[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia Foundation launches Open the Knowledge Journalism Awards on World Press Freedom Day

[Paul J. Weiss]

To me, this award is reaching well beyond the scope of what the 
Wikimedia community should be doing. It does not, to me, align with our 
Movement Strategy's recommendations 
 nor 
their initiatives 
, nor the 
WMF 2023-2024 Annual Plan 
. 
Just because something might be positive for the world or our community 
does not mean we should do such. As a gay man, I appreciate all the 
literature awards for LGBT+ books, but I would not support such an award 
from the WMF or the community. Where would this stop? Is it in scope for 
us to give an award for scientific research? Social justice activism? 
Translation software? These could all be beneficial to our community, 
but I don't think it would be appropriate for us to take on those endeavors.


In addition I am concerned this award will have negative effects on our 
fundraising. I would expect that some donors, if they found out we are 
awarding $3,500 to journalists in no way connected to our wikis, might 
be less likely to donate. I think this kind of thing has happened to 
other non-profits.


We are stretched too thin enough already. I believe that we should stick 
to our core activities, which stem from the documents linked to above.


Thanks,
Paul
User:Libcub

On 2023-05-04 1:47 PM, Olushola Olaniyan wrote:


*Dear all,
*

*
*

*My name is Olushola (User: Olaniyan Olushola). I am from Africa and 
have been a Wikimedia since 2014 and passionate about language. I 
co-lead the Oral History documentation of Nigerian indigenous 
languages ( see more about it **here* 
* ). 
*I am part and parcel of the working group for this Journalism Award. 
Together with other community members and some foundation staff, we 
have co-created the submission guidelines and award criteria, 
including that articles should be English language articles published 
in a major outlet.



Everything regarding the rationale for this award is being done in 
consultation with members of our African communities, aligned with our 
goals to increase exposure for the work we love in the region and 
close knowledge gaps.



One thing to mention is that articles about Africa, especially written 
by journalists with a local perspective, must be better represented in 
our language Wikipedias, including English.



With this being a brand-new initiative, it was the best time to learn.


It is a pilot, and we all see this as an experiment to draw more 
attention to journalists' important role as content creators on 
Wikipedia.



You will agree that we need to celebrate existing journalism 
excellence that helps fill knowledge gaps online.



The working group conferred, and since this is a pilot, we decided 
together that it was a good idea to consider the need to limit the 
scope to collect data and insights easily. We understand the sentiment 
behind language in Africa and beyond, and we always wanted to keep 
everything simple. We know that no language is superior to the other, 
so this is a pilot. From here, we will likely assess the impact we can 
have before scaling.



We wish to expand this initiative with more regional volunteers should 
it succeed - and we hope it will.



We already have more than a hundred entries!


Thank you

Shola


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

[Paul J. Weiss]

To expand on the last part of my previous post, one of the things that
Peter and other posters are doing that is problematic in my eyes is
phrasing their opinions as fact. It is quite clear to me why Dan was put on
moderation. So it is a false statement to say that "this is patently
unclear". I believe that opinion should be stated as such. When I see
opinion being spun as fact, I am less interested in reading the rest of
such a message, and that writer loses credibility in my eyes.

Paul

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
From: "Peter Southwood" 
Date: 9/11/20 4:20 am
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 

In that case, can we please have an explanation of exactly how the relevant
text was found to be inappropriate, as this is patently unclear, and
apparently the reason for all this debate. I have my own speculation, but as
it is speculation, it would be inappropriate to publicise unless there is no
official explanation.
Cheers,
Peter

-Original Message-
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Of Asaf Bartov
Sent: 11 September 2020 11:46
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

No, it is not "forbidden words" that are the problem, and we have no
intention of maintaining a list.

We expect list subscribers to maintain civil discourse, which does include
avoiding vulgarity, and expressing oneself with respect to both one's
interlocutors (or addressees of criticism) and the broader audience.

Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do
without effort.

As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not
preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely
to be heard.

A.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 12:26 Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable
> expressions, and how they are determined?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Anders Wennersten
> Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
>
> There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find
> that expression offensive and unacceptable.
>
> Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures
> and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a
> valid judgment for all, and why do you want us to leave this list just
> so you can use a language like that. (I certainly would if that was
> accepted as a norm)
>
> The language on this list is English, it means we non-native have to
> adjust our entries to a unfamiliar language. It mean we have to limit
> our means of expression (we will not be experts on nuances). You who
> are native English speaker have all the advantages, would it then be too
> hard for you to adjust you language to what is acceptable to us others?
>
> Anders
>
>
> Den 2020-09-11 kl. 09:31, skrev Benjamin Ikuta:
> >
> > Please, enlighten me.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
> >
> >> Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta
> >> :
> >>> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do
I
> have a deeply flawed understanding of civility?
> >> Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might
> >> theoretically be the case, at least partially?
> >> Kind regards
> >> Ziko
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

[Paul J. Weiss]

I for one very much appreciate that the moderators put Dan on moderation. I
support sanctions for insulting and rude behavior. Peter--if you are
looking for exact, quantitative criteria, you aren't going to get it. This
is about impact of communication on the receiver, not specific words used
by the sender. I know that I sometimes come across as being uncivil and/or
disrespectful. I appreciate when someone points out a specific example,
because that provides me an opportunity to change to more civil- and
respectful-sounding communication, which will have a better chance of
succeeding (in whatever the purpose of my communication is).

Many posters seem, like Peter, to want quantitative, legalistic, binary
"right/wrong" guidance. Considering the gender identities "man" and
"woman", this preference is more typical of men than women in "Western"
civilization. Many women (and some men) prefer more qualitative,
contextual, nuanced guidance. (I don't know prevalences for other gender
identities.) I think it is important to understand that our personal
preference is not automatically the preference of others.

Personally, I hope the moderators are considering moderation for several
posters beyond Dan.

Paul

- Original Message -
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
From: "Asaf Bartov" 
Date: 9/11/20 2:46 am
To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" 

No, it is not "forbidden words" that are the problem, and we have no
intention of maintaining a list.

We expect list subscribers to maintain civil discourse, which does include
avoiding vulgarity, and expressing oneself with respect to both one's
interlocutors (or addressees of criticism) and the broader audience.

Happily, this is something more than 99 percent of subscribers manage to do
without effort.

As I have repeatedly clarified, respectful discourse absolutely does not
preclude criticism. Indeed, it is liable to make the criticism more likely
to be heard.

A.

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020, 12:26 Peter Southwood 
wrote:

> Is there somewhere we can refer to the list of offensive and unacceptable
> expressions, and how they are determined?
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On
> Behalf
> Of Anders Wennersten
> Sent: 11 September 2020 10:33
> To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review
>
> There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find
> that expression offensive and unacceptable.
>
> Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures
> and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a
> valid judgment for all, and why do you want us to leave this list just
> so you can use a language like that. (I certainly would if that was
> accepted as a norm)
>
> The language on this list is English, it means we non-native have to
> adjust our entries to a unfamiliar language. It mean we have to limit
> our means of expression (we will not be experts on nuances). You who
> are native English speaker have all the advantages, would it then be too
> hard for you to adjust you language to what is acceptable to us others?
>
> Anders
>
>
> Den 2020-09-11 kl. 09:31, skrev Benjamin Ikuta:
> >
> > Please, enlighten me.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:39 PM, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
> >
> >> Am Fr., 11. Sept. 2020 um 08:07 Uhr schrieb Benjamin Ikuta
> >> :
> >>> Is there some context that makes this much worse than it seems, or do
I
> have a deeply flawed understanding of civility?
> >> Well, are you open to consider the possibility that the latter might
> >> theoretically be the case, at least partially?
> >> Kind regards
> >> Ziko
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

[Paul J. Weiss]

"but with more than 700 respondents it is not methodologically sound to
change the survey now"

This is preposterous and incredibly disrespectful to the community. It is
not methodologically sound to continue a biased survey. If the Board and
WMF truly want a methodologically sound survey, they would immediately stop
the current one, and rewrite a new one, designed with minimal bias. If some
survey asked about ethnicity, and left off "Black/Afican American" as an
option, would you still continue the poorly written survey? As I have said
before, you have staff with survey expertise--use them!

This is yet another sign that those in charge do not truly want to know how
the community feels about the rebranding initiative. Y'all say "Branding
should protect and improve the reputation of the movement". That is
becoming harder and harder to believe. Not stopping a biased survey clearly
damages the reputation of our brand. I wonder if it is time to fork
Wikipedia.

Paul
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At 2020-06-26  04:27 p, you wrote:

Dear all, I want to share with you the next steps of the Wikimedia
Foundation Board of Trustees about the Brand Project. Originally the Board
meeting dedicated to the brand project was supposed to happen no earlier
than October. The expected outcome from the project were the
recommendations on what the rebranding should look like - from changing
fonts/logos to renaming. And if there is going to be a renaming - to what.
Of course, the Board’s role is not in approving a change in fonts, but if a
recommendation to rename was to be made - the Board’s role would have been
to make a decision on that recommendation. The timeline has now been
changed, and the renaming part of rebranding will be discussed in our
August meeting. Moreover, the Board will meet in early July to receive a
briefing about the project and talk about the process between June 2018 -
June 2020. The consolidated materials on what the brand project team has
been working on for a while now will be presented to the Board, and these
materials are also going to be posted publicly. The more-strategic
conversation is planned for the August meeting. Time to prepare the
materials is needed, and the ongoing conversations need to be summarised,
so the Board can have an in-depth discussion about this, before making any
kind of decision. We would like to continue with the survey [1] - we have
discussed the possibility of technical changes to the survey with an
additional option like “no renaming is needed” (not the exact words, mind
you), but with more than 700 respondents it is not methodologically sound
to change the survey now. Staff have confirmed to the Board that responses
to the survey will not be calculated as support for a change. The survey
was only designed to collect feedback on the possible renaming options, not
as a yes/no vote on whether to adopt them. Thus the timeline on rebranding
for the next 6-7 weeks is as follows: * Early July - special Board meeting
with the Brand project team to review and discuss the process so far, and
for the Board members to receive the briefing on discussions happening; *
July - consolidated materials prepared for the July meeting will be posted
publicly after the meeting; * August 5th - the Board meeting on renaming
part of the rebranding, not about the process. The Board will make the
decision about whether to stop, pause, or continue the work on this, within
the framework of a discussion on strategic goals, tensions and tradeoffs,
and potential next steps. * August (after the meeting) - the Board
statement on the next steps about the Brand project. I also want to
acknowledge receiving the Community open letter on renaming [2] that was
posted this week. Thank you for this statement on the position of those of
you who signed. I know there are other perspectives, and that some would
agree with it who have not signed it, and that there are also some who
would not agree. We expect that the Board meetings and communication after
them will address the concerns raised in the letter. Stay safe, antanana /
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[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative:: Other

[Paul J. Weiss]

[From my comments in the rebranding survey]

Other

"We network around our best-known brand to connect the movement together".
That feels like marketing-speak. It is unclear what you are trying to
communicate. I do not think that contributors of non-WP projects want to
"network" around Wikipedia.

