Re: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

[Arlene]

Joshua, if the sim card in your terra flip phone is a new micro sim card it 
would fit in your new iphone 8. If for some reason  the sim card wouldn't 
fit or they think it's best to put a new sim card in your phone, they may be 
able to copy your contacts to your new phone. I'll tell you about a few 
experiences we had going from flip phones to iphones. Last year e went from 
2  t-mobile  samsung t-199 phones, a candy bar phone to 2 se phones. The 
t-199 phone came out in either 2013 or 2014 when I got the 2 phones, so they 
had the older sim cards, so the salesman put new sim cards in the phones. 
There at t-mobile they had a machine that could copy the contacts from the 
t-199 to the iphone. When All the contacts were copied over to both iphones. 
while the contacts were copied fine, the only thing different was the name 
of the contacts were backwards, for example you would hear a contact's last 
name first, and second you would hear their first name. We had another flip 
phone that came out in about 2017 that we  began using with consumer 
cellular which was an alcatel phone so it has the new sim card in it. So 
when we decided to get a se phone with consumer cellular, since the sim card 
in the alcatel was the newer one, the sim card fit right into the new se 
phone. In that particular phone I didn't have any contacts in the phone, so 
at consumer cellular I don't know if the contacts  could have been copied 
Usually the contacts aren't on the sim card, unless you save them to the sim 
card. the sim cards in the older flip phones are bigger than the iphone sim 
cards. so  you would need a new sim card.- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:50 PM
Subject: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get 
contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8




Hi to all.  My very helpful and reliable LG TERRA flip phone has
finally decided to die and not come on.  It does have a sim card in it
where I know all my contacts are stored.  Since I'll be getting my new
iPhone this Wednesday, will the folks at the apple store be able to
take out my sim card and transfer the contacts to my new iPhone 8?
--
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RE: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If it's an old full-size SIM then I don't think it can be made into a Nano SIM, 
but then again I have been wrong before once or twice.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of lenron 
brown
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get 
contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

You can also get that sim card cut down to size if you need to.

On 5/26/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Joshua,
>
> This is only a guess but it sounds to me as though your current legacy 
> phone is several years old.  If this is, in fact, the case, then, most 
> likely, the SIM that it uses will be larger than the nanno SIM used in 
> many modern phones.  If this is the case, then your new phone will be 
> activated using a new SIM card.
>
> This is not to say that Apple cannot transfer your contacts from one 
> device to another but, to be honest, I wouldn't count on it.  I say 
> this so that you will not be disappointed if Apple cannot transfer your data.
>
> The good news is that, assuming that you are not going to trade in 
> your legacy phone, you will still have access to its contents.
>
> Again, this is only a guess.
>
> Good luck and let us know what happens.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get 
> contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8
>
> Hi to all.  My very helpful and reliable LG TERRA flip phone has 
> finally decided to die and not come on.  It does have a sim card in it 
> where I know all my contacts are stored.  Since I'll be getting my new 
> iPhone this Wednesday, will the folks at the apple store be able to 
> take out my sim card and transfer the contacts to my new iPhone 8?
> --
> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

[lenron brown]

You can also get that sim card cut down to size if you need to.

On 5/26/19, M. Taylor  wrote:
> Hello Joshua,
>
> This is only a guess but it sounds to me as though your current legacy phone
> is several years old.  If this is, in fact, the case, then, most likely, the
> SIM that it uses will be larger than the nanno SIM used in many modern
> phones.  If this is the case, then your new phone will be activated using a
> new SIM card.
>
> This is not to say that Apple cannot transfer your contacts from one device
> to another but, to be honest, I wouldn't count on it.  I say this so that
> you will not be disappointed if Apple cannot transfer your data.
>
> The good news is that, assuming that you are not going to trade in your
> legacy phone, you will still have access to its contents.
>
> Again, this is only a guess.
>
> Good luck and let us know what happens.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:51 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get
> contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8
>
> Hi to all.  My very helpful and reliable LG TERRA flip phone has finally
> decided to die and not come on.  It does have a sim card in it where I know
> all my contacts are stored.  Since I'll be getting my new iPhone this
> Wednesday, will the folks at the apple store be able to take out my sim card
> and transfer the contacts to my new iPhone 8?
> --
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Richard Turner]

by asking Alexa who won today's Indianapolis 500, I got this:
Today, Simon Pagenaud won the Indianapolis 500 by 208 milliseconds after taking 
the lead in the 199th lap. Alexander Rossi finished in 2nd and Takuma Sato 
finished in 3rd.


Check out my web site at: 
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“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On May 26, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND 
mailto:pamela.a.ekstrand@disney.com>> 
wrote:

I think we can find all kinds of examples where one outshines the other.

Today we asked Alexa who won the 2019 Indianapolis 500.  She could only tell us 
who won it in 2018.

When I asked SIRI the same question, we got the correct answer.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of 
Richard Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app 
for iPhone

Here is my favorite example concerning Siri VS Alexa.
When the college Football bowl games were announced, there was one called the 
Red Box Bowl.
Well, I had never heard of that. No matter how I asked about the Red Box Bowl, 
Siri would only give me locations of Red Box video rentals near me.
When I asked Alexa the same question which was, where is the Red Box Bowl, 
Alexa not only told me where it was, but who was playing, what time and on 
which network.
There have been other examples; but I won't bore you with them here.
Maybe Alexa just likes me best, grin.
Richard


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in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On May 26, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree with Mary, but it is little surprise that Google probably delivers the 
best answers to the most questions given that their business is entirely 
information and they do, after all, have probably the best and most integrated 
access to Google as a search engine. It is truly amazing how accurately and to 
the point I can ask my Google Home Mini for the phone number of a business and 
get exactly the correct answer or even better, how I can simply ask it to call 
said business. When it comes to calls the call quality of the Google Home Mini 
beats that of my Alexa speakers handsdown and both are on very high-speed and 
low-latency fiber networks. I love Alexa for the access to Audible, but for 
almost everything else we use our Google Home Mini speakers.


-Original Message-
From: 
viphone@googlegroups.com
 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:46 AM
To: 
viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app 
for iPhone

Hi richard,
Your experience is very interesting. I freely admit that I often get not very 
helpful responses from Siri. But if anything, Alexa is worse. I have an echo 
device, and it’s so bad at giving me general answers to questions I ask that 
I’ve pretty much given up using it except for weather forecast, some news, 
timers, etc. Google assistant wins hands-down in the USful answers department, 
at least for me.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 9:35 

RE: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

[M. Taylor]

Hello Joshua,

This is only a guess but it sounds to me as though your current legacy phone is 
several years old.  If this is, in fact, the case, then, most likely, the SIM 
that it uses will be larger than the nanno SIM used in many modern phones.  If 
this is the case, then your new phone will be activated using a new SIM card.

This is not to say that Apple cannot transfer your contacts from one device to 
another but, to be honest, I wouldn't count on it.  I say this so that you will 
not be disappointed if Apple cannot transfer your data.

The good news is that, assuming that you are not going to trade in your legacy 
phone, you will still have access to its contents.

Again, this is only a guess.

Good luck and let us know what happens.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: have a quick question about the apple store being able to get contacts 
from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

Hi to all.  My very helpful and reliable LG TERRA flip phone has finally 
decided to die and not come on.  It does have a sim card in it where I know all 
my contacts are stored.  Since I'll be getting my new iPhone this Wednesday, 
will the folks at the apple store be able to take out my sim card and transfer 
the contacts to my new iPhone 8?
--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: addendum to the theme question

[Sieghard Weitzel]

There’s got to be a party pooper in every crowd, what I wonder is why Devon is 
even on this list since he seems to be included in the “we Android users”, oh 
right, his signature is “Sent from my iPhone”.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Devin Prater 
Subject: Re: addendum to the theme question


It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good about 
the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. I can 
certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, Google and 
Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you trash a product you 
don't choose to use yourself you're also putting down all of those people who 
didn't make the same choice you did.




On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille keyboard that is 
maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all these, the 
vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan 
mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com>> wrote:
One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there are 
so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or sending 
emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I don’t use 
that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use it.  In 
adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the onscreen 
keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all available.  
It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these methods.
God bless!
Paula and Garçon
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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Mark, thanks again, we'll give it a try.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:46 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



Hello Arlene,

Wow!  It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one 
of the most densely populated cities in your state.


Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Arlene

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in 
oklahoma city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the 
company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, 
have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started 
their own company, so that was good. - Original Message -

From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an 
iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app.


Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local 
taxi companies such as Yellow Cab.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I 
won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to 
make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing 
AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.

However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I 
have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have 
such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much 
braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can 
read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble 
reading it.


On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
know about it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
wrote:

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
important skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
using braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
> iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
> excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
> remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
> iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's
> house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
> came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
> anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
> implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
> I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
> support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
> isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
> have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
> this, except to say that some users don't need 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This Curb app shows up when I do a search in the App Store, but several reviews 
mention that it does not work in Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hello Mich,

In lieu of, or in conjunction wit, Uber and Lyft, give Curb, the taxi app, a 
try.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I 
use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I 
still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and 
stuff. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an 

have a quick question about the apple store being able to get contacts from my lg TERRA flip phone to my new iPhone 8

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Hi to all.  My very helpful and reliable LG TERRA flip phone has
finally decided to die and not come on.  It does have a sim card in it
where I know all my contacts are stored.  Since I'll be getting my new
iPhone this Wednesday, will the folks at the apple store be able to
take out my sim card and transfer the contacts to my new iPhone 8?
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Arlene,

Wow!  It is difficult to believe that Yellow Cab went out of business in one of 
the most densely populated cities in your state.

Yes, the Curb app aggregates multiple local companies.

Mark 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Arlene
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in oklahoma 
city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the company is no 
longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, have a yellow 
cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started their own company, so 
that was good. - Original Message -
From: "M. Taylor" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS 
app called Curb, the Taxi app.

Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi 
companies such as Yellow Cab.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. 
However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. 
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have 
improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very 
fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so 
many books are available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just 
fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's 
>> > house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough 

Re: How to Lock Apps On Any iPhone

[Arlene]

Marcio, I found the article very informative with very clear instructions. 
Thank you.


Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:37 PM
Subject: RE: How to Lock Apps On Any iPhone


Hello Marcio,

This article was very interesting.

We always welcome articles that teach us how to use Apple products.

Mark

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:54 AM
To: ViPhone List
Subject: How to Lock Apps On Any iPhone

Hi,
Daily, I get articles like this one I'll share below.
However, before I can do it, I'd like to know: Mark, can I post these 
articles here? Will it help somehow?



Whether you want to protect your app settings or stop the kids from seeing 
something they shouldn't, this guide explains how to lock apps on any 
iPhone.

How to Lock First-Party Apps on iOS
iOS doesn't have a system-level feature that allows the locking of apps 
individually so, at the moment, the number of apps you can individually lock 
remains limited. However, there are a number of workarounds and fixes you 
can use, and while some of these don't directly lock individual apps, they 
produce much the same effect.

INSTRUCTIONS FOR IOS 12 AND ABOVE
1. Tap Settings.
2. Tap Screen Time
3. Select Content & Privacy Restrictions
4. Tap Allowed Apps.
5. Toggle all the green switches to OFF for apps you don't want to use.
6. Tap the Back button or swipe up to go to the Home screen.
INSTRUCTIONS FOR IOS 11 AND BELOW
One simple app lock method that works for all iPhones — but works only with 
first-party Apple apps – involves the use of Restrictions. A first-party app 
is an app that Apple creates (as opposed from another software maker):
Go to Settings > General. Then scroll down and tap Restrictions > Enable 
Restrictions.
Once prompted, enter a new Passcode and then enter again to confirm. Note it 
down and store away if need be.
Having enabled restrictions and entered a new Passcode, you'll then be 
presented with a variety of options. Firstly, under the ALLOW subheading, 
you'll have the option of disallowing a range of first-party apps, such as 
Safari, Siri, and FaceTime. This doesn't include apps you've downloaded (see 
below), but by swiping the green toggle icon to the off position, you'll be 
able to stop any disallowed apps from appearing on your Home screen. In 
other words, this isn't an app lock method so much as a temporary app 
removal method, since apps you 'lock' in this way won't be accessible even 
to you until you re-allow them.
By scrolling to the ALLOWED CONTENT subheading, you can also set parental 
controls on the type of content/media someone can view on your phone. In 
addition, you can use the PRIVACY subheading to prevent changes from being 
made to your various privacy settings, and use the ALLOW CHANGES subheading 
to freeze a range of miscellaneous options, such as your Volume Limit.

Set Time Limits for Apps
You can also set time limits for your apps, which is kind of like locking 
apps away from your own use.

Go to Settings > Screen Time > App Limits > Add Limit.
Once you see the list of apps, you'll get to make a decision on which to 
restrict access.
Tap the checkbox button to the left of the app category (like Social 
Networking) you want to restrict.
Choose a time limit for use of that app category (eg, 1 hour). You can also 
customize the days you want this restriction in place. Tap the Add button to 
save the settings.

Password App Lock: How to Lock Apps on iPhone Using Guided Access
Guided Access is something of a 'nuclear' app lock option, in that it 
effectively prevents you from leaving the app you're currently using. Still, 
it could come in handy if your child wants to use a particular app on your 
phone, but you're worried that she or he might venture elsewhere.

1. Go to Settings on the iPhone Home screen
2. Tap General
3. Tap Accessibility
4. Scroll down and tap Guided Access
5. Swipe the Guided Access toggle button in the green On position
6. Tap Passcode Settings and then Set Guided Access Passcode.
7. Enter a new Passcode and then enter it again to confirm. You can also 
enable Face ID on this screen.
Once you've enabled Guided Access and set your Passcode, you can then use 
the feature by opening any app and pressing the Home button three times once 
the app has started.

