[Vo]:Hands-Up-Cops-Shoot Video
Hands-Up Cops-Shoot Video You can see the video with your own eyes. Stop and back it up if you miss it. Spread this vital video to everyone you know. Police violence is escalating. The first few shots are bean-bags. HOWEVER: HE CLEARLY HAD HIS HANDS UP AND HIS BACK TURNED WHEN THE LAST TWO FATAL SHOTSWITH A REAL FIRE-ARM . http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=_HrF_SYx1js http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=_HrF_SYx1js#t=0
[Vo]:Prevent a Nuclear Reactor Holocaust!
Hi!I just started the petition Matsuura Akio, Naoto Kan, Eisaku Sato, Murata Mitsuhei, Arnie Gunderson: Support The Only IMMEDIATE Fuel Pond 4 Solution on Change.org.It's Quick, It's important. Will you sign it too? Here's the link:http://www.change.org/petitions/matsuura-akio-naoto-kan-eisaku-sato-murata-mitsuhei-arnie-gunderson-support-the-only-immediate-fuel-pond-4-solutionThanks!Wm. Scott
[Vo]:Amazing Water Cavitation Fusion Link!!!
Amazing Water Cavitation Fusion Link!!! https://nanospireinc.com/Fusion.html
[Vo]:Conspiracy, Simplicity Genius
Genius often involves seeing the significance of simple insights while everybody else is trying fewer, more-difficult approaches. Sometimes difficult problems have solutions that are too hard to see, simply because they are so simple, and later we marvel that they were not obvious from the beginning. Scott Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:53:37 -0400 From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Conspiracy story redox Conspiracy story redox Guenther has a point; there has got to be a conspiracy lurking in this mess somewhere, but the intricate convolutions in this mysterious saga …the dark and fog choked streets that must be trodden…leads me to another place than where Guenther has gone. Rossi has come too far in too short a time. He’s smart but no one can be that smart. Something does not compute. He must have had help, and in a big way; THEY must have help him. Rossi has now gone where no one has gone before and that takes much time an effort. He would have has to take more time than it has taken him…without doubt, far more time and effort for sure. The unknowns to be explored are huge and Murphy never sleeps. Let us see how this story has unwound…an uncommon story for us but not to THEM. This stuff happens all the time in THEIR business. It all begins about a year ago…not long at all as these things go… when THEY first sent out their agents to see if the stories and the gossip that THEY were hearing held truth. Their agents dispatched to find the truth patiently watched the demos firsthand asking polite questions quietly so no one could over hear and were careful not to ignite the ire of the fiery genius. These reliable and obedient fellows reported back to their controllers as they were told; and said something might be there. It was hard to tell but something might definitely be there. On the weight of these observations, THEY then decided to test this thing that Rossi built to see if it had any of the right things in it, the important thing that THEY had been developing for years and that THEY had held so closely and been guarding in absolute secrecy. But first it’s best to try everything that you can in your bag of tricks before you tip your hand. To be absolutely sure, THEY would first unleash their flame virus on Rossi’s computers…give the hackers their head and see what they could do… and they found nothing; he held all his secrets in his head. How could he do that… how can any man do such a thing, this would be a harder nut to crack then THEY first thought. THEY had to go another way, a more direct route…more dangerous and out front…not usually good to do…but THEY had no choice, THEY were backed into a corner … to get to the information that underlies it all; the information that they had to have. THEY had THEIR inside man watching him along with all the rest of the LENR men; THEY studied his reports closely and THEY were growing increasingly troubled with what they read. THEY might have to wall Rossi off from the rest of the world. Had someone uncovered the secret? Had Rossi stumbled on this most guarded secret by the slightest flight of chance? To find the answer to this pressing question, THEY decided to set up a test. Is Rossi a fake, or by the merest chance, could one man come up with something that so many had struggled to perfect? Yes, Rossi’s technology was primitive but it was still to risky for it to let loose on the world. If LENR was now perceived to be possible, some big energy company would take LENR seriously and eventually find the true path to cold fusion. Eventually the lid would be blown off; the secret compromised, the cat would be out of the bag, and you can’t put spilt milk back into the bottle so you had to be cautious to cover all your bases and be forever careful. There was too much at stake to be careless. When the test report came back from their man, there was too much there, too much was working. THEY then thought that it might be best to take Rossi under their protective wing and into THEIR community to control him, to educate him to the ways of secrecy, and Rossi was disposed to keep his technology under wraps. And they could put him under a non-disclosure agreement to get him to shut up. And when Rossi saw THIER secret stuff, it was like a kid on Christmas morning ripping open his gifts, he could not resist, he had to have it, these guys were good and they could teach him much…he could definitely use these people…and THEY had tons of money…Rossi needed the money…and then to top it all off, THEY got the MAN at the very top in that big impressive office with nothing on that big desk…he got up from behind it to put his arm around Rossi’s shoulder, to tell him with great sincerity how important he was to his new country…an entire country needed him…he was the key to a new future, and POTUS asked him to help him…things weren’t going well… Rossi could get this country back
[Vo]:Occam's Razor Favors Walking Rocking over levitation!!!
Occam's Razor Favors Walking Rocking over levitation!!! Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 14:50:40 + From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Flint MI Stonehenge Walking heads? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com So it’s not ambient gas trapped in the metal powder we call calcium of which the coral is made taking on inverse rydberg properties from agitation by acoustic or magnetic agitation? I was thinking the “fractional” gas might have a different frictional coefficient with space-time from our perspective allowing the rocks to fall slowly when agitated :_) maybe the manual labor was only needed to elevate and prop the stones then scoot them along quickly by agitating them and pulling out whatever you have propping them up… an old legend about striking the pyramid blocks and then moving them 2 bow lengths comes to mind. Fran :_) From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 11:05 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Flint MI Stonehenge Walking heads? I do believe the heads really walked there! Apparently the Islanders forgot how to make them walk, but nonetheless: A man in Flint Michigan has been casting concrete megaliths on one end of his (2-acre?) piece of land and Walking them all the way across his property to the construction site where he is replicating Stonehenge. I don't know the exact materials involved but we can imagine what he is doing to approximate the following: On can insert two trailer hitches--or even just two really strong rocks, side by side, into adjacent holes near the center of gravity. The entire stone can pivot almost effortlessly on either or both of the two tiny Legs So he leans the rock onto one pivot point, walks in a half-circle until the floating pivot point swings out-front. Then he shifts the weight onto that pivot point and swings the other pivot point out-front, and so-on. I should add that the Coral Castle guy was said to cause stones to levitate or hover just above the ground, and that is pretty much what the stones look like as the Flint MI moves these enormous concrete blocks, single-handedly, especially if the Coral Castle witnesses were not really show the pivot-maneuvers. Scott Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:44:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Walking heads? From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I do not think this was the method. I saw an anthropologist's 16 mm movie made in the 1930s, as I recall, in which the islanders moved one of statues left just outside the quarry. They used conventional stone-age techniques such as rolling logs and lots of manpower. This is the same technique used to build Stonehenge. I believe there are enough marks on the rocks to confirm that. - Jed
[Vo]:Flint MI Stonehenge Walking heads?
I do believe the heads really walked there! Apparently the Islanders forgot how to make them walk, but nonetheless: A man in Flint Michigan has been casting concrete megaliths on one end of his (2-acre?) piece of land and Walking them all the way across his property to the construction site where he is replicating Stonehenge. I don't know the exact materials involved but we can imagine what he is doing to approximate the following: On can insert two trailer hitches--or even just two really strong rocks, side by side, into adjacent holes near the center of gravity. The entire stone can pivot almost effortlessly on either or both of the two tiny Legs So he leans the rock onto one pivot point, walks in a half-circle until the floating pivot point swings out-front. Then he shifts the weight onto that pivot point and swings the other pivot point out-front, and so-on. I should add that the Coral Castle guy was said to cause stones to levitate or hover just above the ground, and that is pretty much what the stones look like as the Flint MI moves these enormous concrete blocks, single-handedly, especially if the Coral Castle witnesses were not really show the pivot-maneuvers. Scott Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 21:44:34 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Walking heads? From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I do not think this was the method. I saw an anthropologist's 16 mm movie made in the 1930s, as I recall, in which the islanders moved one of statues left just outside the quarry. They used conventional stone-age techniques such as rolling logs and lots of manpower. This is the same technique used to build Stonehenge. I believe there are enough marks on the rocks to confirm that. - Jed
[Vo]:Larmor Compensation The missing half of the Law of CoE...
As far as I know, I am inventing the term Larmor Compensation. Larmor Radiation occurs whenever a charged particle is accelerated.A so-call orbital electron accelerates and completely decelerates in two directions every single time it completes some sort of loop around an atomic nucleus; therefore, it must be continuously supplied with new energy, presumably at the expense of the ever-forming and ever-reforming electromagnetic flux of the Quantum Vacuum. I am actually pursuing a US patent on an entirely new class of devices that would exploit this very-real fact of nature. Please contact me if you would like to be involved with the project. Scott Wm. Scott Smith Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2012 23:49:44 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:The missing half of the Law of CoE... From: hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com The apparent lack of anti-matter in the universe is also conundrum from the standpoint of CoE. harry On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 4:54 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hence, when someone adamantly relies on CoE, saying that such and such is impossible since it would violate CoE, they are not a scientist in my mind. I don't know about the not a scientist part, but I personally have no profound attachment to CoE. :) Assume that CoE is understood today as: Eout - Ein = 0 What if, instead, it were really: Eout - Ein = k for very small k, or, more interestingly, Eout - Ein = f(t) for f(t) ~ 0 at this time. Scientists see fit to posit parallel universes and dark energy and so on, so I see no reason to conclude that the known universe is a closed system. Perhaps, every time there is a reaction that involves electromagnetic radiation, you get a little less out than goes in, and we just balance the books with neutrinos and other gimics that would make Enron proud. My earlier comments were a futile attempt to understand how a LENR reaction involving titanium could be endothermic. It's probably not all that difficult, as it turns out, and my lack of understanding of thermodynamics was getting in the way. Eric
[Vo]:Boyer Compensation? The missing half of the Law of CoE...
Thanks for the great paper--I thought I had read all of Hal's papers, but missed this one! I wasn't trying to take credit for the idea. I just didn't know what to call the phenomenon. I think Larmor Compensation is as good as any, though perhaps Hal would argue that it should be Boyer ZPE Compensation. The point I am making is this, the consequences of accelerating an electron in one direction are not undone by the consequences of then accelerating it in the opposite direction. Energy is emitted by the electron both times and is replaced by the quantum vacuum both times. My proposed device will exploit this fact to achieve a practical harvesting of ZPE. Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 21:28:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Larmor Compensation The missing half of the Law of CoE... From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com wrote: As far as I know, I am inventing the term Larmor Compensation. Larmor Radiation occurs whenever a charged particle is accelerated. A so-call orbital electron accelerates and completely decelerates in two directions every single time it completes some sort of loop around an atomic nucleus; therefore, it must be continuously supplied with new energy, presumably at the expense of the ever-forming and ever-reforming electromagnetic flux of the Quantum Vacuum. http://www.earthtech.org/publications/PRDv35_3266.pdf T
[Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR???
I don't know how to find this, not even in google Alan, what is SWAPAR Ban??? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:06:53 -0800 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: a...@well.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:NASA Roadmap At 06:01 PM 2/1/2012, David Roberson wrote: They are expecting great things from fusion I see. Wonder what happened to the positive outlook that they expressed earlier? I think that the positive outlook is only two labs who seem to believe it, versus this report representing NASA as a whole. I haven't read the whole thing (the blurry foo is too hard to tolerate for more than a couple of pages) but I got the impression that all projects were voted on to get the ranking. We know that the Langley work is done through some black discretionary funds. I just hope this doesn't end up with a SWAPAR-like ban on ANY work. (Any news from them, by the way?)
[Vo]:Alan, what is SPAWAR B A N ? ? ?
What is a SPAWAR BAN, and forbidding to work on something order. Is there any source where I could get more info? Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 12:36:57 -0800 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: a...@well.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Alan, what is SWAPAR??? At 12:32 PM 2/2/2012, Roarty, Francis X wrote: SPAWAR? Navy lab work – Pam Mossier Yup ... typo.
[Vo]:Visualize: 400 reactor X 10 cores/nr going Fuku simultaneously after a Solar Flare Grid Collapse lasting months or years
Visualize: 400 reactor X 10 cores/nr going Fuku simultaneously after a Solar Flare Grid Collapse lasting months or years. Talk about all of that melting down into the water table making radioactive geysers that will spew this stuff out again and again for hundreds if not thousands of years! From: alain.sep...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 19:10:43 +0100 Subject: Re: [Vo]:EMP all of the planets N Reactors To: vortex-l@eskimo.com to be clear, beeing explosed to a flash of 1Sv make your usual rate of 32% cancer rise to 37% it was measured mostly in hiroshima/nagasaki with a population of 1Sv exposed people. 1Sv make you sick , vomiting, immune defficient for some time... seldom killing. i don't know what is the impact of smoking... 2012/1/29 Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com 1Sv dose induce 32 to 37% rate of cancer typically
[Vo]:EMP Standard N Reactors
I am not opposed to nuclear power: I am opposed to building anything that does not have an acceptable failure mode--a failure mode that is acceptable despite any remotely conceivable human error or sabotage. If a Solar Flare Induced enough of a surge to burn telegraph wires in 1859, that does not bode well for have a power system at all for many months, probably years when history finally repeats itself. The US Nuclear Regulatory commission issued a report right after Fukushima; it said that all of our nuclear power plants are fine in a power failure, as long as outside power is restored to them within a day. This assumes that the diesel generators function. ---But will any instrumentation or control circuits be left? Have these plants and all critical components been hardened against emp? We all know that they must be prepared! but then . . . the Japanese thought they knew that their reactors could withstand all possible earthquakes and tsunamis. Visualize every nuclear reactor on Earth Going Fuku at the same time!!! Scott From: uniqueprodu...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:09:15 -0600 Agree. It is these unjustified upper limits on radiation and chemical toxins that put huge undue costs on society. Cancer risks are lower with hormetic levels of radiation, optimized at no less than 100 mSv/yr. 100 to 1000 mSv spread over the year's time stimulates the immune and DNA repair mechanisms, reduces neoplasms. Higher radon levels in house reduces (!) lung cancer incidences. http://www.radpro.com/641luckey.pdf http://radiationhormesis.vpinf.com/ has links Whether LENR turns out to be more economic than fission plants will be seen. The small modular buried fission plants coming up are more costly per KWh than traditional large fission plants, but can be located close to the load in each city. These may have an important interim future (misguided greens and reluctant regulators notwithstanding.) - Original Message - From: Alain Sepeda To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: FW: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective where did you get that numbers. probably bad usage of the false no threshold linear law, that green abuse despite it is proved false since long. the estimated death toll, taking into account - the fast response - the facts that even the worst evacuated zone don't cause more tha 30mSv/year and that small long term effect start from 200mSv fast dose for adult, and 100mSv fast dose for kids - the fact that only few workers get less than 1Sv (level where short terme effet appears, better cured today that in the 50s), about 600mSv - the fact that in tchernobyl the main health problem where family violence, alcoolism, suicide, caused by stress of moving, and fear or radiation, with a rate of 1000 suicide, plus violences... - the fact that the main radiation death were 10-20% of the few hundred suicide firemen that receive many Sv, yet survive (if you survive after 2 month, the only risk then are cancer, but about 15%more cancer per sievert) - then few of the thousands of kids with 131iode inudced thyroid cancer (amplified by late evacuation, and malnutrition ) is 0 in the population because of radiation (no effect, even hormesis to be expected) 0.1 in the workers because of the cancer induced (1Sv induce 5% death by cancer, 600mSv much less, few workers concerned) many thousands of suicide because of traumatic syndrome, linked to tsunami, death of all their family (28000 dead because of living near the sea. we should shutdown the sea), forced evacuation and moving,loss of their jobs and family history ans possesions... many more thousands dead because alcoholism and family violence. maybe the death toll, of fukushima but much even more of the tsunami, could be reduced by cleaning the zone, occupying the victims in that big heroic mission, and then letting them settle back when they feel safe. it seems to be what they are doing, cleaning , measuring dose, even thinking about robotized farming in the tsunami washed zone. when numbers will be published people will understand that the fear is over... anyway nuke will be dead, because lenr is cheaper. sorry to be rough, but here we can talk of scientific data rejected by the media, yet validated by peer review. 2012/1/28 Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.com From: Mark Goldes Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:55 AM To: Yamali Yamali Subject: RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective The eventual death toll from Fukushima is estimated to reach as high as one million. The Northern Lights are particularly beautiful lately for a little recognized reason. Here are some
[Vo]:What about fuel trucks and generators?
Do you have any solid assessment info on: What about trains, trucks, cars, fuel trucks and emergency generators and emp? What about loss of sensor and control systems for n power plants? From: mgol...@chavaenergy.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; uniqueprodu...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:32:05 -0500 Subject: RE: [Vo]:EMP all of the planets N Reactors Scott, You are on target. See 400 Chernobyls? at www.aesopinstitute.org The death toll from Chernobyl is now estimated at close to 1 million. This is from a relatively recent study that includes extensive papers in Eastern European languages little taken into account previously. The study has met the same reaction from the nuclear community that cold fusion has experienced from the physicists. Mark From: Wm. Scott Smith [scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:38 PM To: uniqueprodu...@comcast.net; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:EMP Standard N Reactors I am not opposed to nuclear power: I am opposed to building anything that does not have an acceptable failure mode--a failure mode that is acceptable despite any remotely conceivable human error or sabotage. If a Solar Flare Induced enough of a surge to burn telegraph wires in 1859, that does not bode well for have a power system at all for many months, probably years when history finally repeats itself. The US Nuclear Regulatory commission issued a report right after Fukushima; it said that all of our nuclear power plants are fine in a power failure, as long as outside power is restored to them within a day. This assumes that the diesel generators function. ---But will any instrumentation or control circuits be left? Have these plants and all critical components been hardened against emp? We all know that they must be prepared! but then . . . the Japanese thought they knew that their reactors could withstand all possible earthquakes and tsunamis. Visualize every nuclear reactor on Earth Going Fuku at the same time!!! Scott From: uniqueprodu...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: FW: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 15:09:15 -0600 Agree. It is these unjustified upper limits on radiation and chemical toxins that put huge undue costs on society. Cancer risks are lower with hormetic levels of radiation, optimized at no less than 100 mSv/yr. 100 to 1000 mSv spread over the year's time stimulates the immune and DNA repair mechanisms, reduces neoplasms. Higher radon levels in house reduces (!) lung cancer incidences. http://www.radpro.com/641luckey.pdf http://radiationhormesis.vpinf.com/ has links Whether LENR turns out to be more economic than fission plants will be seen. The small modular buried fission plants coming up are more costly per KWh than traditional large fission plants, but can be located close to the load in each city. These may have an important interim future (misguided greens and reluctant regulators notwithstanding.) - Original Message - From: Alain Sepedamailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.commailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: FW: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective where did you get that numbers. probably bad usage of the false no threshold linear law, that green abuse despite it is proved false since long. the estimated death toll, taking into account - the fast response - the facts that even the worst evacuated zone don't cause more tha 30mSv/year and that small long term effect start from 200mSv fast dose for adult, and 100mSv fast dose for kids - the fact that only few workers get less than 1Sv (level where short terme effet appears, better cured today that in the 50s), about 600mSv - the fact that in tchernobyl the main health problem where family violence, alcoolism, suicide, caused by stress of moving, and fear or radiation, with a rate of 1000 suicide, plus violences... - the fact that the main radiation death were 10-20% of the few hundred suicide firemen that receive many Sv, yet survive (if you survive after 2 month, the only risk then are cancer, but about 15%more cancer per sievert) - then few of the thousands of kids with 131iode inudced thyroid cancer (amplified by late evacuation, and malnutrition ) is 0 in the population because of radiation (no effect, even hormesis to be expected) 0.1 in the workers because of the cancer induced (1Sv induce 5% death by cancer, 600mSv much less, few workers concerned) many thousands of suicide because of traumatic syndrome, linked to tsunami, death of all their family (28000 dead because of living near the sea. we should shutdown the sea), forced evacuation and moving,loss of their jobs and family history ans possesions... many more thousands dead because
[Vo]:LENR G Silver Currency
I really don't think there is any direct connection between precious metals and modern currencies. Last I heard: Today's Currencies are based on the price of oil in $USD since a large part of the World's Oil Supply is only traded in terms of $USD aka the Petrodollar Has anything definitively changed? (On another topicI think this is how the leading US export is freshly printed dollars!!!LOL) From: zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:LENR is not a disruptive technology... Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:53:11 -0800 Eric, I suggest you read my entire posting… I was being facetious, and stated that ‘disruptive’ is not going far enough.-m From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:45 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR is not a disruptive technology... LENR would be quite disruptive if it even replaced 10 percent of the world energy supply over the next twenty years. If it turns out to be bona fide and something that can be commercialized (hopefully we'll get a sense of this soon), and barring some unforeseen impediment to its widespread adoption, it's not difficult to imagine that it could replace well beyond 10 percent of the energy supply over time. As a thought experiment, assume that LENR effectively makes energy free during the next 100 years. Find some activity of concern to the majority of people on the planet that is limited in some way by scarcity -- agricultural production, water distribution, the generation of heat and electricity, heavy manufacturing, transportation, housing. The cost of these activities would go down significantly. It's hard to even get a sense of what the implications of such a development would be. Now consider the possibility of mass scale production of isotopes by way of controlled transmutation. It would be an understatement to say that this would be disruptive. Precious metals would become commodities, and the already tenuous connection between gold and silver and the monetary supply would probably be broken. But more worryingly, it might be possible to order up as much uranium-235 as you want. So for the sake of widespread, unencumbered adoption of LENR, let's hope that energy production becomes easy and transmutation of heavier elements proves to be difficult or impossible. Eric On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:AussieGuy wrote:“Transmutation of elements via the FPE may replace mining.” It’ll do more than that… it’ll kill the entire precious metals business which has been a foundation for countries’ *monetary systems*. What affect that will have on economic systems, and countries, is probably not going to be pretty… in the beginning. With energy being extremely cheap, it will drive down the cost of just about everything from raw materials to completed products… and it’ll be much cheaper to transport those things to the point of consumption, so we’re talking about much lower cost for most *everything*.It wouldn’t surprise me if govts stepped in to bring in the changes gradually… But how does one decide what to do when this is probably unlike anything that has ever happened; nothing to go on. *To call LENR a ‘disruptive’ technology doesn’t even begin to describe it!* -Mark
[Vo]:Possible Proof of Peter's theory of gravity and New Matter Accrual
Peter, your thoughts about matter sucking ZPE and accruing mass may be extremely important. Your theory is a fascinatingly possible explanation for how the Earth has grown to its present size. If I brought you a box of broken glass, then assembled it into a perfect sphere, with no leftover pieces, it would be impossible to convince you that: Really, it had to have been a glass bowl! The following link demonstrates this very thin. First, Neal Adams, (Of Marvel Comics Fame as the main artist!) started with a virtual Earth. Then he pasted a map of the Ages of the Ocean floor. He then remove the newest sections of the ocean floor, leaving big gaps. Then, he moved all of the remaining segments together, and they only fit together on a slightly smaller Earth. He does this some seventeen times more: In the end, He ends up with all of the continents fitting together. They fit together onto a sphere that is 60% of the present EarthAll continents and large islands are completely surrounded by other continents and large islands---fitting together very well!The continents and large Islands completely cover this smaller here are no more oceans. This is backed up by abundant geological evidence. identical fossils in all areas where the pieces fit together, where fossils are available.Mountain ranges are better-explained by the wrinkling of the continents as they adapt to the ever-flattening re-curvature of the Earth's surface. This Growing Earth Theory has been around for more than a century. Really the only reason this theory has been rejected is because no one believes that new matter could be accumulating, inside the Earth. Study all of these videos very seriously, because they may be the best proof that your theory is really true, since it would explain the impossible accumulation of new matter inside the Earth! Perhaps we can calculate this effect, using your theory, and then see if it matches the observed rate of the Earth's Growth. If you write your theory in a good technical style, I could help you publish it in the NPA Journal---they are very open minded. Please contact me and let me know what you think. Must-See Videos: http://nealadams.com/nmu.html Wm. Scott Smith+509 290 4318+509 326 1307GMT - 8 hours Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 22:17:37 +0100 From: peter.heck...@arcor.de To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Thoughts about Mass and Gravitation and zeropoint. Hi, my thesis is that matter sucks up energy and this is the reason for gravity. I dont know in which frequency range this happens, but I think matter sucks up zeropoint energy and converts it to matter. There was a similar theory that was discussed by Clerk Maxwell and Boltzmann and others. They had the idea gravity is caused by radiation pressure. Matter absorbs this radiation and so we get an attraction force, which is a pressure force from outside. Maxwell calulated this and finally came to the conclusion, that under this condition matter must infinitely heat up, and so this idea was finally rejected. Now, he did not know e=m*c^2. What happens if the energy is converted into mass? Lets use air as an example for energy. Speed of sound is independent from pressure, but it is dependent from temperature. c ~ sqrt(T). If c is speed of sound and T is temperature, then c is proportional dependent from squareroot of temperature. c^2 ~ T. c squared is proportional to temperature. T = p* c^2. p is the proportional factor. Now, lets replace t by energy and p by mass, then we get e =m*c^2. Because mass sucks up energy, the energy density near to a mass must be lower than far away. With lower temperature in air we get lower speed of sound. With lower energy density in space we get slower speed of c. Therefore light is bent by gravitation. But c is always measured constant! How this? This is, because we use c to measure space and time. Distance is measured by an electromagnetic wavelength and time is measured from a resonancy frequency of atoms. So c is constant by definition of the measurement method. So, instead measuring slower speed of c we must measure dilated time and dilated space as Einsteins relativity theory predicts. Peter
[Vo]:What did this originally mean: Stop Destroying Keyboards
People, please! Use new headers for new discussionsBut while I am on the subject: WHO IN THE WORLD IS DESTROYING KEYBOARDS AND WHY (Enquiring minds want to know!!!) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:04:56 -0800 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Stop Destroying Keyboards From: rmfor...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; rmfor...@gmail.com; rmfor...@comcast.net Mary, thanks for http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/11/12/swedish-public-radio-turns-spotlight-on-lewan-and-ny-teknik/#comments You've already describe the possibilites of Rossi taking substantial investments with iron clad nondisclosure agreements...
