if gmail keeps it’s copy in the inbox or if gmail 
deletes it.  
In the iMap settings  in the web interface I only see a option to enable or 
disable iMap. On Jul 28, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Bill Holton  
wrote:
> 
> I am faiurly sure they are set as imap everywhere.  If she reads a message on 
> her phone it shows up as read on the web, it’s just the deleted ones that 
> don’t get deleted.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Teresa Cochran
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone
>  
> Are the accounts set up on a computer as Imap instead of pop3? In order to 
> sync the mail, you might want to do this.
>  
> All of my email accounts are now set to Imap, and I have never had this 
> problem.
>  
> HtH,
> Teresa 
> 
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
> the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
> 
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail 
> account
> and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP 
> accounts, and
> she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to 
> each
> other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her Hotmail, 
> or
> Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.
> When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface, 
> the message
> shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to 
> her web interface, the message
> is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not 
> be all mail folder. Also,
> she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into 
> the archive
> folder.
> If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on 
> the web
> interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She 
> gets very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to 
> have to redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.  
> Any suggestions
> would be much appreciated.
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Re: Individual volume adjustments

[Alex Hall]

Kind of. If you go to VO's rotor settings, you can add "volume". Then, at any 
point, just toror to volume and swipe a finger down to lower it. I leave mine 
set at about 70% because that matches the volume of the books I listen to, and 
everything works well.
On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Kimber Gardner  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Is it possible to adjust the volume on the iPhone to different levels
> depending on what one is listening to? For example, when I was
> recently listening to a book from Audible I needed to increase the
> volume because I was in a noisy environment. However, the VO volume
> was also increased and nearly blasted my eardrums out when I got a
> notification.
> 
> Is it possible to increase the volume for audio (either book or music)
> without also increasing the volume of VO?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kimber
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Individual volume adjustments

[Kimber Gardner]

Hi All,

Is it possible to adjust the volume on the iPhone to different levels
depending on what one is listening to? For example, when I was
recently listening to a book from Audible I needed to increase the
volume because I was in a noisy environment. However, the VO volume
was also increased and nearly blasted my eardrums out when I got a
notification.

Is it possible to increase the volume for audio (either book or music)
without also increasing the volume of VO?

Thanks,
Kimber

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RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Rick Alfaro]

This is actually a good point if you plan to use the mini as a sort of laptop. 
Because of the larger size, the keyboard covers you can get for them are very 
nice because they can accomidate a larger keyboard that are usually very 
comfortable to type on just like a laptop. In this sense, the mini works very 
well and so does the regular full size iPad.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ricardo Walker
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 8:35 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

Hi,

I just came back from a trip to Las Vegas where I left my Macbook pro behind, 
and brought my iPad mini with me.  I have a logitech folio keyboard case for 
it.  I only use the keyboard when typing not so much for navigating.  This 
setup worked extremely well for me.  For starters, the battery life.  It was 
nice going 3 days on a single charge, and thats after hard use.  Video 
streaming, ebook reading, music streaming, web browsing, etc.  During that same 
time, I was recharging my iPhone sometimes twice a day.

As far as the gestures go, since the screen is larger, some might feel their 
gestures need to be larger as well.  This is definitely not the case. moving 
your finger left, right, up or down is more than enough to do the trick for 
navigating on an iPad. 

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
> generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
> gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m not 
> good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused this 
> issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself one of 
> these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i want an 
> ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if anything 
> do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? What 
> works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really easier 
> to navigate than an Air or the like?
> Thanks for any answer.
> /Krister
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RE: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi.

I have both an iPhone 5s and an iPad mini. Originally, I purchased the mini 
thinking that I would find some sort of benefit to the larger screen. To make a 
long story short, the mini never gets used by me personally. My wife uses it 
more than I do for those occasions when she has left her larger iPad upstairs 
or something.

I did not find I gained any real benefit from the larger screen and actually 
found the containers used on iPads sort of annoying. For me, the mini was a 
waste of money already having an iPhone. I can of course do everything on the 
phone that I can do on the mini. The phone fits in my pocket or on my belt 
where the mini does not and I don't have to deal with those annoying 
containers. I know how to use the containers when needed, so it isn't lack of 
knowledge on my end. This is strictly my own personal opinion so I'm sure 
others will chime in with their perspective.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m not 
good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused this 
issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself one of 
these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i want an ipad 
in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if anything do you 
iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? What works better 
on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really easier to navigate 
than an Air or the like?
Thanks for any answer.
/Krister