Note: iPhone X users will have to press the Side button three times.
Doing this will bring up the Guided Access start screen, which allows you to 
draw a circle around the areas of the screen you wish to disable (you can 
set it to cover the entire screen or none of it). Alternatively, you can 
click the Options button in the bottom-right corner of the screen, which can 
be used to disable everything from the Volume Buttons to the touchscreen, 
and to set a time limit on the Guided Access session (up to 24 hours).
And finally, if you own a Touch ID-enabled iPhone, you can use Touch ID to 
end a Guided Access session, 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Mark, thanks for the curb app. In the app does it have more than one cab 
company for  each area? Believe it or not, as of March 24th, here in 
oklahoma city  yellow cab is no longer. It's still unbelieveable that the 
company is no longer here, since so many cities, just about anywhere you go, 
have a yellow cab company. Some of the drivers got together and started 
their own company, so that was good. - Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:32 PM
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an 
iOS app called Curb, the Taxi app.


Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local 
taxi companies such as Yellow Cab.


Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I 
won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to 
make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing 
AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone. 
However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life. 
I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I 
have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have 
such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much 
braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can 
read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble 
reading it.


On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
know about it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!


On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
wrote:

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
important skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
using braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
> wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
> iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
> excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
> remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
> iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's 
> house.

> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
> came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
> anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
> implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
> I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
> support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
> isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
> have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
> this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its
> somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I
> suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can
> be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not
> enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service
> disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're
> assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small
> parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely 
> together.

>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access.
> Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols
> in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself,
> but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not 

RE: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

I think we can find all kinds of examples where one outshines the other.

 Today we asked Alexa who won the 2019 Indianapolis 500.  She could only tell 
us who won it in 2018.

When I asked SIRI the same question, we got the correct answer.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Richard 
Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app 
for iPhone

Here is my favorite example concerning Siri VS Alexa.
When the college Football bowl games were announced, there was one called the 
Red Box Bowl.
Well, I had never heard of that. No matter how I asked about the Red Box Bowl, 
Siri would only give me locations of Red Box video rentals near me.
When I asked Alexa the same question which was, where is the Red Box Bowl, 
Alexa not only told me where it was, but who was playing, what time and on 
which network.
There have been other examples; but I won't bore you with them here.
Maybe Alexa just likes me best, grin.
Richard


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“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On May 26, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree with Mary, but it is little surprise that Google probably delivers the 
best answers to the most questions given that their business is entirely 
information and they do, after all, have probably the best and most integrated 
access to Google as a search engine. It is truly amazing how accurately and to 
the point I can ask my Google Home Mini for the phone number of a business and 
get exactly the correct answer or even better, how I can simply ask it to call 
said business. When it comes to calls the call quality of the Google Home Mini 
beats that of my Alexa speakers handsdown and both are on very high-speed and 
low-latency fiber networks. I love Alexa for the access to Audible, but for 
almost everything else we use our Google Home Mini speakers.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app 
for iPhone

Hi richard,
Your experience is very interesting. I freely admit that I often get not very 
helpful responses from Siri. But if anything, Alexa is worse. I have an echo 
device, and it’s so bad at giving me general answers to questions I ask that 
I’ve pretty much given up using it except for weather forecast, some news, 
timers, etc. Google assistant wins hands-down in the USful answers department, 
at least for me.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I can see I need to qualify my statement.
It works quite well without any kind of Google Speaker and for skills, I 
haven't gone looking for them as I simply use it when Siri is useless, which 
happens more than it used to.
I can ask the same question of Alexa as Siri and get a very useful answer from 
Alexa and either nothing, or useless information from Siri.
Not all the time mind you, but enough that it is nice to have both available.

Richard


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it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how
to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life,
The Universe and Everything, p.59

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Mich,

In lieu of, or in conjunction wit, Uber and Lyft, give Curb, the taxi app, a 
try.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 12:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I 
use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I 
still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and 
stuff. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux 

RE: How to Lock Apps On Any iPhone

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marcio,

This article was very interesting.  

We always welcome articles that teach us how to use Apple products.

Mark

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:54 AM
To: ViPhone List
Subject: How to Lock Apps On Any iPhone

Hi,
Daily, I get articles like this one I'll share below.
However, before I can do it, I'd like to know: Mark, can I post these articles 
here? Will it help somehow?


Whether you want to protect your app settings or stop the kids from seeing 
something they shouldn't, this guide explains how to lock apps on any iPhone.
How to Lock First-Party Apps on iOS 
iOS doesn't have a system-level feature that allows the locking of apps 
individually so, at the moment, the number of apps you can individually lock 
remains limited. However, there are a number of workarounds and fixes you can 
use, and while some of these don't directly lock individual apps, they produce 
much the same effect.
INSTRUCTIONS FOR IOS 12 AND ABOVE
1. Tap Settings.
2. Tap Screen Time
3. Select Content & Privacy Restrictions
4. Tap Allowed Apps.
5. Toggle all the green switches to OFF for apps you don't want to use.
6. Tap the Back button or swipe up to go to the Home screen.
INSTRUCTIONS FOR IOS 11 AND BELOW
One simple app lock method that works for all iPhones — but works only with 
first-party Apple apps – involves the use of Restrictions. A first-party app is 
an app that Apple creates (as opposed from another software maker):
Go to Settings > General. Then scroll down and tap Restrictions > Enable 
Restrictions.
Once prompted, enter a new Passcode and then enter again to confirm. Note it 
down and store away if need be.
Having enabled restrictions and entered a new Passcode, you'll then be 
presented with a variety of options. Firstly, under the ALLOW subheading, 
you'll have the option of disallowing a range of first-party apps, such as 
Safari, Siri, and FaceTime. This doesn't include apps you've downloaded (see 
below), but by swiping the green toggle icon to the off position, you'll be 
able to stop any disallowed apps from appearing on your Home screen. In other 
words, this isn't an app lock method so much as a temporary app removal method, 
since apps you 'lock' in this way won't be accessible even to you until you 
re-allow them.
By scrolling to the ALLOWED CONTENT subheading, you can also set parental 
controls on the type of content/media someone can view on your phone. In 
addition, you can use the PRIVACY subheading to prevent changes from being made 
to your various privacy settings, and use the ALLOW CHANGES subheading to 
freeze a range of miscellaneous options, such as your Volume Limit.
Set Time Limits for Apps 
You can also set time limits for your apps, which is kind of like locking apps 
away from your own use.
Go to Settings > Screen Time > App Limits > Add Limit.
Once you see the list of apps, you'll get to make a decision on which to 
restrict access.
Tap the checkbox button to the left of the app category (like Social 
Networking) you want to restrict.
Choose a time limit for use of that app category (eg, 1 hour). You can also 
customize the days you want this restriction in place. Tap the Add button to 
save the settings.
Password App Lock: How to Lock Apps on iPhone Using Guided Access 
Guided Access is something of a 'nuclear' app lock option, in that it 
effectively prevents you from leaving the app you're currently using. Still, it 
could come in handy if your child wants to use a particular app on your phone, 
but you're worried that she or he might venture elsewhere.
1. Go to Settings on the iPhone Home screen
2. Tap General
3. Tap Accessibility
4. Scroll down and tap Guided Access
5. Swipe the Guided Access toggle button in the green On position
6. Tap Passcode Settings and then Set Guided Access Passcode.
7. Enter a new Passcode and then enter it again to confirm. You can also enable 
Face ID on this screen.
Once you've enabled Guided Access and set your Passcode, you can then use the 
feature by opening any app and pressing the Home button three times once the 
app has started.
Note: iPhone X users will have to press the Side button three times.
Doing this will bring up the Guided Access start screen, which allows you to 
draw a circle around the areas of the screen you wish to disable (you can set 
it to cover the entire screen or none of it). Alternatively, you can click the 
Options button in the bottom-right corner of the screen, which can be used to 
disable everything from the Volume Buttons to the touchscreen, and to set a 
time limit on the Guided Access session (up to 24 hours).
And finally, if you own a Touch ID-enabled iPhone, you can use Touch ID to end 
a Guided Access session, instead of a passcode. To enable this, you need simply 
follow steps 1-5 above, but then at step 6, after tapping Passcode Settings, 
you toggle Touch ID into the On position.
App Lock Fingerprint: How to Use Touch ID to Lock Compatible 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Marie and well said.

I admire your independence and ability to live alone.

Bravo.

Mark


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Marie N.
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is that 
you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the time to 
help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist you 
to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many of the 
drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. 
The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the 
drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to get 
out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and a 
good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought 
additional benefits.

-Original Message-
From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my thouhts as 
good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping us, I 
just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in the scene. 
Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started with that and 
that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the web" or, 
like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, as I remember, 
cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a car. 
We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now using the cab 
service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your family, 
relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from other people 
aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to be completely 
honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're result of some blind 
people who found the way to use the modern technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right here 
but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some thought what was 
really a life changers and what was just the advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
> Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of 
> the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I 
> can not do as easily on the computer.
> The first and for me the thing which has really given me an 
> independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now 
> go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally 
> on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having 
> to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in 
> advance with a para transit service.
> 2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
> computer.
> 3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with 
> a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with 
> the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
> 4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
> sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
> 5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
> assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about 
> what bills I have when I go out.
> There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the 
> computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to 
> have both it and my PC.
> Marie
>
> -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>
> Hi to all!
>
> I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the 
> subjectt and I can't agree with most mentioned.
>
> Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a 
> tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones 
> and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.
>
> So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts, 
> 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Joshua,

Wow!  That guitar sounds fabulous.  

As for the lack of Lyft and Uber in your area, you may want to download an iOS 
app called Curb, the Taxi app.  

Essentially, it serves the same purpose as Uber and Lyft but serves local taxi 
companies such as Yellow Cab.  

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't 
>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, 
>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by 
>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the 
>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books 

RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Karen,

Wow!  Your post was beautiful and truly inspires me to find yet even more uses 
for my various technologies.  

Thank you so much for sharing.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Karen Poulakos
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 5:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

While I used a pc for many years before getting my iPhone and iPad, the 
portability of the iPhone and iPad  has made a world of difference in the way I 
do things, and has widened the scope of what I am able to accomplish  without 
sighted help. 

My iPhone has played a huge role in my ability to learn to play the harp, which 
began as an older adult, in 2010.  I am able to record my lessons on my phone, 
and easily transfer them to my pc.  The Talking Tuner app allows me to keep my 
harp in tune.  Youtube and iTunes make it possible to hear variations on a song 
I might be learning.  A metronome app helps me to work on rhythm in difficult 
sections of music.  And, Facetime allows me to take a lesson from a teacher 2 
states away from where I live.

For several years my husband and I vended at conferences.  The Square app 
allowed me to take credit cards independently, and the money reader app helped 
me to keep my money organized.

When traveling by car, the Maps app allows me to get a better sense of where we 
are.  I can check the weather in our destination ahead of time, so I can decide 
what to pack.  I can ask Siri to suggest restaurants, etc. in the area as we 
travel, and get directions  on how to get there.  I can set a wake up alarm. 

These devices have become such a major part of my life, that the list could go 
on forever.  The thing I do the least with my phone is talk on it.  When at 
home, I still prefer our land line phone for that 

Karen P 

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Re: Create a New Mailbox

[Andy Baracco]

Thank you.

Andy

- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: Create a New Mailbox



Hello Andy,

To create a new mailbox in the native Apple iOS mail app:

1.
With the list of current mailboxes on the display, from within the mail 
app. Select edit.


2.
Near the lower right corner of the display, select New MailBox.  A new 
dialog box will appear.


4.
Now, in the edit field, type in the name of your new mailbox.

5.
Select the location button, just below the edit field, and place focus on 
the mailbox that will be the parent of your new mailbox.


6.
Select save.

I think that's all there is to it.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Andy Baracco

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Create a New Mailbox

My wife has an iPhone 8 and uses Gmail for Email. She wants to create a 
mailbox for messages she wishes to keep.  How does one go about this?


Andy

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RE: Create a New Mailbox

[M. Taylor]

Hello Andy, 

To create a new mailbox in the native Apple iOS mail app:

1.
With the list of current mailboxes on the display, from within the mail app. 
Select edit.

2.
Near the lower right corner of the display, select New MailBox.  A new dialog 
box will appear.

4.
Now, in the edit field, type in the name of your new mailbox.

5.
Select the location button, just below the edit field, and place focus on the 
mailbox that will be the parent of your new mailbox.

6.
Select save.

I think that's all there is to it.

Mark

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My wife has an iPhone 8 and uses Gmail for Email. She wants to create a mailbox 
for messages she wishes to keep.  How does one go about this?
 
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My wife has an iPhone 8 and uses Gmail for Email. She wants to create a mailbox 
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Re: Wi-Fi for calls.

[Arlene]

Carolyn, go into settings
then go to cellular
tap on cellular
then in there you'll have several things you can do. If you wanted too, you 
could turn your cellular data completely off which would restrict your phone 
to wifi. How ever, I like to keep the cellular data on and swipe over to wi 
fi calling and enable it. You might have to go through settings to fill in 
some information. With the wi fi enabled, if you had a weak signal you would 
be using wi fi at home and when you would go out it would switch to cellular 
data. It's good to have both on, since it will automatically switch for you. 
If you just wanted to use wi fi you could just have the wi fi on.


Wayne
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:33 PM
Subject: Wi-Fi for calls.



