Re: [WISPA] DC UPS (and Solar?) Setup.
Nice. How customisable is the charge/discharge side of this unit? Would be interested to see if they can be used with LiFePO4 cells. Also, roughly how much are these units? Many thanks, Paul. On 15/07/2016 12:33, Gino Villarini wrote: Just do use this and be done with all: http://www.alpha.com/index.php/products-mobile/cable-tv-broadband-products/ item/2448vdc-cordex-psu-2 On 7/14/16, 5:29 PM, "wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Duncan *//* */Gino Villarini/* President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Scott" <wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of dsc...@onlinenw.com> wrote: >Hi, > >So historically we've been a mostly AC setup, but I'm trying to figure >out a DC setup for some of our smaller sites, and hopefully a solar >setup as well. I'm new to all of this though so I'm trying to see if >anyone has any written guides or part lists. Basic goal is to power an >airfiber or equivalent and A few Canopy or Ubnt APs. > >Here's what I've been looking at so far: > >48v DC power supply >Traco TSP-BCMU360 >Packetflux Site monitor 2 base >Packetflux SiteMonitor 6 Channel Switch Closure Input >Neotonix DC switch > >This seems to work okay, the TSP-BCMU360 charges and monitors the >battery and the Packetflux Sitemonitor provides a network connection to >monitor the status. > >Issues so far: > >I'm running the site monitor off the BCMU, but this means that it's >input power is 48v, I want to monitor the voltage of the battery, but >that's just 12v and I don't think I can have different voltages plugged >into the two inputs to the site monitor. Another option would be to have >the site monitor powered off the batteries directly, but that seems bad... > >Is the packetflux stuff the best solution for this, or is there another >web enabling option? Seem pretty good so far, but I'm not even sure what >the other options are. > >The other issue is I have no idea what I should be using for >breaker/fuses for the equipment. A suggested list of DIN mountable stuff >I should have would be super useful if someone has it on hand. Also who >to order this stuff from. > >The other thing I would like to try is some kind of solar setup. Again >it need to be monitored remotely. Power draw would be as low as I could >manage. This is Oregon, so not lots of snow, but there are a lot of >cloudy days. Packetflux makes several items that integrate with Morning >Star controllers. It that a good way to go? Something like a TS-MPPT-30? > >Batteries are another thing. I'm also very curious if Lithium ion >batteries are feasible yet. This would need a different charger but it >would save a TON of space and maybe even be cost effective given the >smaller enclosure size that would be possible. > >Then there is the issue of what solar panels to buy. > >If anyone has any thoughts, comments, links, documents, etc. I'd really >appreciate it. > >Thanks, >Duncan > > > > > > > > >___ >Wireless mailing list >Wireless@wispa.org >http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com> Version: 2016.0.7640 / Virus Database: 4627/12616 - Release Date: 07/14/16 -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] chilly tower climb
Nah, most skiers don't look where they are going anyway (ducking!) On 13/11/2014 17:45, Jay Weekley wrote: Surely there are skiers that need vision correction. Brian Wilson wrote: Goggles will go right over the top of your glasses. Finally I can make a cogent response on here based on my experiences. As a bicyclist. On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: What if you wear glasses? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net mailto:li...@mtin.net wrote: Get some ski goggles. Keep your eyes warm and your body won’t be so cold. Proven scientific fact. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Managed Services – xISP Solutions – Data Centers http://www.thebrotherswisp.com Podcast about xISP topics http://www.midwest-ix.com Peering – Transit – Internet Exchange From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com mailto:coelh...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 at 6:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] chilly tower climb Amazing how much faster I climb when it's cold outside! -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 tel:903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Brian Wilson currently in Gold Beach, OR ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet? On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote: I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL
Lol. Spoken like someone that doesn't really know much about the subject. I'm not asking if it's possible (which it is), I'm asking if anyone is using them. On 07/11/2014 10:45, Philip Dorr wrote: Unless LiFePO4 has the same charging profile as AGM, it at best would kill the batteries and at worst cause an explosion or fire. On Nov 6, 2014 2:43 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Anyone started use LiFePO4 batteries in APC's yet? On 07/11/2014 05:14, Mike Hammett wrote: I got some from (I think) Coastal Business Machines... somewhere near New Jersey. It's been a while. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSILhttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalbhttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutionshttps://twitter.com/ICSIL *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org *Sent: *Thursday, November 6, 2014 10:11:28 AM *Subject: *[WISPA] Source for used Smart UPS XL Looking for another rack mountable unit and I want to throw in some bigger batteries. The old unit just doesn't have the battery capacity and I'm afraid of asking too much of the little charger. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web:http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Skyline Support - NZ NOC Skyline Networks NZ Ltd 13-17 Putaitai Street, Stoke, Nelson 7011 Tel: 022 639 3328 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik - bridge - van - eoip questions
Why not just have a separate management vlan or just stick a /30 address on the bridge with the other end on the vlan interface at your NOC/PoP? Cheers, P. On 02/07/2014 09:25, Josh Reynolds wrote: So, new question. Special project. cpe Router has a management ip cpe Router has a separate vlan piped to it as well I had lan - bridged - vlan, with vlan assigned to wan interface. This gave me a layer2 tunnel. My problem here, is that I don't have much real visibility or testing capability over the separate vlan. So I'd like to create an EOIP tunnel between the devices over the separate vlan, but I'm running into issues figuring out what goes where. So you've got a lan interface, wan interface, vlan that sits on the wan, eoip tunnel, and a bridge or two, and another ip that goes on the vlan or eoip tunnel for them to communicate over the vlan. Soo: Create vlan assign vlan to wan interface create eoip tunnel assign ip address to vlan interface ? bridge ( lan, vlan, eoip tunnel) ? -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
We also had issues with the routing package on v5.26. Mikrotik didn't want to know as we weren't running the latest release. Pointed out v5.26 was the latest to which they said no, v6.7 is. V5 is unsupported even though it's still available on the website for download so bottom line, unless you are willing to beta test routerOS on your production network, you have no support. Nice. Many thanks, Paul. - Reply message - From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core Date: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 10:21 Hi Brett Hi Paolo, It was pretty bad in early releases of 6, so I've stayed far from it. me too... :( (hey 6.x is still beta not stable) I've recently found a serious issue with 5.26 where the default route from BGP occasionally fails to be redistributed into OSPF, obviously causing issues for the rest of the network. hum... I am running 5.26 on powerpc (OSPF + BGP) and I never had this issue but maybe it's because I have a different configuration Just an idea: for that specific link try to use ONLY BGP (i.e. eBGP + iBGP) so that you have the full route on the second layer routers and you can use whatever you want there the only issue that I see is: and if the poisoning is arriving from te OSPF core? Again I suggest you to use iBGP it will help a lot Especially when it happens on all of our edge routers at the same time. it's often the poisoning issue of OSPF :( The solution from Mikrotik Support was to use 6.2 or greater. well I was using 6.x on my border and after some time the interfaces were disappearing, and doing strange things. I had to reboot and I do not like to reboot the edge... I've been testing 6.7 on a RB450G and so far it's been working without issues. I haven't tested BGP yet. Do you (or anyone) have any recommendations for/against using 6.7 on a MIPSBE RouterBoard (not Power PC) for BGP with a default route, and running OSPF? Nothing fancy, no filtering, etc. Any known stability issues with this basic configuration on 6.7? well I am still away from 6.x for its stability issues. On CCR 6.7 has some flapping issues with the interfaces, people report to turn on the LCD display to have better stability etc. So, maybe it's because CCR is a new product, but what I see is that 6.x is still out of control (well... the routeros in general is out of control) Another option: you could run your edge on openbsd, it works great (I used it for years). Not sure about the performances, I mean 1Gb traffic -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] MPLS / Mikrotik Assistance Needed
Hi Scott, What in particular are you looking to achieve? Many thanks, Paul. - Reply message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org, us...@wispa.org Cc: Carullo, Scott sc...@flhsi.com Subject: [WISPA] MPLS / Mikrotik Assistance Needed Date: Mon, Nov 11, 2013 15:45 Good morning. We are in need of anyone who has deployed MPLS across a WISP network of decent size to help us resolve a few issues we are having with our MPLS implementation. We have about 50 routers / towers involved, fairly meshed. I love and appreciate free advice that can help. I am willing to pay consultant(s) as well. My only problem to date - I can't seem to entice anyone into helping us - paid or otherwise. If you know how to implement MPLS on Mikrotik routers or know someone who does, please contact me, we would really appreciate some assistance. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Ceragon IP-10 Antenna Requirement
Hi all, Sorry for the generic email here. Lately we have been having some major issues dealing with Ceragon (several long stories) so have decided to proceed with an alternative vendor. We are in the process of replacing several IP-10 XPIC links but intend to re-use the equipment at the edge of the network in a none XPIC configuration. To facilitate this we just need additional dishes but Ceragon are saying we are currently looking at significant lead times. Does anyone know of a good reseller that stocks 13GHz or 18GHz dishes of any size that are compatible with the IP-10 RFU-C's? Many thanks, -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
First stage would be to check the basics. Can both ends of the VPLS tunnel ping each other? Are all interfaces between end points exchanging LDP? Assuming this is all good I suspect an MTU issue so have you got any RB450G, RB493G, older routerboards, etc. in the path? - Reply message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 21:03 I have rolled out MPLS on about 4 hops on my network with anticipation of expanding that to all towers once the concept proves itself in this small section on the network. I'm having issue getting traffic to pass through VPLS tunnel in real life. In the lab it works, when we played with it in the past it works. I think we are overlooking something - hard to say because we do not have much real world experience dealing with MPLS anomalies. If anyone has rolled out MPLS on top of an OSPF routed network of reasonable size I'd love to pick your brain on a few things... let me know, you can hit me back on list or off. Appreciate it. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo
Hi Scott, If you perform a ping between your pe routers (mikrotik devices prior to hand-off to customer), what is the maximum size packet you can send successfully, with df bit set? P. - Reply message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com, wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 22:17 Scenario - connected in this order starting at remote site working towards HQ: (link type indented between routers) Customer Windows workstationSwitch of some sortCisco 28xx router with MTU set 1470 (or close to that I don't remember exactly)-ethernet cable 100Mb FDX hard setRB951-2n-UBNT link to shared APx86 MT router-SAF Lumina BHx86 MT router-UBNT AF BHx86 MT router-ethernet cable 100Mb FDX hard setCisco L3 routing switch (don't remember model)HQ Windows server A question about MTU...I have increased the MTU sizes on the equipment which allowed it. I believe the Cisco routers are set to 1470 MTU or something close because packets are all that size when received by us. Backhaul links should allow jumbo packets. Our MT routers have L2 MTU set high - this is actually what the MPLS/VPLS packets use right? I was under the impression that the ethernet interface MTU was just used for IP traffic which has fine connectivity. I can test at the moment had to revert back to eoip tunnel to get it working again. I would very much like to pay someone for their time assisting me setting this up though. Need MPLS on top of our OSPF across the board and we have three edge routers that BGP peer with three upstream providers in three different cities. The sooner I accomplish this the better and at this point I'm asking for help because I don't have the luxury of time. This would be way better for someone to just look at my screen logged into router and check settings themselves... Too many settings on too many devices to type :) Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 4:24 PM To: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com, wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo First stage would be to check the basics. Can both ends of the VPLS tunnel ping each other? Are all interfaces between end points exchanging LDP? Assuming this is all good I suspect an MTU issue so have you got any RB450G, RB493G, older routerboards, etc. in the path? - Reply message - From: Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik MPLS voodoo Date: Sat, Jul 13, 2013 21:03 I have rolled out MPLS on about 4 hops on my network with anticipation of expanding that to all towers once the concept proves itself in this small section on the network. I'm having issue getting traffic to pass through VPLS tunnel in real life. In the lab it works, when we played with it in the past it works. I think we are overlooking something - hard to say because we do not have much real world experience dealing with MPLS anomalies. If anyone has rolled out MPLS on top of an OSPF routed network of reasonable size I'd love to pick your brain on a few things... let me know, you can hit me back on list or off. Appreciate it. Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik the dude
It's not a bug as SQLite is working as per design and only allows a 2GB DB size. It's more of a poor design choice from Mikrotik's point as they added a load of extra detailed monitoring to beta3 and then limited how much of it you could store. Hopefully the new version will have a different backend DB. On 22/11/2012 17:07, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm using ROS. It is a known bug. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 22, 2012 12:01 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: beta3 backups fine for us running on a Win2003 server VM. Only issue we have is when the back-end database gets to 2GB as that's the limit on the SQLite DB Mikrotik chose to use. On 22/11/2012 15:33, Josh Luthman wrote: The beta3 crashes when you do a backup. As long as you're quick you can save it just in time. Otherwise! Works great. Supposed to be a new version around this time... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 22, 2012 9:29 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com mailto:zma...@gmail.com wrote: Over 1000 clients on it and works great. On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All some years ago we installed the dude. It was a very beta version and it had the side effect to clear the settings into the router. I was wondering if the never version of the dude is stable and if you are using it. Thank you in advance for any feedback you will provide me Regards Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Web:http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik the dude
beta3 backups fine for us running on a Win2003 server VM. Only issue we have is when the back-end database gets to 2GB as that's the limit on the SQLite DB Mikrotik chose to use. On 22/11/2012 15:33, Josh Luthman wrote: The beta3 crashes when you do a backup. As long as you're quick you can save it just in time. Otherwise! Works great. Supposed to be a new version around this time... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Nov 22, 2012 9:29 AM, Zach Mann zma...@gmail.com mailto:zma...@gmail.com wrote: Over 1000 clients on it and works great. On Thursday, November 22, 2012, Paolo Di Francesco wrote: Dear All some years ago we installed the dude. It was a very beta version and it had the side effect to clear the settings into the router. I was wondering if the never version of the dude is stable and if you are using it. Thank you in advance for any feedback you will provide me Regards Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 tel:%2B39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 tel:%28%2B39%29%20091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios
Depends on your topology. If you are planning to use username/passwords with PPP then bandwidth limits can be done on the PPP concentrator. If they are just going to be routed then you will need to mark all traffic then use queue trees to limit the traffic. Trees are applied to outgoing traffic on an interface so customer download queue would be on the ethernet port of the CPE and upload would be on the wlan. P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ UK Tel: 0845 004 0404 Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com On 05/09/2012 14:06, Eduardo wrote: Hi, Does someone know how to control the upload and download traffic in the MT? I need to shape the traffic to our customers accordingly to the kind of account they are paying for. Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Upload and download Shaping in MikroTik radios
Problem with simple is that it isn't as flexible as queue tree for apply QoS for example. Really depends on what you want to achieve as to the best method. On 05/09/2012 14:22, Scott Reed wrote: If you are using MT as the CPE, you can just do simple queue on the CPE, both up and down get set on the wire interface. On 9/5/2012 9:13 AM, Paul Hendry wrote: Depends on your topology. If you are planning to use username/passwords with PPP then bandwidth limits can be done on the PPP concentrator. If they are just going to be routed then you will need to mark all traffic then use queue trees to limit the traffic. Trees are applied to outgoing traffic on an interface so customer download queue would be on the ethernet port of the CPE and upload would be on the wlan. P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ UK Tel: 0845 004 0404 Web:http://www.skyline-networks.com On 05/09/2012 14:06, Eduardo wrote: Hi, Does someone know how to control the upload and download traffic in the MT? I need to shape the traffic to our customers accordingly to the kind of account they are paying for. Thanks, Eduardo Webjogger Internet Services www.webjogger.net http://www.webjogger.net -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web:http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5249 - Release Date: 09/04/12 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by *MailScanner* http://www.mailscanner.info/, and is believed to be clean. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Filters Anyone?