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Joseph,

Smaller screens require you to scroll more to display more information. Larger 
iPad screens might fit two or more pages of iPod or iPhone screens. In web 
browsers, this isn't quite as important as in, say, the mail app, if you're 
trying to mark and delete a large chunk of mail messages. On my iPod, I have to 
keep scrolling down to access more messages, but I would think I wouldn't have 
to do this nearly as often on a larger iPad screen.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:27 AM, Joseph FreeTech  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,
> 
> Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an example 
> as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please 
> give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a 
> larger screen will make navigation easier.
> 
> thank you
> 
> Joseph
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Teresa Cochran" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
> iphone
> 
> 
> I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing 
> a larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll 
> as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a 
> screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any 
> given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina 
> display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more 
> manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100 
> US more just for more screen.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>> 
>> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most 
>> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these 
>> apps don't always display properly.
>> 
>> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the 
>> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>> 
>> Just something to consider.
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am 
>>> totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my 
>>> daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for 
>>> the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger 
>>> screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is 
>>> another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing 
>>> my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't 
>>> going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  
 wrote:
 
 Hmm,
 
 I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
 anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini 
 more difficult to use?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  
> wrote:
> 
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger 
> screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an 
> iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell 
> them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger 
> screen makes things difficult.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>> hopefully obvious.
>> 
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>> doesn't get that much use.
>> 
>> I've purchased two 

Television substitution apps

[Hope Paulos]

Hello… My family and I are considering getting rid of our satellite service and 
going over to the streaming services. I know Netflix is relatively accessible, 
as well as hulu  plus. Can anyone recommend any good children's streaming 
applications that are  accessible?
 The child that I babysit watches a lot of Nick Jr.
Hope Paulos

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Re: Kindle Ap

[Teresa Cochran]

Sometimes I use my husband's classic keyboard Kindle, but I find myself missing 
Braille all too soon. One great thing about the iOS app is that you can use 
Braille with it. The controls are a little unconventional, because you have to 
double-tap the text in the book to get into the menus then double-tap the menu 
button to get a second level of options, but this is very easy to deal with.

Teresa

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the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:10 AM, Penny Reeder  wrote:
> 
> Yes. The stand-alone Kindle. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:16 AM, "Betty Emmons"  wrote:
>> 
>> what are you considering kindel hardware? Do you mean the stand alone 
>> kindel? I am trying to up date my kindel and can't figure out how
>> Betty Emmons
>> - Original Message - From: "Penny Reeder" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: Kindle Ap
>> 
>> 
>> Hi, There were excellent presentations by Library Users of America
>> (LUA) at the recent ACB convention on using the Kindle and the Kindle
>> IPhone app. I don't know if they are archived or not on the ACB or
>> ACBRadio web site, but it would be worth checking. Apparently both the
>> Kindle hardware and the Kindle IPhone app are totally accessible.
>> HTH,
>> Penny
>> 
>>> On 7/28/14, Raggedy Ann  wrote:
>>> Has anyone had any luck using the Kindle ap on the IPhone? I've heard
>>> conflicting reports, and since I need to purchase either the ap or the
>>> Kindle itself, I would like some opinions.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ann
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RE: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Bill Holton]

I am faiurly sure they are set as imap everywhere.  If she reads a message on 
her phone it shows up as read on the web, it’s just the deleted ones that don’t 
get deleted.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Teresa Cochran
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone

 

Are the accounts set up on a computer as Imap instead of pop3? In order to sync 
the mail, you might want to do this.

 

All of my email accounts are now set to Imap, and I have never had this problem.

 

HtH,

Teresa 

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks


On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Bill Holton mailto:bill32...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi.

I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail 
account

and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP accounts, 
and

she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to each

other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her Hotmail, or

Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.

When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface, the 
message

shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to her 
web interface, the message

is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not be 
all mail folder. Also,

she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into the 
archive

folder.

If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on the 
web

interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She gets 
very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to have to 
redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.  Any 
suggestions

would be much appreciated.

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Joseph FreeTech]

Hi Teresa and other iPad owners,

Since I'm having a problem understanding, will you please give me an example 
as to how a bigger screen will help with scrolling? To be specific, please 
give an example of a screen such as the Settings or General screen where a 
larger screen will make navigation easier.

thank you

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Teresa Cochran" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs 
iphone


I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing 
a larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll 
as much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a 
screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any 
given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina 
display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more 
manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100 
US more just for more screen.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
>
> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most 
> apps that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these 
> apps don't always display properly.
>
> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the 
> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps.
>
> Just something to consider.
>
> Donna
>
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am 
>> totally blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my 
>> daily communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for 
>> the visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger 
>> screen, requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is 
>> another area wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing 
>> my surroundings, planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't 
>> going to be for everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hmm,
>>>
>>> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
>>> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini 
>>> more difficult to use?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>>
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  
 wrote:

 And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
 voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger 
 screen on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an 
 iPhone or iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell 
 them an iPhone is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger 
 screen makes things difficult.

