Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
El 21/04/2014 02:15 a.m., Asaf Bartov escribió: 3. An example: some time ago, our colleagues in Chile wanted to spend (not a lot of) movement funds on printing the Welcome to Wikipedia booklet in Rapa Nui. Rapa Nui is (perhaps) spoken by fewer than 3000 people, no doubt mostly without facility with or regular access to the Internet. There is not, and there never will be, a Wikipedia that is a useful reference source in Rapa Nui. And that's okay, because there is also not, and never will be, a person on this planet who _needs_ free knowledge in Rapa Nui, that is, who cannot consume knowledge in another language (indeed, I dare wager fully 100% of Rapa Nui speakers not only _can_ consume knowledge in Spanish, but would _prefer_ to do so. In practical terms, I mean, e.g. if they needed medical information and had a page of Rapa Nui and a page of Spanish providing that information before them). Speakers of minority languages, and especially, aboriginal languages, have for hundreds of years been used or forced to rely on a dominant/colonial language (in this particular case, Spanish) to access information unrelated to their own culture -medicine, science, technology, world history-. That does not exactly mean they _prefer_ to use it. 4. What does interest me, as a grantmaker, is where to draw the line between the Rapa Nui end of the spectrum and languages that, with some active promotion, could well become useful and much-needed reference sources in some cultures. In other words, *what are the prerequisites for a viable Wikipedia in a given language?* At least good odds for one. Instinctively, I think those prerequisites would be some combination of: - number of literate speakers with Internet access (audience) - number of literate speakers with Internet access, education, and spare time (prospective editors) - availability of secondary sources in that language - availability of news sources in that language - reasonable way to type the language into a computer Of these, only the last one is something we can do something about (and indeed have been doing). I would welcome some thinking from all interested, including the Language Committee, on what might a reasonable set of criteria be for a language we would consider it reasonable to promote a _Wikipedia_ in. In this part, I agree more with you and still think that a Wiktionary and a Wikisource would help more the speakers of a particular language to enter the wiki-world, with a fully functional Wikipedia being the next stage; I still remember there was a Wikipedia, the Afar Wikipedia, with ONE article. That did not make any sense to me. M. -- *Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain. Carlos M. Colina Vicepresidente, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 | www.wikimedia.org.ve http://wikimedia.org.ve Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee Phone: +972-52-4869915 Twitter: @maor_x ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliation in username
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014, at 0:58, Isarra Yos wrote: On 20/04/14 11:50, Liangent wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote: Amir E. Aharoni, 20/04/2014 08:39: Silly technical remark: Everybody, please stop doing this with parentheses. It breaks in right to left languages. Gary-WMF is just as readable, and doesn't have this problem. Thanks for the attention. Your suggestion works against the built-in assumptions of MediaWiki for disambiguations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Pipe_trick Then Gary, WMF? Nemo Removing the affiliation from the name itself and adding it as a group would allow the mediawiki to format the name and group in a way that makes sense for the given language. Keep to the parentheses for english and such, do other things for ones where that doesn't work or wouldn't be the norm. -I Removing the affiliation from the name itself could also help to keep a history of past affiliations and address issues raised by Risker earlier. Gryllida. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
Milos Rancic, 21/04/2014 00:18: * Nemo, the right approach is: those projects failed and there are reasons for that. What are the reasons? How can we fix it in future cases? How can we revive failed projects? I don't accept not possible answer:) Sometimes you have to accept it. :) I only talk of what I know; in the case of lmo.wiki, it's not possible because lmo doesn't exist. For a milanese like me it's easier to understand French than Bergamo dialect. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
[snip] For the things we could do, I quote form other people: * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for new/endangered languages. You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just oral. or we could do both. * we can work on a kickstart Wikisource workflow, we are alreading discussing this on the Wikisource mailing list (Ganesh and other Nepalese folks are interested in developing a Nepalese Wikisource). * we can work on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary and try to takle the huge challenge of a real semantic wiktionary using Wikidata. That's a tough one, but i can't wait it to happen. All these 3 points are mid-term and reachable. as others said, they are just tools, and for preserving a language, not make it survive. Aubrey (sorry for poor english, just before coffee) On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting resources into Y. Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about this. Chris On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even though most people are bilingual or reported as bilingual in their regional language and another major language, they are more comfortable in getting education in their regional language. I'm pretty sure that there are such cases, and they should be given priority. Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks my heart to say this. