Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Better yet, why isn't it running the latest Jellybean? If you walk into an Apple store and buy an IOS device you wil get the latest shipping OS with the latest accessibility improvements. Frank Ventura Email: frank.vent...@littlebreezes.commailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com Voicemail: 781 492-4262 Imessage: frankmvent...@mac.commailto:frankmvent...@mac.com *Sent from my Mac Book Air* On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.commailto:russ94...@gmail.com wrote: The recently released Kindle Fire hd is running Ice Cream Sandwich. Why didn't hey make it accessible? -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comhttp://googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.commailto:vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.commailto:christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.camailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.comhttp://googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.commailto:j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.commailto:anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Well, i am excited for the release of IOS 6 i subscribed to this list tonight, and i hope to get help in the feature. Morgan On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com wrote: Better yet, why isn't it running the latest Jellybean? If you walk into an Apple store and buy an IOS device you wil get the latest shipping OS with the latest accessibility improvements. Frank Ventura Email: frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com Voicemail: 781 492-4262 Imessage: frankmvent...@mac.com *Sent from my Mac Book Air* On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com wrote: The recently released Kindle Fire hd is running Ice Cream Sandwich. Why didn't hey make it accessible? -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
And the Kindle app for ios isn't accessible! -Original Message- From: Ricardo Walker Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I think you me product. Singular. The kindle keyboard. And the accessibility is, shoddy at best in my opinion. Unless you are also talking about the kindle desktop reader for Windows. They couldn't, or wouldn't make an accessible reader for the Mac. :( Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically install iOS 6 anyway. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
This isn't necessarily true. I bought my iPhone 4S after 5.1.1 came out, and my phone still had 5.1 on it. Others on another list have pointed out that they've had similar experiences. Apple, like any other company, does have stock in inventory, and it will take at least a small amount of time for that inventory to clear. This obviously doesn't apply to a new phone like the iPhone 5, and I have no idea when the Kindle Fire HD came out or when Amazon had a port of Android 4.1 ready for it. On 19/09/12 01:13, Frank Ventura wrote: Better yet, why isn't it running the latest Jellybean? If you walk into an Apple store and buy an IOS device you wil get the latest shipping OS with the latest accessibility improvements. Frank Ventura Email: frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com mailto:frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com Voicemail: 781 492-4262 Imessage: frankmvent...@mac.com mailto:frankmvent...@mac.com *Sent from my Mac Book Air* On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:28 AM, Russ Kiehne russ94...@gmail.com mailto:russ94...@gmail.com wrote: The recently released Kindle Fire hd is running Ice Cream Sandwich. Why didn't hey make it accessible? -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com http://googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com mailto:vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com mailto:christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca mailto:ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com http://googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com
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coming in a bit late here, can the new IOS support more than 11 pages of apps? and is moving apps in to folders now fully accessible? I have been finding these 2 issues a real problem on IOS5. Simon - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically install iOS 6 anyway. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I really don't know how, as I have found it far from accessible, and it has just about driven me screaming mad! I have had wrong apps being moved in to folders, or right apps being moved on to another page, resulting in the loss of an app on that page. and that's supposed to be accessible? not in my book it ain't! Simon - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I suspect with the larger screen, you can get more apps in a page/folder, maybe an extra row, but I don't know about additional pages. I've always found adding apps to folders to be accessible, although it did take me a bit of practice. Actually, I find it easier to add apps to a folder than I do moving apps to another page. On 19/09/12 09:15, goshawk on horseback wrote: coming in a bit late here, can the new IOS support more than 11 pages of apps? and is moving apps in to folders now fully accessible? I have been finding these 2 issues a real problem on IOS5. Simon - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically install iOS 6 anyway. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
HI, first off, RELAX!!! You will get it soon. Second, the software releases are usually around 10 am Pacific time. -- Raul A. Gallegos A child's greatest period of growth is the month after you've purchased new school uniforms. Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/19/2012 11:08 AM, AppleGourmet wrote: Hey guys! It's 9 PM on 19 September 2012 and there is no no news about iOS 6 where is it? I'm waiting for it and checking my software updates every five minutes but I don't see it! If anyone gets to download it please let me know. Thank you (Voice converted to text and sent by my iPhone5! Kindly excuse the typos). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Yes, but it's only 8 am Pacific time in the US. I would think it will come out in the next two or three hours. Cheers Alex -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AppleGourmet Sent: 19 September 2012 16:08 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hey guys! It's 9 PM on 19 September 2012 and there is no no news about iOS 6 where is it? I'm waiting for it and checking my software updates every five minutes but I don't see it! If anyone gets to download it please let me know. Thank you (Voice converted to text and sent by my iPhone5! Kindly excuse the typos). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Check out iBlindTech.com democast on apps and folders. It's very helpful. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:51 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I really don't know how, as I have found it far from accessible, and it has just about driven me screaming mad! I have had wrong apps being moved in to folders, or right apps being moved on to another page, resulting in the loss of an app on that page. and that's supposed to be accessible? not in my book it ain't! Simon - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I suspect with the larger screen, you can get more apps in a page/folder, maybe an extra row, but I don't know about additional pages. I've always found adding apps to folders to be accessible, although it did take me a bit of practice. Actually, I find it easier to add apps to a folder than I do moving apps to another page. On 19/09/12 09:15, goshawk on horseback wrote: coming in a bit late here, can the new IOS support more than 11 pages of apps? and is moving apps in to folders now fully accessible? I have been finding these 2 issues a real problem on IOS5. Simon - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically install iOS 6 anyway. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE
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Hi again, Simon, I can understand your frustration, but this is a bit like selecting text to copy and paste with the pinch gesture. It takes practice and a light touch and I don't want to sound condescending, but there are some people who somehow don't seem to learn certain gestures. There are even people who can't get any useable results with the Fleksy app while most people who use it are thrilled by how well it works and how fast one can type with it. And this is not just blind people. I gave my Mom an iPad for her birthday last year and for a few weeks she could just not get the hang of how to move apps either, but eventually she did although I am sure some sighted people don't either. The tricky thing when moving apps is that you have to have pretty good special awareness and let's say I want to drag the app on the very right in row 2 onto the second app from the left in row 3 to create a folder. You have to be able to drag your finger straight to the left and then down a bit, if you start out and end up going on a diagonal and maybe even on a diagonal going up instead of down or down too steep without being aware of that you will definitely have problems. I think in this case the only way is to go very short dispances, just drag an app across the next app and then stop, once 2 apps are either side by side or one on top of he other I find it very easy to put them on top of one another to create the folder. And one more trick. I find it easier to drag a folder around than to drag an app around because if you accidently let go while the folder is on top of another app nothing happens whereas if you accidently let go of an app while it is on top of an app you don't want it will create a folder. So once you have a folder started, just drag it next to whichever app you want to put in it next and then just drag the app over a bit until it's on top of the folder. Good luck, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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no, I am not very good with that sort of thing, but what really doesn't help either, is that voice over doesn't tell me which app I have moved to, so apart from the one I started with, I can't tell if I am on any of the other ones, that I want to put in a folder. is there any way I could do this with an external keyboard, so that spatial awareness doesn't