New Cloudbeats update seems inaccessible.

[Matthew Bullis]

The new update for the cloudbeats app seems inaccessible. I even used screen 
recognition and notice some of my Dropbox filenames there, but can't click on 
any, including the email developers link. Does anyone have the email so I can 
write to them? I think I paid six dollars for this app, so that I could play 
entire Dropbox folders without interruption.
Thanks,
Matthew

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[bentleyj1952]

No, bears crap any where they want.

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Now that’s a cool thought,

 

A gide bear!

 

No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with you.

 

And bears shit in the woods!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). Then 
of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear will 
take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

 

Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although there 
are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.

My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and we 
came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a black 
bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous dog 
seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me when 
there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

 

Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.

Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the trail.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site:   www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.

Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.

Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

 

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.

 

 

Mind you,

You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

 

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

 

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[bentleyj1952]

What about dirt cheap laytex gloves?

 

Or, are you just kidding around?

 

James B

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

It’s not difficult,

 

They just find it hard cleaning the poo out from under their finger nails.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
juanhernande...@gmail.com  
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 6:51 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Why is it so hard for blind folks to pickup dog poop?

 

I mean really, if you can’t pick it up, maybe a dog isn’t for you.

 

 

From: h.begum99 via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 6:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Yeah but then another blind person will probably come and walk over it which is 
disgusting!!! In my area there’s lots of dog poo around on the street and you 
always feel extra apprehensive in case you step in it. Other people just go 
around or over it but of course blind people have no choice but to go through 
it if they are walking alone.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: 26 May 2021 00:18
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now. 

 

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog. 

 

Simon 

 

 

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From: Simon A Fogarty   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Yeah,

 

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping" 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: CJ   & AA MAY 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

 

Alison

 

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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[goshawk on horseback]

sorry all, meant to send that last one off list, as I know this is way off 
topic now. 

Simon 


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  Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:14 AM
  Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post


  that's why I thought that the seaLion would be a bit of a better idea, rather 
than a dolphin, which would have been my other swimming guide choice. 
  actually, having been swimming with a seaLion, I can say from experience, 
that they do not "stink" at all, so don't know where you got that idea from. 

  Simon 


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:06 AM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post


And the sea lion would be able to go on land as well,

 

 

They’d stink though.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 1:05 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

that might be a bit of a problem in somewhere like london for example, 
where there ain't really any woods around. 

personally, as I love my open water swimming, a guide seaLion would suit me 
a lot better. 

for the more land based stuff, I wish I could use my horse Lizzie, as I 
could ride her as well, so she would be both my guide, and transport. 

think that may be a bit of a problem when needing to go somewhere by train 
though. 

 

Simon 

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: Simon A Fogarty 

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:43 AM

  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

   

  Now that’s a cool thought,

   

  A gide bear!

   

  No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with 
you.

   

  And bears shit in the woods!

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

   

  Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do 
work). Then of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the 
bear will take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

   

  Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although 
there are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.

  My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and 
we came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a 
black bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous 
dog seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me 
when there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.

   

   

  Best regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

   

  I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about 
his adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

   

  Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.

  Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the 
trail.

   

   

   

  Richard

  "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

  - John Ruskin, 1819-1900

   

  Web site: www.turner42.com

   

   

   

  From: 

Re: which phone

[Kay Malmquist]

I have been using battery cases since they first came out back in the early 
2011 or whenever it was.  I have had a few different ones and never had an 
issue.  Sorry your experience wasn't a good one.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

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- Original Message - 
From: "Joshua Hendrickson" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: which phone


Be careful with those battery cases.  They have a sort of built in
lightning connector that when you put your iPhone in the case, the
connector inside the case goes into your iPhone lightning port.  If
that connector inside your battery case is bent or broken, then the
case doesn't work anymore.  That happened to me one time and I was out
$50.  Holly, I was talking about the battery in the iPhone 12 mini.
I'd get a portable battery with built in lightning cable rather then a
smart charge case.  I've got a little leather bag with 2 small
pockets, one pocket fits my iPhone 8, and the other pocket will hold
my 1 MA. portable battery.  It has a built in lightning cable, as
well as a cable with both a micro USB and also USBC tip.  It works
very well.  I just charge the battery over night before I go somewhere
and I've got enough power if I need it when I go out.

On 5/26/21, Holly  wrote:
> Kay:
>
> I think Josh was talking about the battery with the SE 2020, not the Mini
> 12.
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Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[goshawk on horseback]

that's why I thought that the seaLion would be a bit of a better idea, rather 
than a dolphin, which would have been my other swimming guide choice. 
actually, having been swimming with a seaLion, I can say from experience, that 
they do not "stink" at all, so don't know where you got that idea from. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon A Fogarty 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 2:06 AM
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post


  And the sea lion would be able to go on land as well,

   

   

  They’d stink though.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 1:05 pm
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post
  Importance: High

   

  that might be a bit of a problem in somewhere like london for example, where 
there ain't really any woods around. 

  personally, as I love my open water swimming, a guide seaLion would suit me a 
lot better. 

  for the more land based stuff, I wish I could use my horse Lizzie, as I could 
ride her as well, so she would be both my guide, and transport. 

  think that may be a bit of a problem when needing to go somewhere by train 
though. 

   

  Simon 

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: Simon A Fogarty 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:43 AM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

 

Now that’s a cool thought,

 

A gide bear!

 

No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with 
you.

 

And bears shit in the woods!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

 

Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). 
Then of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear 
will take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

 

Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although 
there are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.

My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and 
we came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a 
black bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous 
dog seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me 
when there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.

 

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

 

I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

 

Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.

Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the 
trail.

 

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think 
so. - The Washington Post

 

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and 
Grizzly Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely 
extinct.

Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human 
alive can 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

And the sea lion would be able to go on land as well,


They’d stink though.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 1:05 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

that might be a bit of a problem in somewhere like london for example, where 
there ain't really any woods around.
personally, as I love my open water swimming, a guide seaLion would suit me a 
lot better.
for the more land based stuff, I wish I could use my horse Lizzie, as I could 
ride her as well, so she would be both my guide, and transport.
think that may be a bit of a problem when needing to go somewhere by train 
though.

Simon


- Original Message -
From: Simon A Fogarty
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:43 AM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Now that’s a cool thought,

A gide bear!

No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with you.

And bears shit in the woods!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). Then 
of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear will 
take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although there 
are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.
My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and we 
came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a black 
bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous dog 
seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me when 
there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.
Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the trail.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.
Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.
Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: 

Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[goshawk on horseback]

that might be a bit of a problem in somewhere like london for example, where 
there ain't really any woods around. 
personally, as I love my open water swimming, a guide seaLion would suit me a 
lot better. 
for the more land based stuff, I wish I could use my horse Lizzie, as I could 
ride her as well, so she would be both my guide, and transport. 
think that may be a bit of a problem when needing to go somewhere by train 
though. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon A Fogarty 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 1:43 AM
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post


  Now that’s a cool thought,

   

  A gide bear!

   

  No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with you.

   

  And bears shit in the woods!

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post

   

  Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). 
Then of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear 
will take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

   

  Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although 
there are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.

  My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and we 
came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a black 
bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous dog 
seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me when 
there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.

   

   

  Best regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post

   

  I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

   

  Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.

  Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the 
trail.

   

   

   

  Richard

  "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

  - John Ruskin, 1819-1900

   

  Web site: www.turner42.com

   

   

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
- The Washington Post

   

  First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.

  Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.

  Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
  Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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- The Washington Post

   

  Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

   

  They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves 
as well.

   

   

  Mind you,

  You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

   

  I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

   

  That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
  Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

Dude,

A bear is a bear,

And if one was chasing me,
I’d be breaking speed records.

You wouldn’t see me except for the shit I left in my undies on the way out of 
them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 4:59 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.
Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.
Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.


Mind you,
You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time.



On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

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RE: Switching over to Sonos S2 controler

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah I can only now use the s2 app as the OS on my phone and the sonos firmware 
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Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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It is basically the same at least it was when I last used the S1 app before 
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Can people share their experience what it was like to switch over from the 
original Sonos app to the new one? Also, do all of the older speakers need to 
switch over at the same time? I have unpacked one speaker, but I am not sure 
where the second one is. We have two play ones.

If I end up buying a Roam, I know I will need to switch to the new app.

Thank you,
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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

Now that’s a cool thought,

A gide bear!

No one would give you trouble when they see that walking the streets with you.

And bears shit in the woods!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:23 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). Then 
of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear will 
take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although there 
are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.
My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and we 
came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a black 
bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous dog 
seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me when 
there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.
Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the trail.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.
Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.
Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.


Mind you,
You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

Um,

Isn’t it time this thread was stopped?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 5:48 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
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There are lots of guide dog users that have signs that say, “Don’t Pet me, I’m 
working”. I prefer saying it myself, as I like to educate the public.
Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
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Twitter: @lpnalda


On May 26, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Believe it or not, most guide dog users can be taught to say this as well 
although I usually say it in slightly less offensive language.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:58 PM
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The Washington Post
Importance: High

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping"

Simon


- Original Message -
From: CJ & AA MAY
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
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By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

Alison

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Simon A Fogarty]

It’s not difficult,

They just find it hard cleaning the poo out from under their finger nails.



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Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 6:51 am
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The Washington Post

Why is it so hard for blind folks to pickup dog poop?

I mean really, if you can’t pick it up, maybe a dog isn’t for you.


From: h.begum99 via VIPhone 
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Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 6:28 AM
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Yeah but then another blind person will probably come and walk over it which is 
disgusting!!! In my area there’s lots of dog poo around on the street and you 
always feel extra apprehensive in case you step in it. Other people just go 
around or over it but of course blind people have no choice but to go through 
it if they are walking alone.


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Sent: 26 May 2021 00:18
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
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Importance: High

exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now.

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog.

Simon


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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
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Yeah,

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping"

Simon


- Original Message -
From: CJ & AA MAY
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

Alison

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Re: Question about Pandora.