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 15:25 GMT+03:00 Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com: I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting resources into Y. Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about this. Chris On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. In the case of Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic, there is a not widely known fact that he was actually hard worker willing to listen others. He was a villager from Serbia, sent to Austria and Germany to learn how to help his people. In relation to gathering spoken folk tradition, he was listening brothers Grimm. But, more importantly, the ideology and actually the final form of the modern Serbian Cyrillic alphabet, as well as Vuk's logistics in Vienna were the product of a Slovene [[Jernej Kopitar]]. In our case, we need to find those hard workers all over the small ethno-linguistic communities, explain what they should do for themselves and give them logistics. That, of course, *if* they are willing to that part of job for their communities and *if* they want to build their knowledge in the form of Wikimedia projects. BTW, I know that what I said above sounds enlightenmentish, with all of the traps of that way of thinking. However, it's not about how they should live. It's about how they could adopt our technology *if* they want. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
With this I agree. If this depended on me, I'd give this resources. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 15:43 GMT+03:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. In the case of Vuk Stefanovic Karadzic, there is a not widely known fact that he was actually hard worker willing to listen others. He was a villager from Serbia, sent to Austria and Germany to learn how to help his people. In relation to gathering spoken folk tradition, he was listening brothers Grimm. But, more importantly, the ideology and actually the final form of the modern Serbian Cyrillic alphabet, as well as Vuk's logistics in Vienna were the product of a Slovene [[Jernej Kopitar]]. In our case, we need to find those hard workers all over the small ethno-linguistic communities, explain what they should do for themselves and give them logistics. That, of course, *if* they are willing to that part of job for their communities and *if* they want to build their knowledge in the form of Wikimedia projects. BTW, I know that what I said above sounds enlightenmentish, with all of the traps of that way of thinking. However, it's not about how they should live. It's about how they could adopt our technology *if* they want. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks my heart to say this. I don't think that we are dealing here with limited resources. After we show what we are doing and how successful we are (assuming that we'll be successful, of course :D ), I am sure that funds won't be limited just on WMF's budget. However, we are dealing with limited resources at the beginning and, basically, not seen scale of the job, with a lot of potential issues. I don't think that we'll come into the stable phase in less than five years of work. And it's true that this is enough time to see negative changes in some of the languages. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about this. I mentioned Scots Gaelic with a good reason. Not counting languages with so small number of speakers, that statistics for them are not relevant and not counting Sanskrit, known to a lot of linguists, gd.wikipedia.org is Wikipedia with the highest relative number of active editors. That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how to do that. [1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/Sitemap.htm ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how to do that. In real numbers: We need there 100 active editors. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how to do that. In real numbers: We need there 100 active editors. Sorry, 70. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata IRC office hour
Hey everyone :) I'll be doing another Wikidata office hour on IRC. It will take place on May 19th at 5PM UTC in #wikimedia-office. For your timezone please see http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=Wikidata+office+houriso=20140519T17p1=136ah=1 I'll be giving a status update and then answer whatever Wikidata-related questions you have. Hope to see many of you there. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Product Manager for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
How many languages exist? |_ How many languages have written works? |_How many languages have UNICODE support? That is the max number of Wikisource projects we can create :-P 2014-04-22 15:12 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how to do that. In real numbers: We need there 100 active editors. Sorry, 70. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
Unicode support is not that big of a deal. It's growing all the time, and the Unicode standard itself is ahead of Wikipedia and will likely remain ahead of it for a while. The operating systems' actual support for it is far from perfect, but it isn't a huge in itself either. Existence of written works is not a problem in itself at all. Theoretically, a Wikipedia can be written completely based on foreign-language sources. The challenge is to actually get people who speak languages that don't have written works to start creating the first written work. It's not impossible, but it's culturally challenging. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 16:51 GMT+03:00 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada emi...@gmail.com: How many languages exist? |_ How many languages have written works? |_How many languages have UNICODE support? That is the max number of Wikisource projects we can create :-P 2014-04-22 15:12 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from 157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some ideas how to do that. In real numbers: We need there 100 active editors. Sorry, 70. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