Hi guys, Can anyone recommend some good quality BPF’s for 5GHz? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude
Database issue seems to be since V4 beta as V3 had no database. There was a thread and where some emails from Mikrotik but not much else (i.e. no fix * ) _ From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 16 November 2010 14:23 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude Concur on this as well. Have run it on W2K3 server and on WinXP and have never had it lock up on those. It’s my understanding though, and I may be wrong on this, that the 2GB database limit has been introduced with version 5, but again, I may be wrong on this. There was a thread on this a week or two ago. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude Same here. I figure everyone else must be using a different Dude than I am. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 11/15/2010 11:03 PM, RickG wrote: Never, and I mean never, has Dude locked on my Win 2003 server. On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Dude makes it much easier for support staff to properly support the network and provides all sorts of stats to prove issue to customers. We do however have issues with Dude locking up on both WinXP and RouterOS when the back-end database gets to 2GB. _ From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 15 November 2010 18:40 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude Had trouble with it locking up on RouterOS, but that was a couple of versions ago. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude I hated it on both - RouterOS works for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: One quick thing, and I don't have experience with Nagios, but I know trying to get Dude to run on Linux for me was a nightmare. We scrapped that pretty quickly and put it back on an XP Pro system. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free products to the other. I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to hear pros cons of either. What did you switch from/to, and why? Thanks ! Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude
Dude makes it much easier for support staff to properly support the network and provides all sorts of stats to prove issue to customers. We do however have issues with Dude locking up on both WinXP and RouterOS when the back-end database gets to 2GB. _ From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 15 November 2010 18:40 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude Had trouble with it locking up on RouterOS, but that was a couple of versions ago. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude I hated it on both - RouterOS works for me. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: One quick thing, and I don't have experience with Nagios, but I know trying to get Dude to run on Linux for me was a nightmare. We scrapped that pretty quickly and put it back on an XP Pro system. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 11:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nagios vs. The Dude I'd like to hear from people who have switched from one of these free products to the other. I'm considering a switch from Nagios to The Dude myself, but I'd like to hear pros cons of either. What did you switch from/to, and why? Thanks ! Mark WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Too early to tell. Dealing with one bug at a time ;) _ From: Jason Hensley [mailto:ja...@jaggartech.com] Sent: 20 October 2010 15:41 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation How is v4 working for you other than the potential 2GB issue? I’ve been hesitant to move to it since it’s still beta. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 3:02 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith
[WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
The reason we used it on WinXP was so it could link easily with a mobile to forward SMS alerts. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 14:28 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation What features? It's the exact same application. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I had issues with Dude on RouterOS, but for the life of me I can’t remember what they were. I don’t think it was performance – had more to do with features available or something like that. I know I moved off of RouterOS back to an XP machine. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Use RouterOS? On Oct 19, 2010 8:46 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi all, We have been using the latest beta version of the Dude to monitor bandwidth on some devices and have hit a slight snag. It seems that when the SQLite back-end database hits 2GB it will no longer run. File system is NTFS so it shouldn’t be an issue from that point of view. Anyone know what the issue is likely to be and any possible work arounds? Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 19:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. _ From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 19 October 2010 17:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work on one of the incoming mail servers or DNS servers, for instance, since there are several of those and one being down for a few minutes during the day won't even be noticed. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation
Already raised on the forum but as with many issues on there, no input from MT and hence the question here. Thought that if anyone had seen this before that they would be on WISPA somewhere ;) I'll bring up a VM tomorrow with RouterOS just to rule it out of the equation. Many thanks, Paul. -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Date: 19/10/2010 9:10 pm First thing I would do is put it on RouterOS and see if it's some sort of Windows issue. If the problem still exists on RouterOS, you have a lot more ground to stand on when bringing it up to Mikrotik. I would use the forum. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: The majority of the data is traffic statistics. In V4 you can set the dude to store much more historical data than in V3 so instead of having a monthly graph that shows averaged data you can have a daily or hourly graph that goes back months and therefore gives a much more accurate historical view of network usage. Unfortunately, downgrading back to V3 will loose much of this functionality so isn’t really an option either. Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:45 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation Yes I did. I was unaware that in the migration to v4 it utilized SQLite instead of file storage. Perhaps you can load up another box and downgrade to 3.6 and see if you run into this issue. Are you holding a lot of NPKs for upgrades? I found this was an issue when I tried to back up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Josh, Did you actually read the original post? The latest dude beta versions run a backend database not files. The backend database is SQLite and it is when the database reaches a file size of 2GB that Dude stops working. The question remains, which element is causing this bottleneck and is there a work around? Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 19:18 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I gave you a work around, change to RouterOS. I'm not sure where SQlite is involved, but you don't have any options with Dude in terms of storage. It simply stores it in files. I don't see how you're hitting 2GB for the Dude, where are you seeing this number? Can you load a demo copy of RouterOS and import your backup and see if the issue is seen there as well? Some linux distro? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: Hi guys, I don’t want to suggest this thread has been hijacked but can we get back to the original question? Does anyone know if the 2GB limit is OS, SQLite or Dude related and if there is any work around? Many thanks, Paul. -- *From:* Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] *Sent:* 19 October 2010 17:15 *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Dude 2GB Limitation I read something complaining updates were released every Tuesday for 6 weeks. Updates are definitely good, but on servers you have to manually intervene. I don't want to use my time on that. Biggest patch Tuesday ever was last week or week before, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Second Tuesday of the month, except for out-of-cycle patches, no? Greg On Oct 19, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Every Tuesday for Windows. How often for RouterOS? I still have 2.9.x boxes out there. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 12:00 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 10:23, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: This is what I was referring to. I don't want to spend my nights updating Windows. Spending your nights updating FreeBSD or Linux isn't any better. No matter what you're running, it probably will need occasional updates. I almost always try to schedule those updates for after-midnight, to minimize the number of users affected by whatever-it-is being down. The only exception to this is if something is fairly redundant. I'm willing to do work
Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings
The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the tower is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the concrete is already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way to go? _ From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] Sent: 18 September 2010 23:38 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and how deep and wide it goes. As well if they are belled out. I’m all for saving a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for the new tower. Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep! Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM To: wireless Subject: [WISPA] Tower Footings Hi all, We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a very good idea at all. Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tower Footings
Hi all, We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a very good idea at all. Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, Woodside, Thornwood, Epping, Essex CM16 6LJ Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor CPEs?
Ruckus -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman [mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com] Sent: 08 July 2010 15:24 To: memb...@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Suggestions on high-powered indoor CPEs? Ubiquiti products Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 10:20 AM, Martha Huizenga mar...@dcaccess.net wrote: Hi all, We are looking for suggestions on high-powered indoor CPE's. We have been using Eniginus products, but want to explore other options. Any suggestions? thanks Martha Huizenga DC Access, LLC 202-546-5898 Friendly, Local, Affordable, Internet! Connecting the Capitol Hill Community Join us on Facebook or follow us on Twitter ___ WISPA Membership Mailing List --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DragonWave Horizon
Hey guys, Is anyone on-list a DragonWave reseller? Please hit me off-list. Many thanks, Paul Hendry Technical Director Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd Unit 50, Weald Hall Commercial Centre, North Weald, Essex CM17 9LD Tel: 0845 004 0404 Mob: 0783 492 1803 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Web: http://www.skyline-networks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that emails are free from viruses, no liability can be accepted for any damage arising from using this email. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Stupid MT tricks
Been there, done that. Did you check the NIC's against MT's hardware compatability list before ordering? -original message- Subject: [WISPA] Stupid MT tricks From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Date: 28/05/2010 5:09 pm OK, yeah, I'm frustrated I'm sitting here beside a nice shiny new Dell Power Edge T310 server. Nothing fancy. Just a good processor, lots of memory, sata, gigE, etc. Just what a person would normally expect in a new server. 4.9 will load but doesn't see ANY of the ethernet ports. 5.x beta won't install from an ISO image. It locks up something in the machine, even the numlock quits working. How long has PCIE, sata etc. been in common use nowadays??? How can a high tech company with tools that do as many amazing things as MT NOT work with years old but newer technology? It's a crying shame that Imagestream hasn't come up with a good gui and an interface as easy to use as MT's. sigh Anyone need a brand new $1,600 server with a 500gig sata drive and 8 gig DOM in it? Oh yeah, here's the funniest part of this. I ordered a SATA DOM for this box and they shipped it with an IDE power cord! eye roll I feel like Marvin the Martian. Delays, Delays. http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/delays.wav http://www.gargaro.com/MaRvInWaVs/drawing.wav Have a great weekend all! marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software
Hey Matt, I'm just about to start looking at Freeside for automating VoIP rating and billing. Have you had any joy with that? Only problem with Freeside I've seen so far is the lack of documentation which I'm guessing is on purpose to get you to pay for support. Many thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com] Sent: 11 May 2010 21:07 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software We use Freeside with integrated RT Ticket System. The next upgrade of Freeside (we are planning on implementing it next month) is also supposed to include a calendar that is tied to RT. This has worked very well for us, although Freeside has a few wonks that have to be dealt with on occasion. All of this software is open source, so you don't pay for the licensing, but you will probably have to pay someone for support unless you have access to some Linux/SQL/perl gurus.If you do have access to some coding talent, it is easy to add more functionality and features to Freeside. We have added business reporting dashboards, bandwidth control exports, integration with Xymon for customer monitoring and integration with Asterisk to do robo-calls to customers who are late paying their bills or have gone off line and may need technical support.That kind of stuff isn't happening with Powercode. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com On 5/11/2010 1:59 PM, D. Ryan Spott wrote: Yeah, I was gonna say. I looked at, and even entered my subs into powercode at one point last summer... happily thinking this system is gonna rock! and then I found out that I only get 1/2 of the features that were advertised. :( I ended up not going with them. ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Mark Nash - Listsmarkl...@uwol.netwrote: I personally think it's more like $1.35/sub or $1.65/sub for everything. Our normal bill is about $1200/mo I think for 850 subs. - Original Message - From: D. Ryan Spottrsp...@irongoat.net To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software $1 For everything or just half the features? ryan On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Something like $1/active account. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com wrote: How much does powercode cost? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I use Powercode. - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:35 AM Subject: [WISPA] Call Tracking / Customer management software I'm looking for software to tract customer calls, trouble tickets, appointments, and customer information. Can anyone suggest a good software that can do this. Id like to have web access. I've looked at a few but have never heard of most of them so I'm looking for suggestions of what others have used and like. Thanks for any input. Sara WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere?
