Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
My iphone has a SIP client that can do this -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Paragon Wireless makes a great dual-mode phone that works flawlessly GSM/Wi-Fi VoIP (my boss has been using one for over a year). About $400 retail, and $250 bulk. We considered introducing the phone, but chose not to. It's a more complex sale and marketing challenge, coupled with additional customer service requirements. Also a significant inventory carrying cost if we were to wholesale the product. Ron -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? My iphone has a SIP client that can do this -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Didn't you see my post? That should work independent of what the carrier does. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:01 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? cell over wifi. Your right T mobile is not an option. It's ATT. You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap and connect back to the cell companies service via sip. Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard that says they have such a phone. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
There are several - the calls completed over WiFi are not, however, Cellular calls - they are VOIP calls Aaron D. Osgood Streamline Solutions L.L.C P.O. Box 6115 Falmouth, ME 04105 TEL: 207-781-5561 FAX: 207-781-8067 MOBILE: 207-831-5829 PAGE: 2078315...@vtext.com AOLIM: OzCom1 ICQ: 206889374 aosg...@streamline-solutions.net Blog: http://streamlinesolutionsllc.blogspot.com/ http://www.streamline-solutions.net http://www.WMDaWARe.com Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
Sure it matters! I run a private company. We have enough laws, rules, and regualtions to abide by as it is. It's enough to make you dizzy. To open up your books to politicians and the likes with nothing better to do than pick on capitalist is a disaster in the making. I know plenty of farmers that will tell you their stories. I'm an honest guy and go overboard to make sure I play by the rules but I dont trust others and their agendas. -RickG On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Does it matter..? On 5/26/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money? -RickG On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Scott, Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a science project to see what type of applicants and applications are receieved. What you need to do is 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you got some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward thinking :-) 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas. 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and rules are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate. 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and rules a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time left, and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT deadline. The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details when it is released. In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available. The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know for a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be any reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without the WISP giving their business away. Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is that they never applied. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? Even here, I eventually expect competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the secret sauce so I can be better prepared for that day. What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400 I find the secret sauce of converting a customer a very interesting subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly competitive market and I could not overcome the go with
Re: [WISPA] TVSS
I have a Cutler Hammer cvl 50 at my datacenter. http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Markets/Electrical/Products/PowerQualityManagement/TransientVoltageSurgeSuppression/LightCommercialSurgeProtectionCVL/index.htm No idea what's at home. Just two little breaker looking things in the panel that have an LED and a label that say protection. I think you can get these at the big box hardware stores if you have a standard breaker style. In either case, they were obtained and installed by an electrician, and I'm not sure where he got them. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:10:54PM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: What TVSS do you use, and where do you get it? Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TVSS I've got a whole building TVSS on the three phase at my datacenter building; it's a separate module that goes next to the breaker panel. 8 years and no lighting problems despite being connected to a tower. I also use UPSs and have an extensive underground grounding network, and the generator waits a minute for things to stabilize before returning to utility power after an outage. We also keep all the wireless equipment on one rack, and link it to the other racks with fiber for connectivity, just to limit the scope of any potential ethernet based surges. I've got a whole building TVSS on my home, where it's like a LED+circuit breaker on each 120v leg. 9 years and no lightning problems, with about 8 antennas on the roof. I also use UPSs, and have a diesel generator but it's not automatic. I'll probably continue to buy the whole building protection for any new building power wiring projects. It seems like a low cost layer of protection compared to the amount of damagable electronics in a house or computing environment or other elaborate protection systems. We use a mix of APC and Tripplite UPS systems. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 09:58:40AM -0400, Eric Rogers wrote: Does anyone have any experience with whole-building Transient Voltage Surge Supression (TVSS) systems? If you have other suggestions, I am willing to hear them. We use APC UPSs, but also want another layer of protection. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?