   Regards, Feliciano

 Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v


 Sent from the Super-iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
> hopefully obvious.
>
> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
> doesn't get that much use.
>
> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben.
>
>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs 
>> iPad
>> question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
>> past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
>>
>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked 
>> and
>> answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and 
>> wait for
>

Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Teresa Cochran]

I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPad. I'm looking forward to utilizing a 
larger screen that will display more information without having to scroll as 
much. In my mind, it's similar to having greater screen resolution with a 
screen-reader. There's more information available on a single screen at any 
given time. However, I'm going to compromise and get a Mini with retina 
display, which has the same processor as the iPad Air, but has a more 
manageable screen size for me and costs $100 less. I don't see paying $100 US 
more just for more screen.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:01 AM, Donna  wrote:
> 
> I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most apps 
> that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these apps 
> don't always display properly. 
> 
> I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the 
> iPad. One very good example of this is OCR apps. 
> 
> Just something to consider. 
> 
> Donna
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am totally 
>> blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my daily 
>> communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for the 
>> visually accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger screen, 
>> requiring me to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is another area 
>> wherein the larger screen is helpful for better visualizing my surroundings, 
>> planning routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't going to be for 
>> everyone, but it is far from an impossibility. :)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm,
>>> 
>>> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
>>> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini 
>>> more difficult to use?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  
 wrote:
 
 And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
 voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen 
 on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or 
 iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone 
 is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes 
 things difficult.
 
   Regards, Feliciano
 
 Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
> hopefully obvious.
> 
> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
> doesn't get that much use.
> 
> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
>> question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
>> past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
>> 
>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
>> answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait 
>> for
>> an answer as the answer is already available. .
>> 
>> Joseph
>> 
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Re: Amazon Basics Keyboard and iPhone Query

[Joseph FreeTech]

your description is not clear to me, but did you try the obvious such as 
replacing batteries? What happens when you press the left and right arrow 
keys together? Do you get any feedback when you turn on keyboard help with 
ControlOption K?

I always have to wait about 30 seconds for my Amazon Basics keyboard to be 
recognized, so git it some time before pressing the left or right arrow keys 
to test for keyboard activity.

Oh yeah, the button next to F12 is the hide/unhide on-screen keyboard 
button.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: "Julie Dawson" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:46 AM
Subject: Amazon Basics Keyboard and iPhone Query


I have an amazon basics keyboard which I have always used successfully with 
my iPhone. When pared, I would press a key and it would come up in speech 
mode immediately. The regular commands could be executed such as VO commands 
and typing in edit boxes etc. However over the past several days, although 
the keyboard says connected with bluetooth on, there is no speech. If I am 
in an edit box such as search for iPhone I can tap a key and the keyboard 
will speak. If I hit the home button to go to perform another task however 
the keyboard goes back to no speech mode. I know also there is a key on my 
function row past f12 keyboard hidden and visible but it only speaks 
obviously when in that edit box time then reverses to silence. If anyone can 
help me off list I would very much appreciate it. I use this keyboard often 
but can't use it well the way it is now.
My e-mail is:
julie.magno...@att.net
Thank you for any and all help which is deeply appreciated. Perhaps there is 
a made I inadvertently put it in by mistake, smiles.

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Donna]

I also want to point out that there apps strictly for the iPad. Yes most apps 
that one can use on an iPhone/iPod can be used on an iPad. But these apps don't 
always display properly. 

I have found apps that I use on my iPhone to work more efficiently on the iPad. 
One very good example of this is OCR apps. 

Just something to consider. 

Donna

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Shameless FanGirl  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am totally 
> blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my daily 
> communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for the visually 
> accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger screen, requiring me 
> to scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is another area wherein the 
> larger screen is helpful for better visualizing my surroundings, planning 
> routes, etc. Granted, the larger screen isn't going to be for everyone, but 
> it is far from an impossibility. :)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm,
>> 
>> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
>> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini more 
>> difficult to use?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
>>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen 
>>> on an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or 
>>> iTouch. Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone 
>>> is the way to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things 
>>> difficult.
>>> 
>>>Regards, Feliciano
>>> 
>>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
 change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
 the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
 hopefully obvious.
 
 I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
 is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
 use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
 I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
 would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
 bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
 doesn't get that much use.
 
 I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
 them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
 device that isn't a phone or a PC.
 
 Cheers,
 Ben.
 
> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
> question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
> past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
> 
> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
> answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait for
> an answer as the answer is already available. .
> 
> Joseph
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Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Teresa Cochran]

Are the accounts set up on a computer as Imap instead of pop3? In order to sync 
the mail, you might want to do this.

All of my email accounts are now set to Imap, and I have never had this problem.

HtH,
Teresa 

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the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Bill Holton  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail 
> account
> and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP 
> accounts, and
> she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to 
> each
> other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her Hotmail, 
> or
> Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.
> When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface, 
> the message
> shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to 
> her web interface, the message
> is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not 
> be all mail folder. Also,
> she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into 
> the archive
> folder.
> If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on 
> the web
> interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She 
> gets very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to 
> have to redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.  
> Any suggestions
> would be much appreciated.
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Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Rob]

I mostly do it all the time.
after deleting mail in the inbox, I refresh, then open the trash box and 
refresh it.


