Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Not much will get accomplished on this list...there are ways, but that's for members. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC cprof...@cv-access.com Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz. Now, if you are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for cheaper. All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the truth. Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a distributor of Motorola products too). Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium! Also, I agree with both of you here. Having both 900MHz Trango and 2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients per AP. I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop packets, and the latency is great in comparison. However, properly maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level. Regards, Chuck Hogg Avolutia, LLC 502-722-9292 ch...@avolutia.com http://www.avolutia.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... Matt, I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth and latency at AF09? And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real world" experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wi
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Hi, I can tell you right now I have a written quote from a distributor/reseller for quantity 200 radios at less than $200 each. The other company I was speaking about is doing 1,000 installs per month. $160 per radio is the number I have heard (and seems reasonable based on that quantity compared to my pricing at 200 radios). Travis Microserv Chuck Hogg wrote: > The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with > buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz. Now, if you > are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for > cheaper. All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the > truth. Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a > distributor of Motorola products too). Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs > from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium! > > > > Also, I agree with both of you here. Having both 900MHz Trango and > 2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients > per AP. I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop > packets, and the latency is great in comparison. However, properly > maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them > outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level. > > > > Regards, > > Chuck Hogg > > Avolutia, LLC > 502-722-9292 > ch...@avolutia.com > > http://www.avolutia.com > > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... > > > > Matt, > > I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we > need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have > setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all > different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth > and latency at AF09? > > And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 > stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using > StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we > connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the > other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload > to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client > has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. > > As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. > I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. > ;) > > And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients > and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. > > Travis > Microserv > > Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > > Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to > scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can > > be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus > users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size > as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 > subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer > service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will > > do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day > of the week. > > As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are > running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven > equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, > > there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 > guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) > doesn't mean that it can't be done right. > > Matt Larsen > vistabeam.com > > > Travis Johnson wrote: > > > The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. > There > is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes > technology like > Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our > 802.11 > stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never > get an AP > with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. > > In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected > to the > same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got > disconnected > and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a > better "real > world" experience than that? :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > > > > All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have > acquired some > Area51 technology. > > > > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Commu
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz. Now, if you are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for cheaper. All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the truth. Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a distributor of Motorola products too). Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium! Also, I agree with both of you here. Having both 900MHz Trango and 2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with >50 clients per AP. I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop packets, and the latency is great in comparison. However, properly maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level. Regards, Chuck Hogg Avolutia, LLC 502-722-9292 ch...@avolutia.com http://www.avolutia.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... Matt, I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth and latency at AF09? And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real world" experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignif
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Matt, I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth and latency at AF09? And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real world" experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my star-os AP's. They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even nicer??? The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible after you mount and aim it. Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No need for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. Opinion I like them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WI
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
But for micropops it sure makes sense. Screw it into the bottom of an omni and presto! __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real world" experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: > All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some > Area51 technology. > > > > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... > > I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the > standard. > > throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my > Star-OS/WAR1 > combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active > compression > and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. > > I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible > with my star-os AP's. > > They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. > > Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal > mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even > nicer??? > > The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming > invisible after you mount and aim it. > > Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No > need > for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. > > Opinion I like them. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > -- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network.You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 network. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems.Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: > The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There > is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like > Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 > stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP > with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. > > In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the > same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected > and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real > world" experience than that? :) > > Travis > Microserv > > Jerry Richardson wrote: > >> All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some >> Area51 technology. >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Jerry Richardson >> airCloud Communications >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... >> >> I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the >> standard. >> >> throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my >> Star-OS/WAR1 >> combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active >> compression >> and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. >> >> I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with >> my star-os AP's. >> >> They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. >> >> Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal >> mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even >> nicer??? >> >> The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible >> after you mount and aim it. >> >> Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No >> need >> for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. >> >> Opinion I like them. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Hi, I just bought some today for one of our bigger tower sites. We will install four of these connected to an APC SmartUps 1400 and will probably get 30+ hours of uptime (this site has multiple switches, routers, point to point links, licensed links, rebooter and over 10 AP's). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=250316783682 The real killer is the shipping. These things each weigh about 110 pounds (and they don't have any handles). But they are very nice batteries. We have about 44 of them installed at our bigger tower sites. Travis Microserv Leroy wrote: Gino, What batteries are you using? I've seen posts of your UPS setup in the past, very nice. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. But they don't last forever. I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many generators. Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more than I have! grin People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Don't you have battery back ups? Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again due to all of the power outages. marlon - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any issues yet. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf O
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better "real world" experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: > All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some > Area51 technology. > > > > > __ > Jerry Richardson > airCloud Communications > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... > > I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the > standard. > > throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my > Star-OS/WAR1 > combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active > compression > and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. > > I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with > my star-os AP's. > > They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. > > Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal > mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even > nicer??? > > The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible > after you mount and aim it. > > Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No > need > for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. > > Opinion I like them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
AGM cells 105 ah with APC SmartUPS XL units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leroy Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Gino, What batteries are you using? I've seen posts of your UPS setup in the past, very nice. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA General List >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >> >>> people >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> >>> basically >> >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >> >>> >> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >> >>> >> >>> David Smith >> >>> MVN.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Want