[Vo]:Very cool PVC life-like autonomous machines!
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[Vo]:Crazy Ideas canhave merit; Crazyiness? probably not!
Crazy Ideas canhave merit; Crazyiness? probably not! Crazy ideas are part of the creative process; even the unworkable crazy ideas can lead us down new paths that do have unexpected good solutions. Perhaps some people have a sort of controlled or intermittent craziness. It is really hard for me to believe that Alice in Wonderland was not to some degree a result of psychotic experiences, or drugs, or perhaps accidental ingestion of shrooms. From any standpoint, thinking out of the box must inherently involve considering things that you and/or most people have already thrown out of the box, or things that were never allowed into the box in the first place. This is because the box already contains all of the sane , relevant, useful, etc-ideas. Scott Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:02:56 +0200 From: peter.heck...@arcor.de To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:An interesting Steve jobs quote for Professor Rossi You forget something that Jobs and others have demonstrated: Crazyness and ingnorance are not enough to change the world. Most who are crazy are not genius and not capable.. - Original Nachricht Von: Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 27.10.2011 04:14 Betreff: [Vo]:An interesting Steve jobs quote for Professor Rossi Here?s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the round pegs in the square holes? the ones who see things differently ? they?re not fond of rules? You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them, but the only thing you can?t do is ignore them because they change things? they push the human race forward, and while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.? ? Think Different, narrated by Steve Jobshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA Ron Kita, Chiralex
[Vo]:How to SAFELY make Nickel Nano Powder.
One would not have to use pure Hydrogen; I bet they have identified an H2-Noble Gas mixture that is slow-enough to be safe. You can dissolve most metals in acid and cause them to precipitate as nano-particles. The you would expose it to your gas mixture. Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:57:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to make Nickel Nano Powder. From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Nickel Nano powder is made like this: Nickel is oxidized. The nickel oxide is milled. The Nickel oxide powder is reduced to nickel in hydrogen athmossphere under high pressure and high temperature. Why doesnt this sometimes explode? It will! Read the safety and risk statements: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?D7=0N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEYN4=577995|ALDRICHN25=0QS=ONF=SPEC http://goo.gl/vENfr Note that AR does not use nanopowder according to his patent ap for the US. Particle size appears to be on the order of 10 micrometers, two orders of magnitude larger than this manufacturer's guaranteed size. The curious part to me are the kernels or protrusions on his particles. If his reaction occurs with IRM at the crystalline discontinuities, I would think they would be plentiful in this geometry. Of course, all this has been discussed before. Nothing new under the sun. T
[Vo]:Peter: I probably can get the articles free.
I probably can get the articles free. Libraries, especially University Libraries can order them for free and you get a copy, but it can be very slow. I subscribe to a service where I can only order a few a month and I can't make copies, but could screenshot short selections. That should be adequate. You can rent generally for a short period of time for $3 or $4 usd. Rent means you can only view them online. For $25 usd a month you can have rent 25 articles for as long as you subscribe. I have been very pleased with the wide selection of journals though it can be very difficult to locate what you are looking for. Scott This is a great service: deepdyve.com Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:33:35 +020 From: peter.heck...@arcor.de To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to SAFELY make Nickel Nano Powder. If you browse google for nickel nanopowder and hydrogen, then you find countless scientific research articles. Of course almost all must be payed. It is mentioned that water resulting from the process can poison the process and this is still heavily researched. There is not one process, there are hundrets of research and proprietery industrial processes that involve nickel powder and hydrogen. Yes Nickel powder and Raney nickel can self ignite on air and is dangerous and toxic but there are no dangers in combination with hydrogen mentioned. The biggest danger is, it doesnt work, and they try all tricks to make it work. Especially never neutrons or soft gamma-rays or gamma-ray injury of persons where reported. Am 23.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Wm. Scott Smith: One would not have to use pure Hydrogen; I bet they have identified an H2-Noble Gas mixture that is slow-enough to be safe. You can dissolve most metals in acid and cause them to precipitate as nano-particles. The you would expose it to your gas mixture. Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 10:57:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to make Nickel Nano Powder. From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:12 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Nickel Nano powder is made like this: Nickel is oxidized. The nickel oxide is milled. The Nickel oxide powder is reduced to nickel in hydrogen athmossphere under high pressure and high temperature. Why doesnt this sometimes explode? It will! Read the safety and risk statements: http://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog/ProductDetail.do?D7=0N5=SEARCH_CONCAT_PNO|BRAND_KEYN4=577995|ALDRICHN25=0QS=ONF=SPEC http://goo.gl/vENfr Note that AR does not use nanopowder according to his patent ap for the US. Particle size appears to be on the order of 10 micrometers, two orders of magnitude larger than this manufacturer's guaranteed size. The curious part to me are the kernels or protrusions on his particles. If his reaction occurs with IRM at the crystalline discontinuities, I would think they would be plentiful in this geometry. Of course, all this has been discussed before. Nothing new under the sun. T
[Vo]:S-C transience in a strong magnetic field.
Previous Message:Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just abovethe critical temperature so that it drops? Actually, a strong-enough magnetic field can also overcome the superconducting condition. The super conductivity returns as soon as the field is weakened or removed.I know how to get around this if anyone would like to work with me on a simple experiment.Scott Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:S-C currents not DC?
How are S-C currents not DC? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation From: fznidar...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:19:59 -0400 thanks for the info -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:S-C Niobium Cav is still impenetrable
I think what we are seeing in this case is that the niobium which is in a superconducting state, surrounds the space we are using as a cavity; therefore, we are still looking at the superconducting material as being an impenetrable magnetic barrier, a barrier that happens to completely surround the space of the cavity. Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:07:09 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? From: michele.comit...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com RF cavity is used in particle accelerators. Those things are AC yet they dissipate very little, if I recall correctly a stationary RF in one of those lasts for months. They spend more energy for keeping things cool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconducting_Radio_Frequency mic 2011/10/19 Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com: Say that initially the superconductor was brought into its SC state not in the presence of magnetic fields. At that time there are nominally no supercurrents. As you bring the SC into the presence of a magnet a supercurrent must form that previously did not exist to prevent penetration of the magnetic field into the superconductor. This is not a DC supercurrent because it has not existed in steady state for all time. Initially there will be some loss in the supercurrent because there are components that are not DC. At least that’s my understanding. I asked a guy at CERN about this in how they bring up their strong supercurrent in their superconducting electromagnets. It is not a simple process. From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? How are S-C currents not DC? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation From: fznidar...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:19:59 -0400 thanks for the info -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics
RE: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC?
I have magnetized a torroid S-C by moving a nearby magnet away from it. (the magnet was present as it was cooling into the S-C state. I could move the magnet in a different direction and make the S-C torus into an opposite kind of magnet. I don't see how else one could induce a current in a S-C. What is strange about this is the fact that the newly induced current that is inside the super conductor is still inducing a magnetic field outside of the conductor. This is probably a quantum effect that is akin to how the strong magnetic field inside a ferrite core still acts strongly on the conducting coil that is outside of the core, even though the field itself, outside of the core is very slight. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? From: dlrober...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:59:53 -0400 I think this can be broken down into two components. A transient plus a DC current would define the process. The DC part would be steady for the length of time that you make the observation. The transient current takes care of the changing part. By your definition of DC, there is no possibility of any existing. Can you think of anything that has generated DC for all time? Just a matter of definitions Dave -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 5:41 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? Say that initially the superconductor was brought into its SC state not in the presence of magnetic fields. At that time there are nominally no supercurrents. As you bring the SC into the presence of a magnet a supercurrent must form that previously did not exist to prevent penetration of the magnetic field into the superconductor. This is not a DC supercurrent because it has not existed in steady state for all time. Initially there will be some loss in the supercurrent because there are components that are not DC. At least that’s my understanding. I asked a guy at CERN about this in how they bring up their strong supercurrent in their superconducting electromagnets. It is not a simple process. From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:28 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:S-C currents not DC? How are S-C currents not DC? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation From: fznidar...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:19:59 -0400 thanks for the info -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message-From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PMTo: vortex-l@eskimo.comSubject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just abovethe critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero
[Vo]:Ni Palladium must be colder than liq N
Ni Palladium must much be colder than liq N Unless perhaps they are part an ceramic oxide, similar to YCBO or are part of certain thin layer phenomena. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation From: fznidar...@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:52:06 -0400 I have also tried to stimulate nickel and palladium wires in a nitrogen bath with RF energy. The cryogenics were intended to extend the domain of the superconductivity. The RF was tuned from 60 to 1000 mega hertz. No anomalous energy was produced. go to page six of the link below and the video will run on IE. I have, however, learned from my mistakes and believe that I can now do it. I now have some people helping me. The best outcome for me is if Rossi clearly produces thermal energy. That will open more doors. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/chapterb.html#Pg6 Frank -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 12:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation thanks for the info -Original Message- From: Higgins Bob-CBH003 bob.higg...@motorolasolutions.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Oct 19, 2011 8:48 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:quantum levitation Note that superconductors have zero resistance only for DC. At all frequencies above DC, the resistance is finite and there is penetration. Consider also that true DC extends from time -infinity to +infinity as a constant. Moving the superconductor in a magnetic field does create resistance because the supercurrents are not DC. Bob Higgins -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder [mailto:hveeder...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:27 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation Is it posible the RF signal is warming the superconductor just above the critical temperature so that it drops? Harry On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 11:48 PM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: A new understanding of flux pinning is the most important relation in 100 years. The magnet floats on the superconductor. Apply an RF field of 10 mega hertz to a small disk and the magnet drops. That what I saw, so what you say. Now we know how energy is released. Energy is pinned with the atom by the same mechanism, discontinuities. Where are the discontinuities in the atom, here there are below. http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/10710753/the-elastic-limit-of-space-and-the-quantum-condition What can you predict knowing the observed release condition? Try the energy levels of the hydrogen atom, the intensity of spectral emission, the distribution of electrons in the atom, and the frequency and energy of the photon. see below http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Publication/1078/the-control-of-the-natural-forces If you are so bright, where is your peer reviewed paper. Here it is below. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1875389211006092 An understating of flux pinning and flux release has the potential to transform the study of physics and our society. That my story and I am sticking to it, no matter what Jones says. Frank Znidarsic -Original Message- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:quantum levitation All this talk of pinning is just fine, but all of this is nicely predicted by the basic laws of electrical induction and the zero resistivity offered by a superconductor, you would expect repulsion or attraction to occur. No it is not. This flux pinning thing is a big deal. The same mechanism accounts for the pinning of flux in a superconductor accounts for the energy levels of the atom. A solution that includes both provides for a classical foundation for quantum physics. Flux is pinned in the nucleus too. An understanding of the release mechanism provides for a new understanding of the cold fusion reaction. Flux is pinned at discontinuities. It is shook free by a vibration at a dimensional frequency of 1,094,000 meters/second. Thats it. I did the experiment with the superconductor, Horace now has it. Frank Znidarsic
[Vo]:Tel Aviv S-C Levitation homo-polar
Previous Post: Ron Kita, Chiralex Few people realize that when one spins a symmetical magnet as a ring magnet-the flux lines remain stationary in space. This is the principle of the One Piece Farady Homopolar Generator. I am not so sure. Think that this works because the magnet is constantly accelerated. We tend to make circular motion more mysterious than it really is.If we picture a representative part of the magnet traveling clockwise around a clock face then: At 12, it has just stopped decelerating in the upward direction, it is just starting to accelerate in the downward direction, is at full speed traveling toright but is decelerating its rightward direction. This constant acceleration in one direction and simultaneous deceleration in a direction that is perpendicular to that, is taking place at every point around the circle, It is taking place constantly at every location throughout the rotating magnet. In other words, every part of the magnetic field itself is always accelerating. As with alternating current being out of phase with the driving voltage, it is the changein the magnetic field that is inducing the current. In this case, the change is constant and also is the current constant.
[Vo]:Merely Copying Nature As-Is
I agree with the logic of your macro scale argument regarding the astronaut and would even add the hammers being thrown to the astronaut could be delivered from the future and the past - growing from point sources to full size hammers on either side of the astronaut similar to virtual particles winking into and out of existence. If he were to grab both hammers any inertia would cancel but he would gain disposable mass. The captured hammers could then provide reaction mass for any desired direction by throwing them in the opposite direction. Yes, and if he caught the hammers with a spring-loading device, then he doesn't even need to use his own energy to expel them again! At the quantum scale an HUP trap or Maxwell̵ 7;s demon must – to maintain your analogy- first capture the energy or mass AND then must likewise provide a mechanism to rectify the energy or “throw” the captured mass in a specific direction. This is difficult to mechanize at the nano scale and most ZPE schemes rely on some form of natural assembly or bulk chemical reactions to form the needed geometries which break the isotropy. Without breaking the isotropy a scheme like Nichols radiometer could not utilize virtual particles. Too literal and mechanical! I am not proposing anything that atoms have not already been doing for eons! The Quantum Vacuum is widely regarded as the mechanism that stimulates the Spontaneous Emission known as Black Body Radiation. In other words, atoms absorb certain wavelengths of the Quantum Flux all of the time. Black Body Radiation is always re-emitted according to the temperatures of the emitting surfaces; it has nothing to do with which surface absorbs the most or reflects the most; therefore, both sides absorb the same amount of imparted momentum as photons are absorbed on one side--but these absorbed photons are re-emitted from both sides so that their momenta are equal, opposite and irrelevant. However! The extra reflection from the more reflective side imparts a net force as the reflecting photons rebound. The rebounding photons of the reflected em are the requisite hammers to accelerate our device. The recoil of the atoms in the material stores and releases the energy that repels the photons, just as the impact-loaded spring relaunched the stranded astronaut's newly acquired hammers. At the end of the day, virtual photons are little ripples of distorting electric- and magnetic-fields. Except for the brevity of their tenure in our space-time, there is no reason to suspect that they are any different than any other photon. Like any other photon, their probability-wave function collapses into a discrete event as soon as they interact with matter. Why do you insist that the magnetic fields that compose virtual photons are any different than those that compose real photons? The flux is the same on both sides, but the materials react differently. On the one hand, the electric and magnetic transverse waves of a given range of wavelengths of the virtual photons will absorb into one set of atoms, on an average, according to the critical angle of that material. The electric and magnetic transverse waves will bounce off another set of atoms with different properties, at a greater or shallower critical angle, on an average. One side of a radiometer plate will not react any different to virtual particles than the other side because everything physical is permeated by a full spectrum of these VP which forms the medium of Space and without concentrating on a specific section of the spectrum where Casimir discovered strong physical linkage to nano geometry or accelerating to near C the medium remains isotropic with only slow gradients proportional to nearby mass. Actually, I have derived the radiation pressure of space acting on an open (unbounded) surface: F(λ) = 4 * (10^-28) / λ^4 Pa This must be evaluated over a specific range F(λ1) - F(λ 2) These are the wavelengths that will react with the selected materials in the desired way. This must be calculated for opposite sides of the device which has different materials. Incidentally, this varies from the Casimir Equation for two plates by a factor of merely 3.26. This factor arises because the space between the plates is bounded, whereas our surfaces are unbounded by any other nearby surface. Incidentally, the c term in Casimir's equation arises from converting radian frequency to wavelength. Bottom line, this radiation pressure, like all macroscopic forces is seated in Quantum Mechanical Happening, but averages out to classical, macroscopic forces. From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:25 PM To: Roarty, Francis X; Fran Roarty; vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Stranded Astronaut Newtonian Loophole Hi Fran, Thank you for your many well-thought out responses. Recently, however, I think you have been making the underlying faulty assumption
[Vo]:Stranded Astronaut Newtonian Loophole
Hi Fran, Thank you for your many well-thought out responses. Recently, however, I think you have been making the underlying faulty assumption that equal and opposite forces cannot indirectly result in a continuous net force on an objects. Remember (Was it Huckleberry Finn?) I reckon there's more than one way to skin a cat ? Please, consider this point without worrying about anything but the mechanical logic of this analogy. Stranded Astronaut Newtonian Loophole A first astronaut that has accidentally cut his tether and is drifting away from his vehicle; initially, he is stranded because has no reaction-mass to expel, so he cannot get back to the ship without help. Two of his friends, upon seeing his dilemma, throw identical hammers at him at the same instant, equally hard from opposite directions in an effort to directly push him either back to his vehicle or back to the Space Station. Unfortunately, he catches both hammers, so no net force is imparted to him, and his friends don't have any thing else to throw at him; so is he still stranded? Of course not! He now has reaction mass. Furthermore, even though the hammers imparted equal and opposite forces, even though there truly is no net imparted-force, he is now free to expel them both in any direction he wants. Even though no net momentum is imparted by the equal and opposite forces of the hammers being stopped by the stranded astronaut, net energy is being imparted to the system, from outside of the system; because, it turns out that our stranded astronaut is too lazy to expend his own energy; instead, he allowed the colliding hammers to compress a spring as they struck him; so now, he has a spring-loaded launch mechanism that he can release in any desired direction; therefore, he is not using internal energy or mass that he had to bring with him, yet he can accelerate in any direction. Furthermore, in principle, he can be continuously supplied with new reaction-mass to expel. Do you acknowledge that it doesn't necessarily matter if the Quantum Flux Hammers from all directions equally. What actually matters is whether the materials can respond asymmetrically to this non-net-momentum transfer of energy! If you accept that the electromagnetic Q Flux hammers away on all sides of all materials equally, then why are you so certain that the astronauts method, or something like it cannot be made to work. From: scott...@hotmail.com To: Subject: R decay rates changed by high voltage? Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 13:32:17 -0700 What do you make of this? US patent number #5,076,971. Barker places radioactive elements inside the sphere of aVan de Graaff generator, runs it at a negative potential for severalminutes/hours/days -- and finds that the rate of radioactive decayis extremely enhanced -- with some relationship to the magnitude ofthe negative potential. The principal investigator undertook a series of experiments to testthe Barker effect and the Keller Catalytic Process in changing therate of radioactive decay of heavy elements (elements heavier thanlead, such as radium, thorium, or uranium, all of which areradioactive). Barker claims that subjecting radioactive materials tohigh electrostatic potentials (50,000 volts to 500,000 volts) canincrease or decrease the rate of radioactive decay, with shortexposures of the high voltage capable of inducing erratic decay rateswhich slowly return to normal over a period of weeks. Keller claimsthat subjecting radioactive materials to the high heat and fusingreaction of a chemical process (Keller Catalytic Process) caneliminate the radioactivity completely.-- Michael Mandeville http://www.aa.net/~mwm/dexmrad1.html
[Vo]:Light-Suck Other Matters!
