Re: coupon announcments on my iPhone

[deidre muccio]

Wow, well that’s one more reason I don’t want to update to higher versions of 
16! You might try going into notifications and making sure that receiving 
notifications from Apple is turned off.

Deirdre


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> On Jan 1, 2023, at 7:04 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> 
> What is odd is that my sighted husband could not see the word coupon written 
> on the screen.
> Yes, a happy new year to everyone an any thanks for all the help you have 
> offered during the past year.
> Alison
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Debby
> Sent: 01 January 2023 11:52
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: coupon announcments on my iPhone
> 
> I have been wondering about this too. I have an iPhone 13 mini running 
> 16.1.2. (I am at this moment updating to 16.2.) Sometimes when I flick around 
> I hear the word "coupon" spoken. Or sometimes it is the word "logo." I make 
> sure that screen recognition is turned off. One day it was so bad I shut down 
> the phone and came back up. After that it was all right for a while, but 
> randomly it starts doing it again. It can be somewhat annoying.
> 
> Thanks for any help and Happy New Year!
> 
> Debby 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ & 
> AA MAY
> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2023 5:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: coupon announcments on my iPhone
> 
> Recently I have been receiving intermittent announcements of coupon - what is 
> this all about?
> Alison
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: 01 January 2023 02:02
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
> 
> Carolyn, a lot of people are whingeing about 16.2, but it’s working fine on 
> my iPhone 14 pro max.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 31 Dec 2022, at 00:05, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> If I were you and had the sounds, I wouldn't go to 16.2; wait for 16.3. I 
>>> have a 14 Pro, so will have the tones, but I have heard too much about 
>>> 16.2, and do not intend to update until 16.3 is available. 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stewart McKay
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2022 1:51 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> funny but i havbe an iphone eight and i have the sounds as well.  i haven't 
>>> updated to 16.2 yet but if what everyone is saying i will lose them too.  
>>> but it is strange that when i updated to 16.1 they were enabled even though 
>>> they weren't supposed to be for my model On 12/30/2022 1:15 PM, Carolyn 
>>> wrote:
>>> I think that both Start Up and Shut Down are only on the 14 models.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2022 8:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: iPhone startup and shutdown tones
>>> 
>>> Are they available on the iPhone 13 pro?  Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Low List Traffic?

[deidre muccio]

I get probably a minimum of five posts a day.

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> On Dec 10, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Dulce Muccio Weisenborn 
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> I'm not seeing very many posts.
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Re: stopping dictation

[deidre muccio]

I agree 100%. I put in my report with a long list quite some time ago. It’s the 
same with any kind of advocacy work like  grassroots City making policy issues. 
 It’s not great when the same  One or two persons are giving public comment 
versus  10   Different speakers; makes all the difference – the more the better.

Deidre


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> On Nov 30, 2022, at 11:59 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> What is key in reporting issues, is that Apple receives reports from lots of 
> different people.
> Multiple reports from the same person on the same issue does nothing but take 
> up time.  If only a handful of people are reporting an issue, it could be 
> something with their particular setup so Apple won't prioritize that.
> 
> However, if lots of different people report the same issue, then it is clear 
> to them it is not an isolated issue.
> 
> Just my thoughts.
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CHELA 
> Robles
> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:55 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
> 
> Anyway, I think Apple thinks I’m stupid maybe because they obviously cannot 
> replicate on their end in regards to Siri and dictation which I think they 
> should be able to but I think it’s hit or miss with Apple accessibility. you 
> know, priorities. but I guess if we all just keep doing what we do in regards 
> to reporting these issues, maybe they’ll get to it like someone else said in 
> the thread. Much faster hopefully. I know dictation has been really messy for 
> a very long time, but so has Siri. At least since version 16 I have version 
> 16.1.1. I went from version 15 the last iteration of version 15 to 16.1.1 and 
> that’s when I discovered issues.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 30, 2022, at 8:18 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Siri is not good at recognizing :natural" speech; it often has a particular 
>> syntax it wants. I think Siri recognizes "dial" such and such a person. Even 
>> so, I've had to change names in my contacts before because even if I only 
>> have one Michael, Siri sometimes comes up with a short list of other names 
>> completely unrelated. I find that most annoying too.  
>> 
>>   Deidre
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Thomas Frank
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 10:18 AM
>> To: VIPhone via 
>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>> 
>> Yes. When I ask Siri to call someone she asks”What do you want to know about 
>> ’someone’?”  I resist the urge to say, “I want to know why you don’t 
>> understand me, you …” I just say “CALL someone and she does. Annoying but an 
>> easy work around.
>> Thomas Frank
>> vermont...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Nov 30, 2022, at 10:01 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah Siri gets quite a blot of that stuff screwed up since 16. I haven't 
>>> done any updates since 16 because though there might have been some minor 
>>> bug fixes with voice over and dictation, I do not want to be further 
>>> disappointed. I often send messages on my back up old phone that has no 
>>> phone service because I can still add to Siri dictated messages outside the 
>>> message app and it will add to them without losing the first part of the 
>>> already dictated message, which is what Siri now does. Losing those 
>>> functions kind of defeat using Siri in such a context, that is, more 
>>> spontaneously without having to go into the message app. Maybe it has to do 
>>> with the function capacity of the SE 2nd generation phone. 
>>> 
>>> Deidre
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>>> Rash
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:27 AM
>>> To: Viphone 
>>> Subject: Re: stopping dictation
>>> 
>>> Also, I notice that when I say, “call Tom Smith,”  Siriwill reply, “What do 
>>> you want to know about Tom Smith.”
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Re: reviewing messages sent with siri

[deidre muccio]

Well I revert back to my 6S for sending text messages and things that require 
more extensive dictation because I do not like hooking my phone up to a 
Bluetooth keyboard mostly because I don’t care to have extra things lying 
around and I don’t have a lot of extra surface workspace. So that’s 
unfortunate. I’ve got an SE 2020 that doesn’t work so well since updating to 
16. But it’s the phone I have phone service on so it’s the phone I use plus of 
course can’t use the 6S with the version it has on it for many of the apps that 
required updating, which is fine. I don’t mind updating but I do mind it when 
it’s a buggy update!
Deidre

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> On Oct 19, 2022, at 11:09 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> It seems at this point  you can't any more unless you start the text message 
> in messages and use the "Dictate" button.
> I am also a bit ticked off at this, before after I told SIRI to send a text 
> message and it would repeat it back I could just touch the screen and then 
> near the top I'd find my message and I could double tap on it and edit any 
> mistakes and this seems to be no longer possible.
> Maybe Apple thinks Siri is perfect now and there is no need for editing but 
> of course this is BS because Siri sometimes is ridiculous when it comes to 
> writing stuff nobody said.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Paula 
> Jordan
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: reviewing messages sent with siri
>  
> Hi all. Yet one more IOS 16 question. How can you review text messages sent 
> with siri before sending? Thanks again. You guys are great!
> God bless!
> Paula and the pups
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Re: Strange issue with my app switcher

[deidre muccio]

Just to let you know, on my SE 2020, any app I have open requires me to swipe 
twice to get to an area to either activate or close that particular app. So I’m 
getting mirror copies one is kind of a dead screen and announces phone and then 
I have to swipe to the right to get through other apps that they are open to 
get to a place where I can close anyone of them. So I’m getting duplicate 
window announcements as well. And that’s been true since the first 16 update. 
On average I might have three apps Open or four or five by accident open at any 
one time.
Deirdre


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> On Oct 15, 2022, at 3:43 AM, Katrina Anderson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Sieghard so much!  As soon as I read what you said about only 
> needing to hold in on the side button, I recalled being corrected about this 
> before.   Ugh!  My old brain is losing or mixing up information more and 
> more these days.  ☹ Do you know if there was ever a time when we had to hold 
> in on both the down volume and side buttons?  If not, where did I get that 
> from, and why can't I let it go?  Anyway, after doing it correctly, the phone 
> did reset; no improvement with the app switcher, but at least for now, I only 
> need to double tap on notifications.
>  
> FYI, I had tried resetting network settings; process carried out fine, but 
> again no improvement.  Also, Siri won't reboot for me, no matter how I phrase 
> the request; the responses include something like I can't do that, I don't 
> understand, and BTW Siri doesn't speak those responses...I have to swipe to 
> read what is on the screen.  Could Siri not cooperating with my request to 
> reboot, and the app switcher issue, be due to my having an older phone, an 
> iPhone 8?
>  
> My iPhone 8 is not performing as well as I would like; huge issue is the 
> battery, so that is why I'm tempted to purchase the 14 Pro.  I know you and 
> others recommend those with more current models wait to get a new phone next 
> year, but again the iPhone 8 is not performing well.  I'm hesitating to make 
> the purchase as it seems like a huge challenge to deal with the IOS 16 
> learning curve, changes due to no home button, configuring a new phone, etc.  
> When the Apple employee said people are "not able to access the app switcher 
> and control center when using voiceover", It caused me to back off.  But, it 
> seems you and others aren't having that kind of problem so he probably was 
> mistaken, or I misheard him.  Anyway, I guess I need to have faith all will 
> ultimately be fine and make the purchase, as I really need better performance 
> and because I wonder if a newer phone will function better with IOS 16.
>  
> Until I make the purchase, fingers crossed that IOS 16.1 will remove some 
> annoyances.
>  
> Katrina
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2022 1:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Strange issue with my app switcher
>  
> Hello Katrina,
>  
> First of all, it sounds to me like maybe something went not quite right with 
> your update because I have not heard of any issues with people being able to 
> power off their phone in the usual way, e.g. press volume up, press volume 
> down and then press and hold the side button for about a second or two until 
> the power off screen comes up.
> You mention the "double tap to power off", "emergency call" and "cancel" 
> screen. Just FYI, there is no emergency call on that screen and hasn't been 
> for some time.
> Also, you say to do a hard reset you press volume up and volume down and then 
> you hold volume down and the side button at the same time. I assume it is no 
> surprise that this won't force a hard reset because it is the wrong button 
> press combination. Yes, you press volume up followed by volume down, but then 
> all you do is press and hold the side button for maybe a 12 to 15 count 
> depending on how fast you count.
> Also, in iOS 16 you can simply tell Siri "Reboot my phone", you will be asked 
> "Just to confirm, you want to restart this device", then you say "Yes" and 
> the phone reboots, nothing to press or do, just wait until the lockscreen 
> comes back up.
> I have an iPhone 11 and while I am on the iOS 16.1 Beta after using the 
> official iOS 16 and 16.02 release for a short time, I don't recall the app 
> switcher issue to be present for every app, e.g. if you had 10 apps open if I 
> remember correctly only the last one was listed twice.
> Anyways, I would highly recommend you maybe start with a simple reboot, if 
> that doesn't help try Settings > General > Reset and select "Reset Network 
> Settings. This will require you to re-enter your Wi-Fi password and name you 
> r phone again in Settings > General > About, but it can often have some quite 
> beneficial results.
> If that also doesn't help make sure you have a backup and completely reset  
> your phone.
>  
>  
> -Original 

Re: Really miss the add featureto dictated messages

[deidre muccio]

After I have stopped talking and Siri asks me what I wanna do what she asked me 
is do you want to send or change. I have tried adding instead of changing and 
that’s when there’s a problem. It doesn’t work like it used to.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> You can still add to messages using Siri.
> When it asks if you are ready to send it, just say "add to it."  Then it 
> asks, what do you want to add, say your addition, and then say send it when 
> it asks, or say add to it again.
> My test just now, it read back the whole message with the addition before 
> asking me if it should send it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
> 
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> 礪
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 9:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Really miss the add featureto dictated messages
> 
> Does it bother anybody else that dictates text messages that you can no 
> longer add to a message but that you can only change it? I know sometimes 
> anything you add might delete what was in the edit field before if you’re not 
> in the message app. But often it works. I really miss the ad feature as 
> opposed to having to change the whole message again. Sort of forces me to go 
> into the message app and use that since that never causes any problems. but I 
> like to do things as quickly as possible.The updates makes many things 
> more arduous. There’s more layering. And I can’t stand it. Does anybody else 
> feel this way?
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Really miss the add featureto dictated messages

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Nope. Not working that way am I a SE 2020. I doubt there’s a setting I am 
missing. It only allows me to change it. Not at. I can use the command ad but 
it will take that dictation but than it Deletes anything that I’ve dictated 
earlier  in the same message. 
I am talking about dictating a message from the home screen, not from within 
the message app. Within the message app it’s pretty full proof, dictation that 
is.

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> On Sep 28, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> You can still add to messages using Siri.
> When it asks if you are ready to send it, just say "add to it."  Then it 
> asks, what do you want to add, say your addition, and then say send it when 
> it asks, or say add to it again.
> My test just now, it read back the whole message with the addition before 
> asking me if it should send it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
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> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 9:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Really miss the add featureto dictated messages
> 
> Does it bother anybody else that dictates text messages that you can no 
> longer add to a message but that you can only change it? I know sometimes 
> anything you add might delete what was in the edit field before if you’re not 
> in the message app. But often it works. I really miss the ad feature as 
> opposed to having to change the whole message again. Sort of forces me to go 
> into the message app and use that since that never causes any problems. but I 
> like to do things as quickly as possible.The updates makes many things 
> more arduous. There’s more layering. And I can’t stand it. Does anybody else 
> feel this way?
> 
> 
> 
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Really miss the add featureto dictated messages

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Does it bother anybody else that dictates text messages that you can no longer 
add to a message but that you can only change it? I know sometimes anything you 
add might delete what was in the edit field before if you’re not in the message 
app. But often it works. I really miss the ad feature as opposed to having to 
change the whole message again. Sort of forces me to go into the message app 
and use that since that never causes any problems. but I like to do things as 
quickly as possible.The updates makes many things more arduous. There’s 
more layering. And I can’t stand it. Does anybody else feel this way?



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Notification center

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How do I get rid of notification center notifications. I have notifications 
turned on for Phone and calendar appointments and reminders. I turned off  mail 
because the phone would be pinging constantly.  I don’t need to see these 
duplicate mmessages announced  with a long list of all these things. I can 
check that manually myself. I hate all this redundancy. I never look forward to 
updates either but this might be an old problem not a new one. 
Did they ever fix Facebook, I have to access it on my old 6S otherwise I can’t 
enter anything into an edit field in the what’s on your mind or add a caption 
to something I’m posting and sometimes comments too. I really hate these bugs.
I wonder sometimes if beta testers are using their Bluetooth keyboards too much 
to do testing when some of us are still really prefer touch gestures. Yes using 
a Bluetooth keyboard might make things more efficient and less buggy but I do 
not want to be attached to a Bluetooth keyboard all the time.


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Re: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot

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VickyWhat an ordeal. Clever you, but not the sort of thing you have the desire to be spending that much time doing right? This thing about voice over not working until you’ve unlocked. Your phone is totally unacceptable. I just turned mine off altogether. I can’t be in years past I never seem to get my thumbprint down right, so I didn’t even bother this time either. And forget about facial recognition for now. finding that place to tell the phone to lock after three minutes or one minute or turn it off altogether can be a bit of a job too. Sent from my iPhoneOn Sep 18, 2022, at 11:21 PM, Vicky Collins  wrote:I had this same thing happen with both my 12 Mini and 13 Mini Friday night, but I haven’t had the problem with either phone since. I’m using the default Samantha voice, and I had no problems when upgrading to iOS 16. With the 13 Mini, I had turned the phone off to get rid of that one unread message badge I often get now when I receive a text message on one of my phones and delete it right after reading. Since I have text message forwarding set up on both of my phones, the phone on which I don’t read the text shows that badge until I either recover the message I have deleted on the other phone or until I reboot that phone on which I haven’t read the message. Anyway, after turning that iPhone 13 Mini back on, VoiceOver did not speak or make any sounds, and nothing I did from trying to talk to Siri, using headphones, turning up the volume button, doing the triple click of the side button or force restarting the phone would bring back the speech. I finally got my 12 Mini to read the screen with Seeing AI, and after pressing the side button to get it where it needed to be, it finally read the slide to unlock or whatever it says, and I lucked into getting the phone into the correct position with the slide I did, and then I miraculously entered the passcode correctly and VoiceOver started talking once again. Before getting to this point, though, I had had enough unsuccessful attempts at entering that passcode to where I had to wait the fifteen minutes before I got the opportunity that actually let me unlock the phone and restore VoiceOver. As for my 12 Mini, while I had turned it off for the same reason as the 13 Mini, meaning another text message badge I wanted to get rid of as I had permanently deleted a message on the 13 Mini and thus couldn’t recover it on the 12 Mini to get rid of that badge, I wasn’t nearly as fortunate with recovering VoiceOver. For, even though I practiced positioning my fingers on the 13 Mini so I would be ready when I could get the 12 Mini to that unlock position, I somehow managed to enter the incorrect passcode every time, figuring this since VoiceOver never did start talking. I let this go on for my opportunity to enter the passcode after an hour, but when that attempt failed and the screen read that my 12 Mini would now be disabled for three hours, I decided to try other things. I couldn’t connect the phone to the computer and try to see if I could bring up the accessibility settings in iTunes because I had turned off the USB accessories setting that would’ve let USB accessories connect after the phone had been locked for an hour. I couldn’t turn the phone off as I normally do by pressing the volume up, then the volume down, and then pressing the side button for a second or two, and I was afraid to try to turn the phone off with holding the side button and one of the volume buttons as I didn’t want to risk calling 911 by mistake, so I wasn’t able to put the 12 Mini in recovery mode either. Oh, although VoiceOver didn’t work, I was able to call either phone when VoiceOver wasn’t working and each would ring even though there was no speech except me hearing myself when I would occasionally get that swipe just right and I managed to get a call connected. Thus, what I wound up doing in the end, as I certainly wasn’t going to knock on a neighbor’s door late at night, was that I went into the Find My app on my 13 Mini, erased the iPhone 12 Mini, and then set up the 12 Mini again restoring it from the iCloud backup I had thankfully done the day before. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Arnold SchmidtSent: Thursday, September 15, 2022 9:17 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Another Phone That Won't Talk After Reboot I have a friend, who has a 13 Pro, that experienced the same issue as described earlier. He turned it off overnight, and this morning, VoiceOver would not respond when he turned it on. Neither turning up the volume, nor doing the three-finger double tap would fix it. He said the clicks he heard when touching the screen were not the clicks heard when speech simply had been turned off.  He had to get a sighted person to enter his pass code before it would work. He is a good iphone user, he said that nothing he tried would get it to work. I hope these are isolated incidents, I put it out there for others to test. He said that he had had no problem with IOS 16, until this 

Haptic sensors in iPhone SE.

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That is because the home button does not click, it has haptic motion sensors… 
Added little springs. Those settings can be tweaked. I don’t happen to like it 
or didn’t at first but I pretty much ignore it now and have as much of that 
turned off as I can.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Karen Poulakos  wrote:
> 
> 
> It’s really hard for me to tell whether the Home button is actually moving or 
> not.  I’ve heard that it doesn’t.  When I put pressure on it, I feel what 
> feels more like a slight knock, or a single vibration, in the phone itself, 
> rather than under my finger.  It’s a different response than with my first 
> generation SE.  Hard to describe.
>  
> Ok, I just pulled out my old phone.  That button moves much more than what I 
> am feeling with my new phone.  There was also a slight clicking sound from 
> the button on my old SE.  I don’t think the button on the SE2022 is moving.
>  
> The functionality of these devices is totally amazing to me.  Guess that’s 
> because I remember when phones were wired into our homes.  When I was young, 
> back in the 50’s, we even had a Party line.  For you younger people, that was 
> a line shared between 2 or more families, who may not even live next to each 
> other.  If you picked up the receiver and heard someone talking, you would 
> have to hang up and wait till they were finished before making your call.  
> Back then we only had to dial 5 digits to make a local call, until they added 
> new prefixes, then it was 7 digits.  And the first 2 digits were indicated by 
> letters of the alphabet, rather than numbers.
>  
> Those were the days. . .
>  
> Karen P
>  
> From: 'Crayton Benner' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 7:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE.
>  
> I thought that the second generation had the physical home button. Maybe not? 
> I could be wrong about that. 
> Kind regards,
> Crayton Benner
> 
> 
> On Aug 13, 2022, at 07:17, bentleyj1...@gmail.com wrote:
>  
> The home button on the SE second and third generation can’t wear out or allow 
> water in to the phone.  They are not mechanical buttons.  No moving parts.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> James B  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Michael Feir
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2022 5:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone SE.
>  
> Apple had some good reasons for abandonning the home button. They ware out 
> over time. Also, not having a home button improves water resistance. One way 
> to feel the results of the gestures which replace the home button for 
> VoiceOver usders is to go into VoiceOver audio settings and set the haptics 
> to a higher percent. This makes those indicator bumps easier to feel. 
> Personally, even without taking that step, I've never had a problem feeling 
> the bumps even when I can't hear the sounds. I don't miss the home button at 
> all.
>  
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 2:25 AM Curtis Delzer  wrote:
> I hear it has a home button, my friend will get his tomorrow, should I 
> tell him it handles finger prints like the older models do? In many ways 
> I still wish I had a home button. I believe it a serious error of Apple 
> not to include home buttons in their later models of the iPhone. I 
> contend it makes it harder to use, not easier; every try and hear that 
> little sound or feel it while any background noise is happening? Or, can 
> you enter the home button via voice command instead of that back press 
> work around action?
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Re: Prime Video

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I so prefer Netflix. It’s very easy to automatically set anything that’s audio 
described to come up. And they’ve got a ton of new stuff all audio described. 
In fact you can almost bet on anything new coming up including audio 
description. Prime really irritates me that there’s so few audio described 
movies or series.
Deirdre

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> 
> Good morning,
>  
> I am a Prime Video subscriber.
> I received an email today announcing a new series for this fall, The Rings of 
> Power, The Lord of the Rings.
>  
> The show will not be on the air until September 2, 2022, but there is a 
> trailer.  When I went to the web site to check out the trailer, I began 
> exploring the details about the show.
>  
> They list all the various subtitle languages, but only one audio language, 
> English.  Nothing about Audio Description.
>  
> Other shows show English [Audio Description] if it is available.
>  
> I called Amazon Accessibility and was transferred to Prime Video support.
>  
> The guy I spoke with was told by whomever he checked with that when it says 
> “audio language English” that means also with audio description.  That is 
> clearly a load of bull.  The guy I was talking to checked a couple of shows I 
> suggested and they have the words Audio Description in brackets following the 
> word English if they have the audio description track.
> So, while it is 9 months before the release of the show, I asked that he 
> provide feedback to the team that audio description needs to be included.
> And, if it is going to be included, they should add that to the web site.
>  
> Amazon Prime Video support has its own phone number.  If you ever need or 
> want to call them, it is 888-280-3321
>  
> Later,
>  
> Richard
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Reminder alert are in the last months my reminders are not being verbally spoken or at least when the alert comes in. I hear a tone but I’m missing the actual announcement. I’m more likely to hear the

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I’m a few updates in the rears. I’m not even sure I’m on 14 yet. Or 14 two.