On 7/28/2014 8:19 AM, Bill Holton wrote:

Thanks.  I will get my wife to try this.  Did doing this one time fix
your problem, or did you have to do it every time you used the iPhone to
read mail?

Bill

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On the iPhone, try refreshing the trash box or empty it.

This is how i solved this problem.



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On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, "Bill Holton" mailto:bill32...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi.

I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a
Gmail account

and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both
IMAP accounts, and

she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not
linked to each

other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her
Hotmail, or

Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.

When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web
interface, the message

shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and
goes to her web interface, the message

is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web
interface, not be all mail folder. Also,

she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely
move into the archive

folder.

If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up
wrong on the web

interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the
iPhone. She gets very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox
on her phone, only to have to redo it on her laptop the next time
she goes to the web interface.  Any suggestions

would be much appreciated.

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Re: How to remove a post from Facebook

[Donna]

You can delete post via the m.facebook.com site. Go to your timeline, swipe to 
you hear activity log, choose this and find the post that you want to delete, 
double tap on the More button and then select delete. 

Donna 

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:00 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
> 
> You were able to access this view on the previous version of Facebook. The 
> steps worked to go to your timeline, double tap with two fingers on the post. 
> Then go to a more option. Then there you are given the option to delete. 
> After double tapping on the more option, the view is no longer accessible 
> with voiceover. Report the problem, I did it we could go.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:28 AM, "Beth G"  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Can this be done from the iPhone? If so, how? I see an option for more when 
>> i double tap on one of my posts i wish to remove, but then it freezes. Sent 
>> from my iPhone
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Amazon Basics Keyboard and iPhone Query

[Julie Dawson]

I have an amazon basics keyboard which I have always used successfully with my 
iPhone. When pared, I would press a key and it would come up in speech mode 
immediately. The regular commands could be executed such as VO commands and 
typing in edit boxes etc. However over the past several days, although the 
keyboard says connected with bluetooth on, there is no speech. If I am in an 
edit box such as search for iPhone I can tap a key and the keyboard will speak. 
If I hit the home button to go to perform another task however the keyboard 
goes back to no speech mode. I know also there is a key on my function row past 
f12 keyboard hidden and visible but it only speaks obviously when in that edit 
box time then reverses to silence. If anyone can help me off list I would very 
much appreciate it. I use this keyboard often but can't use it well the way it 
is now.
My e-mail is:
julie.magno...@att.net
Thank you for any and all help which is deeply appreciated. Perhaps there is a 
made I inadvertently put it in by mistake, smiles. 

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RE: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Bill Holton]

Thanks.  I will get my wife to try this.  Did doing this one time fix your 
problem, or did you have to do it every time you used the iPhone to read mail?

Bill

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rob
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone

 

On the iPhone, try refreshing the trash box or empty it.

This is how i solved this problem.



Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, "Bill Holton" mailto:bill32...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi.

I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail 
account

and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP accounts, 
and

she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to each

other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her Hotmail, or

Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.

When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface, the 
message

shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to her 
web interface, the message

is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not be 
all mail folder. Also,

she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into the 
archive

folder.

If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on the 
web

interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She gets 
very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to have to 
redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.  Any 
suggestions

would be much appreciated.

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Re: Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Rob]

On the iPhone, try refreshing the trash box or empty it.
This is how i solved this problem.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:49 AM, "Bill Holton"  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail 
> account
> and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP 
> accounts, and
> she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to 
> each
> other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her Hotmail, 
> or
> Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.
> When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface, 
> the message
> shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to 
> her web interface, the message
> is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not 
> be all mail folder. Also,
> she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into 
> the archive
> folder.
> If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on 
> the web
> interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She 
> gets very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to 
> have to redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.  
> Any suggestions
> would be much appreciated.
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Re: Sonos Question about Non-Music Listening

[John Diakogeorgiou]

You can listen to audio books as long as they are in mp3 using the
Sonos quite easily.