[Holly]

I think so.  Try it.  Just ask Siri to play a certain song from Pandora. 
When I tried it, she asked permission to link to my Pandora app and then 
played the song.  I had to open the Pandora app  and then close it with the 
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Re: which phone

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Be careful with those battery cases.  They have a sort of built in
lightning connector that when you put your iPhone in the case, the
connector inside the case goes into your iPhone lightning port.  If
that connector inside your battery case is bent or broken, then the
case doesn't work anymore.  That happened to me one time and I was out
$50.  Holly, I was talking about the battery in the iPhone 12 mini.
I'd get a portable battery with built in lightning cable rather then a
smart charge case.  I've got a little leather bag with 2 small
pockets, one pocket fits my iPhone 8, and the other pocket will hold
my 1 MA. portable battery.  It has a built in lightning cable, as
well as a cable with both a micro USB and also USBC tip.  It works
very well.  I just charge the battery over night before I go somewhere
and I've got enough power if I need it when I go out.

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Re: Question about Pandora.

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Carolyn, if you want to hear specific songs, then you'd need to pay
for a different music service like youtube music.  I could ask Siri to
either play a particular artist, or hear a specific song on youtube
music, and Siri will open up youtube music, and play the song I want
if it is available.

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Re: Question about Pandora.

[Maria Campbell]

You can tell Siri  to play James Taylor radio on Pandora.


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On 5/26/2021 6:47 PM, Carolyn wrote:

Can I just ask Siri to play a song, now that I finally got
the Pandora app downloaded?

Thanks.



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RE: Question about Pandora.

[Larry Lumpkin]

I don't think so.


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Can I just ask Siri to play a song, now that I finally got the Pandora app 
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RE: Question about settings

[Carolyn]

You can put Wi-Fi on for home, or other places you go that have it, and just 
leave it. Then go anywhere, use your phone. When you come to where you have a 
Wi-Fi setting, it is on. 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 4:56 PM
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Subject: Question about settings

Will someone please clarify the setting “wifi Call?”

I am leaving “Cellular” on so that I can make calls when I’m away. If I leave 
the “WIFI call” on, will I still be able to use my phone on WIFI when home and 
without WIFI when away? Should I leave it off?

 

You can tell I’m still not really comfortable using my Iphone, but I’m 
persistent.

 

Shirley

And 8-year-old puppy Jack

 

 

 

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Question about Pandora.

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Can I just ask Siri to play a song, now that I finally got
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RE: ClubHouse And ClubDeck Are They Really What They Proclaim To Be

[marco.curr]

Hi,

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Make sure the country code is correct.

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When entering in the phone number, you shouldn’t enter the country code from 
memory in that field.

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Marco

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
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I just installed Club deck and it claims that my phone number is incorrect. 
Even though the same number works on iOS.

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Subject: RE: ClubHouse And ClubDeck Are They Really What They Proclaim To Be

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Hello everyone,

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Welcome to this massive episode, 86, of the Blind Tech Guys.

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Wow, what an episode this turned out to be, so if you wanted to know more about 
ClubHouse and ClubDeck, well, this is the episode for you.

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On this week’s episode, Marco spoke with accessibility specialist and all-round 
great guy Neil McCullough, who walked our listeners through how to use 
ClubHouse, and the developers of ClubDeck, Pierre Stanislas and Philippe 
Breuils, plus Kirt demonstrates Spotify and how accessible it is on an Android 
phone and Marco continues our settings series by running you through 
notifications and do not disturb on his Samsung S21 Ultra.

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Re: iWatch

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fortunately my 10r will be paid off next month so I will use it with the watch.
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  Hi Robert,


  The Apple Watch can be paired with an iPhone only. I don’t know how old you 
are talking, but it can pair with a lot of phones.


  Jenn


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Re: which phone

[Holly]

Kay:

I think Josh was talking about the battery with the SE 2020, not the Mini 12.

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Re: Question about settings

[Mike B]

Shirley,

If you turn on Wifi calling when you're within range of your Wifi signal 
you'll use Wifi for all calls, but when your out of the Wifi range the phone 
will switch to cellular when away from a saved Wifi network, and will switch 
back to a saved Wifi network when back in its range.


Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
Just once, I want a username and password prompt to say:  "Close Enough!"

- Original Message - 
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To: 'Stur It Up Productions' via VIPhone
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 1:55 PM
Subject: Question about settings


Will someone please clarify the setting “wifi Call?”

I am leaving “Cellular” on so that I can make calls when I’m away. If I 
leave the “WIFI call” on, will I still be able to use my phone on WIFI when 
home and without WIFI when away? Should I leave it off?



You can tell I’m still not really comfortable using my Iphone, but I’m 
persistent.



Shirley

And 8-year-old puppy Jack








Shirley Tracy




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RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree that when I see a broad generalization in an article or post, or an 
obvious bias, I find it off putting, and it raises questions in my mind about 
everything else contained in the article or post. IMHO, if someone wants to be 
taken seriously then they shouldn’t make such broad biased statements. I see 
this sometimes when Android users talk about Apple or Apple users talk about 
Google or Linux users talk about Microsoft and so on. I still read the article, 
and I think it’s a valid issue, but I did find it off putting and I did take 
everything else with a grain of salt because of it.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is offputting, which 
is why I said I do not agree with everything, however it raises huge concerns 
about access to books.
One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to spread the 
word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend who is a 90-year 
old Sister of Providence. The book is only available through Audible. It was 
written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or especially 
Kindle.
I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download an MP3 
file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
She would buy the book.
But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with Amazon.
That's BS!
I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not holding my 
breath.
My friend really needs human read books.
So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn powerful.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are written 
to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such the author should 
do so in a more objective way which is not going to offend the majority of 
people who read this. Let's face it, how many people order from Amazon and 
statements like "Amazon is evil" would make many of them feel insantly 
defensive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence, that is 
your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this country are 
quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com




On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil". It's just 
as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil" or "the government 
is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 11:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth 
reading and considering

I do not agree with all the language in this article, but agree whole heartedly 
with the sentiment.

The Harmful Impact of Audible Exclusive Audiobooks
by Mark Pearson on July 27, 2020 in Audiobooks

We are Libro.fm, an audiobook platform that makes it possible for you to buy 
audiobooks directly through your local bookstore. We are fiercely independent 
and we oppose Amazon’s efforts to prevent independent bookstores and libraries 
from providing certain audiobooks, called Audible Exclusives.

One frequently-asked question we get from Libro.fm listeners is why certain 
audiobooks aren’t available on our platform—like Born a Crime by Trevor Noah 
and Maybe You Should Talk to Someone by Lori Gottlieb.

Is there a word for grief as it relates to being very interested in a story 
only to find out it’s an Audible exclusive— Bex (@BDingz) July 15, 2020

While Libro.fm has a catalog of over 150,000 audiobooks—and more than 99% of 
all The New York Times bestsellers—some titles are unavailable due to exclusive 
licenses granted by audiobook publishers and authors to 

Re: which phone

[Kay Malmquist]

It won’t matter because I will get a battery case for it anyway. So that’s not 
one of my most pressing criteria.

Kay Malmquist
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Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2021, at 3:23 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

I thought I'd heard the battery life on the 12 mini wasn't that good.
I could have been wrong.

> On 5/26/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> OK, I went with the Mini.  It seems to have the same specs and I like small.
> 
> I should wait for the 13, but it can't wait.  Thanks for the input.
> 
> Kay Malmquist
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> 
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> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Yates" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: which phone
> 
> 
> I, too, would recommend the mini. I've had mine since December and have been
> 
> pleased.
> Danney
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 26, 2021, at 12:47 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>> 
>> ?I would go with the Mini. It has the same functionality as the regular
>> size 12 in a size that fits into a pocket or your hand.  I used to own
>> an iPhone 5 and liked the smaller screen for typing and navigating
>> apps.
>> 
>> Kelly
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/24/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> The SE has the same chip as the 11. So the 12 has a newer chip with
>>> slightly
>>> better processing ability.
>>> But again, if one can wait a little while there may be features coming
>>> in
>>> the 13 that will make that a better choice. Plus, once the 13 is
>>> released,
>>> the prices on the 12's will drop.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
>>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>> 
>>> www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Holly  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> And the SE 2020 is only $400.
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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Shirley Tracy]

Yes, but I do both—use the sign and talk with people. Sometimes folks just pat my dog while saying, “I know I’m not supposed to pat a service dog but I just can’t help myself.” With the sign, it happens less, especially in front of other people who have often pointed out the sign.    Shirley Tracy From: Pete NaldaSent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 1:47 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post There are lots of guide dog users that have signs that say, “Don’t Pet me, I’m working”. I prefer saying it myself, as I like to educate the public. Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, MatesLouie P (Pete) NaldaFacebook.com/lpnaldaLinkedin.com/in/lpnaldaTwitter: @lpnaldaOn May 26, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: Believe it or not, most guide dog users can be taught to say this as well although I usually say it in slightly less offensive language. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk on horsebackSent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:58 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington PostImportance: High possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying to do a job here, and you are not helping"  Simon   - Original Message - From: CJ & AA MAY To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PMSubject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide dog is likely to draw just as much attention. Alison -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/020d01d751a7%24b6d85c60%2424891520%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/06d101d751a8%24b2e88f20%24fd01a8c0%40SimonPC.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/MWHPR06MB313580E5777A10036C4BFA20C7249%40MWHPR06MB3135.namprd06.prod.outlook.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list 

Question about settings

[Shirley Tracy]

Will someone please clarify the setting “wifi Call?”I am leaving “Cellular” on so that I can make calls when I’m away. If I leave the “WIFI call” on, will I still be able to use my phone on WIFI when home and without WIFI when away? Should I leave it off? You can tell I’m still not really comfortable using my Iphone, but I’m persistent. ShirleyAnd 8-year-old puppy Jack     Shirley Tracy 



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Re: which phone

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I thought I'd heard the battery life on the 12 mini wasn't that good.
I could have been wrong.