The lack of hierarchy in names is detrimental to communication and
understanding of our work.

Paul Weiss
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[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: Name of WMF

[Paul J. Weiss]

[From my comments in the rebranding survey]

Name of WMF

To me a trust implies one party relegating authority over a resource to a
second party, who is expected to manage it well, and return it at some
point to the first party or a third party. I do not see the WMF's role as
including such as a notion. I also do not think that including "Trust"
makes it any clearer that the WMF is where to go for legal issues. (Also, I
do find it ironic that the proposal suggests incorporating the word "Trust"
in the name of WMF, given how low the community trust in WMF is.)

"Wikimedia Organization" does not sound like the name of something, but
rather a general description of it.

"Wiki" is too generic to refer to WMF projects--there are far too many
other wikis in the world. I have to say I am truly astonished to see this
presented as a legitmate option. Various other wiki communities (such as
those at fandom.com) would be understandably furious with WMF for trying to
co-opt "Wiki" for themselves. How could that possibly not be damaging to
our reputation?

I think "Foundation" is a good word to describe what WMF does.

Paul Weiss
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[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia

[Paul J. Weiss]

[From my comments in the rebranding survey]

Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia

Our overall community centers around the current Wikimedia concept, not
Wikipedia. Naming the whole from one its parts is ambiguous, confusing, and
disrespectful to non-Wikipedia projects. The majority of the population of
the United States is white, but it would be absolutely preposterous to
rename the country to the White United States of America, even if that is
how people in other countries (and Americans) think of it.

We are not selling a product or service. I think it is _good_ that some
organizations and people do not know about our plethora of projects, as
that gives us an opportunity to talk with them about the other projects. I
believe that changing the name to "Wikipedia" will make it more difficult
to get outsiders to pay attention to non-Wikipedia projects.

I believe that moving to "Wikipedia" will damage our reputation. In
addition to the reasons above, it will likely alienate at least some of
those involved in non-Wikipedia projects. It could turn the community into
the Wikipedia community, as our other projects fade away.

Paul Weiss
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[Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on the rebranding initiative: "Movement"

[Paul J. Weiss]

[From my comments in the rebranding survey]

"Movement"

Please stop calling us a "movement". I am an active Wikipedia contributor,
but I do not feel part of a movement. Know that I feel excluded when we are
referred to as a movement. I would guess that most Wikimedians do not
consider themselves part of a movement. I feel that I am part of the
Wikimedia _community_.

Note that in the English Wikipedia the title of the relevant article is
indeed "Wikipedia community", _not_ "Wikipedia movement" (which is a
redirect). In fact, the word "movement" does not appear in the main text of
the article at all. "Wikimedia movement" is the title of its article, but
it is described as "the global community of contributors to Wikimedia
Foundation projects". A community of contributors is not the same thing as
a movement. I would say that none of the definitions given in the
Definitions section of the Social movement article apply to us.

One significant problem to using "movement" is that some, including the
WMF, exploit the connotations of the word towards social justice, or a
"greater good", as a rationalization for behaviors that a community might
not support (and in many cases our community has indeed opposed WMF's
behavior). Another is the implication that there is basically a core set of
beliefs and priorities that all those involved support. This is clearly not
the case in the Wikimedia community. I also think there is an assumption
that in a movement, there are institutions that those in the movement
explicitly or implicitly authorize to speak for them. Again, clearly this
is not the case in the Wikimedia community overall.

Paul Weiss
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

[Paul J. Weiss]

I share the time concerns that Pine and Todd addressed. But my larger
concern is about the purpose of this next community conversation. You say
that the core team will summarize the community input, and then the
community will have a week to "suggest changes to the posted summary so
that it accurately reflects their viewpoints". So it seems that while
WMF wants to know how the community feels about the upcoming strategy
document, it is not giving the community any say, at this point in the
process, of the content of that document. So then why bother having another
community conversation at this juncture? Why take up so much community time
to develop responses to a document that will a priori not change based on
those responses? That seems to be a textbook case of how to get
dissatisfaction and disillusionment. Although I would prefer for the
community to still have a say in things, if the sense is that the document
really is done, maybe it should just be sent to the BOD now, saving 8 or
more weeks of time.  If the community conversation does go ahead, I think
it is very important to make it very clear what will be and won't be done
with the responses, allowing community members to make informed decisions
about how much time and effort to devote to the conversation. It took a
couple of read-throughs for me to realize that there will be a response
summary and suggestions to that document, but no further round of revision.

Thanks,
Paul


At 2020-01-13  11:46 p, you wrote:

I would tend to agree. This process has been ongoing for many months now,
and the community raised substantial concerns about the initial proposals.
Whether deliberate or not, allowing only a week for discussion of the final
product seems an attempt to ram it through. Surely longer than a week can
be allowed for discussion of such a critical item. Todd On Mon, Jan 13,
2020 at 11:25 PM Pine W  wrote: > Hi Nicole, > > After
reading this email, and taking into consideration a discussion that >
happened during the January online meeting of United States Wikimedians, I
> feel that the timeline here is aggressive and likely to result in
problems. > In particular, giving the core team one week to review feedback
and giving > the community one week to review the core team's summary seem
risky at > best, even if everyone is communicating in English. When taking
into > account the need for translations,my guess is that one week is an >
impossibly short timeframe for quality work in these phases of the strategy
> process. > > I suggesting adding at least one more week to the timeframe
for the core > team to review feedback including translations of comments,
and at least > three more weeks for conversations with the community
regarding the core > team's summary. > > I am concerned that this process
may be heading toward a rushed and chaotic > finish. > > Pine > (
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The wikisites looks like 1996

[Paul J. Weiss]

"I think we all generally endorse incremental improvements, instead
of drastic overhauls."

Um, that is clearly not true, since otherwise, for example, the original
poster would not have sent out his message.

For readers, I think many, if not most, would want a look and feel that
works for them, aesthetically and functionally, regardless of how much a
redesign was evolutionary or revolutionary. Many websites have gone through
major redesigns successfully. (And of course some have been utter
disasters, but many of those disasters came about because of poor design,
not just because the design was a significant departure from the previous
design.)

For WMF wikis with very small editor bases, the degree of change may be
less important than the quality of the change. A meaningful change, however
small or large, may enable that community to recruit new editors who were
previously turned off by wiki syntax (or other) complexities.

As a WP editor myself, I would absolutely welcome a drastically different
design, if it were a great design, that facilitated the editing and reading
activities I want to engage in, and was pleasant to the eye. I welcome each
change, regardless of size, that is an improvement.

One side benefit of a revolutionary design change is that it can make
long-term users reassess their use of a website, sometimes discovering a
"new" feature, which has actually been there all along, nevertheless
creating more engaged users. Another, I imagine, is that often there is a
spike in word-of-mouth surrounding a major redesign, which can also have
positive recruitment effects. A third might be that a drastic redesign
would re-level the playing field, so to speak. New editors might be less
subject to poor conduct from some long-term editors who lord their arcane
wiki knowledge over newbies.

Paul
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Chief of Community Engagement to leave the Foundation

[Paul J. Weiss]

I find the disbanding of the Community Engagement department at WMF to be
quite concerning. I will go so far as to say that I view it as a mistake
that will have negative impacts well into the future.

For one thing, the structure of an organization is in some sense a
statement of priorities. I believe this move does indeed say to employees,
the community, allied organization, and the rest of the world that the WMF
is now placing less value on engaging the community. Given that many in the
community have been feeling this already, this is not an opportune time to
make this transition, even if it were a good idea for other reasons.

Another issue is the specific placement of individual teams. For example,
you say that returning the Trust & Safety team to the Legal department is
intuitive. It certainly is not to me, and that move in particular is
concerning. The team's homepage on Meta states that it "identifies, builds
and – as appropriate – staffs processes which keep our users safe; design,
develop, and execute on a strategy that integrates legal, product,
research, and learning & evaluation to proactively mitigate risk as well as
manage the overall safety of our online and offline communities when
incidents happen." The legal aspect is only one of many in the team's
purview, and hopefully not a large one.

In my experience, units within legal departments take a very legalistic
view of their work. As one example, many colleges and universities have an
office for students with disabilities. In the US, those that are in legal
or policy departments tend to focus very much on doing the minimum they
have to do under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), rather than
being student-centered. (This is the case here at the University of
Washington.) Compare this to the focus of units for women, students of
color, etc., often hierarchically under student services, who are much more
proactive and supportive.

I definitely do not want Trust & Safety to narrow its focus to ensuring
enforcement & reducing liability. As you know, legal but negative behavior
is a significant threat to the future of Wikipedia and sister projects. The
team needs to be organizationally placed to maximize, not minimize, its
access to resources, the community, and other staff as well as its impact.
Placing it in Legal could, for example, decrease significantly contact and
trust from our community members whose experience with laws is that they
are used as weapons and tools to oppress rather than engendering fairness
and cooperation.

Please, please carefully consider the all ramifications of this
reorganization before it is implemented.

Thank you,
Paul Weiss
Libcub on en.wp

- Original Message -
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation Chief of Community Engagement
to leave the Foundation
From: 'Katherine Maher' 
Date: 11/15/19 3:36 pm
To: 'Wikimedia Mailing List' 

Hello everyone,

I am writing to let you know that Val D’Costa, Chief Community Engagement
Officer, is leaving the Wikimedia Foundation. I also want to share some
changes we’re making around how the Foundation organizes staff in the
Community Engagement department.

Val joined us last January, bringing nearly three decades of experience
launching and growing international initiatives in emerging markets. With
the Wikimedia 2030 movement strategy as a guide, Val and her team drafted
an ambitious new vision for the work of Community Engagement—focused on
decentralization of power and resources, safe and welcoming spaces,
equitable collaboration, increased language and cultural fluency, dedicated
programs for groups such as women and young people, and expansive
partnerships in service of free knowledge.

With this vision in hand, Val and I both see this as the right juncture for
her to move on to her next professional challenge. While she will be
leaving the position of Chief of Community Engagement, she will remain on
as a consultant to me for a brief period.

I am deeply appreciative of Val’s time with us at the Foundation and want
to thank her for the contributions she has made to the Wikimedia movement.
She has been a passionate and persuasive advocate for our mission and
pushed us to expand our vision of what could be possible for our movement.
I wish her the absolute best in what she does next.

*== What comes next for Community Engagement ==*

I'll be direct -- we are making changes to the CE department structure.

We will not be starting a search for a new Chief of Community Engagement.
Instead, over the course of the next few weeks, the seven teams currently
within the Community Engagement (CE) department will be integrated into the
Foundation’s other departments. By January, all of the teams will have
joined their new departments, and “Community Engagement” will no longer be
a standalone department.