On 7/18/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Brent,
>
> You could always get a Sonos Bridge for $59, sometimes they even have
> promos
> and you get a free bridge if you buy one of the players. The bridge could
> then sit right next to your router and all other players can then be
> wireless. Well, OK, maybe right next or on top of your router might not be
> that smart anyways because both the router and Sonos are wireless devices
> and I'd keep at least 3 or 4 feet between to avoid direct interference.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Brent Harding
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:04 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sonos Question about Non-Music Listening
>
> I wonder why they don't have one with wifi for the Internet? It would be
> far
> easier for places like mine because we had to put the modem/router in the
> cabinet in the computer desk because the power cord wouldn't reach much
> above, so one would have to run ethernet cable all around the room to where
> I'd want the speaker. As for that 30-pin dock, with this Lario HD Music
> Receiver I found on Amazon, that can be turned into an airplay receiving
> station. It's just a little oval thing that fits in the dock, and powers
> and
> feeds audio to the dock, but because it works with my Klipsch IGroove
> doesn't mean the Sonos one would necessarily like it. For so long I thought
> it was a dud and I was going to toss it, but now that I moved, it works
> like
> a champ only because I have a different kind of modem/router now.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Sonos Question about Non-Music Listening
>
>
> Hi Brent and Allen,
>
> Brent, the short answer is actually Yes, this can easily be done and all it
> takes is one Airport Express which I believe costs around $80, maybe even
> less in the States.
>
> I have an Airport Express connected to one of my Sonos Connect Amp players
> and I called it Sonos so when I tap on Airplay I see "iPhone", "Apple TV
> Living Room" and "Sonos".
> I furthermore have the system set up so that as soon as the Apple TV
> delivers a signal to that Connect Amp which is actually in my kitchen, it
> automatically plays in the Master Bedroom. If I want the Airplay stream to
> play in other zones/rooms like the kitchen, bathroom, my Play 5 which I use
> as a portable player either in my woodworking shop or on my deck then I
> just
> group whichever other zones I want with the Master Bedroom.
> This allows me to play any stream from any app on my Sonos system and
> throughout the house.
>
> As for setting up the Airport Express, you have to connect its network port
> with the network port on the Sonos player and then also connect the 3.5mm
> jack on the Airport Express to the RCA inputs on the Sonos. Then there is a
> bit of configuration of the Airport Express which has to be set up in a
> certain way. It's been I think 3 years since I set it up so I don't recall
> the specifics, but if you Google how to setup an Airport Express you're
> your
> Sonos system you can find an article on the Sonos website. The other option
> is to call Sonos tech support and get them to walk you through the process
> and if necessary they are more than happy to establish a remote support
> session with you and do it for you.
>
> Sonos used to make an iPhone dock with a 30-pin connector which was
> wirelessly connected to the Sonos system just like any of the players and
> all it needed was power. You could put it anywhere like on your night
> table,
> the coffee table in the living room or whatever and put your iPhone in it
> and it was just like using any speaker dock. I actually have one of these
> but don't really use it any more since I guess I would have to buy an
> adapter and so on. Have to put it up for sale one of these days on eBay or
> something like that.
>
> There is of course always the option to simply use an RCA cable and
> physically connect your iPhone into the line in on a Sonos player. Then of
> course Voiceover and everything would come through Sonos, but it works
> fine.
> I have a cable sitting next to my laptop so if I ever want to sit in the
> living room with my Logitech wireless keyboard and use the laptop I can
> just
> plug it into the Connect in my office and send the audio anywhere and this
> way I get Jaws and anything else playing.
>
> The nice thing with Sonos is that it is so super flexible and expandable.
> Keep in mind, however, that the Play 1 and I think also he Play 3 don't
> have
> RCA inputs, you need a Play 5, Connect, Connect Amp or the Playbar for
> that.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Brent Harding
> Sent: Thur

Re: Sonos multi-room Wireless music system was: Bluetooth speakers

[John Diakogeorgiou]

Sieghard I received a 3 when I subscribed to UVerse. It sounds okay
but if someone can afford the 5 it is much better. One thing which no
one has really talked about is that you can use the Sonos to listen to
any audio from your computer. For example if you have a folder full of
books, music, movies etc you can select that folder. You can also
listen to music by artist, album or shuffle an entire folder. I agree
that it is an excellent system. For the person who wants to use it
instead of powerd speakers, it is quite expensive. It is worth it
though.

On 7/18/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Christina,
>
> My guess is that you can or at least that any playlists or stations you
> have
> will be available since you do after all have to log in with your
> credentials. However, since I am not using Slacker and Pandora is not
> available in Canada I Can't answer that question for sure. Maybe somebody
> who has some Sonos players and is using these services can answer your
> questions. if not My suggestion is that you call Sonos at 1-800-680-2345
> and
> ask their technical support directly.
> Keep in mind that Sonos offers free shipping if you order from them and
> they
> also have I think a 30-day unconditional satisfaction guaranty. Just make
> sure you unpack the product carefully without damaging the box and keep the
> original packaging until you are sure you like it. If not call them before
> their trial period is up and you can return the equipment to them for a
> full
> refund.
>
> Good luck,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 9:57 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Sonos multi-room Wireless music system was: Bluetooth speakers
>
> Ok, I think this is my last question? :) If I am in the sonos app and I
> choose to listen to slacker Radio, Can I do everything I normally can from
> the stand alone Slacker Radio app. For example, could I still make
> playlists, search for slacker created stations, search for and play albums
> and artist stations, play my own created playlists, and so on? :) I know I
> already inquired about banning and hearting songs on apps like Slacker
> Radio
> and Pandora. I just want to know what my limitations might be. I think what
> I am trying to understand is that if I use a music streaming service
> through
> Sonos will it be a different experience through Sonos than the stand alone
> app the way that I am used to?
>
> Thanks,
> Christina
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Shameless FanGirl]

