[WISPA] Billing Solution
What do we got out there for billing solutions? My current one is not working out. I've been using Freeside for a number of years now and I liked it but they don't have any support staff left and seem to be falling apart. I've been constantly requesting an SSL renewal for 45 days and they just can't get it done. It's beyond frustrating, time consuming and embarrassing try to explain to hundreds of customers why my payment site is not secure. I can't take it anymore. I need some recommendations on whats out there. I want good support. I need a solution with support. What's everybody using? What do you like and dislike about it? Brian --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Internet Coverage in Charlotte, MI
I might be able to help, it's at the edge of my coverage area. Send me the address. Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC On 8/12/2016 7:23 PM, Troy Gibson, Byhalia.net wrote: I am looking for a WISP in Charlottle, MI area. This is a city south of Lansing, MI. Have a person searching for service. Thank you, Troy Byhalia.net, LLC Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Ceragon IP20's?
I'm also interested in some feedback. On 6/12/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini wrote: Feedback? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4592 / Virus Database: 3964/7666 - Release Date: 06/12/14 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I've contacted MT support once. It was a week ago. I had an old 532 running 3.x and it wouldn't upgrade. I went to the website, filled out the form, attached the sup file and sent it. I got a reply five minutes later with a new key. I upgraded. Life is good. :) Brian On 1/9/2013 5:15 PM, Scott Lambert wrote: On Tue, Jan 08, 2013 at 08:04:18PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. MT support in their forum is hit and miss. I get timely responses from supp...@mikrotik.com. I don't understand the people who complain on the forums that MT support is horrible and refuse to e-mail supp...@mikrotik.com. I am not saying that Mike is one of those guys. I don't know if his statement is based on experience with supp...@mikrotik.com or not. The east europe/western asia folks just seem to have a bit of a different take on things than we in North America do. I think that's just due to the culture and language differences. They tend to come off as being a bit brusk to us. I don't trust any newly shipping product in a production environment. They go into designated test environments. The Edge Router may be the best thing since sliced bread. However, the devices I've used the Quagga stack on have let me down more than the MikroTik routing stack. Of course, most of those Quagga devices were StarOS which had its own problems. Thankfully, we have completed our 100% StarOS to 100% UBNT AP/backhaul radios with MikroTik routers transition. When I get an Edge Router, I will play with it on the desk. Then it will be put a nearby but small tower site. If it behaves, I'll put one on a non-leaf node tower. I'm not in a hurry to get my first EdgeRouter. Until then, I really like my 493Gs running 5.21. We have not run any production MikroTik wireless gear. We just haven't. We picked up some Ubiquiti gear first. No other reason. I have 6.0rc6 on the MikroTik in the house. It has wireless. It works for my personal devices. I wouldn't consider using RouterOS 6 on customer use gear, yet. Not even when they are calling it the 6th release candidate. It's not a release candidate if you are still adding new features. If you are still adding new features, it is an alpha release... I have a couple of RB2011UAS units on the bench. They aren't in the field for the same reason I would not rush to put the EdgeRouter in the field. UBNT and MikroTik both have software QA issues. At this price point, we get to be the alpha/beta testers. C'est la vie. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs
I believe it was 3/16 for the bottom 4 and 1/4 for the top set and I think the anchors are 136 foot from the base. Brian On 4/26/2010 12:18 PM, Cameron Kilton wrote: What size guy wire did you use and how far away are the anchors? Thanks, Cameron Kilton Project Manager Midcoast Internet Solutions http://www.midcoast.com c...@midcoast.com (207) 594-8277 x 108 On 4/26/2010 10:04 AM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower will take. Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 45g tower wind load specs
I'm having a terrible time finding what kind of wind load my 170ft tower will take. Anyone have a spec sheet to forward me? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How does this make some of you rural guys feel?
Cool. Makes me feel hopeful prices will come down. Brian On 1/2/2010 10:58 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Far East Asia Promotion - International Ethernet. Get 10Mb connectivity from Singapore to Los Angeles for $2000. Offer expires January 31, 2010 Some parts within our country can't get that, yet they're going 8800 miles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors
Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: My rep offered to analyze my statement and he'd provide me a quote, but I declined saying that I knew they'd be lower, and they offered a more accepted API than my current processor (local bank). Matthew Miller Business Development Executive mmil...@ippay.com cell: 630/800-8714 . office: 847/346-0990 x-7025 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 . tel: 847.346.0990 fax: 847.346.0991 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors I've been with authorize.net for nearly 10 years and am basically happy with them. With that said, I considered switching to IP-Pay but could never get a full quote from them. Robert, Please let me know how it goes. -RickG On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Looking at credit card processors again. Been nickled and dimed to death with 2 others. Who are you happy with and do they work with authorize.net ? Bob- Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HELP!!! (resolved)
Thanks for all the responses. I have to give a big shout out to CTI and Jeff Ehman. I didn't end up ordering part from CTI this time but Jeff saw my post and went out of his way to drive over a half hour to Pac's warehouse. He flagged someone down through a window and checked on my order status. Luckily, it had shipped out. So I will have all replacement parts Saturday. But, wow. Thanks Jeff. Go CTI!! Hutton, Allcom PC, Pac, and Defacto Wireless were also all able to get overnight Saturday delivery orders out with only hours notice, so thanks to them as well. Brian Oh, forgot.. Be careful stacking that steel with only a one day cure unless you're using a good mix! We don't need another accident! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:09 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] HELP!!! Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday. We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac wireless. I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out. If not, I have two options. I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself. I need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done. I need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick them up. I am limited on email. Please call me and if I don't answer leave message. I need contact info for pac please! Also, pray for the guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground. It's been 36 hrs and he's still alive. Links to video and story. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_ac cident http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident ' Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] HELP!!!
Help, I had a tower go down. My whole network is down since yesterday. We are putting up a 170ft tower. Pouring hot concrete tomorrow morning and looking to stack the steel monday and be back up and running. I have all replacement gear for Saturday delivery but the stuff from pac wireless. I can't get them on the phone to see if it went out. If not, I have two options. I have a friend in Chicago right now for a wedding, he can bring the stuff back or I'll drive 6 hrs and do it myself. I need an after hrs contact of someone at pac who can get stuff done. I need them to tell me if items were shipped or let me in the shop to pick them up. I am limited on email. Please call me and if I don't answer leave message. I need contact info for pac please! Also, pray for the guy that rode the elevater leg to the ground. It's been 36 hrs and he's still alive. Links to video and story. http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/Faulty_weld_caused_silo_accident http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/central_mich/silo_accident ' Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PS2 Stock
Anyone? I can't find any. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8" Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I sure do love my Milwaukee Li Ion set. It's nice! Brian RickG wrote: I've had about the same experience with my Dewalt and cant complain too much. The chuck binds once in a while and the clutch seems to be going out so...I'll be in the market soon and wondering if there is anything better. Thanks! -RickG On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Chuck Hoggch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have Dewalt Cordless Hammer Drills that I have used that get thru Brick, Mortar, Foundation, etc. Have had the same ones in service for 2+ yrs, only had to get new batteries every 1-2 years. (funny part is one of them is a refurb I bought from an outlet mall) Not knocking the Bosch, I guess when you find one that works you stick with it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 6:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Ya, sometimes you just have to mount on roof. Last resort of course. I was trained by career satellite installers. The trick is putting seal down and running the screws through it. Also, stay above the soffit. I always get the home owners permission. On the brick, I use mortar screws. They work great. So Marlon - you like the Bosch better than the Dewalt? -RickG On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Marlon K. Schafero...@odessaoffice.com wrote: We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configu
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
That is a lot of questions but I bet I can answer with one word. Terrain. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Wow that's a lot of extra work per install! How high/far are your APs and what band are you using that needs this extra effort? On 8/30/09, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: If I did not mount on roofs I would not do many installs, most of my installs consist of 3ft tripod with 10ft mast or 30ft mast on roof peak with guy wires. Mark -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions We mount to the roof when we have to. Last resort but there are times when it's the only option. We put down silicone then run the mounting screws though that. Never had a leak. People have been mounting things on roofs for a very very long time. As for brick, we use GOOD plastic anchors and longer screws than they would normally have. None have fallen off yet. When running the cable I drill the anchor holes into the mortar instead of the brick. I finally broke down and bought a nearly top of the line Bosch hammer drill. The DeWalt cordless is nice, but it's not really capable of dealing with high end brick or concrete. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions What's so bad about brick? I would imagine there is lags made for it (not the mortor). 've always used the saufet ?sp? And gutter to tuck/hide the cable so there is no damage. On 8/28/09, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I agree, I will never again install on a roof. That cost me money once, not again. Can't even tell you how many homeowners have thanked us for not installing on the roof. They hate their satellite dish being up there and are willing to pay extra for anything to keep it off the roof. What I hate is brick homes. No way to mount no way to run cable and for some reason those are always the people who have their computers on an inside wall, are tighter than ticks and don't want to pay for anything but the standard install. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 2:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions I have a big problem with making holes in a roof. I just don't! Reason is, any drip or drop then becomes the internet guys fault no matter if the roof is 40 years old and missing half the shingles already. Too many people out to "gotcha". And the ones who ask to see our liability insurance before we do anything... Red flags! They turn out to be nightmares, we get permission in writing from those folks for every hole drilled. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8" Un
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8" Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mount extensions
Oh ya. I love my lag bolts! A strip of mastic and send the lag right through it. 5 years, thousands of holes and not a leak to speak of. It's not uncommon for me to do a 45 minute install. (I;m the boss. It's not like I get paid by the hour!) Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Tripods like roof hole making tripods? On 8/27/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: I guess I'm just old fashioned using tripods and 10 ft masts. Channel master. Tripods are $18 and masts are $11. We charge $30 for the tripods and $15 for 10ft mast including install. Brian Scott Reed wrote: 4" length of strut at the peak. 5' length of strut down where ever it falls on the eaves. Strut pipe clamp to fit pipe. /\ /-\ / \ / \ /\ Mike wrote: 'splain please! How is that configured? Thanks. At 10:50 AM 8/27/2009, you wrote: ... We now mount 2 pieces of 1-5/8" Unistrut with 1/4" lags and clamp the pipe to it. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.70/2329 - Release Date: 08/27/09 08:11:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone needing a good network admin / installer / wear any number of hats kind of guy :-)
I would like some info as well Jason Hensley wrote: Thanks to all that have replied. I'll pass info along to each of you soon. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:13 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Anyone needing a good network admin / installer / wear any number of hats kind of guy :-) I have someone looking for a change that would make a great employee for someone. I don't have an opening right now and I don't think he wants to stay in this area anyway. Very flexible on relocation. If you're needing someone, please let me know and I'll put you in touch with him. Offlist please. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator
Put the word GREEN in that grant app and you might just have a shot! Not too bad of an idea with those solar panels. Brian Christopher Erickson wrote: The right type of batteries could give you 15 to 20 years of service. And adding a pair of solar panels and an MPPT solar charge controller could increase your backup battery run time from a couple of days to a couple of weeks. And no volatile fuel issues to deal with either. And their PMI interval is a godsend too. And cheaper than a genny. Add another panel or two and you might even be able to drop your grid connection. Remember to eliminate as many power conversions as possible from your telecom power design. -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer 5432 E. Northern Lights Blvd., Suite 529 Anchorage, AK 99508 N61?11.710' W149?46.723' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 10:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Patrick, In general, sounds like good advice. To clarify our intent, in posting. From yr 2000-2008, our model was to 1) Have minimum 12 hour run-time of battery for core cell sites. 2) Have contingency plan for hooking up a mobile gasoline powered generator, in longer lasting Emergencies. (We have a couple hot spare generators) Why are we changing our view point? 1) Many of the batteries have now died, and need replaced. Batteries are still very expensive. Propaine Generators have come way down in price (aka Generac) In most case, the generator will be less expensive than the batteries, based on watt load at the sites. 2) Our network has grown, but our staff size has shrunk. We realize the challenge that more than one site can loose power at once, and harder to get to multiple locations at once with generators. Its hard to know when batteries will hold or not, when towards the end of their life, so its always a rush with the genrators. 9/10 cases by the time we get generators onsite, the power gets restored within minutes. 3) Its easy to throw a generator on a Grant Application :-) We believe permanent onsite generators would likely increase uptime, and not necessarilly be more expensive, for some of our sites. (We'd of course still keep some patteries inline) The question is whether it will be more hassle than we realize to re-fill them and inspect them. Some people told me quarterly inspections are needed, or sometimes they do not start when needed. We are already connected to building generators, where we were allowed to, so we are looking at sites where our only option was to put in our own. I'm still uncertain what objections or preferences property management would have for this type stuff. For example, whether they would be concerned about it blowing up if a gas leak occured. I actually have one building in mind wher egetting a new electrical connector from the roof to the ground would be really a big pain. Would require Xray and drilling every floor of 20. There I'd like to put a roof mounted propaine generator. I was thinking maybe the best option is to just have a small external tank, and swap the tank after use? I would think where there is pre-existing riser space, I'd want to mount on ground level, and run thick gauge AC wire up. Mostly I was wondering if management companies look for specific features for the device, or if Generac would offer all standard features to meet the requirements of code and property managers. For our smaller watt sites, we'd of course stick with batteries. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Patrick Shoemaker" shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small auto start generator Yes, it's possible to get a generator installed on a roof, but it will be an expensive project in our area due to the code compliance issues. However, most commercial buildings will have a preexisting emergency power system for critical loads installed already. There are strict requirements such as sub 10 second startup times, routine testing, and fuel availability requirements. If you talk to the building engineer, you might be able to convince them to allow you a small amount of power from an emergency circuit. The buildings I am in do this for most of their tenants for phone systems, etc. Failing that, have an electrician run conduit to the parking lot and place a power inlet down there. Be sure to have 24 hours of battery capacity, and use a trailer-mounted generator in the parking lot for the rare outage that lasts longer than the batteries. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Tom DeReggi wrote: While on the
Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter?
