Re: A little more about the new Sonos app

[Mary Otten]

I have no Sonos products, so I don’t have a dog in this fight. But for my money, which none of it is invested here, I would find that response totally absurd unacceptable and just yucky! The app was apparently fully accessible. They made a bunch of changes and now it isn’t fully accessible. They wouldn’t do that to cited people. Therefore, the answer you got from your contact person is BS. Accessibility shouldn’t have to wait. Sided people wouldn’t wait. So screw Sonos! How happy I am that I never bought any of their stuff, which I know is really good. But if this is the attitude they take about Accessibility, well do it eventually, screw them ! Sent from my iPhoneOn May 8, 2024, at 6:06 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I had been in touch with somebody at Sonos back in 2010 and with all these new Sonos app issues I decided to take a chance and send her a message. It turned out that she is still with Sonos and she is now Vice President,
 Global Consumer Direct. Below is her reply to my message in which I was not all that subtle about how I felt by this stupid move to release such an update without making it first accessible:
 
Hi Sieghard,
 
Sorry for the delay in response. I wanted to connect with our product leadership team ahead of responding.
 
They have confirmed that key experience benefits for our visually impaired user community remain a top priority, and their goal is to ensure the new app not only reaches parity with previous versions, but hopefully improves upon the experience
 over time.
 
That being said, some of those accessibility features will be rolled out in upcoming releases, along with a number of additional features that weren't included in the initial release. The current estimation is the app will be at full parity
 within the next 8 weeks. We also expect to release a key update on May 21st that will address some of the biggest gaps that were highlighted in the article you shared.

Here is the "official" company position that was shared yesterday with our online Community.
 
I appreciate you reaching out to me directly, and want you to know I am always available to receive and discuss feedback you have related to your personal Sonos experience. We value your business and long term customer status!
 
Best,
Lindsay
 
The "here" link goes to the Sonos community website where a Sonos employee basically said the same thing"
 
Keith N, Sonos Staff
At Sonos, we take accessibility seriously and aim to build listening experiences that everyone can enjoy.
The redesigned Sonos app was built from the ground up to support both modern and future Sonos experiences, and as part of that, we’ll be implementing ongoing improvements and enhancements over time. On May 7, the app
 will have basic support for screen readers, allowing you to swipe through and read through all items on the screen. Following launch, ongoing improvements to the accessibility of the updated mobile app will remain a top priority. A software release available
 May 21 will improve screen readers so you can select items on screen in any order. Further improvement will be added to the experience regularly until we reach parity with the S2 app by late June. 
In the meantime, the Sonos Windows and Mac applications will continue to operate as normal until our new web app has met our accessibility standards.
Thank you for your patience as we continuously improve the accessibility of the Sonos app.






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A little more about the new Sonos app

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I had been in touch with somebody at Sonos back in 2010 and with all these new 
Sonos app issues I decided to take a chance and send her a message. It turned 
out that she is still with Sonos and she is now Vice President, Global Consumer 
Direct. Below is her reply to my message in which I was not all that subtle 
about how I felt by this stupid move to release such an update without making 
it first accessible:

Hi Sieghard,

Sorry for the delay in response. I wanted to connect with our product 
leadership team ahead of responding.

They have confirmed that key experience benefits for our visually impaired user 
community remain a top priority, and their goal is to ensure the new app not 
only reaches parity with previous versions, but hopefully improves upon the 
experience over time.

That being said, some of those accessibility features will be rolled out in 
upcoming releases, along with a number of additional features that weren't 
included in the initial release. The current estimation is the app will be at 
full parity within the next 8 weeks. We also expect to release a key update on 
May 21st that will address some of the biggest gaps that were highlighted in 
the article you shared. 
Here
 is the "official" company position that was shared yesterday with our online 
Community.

I appreciate you reaching out to me directly, and want you to know I am always 
available to receive and discuss feedback you have related to your personal 
Sonos experience. We value your business and long term customer status!

Best,
Lindsay

The "here" link goes to the Sonos community website where a Sonos employee 
basically said the same thing"

Keith N, Sonos Staff
At Sonos, we take accessibility seriously and aim to build listening 
experiences that everyone can enjoy.
The redesigned Sonos app was built from the ground up to support both modern 
and future Sonos experiences, and as part of that, we'll be implementing 
ongoing improvements and enhancements over time. On May 7, the app will have 
basic support for screen readers, allowing you to swipe through and read 
through all items on the screen. Following launch, ongoing improvements to the 
accessibility of the updated mobile app will remain a top priority. A software 
release available May 21 will improve screen readers so you can select items on 
screen in any order. Further improvement will be added to the experience 
regularly until we reach parity with the S2 app by late June.
In the meantime, the Sonos Windows and Mac applications will continue to 
operate as normal until our new web app has met our accessibility standards.
Thank you for your patience as we continuously improve the accessibility of the 
Sonos app.

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Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[David Grossoehme]

I'd contact Apple Accessibility to start with.  However, being this is 
an application in Windows, I'd press the Windows key + the letter f to 
go into the Micro Soft Feedback and send this problem to them as well.  
That way it is being worked on from both ends, so, the hotkeys don't 
compete with some other hotkey.


Dave


On 2/12/2024 4:09 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


I am not finding any shortcuts.  The ones the buttons speak do not 
work for me with Jaws.  I suspect they are meant for a Mac.  Like, 
alt+l, p for play.


I can only pause and play by tabbing to that button and hitting the 
spacebar.


I do not know if authorizing is in the Apple Music app, I have not 
found it.


Since I had already authorized the computer with iTunes, I suspect 
that is not necessary to do again.


I  cannot find a way to do a shortcut for the Apple Music app.  I 
could do that for the Apple Devices app.


HTH,

Richard, USA

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stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through 
Hell to get it.”


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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Jen .

*Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2024 10:13 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

Hi,

In the Apple Music app on the PC does anyone know what the jaws 
shortcut key is to play and pause a song? Also, how do you make 
shortcuts to the desktop when you are using the apps?




On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
wrote:



I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any
music you have saved.

I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is
provided because it clearly states in one of the articles that the
new Apple Music app continues to use the same music library you
have already.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *Robert Doc Wright
*Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

you can open

C:\users\username\music\itunes media\

copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.

- Original Message -

*From:*llump...@austin.rr.com

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com

*Sent:*Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM

*Subject:*RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music
snags are in itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*On Behalf Of *Robert Doc Wright
*Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the
heading of "files" I saw no specific mention of ring tones.

- Original Message -

*From:*Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com

*Sent:*Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM

*Subject:*RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you
would know the answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:

"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the
iTunes for Windows app."

and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also
didn't read the articles as he stated, but if he had he
would have also read that these apps are available for
both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also
had links for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who
use iTunes for Windows with an iPhone or to access Apple
Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, Apple has
released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and
Apple TV as well as a new Devices management app to
replace former functionality in iTunes for Windows:

·Apple Devices

<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones:
perform backups, sync data, and install iOS updates.

·Read the Apple Devices User Guide

<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you want to try Apple Music you also have to download Apple TV and Apple 
Devices, if you don't and open iTunes you will be prompted to download them.
After you download the new apps, all iTunes is good for is Podcasts and Audio 
Books and if you want to go back to using iTunes you have to first uninstall 
the 3 new apps.
And for those who don't believe me, here is an article directly from Apple 
Support, first I give the link for those who want to read it online and next I 
pasted the article for those who don't:

Download iTunes for Windows - Apple 
Support<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT210384>

In Windows 10 and later, you can access your music, video content, and Apple 
devices in their own dedicated apps: Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple 
Devices app. If your PC doesn’t support these apps, you can continue to use 
iTunes for Windows.

Use the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple Devices app for Windows
Instead of iTunes, you can use three dedicated apps designed specifically for 
listening to music, watching content, and managing your Apple devices.

Apple Music app
Listen to and manage music from your iTunes library, including your iTunes 
Store purchases.
Learn more about the Apple Music app for 
Windows<https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome>

Apple TV app
Watch and manage movies and TV shows from your iTunes library, including your 
iTunes Store purchases.
Learn more about the Apple TV app for 
Windows<https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome>

Apple Devices app
Manually update, back up, restore, and manage your iPhone or iPad. And manually 
sync content from your PC.
Learn more about the Apple Devices app for 
Windows<https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome>

Important things to know about the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple 
Devices app
·You need Windows 10 or later.
·You need to download all three apps: Apple Music app, Apple TV app, 
and Apple Devices app. If you download only one of these apps, iTunes will 
prompt you to download the other two apps to access your music and video 
content from your iTunes library.
·After you download these apps, you can use iTunes to access only your 
podcasts and audiobooks.
·The Apple Music app and Apple TV app read the contents of your iTunes 
library — so don't delete your iTunes library.
·To access your iTunes Store purchases in the Apple Music app and Apple 
TV app, you need to authorize your computer with your Apple 
ID<https://support.apple.com/kb/HT201251>.
What happens to iTunes after you download the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, 
and Apple Devices app
After you download the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple Devices app, 
you won't see any of your music or video content in iTunes. And you can't use 
iTunes to manually sync and manage your iPhone or iPad. You can use iTunes to 
access only your podcasts and audiobooks.
To access your music and video content from your iTunes library, use the Apple 
Music app and Apple TV app. To manage your iPhone or iPad, use the Apple 
Devices app.
Download and update the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple Devices app
·Download the Apple Music app for Windows from the Microsoft 
Store<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-music-preview/9PFHDD62MXS1?hl=en-us=us=1>
·Download the Apple TV app for Windows from the Microsoft 
Store<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-tv-preview/9NM4T8B9JQZ1>
·Download the Apple Devices app for Windows from the Microsoft 
Store<https://apps.microsoft.com/store/detail/apple-devices-preview/9NP83LWLPZ9K>
After you download the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple Devices app, 
you can check for updates in the Microsoft Store.

If your PC doesn't support the Apple Music app, Apple TV app, and Apple Devices 
app
If your PC doesn't meet the system requirements for the Apple Music app, Apple 
TV app, and Apple Devices app, you can continue to use iTunes for Windows.
How to get iTunes for Windows
Download iTunes for Windows from the Microsoft 
Store<https://www.microsoft.com/p/itunes/9pb2mz1zmb1s?rtc=1=pivot:overviewtab>
If you need help downloading iTunes from the Microsoft Store or managing iTunes 
for Windows, contact Microsoft<https://support.apple.com/kb/HT201777>.
After you download iTunes for Windows, you can check for updates in the 
Microsoft Store.
Learn more about iTunes for Windows
Learn how to use iTunes for Windows in the User 
Guide<https://support.apple.com/guide/itunes/welcome/windows>

Published Date: February 07, 2024

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jessica 
Dail
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

Hi,
I tried to play my content earlier, but it told me I needed to authorize this 
computer, before I could do so.
I had already previously autho

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Richard Turner]

I still have iTunes installed and can play music with the Apple Music app.