Where do you go to set that? I went to Wi-Fi, but I didn't
figure it out. I thought a long time back I did, but decided
not to try it. Now that I've been hearing that it's OK, I'm
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Re: Headers In Folders

[Anna Dresner]

Hello,

As far as I know, there's only one edit box associated with each folder, and 
the name of the folder goes in that box. I'm not sure what you mean by a folder 
header other than the folder title.

Best,
Anna




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Re: Wi-Fi for calls.

[Devin Prater]

That's in the settings app, under "phone" settings, under "wi-fi calling." I 
hope that helps.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Where do you go to set that? I went to Wi-Fi, but I didn't
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Wi-Fi for calls.

[Carolyn Arnold]

Where do you go to set that? I went to Wi-Fi, but I didn't
figure it out. I thought a long time back I did, but decided
not to try it. Now that I've been hearing that it's OK, I'm
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Re: WiFi calling

[Mike B.]

Hi Marie,

We use wifi calling exclusively at either home even though we have a good 
Verizon signal.  I guess you could say using wifi is some added insurance 
against dropped calls, unless you lose your internet service!  LOL  Give it 
a try just to experiment and see how you like it.  A tip, if you have both 2 
& 5G networks available, the 2G has better range and is a little slower, but 
the 5G hasbetter speed with a little less range.  Either way I think you'll 
do better with either the 2 or 5g wifi than strictly using the Verizon 
signal.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please 
everybody.
- Original Message - 
From: Marie N.
To: viphone
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:52 AM
Subject: WiFi calling


I have a fairly poor cell signal in my home and too often have calls 
dropped. I have Verizon and outside my little neighborhood the coverage is 
excellent. I would like some opinions about using WiFi calling to improve 
this. I admit that I know little about the feature so any help will be 
appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Marie

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No one has more to say than the woman who says she doesn't want to talk 
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To: viphone
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:52 AM
Subject: WiFi calling


I have a fairly poor cell signal in my home and too often have calls 
dropped. I have Verizon and outside my little neighborhood the coverage is 
excellent. I would like some opinions about using WiFi calling to improve 
this. I admit that I know little about the feature so any help will be 
appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Marie

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Headers In Folders

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recently, I changed the header in one of my folders. Now the change shows 
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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I assume it's the Voice Dream Reader app.


On 5/26/19 6:29 PM, Arlene wrote:

Marie, What is the vdr app? Thank you.

Arlene
- Original Message - From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" 


To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?



My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff 
members gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9.
After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to 
be replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my 
iPad got stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod 
touch 6th gen and managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. 
That same year at Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X.

My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately 
with your contact information and I will happily add you.

maria.reye...@icloud.com


On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi!

Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not 
my native language so it is possible i miss some points but


As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not 
just for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We 
don't have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their 
drivers don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties 
unles they don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab 
services. It is the good will of the driver will he or she help you 
to the door or whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just 
as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have 
anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity.


And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice 
Over which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I 
managed to do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and 
I can't call it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like 
"in the begginning there was dark... And Apple says let there be 
Voice Over" which is, if not good than atleast not correct.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my 
Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted 
person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so 
this is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to 
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here 
where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars 
are not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are 
clean and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and 
friendly so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are 
also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the 
computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the 
IPhone has brought additional benefits.


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Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not 
helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they 
came in

the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and 
request a

car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. 
And to

be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user 
of the Windows PC, there are things that I 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Arlene]

Marie, What is the vdr app? Thank you.

Arlene
- Original Message - 
From: "'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?



My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members 
gave me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9.
After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be 
replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got 
stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and 
managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at 
Christmas I got my beloved iPhone X.

My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with 
your contact information and I will happily add you.

maria.reye...@icloud.com


On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:

Hi!

Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my 
native language so it is possible i miss some points but


As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just 
for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't 
have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't 
have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't 
want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good 
will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had 
great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. 
And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's 
just matter of humanity.


And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over 
which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to 
do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it 
lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning 
there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not 
good than atleast not correct.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes 
is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has 
the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important 
to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to 
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I 
live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean 
and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and 
comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am 
much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer 
and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has 
brought additional benefits.


-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of 
the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I 
can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me 

Re: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

[Arlene]

Silly me, I did mean voice dream scanner. Richard, we couldn't  seem to read 
the 3 digits either, except there was 3 digits we were able to hear, that came 
up with more than so many times of scanning the card. So those 3 digits might 
be the 3 digits, or maybe not.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:17 AM
  Subject: RE: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime


  Arlene,

  Are you talking about Voice Dream Scanner?

   

  I’ve had it scan a credit card fine, but I couldn’t get the 3 digit code.

  It took a few tries to get the rest.

   

  Richard

   

   

  Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

  “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
  Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:21 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

   

  Richard, voice dream reader is really great, but it was disappointing 
yesterday when we were trying to scan a new credit card. 

   

  We made a face time call to a friend about 7 or 8 months ago and it was easy 
to do, but we can't figure out how to just make a call to just one person with 
face time. We're wondering if something has changed in how to do it.

  Thank you.

  Arlene

   

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Bard will be one of the first apps I get on my new iPhone.  I will
also be getting the google home app so I can get my google home set up
again.  I really miss it.  My sister said that this coming Wednesday
we should be able to go and get my new iPhone.  That is a very good
thing since my flip phone isn't wanting to turn on any more and keeps
dropping calls.

On 5/26/19, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather.
> I use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I
> still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and
> stuff. From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>
> Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I
> won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to
> make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing
> AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.
> However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.
>  I'd say something that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I
> have improved very much in my ability to play the guitar now that I have
> such a very fine instrument.  As for reading braille, I don't read much
> braille since so many books are available in audio format.  However, I can
> read braille just fine.  If I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble
> reading it.
>
> On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> There are all types of people out there.
>> People who are ignorant.
>> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to
>> know about it.
>> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
>> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
>> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
>> God bless Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
>>> important skill dead?
>>>
>>> Devin Prater
>>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or
>>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal
>>> Independence?
>>>
>>> Hi Devon;
>>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are
>>> using braille for today.
>>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>>> Keep it up.
>>> God bless
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>>
>>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first
>>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and
>>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I
>>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the
>>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's
>>> > house.
>>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10
>>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel
>>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty
>>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So,
>>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>>> >
>>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
>>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack
>>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you
>>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify
>>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its
>>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with
>>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I
>>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can
>>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not
>>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service
>>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're
>>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small
>>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely
>>> > together.
>>> >
>>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access.
>>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols
>>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself,
>>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying
>>> > Apple doesn't 

RE: iOS History: Were You There At The Beginning?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Shelly, are these books in Braille. Does any of them provide step-by-step 
guides to do exactly what is needed. An example of something that I know now:

Add a new Contact

1. From the Desktop, locate Contacts and double-tap. Later, we'll learn how do 
to it from the Phone App in the Dock at the bottom of the screen.
2. Place your index finger toward the top left of the screenVoiceOver should 
say Contacts, Heading.
3. Flick right. VoiceOver should say add. 
4. Double-tap, and VoiceOver should say double-tap to edut, and so forth and so 
on. Yall all know how to do this, but I think you get the drift. Do you provide 
step-by-step details to perform tasks? If so, and the books are in Braille, 
where can one be purchased? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shelly Brisbin
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 4:37 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: iOS History: Were You There At The Beginning?

Grr. I made a little typo in my email address, which would make it kind of hard 
for you to get in touch with me. My apologies. Please send to:

she...@shellyspodcast.com

Just to l's. 

Thanks,
-shelly

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 2:49:02 PM UTC-5, Shelly Brisbin wrote:

Hello!
Some of you know me. Some of you don’t. I’ve written six editions of 
the book, iOS Access for All, and a seventh will probably happen sometime this 
fall. And I make a bunch of podcasts. But I’m working on something else. And I 
could use your help.

June 19 marks the 10th anniversary of an accessible iOS. It’s the day 
the iPhone 3GS shipped in the US. To commemorate that milestone, I’m producing 
an audio project, to be released on June 19, 2019. I’ve interviewed lots of 
people who were around at the time the iPhone got VoiceOver, and I’m looking to 
talk with a couple more. I want to record short audio interviews this week. If 
you’re interested, and one of the descriptions below fits you, please drop me 
an email at the address below. Again, I really need to do these this week. 
Here’s who I’m looking for:

–people who have used iPhone or iPad in school or college, particularly 
if you can talk about how that experience was different from your pre-iOS 
accessibility experiences in education. 

– women and people of color, especially if you were interested in, or 
purchased an iPhone/iPod Touch when it first became accessible in 2009, but 
also if you have a good iOS story to tell, but weren’t in that early wave.

– iOS developers

– people who use iOS accessibility tools other than VoiceOver

– any former Apple folks who can talk about what it was like to work on 
accessibility there.

If you fit one of these categories, please get in touch privately. I’ll 
talk with as many people as I can, given short time. And either way, watch for 
the program on June 19. I’ll send a link along to the list.


Thanks to all,

-shelly Brisbin
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Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Here is my favorite example concerning Siri VS Alexa.
When the college Football bowl games were announced, there was one called the 
Red Box Bowl.
Well, I had never heard of that. No matter how I asked about the Red Box Bowl, 
Siri would only give me locations of Red Box video rentals near me.
When I asked Alexa the same question which was, where is the Red Box Bowl, 
Alexa not only told me where it was, but who was playing, what time and on 
which network.
There have been other examples; but I won't bore you with them here.
Maybe Alexa just likes me best, grin.
Richard


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in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On May 26, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree with Mary, but it is little surprise that Google probably delivers the 
best answers to the most questions given that their business is entirely 
information and they do, after all, have probably the best and most integrated 
access to Google as a search engine. It is truly amazing how accurately and to 
the point I can ask my Google Home Mini for the phone number of a business and 
get exactly the correct answer or even better, how I can simply ask it to call 
said business. When it comes to calls the call quality of the Google Home Mini 
beats that of my Alexa speakers handsdown and both are on very high-speed and 
low-latency fiber networks. I love Alexa for the access to Audible, but for 
almost everything else we use our Google Home Mini speakers.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app 
for iPhone

Hi richard,
Your experience is very interesting. I freely admit that I often get not very 
helpful responses from Siri. But if anything, Alexa is worse. I have an echo 
device, and it’s so bad at giving me general answers to questions I ask that 
I’ve pretty much given up using it except for weather forecast, some news, 
timers, etc. Google assistant wins hands-down in the USful answers department, 
at least for me.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I can see I need to qualify my statement.
It works quite well without any kind of Google Speaker and for skills, I 
haven't gone looking for them as I simply use it when Siri is useless, which 
happens more than it used to.
I can ask the same question of Alexa as Siri and get a very useful answer from 
Alexa and either nothing, or useless information from Siri.
Not all the time mind you, but enough that it is nice to have both available.

Richard


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the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art,
it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how
to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life,
The Universe and Everything, p.59

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa
app for iPhone

Hi Richard,

I am surprised you say it works quite well. I would say it works, but some 
things like for example looking for skills I would say could be way more 
accessible. We just received our GE Café range which has Wi-Fi connectivity and 
you can control the ovens (the model we bought has a smaller upper oven and a 
larger lower oven) via the GE Kitchen app and also via Alexa and Google Home 
with voice commands. I was trying to find the Alexa skill for this and it seems 
that Voiceover only reads the skills by virtue of it's image recognition 
because it kept saying "possible text" and then the name of the skill.
In any case, GE has it's own voice control called 

Re: iOS History: Were You There At The Beginning?

[Shelly Brisbin]

Grr. I made a little typo in my email address, which would make it kind of 
hard for you to get in touch with me. My apologies. Please send to:

she...@shellyspodcast.com

Just to l's. 

Thanks,
-shelly

On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 2:49:02 PM UTC-5, Shelly Brisbin wrote:
>
> Hello!
> Some of you know me. Some of you don’t. I’ve written six editions of the 
> book, iOS Access for All, and a seventh will probably happen sometime this 
> fall. And I make a bunch of podcasts. But I’m working on something else. 
> And I could use your help.
>
> June 19 marks the 10th anniversary of an accessible iOS. It’s the day the 
> iPhone 3GS shipped in the US. To commemorate that milestone, I’m producing 
> an audio project, to be released on June 19, 2019. I’ve interviewed lots of 
> people who were around at the time the iPhone got VoiceOver, and I’m 
> looking to talk with a couple more. I want to record short audio interviews 
> this week. If you’re interested, and one of the descriptions below fits 
> you, please drop me an email at the address below. Again, I really need to 
> do these this week. Here’s who I’m looking for:
>
> –people who have used iPhone or iPad in school or college, particularly if 
> you can talk about how that experience was different from your pre-iOS 
> accessibility experiences in education. 
>
> – women and people of color, especially if you were interested in, or 
> purchased an iPhone/iPod Touch when it first became accessible in 2009, but 
> also if you have a good iOS story to tell, but weren’t in that early wave.
>
> – iOS developers
>
> – people who use iOS accessibility tools other than VoiceOver
>
> – any former Apple folks who can talk about what it was like to work on 
> accessibility there.
>
> If you fit one of these categories, please get in touch privately. I’ll 
> talk with as many people as I can, given short time. And either way, watch 
> for the program on June 19. I’ll send a link along to the list.
>
>
> Thanks to all,
>
> -shelly Brisbin
> she...@shelllyspodcast.com
>

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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Mich Verrier]

Hi I agree with this like you we don't have uber or lift in my town eather. I 
use my eye phone to make phone calls but not as much as my land line yes I 
still have one of those lol and do other things like using be my eyes and 
stuff. From Mich. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't 
>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, 
>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by 
>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the 
>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and 
>> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're 
>> 

iOS History: Were You There At The Beginning?