with this assumption based on our shared relativistic concept that longer wavelength vacuum energy is not really displaced by Casimir suppression, but rather time itself varies with energy density whenever it is reduced (or increased) such that a tiny observer inside a specific Casimir geometry would still see the full wavelength while from his perspective that same wavelength would appear shorter or longer in surrounding regions where the cavity geometry changes. Notice that the tapestry of different Casimir geometries are all far lower than the density we experience at the macro scale and therefore all dilations would be accelerated instead of the more familiar retarded dilation where the Paradox Twin remains young relative to us. Notice also that our relativistic perspective amplifies the total energy available through time dilation. The gas atoms migrating through these dilation zones are blissfully unaware of their temporal space time translations and provide only the opportunity to exploit the differences between these stationary – adjacent regions of different energy density. I say “only” the opportunity because the translations themselves will seek to be conservative unless we do something to make the translations asymmetrical like translating between densities as atoms in one circumstance while translating as molecules for another. You also mentioned the analogy of stationary wind to the motion of electromagnetic radiation which I think needs to be examined slightly differently. Electromagnetic radiation exists in our 3D plane can explain solar cell collectors or even driving a tiny space elevator up a tether but you are still utilizing a standard source of directional energy. Virtual particles form a stream on the time axis but schemes that just try to put up sail between 3d matter and this stream won’t work – the stream is normally isotropic or varies at a slow gravitational gradient. To exploit the stream we need to utilize Casimir geometry to create an abrupt break in this isotropy where we are left with numerous stationary inertial frames similar to gravitational wells but with abrupt gradients formed by the geometry. An object inside the cavity inherits an equivalent gravitational energy courtesy of the geometry such that two tiny stationary observers displaced by only a few nanometers can be experiencing different levels of gravitational acceleration. RegardsFran From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:51 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Francis Roarty; Fran Roarty Subject: Asymmetry Reaction is the key In my more recent work, I am not talking about altering the Quantum Vacuum itself; rather, I am trying to alter the way matter reacts to the Quantum-flux. Granted, the expanding circle of the virtual photons as it winks-in is expanding in all directions, but it can only be pushing on a particular object in just one direction! But of course, the real problem is that different virtual photons are pushing equally on all sides of an object in equally in force but in opposite directions. Of course, if we were talking about using ambient stationary air pressure, it would take just as much- or more- energy to reduce the pressure on one side of an object than might be obtained from the resulting unbalanced forces. Fortunately, we are not dealing with air, but with electromagnetic radiation. The major difference is this, the only part of the flux that exerts any pressure on any material is those few vp's that wink-in immediately adjacent or even overlapping the surface of the material. As we have noted, the same flux is incident on opposite sides of an object, creating equal and opposite forces. There are at least five ways that we might potentially make objects that have asymmetric interactions with the equal but opposite radiation pressure that acts on two opposite sides of an object. For example, a radiometer is bathed in equal but (rotationally) opposite light sources, and all applied forces are equal and opposite; in other words, the absorbing light imparts the same amount of momentum as it strikes the one side of the radiometer as the reflecting light as it first strikes the opposite side of the radiometer. Here is where the net force comes from: on the one hand, absorbed radiation is always re-emitted as Black Body Radiation according to the temperature of a body; therefore, as long as we have good heat transfer between the two sides,both sides will re-emit the same amount of originally absorbed energy---even though most of this originally-absorbed energy was originally collected on the one, more-absorbent side. Therefore, the absorbed radiation is re-emitted fairly equally in opposite directions so it contributes zero net force. On the other hand, the reflected light rebounds (mostly) from one side only, so its rebound force is mostly unopposed, thus leaving us with a net force
RE: [Vo]:Fran Group: Please Reconsider the following pointTime-Frame-Based Casimir Effect
I agree that we can view virtual photons as expanding through our lower dimensional 3-di Plane I think of this expansion in terms of a photon traveling half a wavelength then disappearing. From any standpoint the Quantum Photon Flux is imparting momentum to matter (or else it doesn't matter anyway!) Furthermore, if we consider a photon flux from 3-space through 2-space, it is as you say, a dot appears to expand into a circle, then contract again into a dot and disappear.When a 4 or 4+ space sends photons through our 3-space, then these appearing-disappearing circles intersect every possible plane in our 3-space. I really don't see why this perpendicularity prevents these photons from exerting real forces in the many ways that have been attributed to the Quantum Flux. If you accept that there is an electromagnetic Q-Flux then you must acknowledge the possibility that it exerts radiation pressure on matter. If this is true, then my various proposals are very plausible. Incidentally, light in a medium other than space moves slow, yet imparts more momentum to a mirror that is located inside the medium; therefore, even a stationary photon may impart momentum to an adjacent surface in the direction of its propagation, since its action on matter is due to the transverse movement of the wave. Researchers have created materials that have negative (not fractional) indices of refraction, it is thought that light might exert tension on a material instead of pressure. Again, such light could only do this if its transverse field motion is what causes it momentum-effects. Again, I really think I can do this, but I really need help. Scott From: froarty...@comcast.net To: scott...@hotmail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Fran Group: Please Reconsider the following pointTime-Frame-Based Casimir Effect Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:20:14 -0400 Scott, You are knocking on precisely the door I have been trying to open but the language so easily perverts between time and space when you switch perspectives between different inertial frames. The task is further obscured by our position that an apparently “stationary” region inside a cavity can utilize suppression to generate a different [equivalent?] inertial frame based on changes in the unit time instead of changing the velocity of an object[a gravity hill].I agree with your “pressure” analogy which can trace its origin back to Puthoff’s atomic model which is then further accumulated / segregated by virtue of Casimir geometry. Where I disagree however is that these “pressures” could have a spatial bias without use of a 3rd body to create an asymmetry – My posit is that the stream of virtual particles exist in a rolled up dimension that is 90 degrees displaced to our spatial plane and where this stream intersects with the spatial plane the virtual particles appear to grow from nothing outward into our spatial dimension at a specific xyz coordinate and then just as quickly shrink back out of our spatial dimensions in a never ending stream. Therefore the “pressure” is balanced along the time axis and it requires a 3rd body to interact with these fields in an asymmetrical manner to force the balance to redistribute between time and space. My bet is that hydrogen atoms used by Rossi or Mills are exchanging time for energy and would be much older than hydrogen that was never circulated through a cavity – We know the difference in light speed thru a Casimir region is only infinitesimally faster than C as perceived outside the cavity but this is the most rapid example of an object transitioning the region and piloted directly thru center of the cavity – think about the accumulating dilation of an object such as a gas atom residing for hours and slowly migrating into ever decreasing geometry with the possibility of fractionalized atoms achieving confinements up to 137 times smaller than a normal atom could achieve.RegardsFran On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:38:41 -0700 Wm. Scott Smith wroteThe Quantum Vacuum itself exerts radiation pressure all of the time on everything. As measured within the accelerated time-frame, photon collisions of a given intensity are happening at exactly the same rate as the corresponding photons that manifest outside of the cavity, as measured from that external time frame; however, when we stand outside of the cavity, we see these equally energetic collisions as happening at a faster rate, inside the cavity and we conclude that more outward directed momentum is being imparted, inside the cavity than outside the cavity.The observer inside the cavity would see the same difference in forces, except he thinks the outside world is passing through time more slowly; therefore, he concludes that his side of the cavity walls are receiving momentum at a normal rate, but that the corresponding photons are striking the external walls more slowly.In other words, both observers agree that there is more
[Vo]:Asymmetry Reaction is the key
issue with Vtec is that it seems like you are trying to pick yourself up by your hair – the forces you propose to exploit are sourced and sinked in the same v shaped geometry. That said I do agree these growing and contracting spheres do represent motion but they impart force equally into our spatial plane. I think gas motion is a perfect example of how these chaotic occurrences equal out to supply random forces that keeps gases expanded but without any specific spatial bias – just pressure. I don’t think you can reuse the same object that creates the pressure to steer itself.RegardsFran Wm. Scott Smith Sat, 10 Sep 2011 15:57:05 -0700I agree that we can view virtual photons as expanding through our lower dimensional 3-di Plane I think of this expansion in terms of a photon traveling half a wavelength then disappearing. From any standpoint the Quantum Photon Flux is imparting momentum to matter (or else it doesn't matter anyway!)Furthermore, if we consider a photon flux from 3-space through 2-space, it is as you say, a dot appears to expand into a circle, then contract again into a dot and disappear.When a 4 or 4+ space sends photons through our 3-space, then these appearing-disappearing circles intersect every possible plane in our 3-space.I really don't see why this perpendicularity prevents these photons from exerting real forces in the many ways that have been attributed to the Quantum Flux. If you accept that there is an electromagnetic Q-Flux then you must acknowledge the possibility that it exerts radiation pressure on matter. If this is true, then my various proposals are very plausible.Incidentally, light in a medium other than space moves slow, yet imparts more momentum to a mirror that is located inside the medium; therefore, even a stationary photon may impart momentum to an adjacent surface in the direction of its propagation, since its action on matter is due to the transverse movement of the wave.Researchers have created materials that have negative (not fractional) indices of refraction, it is thought that light might exert tension on a material instead of pressure. Again, such light could only do this if its transverse field motion is what causes it momentum-effects.Again, I really think I can do this, but I really need help.Scott
[Vo]:Fran Group: Please Reconsider the following pointTime-Frame-Based Casimir Effect
The Quantum Vacuum itself exerts radiation pressure all of the time on everything. As measured within the accelerated time-frame, photon collisions of a given intensity are happening at exactly the same rate as the corresponding photons that manifest outside of the cavity, as measured from that external time frame; however, when we stand outside of the cavity, we see these equally energetic collisions as happening at a faster rate, inside the cavity and we conclude that more outward directed momentum is being imparted, inside the cavity than outside the cavity. The observer inside the cavity would see the same difference in forces, except he thinks the outside world is passing through time more slowly; therefore, he concludes that his side of the cavity walls are receiving momentum at a normal rate, but that the corresponding photons are striking the external walls more slowly. In other words, both observers agree that there is more outward directed pressure inside the cavity than there is inward directed pressure acting on the exterior of the cavity. Again, the pressure is the same inside and outside the cavity in each of those time frames, but they both see the same resulting difference in pressure from their own perspective. Really, the question hinges on whether the inside surface of the wall is in a different time zone than the outside surface . I think, if our theory is true, that the surfaces inside the cavity must be inside the faster time zone since it is this very surface that is causing the time-rate shift. Otherwise, the space would still be too small for the longer waves! What is causing the Casimir Effect if what I am saying is not true? Scott Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 10:25:02 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: scott...@hotmail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:RE: EXTERNAL: Time-Frame-Based Casimir Effect Hi Scott,I still don’t think you can derive directional thrust in our inertial frame but your point regarding motion is appropriate relative to how we define time and motion when describing relative effects between different inertial frames. What we describe as time dilation from our perspective outside a cavity is perceived as spatial motion from the local perspective of the remote object inside the cavity such that the as plates move closer together from our external perspective they have an opposing motion from an internal perspective that starts to add distance at the inverse of distance^4 – It is a very real motion to the vac wavelengths [virtual particles] allowing them to fit in a space that appears too small from our perspective outside the cavity. You may be able to create imbalances inside the cavity but I remain convinced the overall “pressure” remains balanced externally and internally and you need to involve a 3rd body such as gas atoms that have a natural affinity for one region over the other in order to create an exploitable asymmetry. My premise is that as long as the cavities taper smoothly into fissures and capillaries of sub atomic geometry the fractional gas can become further fractionalized and migrate into these relativistic confines as long as it remains in the center of the field and does not approach the cavity walls – If it slips out of the field it should rapidly translate through the fractionalized states and be rapidly squeezed out of the cavity by the confining walls. The confusion is that the Casimir plates modify both inertial frames- segregating energy density differently inside vs outside the cavity between as mentioned by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula in her paper Cavity QED http://th-www.if.uj.edu.pl/acta/vol27/pdf/v27p2409.pdf. This abrupt breach in isotropy is unlike any other macro phenomenon in nature. She also makes a point similar to yours regarding radioactive decays but based instead on spontaneous emission of Yb atoms in a mirror resonator being either enhanced or inhibited dependent on conditions. RegardsFran From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:34 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; Roarty, Francis X; Fran Roarty Subject: EXTERNAL: Time-Frame-Based Casimir Effect Fran, I think this is part of the difference between cavities that exhibit negative internal pressure or positive internal pressure. If we start by assuming that Lorentz Invariance applies to nanocavities then, at first, we expect the same pressure inside the cavity as outside the cavity, except for one little detail: Casimir Plates actually move! How can this be? Clearly, if we are correct, the pressure actually is the same in each time frame, but faster time means more instances of impulse as counted from a slower time frame; this gives us a positive pressure cavity. If time passes slower inside the cavity, then we have a negative pressure cavity. In other words, the time change is what is actually causing the Casimir Effect. Therefore
[Vo]:Time-Frame-Based Casimir Effect
Fran, I think this is part of the difference between cavities that exhibit negative internal pressure or positive internal pressure. If we start by assuming that Lorentz Invariance applies to nanocavities then, at first, we expect the same pressure inside the cavity as outside the cavity, except for one little detail: Casimir Plates actually move! How can this be? Clearly, if we are correct, the pressure actually is the same in each time frame, but faster time means more instances of impulse as counted from a slower time frame; this gives us a positive pressure cavity. If time passes slower inside the cavity, then we have a negative pressure cavity. In other words, the time change is what is actually causing the Casimir Effect. Therefore, a cavity with a U-shaped cross section of the right materials, size and proportions can probably be designed so as to experience equal forces on its ceiling as on its roof, but at different rates of time. Therefore, a properly designed cavity will experience a net force. What do you think?Scott,
[Vo]:Republican Welfare Better Possibilities
I am not suggesting that there is any merit or particular lack of merit by these things; they are merely accurate observations. Most jobs in our economy really do not serve most people, except that most us have such jobs. Let's take a look at Government waste first. Government is the biggest cash machine, not for people on welfare, but for corporations that get highly questionable contracts. We all know many examples. My Grandfather made quite a career up into the highest levels in the US Federal Bureaucracy. If you asked the CEO of GM what he produced, he would say: automobiles. If you asked my Grandfather what he produced, he would say: jobs. His method? Triple the paperwork, double the staff, apply for next promotion, promote the least-competent person he could find, to take over his old job, then repeat this cycle at his next job. Commoditiy trading and the ability to buy and sell stock on short time intervals does no general good for society. Most, if not all, so-called primitive societies do the same thing. Large private business have the same cancer. People make unneeded jobs for unneeded projects to hire their relatives and friends; or like my Grandfather, they just believe that it is the decent thing to do! These high-powered executives probably do a similar thing to artificially maintain their outrageous pay-scale, terms of service and benefits. It is doubtful that even 20 % of us have jobs that could not, in principle, be eliminated, but then; who would buy all the goods and services of the remaining 20%. Ideally all of us that truly can work, could eight hours a day and enjoy all the same goods and services; or we could all work 16 hours a week and get twice as many goods and services. I guess my point is that a lot of people should be a lot humbler when criticizing various forms of wealth redistribution: I think it can be done far better than what any system is presently doing, but it is a very human thing to somehow, accomplish, and not as evil as so many people assume. With the coming hyper-automation of nearly everything, nearly all of us will be in this same boat! The good new is this, if we are all shareholders in this process, then we can all look forward to less work, more goods and more services. Automation will even make recycling practical. CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[Political OT]: Global negative income tax Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:05:18 -0400 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com It's not reserved for poor countries, but weak countries. Thus, poor Libya, having given up its nuclear ambitions, gets smacked around with a large trout, whereas poor DPRK is allowed to fire missiles randomly around its region, and it receives a finger wag. Craig, truly brilliant post. Sent from my iPhone. On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:04, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/8/6 Craig Haynie cchayniepub...@gmail.com: You propose to end war with a global democracy, but wars will never end as long as we give the power seekers the ability to wage war. I have not seen a war in 66 years, because I live in civilized and rich country. Believe me, war is something that is only reserved for poor people. If we end poverty, we will end all wars.
[Vo]:Proving Turtur requires submerged rotors to end controversey.
I have written to Turtur several times and he has generally replied. I have been unable to persuade him to replicate his experiment with the metal rotors buried in oil, perhaps on a raft as is presently done, or simply connected to the underside of the little raft. This is the only thing that will convince me that there is no ion-wind that can create spurious results. Doing it in a Vacuum does not prove anything since the remaining molecules move more energetically. From: froarty...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2011 10:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Vo]:Vacuum-Energy audio(video) book on ZPEnergy.com http://www.zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=3297I just viewed this 3 part AV book by Claus Turtur and was struck by some of the parallels in his experiments and theory for requirements to harness ZPE to the Ni-H anomalies. Professor Turtur has succeeded in proving ZPE as the only possible source of energy for his electrostatic motor operated in a vacuum with a viscous liquid bearing. He has also provided detailed plans and math for a commercially viable electromagnetic ZPE motor based on same theory. The most intriguing parallel was that all these ZPE converters apparently require loading to operate. In Ni-H the heat sink must be in operation or the oscillations around the transition point will only occur slowly or in a life after death scenario after the heater is turned off [a very slow heat sink]. In Turtur’s motor the rotating permanent magnets must always lag behind a stator coil and capacitor tank circuit due to a mechanical load, an unloaded rotor will catch up to the stator and the ZPE contribution will be lost. This design requires an initiating motor to bring the generator up close to operating speed/ frequency of the stator tank circuit similar to other demonstrations of over unity motors I have seen on you tube.
[Vo]:On Stirling Engines on ZPE Mechanical Force
Actually, advanced Stirling engines tend to use highly pressurized Helium, which is the lightest monatomic element. GM spent $200 million on developing a really well-performing Stirling engine that could potentially burn anything combustible, and with great efficiency, but they wanted more money for retooling and were never funded. I have a design that integrates heat-pipes and pistons, that would be far more efficient, smaller and cheaper. However, I am still focusing on mechanically harnessing the momentum of the ephemeral photons of the Quantum Vacuum by altering the manner in which a pair of back to back mirrors interact with these photons so that one mirror experiences more reflection forces than the other, oppositely facing mirrors. (There is reason to believe that there are some subtle differences between how photons conserve momentum and how mass-possessing objects conserve momentum.) z-pec.yolasite.com Scott Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 22:49:43 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Inert gas engine From: davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com It is more efficient since there is no energy loss in heating on rotational energies as there are with diatomic gases. The only problem is ofcourse to heat the gas. More of the heating energy goes into gas expansion in noble gases compared to diatomic gases. I assume that good Sterling engines use noble gas. There is too much hush hush regarding Sterling techniques. DavidDavid Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370 On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Frank Roarty froarty...@comcast.net wrote: Frank X. Roarty Original Message Subject: Inert gas engine From: Frank Roarty froarty...@comcast.net To: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com CC: Hoyt, The inert gas engine was developed from the Papp engine. For those such as myself that believe all these anomalies from Black Light Plasma, sonoluminesence to the heat anomalies in metal powders and lattices are all based on vacuum engineering of energy density by use of casimir geometry relative to the random motion of ionized gases. I did a blog on the Papp engine back in March see froarty.scienceblog.com which has a lengthy reply from John Rhoner the CEO of Plasma ERG and patent author. fran
[Vo]:(Mostly) Smart People Marry Smart People and Stupid . . .
I think that certain social aspects tend to reinforce certain groupings in society; not enough to cause us to branch out into diverse species, but there is much more potential for people to find mates that match or complement their own characteristics due to the break down in social barriers, acceptance of diversity and just plain more people living closer together, especially from different backgrounds. I think we are going to seem more people who are more extremely exceptional in various ways. Of course it will be hard to separate out these effects from improved education and increased communication and information availability. Scott To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi is a genius From: fznidar...@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 20:23:32 -0400 Speaking of that Scientific American has an article on intelligence this month. It says that we, as a species, can get no smarter. More intelligence would be accompanied with reduced reaction times and more energy use. It would not work out. Last year, read a book on human intelligence. It states that we are evolving more rapidly that ever. With a large population chances for a positive mutation are good. This mutation will propagate widely within a few 100 years. He used the average intelligence of the Askingin Jew as a case and point. This intelligence climbed up a notch over the last 300 years. I forgot the name of the book. Mitcho Kaku has stated that human evolution has stopped since there currently is no selection pressure. We are as smart as we are going to get. Without a selection pressure has human evolution reversed? I wish I knew. Frank Z
[Vo]:We Need to Stop Lying!
As with most alleged conspiracies. People with similar interests naturally do the same things. It is just plain old-fashioned non-orchestrated Self-interest. While on the topic, yes there really are people who conspire to pull a lot of strings, but the diversity of their individual self-interests probably negates their influence to quite a degree. The Truth! The Powerful Interest are sitting precariously on top of an enormously unstable human pyramid. You and I are the ones holding them up!!! The number one ally they have is most of us How??? At the end of the day, our lie is the only thing they have going for them!!! The Lie WHEN WE PROMOTE THE LIE THAT THEY ARE ALL-POWERFUL AND WE ARE POWERLESS TO ORGANIZE EFFECTIVELY AGAINST THEM! (Not shouting, just excited!!!) The Tried and True Solution: They are woosies compared to the tyrannies our ancestors dealt with! They overthrew the Inquisition, the general civic authority of the Roman Church, the Aristocracy, dictatorships, Communism in Eastern Europe (more or less!) radical Islam's days are numbered---its still happening, Aristotle and other foolish traditions and superstitions. The Scientific Revolution has taken off. Industrialization overcame the power of the craft-guilds. Our society has devoted itself to questioning everything. There is much less of the fallacy of appealing to authority. We can change our paradigm from value based on contrived scarcity to valuing abundance. We can overthrow the Special Interest of our day. My point is this: we, as their children have a rich inheritance that resounds with the words WE CAN! I have very carefully worked out the details on exactly how this can really be done. I have mapped out a strategy that will really decapitate special interests from the political process. A small group of people will have to work their butts off recruiting even just a few more people--with years of toil and no visible result. The Sheeple will have nothing to say about it except BD Bd! At some point the still-small group will reach a critical-mass. They will look like ordinary Sheeple so when they start moving out in a new direction, more and more people will suddenly stand up and move out with them. Historically, nearly every major movement that seemed spontaneous was rooted in this sort of process. We had an Off-Year World's Fair in Spokane in 1974 (I had just turned 17). You had to stand in line up to half an hour just to use the toilet! My buddies and I were sitting around bored one day, (we all had season passes.) Suddenly, inspiration hit! I jumped up and proclaimed: We need just one-more line (one more queue.) --A line that goes to nowhere!!! We found a door and watched to make sure it never opened, recruited just a few more people and started the line. The fact that the line was the shortest in the Park added to the appeal! We quickly accumulated a line of more than fifty people, then sat back and watched the line perpetuate itself for about two hours, until the officials noticed and told everyone! Fortunately, my current line (queue) will actually take us somewhere! Some early-comers will join us because we are small and avante guarde (spelling?) more will join because it's becoming fashionable, yet more will join because it is then fashionable! The moral of the story is this, sheeple follow other sheeple, they also follow radicals disguised as sheeple. The trick is to recruit the first wonderers---people who think for themselves are few and far between--but they can be gathered together if even a small seed group is willing to work long and hard. President Kennedy said: Others look at the way the World is and ask: Why? But I look at things that have never been and ask Why Not?. Please read my papers. I have labored very hard to work out many vital details. z-pec.yolasite.comRead the Links under Populistocracy. ScottWm. Scott SmithUSA+ five zero nine, three one five, one one nine four Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 12:05:46 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A worldwide conspiracy against the Rossi effect From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: 1- The fake diagram of steam has been given to the “snake” Anyone have any idea what he means here? I do not recall a diagram. Is he speaking of a water phase graph? T
[Vo]:Momentum Energy Conservation Entropy End-Run
Momentum Energy Conservation Entropy End-Run Conservation Principles assume a closed system. One can view the Quantum Flux as a high-potential energy reservoir when it introduces a virtual photon; it can be viewed as a low energy reservoir when it removes a higher-entropy virtual photon after it has done work, (which happens all of the time anyway!) From our standpoint it is as though it is reversing entropy; although, perhaps the Quantum Flux in some global sense is in fact increasing in entropy.Actually, no device consumes energy, since no energy can be made (by us) or destroyed; really, devices run on changes in entropy. Plants and animals locally decrease entropy, at the expense of increasing entropy, globally.ScottFrom: aethe...@gmail.com From: aethe...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 21:27:36 +1200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:mass-energy of virtual photons in our universe To: vortex-l@eskimo.com If light exerted a negative pressure on certain materials you would have a violation of the laws of motion and with it the conservation of energy as you could make a device that produces thrust from emitting and reabsorbing the same light. On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com wrote: Just calculating the energy density of a single wavelength appears to give us infinite mass-energy at a point as the particle size approaches zero. John Wheeler pointed out that one cannot physically go smaller than the planck length for a wavelength size, because the Universe would collapse into a giant black hole at these neutron-star type mass-energy densities. Cosmologically speaking, others worry that allowing wavelengths that are quite a bit larger than that would make the universe expand out of control. Now I don't know if somehow these two considerations balance each other out. All I know is that ZPE proponents have argued that very small wavelengths exist, but are somehow gravitationally neutral or that their Gravitational attraction wears out as we consider ever-smaller sizes. I have heard that around the size where the em wavelengths are strong enough to explain the Strong Nuclear Force, is about where a runaway inflation of the Universe is no longer a concern. Personally, I don't think that runaway inflation is a problem to this model, because I think that gravity is caused by these smaller wavelengths. Recent papers in advanced optical theory have calculated that ordinary light can exert a negative pressure on certain materials. Perhaps the reverse could also be true: that some kinds of light can exert negative pressure on ordinary matter. At this level of consideration, one would have to think of Energy, momentum, inertia and gravity as forces that are informing matter where to go and how fast. Scott Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:37:46 Scott0500 From: svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:What is the aggregate mass of virtual particles in our universe These are follow-up questions, and the questions posed are very much related to my previous subject thread: A Third Way. It's my understanding that certain types of subatomic virtual particles possess mass, such as fermions, electrons, positrons, etc... It's also my understanding virtual particles are no different than real particles - only that their existence in our universe is fleeting. Nevertheless, I gather there are circumstances (which includes special experiments that have been conducted) where the fleeting nature of virtual particles can be disentangled in such a manner that causes their fundamental nature to become permanent in our universe. I could be wrong on this point but I get the impression that the universe as it, how shall I put it... -quantum fluctuates- produces a LOT of virtual particles, this despite the fact that individually speaking their life spans are exceedingly short. Nevertheless this suggests that at any moment in time, the aggregate total mass of all of these virtual particles could turn out to be a LOT. This begs several questions... Could the aggregate total mass of all these virtual particles account for some of the dark matter detected in our universe? Better yet, has this premise already been questioned and pursued by scientists and physicists? Due to the fact that individual virtual particles exist ever-so briefly in our universe, they would NEVER EVER get the chance to clump up into physical objects like planets, stars, and such. The mass of virtual particles would just sort of suddenly hang around in certain areas of the universe and remain frustratingly undetectable. This has also let me to wonder whether r if quantum fluctuations DO vary in different areas of the universe, thus producing more virtual mass than in other areas... there would seem to be more dark matter detected in certain areas of the universe than in other areas. If so, what circumstances would
[Vo]:OxyVac?