On 5/26/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> OK, I went with the Mini.  It seems to have the same specs and I like small.
>
> I should wait for the 13, but it can't wait.  Thanks for the input.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
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> -Aristotle.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dan Yates" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:52 AM
> Subject: Re: which phone
>
>
> I, too, would recommend the mini. I've had mine since December and have been
>
> pleased.
> Danney
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 26, 2021, at 12:47 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>
>> ?I would go with the Mini. It has the same functionality as the regular
>> size 12 in a size that fits into a pocket or your hand.  I used to own
>> an iPhone 5 and liked the smaller screen for typing and navigating
>> apps.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/24/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> The SE has the same chip as the 11. So the 12 has a newer chip with
>>> slightly
>>> better processing ability.
>>> But again, if one can wait a little while there may be features coming
>>> in
>>> the 13 that will make that a better choice. Plus, once the 13 is
>>> released,
>>> the prices on the 12's will drop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
>>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>>
>>> www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 24, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Holly  wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> And the SE 2020 is only $400.
>>>
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Re: Bad sound from the top speaker on my iPhone 8

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I agree.  Check and see if you can have it cleaned first.  The bottom
speaker went out on my iPhone 8 and unfortunately, that can't be
replaced.  The top speaker of the iPhone is a part of the screen, so I
believe, that can be replaced if needed.  Hope your problem is
resolved soon.

On 5/26/21, Doug Parisian  wrote:
> Marty, first speaker designed for the earpiece has less audio quality than
> the speaker on the bottom of your phone. I would first want to take my phone
> over to in authorized service depot to see if this speaker simply needs to
> be cleaned. I had a problem with my main speaker on my iPhone 8 and I took
> it into the Apple store and got it cleaned for free since it didn’t need
> replacing. HTH
>
> Sent from my iPhone, Siri, and my lips
>
> On May 26, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Marty Hutchings 
> wrote:
>
> Can the speaker on the top of my iPhone 8 be replaced and what would the
> cost for this be?
> Thanks
> Marty
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Re: ClubHouse And ClubDeck Are They Really What They Proclaim To Be

[Robert Doc Wright]

I just installed Club deck and it claims that my phone number is incorrect. 
Even though the same number works on iOS.
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 4:43 AM
  Subject: RE: ClubHouse And ClubDeck Are They Really What They Proclaim To Be


   

   

  From: marco.c...@gmail.com  
  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 8:43 PM
  To: vi...@freelists.org
  Subject: RE: ClubHouse And ClubDeck Are They Really What They Proclaim To Be

   

  Hello everyone,

   

  Welcome to this massive episode, 86, of the Blind Tech Guys.

   

  Wow, what an episode this turned out to be, so if you wanted to know more 
about ClubHouse and ClubDeck, well, this is the episode for you.

   

  On this week’s episode, Marco spoke with accessibility specialist and 
all-round great guy Neil McCullough, who walked our listeners through how to 
use ClubHouse, and the developers of ClubDeck, Pierre Stanislas and Philippe 
Breuils, plus Kirt demonstrates Spotify and how accessible it is on an Android 
phone and Marco continues our settings series by running you through 
notifications and do not disturb on his Samsung S21 Ultra.

   

  To check out this week’s show, we invite you to head on over to the Blind 
Tech Guys website,  where you can easily subscribe to the podcast so you don’t 
miss any future episodes, or you can simply ask your smart speaker to “play the 
latest episode of the Blind Tech Guys podcast”.

   

  Warm regards,

   

  Marco Curralejo

   


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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[juanhernandez98]

Why is it so hard for blind folks to pickup dog poop?

 

I mean really, if you can’t pick it up, maybe a dog isn’t for you.

 

From: h.begum99 via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 6:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Yeah but then another blind person will probably come and walk over it which is 
disgusting!!! In my area there’s lots of dog poo around on the street and you 
always feel extra apprehensive in case you step in it. Other people just go 
around or over it but of course blind people have no choice but to go through 
it if they are walking alone.

 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: 26 May 2021 00:18
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now. 

 

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog. 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Simon A Fogarty   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Yeah,

 

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping" 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: CJ   & AA MAY 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

 

Alison

 

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RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[juanhernandez98]

Make sure the sound option isn’t in the rotter, if it is go to it and flick 
up/down to change the status.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

 

That depends. Do you have a backup to restore from?

 

 

Dennis Long

Sent from my iPhone 

  _  

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MAY 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:53:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher 

 

Is it worth doing a re-set?
Alison


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Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
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Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?
I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
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Re: iWatch

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Robert,

The Apple Watch can be paired with an iPhone only. I don’t know how old you are 
talking, but it can pair with a lot of phones.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On May 24, 2021, at 12:44 PM, Robert Doc Wright  
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> 
> 
> Can I sync my watch with my iPad or older iPhone?
> *
> family Times weekly Movie times
>  
> 
> go to Doc's Stream
> http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
> Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
> You can also find family times on OoTunes.
>  
> Get the stream guide:
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> 
>  
> 
> walking in VictoryI welcome all that are interested in joining our 
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> Also, there is a weekly bible study at 8pm EST in the Walking with Jesus 
> channel.
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> Add the following information in your TeamTalk
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> TCP/UDP ports: 10333
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Re: Bad sound from the top speaker on my iPhone 8

[Doug Parisian]

Marty, first speaker designed for the earpiece has less audio quality than the 
speaker on the bottom of your phone. I would first want to take my phone over 
to in authorized service depot to see if this speaker simply needs to be 
cleaned. I had a problem with my main speaker on my iPhone 8 and I took it into 
the Apple store and got it cleaned for free since it didn’t need replacing. HTH

Sent from my iPhone, Siri, and my lips

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Can the speaker on the top of my iPhone 8 be replaced and what would the cost 
for this be?
Thanks
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Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Traci Duncan]

Oh my gosh, thank you guys! This worked perfectly!

Now I’m much happier with the speakers. LOL! :-)

Thank you,
Traci

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Did you go to Settings > Bluetooth and for your speaker select "More Info" 
> and then select what type of device it is? Maybe it is recognized as a 
> headset, if it is or if it has no device type associated with it then tell 
> iOS it's a speaker and do this when the speaker is turned off.
> This may fix the issue with Voiceover staying on the phone.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
> Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Hi all, I ended up buying two sound core flare twos. So far, they are cool 
> speakers. I’m disappointed that VoiceOver is on the speaker instead of my 
> phone. I still need to work out how to put the speakers in party cast. They 
> were a good price point and should work well for the patio.
>  
> I am very interested in the Sonos Roam. I like the hands free option. Plus, I 
> like the Sonos platform. Please keep us posted about the battery.
>  
> Thank you,
> Traci
>  
> 
> 
> On May 25, 2021, at 4:46 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>  
> Higher than I would think battery usage.
>  
> But good to know.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 3:10 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
> it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
> battery.
> I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
> showd as 98%.
> Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
> would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
> means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
> without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
> approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
> off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
> I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to 
> hold at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I 
> don't use them.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Angie 
> Nutt
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
> days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
> off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
> the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
>  
> 
> On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner  wrote:
>  
> Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep 
> mode rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
> If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.
>  
>  
> 
>  
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
> definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
> and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
> Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
> description:
>  
> WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s 
> super waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable 
> pool pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in 
> waist-deep, it hits you with waves of glorious sound.
>  
> Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has 
> many more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore 
> I assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
> speaker.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
> water stream?
>  
> And, roughly , how much does it cost?
>  
> Thank you Sieghard,
>  
> James B  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone
>  
> From: 

Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Pete Nalda]

There are lots of guide dog users that have signs that say, “Don’t Pet me, I’m 
working”. I prefer saying it myself, as I like to educate the public. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On May 26, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Believe it or not, most guide dog users can be taught to say this as well 
> although I usually say it in slightly less offensive language.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:58 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
> Importance: High
>  
> possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
> getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
> even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
> to do a job here, and you are not helping"
>  
> Simon
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: CJ & AA MAY
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
> Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. 
> - The Washington Post
>  
> By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their 
> attention. Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide 
> dog owner is that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. 
> A robot guide dog is likely to draw just as much attention.
>  
> Alison
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Re: Problem to find my iPhone in the Mac

[John Panarese]

  If you are running anything later then Mojave, it’s now found through the 
Sidebar in Finder. Once you connect the iPhone, open a Finder window and 
navigate to the Sidebar. Interact and it will be down further in the list. Also 
note that there will be dialogs to ask you to “trust” your computer and the 
phone on both devices you must acknowledge before the iPhone will load and show 
in Finder.


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> On May 26, 2021, at 1:30 PM, Rena  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Any help, please?
>  
> Every time I connect my iPhone with the Mac I have problems to find the 
> phone. Is there any easy way to find my iPhone SE in the Mac latest version?
>  
> Rena
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RE: Bad sound from the top speaker on my iPhone 8

[Richard Turner]

Call Apple's main number.




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Can the speaker on the top of my iPhone 8 be replaced and what would the cost 
for this be?
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Problem to find my iPhone in the Mac

[Rena]

Hello,

Any help, please?

 

Every time I connect my iPhone with the Mac I have problems to find the
phone. Is there any easy way to find my iPhone SE in the Mac latest version?

 

Rena

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Bad sound from the top speaker on my iPhone 8

[Marty Hutchings]

Can the speaker on the top of my iPhone 8 be replaced and what would the 
cost for this be?
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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, we call them dinner bells (as a joke of course because they do work). Then 
of course there is the pepper spray which if your are unlucky the bear will 
take away from you and use it for seasoning 藍

Fortunately most bears aren't all that interested in eating you although there 
are exceptions, Mummy bears of course may decide to take you out if you 
accidently got too close to their babies and they think you are a thread and 
there are sometimes simply bears which are aggressive and which for the most 
part havde lost their natural fear of humans because they have gotten too used 
to us and those are usually the ones which are more dangerous.
My wife and I went for a walk on the trails around our town last fall and we 
came around a bend and here was my yellow lab running full out towards a black 
bear probably thinking that he looked like a good playmate. My previous dog 
seemed to have his natural instincts a lot more and he always alerted me when 
there was a bear or moose nearby. Anyways, the bear fortunately was not 
aggressive and probably had eaten plenty of salmon in order to fatten himself 
up for the long sleep ahead, I yelled at my dog and he braked to a stop a foot 
or two in front of the bear and then came back. I started yelling and we backed 
up and all was well, but even though we had just passed a group of people maybe 
a hundred yards further back this is not an encounter I need too often because 
it could have gone either way.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.
Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the trail.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.
Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.
Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.