Have you tested pseudobridge to achieve a similar affect without WDS? -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: 28 April 2010 01:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? Yes, WDS adds significant overhead. But.. its not a real problem because there is a hardware solution to fix it. Thats why I've been an advocate for faster processor CPE SBCs for like ever. And its why we dont use low cost $50 slow processor CPEs. When using 533Mhz and 680mMhz processors it really shouldn't matter anymore, there is plenty of CPU horsepower. When we were doing MT throughoput testing last week on 433AH, we were getting much slower throughput with WDS than Station mode and routing, BUT the bottle neck was not CPU usage. We never exceeded 20% CPU usage, even with WDS. WDS on MT is slower, but for different reasons than CPU that I have not yet learned. With StarOS and 533 boards, we had almost 40% higher CPU usage with WDS, BUT WDS passed traffic just as fast as any of its routing or station modes, with plenty of CPU to spare. One of the tests we are going to run this week, is repeating the WDS tests using RB600 or RB800s which use netwqork processor for IO, to verify whether there was a different type of hardware bottle neck on the RB433AH other than CPU. But I'm predicting its a software issue contributing the the slowness. If you are selling a sub a 10mb service, ther is plenty of CPU respources even with low cost CPEs. And if need to passfull capacity, (using 20-30mpbs plus) There should be plenty of revenue comming in to justify paying an extra $50 one time for faster CPUs. My arguement is that all commercial grade stuff bridges well... Canopy, Trango, Alvarion, what ever. These devices do NOT have fast processors compared to the MT type SBCs available on the street today. The MTs should be capable of bridging (WDS) just the same, from a hardware perspective, and I'd say the same for UBQT. I want to make you I'm clear... we run bridged radio links. But we do not run a bridged network. We use routers at customer's Demarc before they connect to us, and we run a router at the cell site behind every AP. But we want Radio Links to look like a long patch cable for management reasons, and flexibility reasons. Also note that using WDS Slave has different issues of consideration. In that case the client (slave) operates like an AP. All sort of RF efficienties could arise. But the goal was to use StationWDS, which was meant as a solution to operate like a station, except to add the second MAC Address to the header. Its something that should be efficent to do, without much RF trade off, in theory. But because MT is someone secrative on exactly what they are doing to achieve Station WDS, its impossible for me to conclude accurately, and I can only guess, and measure the results.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? Hey Tom, Do you have any issues/limitations running 100% WDS instead of a standard routed network? Would have thought WDS + NStreme would cause CPU related issues and extra overhead might limit the amount of bandwidth available per AP? Many thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: 27 April 2010 05:34 To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ever wonder how bad RB333/444 stacked cards interfere? Yes. We let and encourage all our customers to pick their own routers (so they are liable for their decission, not us), which is why we like to bridge at customer CPE end. The reason we need 5-9 eth ports is for when we serve shopping centers or industrial park warehouse type clients. We run one CPE to the building, but there is not anywhere inside the building for us to put indoor equipment. There is also rarely reliable AC power on the roof, without eating the cost of electrician and painful permitting. So we put a 5-9 eth port device on the roof, fed by POE. Then we run a CAT5 for each customer accross the roof, and enter each customer's suite/bay through/underneith their AIRConditioning Unit entry, usually located on the roof. Landlords hate seeing cable dropped over edge of building, so they like it when we do it that way. We then power the roof equipment (POE) from one of the customer's suites. If they cancel, we just move the POE to another suite, and change their port to teh POE port at the outdoor equipment. This model has worked wonderfully for us. We can go install a new building for about $300 with one client, and easilly accommodate the rest of the tenants as we follow back
Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks
Hey Mike, As you have already done the path calcs for 11GHz, what frequency comes out best for the 30 mile shot in that environment? Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: michael mulcay [mailto:m...@wirelessstrategies.net] Sent: 23 April 2010 06:38 To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Scott, For a 30 mile path in Florida with a 40dB fade margin the outage is predicted to be in excess of 20 hours. About 12 miles is the max I would use. Mike 831-659-5618 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 9:07 PM To: Travis Johnson; wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks I guess my question would be whether the 6Ghz difference between 5gig and 11gig is as much different from 11gig to 18gig... Seams to me just guessing that 11gig and 18gig would act very differently for rain fade but then again I'm without any experience on either so I'm just probing for answers... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 11:58 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Couple more questions for the 11Ghz folks Hi, I assume you have had path analysis done already? Like by Trango or Dragonwave or whomever equipment you are considering for this project? What do their numbers show for availability? Honestly, a 30 mile link using 11ghz in Florida seems a little scary to me. I have some 18ghz links using a 4ft and 2ft dish going 32 miles and we experience rain-fade during our heavy rain storms... and considering we are technically in a desert climate, it makes me wonder about your links. (BTW, that's with my link running at the lowest modulation already, and they still drop out during the heavy storms). Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Spending over 10K for a link (or anything for that matter) causes me to do a bit more homework than usual when I'm dealing with something I am not familiar with So more questions... Thanks ahead for your time I appreciate any info provided. Looking for generic 11Ghz answers - not related specifically to any manufacturer. Two links in question, one 20 miles and one 30 miles. 18db output 40.4 db dish (4ft) 900ft tower to 300ft tower both instances 900ft tower in middle with one link east one west. Calculations show just under 700 watts EIRP How much is the rain going to affect me... I have no experience with 11Ghz and would really like a firm grasp on what happens to my link(s) when the rain starts. I understand the Trango Apex which I'm looking at can dynamically adjust speeds to account for some fade - exactly how much I'm not sure. Any real world info would really help me at this point. I guess I'm looking for good news :) but I need to hear the bad as well if it is reality. Next question is for temp inversions. I have never had equipment higher than about 350ft so the 900ft is a bit new for me. I'm assuming that the angle different from going from 300ft to 300ft vs. 900ft to 300ft would be a small portion of a degree difference so I'm not expecting anything different here. Confirm this really won't make a difference for me as I suspect... I'm not going over much water, just St. Johns river mostly marsh but it does cause differences in temp above the water. Does 11Ghz behave the same as 5Ghz for inversions? Worse, better? 5Ghz around here sways a lot actually if you look at RSSI graphs. Anything else I might want to know, understand, be warned about etc? Remember back to your first 10K + link :) That's me now... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750
Can you ping the public address on the 750G from the lan? Can you ping any external public addresses from the 750G? If answer to both is yes, check masq rule on outbound interface and that connection tracking is enabled. -Original Message- From: Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com] Sent: 02 March 2010 23:11 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Pulling my hair out with an RB750 I have an RB750 which I'm trying to install. It's not my first. The modem is not acting as a DHCP server so I have to config the WAN port (Eth1 Gateway) manually. When I've configured the modem (using NAT) I can't access or ping the internet. I can ping the modem. So pings get to the modem but not ip address of servers I know on the internet. Anyone have any idea what this could be? I even downloaded a config from a working RB750 I have at another location, edited the config so it was no longer using DHCP on Eth1, manually configured Eth1, and nothing. Again I can ping the modem but nothing beyond it. Thanks in advance. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site?
Do these charges have any builtin monitoring via SNMP? -Original Message- From: Christopher Erickson [mailto:christopher.k.erick...@gmail.com] Sent: 15 January 2010 19:22 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Latitude and average cloud cover will be factors. I would use MorningStar MPPT solar charge controllers. Get every last watt of solar charging you can manage. Each controller can handle one to three 75 to 200 watt panels. If you end up needing more than three panels, add controllers and panels until sufficient charging is obtained. Avoid as many power conversions as possible. Power conversions never have 100% efficiency and many of your precious watts end up wasted as heat. 6V golf cart batteries are the best bang for the battery buck and can be deep cycled much better than 12V automotive-style batteries because they have much thicker plates. Dusty and/or snowy areas can be a problem. If so, schedule regular PMI visits to inspect and clean the panels. Use security screws on the solar panel mounting brackets. Solar panels are starting to become a popular theft item. My advice is free and worth every penny! -Christopher Erickson Network Design Engineer Waikoloa Village, HI 96738 N19°57' W155°47' -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 8:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Solar suggestion for ultra low use site? Thought I'd tap in to the collective intelligence of the WISP group for this question... Looking at setting up a solar powered VHF ham repeater in the middle of a metro area for infill coverage... Site is land locked by ghetto on one side and rail tracks on the other - commercial power is not an option. We have available a dozen or so surplus Alpha 85 amp hour gel cell batteries which test out at roughly 90% capacity (PM swaps)... The first thought was to simply charge up a battery for each event we work in the downtown core, drop by the site and swap out whatever battery is in place.. Not quite the most efficient plan. Our next thought was to place a decent sized array, maybe 300-400 amp hour, then supplement with an off the shelf solar panel or two to maintain a charge... Our equipment consists of an ancient GE MastrII repeater turned down to 25 watts and an NHRC controller. Standby draw is 125 mA, transmit ramps up to about 3.5 amps... Duty cycle is key here - we work perhaps a dozen events a year within the coverage of this repeater for about 4 hours each on about a 10% duty cycle (TX 6 out of every 60 minutes). The rest of the time the repeater sits idle and will not transmit unnecessarily (no IDs or anything unless it's actively in use)... What is out there on the market for a low cost solar site? Thanks! -AJ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP?