Excellent!! Great news! Felicitaciones a todos amigos de Wikimedia México! Best regards Rodrigo Padula Wikimedia Community User Group Brasil Education Program Coordinator - Brazil Ação Educativa 2014-04-21 14:27 GMT-03:00 Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org: Dear Wikimedians, On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia Mexico! We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard work. For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to issue the Request for Proposals for 2016 by September this year. Sincerely, Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
¡Felicitaciones a los hermanos mexicanos! – Patricio On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Wikimedians, On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia Mexico! We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard work. For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to issue the Request for Proposals for 2016 by September this year. Sincerely, Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion? Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland report over March
The Wikimedia Nederland monthly report over March is available on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201403 . It is also included as text in this message. *COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors* · DBpedia - WikiData meeting Volunteers working on the DBPedia project met with volunteers working on Wikidata at the WMNL office to discuss cooperation and synergy between the projects. · Zurich Hackathon Three volunteers applied for and received scholarships to attend the Wikimedia Hackathon in Zürich. *WORK: content, collaboration and activity development* · Education Programme WMNL wants to explore the feasibility of developing a successful education programme in the Netherlands. Following a brainstorming meeting with interested community members, we issued a call for tender asking proposals concerning a first exploratory feasibility study. We received 7 responses and selected a small consultancy with a good track record in the education field. As a first step, they will interview key stakeholders. A meeting with the community is planned on May 24. More information, including the proposal of the 'winning' consultants can be found on the project page on the WMNL wiki. · Wiki Loves Earth WMNL is organising a Wiki Loves Earth competition in the Netherlands as part of wider drive to improve content and coverage of issues related to nature, wildlife and biodiversity in the Wikimedia projects. A group of volunteers is taking the lead in organising a series of activities in May. This will be done in cooperation with the Dutch National Parks. A series of activities are in preparation, including workshops on uploading images and sounds, writing events and photo-safaris. · World War II: photos of war monuments This year, improving and adding to content on the Wikimedia projects related to World War II is a priority for WMNL. As a first step a group of volunteers is organising a photo-drive to obtain images of all war monuments in the Netherlands. WMNL cooperates with the Nationaal Comité 4 en 5 mei (the official organisation in charge of remembrance). The photo-drive kicked off April 1. (Spoiler: on April 15, already 677 images had been uploaded.) · Other On March 10, Frans Grijzenhout and Wikipedian in Residence Hay Kranen demonstrated working with Wikipedia for students of the Social science dept of the University of Amsterdam. The students (bachelor level) take part in a special honors program. The theme of their course is crowd findings. On March 20, Ziko van Dijk presented Wikipedia issues at the IPON fair for educational resources, in the Utrecht Jaarbeurs. *WMNL* · General Assembly and Board elections On March 29, there was a WMNL General Assembly, which included Board Elections. Chair Ziko van Dijk and Treasurer Paul Becherer stepped down, both after having served on the Board for a good many years. Frans Grijzenhout, Ad Huikeshoven en Jan Anton Brouwer were re-elected. They were joined on the Board by newcomers André Engels, Ronn Boef, Marlon Thé and Justus de Bruijn. The General Assembly also approved the annual report and the accountsof WMNL. · Newsletter An issue of the newsletter was sent out. *FUNDING* · A private grant making foundation donated €30,000 to WMNL. This is in support of our planned work with public libraries (with a possible focus on Dutch literature and writers) and a pilot project to provide access to relevant Wikipedia articles via image recognition of objects in a museum collection. *GLOBAL* · Board Governance Training Workhop London On March 1 and 2, WMUK organised a training workshop for Board members of Wikimedia affiliates. WMNL Board member Frans Grijzenhout took part in the training. Executive director Sandra Rientjes was involved as a facilitator. *GOVERNANCE* · Reporting March was a busy month for reporting. The Annual report and accounts over 2013 were approved by the auditor. Also WMNL submitted its impact report to the Funds Dissemination Committee. · Board The (old) board met on March 13 and discussed i.a. last preparations for the annual assembly. *Upcoming* · April: War monuments photo-drive · May 24: Education Programme - presentation and discussion at the Wikimedia office in Utrecht · May - June: Wiki Loves Earth Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland tel.