Mind you,
You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look 

RE: Switching over to Sonos S2 controler

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It is basically the same at least it was when I last used the S1 app before 
upgrading all my old Connect and Connect:Amp devices to either Sonos Amp or 
Port devices. I assume that as time goes by there maybe features in the S2 
controller which don't exist in the S1 controller because the older hardware 
doesn't support them, but I think for now it's very similar. Of course you do 
have to be sure that all your Sonos speakers are S2 compatible. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Switching over to Sonos S2 controler

Can people share their experience what it was like to switch over from the 
original Sonos app to the new one? Also, do all of the older speakers need to 
switch over at the same time? I have unpacked one speaker, but I am not sure 
where the second one is. We have two play ones.

If I end up buying a Roam, I know I will need to switch to the new app.

Thank you,
Traci

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Richard Turner]

I heard the author Bill Bryson in person once, and he was telling about his 
adventures and the warnings he received from the outdoor equipment store 
salesperson about walking through bear country.

Salesperson: Make lots of noise.  Wearing bells is a good way to do that.
Bill: O, that explains all the little bells I saw in the bear poop on the trail.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.
Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.
Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.


Mind you,
You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time.



On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't 

RE: authenticator explanation

[Anthony Borg]

Excellent explanation thanks. 

Regards 

 

Anthony 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: 26 May 2021 18:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: authenticator explanation

 

Authenticator apps are for accounts where you use 2-factor authentication. 
Typically after you put in your user name and password a code will be emailed 
or texted to you and you have to then enter this code. If you use an 
authenticator code, then the app will generate the code you use, of course you 
have to specify on whichever website, let's say on Dropbox, that you are using 
an authenticator app and you then have to set up the app for Dropbox which 
generally involves scanning a QR code on the computer screen.

With Microsoft, Google and some others this approach goes a step further in 
that your iPhone itself along with the Microsoft Authenticator app (in the case 
of Microsoft) is used for authentication. If I log into my Outlook.com account 
from a computer which is not on the trusted computer list, a notification is 
sent to the authenticator app on my iPhone. It pops up just like any 
notification on my phone and when I tap on it the authenticator app opens, I am 
asked if I want to allow or reject the login attempt and if I tap allow it uses 
my Face Id for verification and, in some cases, it even asks you to confirm one 
of three numbers which would be displayed on your computer's screen. So, for 
example, it may say "Tap the number displayed" and then on the computer screen 
let's say it shows the number 48, on my iPhone screen I see 17, 48 and 63 so 
then I tap on 48 and at this point the app communicates to my login attempt 
that everything was authenticated and I get logged in.

If you use 2-factor authentication for Google you can set it up to use the 
Google app on your iPhone for verification. It's currently probably one of the 
most secure methods because even if somebody had your phone they would not be 
able to authenticate the login because your Face Id or Touch Id would be 
needed. If you get the code sent to your iPhone via text message and as many do 
have it set up to show text messages on the lock screen, then as long as 
somebody had access to your phone they could log in and simply read the code 
which was sent on your lock screen.

It's actually somewhat ironic that you can set up 2-factor verification for 
many accounts such as Microsoft, Google, Apple, Dropbox etc. but most banks and 
credit card companies do not support or offer this.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Anthony Borg
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 5:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: authenticator explanation

 

Hi 

 

Can someone explain more fully the usage of the Authenticator app please? 

Thanks in advance 

 

Anthony 

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RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you go to Settings > Bluetooth and for your speaker select "More Info" and 
then select what type of device it is? Maybe it is recognized as a headset, if 
it is or if it has no device type associated with it then tell iOS it's a 
speaker and do this when the speaker is turned off.
This may fix the issue with Voiceover staying on the phone.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Traci 
Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Hi all, I ended up buying two sound core flare twos. So far, they are cool 
speakers. I’m disappointed that VoiceOver is on the speaker instead of my 
phone. I still need to work out how to put the speakers in party cast. They 
were a good price point and should work well for the patio.

I am very interested in the Sonos Roam. I like the hands free option. Plus, I 
like the Sonos platform. Please keep us posted about the battery.

Thank you,
Traci



On May 25, 2021, at 4:46 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Higher than I would think battery usage.

But good to know.

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 3:10 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
battery.
I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
showd as 98%.
Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to hold 
at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I don't 
use them.

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.

All the best
Angie

On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep mode 
rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
description:

WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s super 
waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable pool 
pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in waist-deep, 
it hits you with waves of glorious sound.

Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has many 
more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore I 
assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
speaker.

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of bentleyj1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
water stream?

And, roughly , how much does it cost?

Thank you Sieghard,

James B

From: 
viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

All of the guide dog schools teach blind people to scoop up the poop

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And there is absolutely no reason why a guide dog user shouldn't have to clean 
up after their dog.

From: h.begum99 via VIPhone 
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The Washington Post

Yeah but then another blind person will probably come and walk over it which is 
disgusting!!! In my area there's lots of dog poo around on the street and you 
always feel extra apprehensive in case you step in it. Other people just go 
around or over it but of course blind people have no choice but to go through 
it if they are walking alone.


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exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now.

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog.

Simon


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From: Simon A Fogarty
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Yeah,

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The Washington Post
Importance: High

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping"

Simon


- Original Message -
From: CJ & AA MAY
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

Alison

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And there is absolutely no reason why a guide dog user shouldn't have to clean 
up after their dog.

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Yeah but then another blind person will probably come and walk over it which is 
disgusting!!! In my area there’s lots of dog poo around on the street and you 
always feel extra apprehensive in case you step in it. Other people just go 
around or over it but of course blind people have no choice but to go through 
it if they are walking alone.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: 26 May 2021 00:18
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exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now.

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog.

Simon


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From: Simon A Fogarty
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Yeah,

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping"

Simon


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From: CJ & AA MAY
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

Alison

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Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello Traci,

Try the following which should enable you to have Voiceover come through your 
iPhone rather than your Anker speaker.

Firstly, turn the speaker off if it is is not already off.

On your iPhone go to Settings and Bluetooth.

Locate your Anker speaker but do not double-tap it.

Instead flick up to More Info.

Double tap this.

If you swipe through the screen you should find a Device Type button.

Double tap this.

You should now have a list of device types you can select.  Choose Speaker and 
double-tap to select.

You can now  press Back and exit Settings, turn on your speaker and Voiceover 
should come through your iPhone.

Malcolm Parfitt

> On 26 May 2021, at 17:36, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I ended up buying two sound core flare twos. So far, they are cool 
> speakers. I’m disappointed that VoiceOver is on the speaker instead of my 
> phone. I still need to work out how to put the speakers in party cast. They 
> were a good price point and should work well for the patio.
> 
> I am very interested in the Sonos Roam. I like the hands free option. Plus, I 
> like the Sonos platform. Please keep us posted about the battery.
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 4:46 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Higher than I would think battery usage.
>>  
>> But good to know.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 3:10 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>>  
>> Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I 
>> turned it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check 
>> the battery.
>> I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
>> showd as 98%.
>> Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so 
>> it would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. 
>> This means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This 
>> continues without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery 
>> would be at 0% approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the 
>> Roam is turned off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
>> I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to 
>> hold at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and 
>> I don't use them.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Angie 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>>  
>> The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
>> days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning 
>> it off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off 
>> and the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.
>>  
>> All the best
>> Angie
>>  
>> 
>> On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>  
>> Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep 
>> mode rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
>> If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Richard 
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>  
>> www.turner42.com
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
>> definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
>> and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
>> Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
>> description:
>>  
>> WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s 
>> super waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your 
>> floatable pool pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when 
>> you’re in waist-deep, it hits you with waves of glorious sound.
>>  
>> Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has 
>> many more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore 
>> I assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
>> speaker.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>> bentleyj1...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>>  
>> Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
>> water stream?
>>  
>> And, roughly , how much does it cost?
>>  
>> Thank you Sieghard,
>>  
>> James B  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>>  
>> Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does 

RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

First of all there are only two types of bears here, Black Bears and Grizzly 
Bears. The Brown Bear used to live in Europe where it is largely extinct.
Secondly it is pointless to try and run from any bear because no human alive 
can outrun one, over a short distance a bear can run as fast as a horse.
Thirdly, no bear will ever chase me on an icy hill because both species crawl 
into a den around mid or late October and then sleep until early to mid April, 
I guess they don't like the snow and the cold either.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

Hey just so long as if they video you or say myself banging in to things,

They give us the url to  go check out the video so we can laugh at ourselves as 
well.


Mind you,
You have bigger issues during winter than we do here in NZ,

I’d like to hear / see the video of you running from a brown bear on an icie 
street / hill,

That could be rather funny so long as the bear doesn’t get you.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The Washington Post

Hey and it's not like I see them staring at me  藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 10:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The Washington Post

I just don’t care if people stare at me or not. If they wanna make me that 
important and take the time to stare at me that’s fine. Stay safe
Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

On May 25, 2021, at 11:51 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
well, to each his own. I’d rather use tech than that awful cane, and let’s 
face it everyone cares what people think of them. I grew up in a sighted world. 
the fewer things I can use that are blind-specific the happier I am, and we 
have no idea what these devices would look like. in a perfect world no one 
should care what things look like, but we all have concerns about how we look 
to other people. I’d hope I was surrounded by people who don’t care, and  could 
be free of any judgment, but that’s not the case. if you’re at a place where 
nothing truly bothers you I envy that, but I also don’t like the attitude I’ve 
seen here that it’s a stupid waste of time. Advancements that we can use are 
never a waste of time.