Audit = excitment, fun, adventure! On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Yes, for the portion of your business that relates to the Grant proceeds. Some disclosure of financial statements would likely be required do to proving your need that you wouldn't do the upgrade without recieving the funds, or to prove your economic need, and your viablity for sustainabilty. But it would be up to you what you were willing to share. Accepting money does not give them the rights to your books, beyond showing compliance to grant terms. There will be a requirement to report deployed coverage down to the census block level, where using Grant proceeds, as well as your prices offered. For example, you would not be audited for prior non-related tax compliance. Auditors would audit grant compliance. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? Will you have to open your books to the government if you take the money? -RickG On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Scott, Here is the best advice I can give you. Rules are not published and nobody knows what will be the criteria for qualification or for actually winning the grants, and I'm not sure NTIA will really know either, even after they publish rules. I think the first allocation of funds will be somewhat a science project to see what type of applicants and applications are receieved. What you need to do is 1) identify the areas that you'd like to serve with grant money, if you got some. Don't overly plan, it will take to much time. Use some forward thinking :-) 2) Come up with a plan of how much additional cash you'd need beyond grant funds, to acheive the plan, if you won a grant for those areas. 3) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula before the NOFA and rules are released from NTIA/RUS, because it will be useless and inaccurate. 4) Don't expect anyone to give you a magic formula after teh NOFA and rules a released from NTIA/RUS, because by then there won't be anymore time left, and everyone will be scrambling to get their grants in with the SHORT deadline. The Legislative Committee is closely monitoring the progress regarding notices and comments released by NTIA/RUS as they are released. WISPA's Membership will be notified of this information and where to read details when it is released. In the meantime, you'll need to gamble, and bet on what you think will be the future rules. WISPs will be fighting against the grain so to speak, because our typical profile will not match the typical profile of the targeted awardee. But the good news is that NTIA/RUS are simplathetic to WISPs, and if they gave a grant to every pre-existing WISP, it really wouldn't be all that much money comparatively, to what is available. The biggest barrier is the reality that its most feasible for NTIA/RUS to award large grants, just because the sheer volume of it. However, I know for a fact, they are trying to come up with ways to include WISPs, within reality. Maybe we'll get lucky, and they'll allow smaller projects, that are well written, and justified. My advise is to do all the business case plannign a head of time, so you are rteady to hit the ground running, when the NOFA is released. Remember, they have not stated that there will be any reward for deploying cheaper. But it is a listed goal, to seek plans that incourage additional investments. Again, that is a barrier, for WISPs that have already invested all their personal resources and capitol, and to attrack additional investors that will bring in operating cash, without the WISP giving their business away. Just remember the largest reason small WISPs have not received grants is that they never applied. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations? Even here, I eventually expect competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the secret sauce so I can be better prepared for that day. What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it. I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Interesting article in regards to your topic. http://www.voipplanet.com/trends/article.php/3820346 I'm out here in the sticks with limited cell coverage in a lot of areas and this looks like a promising line of business. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
All our APs are shielded, flooded. No conduit. All customers are shielded. Everything is, of course, outdoor-rated UV-resistent. Really cuts down on lightning damage, we've found. One of our local competitors uses indoor cable - we do a lot of conversions and find that the cable is in pieces after a few months. Even better are the outdoor surge protectors they install, but don't ground. But that's another issue... lol On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:42 AM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Cell phone with wifi alternative
This will be a much better option than cell phone and wi-fi, in my opinion. The stated launch date is 7.01.09. It will include unlimited voice and data for $70, including all taxes. No hot spots required. www.zer01mobile.com. International dialing will be at greatly reduced prices (for a cell phone). No roaming charges. We will provide the voice application on the data network. The pricing is no longer shown on this website, but they have sent out countless press releases on intended price points. FYI...Ron -Original Message- From: Pat O'Connor [mailto:p...@inlandnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Interesting article in regards to your topic. http://www.voipplanet.com/trends/article.php/3820346 I'm out here in the sticks with limited cell coverage in a lot of areas and this looks like a promising line of business. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] clues for vendors
Names have been changed to protect the ignorant. I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just don't get it. I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax Partner from one vendor or another. Apparently, without becoming a Partner I cannot really learn useful information about their products (like price). I can read through their marketing fluff on their web site, and can sometimes download spec sheets on the products (some require partnership registration to even do this). In order to become a partner I usually have to sit through a webinar to have more marketing fluff pushed at me. Just give me the meat. I pretty much know what I can get Canopy, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Trango, etc. for. I can freely read forums on many of these more open vendor sites as I investigate where I want to invest. I don't need a partnership commitment and a marketing guy to push his spiffed products on me. I can ask for information if I need it, and be enticed into partnership programs that offer me better discounts after I narrow my choices down. To make matters worse, on one particular site, I have signed up at least twice to be a partner and still have no clue why I would choose that company as a vendor vs another. I got one call from a marketing guy ( who no longer works there ) who never returned later emails or phone calls with specific questions about the products. Guess I wasn't worthy of their time or partnership. Just open up the information, answer our questions publicly, and let us scrutinize them and compare stories. I'll never buy your products otherwise. I don't care to be part of a secret society just to get the information I need to make sound business decisions. Am I alone? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