The teams currently in CE will be integrated with other Foundation
departments aligned with executive leadership goals and based on their
scope and 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikidata now officially has more total edits than English language Wikipedia

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

El mié., 20 mar. 2019 a las 7:48, Ariel Glenn WMF ()
escribió:

> Only 45 minutes later, the gap is already over 2000 revsions:
>
> [ariel@bigtrouble wikidata-huge]$ python3 ./compare_sizes.py
> Last enwiki revid is 888606979 and last wikidata revid is 888629401
> 2019-03-20 06:46:03: diff is 22422
>
>
This is the escape velocity, I think that Wikipedia will never surpass
Wikidata again.

The singularity is near.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for Wikimania '18 Program Committee Members

[J.]

Count me in:
Wayne Calhoon
[[User:Checkingfax]]
925-391-0007
j.blackm...@gmail.com
(please notice the dot between the "j" and the "b")

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Ellie Young <eyo...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We are looking for members of the 2018 Wikimania program committee.
>
> The committee will help put together the program and schedule for
>
> Wikimania 2018, to be held on July 18-22  in Cape Town,  South Africa.
>
> https://wikimania2018.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania
>
> Committee member responsibilities include helping promote the call for
>
> presentations,  recruiting speakers, and reviewing program
>
> submissions. Review dates this year will be in the March-April timeframe
> ​.​
>
> ​P
> rogram committee members
> ​will need to c
> ommit to having availability
>
> for reviewing submissions and weekly meetings during this time.
>
> Themes of the conference include the advancement of Free Knowledge,
>
> the role of academic and cultural institutions within the movement, privacy
>
> and rights, and the role of technology to further those objectives.
> Wikimania 2018
> ​ ​
> will specifically focus on the gaps - gender, cultural, demographic and
> knowledge -
> ​ ​
> and strategies for reducing them.
>
>
> If you are a Wikimedian interested in building a great Wikimania
> ​ based around the above the​me
> , you
> ​ ​
> are welcome to apply! We are especially looking for committee members
> ​ ​
> with experience with (one or more of) sister projects, non-English
> ​ ​
> speaking communities, technical projects, or GLAM and education
> ​ ​
> projects.
>
> ​ ​
>
> Please let us know if you are interested by contacting
>
> wikimania-program@lists. wikimedia.org with your name, interest, and
>
> availability. We will be forming the committee quickly.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Liam Wyatt, Emna Mizouni, and Felix Nartey
>
> Program Committee Co-Chairs, Wikimania ‘18
>
> ​
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A fundraising banner we'd like to try in a short test

[J.]

I like it. Gets right to the point. However, the wording is weasely: e.g.-
"averaging about $15". I would vote to have it say "$18" and omit the
redunantly redundant weasely "averaging about", then put a button for
$1.50, recurring monthly. That will hit the $18. I am not sure why y'alls
say "averaging about $15" and then ask for $3. Ask for $18, broken down to
$1.50 per month. Anybody can afford that without risk of maxing out their
charge card. Having fun! Cheers! Wayne

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:28 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie)  wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 3:35 AM, geni  wrote:
>
> > On 14 November 2017 at 22:12, Samuel Patton 
> wrote:
> > > If you have thoughts on this design, please share them here. There will
> > be
> > > more opportunities for you to weigh in if this banner variant looks
> > > promising enough to keep testing.
> > >
> > > Regards and sincere thanks for all you do.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Covers up half the periodic table on:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodic_table?banner=dsk_p1_
> > lg_right10=US=1
> >
> > In fact lets just face it this thing does not like tables:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_400mm_lens?banner=
> > dsk_p1_lg_right10=US=1
> >
> > It overlaps longer equations (see around the Efficient methods section):
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Approximations_of_%CF%80?
> > banner=dsk_p1_lg_right10=US=1
> >
> > I suspect it also breaks with lilypond but I don't have an example to
> hand
> >
>
> It would be more accurate to say that it overlaps content that overflows
> the 'content' div, whatever the reason for the overflow. And it may lead to
> overflow in more situations, since it reduces the area available to the
> content div. The usual horizontal scrolling that happens for content that
> overflows the content div doesn't work right with the banner in place
> because the scrolling takes effect on the body element rather than the
> content div. Using the close button on the banner does seem to return these
> pages to the status quo.
>
> I see the Timeless skin has a vaguely similar issue (without the banner).
> That skin does apply the horizontal scrolling to the content div, but the
> scrollbar is way at the bottom of the page instead of at the bottom of the
> screen.
>
>
> --
> Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
> Senior Software Engineer
> Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] Will you be at the WMF mothership Wednesday evening?

[J.]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco in you are at the Wikimedia
Foundation mothership!

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather for the
'''Bay Area WikiSalon''' series to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new
projects and ideas.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers
and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is
available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages (including
beer and wine) plus light snacks.

We will have some announcements and lightning talks from the floor, and a
breakout session. This is our one year anniversary, so there will be cake!

Please RSVP here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_April_2017

... and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. This also
helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in. If you do not have
time to RSVP, go ahead and crash the gates and Stephen will get you in!

See you soon! {{u|Checkingfax}} (Wayne) and {{u|Ben Creasy}} (co-organizers)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Let's go gender neutral

[J.]

Instead of:
* A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used.
How about:
* The artist must be given attribution when an image is reused.

Cheers! Wayne Calhoon (AKA Checkingfax)

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[Wikimedia-l] Tonight is Bay Area WikiSalon at Noisebridge in SF and you are invited!

[J.]

Hi, Everybody.
We are reaching out to any Wikimedians or WMF staffers that might be at the
Wikimedia mothership in San Francisco today. We are meeting at Noisebridge
hackerspace/makerspace (near 16th ST BART in SF) tonight and everybody is
invited.

Details and RSVP (helps us figure out the food and if you need any special
food or have special needs):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_March_2017

(RSVP is optional, but encouraged)

Hope to see you there! Wayne Calhoon (co-organizer)
925-899-4051
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[Wikimedia-l] Bay Area WikiSalon is meeting at Noisebridge

[J.]

Hi, everybody.
If anybody is going to be in San Francisco on Wednesday, March 29 at 6 p.m.
I wanted to alert you that we will be having an installment of the Bay Area
WikiSalon series at Noisebridge makerspace/hackerspace (temporary change of
venue).

Details and to RSVP (suggested):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon,_March_2017

There will be guided tours of Noisebridge too.
Hope to see you there!
Wayne Calhoon (AKA Checkingfax) - co-coordinator
925-899-4051
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[Wikimedia-l] Bay Area WikiSalon for February 2017

[J.]

Hi, y'all.
Is anybody traveling to the WMF offices in San Francisco next week?

It is that time of the month. Everybody is invited. Newcomers and old hands
welcome. Wi-Fi is available. Snacks and refreshments will be served,
including adult beverages.

Details and to RSVP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_February_2017

Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2017
Time: 6-8:30 p.m.

See you soon!
Wayne Calhoon
Ben Creasy
and Stephen LaPorte
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[Wikimedia-l] WD16

[J.]

Hi. Everybody is invited. SF's is today, Sunday afternoon, as are several
others. For details, to RSVP, and to see the other US Birthday
celebrations, go here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/SF/Wikipedia_Day_2017

These are drop-in, drop-out events.

Cheers! Wayne Calhoon, co-organizer for SF
925-899-4051
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

[J.]

"Rogol",
Have you ever edited a Wikipedia article?[1] We are here to build a quality
encyclopedia, not make popcorn!
Wayne
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Rogol+Domedonfors

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Gerard,
>
> (big snip)
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rogol,
> > When I check out your profile, you are retired.
>
(big snip)
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[Wikimedia-l] Heads-up on Wikipedia Day 16 San Francisco

[J.]

Heads-up to any Wikipedia/Wikimedia peeps or interested parties that are
going to be in the SF Bay Area on Sunday, January 15, 2017 starting at 2
p.m.:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/SF/Wikipedia_Day_2017

Hope you can make it. Be sure to RSVP. Cheers! Wayne Calhoon (and Ben
Creasy and Stephen LaPorte) - co-organizers.
[[User:Checkingfax]]
925-899-4051

PS: Please join in and add your edits to the event page and to its talk
page! It is a wiki! We can also use your help, if you are up to it. Put
your name somewhere on the volunteer list.
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[Wikimedia-l] Livestream and archive links for Wikipedia Teahouse presentation

[J.]

Hi, y'all.
Coming up tomorrow, Wednesday, December 21 at 6 p.m. PDT is the monthly Bay
Area WikiSalon series. We will have a livestream and archive for the
benefit of remote Wikimedians or those unable to attend for one reason or
another. The topic will be the Wikipedia Teahouse and the presenter is well
respected Wikimedian Jim Heaphy [[User:Cullen328]]

The livestream will start at 6:30 p.m. PDT and will conclude before 7:15
p.m.

* Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeJim1n2uiY

* Details about Bay Area WikiSalon for December:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_December_2016

The full title of Jim's presentation is: Welcoming and Helping New Editors:
A Month at the Wikipedia Teahouse: an overview of the Teahouse and an
analysis of over 300 Teahouse conversations during the month of August, 2016

Jim gave a longer version of this presentation in October at WikiConference
North America 2016 in San Diego, California.

Cheers! Wayne (and Ben) - co-organizers
Wayne cell: 925-899-4051
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Implementing Katherine's Vision: "Discussing Discussions"

[J.]

Hi, y'all.
I apologize that I could not figure out how to snip this message with a
Gmail reply.