On May 25, 2021, at 11:33 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I agree that a cane does not help if somebody has no sense of direction, but to 
be embarrassed by it to make is not an issue and I think nobody should be 
embarrassed about whatever it is they need to be independent. This would be 
like somebody in a wheelchair being embarrassed that they have to use a 
wheelchair or somebody with a hearing aid being embarrassed they need one of 
those. How about people who lost a limb and have a prosthetic arm or leg, 
should they be embarrassed?
The fact is that we all are who we are and if you are embarrassed by the cane 
then where does that stop? Would you be embarrassed if you had to wear thick 
glasses and how about that future super backpack, people will still know that 
you are blind and the smart, high-tech content of said backpack will require 
all sorts of sensors and cameras to function which maybe more or less 
noticeable by others. And in any case, what do I care what others think? Maybe 
I care to a degree when it comes to people close to me, but if I were walking 
down the street and a bunch of idiots were openly pointing at me and laughing 
their heads off because of my cane then I would maybe pity them, but I sure 
wouldn't feel embarrassed by it.

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Believe it or not, most guide dog users can be taught to say this as well 
although I usually say it in slightly less offensive language.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 1:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The Washington Post
Importance: High

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping"

Simon


- Original Message -
From: CJ & AA MAY
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

Alison

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RE: authenticator explanation

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Authenticator apps are for accounts where you use 2-factor authentication. 
Typically after you put in your user name and password a code will be emailed 
or texted to you and you have to then enter this code. If you use an 
authenticator code, then the app will generate the code you use, of course you 
have to specify on whichever website, let's say on Dropbox, that you are using 
an authenticator app and you then have to set up the app for Dropbox which 
generally involves scanning a QR code on the computer screen.
With Microsoft, Google and some others this approach goes a step further in 
that your iPhone itself along with the Microsoft Authenticator app (in the case 
of Microsoft) is used for authentication. If I log into my Outlook.com account 
from a computer which is not on the trusted computer list, a notification is 
sent to the authenticator app on my iPhone. It pops up just like any 
notification on my phone and when I tap on it the authenticator app opens, I am 
asked if I want to allow or reject the login attempt and if I tap allow it uses 
my Face Id for verification and, in some cases, it even asks you to confirm one 
of three numbers which would be displayed on your computer's screen. So, for 
example, it may say "Tap the number displayed" and then on the computer screen 
let's say it shows the number 48, on my iPhone screen I see 17, 48 and 63 so 
then I tap on 48 and at this point the app communicates to my login attempt 
that everything was authenticated and I get logged in.
If you use 2-factor authentication for Google you can set it up to use the 
Google app on your iPhone for verification. It's currently probably one of the 
most secure methods because even if somebody had your phone they would not be 
able to authenticate the login because your Face Id or Touch Id would be 
needed. If you get the code sent to your iPhone via text message and as many do 
have it set up to show text messages on the lock screen, then as long as 
somebody had access to your phone they could log in and simply read the code 
which was sent on your lock screen.
It's actually somewhat ironic that you can set up 2-factor verification for 
many accounts such as Microsoft, Google, Apple, Dropbox etc. but most banks and 
credit card companies do not support or offer this.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anthony 
Borg
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 5:51 AM
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Subject: authenticator explanation

Hi

Can someone explain more fully the usage of the Authenticator app please?
Thanks in advance

Anthony
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Re: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Lisa Belville]

Hi, just a note to say that this also resolves the sound issue for the 
notification center when accessing it from the status bar.



Lisa


Lisa Belville
missktlab1...@frontier.com

On 5/26/2021 11:37 AM, Lisa Belville wrote:


Hi.  I think I have the answer.


I'm using an iPhone 12 Pro, but I think the settings should be the same.


First, sounds do have to be turned on in the rotor for this to work.  
It doesn't matter how the mute switch is set, this is totally a voice 
over issue.



Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voice Over, Audio, then Sounds/Haptics 
and double tap to get to this menu.



Make sure the sounds button says sounds are on.


Now move to the bottom of the screen and swipe to the Screen locked 
option and open it up.  .  Make sure the Sound is on.  I also use 
haptics for this, but sound is what you need, so. . . double tap to be 
sure it is on.  If not you'll here sound off.



If you double tap on preview, you'll only hear the sound the phone 
makes when the screen is locked, but it does work.



Now lock the phone, then wake it up and touch the lower right hand 
corner and you should have the first popping noise signalling you're 
in the right place to swipe up.



Hope this helps.


Lisa


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On 5/26/2021 9:36 AM, mickey.quen...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi:

The problem is not that the side switch is on mute.

The problem is that when she touches the bottom of the screen to get 
to the  home screen, she doesn’t here any sound to let her know  that 
she can slide up to the home or app switcher. She turned that off 
because she had an iPhone 8 which had a home button. When she 
restored from a backup when they set up her iPhone 12 Pro max, that 
option is still turned off.


I can not remember the name of that sound and can not turn it back on 
for her.


We’ve looked in accessibility, VoiceOver, where there is a “more” 
button which describes the gestures, but it doesn’t mention the sounds.


*From: *Simon A Fogarty
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:58 PM
*To: *viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject: *RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, 
Control center and App switcher


Have you / they checked the mute toggle on the side of the phone,

Left side above the volume buttns?

Ensure it is flicked towards the face of the phone

To unmute if that is what the issue is.

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
Of Mickey Quenzer


Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 10:56 am

To: viphone List 

Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, 
Control center and App switcher


Hello:

I have a perplexing problem.

I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your 
iPhone makes when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top 
of the screen. Does anybody know what that sound is called and how do 
you turn it back on?


I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I 
never wanted to turn it off!


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Switching over to Sonos S2 controler

[Traci Duncan]

Can people share their experience what it was like to switch over from the 
original Sonos app to the new one? Also, do all of the older speakers need to 
switch over at the same time? I have unpacked one speaker, but I am not sure 
where the second one is. We have two play ones.

If I end up buying a Roam, I know I will need to switch to the new app.

Thank you,
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Re: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Lisa Belville]

Hi.  I think I have the answer.


I'm using an iPhone 12 Pro, but I think the settings should be the same.


First, sounds do have to be turned on in the rotor for this to work.  It 
doesn't matter how the mute switch is set, this is totally a voice over 
issue.



Go to Settings, Accessibility, Voice Over, Audio, then Sounds/Haptics 
and double tap to get to this menu.



Make sure the sounds button says sounds are on.


Now move to the bottom of the screen and swipe to the Screen locked 
option and open it up.  .  Make sure the Sound is on.  I also use 
haptics for this, but sound is what you need, so. . . double tap to be 
sure it is on.  If not you'll here sound off.



If you double tap on preview, you'll only hear the sound the phone makes 
when the screen is locked, but it does work.



Now lock the phone, then wake it up and touch the lower right hand 
corner and you should have the first popping noise signalling you're in 
the right place to swipe up.



Hope this helps.


Lisa


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On 5/26/2021 9:36 AM, mickey.quen...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi:

The problem is not that the side switch is on mute.

The problem is that when she touches the bottom of the screen to get 
to the  home screen, she doesn’t here any sound to let her know  that 
she can slide up to the home or app switcher. She turned that off 
because she had an iPhone 8 which had a home button. When she restored 
from a backup when they set up her iPhone 12 Pro max, that option is 
still turned off.


I can not remember the name of that sound and can not turn it back on 
for her.


We’ve looked in accessibility, VoiceOver, where there is a “more” 
button which describes the gestures, but it doesn’t mention the sounds.


*From: *Simon A Fogarty
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:58 PM
*To: *viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject: *RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, 
Control center and App switcher


Have you / they checked the mute toggle on the side of the phone,

Left side above the volume buttns?

Ensure it is flicked towards the face of the phone

To unmute if that is what the issue is.

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Mickey Quenzer


Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 10:56 am

To: viphone List 

Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, 
Control center and App switcher


Hello:

I have a perplexing problem.

I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your 
iPhone makes when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of 
the screen. Does anybody know what that sound is called and how do you 
turn it back on?


I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never 
wanted to turn it off!


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Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?

[Traci Duncan]

Hi all, I ended up buying two sound core flare twos. So far, they are cool 
speakers. I’m disappointed that VoiceOver is on the speaker instead of my 
phone. I still need to work out how to put the speakers in party cast. They 
were a good price point and should work well for the patio.

I am very interested in the Sonos Roam. I like the hands free option. Plus, I 
like the Sonos platform. Please keep us posted about the battery.

Thank you,
Traci


> On May 25, 2021, at 4:46 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Higher than I would think battery usage.
>  
> But good to know.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 3:10 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Well, my Roam was fully charged at Noon on the day before yesterday. I turned 
> it off and didn't touch it except for turning it on briefly to check the 
> battery.
> I checked around 10 PM that night, so about 10 hours later, and the battery 
> showd as 98%.
> Now I just remembered to check again when I saw your message, it's 8 AM so it 
> would be 4 hours short of 2 days or 44 hours and the battery is at 58%. This 
> means a 42% drop in 44 hours which is roughly 1% an hour. If This continues 
> without slowing down or speeding up I would expect the battery would be at 0% 
> approx 100 or 105 hours after it was fully charged and if the Roam is turned 
> off and not used which is only just over 4 days.
> I use my Sony headset very rarely and even my Wonderboom 2 speaker seem to 
> hold at roughly the same battery level for weeks if they are turned off and I 
> don't use them.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Angie Nutt
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 6:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> The way I read it, when the Roam is turned off the battery can last up to 10 
> days. This likely depends on how much power is left at the time of turning it 
> off. We have some speakers from Blue Sound which don’t completely go off and 
> the longest mine has lasted when off was 6 days.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
>  
> 
> On 23 May 2021, at 18:00, Richard Turner  > wrote:
>  
> Sieghard, I wonder if tapping the on/off button just puts it into a sleep 
> mode rather than turns it off, hence the battery usage?
> If there is no true off, that is a terrible design flaw.
>  
>  
> 
>  
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>  
> www.turner42.com 
>  
>  
> 
> On May 23, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  > wrote:
> 
> 
> The Sonos Roam can be used in the shower as well, but the Wonderboom 2 is 
> definitely completely waterproof, you can throw it into the pool or the lake 
> and it floats and happily continues to play, rated to be submersible under 1 
> Metre of wateer (just over 3 feet) for up to 30 minutes). Here the brief 
> description:
>  
> WONDERBOOM 2 has one word for you: CANNONBALL. An IP67 rating means it’s 
> super waterproof, dust-proof, and built to make a splash. It’s your floatable 
> pool pal, your shower buddy, your summer soundtrack. Even when you’re in 
> waist-deep, it hits you with waves of glorious sound.
>  
> Logitech or maybe I should say Ultimate Ears which is part of Logitech has 
> many more similar speakers, some of them have Alexa capability and therefore 
> I assume can also be used as a speakerphone, but the Wonderboom 2 is just a 
> speaker.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of bentleyj1...@gmail.com 
> 
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 9:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Is this water proof enough to use in the shower if kept away from the direct 
> water stream?
>  
> And, roughly , how much does it cost?
>  
> Thank you Sieghard,
>  
> James B  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2021 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Water resistant bluetooth speaker?
>  
> Sorry, I meant to say "speakerphone, so it does not have a microphone
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 3:40 PM
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RE: Copyright laws around converting material for personal use

[Richard Turner]

OK, so I lied.
I have something to say here.