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Gino, What batteries are you using? I've seen posts of your UPS setup in the past, very nice. Leroy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA General List >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >> >>> people >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> >>> basically >> >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >> >>> >> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >> >>> >> >>> David Smith >> >>> MVN.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>> >> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>> >> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my star-os AP's. They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even nicer??? The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible after you mount and aim it. Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No need for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. Opinion I like them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
The bigger the ups the better charger it has, typically we use 1400 and 1500 units Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA General List >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >> >>> people >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> >>> basically >> >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >> >>> >> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >> >>> >> >>> David Smith >> >>> MVN.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>> >> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>> >> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>> >> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >>> htt
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Redline AN80i with SINADR spikes
It's a 5.4 link that one end is attached to a water tank. Do u think it could be reflection? Oh I know. Redline is great. I will bug them if I don't find some answers here. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > When it was happening to my AN50s it was interference. Did you scan > the > band with your AN80s to see what was free? > > Also keep in mind you can call Redline 24/7 and get very good support. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:43 PM, John McDowell > wrote: > >> Anybody here can tell me what might cause this? I am trying to fine >> tune >> this link and need to know what I'm doing wrong. >> >> >> -- >> John M. McDowell >> Boonlink Communications >> 307 Grand Ave NW >> Fort Payne, AL 35967 >> 256.844.9932 >> j...@boonlink.com >> www.boonlink.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This message contains information which may be confidential and >> privileged. >> Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the >> addressee), >> you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the >> message or >> any >> information contained in the message. If you have received the >> message in >> error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, >> and >> delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to >> spoofing, >> spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your >> computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the >> message or the >> source, please contact the sender directly. >> > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
http://www.apc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=UXBP24 says Battery Volt-Amp-Hour Capacity is 3360 (divide by 24?) On Jan 21, 2009, at 7:49 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Do you know how many AmpHours (Ah) the APC XL Ultra Battery > pack is spec'd > at? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Redline AN80i with SINADR spikes
When it was happening to my AN50s it was interference. Did you scan the band with your AN80s to see what was free? Also keep in mind you can call Redline 24/7 and get very good support. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:43 PM, John McDowell wrote: > Anybody here can tell me what might cause this? I am trying to fine tune > this link and need to know what I'm doing wrong. > > > -- > John M. McDowell > Boonlink Communications > 307 Grand Ave NW > Fort Payne, AL 35967 > 256.844.9932 > j...@boonlink.com > www.boonlink.com > > > > > > > This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. > Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), > you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or > any > information contained in the message. If you have received the message in > error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and > delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, > spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your > computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the > source, please contact the sender directly. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Yep, thats a good solution for 300w load. But we are looking for handling much larger loads. We use the C&D 150AH 12V batteries, which are about $330 each, which we usually stack 4 in series for 48V. In theory our PC routers don't draw much current, for average basic operation, but they are powerful boxes that are spec'd with High watt power supplies. (QUAD CPU). So 500W power supplies each. Feasibly, we could imagine two of these PC routers. If we had different routing policies or wanted redundancy. Then if we add 4 or 5 Licensed Links, the Wattage grows significantly on these units compared to low power unlicensed radios.(forget exactly how much). Then another 10 or so unlicensed, but they'll only draw about 10 watts. Then add a GB switch or two (100watts each). We really want to handle atleast 2000watts per unit, and then want minimum of 12 hour run-time. Do you know how many AmpHours (Ah) the APC XL Ultra Battery pack is spec'd at? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "can...@believewireless.net" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Here's what we just started using: > APC Smart-UPS 1000 XL - $500 > APC XL Ultra Battery Pack 24V - UXBP24 - $500 > APC Management Card - $200 > > The downside to this is that it isn't a rackmount solution. The external > battery pack is BIG as it houses four "car" battery-sized batteries. > These > are chainable too which is nice. > > Based on a 300W load, here is the uptime you'll see with the battery > packs: > > SUA1000XL + (1)UXBP2411 hrs 57 minsSUA1000XL + (2)UXBP2424 hrs 31 > minsSUA1000XL > + (3)UXBP2435 hrs 43 minsSUA1000XL + (4)UXBP2446 hrs 55 mins > > So, for $1,200 you'll get a UPS w/monitoring and nearly 12 hours of > uptime. > Drop in > another UXBP24 for every additional 12 hours of uptime you need. > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Tom DeReggi > wrote: > >> Thats why we liked the triplite inverters. They had a 33amp charging >> circuit >> (required 40 amp breaker), and the charge voltage varied based on the >> type >> of battery. >> This was my fear with using Smart Ups. They were designed for lead acid >> batteries, which have different characteristics than Gel batteries, or >> the >> other type (VLRA?). >> >> One thing we didn't like about the Triplite Smart UP XL series at high >> VA, >> was they were deep as hech, to accommodate a lot of internal batteries. >> I >> preferred a unit that had a shorter depth. The Triplites also have >> different Voltage requirements for its batteries. I found one of the >> models >> that did support 48V. >> >> Although I did not look into APC's XL series yet, as Patrick suggested. >> >> Its tough getting the facts out of APC and trriplite, because oif course >> they all want to sell you theirown battery packs, which are way over >> priced >> by a factor of 6X minimum. >> >> >> Tom DeReggi >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "jp" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:35 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so >> > that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by >> > overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the >> > batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the >> > UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U >> > smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in >> > the >> > process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery >> > pack. >> > >> > That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter >> > with >> > proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, >> > outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently >> reliable. >> > >> > The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the >> > 750 >> > is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly >> > and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means >> > the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and >> >> instead >> >> hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers >> >> won't >> >> hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine >> >> battery >> >> instead of a little exit light battery >> >> >> >> Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "jp" >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Here's what we just started using: APC Smart-UPS 1000 XL - $500 APC XL Ultra Battery Pack 24V - UXBP24 - $500 APC Management Card - $200 The downside to this is that it isn't a rackmount solution. The external battery pack is BIG as it houses four "car" battery-sized batteries. These are chainable too which is nice. Based on a 300W load, here is the uptime you'll see with the battery packs: SUA1000XL + (1)UXBP2411 hrs 57 minsSUA1000XL + (2)UXBP2424 hrs 31 minsSUA1000XL + (3)UXBP2435 hrs 43 minsSUA1000XL + (4)UXBP2446 hrs 55 mins So, for $1,200 you'll get a UPS w/monitoring and nearly 12 hours of uptime. Drop in another UXBP24 for every additional 12 hours of uptime you need. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Thats why we liked the triplite inverters. They had a 33amp charging > circuit > (required 40 amp breaker), and the charge voltage varied based on the type > of battery. > This was my fear with using Smart Ups. They were designed for lead acid > batteries, which have different characteristics than Gel batteries, or the > other type (VLRA?). > > One thing we didn't like about the Triplite Smart UP XL series at high VA, > was they were deep as hech, to accommodate a lot of internal batteries. I > preferred a unit that had a shorter depth. The Triplites also have > different Voltage requirements for its batteries. I found one of the models > that did support 48V. > > Although I did not look into APC's XL series yet, as Patrick suggested. > > Its tough getting the facts out of APC and trriplite, because oif course > they all want to sell you theirown battery packs, which are way over priced > by a factor of 6X minimum. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "jp" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:35 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so > > that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by > > overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the > > batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the > > UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U > > smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in the > > process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery > > pack. > > > > That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter with > > proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, > > outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently > reliable. > > > > The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the 750 > > is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly > > and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means > > the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and > >> instead > >> hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers > >> won't > >> hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine > >> battery > >> instead of a little exit light battery > >> > >> Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "jp" > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >> >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > >> > > >> > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > >> > with these. > >> > > >> > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > >> > > >> > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > >> > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > >> > > >> > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > >> > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > >> > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > >> > > >> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. > >> >> > >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > >> >> > >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out > >> >> by > >> >> a > >> >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. > >> >> It's > >> >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > >> >> > >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that > >> >> many > >> >> generators. > >> >> > >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been > down > >> >> more > >> >> than I have! grin > >> >> > >> >> People still had phone service most of t
[WISPA] PoE VoIP Adapter?