I have wondered why a better vacuum might be made by filling it with oxygen, pumping it out, then chemically trapping the rest of the oxygen. --Not saying its a good idea, but does anyone care to comment? Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:42:15 +0300 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Dear Fran, We are thinking differently. In this case Piantelli obtains his nanoNi by a physical method method, Molecular Beam Epitaxy with the desired morphology and the active sites have to be made free, cleaned. . Not the case of partially damaged sites. There are many physical and chemical processes of making nanoNI- perhaps Rossi has found a better one. Vacuum mills is an excellent idea in principle- how high a vacuum can be achieved and maintained? Alloys opens a new dimension, it is possible some will work better even than Ni- but only experiment can say. Re Cleaning I give you an example from my practice. Some acrylic monomers are extremely sensible to the presence of Sulphur compunds, even under 1 ppm. To determine analytically S is an ordeal. The engineers add a spoon of copper salt to the batch and S is fixed, harmless. Radical solution. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Peter, The repeated cleaning cycles used by Piantelli seems like a limited method of partially salvaging damaged sites. I would suggest instead to mill the powder inside a vacuum chamber where even the small amount of ambient gases left from the original ore can outgas while the geometry is being reduced. Much smaller geometry should be achieved in vacuum without heating of the metal from the reacting gases. The obvious difficulty is collecting the pristine millings while still under vacuum and alloying them by spin melt or sputtering with the inner reac tor wall surface. Perhaps the external cooling system should be already running and kept running to keep the smallest geometry of the forming alloys from collapsing due to the stiction forces? I don’t think pristine nano powder should require pressure loading of hydrogen and could even operate with the powder still under partial vacuum. Fran From: Peter Gl uck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future Yessir! have discussed this with Brian. I have concluded long time ago that CF is not reproducible because the active sites are covered with other gases from air (as polar as worse) that destroy their activity. For Ni-H I know how does the Piantelli Cell work, a lot is in his 2 patents WO1995/20816 and especially, WO 2010/58288 please see how drastically- high vacuum, high temperature, many cycles is nanoNi cleaned. Piantelli says the presence of foreign(not hydrogen) gas molecules inhibits the process. We don't know much about what is Rossi doing, is his system more tolerant to air and its impurities. Strem menos has told in one of his interviews how it was discovered that the system (which?) works only after deep degassing. I believe that clean metal surface- is a sine qua non condition for a working material/setup. This is a simple, cut-the-Gordian-Knot type idea. If it works, OK if not you can test all those conditions and ideas you describe, that are based on bright theories.Peter On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:mass-energy of virtual photons in our universe
Just calculating the energy density of a single wavelength appears to give us infinite mass-energy at a point as the particle size approaches zero. John Wheeler pointed out that one cannot physically go smaller than the planck length for a wavelength size, because the Universe would collapse into a giant black hole at these neutron-star type mass-energy densities. Cosmologically speaking, others worry that allowing wavelengths that are quite a bit larger than that would make the universe expand out of control. Now I don't know if somehow these two considerations balance each other out. All I know is that ZPE proponents have argued that very small wavelengths exist, but are somehow gravitationally neutral or that their Gravitational attraction wears out as we consider ever-smaller sizes. I have heard that around the size where the em wavelengths are strong enough to explain the Strong Nuclear Force, is about where a runaway inflation of the Universe is no longer a concern. Personally, I don't think that runaway inflation is a problem to this model, because I think that gravity is caused by these smaller wavelengths. Recent papers in advanced optical theory have calculated that ordinary light can exert a negative pressure on certain materials. Perhaps the reverse could also be true: that some kinds of light can exert negative pressure on ordinary matter. At this level of consideration, one would have to think of Energy, momentum, inertia and gravity as forces that are informing matter where to go and how fast. Scott Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:37:46 Scott0500 From: svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:What is the aggregate mass of virtual particles in our universe These are follow-up questions, and the questions posed are very much related to my previous subject thread: A Third Way. It's my understanding that certain types of subatomic virtual particles possess mass, such as fermions, electrons, positrons, etc... It's also my understanding virtual particles are no different than real particles - only that their existence in our universe is fleeting. Nevertheless, I gather there are circumstances (which includes special experiments that have been conducted) where the fleeting nature of virtual particles can be disentangled in such a manner that causes their fundamental nature to become permanent in our universe. I could be wrong on this point but I get the impression that the universe as it, how shall I put it... -quantum fluctuates- produces a LOT of virtual particles, this despite the fact that individually speaking their life spans are exceedingly short. Nevertheless this suggests that at any moment in time, the aggregate total mass of all of these virtual particles could turn out to be a LOT. This begs several questions... Could the aggregate total mass of all these virtual particles account for some of the dark matter detected in our universe? Better yet, has this premise already been questioned and pursued by scientists and physicists? Due to the fact that individual virtual particles exist ever-so briefly in our universe, they would NEVER EVER get the chance to clump up into physical objects like planets, stars, and such. The mass of virtual particles would just sort of suddenly hang around in certain areas of the universe and remain frustratingly undetectable. This has also let me to wonder whether r if quantum fluctuations DO vary in different areas of the universe, thus producing more virtual mass than in other areas... there would seem to be more dark matter detected in certain areas of the universe than in other areas. If so, what circumstances would produce an increase in quantum fluctuations in these areas of the universe. In conclusion, I'm speculat'in here that... state changes in various types of elements (and/or alloys) as they transition back and forth between crystalline solids and that of a liquid might also possibly account for an increase in certain kinds of quantum fluctuations, which in turn results in an increase in sub-atomic particle generation, as well as additional mass. Inquiring minds want to know. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:OxyVac?
Peter Gluck: Interesting- if oxygen replaces the other gases. can you suggest a method of chemically trapping oxygen? nano iron particles that we prepared in a noble gas and then released into the chamber only after the vacuum had been pumped out as much as possible. Other elements would probably be better, sodium? On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:58 PM, Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com wrote: I have wondered why a better vacuum might be made by filling it with oxygen, pumping it out, then chemically trapping the rest of the oxygen. --Not saying its a good idea, but does anyone care to comment? Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:42:15 +0300 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Dear Fran, We are thinking differently. In this case Piantelli obtains his nanoNi by a physical method method, Molecular Beam Epitaxy with the desired morphology and the active sites have to be made free, cleaned. . Not the case of partially damaged sites. There are many physical and chemical processes of making nanoNI- perhaps Rossi has found a better one. Vacuum mills is an excellent idea in principle- how high a vacuum can be achieved and maintained? Alloys opens a new dimension, it is possible some will work better even than Ni- but only experiment can say. Re Cleaning I give you an example from my practice. Some acrylic monomers are extremely sensible to the presence of Sulphur compunds, even under 1 ppm. To determine analytically S is an ordeal. The engineers add a spoon of copper salt to the batch and S is fixed, harmless. Radical solution. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: Peter, The repeated cleaning cycles used by Piantelli seems like a limited method of partially salvaging damaged sites. I would suggest instead to mill the powder inside a vacuum chamber where even the small amount of ambient gases left from the original ore can outgas while the geometry is being reduced. Much smaller geometry should be achieved in vacuum without heating of the metal from the reacting gases. The obvious difficulty is collecting the pristine millings while still under vacuum and alloying them by spin melt or sputtering with the inner reac tor wall surface. Perhaps the external cooling system should be already running and kept running to keep the smallest geometry of the forming alloys from collapsing due to the stiction forces? I don’t think pristine nano powder should require pressure loading of hydrogen and could even operate with the powder still under partial vacuum. Fran From: Peter Gl uck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future Yessir! have discussed this with Brian. I have concluded long time ago that CF is not reproducible because the active sites are covered with other gases from air (as polar as worse) that destroy their activity. For Ni-H I know how does the Piantelli Cell work, a lot is in his 2 patents WO1995/20816 and especially, WO 2010/58288 please see how drastically- high vacuum, high temperature, many cycles is nanoNi cleaned. Piantelli says the presence of foreign(not hydrogen) gas molecules inhibits the process. We don't know much about what is Rossi doing, is his system more tolerant to air and its impurities. Strem menos has told in one of his interviews how it was discovered that the system (which?) works only after deep degassing. I believe that clean metal surface- is a sine qua non condition for a working material/setup. This is a simple, cut-the-Gordian-Knot type idea. If it works, OK if not you can test all those conditions and ideas you describe, that are based on bright theories.Peter On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Chlorine Gas, Sodium electrical attraction to collect molecules
The powder is introduce to the chamber after inert gas is evacuated from it. I chose oxygen, but really, Chlorine Gas would be better, it could be reacted with sodium. It might be necessary to electrically attract the remaining Chlorine since it might be two dispersed to react out very fast, even with sodium nano particles. Actually, water is the hardest thing to get rid of, glass absorbs unbelievable quantities of it. I don't know if they ever solved the problem, but that was what Langmuir was working on about the time he made his anomalous heat discovery. Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:48:10 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:OxyVac? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Scott,Why oxygen over an inert gas? I would fear the oxygen would either form oxides with the nickel or alloy surfaces which would then short out the Casimir geometry, Or start disassociating and then reforming molecular O2 rapidly due to changes in the smallest Casimir geometry which would then create hot spots that melt closed or grow whiskers across the most active sites.Fran From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:OxyVac? I have wondered why a better vacuum might be made by filling it with oxygen, pumping it out, then chemically trapping the rest of the oxygen. --Not saying its a good idea, but does anyone care to comment?Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:42:15 +0300 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Dear Fran, We are thinking differently. In this case Piantelli obtains his nanoNi by a physical method method, Molecular Beam Epitaxy with the desired morphology and the active sites have to be made free, cleaned. . Not the case of partially damaged sites. There are many physical and chemical processes of making nanoNI- perhaps Rossi has found a better one. Vacuum mills is an excellent idea in principle- how high a vacuum can be achieved and maintained? Alloys opens a new dimension, it is possible some will work better even than Ni- but only experiment can say. Re Cleaning I give you an example from my practice. Some acrylic monomers are extremely sensible to the presence of Sulphur compunds, even under 1 ppm. To determine analytically S is an ordeal. The engineers add a spoon of copper salt to the batch and S is fixed, harmless. Radical solution. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:Peter,The repeated cleaning cycles used by Piantelli seems like a limited method of partially salvaging damaged sites. I would suggest instead to mill the powder inside a vacuum chamber where even the small amount of ambient gases left from the original ore can outgas while the geometry is being reduced. Much smaller geometry should be achieved in vacuum without heating of the metal from the reacting gases. The obvious difficulty is collecting the pristine millings while still under vacuum and alloying them by spin melt or sputtering with the inner reac tor wall surface. Perhaps the external cooling system should be already running and kept running to keep the smallest geometry of the forming alloys from collapsing due to the stiction forces? I don’t think pristine nano powder should require pressure loading of hydrogen and could even operate with the powder still under partial vacuum. Fran From: Peter Gl uck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future Yessir! have discussed this with Brian. I have concluded long time ago that CF is not reproducible because the active sites are covered with other gases from air (as polar as worse) that destroy their activity. For Ni-H I know how does the Piantelli Cell work, a lot is in his 2 patents WO1995/20816 and especially, WO 2010/58288 please see how drastically- high vacuum, high temperature, many cycles is nanoNi cleaned. Piantelli says the presence of foreign(not hydrogen) gas molecules inhibits the process. We don't know much about what is Rossi doing, is his system more tolerant to air and its impurities. Strem menos has told in one of his interviews how it was discovered that the system (which?) works only after deep degassing. I believe that clean metal sur face- is a sine qua non condition for a working material/setup. This is a simple,cut-the-Gordian-Knot type idea. If it works, OK if not you can test all those conditions and ideas you describe, that are based on bright theories.Peter On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Liq N2 Milling the best
Milling just about anything goes much better in liq N2. They even crush car tires to dust!!! Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:48:10 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:OxyVac? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Scott,Why oxygen over an inert gas? I would fear the oxygen would either form oxides with the nickel or alloy surfaces which would then short out the Casimir geometry, Or start disassociating and then reforming molecular O2 rapidly due to changes in the smallest Casimir geometry which would then create hot spots that melt closed or grow whiskers across the most active sites.Fran From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 2:59 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:OxyVac? I have wondered why a better vacuum might be made by filling it with oxygen, pumping it out, then chemically trapping the rest of the oxygen. --Not saying its a good idea, but does anyone care to comment?Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 21:42:15 +0300 Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Dear Fran, We are thinking differently. In this case Piantelli obtains his nanoNi by a physical method method, Molecular Beam Epitaxy with the desired morphology and the active sites have to be made free, cleaned. . Not the case of partially damaged sites. There are many physical and chemical processes of making nanoNI- perhaps Rossi has found a better one. Vacuum mills is an excellent idea in principle- how high a vacuum can be achieved and maintained? Alloys opens a new dimension, it is possible some will work better even than Ni- but only experiment can say. Re Cleaning I give you an example from my practice. Some acrylic monomers are extremely sensible to the presence of Sulphur compunds, even under 1 ppm. To determine analytically S is an ordeal. The engineers add a spoon of copper salt to the batch and S is fixed, harmless. Radical solution. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote:Peter,The repeated cleaning cycles used by Piantelli seems like a limited method of partially salvaging damaged sites. I would suggest instead to mill the powder inside a vacuum chamber where even the small amount of ambient gases left from the original ore can outgas while the geometry is being reduced. Much smaller geometry should be achieved in vacuum without heating of the metal from the reacting gases. The obvious difficulty is collecting the pristine millings while still under vacuum and alloying them by spin melt or sputtering with the inner reac tor wall surface. Perhaps the external cooling system should be already running and kept running to keep the smallest geometry of the forming alloys from collapsing due to the stiction forces? I don’t think pristine nano powder should require pressure loading of hydrogen and could even operate with the powder still under partial vacuum. Fran From: Peter Gl uck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:18 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Ahern in Next Big Future Yessir! have discussed this with Brian. I have concluded long time ago that CF is not reproducible because the active sites are covered with other gases from air (as polar as worse) that destroy their activity. For Ni-H I know how does the Piantelli Cell work, a lot is in his 2 patents WO1995/20816 and especially, WO 2010/58288 please see how drastically- high vacuum, high temperature, many cycles is nanoNi cleaned. Piantelli says the presence of foreign(not hydrogen) gas molecules inhibits the process. We don't know much about what is Rossi doing, is his system more tolerant to air and its impurities. Strem menos has told in one of his interviews how it was discovered that the system (which?) works only after deep degassing. I believe that clean metal sur face- is a sine qua non condition for a working material/setup. This is a simple,cut-the-Gordian-Knot type idea. If it works, OK if not you can test all those conditions and ideas you describe, that are based on bright theories.Peter On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:An equal and perpendicular reaction! EM Oscillation
I realize that this is routinely trivialized, rationalized away and ignored; nonetheless, those who do so are merely dancing around the real question here! Why are em fields perpendicular (when one is inducing the other, purely speaking?) This is a fascinating question, especially because these two fields are perhaps the only things in nature wherein a force in one direction causes an An equal and perpendicular reaction! The other mystery about all of this is that this question probably holds the secret to the underlying nature of a photon: why does this oscillating em field traverse space at the speed of light, and without the dispersion of individual photons. Even if you hold that the waveform travels ahead of the particle aspect of the photon, this is just a superpositional state of possible outcomes, but all of those outcomes still result in a single particle aspect traversing one path, and arriving as one particle. Scott
[Vo]:All energy is or was free!
How is (home-based) Solar Energy not free??? The real question is whether it shall remain so: Some of us are already paying for the water we pump out of our own land, (and put back via the drainfield in our septic system which recycles the water so that it does not even pollute the nearby well.) If Solar Energy were more efficient, they would probably be taxing it! All energy is or was free! (until someone took it away from the rest of us, imposed contrived shortages, and started charging based on their control of a commodity and not on the basis of resource extraction, processing and distribution cost plus a reasonable profit based on genuine competition between vendors. ZPE is no different, in principle than Solar. They are both potentially useful forms of electromagnetic radiation. (I'm working on it!) Scott From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]: Free EM energy from the Vacuum Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:06:45 -0700 How can this be described as free energy? Is it anything more than an efficient photocell…? From: MJ Interesting research! Here is a link to UC Davis where a related paper can be had for free: http://leopard.physics.ucdavis.edu/rts/p298/Schaller.pdf
[Vo]:Rossi beat all the scientists because . . .
How Engineer Rossi May be Beating the Scientists Most so-called scientists are advanced technicians. Even the more creative ones tend to find a way forward using logic. Logic is a good partner, but a bad master. Logic locks you into your box, the box that contains everything you have already pre-nominated as relevant. To think outside the box, you must whimsically entertain ideas you have already rejected as irrelevant. Playing around with nonsense takes you down roads you wouldn't have traveled and the wrong ideas lead to the right ideas, whereas starting with what you already know is right will tend to lead you in circles of endless, repetitive re-iterations. It is like the difference between a technical artist that can produce a veritable (and useless) photograph, whereas a real artist watches all sorts of unexpected effects pour out of his pencil or brush. Engineers, and especially fabricators, are less paralyzed by what they know and less blinded by what they see. Scott From: zeropo...@charter.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Why did the engineer Rossi beat all the scientists? WAS: Rossi bets the farm on Ni62? Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:08:17 -0700 I renamed this thread cuz I'd like to hear opinions as to WHY an engineer succeeded where ALL the scientists failed in optimizing the excess heat and controllability of whatever this reaction is??? In our conversation about Mills/BLP, Peter wrote: His theory is OK, verified by experiment. But an 'engineer' (i.e., someone not real knowledgeable about theoretical foundations) optimized the excess heat effect and controllability of the reaction in only a few years and with very little money compared to BLP (20 years and $60M)... So either Mills' theory has serious errors or holes, or they have incompetent scientists/engineering managers who are making bad decisions as to what tests/experiments to do, thus wasting alot of time and not achieving true UNDERSTANDING of what variables affect the reaction. If Mills' theories were accurate, then optimizing/manipulating the reaction mechanisms would have happened by now... and they would have beat Rossi to the market. What's more likely is that the conclusions that come out of Mills' theories have caused them to go down numerous 'dead-ends'... and Mills' ego refuses to acknowledge that his theory needs some serious revisions. -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi bets the farm on Ni62? The reason is, in my opinion, that is very difficult to achieve a CONTINUOUS generation of energy- see my paper http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/04/questions-preparing-swot-analysis-of-ni.html what conditions are necessary for a new source of energy. But I think this year (good for new energy, it seems) Randy will be on the market with his CIHT technology. His theory is OK, verified by experiment. Technology is more difficult than scientific experiments. Peter On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I would wager that the reason Mills hasn't got a commercial device, after 20 years and $60M, is because his theory is flawed... -Mark From: Peter Gluck [mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:46 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Rossi bets the farm on Ni62? Perhaps the best person to discuss your hydrino ideas is Randy Mills himself. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Rossi may be birthing unrelated speculation . . .
Just the discussion of a fairly-hidden technology could have us unwittingly inventing something entirely new. From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:asking my friends Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 09:29:22 -0700 -Original Message- From: Terry to Peter: What an eclectic collection! Did you compile them yourself or were some recommended to you? I got sidetracked at the start ... which brought into focus the paradigm shift of group mind - in the context of the power of the internet to instantly disseminate arcane or neglected information. The “instant meme” so to speak. Informavores United. Much has been written on this megatrend in the press, and in magazines like Wired, some of it to the point of seeming hyperbole - but in truth the significance of group-mind as an emergent property of the Web could be even more important to society than what we have been told, so far. In the context of the Rossi demo, for instance - which was essentially unannounced except in Italy (remember?) - this would have been almost a non-event which even a decade ago was ignored if not belittled, due to the negative propaganda of PF in 1989 - which itself was only able to be countered by efforts on the internet by a small cadre of believers against the mainstream of physics and science in general – the pathological skeptics. The immensity of this paradigm shift in group-mind is that even though 98% of the World has not yet caught onto what is happening in this field - we could be witnessing the overwhelming demonstration of the www to not only amplify minor events, but to go beyond the story itself and fundamentally change society via the instant meme - due the wealth of follow-on insight and understanding - much of it coming from people who have not even followed LENR, up to now. Depending on how developments unfold in the next few weeks, or even tomorrow, it could be obvious that Rossi has opened a Pandora's box of grand possibilities which are already completely beyond his, or anyone else's control. Rossi could disappear today, but the momentum which has been put into place by the web coverage and the instant meme - will guaranteed eventual success. Even if the Mills’ CIHT comes out soon and relegates E-Cat to a back table, Rossi will most likely be the name associated with Ni-H phenomena from now on. In the context of NASA, this could be the ‘real’ start of humanity's outward move to the stars - as important if not more so, in the big-picture, than Apollo 11. Even the pundits who realize that almost everything negative including trillions of lost wealth ... which has happened in the last 30 years (to the USA at least) goes back to oil, war for oil, OPEC, greed of Big Oil, climate change and so on – yet - these observers may not realize how a simple energy invention can change that dynamic, completely reverse the negative in a very short time - and that the process may be essentially unstoppable now (or, at least as soon as the ‘tipping point’ is reached … essentially ‘any day now’). Jones
[Vo]:One-man Stonehenge
When the first European explorers asked how the huge stone on Easter Island were moved, they were told that they walked there; I, for one, believe this is the case. There are stories of large stones being made to float above the ground. I ran across a website where a man was casting large stones for his life-sized Stonehenge; true to tradition, after casting them on one side of his property, moved and erected them, on the other size of the property. (Not a real big piece of ground.) by himself without any modern pulleys or levers of any kind. Underneath each block, on either side of the balance point he inserted a knob and then a second knob. (I'm not sure what he used, but a trailer hitch knob would help us visualize.) He could effortlessly tilt the enormous blocks in any direction. He would swing the block around so that one knob was in front of the other, then he would pivot on the knob in front until the other knob swung around to the front and so-on. He raised the upright stones by walking them out over a pit until he could rotating one end up above the pit while the other end rotated down into the pit; again, this could be done by one person with amazingly little effort. Finally, he could raise the lintels onto to the posts by tilting and inserting blocks alternately under each knob, with stack of blocks at the two ends to make certain that the stone never tipped too far. I think these stones, which Fran mentioned, would be better pivot points than ball bearings. Maybe the only difference between the two kinds is some got used, which smoothed them down to a smaller size. Scott ate: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:09:08 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:WOT stonehenge ball bearings to move bluestones Hi,Just saw a PBS documentary of students from Exeter moving weights at Stonehenge to test radical theory - Experts hit on the new idea after examining mysterious stone balls found near Stonehenge-like monuments in Aberdeenshire, Scotland About the size of a cricket ball, they are precisely fashioned to be within a millimetre of the same size. This suggests they were meant to be used together in some way rather than individually. There were two types of balls found where one was almost a perfect sphere which they concentrated on in this theory and the second type appeared similar but with about a dozen large bumps spaced evenly over the surface which they ignored totally.In the video they made a pair of lumber tracks with a cut out hollow so the balls could roll and placed the balls evenly with a platform then laid across the balls and their test weights stacked on the platform. They were able to move about 4 ton with just a handful of students but the soft wood was being crushed by the stones and had to be reinforced with harder wood. My question is regarding the “other “ stones mentioned but then ignored in the video – I find it hard to believe the similar scale was just a coincidence and I would like to know if Neolithic man could have used animal fat and these “other” balls to create a hip l ike joint or multiple hip like joints with a “nest” of these “other” balls imbedded into logs or otherwise contained such that the smooth balls would seat partially into the nest and be able to spin on the animal fat caught between the bottom half of the smooth ball and the round bumps of the “other” type balls in which the smooth ball is seated - like a hip joint but with fewer points of contact. Fran
[Vo]:Slow Neutrons
If we are confining protons in the metal lattice where they encounter thermal electrons which move relatively slow, and it these thermal electrons combine with the proton, then voila! Perhaps we then have slow neutrons drifting through the Coulomb Barrier.
[Vo]:Energy REMOVALl causes e+P fusion.
Bohr orbit. It takes energy -- a lot of energy, apparently, -- to bring an electron and a proton into close proximity. Actually it takes the removal of lots of energy to bring an electron and proton together. it is only orbital energy that can maintain their separation; this is its energy of fusion.
[Vo]:Relativistic Casimir Cavities
The Casimir Effect is often explained by the example of two grounded, metal plates that are separated by a very small distance, usually, 100 to a 1000 nm separation. Small frequencies of the electromagnetic quantum flux of the Quantum Vacuum or Zero-Point Energy field exist both inside the cavity between the two plates as well as outside of the cavity. Therefore, these small waves exert the same amount of radiation pressure on both sides of each plate; however, the em waves that do not fit inside the cavity without grounding out on the plates do not exert radiation pressure inside the cavity; therefore, we are left with a net radiation pressure of the larger waves outside of the cavity that act only on the outside of the cavity, pushing the one-moveable plate toward the other. Other interpretations include such things as explaining Van de Waals forces in terms of London Force, but on a larger distance scale, then explaining Casimir Forces in terms of adjusting the Van de Waals Theory (which is already quite a stretch) to explain the yet larger distances in the Casimir Experiment. A third explanation says that the Quantum Vacuum becomes polarize, the virtual photons acting perpendicular to the two plates. Francis and I are investigating a fourth explanation that is a sort of Inverse Relativity wherein, due to Lorentz Invariance, we believe that the same wavelengths exist and outside the cavity (as do some of the Vacuum-Polarization People) but that these frequencies are somehow blue shifted so as to fit inside the cavity. But this seems odd to Francis and I if one doesn't also account for relativistic contraction or dilation of motion along the local time axis; in other words, the shortened oscillations of these photons force some of their oscillation motion to be expressed in their motion along the time axis. (We do not think in terms of time passing, rather we think in terms of different object moving through time-space at different rates, even though spatially they are right next to each other, but one object is in the cavity and one is outside the cavity. We predicted , for example, that radioactive gases would decay slower or faster, according to various possible conditions inside of cavities made of different material. This has been experimentally confirmed, independent of us, and without a know connection to our Relativistic Cavity Theory. Light can traverse these cavities seemingly in excess of c, but we argue instead, that the speed of light is the same inside the cavity, but travel along the time axis is accelerated. Several Patent by Haisch discuss the possibility of cycling a gas into and out of nano-spongeous array. When the orbitals contract, heat is given off. They call this the hydrino theory and seemingly can be bothered with considering the Relativistic possibilities. We further believe that this may be part or all of the Anomalous Heat Phenomenon aka LENR, or Cold Fusion. One of my more recent posts discusses this from the standpoint of certain Van de Graaf generator phenomena of like-charge clustering and Literal-Spin. ScottWm. Scott SmithHome 509 326 1307 Work 509 315 1194 Experiments have shown that From: j...@tao.org.uk Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 17:47:47 +0100 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Casimir Cavities. Ok, I'm game. What is a Casimir Cavity? I'm sure it's been explained here already, but probably in the middle of one of the amply populated threads. I know the smallest part the theory of the Casimir effect. Is this related? Is there a paper with a worked through example on Casimir Cavities that I can consider to help me understand what's being discussed here? Joe
[Vo]:Cryo-milling w/ liq N2
One might get really good results chilling the nickel down with liq N2. Brittle things grind better. They even grind tires and plastic this way. Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:50:06 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:cheap ball mill / glove box alternative to Bell jar? To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Jones,Ok that may apply to the major surface area and a vacuum may be necessary to degass but Stremmenos’ point about absorbing an enormous quantity of hydrogen after heat + vacuum purifying his powder suggests that the nano pores and defects of his micro particles as delivered remain oxidized. Perhaps we are describing “clean” at 2 different scales and again tripping over the difference between normal surface area / volume between particles and the more extreme Casimir geometry where I posit the relativistic volume is magnitudes larger than the spatial volume appears from our perspective …… MAYBE Rossi’s secret ingredient is a chemical that enhances the Casimir effect by either cleaning or backfilling the existing cavities such that more hydrogen is translated to extreme fractional values up to 1/137.RegardsFran [snip] Anyhow, this is very important, because I observed it and then told Sergio. If we degassed (nickel powder, at this point) at an extremely low pressure, i.e.. 10-6, which is one-millionth of atmospheric pressure, for one week at a temperature of 500° [Celsius], so that all the oxides on the surface of the micro-particles of nickel were eliminated (this means all of the oxides that have formed, because we are surrounded by an oxygen atmosphere) ... well, upon charging it, it sucked up, how can I put it, an enormous quantity of hydrogen (I was using hydrogen). And the temperature, which had been 500°, began to rise considerably, and got higher and higher, over the 1000° mark. I got scared, and shut everything down [laughs], because, I said to myself, “This is going to blow up”! The temperature went up very fast. Probably there was chemical reaction too ... specifically, hydrides were being formed, which are... I didn’t have the patience to wait until it reached a steady level, but the previous experiments which … as far as exothermic emission from nickel is concerned … this excess [of heat] went on even for six months, so it did … but it wasn’t absorbing all that much hydrogen ... so I understood that the trick was purifying the nickel as much as possible... Talking out all the gases it absorbs … plus the oxides formed on the surface of the nickel micro-particles.[/snip] From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 11:33 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:cheap ball mill / glove box alternative to Bell jar? You do not need to flush the ball mill with helium. Nickel resists oxidation at ambient very well, and any surface oxide remaining will be reduced on the first contact with hydrogen. If this is un-activated Raney-type nickel you are milling, of course you know to activate after ball milling, NOT before. From: Roarty, Francis X Would ball milling nickel in a glove box of helium produce a similar oxygen free powder without the need for a bell jar to out gas?