[Shelly Brisbin]

Hello!
Some of you know me. Some of you don’t. I’ve written six editions of the 
book, iOS Access for All, and a seventh will probably happen sometime this 
fall. And I make a bunch of podcasts. But I’m working on something else. 
And I could use your help.

June 19 marks the 10th anniversary of an accessible iOS. It’s the day the 
iPhone 3GS shipped in the US. To commemorate that milestone, I’m producing 
an audio project, to be released on June 19, 2019. I’ve interviewed lots of 
people who were around at the time the iPhone got VoiceOver, and I’m 
looking to talk with a couple more. I want to record short audio interviews 
this week. If you’re interested, and one of the descriptions below fits 
you, please drop me an email at the address below. Again, I really need to 
do these this week. Here’s who I’m looking for:

–people who have used iPhone or iPad in school or college, particularly if 
you can talk about how that experience was different from your pre-iOS 
accessibility experiences in education. 

– women and people of color, especially if you were interested in, or 
purchased an iPhone/iPod Touch when it first became accessible in 2009, but 
also if you have a good iOS story to tell, but weren’t in that early wave.

– iOS developers

– people who use iOS accessibility tools other than VoiceOver

– any former Apple folks who can talk about what it was like to work on 
accessibility there.

If you fit one of these categories, please get in touch privately. I’ll 
talk with as many people as I can, given short time. And either way, watch 
for the program on June 19. I’ll send a link along to the list.


Thanks to all,

-shelly Brisbin
she...@shelllyspodcast.com

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RE: Phone choices.

[Carolyn Arnold]

That is a relief. Since there are still wrungs on the phone ladder that I am 
climbing. I have been slow but thorough - not generally in my nature. But, 
because of that, whatever I do on my phone works like a charm! 

I suppose that has nthing to do with whether or not I replace my phone. It does 
make me feel like I can loosen my belt from what you have said. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone choices.

" There are new iPhones coming out next year"... actually, there will be new 
iPhones coming out in September which is a little more than 3 months away.
Carolyn, if your SE is in good shape there is no reason at all why you couldn't 
get another year out of it. We will possibly find out in the next couple of 
weeks whether iOS 13 will be on the iPhone 6S/6S Plus/SE, I think there is a 
chance it will be, but Apple's world wide developer conference is usually in 
early June and they may announce it then. But even if iOS 12 is the last iOS 
version for the SE that doesn't mean you can't use it for another year or even 
2. From what I read regarding your iPhone usage you would be just fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone choices.

I am getting an iPhone 8 because it does have the home button.  The 8 really 
isn't that old it only came out in 2017.  There are new iPhones coming out next 
year.  I intend to have my 8 for several years in spite of it being a couple 
years old.

On 5/26/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> I have the 8 plus for work and it is a great phone.  Granted, the 8 
> series is now several years old and who knows what Apple plans to do 
> long term as far as iOS versions that will run on it.
> Usually you can be sure to get 5 to 6 years from whichever iOS is 
> current when the phone came out.
>
> The iPhone XR looks to be a very good phone and being the most recent 
> would get you the longest life, though doubtless a new phone will come 
> out this fall.
>
> That being said, the X series has no home button, so you will need to 
> get used to the gestures for getting to the home screen, app switcher, 
> Control Center and notifications.
> I'd recommend finding one to try before hand to get some practice with 
> that gesture.  Some people find them very difficult, while, I found 
> them to be pretty easy after a few tries.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
> The Universe and Everything, p.59
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone choices.
>
> I want to hear yall's opinions.
>
> I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been with my 
> phone carrier for two years in November. I am thinking that is a good 
> time to replace my iPhone. I just wonder which would be to my best 
> advantage - an Eight (not Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a 
> lot will depend on how much phone is sold for how much money. The 
> thing is that I thought I'd have another year out of my SE, but understand 
> that it is not going to have 13.
> The eight sounds like such a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but 
> two or three years, I don't want to get it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
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RE: Phone choices.

[Carolyn Arnold]

>From what I read on the Verizon web sight, the eight is a wonderful phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone choices.

I am getting an iPhone 8 because it does have the home button.  The 8 really 
isn't that old it only came out in 2017.  There are new iPhones coming out next 
year.  I intend to have my 8 for several years in spite of it being a couple 
years old.

On 5/26/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> I have the 8 plus for work and it is a great phone.  Granted, the 8 
> series is now several years old and who knows what Apple plans to do 
> long term as far as iOS versions that will run on it.
> Usually you can be sure to get 5 to 6 years from whichever iOS is 
> current when the phone came out.
>
> The iPhone XR looks to be a very good phone and being the most recent 
> would get you the longest life, though doubtless a new phone will come 
> out this fall.
>
> That being said, the X series has no home button, so you will need to 
> get used to the gestures for getting to the home screen, app switcher, 
> Control Center and notifications.
> I'd recommend finding one to try before hand to get some practice with 
> that gesture.  Some people find them very difficult, while, I found 
> them to be pretty easy after a few tries.
>
> Richard
>
>
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
> The Universe and Everything, p.59
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone choices.
>
> I want to hear yall's opinions.
>
> I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been with my 
> phone carrier for two years in November. I am thinking that is a good 
> time to replace my iPhone. I just wonder which would be to my best 
> advantage - an Eight (not Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a 
> lot will depend on how much phone is sold for how much money. The 
> thing is that I thought I'd have another year out of my SE, but understand 
> that it is not going to have 13.
> The eight sounds like such a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but 
> two or three years, I don't want to get it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Carolyn Arnold]

Go, Josh, go with that guitar. 

Probably you eventually would like getting BARD on your phone. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone, I won't 
be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I use to make phone 
calls and some other things.  It is because of apps like seeing AI that first 
made me want to switch from a flip phone to the iPhone.  However, my iPhone 
isn't going to be some major device that changed my life.  I'd say something 
that truly changed my life is my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much 
in my ability to play the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  
As for reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are 
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If I picked 
up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
> know about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
>> Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
>> Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
>> using braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
>> > iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and 
>> > excited about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I 
>> > remember getting an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the 
>> > iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
>> > came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel 
>> > anymore. Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty 
>> > implementation of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, 
>> > I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack 
>> > isn't even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you 
>> > have to get it from the play store. No Android user can justify 
>> > this, except to say that some users don't need braille and its 
>> > somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
>> > accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
>> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can 
>> > be not even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not 
>> > enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d service 
>> > disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one you're 
>> > assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many small 
>> > parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
>> > Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols 
>> > in braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, 
>> > but my goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying 
>> > Apple doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't 
>> > give a crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, 
>> > but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still 
>> > care about their blind users, and braille users in particular, by 
>> > fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if the 
>> > user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and 
>> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're 
>> > not working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the 
>> > user 

RE: Phone choices.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I realize that about the XR, watched the Hadley video on X gestures, took my 
phone, turned it sideways, so I'd get the feel or a wider phone, although, of 
course, it wouldn't be that wide. As he gave the gestures, I went through with 
him. I think I could get used to that. Well, goodness, as much as we've gotten 
used to on these things, might as well get used to getting used to things. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 10:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Phone choices.

Hi Carolyn,

I have the 8 plus for work and it is a great phone.  Granted, the 8 series is 
now several years old and who knows what Apple plans to do long term as far as 
iOS versions that will run on it.
Usually you can be sure to get 5 to 6 years from whichever iOS is current when 
the phone came out.

The iPhone XR looks to be a very good phone and being the most recent would get 
you the longest life, though doubtless a new phone will come out this fall.

That being said, the X series has no home button, so you will need to get used 
to the gestures for getting to the home screen, app switcher, Control Center 
and notifications.
I'd recommend finding one to try before hand to get some practice with that 
gesture.  Some people find them very difficult, while, I found them to be 
pretty easy after a few tries.

Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the 
Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or 
rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at 
the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, 
p.59

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Phone choices.

I want to hear yall's opinions. 

I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been with my phone 
carrier for two years in November. I am thinking that is a good time to replace 
my iPhone. I just wonder which would be to my best advantage - an Eight (not 
Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a lot will depend on how much phone is 
sold for how much money. The thing is that I thought I'd have another year out 
of my SE, but understand that it is not going to have 13. The eight sounds like 
such a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but two or three years, I don't want 
to get it. 

Best regards,

Carolyn

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

My journey started when I was in third grade when one of the staff members gave 
me an iPad. Now it’s old since it’s stuck on iOS 9. 
After that, around 2014 I got my own personal iPad Mini 2 which had to be 
replaced due to a FaceTime defect in 2015. Then I think in 2017 my iPad got 
stuck in a boot loop, I thought it was dead. I got an iPod touch 6th gen and 
managed to revive my iPad through find my iPhone. That same year at Christmas I 
got my beloved iPhone X. 
My favorite and helpful apps are: Bard Mobile, VDR, and Seeing AI

Want to join my WhatsApp group, VIP Apple Users? Email me privately with your 
contact information and I will happily add you. 
maria.reye...@icloud.com

> On May 26, 2019, at 2:43 PM, Gordan Radić  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my 
> native language so it is possible i miss some points but
> 
> As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just for 
> the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't have Lift 
> in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers don't have the 
> obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they don't want to. The 
> same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is the good will of the 
> driver will he or she help you to the door or whatever. I had great 
> experiences with old cabs just as I had bad experiences with Uber. And the 
> point is, it doesn't have anything to do with using iPhone, it's just matter 
> of humanity.
> 
> And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over 
> which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to do 
> the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call it 
> lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning there 
> was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if not good 
> than atleast not correct.
> 
> 
> S poštovanjem
> 
> Gordan Radić
> 
> 26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
>> You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is 
>> that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the 
>> time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me.
>> And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist 
>> you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many 
>> of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. 
>> The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the 
>> drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to 
>> get out and about.They are also cheaper.
>> I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and 
>> a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought 
>> additional benefits.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>> 
>> Hi to you and everyone!
>> 
>> I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
>> thouhts as good as I could.
>> 
>> I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
>> us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
>> the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
>> with that and that's OK.
>> 
>> I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
>> web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
>> as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
>> You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
>> car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
>> using the cab service apps.
>> 
>> Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
>> family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
>> other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
>> be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
>> result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
>> technology for our needs.
>> 
>> Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
>> here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
>> thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
>> advancement on existing solutions.
>> 
>> 
>> S poštovanjem
>> 
>> Gordan Radić
>> 
>> 26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
>>> Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the 
>>> Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not 
>>> do as easily on the computer.
>>> The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence 
>>> that I never 

Re: addendum to the theme question

[Christopher Chaltain]

It's a shame this thread couldn't just be about everything that's good 
about the iPhone but has to be used by some to bash anything not Apple. 
I can certainly give Apple the credit it's do without bashing Microsoft, 
Google and Linux. I guess some also just don't realize that when you 
trash a product you don't choose to use yourself you're also putting 
down all of those people who didn't make the same choice you did.




On 5/26/19 1:48 PM, Devin Prater wrote:
Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille 
keyboard that is maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We 
get all these, the vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri 
voices, all free!


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan 
mailto:pau...@roadrunner.com>> wrote:


One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that 
there are so many ways of inputting information into the phone, 
sending texts or sending emails.  One can use hand writing although 
since I’m totally blind I don’t use that feature, still it’s 
available for those who might want to use it.  In adition, MBraille 
and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the onscreen keyboard 
and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all available.  
It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these methods.


God bless!

Paula and Garçon

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How to Lock Apps On Any iPhone

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

Hi,
Daily, I get articles like this one I'll share below.
However, before I can do it, I'd like to know: Mark, can I post these 
articles here? Will it help somehow?



Whether you want to protect your app settings or stop the kids from 
seeing something they shouldn't, this guide explains how to lock apps on 
any iPhone.



 How to Lock First-Party Apps on iOS

iOS doesn't have a system-level feature that allows the locking of apps 
individually so, at the moment, the number of apps you can individually 
lock remains limited. However, there are a number of workarounds and 
fixes you can use, and while some of these don't directly lock 
individual apps, they produce much the same effect.



   INSTRUCTIONS FOR IOS 12 AND ABOVE

1. Tap Settings.
2. Tap Screen Time
3. Select Content & Privacy Restrictions
4. Tap Allowed Apps.
5. Toggle all the green switches to OFF for apps you don't want to use.
6. Tap the Back button or swipe up to go to the Home screen.


   INSTRUCTIONS FOR IOS 11 AND BELOW

One simple app lock method that works for all iPhones — but works only 
with first-party Apple apps – involves the use of Restrictions. A 
first-party app is an app that Apple creates (as opposed from another 
software maker):
Go to Settings > General. Then scroll down and tap Restrictions > Enable 
Restrictions.
Once prompted, enter a new Passcode and then enter again to confirm. 
Note it down and store away if need be.
Having enabled restrictions and entered a new Passcode, you'll then be 
presented with a variety of options. Firstly, under 
the ALLOW subheading, you'll have the option of disallowing a range of 
first-party apps, such as Safari, Siri, and FaceTime. This doesn't 
include apps you've downloaded (see below), but by swiping the green 
toggle icon to the off position, you'll be able to stop any disallowed 
apps from appearing on your Home screen. In other words, this isn't an 
app lock method so much as a temporary app removal method, since apps 
you 'lock' in this way won't be accessible even to you until you 
re-allow them.
By scrolling to the ALLOWED CONTENT subheading, you can also set 
parental controls on the type of content/media someone can view on your 
phone. In addition, you can use the PRIVACY subheading to prevent 
changes from being made to your various privacy settings, and use 
the ALLOW CHANGES subheading to freeze a range of miscellaneous options, 
such as your Volume Limit.