(+31) (0)30 3200238 mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379 www.wikimedia.nl *Postadres*: * Bezoekadres:* Postbus 167Mariaplaats 3 3500 AD Utrecht Utrecht ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:37 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I cannot cite anything, but there should be studies that show that even though most people are bilingual or reported as bilingual in their regional language and another major language, they are more comfortable in getting education in their regional language. I've not followed the referenced studies, but from about page 27 http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED540509.pdf (Why and How Africa Should Invest in African Languages and Multilingual Education: An Evidence- and Practice-Based Policy Advocacy Brief) claims this. This and maybe others are citations in Shaver, Lea, Copyright and Inequality (February 18, 2014). Washington University Law Review, Forthcoming; Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law Research Paper No. 2014-3. http://ssrn.com/abstract=2398373 a large part of which is a case study of book famine in neglected languages of South Africa. I found the paper compelling, so much so that I read it aloud for those who prefer listening https://archive.org/details/LeaShaverCopyrightAndInequality(the paper is CC-BY) and blogged about it at http://gondwanaland.com/mlog/2014/02/27/shaver-copyright-inequality/ The paper struck me as a validation of Wikimedia's language efforts so far, and an indication that these are undervalued -- I mean from a perspective recognizing their welfare contribution, not necessarily in terms of Wikimedia resources, of which I'm largely ignorant -- but despite my ignorance, maybe such valuation ought to encourage even more audacious language work, in the Wikimedia movement or nearby. I made some pedestrian suggestions in the blog post above, but let me highlight one that is pure fantasy born of my ignorance: Could recognition of the value of neglected languages provide an impetus for a new and large effort toward free software machine translation? Little progress has been made thus far, perhaps in part because some proprietary services such as Google Translate are gratis, and work for most non-neglected languages. Could redoubled effort to support neglected languages in Wikimedia projects (Wikisource translations might be especially relevant) and free/open source software projects help provide needed parallel corpora? I'm pretty sure that there are such cases, and they should be given priority. Projects that are focused on language revitalization per se should be given less priority when resources are limited, even though it breaks my heart to say this. Makes sense to me. Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland report over March
Thanks, Sandra. Especially, congratulations for your big external fund! Best Cornelius Cornelius Kibelka Twitter: @jaancornelius Mobile:+351-91-9860232 (Vodafone PT) German number currently offline On 22 April 2014 10:08, Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland rient...@wikimedia.nl wrote: The Wikimedia Nederland monthly report over March is available on meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201403 . It is also included as text in this message. *COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors* · DBpedia - WikiData meeting Volunteers working on the DBPedia project met with volunteers working on Wikidata at the WMNL office to discuss cooperation and synergy between the projects. · Zurich Hackathon Three volunteers applied for and received scholarships to attend the Wikimedia Hackathon in Zürich. *WORK: content, collaboration and activity development* · Education Programme WMNL wants to explore the feasibility of developing a successful education programme in the Netherlands. Following a brainstorming meeting with interested community members, we issued a call for tender asking proposals concerning a first exploratory feasibility study. We received 7 responses and selected a small consultancy with a good track record in the education field. As a first step, they will interview key stakeholders. A meeting with the community is planned on May 24. More information, including the proposal of the 'winning' consultants can be found on the project page on the WMNL wiki. · Wiki Loves Earth WMNL is organising a Wiki Loves Earth competition in the Netherlands as part of wider drive to improve content and coverage of issues related to nature, wildlife and biodiversity in the Wikimedia projects. A group of volunteers is taking the lead in organising a series of activities in May. This will be done in cooperation with the Dutch National Parks. A series of activities are in preparation, including workshops on uploading images and sounds, writing events and photo-safaris. · World War II: photos of war monuments This year, improving and adding to content on the Wikimedia projects related to World War II is a priority for WMNL. As a first step a group of volunteers is organising a photo-drive to obtain images of all war monuments in the Netherlands. WMNL cooperates with the Nationaal Comité 4 en 5 mei (the official organisation in charge of remembrance). The photo-drive kicked off April 1. (Spoiler: on April 15, already 677 images had been uploaded.) · Other On March 10, Frans Grijzenhout and Wikipedian in Residence Hay Kranen demonstrated working with Wikipedia for students of the Social science dept of the University of Amsterdam. The students (bachelor level) take part in a special honors program. The theme of their course is crowd findings. On March 20, Ziko van Dijk presented Wikipedia issues at the IPON fair for educational resources, in the Utrecht Jaarbeurs. *WMNL* · General Assembly and Board elections On March 29, there was a WMNL General Assembly, which included Board Elections. Chair Ziko van Dijk and Treasurer Paul Becherer stepped down, both after having served on the Board for a good many years. Frans Grijzenhout, Ad Huikeshoven en Jan Anton Brouwer were re-elected. They were joined on the Board by newcomers André Engels, Ronn Boef, Marlon Thé and Justus de Bruijn. The General Assembly also approved the annual report and the accountsof WMNL. · Newsletter An issue of the newsletter was