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Re: uninstallingskillsthrough the Alexa App

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Kimberly, yes they didn’t work for me. I didn’t notice the date on that file. 
Someone sent it to me. I didn’t do what you had said just rather intuitively or 
maybe someone I saw some other instructions elsewhere. I had someone cited to 
come in today and she figured out an area where you could in fact enable or 
disable something but it was a little tricky to find. Yeah, it was anyway it’s 
in our whole general area of skills and not discover but there’s there’s three 
tabs on that page your skills discover and a third one I think we got into 
where we wanted to to disable and enable things through that third tab.
Deidre 
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> On Mar 7, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
> 
> These instructions are somewhat out of date. There is no longer a menu 
> button in the upper left-hand corner of the screen. Instead you have to tap 
> on the more tab in the lower right hand corner of the screen to get to The 
> screen where you’ll find skills and games. However when you tap on a skill, 
> at least using voiceover, no disable button appears. So there must be a 
> different way to delete a skill.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
> True peace is not merely the absence of tension; it is the presence of 
> justice.—Martin Luther King Jr.
> 
>>> On Mar 7, 2021, at 9:12 AM, deidreandlou...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Robert,
>> I copied below a link to the instructions  I tried to follow. Maybe you will 
>> have better success with the instructions than I did.
>>  
>> https://www.howtogeek.com/262355/how-to-uninstall-alexa-skills-from-your-amazon-echo/
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Re: New Echo

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Oh, Joshua, that’s too bad. Kind of defeats the purpose of being in the kitchen 
cooking and needing to   pause the playing for whatever reason without having 
to touchthe phone with messy fingers! Sound coming from the speaker though it’s 
definitely superior to that of my phone if it’s not hooked up to my stereo.
My echo just started making a funny noise and I couldn’t figure out what it was 
about. Then I remembered I said a timer. It’s a noise I never would’ve 
associated with a timer since it’s not any kind of noise I’ve ever heard on my 
iPhone. I wonder if I can reset the sound to something else. These are the 
questions I have. I looked in Settings a few days ago at the sounds heading and 
didn’t see any way to set anything specific. Have I missed something? I guess I 
could address this to the other list which I subscribe to by Brad‘s 
recommendation. I think I associate these questions with the accessibility 
capacity  since it’s an app on my phone which is why I continue to ask 
questions here. Plus I never got a response to my first post to the other list! 
I’ll try again.
Deirdre

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> On Mar 7, 2021, at 8:42 AM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> As for Bard books, I do play them on my Alexa through my phone but I have 
> found that when I say pause or stop it doesn't work.  I still have to 
> manually stop it on my phone.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New Echo
> 
> You have to understand the way these devices work.
> The Alexa app on your phone is primarily an interface to adjust settings on 
> your Echo speaker, add skills and so on. Yes, it is to some extend also 
> allowing you to use your iPhone like an Alexa speaker, e.g. ask questions or 
> give commands just as you would to your Echo speaker.
> As far as playing books on your Echo speaker which in fact are playing on 
> your phone like BARD, in this case you basically use yur Echo speaker just 
> like you would any Bluetooth speaker, e.g. you pair it to your phone and the 
> whatever you play on your phone plays via your Echo. But because the Echo is 
> a smartspeaker you can obviously take it one step further, i.e. once a book 
> is playing you can ask your speaker to pause or resume or skip forward or 
> back, on a regular Bluetooth speaker you would do these things by pressing 
> the appropriate button. But I don't think you can pair your Echo to your 
> phone and then tell it to play a BARD book unless you first start the book in 
> your BARD app.
> Audible is a different matter because Amazon owns Audible hence it's very 
> seamlessly integrated into Echo speakers and as long as you are signed into 
> your speaker with the same Amazon account you use for Audible the Alexa 
> assistant has access to your Audible library.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Echo
> 
> Joshua, 
> Wow this just opened up   a new door for me! Thank you. I knew I was missing 
> something that should’ve been doable. Pairing it, Bluetooth, got it. I 
> might’ve seen that somewhere in settings and wasn’t sure exactly what it 
> would be doing, but if you say it can do it I’m sure it can do it.Admitte 
> admittedly I was confused about why I could run the echo even without 
> Bluetooth since I thought it was indeed linked to my phone via the Alexa app. 
> I don’t have Bluetooth on. But I guess I’ll turn it on if I wanna do 
> something like have it read me a Bard book. Thank you again.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> 
>> I can use my google home to easily access bard mobile on my iPhone if 
>> I wish.  I'm sure the echo is the same.  What you do, is first tell 
>> your echo to connect.  It will then say searching, then should connect 
>> to your iPhone.  Note, you must first make sure that you have paired 
>> your echo to your iPhone in order for this to work.  Next, open bard 
>> mobile app on your iPhone.  Hit your play button of your bard mobile 
>> app and your book will begin to play.  Now, stop playback of your bard 
>> book.  Now, tell your echo to play, and your bard book will begin to 
>> play.  You can do things like say stop and your book will stop, if you 
>> tell your echo next or back, then your bard book will go forward or 
>> back by chapter if the mark-up in the book is by chapter.  Good luck.
>> 
>>>> On 3/6/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> You must be buying really tiny cantaloupes *smile* I would say the

Re: removing skills

[deidre muccio]

Hello Robert,
I’ve had to select your skills more than once sometimes more than twice before 
it will stay selected. Not sure what that’s about. And then it tells me I have 
five skills enabled. end it is not obvious what those five skills are. And some 
of the language isn’t clear either. it suggest things and then it asked me if I 
want to see more options or open and I’m not sure what the difference is 
between those two things. If it’s open then I’m assuming maybe that’s one of 
the enabled skills that came with the echo automatically. when  I ask Alexa 
then I get a list of five things that sound like categories but I don’t know 
what’s within them, things such as sounds games, music, quiz, trivia. That will 
be my next stepping off point, to see what I can do within each category and 
which of them is of interest to me.

There are subjects on things I don’twanna see suggested but I don’t know how to 
state  other preferences. sometime in the last few days I probably did select a 
few things that might’ve been of interest to me, that is if I’m remembering it 
correctly, but it was a very shoddy list didn’t really include much nuance. Or 
it didn’t include many subcategories. maybe it’s audible I’m thinking of. 
I’m not sure if there’s a guide to the echo instead of all these piecemeal bits 
of things I received via email I get from Amazon about exploring new features. 
Or from Podcasts or from various different sources. It be nice to have a 
systematic manual type pamphlet. Actually there’s something that  came with the 
echo maybe I should have someone look at it or scan it and see if that’s what 
it contains.
Good luck in figuring it out. I did have a document that was step by step 
instructions on how to uninstall skills but like foryou, it was quirky and 
actually where it said to go to do what I needed to do was not a way to get 
atit. I had to do it a different way.
Deidre


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> 
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> Where do I need to go to remove skills in the A ap? I have double tapped more 
> then skills/games. When I chose my skills it does not stay selected.
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Re: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!

[deidre muccio]

How I love this list for all these reasons. Simple fixes. Complicated ones too.

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> On Mar 6, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> Actually Joshua's directions seem to be correct, if you go to the Book 
> Details you do have both a Play and a Download button for titles which are 
> not already downloaded. If you already downloaded the title there is simply a 
> Play button.
> I very much thank Joshua for this little bit of information because I 
> honestly had never noticed it and when I just tried this with a book I had 
> not downloaded it seems to work just fine.
> I tapped Play and the book started playing, I listened for a minute and then 
> stopped the book and when I went back into book details I still had both the 
> play and download buttons and when I went to the Downloaded tab in my Library 
> the book I had just played was not there so it definitely seems to be 
> streaming.
> This is very useful, but I wish Audible added this functionality to the rotor 
> options, e.g. instead of just "Activate", Mark as Finished, Add to Favorites 
> and Add to Collection they could add a "Stream" option, in this case the 
> "Activate" default function could still be set to download a book, but if you 
> wanted to stream the title you could just flick down once to "Stream" instead 
> of having to swipe right to menu, activate it, then activate Book Details and 
> find the Play button.
> I will read this one book where I tried this entirely this way because I also 
> want to see if once I finish it will be marked as finished. If so I think I 
> will probably end up streaming most of my books because I am usually at home 
> on WiFi and in any case, for the short periods of time when I am out and 
> about like when I walk to work (about 20 minutes) I have so much data that I 
> never use it all up anyways and I can still download a book if I have to. In 
> fact, I think Audible should make streaming the default just like with apps 
> such as Netflix where you have to download the movie if you want to otherwise 
> it just streams.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
> 
> As far as I know, once upon a time, long, long, ago, you could stream audible 
> books with the audible app, but I think now it automatically downloads the 
> book when you begin to play it.
> 
> Other than using an Echo device, I find no way to simply stream an audible 
> book.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
> 
> Maybe this is different in the US, I am in Canada and I have not found a way 
> to stream a book from Audible on my iPhone.
> What exactly do you do to stream a book instead of downloading it?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
> 
> I like the audible app very much.  I could easily connect my google home to 
> my iPhone, then listen to any audible book on my iPhone I wanted.  I like the 
> app gives you a choice, if you want to download your audible book to your 
> iPhone you can do so, but can also stream your book on your iPhone as well.
> 
>> On 3/6/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> It does have a link to "Download app" in that email you forwarded.
>> Also, strictly speaking you don't have to download any apps. You can 
>> listen on the website via the cloud player or whatever they call it or 
>> if all you want to do is listen on your Echo, just buy the book you 
>> want and once that is done ask  your Echo to play it.
>> Of course the Audible app on the iPhone is fantastic, very accessible 
>> and it allows you to download a book and listen to it anywhere anytime.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidreandlou...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
>> 
>> Wow lousy instructions on how to get started with a new  service. 
>> Should it have been obvious in order to do anythingwith Audible I 
>> first need to download the App? Am I that stupid?
>> The mailings have a lot of graphics,and how I hate table formats.
>> 
>> From: Audible.com 
>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Welcome to Audible Plus!
>> 
>> Ready to explore a new world of listening? ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ ‌ 

Re: New Echo

[deidre muccio]

Thanks. I understood that first time around. I’m some days pretty smart other 
days a little slow. I’m smiling.

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> On Mar 6, 2021, at 12:26 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Only if you connect it as a Bluetooth device and start playing the book on 
> your apple device.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
> realize that you are in a hurry.
> 
> 
> My web site, www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> pattigj1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 9:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: New Echo
> 
> Did I miss something?  Can you read a Bard book on the Echo now?
> Patti
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 11:46 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New Echo
> 
> Joshua, 
> Wow this just opened up   a new door for me! Thank you. I knew I was missing 
> something that should’ve been doable. Pairing it, Bluetooth, got it. I 
> might’ve seen that somewhere in settings and wasn’t sure exactly what it 
> would be doing, but if you say it can do it I’m sure it can do it.Admitte 
> admittedly I was confused about why I could run the echo even without 
> Bluetooth since I thought it was indeed linked to my phone via the Alexa app. 
> I don’t have Bluetooth on. But I guess I’ll turn it on if I wanna do 
> something like have it read me a Bard book. Thank you again.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> 
>> I can use my google home to easily access bard mobile on my iPhone if 
>> I wish.  I'm sure the echo is the same.  What you do, is first tell 
>> your echo to connect.  It will then say searching, then should connect 
>> to your iPhone.  Note, you must first make sure that you have paired 
>> your echo to your iPhone in order for this to work.  Next, open bard 
>> mobile app on your iPhone.  Hit your play button of your bard mobile 
>> app and your book will begin to play.  Now, stop playback of your bard 
>> book.  Now, tell your echo to play, and your bard book will begin to 
>> play.  You can do things like say stop and your book will stop, if you 
>> tell your echo next or back, then your bard book will go forward or 
>> back by chapter if the mark-up in the book is by chapter.  Good luck.
>> 
>>>> On 3/6/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> You must be buying really tiny cantaloupes *smile* I would say the 
>>> fourth gen Echo is more like a slightly larger tennis ball, sorry, 
>>> I'm not too familiar with baseball, but I think that is more like it.
>>> I bought my wife the version which has a clock display which she 
>>> loves because if she wakes up at night she can just glance at it to 
>>> know what time it is.
>>> At my office I just set up the Echo Show 5 which is the smallest Echo 
>>> with a screen and I primarily bought it because it makes it very easy 
>>> to connect to my ring video doorbell with just a voice command.
>>> However, you still wouldn't be able to just play movies, yes, you 
>>> could set up YouTube I think, but if  you want to use it you would be 
>>> better off with a Google smart speaker with screen since Google owns 
>>> YouTube and it's already integrated. I am not sure about Amazon prime 
>>> Video on the Echo Show, we just never use it for that. With a Google 
>>> speaker with screen, whatever they call it, you can also play 
>>> anything on your iPhone like Netflix or in the TV app and send it to the 
>>> Google via Chromecast.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>>> Of deidre muccio
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 5:06 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: Daniel Macdonald 
>>> Subject: Re: New Echo
>>> 
>>> I believe what I have is an echo fourth generation. It’s about the 
>>> size of a cantaloupe. No it does not have a screen. Maybe I will get 
>>> a little one with a tiny screen or the smaller screen so that I can 
>>> just watch movies without having to touch my phone. Thanks for cluing 
>>> me into what was should’ve been obvious. Anyway I’m playing around 
>>> with this looking at commands seeing I still have a lot of work to do 
>>> to streamline it’s recognizing the specific podcast and things like 
>>> that that I want to play. This morning it’s doing a pretty good job 
>

Re: New Echo

[deidre muccio]

Joshua, 
Wow this just opened up   a new door for me! Thank you. I knew I was missing 
something that should’ve been doable. Pairing it, Bluetooth, got it. I might’ve 
seen that somewhere in settings and wasn’t sure exactly what it would be doing, 
but if you say it can do it I’m sure it can do it.Admitte admittedly I was 
confused about why I could run the echo even without Bluetooth since I thought 
it was indeed linked to my phone via the Alexa app. I don’t have Bluetooth on. 
But I guess I’ll turn it on if I wanna do something like have it read me a Bard 
book. Thank you again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:03 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I can use my google home to easily access bard mobile on my iPhone if
> I wish.  I'm sure the echo is the same.  What you do, is first tell
> your echo to connect.  It will then say searching, then should connect
> to your iPhone.  Note, you must first make sure that you have paired
> your echo to your iPhone in order for this to work.  Next, open bard
> mobile app on your iPhone.  Hit your play button of your bard mobile
> app and your book will begin to play.  Now, stop playback of your bard
> book.  Now, tell your echo to play, and your bard book will begin to
> play.  You can do things like say stop and your book will stop, if you
> tell your echo next or back, then your bard book will go forward or
> back by chapter if the mark-up in the book is by chapter.  Good luck.
> 
>> On 3/6/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> You must be buying really tiny cantaloupes *smile*
>> I would say the fourth gen Echo is more like a slightly larger tennis ball,
>> sorry, I'm not too familiar with baseball, but I think that is more like
>> it.
>> I bought my wife the version which has a clock display which she loves
>> because if she wakes up at night she can just glance at it to know what time
>> it is.
>> At my office I just set up the Echo Show 5 which is the smallest Echo with a
>> screen and I primarily bought it because it makes it very easy to connect to
>> my ring video doorbell with just a voice command. However, you still
>> wouldn't be able to just play movies, yes, you could set up YouTube I think,
>> but if  you want to use it you would be better off with a Google smart
>> speaker with screen since Google owns YouTube and it's already integrated. I
>> am not sure about Amazon prime Video on the Echo Show, we just never use it
>> for that. With a Google speaker with screen, whatever they call it, you can
>> also play anything on your iPhone like Netflix or in the TV app and send it
>> to the Google via Chromecast.
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 5:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: Daniel Macdonald 
>> Subject: Re: New Echo
>> 
>> I believe what I have is an echo fourth generation. It’s about the size of a
>> cantaloupe. No it does not have a screen. Maybe I will get a little one with
>> a tiny screen or the smaller screen so that I can just watch movies without
>> having to touch my phone. Thanks for cluing me into what was should’ve been
>> obvious. Anyway I’m playing around with this looking at commands seeing I
>> still have a lot of work to do to streamline it’s recognizing the specific
>> podcast and things like that that I want to play. This morning it’s doing a
>> pretty good job of doing it, Meaning I’m getting the syntax down that Alexa
>> is best at recognizing. I meant to write listen to movies not watch since I
>> wouldn’t be able to see a thing on any screen.
>> Deirdre
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Daniel MacDonald
>>  wrote:
>> Helli,
>> 
>> The dot to dot podcast is a great one to listen to. It[s demos of various
>> echo skills. Also for more in-depth demos, the echo show podcast is good. It
>> would help us if we new what kind of Echo you have. As far as enabling video
>> skills, that is limited to echos with screens, the echo show and it’s
>> variants, and the echo spot. The echo show comes in five, eight, and ten
>> inch sizes. The only echo you can watch Amazon is the echo show. To enable
>> some skills, go to the amazon Alexa app to more. You’ll find an area called
>> skills and games. You can also enable skills by voice if you know the skill
>> name.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:15 PM,
>> mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>>
>> mailto:deidreandlou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Someone gave me a gift of a new Echo. Some basic set up has been done today.
>> I've re

Audible, Download or stream

[deidre muccio]

I could be wrong, but using Alexa for instance I just add it to the library and 
then I ask Alexa to play it and I’m assuming it has not been downloaded. Like I 
said though I could be wrong. But you can easily check that by looking at what 
books you have downloaded to see if it did in fact do it or not! Last time I 
looked there was zero books download it. Maybe they  download when you bring 
them up to play them? I’ll have to double check that later.


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> On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:07 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Maybe this is different in the US, I am in Canada and I have not found a way 
> to stream a book from Audible on my iPhone.
> What exactly do you do to stream a book instead of downloading it?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 8:05 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
> 
> I like the audible app very much.  I could easily connect my google home to 
> my iPhone, then listen to any audible book on my iPhone I wanted.  I like the 
> app gives you a choice, if you want to download your audible book to your 
> iPhone you can do so, but can also stream your book on your iPhone as well.
> 
>> On 3/6/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> It does have a link to "Download app" in that email you forwarded.
>> Also, strictly speaking you don't have to download any apps. You can 
>> listen on the website via the cloud player or whatever they call it or 
>> if all you want to do is listen on your Echo, just buy the book you 
>> want and once that is done ask  your Echo to play it.
>> Of course the Audible app on the iPhone is fantastic, very accessible 
>> and it allows you to download a book and listen to it anywhere anytime.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidreandlou...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
>> 
>> Wow lousy instructions on how to get started with a new  service. 
>> Should it have been obvious in order to do anythingwith Audible I 
>> first need to download the App? Am I that stupid?
>> The mailings have a lot of graphics,and how I hate table formats.
>> 
>> From: Audible.com 
>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Welcome to Audible Plus!
>> 
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Re: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!

[deidre muccio]

Yes, I just had to download the audible app and then look through all the 
different offerings that I qualified for with audible plus which is somewhat 
limited. Bunch of old classics and occasional real jewel by an author that I 
like. Most of the searches I did came up empty. For my favorite authors, that 
is.  I like that I don’t have to download them unless I have some reason to 
keep A paA particular book, which I have no need for  given that I already use 
Bard and Learning Ally and I can access them easily as well. So I’m set. I  had 
to update to 14.4 in order to download the audible app! I did it on my old 
phone, not my new phone, to check it out. There just a few little linguistic 
things that I findirritating, such as new labels for things and some processes 
are a little more laborious than they were beforehand. I can’t think of which 
ones it was that I encountered in the last day that kind of irritated me but 
whatever the phones working just fine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I like the audible app very much.  I could easily connect my google
> home to my iPhone, then listen to any audible book on my iPhone I
> wanted.  I like the app gives you a choice, if you want to download
> your audible book to your iPhone you can do so, but can also stream
> your book on your iPhone as well.
> 
>> On 3/6/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> It does have a link to "Download app" in that email you forwarded.
>> Also, strictly speaking you don't have to download any apps. You can listen
>> on the website via the cloud player or whatever they call it or if all you
>> want to do is listen on your Echo, just buy the book you want and once that
>> is done ask  your Echo to play it.
>> Of course the Audible app on the iPhone is fantastic, very accessible and it
>> allows you to download a book and listen to it anywhere anytime.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> deidreandlou...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:06 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Audible's welcome pageFW: Welcome to Audible Plus!
>> 
>> Wow lousy instructions on how to get started with a new  service. Should it
>> have been obvious in order to do anythingwith Audible I first need to
>> download the App? Am I that stupid?
>> The mailings have a lot of graphics,and how I hate table formats.
>> 
>> From: Audible.com 
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Re: Echo or Alexa Show

[deidre muccio]

Brad,
Thank you, I am subscribed. I think I had to get rid of the sent from my iPhone 
from the message body before it would send. Thanks again.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You might find it more beneficial to direct your questions to a list devoted 
> to using the Amazon Echo device, rather than a list for iPhone users.
> Such a list exist, and you or anyone else can join it by sending a blank 
> email to the following address:
> 
> echoing+subscr...@groups.io
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2021, at 12:35,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Me again.
> I just looked up "Amazon Show" and became overloaded when reading about  
> displays. I do not intend to use a device to control temperature or lock 
> doors or need to look at a clock, anything like that. I also do not want a 
> device that will require me to do anything in response to what shows on a 
> screen.
>I was thinking I would get a second device for another room 
> but one that could play movies, not just Prime, but Netflix too,and possibly 
> Hulu somewhere down the line.
>Would that device be compatible with the Echo 4th generation I 
> already have? Would I talk to it like I talk to my other device?
>I wonder if Amazon's  customers with disabilities could answer 
> these questions and give me a honest good recommendation.
>I'll see if the podcasts someone already recommended will 
> cover this, or maybe I will have to go to YouTube and let it squeeze hours 
> out of the rest of my day, but only after the dog and I get a proper walk!
>  
>Deidre
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Re: Echo or Alexa Show

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Brad, I was in countering some issues which I felt were related to the app on 
my phone. Some of the other questions I guess weren’t. But any rate I just hit 
on this link that you provided here to subscribe and it would not send. Not 
sure why.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 3:27 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You might find it more beneficial to direct your questions to a list devoted 
> to using the Amazon Echo device, rather than a list for iPhone users.
> Such a list exist, and you or anyone else can join it by sending a blank 
> email to the following address:
> 
> echoing+subscr...@groups.io
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Mar 4, 2021, at 12:35,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Me again.
> I just looked up "Amazon Show" and became overloaded when reading about  
> displays. I do not intend to use a device to control temperature or lock 
> doors or need to look at a clock, anything like that. I also do not want a 
> device that will require me to do anything in response to what shows on a 
> screen.
>I was thinking I would get a second device for another room 
> but one that could play movies, not just Prime, but Netflix too,and possibly 
> Hulu somewhere down the line.
>Would that device be compatible with the Echo 4th generation I 
> already have? Would I talk to it like I talk to my other device?
>I wonder if Amazon's  customers with disabilities could answer 
> these questions and give me a honest good recommendation.
>I'll see if the podcasts someone already recommended will 
> cover this, or maybe I will have to go to YouTube and let it squeeze hours 
> out of the rest of my day, but only after the dog and I get a proper walk!
>  
>Deidre
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Re: Echo or Alexa Show