I decided to do some checking.
I think most will agree that Harvard University is a reliable source, if not, 
delete now.

Here is a section from their Office of General Council concerning the Fair Use 
of copyrighted material.  (in my opinion, this would cover personal use since 
it does not impact the copyright holder)

Fair Use of Copyrighted Material

What is "fair use"?

Fair use is the right to use a copyrighted work under certain conditions 
without permission of the copyright owner.  The doctrine helps prevent a rigid 
application of copyright law that would stifle the very creativity the law is 
designed to foster.  It allows one to use and build upon prior works in a 
manner that does not unfairly deprive prior copyright owners of the right to 
control and benefit from their works.  Together with other features of 
copyright law like the idea/expression dichotomy discussed above, fair use 
reconciles the copyright statute with the First Amendment.

What is the test for fair use?

The fair use defense is now codified in Section 107 of the Copyright Act.  The 
statutory formulation is intended to carry forward the fair use doctrine long 
recognized by the courts.  The statute provides that fair use of a work "for 
purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including 
multiple copies for classroom use, scholarship, or research)" is not an 
infringement of copyright.  To determine whether a given use is fair use, the 
statute directs, one must consider the following four factors:

  *   the purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a 
commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

  *   the nature of the copyrighted work;

  *   the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the 
copyrighted work as a whole; and

  *   the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the 
copyrighted work.

These factors are not exclusive, but are the primary-and in many cases the 
only-factors courts examine.  The following questions consider each of these 
four factors in turn.

What considerations are relevant in applying the first fair use factor-the 
purpose and character of the use?

One important consideration is whether the use in question advances a socially 
beneficial activity like those listed in the statute: criticism, comment, news 
reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research.  Other important considerations 
are whether the use is commercial or noncommercial and whether the use is 
"transformative."

Noncommercial use is more likely to be deemed fair use than commercial use, and 
the statute expressly contrasts nonprofit educational purposes with commercial 
ones.  However, uses made at or by a nonprofit educational institution may be 
deemed commercial if they are profit-making.

In recent years, the courts have focused increasingly on whether the use in 
question is "transformative."  A work is transformative if, in the words of the 
Supreme Court, it "adds something new, with a further purpose or different 
character, altering the first with new expression, meaning or message."  Use of 
a quotation from an earlier work in a critical essay to illustrate the 
essayist's argument is a classic example of transformative use.  A use that 
supplants or substitutes for the original work is less likely to be deemed fair 
use than one that makes a new contribution and thus furthers the goal of 
copyright, to promote science and the arts.  To quote the Supreme Court again, 
transformative works "lie at the heart of the fair use doctrine's guarantee of 
breathing space within the confines of copyright."[1] 


Courts have also recognized, however, that non-transformative uses may be 
socially beneficial, and that a use does not have to be transformative to 
support a finding of fair use.  The Supreme Court has cited reproduction of 
multiple copies for classroom distribution as the most obvious example of a 
non-transformative use that may be permitted as fair use in appropriate 
circumstances.  The Court's emphasis on whether a use is transformative, 
however, makes it difficult to know how to weigh uses that are for non-profit 
educational purposes but are also non-transformative.  In addition, it could be 
argued in some circumstances that verbatim copying of a work for classroom use 
is "transformative," in that (to quote from the Court's definition) the 
instructor is adding "something new, with a further purpose or different 
character, altering the first with new expression, meaning or message" in the 
course of presenting the material.

Other factors that sometimes weigh in the analysis of the first fair use factor 
include whether the use in question is a reasonable and customary practice and 
whether the putative fair user has acted in bad faith or denied credit to the 
author of the copyrighted work.

What considerations are 

Re: which phone

[Kay Malmquist]

OK, I went with the Mini.  It seems to have the same specs and I like small. 
I should wait for the 13, but it can't wait.  Thanks for the input.

Kay Malmquist
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-Aristotle.


- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Yates" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: which phone


I, too, would recommend the mini. I've had mine since December and have been 
pleased.
Danney

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:47 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>
> ?I would go with the Mini. It has the same functionality as the regular
> size 12 in a size that fits into a pocket or your hand.  I used to own
> an iPhone 5 and liked the smaller screen for typing and navigating
> apps.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>> On 5/24/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> The SE has the same chip as the 11. So the 12 has a newer chip with 
>> slightly
>> better processing ability.
>> But again, if one can wait a little while there may be features coming in
>> the 13 that will make that a better choice. Plus, once the 13 is 
>> released,
>> the prices on the 12's will drop.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>
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>>
>>
>> On May 24, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Holly  wrote:
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>> ?
>> And the SE 2020 is only $400.
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Copyright laws around converting material for personal use

[Richard Turner]

I have nothing to say here, but you all need a topic that actually addresses 
what the discussion has become about the Audible stuff.



Richard
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Re: which phone

[Dan Yates]

I, too, would recommend the mini. I’ve had mine since December and have been 
pleased.
Danney 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2021, at 12:47 AM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> 
> I would go with the Mini. It has the same functionality as the regular
> size 12 in a size that fits into a pocket or your hand.  I used to own
> an iPhone 5 and liked the smaller screen for typing and navigating
> apps.
> 
> Kelly
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5/24/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> The SE has the same chip as the 11. So the 12 has a newer chip with slightly
>> better processing ability.
>> But again, if one can wait a little while there may be features coming in
>> the 13 that will make that a better choice. Plus, once the 13 is released,
>> the prices on the 12's will drop.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>> 
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>> 
>> And the SE 2020 is only $400.
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RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[richring]

Are you an attorney?Can you prove your statements? I doube it!

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now that 
Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc.


Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the 
> digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, 
> because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you 
> agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
>> Or if you can, I have never heard of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
>> what they become by it."
>> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>>
>> Web site: www.turner42.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
>> worth reading and considering
>>
>> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from 
>> audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
>> mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot 
>> of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled 
>> my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, 
>> it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write 
>> me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.
>>
>>> On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is
>>> offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything,
>>> however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
>>> One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to
>>> spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend
>>> who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available
>>> through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
>>> My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or
>>> especially Kindle.
>>> I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download
>>> an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
>>> She would buy the book.
>>> But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with
>>> Amazon.
>>> That's BS!
>>> I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not
>>> holding my breath.
>>> My friend really needs human read books.
>>> So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn
>>> powerful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
>>> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>>>
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
>>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
>>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
>>> CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are
>>> written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such
>>> the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to
>>> offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many
>>> people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would
>>> make many of them feel insantly defensive.
>>>
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio
>>> books, worth reading and considering
>>>
>>> Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence,
>>> that is your right.
>>> The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
>>> I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this
>>> country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, 
>>> period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
>>> discuss people." -- 

Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Joshua Hendrickson]

When it comes to audible, I'd just rather use my iPhone to listen to
titles.  The audible plus stuff which is free stuff, can only be
downloaded on to your iPhone.  I just have so much stuff from bard,
bookshare, graphic audio and other places, I'm not really looking for
a lot of audio books at the moment.  Audible is rather down on my list
these days.  Audible is okay and I'm glad I have a membership, but I'm
not really using it or thinking about it much these days.  I'll pay my
$230 next year so I can get my 24 credits.  I have the most expensive
plan because I can get 3 books with 3 credits for around $30 instead
of $35. Also, if you use the audible app, you can purchase one credit
for one book through your audible app for $15 should you wish.

On 5/25/21, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now
> that Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc.
>
>
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
>
> On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off
>> the digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal,
>> because when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you
>> agreed to in order to purchase the rights to use the books.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
>>> Or if you can, I have never heard of it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard
>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
>>> what they become by it."
>>> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>>>
>>> Web site: www.turner42.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio
>>> books, worth reading and considering
>>>
>>> What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book
>>> from audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
>>> mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a
>>> lot of audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I
>>> canceled my audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or
>>> bookshare, it really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have
>>> audible, write me off list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.
>>>
 On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
 As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is
 offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything,
 however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
 One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to
 spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend
 who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available
 through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology
 book.
 My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or
 especially Kindle.
 I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download
 an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
 She would buy the book.
 But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with
 Amazon.
 That's BS!
 I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not
 holding my breath.
 My friend really needs human read books.
 So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn
 powerful.



 Richard
 "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
 discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
 rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
 C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
 wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
 CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
 CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0


 On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 
 Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are
 written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such
 the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to
 offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many
 people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would
 make many of them feel insantly defensive.

 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
 To: 

RE: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Larry Lumpkin]

I have no difficulty putting audible books on our streams. I just download them 
and point Humanware companion to the folder where they are.


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Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, worth reading and considering

[Maria Campbell]

It's not illegal if you convert the book you purchased, especially now 
that Audible has made it difficult to put books on our Streams, Treks, etc.