Perhaps a call to Apple Accessibility?

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jessica 
Dail
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 1:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

Hi, 

I tried to play my content earlier, but it told me I needed to authorize this 
computer, before I could do so.

I had already previously authorized the computer with iTunes, which I still 
have installed. Can you have both installed simultaneously?

Best regards, 

Jessica Dail





On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:09 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

 

I am not finding any shortcuts.  The ones the buttons speak do not work for me 
with Jaws.  I suspect they are meant for a Mac.  Like, alt+l, p for play.

I can only pause and play by tabbing to that button and hitting the spacebar.

 

I do not know if authorizing is in the Apple Music app, I have not found it.

Since I had already authorized the computer with iTunes, I suspect that is not 
necessary to do again.

 

I  cannot find a way to do a shortcut for the Apple Music app.  I could do that 
for the Apple Devices app.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

Hi,

In the Apple Music app on the PC does anyone know what the jaws shortcut key is 
to play and pause a song? Also, how do you make shortcuts to the desktop when 
you are using the apps?






On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any music you have 
saved.

I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is provided because 
it clearly states in one of the articles that the new Apple Music app continues 
to use the same music library you have already.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

you can open 

C:\users\username\music\itunes media\

copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.

- Original Message - 

From: llump...@austin.rr.com <mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM

Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM

Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:

"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."

and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

 

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with

Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
I tried to play my content earlier, but it told me I needed to authorize this 
computer, before I could do so.
I had already previously authorized the computer with iTunes, which I still 
have installed. Can you have both installed simultaneously?
Best regards,
Jessica Dail

On Feb 12, 2024, at 4:09 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:


I am not finding any shortcuts.  The ones the buttons speak do not work for me 
with Jaws.  I suspect they are meant for a Mac.  Like, alt+l, p for play.
I can only pause and play by tabbing to that button and hitting the spacebar.

I do not know if authorizing is in the Apple Music app, I have not found it.
Since I had already authorized the computer with iTunes, I suspect that is not 
necessary to do again.

I  cannot find a way to do a shortcut for the Apple Music app.  I could do that 
for the Apple Devices app.

HTH,


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715),
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

Hi,
In the Apple Music app on the PC does anyone know what the jaws shortcut key is 
to play and pause a song? Also, how do you make shortcuts to the desktop when 
you are using the apps?


On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any music you have 
saved.
I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is provided because 
it clearly states in one of the articles that the new Apple Music app continues 
to use the same music library you have already.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

you can open
C:\users\username\music\itunes media\
copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.
- Original Message -
From: llump...@austin.rr.com<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
•Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
•Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Richard Turner]

I am not finding any shortcuts.  The ones the buttons speak do not work for me 
with Jaws.  I suspect they are meant for a Mac.  Like, alt+l, p for play.

I can only pause and play by tabbing to that button and hitting the spacebar.

 

I do not know if authorizing is in the Apple Music app, I have not found it.

Since I had already authorized the computer with iTunes, I suspect that is not 
necessary to do again.

 

I  cannot find a way to do a shortcut for the Apple Music app.  I could do that 
for the Apple Devices app.

 

HTH,

 

 

Richard, USA

“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”

-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

 

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/

 

Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jen .
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2024 10:13 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

Hi,

In the Apple Music app on the PC does anyone know what the jaws shortcut key is 
to play and pause a song? Also, how do you make shortcuts to the desktop when 
you are using the apps?





On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any music you have 
saved.

I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is provided because 
it clearly states in one of the articles that the new Apple Music app continues 
to use the same music library you have already.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

you can open 

C:\users\username\music\itunes media\

copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.

- Original Message - 

From: llump...@austin.rr.com <mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM

Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM

Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:

"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."

and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

 

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Apple Devices: This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: 
perform backups, sync data, and install iOS updates.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Read the Apple Devices User Guide.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Apple Music: Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well

Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
With this new setup, how would we go about syncing ringtones?
How do I tell the program to authorize my pc, so I can play my content, which 
I've purchased?

Best regards,
Jessica Dail

On Feb 12, 2024, at 1:13 PM, Jen .  wrote:


Hi,
In the Apple Music app on the PC does anyone know what the jaws shortcut key is 
to play and pause a song? Also, how do you make shortcuts to the desktop when 
you are using the apps?

On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any music you have 
saved.
I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is provided because 
it clearly states in one of the articles that the new Apple Music app continues 
to use the same music library you have already.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

you can open
C:\users\username\music\itunes media\
copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.
- Original Message -
From: llump...@austin.rr.com<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
•Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
•Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
•Read the Apple Music User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
TV<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
•Read the Apple TV User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps 

Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Jen .]

Hi,
In the Apple Music app on the PC does anyone know what the jaws shortcut key is 
to play and pause a song? Also, how do you make shortcuts to the desktop when 
you are using the apps?

On Feb 12, 2024, at 12:42 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:


I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any music you have 
saved.
I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is provided because 
it clearly states in one of the articles that the new Apple Music app continues 
to use the same music library you have already.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

you can open
C:\users\username\music\itunes media\
copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.
- Original Message -
From: llump...@austin.rr.com<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
•Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
•Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
•Read the Apple Music User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
TV<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
•Read the Apple TV User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. Apple 
released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes Music 
Store support.
Apple has a support document with more information on the new 
apps<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X15

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Ringtones are the only item not yet covered in the Apple devices app which is 
something I pointed out. And of course Podcasts and Audio Books and I assume 
eBooks from Apple, but that is also in the articles.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 6:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
•Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
•Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
•Read the Apple Music User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
TV<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
•Read the Apple TV User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. Apple 
released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes Music 
Store support.
Apple has a support document with more information on the new 
apps<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210384#619=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.

Apple has also released a redesigned iCloud for 
Windows<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/apps/9PKTQ5699M62=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 app. The new app makes it cleaner to see what apps are using iCloud, gauge how 
much iCloud+ storage is being used, and more.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

What about podcasts?  I keep seeing references to tv & music but not to 
podcasts.  Will the current version of ITunes support podcasts on a Windows 
computer?

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

From: 'john riehl' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Having said what I did just a minute ago, it is of course very risky to have 
all your music in iTunes Media and not to have any backups just as it is risky 
not to have backups of all your other data whether documents, pictures or music.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
llump...@austin.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 7:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
•Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
•Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
•Read the Apple Music User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
TV<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
•Read the Apple TV User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. Apple 
released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes Music 
Store support.
Apple has a support document with more information on the new 
apps<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210384#619=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.

Apple has also released a redesigned iCloud for 
Windows<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/apps/9PKTQ5699M62=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 app. The new app makes it cleaner to see what apps are using iCloud, gauge how 
much iCloud+ storage is being used, and more.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:v

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am talking about iTunes the program, it will not affect any music you have 
saved.
I also wish people would actually read an article if a link is provided because 
it clearly states in one of the articles that the new Apple Music app continues 
to use the same music library you have already.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 9:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

you can open
C:\users\username\music\itunes media\
copy the music folder and paste it on another drive.
- Original Message -
From: llump...@austin.rr.com<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.
- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
•Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
•Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
•Read the Apple Music User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
•Apple 
TV<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
•Read the Apple TV User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. Apple 
released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes Music 
Store support.
Apple has a support document with more information on the new 
apps<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210384#619=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.

Apple has also released a redesigned iCloud for 
Windows<https://go.redirecti

Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Jonathan Cohn]

The services of iTunes are not going away, just the one single application to 
handle video, music, movie purchases, iPhone backup/restore. 
All your music  from iTunes should be available in the Apple Music app Though I 
have never used Apple products on a Windows system this is what Apple did for 
Macintosh a few years ago.


> On Feb 11, 2024, at 10:25 AM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
> 
> My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
> itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone
>  
> So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
> saw no specific mention of ring tones.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM
>> Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone
>>  
>> If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
>> answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
>> "For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
>> app."
>> and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the 
>> articles as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps 
>> are available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also 
>> had links for the user guides for all three apps:
>>  
>> Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for 
>> Windows with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 
>> or later, Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music 
>> and Apple TV as well as a new Devices management app to replace former 
>> functionality in iTunes for Windows:
>> 
>> ·Apple Devices 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
>>  This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
>> sync data, and install iOS updates.
>> ·Read the Apple Devices User Guide 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
>> ·Apple Music 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
>>  Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
>> music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
>> ·Read the Apple Music User Guide 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
>> ·Apple TV 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
>>  Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
>> playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
>> ·Read the Apple TV User Guide 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
>> For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
>> app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. 
>> Apple released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes 
>> Music Store support.
>> 
>> Apple has a support document with more information on the new apps 
>> <https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210384#619=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
>> 
>>  
>> A

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[llumpkin]

My entire music library, both hard-copy cds and apple music snags are in 
itunes. What am I to do if/when itunes goes away.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
Doc Wright
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

So are we to assume that ring tones will fall under the heading of "files" I 
saw no specific mention of ring tones.

- Original Message - 

From: Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2024 12:20 AM

Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:

"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."

and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

 

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Apple Devices: This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: 
perform backups, sync data, and install iOS updates.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Read the Apple Devices User Guide.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Apple Music: Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well 
as manage music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Read the Apple Music User Guide.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Apple TV: Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app 
supports 4K playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.

* 
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 Read the Apple TV User Guide.

For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. Apple 
released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes Music 
Store support.

Apple has a  
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210384#619=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 support document with more information on the new apps.

 

Apple has also released a  
<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/apps/9PKTQ5699M62=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 redesigned iCloud for Windows app. The new app makes it cleaner to see what 
apps are using iCloud, gauge how much iCloud+ storage is being used, and more.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com <mailto:sherrywells1...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

What about podcasts?  I keep seeing references to tv & music but not to 
podcasts.  Will the current version of ITunes support podcasts on a Windows 
computer?

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells

 

From: 'john 

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you had read the two articles I provided links for, you would know the 
answer regarding Podcasts and Audio Books:
"For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app."
and the person who said these apps for Windows 11 also didn't read the articles 
as he stated, but if he had he would have also read that these apps are 
available for both Windows 10 and 11. The article from the Verge also had links 
for the user guides for all three apps:

Apple has announced a major change for Windows users who use iTunes for Windows 
with an iPhone or to access Apple Music and Apple TV. For Windows 10 or later, 
Apple has released new “standalone experiences” for Apple Music and Apple TV as 
well as a new Devices management app to replace former functionality in iTunes 
for Windows:
·Apple 
Devices<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NP83LWLPZ9K=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 This is the app for iPhone users to manage their iPhones: perform backups, 
sync data, and install iOS updates.
·Read the Apple Devices User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
·Apple 
Music<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9PFHDD62MXS1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple Music service and your personal library, as well as manage 
music on Apple Devices. Airplay support is included.
·Read the Apple Music User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/music-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
·Apple 
TV<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9NM4T8B9JQZ1=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>:
 Access the Apple TV+ service and your personal library. The app supports 4K 
playback, subscription services, and MLS Season Pass.
·Read the Apple TV User 
Guide<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/guide/tvapp-windows/welcome/windows=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.
For audiobooks and podcasts, Windows users still use the iTunes for Windows 
app. That app is also used if any of the new apps don’t run on your PC. Apple 
released iTunes for Windows on October 16, 2003, with iPod and iTunes Music 
Store support.
Apple has a support document with more information on the new 
apps<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210384#619=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>.