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Johna
Thank you, yes, this answered all of my questions!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2021, at 2:11 PM, Johna Gravitt  wrote:
> 
> 
> The echo shows have a neat feature called “ show and tell” and they work 
> simply by asking “Alexa, what am I holding in my hand?” Most times they are 
> pretty accurate.  You do not need to do anything differently with them than a 
> normal regular echo dot.  In some cases information be displayed on the 
> screen, however echo shows have a screen reader called voice view which is 
> quite similar to the iPhone’s voice over so there’s not much of al earning 
> curve there.  You can watch videos other than prime on them.
> Hope this was helpful.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> deidreandlou...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 1:35 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Echo or Alexa Show
>  
> Me again.
> I just looked up "Amazon Show" and became overloaded when reading about  
> displays. I do not intend to use a device to control temperature or lock 
> doors or need to look at a clock, anything like that. I also do not want a 
> device that will require me to do anything in response to what shows on a 
> screen.
>I was thinking I would get a second device for another room 
> but one that could play movies, not just Prime, but Netflix too,and possibly 
> Hulu somewhere down the line.
>Would that device be compatible with the Echo 4th generation I 
> already have? Would I talk to it like I talk to my other device?
>I wonder if Amazon's  customers with disabilities could answer 
> these questions and give me a honest good recommendation.
>I'll see if the podcasts someone already recommended will 
> cover this, or maybe I will have to go to YouTube and let it squeeze hours 
> out of the rest of my day, but only after the dog and I get a proper walk!
>  
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Re: New Echo

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I believe what I have is an echo fourth generation. It’s about the size of a 
cantaloupe. No it does not have a screen. Maybe I will get a little one with a 
tiny screen or the smaller screen so that I can just watch movies without 
having to touch my phone. Thanks for cluing me into what was should’ve been 
obvious. Anyway I’m playing around with this looking at commands seeing I still 
have a lot of work to do to streamline it’s recognizing the specific podcast 
and things like that that I want to play. This morning it’s doing a pretty good 
job of doing it, Meaning I’m getting the syntax down that Alexa is best at 
recognizing. I meant to write listen to movies not watch since I wouldn’t be 
able to see a thing on any screen.
Deirdre


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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Daniel MacDonald 
>  wrote:
> 
> Helli,
> 
> The dot to dot podcast is a great one to listen to. It[s demos of various 
> echo skills. Also for more in-depth demos, the echo show podcast is good. It 
> would help us if we new what kind of Echo you have. As far as enabling video 
> skills, that is limited to echos with screens, the echo show and it’s  
> variants, and the echo spot. The echo show comes in five, eight, and ten inch 
> sizes. The only echo you can watch Amazon is the echo show. To enable some 
> skills, go to the amazon Alexa app to more. You’ll find an area called skills 
> and games. You can also enable skills by voice if you know the skill name.
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:15 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Someone gave me a gift of a new Echo. Some basic set up has been done today. 
>> I've read some helpful info from emails Amazon keeps sending me and I've 
>> been on the Amazon site which gives a list of things to look into. Some of 
>> what I am told to do isn't fool proof, perhaps due to human error.
>>I cant seem to get at the place having to do with enabling 
>> video such as Prime Video or Netflix. I've got both Apps on the phone and 
>> naively thought I could use Alexa to activate those apps. It doesn't seem to 
>> work that way! I followed instructions from a hard file as well as where 
>> Alexa tole me to look, that were supposed to get me to TV and Movies under 
>> Skills and Games, I think, but I never got there. 
>> Under the section in settings for Communication, I did check off various 
>> music services and podcasts and Tune In stations I listen to and Alexa was 
>> able to find those. I can't however find the place to do that with video, TV 
>> and/or movies I am subscribed to.
>> I really did imagine that I could tell Alexa to do things like open Bard and 
>> continue reading what I was reading last. I assumed the Echo device was 
>> totally privy to everything on my phone, as if it had a mirror image of it. 
>> H, I'm smiling. Still I did manage to do a "drop in" message to my 
>> brother's own Echo and he was indeed notified he had a message and when he 
>> asked Alexa to play it, there I was on a live recording which is what I 
>> chose to use as the medium. 
>>I look forward to learning to do as much as I can with the 
>> Echo "hands off.
>>Any tips anyone can provide about which sources are most 
>> reliable and easy to follow would be greatly appreciated. This will take a 
>> systematic approach to getting things set up at more than the most basic 
>> level.
>>  
>>Deidre
>>Deidre
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Re: New Echo

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Oh, of course that makes sense. Maybe I should ask Alexa if she can find me any 
MP3 audio discreet was described movies or maybe I should just get her a 
specific web address to find them from. Maybe that’ll work. I’ll give it a try.

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> On Mar 3, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Daniel MacDonald 
>  wrote:
> 
> Helli,
> 
> The dot to dot podcast is a great one to listen to. It[s demos of various 
> echo skills. Also for more in-depth demos, the echo show podcast is good. It 
> would help us if we new what kind of Echo you have. As far as enabling video 
> skills, that is limited to echos with screens, the echo show and it’s  
> variants, and the echo spot. The echo show comes in five, eight, and ten inch 
> sizes. The only echo you can watch Amazon is the echo show. To enable some 
> skills, go to the amazon Alexa app to more. You’ll find an area called skills 
> and games. You can also enable skills by voice if you know the skill name.
> 
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 10:15 PM,  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Someone gave me a gift of a new Echo. Some basic set up has been done today. 
>> I've read some helpful info from emails Amazon keeps sending me and I've 
>> been on the Amazon site which gives a list of things to look into. Some of 
>> what I am told to do isn't fool proof, perhaps due to human error.
>>I cant seem to get at the place having to do with enabling 
>> video such as Prime Video or Netflix. I've got both Apps on the phone and 
>> naively thought I could use Alexa to activate those apps. It doesn't seem to 
>> work that way! I followed instructions from a hard file as well as where 
>> Alexa tole me to look, that were supposed to get me to TV and Movies under 
>> Skills and Games, I think, but I never got there. 
>> Under the section in settings for Communication, I did check off various 
>> music services and podcasts and Tune In stations I listen to and Alexa was 
>> able to find those. I can't however find the place to do that with video, TV 
>> and/or movies I am subscribed to.
>> I really did imagine that I could tell Alexa to do things like open Bard and 
>> continue reading what I was reading last. I assumed the Echo device was 
>> totally privy to everything on my phone, as if it had a mirror image of it. 
>> H, I'm smiling. Still I did manage to do a "drop in" message to my 
>> brother's own Echo and he was indeed notified he had a message and when he 
>> asked Alexa to play it, there I was on a live recording which is what I 
>> chose to use as the medium. 
>>I look forward to learning to do as much as I can with the 
>> Echo "hands off.
>>Any tips anyone can provide about which sources are most 
>> reliable and easy to follow would be greatly appreciated. This will take a 
>> systematic approach to getting things set up at more than the most basic 
>> level.
>>  
>>Deidre
>>Deidre
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Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

[deidre muccio]

Simon, your post got me smiling. No you know, my dog does not ski, but she does 
fly. Especially in the bitter cold. Cold weather is her kind of weather. She 
doesn’t use an iPhone either, but I recruit friends continually to shoot 
pictures of how lovely she is even at 13 1/2 years of age.
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 5:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sorry did you say your dog skiies?
> 
> That’s cool,
> I know a lot of people that can't do that!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 March 2021 1:54 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> My friends older phone 8+ never froze up in the cold. She used to shoot 
> pictures in the snow, ofmy dog, while skiing, and inall kinds of bitter cold 
> weather. Her 11 acted up shortly after she first got it while skiing in Utah 
> over the holidays and not even in the worst cold weather possible. I told 
> her, as someone mentioned here, the phone might’ve been still setting itself 
> up. So she’s had less problems overtime than when she first got it. I do 
> recall a few weeks ago though she pulled it out of her pocket to shoot some 
> pictures of my dog with snow all over her nose that immediately froze up and 
> she was quite perplexed.  she’s an outdoors woman, and she’s also glued to 
> her phone, so you get the picture.Oh by the way oh by the way off and pull my 
> phone out in the worst of weather to turn the GPS on, or to check my 
> location, or to pop off a text real quick and I’ve never had my phone freeze 
> up in the cold. Certainly if it’s left in the direct sun on a hot summer day 
> it will turn itself off so I’ve learned not to do that. 
> Yes my iPhone 6s used to get hot a lotEven even if the only thing I had open 
> was tune in radio and it was playing. It still works though.
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:44 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
>> 
>> I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we 
>> rarely have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot 
>> tolerate heat.
>> Alison
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold
>> 
>> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
>> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
>> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
>> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the 
>> chest pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but 
>> still it would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually 
>> listen to an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do 
>> remember that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like 
>> the cold and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
>> 
>> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
>> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
>> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
>> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>>> suggestions.
>>> --
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>>> 
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Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

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Thank you. I was hoping some other cold weather inhabitants would comment on 
this. Yeah I don’t see any reason why her 11 should be so fickle as compared to 
her 8+. And even my 6S and my SE 2020 never had problems in the cold so thanks 
for your confirmation. I will encourage her to do that.

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> On Feb 28, 2021, at 6:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the chest 
> pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but still it 
> would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually listen to 
> an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do remember 
> that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like the cold 
> and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>> suggestions.
>> --
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>> 
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Re: iPhone 11 in the cold

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My friends older phone 8+ never froze up in the cold. She used to shoot 
pictures in the snow, ofmy dog, while skiing, and inall kinds of bitter cold 
weather. Her 11 acted up shortly after she first got it while skiing in Utah 
over the holidays and not even in the worst cold weather possible. I told her, 
as someone mentioned here, the phone might’ve been still setting itself up. So 
she’s had less problems overtime than when she first got it. I do recall a few 
weeks ago though she pulled it out of her pocket to shoot some pictures of my 
dog with snow all over her nose that immediately froze up and she was quite 
perplexed.  she’s an outdoors woman, and she’s also glued to her phone, so you 
get the picture.Oh by the way oh by the way off and pull my phone out in the 
worst of weather to turn the GPS on, or to check my location, or to pop off a 
text real quick and I’ve never had my phone freeze up in the cold. Certainly if 
it’s left in the direct sun on a hot summer day it will turn itself off so I’ve 
learned not to do that. 
Yes my iPhone 6s used to get hot a lotEven even if the only thing I had open 
was tune in radio and it was playing. It still works though.
Deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:44 AM, CJ & AA MAY  wrote:
> 
> I've never had any cold issues with my iPhone, although here in Kent we 
> rarely have temperatures below zero, however, my iPhone 6S Plus cannot 
> tolerate heat.
> Alison
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: 28 February 2021 23:12
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> I would take it back to Apple, I have an iPhone 11 as well and live in 
> northwestern British Columbia. About 2 weeks ago we had an entire week when 
> temperatures were around -25 to -34 Celsius at night and -15 to -20 durinfg 
> the day. I would walk to work in the morning, I had my iPhone 11 in the chest 
> pocket of my down jacket or in a hip holster under the jacket, but still it 
> would get quite cold and I never had any issues with it. I usually listen to 
> an audio book with one ear when I walk and it never quit. But I do remember 
> that many years ago I had an iPhone 6S Plus which also did not like the cold 
> and it would sometimes just turn off even at -3 or -5.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iPhone 11 in the cold
> 
> Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 
> and it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having 
> that issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? 
> That sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>> Hi to all.  In a few more months
>> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I 
>> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around 
>> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for 
>> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any 
>> suggestions.
>> --
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> 
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iPhone 11 in the cold

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Speaking of new phones, someone who works with me just got a new iPhone 11 and 
it freezes up continually when the weathers cold. So anyone else having that 
issue? With their 11s when outdoors even inborderline freezing weather? That 
sounds like either a lemon or a real drawback to that particular phone.

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Feb 27, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> Hi to all.  In a few more months
> , I should have the money to purchase a new iPhone.  At first, I
> thought about the 12 pro, but I know, that maybe by October or around
> there, the new iPhone 13 will probably come out.  Should I wait for
> the 13 to come out, or purchase the 12 pro.  Thanks for any
> suggestions.
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley

[deidre muccio]

Funny. I wonder why in the world I assumed I would be able to get to sign up 
page right there where the information was! Too much to ask I guess. But yes 
phone numbers work. Thank you Richard.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, I am not sure either with their new and supposedly improved site.
> The Spanish chat seems to be something you would sign up for and connect 
> every Thursday to practice speaking Spanish, but how one signs up, etc., I 
> wouldn't have a clue.
> 
> On the web site there is this bit of helpful info:
> 
> Call 800-323-4238 or select the Help button on any page to chat.
> 
> I suggest anyone who wants to use Hadley's resources, call them for specifics.
> 
> 
> Richard, in the U.S.
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
> • I’m not the card shark
> • My web site, www.turner42.com
> • 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 1:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley
> 
> Richard,
> I hit on the first link to see what sorts of things were available and found 
> Spanish language and then I was not able to activate anything. It was not 
> clear at all what was audio, what was online, or what had something to do 
> with braille enhancement. Am I off-the-wall here or is there something very 
> unclear about the way they have that part of their page laid out? Nothing 
> appeared to be a link. It referred to conversational Spanish with others as a 
> chat. But then there were other options it appeared and yet nothing 
> activated. So I’m not sure how the site works.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Have you asked Hadley?
>> I'd start with the person whose message I forwarded: Joan Jaeger 
>> j...@hadley.edu
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, in the U.S.
>> 
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
>> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation 
>> in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me 
>> when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>> 
>> • I’m not the card shark
>> • My web site, 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Ce268132d85894dcaeb4808d8ac40352d%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637448739053487080%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=p076G%2FZtB8%2B9d6ydv%2B1CSUfWILJrEpfZw
>> KuQKHXyn1k%3Dreserved=0
>> •
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joe Orozco
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 7:38 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley
>> 
>> Does anyone know who made that chess set that Hadley used to ship? I have 
>> one from them, and I am highly paranoid of losing one of the pieces.
>> Sorry for the O/T!
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 12/29/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> You are welcome.  My approach is rather than speculating, ask the source.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard, in the U.S.
>>> 
>>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped 
>>> in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
>>> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what 
>>> my mother told me when I was young."
>>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>>> 
>>> • I’m not the card shark
>>> • My web site,
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>>> u
>>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C

Re: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley

[deidre muccio]

Richard,
I hit on the first link to see what sorts of things were available and found 
Spanish language and then I was not able to activate anything. It was not clear 
at all what was audio, what was online, or what had something to do with 
braille enhancement. Am I off-the-wall here or is there something very unclear 
about the way they have that part of their page laid out? Nothing appeared to 
be a link. It referred to conversational Spanish with others as a chat. But 
then there were other options it appeared and yet nothing activated. So I’m not 
sure how the site works.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you asked Hadley?
> I'd start with the person whose message I forwarded: Joan Jaeger 
> j...@hadley.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, in the U.S.
> 
> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in a 
> Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of asphyxiation in 
> deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I 
> was young."
> "Why, what did she tell you?"
> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
> 
> • I’m not the card shark
> • My web site, www.turner42.com
> • 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
> Orozco
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 7:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley
> 
> Does anyone know who made that chess set that Hadley used to ship? I have one 
> from them, and I am highly paranoid of losing one of the pieces.
> Sorry for the O/T!
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
>> On 12/29/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> You are welcome.  My approach is rather than speculating, ask the source.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, in the U.S.
>> 
>> "You know," said Arthur, "it's at times like this, when I'm trapped in 
>> a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, and about to die of 
>> asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my 
>> mother told me when I was young."
>> "Why, what did she tell you?"
>> "I don't know, I didn't listen."
>> -- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy
>> 
>> • I’m not the card shark
>> • My web site, 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C73bcf84870984ea70e2e08d8ac0fb80a%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637448530813138973%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=DSFRRQFltUQRr0qGT76hxigsDY9c11CT1mbhLyz
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>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Steve Cook
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 2:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley
>> 
>> Thanks for sharing! Glad Hadley responded. I guess they had to change 
>> with the times.
>> 
>> Do you have a favorite recipe that people always ask you for? Do you 
>> enjoy learning about new recipes? Do you enjoying trying new food? 
>> Here is your opportunity to all of the above an more! I have created a 
>> group for people to Exchange Recipes and the discussion of recipes. 
>> Below is the Email address for you to subscribe To this new group. 
>> Just a friendly reminder to also put the word subscribe in the subject line.
>> 
>> recipeexchange+subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>> Steve Cook
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
>> Taylor
>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 9:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley
>> 
>> This is great info, Richard.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 8:44 AM
>> To: ViPone list
>> Subject: Fwd: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley
>> 
>> There were some comments about the changes at Hadley so I wrote and 
>> asked for clarification directly from Hadley. Here is the result:
>> Richard
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Joan Jaeger 
>> Date: December 28, 2020 at 7:05:44 AM PST
>> To: richardturne...@outlook.com
>> Subject: Courses have become series of workshops at Hadley  Dear 
>> Richard,
>> 
>> We have transformed courses into series of workshops.  You’ll find a 
>> variety of topics to choose from if you follow this link
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fhadle
>> y.edu%2Flearndata=04%7C01%7C%7C73bcf84870984ea70e2e08d8ac0fb80a%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637448530813138973%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=CHqXtdvVO04rKk45NALXKztRL%2B21KnVosNttC
>> %2FhE704%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> We’ve also added discussion groups that meet 

Drop Box

[deidre muccio]

Hello
I am trying to resurrect Drob Box on my various devices. I do not have the Drop 
Box App downloaded on the phone but I see it in Voice Dream Reader.
I see the folders but once I hit on one, I can’t go anywhere from 
there. The only thing that reads is “close.”Where can I get instructions to use 
Drob Box through VDR or should I just download the App, and forget about VDR 
for Drop Box?
Thanks for any tips you can give me.
Deirdre

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Re: Facebook escalates feud with Apple over iOS privacy changes, cNet

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Thanks for sharing this. It’s good to know that Apple is willing to hold steady 
on giving us more privacy options.

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> On Dec 16, 2020, at 11:46 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Facebook escalates feud with Apple over iOS privacy changes
> The social network says changes in Apple's mobile software will hurt small
> businesses.
> Dec. 16, 2020
> By Angela Lang, cNet.
> 
> Facebook is again criticizing upcoming privacy changes to Apple's iOS that
> could uproot ad-tracking features used by apps. The social network on
> Wednesday ran full-page newspaper ads saying the feature in iOS 14, expected
> to be released early next year, will hurt small businesses. The company also
> expanded on its position in a blog post, saying that Apple's new policy is
> "more about profit than privacy." 
> 
> Apple announced several new privacy updates for iOS at its Worldwide
> Developers Conference earlier this year, including a feature called App
> Tracking Transparency that would require people to opt in to apps collecting
> their data rather than needing them to opt out. The update threatens to
> uproot several ad-tracking features in apps, including Facebook. In
> September, Apple decided to delay the feature's rollout to 2021 so
> developers could have more time to make necessary changes. 
> 
> Facebook's criticism of Apple is the latest in an ongoing public fight
> between two of the world's largest tech companies. The social network, which
> has also been under fire for failing to safeguard user privacy, views
> Apple's changes as an attack on personalized advertising. Facebook makes
> most of its money from ads, which allows it to avoid charging people a
> subscription fee to use the social network.
> 
> Facebook has previously said the iOS update would mean less profit for
> advertisers because of less effective tracking. In the ads on Wednesday,
> Facebook says: "While limiting how personalized ads can be used does impact
> larger companies like us, these changes will be devastating to small
> businesses."
> 
> Apple has defended the tracking changes, saying they give users more
> control. In a public letter last month, Jane Horvath, the company's privacy
> chief, called out Facebook for its data collection practices and said Apple
> remains "fully committed" to its app tracking transparency feature and other
> privacy protections.
> "Facebook executives have made clear their intent is to collect as much data
> as possible across both first and third party products to develop and
> monetize detailed profiles of their users, and this disregard for user
> privacy continues to expand to include more of their products," Horvath
> wrote. 
> 
> Dan Levy, who oversees ads and business products, said in a press call on
> Wednesday that Apple was "behaving anti-competitively by using their control
> of the App Store to benefit their bottom line at the expense of creators and
> small businesses." If services turn away from ads and start charging a
> subscription fee or in-app payments, Apple benefits because the company
> makes money from fees charged to developers, Levy said. 
> 
> The impact to Facebook's business will be "less severe" because the company
> has a diverse ads business with more than 10 million advertisers. Compared
> with small businesses, he said, Facebook "will be fine."
> 
> "This is not just a tech fight over different pieces of technology and
> policy," Levy said. "This is a set of changes and a start on what we believe
> is a long strategic move from Apple towards fundamentally changing how the
> free internet and advertising works for small businesses."
> 
> Steve Satterfield, a director of privacy and public policy at Facebook, also
> said during the press call that it will also support Epic Games, the company
> behind the popular video game Fortnite, which filed a lawsuit against Apple
> earlier this year alleging the iPhone maker engaged in anti-competitive
> practices by demanding up to a 30% cut of app sales made on the iPhone and
> iPad. Epic Games also sued Google and Fortnite was removed from Apple's App
> Store and the Google Play Store.
> "We are prepared to provide relevant information in their litigation about
> how Apple's policies are hurting the millions of people and businesses who
> use our services," Satterfield said.
> Epic didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
> 
> The Facebook ads criticizing Apple, which were earlier reported by
> Bloomberg, appeared in newspapers including The Washington Post and The Wall
> Street Journal. 
> 
> Original Article at:
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Re: Transferring photos from an old iPhone 6

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Richard, 
With Bluetooth turned on, the 105 photos in the eight videos transferred very 
quickly through airdrop. That’s what this young smith college student advised 
me to do. Apparently it worked. Now if I back up my SE 2020 through iTunes and 
I Tele transfer the photos will I be able to access them on my hard drive?
It seems like it would write? Is my logic brain not working today?
Deidre