 Set Time Limits for Apps

You can also set time limits for your apps, which is kind of like 
locking apps away from your own use.

Go to Settings > Screen Time > App Limits > Add Limit.
Once you see the list of apps, you'll get to make a decision on which to 
restrict access.
Tap the checkbox button to the left of the app category (like Social 
Networking) you want to restrict.
Choose a time limit for use of that app category (eg, 1 hour). You can 
also customize the days you want this restriction in place. Tap the Add 
button to save the settings.



 Password App Lock: How to Lock Apps on iPhone Using Guided Access

Guided Access is something of a 'nuclear' app lock option, in that it 
effectively prevents you from leaving the app you're currently using. 
Still, it could come in handy if your child wants to use a particular 
app on your phone, but you're worried that she or he might venture 
elsewhere.


1. Go to Settings on the iPhone Home screen
2. Tap General
3. Tap Accessibility
4. Scroll down and tap Guided Access
5. Swipe the Guided Access toggle button in the green On position
6. Tap Passcode Settings and then Set Guided Access Passcode.
7. Enter a new Passcode and then enter it again to confirm. You can
   also enable Face ID on this screen.

Once you've enabled Guided Access and set your Passcode, you can then 
use the feature by opening any app and pressing the Home button three 
times once the app has started.

Note: iPhone X users will have to press the Side button three times.
Doing this will bring up the Guided Access start screen, which allows 
you to draw a circle around the areas of the screen you wish to disable 
(you can set it to cover the entire screen or none of it). 
Alternatively, you can click the Options button in the bottom-right 
corner of the screen, which can be used to disable everything from the 
Volume Buttons to the touchscreen, and to set a time limit on the Guided 
Access session (up to 24 hours).
And finally, if you own a Touch ID-enabled iPhone, you can use Touch ID 
to end a Guided Access session, instead of a passcode. To enable this, 
you need simply follow steps 1-5 above, but then at step 6, after 
tapping Passcode Settings, you toggle Touch ID into the On position.



 App Lock Fingerprint: How to Use Touch ID to Lock Compatible Apps
 (on iPhone 5S to iPhone 8)

And speaking of Touch ID, it's possible to lock a limited number of 
compatible apps using the fingerprint-based security feature (which is 
available on the iPhone 5S through 

Re: addendum to the theme question

[Devin Prater]

Gosh yes! And Android users have to pay like $12 for a braille keyboard that is 
maintained and kept up to date... for now... lol. We get all these, the 
vocalizer voices, and Apple's *high quality* Siri voices, all free!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2019, at 1:45 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan  
> wrote:
> 
> One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there are 
> so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or 
> sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I 
> don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use 
> it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation, the 
> onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are all 
> available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of these 
> methods.
> God bless!
> Paula and Garçon
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addendum to the theme question

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

One thing I completely forgot to mention in my earlier post is that there
are so many ways of inputting information into the phone, sending texts or
sending emails.  One can use hand writing although since I’m totally blind I
don’t use that feature, still it’s available for those who might want to use
it.  In adition, MBraille and the native Braille screen input, dictation,
the onscreen keyboard and using a separate Braille or quarty keyboard are
all available.  It’s so very cool that apple provides options for all of
these methods. 

God bless!

Paula and Garçon 

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi!

Well, guess we don't understand each other quite well. English is not my 
native language so it is possible i miss some points but


As far as I know, Uber and Lift are general apps for everyone, not just 
for the blind and using those services is meant for everyone. We don't 
have Lift in this area but we have Uber and Bolt and, their drivers 
don't have the obligation to help people with disabilitties unles they 
don't want to. The same goes for the old fashioned cab services. It is 
the good will of the driver will he or she help you to the door or 
whatever. I had great experiences with old cabs just as I had bad 
experiences with Uber. And the point is, it doesn't have anything to do 
with using iPhone, it's just matter of humanity.


And to conclude, thetruth is Apple enabled me to use iOS with Voice Over 
which again enabled me to use native and 3rd party apps but I managed to 
do the things I do on iPhone today long before iPhone and I can't call 
it lifechanger. And this whole topic is sounding like "in the begginning 
there was dark... And Apple says let there be Voice Over" which is, if 
not good than atleast not correct.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:49, Marie N. je napisao/la:
You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my 
Eyes is that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted 
person has the time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this 
is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to 
assist you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here 
where I live many of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are 
not clean and so on. The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean 
and comfortable, and the drivers are great, very helpful and friendly 
so I am much more inclined to get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the 
computer and a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the 
IPhone has brought additional benefits.


-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user 
of the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone 
which I can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an 
independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I 
now go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. 
totally on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more 
having to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two 
in advance with a para transit service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near 
a computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get 
with a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes 
problems with the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are 
not sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about 
what bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the 
computer but I do love the portability of 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi!

I'm very disappointed to hear that.

Not knowing Braille for the blind is the same as not knowing alphabet 
for sighted. I admit, I don't read Braille. I know it but I'm slow since 
I used black rint untill I was 30 or something but I'm able to use it, 
write in it and read it if necessary.


But, that's why i see very odd spelling from time to time, especially in 
the English Language lists and sites.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 17:06, Anthony Vece je napisao/la:

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to 
know about it.

They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.

God bless Anthony

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On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater > wrote:


Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
important skill dead?


Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Anthony Vece mailto:ajv...@gmail.com>>

*Sent:* Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or 
Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are 
using braille for today.

I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

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> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater > wrote:

>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first 
iPod. I was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited 
about all that the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting 
an iTunes gift card, and buying books from the iBooks store, and 
actually read one during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 
came out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. 
Just like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation 
of what Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that 
Pixel back to Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.

>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille 
support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't 
even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to 
get it from the play store. No Android user can justify this, except 
to say that some users don't need braille and its somehow good that 
Google not "clutter" up their phone with accessibility, lol. Linux 
has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but like everything else 
regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your 
distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or 
have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set 
up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is 
made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of 
them working nicely together.

>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. 
Its not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in 
braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my 
goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple 
doesn't have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't give a 
crap, and Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 
13 will be a great time for Apple to show that they still care about 
their blind users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs 
and adding features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like 
italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, or allowing 
the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, 
should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get 
unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to 
Apple by me.

>
> So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is 
ruggid and reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & 
interesting, but can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and 
hard to wield, and easy to break. Android is easily customized, but 
its looseness also allows in malware. Chromebook doesn't really do 
much, but that's great for education, and ironically, its braille 
support is what Android should have, when you plug in a braille 
display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not already on, and 
drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for some 
reason, it doesn't show formatting!

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, 

RE: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree with Mary, but it is little surprise that Google probably delivers the 
best answers to the most questions given that their business is entirely 
information and they do, after all, have probably the best and most integrated 
access to Google as a search engine. It is truly amazing how accurately and to 
the point I can ask my Google Home Mini for the phone number of a business and 
get exactly the correct answer or even better, how I can simply ask it to call 
said business. When it comes to calls the call quality of the Google Home Mini 
beats that of my Alexa speakers handsdown and both are on very high-speed and 
low-latency fiber networks. I love Alexa for the access to Audible, but for 
almost everything else we use our Google Home Mini speakers.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app 
for iPhone

Hi richard,
Your experience is very interesting. I freely admit that I often get not very 
helpful responses from Siri. But if anything, Alexa is worse. I have an echo 
device, and it’s so bad at giving me general answers to questions I ask that 
I’ve pretty much given up using it except for weather forecast, some news, 
timers, etc. Google assistant wins hands-down in the USful answers department, 
at least for me.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I can see I need to qualify my statement.
> It works quite well without any kind of Google Speaker and for skills, I 
> haven't gone looking for them as I simply use it when Siri is useless, which 
> happens more than it used to.
> I can ask the same question of Alexa as Siri and get a very useful answer 
> from Alexa and either nothing, or useless information from Siri.
> Not all the time mind you, but enough that it is nice to have both available.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
> The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa 
> app for iPhone
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I am surprised you say it works quite well. I would say it works, but some 
> things like for example looking for skills I would say could be way more 
> accessible. We just received our GE Café range which has Wi-Fi connectivity 
> and you can control the ovens (the model we bought has a smaller upper oven 
> and a larger lower oven) via the GE Kitchen app and also via Alexa and Google 
> Home with voice commands. I was trying to find the Alexa skill for this and 
> it seems that Voiceover only reads the skills by virtue of it's image 
> recognition because it kept saying "possible text" and then the name of the 
> skill.
> In any case, GE has it's own voice control called "Geneva" and when I Googled 
> how to set this up I found instructions about how to set it up for the Google 
> Assistant and it was a breeze, in fact, there was a button on the website 
> where it said I could send it to a device, one of the device groups was iOS 
> and by some sort of magic when I selected this a notification popped up on my 
> iPhone to add it to Google Assistant. When I tapped it the Google Assistant 
> app opened and it was super easy from there. I still haven't figured out how 
> to set it u p in Alexa, if I search for "Geneva" I am told it found no such 
> skill.
> Anyways, I can now ask our Google Home Mini that I want to "Talk to Geneva 
> Home", then after a second the Geneva voice kicks in and asks me what I want 
> to do. I can ask it, for example, to preheat the upper oven to 350 Fahrenheit 
> and it does so without fuss. The Ge Kitchen app is also accessible although 
> it also could use definite improvements, now that I am getting used to it 
> it's fairly easy, but for one thing it often reads stuff that visually is not 
> at all present on the screen and tapping on these things does nothing so it's 
> good to have some sighted assistance at first until you know what is there 
> and what is not. I certainly plan to write to GE and ask them to make this 
> more accessible, the app itself gets quite poor ratings on the app store 
> although for the most part it seems to do what it advertises. In any case, I 
> can control the oven with either the app or with voice control and that is 
> what is important to me since the only other way is by touch screen, the 
> cooktop has traditional stainless steel knobs and the main challenge here is 
> to figure out 

Re: WiFi calling

[Christopher Chaltain]

I use wifi calling when I visit my mother in North Carolina. She doesn't 
have cell service at her house, but she does have wifi. I find it works 
just great, and I can use my phone at her house to text and make and 
receive calls just as if I had a cell connection.



On 5/26/19 11:52 AM, Marie N. wrote:
I have a fairly poor cell signal in my home and too often have calls 
dropped. I have Verizon and outside my little neighborhood the 
coverage is excellent. I would like some opinions about using WiFi 
calling to improve this. I admit that I know little about the feature 
so any help will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Mary Otten]

Hi richard,
Your experience is very interesting. I freely admit that I often get not very 
helpful responses from Siri. But if anything, Alexa is worse. I have an echo 
device, and it’s so bad at giving me general answers to questions I ask that 
I’ve pretty much given up using it except for weather forecast, some news, 
timers, etc. Google assistant wins hands-down in the USful answers department, 
at least for me.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2019, at 9:35 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I can see I need to qualify my statement.
> It works quite well without any kind of Google Speaker and for skills, I 
> haven't gone looking for them as I simply use it when Siri is useless, which 
> happens more than it used to.
> I can ask the same question of Alexa as Siri and get a very useful answer 
> from Alexa and either nothing, or useless information from Siri.
> Not all the time mind you, but enough that it is nice to have both available.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:26 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for 
> iPhone
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> I am surprised you say it works quite well. I would say it works, but some 
> things like for example looking for skills I would say could be way more 
> accessible. We just received our GE Café range which has Wi-Fi connectivity 
> and you can control the ovens (the model we bought has a smaller upper oven 
> and a larger lower oven) via the GE Kitchen app and also via Alexa and Google 
> Home with voice commands. I was trying to find the Alexa skill for this and 
> it seems that Voiceover only reads the skills by virtue of it's image 
> recognition because it kept saying "possible text" and then the name of the 
> skill.
> In any case, GE has it's own voice control called "Geneva" and when I Googled 
> how to set this up I found instructions about how to set it up for the Google 
> Assistant and it was a breeze, in fact, there was a button on the website 
> where it said I could send it to a device, one of the device groups was iOS 
> and by some sort of magic when I selected this a notification popped up on my 
> iPhone to add it to Google Assistant. When I tapped it the Google Assistant 
> app opened and it was super easy from there. I still haven't figured out how 
> to set it u p in Alexa, if I search for "Geneva" I am told it found no such 
> skill.
> Anyways, I can now ask our Google Home Mini that I want to "Talk to Geneva 
> Home", then after a second the Geneva voice kicks in and asks me what I want 
> to do. I can ask it, for example, to preheat the upper oven to 350 Fahrenheit 
> and it does so without fuss. The Ge Kitchen app is also accessible although 
> it also could use definite improvements, now that I am getting used to it 
> it's fairly easy, but for one thing it often reads stuff that visually is not 
> at all present on the screen and tapping on these things does nothing so it's 
> good to have some sighted assistance at first until you know what is there 
> and what is not. I certainly plan to write to GE and ask them to make this 
> more accessible, the app itself gets quite poor ratings on the app store 
> although for the most part it seems to do what it advertises. In any case, I 
> can control the oven with either the app or with voice control and that is 
> what is important to me since the only other way is by touch screen, the 
> cooktop has traditional stainless steel knobs and the main challenge here is 
> to figure out where exactly to place your pot or frying pan or whatever since 
> this is an induction cook top which is perfectly smooth and the cooktop 
> itself does not get warm so you can't even turn it on a bit and feel where 
> it's getting warm to line up the pot. The advantage of course is also that 
> it's super efficient, actually amazing how fast it boils a pot with say 2 
> litres of water which takes about half the time than on a traditional 
> electric range and it's even 30% or 40% faster than a gas range.
> Also, once you remove a pot with, for example, boiling water, the cooktop is 
> of course hot from having the hot pot sitting on it, but it's actually not so 
> hot where you would burn yourself if you just touched it briefly unlike on a 
> traditional cooktop element or even a smooth top range which when it's hot 
> would burn you instantly. This also means should something boil over it is 
> much less likely to get burned onto the cooktop itself. So far we really love 
> this new investment.
> 

RE: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Richard Turner]

I can see I need to qualify my statement.
It works quite well without any kind of Google Speaker and for skills, I 
haven't gone looking for them as I simply use it when Siri is useless, which 
happens more than it used to.
I can ask the same question of Alexa as Siri and get a very useful answer from 
Alexa and either nothing, or useless information from Siri.
Not all the time mind you, but enough that it is nice to have both available.

Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for 
iPhone

Hi Richard,

I am surprised you say it works quite well. I would say it works, but some 
things like for example looking for skills I would say could be way more 
accessible. We just received our GE Café range which has Wi-Fi connectivity and 
you can control the ovens (the model we bought has a smaller upper oven and a 
larger lower oven) via the GE Kitchen app and also via Alexa and Google Home 
with voice commands. I was trying to find the Alexa skill for this and it seems 
that Voiceover only reads the skills by virtue of it's image recognition 
because it kept saying "possible text" and then the name of the skill.
In any case, GE has it's own voice control called "Geneva" and when I Googled 
how to set this up I found instructions about how to set it up for the Google 
Assistant and it was a breeze, in fact, there was a button on the website where 
it said I could send it to a device, one of the device groups was iOS and by 
some sort of magic when I selected this a notification popped up on my iPhone 
to add it to Google Assistant. When I tapped it the Google Assistant app opened 
and it was super easy from there. I still haven't figured out how to set it u p 
in Alexa, if I search for "Geneva" I am told it found no such skill.
Anyways, I can now ask our Google Home Mini that I want to "Talk to Geneva 
Home", then after a second the Geneva voice kicks in and asks me what I want to 
do. I can ask it, for example, to preheat the upper oven to 350 Fahrenheit and 
it does so without fuss. The Ge Kitchen app is also accessible although it also 
could use definite improvements, now that I am getting used to it it's fairly 
easy, but for one thing it often reads stuff that visually is not at all 
present on the screen and tapping on these things does nothing so it's good to 
have some sighted assistance at first until you know what is there and what is 
not. I certainly plan to write to GE and ask them to make this more accessible, 
the app itself gets quite poor ratings on the app store although for the most 
part it seems to do what it advertises. In any case, I can control the oven 
with either the app or with voice control and that is what is important to me 
since the only other way is by touch screen, the cooktop has traditional 
stainless steel knobs and the main challenge here is to figure out where 
exactly to place your pot or frying pan or whatever since this is an induction 
cook top which is perfectly smooth and the cooktop itself does not get warm so 
you can't even turn it on a bit and feel where it's getting warm to line up the 
pot. The advantage of course is also that it's super efficient, actually 
amazing how fast it boils a pot with say 2 litres of water which takes about 
half the time than on a traditional electric range and it's even 30% or 40% 
faster than a gas range.
Also, once you remove a pot with, for example, boiling water, the cooktop is of 
course hot from having the hot pot sitting on it, but it's actually not so hot 
where you would burn yourself if you just touched it briefly unlike on a 
traditional cooktop element or even a smooth top range which when it's hot 
would burn you instantly. This also means should something boil over it is much 
less likely to get burned onto the cooktop itself. So far we really love this 
new investment.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Alexa app for iPhone

Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
Richard


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Re: Alexa app for iPhone

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm pretty sure the Google Homes now support bluetooth.


On 5/26/19 11:27 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

If you mean speakers I would suggest you get an Echo Dot second generation, 
it's similar to a Google Home Mini except it also has a 3.5mm headphone jack as 
well as Bluetooth for connecting a headset. Works great for listening to 
Audible books. Look around when they are on sale and they are quite inexpensive.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa app for iPhone

If I was going to get one is there one that is better than the other.
Jen


On May 26, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Hi Jen,

Skills on Alexa are sort of like apps. My recommendation would be to simply 
download the app and see what you can do without an Echo speaker, it's free 
after all and I doubt many of us who use it are doing what you plan to do which 
is to use the app without a speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa app for iPhone

Is there a link and what will this app allow me to do altogether.
Also read something about skills so I ask what are they.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the questions.
Jen


On May 26, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide
to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an
art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas
Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Alexa app for iPhone

Hi,
As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the iPhone.
Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
mini.
Jen

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RE: Alexa app for iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you mean speakers I would suggest you get an Echo Dot second generation, 
it's similar to a Google Home Mini except it also has a 3.5mm headphone jack as 
well as Bluetooth for connecting a headset. Works great for listening to 
Audible books. Look around when they are on sale and they are quite inexpensive.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa app for iPhone

If I was going to get one is there one that is better than the other.
Jen

> On May 26, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jen,
> 
> Skills on Alexa are sort of like apps. My recommendation would be to simply 
> download the app and see what you can do without an Echo speaker, it's free 
> after all and I doubt many of us who use it are doing what you plan to do 
> which is to use the app without a speaker.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Alexa app for iPhone
> 
> Is there a link and what will this app allow me to do altogether.
> Also read something about skills so I ask what are they.
> Thanks in advance and sorry for the questions.
> Jen
> 
>> On May 26, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide 
>> to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an 
>> art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
>> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Alexa app for iPhone
>> 
>> Hi,
>> As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
>> from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
>> and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the 
>> iPhone.
>> Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
>> mini.
>> Jen
>> 
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Alexa accessibility and our new connected range - was: Alexa app for iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Richard,

I am surprised you say it works quite well. I would say it works, but some 
things like for example looking for skills I would say could be way more 
accessible. We just received our GE Café range which has Wi-Fi connectivity and 
you can control the ovens (the model we bought has a smaller upper oven and a 
larger lower oven) via the GE Kitchen app and also via Alexa and Google Home 
with voice commands. I was trying to find the Alexa skill for this and it seems 
that Voiceover only reads the skills by virtue of it's image recognition 
because it kept saying "possible text" and then the name of the skill.
In any case, GE has it's own voice control called "Geneva" and when I Googled 
how to set this up I found instructions about how to set it up for the Google 
Assistant and it was a breeze, in fact, there was a button on the website where 
it said I could send it to a device, one of the device groups was iOS and by 
some sort of magic when I selected this a notification popped up on my iPhone 
to add it to Google Assistant. When I tapped it the Google Assistant app opened 
and it was super easy from there. I still haven't figured out how to set it u p 
in Alexa, if I search for "Geneva" I am told it found no such skill.
Anyways, I can now ask our Google Home Mini that I want to "Talk to Geneva 
Home", then after a second the Geneva voice kicks in and asks me what I want to 
do. I can ask it, for example, to preheat the upper oven to 350 Fahrenheit and 
it does so without fuss. The Ge Kitchen app is also accessible although it also 
could use definite improvements, now that I am getting used to it it's fairly 
easy, but for one thing it often reads stuff that visually is not at all 
present on the screen and tapping on these things does nothing so it's good to 
have some sighted assistance at first until you know what is there and what is 
not. I certainly plan to write to GE and ask them to make this more accessible, 
the app itself gets quite poor ratings on the app store although for the most 
part it seems to do what it advertises. In any case, I can control the oven 
with either the app or with voice control and that is what is important to me 
since the only other way is by touch screen, the cooktop has traditional 
stainless steel knobs and the main challenge here is to figure out where 
exactly to place your pot or frying pan or whatever since this is an induction 
cook top which is perfectly smooth and the cooktop itself does not get warm so 
you can't even turn it on a bit and feel where it's getting warm to line up the 
pot. The advantage of course is also that it's super efficient, actually 
amazing how fast it boils a pot with say 2 litres of water which takes about 
half the time than on a traditional electric range and it's even 30% or 40% 
faster than a gas range.
Also, once you remove a pot with, for example, boiling water, the cooktop is of 
course hot from having the hot pot sitting on it, but it's actually not so hot 
where you would burn yourself if you just touched it briefly unlike on a 
traditional cooktop element or even a smooth top range which when it's hot 
would burn you instantly. This also means should something boil over it is much 
less likely to get burned onto the cooktop itself. So far we really love this 
new investment.

Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Alexa app for iPhone

Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the 
Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or 
rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at 
the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, 
p.59

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Alexa app for iPhone

Hi,
As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the iPhone.
Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
mini.
Jen

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Re: Alexa app for iPhone

[Jen .]

If I was going to get one is there one that is better than the other.
Jen

> On May 26, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jen,
> 
> Skills on Alexa are sort of like apps. My recommendation would be to simply 
> download the app and see what you can do without an Echo speaker, it's free 
> after all and I doubt many of us who use it are doing what you plan to do 
> which is to use the app without a speaker.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Alexa app for iPhone
> 
> Is there a link and what will this app allow me to do altogether.
> Also read something about skills so I ask what are they.
> Thanks in advance and sorry for the questions.
> Jen
> 
>> On May 26, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
>> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
>> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
>> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
>> The Universe and Everything, p.59
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:37 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Alexa app for iPhone
>> 
>> Hi,
>> As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
>> from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
>> and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the 
>> iPhone.
>> Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
>> mini.
>> Jen
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RE: Alexa app for iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jen,

Skills on Alexa are sort of like apps. My recommendation would be to simply 
download the app and see what you can do without an Echo speaker, it's free 
after all and I doubt many of us who use it are doing what you plan to do which 
is to use the app without a speaker.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alexa app for iPhone

Is there a link and what will this app allow me to do altogether.
Also read something about skills so I ask what are they.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the questions.
Jen

> On May 26, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
> Richard
> 
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to 
> the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, 
> it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how 
> to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, 
> The Universe and Everything, p.59
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Alexa app for iPhone
> 
> Hi,
> As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
> from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
> and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the 
> iPhone.
> Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
> mini.
> Jen
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RE: Phone choices.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

" There are new iPhones coming out next year"... actually, there will be new 
iPhones coming out in September which is a little more than 3 months away.
Carolyn, if your SE is in good shape there is no reason at all why you couldn't 
get another year out of it. We will possibly find out in the next couple of 
weeks whether iOS 13 will be on the iPhone 6S/6S Plus/SE, I think there is a 
chance it will be, but Apple's world wide developer conference is usually in 
early June and they may announce it then. But even if iOS 12 is the last iOS 
version for the SE that doesn't mean you can't use it for another year or even 
2. From what I read regarding your iPhone usage you would be just fine.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
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Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 8:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Phone choices.

I am getting an iPhone 8 because it does have the home button.  The 8 really 
isn't that old it only came out in 2017.  There are new iPhones coming out next 
year.  I intend to have my 8 for several years in spite of it being a couple 
years old.

On 5/26/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> I have the 8 plus for work and it is a great phone.  Granted, the 8 
> series is now several years old and who knows what Apple plans to do 
> long term as far as iOS versions that will run on it.
> Usually you can be sure to get 5 to 6 years from whichever iOS is 
> current when the phone came out.
>
> The iPhone XR looks to be a very good phone and being the most recent 
> would get you the longest life, though doubtless a new phone will come 
> out this fall.
>
> That being said, the X series has no home button, so you will need to 
> get used to the gestures for getting to the home screen, app switcher, 
> Control Center and notifications.
> I'd recommend finding one to try before hand to get some practice with 
> that gesture.  Some people find them very difficult, while, I found 
> them to be pretty easy after a few tries.
>
> Richard
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:04 AM
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> Subject: Phone choices.
>
> I want to hear yall's opinions.
>
> I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been with my 
> phone carrier for two years in November. I am thinking that is a good 
> time to replace my iPhone. I just wonder which would be to my best 
> advantage - an Eight (not Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a 
> lot will depend on how much phone is sold for how much money. The 
> thing is that I thought I'd have another year out of my SE, but understand 
> that it is not going to have 13.
> The eight sounds like such a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but 
> two or three years, I don't want to get it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
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Re: Alexa app for iPhone

[Jen .]

Is there a link and what will this app allow me to do altogether.
Also read something about skills so I ask what are they.
Thanks in advance and sorry for the questions.
Jen

> On May 26, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
> Richard
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Alexa app for iPhone
> 
> Hi,
> As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
> from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
> and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the 
> iPhone.
> Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
> mini.
> Jen
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Re: Phone choices.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I am getting an iPhone 8 because it does have the home button.  The 8
really isn't that old it only came out in 2017.  There are new iPhones
coming out next year.  I intend to have my 8 for several years in
spite of it being a couple years old.

On 5/26/19, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Hi Carolyn,
>
> I have the 8 plus for work and it is a great phone.  Granted, the 8 series
> is now several years old and who knows what Apple plans to do long term as
> far as iOS versions that will run on it.
> Usually you can be sure to get 5 to 6 years from whichever iOS is current
> when the phone came out.
>
> The iPhone XR looks to be a very good phone and being the most recent would
> get you the longest life, though doubtless a new phone will come out this
> fall.
>
> That being said, the X series has no home button, so you will need to get
> used to the gestures for getting to the home screen, app switcher, Control
> Center and notifications.
> I'd recommend finding one to try before hand to get some practice with that
> gesture.  Some people find them very difficult, while, I found them to be
> pretty easy after a few tries.
>
> Richard
>
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Carolyn Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 7:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Phone choices.
>
> I want to hear yall's opinions.
>
> I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been with my phone
> carrier for two years in November. I am thinking that is a good time to
> replace my iPhone. I just wonder which would be to my best advantage - an
> Eight (not Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a lot will depend on how
> much phone is sold for how much money. The thing is that I thought I'd have
> another year out of my SE, but understand that it is not going to have 13.
> The eight sounds like such a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but two or
> three years, I don't want to get it.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Marie N.]