Apple has also released a redesigned iCloud for 
Windows<https://go.redirectingat.com/?id=111346X1569486=https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/apps/9PKTQ5699M62=1-1-2230075-1-0-0=https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 app. The new app makes it cleaner to see what apps are using iCloud, gauge how 
much iCloud+ storage is being used, and more.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

What about podcasts?  I keep seeing references to tv & music but not to 
podcasts.  Will the current version of ITunes support podcasts on a Windows 
computer?

Thanks,
Sherry Wells

From: 'john riehl' via VIPhone 
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

They are for both windows-11 and 10.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

Those apps are for windows 11, correct? I saw that in the headline of an 
article that I didn’t bother to read. I don’t have 11 and can’t get it on my 
current windows machine, so I’m thinking I will still have iTunes. Fortunately 
I don’t have to use it very much.
Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 10, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Windows users can now download full versions of the

RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Richard Turner]

Good question.

I’ll write Apple Accessibility.

You may want to do likewise.

 

 

 

 

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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 4:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

What about podcasts?  I keep seeing references to tv & music but not to 
podcasts.  Will the current version of ITunes support podcasts on a Windows 
computer?

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells

 

From: 'john riehl' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

They are for both windows-11 and 10. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
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Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

Those apps are for windows 11, correct? I saw that in the headline of an 
article that I didn’t bother to read. I don’t have 11 and can’t get it on my 
current windows machine, so I’m thinking I will still have iTunes. Fortunately 
I don’t have to use it very much.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 10, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV 
applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable 
iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:

 
<https://www.cultofmac.com/845922/itunes-windows-apple-tv-apple-music-leave-beta/>
 iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta - 
Cult of Mac

 

iTunes for Windows nears End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone 
experiences - The Verge 
<https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 

 

 

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RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

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What about podcasts?  I keep seeing references to tv & music but not to 
podcasts.  Will the current version of ITunes support podcasts on a Windows 
computer?

 

Thanks,

Sherry Wells

 

From: 'john riehl' via VIPhone  
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

They are for both windows-11 and 10. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
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Those apps are for windows 11, correct? I saw that in the headline of an 
article that I didn’t bother to read. I don’t have 11 and can’t get it on my 
current windows machine, so I’m thinking I will still have iTunes. Fortunately 
I don’t have to use it very much.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Feb 10, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV 
applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable 
iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:

 
<https://www.cultofmac.com/845922/itunes-windows-apple-tv-apple-music-leave-beta/>
 iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta - 
Cult of Mac

 

iTunes for Windows nears End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone 
experiences - The Verge 
<https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 

 

 

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RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

['john riehl' via VIPhone]

They are for both windows-11 and 10. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2024 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

Those apps are for windows 11, correct? I saw that in the headline of an 
article that I didn’t bother to read. I don’t have 11 and can’t get it on my 
current windows machine, so I’m thinking I will still have iTunes. Fortunately 
I don’t have to use it very much.

Sent from my iPhone





On Feb 10, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV 
applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable 
iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:

 
<https://www.cultofmac.com/845922/itunes-windows-apple-tv-apple-music-leave-beta/>
 iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta - 
Cult of Mac

 

iTunes for Windows nears End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone 
experiences - The Verge 
<https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 

 

 

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Re: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Mary Otten]

Those apps are for windows 11, correct? I saw that in the headline of an article that I didn’t bother to read. I don’t have 11 and can’t get it on my current windows machine, so I’m thinking I will still have iTunes. Fortunately I don’t have to use it very much.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 10, 2024, at 10:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:








Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:
iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta
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RE: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Richard Turner]

Sieghard,

I tried looking in the Microsoft store yesterday after reading the article I 
posted about the full versions being out.

I could not find the one for music.

There was one for Apple TV Plus, and I think the one for “Apple devices”, but 
no music.

Do you happen to have its exact name?  I’ll try again.

I figure that is the way things are going, finally, so I may as well check them 
out.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA

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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 

JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400

 

 

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Weitzel
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: More indications iTunes may soon be gone

 

Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV 
applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable 
iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:

 
<https://www.cultofmac.com/845922/itunes-windows-apple-tv-apple-music-leave-beta/>
 iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta - 
Cult of Mac

 

iTunes for Windows nears End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone 
experiences - The Verge 
<https://www.macworld.com/article/2230075/itunes-windows-end-of-life-music-tv-devices-apps.html>
 

 

 

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More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV 
applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable 
iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:

iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta - 
Cult of 
Mac<https://www.cultofmac.com/845922/itunes-windows-apple-tv-apple-music-leave-beta/>


iTunes for Windows nears End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone 
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More indications iTunes may soon be gone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Windows users can now download full versions of the Apple Music and Apple TV 
applications, as well as a new Apple Devices app. They make the venerable 
iTunes app almost obsolete. Read more:

iTunes on its last gasp as Apple TV and Apple Music for Windows leave beta - 
Cult of 
Mac<https://www.cultofmac.com/845922/itunes-windows-apple-tv-apple-music-leave-beta/>


iTunes for Windows nears End Of Life with launch of Apple Music, TV standalone 
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More with the Mac, announcement

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Voice Dream Reader , support for more audio files!

[leobado1982]

Hey folks, as you may have noticed, two consecutive releases for VDR came
out in the last couple of days. Well, in a nutshell, VDR now supports M4B
files! Isn't it great? I love this app.

 

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bTips sought: Reading/watching stuff with iPad in a more comfortable manner?

[Gerardo Corripio]

When my Victor Stream 2nd Generation started hitting the dust, I was fortunate 
to find on sell at Costco here in Mexico, an iPad 9th Generation, which I went 
ahead and grabbed, as a replacement for my Stream; and which I'm really 
loving!; you can definitely do (and adapt it to your needs), more than the 
Stream for one. However one of the pep-pieves of the iPad is it's a bit larger 
than the Stream, or other blindness players, thus I just haven't found a way to 
(especially while in bed), read/watch stuff comfortably with it; it could also 
be while on my Mom's recliner or sofa for reading something. I put it on my 
lap, but after a while, it starts feeling a bit uncomfortable; I then hold it 
between my hands for another little while...
This makes me wonder how to sighted people position their iPads, so that they 
can spend hours and hours using them?
In its time, the NLS Digital Player (before gettingmy first Stream), no 
problem! I just leave the player on my computer table and listen to it that 
way!, but the iPad, even though I could do the same, I'd like it to be a 
portable device! So any tips.tricks for those of you'll who have iPads, would 
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Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[Song Ji]

Thanks a lot!

On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 2:43 PM goshawk on horseback <
goshawk_on_horseb...@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

> I forwarded your message to a few android lists, so hopefully you will
> have got some better responses from those.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Song Ji 
> *To:* VIPhone 
> *Sent:* Friday, August 25, 2023 4:22 AM
> *Subject:* Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for
> helping people.
>
> Hi, sorry I thought this group was for both android and iPhones. Yeah
> exactly this reader is for android phones only :(
>
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:13:39 PM UTC+8 aa...@roadrunner.com
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Song,
>>
>> Isn't talk back for Android phones? This is a iPhone/apple list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/2023 4:18 AM, Song Ji wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>>
>> Hope you are doing great today!
>>
>>
>> We are a team called Prudence, and we’ve built this product, the Prudence
>> Screen Reader, as a "more responsive Talkback”. This new-generation-screen
>> reader is for making smartphones easily accessible for all visually
>> impaired people, with perfect screen reading function and multiple ways of
>> interface, such as gesture touch and voice commands.
>>
>>
>> The screen reader is totally free, welcome to download and try!
>> Google play store:
>>
>>
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prudence.reader=web_share
>>
>> We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for those
>> who are unaccessible to google play store:
>>
>> http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk
>>
>>
>>
>> We welcome to every friend to get in touch with us, for sharing
>> suggestions and ideas!
>>
>> Our official website: http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/
>>
>> YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIrXg0hvatVtudg92I6U0HQ
>>
>>
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Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[goshawk on horseback]

I forwarded your message to a few android lists, so hopefully you will have got 
some better responses from those. 

Simon 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Song Ji 
  To: VIPhone 
  Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 4:22 AM
  Subject: Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping 
people.


  Hi, sorry I thought this group was for both android and iPhones. Yeah exactly 
this reader is for android phones only :(


  On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:13:39 PM UTC+8 aa...@roadrunner.com wrote:

Hi Song,

Isn't talk back for Android phones? This is a iPhone/apple list.




On 8/24/2023 4:18 AM, Song Ji wrote:

  Hi guys,




  Hope you are doing great today!




  We are a team called Prudence, and we’ve built this product, the Prudence 
Screen Reader, as a "more responsive Talkback”. This new-generation-screen 
reader is for making smartphones easily accessible for all visually impaired 
people, with perfect screen reading function and multiple ways of interface, 
such as gesture touch and voice commands. 




  The screen reader is totally free, welcome to download and try!
  Google play store:

  
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prudence.reader=web_share

  We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for those 
who are unaccessible to google play store:

  http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk







  We welcome to every friend to get in touch with us, for sharing 
suggestions and ideas!