become an issue? as that is definitely not one of my strong suits. that could help a bit if there is. Simon - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi again, Simon, I can understand your frustration, but this is a bit like selecting text to copy and paste with the pinch gesture. It takes practice and a light touch and I don't want to sound condescending, but there are some people who somehow don't seem to learn certain gestures. There are even people who can't get any useable results with the Fleksy app while most people who use it are thrilled by how well it works and how fast one can type with it. And this is not just blind people. I gave my Mom an iPad for her birthday last year and for a few weeks she could just not get the hang of how to move apps either, but eventually she did although I am sure some sighted people don't either. The tricky thing when moving apps is that you have to have pretty good special awareness and let's say I want to drag the app on the very right in row 2 onto the second app from the left in row 3 to create a folder. You have to be able to drag your finger straight to the left and then down a bit, if you start out and end up going on a diagonal and maybe even on a diagonal going up instead of down or down too steep without being aware of that you will definitely have problems. I think in this case the only way is to go very short dispances, just drag an app across the next app and then stop, once 2 apps are either side by side or one on top of he other I find it very easy to put them on top of one another to create the folder. And one more trick. I find it easier to drag a folder around than to drag an app around because if you accidently let go while the folder is on top of another app nothing happens whereas if you accidently let go of an app while it is on top of an app you don't want it will create a folder. So once you have a folder started, just drag it next to whichever app you want to put in it next and then just drag the app over a bit until it's on top of the folder. Good luck, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi Simon, I am not aware that you can move apps with a keyboard. However, Voiceover is announcing which app you are moving and which app you are moving it on to. I just tried this with Sendero GPS and Navigon which I have next to each other on my first home screen. I have Navigon as the third app from the left in row 3 and Sendero GPS as the very right app in the same row, so just to the right of Navigon. I put focus on Sendero and did the double tap and hold until I heard the tone and Voiceover was saying Moving Sendero GPS. Then I dragged my finger just a bit to the left and Voiceover said On Navigon when I dragged it far enough, at first I kept dragging to the left and then Voiceover said Off Navigon, I kept my finger still for a moment and then Voiceover said Row 3, column 3 indicating that at that point Navigon had moved over to the most right position (column 4) and Sendero GPS was now in column 3 where Navigon was before. I dragged a bit right again and heard On Navigon and when I let go Voiceover said Creating Navigation folder. Afterwards I double tapped on Sendero GPS again and just moved straight up a good bit and Voiceover said Outside Navigation folder and after I let go the folder disappeared again and Navigon and Sendero GPS were in their original position. The row and column announcement sometimes is there and sometimes it isn't, but it will definitely say when you are on top of an app and what that app is and Voiceover will also say approaching border if you get close to the left or right edge and it will announce if you are in the correct position where you have to pause and keep holding until it flips over to the next or previous page. By the way, if you want to move an app from page 5 to page 1, just get it to the edge and hold, once it wraps to Page 4 and if you keep holding after about 2 seconds it will go to page 3, then to 2 and to 1. It will keep going until you get to page 1 or until you lift your finger. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over no, I am not very good with that sort of thing, but what really doesn't help either, is that voice over doesn't tell me which app I have moved to, so apart from the one I started with, I can't tell if I am on any of the other ones, that I want to put in a folder. is there any way I could do this with an external keyboard, so that spatial awareness doesn't become an issue? as that is definitely not one of my strong suits. that could help a bit if there is. Simon - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi again, Simon, I can understand your frustration, but this is a bit like selecting text to copy and paste with the pinch gesture. It takes practice and a light touch and I don't want to sound condescending, but there are some people who somehow don't seem to learn certain gestures. There are even people who can't get any useable results with the Fleksy app while most people who use it are thrilled by how well it works and how fast one can type with it. And this is not just blind people. I gave my Mom an iPad for her birthday last year and for a few weeks she could just not get the hang of how to move apps either, but eventually she did although I am sure some sighted people don't either. The tricky thing when moving apps is that you have to have pretty good special awareness and let's say I want to drag the app on the very right in row 2 onto the second app from the left in row 3 to create a folder. You have to be able to drag your finger straight to the left and then down a bit, if you start out and end up going on a diagonal and maybe even on a diagonal going up instead of down or down too steep without being aware of that you will definitely have problems. I think in this case the only way is to go very short dispances, just drag an app across the next app and then stop, once 2 apps are either side by side or one on top of he other I find it very easy to put them on top of one another to create the folder. And one more trick. I find it easier to drag a folder around than to drag an app around because if you accidently let go while the folder is on top of another app nothing happens whereas if you accidently let go of an app while it is on top of an app you don't want it will create a folder. So once you have a folder started, just drag it next to whichever app you want to put in it next and then just drag the app over a bit until it's on top of the folder. Good luck, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post
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You say, (Voice converted to text and sent by my iPhone5! Kindly excuse the typos), but you are looking for iOS 6. Strange as no one has a iPhone 5 yet. is that fact a typo? On Sep 19, 2012, at 10:08 AM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys! It's 9 PM on 19 September 2012 and there is no no news about iOS 6 where is it? I'm waiting for it and checking my software updates every five minutes but I don't see it! If anyone gets to download it please let me know. Thank you (Voice converted to text and sent by my iPhone5! Kindly excuse the typos). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Also you can check out our blog post below on how to do this with ease. http://www.fedoraoutlier.com/move-organize-and-create-folders-with-ease/ On Sep 19, 2012, at 10:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi again, Simon, I can understand your frustration, but this is a bit like selecting text to copy and paste with the pinch gesture. It takes practice and a light touch and I don't want to sound condescending, but there are some people who somehow don't seem to learn certain gestures. There are even people who can't get any useable results with the Fleksy app while most people who use it are thrilled by how well it works and how fast one can type with it. And this is not just blind people. I gave my Mom an iPad for her birthday last year and for a few weeks she could just not get the hang of how to move apps either, but eventually she did although I am sure some sighted people don't either. The tricky thing when moving apps is that you have to have pretty good special awareness and let's say I want to drag the app on the very right in row 2 onto the second app from the left in row 3 to create a folder. You have to be able to drag your finger straight to the left and then down a bit, if you start out and end up going on a diagonal and maybe even on a diagonal going up instead of down or down too steep without being aware of that you will definitely have problems. I think in this case the only way is to go very short dispances, just drag an app across the next app and then stop, once 2 apps are either side by side or one on top of he other I find it very easy to put them on top of one another to create the folder. And one more trick. I find it easier to drag a folder around than to drag an app around because if you accidently let go while the folder is on top of another app nothing happens whereas if you accidently let go of an app while it is on top of an app you don't want it will create a folder. So once you have a folder started, just drag it next to whichever app you want to put in it next and then just drag the app over a bit until it's on top of the folder. Good luck, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Moving apps [was Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over]