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> On Nov 9, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If you don't have enough iCloud space to have them uploaded to iCloud and 
> synced over that way, you can try using Windows Explorer.
> Plug the phone in to the computer.
> Launch Windows Explorer and navigate to the Apple iPhone.
> There are several subfolders you have to open to get to the image/photo files.
> They in fact may be in several folders themselves.
> I find on iOS 14, which may be different than your old phone on 11 or 12, is 
> the main folder is Apple iPhone,
> Select and hit enter on that, and I find Internal Storage, select and hit 
> enter on that.
> Then there is a DCMI folder, do the same.
> Now, you should have a folder or folders of your photo files.
> Select all with Control A and then copy with control C.
> Go to your hard drive and put them somewhere you can find them and paste.
> On the new phone, reverse the process.
> Open those folders on the new phone with Windows Explorer, and once in the 
> DCMI folder, you should be able to paste the ones from your computer.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> Live long and prosper  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 4:16 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Transferring photos from an old iPhone 6
> 
> Hello all,
> I think this ought to be a very easy question for some of you to answer. 
> Somehow it’s not registering how to do this effectively in my own mind.
> I have an old iPhone 6 that with a badly shattered screen that I no longer 
> use. The best of my photos dating as far back as 2015 are on that phone. What 
> would you say is the easiest way to transfer those photos to an iPhone 6s or 
> to my newer SE 2020? I’m sure that phone has not been updated to a version of 
> iOS that’s even 13. So it’s probably 12 point something or other. I hope that 
> ladder fact doesn’t make it impossible for me to access those photos or 
> rather transfer them to one of my other phones.
> Thanks for any solutions you can provide. I have a feeling this might be an 
> easy one.
> Deirdre
> 
> 
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Transferring photos from an old iPhone 6

[deidre muccio]

Hello all,
I think this ought to be a very easy question for some of you to answer. 
Somehow it’s not registering how to do this effectively in my own mind.
I have an old iPhone 6 that with a badly shattered screen that I no longer use. 
The best of my photos dating as far back as 2015 are on that phone. What would 
you say is the easiest way to transfer those photos to an iPhone 6s or to my 
newer SE 2020? I’m sure that phone has not been updated to a version of iOS 
that’s even 13. So it’s probably 12 point something or other. I hope that 
ladder fact doesn’t make it impossible for me to access those photos or rather 
transfer them to one of my other phones.
Thanks for any solutions you can provide. I have a feeling this might be an 
easy one.
Deirdre


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Re: new translation feature now available on iPhones

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Thanks for the description. These are all definite pluses.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If you use the app, you theoretically could have a conversation with someone 
> who speaks another language and have the iPhone be your translator.
> It also says that if you have the phone landscaped, it will show each 
> language on its own half of the screen.
> Plus, if you are trying to understand how words are written in that other 
> language, it shows you the text and you can store phrases as favorites.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> Live long and prosper  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new translation feature now available on iPhones
> 
> I don’t understand what’s new about this other than it appears to be an app 
> now available on the phone. I use Siri and I simply ask something like how do 
> you say such and such in Spanish and I get an immediate answer and I can also 
> go up a liner down a line and remind myself what I’ve asked and what the 
> wording is and then I can arrow down and see the spelling and spell it out 
> however I please. So what is this big new feature?   it sounds a bit more 
> cumbersome to use. It probably would be useful if you wanted to save all the 
> stuff that you had searched for which you can’t do when you use Siri because 
> as soon as you ask the next query it will only save just so much. Such as 
> messages you might get a string of messages that you’ve asked Siri to send 
> but that’s only going to go so far. And as soon as you leave the homepage and 
> that screen there’s nothing left to go back to to check. Or double check in 
> this case.
> 
> 
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Maria Campbell  wrote:
>> 
>> It's called translate, and it's found between the apps news and maps.
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Campbell
>> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>> 
>> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
>> --Edmund Burke
>> 
>>>> On 11/5/2020 9:48 PM, Mike B wrote:
>>> Where is this feature found please?
>>> 
>>> Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
>>> Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite 
>>> government program.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: RE: new translation feature now available on iPhones
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just tried it with speaking.
>>> 
>>> It defaults to from English to Spanish.
>>> 
>>> There is a listen button about an inch and a half up from the home 
>>> button, if you have a home button.
>>> 
>>> Double tap that listen button, say what you want translated, then 
>>> flick twice to the right passed the close button to finished 
>>> listening and double tap.
>>> 
>>> Then, after a very short time, it says in Spanish what you said in 
>>> English, but says it so fast even if I understood Spanish, I am not 
>>> sure I could get it.
>>> 
>>> But, there is a play button that shows up then that plays the Spanish 
>>> at a more reasonable speed.
>>> 
>>> There does not seem to be a setting for speed at all.
>>> 
>>> I have not tried typing, but I suspect if you type, there is also the 
>>> button to translate, then you may hear or be able to read the other 
>>> language.
>>> 
>>> It does also show the text of the Spanish, so it could kind of be 
>>> used to teach oneself some useful phrases I think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>>> regretted not granti

Re: new translation feature now available on iPhones

[deidre muccio]

Oh yes, I remember this being under discussion sometime within the last year. 
Yeah that’s a definite plus. I agree wholeheartedly! I’d forgotten about that 
aspect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If you use the app, you theoretically could have a conversation with someone 
> who speaks another language and have the iPhone be your translator.
> It also says that if you have the phone landscaped, it will show each 
> language on its own half of the screen.
> Plus, if you are trying to understand how words are written in that other 
> language, it shows you the text and you can store phrases as favorites.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> Live long and prosper  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: new translation feature now available on iPhones
> 
> I don’t understand what’s new about this other than it appears to be an app 
> now available on the phone. I use Siri and I simply ask something like how do 
> you say such and such in Spanish and I get an immediate answer and I can also 
> go up a liner down a line and remind myself what I’ve asked and what the 
> wording is and then I can arrow down and see the spelling and spell it out 
> however I please. So what is this big new feature?   it sounds a bit more 
> cumbersome to use. It probably would be useful if you wanted to save all the 
> stuff that you had searched for which you can’t do when you use Siri because 
> as soon as you ask the next query it will only save just so much. Such as 
> messages you might get a string of messages that you’ve asked Siri to send 
> but that’s only going to go so far. And as soon as you leave the homepage and 
> that screen there’s nothing left to go back to to check. Or double check in 
> this case.
> 
> 
> Deirdre
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 5, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Maria Campbell  wrote:
>> 
>> It's called translate, and it's found between the apps news and maps.
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Campbell
>> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>> 
>> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
>> --Edmund Burke
>> 
>>>> On 11/5/2020 9:48 PM, Mike B wrote:
>>> Where is this feature found please?
>>> 
>>> Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
>>> Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite 
>>> government program.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 4:23 PM
>>> Subject: RE: new translation feature now available on iPhones
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I just tried it with speaking.
>>> 
>>> It defaults to from English to Spanish.
>>> 
>>> There is a listen button about an inch and a half up from the home 
>>> button, if you have a home button.
>>> 
>>> Double tap that listen button, say what you want translated, then 
>>> flick twice to the right passed the close button to finished 
>>> listening and double tap.
>>> 
>>> Then, after a very short time, it says in Spanish what you said in 
>>> English, but says it so fast even if I understood Spanish, I am not 
>>> sure I could get it.
>>> 
>>> But, there is a play button that shows up then that plays the Spanish 
>>> at a more reasonable speed.
>>> 
>>> There does not seem to be a setting for speed at all.
>>> 
>>> I have not tried typing, but I suspect if you type, there is also the 
>>> button to translate, then you may hear or be able to read the other 
>>> language.
>>> 
>>> It does also show the text of the Spanish, so it could kind of be 
>>> used to teach oneself some useful phrases I think.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
&

Re: Touchscreen laptops

[deidre muccio]

Thank you Joe, this is very useful. I too would  rather keep my hands on a 
keyboard. The only plus about this Dell latitude– I don’t remember the model 
number right off is that it had a full-size keyboard that included numb pad.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2020, at 7:32 AM, Joe Orozco  wrote:
> 
> If you use something like an iPad in a laptop configuration, that is
> to say in a clamshell keyboard case, I feel the experience is
> smoother. Yes, there's the whole business with the split screen at
> times, but it's a familiar layout if you are already using an iPhone.
> I have a touch screen on one of my PC laptops, and without going too
> far astray into Windows land, I have only really found it useful when
> it comes to figuring out where JAWS is not reading something
> correctly. Swiping around makes it a little easier to get a sense of
> the screen layout. Otherwise, and this could just be a personal thing,
> but I find myself wanting to keep my hands centered on the keyboard
> itself to be productive.
> 
> I hope that's the start to more helpful feedback from others.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
>> On 11/6/20, deidre muccio  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I don’t have access to a lot of exposure to the latest and best  or popular
>> adaptive technology equipment, so here I am asking of you what you know
>> about touchscreen laptops? I guess all I need to know is how they work. Do
>> they work like the face of an iPhoneWith some equivalent of voice over or
>> other accessibility feature to speak what it is with some equivalent of
>> voice over or other accessibility feature to speak what it is you’ve touched
>> let’s say to open a program or app such as word? Or does the touchscreen
>> serve as a regular monitor as you would have on a PC desktop computer? I
>> don’t need to use a  computer with a touchscreen, and I want to have easy
>> cited help by having a laptop that includes a monitor. Is there any conflict
>> here? The local little computer store where I might buy such a refurbished
>> unit is not open to full capacity so it’s a little hard getting through to
>> them sometimes. If you think this is an inappropriate question for the list
>> I will just wait till I get through to them. Thanks.
>> 
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Re: new translation feature now available on iPhones

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I don’t understand what’s new about this other than it appears to be an app now 
available on the phone. I use Siri and I simply ask something like how do you 
say such and such in Spanish and I get an immediate answer and I can also go up 
a liner down a line and remind myself what I’ve asked and what the wording is 
and then I can arrow down and see the spelling and spell it out however I 
please. So what is this big new feature?   it sounds a bit more cumbersome to 
use. It probably would be useful if you wanted to save all the stuff that you 
had searched for which you can’t do when you use Siri because as soon as you 
ask the next query it will only save just so much. Such as messages you might 
get a string of messages that you’ve asked Siri to send but that’s only going 
to go so far. And as soon as you leave the homepage and that screen there’s 
nothing left to go back to to check. Or double check in this case.


Deirdre


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> On Nov 5, 2020, at 10:06 PM, Maria Campbell  wrote:
> 
> It's called translate, and it's found between the apps news and maps.
> 
> 
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
> 
> All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
> --Edmund Burke
> 
>> On 11/5/2020 9:48 PM, Mike B wrote:
>> Where is this feature found please?
>> 
>> Take care and stay safe.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Rams!
>> Main's Law:  For every action there is an equal and opposite government
>> program.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 4:23 PM
>> Subject: RE: new translation feature now available on iPhones
>> 
>> 
>> I just tried it with speaking.
>> 
>> It defaults to from English to Spanish.
>> 
>> There is a listen button about an inch and a half up from the home button,
>> if you have a home button.
>> 
>> Double tap that listen button, say what you want translated, then flick
>> twice to the right passed the close button to finished listening and double
>> tap.
>> 
>> Then, after a very short time, it says in Spanish what you said in English,
>> but says it so fast even if I understood Spanish, I am not sure I could get
>> it.
>> 
>> But, there is a play button that shows up then that plays the Spanish at a
>> more reasonable speed.
>> 
>> There does not seem to be a setting for speed at all.
>> 
>> I have not tried typing, but I suspect if you type, there is also the button
>> to translate, then you may hear or be able to read the other language.
>> 
>> It does also show the text of the Spanish, so it could kind of be used to
>> teach oneself some useful phrases I think.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
>> Herbert
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Live long and prosper 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CJ &
>> AA MAY
>> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: new translation feature now available on iPhones
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I Took a quick look at this new feature yesterday but couldn’t figure out
>> how to use it. I assume I would type the word or phrase in the editfield and
>> then it would either speak or show the translation, but nothing happened.
>> Has anyone else tried it out yet?
>> 
>> Alison
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Touchscreen laptops

[deidre muccio]

Hello all,
I don’t have access to a lot of exposure to the latest and best  or popular 
adaptive technology equipment, so here I am asking of you what you know about 
touchscreen laptops? I guess all I need to know is how they work. Do they work 
like the face of an iPhoneWith some equivalent of voice over or other 
accessibility feature to speak what it is with some equivalent of voice over or 
other accessibility feature to speak what it is you’ve touched let’s say to 
open a program or app such as word? Or does the touchscreen serve as a regular 
monitor as you would have on a PC desktop computer? I don’t need to use a  
computer with a touchscreen, and I want to have easy cited help by having a 
laptop that includes a monitor. Is there any conflict here? The local little 
computer store where I might buy such a refurbished unit is not open to full 
capacity so it’s a little hard getting through to them sometimes. If you think 
this is an inappropriate question for the list I will just wait till I get 
through to them. Thanks.


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Re: HP air laser jet printer

[deidre muccio]

Just to let you know, I set this up to print off my iPhone as well as my 
Windows PC. Setting up on the computer was not a big deal. You have to download 
some software which only takes a few minutes. The set up is uncomplicated and 
quick. If you follow the instructions step-by-step you will get where you want 
to go. No  doubt it went  quickly because I had sided help. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2020, at 1:53 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is the post including Mark's description with the link at the end.
> I found this old post from Mark Taylor about an HP Laser-jet and thought it 
> might give you another option.
> Original Post:
> Subject:  Here is a Very Good AirPrint Laser Printer that I am Now 
> Recommending
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I purchased the HP LaserJet Pro M15w Wireless Laser Printer (W2G51A) from 
> Amazon and I absolutely love it.
> 
> It has all of the features I require including the ability to insert standard 
> mailing envelopes into the sheet feeder as a custom slot.
> 
> In order to use this printer, as an AirPrint, printer, you must download the 
> free HP Smart app, once.  You use the app to configure the printer for use on 
> your network.  This is to say, the app facilitates the ability to enter your 
> network password, etc.  As I said, you only need to do this once as, once 
> done, all Apple devices can see the printer on the network and you may print 
> to your heart's content.  The app is 100% VoiceOver accessible.  
> 
> The printer is the tiniest laser printer I've ever seen.  It uses a 
> mini-toner cartridge so it's perfect as a portable laser printer.  
> 
> Oh, this is not a color laser.
> 
> Even when printing photos, it takes less than 10 seconds for the unit to 
> start printing.  When printing documents, the unit begins printing almost 
> immediately.  Of course, this is my experience, your milage may vary.
> 
> From what I can tell, most of the negative reviews about the unit, on Amazon, 
> come from Windows users.
> 
> To be clear, you do not need to install any HP software on any of your Apple 
> devices in order to use the printer, save the HP Smart app, on one device, to 
> configure the unit.  For you more advanced users, the printer has its own web 
> server so you can log directly into the unit via a web browser, should you 
> wish.
> 
> Although the unit ships with a USB cable, for use with Apple devices, it is 
> not necessary.
> 
> Now, in full disclosure, I have not used the printer with a Windows device.
> From what I can tell, the process of configuring the unit is more complicated 
> on Windows but I cannot speak to that.
> 
> The printer costs approximately $110.00 USD.
> 
> As for unpacking the unit, it would probably be best to have a sighted person 
> handy as un-taping the various parts could be challenging for an 
> inexperienced user.  The only assembly is to unpack the toner cartridge and 
> preparing it for installation.
> 
> There are only 3 hardware buttons on the unit that are flush with the surface 
> but one can certainly put tape on them to mark their location.
> Also, the unit makes a definite sound when plugged into the wall so there can 
> be no doubt as to when the unit is powered up.
> 
> Okay, here is the URL for the printer on Amazon.
> 
> HP LaserJet Pro M15w Wireless Laser Printer (W2G51A)   
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B079QRKWLX/ref=cm_sw_r_em_api_i_c_deufEbMKW1STR
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> Live long and prosper  
> 
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> 
> -Original Message-----
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joe 
> Orozco
> Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: HP air laser jet printer
> 
> Hi, would you mind resending the model number?--Joe
> 
>>> On 11/4/20, deidre muccio  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I wanted to say that  the email that Richard forwarded about a laser
>> printer originally recommended by Mark lead to my purchasing one. It
>> has the smallest footprint of any LaserJet printer out there I do
>> believe and that was something I was looking for. And it only prints
>> in black which was also all I was looking for. The first one got
>> returned because the rollers would not grab the paper, And  according
>> to the HB tech that was somewhere overseas

HP air laser jet printer

[deidre muccio]

Hello all,
I wanted to say that  the email that Richard forwarded about a laser printer 
originally recommended by Mark lead to my purchasing one. It has the smallest 
footprint of any LaserJet printer out there I do believe and that was something 
I was looking for. And it only prints in black which was also all I was looking 
for. The first one got returned because the rollers would not grab the paper, 
And  according to the HB tech that was somewhere overseas over a bad connection 
determined after fussing with it for about an hour that the sensor must’ve been 
broken. That printer got returned. Setting up the second one that was sent as a 
replacement work just fine. The HP website however is a pain as Is gettingis 
getting through to a live person. You have to have a case, and some of the 
questions don’t address what’s actually going on with the printer. They may 
mention all kinds of different colored lights except the one on your printer 
that just so happens to be flashing. I had cited help with this. At any rate 
also after I was getting messages saying they said it was complete on both the 
iPhone and my PC it then said it could not locate printer and all these sorts 
of things. So double messaging. The latter being totally in accurate. When 
attempting to print anyway it printed just fine. So now I have a nice little 
$108 printer here that works and it’s really all I needed.
Thank you Richard and Mark for the recommendations.

Deirdre

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Re: HP Printer Set Up

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Yes Richard, sorry yes I did know that that recommendation came from Mark and 
you just forwarded it on. It’s very strange what’s happening with the printer. 
It had before the said it was even complete grabbed a piece of paper and rolled 
through and spit it out so we know the rollers work but Wyatt now says the 
printer is jammed when there’s nothing in there jamming it and it why it won’t 
grab the paper is unknown. We tried to use the virtual feature through the app 
to contact HP but it said nothing about any flashing red lights only about 
green ones and other colored ones. So I could not answer our question. Anyway 
we know it has to do with the paper feet. I’m wondering if the printer is 
defective. It shouldn’t be if it had already been capable of grabbing one piece 
of paper from the stack and rolling it through once already. Anyway it’s 
disappointing. The printer though is a beautiful size. I love the size. Let’s 
see if I can get it working.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2020, at 11:45 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Just for accuracy's sake, I just forwarded Mark's recommendation.
> You may need to call HP to sort this out.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> Live long and prosper  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: HP Printer Set Up
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I’m trying to finish setting up my new HP laser printer and it says the set 
> up is complete and we’re trying to print a test sheet. We’re getting an error 
> messege saying i cant print until this is resolved. It says look at the 
> printer to see what is wrong but all there is on the printer is a red 
> flashing warning light. We have no idea what this means or how to fix the 
> problem. HP Laserjet M15w this is the model that Mark and Richard recently 
> recommended. 
> 
> 
> 
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HP Printer Set Up

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Hey all,

I’m trying to finish setting up my new HP laser printer and it says the set up 
is complete and we’re trying to print a test sheet. We’re getting an error 
messege saying i cant print until this is resolved. It says look at the printer 
to see what is wrong but all there is on the printer is a red flashing warning 
light. We have no idea what this means or how to fix the problem. HP Laserjet 
M15w this is the model that Mark and Richard recently recommended. 



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Re: From Blind Bargains: Breaking: Settlement Brings Audio-described Content to HBO max

[deidre muccio]

This is fabulous. There are a lot of people to thank for this.



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> On Oct 20, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> FYI:
> Breaking: Settlement Brings Audio-described Content to HBO max
> J.J. Meddaugh Oct 19, 2020 11:21 AM ET
>  
> HBO Max is at long last joining the ranks of streaming services which will 
> include audio description, thanks to a settlement announced today.
> Per the agreement, the service will include at least 1,500 hours of described 
> content by next March, and at least four times that amount by March 2023. 
> Improvements to their website and mobile apps are also promised by September 
> of next year.
> The agreement was reached between WarnerMedia who owns HBO Max and a group of 
> defendants
> including the American Council of the Blind, the Massachusetts-based Bay 
> State Council of the Blind, and Kim and Brian Charlson.
> [Read the complete settlement 
> .PDF)(https://acb.org/adp/docs/HBO%20Settlement%20Press%20Release_FINAL.pdf)
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
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Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

OK, model numbers.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry about that, that was truly a brain pause.
> Here is a link where you can email their support.
> I cannot find a phone number.
> Perhaps you could give them your number and ask them to call you and explain 
> what you're looking for.
> I hope this helps.
> Otherwise you have to call a local store that might carry them like Office 
> Depot or one of those.
> Here's the link.
> https://help.brother-usa.com/app/ask/p/7480
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Oct 17, 2020, at 9:40 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> The number you provided Richard is for HP products. They don’t sell the 
>> brother laser jet printer. Anyway I’m sure they’re easy enough to find. I’ve 
>> seen them listed I think it’s just brothers.com. I’ll find them. I’ll call 
>> them.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That one is an ink-jet not a Laser-Jet.  I strongly recommend against 
>>> Ink-jet printers.
>>> 
>>> The HP store sales phone number is 1-866-625-3906
>>> 
>>> I hope that helps,
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> deidre muccio
>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:28 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Wireless printers
>>> 
>>> Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company 
>>> directly. That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and 
>>> recommendations, both of you… Refurbished or what they’re calling 
>>> replenished which may mean something different the prices range from like 
>>> $89-$500. I did get the model number wrong it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. 
>>> Anyway it’s a little overwhelming at this point. Especially when it comes 
>>> to prices. Target sells them. And I can buy one on eBay too! What route to 
>>> go? Too many choices!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
>>>> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it 
>>>> should just work.
>>>> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
>>>> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
>>>> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
>>>> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are 
>>>> good to go.
>>>> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you 
>>>> will need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very 
>>>> little time.
>>>> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
>>>> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
>>>> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
>>>> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 
>>>> 1, you can deselect the other pages.
>>>> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
>>>> printing.
>>>> 
>>>> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for 
>>>> doing faxing, scanning, etc.
>>>> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
>>>> find another model with a similar feature set.
>>>> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out 
>>>> from non-use, and changing a toner c

Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

The number you provided Richard is for HP products. They don’t sell the brother 
laser jet printer. Anyway I’m sure they’re easy enough to find. I’ve seen them 
listed I think it’s just brothers.com. I’ll find them. I’ll call them.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That one is an ink-jet not a Laser-Jet.  I strongly recommend against 
> Ink-jet printers.
> 
> The HP store sales phone number is 1-866-625-3906
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Wireless printers
> 
> Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company 
> directly. That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and 
> recommendations, both of you… Refurbished or what they’re calling replenished 
> which may mean something different the prices range from like $89-$500. I did 
> get the model number wrong it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. Anyway it’s a 
> little overwhelming at this point. Especially when it comes to prices. Target 
> sells them. And I can buy one on eBay too! What route to go? Too many choices!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
>> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
>> just work.
>> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
>> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
>> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
>> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
>> to go.
>> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you 
>> will need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very 
>> little time.
>> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
>> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
>> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
>> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
>> you can deselect the other pages.
>> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
>> printing.
>> 
>> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for 
>> doing faxing, scanning, etc.
>> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
>> find another model with a similar feature set.
>> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out 
>> from non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing 
>> with the ink cartridges.
>> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
>> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
>> cartridges as needed on your own.
>> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink 
>> jet.
>> 
>> 
>> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
>> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
>> 
>> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
>> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
>> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
>> computers.
>> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
>> setup issue, not really the printers.
>> 
>> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older 

Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Richard, 
Thank you. I didn’t notice that. I will call. Thanks for the number.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 12:40 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> That one is an ink-jet not a Laser-Jet.  I strongly recommend against 
> Ink-jet printers.
> 
> The HP store sales phone number is 1-866-625-3906
> 
> I hope that helps,
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 9:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Wireless printers
> 
> Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company 
> directly. That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and 
> recommendations, both of you… Refurbished or what they’re calling replenished 
> which may mean something different the prices range from like $89-$500. I did 
> get the model number wrong it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. Anyway it’s a 
> little overwhelming at this point. Especially when it comes to prices. Target 
> sells them. And I can buy one on eBay too! What route to go? Too many choices!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
>> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
>> just work.
>> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
>> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
>> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
>> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
>> to go.
>> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you 
>> will need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very 
>> little time.
>> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
>> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
>> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
>> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
>> you can deselect the other pages.
>> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
>> printing.
>> 
>> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for 
>> doing faxing, scanning, etc.
>> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
>> find another model with a similar feature set.
>> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out 
>> from non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing 
>> with the ink cartridges.
>> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
>> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
>> cartridges as needed on your own.
>> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink 
>> jet.
>> 
>> 
>> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
>> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
>> 
>> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
>> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
>> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
>> computers.
>> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
>> setup issue, not really the printers.
>> 
>> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
>> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
>> I will also give you some model numbers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
&g

Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Whew!Maybe I can contact the company maybe I can contact the company directly. 
That might be a good move. Thanks for your help and recommendations, both of 
you… Refurbished or what they’re calling replenished which may mean something 
different the prices range from like $89-$500. I did get the model number wrong 
it is HL2360DW not two 300 60DW. Anyway it’s a little overwhelming at this 
point. Especially when it comes to prices. Target sells them. And I can buy one 
on eBay too! What route to go? Too many choices!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
> just work.
> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
> to go.
> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
> need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little 
> time.
> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
> you can deselect the other pages.
> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
> printing.
> 
> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
> faxing, scanning, etc.
> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
> find another model with a similar feature set.
> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
> non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
> ink cartridges.
> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
> cartridges as needed on your own.
> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.
> 
> 
> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
> 
> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
> computers.
> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
> setup issue, not really the printers.
> 
> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
> I will also give you some model numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wireless printers
> 
> Hello all,
> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do 
> that would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that 
> would be a drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that 
> that shouldn’t be too too difficult to get.
> Thanks.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Richard, 
I see a 2300 D, not a 2360 DW. Plus it says it’s a duo something which I have 
no clue about. There isn’t much info on the description of this thing other 
than that I can print on paper envelopes labels and fabric! Nothing about size 
etc. I also saw a review that talked about how the printer will just stop 
working when I want to buy a new cartridge even if there’s still ink left. But 
then I saw some reviews that mentioned how to reset that function. Sorry, I’m 
just not savvy about this sort of thing. Not sure what gets plugged into what. 
The USB cable is used to charge the printer? And does something get plugged 
into my wireless router? That kind of defeats the purpose of its being 
wireless, I thought. I must be in the dark about all this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
> just work.
> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
> to go.
> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you will 
> need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very little 
> time.
> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
> you can deselect the other pages.
> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
> printing.
> 
> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for doing 
> faxing, scanning, etc.
> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
> find another model with a similar feature set.
> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out from 
> non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing with the 
> ink cartridges.
> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
> cartridges as needed on your own.
> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink jet.
> 
> 
> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
> 
> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
> computers.
> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
> setup issue, not really the printers.
> 
> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
> I will also give you some model numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Wireless printers
> 
> Hello all,
> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do 
> that would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that 
> would be a drag, At least once i

Re: Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Oh, I remember this now. I must’ve made this inquiry a year or so ago. And I 
looked at the specs. Not sure why I decided against it then. Possibly size? I 
don’t have a lot of room to set anything extra up but I’m gonna have to 
reconsider that. OK I’m gonna jump on Amazon now see what I can fine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Ibraheem Fakir  wrote:
> 
> My brother printer and scanner works great with all my Apple products. Setup 
> is a breeze and integration is seamless across all devices. 
> All best,
> I
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, The Brother HL-2360 DW is a straight lazer-jet, black and white, and 
>> yes, you will need sighted assistance to set it up, but after that it should 
>> just work.
>> You select WiFi on the printer control panel, then there is something that 
>> blinks on the and you have to press the WiFi button on the Router.  Wait a 
>> few minutes, and it prints a test page showing Connection OK.
>> Then, you press the OK button on the Printer control panel and you are good 
>> to go.
>> When you select print from the share or more actions on your iPhone, you 
>> will need to wait until it finds your printer, which usually takes very 
>> little time.
>> When you select the printer, you will then have some options.
>> It will default to double sided printing, but if you want single sided, 
>> double tap where it says double sided and select single sided.
>> It will also show you how many pages in case you maybe only want to print 1, 
>> you can deselect the other pages.
>> Then, back at the top left is the print button.  Double tpa and you are 
>> printing.
>> 
>> The all-in -one model is not necessary unless you have sighted help for 
>> doing faxing, scanning, etc.
>> Since models change, and we bought the HL-2360 DW a few years ago, you may 
>> find another model with a similar feature set.
>> We prefer lazer-jets because you do not have the issue of ink drying out 
>> from non-use, and changing a toner cartridge is much easier than dealing 
>> with the ink cartridges.
>> You will need help setting the printer up the first time, with the printer 
>> drum and toner cartridge, but once that is done, you will be able to change 
>> cartridges as needed on your own.
>> You also get many more pages per dollar with a laser-jet than with an ink 
>> jet.
>> 
>> 
>> If you want to know, the all-in-one model is MFC L2710DW.  But, I don't 
>> recommend it for someone without sighted assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 7:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Wireless printers
>> 
>> I really like our Brother lazer-jets.
>> The newest one is an all in one that works great with all of our Apple 
>> devices, th1st gen SE, the 2nd Gen SE, iPad Mini 5, plus our Windows 
>> computers.
>> Our older Brother Printer is a little more finicky but I think that is our 
>> setup issue, not really the printers.
>> 
>> I'm going to get my sighted wife to set the older one up again and if it 
>> fixes the issue, I will let you know.
>> I will also give you some model numbers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 6:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Wireless printers
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
>> getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
>> suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
>> know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I n

Unwanted automatic launching of zoom

[deidre muccio]

Hello again,
Is anyone else having the issue of hitting on a link which could be from 
anywhere, Amazon or a patient portal from some hospital that suddenly launches 
zoom and does not take you to where the link has otherwise promised to lead 
you? I find this horribly annoying. I’m on the verge of  deleting zoom and only 
reinstalling it when I have to do a virtual call.
Does anyone know a reason why this would be happening? Or how to solve the 
problem?

Deirdre


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Wireless printers

[deidre muccio]

Hello all,
Is anyone using a wireless printer with let’s say an iPhone SE 2020? I am 
getting tired of running down to the coffee shop to have things printed. Any 
suggestions? One friend says that hers is quite fickle but I don’t actually 
know what her whole set up is like. Plus if there’s anything I need to do that 
would require  site and is not accessible through other means, that would be a 
drag, At least once it’s been set up. If I need help with that that shouldn’t 
be too too difficult to get.
Thanks.

Deidre

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Re: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems

[deidre muccio]

Hello all, part of what these messages may be speaking to and I could be wrong 
is that I think maybe they’re expecting people to be using Bluetooth keyboards 
and or braille keyboards. And I think that’s a lot to assume. The beauty of the 
device is to be able to not have to have other things hooked up to it and for 
it to be portable. That’s what it means for me at any rate. So when the swiping 
ability deteriorates it’s quite a loss.
Deidre

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> On Sep 25, 2020, at 1:50 PM, doug parisian  wrote:
> 
> 
> Cristóbal, Misery loves company; thanks for yours, I've experienced the same 
> grievous issues.  And yes, I will voice my concerns to apple plagiarizing a 
> little from what you offered here.
> 
> I also experience issues with cursor skipping around along with occasional 
> "machine gun" clicking almost like the Voice over cursor is having a heavy 
> duty battle with whatever methods are used to highlight the screen for 
> sightlings.
> 
> In the app store, the swiping will skip past the next item and a backward 
> swipe, then forward again hits the desired spot; it's a damn lot of scraping 
> and grinding such as I described also in settings.  
> 
> I can't get to the "clear forms" item neither from swiping back to that 
> control or forward to it.
> 
> I'll bet that a blind person using chop sticks to gather up peas on a plate 
> is less challenging than some of the behaviours of IO 14.01.  I've never 
> experienced such a mess since I started with Iphone in 2012.
>  
> On 2020-09-25 11:59 a.m., Cristóbal Muñoz wrote:
>> I have this exact same problem on my XR. Still present in iOS 14.0.1.
>> Also, if I want to backspace and delete a bunch of characters, what I’ll do 
>> is double tap and keep one finger on the delete button and split tap with 
>> another finger as many times as I need with VO announcing each character 
>> that’s being deleted. I’ve found this at least for me a quick way to batch 
>> delete characters or a word or two than selecting the text and then deleting 
>> or double tapping the hell out of the delete key etc.
>> Anyway, now when I try doing that in iOS 14, every time I split tap, the 
>> cursor is placed at the beginning of the edit field and text. This has 
>> pretty much broken the ability to backspace multiple times via this method.  
>> Another issue that I don’t think others have mentioned is that now, VO can’t 
>> maintain focus on the dictate button. Whenever I try to gain focus on the 
>> microphone to dictate something anywhere in the OS, VO flickers and studders 
>> and the haptic feedback I get on the iPhone is like it’s doing the 
>> jitterbug. I now have to use the two finger double tap on an edit field to 
>> initiate dictation. So now, dictating has mostly become a two handed action 
>> instead of one simple one handed action. Super annoying.
>> I too sent Apple accessibility a screen recording as well as a diagnostics 
>> log at their request.
>> They said that they’re aware of it, but come on.
>> Regarding the VO focus thing. Yes, it’s all over the place. I can’t use the 
>> 1Password option to autofill log in credentials if say I have to select from 
>> a list of options as VO gets stuck on either the cancel button or the edit 
>> field. The built-in dictionary feature is also broken as VO can’t get past 
>> the done button when you look up a word. And on and on.
>>  
>> Cristóbal
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: How I solved most of my voiceover iOS 14 problem how I solved 
>> most of my voiceover iOS 3 team problems
>>  
>> For me the Reset did certainly not resolve the focus issues on the Today 
>> screen or how when you swipe left from the top of the Inbox or message list 
>> you get stuck on the search box etc. I initially did the reset because I 
>> have another issue on my iPhone 8 where when I tap on any edit field and 
>> Voiceover says "text field is editing,, characters, insertion mode at start" 
>> this text is repeated with every letter I press.
>> Here is an example, let's say I open a message in the Messages app and I 
>> want to reply to a text. I double tap on the edit field and Voiceover says:
>> Message, text field is editing, iMessage, characters, insertion mode at start
>> So I'm now in editing mode, Voiceover tells me it's an iMessage and I know 
>> my rotor is set to characters and I'm at the start of the field which of 
>> course is empty at first.
>> Let's say I want to start with "Hello", so now I type an "H", here is what I 
>> hear:
>> Message, text field is editing, H, characters, insertion mode at end.
>> Then I type the next letter, the "e" in Hello and I hear
>> Message, text field is editing, He, characters, insertion mode at end.
>> Now I type the first L and Voiceover says:
>> Message, text field is editing, Hel, characters, insertion mode at end.
>> After I type the last 

Re: Reminders app

[deidre muccio]

I tried again, I told Siri to remind me every morning at 8:30 to take One folic 
acid pill. And then I created a second reminder to  remind me every morning at 
11:30am to take one Tarisso…  And when I went into the reminders app this time 
it  showed the correct times and after each entry it indicated daily. it only 
has that in the list of scheduled reminders for tomorrow and Monday and nothing 
beyond that. So as you say Richard maybe it will only show the reminder a few 
days at a time. We will see what happens come tomorrow or Monday. Maybe The app 
only shows you a couple of days at a time.I’d be surprised if i’d be surprised 
if I formally used a wording that was different than what I just used but at 
least this time it worked.On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:
> 
> I had not used reminders hardly at all.
> I just tried saying to Siri, "set a daily reminder at 5 PM to take my 
> melatonin."
> It shows it for today.
> When I went into edit it, it shows it at 5PM, repeat daily, end repeat never.
> So, I suspect that tomorrow, it will remind me again at 5 PM.  If I ask Siri, 
> do I have any reminders tomorrow, it says no.
> But, it could be it doesn't show up until that day.
> After 5 PM tomorrow, I will let you know if it repeated.
> Or, I'll check in the morning if I have a reminder for Sunday and let you 
> know.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reminders app
> 
> Hello,
> Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every 
> single day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has 
> the option of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. 
> Even after hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
> Deirdre
> 
> 
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Re: Reminders app

[deidre muccio]

The app is pretty rudimentary but I generally have a lot of success using it. I 
do see that I have one update for it so I’m gonna try that see if that helps. 
But thanks let me know.

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> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:31 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I had not used reminders hardly at all.
> I just tried saying to Siri, "set a daily reminder at 5 PM to take my 
> melatonin."
> It shows it for today.
> When I went into edit it, it shows it at 5PM, repeat daily, end repeat never.
> So, I suspect that tomorrow, it will remind me again at 5 PM.  If I ask Siri, 
> do I have any reminders tomorrow, it says no.
> But, it could be it doesn't show up until that day.
> After 5 PM tomorrow, I will let you know if it repeated.
> Or, I'll check in the morning if I have a reminder for Sunday and let you 
> know.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 9:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Reminders app
> 
> Hello,
> Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every 
> single day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has 
> the option of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. 
> Even after hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
> Deirdre
> 
> 
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Re: Reminders app

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Nope, that didn’t work. I’m gonna update the app now and see if that helps.

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> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:58 PM, Holly  wrote:
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> I told Siri to remind me every other Tuesday to put out the recycle bin, and 
> she did it flawlessly. 
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Re: Reminders app

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Seems I would have done that already but I’ll try it again. Rather than go 
through opening the app and editing the details. Wish me luck. Hope it works as 
flawlessly as it worked for you.

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Re: Quiet rant of the morning

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I have Filed pages and pages of detailed feedback in the past. I have not aired 
at that end.

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> On Sep 19, 2020, at 2:00 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you don't like what beta testers do and test with and go through as far as 
> huge bugs, then test yourself. Be a part of the solution next time then. 
> Apple *said* that they want people testing these betas. I can't speak for the 
> programmers, but I don't use dictation much myself. I use a braille display 
> or braille screen input. If you had been testing, and if you had filed 
> feedback, maybe it'd be better by now.
> Devin Prater
> sent from Gmail.
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:42 AM deidre muccio  
>> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security 
>> patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. 
>> However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things 
>> that never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be 
>> discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta 
>> testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen 
>> over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then 
>> they put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different 
>> places or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to 
>> remove a particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy 
>> to do before, at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes  benefit 
>> when other things could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what 
>> about the inability to select text using the line feature? for those of us 
>> using dictation, and not always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition 
>> capacity in my estimation has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri 
>> is more and more cumbersome and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve 
>> known all along was the case, but siri truly seems to have gotten less and 
>> less able to make sense out of the simplest requests. I find this totally 
>> baffling. And I’m not always mumbling either. And does it bother anyone else 
>> that if  auto correct and auto predictive text areturned off does the 
>> program still insist on putting parts of words phrases and pronouns in there 
>> that are absolutely never correct and require A lot of extra time to edit 
>> them out? 
>> There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was 
>> happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I 
>> have no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with  work 
>> arounds that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things 
>> that get broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me a 
>> gesture or two thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
>> There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s 
>> fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I 
>> use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to 
>> be sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
>> Deirdre
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>> >  wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the 
>> >>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to 
>> >>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I 
>> >>> can now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary 
>> >>> or mark as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could 
>> >>> flick up or down to delete that particular episode
>> >>> Harry
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Reminders app

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Hello,
Can anyone tell me how I can tell Siri to set a reminder to repeat every single 
day? There is some thing when you go into edit details that says has the option 
of repeating a daily and then ending never but it doesn’t work. Even after 
hitting the done button. Does anyone know how this is best done?
Deirdre


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Quiet rant of the morning

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Hello all,
I’m never one eager to update. I know that some here feel that the security 
patches are very important and so they always make sure that they update. 
However these little bugs that people continue to report, and the things that 
never get repaired, that were not broken before, totally cause me to be 
discouraged about where the heads are at around the programmers and the beta 
testers that do this work on all our behalf. Minor structural changes happen 
over the years, Things like they give the tabs different names, and then they 
put the positioning of things such as delete versus remove in different places 
or substitute them, or cause you to have to use different gestures to remove a 
particular mail from a list of threaded emailsWhen it was so easy to do before, 
at least with voiceover. Who do these minor changes  benefit when other things 
could be corrected, such as things in the rotor… what about the inability to 
select text using the line feature? for those of us using dictation, and not 
always a Bluetooth keyboard, the speech recognition capacity in my estimation 
has greatly deteriorated since iOS 12. I find Siri is more and more cumbersome 
and requires very specific syntax, which I’ve known all along was the case, but 
siri truly seems to have gotten less and less able to make sense out of the 
simplest requests. I find this totally baffling. And I’m not always mumbling 
either. And does it bother anyone else that if  auto correct and auto 
predictive text areturned off does the program still insist on putting parts of 
words phrases and pronouns in there that are absolutely never correct and 
require A lot of extra time to edit them out? 
There may indeed have been useful features in iOS 13, and now 14, but I was 
happy with 12. From what I’ve been reading here in the last week or so, I have 
no intention of updating to 14. I don’t have much patience with  work arounds 
that people have to do. Learning curve., I can cope with, but things that get 
broken  and things that do not get fixed that could save me a gesture or two 
thatI’m all for, I find troublesome.
There’s more I could say about the new SE 20, but I will refrain. It’s 
fortunate that I still love having an  iphone, and I use it daily, in fact I 
use it every hour of every single day just about aside from when I happen to be 
sleeping… So there are still many pluses.
Deirdre
 

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> On Sep 19, 2020, at 4:33 AM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
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> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> While using voice-over, when I go into the Apple podcasts app and the 
>>> podcast episodes in the listen now section, there seems to be no way to 
>>> flick to delete that particular episode as they used to be in iOS 13. I can 
>>> now double tap and hold and select either remove which sounds scary or mark 
>>> as played, but they used to be a simple gesture that you could flick up or 
>>> down to delete that particular episode
>>> Harry
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patient portal and zoom calls

[deidre muccio]

Hello all
> I just had my first zoom call through the Mass General Brigham Gateway 
> portal. I accessed the call through the Gateway App on my i Phone then zoom 
> kicked in. I was in the video mode but then had to turn on audio by calling 
> in. I wrongly assumed just the video would have audio, but that was not the 
> case.
> Does anyone here have experience with making such calls through zoom and 
> their patient portals?
> ?? The problem that remained was that the host could not see much of me, 
> only a piece of my face. Screen curtain was off, and the brightness was at 
> something like 55% and the only other display setting was on light I think.
> Does anyone have any clue why this would be the case? I have been on other 
> zoom calls where my entire body could be seen. Maybe I should have checked 
> around for a button to expand view or something like that. Or maybe they were 
> not zoom calls but were Facetime or What's App calls.
> ?? Thanks in advance for any proposed fixes. I could not even show the 
> doctor the area of my body I wanted to indicate.
> 
> ?? Deidre
> 
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Re: message announcements

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Oh, yes, that did the trick! It was turned off! Thank you so much.

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> On Jul 14, 2020, at 9:57 AM, Isaac Hebert  wrote:
> 
> Have you tried turning on the always speak notifications setting?  To turn 
> on this setting, go to settings. Next go to accessibility.  Once you are in 
> accessibility settings, go to voiceover.  Once in voiceover settings, swipe 
> until you find the always speak notifications setting, and then double tap to 
> turn it on.  Voiceover should start announcing your messages as they come in. 
> HTH
> 
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>> On Jul 14, 2020, at 6:57 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I saw the problem with the phone calls not being announced by finding 
>> announce calls in the phone settings. But now I’m wondering if there’s a 
>> similar setting for Messages. There is none in settings but maybe there’s 
>> some other way to get it to announce who’s just sent you a text message. 
>> Does anyone know? I do have a sound set so that I know when text messages 
>> are coming in but it would be nice if I’m, For example, in the kitchen doing 
>> some thing in the phone is somewhere else if I can tell who it is and if 
>> it’s someone I want to immediately respond to or if it’s someone that can 
>> wait.
>> Thanks.
>> Deirdre
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Re: message announcements

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Hello,
I saw the problem with the phone calls not being announced by finding announce 
calls in the phone settings. But now I’m wondering if there’s a similar setting 
for Messages. There is none in settings but maybe there’s some other way to get 
it to announce who’s just sent you a text message. Does anyone know? I do have 
a sound set so that I know when text messages are coming in but it would be 
nice if I’m, For example, in the kitchen doing some thing in the phone is 
somewhere else if I can tell who it is and if it’s someone I want to 
immediately respond to or if it’s someone that can wait.
Thanks.
Deirdre

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Re: Message and mail notifications

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Thanks. It was on never. I just switched it always. I hope that’s the key! I 
will be thrilled.

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> On Jul 10, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Barbara Stahl  
> wrote:
> 
> Make sure that the announce callers feature is turned on in settings you go 
> to Settings and Phone and make sure it says announce calls always on
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 9:34 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> That's odd,
>> I do get told who my caller is if they are in my contacts.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Thursday, 9 July 2020 5:00 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Message and mail notifications
>> 
>> Hello
>> Can anyone tell me why I with iOS 13 updates I no longer am told the name of 
>> the person either calling in or texting in? I have set a sound that 
>> indicates that a call has come in,,  the phone rings, or when a text message 
>> comes in, but it no longer announces a name. I wish it would announce the 
>> name.
>> Be sure that I am aware I can set different ringers for different callers, 
>> but I don’t wanna do that for everybody.
>> Deidre
>> 
>> 
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Message and mail notifications

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Hello
Can anyone tell me why I with iOS 13 updates I no longer am told the name of 
the person either calling in or texting in? I have set a sound that indicates 
that a call has come in,,  the phone rings, or when a text message comes in, 
but it no longer announces a name. I wish it would announce the name.
Be sure that I am aware I can set different ringers for different callers, but 
I don’t wanna do that for everybody.
Deidre


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard commands question

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I am finally on the Apple site reading through a document on Bluetooth keyboard 
commands. This is extremely helpful. It’s like Google when I have a question I  
 never default to use Google or go to Apple.  I’m not fond of going to the 
Internet To fish through numerous links forinformation even though it’s sitting 
right there. My mistake I guess. At any rate I hadn’t understood how to toggle 
quick NAV on and off from what I read and some of the posts here but now I see 
that I have to press the left and right  arrow down together! How much simpler 
could that be? I am further along on my way!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> To go to the home screen, it is control+options+h
> Hit that twice quickly and you have the app switcher.
> You should be able to then do an up arrow or options up arrow to close the 
> app.
> Options right arrow is next screen, options left arrow is previous screen.
> You can not go to a particular app unless you use Siri.
> For me, with the K480, pressing and holding f1 activates Siri.
> Those are all in the list of commands on my web site and on Apple's.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard commands question
> 
> Hello,
> I was looking through the list of commands for keyboard to operate my iPhone 
> and I didn’t find any even with practice through help for closing an app or 
> moving through the app switcher although I think there was one that I came 
> across  had language of what the  command was called was a little confusing.
> I also didn’t run into commands like go to the next page.  I’m not sure if 
> there are easy ways to let’s say also get to things like a particular app 
> like Contacts or Mail. where would I find an extensive list for discovering 
> all that?
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Press Control+Options+k to get into practice mode.
>> On the Logitech keyboards, the row with the spacebar is:
>> Control, FN, Options, command, Spacebar, Command, Options, left arrow, down 
>> arrow and right arrow.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
>> powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
>> visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last 
>> time I did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light 
>> to show that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two 
>> people couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. 
>> And then everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn 
>> the key describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, 
>> I’ll be visiting your page.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
>>> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but 
>>> all the rest work fine.
>>> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that 
>>> I put on my web site.
>>> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
>>> command, and gesture in three columns.
>>> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.