I'm becoming a fan of this stuff: http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban d_cat5e.pdf Specifically the BBDGE cable. It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
The white gel I see is way too thick to run down at all. For APs I have always used the Mohawk cable with a really thick jacket and aluminum shielding. I just ordered what 3db recommended per the Moto400 recommendation. Looks the same, copper shielding, cheaper. For customers I use outdoor stuff by Belden - love working with it. On 5/27/09, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
It does exist. On t-mobile. Att offers inferior service. Call them and ask for the same features as t-mobile. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 21:01:19 To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? cell over wifi. Your right T mobile is not an option. It's ATT. You would think the cell carriers would have a combo sip cell phone that when their service is not in range, the phone could connect to a wifi ap and connect back to the cell companies service via sip. Thats what I'm looking for. I noticed some phones do this but with skype, android I think, just was hoping there was news I hadn't heard that says they have such a phone. e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Not sure what you mean with cell over wifi since you discarded the tmobile phones. They have their hots...@home phones (UMA) which will and can take advantage of a wifi AP and give you coverage where you might not have any or with the $19.95 monthly gives you unlimited UMA calls. In my house there is not a single carrier that gives any coverage worth much unless you like to stand in one place with phone at specific angle and do some magic tricks at the same times. But with the a hots...@home phone from T-Mobile I have now perfect coverage at home. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:28:25 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi? Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
That's the stuff I ordered and will use soon. On 5/27/09, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: I'm becoming a fan of this stuff: http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/osp_broadban d_cat5e.pdf Specifically the BBDGE cable. It's about $400 per 1000ft spool though... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Most of the HTC mobile line does this. I have a 8125 and a 8525 that work very well.. Ryan On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:12 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors
You are definitely not alone. Sometimes it makes sense to partner with a vendor, whether it's preferred pricing, bulk financing, or even branding opportunities that they offer. I get the same calls and emails from vendors and am left wondering what kind of strategy they are applying in their sales departments to not answer my information requests and provide me with responses full of canned marketing trash (spam) and surveys that are irrelevant in satisfying my requirements. John Bates President WHISPr Networks On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Names have been changed to protect the ignorant. I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just don't get it. I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax Partner from one vendor or another. Apparently, without becoming a Partner I cannot really learn useful information about their products (like price). I can read through their marketing fluff on their web site, and can sometimes download spec sheets on the products (some require partnership registration to even do this). In order to become a partner I usually have to sit through a webinar to have more marketing fluff pushed at me. Just give me the meat. I pretty much know what I can get Canopy, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Trango, etc. for. I can freely read forums on many of these more open vendor sites as I investigate where I want to invest. I don't need a partnership commitment and a marketing guy to push his spiffed products on me. I can ask for information if I need it, and be enticed into partnership programs that offer me better discounts after I narrow my choices down. To make matters worse, on one particular site, I have signed up at least twice to be a partner and still have no clue why I would choose that company as a vendor vs another. I got one call from a marketing guy ( who no longer works there ) who never returned later emails or phone calls with specific questions about the products. Guess I wasn't worthy of their time or partnership. Just open up the information, answer our questions publicly, and let us scrutinize them and compare stories. I'll never buy your products otherwise. I don't care to be part of a secret society just to get the information I need to make sound business decisions. Am I alone? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Work order template
What I'm starting to do is have a sheet of all the materials we charge for, one material per row. Each column is a customer. customer1customer2 switch1 0 wrtr0 1 14'cat5 2 0 Like that /\ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: If anybody has a template of a work order that you are willing to share, I would be interested in seeing them. The idea is more for inventory control and ordering. Example: Customer A: Install required Tripod, 10' mast, 15-dbi 900 and Alvarion Radio. Installer would be able to check all this off on the work order. Then customer chose other options, like purchased a router or a switch, or need a power strip because they didn't have enough outlets. So if you have a work order of this nature or any work order template for that matter. I'd like to check it out. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Work order template