Don't be afraid to get creative with your backup connection. Mine is a $60 a month 6 meg down and 768k up DSL line. Sure we average 12 meg on the bandwidth graph, but it's better than being off. When I have to use the backup I limit all connections to 56k up and 100k down. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually, I disagree with your example. You let your customer down, not Qwest. Did you route them out your secondary transit? If you didn;t have one, thats not the customer's faught. Did you let him know that you are trying to contact Quest yourself to get more information on an ETA, and influence a work around? Did he feel you were in control of the situation? Or did you leave him to fend for himself, even though you were the expert on the technology? Sending the message, "oh well, its down, not my problem, let all my own customers suffer, so what" is not taking care of your clients. If you had communicated with your client making him feel like you were working towards defending his interests, he never would have took action into his own hands and called Qwest directly to investigate further, and get false answers. So yes, Customers can be irrational, often unfair and unforgiving, but if you want to keep your clients its up to you to deal with it and take care of them. Who's faught it is, is irrelevent. Customer Service is about taking care of the customer. I just lost a customer 2 weeks ago. Power went out AGAIN! It keeps blowing breakers on electrical panels not under my controll or access. I can put UPSes there all day, but that does no good if breakers turn off upstream of my electrical Demarc. But DSL, CABLE, and Cellular EVDO didn't go out every time the property had power failures. It was my faught that I designed a business install to be behind an electric breaker that was outside my control to manage. If I did my job and took care of the client, I would have called the power company or property management and redesign an alternate solution, after the first couple of times the power went out. But I didn't. Yes, I lost the client, and yes, it was my fault. Blaiming it on the Power Company didn't work for long. Just keeping it real. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Ryan Ghering" rgher...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is itgettingbetter? Yesterday, we had a long term upstream outage. Someone in Qwest killed our ATM upstream and somehow we were getting crosstalk to another ATM PVC. (Don't ask nobody can tell me how this was done). In the mean time customers are calling us screaming that they need their net. Our staff politely informs them all day long that this isn't a issue with us, its upstream. Some customers accept that and move on for the day. However the kicker!! One of our customers which is a dedicated 3 meg calls up and asks, "Are you down" I say yes at this time the internet is down due to a problem with qwest in Denver. The customer says "ok, do you have an ETA?" I tell him no not at this time the problem is with qwest not with us. Customer says "ok thanks" and hangs up. Not 20 minutes later I get a phone call from the customer, he's mad as hell and spitting nails. I only caught about 1/2 of what he had said. But it sounded like. "Your a damn lier, I call qwest, they have NO issues anywhere. I want my ** Net or you can kiss my account goodbye a**hole.." Then he hangs up. ( mind you this is a business customer ) I call him back about an hour later and he says he's canceled. And will get service from somewhere else. How can this be? How was this my fault? Customers are irrational and stupid.. Agreed. lol Ryan On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:58 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: roflol Rick this is a GOOD thing Your customers call you for all problems because YOU WILL ANSWER THE PHONE!! Sometimes great service levels suck. lol marlon - Original Message - From: "Rick Kunze" rku...@colusanet.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 5:40 PM Subject: [WISPA] Are customers increasingly clueless? Or is it gettingbetter? Customer calls just now. They ask if the Internet is "having trouble", I reply that there are no outages. She then says she called a couple of her friends in neighboring towns and they were all down too. She asks if any other people have called today with problems. I replied stating that a day doesn't go by without someone calling with such an issue etc. I ask her for some details, "any message on the screen?" She says that a message popped up that said, "No Input". I thought to myself for a minute and replied, "I'm unaware of any Windows message that says that." I asked, "This is in
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation dish
I think they are 10db stock. Boost that to 18 and I would say that is pretty good. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: Have you seen these? http://rfantennadesign.com/page35.html 6-8dB sure isn't much. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11 CPE's
also... Butche Evans CTI Streakwave Brian Josh Luthman wrote: IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER: Roc Noc Quicklink Wireless Pasadena Networks WISP Router Titan Wireless TenX Networks Done business with them all and I am happy. On 7/20/09, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Looking for a good MT vendor. The fellow I've been trying to work with has gone AWOL. I need to get a link going for a community project pretty quickly. Regards, Mike WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale
I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com wrote: I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business. Any thoughts or formulas for determining this? Patrick Nix, Jr., Computer Network Solutions CSWEB.NET Internet Services IT Manager http://www.cnetworksolutions.com http://www.csweb.net (918) 235-0414 Attention: This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] URGENT need contact for Mikrotik Parts near southwest Ohio
I also woke to a site being down (5 actually because they are fed thru the one that got it). I lost an omni (big hole in it), switch, 433ah, 532, and associated cards and pigtails were replaced too. It's was not too bad really. Took me 3 hrs from the time I rolled out of bed to the time my feet were back on the ground and off the tower. brian Josh Luthman wrote: So I wake up with thunder shaking the house and 3 minutes later, text messages start blowing up my phone. I lost two out of three AN50 ODUs and 3 of 3 433ah boards. Two Trango 5800 APs survive (though one needed a new poe). The 493 concentrator/switch lost some ports, too. If anyone has mobile numbers for anyone at Roc Noc or Quicklink Wireless I would greatly appreciate you providing me (offlist) with getting a hold of them. I'm about 2 hours from Quicklink and 6 hous from Roc Noc. If anyone knows of a MikroTik vendor near south west Ohio besides these two I would appreciate knowing about them, too, and would love to get a hold of them this weekend. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone
Same here with a baby monitor we have. I love it. Brian Brian Webster wrote: My GE DECT 6.0 phones have range far better than any other cordless phone I've owned. It's a huge difference. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of Jeremy Parr Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cordless VOIP Phone 2009/7/7 Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net: The advantage of DECT is that it uses a custom frequency. You don't have to worry about interference with any of your WISP gear. Yeah, I have deployed quite a bit of DECT, but if he isn't running any 900mhz, then a Senao is a much better option. The range is very bad with the DECT stuff, even the fancy multi-thousand dollar "enterprise" base stations. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nano's anyone?