In additional to all of the wonderful suggestions, I'd also suggest exploring the screen first to find out where the app is on the screen and where the folder is you want to move it to. I didn't do this at first, and it was pretty frustrating exploring the screen looking for the folder I wanted to move the app to. If you leave your finger too long in one place then you may end up moving your app somewhere you don't want it moved to. Also, I find moving it closer to the folder where you eventually want it to end up is a good idea. It adds a step, but it's easier and less frustrating to do that that to undo an inadvertent move. On 19/09/12 10:56, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Simon, I am not aware that you can move apps with a keyboard. However, Voiceover is announcing which app you are moving and which app you are moving it on to. I just tried this with Sendero GPS and Navigon which I have next to each other on my first home screen. I have Navigon as the third app from the left in row 3 and Sendero GPS as the very right app in the same row, so just to the right of Navigon. I put focus on Sendero and did the double tap and hold until I heard the tone and Voiceover was saying Moving Sendero GPS. Then I dragged my finger just a bit to the left and Voiceover said On Navigon when I dragged it far enough, at first I kept dragging to the left and then Voiceover said Off Navigon, I kept my finger still for a moment and then Voiceover said Row 3, column 3 indicating that at that point Navigon had moved over to the most right position (column 4) and Sendero GPS was now in column 3 where Navigon was before. I dragged a bit right again and heard On Navigon and when I let go Voiceover said Creating Navigation folder. Afterwards I double tapped on Sendero GPS again and just moved straight up a good bit and Voiceover said Outside Navigation folder and after I let go the folder disappeared again and Navigon and Sendero GPS were in their original position. The row and column announcement sometimes is there and sometimes it isn't, but it will definitely say when you are on top of an app and what that app is and Voiceover will also say approaching border if you get close to the left or right edge and it will announce if you are in the correct position where you have to pause and keep holding until it flips over to the next or previous page. By the way, if you want to move an app from page 5 to page 1, just get it to the edge and hold, once it wraps to Page 4 and if you keep holding after about 2 seconds it will go to page 3, then to 2 and to 1. It will keep going until you get to page 1 or until you lift your finger. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over no, I am not very good with that sort of thing, but what really doesn't help either, is that voice over doesn't tell me which app I have moved to, so apart from the one I started with, I can't tell if I am on any of the other ones, that I want to put in a folder. is there any way I could do this with an external keyboard, so that spatial awareness doesn't become an issue? as that is definitely not one of my strong suits. that could help a bit if there is. Simon - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi again, Simon, I can understand your frustration, but this is a bit like selecting text to copy and paste with the pinch gesture. It takes practice and a light touch and I don't want to sound condescending, but there are some people who somehow don't seem to learn certain gestures. There are even people who can't get any useable results with the Fleksy app while most people who use it are thrilled by how well it works and how fast one can type with it. And this is not just blind people. I gave my Mom an iPad for her birthday last year and for a few weeks she could just not get the hang of how to move apps either, but eventually she did although I am sure some sighted people don't either. The tricky thing when moving apps is that you have to have pretty good special awareness and let's say I want to drag the app on the very right in row 2 onto the second app from the left in row 3 to create a folder. You have to be able to drag your finger straight to the left and then down a bit, if you start out and end up going on a diagonal and maybe even on a diagonal going up instead of down or down too steep without being aware of that you will definitely have problems. I think in this case the only way is to go very short dispances, just drag an app across the next app and then stop, once 2 apps are either side by side or one on top of he other I
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hmm, actually it does tell you what you are moving on and off of as you move. But it is true that at the end, if you didn't get it into the folder you wanted, you may have to flick to find out where it ended up. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Sep 19, 2012, at 10:24 AM, goshawk on horseback goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: no, I am not very good with that sort of thing, but what really doesn't help either, is that voice over doesn't tell me which app I have moved to, so apart from the one I started with, I can't tell if I am on any of the other ones, that I want to put in a folder. is there any way I could do this with an external keyboard, so that spatial awareness doesn't become an issue? as that is definitely not one of my strong suits. that could help a bit if there is. Simon - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 4:21 PM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi again, Simon, I can understand your frustration, but this is a bit like selecting text to copy and paste with the pinch gesture. It takes practice and a light touch and I don't want to sound condescending, but there are some people who somehow don't seem to learn certain gestures. There are even people who can't get any useable results with the Fleksy app while most people who use it are thrilled by how well it works and how fast one can type with it. And this is not just blind people. I gave my Mom an iPad for her birthday last year and for a few weeks she could just not get the hang of how to move apps either, but eventually she did although I am sure some sighted people don't either. The tricky thing when moving apps is that you have to have pretty good special awareness and let's say I want to drag the app on the very right in row 2 onto the second app from the left in row 3 to create a folder. You have to be able to drag your finger straight to the left and then down a bit, if you start out and end up going on a diagonal and maybe even on a diagonal going up instead of down or down too steep without being aware of that you will definitely have problems. I think in this case the only way is to go very short dispances, just drag an app across the next app and then stop, once 2 apps are either side by side or one on top of he other I find it very easy to put them on top of one another to create the folder. And one more trick. I find it easier to drag a folder around than to drag an app around because if you accidently let go while the folder is on top of another app nothing happens whereas if you accidently let go of an app while it is on top of an app you don't want it will create a folder. So once you have a folder started, just drag it next to whichever app you want to put in it next and then just drag the app over a bit until it's on top of the folder. Good luck, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Actually, moving apps is fully and easily accessible. It is different from anything you know so requires patience and practice and possibly training to learn. I do it without difficulty. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20/09/2012, at 2:50, goshawk on horseback goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: I really don't know how, as I have found it far from accessible, and it has just about driven me screaming mad! I have had wrong apps being moved in to folders, or right apps being moved on to another page, resulting in the loss of an app on that page. and that's supposed to be accessible? not in my book it ain't! Simon - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I suspect with the larger screen, you can get more apps in a page/folder, maybe an extra row, but I don't know about additional pages. I've always found adding apps to folders to be accessible, although it did take me a bit of practice. Actually, I find it easier to add apps to a folder than I do moving apps to another page. On 19/09/12 09:15, goshawk on horseback wrote: coming in a bit late here, can the new IOS support more than 11 pages of apps? and is moving apps in to folders now fully accessible? I have been finding these 2 issues a real problem on IOS5. Simon - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically install iOS 6 anyway. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I would agree. At first, it was a pain and in fact I often did the whole move app to dock and swipe to the page I wanted to put it on since I had a difficult time doing it otherwise. Now however, and with practice, Ihave no issues moving apps or folders for that matter multiple pages across my phone. The one trick I've learned is if I wish to move an item from the first page to the second or third, I'll double tap and hold till I get the three chime notification and moving item notification, but do it a bit to the left of the item so when i drag it toward the edge of the screen, I can reach the point of where VO says pause for page change or whatever and once that process is done, drag it back more toward the middle of the screen and I'll be on the new screen. If I want to place the item on a further page, then I just drag the item back and forward again and the pause for page change notification comes up again (same goes for when I want to move an item in the other direction, but in reverse(. Much faster than putting one item on the dock swiping left or right and then pulling it out of the dock to where you want and keeping track of whether you've pressed the home button etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 10:26 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Actually, moving apps is fully and easily accessible. It is different from anything you know so requires patience and practice and possibly training to learn. I do it without difficulty. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 20/09/2012, at 2:50, goshawk on horseback goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk wrote: I really don't know how, as I have found it far from accessible, and it has just about driven me screaming mad! I have had wrong apps being moved in to folders, or right apps being moved on to another page, resulting in the loss of an app on that page. and that's supposed to be accessible? not in my book it ain't! Simon - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 3:35 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I suspect with the larger screen, you can get more apps in a page/folder, maybe an extra row, but I don't know about additional pages. I've always found adding apps to folders to be accessible, although it did take me a bit of practice. Actually, I find it easier to add apps to a folder than I do moving apps to another page. On 19/09/12 09:15, goshawk on horseback wrote: coming in a bit late here, can the new IOS support more than 11 pages of apps? and is moving apps in to folders now fully accessible? I have been finding these 2 issues a real problem on IOS5. Simon - Original Message - From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 2:37 PM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, you could if you want to, but there is really no need to. Also, keep in mind that after about a week or so that iOS 6 is released, if you ever have to do a restore on your iDevice, it will automagically install iOS 6 anyway. -- Raul A. Gallegos If you're killed by a wild pig, does that mean you were boared to death? Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/18/2012 11:17 AM, beverly wrote: Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