Ok so mine is really simple and doesn't have check off boxes, but here it is. We call it our site survey form. We use it to make notes from the customer when they call and for the site survey and then the install. I create the invoice from this as well. Martha Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 */Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet!/**/ Connecting the Capitol Hill Community /* Josh Luthman wrote: What I'm starting to do is have a sheet of all the materials we charge for, one material per row. Each column is a customer. customer1customer2 switch1 0 wrtr0 1 14'cat5 2 0 Like that /\ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Cameron Kilton c...@midcoast.com wrote: If anybody has a template of a work order that you are willing to share, I would be interested in seeing them. The idea is more for inventory control and ordering. Example: Customer A: Install required Tripod, 10' mast, 15-dbi 900 and Alvarion Radio. Installer would be able to check all this off on the work order. Then customer chose other options, like purchased a router or a switch, or need a power strip because they didn't have enough outlets. So if you have a work order of this nature or any work order template for that matter. I'd like to check it out. -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ sitesurvey.doc Description: MS-Word document WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Properly installed, I don't think it'd ever be a concern. But I've seen plenty of towers where two-way guys, or TV guys or insert other non-WISP people who may be climbing or attaching things to a tower will not care much about your Cat5. Think of them hoisting a new folded dipole antenna up, and it slams into a piece of your Cat5, putting a small nick in the cable. Now you've got the potential for water entering the cable. Or those people who use 800 zip ties on a tower to hold all the cable - snipping the ends off and your cable gets nicked. *shrug* Just throwing out some things I've seen in the past. No doubt it's more expensive, harder to work with, but probably worth it in the long run. On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report
FYI...Ron -Original Message- From: Karen Reidy [mailto:kre...@comptel.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:36 PM To: Karen Reidy Subject: FCC Rural Broadband report Dear Members: Below is the link to the FCC's Rural Broadband Strategy Report that was released today. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291012A1.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Waskom Texas
Anybody have service there? Please hit me offlist. Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] tower fix possible?
http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Looks like freeze damage to me. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:30 PM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Randy That's water freezing inside the leg and splitting the leg. I bet the drain holes in the bottom are plugged and not letting water drain I would avoid this tower. I surely wouldn't climb it. And I will call you tomorrow reference your e-mail Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:30:42 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Definitely from freezing as it comes from the inside out. If it were mine, I would figure out a way to get it down with the gear on it and put up a new one. At 40' there are lots of sign and rigging companies with a crane that could pick it up off the base and lower it so you can get the gear off before it hits the ground. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite. Randy rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
We've seen something like this. Engineer recommended taking the same size pipe. Have it cut in half to form a half-moon. Then use U-clamps and clamp around the stress crack. Being only 40' feet, probably don't have much to worry about. -Cameron -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible? Ya'll never did any plumbing, huh :) Water inside froze and split it open. The only way I'd stand 3 rungs up on that tower, is if I had a crane holding me up :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:30 AM Subject: [WISPA] tower fix possible? http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId= 1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId= 1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Don't forget, on a snowy mountain top the change in temp from day to night can cause condensation inside the jacket that pools at the low spot over time. I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
That is caused by condensation or rain coming in the top of the leg. Basically there is no drain at the bottom of the leg and the water is repeatedly freezing at the snow line. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
If you don't have a drain out the bottom it will keep doing it. Randy Cosby wrote: Wonder if we could lift it, pull that section off (it's near the bottom) and put a new section in. Hm... Need to go onsite. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report
I took a little time to scan the report, and have a couple of observations... 1. The FCC is expending great efforts at marginally effective ideas. 2. A lot of attention was paid to middle mile and rural deployments, but missed the largest single issue, at least as it applies out west - that public land is inaccessible. Every mountain in rural Oregon, the places you'd need to put repeaters or infrastructure to create that cost effective transport, is publicly owned, and both state and federal are financially and otherwise inaccessible. Much was made of travel concerns, and while valid, they're not half the obstruction that regulations, cost, and flat out prohibitions are.We could get there on 4 wheelers, horses, or snowmobiles if need be. What we can't do, is use the locations needed. I know this extremely well, as I've been stymied for 2 years trying to reach a major chunk of unserved population. 3. The obstructions that individual WISP's face, at least, probably vary as much as there are individual WISP's, or at least WISP's attempting to serve each specific market.Much of the efforts made these days on behalf of WISP's seem to target a narrow demographic, the large metropolitan model. This works at cross purposes, or at least, without effect, at promoting rural broadband development. I dunno about you, but after reading the document for a relatively short period of time, my eyes tend to glaze over and attention wanders. Is it ADD or these kinds of things just... boring? :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Ron Harden rhar...@voxcorp.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] FW: FCC Rural Broadband report FYI...Ron -Original Message- From: Karen Reidy [mailto:kre...@comptel.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:36 PM To: Karen Reidy Subject: FCC Rural Broadband report Dear Members: Below is the link to the FCC's Rural Broadband Strategy Report that was released today. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291012A1.pdf WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors
Yeppers, it is truly an indication of the vendors lack of respect for our intelligence that makes a vendor assume we are clueless enough to buy their un priced pitch. John Bates wrote: You are definitely not alone. Sometimes it makes sense to partner with a vendor, whether it's preferred pricing, bulk financing, or even branding opportunities that they offer. I get the same calls and emails from vendors and am left wondering what kind of strategy they are applying in their sales departments to not answer my information requests and provide me with responses full of canned marketing trash (spam) and surveys that are irrelevant in satisfying my requirements. John Bates President WHISPr Networks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless visualization