Had a similar thing on a tower in Cyprus a few years back. Swapped cable twice, used shielded cable, tried all sorts. In the end we put the original cable back (none shielded, nothing special outdoor cat5e) but put ferrite beads on the cable and no further issues ;) Have put ferrites in every AP ever since and surprisingly never seen this issue again. P. -Original Message- From: Michael Baird [mailto:m...@tc3net.com] Sent: 11 December 2009 19:15 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Pings for an AP? Yes, but he's accessing it via a backhaul which should take the wireless bits out of this equation, since he can ping the other AP's served by the same backhauls fine. Regards Michael Baird On 12/11/2009 2:03 PM, Forbes Mercy wrote: Yesterday we installed a RocketM5 radio on a 120 degree antenna, since it's on a tower that shares with a powerful FM radio station we used insulated Cat5. Today the pings are terrible on that AP while it's brother AP's (2.4) and the backhauls are pinging 1-4ms, it averages 40-50ms and the closest I can get to logged in is the password screen. My assumption is the Cat 5, anybody else have any ideas? Hi Forbes...what freq is the 5g radio on? What freq is the FM station on? There might be a harmonic of the FM station up there on 5g. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.709 / Virus Database: 270.14.103/2558 - Release Date: 12/11/09 05:06:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running 4.1 (best of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the problems. I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the v4.0beta releases anywhere? -Original Message- From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] Sent: 01 December 2009 15:35 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all. We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty good, but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the release version of 4.0-4.2 IMHO. We are back on XR-5s with either 20 or 40MHz channels for backhaul and get a rock-solid 30-60Mbits as a result. I don't see moving to anything else until MT resolves their N driver issues, plus releases the new version of Nstreme that is compatible with N cards, or UBNT completes their M series firmware tuning. Not sure which will happen first, but with the AH series RouterBoards and XR-5s we are sitting pretty in the meantime. PS We think the AH boards are worth the extra money if you have to run Torch or the Bandwidth Tester for troubleshooting. Both tools run much better on the bigger processors, and the cost differential to get this extra performance is minimal for a major backhaul. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link At first I was like huh? but thinking of the now and present, the Rockets are new and the longevity has yet to be tested. I have both UBNT and MT backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect. My UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up and forgotten about. Sucks but that's how it is. Not sure why that is, maybe Ubiquiti seems to always be pushing the envelope so logically they'll hit snags. I'm a geek, I like the unknown so I put up with the snags but as Travis said in a roundabout way, if you want stability and something you don't want to worry about, go with the MT. I'd go one further with his list though and use the R52N cards. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the answer. However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3 years now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: (2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea (2) RocketDish @ $145/ea $470 On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the regular 411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list: 2 x RB411 2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes 2 x PacWireless enclosures 2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice) 2 x pigtails 2 x LMR jumpers 2 x 18v PoE Total cost would be less than $900 and would do 30Mbps in a 20mhz channel (or 15Mbps in a 10mhz channel). Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: If spectrum is available you can use a 411ah pair and get 30 megs in 20mhz. Like 500 bucks in gear... On 11/30/09, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, great questions! Throughput: As fast as possible :) Seriously, a couple of megs minimum. 10Mbps would be plenty. Dishes: As big as necessary. Naturally, on the tower I'll be limited by wind loading. The other end is a solid water tank but I imagine the water company wont like a 10' dish :) Budget: $10k including tower. Licensed or unlicensed. I'm open to either but my budget probably wont allow licensed. POE or?: No preference. Noise floor: On 2.4GHz, -97. On 5GHz, -94. Currently deploying: Ubiquiti CPE on Mikrotik AP's. Was Tranzeo's on WRAP/StarOS. Comfort level: I've got experience with almost everything mainstream. Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM, 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net wrote: Depends... What type of throughput do you need? What size dishes can you use? What is the budget? Licensed or Unlicensed? PoE or some other configuration? What does the noise floor look like? What type of equipment do you already primarily use (i.e. what will you be the most comfortable deploying). My recommendation would be based on the answer to all of those questions. Daniel White 3-dB Networkshttp://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
Nice. Anyone out there know which of the beta releases seemed most stable? -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: 04 December 2009 13:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link http://files.quicklinkwireless.com/mikrotik Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:26 AM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running 4.1 (best of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the problems. I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the v4.0beta releases anywhere? -Original Message- From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] Sent: 01 December 2009 15:35 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all. We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty good, but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the release version of 4.0-4.2 IMHO. We are back on XR-5s with either 20 or 40MHz channels for backhaul and get a rock-solid 30-60Mbits as a result. I don't see moving to anything else until MT resolves their N driver issues, plus releases the new version of Nstreme that is compatible with N cards, or UBNT completes their M series firmware tuning. Not sure which will happen first, but with the AH series RouterBoards and XR-5s we are sitting pretty in the meantime. PS We think the AH boards are worth the extra money if you have to run Torch or the Bandwidth Tester for troubleshooting. Both tools run much better on the bigger processors, and the cost differential to get this extra performance is minimal for a major backhaul. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link At first I was like huh? but thinking of the now and present, the Rockets are new and the longevity has yet to be tested. I have both UBNT and MT backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect. My UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up and forgotten about. Sucks but that's how it is. Not sure why that is, maybe Ubiquiti seems to always be pushing the envelope so logically they'll hit snags. I'm a geek, I like the unknown so I put up with the snags but as Travis said in a roundabout way, if you want stability and something you don't want to worry about, go with the MT. I'd go one further with his list though and use the R52N cards. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the answer. However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3 years now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: (2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea (2) RocketDish @ $145/ea $470 On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the regular 411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list: 2 x RB411 2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes 2 x PacWireless enclosures 2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice) 2 x pigtails 2 x LMR jumpers 2 x 18v PoE Total cost would be less than $900 and would do 30Mbps in a 20mhz channel (or 15Mbps in a 10mhz channel). Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: If spectrum is available you can use a 411ah pair and get 30 megs in 20mhz. Like 500 bucks in gear... On 11/30/09, RickG mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, great questions! Throughput: As fast as possible :) Seriously, a couple of megs minimum. 10Mbps would be plenty. Dishes: As big as necessary. Naturally, on the tower I'll be limited by wind loading. The other end is a solid water tank but I imagine the water company wont like a 10' dish :) Budget: $10k including tower. Licensed or unlicensed. I'm open to either but my budget probably wont allow licensed. POE or?: No preference. Noise floor: On 2.4GHz, -97. On 5GHz, -94. Currently deploying: Ubiquiti CPE on Mikrotik AP's. Was Tranzeo's on WRAP/StarOS. Comfort level: I've got experience with almost everything mainstream. Thanks! -RickG On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:42 PM, 3-dB Networks mailto:wi...@3-db.net wi...@3-db.net
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
Nice. Thanks George. Was this just in a PTP environment or PTM also? -Original Message- From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] Sent: 04 December 2009 13:39 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link We really like beta3. Had some links running 90 days, and it was fast!! Here is the cheat sheet specifically for beta3. Be careful if you are running something else, the cheat sheet varied a lot. - No WDS - Short preamble - No Periodic calibration - Nstreme on, but CSMA not disabled - Nstreme best fit only - Play with power levels until best results. Seems pretty picky on this. - Be sure the RouterBoard firmware (not just RouterOS) is the correct revision ( /system routerboard print and /system routerboard upgrade) George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 8:05 AM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Nice. Anyone out there know which of the beta releases seemed most stable? -Original Message- From: Chuck Hogg [mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com] Sent: 04 December 2009 13:01 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link http://files.quicklinkwireless.com/mikrotik Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:26 AM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link We saw the same thing with Mikrotik + N. 4 AP's out there now running 4.1 (best of a bad bunch) in the hope the next release sorts some of the problems. I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone have the v4.0beta releases anywhere? -Original Message- From: George Morris [mailto:ghmor...@candlelight.ca] Sent: 01 December 2009 15:35 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I think the Rockets are going to be great, but right now today the best software is a beta version of 5.1. That pretty much says it all. We have pulled all our MikroTik N links back out. 4.0beta3 was pretty good, but N wireless performance and stability took a real nosedive with the release version of 4.0-4.2 IMHO. We are back on XR-5s with either 20 or 40MHz channels for backhaul and get a rock-solid 30-60Mbits as a result. I don't see moving to anything else until MT resolves their N driver issues, plus releases the new version of Nstreme that is compatible with N cards, or UBNT completes their M series firmware tuning. Not sure which will happen first, but with the AH series RouterBoards and XR-5s we are sitting pretty in the meantime. PS We think the AH boards are worth the extra money if you have to run Torch or the Bandwidth Tester for troubleshooting. Both tools run much better on the bigger processors, and the cost differential to get this extra performance is minimal for a major backhaul. George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link At first I was like huh? but thinking of the now and present, the Rockets are new and the longevity has yet to be tested. I have both UBNT and MT backhauls, love UBNT to no end but it's from the ease of use aspect. My UBNT needs to be taken care of from time to time, the MT is just put up and forgotten about. Sucks but that's how it is. Not sure why that is, maybe Ubiquiti seems to always be pushing the envelope so logically they'll hit snags. I'm a geek, I like the unknown so I put up with the snags but as Travis said in a roundabout way, if you want stability and something you don't want to worry about, go with the MT. I'd go one further with his list though and use the R52N cards. Bob- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I guess if you don't need a reliable, stable product, this is the answer. However, I have MT backhaul links that have been up solid for over 3 years now. No ethernet issues, no heat issues, no firmware issues. Travis Microserv Jayson Baker wrote: (2) Rocket5M @ $90/ea (2) RocketDish @ $145/ea $470 On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: I would agree. Except the 411ah is overkill in my testing, the regular 411 shows as much throughput as the 411ah. So, here's the list: 2 x RB411 2 x PacWireless 2ft dishes with radomes 2 x PacWireless enclosures 2 x wireless cards (XR5 would be my choice) 2 x pigtails 2 x LMR jumpers 2 x 18v PoE Total cost would be less than $900 and would do 30Mbps in a 20mhz channel (or 15Mbps in a 10mhz channel). Travis Microserv Josh Luthman
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Always seems to be the problem when UBNT come out with new kit. Demand far out weighs supply :( Anyone else notice the 19db 120' figures are based on 6db rather than 3db? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Date: 25/11/2009 9:22 am Are you using many? I'm about to put up some of the 120 degree 19dbi sectors. How high are you up with them and what sort of range are you seeing? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:07 PM To: Paul Hendry; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic I dont want to speak for the person who started the thread sector question... But I'm thrilled with the UBNT's Dual POl sector option. I think the only problem is availabilty. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic
Any reason the UBNT ones are not an option or is it just availability? -original message- Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Date: 25/11/2009 3:49 am yes they do for $1200. each :-( Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Radiowaves does I believe Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:26:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot solid dish w/dual polarity. Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium? -- From: Phil Curnutt pcurn...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 5:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Grid Parabolic Anybody have a suggestion for a 5.8 Ghz Grid Parabolic, Dual Polarity, 24 to 30 dB? Phil WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP!
Tested this a while back and although it saves on overhead and CPU, couldn't see how you could implement QoS on wireless links between P routers. How are you implementing QoS across the MPLS network? -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: 10 October 2009 17:54 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP! Basically our test environment consist of 10 deployed routers on our network Ip connectivity is achieved by OSPF We have setup a Router on our NOC as Route Reflector for BGP All other 9 Routers have BGP sessions to the NOC VLPS are created dynamically via iBGP If we need a VPLS tunnel between R4 and R9 WE just create the VPLS instance on R4 and R9 If we need to add R7 to that same VPLS tunnel, we just create a VLPS instance on router 7 with the same VPLS ID and it would automatically create all of the tunneling to R4 and R9 Also using Split Horizon Bridging which prevents loops, so we van have 2 VPLS instances connected to a same L2 area without causing any loops and thus providing redundancy Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MK VPLS via BGP! Details? :) Randy Gino Villarini wrote: Got it running! Sweet! I would encourage anyone doing a fair amount of l2 tunneling either via vlans or EOIP to take a look at BGP based VPLS Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
AS prepend tends to be only for inbound traffic, to influence outbound you can use a few different BGP attributes. There is a pecking order (at least in Cisco) as per below: Weight Local preference Multi-exit discriminator Origin AS_path Next hop Community Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Jon Auer [mailto:j...@tapodi.net] Sent: 05 October 2009 17:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt The most common method is to prepend your AS number to the path that you announce to the ISP that you want to de-prioritize. You would use set-bgp-prepend on the inbound route filter for the connection that you want to de-prioritize. I'd prepend 1, wait a couple of days and then prepend 2 if necessary. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Awesome but that wasn't much help lol. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Plenty of ways :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary. Thanks John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
Actually there are other ways to influence inbound traffic other than specific routes or AS Prepending (i.e. MED). The problem with more specific routes is that some ISP's will drop routes that have a small subnet (i.e too specific) as a way to reduce there BGP tables. Here is the logic behind the decision to enter a BGP route into the actual routing table: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/bgp.html#wp1020647 You are probably better of talking with your BGP peers as to what they will look for when influencing you inbound traffic. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 05 October 2009 17:29 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt You mention send traffic, but do you mean receive traffic? Or both? To influence your outbound traffic (send) you can simply add a filter rule that sets a higher cost to the path you do not wish to prefer. To influence your inbound traffic (receive) you can only try and influence how traffic comes to you via pre-pending your ASN or by announcing more specific routes out the path you prefer to use. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Ya, its kind of hard to know what you want to do. You can setup costs so that one provider is cheaper than the other, prepends for inbound etc. I would have to take a look really to go, here is the best way. .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Awesome but that wasn't much help lol. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Plenty of ways :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary. Thanks John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
Jon, By prepending to/from the better upstream peer aren't you influencing traffic via the poorer upstream due to the shorter AS path? P. -Original Message- From: Jon Auer [mailto:j...@tapodi.net] Sent: 05 October 2009 18:33 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Prepending on *inbound* BGP will influence local route selection/*outbound* traffic. You can use MED in influence inbound traffic from the same AS http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094934.shtml You need localpref to distribute outbound preference throughout a iBGP network when you have multiple egress points across multiple border routers. http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/bgp.html#wp1020583 Both are unnecessary when you have one border router talking to two different upstream AS and no downstream AS. In my situation we have 2 fixed bandwidth upstreams and a link to a peering exchange. Upstream A has very good peering so we prepend 3 times from them and 1 time to them. Upstream B has poor peering so we do not prepend anything from them and 1 time to them. This happens to cause a fairly even *outbound* traffic flow. We do not prepend anything to or from peers. We prepend 1 out on all our paid transit links as a tie-breaker for traffic from downstreams of our peers. No need for MED or localpref. If you need to adjust inbound or outbound flows you change the number of prepends. You mileage may vary. Prepending alone resolved my traffic engineering needs without causing any bad side effects. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com wrote: AS prepend tends to be only for inbound traffic, to influence outbound you can use a few different BGP attributes. There is a pecking order (at least in Cisco) as per below: Weight Local preference Multi-exit discriminator Origin AS_path Next hop Community Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Jon Auer [mailto:j...@tapodi.net] Sent: 05 October 2009 17:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt The most common method is to prepend your AS number to the path that you announce to the ISP that you want to de-prioritize. You would use set-bgp-prepend on the inbound route filter for the connection that you want to de-prioritize. I'd prepend 1, wait a couple of days and then prepend 2 if necessary. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Sales sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Awesome but that wasn't much help lol. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Plenty of ways :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary. Thanks John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS
Where looking at these a while back for some of our smaller sites. Do they support full SNMP? -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 28 September 2009 19:12 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Street price is less than $100 I believe. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be adequate? Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS
That's a shame. Not really practical to run a USB cable if all kit on site is 40ft in the air ;) -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 28 September 2009 19:48 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Unfortunately they do not. APC all but denies the existence of the HS-500 offering little to no support for the product. I assume because of its low price and remote power switch ability can be viewed by some within APC as a threat to more expensive APC products. We've had several of the HS-500 deployed for a few years now and have had good luck with them. It would be great if someone came up with a way to flash them with a more powerful/configurable software setup like some have been able to do with Linksys routers. It would be a terrific product if it had SNMP and an Auto-Ping feature! We do monitor these via our MikroTik routers using the included USB cable. The only way to actually power cycle its outlets is via the web interface. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:34 PM To: wireless Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Where looking at these a while back for some of our smaller sites. Do they support full SNMP? -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 28 September 2009 19:12 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=3 Street price is less than $100 I believe. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Remote Switch/UPS Anyone knows of a remote switch unit with a UPS, about 500 watt would be adequate? Plenty of stand alone units but merged would be nice. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations
Has anyone tried out the new Ubiquiti dual-pol sectors yet? They look pretty good and could be good for future proofing assuming they perform. -original message- Subject: [WISPA] 5.8Ghz Sector Antenna Recommendations From: pat p...@inlandnet.com Date: 25/09/2009 6:50 pm Looking to add a few 5.8GHz sectors, and I would like know what everyone else is using. My first on that will go up ASAP is a 120' sector antenna, HPOL, N-connector. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?