Scott: Do not forget "Email this user" (from user and talk pages) in our
contact methods.
Cheers! Wayne Calhoon
[[User:Checkingfax]]
925-899-4051
Co-coordinator: Bay Area WikiSalon [1][2][3]
[1] Meta planning page: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_WikiSalon
[2] Forward facing public page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon
[3] November event page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bay_Area_WikiSalon_November_2016

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 11:35 AM, C. Scott Ananian 
wrote:

> A few weeks ago our Executive Director gave a talk on "Privacy and
> Harassment on the Internet" at MozFest 2016 in London.  I encourage you to
> read the transcript:
>
> https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Privacy_and_Harassment_on_the_Internet
>
>
> Katherine argued that the Wikimedia project can take a lead role in
> creating a culture of respect and inclusion online.  I whole-heartedly
> agree, and I hope you all do too.  She concluded with:
>
> "We have a lot of work to do. I know that. We know that. As Molly’s story
> > illustrates, we are not there yet."
>
>
> I'd like to open a broader discussion on how we get "there": how to
> build/maintain places where we can get work done and control abuse and
> vandalism while still remaining wide open to the universe of differing
> viewpoints present in our projects.  We can't afford to create filter
> bubbles, but we must be able to provide users safe(r) spaces to work.
>
> By habit I would propose that this be a technical discussion, on specific
> tools or features that our platform is currently missing to facilitate
> healthy discussions.  But the "filter bubble" is a social problem, not a
> technical one.  Our project isn't just a collection of code; it's a
> community, a set of norms and habits, and a reflection of the social
> process of collaboration.  A graph algorithm might be able to identify a
> filter bubble and good UX can make countervailing opinions no more than a
> click away, but it takes human will to seek out uncomfortable truth.
>
> So although my endgame is specific engineering tasks, we need to start with
> a broader conversation about our work as social creatures.  How do we work
> in the projects, how do we communicate among ourselves, and how do we
> balance openness and the pursuit of truth with the fight against abuse,
> harassment, and bias.
>
> Let's discuss discussions!
>
> Here are some jumping off points; feel free to contribute your own:
>
> We currently use a mixture of Talk pages, Echo, mailing lists, IRC,
> Phabricator, OTRS, Slack, Conpherence, and Google Doc on our projects, with
> different logging, publication, privacy/identity, and other
> characteristics.  I tried to start cataloging them here:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> November/085542.html
>
>
> Because of this diversity, we lack a unified code of conduct or mechanism
> to report/combat harassment and vandalism.
>
> Matt Flaschen replied in the above thread with an update on the Code of
> Conduct for technical spaces:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016-
> November/085542.html
>
> ...which should definitely help!  The creation of a centralized reporting
> mechanism, in particular, would be most welcome.
>
> I created a proposal for the Wikimedia Developer Summit in January
> discussing "safe spaces" on our projects:
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149665
>
> Subscribe/comment/click "award token" to support its inclusion in the dev
> summit or to start a conversation there.
>
> I have another, broader, proposal as well, on the "future of chat" on our
> projects:
>
> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T149661
>
> Subscribe/comment/click "award token" there if that angle piques your
> interest.
>
> It seems that "groups of users" arise repeatedly as an architectural
> meta-concept, whether it's a group of collaborators you want to invite to
> an editing session, a group of users you want to block or ban, a group of
> users who belong to a particular wikiproject, or who watch a certain page.
> We don't really have a first-class representation of that concept in our
> code right now.  In previous conversations I've heard that people "don't
> want  to turn into another facebook" and so have pushed
> back strongly on the idea of "friend lists" (one type of group of users) --
> but inverting the concept to allow WikiProjects to maintain a list of
> "members of the wikiproject" is more palatable, more focused on the editing
> task.  From a computer science perspective "friend list" and "member of a
> wikiproject" might seem identical--they are both lists of users--but from a
> social perspective the connotations and focus are significantly different.
> But who administers that list of users?
>
> Perhaps we can build a system which avoids grappling with user groups
> entirely.  It was 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Congratulations for the stub creation, they are good (and better that those
handmade stubs in other languages).

About the Wikidata placeholder project, it sounds very interesting.

2015-09-06 2:40 GMT+02:00 Anders Wennersten :

> Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of geographical
> related items from all over the world.
>
> Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several
> months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and
> notability issues. While the quality in some regions is substandard (and
> these will not be generated) it was seen as very good in most areas.  In
> the discussion  I was intrigued to learn that identical Arabic names should
> be transcribed differently depending on its geographic location. And I was
> fascinated of the question of notability of wells in the Bahrain desert
> (which in the end was excluded, mostly because we knew too little of that
> reality)
>
> In this run Lsjbot has extended its functionality even further then when
> it generated articles for species. It looks for relevant geographical items
> close to the actual one: a lake close by, a mountain and where is the
> nearest major town etc.
>
> Macedonia  can be taken as one example. Lsjbot generated over 1
> articles (and 5000 disambiguous pages) making it a magnitude more than what
> exist in enwp. Also for a well defined type like villages, almost 50% as
> many has been generated than existing in enwp. One example [2] where you
> can see what has been generated (and note the reuse of a relevant figure
> existing in frwp). Please compare the corresponding articles on other
> languages in this case, many having less information than the bot generated
> one.
>
> The generation is still in early stage [3) but has already got the article
> count for svwp to pass 2 M  today.  But it will take many months more
> before completed and perhaps more M marks will be passed before it is
> through. If you want to give feedback you are welcome to enter it at [4]
>
> Anders
> (with all credits for the Lsjbot to be given to Sverker, its owner, I am
> just one of the many supporters of him and his bot on svwp)
>
> [1]
> http://www.geonames.org/about.html
>
> [2]
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaki_%28ort_i_Makedonien%29
>
> [3]
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategori:Robotskapade_geografiartiklar
>
> [4]
>
> https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndardiskussion:Lsjbot/Projekt_alla_platser
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

2015-09-06 13:22 GMT+02:00 Steinsplitter Wiki :

> Hoi,
>
> "Article Placeholders are automatically generated content pages in
> Wikipedia or other mediawiki projects displaying data from Wikidata."
>  Seriously? RobotWiki? Do we really want this? Quality, not quantity.
>
>
Yeah. I REALLY want this.


> > From: gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2015 11:35:31 +0200
> > To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] LsJbot and geonames
> >
> > Hoi,
> > As always I have been a big fan of the wonderful work that has been done.
> > My reaction was very much for what I perceived as a negative reaction
> from
> > Ricordisamoa. Telling you to stop and become part of Wikidata is a bit
> off.
> > Asking for collaboration and work towards a common goal, a goal that you
> > very much want to share as I perceive it in your reply is most wonderful
> > and most welcome.
> >
> > When your data is at a quality level where you create stubs, it is very
> > much at the level where we should have it in Wikidata. Obviously it is
> for
> > the Swedish community to have the stubs or experiment with cached
> articles
> > based on Wikidata data. Obviously, we are at a point where we can create
> > the stubs and where caching concepts is technically feasible but not
> > something we have done so far.
> >
> > What does it take to have such an experiment?
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> > On 6 September 2015 at 11:23, Anders Wennersten <
> m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > At svwp we work closely with Wikidata and see it as the natural base
> for
> > > our article substance. And we follow closely Phabricator and are eager
> to
> > > implement it as soon as it will be feasible to implement. And Lsjbot
> is in
> > > no way counteractive to these. It will be easy to exchange Lsjbot
> article
> > > with Phabricator generated ones when time is right.
> > >
> > > But I believe you miss the point with what Lsjbot is doing now.  The
> > > extensive research etc done on data in Geonames is one of the crucial
> > > efforts. And in a way all this generation project is a research on the
> > > viability to use this data for full in all language versions. If it
> still
> > > is seen as viable we could extend our article coverage for geographical
> > > entities with a factor 10 in all versions. And this research is a must
> even
> > > independently of which technique is used to generate the articles.
> > >
> > > The other crucial effort is the extended intelligence built into the
> > > generation of  facts in the articles. To find out close by physical
> object
> > > by clever algorithms is a intellectual effort of highest dignity. First
> > > when bot generating was introduced, it was more or less a mapping of
> items
> > > from input to items in output (in articles). We now see how more info
> is
> > > created by info only implicit existing in input and where it is
> combined
> > > with external (map) data
> > >
> > > I can not enough press on how much I am impressed by Sverkers
> outstanding
> > > intellectual effort and his creativity in implementing and running
> software
> > > that is of great help reaching our common vision "free knowledge for
> all".
> > >
> > >  Anders
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2015-09-06 kl. 08:50, skrev Gerard Meijssen:
> > >
> > >> Hoi,
> > >> PLEASE reconsider. A Wikidata based solution is not superior because
> it
> > >> started from Wikidata.
> > >>
> > >> PLEASE consider collaboration. It will be so much more powerful when
> > >> LSJBOT
> > >> and people at Wikidata collaborate. It will get things right the first
> > >> time. It does not have to be perfect from the start as long as it gets
> > >> better over time. As long as we always work on improving the data.
> > >>
> > >> PLEASE consider text generation based on Wikidata. They are the
> scripts
> > >> LSJBOT uses, they can help us improve the text when more or better
> > >> information becomes available.
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>   GerardM
> > >>
> > >> On 6 September 2015 at 08:25, Ricordisamoa <
> ricordisa...@openmailbox.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Proper data-based stubs are being worked on:
> > >>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/project/profile/1416/
> > >>> Lsjbot, you have no chance to survive make your time.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Il 06/09/2015 02:40, Anders Wennersten ha scritto:
> > >>>
> > >>> Geonames [1] is a database which holds around 9 M entries of
> geographical
> >  related items from all over the world.
> > 
> >  Lsjbot is now generating articles from a subset of it, after several
> >  months of extensive research on its quality, Wikidata relations and
> >  notability issues. While the quality in some regions is substandard
> (and
> >  these will not be generated) it was seen as very good in most
> areas.  In
> >  the discussion  I was intrigued to learn that identical Arabic names
> >  should
> >  be 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Wikimania 15 videos

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Thanks for this Ivan!

The last time I enjoyed Wikimania talks were Wikimania Argentina (2009),
because there were some in Spanish too. I can write in English but
listening is a bit hard for me.

Subtitles are necessary to make the talks accessible to everybody, not only
non-English speakers but also deaf people.

If I can help transcribing or whatever, just contact me.

2015-09-05 5:46 GMT+02:00 Ivan Martínez :

> Sorry for the crosspost.
> Thanks,
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ivan Martínez 
> Date: 2015-09-04 22:38 GMT-05:00
> Subject: Wikimania 15 videos
> To: "Wikimania general list (open subscription)" <
> wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org>
>
>
> Hi everyone, the featured speakers videos are up now, both on Commons and
> Youtube. We have two versions of each speaker, the original audio and the
> simultaneous translation English or Spanish according to the case.
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2015_presentation_videos
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxdLXCagb6RAiK9w2y0DsDUzWF7dgj7j-
>
> Our volunteers will work in the next months in the closed caption of each
> talk. Will be very nice if we can have many translations many languages as
> possible.
>
> We have pending only the publication of the Wikimania 15 documentary, that
> will be premiered soon at National Film Archive of Mexico (Cineteca
> Nacional) and TV UNAM, public digital TV with national reach, and then
> shared by all our channels. Stay tuned!
>
> Thanks again for the great moments we lived in Mexico City.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> *Iván Martínez*
>
>
> *Presidente - Wikimedia México A.C.User:ProtoplasmaKid @protoplasmakid*
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Future of Wikipedia

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

It is interesting to see the reactions, but it just shows the change in how
information is saved, disseminated and consumed, from analog to digital
medium.

I am more worried about how many encyclopedias have closed in the last
years. We are moving to a world where Wikipedia is the de facto
encyclopedia. This have evolved faster than the concentration of media
ownership,[1] and it is dangerous in my opinion. Furthermore, references
are links to published works, and who decides what is published or not? The
big media and publishing companies.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_of_media_ownership

2015-07-14 22:22 GMT+02:00 Renata St renataw...@gmail.com:

 Hi.

 So I saw this YouTube video yesterday about kids reacting to printed
 encyclopedia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7aJ3xaDMuMnoredirect=1

 It made me sad. And very fearful of the future of Wikipedia.