Hello all,

I've owned an iPad 2, 4, and now an Air. I'm also an iPhone user, am totally 
blind, and the pad is my go-to device more often than not for my daily 
communication/web browsing needs. I appreciate the iPad both for the visually 
accurate representation of webpages, and for its larger screen, requiring me to 
scroll less in areas such as settings. Maps is another area wherein the larger 
screen is helpful for better visualizing my surroundings, planning routes, etc. 
Granted, the larger screen isn't going to be for everyone, but it is far from 
an impossibility. :)

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 8:26 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
> Hmm,
> 
> I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini 
> anymore difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini more 
> difficult to use?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
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> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
>> 
>> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
>> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on 
>> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch. 
>> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way 
>> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.
>> 
>> Regards, Feliciano
>> 
>> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the Super-iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>>> hopefully obvious.
>>> 
>>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>>> doesn't get that much use.
>>> 
>>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>> 
 On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
 Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
 question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
 past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
 
 The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
 questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
 answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait for
 an answer as the answer is already available. .
 
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Strange mail issue on iPhone

[Bill Holton]

Hi.

I have a very strange email issue, or rather my wife does. She has a Gmail
account

and a Hotmail account, both loading to her iPhone. They are both IMAP
accounts, and

she has them set up as such on the iPhone. These accounts are not linked to
each

other in any other way. Which is to say, for Gmail does not pull her
Hotmail, or

Hotmail does not pull her Gmail.

When she reads an email on her iPhone, and then goes to the web interface,
the message

shows as read. However when she deletes an email on her iPhone, and goes to
her web interface, the message

is still in her inbox. She is in the inbox folder on the web interface, not
be all mail folder. Also,

she does have her iPhone set to delete messages, not just merely move into
the archive

folder.

If it were just one of the accounts, I would say she has it set up wrong on
the web

interface. But since it's both, I think it has to be with the iPhone. She
gets very frustrated, spending time clearing her inbox on her phone, only to
have to redo it on her laptop the next time she goes to the web interface.
Any suggestions

would be much appreciated.

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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I just came back from a trip to Las Vegas where I left my Macbook pro behind, 
and brought my iPad mini with me.  I have a logitech folio keyboard case for 
it.  I only use the keyboard when typing not so much for navigating.  This 
setup worked extremely well for me.  For starters, the battery life.  It was 
nice going 3 days on a single charge, and thats after hard use.  Video 
streaming, ebook reading, music streaming, web browsing, etc.  During that same 
time, I was recharging my iPhone sometimes twice a day.

As far as the gestures go, since the screen is larger, some might feel their 
gestures need to be larger as well.  This is definitely not the case. moving 
your finger left, right, up or down is more than enough to do the trick for 
navigating on an iPad. 

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 6:01 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. Long ago i had an IPad first generation and even an IPad 2nd 
> generation but we never became friends. Every time i tried to do a swiping 
> gesture, the ipad thought i wanted to go down a row or something. Now i’m not 
> good at going in totally streight lines so that may likely have caused this 
> issue, so i sold the pads. Now however i’m thinking of getting myself one of 
> these Mini retina thingimajigs, but i’m also thinking why would i want an 
> ipad in the first place, so that’s the question i ask you. What if anything 
> do you iphone and ipad owners use one device for and not the other? What 
> works better on a pad then on a phone or vice versa? Is a Mini really easier 
> to navigate than an Air or the like?
> Thanks for any answer.
> /Krister
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Ricardo Walker]

Hmm,

I own an iPad mini and and iPhone, and I don't find using my iPad mini anymore 
difficult.  Just curious, in what way do you find the iPad mini more difficult 
to use?

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Feliciano G  wrote:
> 
> And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses 
> voiceover. Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on 
> an iPad just makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch. 
> Clients always ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way 
> to go if you are totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.
> 
>  Regards, Feliciano
> 
> Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
> 
> 
> Sent from the Super-iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
>> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
>> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
>> hopefully obvious.
>> 
>> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
>> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
>> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
>> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
>> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
>> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
>> doesn't get that much use.
>> 
>> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
>> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
>> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ben.
>> 
>>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
>>> question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
>>> past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
>>> 
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>>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
>>> answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait for
>>> an answer as the answer is already available. .
>>> 
>>> Joseph
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Re: Kindle Ap

[Penny Reeder]

Yes. The stand-alone Kindle. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 28, 2014, at 7:16 AM, "Betty Emmons"  wrote:
> 
> what are you considering kindel hardware? Do you mean the stand alone kindel? 
> I am trying to up date my kindel and can't figure out how
> Betty Emmons
> - Original Message - From: "Penny Reeder" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Kindle Ap
> 
> 
> Hi, There were excellent presentations by Library Users of America
> (LUA) at the recent ACB convention on using the Kindle and the Kindle
> IPhone app. I don't know if they are archived or not on the ACB or
> ACBRadio web site, but it would be worth checking. Apparently both the
> Kindle hardware and the Kindle IPhone app are totally accessible.
> HTH,
> Penny
> 
>> On 7/28/14, Raggedy Ann  wrote:
>> Has anyone had any luck using the Kindle ap on the IPhone? I've heard
>> conflicting reports, and since I need to purchase either the ap or the
>> Kindle itself, I would like some opinions.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ann
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Re: Kindle Ap