Sounds like a duplex mismatch to me. Are both ends set to auto-negotiate and have they both negotiated 100mb/full? Have you checked for errors or discards on the interfaces at either end? -Original Message- From: sa...@michianawireless.com [mailto:sa...@michianawireless.com] Sent: 24 September 2009 17:51 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!? Ok, Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main router to everything. average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the moment. We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new pc to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 port ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement STILL getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the wierd part I do not get. We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the ping specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will get us around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from the bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. How is this possible? PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue
Are you running the XR5's at full power? Have you tried dialing down the tx power? We had a similar issue with some dual-pol antennas and had to turn the tx power down to less than 14db. -Original Message- From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] Sent: 24 September 2009 12:46 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol FDX Link Issue I have a 18 mile 5GHz Link to 50MB fiber connection. Original config was a HDDA5W-29-DP, 26 Inch 29 dBi dual pol Pacwireless dish at each end, StarOS War2 boards with 2 XR5 using the StarOS FDX. The link has never performed well. 10meg x 5 was the best I could get running ½ duplex. The Horizontal had never worked right or so I thought. Recently we added another DCE and 2nd WAR board at each end to reduce self interference and realigned the Antennas. We setup a MTIK at each end and did Pseudo FDX through them. No better. If we run FDX the Horizontal all but crashes so we set it back to 1/2 . Yesterday we tried something new. We set our routing so that our inbound come up the Vertical of FDX link and outbound goes out a second link. I then got 20 Meg across the Vertical link. I switched to the horizontal link for inbound, 20 meg. I switched direction outbound through the FDX link 20MB. This was making no sense. We bonded the Vert and Hor together still going just one direction and the speed fell to 6MB. Put it back to FDX reset route tables and with a heavy speed test and lots of customer traffic all we could get was 3MB down 1MB up. We have tried all types of Channels Hor is on 5825 and Vert is on 5240 so there is plenty of separation. Signal is -57 with a -96 floor. Currently I am running Inbound through the Vertical side and Outbound through the other path I have which all returns back to the same NOC getting me 20Mb x 15Mb, but I don't like that setup for failover and tracert issues. Not sure all my VPN clients will like it either. So any one have any Ideas? There has to be an issue with the Antennas I think but the installer has these same antennas being used else ware on spectra link radios and getting 100MB FDX. I cant just change antennas, One end is on a CrowneCastle tower and I have to do a full new engineer fee to change anything. What can I try next? Steve RC-WiFi WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik
Are you running NStreme as 120 clients seems a lot for an NStreme enabled AP without wireless-test package? Do you have latency to clients on all radio cards or just 1? Have you disabled connection tracking and default forward on the radio cards? -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: 24 August 2009 07:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Gettin sick of Microtik I had a whole lot planned for this weekend, instead I spent 15 hours of it working on an AP that won't behave. It's the third long fix period I've had to do for Microtik this weekend, while I do have 20 AP's and backhauls under that brand, none work easily, and the frustrations are plentiful. SO Last week we upgraded a prizim chip to an XR2 on a three radio card 133c. We started to have problems with the new card randomly dropping then after disable/enable would come back up. As the week went on it happened more frequently. First solution, change out the new card, no difference. The next was a new power supply. Figured that was it since the 133 was running on a 12v, we upgraded to an 18iv, no change. So this weekend upgraded to a 433ah board and the three cards (2 XR2's and 1 SR1 as you know you can't put three XR2's in a 433 cause they made the slots too close together), no change, now the board wouldn't drop the connections it just increased latency dramatically after a few minutes, then resume low pings (average at this tower is 4ms) for about 50 cycles then get worse until about 4000 then time outs. Today after manually entering the 120 people on the new board (four hours since you can't cut/paste to a Microtik) the ethernet port dropped. I should point out I'm on my third trip up my steepest mountain where my jeep struggles to get up it. Power cycle and it's up (yes I'm well aware of remote reboot systems but its never been a problem so it was low priority). Tonight my after hours is slammed with my Internet is so slow calls from that tower and sure enough 4000ms pings. I've spent all weekend on it and I don't know what else to do, any ideas out there? I know these radio's pretty well so I've tried the simple stuff (adjust power, change frequencies, blah blah) HELP! Not a pretty weekend, Forbes forbes.me...@wabroadband.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP
Low cost, dual pol and high gain. 19db 120' sector @ 5GHz ;) Interesting design too. -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net] Sent: 19 August 2009 00:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Yeah, but its misleading garbage specs. Mimo adds very little in noisy environments, where double size channels and both polarities can't be both used based on spectrum availabilty, not to mention specifying gross speed instead of actual speeds. I'm not saying the Ubiquiti isn't a really nice needed product, I'm just saying, in real world use, I'm not certain its faster than Motorola PtMP, including advantage series. (per Mhz wide channel efficiency). Don't forget the 3b SNR required by canopy and the 25db snr required by Ubiquiti for high modulations, which is rarely acheived in PtMP. Remember, a flaky packetlossy link is going to bring TCP down to its knees in throuhgput reduction. The most exciting thing about teh new product is its inferred that there might be a low cost dual pol sector antenna available now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet M5 HP Anyone had a chance to fully test any of Ubiquiti's claims like 150+mbps real throughput and 300+ subscribers per AP? Much more impressive numbers than Canopy. Matt wrote: Ubiquity has introduced their new product lines, at www.ubnt.com. Looking to take Canopy on. Anything like GPS sync for frequency reuse? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Wouldn't use XR2 for 5GHz shots as they are 2GHz only ;) Also, I would guess you'll be turning down the power to keep it legal? -Original Message- From: Steve Barnes [mailto:st...@pcswin.com] Sent: 29 July 2009 18:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Something Like a MT411a XR2 and a Arc 23 DB Panel Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example. Steve Barnes wrote: I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com mailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per
Re: [WISPA] 5.8 Distance
Depends on many things. What's at the CPE end for example. Steve Barnes wrote: I have a 2.4 sector that has terrible interference from a competitor pointing right at it and I am considering changing it to 5.8. With a 17dBi 120 degree sector what should the effective distance I can hope to achieve? I can get 6 mile Off of another sector on this same tower with 2.4. Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM To: li...@stlbroadband.com Cc: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. That point was actually clarified on the FAQ list posted. Thank You, Brian Webster St. Louis Broadband wrote: Humm, not what I am reading into it. Lol, maybe I have read it too many times... ;-) Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 From: Brian Webster [mailto:bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: li...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. It's really 40% of the homes passed by the applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete project area. The only real chance you have to challenge is on the applications that come in as unserved, but even then the RUS and NTIA have said they will reserve the right to then convert that application to an underserved one. Thank You, Brian Webster RickG wrote: Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS? On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.commailto:li...@stlbroadband.com wrote: They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due diligence phase. Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40% take rate. Victoria Proffer www.StLouisBroadband.comhttp://www.StLouisBroadband.com 314-974-5600 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 11:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. And on that note, where can you find a list of applications? -RickG On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Mike Hammettwispawirel...@ics-il.netmailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting their application. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.commailto:k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW. Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to be had. The government is trying to get as much control out of the ISP's that take this money as they possibly can. The reporting requirements for ISP's that take this money is a huge burden. This makes FCC Form 477 look like a walk in the park compared to what they want to know. There are about 30-50 things that they want you to report on and some of it is just crazy. I can't list it all but they basically want to know what brand of toilet paper and how much of it you use per customer.. And this will apply to your entire existing infrastructure that was in place before you took the money. They can come in and look at all your confidential records anytime they want. They can even change the rules years down the road and possibly tell you what to charge your customer per month to what they think is fair. They can also tell you how to do your QoS and what you can and can not block. This sounds like the same deal with the bank bailouts from last year that once they took the money and found out what role the government wanted to do with them that they wanted to give it all back but wasn't allowed. The majority of the attendees once we got into the workshops and started talking among each other was that they don't want anything to do with this money at all either once they found out all the hidden strings attached to it. They are encouraging few larger
Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance
Hey Randy, Any joy with testing ROS on one of these? Would be interesting to see how it stacks up against the RB1000's or the original PoweRouter. P. Randy Cosby wrote: I've got one of the supermicro units. They are hard to get - lots of demand. As soon as I get time I'll be putting RouterOS on it to test drive. Randy Josh Luthman wrote: I could have sworn it did...but looking at it again it definitely does not. I specifically remember looking for that too... Ignore my initial post! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 5:48 PM, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote: Oh, Josh, just realized that MSI Wind computer has no PCI or PCIe slots, nor ATA. Anything you add to it would have to go into USB, SATA, CF slot or miniPCI express slot. So it would be harder to add a second ethernet to this version. If you want to route, it would either be USB ethernet or VLAN. Is routing via VLAN common? I have heard of one-armed routers, but didn't think they were too common. On Jul 28, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: $120 PC + $20 NIC for a desktop one... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032 Josh Luthman WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik
Lots of memory. Do you redistribute the partial routes into your igp? -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini [mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com] Sent: 18 April 2009 15:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Question about BGP + Mikrotik List Im running 3.15 on our Core Router to our upstream, I have 3 circuits running BGP to the same provider. Im only receving rartial routes. All is well We just sold a circuit to anothe ISP, thy want full bGP support. I assume we must change to full routes, any tips on the changes needed? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Freeside Forum ??