Does anyone know of a good VoIP ATA that gets power via PoE? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
Can the bullet do PPPOE? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:41 PM, wrote: > I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. > > throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 > combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression > and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. > > I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my > star-os AP's. > > They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. > > Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal > mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even nicer??? > > The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible > after you mount and aim it. > > Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No need > for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. > > Opinion I like them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active compression and fast frames that functions with my star-os access point. I have not tried the narrower channels to see if they're compatible with my star-os AP's. They have been certified with up to 30 db antennas. Summary... 1 bullet5, 1 pacwireless 25 db grid w/pigtail, 1 universal mount = very cheap 5 ghz cpe - about $130 - 140 complete. Even nicer??? The bullet slides down INTO the universal mount pipe, becoming invisible after you mount and aim it. Just FYI... The Bullet does NAT and has a DHCP server built in. No need for a router, allows you to have a fully routed network. Opinion I like them. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
What 48V to 15 V converters do you use? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness You are not alone! I've use a 48VDC to 15VDC converter in my boxes. All my tower gear is 48VDC and staying that way. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1906 - Release Date: 1/21/2009 7:07 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Thats why we liked the triplite inverters. They had a 33amp charging circuit (required 40 amp breaker), and the charge voltage varied based on the type of battery. This was my fear with using Smart Ups. They were designed for lead acid batteries, which have different characteristics than Gel batteries, or the other type (VLRA?). One thing we didn't like about the Triplite Smart UP XL series at high VA, was they were deep as hech, to accommodate a lot of internal batteries. I preferred a unit that had a shorter depth. The Triplites also have different Voltage requirements for its batteries. I found one of the models that did support 48V. Although I did not look into APC's XL series yet, as Patrick suggested. Its tough getting the facts out of APC and trriplite, because oif course they all want to sell you theirown battery packs, which are way over priced by a factor of 6X minimum. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so > that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by > overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the > batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the > UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U > smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in the > process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery > pack. > > That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter with > proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, > outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently reliable. > > The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the 750 > is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly > and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means > the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and >> instead >> hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers >> won't >> hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine >> battery >> instead of a little exit light battery >> >> Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "jp" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. >> > >> > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours >> > with these. >> > >> > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. >> > >> > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for >> > places where it's impractical to take a generator. >> > >> > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen >> > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and >> > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out >> >> by >> >> a >> >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> >> It's >> >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> >> many >> >> generators. >> >> >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> >> more >> >> than I have! grin >> >> >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell >> >> phone >> >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> >> place >> >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> >> more >> >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> >> long >> >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> >> >> laters, >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "George Rogato" >> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are >> >> >> offline >> >> >> again >> >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> >> marlon >>
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
You are not alone! I've use a 48VDC to 15VDC converter in my boxes. All my tower gear is 48VDC and staying that way. Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
I do. Josh Luthman wrote: Who RMAs a $100 board??? On 1/21/09, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate about 1 to 2% rma rate. Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not more/higher. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for weeks so we had no idea. Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com --
Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.
Just upgraded software from 2.2.x to 3.3.1 and now all works! On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:14 AM, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: > all, > > Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to > my limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf. When I set up the > NS5 as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 > to create a remote repeater. Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot > solution works fine through the simple AP. Problem: I can not contact the > NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet). Is > this normal? Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no > remote control. > > Thanks, > Marshall > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
We were having trouble with the APC rackmount UPSs getting flaky, so that's why we went elsewhere. The 2U smartups tended to fail by overcharging the batteries causing them to bulge to the extent the batteries could not be removed except by complete disassembly of the UPS. We had 3-4 UPSs taken out of service for this reason. I had a 3U smartups start to pulse the output power and it killed a computer in the process, and I've had the 3u fail to take advantage of a new battery pack. That said, the APC units work mostly flawlessly within a datacenter with proper cooling. However, out in the field in cold barns, basements, outdoor cabinets or warm closets, they haven't been sufficiently reliable. The tripplites have different charging rates, the 700hf is 6amp, the 750 is 20amp I think, the 1250 perhaps more. This lets me recharge quickly and be ready for another outage. If it's on generator power, it means the batteries can be fully recharged before we run out of gas. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:49:15AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead > hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't > hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery > instead of a little exit light battery > > Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "jp" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > > with these. > > > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. > >> > >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > >> > >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by > >> a > >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. > >> It's > >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > >> > >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that > >> many > >> generators. > >> > >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down > >> more > >> than I have! grin > >> > >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in > >> place > >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot > >> more > >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > >> > >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how > >> long > >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > >> > >> laters, > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "George Rogato" > >> To: "WISPA General List" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >> > Don't you have battery back ups? > >> > > >> > > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> >> again > >> >> due to all of the power outages. > >> >> marlon > >> >> > >> >> - Original Message - > >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing > >> >>> close > >> >>> to > >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >> >>> > >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >> >>> issues > >> >>> yet. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Original Message- > >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > >> >>> On > >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >> >>> To: WISPA General List > >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> >>> > >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >> >>> people > >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >> >>> basically > >> >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >> >>> > >> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >> >>> > >> >>> David Smith > >> >>> MVN.net > >> >>>
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Use the APC Smart-UPS XL series. They have an external battery connector and a charger designed to handle large external battery banks. You can also update the configuration value for the capacity of the external battery packs so that the UPS runtime calculation (for SNMP/email alerts) is correct. The external connector is a standard anderson DC power connector. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: > Mark, > >> APC SU700NET UPS > > We currenly have been using Triplite inverters that do about 3500watt with > 48V battery chains, for years. They work great, but all these units put out > pulse modulated wave (modified sine wave) and do not provide smart remote > monitoring via SNMP or WEB cards. As you know, if doing modified sine wave, > you can not put after it another smart UPS, as it would detect the > Pulse-modulated wave as a corrupt signal, noise, or disrupted power, > triggering frequent switching to battery of the second inline UPS. Where > this was an issue was if we served a rack, and one of our colocated clients, > wanted to insert a small smart UPS to to monitor their power, and prevent > against any mainteance outages that we might have with our battery testing > or replacements. > > We were thinking of using a small 1U smart UPS, and removing the batteries, > and installing to extermnal only batteries, as you suggested that you had > done. > > However, there are concerns on whether these smaller units have adequate > charging circuits to handle larger load of long run time battery chains. > For racks, pbviously a high enough wattage/VA unit would be needed. > > Have you run into any limits of how many batteries you can connect, before > overloading its charging circuits? > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Nash" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> I have several APC SU700NET UPS systems in place that we've taken out the >> internal batteries and put in marine batteries on the floor. Depending on >> what equipment it's powering, you can get 18-36 hours out of 2 batteries. >> We also install a AP9617 SNMP card, that emails us of power events. We >> were >> having power sags on one mountain top. We tried telling the site owner >> (Charter Cable) that they were having a problem. We got told "we're >> looking >> into it" for months, until I put THAT guy's email address in the SNMP card >> notification list. Then, with the system nagging HIM as well, we got some >> action. >> >> Mark Nash >> UnwiredWest >> 78 Centennial Loop >> Suite E >> Eugene, OR 97401 >> 541-998- >> 541-998-5599 fax >> http://www.unwiredwest.com >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:28 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >>> You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. >>> It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing >>> over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every >>> power outage last for 10 hours. >>> Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights >>> flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some >>> wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. >>> >>> Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook >>> them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. >>> I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I >>> have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 >> hours. >>> George >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Yeah. But they don't last forever. I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many generators. Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more than I have! grin People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "George Rogato"