[Vo]:Confined Protonium close proximity to free and valence ellectrons
Confined Proton close proximity to free electrons in the lattice-but they can establish orbitals as the electrons are sucked into the space between the protons. Should we call it a new state of matter---Protonium??? These neutrons are moving very minimally not like the neutrons from other nuclear reactions, fusion or fission. There is another case where like charges are clustered together: The Sphere on a Van de Graaf Generator accumulates electrons on the outside surface. Usually people argue that they are spreading out as much as possible to get away from each other, but that simply is not true. Yes they are retreating as far as possible from the charges on the opposite outer surface of the sphere; however, they crowd next to each other on the very surface whereas one should expect them to distribute themselves on the inside of the sphere as well as the outside of the sphere; instead, they would all rather crowd together on the surface! I realize that particles are modeled as having spin but there is some thought that this is not physically real. This however would be caused by a literal spin causing the like charges to magnetically attract each other. (Draw a bunch of clockwise circling arrows adjacent sides are moving in opposite directions causing them to attract each other, just as parallel wires are attracted to each other if an electrical current travels through them in opposite directions. In other words, we might want to model shells of spinning protons being driven outward by magnetic repulsion (since all rotating protons in the shell have like-magnetic poles (S-S) or (N-N) on opposite sides of the sphere, causing it to forcefully expand into the lattice where the relatively stationary protons can assimilate electrons in the confinement of the lattice.. Perhaps Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From all experimental indications, I agree that this multi proton fusion is what makes the Rossi reactor and go. To put some conceptual meat on this bone, at least 60 some odd protons and maybe many more are packed into a small (sub nanometer?) hole in the lattice of nickel. These protons are comprised of two ups quarks and a down quark. There is no anti matter clustering (allowed?) inside the hydrogen nucleus. Some trigger event happens to this collection of protons that convert some substantial fraction of these many protons to neutrons comprised of one up quark and two down quarks. Some ultra low energy based factor in nature can transform up and down quarks into each other are beyond the pale of today’s physics. Even thinking that this mechanism of transmutation is even possible is a burning offence at CERN. Is it even too extreme for Vortex? On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Add multibody H reaction; not H+H but H+H+H+H . . . Not sure how many times. - Jed
[Vo]:RE:The APPEARANCE of In your face type attitude
When we say Cold Fusion they are almost justified in assuming that it should work the same way as hot fusion. We will get much further with more people if we emphasize that something is new and different, and can THEY explain THAT. If we get them thinking enough to come up with something---anything as an explanation, then we have gotten past their knee-jerk response to the appearance that we are claiming that it is identical to hot fusion. (Casimirically Relativistically-speaking, they really might be identical.) But the point is to engage them in a discussion, not to cram our interpretations down their throats with an In your face! kind of rhetoric--whether or not this attitude is real on our part, this is what many of them are perceiving. Nothing shuts down the rational part of people's mind faster that making them feel slighted, relationally speaking! Scott Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 00:31:17 -0700 From: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Non-Chemical Heat Phenomenon Label more neutral. To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I like the term cold fusion better. The skeptics have been challenging cold fusion for decades. We need to shove cold fusion in their face. From: Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, May 1, 2011 6:18:00 PM Subject: [Vo]:Non-Chemical Heat Phenomenon Label more neutral. The Label: Non-Chemical Heat Phenomenon is more neutral than LENR. Assuming that this is some kind of fusion is like when people presume that the Sun is Fusion, just because they cannot imagine any other sufficiently great source of energy, but as far as we know, the Second Law might actually be correct, meaning that the Hot Corona (millions of degrees) heats the Cold Sun (Mere thousands of degrees. Embracing genuine ignorance is far better than drinking the strong drink of delusion!!! Scott
[Vo]:We have a theory: Relativistic Casimir Cavities!
We have a theory: Relativistic Casimir Cavities! Re-Read the many posts by Fran Roarty and me. This potentially explains transmutation and heat production. Look at the patents by Modell and Haisch where they propose circulating a gas through Casimir Cavities. Scott Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:13:20 -0400 From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis. Let us exercise some common sense in terms of dimensional analysis. As revealed on the Rossi web site as follows: Dear Mr Mauro Rossi: 1- we consume about 1 gram of hydrogen in 24 hours 2- I never saw neutrons and neutrinos, with exception of few times, when I saw neutrons, captured in bubble columns, but for a very particular experiment I made by myself, being very dangerous. 3- No, I didn’t. Warm regards, A.R. One gram of hydrogen per day is a HUGE amount of hydrogen inputted into a closed system and consumed. Where could it all be going? If one hydrogen atom transmutes 1 nickel atom into copper that means about 64 grams of copper would be transmuted every day. Since we know that there is only 100 grams of nickel used in the Cat-E, the theory that nickel fusion with hydrogen just does not add up. There are about 30 some odd elements transmuted in addition to copper present in the Cat-E ash. Where did they come from and how are they formed? The theory that Rossi puts forward on what happens atomically in the Cat-E just does not make sense. If the Cat-E can run for 6 months without shutdown, then about 180 grams of hydrogen enter the Cat-E. Where does it all go? If the Cat-E can run for two years without shutdown, about 730 grams of hydrogen enter the Cat-E. Where does it all go? Constrained by common sense, does anyone have a theory that can deal with these facts that have been revealed by Rossi. Wouldn’t the gas pressure rise in the reaction vessel over time if all that hydrogen was fed into the Cat-E?
[Vo]:Jed's Terminology Point is very valid but . . .
Jed's Terminology Point is very valid: Old words become new terms and have done so for millennia; I am not making a technical point, I am simply saying that better terminologies would help us avoid unnecessary misunderstanding and ridicule and to avoid causing others to stumble. Furthermore, LENR still implies that this is a nuclear process in some traditional sense. As with the Sun, we assume that it is a nuclear process because we assume it is something we are already familiar with and because most of us have never imagined anything more powerful than nuclear processes. ZPE is just beginning to be seriously considered by mainstream science. As I said, the only reasonably certain thing about any of this is the seemingly non-chemical heat production. Scott Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:07:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE:The APPEARANCE of In your face type attitude From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com wrote: When we say Cold Fusion they are almost justified in assuming that it should work the same way as hot fusion. No one picked the name cold fusion. It just came along. FP did not like it. Researchers have often gather to pick another name, such as LENR. See p. iv here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/NagelDJproceeding.pdf People who assume that cold fusion should work the same way as hot fusion know nothing about the subject. Changing the name will not reduce their ignorance. It does not matter what you call something in any case. Many words are technically inaccurate, such as meteorology. Weather is not caused by meteors, but we still call it that. You can make the case that nearly all words in all languages are derived from something that lags one meaning behind the present meaning, so they are never accurate. For example, we call a collection of files on a computer a folder. This is derived from a manila folder used in a physical file drawer. When my daughter at age 12 first saw one she said, ah, so that's what the icon thing is. The file drawer folder, in turn, is derived from the word fold which is what you do to the stiff manila paper; you fold it in the middle. This is from the Old English falden, which may mean plait, or twine. Words lag and never quite accurate because we usually use old words to describe new things. On rare occasions we make up a brand-new word such as telephone, or byte. Other newly coined words usually derive indirectly from some older word, sometimes something whimsical. The nuclear science word barn derives from a barn, meaning storage shed, from the saying, you couldn't hit the side of a barn. Nearly all words, going back thousands of years, are derived from other, even older words. Often the original meaning is lost, or obscure. Sometimes the derivation is apparent when you stop and think about it, with a word such as understand which implies shoring up something, or putting a base under it. This is not much help for people learning English because other languages have different metaphors for the same idea. In Japanese understand is wakaru which derives from cutting or breaking down something. It means analyzing it by dissection as it were, somewhat the opposite of shoring it up. Knowing word origins is fun but it seldom helps us understand what the words actually mean. That can only be learned by context. The meanings of all words constantly evolve and change, although often at a pace too slow to observe in a lifetime. Language along with all products of biology must evolve. It is never precisely the same in two different individual members of a species, or in one member at two points in time. It is, quite literally, as unique as our fingerprints or our DNA, or the body shape of gall wasps. Alfred Kinsey recognized and categorized hundreds of thousands of variations in this, and saw no two gall wasps alike, because there are no two alike, and never will be. Nature recognizes no average, mean, or ideal body type -- such concepts have no meaning in biology. The recognition of this fact, and the ramifications of it, were central to Kinsey's later work in human sexuality, and the importance of this concept is second only to Darwin's theories, in my opinion. - Jed
[Vo]:Focusing on Excess Heat Prevents Red Herrings
Yes, we should discuss the likelihood that some kind of Fusion is taking place; nonetheless, from a rhetorical standpoint, a label should put forth the most striking, least-deniable aspect. Arguing about whether fusion is possible in such a context is foolish until we first focus on why we are sure that there is excess heat. If we are to open many closed minds, we ourselves should start with more wisdom-humility (not shame-humility) and try to reach a level of agreement, that something totally unanticipated could be going on, but the excess heat is undeniable. In other words, it is just bad strategy to try to convince them what the cause is, when we who believe this do not even agree. Scott Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 23:27:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Non-Chemical Heat Phenomenon Label more neutral. From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes there is fairly convincing evidence of tritium and helium production, however the evidence that they are produced in same ratio as plasma fusion is really meager. Tritium is far from the same ratio. Millions of times off, and inconsistent. Only the helium is in approximately the same ratio. Some say the evidence for this is meager, others say it is strong. My point is that people in the latter group should go ahead and call it fusion. If you want to give it some other name, feel free. The name is not important. But I think it is somewhat important that you not insist we are ignorant, and you not demand that others agree with that. People who have concluded it is have thought about this carefully, and they have a right to their opinions. Discussion of this topic veers into lunacy when Krivit insists that not only is cold fusion not fusion, but McKubre and others who believe it is have published fake data and are involved in a weird vendetta to enforce this point of view. McKubre does not care one tiny bit whether other scientists think it is fusion or not, or whether they believe his helium results. They can take those results or leave them. There is no reason for him to publish falsified data. If he cared about other people's opinions he would never be working in the most controversial field in the history of modern science! - Jed
[Vo]:Re-Read: Fran's Clearest Best Documented Statement
ScottWm. Scott Smith Re-Read: Fran's Clearest Best Documented Statement: I don’t think exotic nuclear reactions are behind the missing Gamma radiation but rather our understanding of catalytic action and the theory of Casimir effect. Presently we assume the vacuum fluctuations in Casimir effect are “upshifted” such that longer wavelengths can not exist between Casimir boundaries and the total energy density is therefore reduced. I am proposing a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect where the longer wavelengs still exist and the boundaries appear to shrink away into the distance for a local observer in the cavity. This is based on the paper “Cavity QED” by Zofia Bialynicka-Birula, another paper on Relativistic hydrogen by Jan Naudts and “The Light Velocity Casimir Effect” by Tom Ostoma and Mike Trushyk where the measured velocity of light “appears” to increase due to Casimir geometry. My point is time dilation better explains the seeming increase in C calculated by entry and exity of light thru a cavity, it also gives an alternate explanation of “fractional” hydrogen orbits in this environment as a relativistic effect unseen by the local observer inside the cavity AND it would explain the missing radiation as not only “DOWNshifted” but also attenuation since the “contraction” we observe remotely is actually spatial displacement locally. We are trained to think of relativistic effects as requiring near luminal velocity to INCREASE vacuum energy density before dilation can occur but it would appear that Casimir supression can REDUCE vacuum energy density by doing just the opposite – spatial confinement – de- celeration or even “negative” acceleration AND instead of slowing time from our perspective it accelerates it.http://froarty.scienceblog.com/32155/relativistic-interpertation-of-casimir-effect-expanded/My blog does not speak to the nuclear paths but I am convinced this relativistic interpretation and energy density pumping above and below the disassociation threshold for h2 provides the initiating environment that makes otherwise improbable nuclear reactions probable.See my blog “Gas property of constant motion disassociates h2 in opposition to changes in casimir force”. I think it makes a strong argument as an initial energy source for the Rossi patent consideration – where most patent offices treat this field like perpetual motion this approach cites the inexhaustible gas motion based on HUP as exploitable between inertial frames – something that excuses them from being unaware since this simply doesn’t occur at the macro scale except at a slow gravitational gradient – not to mention driving any rectifying device between different inertial frames would take more energy than we could hope to rectify at the macro scale. At the nano scale we have free motion of h1 and h2 courtesy of HUP and thermal energy, If we suddenly have the ability to travel between frames the removal of energy to the point of liquifying or solidifying gas is irrelevant because it can be restored thru time dilation.RegardsFran ·I I I
[Vo]:Apples Oranges Some part of many things in everything?
Doesn't everything have trace amount, at the very least, of many other things. Even assuming there really is Fusion Bi-Products, I don't see how they would be distinguishable from trace amounts of the same isotopes that are there, anyway. When I worked at Johnson Mathey, more than anything, we took metals that were already pure to one part in 10,000 and purified them to about one part in 100,000. A small number of things were pure to parts in a million. But this increase the value of the base metal MANY times, since only trace amounts were used in a given micro-circuit. This was many years ago, but I think my memory is reasonably close to the facts at that time. Comparing apples to oranges still gives us some information about fruit, in general: I seem to remember that the bi-products from Hiroshima and Nagasaki are though to have decreased in Mass on an order of only about a gram. My point is, one must postulate a really exotic form of fusion to explain so little heat for so much tranmuted by-products Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 12:43:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:How much nickel does the planet really have to play around with? From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com At this point, the amount and balance of the elements in the Rossi ash cannot be determined. IMHO, Rossi can’t tell how much nickel or hydrogen is used, consumed, or transmuted in his reactor because of the large amount of iron (and other undocumented elements) that are produced by erosion from the walls of the reaction vessel. To start out with, the Catalyst is initially afixed to the walls of the stainless steel reaction vessel. To remove the ash for analysis, the ash must be abraded away from the walls of the stainless steel vessel by a mechanical process. A reamer, sander, or some other cutting tool grinds the ash off the walls of the stainless steel reaction vessel. A large amount of iron, nickel, chromium, and other trace components of stainless steel are removed by the extraction process. There is no way to tell if nickel is even consumed by transmutation. The copper in the ash may well come from just hydrogen fusion only. Until a controlled study of how copper is formed in the Rossi process, nothing can be said about the consumption of nickel as a feed stock of the Rossi process. On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: However, there are much larger deposits called laterites which are lower grade, and seldom mined due to comparative cost. I do not know about nickel, but some types of ore are not mined because it takes a lot of energy to mine and separate the ore. With cold fusion, these ores could be mined in a cost effective manner. If this nickel ore can be extracted with lots of energy, then Rossi-style cold fusion energy overhead would be increased. It would be lower than the overhead for oil, which is reportedly 10% to 20%, depending on the type of oil and where it is extracted. - Jed
[Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why!
The US List of restricted items that are restricted for export, or even disclosing the details of manufacture includes Raney Nickel and similar substances. Fran I have long speculated that weak radioactive elements can be made to decay much faster with substance containing many Casimir Cavities. ---While we are on the subject, one could get the sort of heat they are talking about by accelerating the decay of isotopes that are are not even very radioactive, normally. For example Thorium is many times less radioactive than U235 or Plutonium. I think too many people know this stuff to keep the cat in the bag for very long. People like us are going to put all kinds of loose ends together even with minimal disclosure as we have seen.ScottWm. Scott Smith
[Vo]:Jones If an inventor had Tellurium----Who?????
Jones If an inventor had TelluriumWho? From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Restricted Munitions List Raney Nickel, Guess Why! Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 17:20:45 -0700 From: Wm. Scott Smith Ø While we are on the subject, one could get the sort of heat they are talking about by accelerating the decay of isotopes that are not even very radioactive, normally. For example Thorium is many times less radioactive than U235 or Plutonium… Yes indeed. And were you aware that there are only four elements in the periodic table which are heavier (in a.m.u.) than the next element above them in the table? As you might imagine (even not knowing the identity of the four) this characteristic could be strongly indicative of some kind of nuclear instability, even if the are not strongly radioactive under normal conditions. The first three are quite well-known as the elements involved in nuclear fission: thorium, uranium and plutonium. Wow – with that kind of trifecta, one wonders how the fourth in this grouping could be somehow related? Is it as potentially active? Well, this fourth element is tellurium – element 52. It is best known in the compounds bismuth-telluride, used in thermoelectrics, or cadmium telluride in photovoltaics. It is extremely photoactive. It even has a fabulous little town in Colorado named after it. If an inventor were to be the among the leading experts in thermoelectric generators at one time, and had a large DoE contract for advanced TEG work - then it is to be expected that this person would have had a lot of the Bi-Te material, sitting around for other experiments, no? Jones
[Vo]:Google Translation of Italian Interview is very good.
Google Translation of Italian Interview is very good. http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/nuova-intervista-di-mr-kilowatt.html Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2011 20:23:25 +0200 From: shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Again on possible hints for Rossi's secret catalyst Hello group, In a recent interview in italian by Radio24, Francesco Celani mentioned that it is Yoshiaki Arata who first introduced in 2008 a few very important innovations in LENR research in order to increase Pd-D reactivity in a dry reactor cell (not using electrolysis). (for the record, a transcription in italian is available on 22passi blog: The first mentioned one is that he used for the first time micro- and nano-sized palladium powder. The smaller the powder gets, the higher is the reproducibility and the excess heat recorded. We already know that the nickel used in Rossi's E-Cat is possibly nanometer-sized. The second one is that palladium is deposited on a lattice of an inert compound, in order to prevent the aggregation of nano-particles, or in other words, to prevent globs of palladium which would reduce its total exposed surface area. Last week, Christos Stremmenos (old friend of Focardi who worked on Ni-H LENRs, and, most importantly, vice-president of Defkalion Green Technologies) was interviewed by another italian radio station (Radio Citta` del Capo). Again, an italian transcription of it is available on 22passi blog (a human translation in English will be soon posted there too). He mentioned that in his personal experiments on Ni-H reactions he used to remove oxides as much as possible from the nickel powder he used, by heating it in a vacuum during initial preparations. This supposedly boosts the hydrogen absorption. He also mentions that the more irregularly shaped nickel got, the more it reacted with hydrogen. So what do we know so far? - Focardi says that the secret compound MIGHT (probably does) promote atomic hydrogen adsorption by the nickel powder - Stremmenos says that oxides have to be eliminated as much as possible, to improve hydrogen absorption - Arata used nano-sized palladium powder bound with an inert element to prevent palladium aggregation. Recently he also used nickel very successfully in his experiments (found this on a presentation from ICCF15 on lenr-canr.org) Leaving theoretical explanations aside, in my opinion it is slowly turning out that powder preparation is essential for the huge excess heat shown by Rossi. Nickel nanoparticles have to be processed to maximize surface area relatively to their volume. They must not aggregate together, and oxides must not form on them. It's possible that during preparation, which might also involve heat and vacuum, nanoparticles are also magnetically charged to make them tend to repel each other. This property would limit the maximum temperature reached inside the reactor to a maximum of about 350 degrees, the nickel Curie temperature. Thinking about it, it would be diabolically clever by Rossi to suggest that temperatures of 450-500 degrees are used instead. Focardi in the past months (can't find a reference for this unfortunately), stated that Ni-H reactions inside their reactor start at about 60 degrees Celsius, suggesting lower operating temperatures. My conclusion is that following Arata's example (from whom Rossi might have got many ideas), there might be a ZrNi nanopowder. In Rossi's case it would be quite processed (yet this doesn't apparently increase costs much. Probably mass-production techniques and procedures help), oxygen free, magnetically charged, packed together with some other currently unknown compound promoting the formation of atomic hydrogen, maybe with heat (which would get minimally consumed, if at all, over 6 months of time). These are only my observations based on available information, though. I'm not an expert at all. Cheers, S.A.
[Vo]:ZPE Transmutation???
If that is true then no neutrons is the least of the problems---there is not enough heat to justify that much fusion. Could this be ZPE Transmutation??? Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 13:28:39 -0600 From: prot...@frii.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi Fusion Ashes would be trace amounts. As I recall it was supposed to be a lot like 30% Ni to Cu after 6 months. Ron --On Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:16 AM -0700 Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com wrote: Even without quantitative info on fusion ashes, are we talking small amounts or large? I say this because, a little fusion goes a really-long way!
[Vo]:A Simple Assessment of Rossi Credibility
We are missing the obvious: Rossi et al have enough investors to scale-up to marketable magnitudes of power, if what they say is true. At the end of the day, the market doesn't really care where you got the electricity that you are selling. People understand electricity. At least in the US, the Laws already require the power companies to purchase privately-produced power. Even if the power companies get around that. He can still make a great deal of money generating and selling power on-site to large consumers, electricity is the biggest expense in producing aluminum. Once he sells serious amounts of electricity, people will listen, you just can't fake MW of power. I really think he can eventually scale things and automate them to the point where everyone can have their own generator for vehicles and home-use. All he has to do to avoid infringement is to keep the price of the licenses cheaper than the litigation price of stealing it. He can always start cranking up the fees gradually as he becomes more and more financially able to fight infringers with ever deeper pockets. Personally, I was more impressed with the smaller units that lacked the lead; prior to that, I wondered if it was simply an isotope reactor. ScottWm. Scott Smith
[Vo]:I had thought E-Cat might be clandestine Fission
I was impressed by no lead, because we then knew there was no surreptitious fission going on; for example, radioactive isotopes, such as strontium. Isotope Reactors do not rely on chain reactions, like newly-spent nuclear fuel rods, it is the relatively short-lived isotopes that can produce much heat even in the absence of a chain reaction. Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:05:21 -0700 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From: a...@well.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Simple Assessment of Rossi Credibility At 10:58 AM 4/26/2011, Wm. Scott Smith wrote: Personally, I was more impressed with the smaller units that lacked the lead; prior to that, I wondered if it was simply an isotope reactor. They were just nekkid eCats ... they would be enclosed in lead underwear before being used.
[Vo]:Neg Energy and ZPE
Francis and I have discussed modeling virtual photons as oscillating on their time axis so that we only observe their forward-time motion. Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 18:23:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ontologies of heat From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com In the Bizarro world of negative energy beyond the zero point, negative energy is the same as positive energy in our three space. T
[Vo]:Gas Poisoning Unimportant if its Fusion But . . .