Hi all, Looking at playing with Freeside for various billing reasons but, as some of you have pointed out, it's not the best product for when it comes to support. Have anyone found any good forums or documents that have helped you in the past? Many thanks, Paul. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms
What board are you running Mikrotik on and do you see any latency on the 5.8 side? -Original Message- From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 March 2007 20:28 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms yep, no matter which channel. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms Have you looked at it with a spectrum analyzer? I see this type of behavior in a high noise environment. Does it persist through all channels? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Rick Smith wrote: yeah, 100' away from the pop. across the street (dead side street, antenna way up above car level) This is the first week we had this customer connected - and they're the first on the repeater... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 1:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Strange Symptoms History? Did it ever work? Distance? 100' from the POP? The signals are too hot. jack Rick Smith wrote: I have a system - Mikrotik 5.8 in on SR5 / 2.4 out on SR2 with currently one customer on it. He's seeing occasional REALLY high latency through his device (High Gain Antennas 8186hp @ 100' away from the POP) - like 900 - 5000 ms pings and some time-outs. I'm on what Mikrotik is telling me is a relatively quiet channel (3 to 5 devices at an average of -90's noise floor) and yet his network connection just flaps like crazy because of the latency. Can't run nstreme because of the devices I'd need to have connected (it's a hotspot on a rooftop) But, I'm perplexed as to why this is doing this. A drive up to the hotspot with my laptop produces the same results, as does a test from one of his other computers with a wifi card in it. Things to look for / do ? R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] 18ghz links
Hi Travis, Just looking to venture into the world of 18GHz. We are looking at our first link to be about 17.5 miles and I'm wondering if you could give us more details on your 19 mile link (heights, dish size/db, throughput speeds, fade margin, etc.) Many thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 March 2007 05:00 To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 18ghz links Hi, We have had several 18ghz links up and running for almost 4 years. Using many of the path calc programs, they show as much as 28 minutes per year of outage (due to multi-path and rain fade). Yet, during the entire last 4 years, we have never seen the signal change by more than 3-4db. We have over 30db of fade margin on these links... so, my question is, does 18ghz just die instantly (like 38ghz does) in a heavy rain storm? We have never had either of our 18ghz links go down (one is 7 miles and the other is 19 miles). I am wanting to try and do a 28 mile link, and I can do it with 20db of fade margin... so I am wondering if that will be enough, or if the path calcs will be correct and we will have as much as 20 hours of downtime per year? (99.7653% uptime). Any thoughts? Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Scott, Surely it should be possible to replace 2 12v 7ah batteries run in parallel (not series) with 1 12v 100ah battery as the voltage isn't changing? With regards runtime I can just increase the external battery count. Mac, don't worry I have no intention of putting my tongue on these things to see if they charged ;) Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Scott Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 March 2007 12:22 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS The charger is designed for the size and number of batteries in the original configuration. Changing the quantity and/or type of battery risks damaging either the charger or the batteries. Also, runtime is determined by the batteries, so changing them changes the runtime. paul hendry wrote: Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19 TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Is anyone using external batteries on the larger APC UPS's? I've got an old Smart-UPS 3000 RM that has 8 x 12v batteries in it. The thing is they are wired in a bit of a strange config. It looks to me like they are split into 4 sets of 2 batteries running in series then 2 of those sets are cabled to the same connector inside the UPS and so there are 2 connectors with 4 batteries hanging of each. Is there any reason I can't run 2 x 2 (in series) 12v 100ah batteries instead of the original 8? I don't seem to be able to and don't really want to get another 4 batteries just to discover I can do it with 4. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: 16 November 2006 16:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I replaced the two internal batteries last night with two external, $100 batteries, and put a load on the UPS that matched the highest load I have out in the field (80w). It took 2 Tranzeo APs, an Xpeed SDSL modem, and a 19 TV on the QVC to load it up properly. Now instead of 1 hour I get 13 hours. Bigger, better batteries should net me more time than this. My goal is bang for buck at this stage in my business...more run time for a sensible price. One cool thing about this setup is that I can rig it up to be able to simply take new batteries out to a site when they are getting low, instead of the generator. I can keep some spare batteries charged up and ready to go. It's a whole lot cheaper and easier than purchasing multiple QUALITY 1000w generators and putting large custom tanks on them. That is if your UPS is not on the top of a water tower or something. ;) Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 15/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...
Nope. Does it add a tab key as this seems to be the only thing missing from the free Putty. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2007 01:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... have you tried mobile ssh? On 1/24/07, paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems to be the lack of a tab key. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... Matt, Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities. I'm looking for the same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS boxes with good success. Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70. On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia E70 phone. It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to cell phone nirvana. It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined. The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes synchronized with my PC. My previous phone was extremely flaky when used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one in every 10 times. I had to install, reinstall, run a registry cleaner and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a reliable connection between my PC and phone. Once accomplished, I was able to get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion. With all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able to this process worked out better. The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone. GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi connectivity feature of the phone. The E70 will browse for an available access point and the process for connecting is pretty straightforward. I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70. I would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser on all of the PocketPCs that I have used. It is that good. It was reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird format surprises. All told - the Internet access components work very well. I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks like other have, so I will still have that to work on. The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP working on a cell phone. My cell coverage at my house and many other places in my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to having a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to a minimum. I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to set the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to get it to connect to my office voip phone system. After all the hassles and reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the voip part of the E70. It is actually clearer than regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi signal gets low. Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning less minutes on my cell phone plan. I should also be able to use the voip when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the regular cell network or incurred roaming charges. All in all, I am very impressed with the E70. I am going to officially retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary PIM/phone/voip phone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they are also available at voip-supply.com for $385. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question
You will need to add a srcnat rule for every dstnat rule you want to work. Cheers, P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: Don Annas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 January 2007 04:52 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik 1 to 1 NAT question I have an office router/Mikrotik that has a wan IP that is set up as a global nat to an inside private range. Additionally, we have a /27 routed to the Mikrotik and are doing 1 to 1 nat translations using dstnat for certain servers. Our problem is that while traffic can get to these devices using the alternate IP on the /27, when the devices send outbound traffic, it appears to be coming from the wan IP that is utilized for the global NAT pool instead of the IP that we are trying to translate it too. Any ideas? Thank you. Don Annas Triad Telecom, Inc. HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/649 - Release Date: 1/23/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...
I'm running putty on my E70. Is great to be on a roof with mobile in one hand whilst you pan your StarOS or Mikrotik cpe ;) Only down side seems to be the lack of a tab key. -Original Message- From: Chad Halsted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 January 2007 19:32 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... Matt, Have you had a chance to play with SSH utilities. I'm looking for the same phone and have heard others using it to SSH into their Star-OS boxes with good success. Mobile SSH has a free trial and should work with the E70. On 1/22/07, Matt Larsen - Lists [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia E70 phone. It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to cell phone nirvana. It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined. The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes synchronized with my PC. My previous phone was extremely flaky when used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and only connected about one in every 10 times. I had to install, reinstall, run a registry cleaner and then reinstall the software but I was finally able to get a reliable connection between my PC and phone. Once accomplished, I was able to get all of my items synced up in a repeatable, reliable fashion. With all their available resources, I am amazed that Nokia was not able to this process worked out better. The second item was seeing how Internet access worked on the phone. GPRS seems to work fine, but I was more interested in the wifi connectivity feature of the phone. The E70 will browse for an available access point and the process for connecting is pretty straightforward. I have to pass on huge props for the Internet browser on the E70. I would prefer using the smaller screen E70 browser than the browser on all of the PocketPCs that I have used. It is that good. It was reliable, viewable, easy to navigate and there have been no weird format surprises. All told - the Internet access components work very well. I have not gotten the instant messaging to work yet, but it looks like other have, so I will still have that to work on. The last and most interesting piece was the struggle to get VOIP working on a cell phone. My cell coverage at my house and many other places in my service area is very spotty, so I have been looking forward to having a phone that could roam to wifi and keep my roaming minutes down to a minimum. I was able to find a couple of links to guides on how to set the phone up with an asterisk voip server and was finally able to get it to connect to my office voip phone system. After all the hassles and reported problems on user forums, I was very pleasantly surprised by the performance of the voip part of the E70. It is actually clearer than regular cell calls, with just a little bit of breakup when the wifi signal gets low. Best of all, my outgoing calls all go through my office system when I am in range of a wifi access point, meaning less minutes on my cell phone plan. I should also be able to use the voip when I go to remote tower sites that used to not work at all on the regular cell network or incurred roaming charges. All in all, I am very impressed with the E70. I am going to officially retire my iPaqs to other tasks and use this as my primary PIM/phone/voip phone. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com PS - I purchased my E70 from Tiger Direct for about $435, but they are also available at voip-supply.com for $385. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chad Halsted The Computer Works Conway, AR www.tcworks.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness...
I have been using the E70 for a while and it is great. It has all the features of the E61 (sip, wifi, etc) but it also has a camera and flips open to reveal a full qwerty keyboard which I found really quick to get use to. Add an SSH client and I can suddenly manage almost every aspect of my network with only my mobile. Convergence is a wonderful thing ;) -Original Message- From: Jonathan Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 January 2007 19:47 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... I'm trying the Nokia E61 (same as Cingular's E62 but without being crippled by Cingular turning off the Wi-Fi and 3G support). It's very good, too. You can get them on ebay unlocked and just put your Cingular SIM into it. It's thinner than the Ipaq but no camera. It seems to go forever on a single charge and doesn't cause pain when I sit down with it in my pocket. It has a SIP phone client and I use it at any Wi-Fi to access my home Asterisk VoIP server...free. I can see why Cingular wanted to cripple this feature since, in Europe; I no longer pay $1.35 a minute but $0 a minute. I can put 4 or 5 full length DVDs in it's accessory memory to watch while waiting in airports. I can also keep all our PDF and WORD and POWERPOINT collateral in it and have it ready for display or copying to somebody's PC. It doesn't have internal GPS so I use a $60 lipstick-sized Bluetooth GPS http://www.holux.com/product/search.htm?filename=gpsreceiver_bluetooth_index .htmtarget=gpsreceiver0level=grandson accessory that I place on my dash of the car to get solid satellite lock while I have he display near my eyes. This tiny GPS thingymajig goes 8 hours on a charge but has a car charger and USB (from laptop) charger. If you use it with your laptop you can link to Microsoft Streets and Trips. You can get a pretty good mapping application for most phones with internal or external GPS for free: http://www.nav4all.com/site2/www.nav4all.com/eng/index.php It has mapping and talking directions, too. It covers a lot of the world...amazing. ...and, this phone doesn't crash all the time like my Palm used to. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... Nice OT thread guys; I am learning and hope others chime in. Patrick Leary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] SmartPhone Happiness... Matt, It's funny you posted this message today I just picked up a new test phone I am trying to replace my Treo 650. I grabbed an HP iPaq 6945 from Cingular for $189 (with two year contract) and have been playing with it on an off for the last couple of days. The biggest advantage to this phone is the built-in GPS, along with WiFi and Bluetooth. There are some neat functions that are already built-in to the main OS... such as the camera showing GPS coordinates on the picture when you take it (if you enable that option). Also, many commercial map programs (TomTom 6, etc.) work on this phone with the GPS. With a simple car mount and car adapter, you have a full-fledged GPS device built into your phone. There are also programs that will connect to WiFi and update GPS coordinates to a website... so you could have real-time locations for your installers with no monthly fee. ;) It's running Windows Mobile 5, which is better than any other Windows phone OS I have used, but still not as easy to navigate as the Palm OS. The biggest feature on the Treo 650 for me is the SMS messaging. It's easy to access (single button) and it keeps a chat dialog going with each person you have talked to. I send and receive over 100 messages per day, sometimes 200-300. It's quick, easy, and can be done with one hand. If there was just a simple program that would function the same, the iPaq could be a great phone for me. I should also mention I purchased a Nokia 770 Internet Tablet. This is a pretty cool device as well built in WiFi and Bluetooth, running Linux with a nice GUI. Nice wide, bright screen too. It just doesn't have a phone or GPS, just WiFi. Still pretty cool for that type of a device. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: It was finally time to replace my Nokia 6800 with 600 hours and a broken screen from being dropped too many times, so I decided to get a Nokia E70 phone. It has been a little bit of a challenge, but it is pretty close to cell phone nirvana. It has been able to do I have wanted to accomplish with a PDA or cell phone combined. The first main issue was getting the phone contacts/calendar/notes synchronized with my PC. My previous phone was extremely flaky when used with the Nokia PC Suite software, and
RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure
I know there are 2 variants (see original post). Are the Teletronic enclosures for specific antennas or have they devised a way to integrate them with any antenna? -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 January 2007 23:49 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure Take note that the MTI antenna models come in two format, with screw holes for enclosure, and without screw holes for enclosure. Side note, I wanted to mention that Teletroncs has EXCELLENT pricing and availabilty of their Model of antenna enclosure, very similar to MTI's. Bascially they look identical, just that Teletronics includes it with a different mount that only supports a 2 pole. The Teletronics version is very affordable. They also carry most of the MTI antennas, although the non-common ones they need to special order. Winncomm, has always been a good distributor, but Teletronics is also a great source for MTI products and their lower cost version that are near identical. Our rep is, Win. Now you were specifically asking for the Dual POl, and I'm not sure that they stock the Dual Pol, but I know they can order it for you, if they don't stock it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: paul hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 11:29 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure Hi Rick, Do you know if Winncom sell the dual-pols that are compatible with the MTI enclosure? I can see they sell the enclosure and the standalone dual-pols but can't see any reference to it on there site and unfortunately there aren't open on Saturdays to ask :( Many thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 January 2007 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure Paul, I have bought 26 db dual pol antennas from Winncom. www.winncom.com We are about to start testing them but have not deployed any yet. I have deployed 23 and 26 db single pol and I really like them. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure
Hi Rick, Do you know if Winncom sell the dual-pols that are compatible with the MTI enclosure? I can see they sell the enclosure and the standalone dual-pols but can't see any reference to it on there site and unfortunately there aren't open on Saturdays to ask :( Many thanks, Paul. -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 January 2007 14:50 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] MTI Dual-Pol with Integrated Enclosure Paul, I have bought 26 db dual pol antennas from Winncom. www.winncom.com We are about to start testing them but have not deployed any yet. I have deployed 23 and 26 db single pol and I really like them. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Looking for the most efficient use of the battery power and the kit to achieve it. Old APC's are easy enough to track down on ebay but normally only have standard AC outputs so I'm guessing you would connect both an APC and Ethernet direct to the batteries? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: 24 November 2006 19:04 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Yes, Paul. What are you looking for? Mario Paul Hendry wrote: Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the tower? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.15/550 - Release Date: 24/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Just out of interest, does anyone run batteries (via fuses) directly into cat5 instead of converting back to AC just to run standard 48v PoE up the tower? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: 17 November 2006 21:19 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/536 - Release Date: 16/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.14/548 - Release Date: 23/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/531 - Release Date: 12/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios????