I just got 10 from them, after all other sources were dry.. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: First person I would call is Gary Shield Direct Line 956-444-2360 g...@caymanwireless.com Cayman is where I have gotten my Ubnt stuff recently. They seem to do a great job keeping stock with the way Ubnt does things. ** Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: We go through about 7 Nano 2.4's a week. Out of the blue and with no advance notice our vendor says "oh were out until the end of the month. Then I see my two other back-up vendors are also out, Thanks Ubiquity. Does anyone have a source of these so I can get some stock in? I know there are other similar radios out there but I hate cross branding my system. Thanks, Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. forbes.me...@wabroadband.com www.wabroadband.com Ofc 509-853-0858 IFax 509-853-0856 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as older tranzeo. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Is it possible to do a virtual ap in Mikrotik that uses the smaller channels so I can put new subs on that? Brian Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Tranzeo gear supports 10mhz and 5mhz channels on their radios made in the last 2 years. I am using them in 10mhz channels talking to a Mikrotik AP and it works great! Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance What 802.11 gear doesn't? Tranzeo maybe..? On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats a great idea! Of course, you gotta have equipment that supports smaller channels. Egads, another items for my "to do list"! Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Josh Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: That's assuming you're using 2.4 and 20mhz channels. I feel it is only wise to use 10 or even 5 mhz channels. You drop those laptops that can see the AP and think they can get service. You cut interference in half and focus the power in half the bandwidth (bit more coverage!). You can only use things that can use the smaller channels. On 6/30/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: After my last comment on this about the omni, I'm hesitant to give out advise but here it goes anyway: My worst operating tower is quad-sectored. With 2.4GHz it's best to stick with tri-sectors since you only have 3 non-over channels. Just my two cents worth... -RickG On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Robert Westrobert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I decided to just upgrade the whole thing and install sector antennas. It'll eventually go that way anyhow. This spot is the farthest out we reach but last week, out of nowhere, the calls started to come in from that area asking about service so I guess a real upgrade is in order. I have a set of 2.4 sector antennas that have been sitting around unused so I guess that can be the home for them. The 5.8 however, any suggestions on that for sector? Again, going into the 600a routerboard, R5H cards. My 2.4ghz sector antennas are 90 degree, so we'll be using 4. If we use 1 card for each sector on the 2.4, then go with 3 antennas for the 5.8 and use our Ubiquiti XR5 for the backhaul, that's going to fill up all 8 slots on the 600a. Never been to that point before, will our 48v POE run this whole thing or should I just add another routerboard for the 5.8 and the backhaul? My head is telling me to just add the board but the wallet is running away from me -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance http://www.radiolabs.com/products/antennas/2.4gig/2.4-aluminum-parabolic.php If you've got to go 10 miles, then you need gain. From the website. *2.4 GHz 24db Directional Parabolic Grid WiFi Antenna* *The Directional High Gain WiFi Parabolic Grid* WiFi Antenna offers 24dBi gain at the connector and a tight 8 Degree beamwidth. The high gain wifi antenna is an aluminum die cast which is then powder coat painted for added environmental protection. Because of its grid design the antenna offers excellent wind loading characteristics. Michael Baird wrote: Marlon, Not sure what you are saying here. According to the vendors specificatons. Teletronics 15-124 - 19DB horizontal w/8 degree vertical beamwidth. Tranzeo TR-24H-120-16 - 16DB horizontal w/6 degree vertical beamwidth. Yes it is odd that the Teletronics claims a higher VB, but then again it, it cost a lot more and should be a better antenna, as I believe gain not only comes with narrowing coverage (sector width), but antenna design. Regards Michael Baird Gain only comes from narrowing coverage with antennas. If there are both 120* antennas you can't have HIGHER gain with GREATER coverage It takes half the coverage area go give you twice the power (3DB of gain). http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_antenna.h tm laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Michael Baird" m...@tc3net.com To: "WISPA General List"
Re: [WISPA] Antenna Performance
Please show me where to setup 5/10 mhz channels on these five radios.. 2 of these don't even do G, so if they do 5 mhz channels, that is news to me. Deliberant 2100 Deliberant 2500 Demarc RWB-MCPE Demarc RWO Plus Demarc RWO Plus HPG Brian Michael Baird wrote: Deliberant 2.4 gear supports 5/10/20 mhz channel widths. Demarc supports it on their mini-pci cards, I would suppose they support it on their AP/CPE's also. Yes, older non-atheros tranzeo's don't support it, lots of old gear doesn't support 802.11g either. Regards Michael Baird I have a lot of Demarc and Deliberant gear that will not, as well as older tranzeo. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: So as long as you software upgrade your units you can do 5 and 10 mhz channels. That makes the list of equipment that can't do 5/10 mhz channels empty again, unless anyone else has something. No one say smartbridge =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 4:33 PM, George Rogato wi...@oregonfast.net wrote: Josh Luthman wrote: So you can use 10/5 mhz channels with But not.. StarOS WARP Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Actually you can do 5 and 10 MHz channels with star and wraps, but not V2, only V3 . V3 is the beggining of channel widths for star. V2 is old firmware. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?
I don't think the NS2 has the second ethernet port.. Michael Baird wrote: Same OS, same chipset, same radio ns2/ps2, only difference is the antenna size and case. Regards Michael Baird I'm hearing to avoid the ns2 and go with the ps2/5. Less issues. What do folks say? I've been putting some decent load in both a hotspot and point to point configuration configuration. It's worked flawlessly so far. I'm planning to do some pretty serious stress testing on it and see if I can break it. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Please contact offlist. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?
Please contact offlist. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone have NS2 in stock?
website says out of stock. Matt Jenkins wrote: www.wlanparts.com Josh Luthman wrote: I would like to know if anyone has some NS2s too, please. On 6/26/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: Please contact offlist. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] PS2 in stock
Anyone know where or have and ubiquity PS2 in stock? QTY 5-20? Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
Complaints about what is leaking out all over their desk/floor Butch Evans wrote: On Fri, 2009-05-29 at 13:26 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Customer complaints??? About what's inside the cable?! Lol. Not what's "inside the cable", but what pushes OUT of the cable when you have a long run. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet Cabling
The only problems I have had in 5 years is cable wearing through because it was not tied on properly and power supplies and ends going bad because water dripped into then. I've never seen water hurt a cable, even a cut cable. It only hurts the ends. I have had cables get water in them so I make a cut at the bottom of the drip loop and then the water does not damage any more ends and power supplies, it simply drains out. Brian George Rogato wrote: Thats a good comparison Tom. Couple things I should note, which I thought about after I posted. I live in the Pac North West, not the South West, Arizona Nevada or Texas. I'm not sure blue cat 5 would stand up in outdoor situations there when it is exposed to the hellacious sunlight there. And when I run my cat 5 I try my best to hide it so it looks good. Like on the underside of eves and the backside of the fascia board, behind down spouts and gutters. those places do not generally get much sunlight. And it's rare that I do an exposed roof run. I really can only comment on my experience. I'm sure things are different in other parts of the country. Tom DeReggi wrote: You made a good point that regular CAT5 actually can last quite a while, if someone wanted to use it. And the cheapest if they wanted to use PVC, at $60 a spool/box. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What do you charge for a wireless router setup?
Same here. Free if they provide it. $75 including router is we do it. Why, because we want it secured so the neighbors can't have my service for free, so we can password it so they can't screw it up, and we also turn on remote management so we can help them remotely if we want to. I watch the internet and by 10-20 dollar refurb wireless routers and I think I make out pretty good. And for the ones that die, we replace them no questions asked for the first year (because they are refurb) Brian Blair Davis wrote: If the router is there at the time of the install, we do it for free... Pat O'Connor wrote: I was thinking a $35 fee for on site setup. A $20 fee if they brought the router in within 48 hrs of the scheduled installation date. Is this appropriate? What are the rest of you doing? Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WAN HotSpot and Polarity
Dual polarity as in you are horizontal and vertical. Or as in the nano will do either polarity? As far as I know the nano does either (software switchable) not both. But, it would not be the first time I was wrong. Brian Charles Wyble wrote: The NS2 is dual polarity. Not sure what polarity the clients are. We get a lot of Iphones/Ipods as clients. So I haven't done any scientific studies, but wanted to give a real world indication of AP selection and coverage area. Tom DeReggi wrote: well thats interesting, but you didn't address the primary question of polarity. Or what polarity hotspot CPE devices generally see. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Charles Wyble" char...@thewybles.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 2:30 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] WAN HotSpot and Polarity I found that with a NanoStation2 I was able to provide coverage to an entire strip mall. Google earth it: 229 Main Street El Segundo, CA 90245 is where I deployed the AP. It's a fairly standard strip mall. I covered the entire mall, plus across the street in all 4 directions. Tom DeReggi wrote: Over the years, there have been many theories and strategies regarding what polarity is best to use for various purposes. As an engineer, I as well have my theories. But, I wanted to get an updated opinion based on field trials of others, for the following application Application... 2.4Ghz WAN WIFI HotSpot Specs... 1) Average sub located within 100 yards to 1/2 mile. 2) Find and Subscribe by "Search for available Networks", via laptop's WIFI card. 3) If RF signal good enough to get a web splash screen to user, will display instruction for ordering higher gain antenna self-install kit for inside their window mount or balcony. 4) Access Point would likely use a sector panel (60 deg?), with an EIRP of 36db. The goal here is enabling residential users to find the ISP's AP on their own. So my questions are 1. If a Horizontally polarized antenna is used at the AP, Is it likely the consumer will equally be able to find your AP, compared to if it had been verical pol'd? The idea being, horizontal pol's noise floor is much lower in the particular area, and more likely ISP will avoid the noise from consumer APs that ship with vert pol antennas, where end users by default will stick the antennas straight up in Verticle pol position. 2. By the time the ISP's horizontal signal gets to the end user, is it received in multiple polarities, based on all the reflections in end users home and stuff? 3. Are laptop wifi cards typically "no polarity", and pick up Horizontal as good as verticle signals? 4. Laptops would appear to have Horizontal pol antennas in some cases, expecially if a PCMCIA card. Is this true? Or are most laptops starting to embed verticle pol antennas on the sides of screens? 5. Are End Users getting savy enough to move their laptop all around, when they first take it out of the box, to try and find Horizontal pol APs of ISPs Hotspots? In summary If doing Hotspot WAN deployment, and Verticle noise is significantly higher, will an ISP be doing a smart thing putting their sector on Horiz pol to avoid noise, or shooting themself in the foot because they'll be sending a signal cross pol to the average end user's verticle pol's Wifi card, taking a 20db hit off the bat? Sure Horizontal will be better, if the the consumer gets a professional install, or learns to put an external horizontal pol antenna on their laptop or PC. But most people may not know to do that, by default, for hotspot self subscription. (PS. recognize could use dual pol or 45deg off pol, but purposely avoiding that, to try not to interfere with others, to enable more people to play in the same spectrum) What have other's found? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" wi...@oregonfast.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB333/433 eliminating self-interference test Tom DeReggi wrote: Good point but. the problem went away when the mcpi cards each had their own SBC/Case, this would infer card to card or pigtail to pigtail interference, since in all cases the dummy load was outside the cases, from what it sounds like. I guess that should be clarified Kurt, when you tested with teh RB600 and 3 cards on the adjacent slots, was the RB600 also in a case with the holes metal taped? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband Question I have that should debunk that theory that cards in close proximity interfere with each other. Why do the cards not interfere
Re: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters
I'm still up in the air about the bullet. By the time you add antenna and power supply, the cost goes up. But then again, most of us have antennas and power supplies to spare. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: I would avoid Engenius. Heard a lot of good things abot the Ubnt stuff, especially the bullet. On 4/25/09, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Engenius and ubiquity Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications Sent from mobile device -Original Message- From: Rogelio scubac...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters I've got a situation where I need some lower end affordable 2.4 GHz repeaters, and the itch can't really be scratched with a customer CPE device (such as a Ruckus or Tranzeo). Anyone have any 2.4 GHz repeaters that they can recommend? There won't be many people connecting in that area, so I'm not really worried about collision. Ideally, this might be something I'd put outside. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll
I do new wire from radio to just inside the house, and splice. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I've used cat5 couplers before and always end of having to go back and run a new wire so that's what I do from now. Also get to charge the customer more with the new wire. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll splice? We NEVER splice the cable. It's always new. marlon - Original Message - From: "D. Ryan Spott" rsp...@cspott.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll Was it a labrador? I find labs eat cable more than any any other breed. I allow for one free splice then they pay for my time. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Apr 18, 2009, at 8:07 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I had a customers dog chew through the cable about 2 months ago. Replaced the whole cable at NO CHARGE and thought that was the end of it. Then just last week they had problems and I went out and the dog chewed through the new wire AGAIN! I was so mad that I was ready to shoot the dog. I replaced the entire cable again and charged them $50. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll We don't charge anything to fix problems with the radio, router or cable. The only time we charge is if the customer requests the antenna to be moved, or they cause the problem (cut the cable, dog chews it, etc.). Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp subscriber equipment. We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially when we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch services, etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but when they go bad, they're expensive to replace. Like to hear how others are doing it. Thanks, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll
I never used to charge for a lot of that stuff but then one day I said screw it. $75 for a service call. I had some complaints, started lowering the price for 5 minute repairs and decided on another change. I now do $50 service calls. I decided instead of getting complaints about $75 or lowering the price all the time because it's a quick fix that I'd be better off and have an easier time charging $50 all the time than $75 half the time. It has worked out nicely. No complaints and I don't feel like I'm screwing people (like $75 for a 5 minute job). Couple things to remember is my coverage area is pretty small. My office is in the middle so the drive time to any edge is not much more than 15 minutes. We're also mostly residental, so we don't need instant response. I can schedule a couple things in one area to make it efficient. Brian Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Oh my! We could never get away with charging anywhere near that! If we sent our customers a bill like that they would call up the bigger wisp in this area that is doing free installs and just switch. Not to mention the DSL here is $20/month. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 2:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll I think sometimes the provider shoots themselves in the foot, because they don't charge, when a customer would be perfectly willing to pay. For example, The second time a dogs eats a wire, as Kurt explained, I don't think most home owners would mind paying. In most cases we do repair/maintenance at NO Charge, for things that are our responsibilty, that we warrant to cover. And we'll give customers a break now and then, if they are an easy or long term customer of ours. But there is nothing wrong with charging, when its appropriate. Nothing less than $90, our 1 hour min.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll Win:win:win situation! Cops around here...I'm going to leave this one be. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Around here the cops would let you beat them up and still make them pay financially. *grins* Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2009 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll Should have charged them the first time. If someone threw paint on your truck would you scrub it off or make them pay (financially pr physically)? On 4/18/09, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I had a customers dog chew through the cable about 2 months ago. Replaced the whole cable at NO CHARGE and thought that was the end of it. Then just last week they had problems and I went out and the dog chewed through the new wire AGAIN! I was so mad that I was ready to shoot the dog. I replaced the entire cable again and charged them $50. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll We don't charge anything to fix problems with the radio, router or cable. The only time we charge is if the customer requests the antenna to be moved, or they cause the problem (cut the cable, dog chews it, etc.). Travis Microserv my_em...@webjogger.net wrote: I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp subscriber equipment. We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially when we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch services, etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but when they go bad, they're expensive to replace. Like to hear how others are doing it. Thanks,
[WISPA] electricity usage calculator
I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
Ya, i have a couple already. D. Ryan Spott wrote: Go get a "kill-a-watt" http://backwoodssolar.com/catalog/meters.htm and run it for a few hours. You can show your tower owner what you will be using... This little device is also great for finding power thieves in your home. ryan D. Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com On Apr 19, 2009, at 1:06 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: about 15watt total consumption from what you have there. 5w for the RB, then 5watt per radio card (actually little less but no more). /Eje --Original Message------ From: Brian Rohrbacher Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Sent: Apr 19, 2009 14:55 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator
Just found a pretty neat calculator online. They have average prices for all states. http://michaelbluejay.com/electricity/howmuch.html Here is my screen shot on the calc I ran. (I based it off an 18 watt compact bulb. Brian e...@wisp-router.com wrote: about 15watt total consumption from what you have there. 5w for the RB, then 5watt per radio card (actually little less but no more). /Eje --Original Message-- From: Brian Rohrbacher Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] electricity usage calculator Sent: Apr 19, 2009 14:55 I have a new tower site and the owner ask how much electric I will use. How can I calculate that? For now all I will have is one 24v 2amp power supply going to a rb433ah with an xr2 omni and a xr5 backhaul. I can roughly guess the price per kilowatt hr but I need to get an estimate on kw/hr first. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Usage caps
I am just getting freeside up and running for billing and have been playing with cacti for a couple months now. Freeside I am pretty sure I'll continue to use. Any ideas on what would work with freeside to bill for overage? First step is I need to track it, but someday I'll probably start billing. Any ideas? Brian Al Stewart wrote: I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being forced to consider. Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig over that limit? Al - Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Promotion
I'd bet more often that is comes down to who you DON'T want to know. Brian Blake Bowers wrote: Yours had contact info, coverage maps, area served, you would be surprised how many don't have those things. I suspect they just feel that people should know Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "J. Vogel" jvo...@vogent.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion LOL - I agree that a lot of WISP's don't make it clear who/where they are and what they offer via their web sites. My own site is far from perfect, but it has been a valuable asset in procuring business. Blake Bowers wrote: ROFL... I take WISPS to task for their web page, and you bring mine up... I am so ashamed. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Promotion http://www.frostytowers.com/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Vogel - jvo...@vogent.net http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Usage caps
Yes, he is the one who is setting up freeside for me. But I still need a solution to track usage. Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Jeremy Davis? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:22 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Usage caps I would suggest finding out what each of your customers do every month - if you have 98 customers that do 2GB/mo and another 2 customers that do 200GB/mo you know who's causing your problems. I know there is a really well known FreeSide person I spoke with last December, I'll let you know when I think of him. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.netwrote: I am just getting freeside up and running for billing and have been playing with cacti for a couple months now. Freeside I am pretty sure I'll continue to use. Any ideas on what would work with freeside to bill for overage? First step is I need to track it, but someday I'll probably start billing. Any ideas? Brian Al Stewart wrote: I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being forced to consider. Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig over that limit? Al - Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Usage caps
What if I don't use radius? Is it then the way to do it? To implement radius? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: He should be able to do it, I'd think. I'm about to do: PPPoE - RADIUS - MySQL - Freeside - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Usage caps Yes, he is the one who is setting up freeside for me. But I still need a solution to track usage. Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Jeremy Davis? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Usage caps I would suggest finding out what each of your customers do every month - if you have 98 customers that do 2GB/mo and another 2 customers that do 200GB/mo you know who's causing your problems. I know there is a really well known FreeSide person I spoke with last December, I'll let you know when I think of him. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.netwrote: I am just getting freeside up and running for billing and have been playing with cacti for a couple months now. Freeside I am pretty sure I'll continue to use. Any ideas on what would work with freeside to bill for overage? First step is I need to track it, but someday I'll probably start billing. Any ideas? Brian Al Stewart wrote: I realize this is a controversial question, but one we are being forced to consider. Do any of you have usage caps on your systems? And charges per gig over that limit? Al - Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll
We own the gear, so no charge there. But $50 service call if it's their problem. Brian Jason Hensley wrote: Well, we don't charge a dime if it's problems on our equipment or our setup. We charge an install fee and maintain ownership of the equipment. If it's something on their computer, internal router, etc etc (stuff that we don't own or control) then it's $70 first hour, $50/hr after that. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp subscriber equipment. We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially when we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch services, etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but when they go bad, they're expensive to replace. Like to hear how others are doing it. Thanks, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll
Also, a lot of it depends on your competition. If you have no one to compete against, you can really stick it to the customer, charge for everything. If there are other wisps, cable, dsl, you might have to take more of a hit not to lose your subscriber. Brian Mark Nash wrote: We charge $80/hr, 1/2 hr minimum, including 1-way drive time. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll The power supply is going to be a really big argument, I think. Personally, we take care of that cost (as it is in essence part of the SU/SM/CPE). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: We saw a high failure rate on Breezecom power supplies as well. Didn't seem to matter if they were on a UPS or not. I think they just overheat and bake themselves. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll Thanks for the info guys. We have a lot of cases where the power supply goes bad. Is that classified as being caused by the customer? Out where are, the power fluctuates a lot. We encourage people to get a UPS, but not all do. -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 Plexicomm Admin wrote: We never charge a fee if the problem is with the SU, cable, or power supply. *Unless* the customer caused the problem. Then $65-95/hour + material. Dan English Plexicomm - Internet Solutions d...@plexicomm.net | 1.866.759.4678 x103 Fax: 1.866.852.4688 | Emergency Support: 1.866.759.9713 -Original Message- From: "my_em...@webjogger.net" my_em...@webjogger.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: 04/16/09 15:52 Subject: [WISPA] How much to charge for a truck roll I'm just curious what everybody is charging their residential and business customers for a truck roll to fix problems with the wisp subscriber equipment. We've always tried to get the customer to pay something, especially when we have to replace equipment that goes bad. It's often turns into a whole ordeal where the customer gets mad, threaten to switch services, etc. We mainly use Alvarion equipment which is pretty reliable, but when they go bad, they're expensive to replace. Like to hear how others are doing it. Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] Tower climbers in north Louisiana
Mac Dearman http://www.inetsouth.com/contact.shtml Jeremie Chism wrote: Does anybody know of a good tower climber willing to do some work in northeast Louisiana. I have three new tower locations that I am ready to deploy and no reliable tower climber. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP
Scott Carullo wrote: Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing quality voip services. 20 subs on a tower is a good tower for me. If only cows needed WiFi Brian 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does. Its a tough market here with lots of competition. VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw. We have lots of APs / Towers :) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.
Butch Evans and Jeremy Davis are getting me set up with Freeside (partly because quickbooks did the same thing to me). I am not using it yet, but I sure do like that for X per hour I can say, "Hey Jeremy, make freeside do this, and he says ok". Brian Mark Nash wrote: Marlon, I looked at Intrameta and PowerCode and chose PowerCode for bang for buck. You really should look at them. It has its faults, but it's like a drug that we can't do without. It handles alot for us. Do a demo one day and check it out. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop, Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 http://www.unwiredwest.com 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software. http://intrameta.com/ They are a vendor member and good guys. I've talked to them (David Wilson got us hooked up) quite a bit. It sounds like they have a nice system. But the costs are higher than I can justify at this point and last I talked to them they didn't have a billing mechanism in place. marlon - Original Message - From: "Charles Wu" c...@cticonnect.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software. Hi Marlon, In no particular order, here's a list of some of the more popular ISP/WISP billing packages that we see in the market Platypus/Tucows PowerCode Rodopi BillMax Freeside Emerald / IEA Software Every package has their strengths and weaknesses -- ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and business processes to see what's a best fit Whatever it is that you end up with...be sure to check out ip pay (www.ippay.com) for your back-end payments =) -Charles P.S. -- in all seriousness -- QuickBooks does a really good job of hosing merchants (especially ISPs) on their payment processing -- we actually just helped another ISP/WISP pay for a new billing system with the $400 / month we were saving when they switched from QuickBooks Merchant Services to IP Pay -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: memb...@wispa.org; Odessa Office 509-982-2181 Subject: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software. Hi All, I just got a notice that Quickbooks is going to REQUIRE an upgrade in order to continue to keep sending out bills via email. And we have all of 1 month or so to get it done I HATE Intuit and would like to replace them. Here's the work flow in our office. New customer calls in. Fill out signup sheet with all needed customer data. Assign static ip to customer. Enter customer billing info into Quickbooks. Enter all customer data into Access. Enter customer username and pass into RADIUS. Enter customer email account(s) data into email server. Enter customer data into Postini (if they purchase the filtering). Type customer signup sheet info into word doc and store in customer folder. Generate installation work order. Fill out check list showing what steps have been completed. This has worked nicely in the past and "only" takes about 30 minutes to accomplish. But now we're growing too fast and have gotten too big to maintain this. Between tech support calls etc. the office manager is having to bring in extra help. It's only a day per week and it's good for there to be two people there at least part of the time. No one should work alone all of the time. Plus, if she wants to take some time off she will have someone trained in the basics so we'll likely need to keep some extra help around no matter what. This mechanism also gives us a lot of double checks, redundant data points etc. With Access and Quickbooks we can run a very nice mix of reports etc. We do NOT have a customer trouble ticket mechanism other than the file on them. We don't track customers on a per call basis. That's not too bad because we're still small enough that we can normally remember problem customers. This would probably be a good time to change everything though. In my perfect world, I'd have a billing system (that handles all of the taxes for different communities etc.), trouble ticketing, auto server configuration AND deconfig. I'd want good reporting capabilities. I've looked at some of the commercial systems out there, but at $1 or more per month per sub for a full blown system I'd rather keep putting that money into the local labor pool. Freeside looks pretty good but I don't do programming or server admin work in-house. I don't mind hiring someone to set it all up etc. and to take care of the server. But it has to be an affordable solution too. What are people using? Do you like it? If you had it to do all over again, what would you do? Vendors please
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
Wow. I have 200 UBNT radios out there and not a single failure, not even to lightning. These are 2.4, but still. I sure do like them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: I put up some Ubiquiti based gear, one of the radios died about 1hr into carrying traffic. UBNT shipped me new ones to try overnight. I'll update. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" motor...@wispa.org; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ?