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That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring
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The recently released Kindle Fire hd is running Ice Cream Sandwich. Why didn't hey make it accessible? -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I
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Why should we wait at all? Don't say that accessibility is brand new here. It kills me that people defend companies who just now are or may want to get accessibility. Google is just starting and amazom are not doing things right. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From
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Ah, you're right. I couldn't find any articles on Google that said the Kindle Fire HD either was or was not accessible. I'd be curious to know if any blind person took the Kindle Fire HD for a spin and found out if Talk Back was built in and how accessible it was or wasn't. On 18/09/12 10:28, Russ Kiehne wrote: The recently released Kindle Fire hd is running Ice Cream Sandwich. Why didn't hey make it accessible? -Original Message- From: Christopher Chaltain Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people
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I'm not defending anyone. I just think it's wrong to mischaracterize what other companies are doing. This by no means takes anything away from apple. How many times have we seen on this list that Android doesn't have a screen reader built in or that you have to pay for a 3rd party screen reader for Android? Someone also said they'd never buy a Kindle since a blind person couldn't turn on accessibility by themselves. Apple is doing a great job with accessibility, and nothing gets taken away from Apple when we avoid statements or implications that Apple is the only company who cares about or is doing anything about accessibility. On 18/09/12 10:45, Mike Maslo wrote: Why should we wait at all? Don't say that accessibility is brand new here. It kills me that people defend companies who just now are or may want to get accessibility. Google is just starting and amazom are not doing things right. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features
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Would anyone know exactly what time I owe S6 .0 would be available for download tomorrow? I'm hoping it will start at midnight. Let's see what it drinks! PS above text was dictated to my iPhone, so excuse the typos! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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There's a difference between not doing as much as others or not doing as much as we'd like or even should be done and not doing anything at all, so yes, I agree a statement like saying a company has over and over again done nothing at all is a mischaracterization. I'm assuming we're talking about Amazon here, which has done somethings to address accessibility on their web site and in their products. I also don't feel that 3rd party screen readers are a joke. I wouldn't have been employed for the last 20 plus years (long before Apple had their own screen reader) if it hadn't been for 3rd party screen readers. I know I'm in the minority on this list, but I think there's a certain amount of danger when the OS, screen reader and applications all come from the same company. It also isn't clear to me that you save much money buying an Apple product where the screen reader is built in versus another product where you can acquire a 3rd party screen reader. Both of these issues have been debated before, and I've made my opinions felt in those debates. Like I said, I'm sure I'm in the minority on those points, and I don't think there's any reason to redebate them now. On 18/09/12 11:04, Mike Maslo wrote: Mischaracterize a company who has over and over done nothing to make there products inaccessible. Public out cry and nothing changes. Yes you are so right mischaracterization So sorry thinking that blind people are brand new to the world. The fact that anyone has to pay to make a phone or any piece of equipment's accessible is a joke. We first pay for a piece of equipment the same price as it our counter parts who are sighted. Then as a thanks we have to spend more money to use it. Yes again I agree mischaracterization. My opinion only. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not defending anyone. I just think it's wrong to mischaracterize what other companies are doing. This by no means takes anything away from apple. How many times have we seen on this list that Android doesn't have a screen reader built in or that you have to pay for a 3rd party screen reader for Android? Someone also said they'd never buy a Kindle since a blind person couldn't turn on accessibility by themselves. Apple is doing a great job with accessibility, and nothing gets taken away from Apple when we avoid statements or implications that Apple is the only company who cares about or is doing anything about accessibility. On 18/09/12 10:45, Mike Maslo wrote: Why should we wait at all? Don't say that accessibility is brand new here. It kills me that people defend companies who just now are or may want to get accessibility. Google is just starting and amazom are not doing things right. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side
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iOS 6 is pretty much the update. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of beverly Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Is it possible that we can skip the IOS 6 and when the update comes out just install that one? - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:38 AM Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well
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We all have opinions. Who is right and who is wrong? No such thing! If you feel the way you do and in a major minority it is a opinion and I respect it. I find it reprehensible that companies are trying to do patch work accessibility. I would agree if the technology was not out there but it is. Not only that but come out with half of there products usable while the others are nut. To me again why pretend? Anyway I have made my opinion known like many others. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: There's a difference between not doing as much as others or not doing as much as we'd like or even should be done and not doing anything at all, so yes, I agree a statement like saying a company has over and over again done nothing at all is a mischaracterization. I'm assuming we're talking about Amazon here, which has done somethings to address accessibility on their web site and in their products. I also don't feel that 3rd party screen readers are a joke. I wouldn't have been employed for the last 20 plus years (long before Apple had their own screen reader) if it hadn't been for 3rd party screen readers. I know I'm in the minority on this list, but I think there's a certain amount of danger when the OS, screen reader and applications all come from the same company. It also isn't clear to me that you save much money buying an Apple product where the screen reader is built in versus another product where you can acquire a 3rd party screen reader. Both of these issues have been debated before, and I've made my opinions felt in those debates. Like I said, I'm sure I'm in the minority on those points, and I don't think there's any reason to redebate them now. On 18/09/12 11:04, Mike Maslo wrote: Mischaracterize a company who has over and over done nothing to make there products inaccessible. Public out cry and nothing changes. Yes you are so right mischaracterization So sorry thinking that blind people are brand new to the world. The fact that anyone has to pay to make a phone or any piece of equipment's accessible is a joke. We first pay for a piece of equipment the same price as it our counter parts who are sighted. Then as a thanks we have to spend more money to use it. Yes again I agree mischaracterization. My opinion only. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not defending anyone. I just think it's wrong to mischaracterize what other companies are doing. This by no means takes anything away from apple. How many times have we seen on this list that Android doesn't have a screen reader built in or that you have to pay for a 3rd party screen reader for Android? Someone also said they'd never buy a Kindle since a blind person couldn't turn on accessibility by themselves. Apple is doing a great job with accessibility, and nothing gets taken away from Apple when we avoid statements or implications that Apple is the only company who cares about or is doing anything about accessibility. On 18/09/12 10:45, Mike Maslo wrote: Why should we wait at all? Don't say that accessibility is brand new here. It kills me that people defend companies who just now are or may want to get accessibility. Google is just starting and amazom are not doing things right. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from