How do they handle small packets? Can you still get full throughput? Would be interesting to see a comparison between these and the Spectra's. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 12:44 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios One of the things that is really unique is that they have a 2 year warranty for a carrier class backhaul product. You don't have to buy the second year, just fill out the registration card. And there is also a written out-of-box failure policy. None of this stuff about depending who you know and how important you are. ;-) We have installed a handful of the one piece outdoor 5Ghz links and they were a piece of cake. Some real thought went into these. Really nice stuff... -B- Dawn DiPietro wrote: Paul, Here is a more detailed price sheet including accessories and extended warranties. http://www.connectronics.com/exalt/ Regards, Dawn DiPietro Paul Hendry wrote: Interesting. Any idea what the retail value on the 5GHz kit is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: 14 November 2006 02:00 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Anyone using Exalt radios Just looking for experiences Personally I think they rock but just looking to see if anyone else has any pros/cons www.exaltcom.com 100 Mb FD 2.4 Ghz. radio. H. I bet Marlon would love to have one of these for a neighbor! :-) -B- -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 13/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Did it not get sent to the list? Anyone forward it offlist? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: 13 November 2006 14:53 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I got it here. It looks like a great program, but Patrick, why only the 5.8 gear included in this? Doesn't help us out much where we have TONS of trees, right? Why no 2.4 or 900 gear included in the program too? - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! It's Monday morning ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: 10 November 2006 22:29 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! On Monday morning a mail will hit the WISPA list (sent via WISPA's ad mechanism, not as a post) that will have a letter from me. Within that will be a link to a jump page where you can get access to the detailed pdf. This version of pdf will have more price details than the one distributed at the WISPA meeting, so those 30 or so of you that received a hard copy the other night may want to pull down the other one. Everything will be ready and waiting. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 3:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject
RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!!
Thanks guys. Patrick, is there a reason this is only available to the US? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Hendry Sent: 13 November 2006 18:44 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Did it not get sent to the list? Anyone forward it offlist? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: 13 November 2006 14:53 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! I got it here. It looks like a great program, but Patrick, why only the 5.8 gear included in this? Doesn't help us out much where we have TONS of trees, right? Why no 2.4 or 900 gear included in the program too? - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:28 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! It's Monday morning ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: 10 November 2006 22:29 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! On Monday morning a mail will hit the WISPA list (sent via WISPA's ad mechanism, not as a post) that will have a letter from me. Within that will be a link to a jump page where you can get access to the detailed pdf. This version of pdf will have more price details than the one distributed at the WISPA meeting, so those 30 or so of you that received a hard copy the other night may want to pull down the other one. Everything will be ready and waiting. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 1:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Sorry, I have not responded sooner guy, but I kept missing opportunities to connect to the Internet. The reason I did not post details on the List, is that the pricing and program is a deal designed and offered ONLY to WISPs, and I was not sure what part of it was suppsoed to be confidential or Open to disclose. The program is for the existing VL product line, the one you always wanted to buy, but thought you could never afford. There are volume commits involved, but they are VERY minimal. The Plan is not just about pricing, it also includes additonal support for WISPs via online content and such. When you learn about it, you will see why I was so excited. This program is something that never could have happened without someone like Patrick Leary behind it, who fully understands the needs of WISPs, and went to bat for us. What I liked about the program is that it came from the principle of how can they help us, help ourselves as a group, and ultimately reach higher volume of product deployment (For mutual benefit). Understand that this is Best of Breed product, at the top of the pyramid, so sod course set realistic expectations that their is no justification for the program to compete against $99 CB3 boxes. But it now allows a WISP to make decisions based on whether the features and design of the product is the best product for the job, rather than having to make selection based on price. It allows a WISP to step up their operations a couple notches, and puts FCC certified / carrier class gear within their reach. Disclaimer: The fact that I am impressed by the Alvarion program, and without a doubt will be participating in this program personally, does not take away the value that other manufacturer's products may also deliver. But I now can make my decissions based on the merit of the individual product lines, for the appropriate locations. Alvarion is not the appropriate product for all my needs, but I know where I do need it, and I've been waiting for this day for that opportunity. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! Ok, then put is on the paid member list, or tell me offlist. :) The suspense is killing me. :) Brian Rick Smith wrote: yeah, tom, don't post a book, but give us details. I'm sure Patrick will be chiming in on this one. I love Alvarion gear. Just can't afford it. Mikrotik's just as good, if not better at some things, but sometimes I'd just love a DS11 backhaul everywhere...or bigger. :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion is Back!!! No details on the website... Gino
RE: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13...
So for those of us that couldn't make it, any more news? Is it a cheaper version of the VL? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: 07 November 2006 22:14 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: The AlvarionCOMNET is coming 11/13... And WISPA members at the meeting at ISPCON will get a detailed sneak preview. I look forward to seeing many of you there. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.29/520 - Release Date: 06/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.0/524 - Release Date: 08/11/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] lightning
Hi Brad, Im curious as to why you chose this particular model of ferrite and if you run poe through these cables? Did these resolve a problem you where having with interference on the cat5? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jenco Wireless Sent: 08 October 2006 00:33 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning http://pdfcatalog.digikey.com/T063/1150.pdf#search=%22digikey%20240-2318-nd%22 I use the 240-2318-ND (towards the bottom of the page). Just wrap the Ethernet cable through it as many times as possible. You have to purchase 100 to get that low, low price I mentioned :-). We are located in Ohio. Brad Hagstrom (Jenco Wireless) On 10/7/06, KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you share some info on the $1.50 inductor you reference below? Do you then ground the inductor to the mounting arm which is then grounded to an earth ground? Please share if you don't mind, inquiring minds would LOVE to know. ;-) Also, where are the bulk of your subscribers located (city/state)? I would venture to say that WISP's out west have fewer lightning related failures than WISP's in the East or South. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Jenco Wireless [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning I lost 15% of my CPE's one year.It was a dry Summer (I theorize the earth was not conducting well), then we had a couple of bad storms.Usinga $1.50 inductor on the Ethernet cable near the radios really seems to have helped a lot. Brad Hagstrom On 10/7/06, Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I've been fairly lucky.The only lightning losses I've had were on my tower.I've got one CPE that may have been taken out by lightning, but it came through the house and blew a LOT of other stuff as well.To me, to add $30 per install doesn't make sense when I've only lost 1 (percentage-wise, less than 1% for me) in a little over a year. - Original Message - From: KyWiFi LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] lightning Lightning is by far the largest threat to our WISP. It would be interesting to know the typical CPE failure rate (due to lightning) experienced by WISP's. I know that we'll replace 10% (+/- 5%) this year due to lightning. We use the $30 Citel brand Cat5 surge protectors on both ends of the outdoor shielded Cat5 and we also ground the mounting arm to an approved earth ground via 10 guage copper wire. I don't believe we've taken any direct strikes, mainly blown Ethernet ports on the CPE or AP. IMO, owning a WISP would be a LOT less stressful if wireless gear was not so prone to damage caused by lightning. BTW, if you would like to share your own CPE-lightning-failure-rates with the list, please do so. Same goes for lightning protection tips, tricks and wisdom. Anyone using coaxial surge protection on 50% or more of your CPE installations? If so, would you say that it is worth the extra $15 - $20 per install? How do your failure rates with coaxial surge protection compare with installations where there is none? Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas === - Original Message - From: Brent Hegerfeld [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 5:06 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] lightning Lightning has not been very kind to us the past few months.Knocked a backhaul out on our main tower, another tower hit 3 times (twice in 1 week), another tower hit this past week, going on 10+ CPE's.I'm told the probability of lightning over the next 4 months is low.Let's hope. Brent Hegerfeld East Allen High Speed Internet, LLC. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 1:31 PM To: WISPA
[WISPA] DIY Wireless Enclosures
Hi all, This is aimed at anyone who builds there own x86 kit but anyone with experience in this arena is more than welcome to chime in. Basically I'm trying to gauge if using a sealed enclosure is really best for mounting x86 based kit outdoors or if a well ventilated enclosure would be better. Until now we have always used IP67 enclosures but it seems that no matter how well you seal every cable entry point a tiny amount of water always manages to get in. Once the water is in it never seems to drain. Looking at some of the outdoor cabs that the mobile operators use in the UK it would apear that they use well ventilated outdoor housing not sealed enclosures. Obviously a vetilated enclosure has the added bonus that there is more airflow which can only be a good thing when using x86 hardware. Any thoughts or experiences? Many thanks, Paul. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routing woes.....