You missed some of my points. The good thing about apps like Be my Eyes is 
that you can use them when you want and not when a sighted person has the 
time to help. I live alone and am totally blind so this is important to me.
And yes I can call a taxi whenever I wish but they are not going to assist 
you to the door of the restaurant or hair salon, etc. Here where I live many 
of the drivers are not exactly friendly the cars are not clean and so on. 
The Uber and Lyft cars I have been in are clean and comfortable, and the 
drivers are great, very helpful and friendly so I am much more inclined to 
get out and about.They are also cheaper.
I am not for one minute refuting the wonderful things that the computer and 
a good screen reader have brought to my life, but the IPhone has brought 
additional benefits.


-Original Message- 
From: Gordan Radić

Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my
thouhts as good as I could.

I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started
with that and that's OK.

I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well,
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones.
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now
using the cab service apps.

Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern
technology for our needs.

Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the
advancement on existing solutions.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of the 
Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I can not 
do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an independence 
that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now go out to lunch 
or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally on my own and can do 
these on the spur of the moment. No more having to ask friends or family 
or to make arrangements a day or two in advance with a para transit 
service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with a 
sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with the 
computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about what 
bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the computer 
but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to have both it 
and my PC.

Marie

-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?


Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt
and I can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS
with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault,
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know
when 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Lift and Uber isn't available in my area, so when I get my new iPhone,
I won't be using those apps.  My iPhone is going to be a tool that I
use to make phone calls and some other things.  It is because of apps
like seeing AI that first made me want to switch from a flip phone to
the iPhone.  However, my iPhone isn't going to be some major device
that changed my life.  I'd say something that truly changed my life is
my martin D18 guitar.  I have improved very much in my ability to play
the guitar now that I have such a very fine instrument.  As for
reading braille, I don't read much braille since so many books are
available in audio format.  However, I can read braille just fine.  If
I picked up a braille book, I'd have no trouble reading it.

On 5/26/19, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> There are all types of people out there.
> People who are ignorant.
> I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know
> about it.
> They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
> I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I
> thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
> God bless Anthony
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>
>> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an
>> important skill dead?
>>
>> Devin Prater
>> Assistive Technology Instructor
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their
>> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>>
>> Hi Devon;
>> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using
>> braille for today.
>> I never want to see braille as a loss start.
>> Keep it up.
>> God bless
>> Anthony
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!
>>
>> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I
>> > was in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all
>> > that the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes
>> > gift card, and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one
>> > during a weekend at my Aunt's house.
>> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came
>> > out, because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just
>> > like with Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what
>> > Google calls "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to
>> > Verizon, and got the iPhone 7.
>> >
>> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille
>> > support. You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't
>> > even *included* in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get
>> > it from the play store. No Android user can justify this, except to say
>> > that some users don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not
>> > "clutter" up their phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good
>> > enough braille system, I suppose, but like everything else regarding
>> > accessibility, it can be not even packaged for your distribution of
>> > choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have its system-d
>> > service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the one
>> > you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many
>> > small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely
>> > together.
>> >
>> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its
>> > not perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in
>> > braille, and sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my
>> > goodness for the most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't
>> > have to keep improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and
>> > Microsoft is still fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a
>> > great time for Apple to show that they still care about their blind
>> > users, and braille users in particular, by fixing bugs and adding
>> > features, like showing formatting if the user wants, like italics, bold,
>> > and such when reading books and articles, or allowing the user to set up
>> > cells which, if they're not working anymore, should be skipped in
>> > showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable information.
>> > Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
>> >
>> > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid
>> > and reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting,
>> > but can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield,
>> > and easy to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also
>> > allows in malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great
>> > for education, and 

RE: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Or you can simply open that person’s contact, flick down to Facetime and then 
select either “”Video” or “Facetime Audio Call”.
Of course they must also use an iPhone and have Facetime enabled.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

Hi Arlene, it’s really easy.

If the person, is in your contacts, then all you have to do, is just ask siri, 
to make a facetime audio call to that person, and if you wish to make a video 
call, then just ask siri the same, but leave out the audio call part.

Dave.


From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

Richard, voice dream reader is really great, but it was disappointing yesterday 
when we were trying to scan a new credit card.

We made a face time call to a friend about 7 or 8 months ago and it was easy to 
do, but we can't figure out how to just make a call to just one person with 
face time. We're wondering if something has changed in how to do it.
Thank you.
Arlene

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RE: Alexa app for iPhone

[Richard Turner]

Yes, the Amazon Alexa app works quite well on the iPhone.
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Hi,
As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
from the smart speakers on an iPhone to use the Amazon Music app which I did 
and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the iPhone.
Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
mini.
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Alexa app for iPhone

[Jen .]

Hi,
As suggested by someone on list they said when looking for games accessible 
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and it said to use the Alexa app so I ask is there an Alexa app for the iPhone.
Thanks as I really know nothing about this stuff since I have a Google home 
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RE: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

[Richard Turner]

Arlene,
Are you talking about Voice Dream Scanner?

I’ve had it scan a credit card fine, but I couldn’t get the 3 digit code.
It took a few tries to get the rest.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:21 AM
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Subject: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

Richard, voice dream reader is really great, but it was disappointing yesterday 
when we were trying to scan a new credit card.

We made a face time call to a friend about 7 or 8 months ago and it was easy to 
do, but we can't figure out how to just make a call to just one person with 
face time. We're wondering if something has changed in how to do it.
Thank you.
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RE: Multi-Party FaceTime Calls

[Richard Turner]

Once you have selected the first person to call, you just add the next, then 
the next, the app will take care of creating the group.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:28 AM
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Subject: Re: Multi-Party FaceTime Calls

In making a group face time call, Would you put spaces between the phone 
numbers or put a comma and space after each phone number? Thank you.

Arlene
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 5:25 AM
Subject: Re: Multi-Party FaceTime Calls

I did a web search for your question and here is the first result:
How to place a group FaceTime call using FaceTime on iPhone and iPad. Open 
FaceTime on your iPhone or iPad. Tap the + button in the upper-right corner. 
Enter the name or number of a person you want to call. Enter up to 30 
additional contacts. Tap Video or Audio to place your FaceTime call.

Richard
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The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On May 24, 2019, at 12:40 AM, 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
I have recently tried to use FaceTime to establish multi-party calls but 
haven’t had any success.  I have one fundamental question and a second, more 
general, question.

I want to set up a FaceTime with six parties (including myself) and am not sure 
if I need to create a group or list to call each party in a single fell swoop.  
Or, do I need to call each party individually; adding each to the conference 
while going on to the next party.

Then, are there any instructions anywhere to address making a multi-party 
FaceTime call?


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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Anthony Vece]

There are all types of people out there.
People who are ignorant.
I tried to train some people in braille and they didn’t even want to know about 
it.
They said they had their text-to-speech and that was all they needed.
I’ve been using braille since I was around five or six years old and I 
thoroughly enjoy it and I still use it today after 60 years.
God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an 
> important skill dead?
> 
> Devin Prater
> Assistive Technology Instructor
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
> Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their 
> Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?
>  
> Hi Devon; 
> I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using 
> braille for today. 
> I never want to see braille as a loss start. 
> Keep it up. 
> God bless 
> Anthony 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!! 
> 
> > On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater  wrote: 
> > 
> > My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was 
> > in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that 
> > the iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, 
> > and buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a 
> > weekend at my Aunt's house. 
> > Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
> > because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
> > Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
> > "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got 
> > the iPhone 7. 
> > 
> > For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. 
> > You know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* 
> > in the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play 
> > store. No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users 
> > don't need braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their 
> > phone with accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I 
> > suppose, but like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not 
> > even packaged for your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set 
> > up correctly, or have its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI 
> > group not set up with the one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, 
> > Linux is made of so many small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all 
> > of them working nicely together. 
> > 
> > iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
> > perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
> > sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the 
> > most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep 
> > improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still 
> > fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple 
> > to show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in 
> > particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if 
> > the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and 
> > articles, or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not 
> > working anymore, should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user 
> > doesn't get unreliable information. Yes, both of these have been suggested 
> > to Apple by me. 
> > 
> > So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
> > reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but 
> > can be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy 
> > to break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in 
> > malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, 
> > and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you 
> > plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not 
> > already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for 
> > some reason, it doesn't show formatting! 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi, 
> >> 
> >> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
> >> independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the 
> >> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
> >> people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
> >> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
> >> time. I have broadened my music repertoire with 

Re: Most accessible fitbit

[Christopher Chaltain]

I used the FitBit charge Hr up until recently, and the FitBit app was 
completely accessible. I think I needed a little help during set up 
since a code was displayed on the FitBit, but after that there were no 
problems whatsoever that I can recall.



It would help to know what you want to do with a FitBit since the 
different devices have different features. The Charge HR, which has been 
replaced now by a newer model., monitored your heart rate, tracked your 
sleep, counted your steps and let you know how many flights of stairs 
you climbed each day. Using the FitBit app, you could track all of this 
information. Using the app, you could also set an alarm on your FitBit. 
This was nice since I could set an alarm that would vibrate on my wrist 
in the morning and not bother my wife. You can also start and stop 
exercise tracking by holding down the button on the side until you feel 
the vibration.



On 5/26/19 9:52 AM, Jen . wrote:


Hi,

Wondering what if any is the most accessible fitbit for someone who is 
using voiceover exclusively.


I know in the past that the fitbit app isn’t the most accessible but 
not sure how it is now.  I also know that the fitbits have no 
voiceover type feature but just wondering which one would be the 
easiest for someone to use with no useable vision.


Thank You.

Jen

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Accessible games for the Apple Tv

[Jen .]

Hi,
Asking for a friend who just got an Apple TV box.  I am aware that you can 
download apps so wondering if there are any accessible games compatible with 
voiceover for the Apple Tv.
Thanks.
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Re: iPhone XR/Flashlight

[Anthony Vece]

There really is no way to delete the flashlight icon from the lock screen.
However; if you think that the flashlight is on just tell Siri to turn it off.
I don’t understand everybody’s hang up over this and want to lock screen it’ll 
say flashlight on or off just forget about it MoveOn.
God bless Anthony

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> We received our new iPhone XR’s.  Is their a way to remove the flashlight 
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Re: Games on smart speakers accessible on the iPhone

[TaraPrakash]

Some of the stuff can be tried using alexa in Amazon Music app 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2019, at 10:44 AM, Jen .  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> I am wondering if any of the games that are available on the smart speakers 
> like the Google ones and the Amazon ones are also accessible for the iPhone, 
> iPod touch and iPad.  If so, is there a list of games available. 
> Thanks. 
> Jen 
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Most accessible fitbit

[Jen .]

Hi,
Wondering what if any is the most accessible fitbit for someone who is using 
voiceover exclusively.
I know in the past that the fitbit app isn’t the most accessible but not sure 
how it is now.  I also know that the fitbits have no voiceover type feature but 
just wondering which one would be the easiest for someone to use with no 
useable vision.
Thank You.
Jen

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RE: Podcast Apps?

[Richard Turner]

I agree with Alan.
And yes, you can access past podcasts if the podcast itself makes them 
available, which all I have tried have their whole history of podcasts 
available.

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Lemly
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 6:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Podcast Apps?

Dani,

I like the Overcast app mainly because I find its user interface very easy to 
navigate and also because it lets you set a SmartSpeed setting that can save 
some time. I believe what the SmartSpeed setting does is pare out silences and 
pauses somewhat in order to speed things up but it's been a while since I've 
read about this so don't trust my explanation.

Alan Lemly

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dani pagador
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Subject: Podcast Apps?

Hi, Everyone.
I have a phone now with enough memory to be able to download podcasts.
Which podcast app would you recommend, and why? Also, is there a way to listen 
to previous podcasts?

Thanks,
Dani

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RE: Phone choices.

[Richard Turner]

Hi Carolyn,

I have the 8 plus for work and it is a great phone.  Granted, the 8 series is 
now several years old and who knows what Apple plans to do long term as far as 
iOS versions that will run on it.
Usually you can be sure to get 5 to 6 years from whichever iOS is current when 
the phone came out.

The iPhone XR looks to be a very good phone and being the most recent would get 
you the longest life, though doubtless a new phone will come out this fall.

That being said, the X series has no home button, so you will need to get used 
to the gestures for getting to the home screen, app switcher, Control Center 
and notifications.
I'd recommend finding one to try before hand to get some practice with that 
gesture.  Some people find them very difficult, while, I found them to be 
pretty easy after a few tries.

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I want to hear yall's opinions. 

I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been with my phone 
carrier for two years in November. I am thinking that is a good time to replace 
my iPhone. I just wonder which would be to my best advantage - an Eight (not 
Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a lot will depend on how much phone is 
sold for how much money. The thing is that I thought I'd have another year out 
of my SE, but understand that it is not going to have 13. The eight sounds like 
such a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but two or three years, I don't want 
to get it. 

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Games on smart speakers accessible on the iPhone

[Jen .]

Hi,
I am wondering if any of the games that are available on the smart speakers 
like the Google ones and the Amazon ones are also accessible for the iPhone, 
iPod touch and iPad.  If so, is there a list of games available.
Thanks.
Jen

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Devin Prater]

Thanks so much. Braille, to me, is reading. How can one call such an important 
skill dead?