Re: Bluetooth keyboard commands question

[deidre muccio]

Yes, I see all five pages now. The first instruction on how to get into the app 
switcher and close it is a little confusing but it probably won’t be when I  do 
it.
Thanks. It’s nice to be able to use the keyboard also in combination with just 
a very quick touch gesture so I’m glad that’s possible. I hadn’t assumed that 
that would be the case. I thought I might have to choose one or the other when 
operating the phone.
Deirdre

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> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> To go to the home screen, it is control+options+h
> Hit that twice quickly and you have the app switcher.
> You should be able to then do an up arrow or options up arrow to close the 
> app.
> Options right arrow is next screen, options left arrow is previous screen.
> You can not go to a particular app unless you use Siri.
> For me, with the K480, pressing and holding f1 activates Siri.
> Those are all in the list of commands on my web site and on Apple's.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard commands question
> 
> Hello,
> I was looking through the list of commands for keyboard to operate my iPhone 
> and I didn’t find any even with practice through help for closing an app or 
> moving through the app switcher although I think there was one that I came 
> across  had language of what the  command was called was a little confusing.
> I also didn’t run into commands like go to the next page.  I’m not sure if 
> there are easy ways to let’s say also get to things like a particular app 
> like Contacts or Mail. where would I find an extensive list for discovering 
> all that?
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Press Control+Options+k to get into practice mode.
>> On the Logitech keyboards, the row with the spacebar is:
>> Control, FN, Options, command, Spacebar, Command, Options, left arrow, down 
>> arrow and right arrow.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
>> powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
>> visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last 
>> time I did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light 
>> to show that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two 
>> people couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. 
>> And then everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn 
>> the key describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, 
>> I’ll be visiting your page.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
>>> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but 
>>> all the rest work fine.
>>> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that 
>>> I put on my web site.
>>> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
>>> command, and gesture in three columns.
>>> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cd5ca1a13e6c8401f248508d81f86fb81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637294011886453663sdata=8ZApXCwyl1QI1ATj9nz5viepV1IZffMXyAPs9lQC4J8%3

Re: Bluetooth keyboard commands question

[deidre muccio]

Yeah there seem to be at least two other ways to activate the home button. And 
they’re on different parts of the keyboard.

Deidre Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> To go to the home screen, it is control+options+h
> Hit that twice quickly and you have the app switcher.
> You should be able to then do an up arrow or options up arrow to close the 
> app.
> Options right arrow is next screen, options left arrow is previous screen.
> You can not go to a particular app unless you use Siri.
> For me, with the K480, pressing and holding f1 activates Siri.
> Those are all in the list of commands on my web site and on Apple's.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard commands question
> 
> Hello,
> I was looking through the list of commands for keyboard to operate my iPhone 
> and I didn’t find any even with practice through help for closing an app or 
> moving through the app switcher although I think there was one that I came 
> across  had language of what the  command was called was a little confusing.
> I also didn’t run into commands like go to the next page.  I’m not sure if 
> there are easy ways to let’s say also get to things like a particular app 
> like Contacts or Mail. where would I find an extensive list for discovering 
> all that?
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Press Control+Options+k to get into practice mode.
>> On the Logitech keyboards, the row with the spacebar is:
>> Control, FN, Options, command, Spacebar, Command, Options, left arrow, down 
>> arrow and right arrow.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
>> powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
>> visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last 
>> time I did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light 
>> to show that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two 
>> people couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. 
>> And then everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn 
>> the key describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, 
>> I’ll be visiting your page.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
>>> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but 
>>> all the rest work fine.
>>> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that 
>>> I put on my web site.
>>> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
>>> command, and gesture in three columns.
>>> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cd5ca1a13e6c8401f248508d81f86fb81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637294011886453663sdata=8ZApXCwyl1QI1ATj9nz5viepV1IZffMXyAPs9lQC4J8%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It i

Re: Bluetooth keyboard commands question

[deidre muccio]

That’s odd, I only saw a few key instructions using just the options key. I 
guess I’ll look again. Maybe the document for some odd reason got cut off when 
I downloaded it. Not sure why I didn’t see them. I thought I had gotten to the 
bottom of your document. Ended with a vertical scrollbar say it was at 100%.
Deidre Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2020, at 3:33 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> To go to the home screen, it is control+options+h
> Hit that twice quickly and you have the app switcher.
> You should be able to then do an up arrow or options up arrow to close the 
> app.
> Options right arrow is next screen, options left arrow is previous screen.
> You can not go to a particular app unless you use Siri.
> For me, with the K480, pressing and holding f1 activates Siri.
> Those are all in the list of commands on my web site and on Apple's.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard commands question
> 
> Hello,
> I was looking through the list of commands for keyboard to operate my iPhone 
> and I didn’t find any even with practice through help for closing an app or 
> moving through the app switcher although I think there was one that I came 
> across  had language of what the  command was called was a little confusing.
> I also didn’t run into commands like go to the next page.  I’m not sure if 
> there are easy ways to let’s say also get to things like a particular app 
> like Contacts or Mail. where would I find an extensive list for discovering 
> all that?
> Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Press Control+Options+k to get into practice mode.
>> On the Logitech keyboards, the row with the spacebar is:
>> Control, FN, Options, command, Spacebar, Command, Options, left arrow, down 
>> arrow and right arrow.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> deidre muccio
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:54 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
>> powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
>> visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last 
>> time I did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light 
>> to show that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two 
>> people couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. 
>> And then everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn 
>> the key describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, 
>> I’ll be visiting your page.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
>>> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but 
>>> all the rest work fine.
>>> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that 
>>> I put on my web site.
>>> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
>>> command, and gesture in three columns.
>>> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
>>> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cd5ca1a13e6c8401f248508d81f86fb81%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637294011886453663sdata=8ZApXCwyl1QI1ATj9nz5viepV1IZffMXyAPs9lQC4J8%3Dreserved=0
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgi

Bluetooth keyboard commands question

[deidre muccio]

Hello,
I was looking through the list of commands for keyboard to operate my iPhone 
and I didn’t find any even with practice through help for closing an app or 
moving through the app switcher although I think there was one that I came 
across  had language of what the  command was called was a little confusing.
I also didn’t run into commands like go to the next page.  I’m not sure if 
there are easy ways to let’s say also get to things like a particular app like 
Contacts or Mail. where would I find an extensive list for discovering all that?
Thanks in advance for any help you can give.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Press Control+Options+k to get into practice mode.
> On the Logitech keyboards, the row with the spacebar is:
> Control, FN, Options, command, Spacebar, Command, Options, left arrow, down 
> arrow and right arrow.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question
> 
> I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
> powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
> visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last time 
> I did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light to 
> show that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two people 
> couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. And then 
> everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn the key 
> describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, I’ll be 
> visiting your page.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
>> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but all 
>> the rest work fine.
>> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that 
>> I put on my web site.
>> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
>> command, and gesture in three columns.
>> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C942b448498c042a37a2108d817a6d044%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637285352503973805sdata=5RFpcLpL92MAftBbMrybrCZi56SgKqH91AzT9ip0CnE%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> Wayne, I don't know answer to your question, since I use Apple Magic 
>> keyboard, but want to thank you for sharing the link; will keep this handy.
>> Have a great day,
>> Danney
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 3:29 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> Greetings. I found an Apple Support page with VoiceOver commands for the 
>> Magic Bluetooth Keyboard. Though the page says it is for this specific 
>> keyboard, would these same commands work for other Bluetooth keyboards? I'm 
>> trying to find a quick reference for one of my students. For what it's 
>> worth, here is the link:
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.apple.com%2Fguide%2Fiphone%2Fuse-voiceover-with-magic-keyboard-iph6c494dc6%2Fiosdata=02%7C01%7C%7C942b448498c042a37a2108d817a6d044%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637285352503973805sdata=m60fDrV94aS6zL2FPp4xiVRZzO0RygCNJnM8iFGeG7I%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>&

Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question

[deidre muccio]

Woo hoo. What a great start.  when I was talking to one of the texts at 
Accessibility she said that her a Bluetooth keyboard changed her life. I’m 
assuming this might well be true for me too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 3:04 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Press Control+Options+k to get into practice mode.
> On the Logitech keyboards, the row with the spacebar is:
> Control, FN, Options, command, Spacebar, Command, Options, left arrow, down 
> arrow and right arrow.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question
> 
> I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
> powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
> visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last time 
> I did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light to 
> show that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two people 
> couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. And then 
> everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn the key 
> describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, I’ll be 
> visiting your page.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
>> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but all 
>> the rest work fine.
>> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that 
>> I put on my web site.
>> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
>> command, and gesture in three columns.
>> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7C942b448498c042a37a2108d817a6d044%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637285352503973805sdata=5RFpcLpL92MAftBbMrybrCZi56SgKqH91AzT9ip0CnE%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:29 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> Wayne, I don't know answer to your question, since I use Apple Magic 
>> keyboard, but want to thank you for sharing the link; will keep this handy.
>> Have a great day,
>> Danney
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 3:29 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard command question
>> 
>> Greetings. I found an Apple Support page with VoiceOver commands for the 
>> Magic Bluetooth Keyboard. Though the page says it is for this specific 
>> keyboard, would these same commands work for other Bluetooth keyboards? I'm 
>> trying to find a quick reference for one of my students. For what it's 
>> worth, here is the link:
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.apple.com%2Fguide%2Fiphone%2Fuse-voiceover-with-magic-keyboard-iph6c494dc6%2Fiosdata=02%7C01%7C%7C942b448498c042a37a2108d817a6d044%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637285352503973805sdata=m60fDrV94aS6zL2FPp4xiVRZzO0RygCNJnM8iFGeG7I%3Dreserved=0
>> 
>> Be well,
>> Wayne Merritt
>> 
>> --
>> Connect with me on GoodReads:
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Re: Bluetooth keyboard command question

[deidre muccio]

I have to revisit your page again too. Finally the Bluetooth keyboard is 
powered on. There’s nothing to indicate which way the battery should go 
visually and I flip them in and flip them out twice and I guess the last time I 
did it they were in wrong. Someone fix that today. But also the light to show 
that it’s powered on is almost impossible to see in daylight. Two people 
couldn’t see it and finally one persisted and was able to spot it. And then 
everything. Up just fine. But now I don’t even remember how to turn the key 
describer on. Be busy for the next few hours but after that Richard, I’ll be 
visiting your page.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:10 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> The vast majority of them work for all keyboards.
> My Logitech keyboard doesn't work with the ones that use the FN key, but all 
> the rest work fine.
> I put together a list which I may need to add one or two keystrokes to that I 
> put on my web site.
> I have one version in tables and in Excel that has the action, keyboard 
> command, and gesture in three columns.
> I also have a stand-alone document for each.
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Yates, Danney' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 6:29 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard command question
> 
> Wayne, I don't know answer to your question, since I use Apple Magic 
> keyboard, but want to thank you for sharing the link; will keep this handy.
> Have a great day,
> Danney
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 3:29 PM
> To: viphone 
> Subject: Bluetooth keyboard command question
> 
> Greetings. I found an Apple Support page with VoiceOver commands for the 
> Magic Bluetooth Keyboard. Though the page says it is for this specific 
> keyboard, would these same commands work for other Bluetooth keyboards? I'm 
> trying to find a quick reference for one of my students. For what it's worth, 
> here is the link:
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.apple.com%2Fguide%2Fiphone%2Fuse-voiceover-with-magic-keyboard-iph6c494dc6%2Fiosdata=02%7C01%7C%7C882bbd6db836494801a908d817797995%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637285157778325009sdata=JGu2zHJPCtkbbQyPQBG5uDfSCV5Pxkj2dixc0lVwaYc%3Dreserved=0
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> --
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Re: all is well

[deidre muccio]

So, when rereading this message before replying when it came to the end of 
reading me my message it said expand tool bar and that was a button so there 
are different places where that button to expand the tool bar or shrink it 
appear and that is what I’m calling hiding or in hiding those items. I hope you 
can find it or hear it so that you can get to it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear things are better.
> I have one question about what you said, "A few things I found out is that a 
> 3 finger swipe to the right will hide the options like insert photo, format, 
> etc where they appear just above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the 
> first item which I think is format to do this since you are swiping to the 
> right.
> 
> Is this in Emails?
> 
> I cannot get this to work at all.
> Swiping with three fingers just makes the sound that means you cannot swipe 
> further in that direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: all is well
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Since most of you probably witnessed my perplexing horror over having 
>> a near totally unusable new SE phone, I can say that all has been 
>> resolved. A tentative hardware issue was ruled out by a cursory test 
>> by Yes Computers here in town, and AA said they did not take phones 
>> back unless visibly cracked, etc, I was told to restore the phone and 
>> set it up as new once more. I did this 4 or so days ago, and immediately 
>> noticed a change.
>>   I wonder why restoring the phone to it's factory default did not 
>> occur to me earlier, or was not suggested on any of the calls I made to AA.
>> No problem though, I feel lucky to have them there on call, even if 
>> the wait times are often over ten minutes.
>> I spoke with a tech specialist/supervisor who tested all the things I 
>> still had questions about using her own phone with gmail, voice over, 
>> messages, and Facebook, and this sped the process along. Rather than 
>> screen sharing, since I was very familiar with settings and the 
>> specific nature of problems I was having, she tested functions and was 
>> able to say that this was a still existing bug, or that she had the 
>> same result, so that was affirming. The call had been scheduled in 
>> advance so she was prepared to deal with the phone before resetting 
>> it, and she was gracious enough to  spend the time to clarify those few 
>> remaining questions I had.
>> A few things I found out is that a 3 finger swipe to the right will 
>> hide the options like insert photo, format, etc where they appear just 
>> above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the first item which I 
>> think is format to do this since you are swiping to the right. To 
>> unhide them you would swipe left from the last item. This used to 
>> drive me crazy and it seemed that with these new options visible above 
>> the keypad/keyboard, I had to be far more precise about where I 
>> touched on the screen before one or another of these options interrupted my 
>> carrying on with typing.
>> As for the predictive text and auto correct being turned off, well, 
>> there is no way to get rid of them altogether. The problem is that 
>> while either typing or dictating for instance, the words put in are 
>> rarely what I want, so that still involves having to edit out the unwanted 
>> words.
>> Finally, my settings are tweaked right now so that I have no pitch 
>> changes that do not involve things like capital letters or language changes.
>> As for the roter not staying where you last left it, such as in 
>> messages, that has been well documented, and maybe the overall 
>> function of the roter will be better sometime down the line. It's 
>> predictable I think in that it moves to the previous item so if you 
>> want to wind up back on character or word rather than something else, 
>> then make sure you check the order in which things have been selected in the 
>> roter.
>> Overall the new phone may serve me well over time, but I still prefer 
>> the lighter feel and slimmer thickness of the older models o

Re: all is well

[deidre muccio]

Oh yes, sorry, it’s in a Gmail message in the text body of The message  in the 
native mail app.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear things are better.
> I have one question about what you said, "A few things I found out is that a 
> 3 finger swipe to the right will hide the options like insert photo, format, 
> etc where they appear just above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the 
> first item which I think is format to do this since you are swiping to the 
> right.
> 
> Is this in Emails?
> 
> I cannot get this to work at all.
> Swiping with three fingers just makes the sound that means you cannot swipe 
> further in that direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: all is well
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Since most of you probably witnessed my perplexing horror over having 
>> a near totally unusable new SE phone, I can say that all has been 
>> resolved. A tentative hardware issue was ruled out by a cursory test 
>> by Yes Computers here in town, and AA said they did not take phones 
>> back unless visibly cracked, etc, I was told to restore the phone and 
>> set it up as new once more. I did this 4 or so days ago, and immediately 
>> noticed a change.
>>   I wonder why restoring the phone to it's factory default did not 
>> occur to me earlier, or was not suggested on any of the calls I made to AA.
>> No problem though, I feel lucky to have them there on call, even if 
>> the wait times are often over ten minutes.
>> I spoke with a tech specialist/supervisor who tested all the things I 
>> still had questions about using her own phone with gmail, voice over, 
>> messages, and Facebook, and this sped the process along. Rather than 
>> screen sharing, since I was very familiar with settings and the 
>> specific nature of problems I was having, she tested functions and was 
>> able to say that this was a still existing bug, or that she had the 
>> same result, so that was affirming. The call had been scheduled in 
>> advance so she was prepared to deal with the phone before resetting 
>> it, and she was gracious enough to  spend the time to clarify those few 
>> remaining questions I had.
>> A few things I found out is that a 3 finger swipe to the right will 
>> hide the options like insert photo, format, etc where they appear just 
>> above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the first item which I 
>> think is format to do this since you are swiping to the right. To 
>> unhide them you would swipe left from the last item. This used to 
>> drive me crazy and it seemed that with these new options visible above 
>> the keypad/keyboard, I had to be far more precise about where I 
>> touched on the screen before one or another of these options interrupted my 
>> carrying on with typing.
>> As for the predictive text and auto correct being turned off, well, 
>> there is no way to get rid of them altogether. The problem is that 
>> while either typing or dictating for instance, the words put in are 
>> rarely what I want, so that still involves having to edit out the unwanted 
>> words.
>> Finally, my settings are tweaked right now so that I have no pitch 
>> changes that do not involve things like capital letters or language changes.
>> As for the roter not staying where you last left it, such as in 
>> messages, that has been well documented, and maybe the overall 
>> function of the roter will be better sometime down the line. It's 
>> predictable I think in that it moves to the previous item so if you 
>> want to wind up back on character or word rather than something else, 
>> then make sure you check the order in which things have been selected in the 
>> roter.
>> Overall the new phone may serve me well over time, but I still prefer 
>> the lighter feel and slimmer thickness of the older models of phones 
>> and I still prefer a mechanical home button. Having no home button 
>> might not be so hard for me to navigate so if I need another phone at 
>> some point, I might look for a phone without any home button at all, 
>> meaning 

Re: all is well

[deidre muccio]

Maybe you were at the end of the options rather than at the very first one to 
the farthest left since you’re gonna be swiping right. Is that possible?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear things are better.
> I have one question about what you said, "A few things I found out is that a 
> 3 finger swipe to the right will hide the options like insert photo, format, 
> etc where they appear just above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the 
> first item which I think is format to do this since you are swiping to the 
> right.
> 
> Is this in Emails?
> 
> I cannot get this to work at all.
> Swiping with three fingers just makes the sound that means you cannot swipe 
> further in that direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: all is well
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Since most of you probably witnessed my perplexing horror over having 
>> a near totally unusable new SE phone, I can say that all has been 
>> resolved. A tentative hardware issue was ruled out by a cursory test 
>> by Yes Computers here in town, and AA said they did not take phones 
>> back unless visibly cracked, etc, I was told to restore the phone and 
>> set it up as new once more. I did this 4 or so days ago, and immediately 
>> noticed a change.
>>   I wonder why restoring the phone to it's factory default did not 
>> occur to me earlier, or was not suggested on any of the calls I made to AA.
>> No problem though, I feel lucky to have them there on call, even if 
>> the wait times are often over ten minutes.
>> I spoke with a tech specialist/supervisor who tested all the things I 
>> still had questions about using her own phone with gmail, voice over, 
>> messages, and Facebook, and this sped the process along. Rather than 
>> screen sharing, since I was very familiar with settings and the 
>> specific nature of problems I was having, she tested functions and was 
>> able to say that this was a still existing bug, or that she had the 
>> same result, so that was affirming. The call had been scheduled in 
>> advance so she was prepared to deal with the phone before resetting 
>> it, and she was gracious enough to  spend the time to clarify those few 
>> remaining questions I had.
>> A few things I found out is that a 3 finger swipe to the right will 
>> hide the options like insert photo, format, etc where they appear just 
>> above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the first item which I 
>> think is format to do this since you are swiping to the right. To 
>> unhide them you would swipe left from the last item. This used to 
>> drive me crazy and it seemed that with these new options visible above 
>> the keypad/keyboard, I had to be far more precise about where I 
>> touched on the screen before one or another of these options interrupted my 
>> carrying on with typing.
>> As for the predictive text and auto correct being turned off, well, 
>> there is no way to get rid of them altogether. The problem is that 
>> while either typing or dictating for instance, the words put in are 
>> rarely what I want, so that still involves having to edit out the unwanted 
>> words.
>> Finally, my settings are tweaked right now so that I have no pitch 
>> changes that do not involve things like capital letters or language changes.
>> As for the roter not staying where you last left it, such as in 
>> messages, that has been well documented, and maybe the overall 
>> function of the roter will be better sometime down the line. It's 
>> predictable I think in that it moves to the previous item so if you 
>> want to wind up back on character or word rather than something else, 
>> then make sure you check the order in which things have been selected in the 
>> roter.
>> Overall the new phone may serve me well over time, but I still prefer 
>> the lighter feel and slimmer thickness of the older models of phones 
>> and I still prefer a mechanical home button. Having no home button 
>> might not be so hard for me to navigate so if I need another phone at 
>> some point, I might look fo