[Richard Turner]

I think you will find that there is no need for the Kindle hardware.
The app works great.
Richard


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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:42 AM, "Raggedy Ann"  wrote:
> 
> Nothing in particular other than reading books. Several people told me they 
> had a difficult time reading with the Ap but had no problem with the 
> stand-alone. Maybe those people weren't too sure of what they were doing.
>  
> I just installed the ap on my phone and now I will get the books I need and 
> go from there. Having another piece of equipment seems like a waste to me 
> when the ap would work just as well.
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Cheryl Homiak
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 7:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Kindle Ap
> 
> I'm not sure why you've heard conflicting reports. The Kindle app does indeed 
> work and is accessible on the iPhone. If there's something you want to do 
> with it that you're afraid won't work, maybe you need to be morespecific 
> about your concerns. I read lots and lots of books with mostly my braille 
> display but also by starting scrolling and just listening but if there is 
> something more complicated you want to do that is causing you to think you 
> should get the actual Kindle, ask about that. I have one of the old Kindles - 
> I think now it would be called a keyboard Kindle - and I hardly use it any 
> more, but I realize the newer Kindle stand-alone machines may be more 
> accessible.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cheryl
> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2014, at 5:26 AM, Raggedy Ann  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone had any luck using the Kindle ap on the IPhone? I've heard 
>> conflicting reports, and since I need to purchase either the ap or the 
>> Kindle itself, I would like some opinions.
>>  
>> Thanks.
>>  
>> Ann
>>  
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Re: How to remove a post from Facebook

[Feliciano G]

You were able to access this view on the previous version of Facebook. The 
steps worked to go to your timeline, double tap with two fingers on the post. 
Then go to a more option. Then there you are given the option to delete. After 
double tapping on the more option, the view is no longer accessible with 
voiceover. Report the problem, I did it we could go.

  Regards, Feliciano

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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 3:28 AM, "Beth G"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Can this be done from the iPhone? If so, how? I see an option for more when i 
> double tap on one of my posts i wish to remove, but then it freezes. Sent 
> from my iPhone
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Re: This might seem like a strange question about ipad mini vs iphone

[Feliciano G]

And iPad isn't really beneficial for totally blind person that uses voiceover. 
Especially if that individual has an iPhone. The larger screen on an iPad just 
makes things more complicated than using an iPhone or iTouch. Clients always 
ask me this question. I always tell them an iPhone is the way to go if you are 
totally blind as the larger screen makes things difficult.

  Regards, Feliciano

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> On Jul 28, 2014, at 4:09 AM, "Ben Mustill-Rose"  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The sad truth is that I hardly use my iPad at all. NB: this won't
> change when the next iPad is announced unless they shrink it down to
> the size of an iPhone which isn't going to happen for reasons that are
> hopefully obvious.
> 
> I find browsing the internet to be more pleasurable on an iPad than it
> is on an iPhone as I'm into feeling the layout of pages, but I still
> use a computer for this sort of thing by default. Every now and again
> I'll be out and about for a few days & I'll be without a laptop which
> would be a good oppertunity for my iPad to shine, but I tend to take a
> bluetooth keyboard with me for these trips anyway, so the touch screen
> doesn't get that much use.
> 
> I've purchased two iPads so far with the intent of finding a use for
> them, but for me at least, there isn't really a space in my life for a
> device that isn't a phone or a PC.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ben.
> 
>> On 7/28/14, Joseph FreeTech  wrote:
>> Thought I'd help out by posting a relevant link on this iPhone vs iPad
>> question; it is information regarding a similar question asked in the
>> past--the information's source is from the ViPhone list archives:
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/viphone/iPhone$20vs$20iPad
>> 
>> The beauty of reading archived messages is that most of the follow-up
>> questions you may have will most likely have previously been asked and
>> answered, which means you don't have to ask the same question and wait for
>> an answer as the answer is already available. .
>> 
>> Joseph
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Re: Looking for a good Bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm curious, how does it support all three operating systems? I always 
just assumed that any keyboard, it being standard and all, would support 
any operating system, and that the only difference between a keyboard 
for an IOS device and a keyboard for a Windows devices was the key caps.


On 07/28/2014 04:19 AM, Gmail wrote:

I've never used it, but Jenny posted to the list recently about this keyboard. 
I'll put what she wrote in her message below.