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Mark, > APC SU700NET UPS We currenly have been using Triplite inverters that do about 3500watt with 48V battery chains, for years. They work great, but all these units put out pulse modulated wave (modified sine wave) and do not provide smart remote monitoring via SNMP or WEB cards. As you know, if doing modified sine wave, you can not put after it another smart UPS, as it would detect the Pulse-modulated wave as a corrupt signal, noise, or disrupted power, triggering frequent switching to battery of the second inline UPS. Where this was an issue was if we served a rack, and one of our colocated clients, wanted to insert a small smart UPS to to monitor their power, and prevent against any mainteance outages that we might have with our battery testing or replacements. We were thinking of using a small 1U smart UPS, and removing the batteries, and installing to extermnal only batteries, as you suggested that you had done. However, there are concerns on whether these smaller units have adequate charging circuits to handle larger load of long run time battery chains. For racks, pbviously a high enough wattage/VA unit would be needed. Have you run into any limits of how many batteries you can connect, before overloading its charging circuits? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark Nash" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I have several APC SU700NET UPS systems in place that we've taken out the > internal batteries and put in marine batteries on the floor. Depending on > what equipment it's powering, you can get 18-36 hours out of 2 batteries. > We also install a AP9617 SNMP card, that emails us of power events. We > were > having power sags on one mountain top. We tried telling the site owner > (Charter Cable) that they were having a problem. We got told "we're > looking > into it" for months, until I put THAT guy's email address in the SNMP card > notification list. Then, with the system nagging HIM as well, we got some > action. > > Mark Nash > UnwiredWest > 78 Centennial Loop > Suite E > Eugene, OR 97401 > 541-998- > 541-998-5599 fax > http://www.unwiredwest.com > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. >> It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing >> over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every >> power outage last for 10 hours. >> Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights >> flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some >> wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. >> >> Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook >> them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. >> I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I >> have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 > hours. >> >> George >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> > Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> > >> > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> > >> > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out >> > by > a >> > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. > It's >> > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> > >> > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that > many >> > generators. >> > >> > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down > more >> > than I have! grin >> > >> > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in > place >> > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot > more >> > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> > >> > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how > long >> > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> > >> > laters, >> > marlon >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: "George Rogato" >> > To: "WISPA General List" >> > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> > >> > >> >> Don't you have battery back ups? >> >> >> >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >>> again >> >>> due to all of the power outages. >> >>> marlon >> >>> >> >>> - Original Message - >> >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> >> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually s
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
The 333 board sucked. That simple. I have dozens of customers with RB411 CPEs and our power is pretty good - never had to reboot the CPE for the last 6 months (we started deploying them 6 months ago). The 133 did have that power problem and I saw it many times, however, a $50 UPS can fix that. Not to mention if someone has a PC they should have one already... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > Hi Josh, > > to be honest the 4xx are giving us problems. We have a lot of boards > with "strange behaviors", I have a desk full of "suspected of..., > probably does not do ". > > I cannot tell you if the 5xx (e.g. 532) series were worse. We still have > some 532/532A installed with 2.9.x and they work great, I admit the same > is not for the 333/4xx series. > Maybe it's because the number of nodes in our network has grown > considerably and they are "new" boards. > > Just to tell you the one that we had today: > > - the 333/433 board looks burned with a +24V power supply, but it was > working nicely with +18VDC. Same board family and same power supply > family working in other sites > - the 333/433 has ethernet problems with +24 but it works nicely with > +18VDC. Don't ask me why... > > However, it surprised me to read about this: > > http://forum.routerboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3868 > > Now, do you think that I will go up on the tower to open the box and see > what is the capacitor on the board? > > Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is > not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many > things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power > supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this > has more or less changed. > > I will not talk about the software issues, it's too easy to talk about > the bugs. Every release has "new undiscovered bugs" of the previous one. > > Honestly I would have preferred less features and more stability, but > it's their choice. > > Just my 2EuroCents. > > P.S. I did not yet send the boards back to mikrotik, I don't have time > for that, maybe in the near future. > > > Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very > > good and it's getting even worse. > > > >>> To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" > in > > my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. > The > > RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think > the > > 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been > > flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. > No > > random failures! > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > > --- Henry Spencer > > > > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < > > difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi Forbes, > >> > >> good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. > >> > >> You are not alone! > >> > >> The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot > >> of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower > >> speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound > >> familiar to you? > >> > >> On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you > >> try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM > >> field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not > >> help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it > >> depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. > >> > >> Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very > >> good and it's getting even worse. > >> > >> Suggestions: > >> > >> 1) try shielded cable > >> 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable > >> 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one > >> side to the box (other side) > >> 4) change power supply > >> 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it > >> > >> Let us know! > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> > >>> We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a > >>> Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it > >>> stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No > >>> customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much > >>> snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting > tower > >>> down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for > >>> weeks so we had no idea. > >>> > >>> Took a back-up 433AH board
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I wondered about just swapping out the batteries on my APC units and instead hooking the units to bigger batteries. My fear is that the chargers won't hold up to long charge times that would be needed for a big marine battery instead of a little exit light battery Thoughts? Anyone already tried this? marlon - Original Message - From: "jp" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. > > We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours > with these. > > I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. > > We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for > places where it's impractical to take a generator. > > I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen > how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and > has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Yeah. But they don't last forever. >> >> I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. >> >> Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by >> a >> good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. >> It's >> not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. >> >> Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that >> many >> generators. >> >> Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down >> more >> than I have! grin >> >> People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone >> companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in >> place >> I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot >> more >> generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. >> >> The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how >> long >> it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. >> >> laters, >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "George Rogato" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> > Don't you have battery back ups? >> > >> > >> > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> >> again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> >> marlon >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >> >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing >> >>> close >> >>> to >> >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >> >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >> >>> >> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >> >>> issues >> >>> yet. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> >>> On >> >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >> >>> To: WISPA General List >> >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >>> >> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >> >>> people >> >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >> >>> basically >> >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >> >>> >> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >> >>> >> >>> David Smith >> >>> MVN.net >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>> >> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>> >> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >>> >> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >>> >> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> >
Re: [WISPA] The best Power Supplies/UPS are...