  Our official website: http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/

  YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIrXg0hvatVtudg92I6U0HQ 

  Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1817619845298829 

  WhatsApp group: https://chat.whatsapp.com/CRQ9rHQJZGoG2oC1BVNW2h 

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Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[Song Ji]

Yeah we are trying to let as most people as we can know the reader. Well 
this is totally free for using, where we would not gain benefits but just 
trying to help the people out there.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 1:11:40 AM UTC+8 Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

> People try to get in their advertising where they can.
>
>  
>
> *From:* vip...@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of *Ron 
> Canazzi
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2023 4:14 AM
> *To:* vip...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for 
> helping people.
>
>  
>
> Hi Song,
>
> Isn't talk back for Android phones? This is a iPhone/apple list.
>
> On 8/24/2023 4:18 AM, Song Ji wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
>  
>
> Hope you are doing great today!
>
>  
>
> We are a team called Prudence, and we’ve built this product, the Prudence 
> Screen Reader, as a "more responsive Talkback”. This new-generation-screen 
> reader is for making smartphones easily accessible for all visually 
> impaired people, with perfect screen reading function and multiple ways of 
> interface, such as gesture touch and voice commands. 
>
>  
>
> The screen reader is totally free, welcome to download and try!
> Google play store:
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prudence.reader=web_share
>
> We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for those 
> who are unaccessible to google play store:
>
> http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk
>
>  
>
>  
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Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[Song Ji]

Hi, sorry I thought this group was for both android and iPhones. Yeah 
exactly this reader is for android phones only :(

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:13:39 PM UTC+8 aa...@roadrunner.com wrote:

> Hi Song,
>
> Isn't talk back for Android phones? This is a iPhone/apple list.
>
>
>
> On 8/24/2023 4:18 AM, Song Ji wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
>
> Hope you are doing great today!
>
>
> We are a team called Prudence, and we’ve built this product, the Prudence 
> Screen Reader, as a "more responsive Talkback”. This new-generation-screen 
> reader is for making smartphones easily accessible for all visually 
> impaired people, with perfect screen reading function and multiple ways of 
> interface, such as gesture touch and voice commands. 
>
>
> The screen reader is totally free, welcome to download and try!
> Google play store:
>
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prudence.reader=web_share
>
> We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for those 
> who are unaccessible to google play store:
>
> http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk
>
>
>
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RE: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

People try to get in their advertising where they can.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
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people.

Hi Song,

Isn't talk back for Android phones? This is a iPhone/apple list.

On 8/24/2023 4:18 AM, Song Ji wrote:

Hi guys,



Hope you are doing great today!



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such as gesture touch and voice commands.



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We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for those who 
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http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk





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Re: A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Song,

Isn't talk back for Android phones? This is a iPhone/apple list.


On 8/24/2023 4:18 AM, Song Ji wrote:


Hi guys,


Hope you are doing great today!


We are a team called Prudence, and we’ve built this product, the 
Prudence Screen Reader, as a "more responsive Talkback”. This 
new-generation-screen reader is for making smartphones easily 
accessible for all visually impaired people, with perfect screen 
reading function and multiple ways of interface, such as gesture touch 
and voice commands.



The screen reader is totally free, welcome to download and try!
Google play store:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prudence.reader=web_share 
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prudence.reader=web_share>


We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for 
those who are unaccessible to google play store:


http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk



We welcome to every friend to get in touch with us, for sharing 
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A new Screen Reader, the "More Responsive Talkback", for helping people.

[Song Ji]

 

Hi guys,


Hope you are doing great today!


We are a team called Prudence, and we’ve built this product, the Prudence 
Screen Reader, as a "more responsive Talkback”. This new-generation-screen 
reader is for making smartphones easily accessible for all visually 
impaired people, with perfect screen reading function and multiple ways of 
interface, such as gesture touch and voice commands. 


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We also provide the link to directly download the apk package, for those 
who are unaccessible to google play store:

http://www.appshubforvisuallyimpaired.com/apks/psr_001.apk



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RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard,

Thanks for explaining your wise answer to all the folks that just don’t get it.

Mr. Ed

 

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Subject: RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

 

If it is because of the American President then why is the same inflation 
happening in Canada, the UK, Germany, France and… Oh wait, I should just stop 
listing countries as it's happening all over the world. And it has happened 
before even under Republican presidents and it will happen again. 

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

 

That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you explained 
Richard.

 

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no good 
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RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[James Bentley]

Since your point is made, can you please stop?

 

James B  

 

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I’m not accusing him. it’s a fact, so see how it breeds disagreements? my point 
is made.





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Re: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[alia robinson]

I’m not accusing him. it’s a fact, so see how it breeds disagreements? my point 
is made.

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 7:30 AM, James Bentley  wrote:
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> You say you want to keep political opinions off of this list out of one side  
> of your mouth but, out of the other side of your mouth, you are accusing our 
> last President of being the worst President in American history.
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> You can’t have it both ways.

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RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[James Bentley]

You say you want to keep political opinions off of this list out of one side  
of your mouth but, out of the other side of your mouth, you are accusing our 
last President of being the worst President in American history.

 

You can’t have it both ways.

 

James B  

 

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everyone thinks america is the center of the universe, and blame everything on 
the fact a party they don’t like is in the white house. you want to talk no 
good presidents, I wouldn’t go there after the worst president in american 
history incited an inserection on the white house, so let’s keep politics off 
this list.





On Aug 11, 2023, at 2:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

If it is because of the American President then why is the same inflation 
happening in Canada, the UK, Germany, France and… Oh wait, I should just stop 
listing countries as it's happening all over the world. And it has happened 
before even under Republican presidents and it will happen again. 

 

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Subject: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

 

That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you explained 
Richard.

 

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no good 
president.

 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
Jenny Bomareto


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Re: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[alia robinson]

everyone thinks america is the center of the universe, and blame everything on 
the fact a party they don’t like is in the white house. you want to talk no 
good presidents, I wouldn’t go there after the worst president in american 
history incited an inserection on the white house, so let’s keep politics off 
this list.

> On Aug 11, 2023, at 2:38 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> If it is because of the American President then why is the same inflation 
> happening in Canada, the UK, Germany, France and… Oh wait, I should just stop 
> listing countries as it's happening all over the world. And it has happened 
> before even under Republican presidents and it will happen again. 
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Re: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

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Some people don't use logic and yes inflation is a world wide issue.

On 8/11/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If it is because of the American President then why is the same inflation 
happening in Canada, the UK, Germany, France and… Oh wait, I should just stop 
listing countries as it's happening all over the world. And it has happened 
before even under Republican presidents and it will happen again.

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That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you explained 
Richard.

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no good 
president.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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RE: FYI: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And it can be cheaper, I put a Creative hwireless headset in my cart a week or 
so ago and when I checked it again yesterday the price had dropped from $67 to 
$49.


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Subject: FYI: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

Hello Everyone,

After recently recommending the Emerson Sensi thermostat that I use for my home 
via Home Kit, not knowing if Emerson is still making the model and knowing how 
often products with hardware buttons can be discontinued, I decided to purchase 
a second (backup) unit, just in case.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the price of the model had increased 
by $25 since January of this year.

Just to confirm, I had a friend put the same model in her Amazon cart, on 2 
different devices and the price was the same, $25 more than I originally paid.

My point, if you like a product from Amazon and you think you may want to 
purchase a second unit, do so sooner, rather than later, because the second 
time around can be more expensive on Amazon.

Mark


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RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

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First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a 
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Re: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[Ron Canazzi]

I am sorry, I couldn't resist after seeing that original post: won't 
happen again!



On 8/10/2023 2:52 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


Again, this is completely inappropriate for this or any other list 
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yeah when Biden is overthrown in a coup we'll  all be better for it. 
The first thing they'll do is kill all the ungrateful blinkers!



h

On 8/10/2023 1:43 PM, Jenny Bomareto wrote:

That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you
explained Richard.

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no
good president.

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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[Richard Turner]

Again, this is completely inappropriate for this or any other list unless it is 
specifically about politics.

 

 

 

 

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yeah when Biden is overthrown in a coup we'll  all be better for it. The first 
thing they'll do is kill all the ungrateful blinkers!


h 

On 8/10/2023 1:43 PM, Jenny Bomareto wrote:

That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you explained 
Richard.

 

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no good 
president.

 

Thanks for reading regarding this matter.
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Re: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[Ron Canazzi]

yeah when Biden is overthrown in a coup we'll  all be better for it. The 
first thing they'll do is kill all the ungrateful blinkers!



h

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RE: The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[Richard Turner]

OK, please keep your politics out of it.

I completely disagree about the President.

In fact, it is the absolutely greedy rich people who manipulate our economy.

 

 

 

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Bomareto
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That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you explained 
Richard.

 

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no good 
president.

 

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The second time around on Amazon can be more expensive.

[Jenny Bomareto]

That’s how grams used to buy when she was buying just like you explained 
Richard.

Now, of course, as we know about inflation. It’s because of our no good 
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RE: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

[James Bentley]

Two years ago, the model st55 was on sale for $50.00.  Its $110.00 now and 
Amazon probably beats every one else by at least 20 bucks.

If you buy, be sure to get the model st55 because it has buttons that a blind 
person can use in case the internet is down.  The more expensive model is a 
flat touch screen that no blind person can ever use.

Here's an Amazon  link for the model st55 with buttons.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01NB1OB0I/?_encoding=UTF8_rd_plhdr=t=16b53869f5473df1c2e96eaa091b5ae3_cr_id=1865675060401=1691688253=1-1-9e67e56a-6f64-441f-a281-df67fc737124_=sbx_be_s_sparkle_mcd_asin_0_bkgd_rd_w=W7j9b=amzn1.sym.cd95889f-432f-43a7-8ec8-833616493f4a%3Aamzn1.sym.cd95889f-432f-43a7-8ec8-833616493f4a_rd_p=cd95889f-432f-43a7-8ec8-833616493f4a_rd_r=3MKXEH4B5BSR0AR39WZG_rd_wg=UYNIc_rd_r=fa99f242-d855-4302-905d-b5c4cfe9d361=1
 

James B  

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FYI: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

Hello Everyone,

After recently recommending the Emerson Sensi thermostat that I use for my
home via Home Kit, not knowing if Emerson is still making the model and
knowing how often products with hardware buttons can be discontinued, I
decided to purchase a second (backup) unit, just in case.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the price of the model had
increased by $25 since January of this year.

Just to confirm, I had a friend put the same model in her Amazon cart, on 2
different devices and the price was the same, $25 more than I originally
paid.

My point, if you like a product from Amazon and you think you may want to
purchase a second unit, do so sooner, rather than later, because the second
time around can be more expensive on Amazon.

Mark


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RE: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

[Richard Turner]

Haven't you heard?, there is this thing called inflation.  Salaries and the 
cost of parts have increased this year.
Food, restaurants, streaming services, movies, etc., all go up in price.  
However, I do agree with you, as my wife will tell you, when she finds a pair 
of shoes or pants, whatever, she really likes, I always say "buy two."

But after 8 months, don't ever be surprised by price increases.





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Subject: FYI: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

Hello Everyone,

After recently recommending the Emerson Sensi thermostat that I use for my home 
via Home Kit, not knowing if Emerson is still making the model and knowing how 
often products with hardware buttons can be discontinued, I decided to purchase 
a second (backup) unit, just in case.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the price of the model had increased 
by $25 since January of this year.

Just to confirm, I had a friend put the same model in her Amazon cart, on 2 
different devices and the price was the same, $25 more than I originally paid.

My point, if you like a product from Amazon and you think you may want to 
purchase a second unit, do so sooner, rather than later, because the second 
time around can be more expensive on Amazon.