How much is the tranzeo stuff going for? AP and CPE? Gino Villarini wrote: Ligowave its ptp in 3.65... Might wanna look at tranzeo for 3.65 ptmp Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Leon Zetekoff Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Hi Marlon...I'd look at the Ligowave stuff similar in principle to the UBNT stuff but I think much better. That's what I'd do today. Take care leon Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I'm looking into this too. So far I can't find a solution for rural towers. A 3 sector install at $20k? Not to service the 20 people that will be able to even see that tower Anyone have any better ideas? marlon - Original Message - From: "Gino Villarini" g...@aeronetpr.com To: "Motorola Canopy User Group" motor...@wispa.org; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: [WISPA] 2nd Look @ 3.65 ? Fellow operators: Any updates on your experienes with 3.65 gear? PMP and PTP? Any updates on experiences with: Redline, Aperto, Tranzeo, Vecima, Alvarion, Ligowave, Solectek, Airspan ??? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
What is the due date for that form? Cliff Olle wrote: With the information that Brian Webster generated for us, we did the filing in 5 minutes. I highly recommend if you are getting close to crunch time and are looking up tract data to give him a shot on this. Best $100 I ever spent. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN oh man, we're STILL working on the 477. Isn't that an absolute disaster? We don't ever TRACK most of what they want. sigh I'm going to have to figure out how to build a query in our access files that will export the data in a file for the fcc. Let them sort all of the crap out. My poor office manager is about ready to quit over this! g marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Piehn" li...@jcwifi.com To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN agreed When we had specific questions, we called ARIN. Got someone right away that new what they were talking about Easier than Form 477 for us Scott - Original Message - From: "Scott Carullo" sc...@brevardwireless.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN You dont need that - just go to their website and you can call too - its easy. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 2:37 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN We probably need to get our own ip addys now. We're using 4 class c's and will need more pretty soon in one location. Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourcing Email and Webhosting
Are you sure it's free? I just went lookin and it looks like there is a cost involved.. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Google is free. Exchange I know costs a copy of Windows 2003 or 2008 plus Exchange. I'm told the price isn't too bad, but that's coming from a Windows-only person. Also factor in your monthly hosting fee if that's the route you go. On 3/14/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We thought of it ... Costs? How about exchange? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA] Outsourcing Email and Webhosting If you want to set it and forget it..Google Apps partner edition. On 3/14/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Hey All We have been thinkig of outsourcing all our webhosting/email services, including regular pop3 and exchange, Anyone can recommend a solid service provider? we have about 50 domains. Just one using exchange, butt would like to start offering exchange hosting Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
huh, must be you can't just type OFFLIST. :) Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
I'm no mod, but lets use caution when posting to this thread. I smell politics. Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] schools
Find all the details in this article. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstorysid=aGq2B3XeGKok U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailout Programs (Update1) By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) -- The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the governments commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nations home mortgages. Brian Chuck Bartosch wrote: LOL, dude, some pretty trivial math would tell you that's clearly not even in the ballpark! Maybe if the stimulus were $7.4 trillion, not $740 billion. But, hey, what's a factor of 10 or so between friends, eh? ;-) Chuck On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Brad Belton wrote: Is it true that the amount of money spent in "stimulus" plans would be equal to or less than the government writing every household in America a $70k or $80k check? Something tells me that would have been better use of taxpayer funds to "stimulate" the economy rather than what has and is been done so far... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] schools Too bad this isn't really helping much. I am heading to a Public Hearing right now for our school district. Even with the stimulus money, they are still talking about getting rid of 20-30 teachers and counselors next school year. And the year after that there may be that many more. That's a 10-15% reduction in our school district. So now it's looking like we did a $700 Billion dollar "loan", and we are STILL going to have a ton more layoffs and businesses going out of business. :( Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Where is this headed? http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/leg/recovery/factsheet/overview.html Is this an income stream possibility for a WISP? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 If all is not lost, where is it? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
It's on the data sheet, but not real easy to read. I only wanted to "guess" so much at all the numbers. I thought there might be a better pattern of info on the fcc site. Brian Scott Reed wrote: Doesn't Ubuiquiti post the pattern on their site? Most of the antenna companies do. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Ins
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I went to the FCC website and typed swx-ps2 into the search box and got no results. Must be it's not that easy. Can I get a little more direction on how to find something there? Explain it in simple terms (pretend you are describing it to someone like Marlon) *ducking*. Brian e...@wisp-router.com wrote: That is just pointers to regulation text. You need to look in the mfg's datasheet for antenna patterns. If that is not available from the manufacturer sometime you can find that in the FCC approval application filing documents available on the FCC id search database. Ubiquiti's FCC id is swx. Complete FCC id for say their XR2 card is SWX-XR2. The Powerstation2 is SWX-PS2 (same for NS2 and Loco2 actually since its a lower gain antenna there for approved for use by manufacturer choice as discussed on the list recently). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:55:45 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] radio mobile
I'm trying to figure out coverage around access points. Eric Muehleisen wrote: FYI...If your using RadioMobile as a path calculator for PtP links, the antenna pattern is irrelevant. Using an omni antenna for both TX and RX will give you accurate numbers. -Eric Brian Rohrbacher wrote: So, I have been working on radio mobile for the past couple days. I need to make my antenna patterns. I use ubiquiti powerstations and need to find the info on the antenna. How do I look up that info on the fcc website? FCC Part 15.247, IC RS210 is the info I have from the data sheet. Will that work? Brian Mike Hammett wrote: Yeah, lot lower risk that way. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Brad Belton" b...@belwave.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ha...pretty funny. I don't buy from an EBay seller unless they DO take PayPal. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Ok, I finally figured out how to send payment to you. I HATE paypal I had to create an account in order to send this. I don't even buy things from ebay if they only take paypal, that's how much I appreciate your helping me Anyway, what's next? thanks, marlon 509.988.0260 - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile For Terrain data, set up RM to automatically grab the correct terrain data as needed. - Open RM - Options - Internet - Internet ftp directory - other - Enter the following ftp appending your region at the end ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/ To determine your region: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_definition.jpg Check ZIP So if you are region 2 your FTP address will look like: ftp://e0srp01u.ecs.nasa.gov/srtm/version2/SRTM1/Region_02/ Let me know when you have this set up. As far as payment, you can do PayPal without an account - just send it to jrichard...@aircloud.com. __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I understand that. Why do you think I'm even trying to learn it? Still, programmers shouldn't be so danged lazy! How hard can it be to put a good install program in place? Or a map (hey, what a thing for a mapping program to include!) that you can click on to download the data you are interested in marlon - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" mmce...@accubak.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile You may think it is a POS but try and buy something that can do what it can. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Sold! I tried to download the terrain data, but I got the NED instead of the srtm. I don't know which data set to get. WHAT a POS system this is! Also, I don't have paypal. If you'll take a cc or check I'm in. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Jerry Richardson" jrichard...@aircloud.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Pl
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
This is how we do it too. If you want a face plate, you are going to pay for it. We get maybe 1 out of 100 who want a face plate. Brian Joe Miller wrote: Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab of paint! marlon - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young Don't they still make plates with just a 1/4" hole in it. No need to drill. George Rogato wrote: I was trying to drill a hole into a blank wall plate. All of the sudden, it shattered into about 10 pieces. That happens a lot with a typical bakerlite type wall plate. Next time you buy blank plates, try to find the lexan flexible ones. Everyone makes them, they are rubber like and when you drill a hole in it, it doesn't crack or shatter. They come in white ivory etc and like I said, everyone makes them , Leviton, eagle, ps, hubble etc. They cost no more. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.8/1985 - Release Date: 03/05/09 07:54:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
Amen. I run the nf bulkhaed, and it goes right into the enclosure. I can change out bad piggies or go from u.fl to mmcx or add a filter or whatever I want. No weather proofing needed. I like it a lot. Brian Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I've moved to larger enclosures with good, stainless steel bulkhead connectors and n-m piggys. Hopefully, from now on I can just change the electronics and not have to even touch the coax. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS:HyperlinkCoax Jumpers I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2-week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com
Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young
Don't forget the expansion joints. I have seen that stuff lookin pretty much like a snake on a good warm day. Brian RickG wrote: I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com wrote: Here is an idea for the tower sitesRun your cat5 in electrical conduit, the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 years now. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry the parts with me. I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I know that connections are almost always the reason for a failure so I want the fewest possible. We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to use instead of this black stuff we're using now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller" joe.mil...@dslbyair.com To: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young I just had to ask..very interesting. --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or something when ever possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a big, ugly wall plate. marlon - Original Message - From: "Joe Miller" joemiller...@yahoo.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they are for the young Marlon, You are joking..right? --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are for the young To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try to get the hole right at the top of the baseboards. Then, someday when all this is gone and some new technology (TV band with no external antenna?) replaces it they'll just have to plug one small hole and give it a dab
Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers
First coat. Electrical tape (sticky side out) easiest to remove 2nd http://www.shop3m.com/80050049008.html?WT.mc_ev=clickthroughWT.mc_id=shop3m-AtoZ-Scotch-Vinyl-Mastic 3m mastic. It's nice and nasty but it's all I've used for 5 yrs. Only a couple leaks. (probably user error) 3rd. Another layer of electric tape. Brian os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: A good final coating over the tape (be it pure rubber or vinyl) is 3M's Scotchkote http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/3MElectrical/Home/ProductsServices/Products/?PC_7_RJH9U5230GE3E02LECIE20OES1_nid=6Q3BGBPJ7CbeFR7R0D83TCgl We used that on seagoing ships for outdoor connections that see salt water, rain, high winds, freezing rain, etc. Greg On Mar 5, 2009, at 2:27 PM, RickG wrote: I use two layers of tape with the coaxseal in between. This protects the connectors and allows clean removal of the coaxseal. In addition, the tape seems to hold up better to the weather than the coaxseal. To be honest, I'd rather get rid of weather proofing altogether and just POE everywhere. Unfortunately, I have found any good sector antennas with radios build in. Then again, it is lame to replace an antenna due to a bad radio. The Ubiquiti Bullets have potential for this use but I suspect you still need to weather proof the connector. Also, whiel they have a lot of capabilities, I havent found a way to shape individual users bandwidth if they are used as an AP. I guess migrate bandwidth shaping to the user side? -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: Is the electrical tape just to hold the coax-seal in place? Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Best Practice: Sealing Coax Connectors WAS: HyperlinkCoax Jumpers Coaxseal and good electrical tape. LOL, I had one tower where the pigeons would peck at the connectors, so I added metal foil tape over the connection. That took care of that! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: The only thing we use to seal these connectors is fusion tape from GB. I can get it from the local hardware store. I suspect that this is a problem. How is everyone sealing connectors on towers? This one particular site is at 3100ft so it gets wind and cold. Snow ice on it for a few 2- week periods per year. Lots of rain during the winter. It's been the worst for coax failures. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hyperlink Coax Jumpers I have used custom made ones from Tessco as well as the pre mades ones from Wisp Router and other places. The last few years I have not had any problems though it may have been due to the fact we put so much coax seal around them. Do you seal it with coax seal (or comparable material)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: We have had about 6 of these fail in the last few months, whereas prior to that we don't recall a problem. They are 2-ft NM-NM LMR195 jumpers from Hyperlink. Anyone else have a problem? Any recommendations on best source for them? We normally only use them on backhauls APs, so when they go bad it's a big frustrating problem. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 78 Centennial Loop Suite E Eugene, OR 97401 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com