It shouldn't need to be continually fed new fuel. Once the Cathode is loaded there is enough fuel present to fuel it for many years at this small level of energy generation---this is part of why this cannot be fusion, but is likely to be ZPE as the time axes of atoms in the small cavities shrink, movement along these axes, which we usually call the passage of time---this movement through time space is accelerated and events in the cavity happen much faster. The biggest problem with the con-fusion hypothesis is also seen in the insanely high supposed-fusion byproducts. These are catalysts; the con-fusion is a smokescreen to steer us away from the true mechanism that really is producing anomalous heat. Wm. Scott Smithz-pec.yolasite.comScott Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 09:12:52 +0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why is calorimetry avoided in Rossi's experiments? From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com It was so much trouble with intensity because the cathodes - more precisely the NAE are poisoned with gases that do not allow to D or H to enter and react. It was also bad for reproducibility the systems were grosso modo unpredictable. One step forward two steps backwards. As regarding Energetics- do you know how many intense processes (batches) they had? I know about exp. 64. But even that had no continuity Yes, I also think Rossi's great advantage is gas loaded nanoparticles. But prior to that it is gas unloaded active sites- all the gaseous competitors of hydrogen are removed completely. I think this is a sine qua non condition for such a system to work. Ed Storms has dismissed repeatedly my gas poisoning hypothesis.What could I say? Not important! But what do the experiments say?Peter On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Calorimetry was a curse and a burden for Pd- D CF/LENR because much more money, creativity, patience, discusions was consumed for measuring small quantities of released heat instead of focussing on the intensification of the process. The results are known. I think Storms or McKubre would take exception to that. Not to speak for them, they have often said: 1. Scaling up Pd-D electrochemistry tends to scale up and amplify the noise as much as the signal. 2. You cannot intensify a process if you cannot even detect it. The main purpose of making sensitive calorimeters was to capture and then optimize tiny effects. The other purpose was to satisfy the skeptics, which was futile. 3. They did the best they could to intensify it, and succeeded to some extent. Techniques such as Energetics Technology produced much higher heat and a higher input to output ratio than older techniques; i.e. ~1 W input, ~20 W output. Bear in mind also that one of Rossi's key advantage's is the use of gas-loaded nanoparticles. This originated with Pd-D studies, by Arata. I do not know if Rossi was aware of Arata when he began working on this approach. Perhaps he only found out when he wrote the patent. Anyway, this was a major contribution from the Pd-D school of cold fusion. - Jed -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:The Best Way to Avoid Infringement
Concerning my ZPE inventions. I have been advised by an attorney that the best protection from infringement is to start by issuing inexpensive licenses that expire. Make it cheaper to pay for a license than for a lawsuit to try, perhaps unsuccessfully to steal it. These licenses can be renewed for ever-increasing amounts as resources build to more aggressively charge for licenses, because at that point you can out-litigate most comers and can settle, making special arrangements whenever there is danger of an adverse ruling. In this manner you can build preferable precedents. My only hesitation in taking this device is, ironically, it is better for the public to charge almost as much for the payments on the device as they are already paying for energyPlease listen!!! If they immediately have virtually free energy, but no new goods and services have been already developed, the economy will feel the extra money; this will cause inflation. In other words, people will simply take the money they were already spending on energy and have to spend that same-amount more on all the other things they are already buying. Instead, if they are making payments on their home generator. There is an end in sight---they will eventually have free energy. Meanwhile new goods and services will be created as the bulk of their payments is reinvested in creating entirely new products and services. They will get the money back almost immediately as the economy grows. My technology leads to inexpensive, rapid Space Travel, inexpensive mineral resources from Space. Oil producing nations can switch to industries that use now-cheap plastic. Plastic will become as cheap or cheaper than what we pay for petroleum now. One of my goals is to replace today's throwaway economy with truly durable goods to take the strain off of the environment. Automation is the next big advance. The energy money can help finance a way to make sure that everyone gains equity in the auto-fabricators since any remaining need for labor is completely outstripped by the supply. So many or most of us can work far less and have far more---even those in the third world. We can produce unlimited food, underground or in skyscrapers, now that the power is cheap. Check out my system to cut special interests completely out of politics. ScottWm. Scott Smithz-pec.yolasite.com Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 22:24:36 +0300 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Why we should continue studying other modes of cold fusion (in a few years) From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I am an engineer have 40 years practice in chemical industry and I was professor of Management of Technology for 3 years in a school of Ecomanagement for directors, managers. Therefore I am not ready to believe such an statement - why exactly 2.5 Kw and not 1.8 or 3.2? I am sure Rossi can manufacture even bonsai kittens (do you remember the hoax?) but this is not an essential question. I have a vivid empathy for Rossi , he has solved a vital problem at a really high level. He has lots of problems- development, patent with no connection with the prior art, secrecy, the danger of competion, the bad publicity of cold fusion,scale-up, lack of theory, denialism of new energy, the possibility of reverse engineering of his devices and so on.You have shown that his commercial development strategy is perhaps not optimal.I think it is my/our duty to help the technology and to understand the position of the man Rossi. peter On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:55 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: From practical reasons, Rossi does not manufacture generators smaller than 2.5 kW but I don't see any reasons they cannot be much smaller. I do not see any reason either, but a few days ago he said the minimum size is 2.5 kW. I do not think he meant it would be impractical; I gather he meant it is impossible. He probably has a reason for saying that. We will see whether that reason is valid or invalid. Rossi says many things which seem strange or baseless; i.e. without a reason. Many people have concluded that he does not really mean what he says; he is playing some sort of mind game; or a deception similar to what Ching-Wu Chu was accused of doing when he told people his formula had Yb (ytterbium) instead of Y (yttrium). I recommend you reserve judgement and not try to read his mind. I do not know why he says these things, and more to the point, I do not know whether these things are true or false. Nobody knows. It is likely they are mixture of true and false. Rossi has a highly original, bold, and idiosyncratic world view. He also has idiosyncratic ways of expressing himself. So does Arata. As I said, he often makes up strange new words to describe concepts that already have conventional words. Such people often discover new facts about nature that seem crazy to the rest of us. They also often make gigantic mistakes,
[Vo]:Haisch Modell Heat Rossi
Check out US Patent 7,379,286. It describes obtaining ZPE from cycling a gas in and out of Caimir Cavities. Again, if we discount all the nuclear wishful thinking, this at least explains the heat. The change in the Rossi Ni powder could come from the secret catylysts. This would in itself provide motive for falsely suggesting fusion by products to hide the catylysts.
RE: [Vo]:extending the Puthoff atomic model
Hi Francis! Could you e-mail me a copy or link to Hal's paper that you are referring to. Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:02:54 -0500 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:extending the Puthoff atomic model In off line collaboration and discussions with Scott Smith we are considering nuclei as consisting of very small subatomic cavities with high suppression (opposition to flux). It is still the Puthoff model but inverted such that the nucleus is pushed much harder than the orbitals which act like tethered balls behind the nucleus. the electrons find their ground state as an equilibrium point between their electrical attraction and this constant vacuum pressure differential. Some of our arguments made me think long and hard regarding the “relative” size/length of our VP/flux wavelength. The missing point in our extension of the Puthoff model may be this “suppression” at the atomic level. The VP can not “pass through” the nuclei in the Present AND they can not deviate around the nuclei on the spatial plane so they push the nuclei into a relativistic well. The vacuum flux wavelengths in this well would appear shorter from our perspective or you could also say the canvas which the nuclei is drawn upon becomes stretched such that it allows these wavelengths to push through on their perpendicular trajectory. Puthoff hinted at this ”pressure” being different for every element in the periodic table and suppression geometry as a tool toward vacuum engineering. I do agree the physical properties of elements in the periodic chart already reflect this opposition (pressure) to streaming VP but there also accumulates SOME random unbalanced momentum that is imparted to matter on the spatial plane. For the most part this pressure accumulates to push the nucleus into the past on the time axis while stretching the fabric of space into a micro well but In the case of free floating gas atoms any imbalance of these accumulating pressure points can lead to the random motion in gas or the alignment of hydrogen bonds in water (another potential source of ZPE). I think these imbalances cancel out quickly in solids and even in the cases where these forces persist into our macro scale you still need a Heisenburg trap or Maxwells demon to exploit them. In a circus arcade contest you shoot at a target with an air powered bb machine gun – the target is on a line so the operator can pull it forward to examine and replace the target. If he didn’t send it back into position and left it nearby you could use your gun to shoot it with such force that it would “push” the target away to some equilibrium point (think ground state). If you happen to randomly target one side more than the other you could accumulate a left or right force on the target- in a solid where all the targets are connected these random forces would probably cancel out but in a gas where the targets are free floating the random force can persist. If the targets were drawn on stretchable fabric and both the projectile and target were unbreakable then you could stretch the fabric and allow the projectiles to “push through” the fabric if you concentrated enough fire power “pressure” to stretch the fabric – from our stretched fabric perspective the projectiles would appear to get smaller (up convert) and squeeze through the nucleus. RegardsFran
[Vo]:The Limitations of Logic
The main thing I got out of DeBono was the limitations of logic. As a matter of routine, we generally start solving a problem with logic, (assuming that we are not jumping to premature conclusions.) and we should do so. Logic, when used, usually carries the day; however, with seemingly intractable problems, logic locks you into endlessly repeating iterations of already-known approaches. I have found great value in the technique of casting about for any and all conceivable approaches-no matter how ridiculous with no initial judgement or evaluation. It breaks one out of the rut of endlessly trying mere iterations of the same old approaches. We sometimes talk about thinking outside the box but we don't stop to consider the details of what that must really mean. To me, I have to think inside the box most of the time, that is I must make routine decisions routinely; however, when I have exhausted every method inside my box, then there is no good alternative than to look outside of the box. Here is the real problem: On the one hand, everything we have already decided is relevant, is already inside the box but we have already, rightly ruled those approaches out. On the other hand, we have already decided that everything outside the box is irrelevant (or else we would have already put it into the box where we keep relevant approaches.) When one is really stuck on a problem, it really helps to make a conscious decision to whimsically start considering all the absurd or humorous or ridiculous impossibilities. Its the only thing that is going to deliver you from endless, and fruitless permutations of known approaches. Once you successfully leap to a new possibility--even an absurd one, your mind is finally in new territory and is getting new perspective that might lead to a better approach. I am looking forward to exploring your Alternative Modes of Thought. What do you specifically object to in Top Hat thinking? Thank you for your time! You might enjoy my essays on Populistocracy---Democratic Election by lottery!z-pec.yolasite.com Scott Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 21:27:34 +0200 Subject: Re: [Vo]:DeBono's Top Hat Thinking From: peter.gl...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com I sam grateful for your sttention. My method is an slternstive to the Six Hats- I sm telling the story at the blog.An other discovery of De Bono I have used are the septoes- a literarygenre. You will find some interesting things at the Blog. I own it in common with a lady (Georgina) who is working at a great bank in Vienna and was my best e-collaborator at my former newsletter.(2002-2010) She writes very well and I hope she will be a writer.Peter On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Wm. Scott Smith scott...@hotmail.com wrote: I will be checking out your site with great interest. Modes of Thinking remind me of DeBono's Books on Top Hat Thinking which has to do with Changing your Thinking Cap My dear friends, Next week I will publish my Real Life ProblemSolving System at my blog. This system isbased on my MODES OF THINKING- a paper that I published today on my blog. It's first variant was published in Contemporanul - Ideea europeana in July 1990.Please read it, it is well verified in practice and up-to-dated..I really don't want to become popular with my blog EGO OUT but I take my work seriously; there are so manywicked problems on our Planet. http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/03/modes-of-thinking-my-taxonomy.html Thank you for your attention, excuse me for disturbingall my best wishes! Peter -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter GluckCluj, Romaniahttp://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:How to Really Give Power to the People!
HOW TO REALLY GIVE POWER TO THE PEOPLE Extra Spending Power Would Be Quickly Lost To collect royalties, one only has to make the royalties cheaper to pay than the legal fees and the disruption that litigation brings. Besides, Governements will not miss such a great opportunity to tax such inventions, seeing that there is so much Loose Money Laying Around once we stop paying OPEC et al; so there is little doubt that royalties will be seen as a way to protect their taxable interest, since people would oppose paying thousands of percent taxes on the devices they buy---even though it is really the same thing; (in the vein of I can't afford to have you raise my Landlord's taxes!) In other words they will tax the royalties so you won't Feel like you are being taxed. Really, especially in Added Value Tax Countries, the overwhelming portion of the price you pay for virtually everything s to pay the taxes for all the previous owners of all the parts of the goods or services. Plus, at some point, the politicians are going to abandon the dying Energy Industries; they will be tripping over one-another to cut lucrative deals with the New Energy Establishment. Besides, free energy wouldn't be free, just from the standpoint that, extra money being diverted from energy into the otherwise same economy will not increase goods or services nor will it give you more spending power since the prices of everything else will inflate. Your increased spending power will simply vanish into the ravenous, slobbering, gaping, burping mouth of the Beast we call Inflation. HOW TO REALLY GIVE POWER TO THE PEOPLE http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/1-Populistocracy.pdf http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/2CritSafeguards.pdf http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/4Misc.pdf Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:41:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Big Picture From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: Once Rossi comes across with a convincing demo or the mw power plant, or even does a long run of the 12kw device, it won't be long before people figure out what the catalyst is and build the devices for themselves. Patents will be a joke. No country is going to sit around waiting for Rossi's permission. Countries will break every agreement they have in regard to patents rather than not build the device. I agree emphatically with both points. On the blog, the Defkalion representative wrote: For the time being, it is confirmed that Defkalion will manufacture units up to 20KW for different non-military applications within 2011, exclusively. That's naive. It is also a violation of trade laws. You cannot tell your customer how they can and cannot use a product, except in a very limited way. For example, software manufacturers have you sign an agreement not to reverse engineer the product. I doubt that would stand up on court. As long as the customer uses it for a legal purpose, the vendor cannot discriminate or refuse to sell. If the use of the product is illegal, that is a problem for law enforcement agents. (If you knowingly sell something for illegal purposes you may be culpable.) Frankly the entire business plan strikes me as naive, totally inadequate to the task, and one that would leave 99% of potential profit on the table for others to grab. If this thing is going to solve the energy crisis, or even have a measurable impact on energy consumption, one small company mass producing units at the end of 2011 will not cut the mustard. The scale of that effort is far too small. It is as if the Wright brothers envisioned themselves as exclusive manufacturers of airplanes in 1912. In fact, there were a half-million people making airplanes that year, and without that kind of effort aviation would not have become an industry. We will need a half-million or maybe 10 million people working on Rossi device RD if they are going to succeed at all. I mean people in many industries such as automobiles, power generators, space heaters, process heating, aerospace and so on. These people all have specialized knowledge that Rossi and Defkalion do not have. There is no way Defkalion could engineer a system for anything other than a few basic purposes. They could not expand fast enough or high the tens of thousands of product engineers who will be needed. Thousands of variations and specialized uses must be engineered. Also, as I said, every single one will have to pass careful review by the insurance industry (Underwriter's Laboratory), regulators and others. This alone will cost billions of dollars, and Defkalion cannot begin to deal with it. Underwriter's Laboratory (U.L.) has no legal standing, but de facto you cannot sell a single product in the U.S. without extensive testing and approval by them. No vendor will sell it, and no professional engineer or installers will touch it -- nor should they, in my opinion. No one should risk his life to
[Vo]:How to Kill Special-Interest Politics
Populistocracy: The Long-Awaited Death of Special-Interest Politics!!! What could be more fair than allowing anyone who wants to hold public office to participate in a random drawing??? This is authentic Democracy! This is how they chose their Assembly Members in Ancient Athens! This presents the very real possibility of stripping special interests of their ability to buy undue influence in the form of campaign donations. (Obviously, Presidents and State Governors could not be selected at random.) Could we do any worse than the present system??? (If this proposal seems impossible to accomplish, (re)read Iconoclast Community: We can do this!!! http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/1-Populistocracy.pdf http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/2CritSafeguards.pdf http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/4Misc.pdf This is what I want to spend my Z-PEC royalties on. Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:41:55 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Big Picture From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com peatbog peat...@teksavvy.com wrote: Once Rossi comes across with a convincing demo or the mw power plant, or even does a long run of the 12kw device, it won't be long before people figure out what the catalyst is and build the devices for themselves. Patents will be a joke. No country is going to sit around waiting for Rossi's permission. Countries will break every agreement they have in regard to patents rather than not build the device. I agree emphatically with both points. On the blog, the Defkalion representative wrote: For the time being, it is confirmed that Defkalion will manufacture units up to 20KW for different non-military applications within 2011, exclusively. That's naive. It is also a violation of trade laws. You cannot tell your customer how they can and cannot use a product, except in a very limited way. For example, software manufacturers have you sign an agreement not to reverse engineer the product. I doubt that would stand up on court. As long as the customer uses it for a legal purpose, the vendor cannot discriminate or refuse to sell. If the use of the product is illegal, that is a problem for law enforcement agents. (If you knowingly sell something for illegal purposes you may be culpable.) Frankly the entire business plan strikes me as naive, totally inadequate to the task, and one that would leave 99% of potential profit on the table for others to grab. If this thing is going to solve the energy crisis, or even have a measurable impact on energy consumption, one small company mass producing units at the end of 2011 will not cut the mustard. The scale of that effort is far too small. It is as if the Wright brothers envisioned themselves as exclusive manufacturers of airplanes in 1912. In fact, there were a half-million people making airplanes that year, and without that kind of effort aviation would not have become an industry. We will need a half-million or maybe 10 million people working on Rossi device RD if they are going to succeed at all. I mean people in many industries such as automobiles, power generators, space heaters, process heating, aerospace and so on. These people all have specialized knowledge that Rossi and Defkalion do not have. There is no way Defkalion could engineer a system for anything other than a few basic purposes. They could not expand fast enough or high the tens of thousands of product engineers who will be needed. Thousands of variations and specialized uses must be engineered. Also, as I said, every single one will have to pass careful review by the insurance industry (Underwriter's Laboratory), regulators and others. This alone will cost billions of dollars, and Defkalion cannot begin to deal with it. Underwriter's Laboratory (U.L.) has no legal standing, but de facto you cannot sell a single product in the U.S. without extensive testing and approval by them. No vendor will sell it, and no professional engineer or installers will touch it -- nor should they, in my opinion. No one should risk his life to protect a trade secret! U.L. demands blueprints and the exact composition of your product, and of every component in it, down to the faceplate screws. I have seen their application forms. They want to know more than Patent Office demands. There can be no secrecy in industrial products. There has not been any secrecy since the 19th century. - Jed
[Vo]:THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION ON VAT!
THANKS FOR CLARIFICATION ON VAT! Do VAT countries also have Income Taxes. If so, this tax is also reflected in the prices. rom: mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to Really Give Power to the People! Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:20:58 +1100 In reply to Wm. Scott Smith's message of Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:16:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] In other words they will tax the royalties so you won't Feel like you are being taxed. Really, especially in Added Value Tax Countries, the overwhelming portion of the price you pay for virtually everything s to pay the taxes for all the previous owners of all the parts of the goods or services. I live in one of those countries, and it doesn't work quite like that. The actual tax is 10% of the purchase price, which is the accumulation of 10% charged at each sub-level of production. At each level each producer gets to deduct the 10% they paid on their purchases, and they charge the next in line 10% of the sale price, so effectively 10% of all the differences is passed along to the ultimate buyer (i.e. the consumer), who ends up paying 10% on the final sale price. IOW the VAT is 10%, not the overwhelming portion. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
[Vo]:Robin is also correct!
Yes, in the long run, society will benefit from the cheap energy itself, either way. Patents aren't like copywrites, patents run out in 20 years. In my case, it would be more like 15 years because it will take five years to bring my ideas fully to market. That gives just enough time to help the World through the hard times and economic chaos that will come upon us for the next couple of decades, if things are done smoothly. My concern is that I forsee a very tumultous time as society adapts, not only to cheap energy, but also to the coming extreme Artificial Intelligence and increased automation. We must find ways to give everyone equity in the production of goods and services and the energy they require. Wouldn't it be nice to actually have some of OPEC's money to use for economic development, for creating industries that make goods that last for generations and are easily maintained?; we could actually work less, buy less and accumulate more!!! Wouldn't it be nice to buy everyone on Earth a clean, abundant water supply? We could grow far more food on far less land! Wouldn't it be nice to buy basic medical and educational services for the poor? Incidentally, I have read patents as a hobby for many years; there are many good ideas that failed for business reason, they never sold the rights to anyone, the patent ran out and now no investor will touch the idea since he is not rewarded with a temporary monopoly. From: mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:How to Really Give Power to the People! Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:25:47 +1100 In reply to Wm. Scott Smith's message of Sat, 29 Jan 2011 11:16:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] Besides, free energy wouldn't be free, just from the standpoint that, extra money being diverted from energy into the otherwise same economy will not increase goods or services nor will it give you more spending power since the prices of everything else will inflate. Your increased spending power will simply vanish into the ravenous, slobbering, gaping, burping mouth of the Beast we call Inflation. You couldn't be more wrong. *Real* wealth is built upon two pillars:- energy and information/knowledge. Nearly free energy will have a tremendous impact on the *real* wealth of the whole planet. We can only hope that that impact lifts everyone far enough out of poverty to ensure a global reduction in the birth rate. (The population is actually falling in some Western countries, and rises most rapidly in the poorest countries). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
[Vo]:Rel Cav's: Shrink time axis inside Relativistic Cavities to get correct result!
Francis: I really think a better way to think about Relativistic Cavities is to think of the time-axis shrinking, relative to the also reduced size of they particle within the cavity. Shrinking the time axis, has the effect of accelerating the velocity of travel along that axis, ie the passage of time. This approach explains precisely how the H2 molecule spends so much time there relative to us and spends so little time there from an external perspective. From: froarty...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com; froarty...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:25:34 -0500 Subject: [Vo]:primary objections to a relativistic interpretation of Casimir effect and catalytic action The primary objection to such a radical explanation for Casimir effect and catalytic action is that the equation for Casimir force at MINIMAL cavity width provides results which are insufficient to explain the large time dilations I am positing for the time period the hydrogen atoms remain inside this geometry. The concept of MINIMAL cavity width is based on our 3D perspective outside the cavity which my theory attempts to circumvent. I am positing that the 3D perspective inside the cavity is changed by vacuum energy suppression that results in a Lorentzian translation between space and time. The mini hydrogen sees the walls of the cavity shrink but an observer on the cavity wall would see the hydrogen shrink. This brings me to crux of the issue which is how can the equivalent acceleration inside the cavity be of such a large magnitude to achieve Lorentzian contraction and sidestep the limits of MINIMAL width and plate proximity constraints imposed by Liftshitz and others? A shortcut is needed that ignores the need for spatial velocity and directly manipulates time. We know that both acceleration and equivalent acceleration due to gravity can result in time dilation. Therefore I assume a relationship between vacuum energy density and time dilation.First let me remind you that although Einstein’s relativity is more convenient, Lorentzian theory is equally valid, and a neo Lorentzian theory of an ether that intersects our 3d spatial plane at 90 degrees to all 3 spatial axis provides a better model for my posit. Normal Lorentzian contraction requires spatial velocity approaching luminal scale to become visible along the axis of observation and displacement. These large velocities are required because it is a Pythagorean relationship between the rate of intersection of this ether axis with our 3d spatial axis. A vehicle that approaches these velocities is no longer on the same 3d axis line as us but rather a trigonometric angle between the two axis related to the contraction. Equivalent acceleration does not require any velocity at all. It can be considered an opposition to the intersection rate of the ether axis (note I don’t dare call this a velocity because this is normally a nonphysical axis that only manifests itself for the briefest instant when virtual particle pairs appear and disappear while intersecting our physical axis). A nucleus will oppose this flow of virtual particles and results in stretching our space to a different level on the time axis and creating a tiny relativistic well into which the electron tries to follow but can never catch up. This is equivalent to Puthoff’s model of restoring energy to an electron orbital in an inverse fashion – I am saying the virtual particles are having their primary effect pushing harder against the condensed mass of the nucleus and the electrons are in a permanent state of catching up. This opposition of mass to the rate of intersection accumulates to our macro scale as gravity and in the case of high gravity planets or dead stars can accumulate time dilation quickly enough relative to our scale to be observable in experiments. Normally inertial frames reflect the slight differences to this opposition proportional to velocity or equivalent acceleration provided by a large mass.( We are never aware of time dilations in these different inertial frames because our physical world is scaled and propelled by the intersection of these axis). In the case of Casimir geometry and suppression we have something novel that cannot possibly occur at the macro scale. The normal rate of opposition to the ether axis by mass is amplified by Casimir geometry utilizing suppression to create a SEGREGATION of the intersection rate. The large exterior plates are able to very rapidly accumulate a reservoir of delayed - opposed particles while the tiny cavity inside is able to create an inexhaustible venturi of accelerated (negative opposition) particles which represent the intersection rate of the ether with 3d inside the cavity. There is no overall net gain or loss to the intersection rate as DiFiore et all discovered in their experiments to measure change in gravitational forces with
[Vo]:Relativistic-Cavity Twins
Shrinking the time axis is the same thing as augmenting the spacial axes if we are defining distance as Velocity multiplied by time. Shrinking the time axis means that more local time is traversed, requiring more distance. This is the reverse of the Relativistic Twins: In this instance, the cavity Twin corresponds to the one that stays on Earth and vice versa! Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:01:56 -0500 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rel Cav's: Shrink time axis inside Relativistic Cavities to get correct result! To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Scott,I like your model for the temporal aspect but I was choosing my words carefully to make my points as intelligible as possible to the most common denominator. I was also trying to make the point that there can be a larger volume of space inside the cavity then the exterior spatial dimensions would predict. IMHO Deuterium ice, condensed hydrogen and the myriad other names we apply are all unchanged locally but take on these strange appearances when they occupy this extended space inside a Casimir cavity or the interstitial space inside a lattice. I believe that when vacuum fluctuations “appear” to get smaller between Casimir plates it is NOT a simple displacement of the longer flux being replaced by shorter flux that can fit between the plates as described in the present popular version of this theory. In the relativistic interpretation it is still the same longer flux which only appear shorter in a form of Lorentzian contraction. I believe that this type of contraction reflects direct changes to the time axis where space time itself is reshaped inside the cavity. Unlike the normal Lorentzian contraction of a single dimension where you have spatial velocity in a Pythagorean relationship to the “normal” intersecting rate of the ether, this version of contraction instead directly changes the intersection rate of this nonphysical axis by manipulating energy density. Because the axis of displacement/contraction is now 90 degrees to all 3 spatial axis this type of contraction should appear spatially symmetrical and appear to get smaller from ANY spatial axis instead of the common Lorentzian contraction. The cost of this type of contraction is borne by nature in segregating energy density between the outside and inside of a plate cavity system in a manner that skips the need for near luminal velocity and instead changes time (intersecting rate) directly proportional to local geometry in different zones inside and outside the cavity.RegardsFran Wm. Scott Smith said on Thursday , January 27, 2011 1:13 PM I really think a better way to think about Relativistic Cavities is to think of the time-axis shrinking, relative to the also reduced size of they particle within the cavity. Shrinking the time axis, has the effect of accelerating the velocity of travel along that axis, ie the passage of time. This approach explains precisely how the H2 molecule spends so much time there relative to us and spends so little time there from an external perspective.