 These kids do not appreciate knowledge and information because they grew up
 with its abundance. When I was growing up (and I am only 30), printed
 encyclopedia was the only research tool. These kids will never know the
 frustration when you tried looking something up in those dusty volumes only
 to find minimal information (stub) or, worse yet, nothing on the topic.
 And the nagging feeling it left you with because your curiosity was not
 satisfied and you thirsted for more, but there was nothing else! And so
 when Wikipedia came around it was this wondrous thing where information was
 seemingly limitless and endless. And it was expanding at dizzying speeds.
 And you could add more! It was the answer to my childhood fantasy of having
 the limitless encyclopedia that answered every questions. And it filed my
 heart with joy and satisfaction not unlike the joy of a child in candy
 story (yes, I am a geek).

 Those kids never deprived of knowledge and information will never know how
 precious it is. They will not have the same love that is required to edit
 Wikipedia and write quality articles. And it makes me sad.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Cinema editathon

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

I like cinema and I'm really happy of seeing this.

This list needs some help
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_film_archives

2015-02-09 17:04 GMT+01:00 Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com:

 Dear all, we are very pleased to announce our first editathon Wikipedia ama
 el cine (Wikipedia Loves Cinema), an editathon focused in improve articles
 related to Cinema of Mexico in Spanish Wikipedia. Of course all the support
 from the whole Wikimedia community to write about the theme will be very
 welcome!


 https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Encuentros/Editat%C3%B3n_Wikipedia_ama_el_cine

 This is the first activity as a party of a new agreement with Cineteca
 Nacional, the main film archive of our country.

 Best,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

[Allan J. Aguilar]

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Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
 status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
 

Thank you, Yana.

However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
visual guidelines.

Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
http://freedomdefined.org) or not?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

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 Hi folks,
 
 I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
 Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
 https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
 

Great news! But I'm wondering: if the CC BY-SA allows commercial use
but the trademark does not, will there be any conflict? Could I now sell
T-shirts with the Wikipedia logo on them?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rarest records

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwXayHbUQ2o
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Record-Rama


2014-08-04 16:11 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:

 This is a good read in its own right:


 http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/07/amanda_petrusich_s_do_not_sell_at_any_price_reviewed_by_sarah_o_holla.html

 but the thesis that some 78rpm records constitute the only surviving
 example of a particular recording, with no master in an archive
 somewhere, sent chills up my spine.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How Wikimedia could help languages to survive

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

How many languages exist?
 |_ How many languages have written works?
 |_How many languages have UNICODE support?

That is the max number of Wikisource projects we can create :-P


2014-04-22 15:12 GMT+02:00 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:

 On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
  That means that it's the best starting point to raise that number from
  157 per million to ~1000 per million. If WM UK would be successful in
  achieving that goal, we'd know that it's possible. And we'll have some
  ideas how to do that.
 
  In real numbers: We need there 100 active editors.

 Sorry, 70.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dells are backdored

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2013/12/29 Leslie Carr lc...@wikimedia.org

 On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 5:17 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 29 December 2013 12:55, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Can we please stop paying the Microsoft and NSA taxes
 
 
  The WMF doesn't.
 
 
 
  and start buying
  datacenter equipment which costs a lot less? Cubieboard/Cubietrucks for
  instance?
 
  Ref.:
 
 
 http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-nsa-has-back-doors-for-numerous-devices-a-940994.html
 
  Best regards,
  James
 
 
 
  Using non standard data center equipment is a great way to add costs.
 

 Naw, it's a great idea.  Let's switch to building our own ARM-based
 servers (by the way, which have already been a flop commercially),
 using only unproven, low-volume available motherboards and having to
 buy and assemble all of the rest of the components.  And then of
 course, we need to design our own cases... and since these have such a
 low performance, we'll need to have a lot more rack and datacenter
 space, of course which comes with a cost... and we'll have to figure
 out how to run our caching layers which require large amounts of
 memory... and our storage layers which require large amounts of disk
 space.  At that point we'll probably need to redesign those boards
 which are incapable of doing these things, so we'll need a team of
 hardware engineers, plus a deal with a manufacturing plant.

 So... I think with about a 100 million dollar per year research budget
 we can do this.  Who's ponying up? ;)


Funny huh?

If we use free software, I don't see why we can't move to open-source
hardware ASAP.



  As for security given the limited resources the WMF has whenever GCHQ,
 FSB
  and MSS have wanted to get in they have and there is nothing we can do
  about this.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Old Wikipedia logo is still widely used - what can we do?

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Put a big red notice in the old images page descriptions saying that the
logo is deprecated and that the new logo is available in [link to the new
version]. So when people click on them from Google, they will read it.


2013/12/20 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il

 Hallo.

 The old version of the puzzle globe Wikipedia logo was retired in 2010.
 It had wrongly painted letters in several languages as well as some
 graphical imperfections. The current logo has correct letters and improved
 vector graphics quality.

 Despite the replacement having taken place almost four years ago, I still
 see the old logo in news stories about Wikipedia in many languages every
 few days. I find it very frustrating.

 One likely reason for this is that Google images search shows mostly images
 of the old logo when queried for wikipedia logo.

 Can we do anything about it? My SEO skills are about non-existent. A
 Facebook friend suggested changing the title of the Commons file
 File:Wikipedia-logo.png to File:Wikipedia-logo-v1.png and
 File:Wikipedia-logo-v2.svg to File:Wikipedia_logo.svg. This sounds
 reasonable, though it may have considerable technical implications.

 Is there anything else we can do?

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[Wikimedia-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Quote from full announcement
http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html

We have released over a million
imageshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibraryonto Flickr Commons
for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
 were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books digitised
 by 
 Microsofthttp://pressandpolicy.bl.uk/Press-Releases/The-British-Library-19th-Century-Book-Digitisation-Project-343.aspxwho
  then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
 them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a startling
 mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
 illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
 colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more that
 even we are not aware of.


Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
Example of all images from a book
http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory

So... :-)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Looks like NSA has bought some new hard drives and needs moar data.


2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com

 Hoi,
 But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen
 by many more people, they do us a service.

 In the end it is what we are about. Last thing I heard we were first of all
 about getting the knowledge out there.
 Thanks,
   GerardM


 On 23 August 2013 12:14, Jens Best jens.b...@wikimedia.de wrote:

  Nothing good comes with people like Mark Zuckerberg or Peter Thiel, they
  don't share our vision of a *really* free and open internet. So,
 actually,
  Emmanuel, I couldn't care less which direction they gonna make their next
  moves. It will all be a disguise of what they really attempt and with
 whom
  they really cooperate.
 
  It's time to realize that there isn't a shared vision of the web between
  Silicon Valley and Wikimedia. Their words are empty. When they speak of
  freedom, they speak of the freedom of money and control. Just because
 they
  use the word internet they don't speak of the same thing we do.
 
  Jens
 
  2013/8/23 Emmanuel Engelhart kel...@kiwix.org
 
   Le 23/08/2013 10:59, Kul Wadhwa a écrit :
I have my concerns as well so we're watching how things unfold for
 now.
Perhaps to add to Teemu's question (If I could be so bold) how would
internet.org need to evolve to make it worth our time and effort to
 be
involved?
  
   If what I fear becomes real, then I would be sad that our movement
 joins
   such a dishonest project.
  
   If they want to give access to a subset of Internet services and adapt
   their communication (honesty about the product), then we face a
 dilemma.
   A dilemna between our wish to give access to our content (tactical
 move)
   and the one of having a free, neutral and un-clustered Internet
   (strategical view)... Big discussions in view, but we already have done
   it with Wikipedia zero and I know the WMF tends to be pragmatic in such
   situations ;)
  
   If they really want to help to give a neutral access to internet...
 then
   this is really a dream we should be part of!
  
   But, this is all about speculations...
  
   I just wanted to explain why this launch doesn't sound well to my
 hears.
   But I know nothing about their real intentions and concrete projects.
   That's why, it's IMO urgent to wait... and see in which direction they
   will make the next moves.
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

This may work very fine for little stubs about repetitive stuff, like the
introductions of cities (location, population, foundation date, country,
etc). But, how will that work for the rest of sections of Berlin (history,
geography, politics...)? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin


2013/8/7 Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de

 I have been thinking about this for a while, and now finally managed to
 write it down as a proposal. Details are on meta on the following link,
 below is the intro to the proposal:

 
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_multilingual_Wikipedia
 

 I tried to anticipate some possible questions and provide answers on the
 page. Besides that, I obviously hope that Wikimania could provide a place
 to start this conversation. And yes, I am aware that the proposal would
 lead to a very restrictive solution, but imagine what good it already could
 achieve! And since it is not meant to replace anything, but enrich our
 current projects... well, read for yourself.

 Cheers,
 Denny


 Wikipedia provides knowledge in more than 200 languages. Whereas a small
 number of languages are fortunate enough to have a large Wikipedia, many of
 the language editions are far away from providing a comprehensive
 encyclopedia by any measure. There are several approaches towards closing
 this gap, mostly focusing on increasing the number of contributors to the
 small language editions or to improve the provision of automatic or
 semi-automatic translations of articles. Both are viable. In the following
 we present a proposal for a different approach, which is based on the idea
 of multilingual Wikipedia.

 Imagine a small extension to the template system, where a template call
 like *{{F12}}* would not be expanded by a call to the template
 Template:F12, but rather to Template:F12/en, i.e. the template name with
 the selected language code of the reader of the page. A template call such
 as *{{F12:Q64|Q5519|Q183}}* can be expanded by Template:F12/en into
 *“Berlin
 is the capital of Germany.”* and by Template:F12/de into *“Berlin ist die
 Hauptstadt Deutschlands.”* (in the example, the template parameters Q5119,
 Q64 and Q183 refer to the Wikidata items for capital, Berlin and Germany
 respectively, which the templates query for the label in the respective
 language). Sentence by sentence could be created in order to provide for a
 simple article.

 That wiki would consist of *content*, i.e. the article pages, possibly just
 a simple series of template calls, and *frames*, i.e. the templates that
 lexicalize the parameters of a given template call into a sentence (Note
 that “sentence” here should not be considered literally. It could be a
 table, an image, anything). The implementation of the frames can be done in
 normal wiki template syntax, in Lua, in a novel mechanism, or a mix of
 these. This would be up to the communities creating them.

 Read the rest here:
 
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_multilingual_Wikipedia
 

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A proposal towards a multilingual Wikipedia

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Most times the best approach is a compilation of several approaches.

Perhaps we can use the Denny system for the little introduction of articles
(for example: geography, biographies) and optional automatic translation
for the rest of the article.

I mean, if you follow a red link in a little Wikipedia, it loads the i18n
template + wikidata bits, so you have a brief summary about the topic. Then
you can save that live generated stub, and expand it (using
autotraslation from other WIkipedia).


2013/8/7 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

 Thanks for sharing your very interesting ideas. While I am not fully
 support your idea of implementation, I share your basic view of the need
 and think some of the concepts you introduce has a very high potential to
 better utilize the power of us having many versions.