sent out. *FUNDING* · A private grant making foundation donated €30,000 to WMNL. This is in support of our planned work with public libraries (with a possible focus on Dutch literature and writers) and a pilot project to provide access to relevant Wikipedia articles via image recognition of objects in a museum collection. *GLOBAL* · Board Governance Training Workhop London On March 1 and 2, WMUK organised a training workshop for Board members of Wikimedia affiliates. WMNL Board member Frans Grijzenhout took part in the training. Executive director Sandra Rientjes was involved as a facilitator. *GOVERNANCE* · Reporting March was a busy month for reporting. The Annual report and accounts over 2013 were approved by the auditor. Also WMNL submitted its impact report to the Funds Dissemination Committee. · Board The (old) board met on March 13 and discussed i.a. last preparations for the annual assembly. *Upcoming* · April: War monuments photo-drive · May 24: Education Programme - presentation and discussion at the Wikimedia office in Utrecht · May - June: Wiki Loves Earth Sandra Rientjes Directeur/Executive Director Wikimedia Nederland tel.(+31) (0)30 3200238 mob. (+31) (0)6 31786379
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
Thanks for the information. I've updated https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_bids based on this information. I agree with Aya that a public posting of the scoring matrix would be great as well. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper -Original Message- From: Richard Symonds [mailto:richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk] Sent: 22 April 2014 10:33 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015 Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Funding strategies
Dear all, As it happens with education program regarding the material provided like Case of Studies, Is there anything similar relative to the different funding strategies carried out by the the chapters? Thanks in advance! -- Anna Torres Adell Directora Ejecutiva *A.C Wikimedia Argentina* *Imprime este correo solo si es realmente necesario* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
I second what Amir is saying, although I understand the heartbreak. Ido On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote: Send Wikimedia-l mailing list submissions to wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org You can reach the person managing the list at wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Andrea Zanni) 2. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Chris Keating) 3. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Amir E. Aharoni) 4. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Milos Rancic) 5. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Amir E. Aharoni) 6. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Milos Rancic) 7. Re: How Wikimedia could help languages to survive (Milos Rancic) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 14:18:53 +0200 From: Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive Message-ID: CAC=VxyZAz5t13GKr9P8zFtNztQOiMwgJo+_-eECzZ-g3w= e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 [snip] For the things we could do, I quote form other people: * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for new/endangered languages. You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just oral. or we could do both. * we can work on a kickstart Wikisource workflow, we are alreading discussing this on the Wikisource mailing list (Ganesh and other Nepalese folks are interested in developing a Nepalese Wikisource). * we can work on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary and try to takle the huge challenge of a real semantic wiktionary using Wikidata. That's a tough one, but i can't wait it to happen. All these 3 points are mid-term and reachable. as others said, they are just tools, and for preserving a language, not make it survive. Aubrey (sorry for poor english, just before coffee) On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: This is not quite correct. It's very hard, but possible. But Wikimedia alone cannot do it. Wikimedia can be one of the tools that are used by the cultural elite, which Milos brought up. Each of these languages needs people like [[Pompeu Fabra]] and [[Vuk Stefanović Karadžić]] and, dare I say, [[Eliezer Ben-Yehuda]]. That's the sine qua non. Wikimedia is just a tool - a very important one, but not the main one. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore 2014-04-22 14:20 GMT+03:00 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de: Hello Milos, welcome back. Basically I agree with your attitude, with one difference: I don't think that anyone can help languages survive. What we can do, is to help conserve them. Greetings Ting ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 13:25:54 +0100 From: Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive Message-ID: CAFche1o5L12Qvr30cPJaCp7O47iVMF2ema6YZn=JX72W= ve...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'd certainly take quite a broad view of which languages fulfill our mission. Certainly I wouldn't be comfortable with arguments as simple as All people who speak Y also read X, so there's no purpose putting resources into Y. Wikimedia UK does little work with Gaelic, but quite a bit with Welsh; I wonder if Robin Owain reads this list? He's a good person to speak to about this. Chris On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015