I've been thinking about running regular batteries with inverters for quite a while. I'd run a separate battery charger for them (totally isolating the power to the devices from the grid) though. No combo units. I still might do that. I'm also thinking of getting some of those 12vdc computer power supplies and running my servers off of marine batteries. Might get one just to install it in a machine and see how long it'll run that way. marlon - Original Message - From: "Paolo Di Francesco" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] The best Power Supplies/UPS are... > Hi All, > > I was wondering what is the best power supply/UPS that you have in your > sites. > I am talking about something that can accept from 50AC to 300AC, and > convert it to a -48DC or something like that. > > I know that my request can sound strange, and everybody is wondering > "why don't you use APC/HP/whatever in your site?". The reason is that > sites are not like data centers where things are very easy... > > Our national power company has the bad habit to send the wrong voltage, > therefore I was thinking to see around if there is something from > "almost any decent INPUT" can generate a DC or AC. Possibly with an > input protection from over voltage, short cut, whatever. > > Obviously the more features it has, the better it is. For example if it > has smnp, remote power management (on/off, programmable, etc.) would be > nice. I think HP has this type of feature. > At the moment we are using something which is not so bad, it is > monitored (smnp) via a linux box, but we cannot reset-cycle the output > and this is a BAD thing. > > > Thank you in advance for your precious suggestions. > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Teleinform S.p.A. > Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo > Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale > Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 > Fax: +39-091-6406200 > > http://www.wikitel.it > http://www.teleinform.com > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Yeah, those are cool. Inverters have a high price power wise though. I do a free hotspot for a large desert race every year. With an inverter I can run the system for about a day, maybe a little more, on a good marine battery. When I run direct to the devices with 12vdc I can run an easy 2 days on the same battery. I just found a cool device from Inscape Data. They have a 5 power poe switch that will also auto boot. You can set each port to 12, 24 or 48 volt! No poe units, no power bricks, no lighting arrestors etc. All of that is in one box. I'm still trying to find out if it'll run off of 12 or 24vdc instead of 110ac. At $600 per unit it's a bit spendy but I'd get rid of the ups units, lightning arrestors, switch and whatnot at the towers. I might look into this for a couple of the bigger/more important sites. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > You could use a real inverter which has a higher capacity charger > built in (much faster recovery time). Another advantage of an inverter > is the batteries are sold separately so you can size them accordingly. > You could have much longer run time on the batteries. Though having > lead acid batteries on site might be an issue and large gelled cell > batteries are expensive. Maybe it wouldn't be cost effective to use > such a system for the rare power outage. > > This little unit delivers 1000 watts continuous (3000 watts surge) and > has a 50 amp battery charger. > http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/55/p/1/pt/9/product.asp > > Greg > > On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Batteries won't last more then a few hours. Our NOC uses 300 watts >> and we have a 2200va UP - about 1h 15h run time until generators come >> into play. >> >> On 1/21/09, George Rogato wrote: >>> Don't you have battery back ups? >>> >>> >>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again due to all of the power outages. marlon - Original Message - From: "Eric Tykwinski" To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually > seeing close > to > triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > > I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having > any > issues > yet. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- > boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic > from people > streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > basically > double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > > (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Josh, to be honest the 4xx are giving us problems. We have a lot of boards with "strange behaviors", I have a desk full of "suspected of..., probably does not do ". I cannot tell you if the 5xx (e.g. 532) series were worse. We still have some 532/532A installed with 2.9.x and they work great, I admit the same is not for the 333/4xx series. Maybe it's because the number of nodes in our network has grown considerably and they are "new" boards. Just to tell you the one that we had today: - the 333/433 board looks burned with a +24V power supply, but it was working nicely with +18VDC. Same board family and same power supply family working in other sites - the 333/433 has ethernet problems with +24 but it works nicely with +18VDC. Don't ask me why... However, it surprised me to read about this: http://forum.routerboard.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3868 Now, do you think that I will go up on the tower to open the box and see what is the capacitor on the board? Another thing is that I still don't understand why the power supply is not 48VDC as most of the telco world. It would have simplified many things but the most irritating is that we have to keep different power supplies accordingly to different board series. Fortunately lately this has more or less changed. I will not talk about the software issues, it's too easy to talk about the bugs. Every release has "new undiscovered bugs" of the previous one. Honestly I would have preferred less features and more stability, but it's their choice. Just my 2EuroCents. P.S. I did not yet send the boards back to mikrotik, I don't have time for that, maybe in the near future. > Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very > good and it's getting even worse. > >>> To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" in > my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The > RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the > 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been > flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No > random failures! > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < > difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > >> Hi Forbes, >> >> good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. >> >> You are not alone! >> >> The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot >> of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower >> speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound >> familiar to you? >> >> On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you >> try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM >> field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not >> help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it >> depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. >> >> Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very >> good and it's getting even worse. >> >> Suggestions: >> >> 1) try shielded cable >> 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable >> 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one >> side to the box (other side) >> 4) change power supply >> 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it >> >> Let us know! >> >> Thank you. >> >> >>> We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a >>> Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it >>> stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No >>> customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much >>> snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower >>> down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for >>> weeks so we had no idea. >>> >>> Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like >>> a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to >>> waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once >>> it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, >>> programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers >>> associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management >>> side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that >>> IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would >>> start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. >>> >>> Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even >>> when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from >>> remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Hello, We do the same thing. Some with 1 battery and other with 4. No more generators!! We had our fun with them a few years back. Had 7 of them running our towers. Got great praise from our customers for keep them network running for 4 days in ice, but killed us filling up gas cans all the time. No site was down for more then 24, but we had sites going down all over the place for 4 days. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> again > >> due to all of the power outages. > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > >>> to > >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>> > >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>> issues > >>> yet. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>> people > >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >>> basically > >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >>> > >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >>> > >>> David Smith > >>> MVN.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.o
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Who RMAs a $100 board??? On 1/21/09, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: > Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate > now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate > about 1 to 2% rma rate. > > Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not > more/higher. > > /Eje > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile > > -Original Message- > From: Josh Luthman > > Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness > > > Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very > good and it's getting even worse. > >>>To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" in > my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The > RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the > 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been > flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No > random failures! > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < > difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > >> Hi Forbes, >> >> good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. >> >> You are not alone! >> >> The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot >> of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower >> speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound >> familiar to you? >> >> On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you >> try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM >> field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not >> help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it >> depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. >> >> Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very >> good and it's getting even worse. >> >> Suggestions: >> >> 1) try shielded cable >> 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable >> 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one >> side to the box (other side) >> 4) change power supply >> 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it >> >> Let us know! >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> > We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a >> > Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it >> > stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No >> > customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much >> > snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower >> > down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for >> > weeks so we had no idea. >> > >> > Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like >> > a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to >> > waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once >> > it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, >> > programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers >> > associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management >> > side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that >> > IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would >> > start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. >> > >> > Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even >> > when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from >> > remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch >> > and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in >> > service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the >> > switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us >> > to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it >> > locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? >> > >> > Forbes >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Ing. Paolo Di Francesco >> >> Teleinform S.p.A. >> Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo >> Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale >> Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-0