Mark


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FYI: The Second Time Around can be More Expensive on Amazon

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

After recently recommending the Emerson Sensi thermostat that I use for my
home via Home Kit, not knowing if Emerson is still making the model and
knowing how often products with hardware buttons can be discontinued, I
decided to purchase a second (backup) unit, just in case.

Imagine my surprise when I discovered that the price of the model had
increased by $25 since January of this year.

Just to confirm, I had a friend put the same model in her Amazon cart, on 2
different devices and the price was the same, $25 more than I originally
paid.

My point, if you like a product from Amazon and you think you may want to
purchase a second unit, do so sooner, rather than later, because the second
time around can be more expensive on Amazon.

Mark


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FW: [tech-vi Announce List] Apple previews Live Speech, Personal Voice, and more new accessibility features

[Dennis Long]

 

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2023 7:56 AM
To: List 
Subject: [tech-vi Announce List] Apple previews Live Speech, Personal Voice, 
and more new accessibility features

 

Apple Newsroom - Tuesday, May 16, 2023 at 8:07 AM


Apple previews Live Speech, Personal Voice, and more new accessibility features


New software features for cognitive, speech, and vision accessibility are 
coming later this year 

Apple’s new accessibility features, including Assistive Access, Live Speech, 
and more, will arrive later this year. 

CUPERTINO, CALIFORNIA Apple today previewed software features for cognitive, 
vision, hearing, and mobility accessibility, along with innovative tools for 
individuals who are nonspeaking or at risk of losing their ability to speak. 
These updates draw on advances in hardware and software, include on-device 
machine learning to ensure user privacy, and expand on Apple’s long-standing 
commitment to making products for everyone.  

Apple works in deep collaboration with community groups representing a broad 
spectrum of users with disabilities to develop accessibility features that make 
a real impact on people’s lives. Coming later this year, users with cognitive 
disabilities can use iPhone and iPad with greater ease and independence with 
Assistive Access; nonspeaking individuals can type to speak during calls and 
conversations with Live Speech; and those at risk of losing their ability to 
speak can use Personal Voice to create a synthesized voice that sounds like 
them for connecting with family and friends. For users who are blind or have 
low vision, Detection Mode in Magnifier offers Point and Speak, which 
identifies text users point toward and reads it out loud to help them interact 
with physical objects such as household appliances. 

“At Apple, we’ve always believed that the best technology is technology built 
for everyone,” said Tim Cook, Apple’s CEO. “Today, we’re excited to share 
incredible new features that build on our long history of making technology 
accessible, so that everyone has the opportunity to create, communicate, and do 
what they love.” 

“Accessibility is part of everything we do at Apple,” said Sarah Herrlinger, 
Apple’s senior director of Global Accessibility Policy and Initiatives. “These 
groundbreaking features were designed with feedback from members of disability 
communities every step of the way, to support a diverse set of users and help 
people connect in new ways.” 


Assistive Access Supports Users with Cognitive Disabilities 


Assistive Access uses innovations in design to distill apps and experiences to 
their essential features in order to lighten cognitive load. The feature 
reflects feedback from people with cognitive disabilities and their trusted 
supporters — focusing on the activities they enjoy — and that are foundational 
to iPhone and iPad: connecting with loved ones, capturing and enjoying photos, 
and listening to music. 

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 The distilled Photos app on iPhone 14 Pro Max. 
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 The distilled Messages app with emoji keyboard on iPhone 14 Pro Max. 

Assistive Access distills experiences across the Camera, Photos, Music, Calls, 
and Messages apps on iPhone to their essential features in order to lighten 
their cognitive load for users.

Assistive Access distills experiences across the Camera, Photos, Music, Calls, 
and Messages apps on iPhone to their essential features in order to lighten 
their cognitive load for users.

Assistive Access distills experiences across the Camera, Photos, Music, Calls, 
and Messages apps on iPhone to their essential features in order to lighten 
their cognitive load for users.

Assistive Access distills experiences across the Camera, Photos, Music, Calls, 
and Messages apps on iPhone to their essential features in order to lighten 
their cognitive load for users.

Assistive Access distills experiences across th

RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[davycuppens]

Sieghard 

 

GREAT tip, I tested i tand it worked!

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: woensdag 3 mei 2023 20:25
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

Davy,

 

I have encountered apps like that and sometimes doing a one-finger tap and hold 
then swipe up works.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

I have even encountered a problem with an app called livestream2, this is an 
app for dab+ and wifi internet radios. With undok or this app, you can search 
fort he device, pair i tand manage it from your phone or ipad.

When I search for DAB+ stations, voiceover tells me only 15 stations were found 
however more dan 190 are on the display.

Then I have to put off voiceover, do a three finger sweep above, reload 
Voiceover and I can search through all the found items.

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > Namens Sieghard 
Weitzel
Verzonden: zaterdag 29 april 2023 23:28
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Onderwerp: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

No, but if you touch the vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen you can 
simply flick up or down with one finger.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or

specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more

listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get

something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage

number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one

finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I

flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it

moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this

extensive list than what I'm getting.

This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more

extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I

am just scrolling or browsing.

How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?

Tom

 


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RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Davy,

I have encountered apps like that and sometimes doing a one-finger tap and hold 
then swipe up works.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2023 9:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

I have even encountered a problem with an app called livestream2, this is an 
app for dab+ and wifi internet radios. With undok or this app, you can search 
fort he device, pair i tand manage it from your phone or ipad.
When I search for DAB+ stations, voiceover tells me only 15 stations were found 
however more dan 190 are on the display.
Then I have to put off voiceover, do a three finger sweep above, reload 
Voiceover and I can search through all the found items.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: zaterdag 29 april 2023 23:28
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

No, but if you touch the vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen you can 
simply flick up or down with one finger.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 2:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing.



Richard, USA.
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer 
mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:
Hi,
I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or
specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more
listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get
something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage
number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one
finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I
flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it
moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this
extensive list than what I'm getting.
This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more
extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I
am just scrolling or browsing.
How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?
Tom


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RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[davycuppens]

I have even encountered a problem with an app called livestream2, this is an 
app for dab+ and wifi internet radios. With undok or this app, you can search 
fort he device, pair i tand manage it from your phone or ipad.

When I search for DAB+ stations, voiceover tells me only 15 stations were found 
however more dan 190 are on the display.

Then I have to put off voiceover, do a three finger sweep above, reload 
Voiceover and I can search through all the found items.

Davy 

 

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Verzonden: zaterdag 29 april 2023 23:28
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No, but if you touch the vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen you can 
simply flick up or down with one finger.

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

 

When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing. 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

 

On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com> > 
wrote:

Hi,

I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or

specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more

listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get

something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage

number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one

finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I

flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it

moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this

extensive list than what I'm getting.

This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more

extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I

am just scrolling or browsing.

How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?

Tom

 


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RE: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

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No, but if you touch the vertical scrollbar on the right of the screen you can 
simply flick up or down with one finger.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing.



Richard, USA.
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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com



On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer 
mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer mailto:tom.cram...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,
I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or
specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more
listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get
something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage
number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one
finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I
flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it
moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this
extensive list than what I'm getting.
This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more
extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I
am just scrolling or browsing.
How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?
Tom


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When I have encountered those lists, I found I have to touch ay item in the 
list on the left side of the screen to make sure VO is focused in the list; 
then do the three finger swipe up. If you touch where it says vertical scroll 
bar, the three finger swipe does nothing. 




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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Apr 29, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Tom Cramer  wrote:
> 
> Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
> have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
> fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
> work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
> might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
> Thank you for your help.
> 
>> On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer  wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or
>> specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more
>> listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get
>> something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage
>> number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one
>> finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I
>> flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it
>> moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this
>> extensive list than what I'm getting.
>> This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more
>> extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I
>> am just scrolling or browsing.
>> How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?
>> Tom
>> 
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Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[Tom Cramer]

Regarding my previous message, I should have also said that what I
have tried to do is to flick up or down or left or right with three
fingers, so as to try to move to a different page. It doesn't seem to
work with trying to expand these lisits. I am beginning to think there
might not be any other way though to get past those scrolling bars.
Thank you for your help.

On 4/29/23, Tom Cramer  wrote:
> Hi,
> I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or
> specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more
> listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get
> something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage
> number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one
> finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I
> flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it
> moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this
> extensive list than what I'm getting.
> This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more
> extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I
> am just scrolling or browsing.
> How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?
> Tom
>

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Re: Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[Flor Lynch]

Three-finger swipe up to scroll down more. Or three-finger swipe left or 
right.



On 4/29/2023 7:40 PM, Tom Cramer wrote:

Hi,
I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or
specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more
listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get
something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage
number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one
finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I
flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it
moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this
extensive list than what I'm getting.
This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more
extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I
am just scrolling or browsing.
How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?
Tom



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Is there a VoiceOver Gesture or way to get more?

[Tom Cramer]

Hi,
I am using a TV app that has an extensive catalog of TV shows or
specific channels. I brows through it, and I know there is more
listed, but it finishes or stops scrolling. From there, I get
something that says "Vertical scroll bar", and I get a percentage
number, which is generally at 90 or 100. I flick up or down with one
finger, and it just changes the number but doesn't do much else. If I
flick with one finger to the right, past the vertical scroll bar, it
moves on to something else. Like I said, I know there is more to this
extensive list than what I'm getting.
This same thing happens with other lists or things that are more
extensive than what I'm getting. I've seen it on other apps too when I
am just scrolling or browsing.
How can I expand or get more? Is there a voice over command for this?
Tom

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solved - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Hi Jessica 

The problem has been solved for everyone in the world, whether betatester or 
not.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jessica Dail
Verzonden: zaterdag 4 maart 2023 23:33
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hi everyone,
I updated my ipad to iPadOS16.4 & that's the device which was experiencing the 
issue with Voiceover & the appStore subscriptions page. 
Now that both devices are running 16.4, I'm able to access it perfectly on 
both. 
So, if you're still having the issue, make sure all devices are running the 
beta of 16.4. 