Re: [WISPA] The good college try
I wear that hat. "Jack of all trades, master of none" Today, I drove by rental house down the road and saw dish tv being installed. I turned around to go tell the new renter I had wireless internet in the area. (I always find sat tv subs are likely to want internet) So, I go tell him and he says how fast is your service? I say, 3-4 meg down and 1-2 meg up. He says megabytes or megabits? I stuttered for a bit and said, ya know, like a t1 is 1.5 meg, my service is twice as fast. Tell you what, I felt like a moron. After five years of "doing it all" it sure seems like I would know a bit from a byte. Oh well, at least I got the subscriber. So, like I said. Jack of all trades, master of none. Brian RickG wrote: I can identify with both of you. I do it all but it becomes overwhelming at times! -RickG On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:14 AM, rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Forbes, I'm not far away from you, and if you ever need network type help, feel free to holler. I love the technical stuff. Don't much care for the paperwork or installs in the rain, or climbing ladders, or climbing into the bucket on the truck... insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Forbes Mercy" forbes.me...@wabroadband.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 9:44 PM Subject: [WISPA] The good college try The modern day WISP that is smaller has to run more efficiently, I lost my system admin in the last budget cut. He helps from his new job but the network is pretty much up to me, a former ISP owner and not the most technically inclined as I should be. Obviously I have more knowledge than the average bear but reading code, design specs or engineering can sometimes be a bit much, that's why I have the savings from a full time admin to hire people who can guide me. My feeling is Marlon is pretty much in the same boat. While some in WISPA have thousands of customers in more urban/suburban environments we are all rural. Speaking only for myself I'm frequently in over my head, that's why I belong to this group, I'm a much better businessman than tech but I learn easily when I have interest in a topic. We try not to look dumb when we ask for help and try to compensate for the help with volunteering for projects, paying for consulting or just a big thanks. Some on here may think non-geeks don't belong but we're all in this for the same reason, I personally left the Fire Service to learn and build this business, Maybe I can't engineer a backhaul but I can sure do CPR if you need it, done it over 200 times. Just show a little patience and if you don't want to educate the ignorant that's your right but we sure appreciate it when you can help and I for one promise to not ask for too much at once or act like our lovely customers who can't find the start button. Thanks for what you do help, I appreciate it! Forbes From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Marlon, Honestly, based on the questions you are asking, I think you may be in over your head on this project. You may want to seek some help from someone that has actually done this type of work and knows what they are doing. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Thanks. Do you think we need the unlicensed for each hop if the entire network is build in a circle? marlon - Original Message - From: "Travis Johnson" t...@ida.net mailto:t...@ida.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 100 meg full duplex backhaul Licensed 18ghz links with 5.8ghz backup links for each hop. Figure $15,000 per link for everything. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hi All, I'm looking for some gear that'll be rock solid at 15 to 20 miles. Some links may be less, but I'm not counting on that. I'll be hauling public safety, private vpns, and normal internet traffic. I'll probably have around 20 towers, all linked in a ring. I can load share across the ring as long as speeds never drop below 100megs. I'll want things to be automatically self healing if there is a loss of connectivity in any direction. What would you guys use/suggest? I'd love to go licensed (but no 6 gig due to antenna sizes) but unlicensed may be OK due to the failover capabilities. We have to worry about snow, fog and, worst of all, dust storms. What gear would you use? How would you set this up? I'm in the pricing stage so off list quotes etc. are welcome. Pall park numbers are fine at this time, as long as they tend to run high vs. low, I'd rather over estimate the costs. thanks, marlon
[WISPA] 3.65 ptp
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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?
The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it. So, is 1-8 whitespaces? And how do I find out if I can use it in my area. I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start testing, it I would be able to use it in my area. Brian Rohrbacher Mike Hammett wrote: http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is. It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other services. There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Randy Cosby" dco...@infowest.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:28 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card? http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc work: 435-773-6071 email: rco...@infowest.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/randycosby WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?
Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces? Brian Randy Cosby wrote: http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?
So, is it a card that operates in some of the white spaces frequency
then?
Jack Unger wrote:
Sorry, it's not a "White Spaces" card. I expect White Spaces equipment
to be ready in possibly 18 to 24 months.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
The google map that Brian Webster made had channels 20 - 52 on it.
So, is 1-8 whitespaces? And how do I find out if I can use it in my
area. I'd love to get my hands on one of those cards and start
testing, it I would be able to use it in my area.
Brian Rohrbacher
Mike Hammett wrote:
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf
I'm not sure what exactly this card's target is.
It would cover channels 8 - 13, but then also a bunch of 2-way and other
services.
There must be an international band that covers 180 - 280.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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Re: [WISPA] first whitespaces 802.11 card?
I like to plan ahead. But hopefully my competition waits 18 months to look into white spaces. :) I would like that. Jack Unger wrote: Please ask again in 6 - 18 months. White Space is not available for use yet. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Anyone have any leads on antennas for whitespaces? Brian Randy Cosby wrote: http://www.ubnt.com/products/xr1.php WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] enclosure
I have 20 plus of ODE-KAM-IES-11.5x11.5x3-KIT in the air and they have made it through the winter really good here. No problems with any of them. Hinged, no screws. I love them. And I have my pick from the arc antennas to bolt on. http://shop.defactowireless.com/s.nl;jsessionid=0a010c491f43367312351219404088f39f577c2e1405.e3eSc3aPaxmLe34Pa38Ta38Naxb0?it=Aid=1907 Brian Blair Davis wrote: Thanks to all that replied to this. Brad with Defacto got back with me so I was able to order from them. Seems that there may be some problem with their toll free number when calling from Michigan... Thanks again! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
You must not pay federal taxes them. rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: No, it's NOT "my money". insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" br...@reliableinter.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say "it should not be done" and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding
Am I the only one tired of hearing you talk about your classes? I bet if I posted that I had a problem with my truck you would respond. "Switch to mikrotik" "Go to my class" Smiley!!! Smiley!!! Pay for the ads or at least keep them in your signature. PS In case someone didn't know. Dennis teaches mikrotik training. Here is his site. www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp PSS In case someone didn't know. Dennis teaches mikrotik training. Here is his site. www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp PSSS In case someone didn't know. Dennis teaches mikrotik training. Here is his site. www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp Hopefully that is enough free ads that you can relax for a while now. Brian Dennis Burgess wrote: As I say in my Traffic Management and Firewalling Mikrotik Courses, "If you can't identify the traffic, you can't control it, block it, limit it, or otherwise do ANYTHING with it! " Traffic Identification is first! :) * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Patrick Shoemaker wrote: You really need to find out exactly WHAT the problematic traffic is before you worry about how to best block it. Hook up a machine with Wireshark to a tap or a mirrored switch port that is seeing the offending traffic. If you can't immediately identify the problem traffic by looking at the packets live from the wire, you can have Wireshark sort the flows by all kinds of different factors. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Right, I'm routing already to my customers. I just can't seem to identify where the flood of traffic is coming from. My guess is that someone is using some sort of p2p and opening gazillions of connections for either upload or download traffic or someone has a virus that is flooding the network with a bunch of small packets. I've tried to setup some iptables rules in our imagestream to prevent both of these but I am a newbie with iptables and I either end up killing all internet traffic to everyone or it has no effect at all. Does anyone care to share some suggestions for iptables rules using Powercode with an imagestream router. Thanks a million. __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Suggestions on preventing network flooding Routing man. * --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training/* http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp The information transmitted (including attachments) is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. 2510-2521, is intended only for the person(s) or entity/entities to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited, If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Patrick Nix Jr. wrote: Everyday we seem to
Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet
Right. You don't was to be the cause of a "runner" the next time they vacuum. Brian John Scrivner wrote: Carpet has a grain. You cut a slit a few inches long along the grain. You can pull the carpet up over the bit, run the bit slowly and prevent creating runs in the carpet. Scriv On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 8:26 PM, John J. Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com wrote: Is there any reason you don't just cut an X in the carpter and then trim it? John -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:j...@scrivner.com] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 08:18 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet You need to use a sharp razor knife to cut a slit about 3 inches long along the grain of the carpet. Then hold the carpet to the side as you drill. Scriv On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the threads? I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit. I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it doesnt catch the carpet. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance
Good, my liability (with rider for some gear) just went from $2200 a year to $3100 a year. I need to do some shopping. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: We (WISPA) have been contacted by an insurance company that has spent the past six months putting together a package specifically for WISPs. Butch Evans is in the process of making contact with this company now to work out details on how we can help WISPs obtain good coverage at the minimal cost. More as soon as we get additional details. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance We have been using Hartford for three years now and they are very good. Although we have never had a claim. Victoria On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.comwrote: I was informed the Chubb is getting out of the ISP business so that pretty much leaves Hartford so I'm trying to get on with them. I used Sue Larson at United but she must be busy because her responses are usually a week apart and only after I ask her if she has any more questions. Forbes -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of jp Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Without good insurance, there are a lot of things you can't do and places you can't go. We're with Chubb right now and looking into Hartford. We have liability, EO, and an umbrella. On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 11:12:21AM -0500, Mac Dearman wrote: My opinion of insurance is not good! (Insurance is a racket and of Satan -hehehehe) When you buy insurance, buy what you can afford and all you can afford. It has been our experience that we really haven't needed any insurance and it has been a big waste of money, but I do know that for the other types of insurance we have in place - - it's never enough when you do need to file a claim. Don't read me wrong here - I am not saying that you don't need insurance or that I don't have insurance - - I am simply saying that (with hard work - not by luck) you will not ever need to file a claim and it will appear to you as it does me (a waste) until some unfortunate time when someone throws the monkey into the bicycle spokes and the ride ends abruptly :-) We have a $2M general liability policy w/o omissions Mac -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 9:31 AM To: WISPA List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance What do you guys have for insurance policies? I am working with my Hartford agent and I want to make sure I get what I need, but don't buy unnecessary policies. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1662 - Release Date: 9/9/2008 10:47 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps?