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor


From: viphone@googlegroups.com on behalf of Anthony Vece 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 9:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related 
Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using 
braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was 
> in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the 
> iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and 
> buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at 
> my Aunt's house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
> because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
> Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
> "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got 
> the iPhone 7.
>
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You 
> know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in 
> the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. 
> No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need 
> braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but 
> like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for 
> your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have 
> its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the 
> one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many 
> small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely 
> together.
>
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
> perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
> sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the 
> most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep 
> improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still 
> fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to 
> show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in 
> particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if 
> the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, 
> or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, 
> should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable 
> information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
>
> So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
> reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can 
> be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to 
> break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in 
> malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, 
> and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you 
> plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not 
> already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for 
> some reason, it doesn't show formatting!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
>> independent and knowledgeable about what they do. I use my phone with the 
>> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
>> people like everyone else. I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
>> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
>> time. I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and 
>> like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people 
>> receive them. Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.
>>
>>
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Gordon,
>>>
>>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
>>> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
>>> rebuttal to your comments.
>>>
>>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did 
>>> not have accessible options prior to the 

Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Devon;
I am 66 years old and, I am so happy that a lot of young people are using 
braille for today.
I never want to see braille as a loss start.
Keep it up.
God bless
Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone XR!!!

> On May 25, 2019, at 11:40 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> My journey with Apple started in like 2011, when I got my first iPod. I was 
> in 9th grade, just learning about technology, and excited about all that the 
> iPod could do, even back then. I remember getting an iTunes gift card, and 
> buying books from the iBooks store, and actually read one during a weekend at 
> my Aunt's house.
> Years after that, I got an iPhone 7, the year that the 8 and 10 came out, 
> because I just couldn't live with the Google Pixel anymore. Just like with 
> Linux, I couldn't live with the dirty implementation of what Google calls 
> "accessibility" on Android. So, I gave that Pixel back to Verizon, and got 
> the iPhone 7.
> 
> For me, I judge an operating system accessibility on its braille support. You 
> know Google don't give a crap because BrailleBack isn't even *included* in 
> the accessibility suite in Android, you have to get it from the play store. 
> No Android user can justify this, except to say that some users don't need 
> braille and its somehow good that Google not "clutter" up their phone with 
> accessibility, lol. Linux has a good enough braille system, I suppose, but 
> like everything else regarding accessibility, it can be not even packaged for 
> your distribution of choice, or not enabled, or not set up correctly, or have 
> its system-d service disabled, or have its BRLAPI group not set up with the 
> one you're assigned to, and so much more. Yeah, Linux is made of so many 
> small parts, and its an absolute pain to get all of them working nicely 
> together.
> 
> iOS, however, is just about the gold standard for braille access. Its not 
> perfect, of course, since you never see formatting symbols in braille, and 
> sometimes when you type, braille restarts itself, but my goodness for the 
> most part, it works well. I'm not saying Apple doesn't have to keep 
> improving, but Google and Linux don't give a crap, and Microsoft is still 
> fumbling a little with braille, but iOS 13 will be a great time for Apple to 
> show that they still care about their blind users, and braille users in 
> particular, by fixing bugs and adding features, like showing formatting if 
> the user wants, like italics, bold, and such when reading books and articles, 
> or allowing the user to set up cells which, if they're not working anymore, 
> should be skipped in showing braille, so that the user doesn't get unreliable 
> information. Yes, both of these have been suggested to Apple by me.
> 
> So, I've gone through just about all operating systems. Apple is ruggid and 
> reliable, but doesn't change much. Microsoft is shiny & interesting, but can 
> be rather flimsy sometimes. Linux is large and hard to wield, and easy to 
> break. Android is easily customized, but its looseness also allows in 
> malware. Chromebook doesn't really do much, but that's great for education, 
> and ironically, its braille support is what Android should have, when you 
> plug in a braille display, Chromevox automatically comes on, if its not 
> already on, and drives the display. But like every other screen reader, for 
> some reason, it doesn't show formatting!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 25, 2019, at 9:18 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Since I started receiving Apple products in 2011, I have become more 
>> independent and knowledgeable about what they do.  I use my phone with the 
>> screen only most of the time and like the idea of being able to text to 
>> people like everyone else.  I enjoy exploring apps and the calendar is a 
>> godsend because my events appear on my phone and my computer at the same 
>> time.  I have broadened my music repertoire with the Apple music service and 
>> like the idea that news items are at our disposal the same time other people 
>> receive them.  Also trying to acquaint myself with apps that use GPS.
>> 
>> 
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 25, 2019, at 8:28 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Gordon,
>>> 
>>> While I appreciate your sentiment, because I do not want your post to 
>>> discourage others from contributing to this thread, I will offer a brief 
>>> rebuttal to your comments.
>>> 
>>> First, my question was not meant to suggest that the visually impaired did 
>>> not have accessible options prior to the modern version of iOS, Mac OS, 
>>> etc.   
>>> 
>>> Consider, Even though mankind had harnessed the power of fire, thousands of 
>>> years ago, few would argue that the invention of modern matches or a 
>>> handheld lighter did not increase personal independence.  
>>> 
>>> Second, in my opinion, the learning curve of the legacy OS systems was 
>>> tremendously more difficult to master than modern access technology.  
>>> 

Phone choices.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I want to hear yall's opinions. 

I am trying to prepare in advance for when I will have been
with my phone carrier for two years in November. I am
thinking that is a good time to replace my iPhone. I just
wonder which would be to my best advantage - an Eight (not
Eight plus), an X, or an XR. Of course, a lot will depend on
how much phone is sold for how much money. The thing is that
I thought I'd have another year out of my SE, but understand
that it is not going to have 13. The eight sounds like such
a nice phone, but if it wouldn't last but two or three
years, I don't want to get it. 

Best regards,

Carolyn

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RE: Podcast Apps?

[Alan Lemly]

Dani,

I like the Overcast app mainly because I find its user interface very easy to 
navigate and also because it lets you set a SmartSpeed setting that can save 
some time. I believe what the SmartSpeed setting does is pare out silences and 
pauses somewhat in order to speed things up but it's been a while since I've 
read about this so don't trust my explanation.

Alan Lemly

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Subject: Podcast Apps?

Hi, Everyone.
I have a phone now with enough memory to be able to download podcasts.
Which podcast app would you recommend, and why? Also, is there a way to listen 
to previous podcasts?

Thanks,
Dani

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RE: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Karen Poulakos]

While I used a pc for many years before getting my iPhone and iPad, the
portability of the iPhone and iPad  has made a world of difference in the
way I do things, and has widened the scope of what I am able to accomplish
without sighted help. 

My iPhone has played a huge role in my ability to learn to play the harp,
which began as an older adult, in 2010.  I am able to record my lessons on
my phone, and easily transfer them to my pc.  The Talking Tuner app allows
me to keep my harp in tune.  Youtube and iTunes make it possible to hear
variations on a song I might be learning.  A metronome app helps me to work
on rhythm in difficult sections of music.  And, Facetime allows me to take a
lesson from a teacher 2 states away from where I live.

For several years my husband and I vended at conferences.  The Square app
allowed me to take credit cards independently, and the money reader app
helped me to keep my money organized.

When traveling by car, the Maps app allows me to get a better sense of where
we are.  I can check the weather in our destination ahead of time, so I can
decide what to pack.  I can ask Siri to suggest restaurants, etc. in the
area as we travel, and get directions  on how to get there.  I can set a
wake up alarm. 

These devices have become such a major part of my life, that the list could
go on forever.  The thing I do the least with my phone is talk on it.  When
at home, I still prefer our land line phone for that 

Karen P 

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Re: Theme Question: In What Ways Have Apple Products, or Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal Independence?

[Gordan Radić]

Hi to you and everyone!

I read Marks post as I read some others and I guess I didn't put my 
thouhts as good as I could.


I never meant to say that iPhone or other apple products are not helping 
us, I just wanted to say we could do some thins long before they came in 
the scene. Guess some of us just forgot it and some of us just started 
with that and that's OK.


I just couldn't pass by some comments like "I could finally browse the 
web" or, like you said, "Apps like Lift and Uber change my life". Well, 
as I remember, cab services were just accessible to us before iPhones. 
You just needed to pick up your landphone, call the number and request a 
car. We could do that in 50s and 60s just as easy we can do that now 
using the cab service apps.


Apps like Be my Eyes are no different than asking for help from your 
family, relatives or friends. It's just you can ask it remotely from 
other people aswell but asking for help is still asking for help. And to 
be completely honest, apps like Be my Eyes aren't Apples idea, they're 
result of some blind people who found the way to use the modern 
technology for our needs.


Since Mark didn't intent to put my stand for the debate I'll stop right 
here but I'd really like if this community would atleast give some 
thought what was really a life changers and what was just the 
advancement on existing solutions.



S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

26.05.2019 u 6:08, Marie N. je napisao/la:
Although I agree with some of your statements and I am a daily user of 
the Windows PC, there are things that I can do with the IPhone which I 
can not do as easily on the computer.
The first and for me the thing which has really given me an 
independence that I never had before are the Lyft and Uber apps. I now 
go out to lunch or shopping and to medical appointments, etc. totally 
on my own and can do these on the spur of the moment. No more having 
to ask friends or family or to make arrangements a day or two in 
advance with a para transit service.
2. Being able to set up a calendar event while I am out and not near a 
computer.
3. Be My Eyes has helped with many things I would have had to get with 
a sighted person at their convenience. And that includes problems with 
the computer when we can't read what is on the screen.
4. KNFB and now the scanner app are so quick and easy when you are not 
sitting at your computer desk or not even in your house.
5. The seeing AI lets me sort through my mail so quickly and with no 
assistance and the money reader keeps me from having to worry about 
what bills I have when I go out.
There are indeed many things I will always prefer to do on the 
computer but I do love the portability of the IPhone and being able to 
have both it and my PC.

Marie

-Original Message- From: Gordan Radić
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Their Related Third-Party Apps, Increased Your Level of Personal 
Independence?


Hi to all!

I hope i won't be a party breaker but I read some emails on the subjectt
and I can't agree with most mentioned.

Just to refresh your memory, before iPhone got Voice Over there was a
tiny little thing called Symbian, it was used on the Nokia smartphones
and there were two screen readers called Talks and Mobile Speak.

So, basic things such as calling, keeping up with the contacts,
messaging, mailing, calendar, alarms, reading caller ID and even web
browsing was available to the blind community times before first iOS
with voice over.

There wee also music and book players on those old Nokia phones. There
were also social media apps and some other things but they weren't
accessible with screen readers but, it's not Nokia or Symbian fault,
it's the developers thing. We hame the same problems on iOS acasionally.

Things we couldn't do on the phone we could do on our PCs. I don't know
when exactly Mac got usable Voice Over support but Jaws, Window Eyes,
Hal and NVDA are on Windows based PCs for ages. Almost everything
mentioned in previous mails was possible for us allthe time and if you
ask me, even more than on the iProducts. With all dued respect, I still
regularly use my Windows PC for tones of tasks I can do on my phone.

So, I can't say that iOS and iDevices in general are not great, they
really are but we can't say we didn't live before them. Apple took us to
the next level with mobility because we don't need to carry our laptops
or whatever with us and we can do things on our iPhones on the go but we
were able to do things before iOS with Voice over.


S poštovanjem

Gordan Radić

25.05.2019 u 19:49, Paul and Paula Jordan je napisao/la:
I was the one who swore I didn't want an IPhone no matter what. That 
was when the 4S had just come out. I have had a 7 for the last 2-1/2 
years so that in itself says something. Hard to narrow down to 5 
things even with some honorable mentions, but I'll give it a try. In 
no particular 

Re: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

[Dave]

Hi Arlene, it’s really easy.

If the person, is in your contacts, then all you have to do, is just ask siri, 
to make a facetime audio call to that person, and if you wish to make a video 
call, then just ask siri the same, but leave out the audio call part.

Dave.


From: Arlene 
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 11:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

Richard, voice dream reader is really great, but it was disappointing yesterday 
when we were trying to scan a new credit card. 

We made a face time call to a friend about 7 or 8 months ago and it was easy to 
do, but we can't figure out how to just make a call to just one person with 
face time. We're wondering if something has changed in how to do it.
Thank you.
Arlene

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Re: Multi-Party FaceTime Calls

[Arlene]

In making a group face time call, Would you put spaces between the phone 
numbers or put a comma and space after each phone number? Thank you.

Arlene
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 5:25 AM
  Subject: Re: Multi-Party FaceTime Calls


  I did a web search for your question and here is the first result: 
  How to place a group FaceTime call using FaceTime on iPhone and iPad. Open 
FaceTime on your iPhone or iPad. Tap the + button in the upper-right corner. 
Enter the name or number of a person you want to call. Enter up to 30 
additional contacts. Tap Video or Audio to place your FaceTime call. 


  Richard


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  On May 24, 2019, at 12:40 AM, 'Bill Gallik' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


I have recently tried to use FaceTime to establish multi-party calls but 
haven’t had any success.  I have one fundamental question and a second, more 
general, question.

I want to set up a FaceTime with six parties (including myself) and am not 
sure if I need to create a group or list to call each party in a single fell 
swoop.  Or, do I need to call each party individually; adding each to the 
conference while going on to the next party.

Then, are there any instructions anywhere to address making a multi-party 
FaceTime call?


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voice dream reader and calling one person with facetime

[Arlene]

Richard, voice dream reader is really great, but it was disappointing yesterday 
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We made a face time call to a friend about 7 or 8 months ago and it was easy to 
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