LOL. I can imagine :) I have actually seen it used in several NOCs at large data centers and so forth. I run it in my NOC, along with various other visualization tools (kismet/wireshark etc). Rogelio wrote: I see Etherape running more often in coffee shops than I do in NOCs. :) On May 24, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote: http://www.ittc.ku.edu/wlan/ Also is anyone using visualization tools in your noc? such as ethereape or http://www.rumint.org/ etc? --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless visualization
LOL. I can imagine :) I have actually seen it used in several NOCs at large data centers and so forth. I run it in my NOC, along with various other visualization tools (kismet/wireshark etc). Rogelio wrote: I see Etherape running more often in coffee shops than I do in NOCs. :) On May 24, 2009, at 11:56 AM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote: http://www.ittc.ku.edu/wlan/ Also is anyone using visualization tools in your noc? such as ethereape or http://www.rumint.org/ etc? --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Starting a wisp - required capital
RickG wrote: Charles, I'll check my archives for the spreadsheet (I think Charles Wu has it online someplace) Thanks. I appreciate that. but I believe the financing is only a small portion of the issue. Indeed. Gear is only a small part of the network. I was thinking 100k for capex/initial contracting/build out only. To really do it right as it were. It's the labor. Good, reliable labor, that has experience and knowledge. Very true. I have been building a team for some time and have found it very difficult work. As far as your $100k, there are many variables and more detail is needed. Of course. Which is why I asked for a spreadsheet listing out variables that folks have identified. Sidenote: I dont live there now but I was born and raised in SoCal. When you say medium city, are you using city limits as a coverage area. I ask because in SoCal nearly all the cities run together from San Diego to Santa Barbara. I was referring to population. I live in a city that is under served and I believe I can provide much better service to the city. At any rate, in my experience, whatever budget you come up with - double it! Double the expenses and halve the revenue is common practice. :) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] clues for vendors
HHFFF... You mean this magic secret society decoder ring is worthless? I dunno if I've been wiser or dumber, but anyone who requires me to give them every detail about me before they'll tell me about their product has NEVER had the chance to sell it to me. I get some of the same stuff you apparently get, and have nearly the same reaction. If you want me to invest lots of my time on decisions I already know how to make, then you're just out of luck. I second your notion. Vendors: Tell me what it does. Tell me what it costs. Tell me how it does it. And then tell me why I'd want to buy from you rather than the other guy. Be direct, concise, accurate. Don't waste my time. I'll do my best to not waste yours. Deal? insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] clues for vendors Names have been changed to protect the ignorant. I want to vent for a minute on a marketing practice with some wireless equipment vendors that really just doesn't work for me, or maybe I just don't get it. I get emails all the time inviting me to be a SuperAirPlusExtremeMax Partner from one vendor or another. Apparently, without becoming a Partner I cannot really learn useful information about their products (like price). I can read through their marketing fluff on their web site, and can sometimes download spec sheets on the products (some require partnership registration to even do this). In order to become a partner I usually have to sit through a webinar to have more marketing fluff pushed at me. Just give me the meat. I pretty much know what I can get Canopy, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Trango, etc. for. I can freely read forums on many of these more open vendor sites as I investigate where I want to invest. I don't need a partnership commitment and a marketing guy to push his spiffed products on me. I can ask for information if I need it, and be enticed into partnership programs that offer me better discounts after I narrow my choices down. To make matters worse, on one particular site, I have signed up at least twice to be a partner and still have no clue why I would choose that company as a vendor vs another. I got one call from a marketing guy ( who no longer works there ) who never returned later emails or phone calls with specific questions about the products. Guess I wasn't worthy of their time or partnership. Just open up the information, answer our questions publicly, and let us scrutinize them and compare stories. I'll never buy your products otherwise. I don't care to be part of a secret society just to get the information I need to make sound business decisions. Am I alone? -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
No, nothing like that. The generator had purely electrical failure, and was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, no matter the wind. I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger. Well, when it gets back, that is. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
T-mobile cell phones work over wifi. 1 number. I use it all the time. George Rogato wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: If you have Asterisk you just opened up nearly any Wifi phone to your system. SIP is so universal... Yeah, I have not been keeping up with cell phones. My own is 5years old...doesn't even have a camera or display caller id on the outside of the phone ;( A client was telling me he heard there was a cell phone that when not in range of the cell service could connect to ANYONES wifi. Hadn't heard that, seen the phones with skype and the t mobile cells, but not cell over voip. Which is why I asked here. So I take it there is no cell phone service that works off wifi as well? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
Ah. Was the generator shaft spinning freely during the last two windstorms? A stalled (or nearly stalled ~ 15 RPM) rotor will present a much higher wind load to the tower than a freewheeling one will... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, nothing like that. The generator had purely electrical failure, and was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, no matter the wind. I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger. Well, when it gets back, that is. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
Blackberry Curve and Pearl on t-mobile. Works like a champ. Use it all the time, along with heavy torrenting and other use. George Rogato wrote: Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service? Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?