 I have put in my feedback on the talkpage and hope there will be a
 possibility to evolve this concept further in some type of workgroup. I
 also see an interesting relation to the talk of machine translation where I
 believe we can do a lot very quickly if we limit the vocabulary to be
 included in such a tool

 Anders


 Denny Vrandečić skrev 2013-08-07 02:20:

  I have been thinking about this for a while, and now finally managed to
 write it down as a proposal. Details are on meta on the following link,
 below is the intro to the proposal:

 http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_**
 multilingual_Wikipediahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_multilingual_Wikipedia
 

 I tried to anticipate some possible questions and provide answers on the
 page. Besides that, I obviously hope that Wikimania could provide a place
 to start this conversation. And yes, I am aware that the proposal would
 lead to a very restrictive solution, but imagine what good it already
 could
 achieve! And since it is not meant to replace anything, but enrich our
 current projects... well, read for yourself.

 Cheers,
 Denny


 Wikipedia provides knowledge in more than 200 languages. Whereas a small
 number of languages are fortunate enough to have a large Wikipedia, many
 of
 the language editions are far away from providing a comprehensive
 encyclopedia by any measure. There are several approaches towards closing
 this gap, mostly focusing on increasing the number of contributors to the
 small language editions or to improve the provision of automatic or
 semi-automatic translations of articles. Both are viable. In the following
 we present a proposal for a different approach, which is based on the idea
 of multilingual Wikipedia.

 Imagine a small extension to the template system, where a template call
 like *{{F12}}* would not be expanded by a call to the template
 Template:F12, but rather to Template:F12/en, i.e. the template name with
 the selected language code of the reader of the page. A template call such
 as *{{F12:Q64|Q5519|Q183}}* can be expanded by Template:F12/en into
 *“Berlin
 is the capital of Germany.”* and by Template:F12/de into *“Berlin ist die
 Hauptstadt Deutschlands.”* (in the example, the template parameters Q5119,
 Q64 and Q183 refer to the Wikidata items for capital, Berlin and Germany
 respectively, which the templates query for the label in the respective
 language). Sentence by sentence could be created in order to provide for a
 simple article.

 That wiki would consist of *content*, i.e. the article pages, possibly
 just
 a simple series of template calls, and *frames*, i.e. the templates that
 lexicalize the parameters of a given template call into a sentence (Note
 that “sentence” here should not be considered literally. It could be a
 table, an image, anything). The implementation of the frames can be done
 in
 normal wiki template syntax, in Lua, in a novel mechanism, or a mix of
 these. This would be up to the communities creating them.

 Read the rest here:
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/**wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_**
 multilingual_Wikipediahttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_proposal_towards_a_multilingual_Wikipedia
 



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] NSA

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

It is funny (but also sad) to see how people thought that Internet privacy
was respected in Western world. Almost 99% only worried about China/Iran
Internet monitoring and censorship but we had here the most comprehensive
spy system logging every site you read.

Wake up!
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Picturing Canada: historic Canadian photography now on Commons

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Very interesting. Congrats!


2013/7/1 Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk

 Hi all,

 Today, the British Library announced the Picturing Canada project to
 mark Canada Day (1st July). Those of you who were at GLAM-Wiki in
 April may remember this collection: it's a digitisation of the
 Canadian Copyright Collection, 1895-1924, covering photographs
 deposited for copyright registration in Canada during this period.
 There's currently about 2,000 photographs, many of which are
 composites of multiple images stuck together; all are available as
 full-resolution TIFFs and JPEGs.

 There's more files still trickling up - including some interesting
 aerial photographs, panoramas, and a collection of official
 photographs from WWI - but almost all of the general images are now
 online, and we're now just adding the oddities. Including the official
 photographs, this will total around 4,000 works. Please do take a look
 - there's some marvellous material in there.

 WMF: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/01/picturing-canada/ (in
 English and French; translation by Benoit Rochon)
 BL:
 http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/americas/2013/07/happy-canada-day.html
 Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picturing_Canada

 Thanks to Wikimedia UK and the Eccles Centre for American Studies for
 funding this, and to Phil Hatfield at the British Library for
 championing the collection!

 Andrew.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots)

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Seriously, are we discussing again about bot stubs yes, bot stubs no?

Those users who want to submit complete 10-page articles, can move to the
defunct Nupedia or the 'vibrant' Citizendium.

This eternal discussion is so boring.


2013/6/18 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de

 On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs
 wrote:
  On 18/06/13 01:04, Martin Rulsch wrote:
 
  As far as I know, that's even planned by the Wikidata team.
 
 
  It isn't exactly planned by the Wikidata tema, a volunteer would need to
 do
  it.

 What exactly are you talking about being planned by the team? I'm not
 sure we're all talking about the same thing.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with support of bots)

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Impressive numbers. Congrats.

Can we have those species stubs and lakes in English Wikipedia?


2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

 Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing was a
 bot generated article of a butterfly http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**
 Erysichton_elaborata http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata.

 The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the
 database  Catalogue of Life http://www.catalogueoflife.**
 org/services/res/2011AC_**26July.ziphttp://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC_26July.zipwhich
   (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5
 million species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has
 generated just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues...

 The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board
 http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**Johanssonhttp://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johanssonand
  is in his civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also
 a guest lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the
 last couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in
 Cebuano-Wikipedia 
 http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Unang_Panidhttp://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panidand
  supporting their local community, and he is now running his bot on
 their wikipedia as well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia
 http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Syahan_nga_Paklihttp://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli.
 So perhaps at the end of the year these two language versions will also
 pass the 1 million mark!

 Anders
 PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is also
 making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WikiData and WikiSpecies

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

Alex


2013/6/6 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com

 Ziko van Dijk, 06/06/2013 15:00:

  I also think that it should not be seen as blasphemy when someone suggests
 to reconsider a Wikimedia project. (Remember Asaf's session in Milan.)
 Isn't Wikispecies not already redundant because in Wikipedia every species
 is notable anyway?


 What Wikipedia are you talking of? sv.wiki, en.wiki, others or all?

 Nemo


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[Wikimedia-l] New Wikimedia-l administrator/moderator

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

Please join me in welcoming our new Wikimedia-l list
administrator/moderator, Richard Ames. Richard is a retired electronics
technician and computer scientist living in Sydney, Australia. He started
using the 'Internet' in 1981 to read USENET FAQs and communicate by email.
He has been a Wikipedia editor since 2004 as User:Ariconte. He is a member
of the FDC advisory group.

I will remain on as administrator/moderator for a short transition period.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] endangered languages project

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Idea: Wiki Loves Languages (similar to WLM)


2013/5/23 phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com

 Perhaps of interest to many Wikimedians: the Endangered Languages project
 recently launched a new layout, making it easier to find and submit
 information on languages that are in the catalog of endangered languages
 that they are building. Worth a look.
 http://www.endangeredlanguages.com/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Thanks. I have discovered some estimations of lakes for more countries, but
no datasets.

Belarus: 11,000+
Canada: 31,752+ larger than 3 km² (2-3 million in total)
Estonia: 1,000+
Finland: 187,888 lakes 500 m² or larger (56,000 over 10,000 m²)
Latvia: 3,000+
Lithuania: 3,000+
Norway: 450,000+


2013/5/17 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

 Sorry not, and what we have learned is how hard is to to define what a
 lake is

 In Swden some mention there are 200 000 lakes, and that the Hydrology
 authority has data of over 150 000  but where less then 75 000 has a name
 and many with just rudimentary data. The lakes with environment impact data
 are 7 233 and in this project data with 100 dataitems per lake are
 collected from three authorities,  and articles are generated into sv:wp
 for 57 648 (not 30 000) lakes. Only around a few percent of these are
 without name and the most common name is used by 645 unique lakes... (just
 to take care of the forkpages is a science in its own)

 Anders



 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada skrev 2013-05-17 18:06:

 Very cool project. Do you know how many lakes are there in other European
 countries (or website/datasets)?

 It is for this
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User:Emijrp/All_human_**knowledge#Lakeshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Lakes

 2013/5/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

  A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes
 (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced based
 on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake environment
 data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to register
 and
 track all data of lakes in all Europe.

 The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take
 care
 of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with
 the
 same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

 Examples
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp:**
 //sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%**96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
 
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunnhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn


 Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do not
 know the name (and for the ones missing name)
 https://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~**para/**https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=http://toolserver.org/~para/**
 cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%**
 253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%
 2525B6pings_kommunhttps://**maps.google.com/maps?q=http://**
 toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/**kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%**
 26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%**2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%**
 2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_**kommunhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 
 or
 http://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%**
 2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%**
 3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%**
 2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommunhtt**
 p://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=**http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%**
 2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%**2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%**
 26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%**2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%**
 2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_**kommunhttp://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 


 As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even
 thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.

 We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in
 Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to
 generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database
 extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs

 We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really
 happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other
 authorites
 who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases used to
 generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all archaeological
 excavations sites, all artworks placed on official grounds etc)

 Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one come
 further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] All the lakes in Sweden

[Emilio J . Rodríguez-Posada]

Very cool project. Do you know how many lakes are there in other European
countries (or website/datasets)?

It is for this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Emijrp/All_human_knowledge#Lakes

2013/5/16 Anders Wennersten m...@anderswennersten.se

 A new major botgenerating effort is now under way on sv:wp. All lakes
 (3, all down to ones of pondsizes with no name) is now produced based
 on lake data from Swedish metereology institute and all lake environment
 data from a newly set up authority demanded by EU, in order to register and
 track all data of lakes in all Europe.

 The articles are generated by AWB and with some manual effort to take care
 of text in existing articles and a major effort taking care of all with the
 same name (Little lake, Black lake etc)

 Examples
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%**C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5landhttp://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96ren,_Sm%C3%A5land
 http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Bunn http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunn

 Also on maps from Google or Bing you can localize all lakes if you do not
 know the name (and for the ones missing name)
 https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=http://toolserver.org/~para/**
 cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%**3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%**
 253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%**2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%**2525B6pings_kommunhttps://maps.google.com/maps?q=http://toolserver.org/~para/cgi-bin/kmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun
 or
 http://www.bing.com/maps/?**mapurl=http%3A%2F%**
 2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%**2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%**
 3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%**3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%**
 2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%**2525C3%2525B6pings_kommunhttp://www.bing.com/maps/?mapurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolserver.org%2F%7Epara%2Fcgi-bin%2Fkmlexport%3Fproject%3Dsv%26article%3DKategori%253AInsj%2525C3%2525B6ar_i_J%2525C3%2525B6nk%2525C3%2525B6pings_kommun

 As you can see the text is substantial around 5000 characters and even
 thing like fisharts in the lakes are generated from databases.