No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference. Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do... However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes or omissions aren't repeated in future... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 22 April 2014 16:27, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion? Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to host Wikimania and I look forward to attending. Regardless, I hope when appropriate, the reasons Mexico City were chosen and where other bids could have done better will be posted somewhere for digestion as done in previous years. In particular, while the bid was clearly lacking, it would be helpful to have an official answer to why the Dar es Salaam was disqualified. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference. Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do... However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes or omissions aren't repeated in future... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Maybe start by releasing the blank grid? Meta has judging criteria, but I don't see a grid. Does the jury bottom line the grid scores and then average them up? Maybe that final score by the jury as a whole could be released to the parties who submitted bids? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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@Richard I know that no public reports were released previously. But if it starts to be a habit, it will help elevate the transparency of the process. Concerning the grid the Judges real names can be anonymized to be Judge 1, Judge 2 and so on. As for the second guessing issue, I think it can appear in many forms whether the report was published or not. As for your example, isn't it the case for all contenders (especially if they are strong ones) in any selection mechanism (be it bidding, elections or any other form) ? And Richard thank you for all your efforts as a judge and taking the effort to reply on our concerns in this thread. Holding such responsibilities is a huge burden and makes the person vulnerable to critics, whether they are deserved or not. @Nathan Totally agree! This would be a great start. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference. Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do... However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes or omissions aren't repeated in future... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Maybe start by releasing the blank grid? Meta has judging criteria, but I don't see a grid. Does the jury bottom line the grid scores and then average them up? Maybe that final score by the jury as a whole could be released to the parties who submitted bids? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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I find it difficult to believe it would be that bad. Yes, it might causes some issues if it turned out that a bid won because it was the least worst and was actually still very unpopular with the jury. However, I think people understand that no bid is ever perfect and wouldn't expect every jury decision on who hosts Wikimania to be unanimous. At the very least there should be a written explanation on what the strengths of the winning bid were, and what the problems of those that didn't were. This has been done in past years and would help prevent mistakes being repeated. Also, since Wikimania is a public conference, I think those that attend it and support it deserve to know why and how it gets to be hosted in a particular place. As someone who has followed the bidding process over multiple years, I think it is fair to say that communication between the jury and the community during the bidding process has not been as good this year as in previous years. I believe improving this should be a priority for the next round of bidding for 2016. As a member of the Scholarship Committee, I note that the scholarships process was in the past criticized for just the same issue and that has now been rectified, and from my perspective doing so has improved community confidence in the process. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper -Original Message- From: Richard Symonds [mailto:richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk] Sent: 22 April 2014 18:02 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015 No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference. Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do... However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes or omissions aren't repeated in future... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 22 April 2014 16:27, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion? Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the winner for 2015. In addition to the cities that Cooper has mentioned, I would like to know what happened with Bali's bid too. Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and all those that helped put the bid together. I believe Mexico City will turn out to be a great place to
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Michael, thanks for the recommendations. We will add this information to the public information of the event. I think most popular overland ways to come to Mexico from the States are safe, but is more safe have this information direct from the Mexico Federal Government. Regards. 2014-04-22 13:23 GMT-05:00 Christopher Cooper ct-cooper.wikimedia...@hotmail.co.uk: I find it difficult to believe it would be that bad. Yes, it might causes some issues if it turned out that a bid won because it was the least worst and was actually still very unpopular with the jury. However, I think people understand that no bid is ever perfect and wouldn't expect every jury decision on who hosts Wikimania to be unanimous. At the very least there should be a written explanation on what the strengths of the winning bid were, and what the problems of those that didn't were. This has been done in past years and would help prevent mistakes being repeated. Also, since Wikimania is a public conference, I think those that attend it and support it deserve to know why and how it gets to be hosted in a particular place. As someone who has followed the bidding process over multiple years, I think it is fair to say that communication between the jury and the community during the bidding process has not been as