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Consider the volume we sell I will have to disagree. We see no more RMA rate now then a year or two ago and in fact less then some manufacturers estimate about 1 to 2% rma rate. Consider how they grown and managed to get price down I'm surprised its not more/higher. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2009 12:19:48 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. >>To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > Hi Forbes, > > good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. > > You are not alone! > > The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot > of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower > speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound > familiar to you? > > On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you > try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM > field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not > help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it > depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. > > Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very > good and it's getting even worse. > > Suggestions: > > 1) try shielded cable > 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable > 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one > side to the box (other side) > 4) change power supply > 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it > > Let us know! > > Thank you. > > > > We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a > > Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it > > stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No > > customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much > > snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower > > down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for > > weeks so we had no idea. > > > > Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like > > a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to > > waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once > > it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, > > programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers > > associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management > > side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that > > IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would > > start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. > > > > Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even > > when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from > > remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch > > and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in > > service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the > > switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us > > to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it > > locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? > > > > Forbes > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Teleinform S.p.A. > Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo > Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale > Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 > Fax: +39-091-6406200 > > http://www.wikitel.it > http://www.teleinform.com > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I have several APC SU700NET UPS systems in place that we've taken out the internal batteries and put in marine batteries on the floor. Depending on what equipment it's powering, you can get 18-36 hours out of 2 batteries. We also install a AP9617 SNMP card, that emails us of power events. We were having power sags on one mountain top. We tried telling the site owner (Charter Cable) that they were having a problem. We got told "we're looking into it" for months, until I put THAT guy's email address in the SNMP card notification list. Then, with the system nagging HIM as well, we got some action. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. > It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing > over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every > power outage last for 10 hours. > Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights > flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some > wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. > > Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook > them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. > I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I > have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 hours. > > George > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > > generators. > > > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > > than I have! grin > > > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > > > laters, > > marlon > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "George Rogato" > > To: "WISPA General List" > > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > > >> Don't you have battery back ups? > >> > >> > >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >>> again > >>> due to all of the power outages. > >>> marlon > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> > Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > to > triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > > I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > issues > yet. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > people > streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > basically > double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > > (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > --- - > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- - > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > --- - > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- - > > >
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
You can buy inexpensive ups and use them. It's pretty windy here on the Oregon Coast, trees are always blowing over or limbs falling, so flickering lights is not uncommon. Not every power outage last for 10 hours. Most happen for a couple of hours. Or the lights flicker. Lights flickering is worse to me than the outage, especially when it's some wild voltage spike. Can't be good for our equipment. Marlon, some guys say they buy an inexpensive apc ups off ebay and hook them up to $100.00+ deep cell batteries. I have a few 3,000 watt offbrand ups that cost me about 350.00 or so. I have them scattered all over the place. I usually get about 10 to 12 hours. George Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > >> Don't you have battery back ups? >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >>> again >>> due to all of the power outages. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any issues yet. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > --
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. >>To begin with they're not the best by they are far from "not very good" in my opinion. As far as progression, though, they have majorly improved. The RB4xx series is BY FAR superior to the RB1xx and RB5xx boards. I think the 532s were absolute junk, while the 1xx were decent. The 4xx has been flawless in my area. I have had no DOAs and only one hit by lightning. No random failures! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Paolo Di Francesco < difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > Hi Forbes, > > good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. > > You are not alone! > > The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot > of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower > speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound > familiar to you? > > On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you > try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM > field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not > help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it > depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. > > Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very > good and it's getting even worse. > > Suggestions: > > 1) try shielded cable > 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable > 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one > side to the box (other side) > 4) change power supply > 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it > > Let us know! > > Thank you. > > > > We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a > > Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it > > stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No > > customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much > > snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower > > down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for > > weeks so we had no idea. > > > > Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like > > a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to > > waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once > > it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, > > programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers > > associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management > > side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that > > IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would > > start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. > > > > Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even > > when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from > > remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch > > and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in > > service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the > > switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us > > to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it > > locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? > > > > Forbes > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Teleinform S.p.A. > Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo > Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale > Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 > Fax: +39-091-6406200 > > http://www.wikitel.it > http://www.teleinform.com > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.