Thanks,
Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2023, at 13:22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Have you double checked that screen recognition is off? I don't know what 
> else to suggest because for me it's 100% good  now. 
> Also what phone do you have? As I said before, people who have th issue where 
> they can't swipe should maybe include this information because then it is 
> possible to see if it only effects certain devices.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly Gardner
> Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2023 5:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I've done all the thingds you suggest but I am still having the issue where I 
> am unable to swipe through my subscriptions. As someone else described when I 
> attempt to swipe right the focus just bounces back to the first subscription 
> name. The only way I can move from one to the next is to drag my finger down 
> the screen. I will be reporting to apple accessibility. I'm running the 
> latest iOS on an SE 2nd generation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I don't have this issue, I can stop on the first one and even go into 
>> it and back out and then continue and also swipe left again. I have 
>> currently 3 active and 1 inactive subscriptions. Anybody who still 
>> has issues should close all apps and reboot and also say which device 
>> they use so it is possible to see if this is only happening on certain 
>> devices.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of CrazyEyez
>> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:50 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to 
>> the right to see the next one.
>> Really easy fix though.
>> Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.
>> Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than 
>> nothing at all.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you 
>> swipe right vo reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since 
>> vo will continu to read the subscription again and again and again so 
>> if you have 3 subscriptions vo will only read the first one in the 
>> list and nothing changes when you choose the picker and choose things 
>> like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of CrazyEyez
>> Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The bug appears to have been squished.
>> From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and 
>> not the IOS itself.
>> 
>> Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
>> subscriptions and they display correctly.
>> I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.
>> 
>> Also good luck with your call tonight. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
>> mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's 
>> support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an 
>> issue before so wish me luck.
>> 
&g

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Jessica Dail]

Hi everyone, 
I updated my ipad to iPadOS16.4 & that's the device which was experiencing the 
issue with Voiceover & the appStore subscriptions page. 
Now that both devices are running 16.4, I'm able to access it perfectly on 
both. 
So, if you're still having the issue, make sure all devices are running the 
beta of 16.4. 

Thanks, 
Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 4, 2023, at 13:22, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Have you double checked that screen recognition is off? I don't know what 
> else to suggest because for me it's 100% good  now. 
> Also what phone do you have? As I said before, people who have th issue where 
> they can't swipe should maybe include this information because then it is 
> possible to see if it only effects certain devices.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kimberly Gardner
> Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2023 5:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama 
> for VIPS
> 
> I've done all the thingds you suggest but I am still having the issue where I 
> am unable to swipe through my subscriptions. As someone else described when I 
> attempt to swipe right the focus just bounces back to the first subscription 
> name. The only way I can move from one to the next is to drag my finger down 
> the screen. I will be reporting to apple accessibility. I'm running the 
> latest iOS on an SE 2nd generation.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/3/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> I don't have this issue, I can stop on the first one and even go into 
>> it and back out and then continue and also swipe left again. I have 
>> currently 3 active and 1 inactive subscriptions. Anybody who still has 
>> issues should close all apps and reboot and also say which device they 
>> use so it is possible to see if this is only happening on certain devices.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> CrazyEyez
>> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:50 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to 
>> the right to see the next one.
>> Really easy fix though.
>> Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.
>> Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than 
>> nothing at all.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe 
>> right vo reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo 
>> will continu to read the subscription again and again and again so if 
>> you have 3 subscriptions vo will only read the first one in the list 
>> and nothing changes when you choose the picker and choose things like 
>> date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> CrazyEyez
>> Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The bug appears to have been squished.
>> From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and 
>> not the IOS itself.
>> 
>> Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
>> subscriptions and they display correctly.
>> I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.
>> 
>> Also good luck with your call tonight. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
>> mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's 
>> support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue 
>> before so wish me luck.
>> 
>> Ellie
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail 
>> mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max 
>> which is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 
>> 3rd generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my 
>> ipad, but am seriously considering chan

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have you double checked that screen recognition is off? I don't know what else 
to suggest because for me it's 100% good  now. 
Also what phone do you have? As I said before, people who have th issue where 
they can't swipe should maybe include this information because then it is 
possible to see if it only effects certain devices.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kimberly 
Gardner
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2023 5:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I've done all the thingds you suggest but I am still having the issue where I 
am unable to swipe through my subscriptions. As someone else described when I 
attempt to swipe right the focus just bounces back to the first subscription 
name. The only way I can move from one to the next is to drag my finger down 
the screen. I will be reporting to apple accessibility. I'm running the latest 
iOS on an SE 2nd generation.




On 3/3/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I don't have this issue, I can stop on the first one and even go into 
> it and back out and then continue and also swipe left again. I have 
> currently 3 active and 1 inactive subscriptions. Anybody who still has 
> issues should close all apps and reboot and also say which device they 
> use so it is possible to see if this is only happening on certain devices.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CrazyEyez
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
>
> This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to 
> the right to see the next one.
> Really easy fix though.
> Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.
> Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than 
> nothing at all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe 
> right vo reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo 
> will continu to read the subscription again and again and again so if 
> you have 3 subscriptions vo will only read the first one in the list 
> and nothing changes when you choose the picker and choose things like 
> date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> CrazyEyez
> Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
>
> Hello,
>
> The bug appears to have been squished.
> From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and 
> not the IOS itself.
>
> Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
> subscriptions and they display correctly.
> I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.
>
> Also good luck with your call tonight. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
> mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>
> I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's 
> support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue 
> before so wish me luck.
>
> Ellie
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail 
> mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max 
> which is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 
> 3rd generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my 
> ipad, but am seriously considering changing that.
> Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
> Thanks,
> Jessica Dail
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
>
> It is fixed for me,  also.
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
> This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
> My subscriptions read again perfectly with when

RE: problem solved - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Well, here all is perfect for me, nothing is spoken twice or not at all, I can 
swipe right and left and it's as I said 100% good.
If you haven't done so maybe close all apps from the app switcher and reboot to 
see if that helps, also make sure you don't have screen recognition on for 
Settings.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, March 4, 2023 8:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: problem solved - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the 
hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

Hi sieghard

I am not gona complain again this time but for me all things are spoken twice 
now but twice is better than nothing (grin) 
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Sieghard 
Weitzel
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 maart 2023 20:21
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

No issues here whatsoever on my iPhone 13 Pro. I can swipe right and left, I 
can go into a subscription and I actually just cancelled an annual subscription 
which only renewed recently but which we probably won't renew next year. All 
was perfect.
Anybody who still has issues should maybe close all apps from the app switcher 
and do a reboot to see if that helps.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca<mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo 
reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read 
the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo 
will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose 
the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hello,

The bug appears to have been squished.
>From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the 
>IOS itself.

Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
subscriptions and they display correctly.
I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.

Also good luck with your call tonight. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to 
talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.

Ellie

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail 
mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi,
This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.
Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
Thanks,
Jessica Dail


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is fixed for me,  also.
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegrou

problem solved - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Hi sieghard 

 

I am not gona complain again this time but for me all things are spoken twice 
now but twice is better than nothing (grin) 

Davy 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 maart 2023 20:21
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

No issues here whatsoever on my iPhone 13 Pro. I can swipe right and left, I 
can go into a subscription and I actually just cancelled an annual subscription 
which only renewed recently but which we probably won't renew next year. All 
was perfect.

Anybody who still has issues should maybe close all apps from the app switcher 
and do a reboot to see if that helps.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca <mailto:mi...@eastlink.ca> 
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo 
reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read 
the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo 
will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose 
the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

Hello, 

 

The bug appears to have been squished.

>From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the 
>IOS itself.

 

Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
subscriptions and they display correctly.

I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.

 

Also good luck with your call tonight. 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper mailto:hopper...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi,

 

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to 
talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.

 

Ellie

 

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail mailto:jldai...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Hi,

This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.

Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?

Thanks,

Jessica Dail

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

It is fixed for me,  also.

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).

My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.

This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.

When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.

 

 

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> 


  _  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <ma

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Kimberly Gardner]

I've done all the thingds you suggest but I am still having the issue
where I am unable to swipe through my subscriptions. As someone else
described when I attempt to swipe right the focus just bounces back to
the first subscription name. The only way I can move from one to the
next is to drag my finger down the screen. I will be reporting to
apple accessibility. I'm running the latest iOS on an SE 2nd
generation.




On 3/3/23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> I don't have this issue, I can stop on the first one and even go into it and
> back out and then continue and also swipe left again. I have currently 3
> active and 1 inactive subscriptions. Anybody who still has issues should
> close all apps and reboot and also say which device they use so it is
> possible to see if this is only happening on certain devices.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> CrazyEyez
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
> This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to the
> right to see the next one.
> Really easy fix though.
> Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.
> Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than nothing
> at all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right
> vo reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to
> read the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3
> subscriptions vo will only read the first one in the list and nothing
> changes when you choose the picker and choose things like date I am using a
> I phone 8. From Mich.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> CrazyEyez
> Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
> Hello,
>
> The bug appears to have been squished.
> From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the
> IOS itself.
>
> Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account,
> subscriptions and they display correctly.
> I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.
>
> Also good luck with your call tonight. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper
> mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>
> I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team
> to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me
> luck.
>
> Ellie
>
> On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail
> mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> Hi,
> This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which
> is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd
> generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but
> am seriously considering changing that.
> Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
> Thanks,
> Jessica Dail
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
> It is fixed for me,  also.
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel
> mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
> This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
> My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
> This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS
> 15, the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
> When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS
> 16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> William James
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don't have this issue, I can stop on the first one and even go into it and 
back out and then continue and also swipe left again. I have currently 3 active 
and 1 inactive subscriptions. Anybody who still has issues should close all 
apps and reboot and also say which device they use so it is possible to see if 
this is only happening on certain devices.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyez
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to the right 
to see the next one.
Really easy fix though.
Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.
Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than nothing at 
all.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:

Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo 
reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read 
the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo 
will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose 
the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyez
Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hello,

The bug appears to have been squished.
>From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the 
>IOS itself.

Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
subscriptions and they display correctly.
I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.

Also good luck with your call tonight. 

Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to 
talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.

Ellie

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail 
mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi,
This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.
Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
Thanks,
Jessica Dail


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is fixed for me,  also.
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes 

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No issues here whatsoever on my iPhone 13 Pro. I can swipe right and left, I 
can go into a subscription and I actually just cancelled an annual subscription 
which only renewed recently but which we probably won't renew next year. All 
was perfect.
Anybody who still has issues should maybe close all apps from the app switcher 
and do a reboot to see if that helps.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 11:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo 
reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read 
the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo 
will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose 
the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
CrazyEyez
Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Hello,

The bug appears to have been squished.
>From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the 
>IOS itself.

Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
subscriptions and they display correctly.
I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.

Also good luck with your call tonight. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper 
mailto:hopper...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to 
talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.