Re: all is well

[deidre muccio]

yes, Richard, if you go to the first item which I think is insert format and 
you have a three finger swipe to the right they should go away and then if you 
want to go to the last item and hide stuff you have to go back up your keyboard 
to beyond the Q and the W and then you’ll see a button that says expand tool 
bar and if you I suppose if you hit on the button that will unhide it but I 
just did a three finger swipe to the left and it was all back. It didn’t work 
the first time I did it so maybe my jester was a little sloppy.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear things are better.
> I have one question about what you said, "A few things I found out is that a 
> 3 finger swipe to the right will hide the options like insert photo, format, 
> etc where they appear just above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the 
> first item which I think is format to do this since you are swiping to the 
> right.
> 
> Is this in Emails?
> 
> I cannot get this to work at all.
> Swiping with three fingers just makes the sound that means you cannot swipe 
> further in that direction.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 2:49 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: all is well
> 
>> Hello all
>> 
>> Since most of you probably witnessed my perplexing horror over having 
>> a near totally unusable new SE phone, I can say that all has been 
>> resolved. A tentative hardware issue was ruled out by a cursory test 
>> by Yes Computers here in town, and AA said they did not take phones 
>> back unless visibly cracked, etc, I was told to restore the phone and 
>> set it up as new once more. I did this 4 or so days ago, and immediately 
>> noticed a change.
>>   I wonder why restoring the phone to it's factory default did not 
>> occur to me earlier, or was not suggested on any of the calls I made to AA.
>> No problem though, I feel lucky to have them there on call, even if 
>> the wait times are often over ten minutes.
>> I spoke with a tech specialist/supervisor who tested all the things I 
>> still had questions about using her own phone with gmail, voice over, 
>> messages, and Facebook, and this sped the process along. Rather than 
>> screen sharing, since I was very familiar with settings and the 
>> specific nature of problems I was having, she tested functions and was 
>> able to say that this was a still existing bug, or that she had the 
>> same result, so that was affirming. The call had been scheduled in 
>> advance so she was prepared to deal with the phone before resetting 
>> it, and she was gracious enough to  spend the time to clarify those few 
>> remaining questions I had.
>> A few things I found out is that a 3 finger swipe to the right will 
>> hide the options like insert photo, format, etc where they appear just 
>> above the keyboard. You probably have to be at the first item which I 
>> think is format to do this since you are swiping to the right. To 
>> unhide them you would swipe left from the last item. This used to 
>> drive me crazy and it seemed that with these new options visible above 
>> the keypad/keyboard, I had to be far more precise about where I 
>> touched on the screen before one or another of these options interrupted my 
>> carrying on with typing.
>> As for the predictive text and auto correct being turned off, well, 
>> there is no way to get rid of them altogether. The problem is that 
>> while either typing or dictating for instance, the words put in are 
>> rarely what I want, so that still involves having to edit out the unwanted 
>> words.
>> Finally, my settings are tweaked right now so that I have no pitch 
>> changes that do not involve things like capital letters or language changes.
>> As for the roter not staying where you last left it, such as in 
>> messages, that has been well documented, and maybe the overall 
>> function of the roter will be better sometime down the line. It's 
>> predictable I think in that it moves to the previous item so if you 
>> want to wind up back on character or word rather than something else, 
>> then make sure you check the order in which things have been se

all is well

[deidre muccio]

>Hello all
> 
> Since most of you probably witnessed my perplexing horror over having a near
> totally unusable new SE phone, I can say that all has been resolved. A
> tentative hardware issue was ruled out by a cursory test by Yes Computers
> here in town, and AA said they did not take phones back unless visibly
> cracked, etc, I was told to restore the phone and set it up as new once
> more. I did this 4 or so days ago, and immediately noticed a change.
>I wonder why restoring the phone to it's factory default did not
> occur to me earlier, or was not suggested on any of the calls I made to AA.
> No problem though, I feel lucky to have them there on call, even if the wait
> times are often over ten minutes.
> I spoke with a tech specialist/supervisor who tested all the things I still
> had questions about using her own phone with gmail, voice over, messages,
> and Facebook, and this sped the process along. Rather than screen sharing,
> since I was very familiar with settings and the specific nature of problems
> I was having, she tested functions and was able to say that this was a still
> existing bug, or that she had the same result, so that was affirming. The
> call had been scheduled in advance so she was prepared to deal with the
> phone before resetting it, and she was gracious enough to  spend the time to
> clarify those few remaining questions I had. 
> A few things I found out is that a 3 finger swipe to the right will hide the
> options like insert photo, format, etc where they appear just above the
> keyboard. You probably have to be at the first item which I think is format
> to do this since you are swiping to the right. To unhide them you would
> swipe left from the last item. This used to drive me crazy and it seemed
> that with these new options visible above the keypad/keyboard, I had to be
> far more precise about where I touched on the screen before one or another
> of these options interrupted my carrying on with typing.
> As for the predictive text and auto correct being turned off, well, there is
> no way to get rid of them altogether. The problem is that while either
> typing or dictating for instance, the words put in are rarely what I want,
> so that still involves having to edit out the unwanted words.
> Finally, my settings are tweaked right now so that I have no pitch changes
> that do not involve things like capital letters or language changes.
> As for the roter not staying where you last left it, such as in messages,
> that has been well documented, and maybe the overall function of the roter
> will be better sometime down the line. It's predictable I think in that it
> moves to the previous item so if you want to wind up back on character or
> word rather than something else, then make sure you check the order in which
> things have been selected in the roter.
> Overall the new phone may serve me well over time, but I still prefer the
> lighter feel and slimmer thickness of the older models of phones and I still
> prefer a mechanical home button. Having no home button might not be so hard
> for me to navigate so if I need another phone at some point, I might look
> for a phone without any home button at all, meaning one that has nothing
> differentiated by any perceptible tactile outline.
>Contrary to what some others have said, I don't find this phone
> particularly fast or responsive, especially around touching the home button
> to get back to the home screen or to use Siri, but what the heck. I'm done
> fretting. I've got 2 working phones so unless both act up at the same time,
> at least I will have a backup. Much of my data for Apps like Voice Dream
> Writer and I can't think what else now, is on my old 6 which is pretty much
> defunct since the battery won't hold a charge for long. Everything came over
> via gmail like Notes and contacts and mail and messages so that is good.
> One new plus is that in years past ear buds and earphones gave me pain in my
> ears. I can now use the earbuds with my phone when moving about outdoors and
> I can withstand doing that for up to half an hour before my inner ear starts
> to hurt. I've avoided using any wired or bluetooth ear piece for that reason
> but at least I can now be hands free of the phone when necessary for short
> periods of time at least. If I need to take a call when walking down the
> street, if I choose to do that, it's much easier hitting the button on the
> earpiece than it is having to dig the phone out of wherever it is.
> The last of what needs setting up is the Bluetooth keyboard. It is still not
> paired with either of my phones. Each time I see someone it's not a good
> time to ask them to look at it, make sure the batteries are in right, a
> light is on, and to tell me what those two buttons on the far right say.
> All this might be the only instance in which I could say that I'm content
> with the "new normal." 
> 
> Deidre
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: A Couple of SE Questions

[deidre muccio]

Here in Massachusetts I wants got an alert for a missing child, so that's yet 
another type of amber alert.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2020, at 10:50 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> OK, if a battery that gets you through a whole day isn’t enough, then you 
> need to by a battery pack as that is the best battery life of most iPhones.
> The plus or Max sized phones will give you more at a significant higher price 
> point; far more than if you buy even a $100 external battery pack.
> You can reduce what runs in the background, and keep the screen display dim, 
> etc.
>  
> The alerts are under Notifications.
> At the very bottom of that screen you will find Government Alerts.
> Amber alerts, Emergency Alerts, and Public Safety Alerts.
> You can toggle any of those on or off.
>  
> When the curfew was announced where I live, the public safety alert went off.
> I suspect that is where you would get alerts for hurricanes and earthquakes 
> as well.
>  
> HTH,
>  
>  
> Richard
> Chickens: the pet that poops breakfast!
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carla
> Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Couple of SE Questions
>  
> Just a couple of things.  The one thing I don't care for about the new SE 
> phone is it doesn't seem to have good battery life.  Is there anything I can 
> do to make the battery life longer?  It will hold all day but by the time my 
> day ends it is pretty low.  Also where in settings do I find alerts such as 
> earthquake alerts as someone mentioned.   Thanks!
>  
> Carla
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Re: Hardware issue

[deidre muccio]

Hello Richard, I just went to touch accommodations and don't understand what 
some of those options are. or what they would do. I have shake to undo off and 
I just turn all vibration off. i'm not sure about the whold thing.. I'll  look 
it up. In the morning. Under the major heading of touch I have the reachability 
thing and guided access both turned off.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> It sounds like you are going to see if Apple can fix it right?
> If they can reproduce the issue, they will either replace it or fix it.
> If you have the patience, you may want to look at the Accessibility, Touch, 
> then Touch Accommodations settings.
> There are several settings in there that may help.
> 
> Either way, you really should have it checked out by apple.
> I hope you get it resolved.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deidre 
> Muccio
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 1:43 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Hardware issue
> 
> Thank you for your support Arnold. I am just about traumatized by this phone. 
> It’s not usable. I did take it next-door to Yes computers and the guy was 
> very frustrated first because he couldn’t figure out why the screen was dark 
> but he wouldn’t let me turn off the screen curtain or shut down the voice 
> over before  hegrab the phone from me.  Then he handed it over to a tec. They 
> turn voiceover off tested  the screen said it worked just fine for them. I 
> don’t know what they did. They told me to send it back to Apple. They’re not 
> doing in-store service so I didn’t get to see what they did or didn’t do. 
> They didn’t wanna be bothered to tell the trut. if the techs at Apple also 
> find no problem with the phone I’m gonna find someone to buy it off me, or at 
> least I hope someone will take it off my hands. It may just be the new type 
> of hardware that is too sensitive  and picky with touch gestures alone and 
> causing the cursor to bounce all over. There is really nothing I can do with 
> the phone so I’m reverting back to using the 6S with an earlier version of 13 
> and right now I’m actually using the six to write this email. Like I said I’m 
> traumatized enough by this new phone that I’m even afraid to touch either of 
> these other phones that are lying around the house.
> 
> Deidre
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> Deidre, I am glad it is going back, and hopefully will be replaced.  I don't 
>> know if you read it, but the first day you got it and told us about all the 
>> problems you were having, I speculated that there was something wrong with 
>> it. Everybody else who has gotten one of those phones has liked it and 
>> seemed to have few problems with it. I never thought the problem was you. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
>> 
>> On Jun 1, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Deidre my phone is going back to the shop to be checked out for some kind of 
>> malfunctioning screen. The phones been completely unusable for weeks now. 
>> They can see the cursor bouncing all over the place. See what happens. I 
>> wonder if testing with voiceover on and voiceover off are two different 
>> animals. Whether they’ll see I’ll be able to determine what the real issue 
>> is even if they’re not familiar with how to use voiceover. Is  there an 
>> obvious answer to this question.
>> Deirdre
>> 
>> 
>>> 
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Re: Hardware issue

[Deidre Muccio]

Thank you for your support Arnold. I am just about traumatized by this phone. 
It’s not usable. I did take it next-door to Yes computers and the guy was very 
frustrated first because he couldn’t figure out why the screen was dark but he 
wouldn’t let me turn off the screen curtain or shut down the voice over before  
hegrab the phone from me.  Then he handed it over to a tec. They turn voiceover 
off tested  the screen said it worked just fine for them. I don’t know what 
they did. They told me to send it back to Apple. They’re not doing in-store 
service so I didn’t get to see what they did or didn’t do. They didn’t wanna be 
bothered to tell the trut. if the techs at Apple also find no problem with the 
phone I’m gonna find someone to buy it off me, or at least I hope someone will 
take it off my hands. It may just be the new type of hardware that is too 
sensitive  and picky with touch gestures alone and causing the cursor to bounce 
all over. There is really nothing I can do with the phone so I’m reverting back 
to using the 6S with an earlier version of 13 and right now I’m actually using 
the six to write this email. Like I said I’m traumatized enough by this new 
phone that I’m even afraid to touch either of these other phones that are lying 
around the house.

Deidre


> On Jun 1, 2020, at 1:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> Deidre, I am glad it is going back, and hopefully will be replaced.  I don't 
> know if you read it, but the first day you got it and told us about all the 
> problems you were having, I speculated that there was something wrong with 
> it. Everybody else who has gotten one of those phones has liked it and seemed 
> to have few problems with it. I never thought the problem was you. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
> 
> On Jun 1, 2020, at 12:38 PM, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Deidre my phone is going back to the shop to be checked out for some kind of 
> malfunctioning screen. The phones been completely unusable for weeks now. 
> They can see the cursor bouncing all over the place. See what happens. I 
> wonder if testing with voiceover on and voiceover off are two different 
> animals. Whether they’ll see I’ll be able to determine what the real issue is 
> even if they’re not familiar with how to use voiceover. Is  there an obvious 
> answer to this question.
> Deirdre
> 
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Hardware issue

[Deidre Muccio]

Deidre my phone is going back to the shop to be checked out for some kind of 
malfunctioning screen. The phones been completely unusable for weeks now. They 
can see the cursor bouncing all over the place. See what happens. I wonder if 
testing with voiceover on and voiceover off are two different animals. Whether 
they’ll see I’ll be able to determine what the real issue is even if they’re 
not familiar with how to use voiceover. Is  there an obvious answer to this 
question.
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Re: Logitech Keyboard k480 and iPhone

[deidre muccio]

> I give up. I rebooted the phone, turn the keyboard off, turn the keyboard 
> back on, after turning Bluetooth on after the phone rebooted. The other 
> phones are all off. I do not have an Apple computer. The phone in the 
> keyboard are fairly close to one another. It has batteries the switch is to 
> the left away from the battery compartment and I pressed for a good five 
> seconds the slim little rectangular button underneath the slot where the 
> phone or the tablet fits the one that's to the farthest most right. Nothing. 
> Just says in progress. It's been saying that for a day now. Looks like I'm 
> going to have to buckle down and go next-door to yescomputers who charges a 
> fortune, Basically double what everybody else charges, for anything.  I hear 
> people coming in and out of the shop. I avoid them like the plague. But looks 
> like not gonna be able to do that anymore. tomorrow. I'll call make an 
> appointment if that's how they're handling the lockdown. meanwhile I guess 
> it's back to a book or a movie. My dog has crashed, she's been out for a nice 
> long walk, here in western Massachusetts On a nice windy sunny clear day.

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Re: Logitech Keyboard k480 and iPhone

[deidre muccio]

thanksRichard. It's not happening. My other phones are being picked up, So I 
know it can recognize other devices. I did all that you said, maybe the 
batteries that came with The keyboard are dead. I Will now have to get new 
batteries to see if that's the issue. It's disappointingBecause I was looking 
forward to getting going with the new set because I was looking forward to 
getting going with the new set up!. there's no way voiceover will do an 
acceptable job of things without a keyboard any longer.
OK, now to find another project for the day. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  When the switch on the back is moved away from the batteries, it is on.
> The dial determines which channel you are pairing your device with. Just 
> remember which position it is in when you want to use it.
> Of the two rectangular buttons hold the farthest right hand one down for 
> several seconds while you are in the Bluetooth settings.
> Put the Voice over focus on where it says To Pair an apple watch.
> After about 5 or more seconds, the K480 should show up.
> Double tap on it and it should just connect.
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
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> 
>>> On May 27, 2020, at 4:10 PM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  well I found my Bluetooth keyboard in my mailbox rather than at my door 
>> which is where packages usually are left. And I don't check mail daily but 
>> it has arrived. And I too can't seem to pair it or have my phone pick it up. 
>> I found the two  slim rectangular buttons to the right there's a slider 
>> switch on the back which is either on or off. The battery tab was pulled 
>> out. Don't know what to do with that rotating button at the top I read 
>> something that said I had to set it to channel 1 or 2 or three but maybe 
>> it's  too early to do that at this point. I have no clue how to even get 
>> this thing started so that I can learn  the layout and so on.
>> deidre
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2020, at 6:29 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Did you hold down the button to put it in pairing mode after turning it 
>>> on?
>>> It is the right-hand most of the two rectangular keys that are by 
>>> themselves on the just below the slot for an iPad on the top opposite of 
>>> the dial.
>>> You need to hold that in for several seconds while in the bluetooth 
>>> settings.
>>> The keyboard will show up toward the end of the bluetooth settings after 
>>> the words other devices.
>>> Are you sure you have it powered on?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>>> 
>>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 20, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have but I don't as a default.
>>>> 
>>>> But what is it you're having trouble with.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>>>> Cramer
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2020 5:29 PM
>>>> To: viphone 
>>>> Subject: Logitech Keyboard k480 and iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Does anyone use a Logitech k480 with their iPhone?
>>>> I'm trying to pair mine but I'm missing something.
>>>> I moved the dial to where I wanted it set and did the usual settings, 
>>>> Bluetooth, and it isn't discovering the keyboard.
>>>> Am I missing a step?
>>>> Tom
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Re: Logitech Keyboard k480 and iPhone

[deidre muccio]

well I found my Bluetooth keyboard in my mailbox rather than at my door which 
is where packages usually are left. And I don't check mail daily but it has 
arrived. And I too can't seem to pair it or have my phone pick it up. I found 
the two  slim rectangular buttons to the right there's a slider switch on the 
back which is either on or off. The battery tab was pulled out. Don't know what 
to do with that rotating button at the top I read something that said I had to 
set it to channel 1 or 2 or three but maybe it's  too early to do that at this 
point. I have no clue how to even get this thing started so that I can learn  
the layout and so on.
deidre

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2020, at 6:29 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  Did you hold down the button to put it in pairing mode after turning it on?
> It is the right-hand most of the two rectangular keys that are by themselves 
> on the just below the slot for an iPad on the top opposite of the dial.
> You need to hold that in for several seconds while in the bluetooth settings.
> The keyboard will show up toward the end of the bluetooth settings after the 
> words other devices.
> Are you sure you have it powered on?
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 20, 2020, at 12:05 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>> I have but I don't as a default.
>> 
>> But what is it you're having trouble with.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom 
>> Cramer
>> Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2020 5:29 PM
>> To: viphone 
>> Subject: Logitech Keyboard k480 and iPhone
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Does anyone use a Logitech k480 with their iPhone?
>> I'm trying to pair mine but I'm missing something.
>> I moved the dial to where I wanted it set and did the usual settings, 
>> Bluetooth, and it isn't discovering the keyboard.
>> Am I missing a step?
>> Tom
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Re: From Apple Insider: How to fix the iOS Family Sharing bug without losing your app data

[deidre muccio]

what a nice clean fix this is!


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 25, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> How to fix the iOS Family Sharing bug without losing your app data By Malcolm 
> Owen |
>  
> A recent bug stemming from the Family Sharing feature of iOS and iPadOS is 
> preventing users from being able to run apps they already own on their 
> devices.
> 
> Here's how to fix it while Apple prepares to patch the issue.
> 
> On Friday, a bug surfaced that affected a large number of Apple users, 
> primarily those who updated their iPhone or iPad to the just-released iOS 
> 13.5 and iPadOS 13.5. The bug displays a prompt on screen claiming the app is 
> "no longer shared" with the user, and suggesting they buy it from the App 
> Store to continue using it.
> 
> Due to the mention of sharing within the message, the bug seems to be related 
> to Family Sharing, a function of Apple's account system that allows apps and 
> other content to be shared between a small number of people. This in theory 
> can save a family money, as apps do not have to be purchased multiple times.
> 
> Despite being primarily used for paid apps, the Family Sharing bug seems to 
> also impact other apps stored on a device that were acquired at no charge. 
> Popular apps including YouTube, Facebook, and Discord are also able to be 
> blocked by the bug.
> 
> Given the high number of complaints about the bug, it is probable that Apple 
> is working on some form of patch that fixes it in a future operating system 
> update, though that may take time. Apple has also seemingly attempted a 
> temporary fix in the form of reissued app updates , though this will not 
> necessarily work for every app affected by the problem, nor for all users.
> 
> Fixes for the problem fundamentally involve removing the app from the device, 
> then reinstalling it. While users could simply delete the app manually and 
> reacquire it from the App Store, this can lead to lost app data, or at the 
> very least needing to reauthenticate with the app itself.
> 
> There is a way of accomplishing the same thing while preserving the app data, 
> which involves offloading apps . Offloading apps will delete apps from the 
> device, but preserve any user-specific data, including files created by the 
> app, so the app will be ready to go from the state of when it was last used 
> once it is back on the device.
> 
> App offloading can be set to run automatically, making it a great way to 
> preserve the storage capacity of an iPhone or iPad, but the solution here 
> requires going down the manual route.
> 
> Manual Offloading Once you know of an app that is affected by the bug, head 
> to the Settings app, then enter General , then iPhone Storage or iPad Storage 
> . Scroll down the page to find the app in question, and select it.
> 
> On the new screen, which shows the app's size and documents and data size, 
> select Offload App . A confirmation dialog will appear, requiring you to 
> select Offload App once again.
> 
> Once selected the app will delete.
> 
> Offloading and reinstalling takes a few taps, but keeps your data intact 
> unlike normal deletion. Stay on the same page, and select the new Reinstall 
> App option where Offload App was previously located. This will re-download 
> the app to the device.
> 
> Further Notes Given the potentially high number of apps that may be affected, 
> it is advised to conduct this process while on Wi-Fi, rather than using 
> cellular data connections.
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
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Re: BARD Express for Windows download link plus a link to the user guide

[deidre muccio]

thanks for prompting me to get on the PC letting me know that I could do what I 
wanted that way if not via the BARD Mobile app. I jumped on the PC today and 
added to of the three books I was able to find to my wish list. I also looked 
at the link for bard express. I'll check out going that route next time around 
or until I can simply do it all from my iPhone. I read off my iPhone and  Not 
using my player.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You can download BARD Express here:
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/bmm/BARDExpressInstaller203268.exe
>  
> Here is a direct link to the User Guide:
> https://www.loc.gov/nls/braille-audio-reading-materials/bard-access/bard-express-user-guide/
>  
> In short, with this software, you log in once, from then on it will log you 
> in automatically and you can search for books and either download them to 
> your hard drive, a cartridge, or just add them to your wish list.
>  
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Re: bard mobile