I'm getting ready to deploy a number of NS2's in WDS mode and my only concern is the routing protocol. It appears that the NS doesn't have STP or another protocol which can handle complex routing between multiple WDS nodes when they are all mutually associated hence Ubiquiti's suggestion to avoid that and have all nodes in a star configuration. That configuration might no work in my situation. Is everyone running the stock firmware (AirOS) or has anyone ventured into using alternatives which offer more advanced routing such as dd- WRT or OpenWRT with Robin or olsr or ospf? Greg On Jan 21, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Jeromie Reeves wrote: > I have a number of NS5's in WDS mode and they can be accessed from > anyplace on the network. Are you using static or dhcp for the NS5? I > use static. > > On 1/21/09, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: >> all, >> >> Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more >> due to my >> limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf. When I set up >> the NS5 >> as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the >> NS5 to >> create a remote repeater. Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot >> solution works fine through the simple AP. Problem: I can not >> contact the >> NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 >> ethernet). Is >> this normal? Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have >> no >> remote control. >> >> Thanks, >> Marshall >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes, good news and bad news. Let me start with the good news. You are not alone! The bad news is the same of the good news, lately, we are having a lot of problems on the ethernet. It looks like the ethernet port has a lower speed (like 200Kbps) or that you cannot even log in it. Does it sound familiar to you? On some site, it can be some EM field close to you. That's why when you try it in your lab everything works magically. You are out of that EM field, and the interference is gone. Even using shielded cable does not help, because it could attenuate the effect not fix at 100%. Moreover it depends if the shield is grounded to the metallic shell of the box, etc. Moreover, I suspect the overall quality of Mikrotik hardware is not very good and it's getting even worse. Suggestions: 1) try shielded cable 2) try some ferrule on the shielded cable 3) test electrical continuity of the circuit from the cable plug on one side to the box (other side) 4) change power supply 5) if you are using an inject/splitter, change it Let us know! Thank you. > We have a tower with a single radio operating on it. We were using a > Microtik 133 board with a single Prizim chipset in it. One day it > stopped responding to requests through the network using Winbox. No > customers were down so we assumed it was running bandwidth (too much > snow to travel up there). One night about 7 PM we started getting tower > down calls, of course we hadn't been able to ping or get into it for > weeks so we had no idea. > > Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked like > a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want to > waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. Once > it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, > programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower customers > associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management > side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping that > IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC would > start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. > > Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, even > when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from > remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch > and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back in > service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated the > switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow us > to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it > locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? > > Forbes > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I like the tripplite APS 700hf/750/1250 gear. We've got sites with 2 big batteries that should be good for 24 hours with these. I put one at my house after going through 2 APC UPSs in 8 years. We put them everywhere we need long run time, and add batteries for places where it's impractical to take a generator. I don't mind freely recommending them. My competition has already seen how well they work at a mountaintop site where we are both located and has since followed that route in the interest of long runtime. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 07:07:19AM -0800, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> again > >> due to all of the power outages. > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close > >>> to > >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>> > >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>> issues > >>> yet. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>> people > >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >>> basically > >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >>> > >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >>> > >>> David Smith > >>> MVN.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > >
Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.
Yes. the master AP is n.n.125.x and the WDS bridged NS5 is n.n.125.100. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:20 AM, Alan Long wrote: > Do you have the ns5 in bridge mode, and have it assigned an ip address in > the same subnet of the wds ap it is attached? > > > Aerowire > Alan Long > Director of Network Operations > alan.l...@aerowire.net > 687 North Dean Road > Auburn, AL 36830 > tel: 3342759998 > mobile: 336092 > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:14 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question. > > all, > > Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to > my > limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf. When I set up the NS5 > as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to > create a remote repeater. Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot > solution works fine through the simple AP. Problem: I can not contact > the > NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet). Is > this normal? Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no > remote control. > > Thanks, > Marshall > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > Internal Virus Database is out of date. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 > 8:17 AM > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.
I have a number of NS5's in WDS mode and they can be accessed from anyplace on the network. Are you using static or dhcp for the NS5? I use static. On 1/21/09, rabbtux rabbtux wrote: > all, > > Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to my > limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf. When I set up the NS5 > as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to > create a remote repeater. Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot > solution works fine through the simple AP. Problem: I can not contact the > NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet). Is > this normal? Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no > remote control. > > Thanks, > Marshall > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.
Do you have the ns5 in bridge mode, and have it assigned an ip address in the same subnet of the wds ap it is attached? Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rabbtux rabbtux Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question. all, Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to my limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf. When I set up the NS5 as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to create a remote repeater. Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot solution works fine through the simple AP. Problem: I can not contact the NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet). Is this normal? Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no remote control. Thanks, Marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.6/1891 - Release Date: 1/13/2009 8:17 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] nanostation 5 and WDS question.
all, Working with my first NS5 and have run into a problem that is more due to my limited WDS experience, than the equipment itsellf. When I set up the NS5 as a WDS client to one of my AP, then plugged a simple AP into the NS5 to create a remote repeater. Everything works fine, in that, my hotspot solution works fine through the simple AP. Problem: I can not contact the NS5 from the main AP, only from the simple AP (i.e thru NS5 ethernet). Is this normal? Would hate to deploy a few WDS clients, and then have no remote control. Thanks, Marshall WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The best Power Supplies/UPS are...
If I were in that position I would contact Bruce Good at Tessco. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Paolo Di Francesco < difrance...@teleinform.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I was wondering what is the best power supply/UPS that you have in your > sites. > I am talking about something that can accept from 50AC to 300AC, and > convert it to a -48DC or something like that. > > I know that my request can sound strange, and everybody is wondering > "why don't you use APC/HP/whatever in your site?". The reason is that > sites are not like data centers where things are very easy... > > Our national power company has the bad habit to send the wrong voltage, > therefore I was thinking to see around if there is something from > "almost any decent INPUT" can generate a DC or AC. Possibly with an > input protection from over voltage, short cut, whatever. > > Obviously the more features it has, the better it is. For example if it > has smnp, remote power management (on/off, programmable, etc.) would be > nice. I think HP has this type of feature. > At the moment we are using something which is not so bad, it is > monitored (smnp) via a linux box, but we cannot reset-cycle the output > and this is a BAD thing. > > > Thank you in advance for your precious suggestions. > > > -- > > > Ing. Paolo Di Francesco > > Teleinform S.p.A. > Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo > Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale > Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 > Fax: +39-091-6406200 > > http://www.wikitel.it > http://www.teleinform.com > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The best Power Supplies/UPS are...