Ellie

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail 
mailto:jldai...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi,
This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.
Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
Thanks,
Jessica Dail


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is fixed for me,  also.
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something w

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[CrazyEyez]

This is true. If you stop on a subscription, you can't go further to the right to see the next one.Really easy fix though.Slide 1 finger from top to bottom and it should work for you that way.Not the most ideal way to do things, but i'd rather have this than nothing at all.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 2, 2023, at 2:30 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyezSent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS Hello,  The bug appears to have been squished.From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the IOS itself. Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, subscriptions and they display correctly.I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1. Also good luck with your call tonight.  Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper <hopper...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi, I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck. Ellie On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail <jldai...@outlook.com> wrote:Hi,This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously considering changing that.Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?Thanks,Jessica Dail  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Arnold SchmidtSent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS It is fixed for me,  also.Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.  From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of William JamesSent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.  Get Outlook for iOSFrom: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS  I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they are aware of the issue and they are investigating.I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see without screen recognition.-Original Message-From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of davycupp...@gmail.comSent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPSThats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not labeled at least for me.Davy -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: viph

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[michv]

Hi no it is not gone as far as the subscription bug now when you swipe right vo 
reads the subscriptions but you can’t swipe left since vo will continu to read 
the subscription again and again and again so if you have 3 subscriptions vo 
will only read the first one in the list and nothing changes when you choose 
the picker and choose things like date I am using a I phone 8. From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CrazyEyez
Sent: March 2, 2023 2:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

Hello, 

 

The bug appears to have been squished.

>From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the 
>IOS itself.

 

Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, 
subscriptions and they display correctly.

I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.

 

Also good luck with your call tonight. 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper mailto:hopper...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi,

 

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to 
talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.

 

Ellie

 

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail mailto:jldai...@outlook.com> > wrote:

Hi,

This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.

Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?

Thanks,

Jessica Dail

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

It is fixed for me,  also.

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).

My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.

This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.

When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

 

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.

 

 

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef> 


  _  


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS 

 

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com <mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to mana

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Brian Moore]

keep us posted. I am not having the problem but lots of people are.


contact me on

Linked in <https://www.linkedin.com/in/profile-bmoore123>>

or

Twitter <http://www.twitter.com/bmoore123>

--

On 2023-03-02 1:25 p.m., Ellie Hopper wrote:

Hi,

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's 
support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue 
before so wish me luck.


Ellie

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail  wrote:

Hi,

This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro
max which is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro
11-inch 3^rd generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on
the beta on my ipad, but am seriously considering changing that.

Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?

Thanks,

Jessica Dail

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *Arnold Schmidt
*Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more
and more a drama for VIPS

It is fixed for me,  also.

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3


On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
wrote:



This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM
Pacific Time).

My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.

This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was
happening on iOS 15, the public release version of iOS 16 as well
as the Beta.

When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I
upgraded to iOS 16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the
update.

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *William James
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more
and more a drama for VIPS

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly
related to iOS.

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  on
behalf of Sieghard Weitzel 
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more
and more a drama for VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which
states that they are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and
certain App Store changes have always been done on the backend and
they are not necessarily connected to iOS itself which would
explain why this is happening with iOS 15, iOS 16.3 as well as iOS
16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather
than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me
even if I wait 10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of
subscriptions after turning it on and gone back and it does not
give me anything except what I also see without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On
Behalf Of davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more
and more a drama for VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I
can click them all but I donot know which I have been selecting
while these buttons are not labeled at least for me.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens
Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more
and more a drama for VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just
now, I could turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps
to which I was subscribed, and I could then actually view that
list of applications. I could also double tap on one of the apps
to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen recognition, And
then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I
wanted to do so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
wrote:
>
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to
call Ap

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[CrazyEyez]

Hello, The bug appears to have been squished.From my understanding it had something to do with apple servers and not the IOS itself.Currently as of this writing, I can open app store, tap my account, subscriptions and they display correctly.I'm on an iPhone 14 plus running IOS 16.3.1.Also good luck with your call tonight. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 2, 2023, at 1:26 PM, Ellie Hopper  wrote:Hi,I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so wish me luck.EllieOn Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail <jldai...@outlook.com> wrote:







Hi,
This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously
 considering changing that.
Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
Thanks,
Jessica Dail
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS


 
It is fixed for me,  also.

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3



On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:


 
This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS


 



It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


 



 

Get Outlook for iOS







From:
viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS


 




I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, iOS 16.3 as well as
 iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not labeled at least for me.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double tap on one of the apps
 to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt <als5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple Accessibility, rather than email. He

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Ellie Hopper]

Hi,

I have a call booked for this evening with someone from Apple's support
team to talk about this. I haven't gone this rout for an issue before so
wish me luck.

Ellie

On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 7:43 AM Jessica Dail  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which
> is running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd
> generation, this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad,
> but am seriously considering changing that.
>
> Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jessica Dail
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Arnold Schmidt
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
>
>
> It is fixed for me,  also.
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
>
> My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
>
> This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on
> iOS 15, the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
>
> When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to
> iOS 16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *William James
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
>
>
> It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related
> to iOS.
>
>
>
>
>
> Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> --
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of
> Sieghard Weitzel 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
>
>
> I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that
> they are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
> I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain
> App Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not
> necessarily connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is
> happening with iOS 15, iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
> I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than
> later.
> As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I
> wait 10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after
> turning it on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I
> also see without screen recognition.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
> Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click
> them all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons
> are not labeled at least for me.
> Davy
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky
> Collins
> Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama
> for VIPS
>
> Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I
> could turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was
> subscribed, and I could then actually view that list of applications. I
> could also double tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then
> turn off screen recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that
> subscription if I wanted to do so.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> >
> > After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call
> Apple Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on hi

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
This screen is read correctly with voiceover on my iPhone 13 pro max which is 
running the ios16.4 developer beta but on my iPad pro 11-inch 3rd generation, 
this screen is still broken. I’m not on the beta on my ipad, but am seriously 
considering changing that.
Can anyone else on here who has an iPad confirm the same behavior?
Thanks,
Jessica Dail


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2023 4:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is fixed for me,  also.
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com<mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
> mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess 

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Arnold Schmidt]

It is fixed for me,  also.Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On Mar 2, 2023, at 12:49 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of William James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS


 



It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


 



 

Get Outlook for iOS







From:
viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS


 




I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, iOS 16.3 as well as
 iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not labeled at least for me.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double tap on one of the apps
 to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt <als5...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about it, he added mine to the
 list, along with his own results. I guess a problem gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad
 I didn't wait until the last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the beta testers? Are there beta testers?

> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons then and you donot know what
 subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> Namens

> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 20

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

This has been fixed at least for me as of just now (9:30 PM Pacific Time).
My subscriptions read again perfectly with when they expire/renew etc.
This is not iOS dependent since as Davy reported, this was happening on iOS 15, 
the public release version of iOS 16 as well as the Beta.
When I checked it tonight it already worked for me before I upgraded to iOS 
16.4 public beta 2 and it still is fine after the update.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com<mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
> mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers?
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, 
> davycupp...@gmail.com<mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select.
> Please people do repo

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[William James]

It is still present on iOS 16.4 Beta 2.  Definitely not directly related to iOS.


Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 12:52:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers?
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select.
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and
> more a drama for VIPS
>
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option 

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I received a reply from Apple Accessibility this morning which states that they 
are aware of the issue and they are investigating.
I assume this may have had something to do with the App Store and certain App 
Store changes have always been done on the backend and they are not necessarily 
connected to iOS itself which would explain why this is happening with iOS 15, 
iOS 16.3 as well as iOS 16.4 public beta.
I would think this is something which Apple will fix sooner rather than later.
As for using screen recognition this still does not work for me even if I wait 
10 seconds or 20 seconds, I have backed out of subscriptions after turning it 
on and gone back and it does not give me anything except what I also see 
without screen recognition.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2023 9:12 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

And Vicky moreover, I've tested it out with my ipad pro 2020 and an iphone XR.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
> have probably subscribed.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Jonathan Cohn
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what service?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Dear folks
>> 
>> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
>> 
>> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made 
>> this window totally unaccessible for voiceover us

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Thats not 100% right, the apps for which I had subscribed yes I can click them 
all but I donot know which I have been selecting while these buttons are not 
labeled at least for me.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Vicky Collins
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 6:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
> have probably subscribed.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Jonathan Cohn
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what service?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Dear folks
>> 
>> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
>> 
>> The only thing you hear

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Again, this terrible bug was not produced by a manual update of one of us all; 
no, this was a under-the-hood update of Apple.

Apple is changing its policies and it is obvious that after some years, you 
won't get any updates from apps or ios systems anymore. Updates and changes 
will be done automatically whether you want it or not.
Sop lease do not blame any of us or betatesters, blame and report to Apple! 
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Arnold Schmidt
Verzonden: dinsdag 28 februari 2023 5:15
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
beta testers? Are there beta testers? 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed no 
wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try screen 
recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons then and 
you donot know what subscription you select. 
Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being a 
bug, this is eventually a bug!
Davy
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this by 
the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover correctly 
reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, price 
or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of these 
options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jonathan Cohn
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
> 
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Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Vicky Collins]

Actually, the screen recognition didn’t work for me the first time I tried it 
either. However, since I have a credit union app that requires the same thing, 
in most cases, if I wait maybe 10 seconds or so after I invoke the screen 
recognition before trying to do anything with the app, it will work and read 
things for me. However, I absolutely do agree  that this should be fixed, 
especially for such an important function with Apple.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 28, 2023, at 1:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That is interesting because I also tried it with screen recognition turned 
> on and it made no difference in my case.
> Anyways, even if that ere a work-around, such an integral setting of the OS 
> should not require any user to jumop through even a single hoop, it would be 
> no different if Apple did something so every time you wanted to turn Wi-Fi on 
> or off or check for updates you would be required to turn on screen 
> recognition so you can complete the task.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 9:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama 
> for VIPS
> 
> Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
> turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was 
> subscribed, and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could 
> also double tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off 
> screen recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that 
> subscription if I wanted to do so.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
>> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was 
>> rewarded with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several 
>> reports about it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I 
>> guess a problem gets more attention when the acccessibility representative 
>> gets the same results as the complaintants. I was told that they are 
>> "looking into it", and that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad 
>> I didn't wait until the last minute to change a subscription. And how could 
>> this have gott, past the beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
>> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
>> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the 
>> buttons then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
>> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
>> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
>> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
>> Davy
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some 
>> point in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly 
>> subscription for an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's 
>> finding and this by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so 
>> apparently it makes no difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 
>> beta.
>> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
>> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. 
>> I get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
>> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
>> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
>> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any 
>> of these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> davycupp...@gmail.c

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I was just getting ready to suggest checking on your subscriptions from the 
settings area rather than the app store. However, it is broken as well. You 
can't read them from there either.