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Can somebody help with the pinch gesture for selecting text? I have tried and tried and tried and tried, but with no success! Any health food be most welcome! Thank you very much! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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If a thumb and forefinger doesn't work, try the index fingers, moving one down and the other right, or whichever combinations you would like to try. I find this is a little more reliable. Hth, Teresa On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:26 AM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Can somebody help with the pinch gesture for selecting text? I have tried and tried and tried and tried, but with no success! Any health food be most welcome! Thank you very much! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I think you me product. Singular. The kindle keyboard. And the accessibility is, shoddy at best in my opinion. Unless you are also talking about the kindle desktop reader for Windows. They couldn't, or wouldn't make an accessible reader for the Mac. :( Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 18, 2012, at 11:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: That may be true, but Amazon has made at least some effort in addressing the accessibility in other Kindle products. I'd also assume the Kindle Fire will move to Android 4.x at some point, so hopefully they'll pick up the accessibility built into Android. I admit this may not be as much as we'd like, and it isn't as much as what Apple is doing, but the implication that Amazon isn't doing anything with respect to accessibility is a bit overstated. On 18/09/12 09:20, Russ Kiehne wrote: At least Apple makes there Ios devices accessible unlike Amazon. Amazon has done nothing to make the Kindle fire or Kindle keyboard fully accessible. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 9:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter
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Itunes works just fine. You can download it now from the Apple site if you wish. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 18, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Rose Combs rosecom...@gmail.com wrote: But will we be able to do the same on iTunes when the release the new one? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Face book: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9
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Certainly using iTunes could be a work-around until Apple hopefully fixes this. Let's just hope the new release of iTunes in October doesn't cause all sorts of accessibility problems. I really like having my iPhone and it's great that Apple has done what they have done, but let's not forget that the iCloud website has been and still is more or less inaccessible and it's been around for a year. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Face book: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16
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my understanding was that you were not required to enter your password on free of charge app purchases, but, still had to for chargeable ones. On 16 Sep 2012, at 22:53, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I've always had to put full credentials on all, even free purchases. - Original Message - From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav for...@talknav.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over my understanding was that you were not required to enter your password on free of charge app purchases, but, still had to for chargeable ones. On 16 Sep 2012, at 22:53, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Was not at all legit and if anyone downloaded this supposed GM copy, there may be functionality broken or other issues. On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Cristobal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: I think there was a posting on Lifehacker or Gizmodo last week outlining how you could already grab iOS 6 instead of having to wait till the 19th. I believe it had to do with visiting a website and downloading this or that file and syncing, etc. I can't recall if they stated whether or not it was a legitimate means of upgrading or not since I didn't bother reading it all the way through since I'm happy to wait the few extra days, but just pointing it out in case there are any feathers to be ruffled with the NDA and whatnot. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Has anyone who has tested Ios 6 written to Apple a11y and complained to them about the app store issues? It sounds like they should know about at least some of the issues. 17 sep 2012 kl. 07:33 skrev James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com: If someone wants to take issue with what you are doing in posting that information, they need to look at the intent. It is not being put out there to give someone some marketable advantage nor is it the type of information that would be used that way. The risk that you are taking, since there unfortunately is one, is much appreciated. Personally I don't know that I understand why there is NDA after the thing has been announced and publicly talked about anyway. The fact that they are going to have the event a week before they choose to officially release it is their choice. So technically there is no NDA over what they said, but if they didn't say it then there is? My personal opinion is that doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me. On 9/16/12, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Thank you to those of you speaking in support of what we're doing. I sincerely hope that Apple will resolve the issues in the App Store before Wednesday, and if they do, believe me, we will commend them on this. It's a tough line to walk with NDA's and things of that sort, but with no real easy way to downgrade to a previous iOS version, we feel it's very important to get the message out so that people are aware of the issues before they start getting into something they may not like. We will, of course, keep you updated as changes are made. I can tell you that the App Store has been tweeked several times last week, and that they are slowly getting better than they were. Take care, Scott On 9/17/12, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I think Applevis should be congratulated for the way it is documenting and explaining this issue. My own personal usage patterns meant that until I read the post and tried to duplicate the findings, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of the breakage. So well done. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AnonyMouse Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 2:45 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave
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All, I have to put in my password for all app purchases unless I just purchased one and was still logged in. Paul -Original Message- From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over my understanding was that you were not required to enter your password on free of charge app purchases, but, still had to for chargeable ones. On 16 Sep 2012, at 22:53, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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didn't know that I will just wait for the update On 9/17/2012 2:09 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Was not at all legit and if anyone downloaded this supposed GM copy, there may be functionality broken or other issues. On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Cristobal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: I think there was a posting on Lifehacker or Gizmodo last week outlining how you could already grab iOS 6 instead of having to wait till the 19th. I believe it had to do with visiting a website and downloading this or that file and syncing, etc. I can't recall if they stated whether or not it was a legitimate means of upgrading or not since I didn't bother reading it all the way through since I'm happy to wait the few extra days, but just pointing it out in case there are any feathers to be ruffled with the NDA and whatnot. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- websites: http://www.xpango.com/?ref=92757322 http://prelaunchx.com/x/hanksmith5 http://www.virtapay.com/r/hanksmith5 http://www.reality-networkers.com/index.php?refid=3950951 personal email: hanksm...@hanksmith.net twitter: @hanksmith2011 facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 zello: hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hey guys! When I first started this thread I was expecting to learn about additions and improvements in Voice Over Instead I waws disappointed, dejected and not pleasantly surprised at the content of the posts. I was looking forward with big eyes and great expectation at new features and hoping for new improvements in Voice Over in the new iOS 6.0. Can someone please post some good news? Give some good new features that they're going to get? Thank you for making my day! Many blessings! Avnish Chopra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi Avnish, There are a few people on here who have developer accounts and have been using the various beta versions of iOS 6, if they take the NDA seriously and I think most of them do, they can't talk about it. Anything else is information available online to anybody. iOS 6 has some very nice new features, but if you are expecting some sort of new miracle Voiceover you will most likely be disappointed. Don't forget, Voiceover itself is an iOS feature and not a stand-alone product. I assume Voiceover will work pretty much the same on iOS 6 as it did with iOS 5. Maybe a few bugs are fixed and maybe a few new ones show up, but we all have to wait until Wednesday morning Pacific time before we get a go at iOS 6. Sorry I couldn't make your day, but I think for the time being both the iPhone as well as iOS which includes Voiceover will continue to evolve year after year and maybe at some point we see again something revolutionary instead of just evolutionary and then who knows if it will come from Apple, Microsoft, Google or RIM. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Thanks Sieghard, I am quite happy with iOS 5.1.1 and 4S. However I would have loved to see an easier way to select text! Somehow the pinch gesture never works! Space Thanks Andy look forward to the 19th! Good night! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation
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Hi, honestly, since the overwhelming majority of people on list, and in general have not used IOS 6, I would just wait until its official release, and see what people are saying then. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:47 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys! When I first started this thread I was expecting to learn about additions and improvements in Voice Over Instead I waws disappointed, dejected and not pleasantly surprised at the content of the posts. I was looking forward with big eyes and great expectation at new features and hoping for new improvements in Voice Over in the new iOS 6.0. Can someone please post some good news? Give some good new features that they're going to get? Thank you for making my day! Many blessings! Avnish Chopra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said