[deidre muccio]

that's where I always go, to the Bard website on the iPhone through the app. 
That's how I've been finding and downloading books for years. So I'll try 
putting stuff into the wish list via my PC. I'm not sure what bard express is I 
am I usually if I'm on the PC will just log into their website. But I'll figure 
it out.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 21, 2020, at 2:16 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> I am all for bard express, and was a beta tester for it when it first came 
> out. But my old computer, which still runs vista, is too old to run it now, 
> so I just log into the web site with it when I want to put something onto my 
> flash drive for my NLS player. The reason I bring this up is that we don't 
> know if she has a computer to use bard express. There are a lot of people now 
> who don't have a computer at all, just these phones or tablets. 
> 
> And on the bright side, they must be working on the app, for some reason, it 
> is going in the right direction. After logging into the bard website section, 
> leaving it to do something else, then going back into the app, it was still 
> logged in. I don't know how long this will work, I will have to remember to 
> go into the web site section before leaving it. Maybe it will be fixed soon. 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 1:45 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If you use the BARD Express program on a Windows computer, you will only 
>> have to log in once, and the interface is very easy to use and to then add 
>> books to your wish list.
>> And yes, in the app, everything works other than the BARD web site piece.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, 
>> it just stops you from enjoying the good."
>> 
>> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
>> www.turner42.com
>> 
>> 
>> On May 20, 2020, at 10:26 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>>  Before giving up on bard, go to 
>> nlsb...@loc.gov
>> via safari and log into that. You will be able to search for your books 
>> there and add them to your wish list. Then, go back to your bard app and 
>> download them using your wish list which should work. It should be logged in 
>> to be able to do that. if indeed you can't even do this, then your problem 
>> is worse than usual, and the people at 
>> nlsdownl...@gmail.com
>> will want to know about your situation. The only reason I have heard of 
>> people having the logging in problem is when they want to use the bard 
>> website section, the other stuff should work. 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
>> 
>> On May 20, 2020, at 11:15 PM, deidre muccio  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> they are in deed a phenomenally fabulous organization. I talked them up all 
>> the time to newly blinded persons that I encounter. Barrd is top of my 
>> list-A true Lifeline. I am surprised that this sort of problem is that 
>> complicated I was grateful several weeks ago that they  put out a notice 
>> saying that those were problems they were having so that some of us didn't 
>> think the problem was at our end. they also specified what you did about 
>> which types of materials were still available. I have a list of things I was 
>> so hoping to be able to access. I think I'll  see if Learning Ally has them.
>> Deidre
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2020, at 7:44 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On that same site, you can download the BARD Express for Windows 
>>> application where you can search for books and add them to your wish list 
>>> with alt+w once you are on the book you want.
>>> You only have to log in with BARD Express once.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Arnold Schmidt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:22 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: bard mobile
>>>  
>>> Remember that this all started when they attempted to do an upgrade that 
>>> failed. Then when they attempted to reinstall the old one is when this 
>>> stuff started. I can log in  to use the browse bard section the first try 
>>> most of the time, but if I switch to another app, then go back to bard, I 
>>> have to log in again. I hope 

Re: bard mobile

[deidre muccio]

they are in deed a phenomenally fabulous organization. I talked them up all the 
time to newly blinded persons that I encounter. Barrd is top of my list-A true 
Lifeline. I am surprised that this sort of problem is that complicated I was 
grateful several weeks ago that they  put out a notice saying that those were 
problems they were having so that some of us didn't think the problem was at 
our end. they also specified what you did about which types of materials were 
still available. I have a list of things I was so hoping to be able to access. 
I think I'll  see if Learning Ally has them.
Deidre




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> On May 20, 2020, at 7:44 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> On that same site, you can download the BARD Express for Windows application 
> where you can search for books and add them to your wish list with alt+w once 
> you are on the book you want.
> You only have to log in with BARD Express once.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
> Schmidt
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bard mobile
>  
> Remember that this all started when they attempted to do an upgrade that 
> failed. Then when they attempted to reinstall the old one is when this stuff 
> started. I can log in  to use the browse bard section the first try most of 
> the time, but if I switch to another app, then go back to bard, I have to log 
> in again. I hope they will fix it, I hope this having to log in again doesn't 
> mean they had too many times of an unauthorized person hacking the site and 
> downloading books. I assume you have written to 
> nlsdownlo...@loc.gov 
> to urge them to figure it out. In  the meantime, there site on the web works 
> well with Safari, it is very similar to the browse bard section of the app. 
> Try 
> https://nlsbard.loc.gov/login/mainpage/NLS 
> Arnold Schmidt 
>  
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone Six
> 
> On May 20, 2020, at 6:40 PM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> does anyone remember how a few weeks ago some of us were experiencing 
> difficulty in logging onto Bard mobile? And there was a message on the site 
> that said they were working on that? Well it hasn't been fixed. I succeed one 
> out of every three times in logging in with the same exact info, The link to 
> write them is not working. And the at symbol and the period. also now missing 
> from the keyboard when  on  their website which didn't used to be the case. 
> and not just that, you can't stay logged in if you close the app. I don't 
> believe that was the case before either. I wonder if Bard is spiffying  up 
> their website with added graphics or visuals like Learning Ally did after 
> they took it over from recordings for the blind. They ruined a perfectly 
> simple to navigate site with who knows what crap that doesn't suit someone 
> visually impaired but probably works for others just fine.
> 
> does anyone know what the scoop on any of this is? I'll look for a phone 
> number and call them in the morning.
> 
> Deidre, Who has definitely run out of patience
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bard mobile

[deidre muccio]

does anyone remember how a few weeks ago some of us were experiencing 
difficulty in logging onto Bard mobile? And there was a message on the site 
that said they were working on that? Well it hasn't been fixed. I succeed one 
out of every three times in logging in with the same exact info, The link to 
write them is not working. And the at symbol and the period. also now missing 
from the keyboard when  on  their website which didn't used to be the case. and 
not just that, you can't stay logged in if you close the app. I don't believe 
that was the case before either. I wonder if Bard is spiffying  up their 
website with added graphics or visuals like Learning Ally did after they took 
it over from recordings for the blind. They ruined a perfectly simple to 
navigate site with who knows what crap that doesn't suit someone visually 
impaired but probably works for others just fine.

does anyone know what the scoop on any of this is? I'll look for a phone number 
and call them in the morning.

Deidre, Who has definitely run out of patience

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Re: iOS 13.5 is NOT released.

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I don't know how  the beta testing works, andI hope this time around that the 
dictation functions with and without Siri, editing and writing functions and 
the rotor are manually not strictly with Bluetooth or braille keyboards are 
thoroughly tested in all kinds of apps from Safari to   various mail programs 
and so onin regard to these sorts of things I find voiceover very inconsistent. 
some of the old dictation corks are also still there such as when you dictate a 
message it puts the sameline in numerous times. Part of that may have to do 
with dictation  being designed to only take a few lines of textDdictated in a 
mail message or text message. That's my guess anyway. i'm wondering if the 
rotor and 13.4.1 is also designed to be used differently because it no longer 
functions the way it once did. And it's not accurate where it says it it is 
when you just turned it to words maybe you get lines and when you try and… it's 
it's crazy. 
is there a typical length of time in which this testing goes on?Who qualifies 
as a beta Who qualifies as a beta tester? Someone who knows the iOS inside out 
I would imagine. Many of you are  very good at that. 
I have nothing to lose by updating the new SE with any new update  since I find 
these functions have been greatly impacted negatively in 13 4.1 and wont update 
the 6S which is functioning better to even 13.4.1. i'm pretty tired of what 
I'll just call the cursor putting things where it's not actually saying it is 
like the D as the first letter of my name which I typed in followed by the 
other characters which ones up at the end of the word for some reason. And 
other things like that continually happen.
my new keyboard hasn't arrived yet but Kayce did. So it's definitely not the 
same size as Son a normal desktop PC keyboard but that doesn't necessarily 
indicate how big the keys are going to be. I haven't measured those on my 
desktop and thank you Richard for doing that on yours. But I'm sure I'll be 
quite happy with it. I see that a logitech 500 is also out, I hadn't noticed 
that when I purchased the 480. That's new or been out there for a while 
already. I didn't bother to look at the specs since I already purchased a 
keyboard.

deidre




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> On May 19, 2020, at 6:46 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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Re: gmail question?

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Danny, I think I'll give it a try.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 10:53 PM, 'Dan' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> hello,
> 
> The Gmail app is extremely accessible. I've been using it for several years 
> and love it.
> 
> Now if it was just as easy to use in my chrome book that would be great.
> 
> Again this really works great for iOS.
> 
> Voiceover works like a charm.
> 
> 
> 
> Danny
> 
>>> On May 15, 2020, at 7:32 PM, Fred Olver  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I have been using gmail on my Iphone for several years, however I never 
>> downloaded the app. Is the app accessible?
>>  
>> Fred Olver
>> Fred Olver
>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/fred.olver
>> Skype: Fred.olver1
>> For more information about my book which is available in accessible formats 
>> go to: http://www.dealingwithvisionloss.com also available as a kindel 
>> download from amazon.
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Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

I read in the description to these two keyboards that they both have numb pads. 
Maybe when you purchased yours they didn't but they have since changed the 
layout. Pretty sure that's what I read. I was a little surprised because both 
Richard and some of the rest of you were saying that neither of these keyboards 
have numbpads. well Siri just put those words in there as no pets rather than 
numb pads. Now that's an excusable misinterpretation of speech isn't it? i'm 
laughing but really I better put this phone down before it drives me crazy. i'm 
still laughing, but really I think I need a little distance now. Device 
distancing.


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2020, at 9:24 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> For comparison’s sake, the K480 keys are about a half an inch across and 
> front to back.
> The keys on my USB keyboard for my computer are about a half inch wide and 
> maybe ¾ of an inch front to back.
> Any idea on the size of the K380 keys?
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chalt...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case
>  
> It depends on what you’re looking for in a keyboard. The K-380 is nice to 
> type on. The keys are large enough. It doesn’t have a numeric keypad. There 
> isn’t a lot of space between the main keyboard and some of the surrounding 
> keys, like the function keys, but the arrow keys are nicely distinguished. It 
> is compact though. It won’t fit in a pocket or fold, but it is solid. If 
> you’re looking for something nice to type on that’s still portable and will 
> pair with three devices then the K-380 is a great choice. If you’re looking 
> for a desktop keyboard though, with a lot of space for the surrounding keys 
> and a numeric keypad then the K-380 isn’t the keyboard for you.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case
>  
> whew! I just read some reviews on the 380 and yes the keyboards small and 
> cramped like a netbook.All the other specs were spectacular though. No lag 
> all those kinds all the other specs were spectacular though. No lag all those 
> kinds of things. So that's definitely out. That's not gonna work for a heavy 
> Typer like me. it is time I learn to use Voice Dream Writer as well right? 
> Get rid of the PC. That's after I learn the commands for the keyboard, or at 
> least where the shortcut keys are or however it works.So I guess it's time to 
> place that order for that 480! then I'll be curious if not using dictation 
> and overriding the router manually stops all the irregularity in being able 
> to edit go back or forward those sorts of things when in a message or 
> anything I happen to be typing and editing
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On May 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  You said you did not want one with small keys.
> This one works great, and while technically you could pair it with a 
> computer, I would never recommend it.
> The K380 does not have the slot for holding iPads, iPhones, or Android 
> devices.
> I just do not know if the keys are standard size.
> I cannot recommend any others as this is the only one that I have used that 
> isn't stupidly small.
> I'm sure others could chime in here with more recommendations.
>  
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
>  
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> 
> On May 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
>  I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure sounds 
> fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot more than 
> I really require or need. For instance I don't need something to hold my 
> iPhone while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame a or 
> design of this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work with windows 
> does that mean it simply operates as like a wireless keyboard to activate 
> anything on my computer which is in a different corner of the room 
> altogether? Is there anything else you can recommend that might  have a  
> simpler design and work the same way? a stripped-down version? I have a 
> wireless keyboard for my PC but as you see, When it comes to the use of my 
> new phone with th

Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

yes, the 380 is 11 inches long, many the keys are around, but when I read 
closer to the size of a netbook I thought no way. Too cramped. No space between 
the keys, if that be if the guys description was accurate. Anyway I'll see how 
this new 480 is and I can always order a 380 if I think it's overkill for my 
purposes. Or order the 380 and see which I prefer.All the other specs on these 
all the other specs on these keyboards are excellent. So that's a definite 
plus. Free returns…
thanks all.
deidre


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> On May 14, 2020, at 11:06 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> The typing keys on the K-380 are round and just a pinch smaller than a dime. 
> They’re actually the same size as the keys on my Das keyboard, except of 
> course that those keys are square. The surrounding keys on the K-380 are 
> rectangular.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 8:25 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case
>  
> For comparison’s sake, the K480 keys are about a half an inch across and 
> front to back.
> The keys on my USB keyboard for my computer are about a half inch wide and 
> maybe ¾ of an inch front to back.
> Any idea on the size of the K380 keys?
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> chalt...@gmail.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case
>  
> It depends on what you’re looking for in a keyboard. The K-380 is nice to 
> type on. The keys are large enough. It doesn’t have a numeric keypad. There 
> isn’t a lot of space between the main keyboard and some of the surrounding 
> keys, like the function keys, but the arrow keys are nicely distinguished. It 
> is compact though. It won’t fit in a pocket or fold, but it is solid. If 
> you’re looking for something nice to type on that’s still portable and will 
> pair with three devices then the K-380 is a great choice. If you’re looking 
> for a desktop keyboard though, with a lot of space for the surrounding keys 
> and a numeric keypad then the K-380 isn’t the keyboard for you.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case
>  
> whew! I just read some reviews on the 380 and yes the keyboards small and 
> cramped like a netbook.All the other specs were spectacular though. No lag 
> all those kinds all the other specs were spectacular though. No lag all those 
> kinds of things. So that's definitely out. That's not gonna work for a heavy 
> Typer like me. it is time I learn to use Voice Dream Writer as well right? 
> Get rid of the PC. That's after I learn the commands for the keyboard, or at 
> least where the shortcut keys are or however it works.So I guess it's time to 
> place that order for that 480! then I'll be curious if not using dictation 
> and overriding the router manually stops all the irregularity in being able 
> to edit go back or forward those sorts of things when in a message or 
> anything I happen to be typing and editing
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> 
> On May 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  You said you did not want one with small keys.
> This one works great, and while technically you could pair it with a 
> computer, I would never recommend it.
> The K380 does not have the slot for holding iPads, iPhones, or Android 
> devices.
> I just do not know if the keys are standard size.
> I cannot recommend any others as this is the only one that I have used that 
> isn't stupidly small.
> I'm sure others could chime in here with more recommendations.
>  
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
>  
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
>  
>  
> 
> On May 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
>  I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure sounds 
> fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot more than 
> I really require or need. For instance I don't need something to hold my 
> iPhone while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame a or 
> design of this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work

Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

I should've compared the dimensions and weight of the two keyboards but it 
sounded like the 380 was quite a bit smaller definitely not the size of a 
normal PC keyboard. But more like a laptop or even closer to a netbook. One 
reviewer said it wouldn't be good for a heavy Typer, and that his fingers were 
already cramping within the first hour of his using the keyboard. I  already 
ordered the 480 and looked at Richard's website and it doesn't look like these 
commands to operate voiceover from the keyboard arecomplicated. At any rate 
it's done. Might take a little while to get here but I'm on my way. I'm still 
irritated that the accessibility features that I most use on my iPhone are not 
working as they once did. i'm going to make up my own list of things that do 
not work using the rotor, do not work when editing, do not work as they once 
did while writing.It is as if I have two cursors now it is if I have two 
cursors now.  where I was at one point is where the cursor is left even though 
I've gone back up to a different part of a message or a body of a message and 
voice over is  telling me that's where I am but when I try and continue on from 
there or edit I'm still back at the bottom of the message where I was before. 
Makes no sense to me. any other things I experience using different apps where 
I get bounced all over the place I will be specific about as well. i'd really 
like to get my hands on an android phone and check out their accessibility 
features especially in regard to to Speechspeech recognition. I might even go 
refurbish next time around. Friend of mine purchased a very high powered phone 
for less than I paid for this SE and doesn't find it anywhere near as quirky as 
his old iPhone. He's not visually impaired though. So accessibility features 
Ddon't come into play in his use of his new phone.
deidre





Sent from my iPhone

> On May 15, 2020, at 3:51 AM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> 
> The k380 doesn’t have the slot for ipad but it does have keys the same or 
> very similar size to that of the k480
>  
> The switching between devices is done via the function keys
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, 15 May 2020 3:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case
>  
> You said you did not want one with small keys.
> This one works great, and while technically you could pair it with a 
> computer, I would never recommend it.
> The K380 does not have the slot for holding iPads, iPhones, or Android 
> devices.
> I just do not know if the keys are standard size.
> I cannot recommend any others as this is the only one that I have used that 
> isn't stupidly small.
> I'm sure others could chime in here with more recommendations.
>  
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
>  
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
>  
> 
> 
> On May 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
>  I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure sounds 
> fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot more than 
> I really require or need. For instance I don't need something to hold my 
> iPhone while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame a or 
> design of this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work with windows 
> does that mean it simply operates as like a wireless keyboard to activate 
> anything on my computer which is in a different corner of the room 
> altogether? Is there anything else you can recommend that might  have a  
> simpler design and work the same way? a stripped-down version? I have a 
> wireless keyboard for my PC but as you see, When it comes to the use of my 
> new phone with the updated iOS, I've been struggling with dictation and 
> voiceover when writing and editing in mail Gmail in particular and in other 
> apps which I'm not happy about. I never had these problems with earlier 
> versions of iOS and earlier models of phones. as you point out however, 13 
> has other features to offer which will serve persons who need them. 
> Deidre Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> The keyboard at Amazon link is:
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard-K480/dp/B00MUTWLW4/ref=sr_1_3/138-0152620-6899420?ie=UTF8=1547578217=8-3=logitech+k480
>  
> The carrying case is:
> https://www.amazon.com/Hermitshell-Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard/dp/B01BXX1808?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B01BXX1808
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." 

Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

whew! I just read some reviews on the 380 and yes the keyboards small and 
cramped like a netbook.All the other specs were spectacular though. No lag all 
those kinds all the other specs were spectacular though. No lag all those kinds 
of things. So that's definitely out. That's not gonna work for a heavy Typer 
like me. it is time I learn to use Voice Dream Writer as well right? Get rid of 
the PC. That's after I learn the commands for the keyboard, or at least where 
the shortcut keys are or however it works.So I guess it's time to place that 
order for that 480! then I'll be curious if not using dictation and overriding 
the router manually stops all the irregularity in being able to edit go back or 
forward those sorts of things when in a message or anything I happen to be 
typing and editing

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  You said you did not want one with small keys.
> This one works great, and while technically you could pair it with a 
> computer, I would never recommend it.
> The K380 does not have the slot for holding iPads, iPhones, or Android 
> devices.
> I just do not know if the keys are standard size.
> I cannot recommend any others as this is the only one that I have used that 
> isn't stupidly small.
> I'm sure others could chime in here with more recommendations.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure 
>> sounds fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot 
>> more than I really require or need. For instance I don't need something to 
>> hold my iPhone while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame 
>> a or design of this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work with 
>> windows does that mean it simply operates as like a wireless keyboard to 
>> activate anything on my computer which is in a different corner of the room 
>> altogether? Is there anything else you can recommend that might  have a  
>> simpler design and work the same way? a stripped-down version? I have a 
>> wireless keyboard for my PC but as you see, When it comes to the use of my 
>> new phone with the updated iOS, I've been struggling with dictation and 
>> voiceover when writing and editing in mail Gmail in particular and in other 
>> apps which I'm not happy about. I never had these problems with earlier 
>> versions of iOS and earlier models of phones. as you point out however, 13 
>> has other features to offer which will serve persons who need them. 
>> Deidre Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The keyboard at Amazon link is:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard-K480/dp/B00MUTWLW4/ref=sr_1_3/138-0152620-6899420?ie=UTF8=1547578217=8-3=logitech+k480
>>>  
>>> The carrying case is:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Hermitshell-Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard/dp/B01BXX1808?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B01BXX1808
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>>  
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Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

True. Size of the keys is probably the most important thing here. For me 
anyway. i'll look and see how the 400 compares to the 300. Price has gone up by 
the way. But that's not a dealbreaker.
deidre


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  You said you did not want one with small keys.
> This one works great, and while technically you could pair it with a 
> computer, I would never recommend it.
> The K380 does not have the slot for holding iPads, iPhones, or Android 
> devices.
> I just do not know if the keys are standard size.
> I cannot recommend any others as this is the only one that I have used that 
> isn't stupidly small.
> I'm sure others could chime in here with more recommendations.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 14, 2020, at 8:37 AM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure 
>> sounds fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot 
>> more than I really require or need. For instance I don't need something to 
>> hold my iPhone while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame 
>> a or design of this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work with 
>> windows does that mean it simply operates as like a wireless keyboard to 
>> activate anything on my computer which is in a different corner of the room 
>> altogether? Is there anything else you can recommend that might  have a  
>> simpler design and work the same way? a stripped-down version? I have a 
>> wireless keyboard for my PC but as you see, When it comes to the use of my 
>> new phone with the updated iOS, I've been struggling with dictation and 
>> voiceover when writing and editing in mail Gmail in particular and in other 
>> apps which I'm not happy about. I never had these problems with earlier 
>> versions of iOS and earlier models of phones. as you point out however, 13 
>> has other features to offer which will serve persons who need them. 
>> Deidre Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The keyboard at Amazon link is:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard-K480/dp/B00MUTWLW4/ref=sr_1_3/138-0152620-6899420?ie=UTF8=1547578217=8-3=logitech+k480
>>>  
>>> The carrying case is:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Hermitshell-Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard/dp/B01BXX1808?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B01BXX1808
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
>>> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, 
>>> Oregon.
>>>  
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Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

I just read the description for this keyboard you recommend. It sure sounds 
fancy, and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. Might be a lot more than I 
really require or need. For instance I don't need something to hold my iPhone 
while I look at it. And that appears to be part of the frame a or design of 
this keyboard. So if for instance it says it can work with windows does that 
mean it simply operates as like a wireless keyboard to activate anything on my 
computer which is in a different corner of the room altogether? Is there 
anything else you can recommend that might  have a  simpler design and work the 
same way? a stripped-down version? I have a wireless keyboard for my PC but as 
you see, When it comes to the use of my new phone with the updated iOS, I've 
been struggling with dictation and voiceover when writing and editing in mail 
Gmail in particular and in other apps which I'm not happy about. I never had 
these problems with earlier versions of iOS and earlier models of phones. as 
you point out however, 13 has other features to offer which will serve persons 
who need them. 
Deidre Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  
> The keyboard at Amazon link is:
> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard-K480/dp/B00MUTWLW4/ref=sr_1_3/138-0152620-6899420?ie=UTF8=1547578217=8-3=logitech+k480
>  
> The carrying case is:
> https://www.amazon.com/Hermitshell-Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard/dp/B01BXX1808?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B01BXX1808
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
>  
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Re: Logitech K480 keyboard and Hermit Shell carrying case

[deidre muccio]

well, Richard, that was the first place I was going to look. I've long since 
had your website saved in a tab in Safari. Thanks again for being such a 
generous and knowledgeable technical support person on this list and I assume 
to whoever else you typically work with.


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> On May 12, 2020, at 6:49 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  I have a couple versions of the keyboard combinations on my web site.
> www.turner42.com
> Take your pick.
> 
> 
> Richard
> Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it 
> just stops you from enjoying the good."
> 
> Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 3:34 PM, deidre muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>  now I guess I should take a look at what kind of key combinations I'll 
>> need to learn.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2020, at 6:21 PM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The keyboard at Amazon link is:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard-K480/dp/B00MUTWLW4/ref=sr_1_3/138-0152620-6899420?ie=UTF8=1547578217=8-3=logitech+k480
>>>  
>>> The carrying case is:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Hermitshell-Logitech-Bluetooth-Multi-Device-Keyboard/dp/B01BXX1808?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q=duckduckgo-d-20=xm2=2025=165953=B01BXX1808
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Richard
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>>> Oregon.
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