http://www.villagetelco.org/ Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I bought my E71 unlocked and it is an awesome phone. It even went through a complete washer/dryer cycle with my laundry and came out just fine (after it dried out for a few hours). I have mine setup with my office Asterisk server so that it will try my SIP extension first, then the cell phone number. It's not perfect, but it works pretty well. Biggest weakness is the client on the Nokia doesn't always link up to wifi and register the phone automatically. If I could get that sorted out I would be really happy. If there were more inexpensive gsm/sip phones available, I think we could potentially have a product competitive with the cellcos.It works like this: 1) Get a GSM/SIP capable cell phone 2) Put in a prepaid GSM card from whatever provider 3) Configure the SIP client to work with an Asterisk or other VOIP server. 4) Port the customer's number to the Asterisk box 5) Set up Asterisk so that it tries the SIP connection first, then goes to the prepaid number if SIP doesn't answer 6) Setup the phone so that it goes out through SIP if available, and GSM if not available. 7) e911 goes through the cell phone (no e911 to worry about!!!) 8) Optimize VOIP traffic so that it runs well on your network, to your VOIP server. In theory, this seems like it would work really well. In my area, cell coverage sucks, so customers would be using their wifi access points as little cell-phone repeaters, but the traffic would actually be on VOIP, rather than the cell carrier. Since the cell component would be a pre-paid card, the customer could just buy more prepaid cards when they run down. And 911 is not the VOIP carrier's responsibility - it would be the cell carrier's responsibility.Selling prepaid cards or recharging them could also be a potential revenue stream. Only catch - there aren't any cheap phones that will do this. At least none that I have seen.My Nokia comes VERY close, but it was a $450 phone. We would need to have a $150 phone to make something like this work. Something like this would take the normal cell phone users bill down by 50% or more each month, even compared to the plans that they are offering now. Anyone else out there doing something like this? Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Josh Luthman wrote: Nokia e71 is always unlocked AFAIK (I have never seen a locked one) You use the existing SIM card and get on that GSM network The SIP client connects to his Asterisk server, mine to my M6, your situation may be different... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:08 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Jonathan Schmidt wrote: I have had a series of Nokia phones will use Wi-Fi thru its built-in SIP client directly to my office Asterisk and have been doing that for several years. The E71 I have now is FAR superior to the earlier models in terms of Wi-Fi sensitivity. I use it in conferences overseas...Europe and Brazil and Mexico for free US calling. It works very well and I leave it on during the shows and my office can call me with the 4-digit Asterisk extension. There's a Skype for it and the iPhone, too. . . . J o n a t h a n So the Nokia E71 does cell and sip? Is this ATT? Also, do you buy the phone and use existing cell phone card in that phone and it just works? My original question is for one of my clients, but this phone might be something I want. George WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure...