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I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling
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I've not had any problem with the pinch gesture. I believe it takes patience and practice. This is something that even I practice now and then to be sure I can still pull it off. :) I cannot think of a better way really to pull this off, but again it is very doable. On Sep 17, 2012, at 1:21 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Sieghard, I am quite happy with iOS 5.1.1 and 4S. However I would have loved to see an easier way to select text! Somehow the pinch gesture never works! Space Thanks Andy look forward to the 19th! Good night! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi Kawal, Unfortunately this does appear like it could be so, but one never knows, Apple was once in big trouble as well back in the early days and now they are the richest corporation in the world. I am not holding my breath regarding RIM, but as a Canadian and them being a Canadian company who once had the edge on everybody I do wish them well. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 2:13 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Who said RIM? They might be dead from all the gloomy coverage they get. On 17 Sep 2012, at 21:09, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com wrote: I will add that you can search for apps by going to the Itunes store. The search results will have a heading something like Iphone apps. HtH, Teresa On Sep 17, 2012, at 12:09 PM, christopher hallsworth christopher...@gmail.com wrote: Go to apps in the sources tree or sources table depending on platform, and click the button indicating how many updates are available. Next click download all free updates. Supply your credentials when prompted and it will update on the computer side. Finally sync your device and your apps will be updated on the device as well. Sent from my mac On 17 Sep 2012, at 19:12, Ron Pelletier ron.pellet...@sympatico.ca wrote: Hi all, I am one who has always gone to the app store from my phone and never through ITunes. Could someone quickly explain the procedure to update apps from ITunes and that will make me feel a whole lot better about updating to IOS 6. September 19 is my birthday and I would like IOS 6 to be a birthday present and not a pain in the neck. Thanks Ron Danvers -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 10:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hmm, what was it? Do you know for sure from a particular source? Is it harmful? Jim On 9/17/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Was not at all legit and if anyone downloaded this supposed GM copy, there may be functionality broken or other issues. On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Cristobal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: I think there was a posting on Lifehacker or Gizmodo last week outlining how you could already grab iOS 6 instead of having to wait till the 19th. I believe it had to do with visiting a website and downloading this or that file and syncing, etc. I can't recall if they stated whether or not it was a legitimate means of upgrading or not since I didn't bother reading it all the way through since I'm happy to wait the few extra days, but just pointing it out in case there are any feathers to be ruffled with the NDA and whatnot. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
It was the dmg files that apple uses for builds that get posted to the dev portals, so no, it was completely real. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 12:04 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hmm, what was it? Do you know for sure from a particular source? Is it harmful? Jim On 9/17/12, Scott Howell scottn3...@gmail.com wrote: Was not at all legit and if anyone downloaded this supposed GM copy, there may be functionality broken or other issues. On Sep 16, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Cristobal crismuno...@gmail.com wrote: I think there was a posting on Lifehacker or Gizmodo last week outlining how you could already grab iOS 6 instead of having to wait till the 19th. I believe it had to do with visiting a website and downloading this or that file and syncing, etc. I can't recall if they stated whether or not it was a legitimate means of upgrading or not since I didn't bother reading it all the way through since I'm happy to wait the few extra days, but just pointing it out in case there are any feathers to be ruffled with the NDA and whatnot. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone
IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
We'll all find out wednesday -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Avnish Chopra Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:35 AM To: ViPhone Subject: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
From what I have read, this is a feature. If you have already purchased the app, there is no reason to log in when your ID is simply accessing a copy to which it is already authorized. K. W. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I hipe the app store will be come accessible. I don't like the fact I can not update via the phone On 9/16/2012 2:53 PM, Kliphton wrote: It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- websites: http://www.xpango.com/?ref=92757322 http://prelaunchx.com/x/hanksmith5 http://www.virtapay.com/r/hanksmith5 http://www.reality-networkers.com/index.php?refid=3950951 personal email: hanksm...@hanksmith.net twitter: @hanksmith2011 facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 zello: hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Are they working on making the update process accessible? That's really an unacceptable over sight on Apple's part in my opinion. I don't typically use iTunes, choosing instead to use iCloud. On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I agree. That is really extremely unacceptable. That is very basic functionality and there is absolutely no excuse for Apple to break that accessibility. On 9/16/12, Allison Mervis alliso...@gmail.com wrote: Are they working on making the update process accessible? That's really an unacceptable over sight on Apple's part in my opinion. I don't typically use iTunes, choosing instead to use iCloud. On Sep 16, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hello, I'm going to try to put this to a rest. Our posting is correct. We did this so others would be aware of this issue before upgrading. This is one major flaw that we have found on the IOS 6. It is usable to a sense. Just many other features are not. So it is not fully accessible nor totally inaccessible. I do plan on having a podcast on this issue for you to listen. I will show you how to get around some of the problems. I will also show you what you can't and can do on the podcast. You can download the podcast on Wednesday. So before or after you have installed your IOS 6 give this a listen. However, I highly recommend to our users to listen to the podcast as I will mention many more things to note besides the App Store. We are not saying not to upgrade but to know what to expect when you do. That choice is up to you to make. We are trying to let everyone know that there are problems with the IOS 6. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Thank you and your team. I think this is wonderful of you guys to do this. Hope -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AnonyMouse Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 6:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello, I'm going to try to put this to a rest. Our posting is correct. We did this so others would be aware of this issue before upgrading. This is one major flaw that we have found on the IOS 6. It is usable to a sense. Just many other features are not. So it is not fully accessible nor totally inaccessible. I do plan on having a podcast on this issue for you to listen. I will show you how to get around some of the problems. I will also show you what you can't and can do on the podcast. You can download the podcast on Wednesday. So before or after you have installed your IOS 6 give this a listen. However, I highly recommend to our users to listen to the podcast as I will mention many more things to note besides the App Store. We are not saying not to upgrade but to know what to expect when you do. That choice is up to you to make. We are trying to let everyone know that there are problems with the IOS 6. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Hope Paulos Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hello: I too have a question. I am not a tester of the new operating system. Did this new version of the app store get introduced for the first time just before the new operating system is to be released? If so, is there a workable compromise to introduce the old code for the app store until such time as the new code can be made accessible? Thank you. Sent from my iPhone On 2012-09-16, at 4:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hello, I actually think it's a good feature not to have to enter your password. It is my understanding that you also don't have to put in your Apple Id password any more when you download a free app. As long as the password is required when money changes hands I don't see any security issues. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I think there was a posting on Lifehacker or Gizmodo last week outlining how you could already grab iOS 6 instead of having to wait till the 19th. I believe it had to do with visiting a website and downloading this or that file and syncing, etc. I can't recall if they stated whether or not it was a legitimate means of upgrading or not since I didn't bother reading it all the way through since I'm happy to wait the few extra days, but just pointing it out in case there are any feathers to be ruffled with the NDA and whatnot. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi, What about for devices where there is more than one user? I let the rest of my family use my iPad, but I really don't want them to be able to download apps. So long as it's an optional feature (Which it probably will be once iOs 6 is jailbroken) I'm fine with it - in other words: if I'm not forced to use it then it's not a problem. Cheers, Ben. On 9/17/12, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hello, I actually think it's a good feature not to have to enter your password. It is my understanding that you also don't have to put in your Apple Id password any more when you download a free app. As long as the password is required when money changes hands I don't see any security issues. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I agree, I have no problem entering my password when buying something, but having to do so every time I just want to update my already existing apps does become a hassle. Probably one of those security steps needed at first to get people used to downloading apps and feeling safe about it, but now as the action has become so ubiquitous to folks and Apple's more less demonstrated that their purchasing of apps and access to your credit card is safe, then it's time to retire that step. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 4:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello, I actually think it's a good feature not to have to enter your password. It is my understanding that you also don't have to put in your Apple Id password any more when you download a free app. As long as the password is required when money changes hands I don't see any security issues. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 2:54 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over It's accessible, but not as much as on ios5, your not able to update apps with out sited help. The way I have worked around this, is I update them in iTunes, and then sink my phone. The other thing is, when you attempt to install an app, it doesn't ask you for your password to your apple ID, this is a little shaky to me, maybe they will correct it by Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi, I would seriously wait until it officially comes ut. And then what the AppleVis guys have to say. No one can really say at this point due to NDAs. -- Raul A. Gallegos My special ed. teacher is s mean! I was late for class and he called me tardy! He's not supposed to make fun of my issues! Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 5:46 PM, Hope Paulos wrote: There was an article on apple vis that stated that the app store is inaccessible. Can anyone using the beta version confirm this? I'm hesitant to upgrade is this is the case. Thanks. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 5:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
thank you folks was making me a little nervous, but hey I can certainly live with this, and I suspect more changes will be forthcoming hopefully that will fix the issue with the update progress being announced in the app store. I was worried that starting an update or selecting an app would be suddenly not accessible with voice over. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 21:12 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
ooo can I get a link to the article? On 9/16/2012 5:18 PM, Cristobal wrote: I think there was a posting on Lifehacker or Gizmodo last week outlining how you could already grab iOS 6 instead of having to wait till the 19th. I believe it had to do with visiting a website and downloading this or that file and syncing, etc. I can't recall if they stated whether or not it was a legitimate means of upgrading or not since I didn't bother reading it all the way through since I'm happy to wait the few extra days, but just pointing it out in case there are any feathers to be ruffled with the NDA and whatnot. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 3:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- websites: http://www.xpango.com/?ref=92757322 http://prelaunchx.com/x/hanksmith5 http://www.virtapay.com/r/hanksmith5 http://www.reality-networkers.com/index.php?refid=3950951 personal email: hanksm...@hanksmith.net twitter: @hanksmith2011 facebook: http://www.facebook.com/hanksmith5 zello: hanksmith5 Klango: hanksmith Skype: hank.smith966 Amateur radio call sign: ke7ief check out my Youtube video of a song I recorded in Nashville Tennessee! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqut5Bi3e7A also you can find my youtube channel at: http://www.youtube.com/hanksmith2011 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
As has been said, I think since it is a web content thing, that even if it is a huge deal for someone that it is not as big of a deal as something built in. Also, from reading the description of the store issue that was talked about, it is actually exactly the same issue as you can have right now when you open up the manual on your device and if you don't clikc the link that says is better for voiceover and use the page that comes up without doing that, then when you try to navigate using VO gestures you run into much the same issue as was described. Voiceover is not able to scroll the screen with content programmed that way as it should. It also sounds to me like if in the situation that one app is being displayed per page and if voiceover will swipe through and tell you what they are, then you could count how many you have to go over from where you are adn then turn off voiceover and swipe left that number of times. Then turn voiceover back on and you should be in the right place. If the app store is the worst issue I am not concerned. Jim On 9/16/12, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim
Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
ah this is no biggy at least to me thanks fore clearing this up Hank On 9/16/2012 5:51 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
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Yes, searching for apps is problematic because of this and this definitely does need work. If you know what you're looking for, usually you get the app you want, but if you're searching for a fairly broad term, scrolling is a real challenge, for sure. That one definitely needs resolution urgently. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 1:21 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over As has been said, I think since it is a web content thing, that even if it is a huge deal for someone that it is not as big of a deal as something built in. Also, from reading the description of the store issue that was talked about, it is actually exactly the same issue as you can have right now when you open up the manual on your device and if you don't clikc the link that says is better for voiceover and use the page that comes up without doing that, then when you try to navigate using VO gestures you run into much the same issue as was described. Voiceover is not able to scroll the screen with content programmed that way as it should. It also sounds to me like if in the situation that one app is being displayed per page and if voiceover will swipe through and tell you what they are, then you could count how many you have to go over from where you are adn then turn off voiceover and swipe left that number of times. Then turn voiceover back on and you should be in the right place. If the app store is the worst issue I am not concerned. Jim On 9/16/12, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether
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The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Face book: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature. That's all for now, let's wait for Wednesday. On Sep 16, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Avnish Chopra sen...@gmail.com wrote: 48 hours left before we download the new IOS 6.0 with vo. Does anybody know what improvements invoice over? I am really curious. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone
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I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised. Cheers. -- Raul A. Gallegos There's a problem in the cockpit. The cockpit, what is it? It's the little room in the front where the pilot sits but that's not important right now. - Airplane Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Face book: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 9/16/2012 6:58 PM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: I'd very much like to comment on this thread, but I would like clarification on whether the moderators are happy for the thread to continue given that those of us using iOS6 are still supposed to be under NDA. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 10:22 a.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: kliph...@gmail.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Ok, other than the completely rediculously breaking functionality in updating apps, are there any other voiceover accessibility issues or reliability issues? Thanks, Jim On 9/16/12, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: I've been using it since thursday, and yes v o is snappier, especially in iMessage. There are some new features in mail, and we even have a do not disturb feature
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Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let you be the judge of how much you can say. Hopefully people will read this thread in its entirety before commenting. Lastly, to everyone, I still recommend you read all about the new changes before you upgrade. The reason is because once you do, you can't go back, and if you really don't like something, then you will be forced to deal with it sooner than later. As it is, you will have to move forward at some point, but maybe by not jumping the gun so quickly, you won't be as surprised
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To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17
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I agree and no accusation. I was only looking for some way to reconcile the difference and hoping against major issues. I appologize for the comment as it was taken personally and I should not have said it that way. On 9/16/12, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote: To my knowledge, AppleVis has always been extremely informative and reliable. I am glad that this was mentioned by them. As someone pointed out, the store surely can change by Wednesday, so let's hope it will be fixed. In the mean time, I'll rely on AppleVis, as I have been doing for quite some time now. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Sep 16, 2012, at 10:44 PM, AnonyMouse anonymo...@themickeyhouse.com wrote: Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed
RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over
I think Applevis should be congratulated for the way it is documenting and explaining this issue. My own personal usage patterns meant that until I read the post and tried to duplicate the findings, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of the breakage. So well done. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AnonyMouse Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 2:45 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home screen right away, you will be able to see that it in fact has, because you can see the percentage of the download and install changing. So in no way do I think this should be seen as a reason not to update. yes, it would be nice if the update button changed to an updating, or downloading, button after it is pressed, but it isn't inaccessible at all. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 12:44 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hello Jonathan, since many things have already been said and speculated on, I would say that if you have information which helps to clear things up, go right ahead. I'll let
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Hi all. Thank you to those of you speaking in support of what we're doing. I sincerely hope that Apple will resolve the issues in the App Store before Wednesday, and if they do, believe me, we will commend them on this. It's a tough line to walk with NDA's and things of that sort, but with no real easy way to downgrade to a previous iOS version, we feel it's very important to get the message out so that people are aware of the issues before they start getting into something they may not like. We will, of course, keep you updated as changes are made. I can tell you that the App Store has been tweeked several times last week, and that they are slowly getting better than they were. Take care, Scott On 9/17/12, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I think Applevis should be congratulated for the way it is documenting and explaining this issue. My own personal usage patterns meant that until I read the post and tried to duplicate the findings, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of the breakage. So well done. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AnonyMouse Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 2:45 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky isn't falling in, and the App Store isn't inaccessible. I update apps in iOS6 daily. I think it is true to say that the information conveyed by VoiceOver could be more helpful. First, the behaviour of the App Store has changed. As has already been said in this thread, you no longer need to enter your password when you update. You do, however, contrary to some speculation in blogs a while ago, still have to enter your password when you install a free app. When you update an app, you are no longer taken out of the App Store and placed on the page the app is installed on. Instead, you simply stay in the App Store, right where you are. When you double tap the update button, I can see nothing that gives you confirmation that the app update has begun downloading. However, if you go to your home
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If someone wants to take issue with what you are doing in posting that information, they need to look at the intent. It is not being put out there to give someone some marketable advantage nor is it the type of information that would be used that way. The risk that you are taking, since there unfortunately is one, is much appreciated. Personally I don't know that I understand why there is NDA after the thing has been announced and publicly talked about anyway. The fact that they are going to have the event a week before they choose to officially release it is their choice. So technically there is no NDA over what they said, but if they didn't say it then there is? My personal opinion is that doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me. On 9/16/12, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Thank you to those of you speaking in support of what we're doing. I sincerely hope that Apple will resolve the issues in the App Store before Wednesday, and if they do, believe me, we will commend them on this. It's a tough line to walk with NDA's and things of that sort, but with no real easy way to downgrade to a previous iOS version, we feel it's very important to get the message out so that people are aware of the issues before they start getting into something they may not like. We will, of course, keep you updated as changes are made. I can tell you that the App Store has been tweeked several times last week, and that they are slowly getting better than they were. Take care, Scott On 9/17/12, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I think Applevis should be congratulated for the way it is documenting and explaining this issue. My own personal usage patterns meant that until I read the post and tried to duplicate the findings, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of the breakage. So well done. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AnonyMouse Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 2:45 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can vouch for what Jonathon said, me being one of them, there's a chance we won't see improvements until the store changes are completely rolled out. Even if there are none, I'm sure it's something easily fixable since the changes to the stores don't' require a new version of iOS itself. Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 7:52 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over OK, this is my personal experience. The sky
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Hi All I fully support Applevis on this matter, and i appreciate their thoughtfullness towards their members over this issue. I know there're some issues with IOS6, but i'm not expected to be The App Store. I'll reconsider if i should update to IOS6 or not. However, i'm someone who don't upgreat my IOS in the first few days. Why join the rush and having trafic problem on update server? The update won't go away, if i choose to update let say, a week later than the release date. Just my 0.2 sense of thoughts. Regards Joanne On 17/09/2012, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: If someone wants to take issue with what you are doing in posting that information, they need to look at the intent. It is not being put out there to give someone some marketable advantage nor is it the type of information that would be used that way. The risk that you are taking, since there unfortunately is one, is much appreciated. Personally I don't know that I understand why there is NDA after the thing has been announced and publicly talked about anyway. The fact that they are going to have the event a week before they choose to officially release it is their choice. So technically there is no NDA over what they said, but if they didn't say it then there is? My personal opinion is that doesn't make a lot of logical sense to me. On 9/16/12, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. Thank you to those of you speaking in support of what we're doing. I sincerely hope that Apple will resolve the issues in the App Store before Wednesday, and if they do, believe me, we will commend them on this. It's a tough line to walk with NDA's and things of that sort, but with no real easy way to downgrade to a previous iOS version, we feel it's very important to get the message out so that people are aware of the issues before they start getting into something they may not like. We will, of course, keep you updated as changes are made. I can tell you that the App Store has been tweeked several times last week, and that they are slowly getting better than they were. Take care, Scott On 9/17/12, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote: I think Applevis should be congratulated for the way it is documenting and explaining this issue. My own personal usage patterns meant that until I read the post and tried to duplicate the findings, I hadn't fully appreciated the extent of the breakage. So well done. Jonathan -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of AnonyMouse Sent: Monday, 17 September 2012 2:45 p.m. To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Jim, We on the AppleVis don't blow smoke. If we have done that in the past I certainly like to hear about it. I certainly like to say that AppleVis has always been a reliable source of information. As for the App Store issues this may not be a major issue if you consider turning VO on and off to do certain things. However, this is a pain for most others. The Features and the Charts I don't believe you can just do by turning on and off the VO. I will make this statement on behalf of AppleVis. The App Store is the only major problems we have found. As for the other issues with in the IOS 6 itself is very minor. There are bugs but nothing major at all. I don't believe we have ever said there were major issues but we have said there were other issues. So I don't like the way people on here would say we at AppleVis are blowing smoke. Regards, AnonyMouse AppleVis Editorial Team www.AppleVis.com Twitter: www.twitter.com\thomas_domville Zello: =AnonyMouse= -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Mannion Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over I agree and I don't know why they said that. It bothers me that they did. If they were going to go as far as they did, they could at leastmention the areas they were referring to. Let's hope they were blowing smoke and the others are right that there are not other major issues. A few have said there are not. Jim On 9/16/12, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: The thread on AppleVis implied that there are other problems as well. However from what I am reading hear it doesn't look that way. If the only problem that exists is that the app store is hard to use than unlike others I don't really care since I can do the same thing using iTunes. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:12 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: IOS 6.0 and Voice Over Hi, Also, you guys need to realize the changes to the store aren't going to be completely rolled out until iOS 6 launches on Wednesday, so for those that can