But it's your money? You pay taxes right? How can you feel wrong about getting back what they took from you? Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Not me. If it's wrong, it's wrong. I'm not going to say "it should not be done" and then go after the money for myself. I'd have to hide my face forever.Money comes and goes. Conscience is forever. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" o...@odessaoffice.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] What does this mean to wisps? Me? I'm gonna go for as much grant money as I can get. What else can we do? marlon Well, whatcha gonna do? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now
inline Mike Hammett wrote: I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least know what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the whole Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that people don't know how this system works or how to get current information on the issue (NANOG, etc.). There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or hundreds of lurkers that don't know either. You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people to) know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, government policy, etc. While I'm in a better position now, I started with 1 credit card and one idea. I knew nothing but wore all the hats. It's just not possible to do everything. Not the way many wisps were started. Do I miss the days of choosing between buying groceries and paying for my bandwidth? No. But I run an effective operation and don't know everything. Brian - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "John McDowell" j...@boonlink.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now what is that? On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Berber carpet
Cut the slit. Then use a paddle bit. A paddle bit, has a smooth shank unlike a spiral drill bit and is a little less likely to catch. Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Drill very slowly at first. Sharp drill bits. Drill a little, stop, reverse the bit, or pull it out and make sure that nothing is caught on it etc. Worse case, we cut a small slit in the carpet and go down through that. marlon - Original Message - From: "RickG" rgunder...@gmail.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:09 AM Subject: [WISPA] Berber carpet How do you guys drill holes through berber carpet withour pulling the threads? I have the "cutting tool" but thread still grab onto the drill bit. I've thought about finding a metal tube to put the drill into so it doesnt catch the carpet. Thoughts? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Announcements List
I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the announcements list.. Rick Harnish wrote: We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list. This list has been around for a long time but was never really used. This list will be set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list. The list will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through. The purposes of this list will be: 1. New Member Introductions 2. WISPA Press Releases 3. Member News (Press Releases from Members) 4. Possibly For Sale Ads (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola List does) 5. Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists. 6. Fundraising Posts 7. .. 8. .. This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well. If you received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it. We had to remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list. My intent is to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than one list. If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs we operate. Thanks, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Announcements List
oops, I see why now Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I got an email at 5:22 that said I was UNsubscribed from the announcements list.. Rick Harnish wrote: We are reviving the announceme...@wispa.org mailing list. This list has been around for a long time but was never really used. This list will be set up like the advertiseme...@wispa.org list, in that all unique email addresses on WISPA mailing lists will be subscribed to the list. The list will be moderated so that only board members can allow posts to go through. The purposes of this list will be: 1. New Member Introductions 2. WISPA Press Releases 3. Member News (Press Releases from Members) 4. Possibly "For Sale Ads" (thinking one day a week, like the Motorola List does) 5. Any Board Member posts that need to go out to all list members, so that we aren't sending duplicates to those who belong to multiple lists. 6. Fundraising Posts 7. .. 8. .. This list should be operational on Tuesday if all goes well. If you received an unsubscribe notice this afternoon, just ignore it. We had to remove all current addresses before we repopulated the list. My intent is to stop so many duplicate posts for those of you that belong to more than one list. If you get more than one email at a time from this list, you may have several different email addresses subscribed to the various listservs we operate. Thanks, Rick Harnish WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!
anyone have stats on what the cableco and telco cover with high speed access? Brian Jason wrote: For what it's worth (and maybe someone's already said this, but), the US is 3,794,066 sq miles in size (wikipedia) which means the current coverage is 19.767%! That's significant. Jason Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Yes. I can see it now. "Hi mr congressman, we're WISPA, we represent coverage for xxx,xxx,xxx of your voters"..Maybe they would listen Brian Brian Webster wrote: That is coming. See my message about help needed downloading data. The daily updates are coming in so fast that it's almost full time work just keeping up with that. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered! And/or how many doorsteps actually have coverage. Chris And I REALLY want to know how many homes are passed by those circles! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time
I just spent three hrs mapping all of Michigan. I went to wispdirectory.com and visited the website of all 37 Michigan wisps. At each website I looked for a list of cities covered or a coverage map. I then put that info in google earth. If they had a coverage map with blobs, I would use lakes, rivers, and roads to draw the blob in google earth the best I could. If they had cities, I typed the city in google earth, and it flies to it. After it is done flying, I clicked the push pin button and then ok. It's quick and easy. I sent the earth file to Brian and he ran it through his process which draws the circle around every city. The info I just submitted accounted for 29,859 square miles. I urge others to step up and take a couple hrs to map their state. I plan on knocking off a few more when I can. Please post if you have done or are going to do one. Brian Rohrbacher WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Hose Clamps
Looking for a good source, good deal for a qty of hose clamps. I would like to find em at $0.50 each if I could. Probably 2 inch or so. I just need a good size for nano stations. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps
The zip ties that come with them are ok in the summer, but in the winter, they break into pieces every time we try to use them. Brian Randy Cosby wrote: What - you're too good for zip ties? :) These are handy, haven't tried them on the nanos though: http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_126products_id=649 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Looking for a good source, good deal for a qty of hose clamps. I would like to find em at $0.50 each if I could. Probably 2 inch or so. I just need a good size for nano stations. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps
I tend to agree. Even one failure (radio and service calls) pays for a lot of hose clamps. I tend to error on the side of caution when I can. Brian Scottie Arnett wrote: I lost 3 900Mhz Moto SM's due to plastic zip ties breaking, module hanging upside down, and filling up with water. Take my word for it, use hose clamps or metal zip ties. Your back pocket will fill much heavier. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:52:45 -0500 Zip ties are cheaper. Putting them on is easy. Taking them off you cut them and use another. I don't want to hear any hippies complaining about the environment until it pays my bills! On 2/4/09, Brian Rohrbacher br...@reliableinter.net wrote: The zip ties that come with them are ok in the summer, but in the winter, they break into pieces every time we try to use them. Brian Randy Cosby wrote: What - you're too good for zip ties? :) These are handy, haven't tried them on the nanos though: http://www.cabletiesandmore.com/american/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21_126products_id=649 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Looking for a good source, good deal for a qty of hose clamps. I would like to find em at $0.50 each if I could. Probably 2 inch or so. I just need a good size for nano stations. Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!
Yes. I can see it now. Hi mr congressman, we're WISPA, we represent coverage for xxx,xxx,xxx of your voters..Maybe they would listen Brian Brian Webster wrote: That is coming. See my message about help needed downloading data. The daily updates are coming in so fast that it's almost full time work just keeping up with that. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 2:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered! And/or how many doorsteps actually have coverage. Chris And I REALLY want to know how many homes are passed by those circles! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! o...@odessaoffice.com www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
Couple yrs ago I bought a 1988 Jeep Comanche for $100 bucks, and then traded a customer a couple hrs labor for a utility topper with ladder racks. Drove it for about a yr and only had to work on it for one thing (fuel pump went out 2 times because of grounding issue). Worked great until the employee blew a stop sign and t boned an suv. It went end for end and rolled. Everyone recovered. Right now I have a 1996 2wd Chevy work truck V6. Steel rims, bumper, no air, vinyl floor, ect. Paid $3000 for the truck (100k miles) and $400 for the utility topper (guy said he bought the topper for $2400 2 yrs ago) We got strap on chains for the Michigan weather and can get out of anything you should have been in in the first place. In 2 yrs I have changed the oil, done a tune up, replaced alternator ($100), and blower fan ($75). Lately I have seen 2005 plain jane work trucks for 5k. 90-100k miles. There are tons of companies who dump their fleet trucks (with utility topper and ladder rack) at 100 k mile. Just go get one cheap. I got my last one from 1800lastbid.com here is one for sale this week. there are always trucks on there... http://www.biddingatauction.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=818081117 2005 4x4 7k (completed auction jan 15) http://www.biddingatauction.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=818074991 2006 4x2 6k (completed auction jan 15) http://www.biddingatauction.com/listings/details/index.cfm?itemnum=818075820 Brian D. Ryan Spott wrote: 4 door Toyota Tacoma 4WD, 6ft bed: City 16/Hwy 20 Hugely expensive @ 28K new. When you go to buy one, tell them you will wait the 6 weeks it takes for one with nothing on it (service truck). My dealer rolled over and sold me a truck with everything on it for the gadget-less price. I added a ladder rack: http://www.kwikstand.info/US%20Rack/Side%20Mount%20Ladder%20Rack/ladder2a.jpg I like this one because I can make it disappear when needed. I also have a RAM mount: http://www.ram-mount.com/nodrillsystems/nodrillbases.htm for my laptop so it does not slide through my windshield. This setup seems to work pretty well for me. Low maintenance, US Built, good mileage, warm storage/people space in the back seat. ryan Josh Luthman wrote: What does everyone use for a service vehicle? We have an 1999 f250 that is at the end of it's road. It has the cabinets and ladder racks to put al our stuff in. Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge. If you haven't seen these check them out. If we could afford these I wouldn't be asking :( WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OMG...