Maria Campbell
lucky1i...@gmail.com

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
--Edmund Burke

On 5/25/2021 1:27 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have heard of a couple of these programs that you can use to strip off the 
digital rights management from audible recordings. But it’s not legal, because 
when you do that, you are violating the terms of service that you agreed to in 
order to purchase the rights to use the books.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 25, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

Excuse me, but you cannot convert audible books to mp3.
Or if you can, I have never heard of it.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what they 
become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio books, 
worth reading and considering

What I'd do, is have your friend give you the money, and buy the book from 
audible.  That's what I'd do.  I would just convert the book to
mp3 format there you go.  No problems.  Audible is still cheaper then a lot of 
audio book places, so I will continue to use it.  However, if I canceled my 
audible membership, I'd still have so many books from bard or bookshare, it 
really wouldn't matter to me.  Richard, if you don't have audible, write me off 
list and I'll see what I can do to get the book.


On 5/25/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
As someone who has an Amazon Prime membership, yes, that is
offputting, which is why I said I do not agree with everything,
however it raises huge concerns about access to books.
One example that sent me over the edge which is why I decided to
spread the word about this, is I was trying to get a book for a friend
who is a 90-year old Sister of Providence. The book is only available
through Audible. It was written 7 years ago and is a Catholic theology book.
My friend cannot deal with learning new software like audible or
especially Kindle.
I was hoping to get it from Libro.fm where you can actually download
an MP3 file and play it on any device, like her BARD book player.
She would buy the book.
But, the author/publisher, someone, signed an exclusive agreement with
Amazon.
That's BS!
I've written the author to see if something can be done, but I'm not
holding my breath.
My friend really needs human read books.
So, that is one real life example where Amazon is getting too damn
powerful.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0


On May 25, 2021, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


Maybe my statement came across the wrong way, but if such articles are
written to raise awareness of issues regarding book access and such
the author should do so in a more objective way which is not going to
offend the majority of people who read this. Let's face it, how many
people order from Amazon and statements like "Amazon is evil" would
make many of them feel insantly defensive.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 8:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blog post about Audible/Amazon limiting access to audio
books, worth reading and considering

Well, if you want to close your mind because of one stupid sentence,
that is your right.
The rest of the article is quite informative in my opinion.
I do not know how libraries work in Canada, but libraries in this
country are quite upset by this trend because it limits access to books, period.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cfd95d2a655b340082a9d08d91f9d57a5%7
C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637575582901799642%7CUnkno
wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=U%2BBWSiL9MCwrMZ2O8mR6yeRNTWfgNWa9tx1Gu
CkK1%2BQ%3Dreserved=0



On May 25, 2021, at 8:48 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I stopped reading at the sentence "We all know that Amazon is evil".
It's just as stupid and narrow-minded as saying as "Facebook is evil"
or "the government is evil".

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Richard Turner
Sent: 

RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Richard Turner]

Call Apple Accessibility 877-204-3930



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mickey.quen...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 7:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

Hi:
The problem is not that the side switch is on mute.
The problem is that when she touches the bottom of the screen to get to the  
home screen, she doesn't here any sound to let her know  that she can slide up 
to the home or app switcher. She turned that off because she had an iPhone 8 
which had a home button. When she restored from a backup when they set up her 
iPhone 12 Pro max, that option is still turned off.

I can not remember the name of that sound and can not turn it back on for her.
We've looked in accessibility, VoiceOver, where there is a "more" button which 
describes the gestures, but it doesn't mention the sounds.

From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

Have you / they checked the mute toggle on the side of the phone,
Left side above the volume buttns?

Ensure it is flicked towards the face of the phone
To unmute if that is what the issue is.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 10:56 am
To: viphone List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
and App switcher

Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?
I've never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
to turn it off!

***  MQ ***

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RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Afik Souffir]

Hi
Did you checked on voiceover, activities?
Its could be there.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mickey.quen...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 5:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

Hi:
The problem is not that the side switch is on mute.
The problem is that when she touches the bottom of the screen to get to the  
home screen, she doesn't here any sound to let her know  that she can slide up 
to the home or app switcher. She turned that off because she had an iPhone 8 
which had a home button. When she restored from a backup when they set up her 
iPhone 12 Pro max, that option is still turned off.

I can not remember the name of that sound and can not turn it back on for her.
We've looked in accessibility, VoiceOver, where there is a "more" button which 
describes the gestures, but it doesn't mention the sounds.

From: Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

Have you / they checked the mute toggle on the side of the phone,
Left side above the volume buttns?

Ensure it is flicked towards the face of the phone
To unmute if that is what the issue is.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 10:56 am
To: viphone List mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
and App switcher

Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?
I've never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
to turn it off!

***  MQ ***

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RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[mickey.quenzer]

Hi:

The problem is not that the side switch is on mute.

The problem is that when she touches the bottom of the screen to get to the  
home screen, she doesn’t here any sound to let her know  that she can slide up 
to the home or app switcher. She turned that off because she had an iPhone 8 
which had a home button. When she restored from a backup when they set up her 
iPhone 12 Pro max, that option is still turned off.

 

I can not remember the name of that sound and can not turn it back on for her.

We’ve looked in accessibility, VoiceOver, where there is a “more” button which 
describes the gestures, but it doesn’t mention the sounds.

 

From:   Simon A Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 5:58 PM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

 

Have you / they checked the mute toggle on the side of the phone,

Left side above the volume buttns?

 

Ensure it is flicked towards the face of the phone 

To unmute if that is what the issue is.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer

Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 10:56 am

To: viphone List 

Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
and App switcher

 

Hello:

I have a perplexing problem.

I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?

I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
to turn it off!

 

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[Shirley Tracy]

Alison, I applaud your post. I agree with you.    Shirley Tracy From: CJ & AA MAYSent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 3:49 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post I truly don’t believe anyone should feel embarrassed or self-conscious about being blind. My Creative Writing Group have often commented how rarely any of my pieces are sight-related. I’m not deliberately shying away from it, but neither is it my main focus. I am blind, but I am also tall, married, retired etc. etc., and I don’t keep writing about any of those factors, and for me at least, blindness is just one more thing that I am.Alison  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia robinsonSent: 26 May 2021 00:32To: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post I don’t really think of being blind, ever. it’s just not something that means much to me or the people I’m close to. I don’t run from it. it’s just a nonissue. it doesn’t make me strong or who I am. it doesn’t anymore define me than sight defines my husband, and there are tons of blind people I’ve talked to who have been shielded from the sighted world, which is what I meant when I said that, but this is getting offtopic now I think. I say bring on the tech. if I can hold something that looks more like something mainstream I’m happy.On May 25, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote: Um, A sighted world? I think that’s what we all grow up in, I lost my sight at 22 so approx. 30 years ago, I’ve used both cains and dogs, I’m happy to try other options that might give me as good if not better independence than I already have with my cain currently.  But hey having a cain doesn’t change who or what I am, And I’m not embarrassed by being blind or having to be seen with a cain,It’s part of who I am and what makes me the stronger person I am, People need to face up to their disabilities not try and run away from them.Use it for the good it can give you in your society. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/531DA995-3F25-43DA-89A4-1493CCE77D8D%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/009301d75203%24b0de30d0%24129a9270%24%40gmail.com. 



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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[h.begum99 via VIPhone]

Yeah but then another blind person will probably come and walk over it which is 
disgusting!!! In my area there’s lots of dog poo around on the street and you 
always feel extra apprehensive in case you step in it. Other people just go 
around or over it but of course blind people have no choice but to go through 
it if they are walking alone.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: 26 May 2021 00:18
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

exactly, yet another point in the robot's favour. although here in the UK, I 
believe guide dog users are exempt from having to clear it up. I know they used 
to be anyway, but not sure if that is still the case now. 

 

and yet another point, is that the robot one should take you to exactly where 
you want to go, even if you have no idea of how to get there, and no sense of 
direction, where as that would probably be a heck of a lot to ask from the 
standard guide dog. 

 

Simon 

 

 

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From: Simon A Fogarty   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 11:52 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

Yeah,

 

And it wont poo on the street needing you to then clean it up.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
goshawk on horseback
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:58 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post
Importance: High

 

possibly, but unlike the real dog, one won't have to be so concerned about it 
getting too distracted by such attention, and the robot one could very easily 
even be programmed to say something along the lines of, "buzz off, I'm trying 
to do a job here, and you are not helping" 

 

Simon 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: CJ   & AA MAY 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 9:51 PM

Subject: RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

By nature, people are curious. Anything different will attract their attention. 
Rightly or wrongly, one of the things I like about being a guide dog owner is 
that I feel the attention tends to go to the dog rather than me. A robot guide 
dog is likely to draw just as much attention.

 

Alison

 

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Re: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Robert Doc Wright]

Mickey, have them turn their rotor to sound then with one finger flick up or 
down to turn sounds back on. This is the only way I have been able to 
duplicate what you have described.
- Original Message - 
From: "CJ & AA MAY" 

To: 
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Is it worth doing a re-set?
Alison


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Sent: 25 May 2021 23:56
To: viphone List 
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center and App switcher


Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone 
makes when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. 
Does anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?
I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never 
wanted to turn it off!


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Re: Search field gone twitterrific

[Ioana Gandrabur]

Hi, 

Thanks for your answer. I did see that one but it gives me tweets from all 
around twitter, not just from my feed. 
In the release notes they say something about multiple ways to start a search 
but no luck. 

I'll write them. 

Thanks for any other ideas, 

Ioana

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2021, at 6:44 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> It looks like search has been moved to the sidebar. If you open up the 
> sidebar button you will find a search button in there. Why the search field 
> was removed I have no idea.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2021, at 1:25 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> Since a few updates ago I cannot find the search field in my twitterrific 
>> feed. I used to be able to search for a key word and see only tweets in my 
>> list that matched it. 
>> Now I just land in the list and cannot find the edit search field anywhere. 
>> Any ideas before I contact the developer? 
>> 
>> Thanks, 
>> 
>> Ioana
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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authenticator explanation

[Anthony Borg]

Hi 

 

Can someone explain more fully the usage of the Authenticator app please? 

Thanks in advance 

 

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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[mickey.quenzer]

Hi Richard: 

yeah I did report it via the feedback form.