Greg Wocher


> On Feb 28, 2023, at 1:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> That is interesting because I also tried it with screen recognition turned on 
> and it made no difference in my case.
> Anyways, even if that ere a work-around, such an integral setting of the OS 
> should not require any user to jumop through even a single hoop, it would be 
> no different if Apple did something so every time you wanted to turn Wi-Fi on 
> or off or check for updates you would be required to turn on screen 
> recognition so you can complete the task.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
> Collins
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 9:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama 
> for VIPS
> 
> Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
> turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was 
> subscribed, and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could 
> also double tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off 
> screen recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that 
> subscription if I wanted to do so.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
>> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was 
>> rewarded with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several 
>> reports about it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I 
>> guess a problem gets more attention when the acccessibility representative 
>> gets the same results as the complaintants. I was told that they are 
>> "looking into it", and that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad 
>> I didn't wait until the last minute to change a subscription. And how could 
>> this have gott, past the beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
>> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
>> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the 
>> buttons then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
>> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
>> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
>> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
>> Davy
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
>> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>> more a drama for VIPS
>> 
>> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some 
>> point in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly 
>> subscription for an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's 
>> finding and this by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so 
>> apparently it makes no difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 
>> beta.
>> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
>> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. 
>> I get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
>> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
>> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
>> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any 
>> of these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> davycupp...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
>> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
>

RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is interesting because I also tried it with screen recognition turned on 
and it made no difference in my case.
Anyways, even if that ere a work-around, such an integral setting of the OS 
should not require any user to jumop through even a single hoop, it would be no 
different if Apple did something so every time you wanted to turn Wi-Fi on or 
off or check for updates you would be required to turn on screen recognition so 
you can complete the task.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Vicky 
Collins
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 9:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
> have probably subscribed.
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens 
> Jonathan Cohn
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to 
> manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and 
> more a drama for VIPS
> 
> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what ser

Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Vicky Collins]

Although it wouldn’t be ideal by any means, when I checked just now, I could 
turn on screen recognition while in the list of apps to which I was subscribed, 
and I could then actually view that list of applications. I could also double 
tap on one of the apps to which I was subscribed, then turn off screen 
recognition, And then I could see the option to cancel that subscription if I 
wanted to do so.
 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 11:14 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
> 
> After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
> Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
> with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
> it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
> gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
> results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
> that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
> last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
> beta testers? Are there beta testers? 
> 
> Arnold Schmidt 
> 
> 
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
> 
> On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed 
> no wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try 
> screen recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons 
> then and you donot know what subscription you select. 
> Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
> accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being 
> a bug, this is eventually a bug!
> Davy 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard 
> Weitzel
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama 
> for VIPS
> 
> That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
> in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
> an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this 
> by the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
> difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
> I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
> also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
> get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover 
> correctly reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
> Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, 
> price or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of 
> these options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> davycupp...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama 
> for VIPS
> 
> It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
> have probably subscribed.
> Davy 
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jonathan Cohn
> Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
> Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
> subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama 
> for VIPS
> 
> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what service?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Dear folks
>> 
>> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
>> 
>> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
>> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
>> 
>> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
>> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
>> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
>> DO REPORT NOW!!!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
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Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Arnold Schmidt]

After experienncing the same results as reported, I decided to call Apple 
Accessibility, rather than email. He tested it on his iphone and was rewarded 
with the same mess. He says that Apple already had had several reports about 
it, he added mine to the list, along with his own results. I guess a problem 
gets more attention when the acccessibility representative gets the same 
results as the complaintants. I was told that they are "looking into it", and 
that it will be fixed in "a future update." I am glad I didn't wait until the 
last minute to change a subscription. And how could this have gott, past the 
beta testers? Are there beta testers? 

Arnold Schmidt 


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Feb 27, 2023, at 5:32 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:

Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed no 
wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try screen 
recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons then and 
you donot know what subscription you select. 
Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being a 
bug, this is eventually a bug!
Davy 
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this by 
the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover correctly 
reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, price 
or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of these 
options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jonathan Cohn
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
> 
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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Please folks, Sieghards posting is really 100% the way things are displayed no 
wand please people stop saying this is not a bug or this or that or try screen 
recognition it makes really no sense even if you can click the buttons then and 
you donot know what subscription you select. 
Please people do report this tramendous new under the hood bug!
accessibil...@apple.com and stop convincing others of this problem not being a 
bug, this is eventually a bug!
Davy 
-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 23:18
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this by 
the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover correctly 
reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, price 
or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of these 
options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jonathan Cohn
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
> 
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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That must have changed in the last 4-6 weeks because I remember at some point 
in January I had a look at this because my wife has a yearly subscription for 
an app/service and it was showing up. I can confirm Davy's finding and this by 
the way is also now on iOS 16.4 public beta so apparently it makes no 
difference whether the iOS version is 15, 16 or 16.4 beta.
I agree with Davy in this case, people should definitely report this. I did 
also try this with screen recognition turned on and it makes no difference. I 
get 3 headings, Active, Inactive and Options. Under Options Voiceover correctly 
reads whether the "Share with Family" option is checked or not.
Under "Active" I find a pop up button which allows you to pick app name, price 
or renewal date to sort your subscriptions, but while I can pick any of these 
options, after I do I still don't see any apps/services listed.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2023 1:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jonathan Cohn
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
> 
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RE: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

It is about the appstore and all subscriptions randomly of apps for which you 
have probably subscribed.
Davy 

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Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Jonathan Cohn
Verzonden: maandag 27 februari 2023 22:37
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage 
subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for 
VIPS

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Dear folks
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this 
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; 
> please report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and 
> again, over and over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy
> 
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Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[joseph hudson]

Hi Jonathan, we're talking about any subscription from the Apple App Store. You 
cannot see your subscriptions as what people are reporting, in order to cancel 
them.

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 3:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
> talking about? Which application and what service?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
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>> Dear folks 
>> 
>> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
>> 
>> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this
>> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
>> 
>> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; please
>> report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and again, over and
>> over until they fix this crab!
>> DO REPORT NOW!!!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Davy 
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Re: PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[Jonathan Cohn]

I would consider reporting, but I have no idea what subscriptions you were 
talking about? Which application and what service?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2023, at 4:01 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Dear folks 
> 
> Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 
> 
> The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this
> window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.
> 
> Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; please
> report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and again, over and
> over until they fix this crab!
> DO REPORT NOW!!!
> 
> Regards
> Davy 
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PLEASE DO DO REPORT to Apple - nolonger possible to manage subscriptions under the hood updates of Apple become more and more a drama for VIPS

[davycuppens]

Dear folks 

Even with ios15 it is nolonger possible to manage ones subscriptions. 

The only thing you hear is active and inactive but Apple has made this
window totally unaccessible for voiceover users.

Folks, please, please please do not be lazy and again and again; please
report this awful bug to accessibil...@apple.com again and again, over and
over until they fix this crab!
DO REPORT NOW!!!

Regards
Davy 

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Re: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

[Esther Levegnale]

I also like VoiceDream Scanner as well.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Feb 1, 2023, at 10:30 PM, Ryan Mann  wrote:
> 
> I have a lot better luck with reading text with voice dream scanner, which 
> is a shame because that is a lot cheaper app.
> 
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
> rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
> 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2023, at 4:59 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello friends,
>> This morning I found that Supersense had updated itself.  Here’s what it 
>> said:
>> 
>> Hello friends, We'd been receiving many requests from our users and are 
>> responding to them with the feature updates that have been in highest 
>> demand. We're thrilled to announce the most recent updates to Supersense 
>> below: 1) Backend improvements to fix crashes and for a better user 
>> experience 2) Dynamic font size: Supersense is improved to be more 
>> accessible now. All text in the app are now font adjustable for our low 
>> vision users!  3) Minor bug fixes  More exciting news and features are on 
>> the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the 
>> best solutions. Please let us know what you think about Supersense by 
>> sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. Happy 2023! The Supersense 
>> Team
>> 
>> For as long as I can remember we’ve been promised new and exciting updates 
>> but they have yet to materialise as far as I can see!
>> 
>> I live in hope of some exciting developments but I’m not holding my breath!
>> 
>> 
>> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For what I need the Seeing AI short text or in some cases the document channel 
seem to do very well and it's free.
Can't even remember when I last spend money on an app!


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2023 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

I have a lot better luck with reading text with voice dream scanner, which is a 
shame because that is a lot cheaper app.

Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Jan 31, 2023, at 4:59 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello friends,
> This morning I found that Supersense had updated itself.  Here’s what it said:
> 
> Hello friends, We'd been receiving many requests from our users and 
> are responding to them with the feature updates that have been in 
> highest demand. We're thrilled to announce the most recent updates to 
> Supersense below: 1) Backend improvements to fix crashes and for a 
> better user experience 2) Dynamic font size: Supersense is improved to 
> be more accessible now. All text in the app are now font adjustable 
> for our low vision users!  3) Minor bug fixes  More exciting news and 
> features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
> provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you 
> think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to 
> superse...@mediate.tech. Happy 2023! The Supersense Team
> 
> For as long as I can remember we’ve been promised new and exciting updates 
> but they have yet to materialise as far as I can see!
> 
> I live in hope of some exciting developments but I’m not holding my breath!
> 
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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Re: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

[Ryan Mann]

I have a lot better luck with reading text with voice dream scanner, which is a 
shame because that is a lot cheaper app.

Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
rmann0...@gmail.com
386-383-5175


> On Jan 31, 2023, at 4:59 AM, Malcolm Parfitt  wrote:
> 
> Hello friends,
> This morning I found that Supersense had updated itself.  Here’s what it said:
> 
> Hello friends, We'd been receiving many requests from our users and are 
> responding to them with the feature updates that have been in highest demand. 
> We're thrilled to announce the most recent updates to Supersense below: 1) 
> Backend improvements to fix crashes and for a better user experience 2) 
> Dynamic font size: Supersense is improved to be more accessible now. All text 
> in the app are now font adjustable for our low vision users!  3) Minor bug 
> fixes  More exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we 
> appreciate any feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please 
> let us know what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to 
> superse...@mediate.tech. Happy 2023! The Supersense Team
> 
> For as long as I can remember we’ve been promised new and exciting updates 
> but they have yet to materialise as far as I can see!
> 
> I live in hope of some exciting developments but I’m not holding my breath!
> 
> 
> Malcolm Parfitt
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RE: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

[Dennis Long]

I agree when are these big updates coming?  

-Original Message-
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Parfitt
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2023 4:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: SuperSense update more promised but what and when?

Hello friends,
This morning I found that Supersense had updated itself.  Here’s what it said:

Hello friends, We'd been receiving many requests from our users and are 
responding to them with the feature updates that have been in highest demand. 
We're thrilled to announce the most recent updates to Supersense below: 1) 
Backend improvements to fix crashes and for a better user experience 2) Dynamic 
font size: Supersense is improved to be more accessible now. All text in the 
app are now font adjustable for our low vision users!  3) Minor bug fixes  More 
exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any 
feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what 
you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech. 
Happy 2023! The Supersense Team

For as long as I can remember we’ve been promised new and exciting updates but 
they have yet to materialise as far as I can see!

I live in hope of some exciting developments but I’m not holding my breath!


Malcolm Parfitt

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