Here's the deal. You can't stop the spending. You can't. All we can do is take the spending in a direction that helps the most people and is less wasteful. There are two options. Wasteful spending with benefits and wasteful spending with no benefits. Getting rid of wasteful spending is not an option. Brian rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: How could it be off-topic? This list is soliciting money to lobby for pork barrell spending. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" d...@mvn.net To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 6:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OMG... rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Some of the financial and economic advisors I read from time to time are in deadly serious mode and I believe them. They're saying that unless all this debt and spending is stopped and stopped NOW, we're going to face a currency collapse as our currency depreciates to worthlessness. And there are other financial and economic advisors who believe the opposite - that some short-term deficit spending will help bail the economy out. I don't have a doctorate in macroeconomics, and I'm assuming you don't either, so our opinions are both worth approximately nothing. In any event, it's probably off-topic for this list. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website
If so, I can provide a link to my competitions website, they have a map drawn... Would that help? It's pretty big. Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Travis, I'm pretty sure that Brian told me during Animal Farm that he would accept a shape that defines your coverage area. He can address this himself. Rick From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website Rick, Is there some way to make this easier? We cover a ton of zip codes (towns as small as 50 people). It would be easier to just draw on a map... or even if we could provide GPS coordinates (like the four corners of a square)? Travis Microserv Rick Harnish wrote: I believe as Brian gets the new data from Matt and has time, he updates it. How long that takes, I do not know. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 2:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website How often is that map updated? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Rick Harnish mailto:rharn...@onlyinternet.net rharn...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:01 PM To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group' mailto:motor...@wispa.org motor...@wispa.org; mailto:memb...@wispa.org memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' mailto:wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Wireless Mapping Website Sorry Guys, I forgot to post the website. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:47 PM To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group'; memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far Here is what has been documented so far. If Matt doesn't have zip codes of the coverage areas, there is a 10 mile circle drawn around the office address I believe. That is why it is important that everyone registers there zip codes. I would like to see that map turn YELLOW over the next few weeks. From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ben Wiechman Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 1:29 PM To: 'Motorola Canopy User Group' Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far Is there a working copy of Brian's map available for us to verify coverage that we have entered into the directory and ensure accuracy? Ben Wiechman From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:20 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'Motorola Canopy User Group' Subject: Re: [Motorola II] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations So Far Jason, First Question: This lobbying effort is to guide the policy and rules that are written once the Broadband Stimulus Act is passed through Congress, which the Obama Administration wants done by Feb. 16th. I don't know anything about a bailout plan. Our lobbying efforts will try to insure that at least a portion of the funding granted by this act will be reserved for small to medium size companies and we will also be seeking to identify WISPs as credible Broadband providers in many underserved areas of the country. All of our efforts will be to support the WISP industry as the various Government departments work through Second Question: We are working in partnership with WISP Directory and Brian Webster's Wireless Mapping to get a better idea on the actual WISP coverage across the United States. We need all WISPs to go to www.wispdirectory.com and check their company information and add the zip codes they cover. Once those records are updated, Matt Larsen sends the info to Brian and he generates a estimated coverage map by drawing circles around the center of each zip code reported. It is not perfect by any means but it is aggregate data that we can use to prove the scope of our industry to politicians. Third Question: Would you be willing to write some survey questions and send them to me? I'm not entirely sure what you are looking to accomplish but survey's are excellent tools to do this type of study. Thanks, Rick From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Petrillo Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 12:01 PM To: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [Motorola II] Lobbying Donations So Far
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Broadband Stimulus Act Representation Financial Needs
I think $500 for this type of representation would is reasonable. Now I need 59 more people to agree Question, what if three months go by and we have not gotten anywhere? It's not hard to believe that 3 months could go by and it's realized that we need another 3. I mean, can you get anywhere with the government in three months? Can we get a 6 month quote? Would we have to pay it all if we feel our goals are realized after 4 months? Brian Rick Harnish wrote: Craig, Obviously any donation will be appreciated. I believe some of the larger WISPs will be willing to put in $500-$1000 towards this effort, knowing the importance to their business. I spoke to Steve Coran a short while ago and expressed concern over the quick pace this legislation is being pushed through Congress and what would be done from his perspective over the next three months. He will be getting me a plan of action shortly and also stated that once it makes it through Congress, it will be sent to the FCC, NTIA and USDA for Rule Making. At this time, our lobbying efforts will need to be moved from Congress to these Departments to help construct the rules and policy in which this money will be dispersed. We appreciate your contribution and know that we don't want to unduly burden your business with this contribution. We do however see the need for everyone to put up a little so that the aggregate donations can be used to protect our interests. If you would rather make a smaller donation monthly, that can be done as well. Please state that when making your pledge. Every little bit helps! With that said, I also encourage anyone who is not a member of WISPA yet to sign up and support WISPA and these efforts with membership dues. If you have been procrastinating or don't think WISPA does enough for you, please reconsider and go to http://signup.wispa.org and apply today. For the 30 new members or so that have joined in the last few weeks, we appreciate your support. Our billing personnel has had some illness in her family recently and is running behind on invoicing. She will be getting caught up very soon. Thank you for your patience. Respectively, Rick Harnish From: motorola-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:motorola-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Craig House Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:35 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Broadband Stimulus Act Representation Financial Needs I realize that different sized WISP's can afford different amounts of contributions to this cause and I think it is worthy of a donation from my company. What I am curious of is, what would the average donation need to be assuming all Wisp members were to contribute the same amount to make this funding possible? Craig A House Operations Manager Total Wireless Communications. Rick Harnish wrote: To all WISPA members and interested parties, I am writing this as a member of WISPA and as a WISP who is concerned about the upcoming Broadband Stimulus Legislation that is moving through Congress as I speak. I feel that it is imperative that we as a group work diligently to lobby our congressmen on the abilities of WISPs to meet the Broadband Deployment Issues at hand. There is a large amount of funding that will be made available for Broadband Providers to extend their networks. We need to speak up and be heard NOW or we may not have access to this funding in the process of awarding Grants and Loan Programs. To do this, we need to hire representation as a group to make sure our interests are heard as this policy and procedure is defined. We have received a quote from Steve Coran, Rini-Coran and Mercury Strategies to represent WISPA for three months for a fee of $30,000. I have attached this proposal for your review. The Board has this proposal under consideration and Tom DeReggi is heading the Legislative Committee to work directly with Rini-Coran and Mercury through this process. Our concern as a board is that this fee on top of the fees incurred for the TV Whitespaces work that Rini-Coran is doing for us will rapidly deplete our financial resources. However, it is very valuable work that needs to be done to insure that the WISP industry has a future. Our dilemma is that we need to raise additional funding from our members to insure that WISPA can still exist and remain a meaningful Association to represent your interests as this Broadband push continues in the future. I am seeking voluntary donations from individual operators and Vendors to assist in making this happen. We have always kept dues low to make sure we included even the smallest WISPs but our fees do not allow us to have the resources to lobby the way we should. We will publicly post the company names of those who donate to this cause and I am seeking suggestions on how we can compensate those who donate with some sort of
Re: [WISPA] We're being DDOS'd by DC!
I just found this in an article. It points out a couple other events that cause high trafficOne of them coming up in March Brian "According to the Silicon Alley Insider based on data from Akamai the early numbers for the inauguration among news web sites was that they saw 5.4 million visitors per minute. Peak total visitors per minute were 5.4 million, making it one of the top five events ever, trailing both the 2008 presidential election (#1 with 8.572 million visitors per minute at peak traffic) as well as the first day of the NCAA college basketball tournament last March (#3 with 7.01 million visitors/minute )." David E. Smith wrote: Not really, but is everyone else seeing lots of extra traffic from people streaming inauguration-related events in DC? My network is pulling basically double the traffic of a "normal" Tuesday. (There's a lesson about capacity planning in here somewhere...) David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST
Is there a way to add a rule to the mail server that bounces messages with OFFLIST in the title? Brian Charles Wu (CTI) wrote: Ugh...the problem is list rules -- there are some mailing lists when I click reply, it goes back straight to the sender, and need to click reply-all to get to everyone, and others where clicking reply gets me back on the list (and I need to go change to "to" topic) I should probably just go to bed instead of posting at 2 AM -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:59 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST This seems to be happening a lot lately :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Charles Wu (CTI) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... - OFFLIST Chuck, Just a word of friendly advice The Canopy / WISP resale world is a competitive and brutal space -- if your plan is to target WISPs, I'd recommend that you save the trouble and find another vertical market or product The "reseller" cost that you see isn't that far off of what "street WISP" pricing is for anyone who's deploying in any decent quantity -- that's just the nature of the business You need a minimum of $5 million / year in volume and probably close to $500k in stock to "get in the WISP game" -- but at this point in the game, you're in a chicken egg situation, since I'm not quite sure how you'd build up that volume, given that (1) most WISPs already have pre-existing relationships with their current suppliers, and inertia is an extremely hard thing to break (2) any new WISP you spend the time to get going that results in any decent volume will probably get swiped by the "bigger guys" because it ultimately all boils down to price and financing -- and they have the volume and pricing advantage to take you out of the market There's a reason why Streakwave went back to focus on Mikrotik / Ubiquiti 2 years ago Irregardless, whether or not you choose to listen to my advice, Welcome to the big leagues =) -Charles P.S. -- we need to sync up again sometime and talk about how IP Pay can save you $$$ -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... The cheapest I have ever seen large bulk distributor pricing with buyback money is a little over $200 per SM except 900Mhz. Now, if you are looking at the Lite version SM's they certainly can be had for cheaper. All these WISPs claiming cheaper price is not telling the truth. Even Motorola disputes the price when questioned (yes I am a distributor of Motorola products too). Ask that WISP to buy 100 packs from them for me, I'll pay a 10% premium! Also, I agree with both of you here. Having both 900MHz Trango and 2.4Ghz MikroTik, the Trango performs very impressively with 50 clients per AP. I have a few AP's that are currently 100+ and they don't drop packets, and the latency is great in comparison. However, properly maintained 802.11 networks do pretty well also, but I don't see them outperforming what Trango does on clients per AP level. Regards, Chuck Hogg Avolutia, LLC 502-722-9292 ch...@avolutia.com http://www.avolutia.com http://www.shelbybb.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... Matt, I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth and latency at AF09? And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.11... things are not always as they seem. I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong
Re: [WISPA] White Cable Available
I currently pay $105.99 per 1000 What kind of cost are you looking at for low cost? Brian Jeff Ehman wrote: We have just partnered closely with a manufacturer that will have beige and white available. Low cost un-shielded UV, CMX, PVC jacket. -Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Fadgen Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] White Cable Available I have a source for white outdoor cable. I had a Manufacturer/Distributor make some special cable. 1000' is about the same price as General Cable 500' purchased from Home Depot. Hit me offlist for the contact info. I believe Travis buys for the same source. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tower accident
That is the one I have. It's really nice. George Rogato wrote: The last harness we bought had a bar across the seat. My guys like that better because it lets them rest more on their butts than their legs while working on the side of the tower. I think it's Elk River Eagle Tower LX Harness. Not sure exactly though, it's listed at 227.95 and I thought we paid more for ours. Steve Barnes wrote: That's what I like about this list, most every shoots straight to the point. Safety over the check book. So with that said what are some good sources, (Websites) for climbing gear. I know Tessco, trying to find some competing prices. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 9:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower accident Our guys like Exofit the best so that's what we buy. Don't go cheap on safety gear, you can't afford it. Jim Blair Davis wrote: I use mine 3-4 times a month. Spent $500 lanyards and harness. A good set will last many years, be comfortable and safe. Spend the money, you won't regret it. Steve Barnes wrote: New Question on this thread. I need a inexpensive harness. I never climb more than 30 feet on well secured TV towers but Would like to let go at the top and getting tired of my "fall out of tree while hunting harness". I use it less than 3 times a month so I hate to spend $400 for a rig. Any suggestions. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com
Just tried and all it did was yank all the inbox messages. Now I am sending those back to the imap account. It's didn't even try to get the folders. Brian Jay Clark wrote: Is it possible to log into the same account using POP settings and retrieve the mail that way? Jay On Jan 9, 2009, at 9:29 AM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: I have a number of customers that switched from them because of this reason. Just no one there. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Anyone have a good contact at 1and1.com of someone who can actually help me. I moved 125 very important messages in my imap account from one folder to another and their mail server ate them. They tell me they can't help because I use thunderbird.there has to be a backup to that imap account somewhere. I just need to get a hold of someone who will help me. Thanks, Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1and1.com
I will switch as soon as I wait 5 days to see if they have a backup. Brian Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: I have a number of customers that switched from them because of this reason. Just no one there. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Anyone have a good contact at 1and1.com of someone who can actually help me. I moved 125 very important messages in my imap account from one folder to another and their mail server ate them. They tell me they can't help because I use thunderbird.there has to be a backup to that imap account somewhere. I just need to get a hold of someone who will help me. Thanks, Brian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
What happens when you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is, maybe I'm missing something. -John On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