But the generator is and always has been stalled during wind storms. Nothing's changed, in that regard. This is why we're mystified. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Ah. Was the generator shaft spinning freely during the last two windstorms? A stalled (or nearly stalled ~ 15 RPM) rotor will present a much higher wind load to the tower than a freewheeling one will... Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, nothing like that. The generator had purely electrical failure, and was stuck in the brake mode, where the shaft only spins at perhaps 15 rpm, no matter the wind. I'd like to think I'm thorough, and yet I have found no reason for the tower failure.We're putting it back up about 60% stronger. Well, when it gets back, that is. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] (topic change) sort of tower failure... Was the generator shaft seized? Variable pitch blades locked at the shallowest position? Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Ok, so, two weeks ago, after having stood for 4.5 years, through 2, and I mean TWO century wind storms, my generator tower failed on a very normal normal windy spring day. We took it the rest of the way down, cut it apart, looking for the cause of failure. And found none. No rust, no breaks, no corrosion, nothing. And found while it was down, that the generator windings and electronics had burnt themselves up, as well. A real head scratcher.All the obvious stuff ain't there. All we can think of is that there was some very localized freak conditions that did what the storm a year and a half ago could not do.The storm then was so strong that about 1/3 of all homes suffered significant roof damage. Fields migrated across roads. RV's tipped over. parked Semis tipped over. metal buildings exploded. Wind velocities at the normal stations set records. individual weather stations recorded high hurricane velocities. But our tower didn't bend or even show damage. But two weeks ago, where we had predicted gusts to 35 or 40 mph, caused it to fold.We had changed the blades on it a couple weeks before, on the advice of the maker of the generator. They insisted that wind loading was within 1% of the original. So, we're re engineering it and back up it goes when the generator gets back from the maker (who is rebuilding it under warranty). I love a mystery.NOT. insert witty tagline here WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Quick note on Gel fil I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and teh CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once cable intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged into lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet below the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2 thick direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru. My point here is that there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of verticle run. About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the building's service went down. I went onsite, and a drop or two of water dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh CAT5 at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch. INside the trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5 cable. So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5 area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled 150ft through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch. So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the cable. Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water seperated from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or rust. Or that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables. With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it travels in a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5 terminates in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a client's suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and oose out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can drip on the floor and wall, etc. And cable should always be going upward (drip loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity. If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to use non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with. Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the hassle. I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application. Second, the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and select appropriate shield design for the job. I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the distributor has at the right price, that meets the other specs. If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the gravel on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel. There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as if there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or outside of conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't think the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers?
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
absolutely not. A drip loop is used to prevent water runing down the outside of the cable from running upward into your wall penetration. Because water is outside of cable, it can drain down when it reaches the bottom edge of drip loop. When water is inside cable, it does not have the same option. The more water that builds up at the drip loop location, the heavier the weight that builds up until it pushes the water around the drip loop into the entry. As well, water outside the cable does not rust or short out inside conductive wires. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess. The gel runs down the cable and oozes out all over the inside of the connector, etc. at the bottom of the tower. Michael Baird wrote: We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.42/2137 - Release Date: 05/27/09 07:50:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Michael, I see my last post was redundant to some comments others already made. But to answer your question... We use Superior Essex for critical infrastrucure. We use Shireen cable (allrfcables.com) for all other. Its depended whether you need a .45 dia cable or .18 cable, based on the hole size of the radio pass thru. Note the Mohawk is awesome cable from a durabilty and cost perspective. But, we found it was to hard to work with, to put on the CAT5 ends. It required use of a dremel to grind off the outer cable. The Superior Essex did not have that problem, which is why we migrated to it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling We are getting ready to order ethernet cabling, and looking at some different options for the towers and client installs. I was wondering what people here liked to use. Particularily I'm interested in what you look for in shielding/water protection, should I get a flooded cable, if so with what? Will the gel filled type overheat in the sun? Should i run all of this in conduit, at least for the AP's at the towers? Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Actually I think you had some gel leak out of the cable and not water. Seen it numerous times especially after a warm summer when the gel gets liquefied one place have 180ft vertical 5 ft horizontal and about 15ft rolled up on a 1.5ft diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the bottom under the cable I always find some sticky mess. Never any water tho. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Quick note on Gel fil I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and teh CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once cable intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged into lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet below the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2 thick direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru. My point here is that there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of verticle run. About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the building's service went down. I went onsite, and a drop or two of water dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh CAT5 at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch. INside the trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5 cable. So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5 area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled 150ft through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch. So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the cable. Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water seperated from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or rust. Or that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables. With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it travels in a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5 terminates in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a client's suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and oose out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can drip on the floor and wall, etc. And cable should always be going upward (drip loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity. If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to use non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with. Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the hassle. I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application. Second, the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and select appropriate shield design for the job. I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the distributor has at the right price, that meets the other specs. If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the gravel on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel. There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as if there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or outside of conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't think the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: Wouldn't it be worse if water ran down the cable? On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net wrote: Gel filled on towers is a mess.