[Vo]:E = k f^3 to Ideal Casimir formula
E = k f^3 to Ideal Casimir formula I can't account perfectly for all the changing constants---but this is pretty close. See http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Short%20NSS%20Conference%20Paper.pdf The following is a more recent paper on my perspectives on the Q FluxI have to locate and Add all the references to support these things---but most of it is (un)common sense! http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/LPD-SPECIFICATION%20Ammended%2012-22-10.pdf Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:47:28 -0500 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Relativistic-Cavity Twins To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Scott,OK its clear to me that You absolutely get it! But I was trying to avoid the confusion when talking about “velocity” on a nonphysical axis – the seeming conflicts and arguments I got early on caused me to write the thread in the verbose manner that I chose for the benefit of those less familiar. Once the lights come on and someone understands the relativistic concept of a shrinking time axis it does make an easier model to visualize. Your reference to the reverse Relativistic Twins analogy where the cavity twin corresponds to the less accelerated twin on eart h was spot on because the cavity twin is negatively accelerated (equivalently)such that the “stationary twin” outside the cavity appears to be approaching luminal velocity relative to the negatively accelerated cavity twin inside. My biggest challenge here is to develop a mathematical relationship between the Casimir formula and energy density that would allow an equivalent acceleration suitable to accumulate into this new form of “equivalent” Lorentzian contraction. Some of the life after death scenarios suggest a very slow accumulation to this contraction point where the scale can then start to contract rapidly and produce these anomalous forms of mini hydrogen. If I am correct about this rapid form of contraction then these atoms are able to penetrate down into cavities hundreds of times smaller than the “spatial” size of the atoms themselves. The relativistic space time inside these cavities does have the Limits imposed by Liftshitz for how close these atom s can approach the plates generating the field but in this scenario that limit is never violated as the atoms continually shrink away from the walls of the cavitiy allowing more and more gas to occupy the same spatial volume without increasing pressure.RegardsFran From: Wm. Scott Smith [mailto:scott...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:43 PM To : vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Relativistic-Cavity Twins Shrinking the time axis is the same thing as augmenting the spacial axes if we are defining distance as Velocity multiplied by time. Shrinking the time axis means that more local time is traversed, requiring more distance. This is the reverse of the Relativistic Twins: In this instance, the cavity Twin corresponds to the one that stays on Earth and vice versa!Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 17:01:56 -0500From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:Rel Cav's: Shrink time axis inside Relativistic Cavities to get correct result! To: vortex-l@eskimo.comScott,I like your model for the temporal aspect but I was choosing my words carefully to make my points as intelligible as possible to the most common denominator. I was also trying to make the point that there can be a larger volume of space inside the cavity then the exterior spatial dimensions would predict. IMHO Deuterium ice, condensed hydrogen and the myriad other names we apply are all unchanged locally but t ake on these strange appearances when they occupy this extended space inside a Casimir cavity or the interstitial space inside a lattice. I believe that when vacuum fluctuations “appear” to get smaller between Casimir plates it is NOT a simple displacement of the longer flux being replaced by shorter flux that can fit between the plates as described in the present popular version of this theory. In the relativistic interpretation it is still the same longer flux which only appear shorter in a form of Lorentzian contraction. I believe that this type of contraction reflects direct changes to the time axis where space time itself is reshaped inside the cavity. Unlike the normal Lorentzian contraction of a single dimension where you have spatial velocity in a Pythagorean relationship to the “normal” intersecting rate of the ether, this version of contraction instead directly changes the intersection rate of this nonphysical axis by manipulating energy density. Because the axis of displacement/contraction is now 90 degrees to all 3 spatial axis this type of contraction should appear spatially symmetrical and appear to get smaller from ANY spatial axis instead of the common Lorentzian contraction. The cost of this type of contraction is borne by nature in segregating energy density between
[Vo]:Relativistic Gamma Blue Shifted or Red Shifted
Blue Shifted or Red Shifted From: froarty...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: adast...@me.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Vo]:Would radiation from reactants at relativistic speeds appear downshifted from our perspective? What happens to Gamma radiation emitted from matter at relativistic speeds from our perspective? Is there a down translation to the EM frequency? Would it matter if the velocity was spatial or equivalent? Fran
[Vo]:Mechanical Force from the Quantum Vacuum
A Large Mechanical Force from the Quantum VacuumNASA's Breakthrough Physics Propulsion Program concluded that we might someday use the momentum of the photons of the Quantum Vacuum to eliminate the cumbersome on-board reaction-mass and fuel of rockets. According to Stochastic Electrodynamics, the photons of a universal, self-existent Zero-Point Energy Field continuously impart their momentum to matter, physically causing the speed and positional uncertainties of subatomic particles, Einstein's Brownian Motion, Van der Waals Forces, and the anomalously energetic behavior of liquid helium. Like the moving part in any Casimir Force Experiment a Quantum-Thruster needs not to supply its own energy or reaction-mass because, it too, is accelerated by an external force, the radiation pressure of the photons of the Quantum Vacuum. Though bombarded uniformly from all directions, it experiences a net thrust because even completely identical photons impart twice as much momentum to its more-reflective side as to its more-absorbent, opposite side. Quantum-Thrusters are the consummate Prime Mover for anything we want to move and for all the clean energy we could ever want. (US and International Patents Pending)http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/LPD-SPECIFICATION%20Ammended%2012-22-10.pdfNSS and NPA Conferences' Paper http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Short%20NSS%20Conference%20Paper.pdf Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:34:16 -0800 Subject: [Vo]:How to go from force to energy - Casimir heating or cooling Message body I’ve been thinking further about how it might be possible to go from a force (pressure) to continuous energy via Casimir geometry. Normally, any force like gravity or inertia is a one-way street, unless there is a disconnect in the overall symmetry which can be exploited by a rapid transaction rate. It can be positive or negative. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827893.500-how-to-create-temperatures-below-absolute-zero.html Fran Roarty has explored the possibilities of time distortion and relativistic effects, so I will not repeat that, but it could be related. Here is another slant. The force must be applied via rapidly sequential phase changes using an intermediary (like pycno-hydrogen) so that thermodynamically, the system acts like a see-saw or pump around a certain threshold temperature. It does this because the intermediary can “be” either a fermion or a composite boson, depending on “compreture.” As a composite boson, monatomic hydrogen can act as an “energy carrier” for a characteristic value of ZPE. A few months ago, Claus Turtur republished his expanded ZPE hypothesis that includes numerous improvements over what we saw two years ago, including the formula at the end of section 9, which emphasizes the importance of 6.8 eV. Unfortunately, Turtur still does not have the precise rationale for this value – i.e. the Dirac epo field and the ionization potential of positronium. He does have some interesting insight on other points. Anyway, it is clear that Casimir heating can serve as a valid alternative explanation for LENR heat - even when radiation shows up, eventually. This point needs further attention, as it is not obvious. As an alternative to LENR, Casimir heating 'implies' but does not explain how nuclear reactions or transmutations (which admittedly can show up) happen in these materials, usually in the form of a weak force reaction. The key point is that nuclear reactions are a secondary QM EFFECT and by-product of prior energy depletion in a time-reversed situation, instead of being the prime CAUSE of the excess heat. Any transmutation will presume the lowest energy available type of nuclear transition – a weak force reaction. This is the rationale for delayed radiation and/or transmutation - in those excess energy reactions that run long enough: the nuclear reaction is a QM “book-balancing effect. And let’s make it clear that this is completely different from the W-L version of a weak-force modality involving a bogus ‘ultra low momentum neutron’. There is simply no such species. This line of reasoning (time-reversed QM reactions) has been proposed by myself and others for years as being the underlying reason why radiation and neutrons are seldom seen in LENR; but first came up with regard to an alternative explanation to Mills/BLP (which can also be seen as a Casimir heating situation). There is a relic of the reaction in ultraviolet radiation due to the relationship of the fine structure constant and the epo field (which is based on 6.8 eV I.P. of positronium, and NOT on the 27.2 eV level). One of the earliest references to Casimir heating is a mathematical model, Phase transitions induced by the Aharonov-Bohm field by Krive al. of Kharkov State University in the former USSR, which came out about the same time as the PF announcement. Too bad Turtur is unaware of this work as there is some
[Vo]:Why not Kr 85 and Raney Nickel experiment?
Why hasn't anybody tested Kr 81 or 85 in activated Raney Nickel powder to see if the decay rate changes.This is the simplest experiment; yet it is the most irrefutable as well as the most meaningful. If there are temporal effects, then this would be the best starting point for figuring out everything else in-terms-of. ScottWm. Scott Smith Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:06:24 -0500e From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Starfleet Command] Nick Herbert DS agree that there is a basic flaw in Haisch-Moddel Patent ZPF Vacuum Energy Generator. I agree with Bernard’s Thought experiment but Nick seems to be hung up on just the Casimir force being exploitable – Nick is overlooking the importance of the gas atoms themselves. Garret Moddel published a paper ,Assessment of proposed electromagnetic quantum vacuum energy extraction methods, http://ecee.colorado.edu/ 7Emoddel/QEL/Papers/Moddel_VacExtracV1.pdf Which casts doubt on 2 of the 3 classes of propo sed methods to extract energy but finds the migration of monatomic gas inside aPermanent Casimir field, the 3rd class, a workable solution. I view these cavities as a tapestry of different energy densities confined together at the nano scale. You have Gas atoms inside these cavities constantly driven into random motion by HUP – these atoms translate to different quiescent energy densities established by the local Casimir geometry. The heat anomalies of Arata, Mills and other researchers indicate this is already enough to produce an effect even without the circulation proposed by Haisch and Moddel.The circulation was first proposed by William Lyne for an Atomic Furnace and probably would have helped if it ha d been adopted by Moller and Naudin in the MAHG device – Note H-M are proposing Casimir Lamb Pinch while Lyne and Moller an oscillation between bond states of gas atoms with change in energy density which are wholly different scales but both exploit the change in Casimir geometry relative to the random motion of gas atoms. I think that even if the Casimir Lamb Pinch fails to achieve the efficiency to exploit the process their prototype is still better conceived to exploit the method suggested by Lyne and Moller – The gas is circulated between Casimir and Non Casimir cells forcing a maximum translation/space, spreads out the reaction to avoid melt down and the need to regenerate like the Rayney Nickel of Rowan Confirmation fame – It also allows for better reactant controls to mix with inert gas, vary circulation speed and greater surface area to couple the heat away. On Mar 3, 2010, at 4:15 PM, JACK SARFATTI wrote: So, Nick where specifically do you disagree with Bernie's remarkbelow? What sentences he wrote do you think are wrong? Best way tosettle this is with the math. I am not sure if Nick's spin exampleis a good analogy with what Haisch Moddel propose. I thinkBernie's point is that the work needed to overcome the ZPF energybarrier in the two different vacuum phases inside and outside thecavity is for the center of mass of the atom. In contrast theenergy gain they are talking about is in the internal electron ; orbital shift and that the two degrees of freedom are essentially decoupled. In order for their scheme to work however, you and Davidmake a valid point that the alleged internal orbital zpf energyshift gain must be larger than the work done on the CM degree offreedom it getting the atoms back out of the cavity in theircirculating heat exchange! r sort of design. Off hand, I see nofundamental reason for assuming that the CM work and the orbitalelectron shift must add to zero always. But I have not thought verydeeply about this.Begin forwarded message: From: nick herbert qua...@... Date: March 3, 2010 12:24:05 PM PST To: JACK SARFATTI sarfa...@... Cc: Sarfatti_Physics_Seminars sarfatti_physics_semin...@yahoogroups.com, sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups. com sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Starfleet Command] Re: Basic Flaw in Haisch-ModdellPatent ZPF Vacuum Energy Generator? ; Reply-To: sarfattisciencesemin...@yahoogroups.comDavid S is spot on. A nice concise refutation of the Haisch- Moddell ZPF Proposal. One can build a simpler version of HM that has the same flaw. Send a properly spin oriented beam of excited atoms into a uniform magnetic field such that the Zeeman splitting puts the atoms in a slightly lower energy state. Mechanism is thesame. So is the flaw. Any energy you get from ! increased photon energy due to Zeeman splitting you will lose by the work done extracting the atoms from the magnetic field. Nick HerbertOn Mar 2, 2010, at 11:09 AM, JACK SARFATTI wrote: Force ~ negative spatial gradient of the potential energy On Mar 2, 2010, at 10:52
[Vo]:Kr 81 and Raney Nickel not so hard.
Actually, diluted Kr 81 is available commercially and (normally) has a fairly low decay rate. Chemically speaking, this mixture is utterly non-reactive--therefore, nontoxic. I believe it is usually diluted into Argon gas and is not terribly radioactive. The average house in my town is more contaminated by Radon gas. In contrast, your house is already filled with highly-radioactive, highly-chemically reactive Americium in the form of smoke detectors. (A few years ago, a private citizen actually collected enough smoke detectors to make a small breeding reactor the Tri-City Area of Washington State!) I'm not sure, but I believe that Kr 81 is still used in Vacuum Tube applications to keep the gas near the filaments ionized. (Yes, true audiophiles still prefer vacuum tubes since they transmit both odd and even harmonics, unlike solid-state!) Raney nickel and similar preparations is used in many labs. Raney Nickel is a common feature of any lab that is working on just about any Chemical Catalysts. Besides, there is no fire hazard if the Raney Nickel is just kept in an inert gas (like Argon and Kr 81. Informal results wouldn't get published, but would nonetheless help in getting the right people to perform better experiments. It shouldn't matter what you are using, if introducing a gas to an evacuated jar that Scott From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Why not Kr 85 and Raney Nickel experiment? Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:20:00 -0800 From: Wm. Scott Smith Ø Why hasn't anybody tested Kr 81 or 85 in activated Raney Nickel powder to see if the decay rate changes Hmm … let me count a few of the reasons 1)Lack of funding and proper facilities 2)Even if you have a fume hood and vacuum sealed glove box, this would be dangerous 3)Requires a NRC license and buying enough gas, in the amounts needed to pressurize a sample, is very expensive. 4)Even with a license and a willing supplier, ordering any such material arouses suspicion of Dept of HS 5)For anyone who does not want the attention – a few radioactive gases could be extracted from ore, or collected/ manufactured in situ but this creates problems for anyone wanting to replicate. 6)There is no assurance that Krypton would absorb into Raney nickel without pressurization in the first place, and loading usually requires lots of gas, which then contaminates all your equipment. 7)If you were going to do the experiment at all; using reproducible technique, tritium would probably be preferable, and all of the same negatives apply. 8)Even a wildly successful experiment would absolutely NOT be published in a peer reviewed journal, unless you worked for a National Lab. 9)Activated Raney nickel itself is as almost as dangerous to handle as an explosive – witness Rossi’s two fires that burned down the entire labs. There are probably more reasons than this, but a fair appraisal of the risks involved would lead me to think that it would require $150,000 minimum, and half of that goes to cleanup and disposal. IMO – if all you want is the results for internal use – it would best be done with radon derived from natural sources (pitchblende ore) mixed with un-activated Raney and activated in a disposable reactor. There would be cross comparison with a control. This makes the experiment hard to calibrate and open to criticism.
[Vo]:Casimir Cavities Kr 85 Gas Anyone?
Is anyone yet working on exposing Raney Nickel to Kr 85 gas to see if the decay rate appears to accelerate in these cavitiesm, as had been proposed some time back? To me, this sounds like a very straight-forward way to test the whole idea of wavelengths upshifting to fit into the cavites! Scott Wm. Scott Smilth From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 06:43:35 -0800 Subject: [Vo]:Microwave 'suppression' (upshifting) From: Roarty, Francis X Ø in a tail wagging the dog sense you have the suppression of much longer wavelengths being upshifted to fit into the cavity Well - there is something else which you may not appreciate about microwaves and hydrogen and Casimir - in the context of the MAHG, specifically. Among the many hypotheses which were suggested to explain thermal gain in MAHG, assuming there was gain (despite the measurement error, I think there was gain) – and one of the more compelling arguments centered around large cavity resonance (the volume inside of the RF tube) being stimulated by para-ortho transitions, so as to resonate at high frequency. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spin_isomers_of_hydrogen The ratio between the ortho and para isomers of H2 is about 3:1 at STP but the para form dominates at low temperatures and the ortho at higher. There is a small energy gap, few hundredths of an eV, which can be “pumped” at a high transaction rate (few GHz). Problem is, this device was not a microwave tube, nor was it powered by RF. However it did have interior dimensions in the tens of cm range, which is consistent with microwave propagation, IF there was found to be a triggering source. From there on, we tried to invoke many things – like CMB, which in retrospect was way too much of a stretch. All of this was taking place before anyone had suggested “negative energy” inside a Casimir cavity – but that hypothesis is the perfect way to transition the para/ortho ratio from ~3:1 to 1:3 and back again, at few billion times per second. This would act as a pump for ZPE (arguably to explain excess heating, if there is any). Ø what happens when these bosonic molecules try to escape into the surrounding lattice which can normally only fit 1 atom per cell you may get your “cold” / ultra contained bosonic h2? Well, in the context of LENR, this is where something nuclear is poised to happen. It may not be fusion. AND – in my warped perspective of the situation, it may be a “book balancing” way to supply a nuclear-energy replenishment of local ZPE energy, already having been extracted via the microwave pump. ZPE extraction only works IMO when there is a facile way in which to ultimately replenish the local field – otherwise it is self-limiting. Two other notes: all of the above is easily falsifiable, and second – a method of hydrogen transport (thru-flow) as you suggest, would likely be highly beneficial for this device; but perhaps in another way than you are thinking. Jones
RE: [Vo]:High frequency UV radiation = VUV
I'm not sure what you mean--use a directional antenna to impart energy to the field, energy that rebounds back on to the attenna creating thrust both times? Scott From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:High frequency UV radiation = VUV Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:59:29 -0700 Hi, Is there a any reason that you did not include the reactive near-field effect, which is well-known in antenna design ? … it should relate to acceleration in Casimir cavities … Jones From: Wm. Scott Smith Subject: RE: [Vo]:High frequency UV radiation = VUV David, I think you might find my propulsion project interesting. Here is a paper I presented at the National Space Society Conference in Chicago this last May and to the Natural Philosophy Alliance Conference in June. Please let me know what you think and if you would like to participate. In addition to this approach, I have also filed a patent on optical approaches to reflecting more ZPE EM Flux from one side of a Quantum Sail than from the other side, since the reflected light imparts twice as much momentum as the absorbed-light, thus producing a direct physical force from the Quantum Vacuum. http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Short%20NSS%20Conference%20Paper.pdf Scott +509 326 1307 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:22:45 +0200 From: davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com The special thing about 159 nm is that it is almost entirely absorbed by air and ionizing it. Ionized air can be affected by other radiation to be heated. Heating localized air around a body makes a push on it. I want to elaborate with propulsion of this kind. UV with shorter wavelength than 159 nm is called VUV, vacuum ultraviolet, since it can only exist in vacuum. It is absorbed by air. Very funny would be to have tunable UV on the border between UV and VUV. The absorption rate would then be adjustable and the radiation could pass arbitrarily far away from the radiation source. I want to heat air around an object as described in my arXiv article on preventing shock waves. I think that the same technique can be used to achieve propulsion as well and it could be the way that flying saucers operate. They fly with apparently no moving parts and UV/VUV in combination with heating could have the same effect. I see that many vacuum UV lights can be bought: http://www.google.se/search?hl=enq=vacuum+uv+lamp David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
RE: [Vo]:High frequency UV radiation = VUV
David, I think you might find my propulsion project interesting. Here is a paper I presented at the National Space Society Conference in Chicago this last May and to the Natural Philosophy Alliance Conference in June. Please let me know what you think and if you would like to participate. In addition to this approach, I have also filed a patent on optical approaches to reflecting more ZPE EM Flux from one side of a Quantum Sail than from the other side, since the refected light imparts twice as much momentum as the absorbed-light, thus producing a direct physical force from the Quantum Vacuum. http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Short%20NSS%20Conference%20Paper.pdf Scott +509 326 1307 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 13:22:45 +0200 From: davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:High frequency UV radiation = VUV The special thing about 159 nm is that it is almost entirely absorbed by air and ionizing it. Ionized air can be affected by other radiation to be heated. Heating localized air around a body makes a push on it. I want to elaborate with propulsion of this kind. UV with shorter wavelenght than 159 nm is called VUV, vacuum ultraviolet, since it can only exist in vacuum. It is absorbed by air. Very funny would be to have tunable UV on the border between UV and VUV. The absorption rate would then be adjustable and the radiation could pass arbitrarily far away ffrom the radiation source. I want to heat air around an object as described in my arXiv article on preventing shock waves. I think that the same technique can be used to achieve propulsion as well and it could be the way that flying saucers operate. They fly with apparently no moving parts and UV/VUV in combination with heating could have the same effect. I see that many vacuum UV lights can be bought: http://www.google.se/search?hl=enq=vacuum+uv+lamp David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
[Vo]:RE: Langmuir H1 ZPE Simple Experiment
Hi Group! I have missed participating in recent months; I have been occupied preparing papers for and speaking at two conferences and preparing four patents relating to Z-PEC and LPD; nonetheless, Langmuir's work is very relevant to ZPE, so I had to respond! Personally, I think Langmuirs work combined with ZPE considerations suggests a plausible mechanism for how the hot Solar Corona heats the Cold Solar Surface. (Millions vs. thousands of degrees.) Specifically, ionized H1 atoms are a soup of independent electrons and independent protons. These protons are small enough to interact with the more energetic wavelengths of the Quantum Flux, and massive enough to convey a lot of energy, as opposed to low-mass electrons. On an average they are knocked one way just as much as any other way so they don't pick up net energy over time, however, the final time they are hit, just before molecular recombination, that last kick is never counteracted, so they recombine still-possessing the vacuum energy of this last kick. This is also the reason why the Quantum Flux My proposal for an is experiment is very simple: Use a small foam cooler inside a large foam cooler to make a calorimeter. Simply immerse an ordinary lightbulb that has been suitably prepared with an H2 atomosphere; then, continuously monitor the voltage and amperage versus the rise in water-temperature. There are meters that monitor the moment by moment power production to arrive at total energy over time very accurately assuming we are talking DC without any interuptions. Scott Wm. Scott Smith Z-PEC Man z-pec.yolasite.com Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:21:25 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: An interesting paper “IRVING LANGMUIR AND ATOMIC HYDROGEN” http://alturl.com/asihb by Nicholas Moller where he comes to the same conclusion I am positing regarding H2-H1 oscillation. snip Had Langmuir been familiar with ZPE, he would most certainly have reached other conclusions in terms of explaining the extraordinary energy properties of atomic hydrogen. As it was proven by Langmuir, the volume of the hydrogen when dissociated into atoms increases to the double of the volume of its molecular state. Upon recombination, heat energy is released to the tune of 90.000 cal/gram molecule. When incorporating ZPE in the explanation of the hydrogen process, it could be argued that the hydrogen is not really a fuel but rather a medium, gateway or a super-conductor of ZPE from the vacuum of space, converting ZPE radiation and ultra-high frequency electrical energy into infrared (heat) radiation. On recombination into molecules the ZPE is “squeezed” out, releasing the absorbed energy. /snip Fran
[Vo]:90 K Cal vs. 103 Cal? 90.000???