good this year as in previous years. I believe improving this should be a priority for the next round of bidding for 2016. As a member of the Scholarship Committee, I note that the scholarships process was in the past criticized for just the same issue and that has now been rectified, and from my perspective doing so has improved community confidence in the process. Kind regards, Christopher User: CT Cooper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CT_Cooper -Original Message- From: Richard Symonds [mailto:richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk] Sent: 22 April 2014 18:02 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015 No, Aya, I don't think there will be a public report - I don't think it's happened in previous years. I for one would not be happy with making my marking grid public because the bidders didn't know that the marking grids were going to be made public - and for that matter, neither did I! I am also a little worried about being second-guessed by the community at large. Imagine, *for example,* if the jury was split down the middle, with half hating the Mexico bid and half loving it: it could be very damaging for the volunteer team morale to show that not everyone supported them, and it might damage the conference. Perhaps in future it would be a good thing to do... However, I see where you're coming from - it would be good to have feedback on the individual bids for posterity's sake, and to make sure that mistakes or omissions aren't repeated in future... Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 22 April 2014 16:27, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Richard for the reply! Will there be any public report with a matrix indicating the scores of the bidding cities in each judging criterion? Kind Regards, Aya Saif El-yazal Mahfouz On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: Christopher, Aya, Speaking as a jury member, the reason we disqualified Bali and Dar es Salaam was that those two bids were not really complete enough to score. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT. United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects). *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.* On 21 April 2014 21:03, Aya Mahfouz mahfouz.saif.elya...@gmail.com wrote: Congratulations to Wikimedia Mexico and Mexico City! I add my voice to that of Cooper concerning the criteria of choosing the
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Hi Steven! Thanks for your comments. I'm part of the WMMX bidding team and I happen to live in the Centro Historico area (only a few bus stops away from the venue). Even though it's anecdotal, I can say that *a good deal of my free time is spent in this zone and I've never experienced crime here*. I do take precautions, but they are nothing out of the ordinary (no flashing of valuables, hailing a cab after hours, avoiding dark alleys, etc.) I will not say crime doesn't exist: it's a real risk, strongly considered when making our bid. As Ivan said, we don't want to take chances and will have additional support from the authorities (Ivan is our superstar in this regard). We believe the venue is safe and we're sure our guests will enjoy their stay here. The zone is safe for (part of) our team to live there. That said, our team (myself included) are looking forward to your questions and comments. Rest assured we will do our best to make of this the best Wikimania experience for everyone. Message: 1 Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 23:46:30 -0500 From: Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement regarding Host for Wikimania 2015 Message-ID: capftejnfyqh5xxz-6j8gr23b4o1u9fyotz-kjlgah6yglfr...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks to all for your kindly regards and comments :) Steven, concerning to the public safety, our city are different from the known issues of the northern states of the country. In the link you quote for United States citizens are properly pointed for Mexico City: no advisory is in effect. Also, the Centro Historico area (the venue are in the north of this Downtown area) is safe for tourism. But we will have in addition the special support and coordination with the Mexico City authorities for more vigilance and a special operative for reduce any risk to the minimum in the venue and their perimeter. 2014-04-21 22:55 GMT-05:00 Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.org: On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: it would be comforting to hear how we've assessed the bid regarding the safety issue, and how we're going to be prepared in case the worst (robberies, kidnappings) do happen. Not a small concern. But, I should point out, one that we've dealt with before. We had laptops stolen in Argentina, and physical safety concerns in Alexandria, as I recall. I say this not to put a panacea of oh, there there, it'll be fine in place, but to assure people that this is something that I know that Garfield and Elle, and the rest of the WMF team working on this will consider and keep in mind. :-) pb *Philippe Beaudette * \\ Director, Community Advocacy \\ Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. T: 1-415-839-6885 x6643 | phili...