 We are now starting to contemplate to put these type of basedata in
 Wikidata (we are experimenting with this for some adm units), and to
 generate the articles from that as a base instead of from database
 extracted from the authorities and put on personal PCs

 We have excellent relations with involved authorities that are really
 happy with the result, and we are now being approached by other authorites
 who wants to follow and get their data from theirs databases used to
 generate qualified Wp articles (like all runestones, all archaeological
 excavations sites, all artworks placed on official grounds etc)

 Are there any other effort like this going on, especially if any one come
 further in establish links from authorities databased to wikidata?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for Wikimedia-l list administrator-moderators

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

As a reminder, the deadline for applications is this evening at 23:59 UTC.

Alex


2013/5/1 J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov alexandrdmitriroma...@gmail.com

 We are looking for new administrator-moderators for Wikimedia-l. Ryan
 Lomonaco left the team a while ago, and I plan on stepping down as soon as
 the new team is on board.

 The main role of an administrator-moderator is to approve or deny posts
 that get held up in the moderation queue (post made by non subscribers,
 posts with attachments, posts to multiple addresses, posts sent by
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 basic list administration, such as helping users to subscribe or
 unsubscribe manually from the list.

 Anyone interested in joining the team should send an email to *
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 - Wikimedia username
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Please send this to the list, thanks: Subject: Program Evaluation and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

Forwarding per request.
Alex


-- Forwarded message --
From: Sarah Stierch sstie...@wikimedia.org
Date: 2013/5/8
Subject: Please send this to the list, thanks: Subject: Program Evaluation
and Design Workshop - Apply to attend! - June 22-23, Budapest
To: wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org


[please pardon this crossposting]

Hello everyone!

I am pleased to announce the first Program Evaluation and Design Workshop!

   - *When*: 22–23 June 2012
   - *Where*: Budapest, Hungary

The application process is now open. We have only 20 slots available for
this workshop and the application deadline ends on May 17th. This two-day
event will be followed by a pre-conference workshop at Wikimania 2013.
Ideally, applicants would commit to attending both events.

*Why are we offering this workshop?* Over the next couple of years, the
Wikimedia Foundation will be building capacity among program leaders around
evaluation and program design. A better understanding of how to increase
impact through better planning, execution and evaluation of programs 
activities will help us to move a step closer to achieving our mission of
offering a free, high quality encyclopedia to our readers around the world.

*What will take place at this and the following workshops?* Our long-term
goals are:

   1. Participants gain a basic shared understanding of program evaluation
   2. Participants will work collaboratively to map and prioritize
   measurable outcomes, beginning with a focus on the most common program 
   activities
   3. Participants will gain increased fluency in common language of
   evaluation (i.e. goals versus objectives, inputs  outputs versus outcomes
impact)
   4. Participants will learn and practice how to extract and report data
   using the UserMetrics API
   5. Participants will commit to working as a community of evaluation
   leaders who will implement evaluation strategies in their programmatic
   activities and report back at the pre-conference workshop at Wikimania 2013
   6. …and participants will have a lot of fun and enjoy networking with
   other program leaders!

We will publish a detailed agenda for the event in Budapest soon on meta.

*Which programs  activities are we going to focus on?* During the workshop
in Budapest, we will only have a limited amount of time. Therefore, we will
be focusing on the some of the more common programs  activities:

   - *Wikipedia editing workshops* where participants learn how to or
   actively edit (i.e. edit-a-thon, wikiparty, hands-on Wikipedia workshop)
   - *Content donations* through partnerships with GLAMs  related
   organizations
   - *Wiki Takes/Expeditions* where volunteers participate in day/weekend
   events to photograph site specific content
   - *Wiki Loves Monuments* which takes place in September
   - *Education program/classroom editing* where volunteers support
   educators who have students editing Wikipedia in the classroom
   - *Writing competitions* which generally take place online in the form
   of contests, WikiCup, and challenges – often engaging experienced editors
   to improve content.

 *Who should apply?* Community members who play an *active role* in
planning and executing programs  activities as described above in the
Wikimedia community. Your experience and knowledge will make this workshop
a success!

*What about the costs for travel and accommodation?* Hotels, flights and
other transportation costs will be on your chapter; the Wikimedia
Foundation will provide the venue, handouts, breakfasts and light lunches,
and a dinner for all participants on Saturday. If you're not affiliated
with a chapter and cannot afford to attend the event, please send me a
private email – we have a small amount of money set aside for those cases.

Applications are open until May 17. You can apply via this Google
Formhttps://docs.google.com/a/wikimedia.org/forms/d/11yCoOls5ae8FqAXIdp9Tua76ilVQGUNKWMVSktCQBRU/viewform
.

Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to a great group of
participants!
-Sarah

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Wikimedia Foundation Program Evaluation  Design Community Coordinator
*Donatehttp://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Donate/enutm_source=utm_medium=utm_campaign=language=enuselang=encountry=USreferrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CDMQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdonate.wikipedia.org%252F%26ei%3DYpsET93HN6isiQLIoJjSDg%26usg%3DAFQjCNG-7hzT9rkEvAjlNqBIOQ1ZDIpdYAtoday
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[Wikimedia-l] Looking for Wikimedia-l list administrator-moderators

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

We are looking for new administrator-moderators for Wikimedia-l. Ryan
Lomonaco left the team a while ago, and I plan on stepping down as soon as
the new team is on board.

The main role of an administrator-moderator is to approve or deny posts
that get held up in the moderation queue (post made by non subscribers,
posts with attachments, posts to multiple addresses, posts sent by
moderated users, etc.). Occasionally an administrator-moderator has to step
in when a discussion gets out of hand. Even more rarely the role involves
basic list administration, such as helping users to subscribe or
unsubscribe manually from the list.

Anyone interested in joining the team should send an email to *
wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org* no later than 23:59 UTC on the 10th
of May. Please include the following information:

- Wikimedia username
- Projects you are active on
- Any roles you serve on those projects (e.g. administrator, bureaucrat,
WikiProject coordinator, clerk, mediator, etc.)
- Any other information that may be pertinent to the role

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking for Wikimedia-l list administrator-moderators

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

If your concern is in assessing whether or not a candidate is suitable to
administer and moderate the list, then it can be a factor to take into
account. I don't however agree that it should be a prerequesite. The
software is trivially easy to learn to use. I had no prior experience, and
I don't think I broke anything in the last two or so years of using it.
What is far more important, as far as I am concerned, is having people able
to judge how and when it is appropriate to intervene when threads
occasionally get unruly.

Alex


2013/5/1 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com

 On 1 May 2013 19:48, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

  Considering the centrality of this list, let's add a criterion of has
  managed a Mailman list before, shall we?  It would be a huge waste of
  everyone's time if a complete novice were to push the wrong buttons. :)


 It's actually pretty easy even if you've never seen it before, IME.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

These were attempts by jokoswt to subscribe to the list, which when I
checked the membership list, he/she had managed to do.

Alex


2013/4/20 Shlomi Fish shlo...@shlomifish.org

 Hi jokoswt,

 [ please reply to all recipients (Hit Reply all). ]

 On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 16:19:58 +0700
 joko...@gmail.com wrote:

  Join member wiki. Thank you.
 

 What do you mean exactly? It's hard to understand your English.

 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New design for the list info page?

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

We can debate the details, but the principle of giving the front end a lick
of paint appeals.

What would make me very happy would be changes in the administrative
interface, which currently reminds me of the old Honeywell 6000 series I
first used.

Alex


2013/4/17 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com

 Thehelpfulone wrote:
 Last week I noticed a nice design for the list info page of the WLM-US
 mailing list that I tweaked for this mailing list:
 https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/cabal-l

 Unquestionably a major improvement over the default mailman theme. I'm not
 sure I love the black background, but it would be great to see any forward
 progress here, particularly if we can switch the default theme (affecting
 all lists). It's pretty... dated currently. :-)

 http://www.freecsstemplates.org/ is the site where this proposed theme
 came from. It may have some other themes worth investigating.

 Thank you for working on this!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

An area perhaps for the Legal and Community advocacy department ?

Alex


2013/2/20 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu

 I've replied on two things: regarding info collecting, that you were
 discussing, I believe WMBE can handle it (collecting names and numbers), no
 need for a chapter to the EU there imo. Regarding actual lobbying,
 representation and stuff - an international cooperation, like WCA (but not
 in its current state) should do the job.

 Balazs


 2013/2/20 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimit...@gmail.com

  Hi again,
 
  if there ever will be a WCA or something like that, then this will be a
   task for them imo. For the time being, mapping could be done by the
   future Belgian chapter or by some interested local volunteers.
  
 
  I strongly disagree. As a local volunteer doing monitoring and as someone
  who is currently very actively involved in the founding of Wikimedia
  Belgium.
 
  There are two reasons for that:
 
  1. We're not talking about Belgian legislation or the Belgian
  government/parliament here. We're talking about the EU institutions. And
 if
  you want them to listen to you, you need to represent an European
  community. Otherwise the French will talk to the French government, the
  Germans to the German and the Bulgarians to the Bulgarian. This is by far
  not the best way to proceed and is why this initiative is very necessary.
 
  2. Even if we'd decide that WMBE should lead this initiative (and that is
  in fact a discussed option), in Belgium we're at best at least a year
 away
  from having that kind of infrastructure. We're still to subit our
 statutes
  to the AffCom. At the same time I just had it confirmed from a Commissoin
  employee tonight that they plan to table the new copyright legislation
  proposal at the beginning of next year the latest.
 
  As a local volunteer who is doing monitoring my opinion is that there is
  dire need an international group of wikimedians to rely on support. I
  oftentimes feel overwhealmed.
 
  Cheers,
  Dimi
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] The new narrowed focus by WMF

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

That is not wholly accurate. There was a news brief in the 8th of October
issue of *The Signpost*[1] which in addition to individual subscriptions is
also sent to wikimedia-l.


*WMF to narrow its focus?*: Sue
Gardnerhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner,
 the executive director of the WMF, has 
 publishedhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sue_Gardner/Narrowing_focusher 
 planned recommendation for the WMF's October board meeting. Gardner
 hopes that by ceas[ing] some activities (or possibly distribut[ing] them
 to other movement players), the WMF will be able to focus more tightly on
 high-priority activities that are central to its mandate and mission ...
 [making the WMF] somewhat less over-mandated and thinly stretched, and
 therefore better able to plan, predict and execute.


Alex
[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-10-08/News_and_notes



2012/11/1 ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com

 I appreciate the comments of Jan-Bart and DeltaQuad regarding process and
 openness, although I feel that we're veering off topic a little from the
 subject of COIs.

 Since we're veering anyway, I would like to make a distinction between
 providing openness and providing notice. To the best of my ability to see,
 Sue's deliberations weren't announced here on Wikimedia-l by anyone from
 WMF. I appreciate Sue having the discussion in the open, but I think the
 notice to the community that these deliberations were happening was little
 to none from what I can tell. Notice to Wikimedia-l and Research-l was
 provided by me (not anyone from WMF) when I found the proposal's pages a
 mere two days before Sue's stated wrap-up date of October 14. From my point
 of view, the absence of notice to the community via this list was a
 communications shortcoming that I feel is worrisome. I informed a staffer
 of this on his talk page but he didn't acknowledge my comment, which
 further heightens my concern about communications gaps, so if someone at
 WMF could tell me to whom I should address my concern about these
 communications issues, I would appreciate it.