Fran, Would you please clear this up. I am a little confused by the use of 90.000: If this means ninety-thousand, then I would write it as 90,000. I realize that some use the first convention: (90.000,0) Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:21:25 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: An interesting paper “IRVING LANGMUIR AND ATOMIC HYDROGEN” http://alturl.com/asihb by Nicholas Moller where he comes to the same conclusion I am positing regarding H2-H1 oscillation. snip Had Langmuir been amiliar with ZPE, he would most certainly have reached other conclusions in terms of explaining the extraordinary energy properties of atomic hydrogen. As it was proven by Langmuir, the volume of the hydrogen when dissociated into atoms increases to the double of the volume of its molecular state. Upon recombination, heat energy is released to the tune of 90.000 cal/gram molecule. When incorporating ZPE in the explanation of the hydrogen process, it could be argued that the hydrogen is not really a fuel but rather a medium, gateway or a super-conductor of ZPE from the vacuum of space, converting ZPE radiation and ultra-high frequency electrical energy into infrared (heat) radiation. On recombination into molecules the ZPE is “squeezed” out, releasing the absorbed energy. /snip Fran
[Vo]:Patents Can Be in the Best Public Interest
Jed Group Actually, once you file a provisional patent application, your filing date is established, assuming you follow through with a non-provisional patent within a year. I filed first and disclosed soon after, to network and hopefully get help. Why help someone pursue a patent? You still get to benefit from the free energy when the technology becomes available in the market place, just like you can buy equipment to access the free energy of the Sun, except ZPE potentially has a much greater practical energy density than Solar. Besides, if the basic concept is public domain then there is no protection from special interests who will simply patent every practical way to implement the basic idea, you are simply handing the patents over to established special interests. In contrast, a well-written patent can be broad enough to preclude much or even all of such activity. Either way, you are at the mercy of the final patent holders. I have not persisted in doing this for my own enrichment, there are many, far more certain ways to make money than to spend my life pursuing long-shots. Beleive it or not, you will never benefit from free energy if it is made instantly available at no cost. The reason is simple: All of the money we had been spending on petroleum and Power Company expenses would hit the economy and cause inflation; in other words we would just pay more for everything else and the benefit would vanish. Instead, I plan to use much of the previous oil revenue to create new product, new industries and new high-paying jobs. I plan to use the royalties to bring the Third World up to G-8 standards of living---but in an ecologically sustainable way. Please contact me at my e-mail since I have not had time to read most group-posts recently. Scott Wm. Scott Smith z-pec.yolasite.com scott...@hotmail.com
[Vo]:LENR Five-Day School (Tutorial) prior to the ICCF16 conference
LENR Five-Day School (Tutorial) prior to the ICCF16 conference. http://www.iscmns.org/iccf16/pre_conf_school.htm Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 09:56:42 -0400 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:ICCF16 website opens See: http://www.iscmns.org/iccf16/ _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
[Vo]:NASA, Superconductor Suppression USPTO Policy My Invention
From: scott...@hotmail.com To: greeng...@yahoogroups.com Subject: NASA, Superconductor Suppression USPTO Policy My Invention Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:58:15 -0700 NASA Superconductor Suppression USPTO Policy While I was being denied permission to file my patent application overseas for national security reasons, I was curious what agencies review which patents; according to the USPTO, NASA is responsible to review all patents relating to superconductor technology---but I'm sure that is just a service to the inventor so he won't waste his time on superconductor gravity-shielding. Right??? My Invention Open to Public Incidentally, they seem to have lost interest in me since after six months of my original patent acknowlegement of filing I am free to file overseas, absent any further instructions. Fortunately, they probably regard my technology as too farfetched, even though it is based entirely on Peer-reviewed Science! My invention is not about Super-Conductors, and I am still not certain who would have reviewed something involving aviation and nanotechnology. Here is a link to my technical paper which will soon be published. http://z-pec.yolasite.com/resources/Short%20NSS%20Conference%20Paper.pdf Scott Wm. Scott Smith skype: wm.scottsmith scott...@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 14:06:53 + From: greeng...@yahoogroups.com To: greeng...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [antigrav] Digest Number 2946 Breakthrough Propulsion Physics Recent Activity Visit Your Group Stay on topof your group activity with Yahoo! Toolbar Yahoo! FinanceIt's Now Personal Guides, news, advice more. Yahoo! GroupsMental Health Zone Find support for Mental illnesses Need to Reply?Click one of the Reply links to respond to a specific message in the Daily Digest. Messages In This Digest (1 Message) 1a. Re: HOWTO: making your own theory of gravity From: jules4060 View All Topics | Create New Topic Message 1a. Re: HOWTO: making your own theory of gravity Posted by: jules4060 ch...@pobox.com jules4060 Thu Jun 10, 2010 8:35 am (PDT) I was told back in 1968, at U.T. That if we can find out what superconductive has to do with gravity. Some day we will have flying cars. The answer is. Superconductive doesn’t have any thing to do with gravity. It is not the superconductor per se that is blocking the gravity so much as it is the powerful diamagnetic current loop formed by it. I believe that I have cracked the problem but I still have a lot of experimentation and theory to go before I am ready for a disclosure. One thing you may be able to investigate with the research you have done with the spores is to determine if they are diamagnetic. Regards, Jules. --- In greeng...@yahoogroups.com, larry burks llbur...@... wrote: Dear Jules; I see that you have done your home work. Your close. And better than most. You have an open mind.  I have an experiment that I’m working on. I’m hopping that this summer will be the year that I’m going to make a big break through.  I’m trying to keep every one posted on what I’m doing. A log of sorts.  I have found out some new stuff. I think is going to do the trick. About the use of hydrogen peroxide in the use of growing fungi. The spores of fungi are space shielding. Just like superconducting elements are.  I was told back in 1968, at U.T. That if we can find out what superconductive has to do with gravity. Some day we will have flying cars. The answer is. Superconductive doesn’t have any thing to do with gravity. But thing that are space shielding does. It is opaque to space. If you have some thing that is opaque to space like some thing are opaque to simple light. Then you can do some of the thing to space that you can do with simple light. Like make a hologram. A hologram of what? A hologram of a free space negative lens. A hologram of space in the form of a tube. An inverse vortex. A worm hole.  And if you have a worm hole. You can use them to curve space and manipulate gravity.  This is the way that every body else did. So. This is the way that I’m going to do it.  Larry --- On Mon, 5/24/10, jules4060 ch...@... wrote: From: jules4060 ch...@... Subject: [antigrav] HOWTO: making your own theory of gravity To: greeng...@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 12:41 PM  I have a GUT and TOE all worked out, too, with prediction of an anti-gravity electrostatic effect.. John W. There are probably many people who subscribe to this site and are working on a theory of gravity. I have seen dozens of such theories posted on the internet some by amateurs and others by people with some decent math skills. I admit that I am also guilty of working on such a theory but mine is still in the works. I have been researching this issue for many years and I have some pointers for people who
[Vo]:Did Big Bang Also Birth an Antimatter Universe?
Did Big Bang Also Birth an Antimatter Universe? Maybe the antimatter went into a parallel Space and gravity can transcend the barrier between them---and hopefully, we never shall!!! Scott Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:54:51 -0400 From: hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Through the Mirror, Darkly http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25100/ Monday, April 26, 2010 First Evidence That Mirror Matter May Fill the Universe? If dark matter exists it may take the form of mirror planets, mirror stars and mirror galaxies. Now one physicist says the most recent evidence seems to confirm this idea When astronomers study distant galaxies, they see only a small fraction of the mass needed to hold these clumps of stars together. Without some kind of extra hidden mass, galaxies ought to fly apart. Astronomers call this hidden mass 'dark matter' and physicists around the world are engaged in an increasingly desperate race to find evidence of it here on Earth. That's why there are more than 30 experiments in various parts of the planet looking for the stuff. The consensus is that, despite this global effort, dark matter remains well hidden. Nobody has had a whiff of the stuff. That is nobody except an Italian group which has spent the last ten years or so watching a giant lump of sodium iodide. Their thinking is that any dark matter hitting the sodium iodide should generate a photon. And that as Earth moves around the Sun, they should see more photons when heading into the background sea of dark matter than when moving away from it. Sure enough, this seasonal signal is exactly what this team says it sees. They claim that it's experiment called DAMA/LIBRA is the first direct evidence of dark matter. The trouble is that nobody else believes them, mainly because so many other experiments have seen nothing. The critics says something else must be responsible for these seasonal signals, perhaps some kind of environmental change like a variation in temperature. Then, about a month ago, everything changed when an experiment called CoGent based in the US reported that it too had found a hint of dark matter. CoGent looks for evidence that dark matter particles have bumped into a crystal of germanium and sure enough, the CoGent team say that the experiment is producing abundant evidence of these kinds of collisions. Curiously, while most experiments are looking for relatively heavy dark matter particles which should produce higher energy collisions, CoGent looks for much lighter particles. The interesting thing is that the DAMA\LIBRA evidence is from a similar mass range. Now the theoreticians are attempting to reconcile the DAMA and CoGent results by finding a dark matter model that can explain them both. Last month, Liam Fitzpatrick at Boston University and a couple of mates suggested that a light, weakly interacting dark matter particle could explain both results. And today, Robert Foot from the University of Melbourne has an even more interesting solution. He says that mirror matter could explain both. This result adds weight to the mirror dark matter interpretation of the direct detection experiments, he says. The theory behind mirror matter suggests that every particle in the standard model has a mirror equivalent that interacts with ordinary matter only very weakly. However, mirror particles interact with each other in exactly the same way as ordinary particles. So in this scenario, the Universe is filled with mirror planets, stars and galaxies. That's a mind blowing idea. Foot is one of the leading proponents of mirror matter and says other observations also point to its existence. Perhaps the new evidence will tempt astronomers to look harder. If it exists, mirror matter ought to be observable in other ways. For example, its gravity should bend light causing microlensing events although distinguishing mirror matter microlensing events from the same thing caused by ordinary but dim matter will be hard. Still, an interesting avenue to pursue. Refs: arxiv.org/abs/1004.1424 : A CoGeNT Confirmation Of The DAMA Signal arxiv.org/abs/1003.0014: Implications Of CoGeNT And DAMA For Light WIMP Dark Matter end, data and comments on website _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1
[Vo]:Raney Palladium, Time Dilation C Fusion
Palladium is similar enough to Ni that we can probably get some that has been alloyed with aluminum and could be treated with Sodium Hydroxde (Red Devil Drain Cleaner.) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 15:09:09 + From: froarty...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Warm fission - decay fusion - Arata Are you suggesting an accumulation of “time dilation” itself? I don’t understand that. Actually I should have said accumulation of the rate of dilation which the Casimir formula says is inversely related to the distance between the walls of the cavity and which will also result in heat from any fractional H2 translating to different fractional values between these walls. Unlike Haisch and Modell I think chemistry is required to release energy in a nonreversible manner and unlike Mills I think a quantum force is being rectified to disassociate the f/h2 ( an energy gain from ZPF) not just chemistry or he would not be getting excess heat. Both patries have half the secret and are too stubborn to borrow from each other. I think nuclear artifacts are currently just side effects of the runaway energy and increased rate of time dialtion multiplied by probability but agree it has the potential to kick start fusion or maybe a hybrid fusion/ashless chemistry reactions that will allow us a slower and safer nuclear path without all the neutrons. IIRC it was Arata himself that noticed a pronounce time delay in the progression of heating over many hours, where at first there is a small gain and then later there is reached what looks like a threshold for greater gain - which could be interpreted as two steps. I know the packing geometry between the nano Pd powder should form weaker Casimir geometry between the particles/grains of powder and that Pd also is a catalyst with both pores and obviousl a lattice for the d1 to load into. I am thinking the weaker geometry between the grins would process any d2 sooner like circulating h through the H-M prototype while the fd2 is still trapped and processing more slowly in the lattice and pores of the individual nano Pd grains to slowly leach out after heating the cavity through ashless chemistry. _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
[Vo]:Movement Along Time Axis: Not a Moving Axis!
We need to keep the time axis stationary and talk about a molecule's rate of Speed along the time axis. Setting up the math any other way would be a tough task! Scott Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:18:54 + From: froarty...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Warm fission - decay fusion - Arata Jones, Re-read your paragraph at bottom and now see more clearly what you were trying to say re-the time dilation argument – regardless Of whether this is normal trig relationship between acceleration on the spatial vs the time axis or as I mentioned another type Where the time axis moves faster instead the issue remains that the double beta decay is too long compared to the dilation causing f/h. I Have said previously that we are trading time for energy and the hydrogen returned from the cavity is much older than the hydrogen entering The cavity. That said however, I don’t think the electron velocity of C/137 calculated by Bourgoin’s 07 paper INVERSE QUANTUM STATES OF HYDROGEN would Be enough to accumulate as you say a half life longer than the age of the universe. I am not saying that C/137 is a limit but it is one of the few Numerical relationships I can cite for the relativistic interpretation – I’ll have to look at Naudts math again which isn’t based on a fractional orbit but it is magnitudes larger –more like the value you would need for decay. Best Regards Fran [quote]However, the double beta decay rate is slow to begin with (half-life is longer than the age of the universe) . consequently, to make a large difference, there needs to be much more than (or in addition to) a massive time alteration. IOW there must more going-on than the time factor alone influencing the decay rate - and that is where a nuclear charge alteration, brought on by the close approach of a partially shielded positive charge, like a deuteron (as opposed to a proton which has no partial shielding) could come into play.[/quote] _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4
[Vo]:Scott on Mpemba effect
I think that water that is warmer than its surrounding will experience greater convection; this means that the water is set into a more vigorous motion that is sustained even as the temperature difference passes that of the more-still, originally colder water. Scott Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2010 14:23:41 -0400 From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:New paper on Mpemba effect Remarkably consistent results. See: http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.3185 A search for the Mpemba effect: When hot water freezes faster then cold water James D. Brownridge (Submitted on 16 Mar 2010) Abstract An explanation for why hot water will sometime freeze more rapidly than cold water is offered. Two specimens of water from the same source will often have different spontaneous freezing temperatures; that is, the temperature at which freezing begins. When both specimens supercool and the spontaneous freezing temperature of the hot water is higher than that of the cold water, then the hot water will usually freeze first, if all other conditions are equal and remain so during cooling. The probability that the hot water will freeze first if it has the higher spontaneous freezing temperature will be larger for a larger difference in spontaneous freezing temperature. Heating the water may lower, raise or not change the spontaneous freezing temperature. The keys to observing hot water freezing before cold water are supercooling the water and having a significant difference in the spontaneous freezing temperature of the two water specimens. We observed hot water freezing before cold water 28 times in 28 attempts under the conditions described here. - Jed _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5
[Vo]:Mpemba Cylinder on its side
A completely filled curved cylinder on its side would be best, especially if the curvature was smaller on one side than the other. A vertical tube shaped like a Force-Free Spiral (google this!) would probably be the very best, but very tricky to design and build. Scott From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Scott on Mpemba effect Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:32:04 -0700 Pardon the wordy and repetitive prior post… geeze …. one might think I got locked out of my car yesterday J There was one point I forgot to make – which might make a good subject for further study: the “geometry of the container being used” for freezing and how the shape of that container might affect convection, and more particularly the “momentum of convection” as it becomes cooler and the active zone becomes diminished. My premise is that “convection-inertia” will be maintained at a higher level with a geometry that promotes a symmetrical and circular flow. Why? A form of inertia applicable to convection currents might be rotational inertia (moment of inertia), which refers to the fact that a rotating body maintains a state of uniform rotational motion. The “body” in this case is not rigid, but there is some similarity and analogy. Assuming that conservation of angular momentum is applicable, then – the geometry of the freezing container could come into play if it promotes or hinders that factor. We might expect the Mpemba effect to be minimal with a capillary tube, low with test tube, for instance - but maximized with spherical pyrex (labware). Rotational inertia depends on a spin object (“metaphorical” ) and therefore its structurally integrity as a rigid body, would come into play - and any geometry that diminished that hidden “structure”, would thereby lower the convection rate (of the hotter container). From: Jones Beene Yes, the “continuity” of an established convection rate, which Scott mentions - is the only detail not specifically addressed (but it is implied) in Horace Heffner’s fine 10 yr old analysis which is still online at: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Mpemba.pdf … and it is a key detail which is quantifiable by analyzing the convection currents over time. A key point of Horace’s paper is that it takes as much heat transfer to drop ~80 deg. C as it does to then freeze 0 deg. C water. The “heat transfer rate” then is the key to any anomaly – and this rate is controlled by convection currents which themselves have momentum. “Momentum” then, or inertia, and its continuity - may be the key to any improved understanding… although it is implied in the prior analysis. HH: “Convection currents can dramatically affect heat transfer rates, by exposing large volumes of the liquid directly to the heat transfer boundary, be that the container walls or the ice itself. Slow moving molecules are culled out of the moving stream of water at the water-ice boundary. If the water does not move, then the relatively slower mechanism of thermal conduction is all that remains to effect the freezing…. If the heat transfer rate at 0 deg. C is only doubled by the increased convection, then water with an initial temperature of less than about 39.9 deg. C will freeze at about the same time as water initially at 0 deg. C. *An almost 40 deg. advantage is given to the hotter water.* If the convection momentum is greater than doubled, which it probably is – then more than 40 degrees can be offset. Jones From: Wm. Scott Smith I think that water that is warmer than its surrounding will experience greater convection; this means that the water is set into a more vigorous motion that is sustained even as the temperature difference passes that of the more-still, originally colder water. Scott Remarkably consistent results. See: http://arxiv.org/abs/1003.3185 A search for the Mpemba effect: When hot water freezes faster than cold water James D. Brownridge (Submitted on 16 Mar 2010) Abstract An explanation for why hot water will sometime freeze more rapidly than cold water is offered. Two specimens of water from the same source will often have different spontaneous freezing temperatures; that is, the temperature at which freezing begins. When both specimens supercool and the spontaneous freezing temperature of the hot water is higher than that of the cold water, then the hot water will usually freeze first, if all other conditions are equal and remain so during cooling. The probability that the hot water will freeze first if it has the higher spontaneous freezing temperature will be larger for a larger difference in spontaneous freezing temperature. Heating the water may lower, raise or not change the spontaneous freezing temperature. The keys to observing hot water freezing before cold water are supercooling the water and having a significant difference in the spontaneous freezing temperature of the two
[Vo]:Thanks: Steven K Lamoreaux
Hi Fran! Thanks for the Refs! I was thinking that we might be able to get some of the ou hydrolysis researcher to try the Kr 81 and Raney thing! Scott Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:03:06 -0400 From: francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:The Casimir force: background, experiments, and applications- Paper by Steven K Lamoreaux The Casimir force: background, experiments, and applications by Steven K Lamoreaux [Quote] The view that the Casimir force is simply the long-range (retarded) van der Waals interaction between material bodies is not accurate because the effect of the material boundaries must be considered in the calculation of the force. Furthermore, the van derWaals interactions between particles is non-additive, with the deviation increasing with density. Even in the case of three molecules, the van der Waals interaction is modified [10]. However, as shown in [5] (pp 249–51), a reasonable estimate of the Casimir force can be obtained by considering the pairwise interactions between the molecules contained in parallel plates with the polarizability 204 S K Lamoreaux determined from the dielectric constant, _, and the Clausius–Mosetti relation. In the limit of _→∞, a 1/d4 force law with magnitude about 80% of Casimir’s result is obtained. The lack of additivity is further addressed in [5], pp 254–8. As mentioned above, one manifestation of a Casimir effect has its origin in molecular (van derWaals or dispersion force) interactions; this is the force of attraction between dielectric bodies which, in the case of tenuous media, can be interpreted as arising from the retarded (1/r7) and short-range (1/r6) van der Waals potentials between the molecules that make up the bodies, as was first discussed by London [11]. When the bodies are sufficiently dense, it is no longer valid to consider molecule–molecule interactions alone, and one must take into account the boundary conditions for the electromagnetic fields at the material surfaces and intermolecular effects. Lifshitz [12]1 first developed in 1956 the theory for the attractive force between two plane surfaces made of a material with a generalized susceptibility. His work was motivated by experimental results from force measurements between dielectric bodies that were much smaller than expected due to van derWaals interactions alone [13, 14]. Remarkably, the Lifshitz result does not explicitly involve a body’s molecular properties; the attractive force is a function of only bulk material properties and the separation between the planes. The commentary in [14] indicates that before the Lifshitz analysis, it was expected that solid body force measurements would directly measure intermolecular forces, effectively amplified by the sheer number of participating pairs. The Lifshitz result indicates the importance of the boundaries, and in the limit of high density it is no longer possible to discuss the problem in terms of pair interactions. [/Quote] Regards Fran _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/
[Vo]:BP Electro-conversion EMHD Generation?
Mike Group: The new documents have no stated authroship. The style of writing suggest that they are lifted from third-party technical reports, somewhat in the style of descriptions in a patent disclosure. I think Published Patent Text is Public Domain--Do any of you really know? I have thought seriously about using some description of ZPE and its history from these sources. A third document discusses a tecnology called CIHT which produces electricity directly from the BLP reaction without a thermal-electric converstion system. The context is BLP for automobiles,with a projected performance of 1500 miles on a litr to water, or 2500 miles on a 20 liter, 100 atm hydrogen tank. Distressingly, only the barest hints at the CHIT technology are given. This sounds like Electromagnetic Hydrodyamic Drive. An electrically-conducting ionized gas is propelled through a strong magnetic field inducing a current that across the flow and across the magnetic field lines. I have often wondered if this approach should have been used in the exhaust pipe to replace the alternator in a car! It would also make the engine work harder, but might be more efficient. Scott _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2
[Vo]:Yep! aka MHD
Yep! aka MHD Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:10:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:BP Electro-conversion EMHD Generation? From: jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Wm. Scott Smith wrote: This sounds like Electromagnetic Hydrodyamic Drive. a.k.a. magnetohydrodynamics (MHD). - Jed _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3
[Vo]:Load Electrode with conductive . . . then non-
What if one loaded a looped electrode, as usual, in some sort of salt-solution, then ran current through the loop-coil of just the one electrode, but this time in a non-conductive solution? Scott From: rmfor...@comcast.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com CC: michelj...@gmail.com; mi...@medleas.com; sa...@pobox.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010. Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:09:19 -0700 Thanks, Michel Jullian, for the ripple voltage idea. I'd really like to access any other posts that discuss this error in the past -- was there ever much discussion about it on Vortex-L or any other venue? Rich - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010. But Rich, like others who mentioned this before (as I recall Mike Carrell did), is right that the component of the internal field due to the *externally* applied DC Electric field in some SPAWAR experiments, through insulating walls, should rapidly reach zero in the electrolyte and stay there. I suggested at the time that what might be operative in modifying the cauliflower like structure of the deposits was the AC component of the field due to the HV supply's unavoidable ripple voltage at its switching frequency (typically 20 kHz), however small it may be. A simple way to test this hypothesis would be to use a high voltage capacitor instead of a HV supply. Michel 2010/2/23 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com: On 02/22/2010 10:32 PM, Rich Murray wrote: Extraordinary Error -- no electric field exists inside a conducting liquid in an insulated box with two external charged metal plates, re work by SPAWAR on cold fusion since 2002 -- also hot spots from H and O microbubbles: Rich Murray 2010.02.22 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.htm Monday, February 22, 2010 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/42 _ Each charged plate attracts enough ions of the opposite charge right to the side of the conducting electrolyte against its insulating wall, until the charge on the plate is exactly balanced -- thus each side is a separate charged capacitor, connected by the wire of the liquid. All the electric field exists only in the insulating walls of the two capacitors -- no electric field exists inside the liquid. This is true only so long as no current is flowing through the liquid. Just as in the case of a wire, if there's current flowing in a conducting liquid, then there's an electric field in the liquid, as well. (Otherwise, what do you think makes the ions move?) It's a common *approximation* to say there's no E field in a conductor but it's not generally true, save in electrostatics. My general impression is that electrolytic cells used in CF experiments do indeed have a current flowing through them. Therefore there is also an electric field present throughout the region of the electrolyte between the electrodes. :-) If the experiments were done with a superconducting electrolyte the story would be different, of course. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/