Hi All, I was wondering what is the best power supply/UPS that you have in your sites. I am talking about something that can accept from 50AC to 300AC, and convert it to a -48DC or something like that. I know that my request can sound strange, and everybody is wondering "why don't you use APC/HP/whatever in your site?". The reason is that sites are not like data centers where things are very easy... Our national power company has the bad habit to send the wrong voltage, therefore I was thinking to see around if there is something from "almost any decent INPUT" can generate a DC or AC. Possibly with an input protection from over voltage, short cut, whatever. Obviously the more features it has, the better it is. For example if it has smnp, remote power management (on/off, programmable, etc.) would be nice. I think HP has this type of feature. At the moment we are using something which is not so bad, it is monitored (smnp) via a linux box, but we cannot reset-cycle the output and this is a BAD thing. Thank you in advance for your precious suggestions. -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform S.p.A. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
You could use a real inverter which has a higher capacity charger built in (much faster recovery time). Another advantage of an inverter is the batteries are sold separately so you can size them accordingly. You could have much longer run time on the batteries. Though having lead acid batteries on site might be an issue and large gelled cell batteries are expensive. Maybe it wouldn't be cost effective to use such a system for the rare power outage. This little unit delivers 1000 watts continuous (3000 watts surge) and has a 50 amp battery charger. http://www.xantrex.com/web/id/55/p/1/pt/9/product.asp Greg On Jan 21, 2009, at 10:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Batteries won't last more then a few hours. Our NOC uses 300 watts > and we have a 2200va UP - about 1h 15h run time until generators come > into play. > > On 1/21/09, George Rogato wrote: >> Don't you have battery back ups? >> >> >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are >>> offline again >>> >>> due to all of the power outages. >>> marlon >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close to triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any issues yet. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > --- Henry Spencer > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
The last peak was around noon yesterday, give or take a couple of hours. Not the biggest peak but obviously higher then average! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > Yeah. But they don't last forever. > > I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. > > Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a > good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's > not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. > > Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many > generators. > > Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more > than I have! grin > > People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone > companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in > place > I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more > generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. > > The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long > it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "George Rogato" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > > > > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline > >> again > >> due to all of the power outages. > >> marlon > >> > >> - Original Message - > >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >> > >> > >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing > close > >>> to > >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. > >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... > >>> > >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any > >>> issues > >>> yet. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > >>> > >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from > >>> people > >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling > >>> basically > >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. > >>> > >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) > >>> > >>> David Smith > >>> MVN.net > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> > > >> > >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >> > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Yeah. But they don't last forever. I've also found that they drain faster than they charge too. Right now I have rolling power outages in at least 4 towns spread out by a good 80 miles via road. The power is on, then off then on then off. It's not like I can just got to town A and fire up a generator. Plus, these towns combine for a total of 11 sites! I don't have that many generators. Wanna know the funny part? In Wilbur, AT&T's cell tower has been down more than I have! grin People still had phone service most of the time. One of the cell phone companies stayed up. If there was NO communications infrastructure in place I'd have worked harder to keep things running. Without help and a lot more generators/gas cans it just wasn't possible though. The weather is supposed to break today or tomorrow. I don't know how long it'll take to clean up all of the broken limbs etc. though. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline >> again >> due to all of the power outages. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close >>> to >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >>> issues >>> yet. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from >>> people >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>> basically >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
Batteries won't last more then a few hours. Our NOC uses 300 watts and we have a 2200va UP - about 1h 15h run time until generators come into play. On 1/21/09, George Rogato wrote: > Don't you have battery back ups? > > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> Looks pretty normal around here. But some of our towers are offline again >> >> due to all of the power outages. >> marlon >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Eric Tykwinski" >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >> >> >>> Everyone on NANOG has been saying the same. We're actually seeing close >>> to >>> triple on downloading today, starting about 9AM EST. >>> Thankfully no issues on capacity at all on our end... >>> >>> I'm actually surprised the sites serving the videos aren't having any >>> issues >>> yet. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of David E. Smith >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 12:46 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC! >>> >>> Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people >>> streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling >>> basically >>> double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. >>> >>> (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) >>> >>> David Smith >>> MVN.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Billboard Contact Info
Although there's not any that are of immediate help to me, I'm sure there are for others and options are always good! How are they in line of ease to work with\pricing... are they an American Tower or are they a Frosty Towers? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 2:34 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Billboard Contact Info > For anyone who is interested: > > Clear Channel Communications > Jim Ajaeb > 888-551-7483 > tow...@clearchannel.com > www.towers.clearchannel.com > > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness
Hi Forbes... YOu can also look at the connectors on the cable you might want to try and put new ones on there. Also, did you try a different POE injector at the tower? Let us know what you come up with. Leon * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:33 PM: > Hi Forbes > > A few questions/comments: > : > How long is the ethernet run? > > About 50 feet > > We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. > > We brought the 133 back into the office and had no problem accessing it > with short length Cat 5 and the wireless worked great, same for the new > 433A board. So this leaves us with the 433AH and one card working at the > 50 foot length radio mount but not the 133 or 433a which work perfectly > in the office. > > You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, > only IPs. > How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it > to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. > > We can try this. > > Forbes > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:21 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Microtik Remote Weirdness > > * Forbes Mercy wrote, On 1/20/2009 7:00 PM: > >> >> >> Took a back-up 433AH board up and used the same radio card, worked >> > like > >> a charm for both our access and customer throughput. We didn't want >> > to > >> waste a three port/LAN board so ordered a 433a single port board. >> > Once > >> it arrived we logged into it by MAC in the office with no problem, >> programmed it and sent it up to the tower. Once on the tower >> > customers > >> associated just fine but once again we couldn't access the management >> side. We saw the MAC and the identity for it but we couldn't ping >> > that > >> IP (yes, the 433AH radio was unplugged) and trying to load by MAC >> > would > >> start the RouterOS download but at various places it would crash. >> >> Moved the 433A down to the hut and a laptop easily logged into it, >> > even > >> when plugged into the switch, but we still couldn't log into it from >> remote, although the laptop on scene was going through the same switch >> and by MAC just like we were trying, sigh. OK we put the 433AH back >> > in > >> service and again everything worked great. I'm stumped, we isolated >> > the > >> switch, Cat 5, and IP Address but those two single cards won't allow >> > us > >> to log in over using Winbox either by IP or by MAC while it allows it >> locally. *banging head against the wall. Any ideas? >> > Hi Forbes > > A few questions/comments: > : > How long is the ethernet run? > We had a MTK client radio on an RB113 go irratic at times. > You can't upload into the MTK when using Winbox with the MAC address, > only IPs. > How about duplex/speed are they both matched? You might want to crank it > > to 10M/FULL and see if that helps. > > Leon > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.10/1905 - Release Date: > 1/20/2009 2:34 PM > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