 Thanks,

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[Wikimedia-l] Rejected email (was Copyright on Xrays)

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

The email was rejected because, as indicated in the bounce message, the
email was sent from an address not subscribed to the list. Such emails are
not held pending moderation because of the quantity of spam messages.

Alex



2012/8/21 Matthew Bowker matthewrbowker.w...@me.com

 Hi, all.

 I believe Mike was commenting on the fact that his message was bounced
 back (because of an email funky) and not the topic itself.  In fact, I've
 been caught by that exact same filter myself.

 Sorry if I've read your message wrong.

 Matthew Bowker
 User:Matthewrbowker

 On Aug 20, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:

  On 08/20/12 2:01 PM, Michael Peel wrote:
  OK, so the moderation of this mailing list appears to be broken (surely
 such emails should at least be held for approval by a moderator?). But
 please see my previous email (which I sent after hitting the 'reply'
 button)…
 
  Thanks,
  Mike
 
  It seems like a perfectly valid topic for this list.
 
  Ray
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Grant Advisory Committee Expanded

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

You can always check the list of users identified to the Foundation:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Identification_noticeboard

Alex



2012/7/24 Anirudh Bhati anirudh...@gmail.com

 Hi Asaf,

 Thank you for posting this and a grand welcome to all the new arrivals in
 the GAC. ;)

 I see that some of the folks have chosen to remain anonymous (many of whom
 I identify as prolific contributors to our projects) but I would like to
 know whether the Wikimedia Foundation has independently verified their
 identity prior to induction into the body?

 I understand that the body plays only an advisory role into the process
 with the final decision resting on the staff, however, the GAC voice
 carries a fair amount of weight as well (as far as I'm aware).  Therefore,
 I believe, it would serve the interest of all the stakeholders, specially
 the community, to know and be assured that the WMF has already taken steps
 to identify those who would be responsible for advising the WMF on the
 dissemination of funds to grant applications from individuals and chapters
 (non-FDC).

 My personal opinion is that though anonymity is great motivator for our
 volunteer contributors on projects, but at the same time it can lead to
 reduced accountability and moral responsibility for work that has direct
 implications in the real world.  I apologize in advance if I have made any
 mistake in fact, and would be happy to hear any differing views on the
 subject.

 Sincerely,

 Anirudh Bhati

 On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  Hello, everyone.
 
  I'm pleased to announce that we have significantly expanded the Grant
  Advisory Committee (GAC)[1] as of today, and it now numbers 30
 volunteers,
  following an open process and public calls for volunteers.  The updated
  list of members is here[2].  With this expansion, we hope to achieve a
  higher degree of community participation in the Foundation's evaluation
 of
  grant proposals for its Wikimedia Grants program[3], as well as more
  diverse feedback and advice for grant applicants on how to refine their
  proposals for best impact.
 
  The GAC was set up almost exactly one year ago, and has been quietly
 doing
  what is frankly a thankless job.  I applaud and thank the volunteers who
  have done this work so far, and look forward to easing their load a
 little
  now that the GAC is larger, considering an expected rise in the number of
  grant proposals they would be called upon to review.
 
  Welcome to the new volunteers, and may we all have much success in
  fostering innovation and impactful mission-aligned activities through the
  grants program.
 
 Asaf
 
  [1] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee
  [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee#Membership
  [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index
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[Wikimedia-l] FDC Eligibility Status

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

Forwarding per request.

Alex

 -- Forwarded message --
From: Melanie Brown mbr...@wikimedia.org
To: foundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: Garfield Byrd gb...@wikimedia.org, Anasuya Sengupta 
asengu...@wikimedia.org
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 10:04:27 -0700
Subject: FDC Eligibility Status

Dear Wikimedia Community,

 As you may know, the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees passed a
 resolution two weeks ago, to establish the Funds Dissemination Committee
 (FDC) [1]. Full details about the planned structure and processes of the
 FDC can be found in the framework proposed to the Board [2].  This
 framework was developed over the past few months with input from a variety
 of people across the movement.

 It is now time to set this plan in motion.  There are a couple of next
 steps we want you to be aware of:
 1.Establishing the first Funds Dissemination Committee:  If you are
 interested in nominating yourself to serve either as an FDC member or as
 the FDC Ombudsperson, please submit your nomination by August 15th. The
 Board will appoint the first members by the beginning of September [3].

 2.Identifying eligible entities: Today, the Foundation has published
 a list of eligible entities [4] based on the eligibility criteria
 established in the framework [5]. Please let us know if you believe there
 are any corrections to be made to this list. Entities are categorised into
 ‘Yes’, ‘Yes, If’ and ‘No’ categories based on the eligibility criteria.
 Entities who are interested in applying for funds through the FDC but are
 ineligible due to compliance issues (i.e. those who fall into the ‘Yes, If’
 category detailed in the list above) should work with the Foundation to
 develop a plan to correct compliance issues.

 Entities who are ineligible for other reasons - or who would prefer not to
 go through the FDC process in this round - may seek funding through the
 Wikimedia Foundation Grants Program[6].

 3.Beginning the applications process for the first round of funding:  The
 first round of applications for funding will be due October 1st. FDC proposal
 forms will be posted on the FDC portal (a hub for FDC related information
 that is currently being set up) on Meta by August 1st. We strongly
 encourage eligible entities to begin filling out the proposals to the FDC
 well in advance of the October 1st deadline, particularly to support time
 for translation, if necessary, and to answer any questions or
 clarifications.

 I would appreciate entities who are interested in applying for the
 upcoming round of funding, emailing me as soon as possible stating your
 interest. In addition, do let me know if you have any questions,
 clarifications or concerns about meeting the eligibility gap. This will
 help us best support you.

 Additionally, as I mentioned in my message on Friday, we will be holding
 two sets of IRC office hours  on Wednesday 25 July. I will be present,
 with Barry, Anasuya (our new Director of Global Learning and Grantmaking)
 and Asaf, to answer any questions you have about the FDC process and the
 steps outlined here; in particular, the first step of establishing the
 eligibility to apply to the FDC. Office hours will be held:
 · 16:00-17:00 UTC/09:00 PDT Wednesday, July 25th
 · 23:00-23:59 UTC/16:00 PDT Wednesday, July 25th

 Please join us during these times at
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours

 We are excited to get this process launched and want to send a huge thank
 you to all of you who were involved in getting it kicked off!

 All the best,
 Garfield Byrd, WMF Chief of Finance and Administration

 [1]
 http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Funds_Dissemination_Committee_framework_and_initial_operation
 [2] 
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Draft_FDC_Proposal_for_the_Board
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDChttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Draft_FDC_Proposal_for_the_Board
 [3]
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Call_for_Volunteers
 [4]
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/2012_Round_1_Eligibility_Status
 [5]
 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Sample_letter_of_intent_and_eligibility_checklist
 [5] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet Defense League RFC

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

Could we keep this thread on topic please  ?
Alex



2012/6/28 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com

 On 28 June 2012 22:59, Mike  Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  Well I am not a deletionist, I am just pointing out that there is a
  very strange criteria for deletion on the wikipedia, that is why i
  started the speedydeletion.wikia.com

 The article has several references to independent reliable sources
 that specifically focus on the organisation, so it seems to meet the
 General Notability Guideline.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

[J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov]

I'd like to point out that the increasingly technical nature of this
conversation probably belongs either on wikitech-l, or off-list, and that
the strident nature of the comments is fast approaching inappropriate.

Alex
Wikimedia-l list administrator


2012/5/17 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org

 On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:06 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
  On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John phoenixoverr...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of
 rows
   per
   Y time frame.
 
  Amazing.  I need to switch all my databases to MySQL.  It can insert X
  rows per Y time frame, regardless of whether the database is 20
  gigabytes or 20 terabytes in size, regardless of whether the average
  row is 3K or 1.5K, regardless of whether I'm using a thumb drive or a
  RAID array or a cluster of servers, etc.
 
  When refering to X over Y time, its an average of a of say 1000 revisions
  per 1 minute, any X over Y period must be considered with averages in
 mind,
  or getting a count wouldnt be possible.

 The *average* en.wikipedia revision is more than twice the size of the
 *average* simple.wikipedia revision.  The *average* performance of a
 20 gig database is faster than the *average* performance of a 20
 terabyte database.  The *average* performance of your laptop's thumb
 drive is different from the *average* performance of a(n array of)
 drive(s) which can handle 20 terabytes of data.

  If you setup your sever/hardware correctly it will compress the text
  information during insertion into the database

 Is this how you set up your simple.wikipedia test?  How long does it
 take import the data if you're using the same compression mechanism as
 WMF (which, you didn't answer, but I assume is concatenation and
 compression).  How exactly does this work during insertion anyway?
 Does it intelligently group sets of revisions together to avoid
 decompressing and recompressing the same revision several times?  I
 suppose it's possible, but that would introduce quite a lot of
 complication into the import script, slowing things down dramatically.

 What about the answers to my other questions?

  If you want to put your money where your mouth is, import
  en.wikipedia.  It'll only take 5 days, right?
 
  If I actually had a server or the disc space to do it I would, just to
 prove
  your smartass comments as stupid as they actually are. However given my
  current resource limitations (fairly crappy internet connection, older
  laptops, and lack of HDD) I tried to select something that could give
  reliable benchmarks. If your willing to foot the bill for the new
 hardware
  Ill gladly prove my point

 What you seem to be saying is that you're *not* putting your money
 where your mouth is.

 Anyway, if you want, I'll make a deal with you.  A neutral third party
 rents the hardware at Amazon Web Services (AWS).  We import
 simple.wikipedia full history (concatenating and compressing during
 import).  We take the ratio of revisions in simple.wikipedia to the
 ratio of revisions in en.wikipedia.  We import en.wikipedia full
 history (concatenating and compressing during import).  If the ratio
 of time it takes to import en.wikipedia vs simple.wikipedia is greater
 than or equal to twice the ratio of revisions, then you reimburse the
 third party.  If the ratio of import time is less than twice the ratio
 of revisions (you claim it is linear, therefore it'll be the same
 ratio), then I reimburse the third party.

 Either way, we save the new dump, with the processing already done,
 and send it to archive.org (and WMF if they're willing to host it).
 So we actually get a useful result out of this.  It's not just for the
 purpose of settling an argument.

 Either of us can concede defeat at any point, and stop the experiment.
  At that point if the neutral third party wishes to pay to continue
 the job, s/he would be responsible for the additional costs.

 Shouldn't be too expensive.  If you concede defeat after 5 days, then
 your CPU-time costs are $54 (assuming Extra Large High Memory
 Instance).  Including 4 terabytes of EBS (which should be enough if
 you compress on the fly) for 5 days should be less than $100.

 I'm tempted to do it even if you don't take the bet.

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