I am working withapple accessibility the tech support person is Brad.

but I didn’t see a case number created or anything like that so maybe you can 
maybe we should have a discussion we know if I can call you or you can call me 
but I am I do need to get smarter about reporting things because I seem to find 
them so thanks for all your help.

 

I hope I can mail this one down, because it’s still in Beta 7.

 

 

 

 

*** MQ ***

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 2:53:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers 

 

You should report it through the beta feedback form as well if you haven't. 

I'll report it if you share the case number so the reports will all show up 
under the same issue.

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

www.turner42.com

 





On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:

 

Hello Richard: just wanted to let you know that The problem can also be created 
with Apple Music.

Sieghard, I thought this problem existed earlier than that but yes I am on the 
latest update of iOS and I also can create the problem with the beta software 
for iOS. I have reported it to Apple Accessibility for the current  Version 
14.5 iOS as they don’t track the beta software issues.

 

 

*** MQ ***

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:34:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers 

 

Have  you updated to 14.5? This was not an issue prior to that update.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

I use bluetooth speakers and headphones with bard and voice over all the time.  
I've never had a problem where voice over is louder then my bard book.  I also 
have change with buttons off when it comes to volume.

On 4/28/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Which speaker do you have?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, 
> but what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com 
>  >
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> Hello everybody:
> I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the 
> problem with their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the 
> problem for them.
> And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it 
> throughout the day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else 
> can cause the trouble to because it’s very consistent it happens on my 
> iPhone X my iPhone
> 12 so I’ll keep you posted.
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf 
> of Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your 
> phone all the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the 
> volume on your speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to 
> make sure it is all the way down. Now, start turning up the volume on 
> your phone until the volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have 
> to turn up the volume on your speaker, rather than the phone. 
> Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around with it to see if you can fix 
> it.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer 
> mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard:
>
> Change with Buttons Is off.
>
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
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> 

Re: Search field gone twitterrific

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
It looks like search has been moved to the sidebar. If you open up the sidebar 
button you will find a search button in there. Why the search field was removed 
I have no idea.

Greg Wocher


> On May 26, 2021, at 1:25 AM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> Since a few updates ago I cannot find the search field in my twitterrific 
> feed. I used to be able to search for a key word and see only tweets in my 
> list that matched it. 
> Now I just land in the list and cannot find the edit search field anywhere. 
> Any ideas before I contact the developer? 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Ioana
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: ClubHouse And ClubDeck Are They Really What They Proclaim To Be

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Hello everyone,

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Welcome to this massive episode, 86, of the Blind Tech Guys.

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Wow, what an episode this turned out to be, so if you wanted to know more about 
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On this week’s episode, Marco spoke with accessibility specialist and all-round 
great guy Neil McCullough, who walked our listeners through how to use 
ClubHouse, and the developers of ClubDeck, Pierre Stanislas and Philippe 
Breuils, plus Kirt demonstrates Spotify and how accessible it is on an Android 
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Re: A problem with Facebook and external links

[Donna Casteen]

Yes, most voiceover users are having this problem. There is 2 work arounds for 
this problem. 1st, the 2 finger scrub gesture works to return you to the 
previous page. 2nd, if you have an iPhone 10 or newer, toggling on Screen 
Recognition & tapping in the upper left corner will return you to the previous 
page. Don't forget to turn SR off once you are back to where you want to be.

Donna

> 
> Hello everyone
> Have you noticed that since last updates of Facebook there is a problem with 
> external links
> Or is it just a my problem?
> When I open some external link on Facebook it is impossible to come back from 
> this link so I need to close Facebook on the app switcher
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A problem with Facebook and external links

[Rafał Marzec]

Hello everyone
Have you noticed that since last updates of Facebook there is a problem with 
external links
Or is it just a my problem?
When I open some external link on Facebook it is impossible to come back from 
this link so I need to close Facebook on the app switcher

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Re: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[Dennis L]

That depends. Do you have a backup to restore from?


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone

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MAY 
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Subject: RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control 
center and App switcher

Is it worth doing a re-set?
Alison


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Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
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Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?
I’ve never had this problem before. Mine has always worked and I never wanted 
to turn it off!

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RE: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center and App switcher

[CJ & AA MAY]

Is it worth doing a re-set?
Alison


-Original Message-
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Quenzer
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Subject: Question about sound used to identify the Home screen, Control center 
and App switcher

Hello:
I have a perplexing problem.
I am working with a client who has turned off the sound that your iPhone makes 
when you slide up from the bottom or down from the top of the screen. Does 
anybody know what that sound is called and how do you turn it back on?
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to turn it off!

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RE: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - The Washington Post

[CJ & AA MAY]

I truly don’t believe anyone should feel embarrassed or self-conscious about 
being blind. 

My Creative Writing Group have often commented how rarely any of my pieces are 
sight-related. I’m not deliberately shying away from it, but neither is it my 
main focus. I am blind, but I am also tall, married, retired etc. etc., and I 
don’t keep writing about any of those factors, and for me at least, blindness 
is just one more thing that I am.

Alison

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alia 
robinson
Sent: 26 May 2021 00:32
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Could a smart backpack replace guide dogs? Researchers think so. - 
The Washington Post

 

I don’t really think of being blind, ever. it’s just not something that means 
much to me or the people I’m close to. I don’t run from it. it’s just a 
nonissue. it doesn’t make me strong or who I am. it doesn’t anymore define me 
than sight defines my husband, and there are tons of blind people I’ve talked 
to who have been shielded from the sighted world, which is what I meant when I 
said that, but this is getting offtopic now I think. I say bring on the tech. 
if I can hold something that looks more like something mainstream I’m happy.

On May 25, 2021, at 7:23 PM, Simon A Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com> > wrote:

 

Um,

 

A sighted world?

 

I think that’s what we all grow up in,

 

I lost my sight at 22 so approx. 30 years ago,

 

I’ve used both cains and dogs,

 

I’m happy to try other options that might give me as good if not better 
independence than I already have with my cain currently.

 

 

But hey having a cain doesn’t change who or what I am,

 

And I’m not embarrassed by being blind or having to be seen with a cain,

It’s part of who I am and what makes me the stronger person I am,

 

People need to face up to their disabilities not try and run away from them.

Use it for the good it can give you in your society.

 

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RE: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

[CJ & AA MAY]

I downloaded the latest IOS update yesterday and noticed that in the voices 
option, there is now an item called Siri. Is this just where you can change the 
Siri voice?
Alison


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: 26 May 2021 01:52
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

Pete,

My new remote should arrie today or tomorrow I don't have atmos either but I'm 
just keen to get my hands on the jog and direction features of the new device 
to see if it makes any difference in direction / and betters useability 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 12:04 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote

Ok. So, since I’ve found out the vizio sound bar I have doesn’t support Dolby 
atmos, I feel better about upgrading the remote only. I’m hoping that with the 
new remote and voiceover, I’ll be able to navigate easier up and down rather 
than just across. Also, I seem to be entering the rotor by accident with the 
old touch screen remote. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
Facebook.com/lpnalda Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On May 25, 2021, at 6:09 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Note the apple tv 4k (new) supports the dolby atmos format,
> 
> But without the speakers to work with it you don't just get dolby 
> atmos,
> 
> 
> 
> If the home pods support atmos,
> Great but does your sound bar?
> 
> I believe the newer sonos arc and base do but my sonos play bar 
> doesn't, Neither do the sonos play 1 speakers.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Ed Worrell
> Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 5:24 am
> To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
> 
> Mary,
> 
> I am using a LG 4k TV. I honestly couldn’t tell you more than that though. As 
> long as you have the new Apple TV, you’ll be able to use the Dolby Atmos 
> audio as the Apple TV is what makes that possible. The toughest part of the 
> Dolby Atmos is finding content that supports the format. I haven’t found any 
> as of right now. I’ll keep looking though.
> 
> I had the sound bar set up in a different HDMI port and for some reason I was 
> still getting audio through it, but it was with a 1 second delay or so. I 
> made using both the HomePods and the sound bar unbearable. I even turned off 
> the ARC function on the Apple TV and just tried using the sound bar with the 
> HomePods connected via Airplay like I use to with the 4th gen Apple TV, and 
> the delay was still there as well.
> 
> I might have to just stop using the sound bar all together in the living room 
> and stick with the HomePods, I find the audio to be better rounded and voices 
> are much clearer as well.
> 
> Ed
> 
> 
>> On May 25, 2021, at 9:41 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> There are instructions for how to get that audio to come through the 
>> homePod. It sounds like you did that. And once done, I had the impression 
>> that all the audio would go to the HomePods, and nothing to the sound bar. 
>> So I’m sort of surprised you’re getting any sound from the sound bar. But 
>> apparently you also have to have a TV with the ability to pass through 
>> certain formats. I’m trying to figure out if my fire TV will make the grade. 
>> I want the Dolby Atmos etc. What sort of TV are you using?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On May 25, 2021, at 7:56 AM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> I have also noticed some weird behaviors with the HomePods… 1. If 
>>> you have a sound bar connected directly to the Apple TV or your TV set and 
>>> your HomePods connected with Airplay to the Apple TV there is a noticeable 
>>> lag with the audio from the sound bar. I am beating my head over the desk 
>>> trying to figure out how to fix the lag in the audio. Currently I have only 
>>> my HomePods connected with Airplay and I am also using the ARC channel so 
>>> that my TV, Playstation 5 and my wife's Nintendo Switch come through the 
>>> HomePod speakers. I am actually pleased with the sound quality and I might 
>>> not even reconnect the sound bar.
>>> 
>>> Ed
>>> 
>>> 
 On May 24, 2021, at 7:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Thanks for telling us about this new remote,
 
 I'm waiting on mine to arrive,
 
 Hopefully tomorrow!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf 
 Of Ed Worrell
 Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2021 10:21 am
 To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
 Subject: Re: Voiceover and the new Siri remote
 
 Hello Mary,
 
 The new Apple TV remote is a large improvement from the previous model. I 
 would compare it to the 3rd generation Apple TV, with some of the features 
 of the Apple TV HD and up.
 
 1. It has physical buttons arranged in