@wikimedia.org | : @Philippewikihttps://twitter.com/Philippewiki ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 5:18 AM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.comwrote: [snip] For the things we could do, I quote form other people: * encourage Wikisource, Commons, Wiktionary as primary projects for new/endangered languages. You could scan books or documents if the language is written, or record audio/interviews and put that on Commons if t the language is just oral. or we could do both. +1. I can imagine those working on languages already being able to do things like record vocabulary and audio clips from native speakers, which we (online Wikimedia volunteers!) can, if we have good associated metadata, help format and make available on Commons. It could be a whole outreach area into free-ing up this kind of knowledge, which we've barely scraped the surface of. Recordings of words in thousands of languages on Wiktionary! We have so much to do. To Mike's point, yes, I can imagine better translation work happening in underserved languages -- a problem for researchers and programmers and linguists to collaborate on. From the outreach point of view, I have also been kicking around the idea of using language classes to help kickstart some Wikipedias. For instance, some African language Wikipedias are so small that contributions from just a few people in an advanced class studying that language (and they do exist, though there's not a lot) could help improve the content a lot. It seems like for some languages there could be the possibility to work with specialty language institutes around the world. As for resources, it's partly money, yes -- our money is not infinite -- but even more so I think it's a problem of limited human resources, especially in the case of languages that are not spoken by many people. Finding and helping contributors who speak the language well enough, have online access, some technical skill, and are interested in contributing or translating is the major issue. That problem becomes more acute the smaller the language, which is why I like the idea of an effort to free up existing language resources. -- phoebe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Congratulations Mexico! I can't wait to visit the amazing Mexico City :) And, a big thank you to all the bidders, everyone who commented and participated, and to the selection jury, steering committee, and Ellie. This is the first year in a long time that I haven't been involved in the Wikimania selection process, and I am very pleased to have passed the torch to such capable hands :) best, Phoebe On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Ellie Young eyo...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Wikimedians, On the recommendation of the Wikimania 2015 selection Jury Committee, we have accepted the proposal from Mexico DF to host. The proposal will be further vetted by the WMF staff in the coming month, after which time we hope to confirm the award. Please join us in congratulating Wikimedia Mexico! We would also like to thank the teams from Cape Town and Monastir as well for all their effort in putting together excellent proposals for our consideration. As a volunteer-led movement, it is hugely encouraging to have so many who want to support Wikimania. The bidding process requires a substantial time investment, and we are most grateful for every team’s hard work. For those of you who are considering hosting in future years, we expect to issue the Request for Proposals for 2016 by September this year. Sincerely, Ellie Young, WMF Conference Coordinator On behalf of the Wikimania Steering Committee ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers at gmail.com * ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] The Signpost -- 23 April 2014 -- addendum
In addition to the articles listed in the previous email, we have also published an op-ed this week titled Five things a Wikipedian in residence can do by Pete Forsyth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-04-23/Op-ed Comments and thoughts are always welcome! Thanks, --Ed, *Signpost* editor-in-chief http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Education program - quality assessment
I've moved this discussion from an earlier thread. [1] There, I asked about this April 14 press release from the Wiki Education Foundation, [2] The press release ... says, 'The program, in which students write Wikipedia articles in place of traditional term papers, created the equivalent of more than 7,000 printed pages of new, high-quality content during the fall term of 2013 and the equivalent of more than 36,000 printed pages of content since its start in 2010.' Can anybody point to a source for the 7,000 printed pages of new, high-quality content during the fall term - particularly the evidence for the high quality of that content? LiAnne, the author of the press release, replied ...We've done two quality studies on articles written by students participating in the Wikipedia Education Program in the U.S. and Canada, one covering the first two terms of the pilot (fall 2010 and spring 2011) and then again a year later, in spring 2012. Here's the 2010-11:https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Student_Contributions_to_Wikipedia Here's the spring 2012:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ambassadors/Research/Article_quality/Results As you might imagine, hand-assessing two versions of an article (the version immediately prior to the student's first edit and the version it was at their last edit) is an extremely time-consuming process. Given we found pretty similar results (the vast majority of students significantly improve articles through our program), we have stopped doing these studies because they take up so much valuable volunteer time. If there were an automatic way to gauge article quality that didn't involve volunteer time, I'd love to repeat the study every term, but I haven't seen any good way of gauging article quality that doesn't involve hand assessment of articles. In terms of the 7,000 printed pages, we use WikiMetrics ( https://metrics.wmflabs.org/) to determine how much content students add to the article namespace each term. Thanks LiAnna I think you're saying 7,000 printed pages (equivalent) in total was added to the encyclopedia during the 2013 fall term by the education program. If I've got that right, is it accurate to say it was all high quality? [1] http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/foundation/442601 [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Education_Foundation/Press_Release_14_April_2014 Anthony Cole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