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Yuck. I have never seen this with the Mohawk Gel filled cable we use. David -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Actually I think you had some gel leak out of the cable and not water. Seen it numerous times especially after a warm summer when the gel gets liquefied one place have 180ft vertical 5 ft horizontal and about 15ft rolled up on a 1.5ft diameter and bottom feeding a cabinet. At the bottom under the cable I always find some sticky mess. Never any water tho. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 21:05:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling Quick note on Gel fil I had a link fed by outdoor direct burial Ethernet, and the cable came 8 feet down from the radio, went horizontally 50 feet, dropped 5 feet to inside penhouse roof, went horizontally100ft with several turns, then dropped 8 feet to wall cabnet. A mistake was made during install, and teh CAT5 was fed into the cabner from the top instead of the bottom. Once cable intere the cabnet it made a right angle to mid case, where it plugged into lightning protector (upward into the protector). Mounted in the cabnet below the lightning protector was a VLAN switch. At the radio, the 1/2 thick direct buriel fed into the trango radio pass thru. My point here is that there was 150 feet of horizontal cable and only about 20feet of verticle run. About a month later, we had a heavy rain. Several days later, the building's service went down. I went onsite, and a drop or two of water dripped down into one of the ethernet switch ports from the end of teh CAT5 at the lightning protector, and burnt/shorted out the switch. INside the trango radio was mostly dry except minimal dampness arounf the CAT5 cable. So... condensation caused some water to build up and drop into the CAT5 area, entered inside the CAT5 cable jacket at that point, traveled 150ft through the inside of the cable, just enough to short out my switch. So my point is Gell fill has a purpose. To add one more level of protection to stop water from travelling through the inside of the cable. Water can find ways to get it. The Gell will also keep the water seperated from the inside cable wires itself so the cable does not corrode or rust. Or that condensated water does not make it to the inner cables. With that said Gell Fill should not be used in areas where it travels in a plenum/ceiling area that builds up heat, where there is significant verticle length of cable such as telecom risers, where the CAT5 terminates in a space that is a traffic are, that needs to look clean, like a client's suite. The reason is that when the gel gets warm it starts to drip, and oose out of the end of the connector. It can drip into the CAT5 Jack, it can drip on the floor and wall, etc. And cable should always be going upward (drip loop) into a Jack, so gel would drip to a harmless space via gravity. If we are on a flat roof cell site, terminating in a penthouse, we'll usually use gel fill, for longevity. However, we'll usually prefer to use non-gel for other application, so its cleaner and easier to work with. Although the gel has a purpose, I'm not sure the reward is worth the hassle. I tend to first pick the needed diameter cable for the application. Second, the needed durrabilty for the job. Third, insist on being shielded, and select appropriate shield design for the job. I rarely give a darn whether it is gel or not gel, what ever the distributor has at the right price, that meets the other specs. If the cable actually is going to be used in a direct buriel type applciation where their is water buildup, for example barried in the gravel on a commercial flat roof, It would probably be advisable to us gel. There is higher risk of cable puncture, and water intrusion. Where as if there are places to tie off cable, such as to blocks on roof, or outside of conduit, anchored to wall, strappedd to gutter, etc I generally don't think the gel is needed. A good cable will last a real long time, without it.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling I've heard of people being afraid water would get inside the cable and that is the purpose of the gel. Can't say I've ever seen water in the line, but I know I have never looked! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
My experience living in the rainy pacific northwest is, regular old blue or grey cat 5 cable has lasted all the 10 years I've been doing this. I use it on all my houses and buildings. White cat 5 does not work outdoors and deteriorates quickly. Should be no surprise. Up a tower I use an a cable that is flooded and has an aluminum sheath-tube over the inner cat 5 cable. I've bought it for .17 and .25 per foot from an electrical supplier. I like this stuff better than the typical armored gopher cable. One thing for certain working with cables is it's always a learnig experience and as time goes on we seem to always find better techniques. Call it the school of hard knocks. Working with rootennas and those ethernet pass throughs, I've learned to tape them up like an n male connector and to actually fold the cat 5 cable to under the passthrough and tape it in place there. Fixing water damaged connections is not a pleasant experience for me. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tower fix possible?
Get a proff. welder out there. He should be able to fix it. Randy Cosby wrote: http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1420 http://infowest.us/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItemg2_itemId=1418 These pictures are from a small 40' Rohn tower that we are leasing space on. Apparently one of the legs has some sort of stress fracture developing, or there was something wrong with the metal here and it blew out. My first thought was that we had a bullet hole, but there is no hole in the other side. I haven't been on site personally. In any case, we don't want to climb it, and the owner is out of the lower-48 for a few months. Any recommendations for fixing / reinforcing this (other than the obvious - replacing the tower / section)? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