In the meantime I wanted to pass along a tip on a great little Bluetooth 
keyboard that costs half as much as the Logitech K810.  It is the Sharkk 3.0 
bluetooth keyboard.  It is a tiny bit smaller than the Logitech and it supports 
all 3 operating systems, iOS, Windows and Android all on the one keyboard.  You 
use simple commands to switch between them.  Unlike the Logitech the function 
keys are regular function keys meaning if you use it with Windows keystrokes 
like alt+f4, insert+f11 etc all work where as on the Logitech you would need to 
download and install utility to make that work.  It has great battery life and 
for those who want it it is back lit with a choice of 7 colors and 
brightnesses.  Perhaps the best part is that it only costs $29.99.  I own one 
and a friend of mine just got one and both he and his wife like it much better 
then the Rivo keyboard which they say is much to tiny.  She says she wished she 
had one of these instead.Btw, it defaults to iOS for the keyboard con

figuration.



Thanks,
Ari


On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:42 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

I will agree with this. I love my Logitech 810.

Jenn

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:00 AM, "'Ming' via VIPhone"  
wrote:

I think Logitech is a good one.

Ming
Skype: chungchiming9950



On 2014年7月26日, at 下午3:58, Beth G  wrote:

Hi,
I'm looking for a good Bluetooth keyboard recommendation. I prefer the QWERTY 
PC layout as I am not a MacUser
I have an iPhone 5. Any recommendation to be helpful. Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution

[Thom Spittle]

It seems that you have to go through the whole name. You would choose how
the first name is spoken, then the last.
Also, I believe you have to do it to each contact with that last name.

HTH,
Thom

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jan Kleinhans
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 10:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution

Hi

I was wondering if you were only to change the last name, would you still
speak out the whole contact name then, as the name might be spoken
correctly, but you only want to change the surname for instanse?
 I have a few contacts where the first names are okay, but I would want to
change the surname spoken.

Thanks for an interesting topic.

Jan Kleinhans- Original Message -
From: "Joseph FreeTech" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 12:46 PM
Subject: Teaching Siri to pronounce names - Solution


Ok all, couldn't resist, so I experimented a bit more, and here is how I
used Siri to change how it pronounces odd names:
1. Ask Siri to "Contact x" (where X is the person with the oddly spoken
name).

2. Regardless of Siri's answer, press the Home button to essentially cancel
the request.

3. Now, press the Home button once again and say the following to Siri:
That is not how you pronounce X.
Note: remember, X is the person's unusual name.

4. Siri will ask you: "Ok, how do you pronounce the name X?" Siri will wait
for an answer, so go ahead and say out loud the person's name.

5. After saying the person's name, the next prompt you will get is Siri
asking: "Ok, thank you, which pronunciation should I use?"

6. At this point use a 4-finger single tap to go to the top of the screen
and swipe to the right to read the screen. When you reach "Play option 1"
you will double-tap to hear the new Siri pronunciation. You will probably
get three choices, so listen to them in the same way just described. when
you are ready to make a choice simply double-tap on the "Select button"
associated with the desired option.

7. You will be asked to choose a pronunciation for any remaining parts of
the person's name such as left middle and last name.

8. When the process has completed, you will hear one of two messages:
"Thanks for correcting me on that, I'll pronounce it as X from now on."
or
"Great, I'll pronounce it "X" from now on."
If you are not presented with these Siri replies, it is likely the changes
did not go through so try again.

9. If all went well, press the Home button to close any remaining Siri
screen.

10. Now test your pronunciation changes by asking Siri "Contact x." You
should hear Siri speak the new name.

If you can get this feature to work, it is very, very cool!

Joseph the free tech guy!

- Original Message - 
From: "Joseph FreeTech" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 2:59 AM
Subject: Teaching Siri to pronounce names


Hi all,

Came across the following instructions to teach Siri to pronounce foreign
and uncommon names more naturally. I could not get this to work. Hoping
someone will post better instructions. . For now, its definitely
possible as this YouTube video demonstrates:

? Teach Siri to Pronounce Contact Names Correctly in iOS 7 - iPhone
[How-To] - YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPcYB3bysFQ

Here are the written instructions:

Teaching Siri How to Say Complicated Names

If you want to teach her how to properly pronounce a name, just open up Siri
and tell her, "That's not how you pronounce [name goes here]." From there,
she'll give you several options as to who's name you want her to learn, if
she doesn't already recognize it.

As an example, I used Marielle Escobar from my contacts. Siri pronounces the
first name as Marielle, when it should be pronounced Mary-Lee, so I opened
up Siri and said "That's not how you pronounce Marielle."

Siri then asks me, "OK, how do you pronounce the name (Marielle)?"

I then pronounce the name the correct way (Mary-Lee) and Siri gives me three
options to choose from, all slight variations of Mary-Lee, if not exact
replicas. If none of those sound correct, you can tell Siri again. If an
option works, press Select.

Once you select it, Siri will ask you about the last name. You can pronounce
it as well, even if it's already correct. It will then do the same thing
again, giving you three options to choose from. Once you're done, Siri will
say, "Great, I'll pronounce it "First Name, Last Name" and you'll be ready
to go.

No more Siri massacring our exotic names.
http://ios.wonderhowto.com/how-to/make-siri-pronounce-contact-names-correctl
y-ios-7-0148665/

Joseph the free tech guy!


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