In a routed network I would expect all interfaces that directly connect on the same lan segment to have addresses from the same network range. As yours do not then it suggests you are bridging and, as Lonnie said, chances are this is the route cause of your problems. Perhaps now is the time to switch to a properly routed network? You don’t need to run a routing protocol like RIP or OSPF if you are no ready for it yet and tbh there are some dodgy implementations out there. Getting rid of any bridged interfaces and putting in static routes and correct ip assignment should do the job. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: 17 September 2006 19:55 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routing woes. I also like the idea of moving to RIP or OSPF but have yet taken the time to wrap my head around it to understand how to implement. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routing woes. What is the Ethernet assignment on the edge router? What is the connection to the BR AP units? Is it Ethernet or wireless? I am thinking it is Ethernet since the BR AP units seem to have their radios in AP mode, but the BH designation on the one unit has me not so sure of it. My first comment is actually a question. Why use bridging at all? You have subnets assigned to all devices so routing would be a snap to implement and you are more than half way there. Bridging uses the IP strictly for configuration. It will figure out the connections based on the ARP table, so in my mind you never really have routes in a bridge design. The two conflict. For routing design just make sure to use subnets that are common for each connected device. That means that if you connect the edge unit to the other units by Ethernet, they all share a unique subnet and when you can ping the connected units you have the basis for a routed backbone. Once that is done and all backbone units are pingable on Ethernet I would simply enable RIP and remove the bridge tags and you would be solid for the rest of the LAN. Just keep assigning new, unique subnets to all new devices and let RIP take care of it. All you will need is a default route on each new device that points to the machine and IP it connects with. By moving to routed and RIP you will find your current system is simpler and easier and I'll bet it will have higher performance and it will offer you more control and troubleshooting ability. Lonnie On 9/17/06, Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to add a route to my existing network and I just can't get it to work... The network I can't get to work is to network 172.22.20.0/24, all others work fine. Edge router StarOS 0.0.0.0/0 216.229.xxx.xxxether1 Wan 172.22.255.0/29 172.22.1.3 ether2 Route to BR LAN 172.22.11.0/24 172.22.1.3 ether2 Route to BR AP1 172.22.12.0/24 172.22.1.3 ether2 Route to BR AP2 172.22.13.0/24 172.22.1.3 ether2 Route to BR AP3 172.22.22.0/24 172.22.1.9 ether2 Route to Atheros test 172.22.23.0/24 172.22.1.9 ether2 Route to Prism test 172.22.20.0/24 172.22.1.3 ether2 Route to Lenox BH ( does not work ) BR AP1 - StarOS, 2 wireless cards Wpci1 172.22.11.1AP Wpci2 172.22.1.3 BH Ether1 172.22.255.1 0.0.0.0/0 172.22.1.1 wpci2 172.22.12.0/24 172.22.255.2 ether1 Route to AP2 172.22.13.0/24 172.22.255.3 ether1 Route to AP3 172.22.20.0/24 172.22.255.3 ether1 Route to BH Lenox BR AP2 - Mikrotik, 1 wireless card Wpci1 172.22.12.1 AP Ether1 172.22.355.2 0.0.0.0/0 172.22.255.1 ether1 BR AP3 - StarOS, 2 wireless cards Wpci1 172.22.13.1 Wpci2 172.22.20.1 Ether1 172.22.255.3 0.0.0.0/24 172.22.255.1 ether1 Trace from machine on 172.22.1.0/24 C:\Documents and Settings\Administratortracert 172.22.20.1 Tracing route to 172.22.20.1 over a maximum of 30 hops 11 ms1 ms1 ms 172.22.1.1 2 1 ms 1 ms1 ms 172.22.1.3 3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.22.1.3 4 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms
RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
Brian, Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new cable and did you still see the same issue? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mark McElvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would think you would need at least a 3A supply. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side of things? I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to confirm power first. Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. I'm seeing weirdness. Do I have enough juice Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 13/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 14/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: OpenSER and CCME
We aren't trying to use SCCP handsets with OpenSER. We are trying to get Cisco CallManager Express to act as the middle man between the SCCP handsets and our SIP infrastructure. Basically, the client uses CallManager as there internal PBX with outside lines via the PSTN but they want to use our VoIP services also. Scriv, OpenSER is a SIP proxy whereas Asterisk is more of an end device. We use both in our infrastructure to provide a good mix of resilience and features. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John J. Thomas Sent: 14 September 2006 07:52 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: OpenSER and CCME If youare trying to use OpenSER, you will need to upgrade the handsets for SIP, SCCP won't work. If you have access to Cisco support, you can download the information to convert the handsets to SIP. John -Original Message- From: Paul Hendry [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 05:44 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] OT: OpenSER and CCME Hi all, This is slightly un wireless related but I was wondering if anyone else is using OpenSER for there VoIP platform and if anyone has managed to get Cisco Call Manager Express to work nicely with it? Just spent the last 12 hours straight trying to get all the SCCP handsets that connect to CCME to then call through OpenSER and all have the same CLI but it don't want to work :( -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 13/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 13/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...
I would say that it depends on the application. The CM9 and the R52 use different generation of Atheros chipset. The main difference between the 2 chipsets is the newer chipset requires slightly less power to run and if you are running the card in 10MHz or 5MHz modes it will only listern to that 10MHz or 5MHz whilst the older CM9 chipset will still listen to the whole 20MHz. If you are looking to replace a 200mw 2.4 card then both the CM9 and the R52 may leave some of your clients with a weak signal so the Atheros based 200mw cards would be the way to go. If you arent looking to use 10MHz or 5mhz then the CM9 is still a great choice however there are a couple of other next generation Atheros based cards out there. Cheers, P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd http://www.skyline-networks.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: 13 September 2006 16:38 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation... I am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to Mikrotik but am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating are the CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9s in 5.8 for my backhauls and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism radios (2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern with them is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few people say they have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the R52, seems similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there is no US distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and RMAs. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...
The 4th gen Atheros cards although they are capable of transmitting at 5MHz, 10MHz, 20MHz and 40MHz they can only listen at 20MHz and 40MHz. The 6th gen cards however, can both transmit and listen at 5MHz, 10MHz, 20MHz and 40MHz. An example is that if a CM9 is set to 5GHz-5MHz with a cf of 5805 it will transmit from 5802.5MHz - 5807.5MHz but will listen on 5795MHz - 5815MHz which I would imagine could cause problems if you're also using any of the neighbouring 5MHz channels. This is my understanding and although I have read about this on various forums I have not tested the theory. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: 13 September 2006 17:56 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation... Paul, What do you mean when you say the CM9 listens on the whole 20 MHz when set to 5 MHz mode? Lonnie On 9/13/06, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would say that it depends on the application. The CM9 and the R52 use different generation of Atheros chipset. The main difference between the 2 chipsets is the newer chipset requires slightly less power to run and if you are running the card in 10MHz or 5MHz modes it will only listern to that 10MHz or 5MHz whilst the older CM9 chipset will still listen to the whole 20MHz. If you are looking to replace a 200mw 2.4 card then both the CM9 and the R52 may leave some of your clients with a weak signal so the Atheros based 200mw cards would be the way to go. If you aren't looking to use 10MHz or 5mhz then the CM9 is still a great choice however there are a couple of other next generation Atheros based cards out there. Cheers, P. Skyline Networks Consultancy Ltd http://www.skyline-networks.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: 13 September 2006 16:38 To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation... I am looking to replace my current APs and have decided to move to Mikrotik but am not sure of the best choice for a radio. The ones I am contemplating are the CM-9, R52, or the WLM54G. I currently use CM-9's in 5.8 for my backhauls and so far have been satisfied. My current AP radios are 200mW Prism radios (2.4), so I was considering the WLM54G as a replacement. The concern with them is a lot of resellers are out of stock, plus I have heard a few people say they have had performance issues with them. Lastly I have seen the R52, seems similar to the CM-9. The only issue I have with it so far is there is no US distributor I have found. Might not be a great issue except for shipping and RMA's. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies
When I say re-terminations I mean do you have a single cat5 cable from PoE injector to RB532 or do you use any fly leads. Also, do you terminate the outdoor cat5 to a connector on the AP then a further internal short cat5 to the RB532? Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power injector and the RB532? Where do I find this info? Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 13 September 2006 13:25 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies Paul Hendry wrote: Have you tried just using a different PSU with higher voltage and higher ampage? yes. I actually even set up a second test link on the ground with the bad board I just took down. I tested with an extra 11 foot of cat5 five on my ground test (276, not the 265 in the air). The ethernet link was fine. Bandwidth test showed me sending 24mb (laptop cpu maxed) vs the 3mb I can send at the tower site. I can receive 14mb (RB cpu maxed) vs the 5mb I get at the tower site. I have a fancy cable tester coming from a guy I know. We'll see what it finds. Also, how many re-terminations do you have between the power injector and the RB532? Where do I find this info? Brian P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 12 September 2006 17:51 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side of things? I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to confirm power first. Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. I'm seeing weirdness. Do I have enough juice Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 12/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Bragging on Mikrotik
Hi Butch, It was my understanding that using Mikrotik, EoIP, WDS and RSTP you could achieve a similar thing with only 1-2 ping drops per handoff between AP's at least that's what is being claimed by some on the MK forum. We are just about to test such a setup to facilitate a roaming VoIP solution so 5-7 ping failures is going to be too noticeable. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: 04 September 2006 03:58 To: Equipment List Cc: Arnis Riekstins; Part-15 Mikrotik List; WISP List; Wispa List Subject: [WISPA] Bragging on Mikrotik I want to take this opportunity to share with these lists some things that we have recently done with a Mikrotik RouterOS based network. This may seem to some like blatant advertising, but it is certainly not intended to be that. Many of you have looked for a solution that will let you do some of the things that we now have working (testing is still underway) using pure Mikrotik network. The network is a 13 AP network (2.4GHz) that covers an entire city. There are a few small areas that do not currently have coverage, but these can be filled in easily as they are identified. The network was built by a small city in eastern OK (I won't go into detail here). The intent of the network was to provide for first responders with access to the internet as well as city resources. In addition to this, the city wanted to make the network available for internet access to the general public (I don't know the details, but my understanding is that local ISPs will handle this part). Obviously, we needed to make certain that the police, fire and EMS units had security from the rest of the network. We are handling this in several ways. Mikrotik has the ability to create what are called virtual APs (a virtual AP is a second AP, with the ability to use distinct access-lists as well as distinct security profiles from the physical radio card). That is to say, that the virtual AP acts like a second radio card but is, in reality, using only one physical radio card. At any rate, this virtual AP is being used for the city's network, while the other ISPs will be using their own virtual AP to provide their internet service. The police, fire and ambulance vehicles will be equipped with their own Mikrotik Routerboard with some very interesting capabilities. Due to the size of the network, and the need to allow for separation of services, we decided to route the entire network. Allowing seamless mobility in this environment presents several unique challenges. First, we must allow the CPE device to connect to several APs, insure they do not connect to unknown APs AND make sure that we know the IP information as the device moves throughout the network. There are many ways we could have used to accomplish all of this (the Mikrotik is just that flexible). We ended up with the following solution, which allows the mobile unit to seamlessly move through the network, AND will connect to the strongest AP (it checks every 15 seconds). Mikrotik's scripting host was invaluable in this solution. The script checks the signal level of the currently active radio (there is a 2.4GHz AND a 900MHz radio in each CPE) and (if it is below acceptable levels), it will search for the strongest AP (on either radio), connect to that AP, then proceed to reconfigure the CPE so that it works on the network. Finally, the IPSEC tunnel (which is not implemented, yet) will be established and normal communications for the IP cams, laptop or whatever other equipment is located in the vehicle will resume. Our initial testing showed that the we could drive through town pinging the city hall's server and not drop more than 5-7 pings each time we switched APs. Testing will continue throughout the upcoming week and it is likely that we will have to tweak our configuration some. NOW, before some of you start pounding me for being part of a muni wifi network solution, let me ease your mind. The city owns this network, and they are allowing for access to the internet, but the city will not be selling the access (at least that is my understanding). I don't want to argue this point anyway. It will fall on deaf ears if any of you start it anyway. :-) I am not at liberty to provide much detail about the network at this time, but I wanted to share this much, as this is an exciting option that many of you may have searched for. I just wanted to let you know, that Mikrotik CAN BE CONFIGURED AS A MOBILE NETWORK! ;-) -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming
RE: [WISPA] MT on WAR
Different hardware architectures so I doubt it. As far as I know MK doesn't support Intel IXP-420 which is what the WAR's are. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: 06 September 2006 23:03 To: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com; WISP; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT on WAR Hi, I think someone (Brad?) posted this a while ago, and I don't know if there was ever a response or if I just missed it? Is it possible to put Mikrotik on the WAR 533mhz boards that Star-OS is selling? Has anyone done it? Thanks, Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 05/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/438 - Release Date: 05/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
So with this MTU increase is there any chance of packet aggregation so we can make use of it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: 17 August 2006 07:24 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Tom, The new V3 release has been posted and you can set MTU to very high values if your cards support jumbo frames. Our WAR board, with its very advanced Intel Ethernet can do 16K for the MTU. Most other cards have limits in the 2K to 4K range. We also have released the first x86 PC Architecture version and the updated x86 WRAP version. They have the same features as the WAR version. I'm not sure if we mentioned it but the x86 version has a free mode that is no longer a 24 hour trial. It saves settings and everything works, except of course the advanced features that we use to add value. You can use it for fairly advance routing (quagga has ospf and rip) for free. We'll require a paid license for wireless, policy or source routing, bandwidth control and our firewall scripting. We are pretty sure that more than 11 MBytes/sec in Turbo mode on a power machine will meet with approval. Device bonding will be coming fairly soon and it will allow simple hdx bonding, fdx bonding and failover bonding. We use the Linux 2.6 kernel and we have been able to get this image to well under 8 MB and average ram use on bootup is about 16 MB. It took a long time to get here and we have to thank everybody for being patient. Some of you wrote us off and figured that V3 would never reach the light of day, so I hope you take a look at what this new release can do. Lonnie On 8/15/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, When you get that feature solved / added, please let me know, or make a public announcement. If you let me know, I'll do a bunch of talk for you persoanlly, to promote the feature. Thanks. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lonnie Nunweiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 It will just be easier to support an insane MTU size so that people can go and do whatever they want. I can imagine people doing some vlan in vlan and then running the whole works over a tunnel, and each one adds tags and headers to the actual 1500 byte payload. Lonnie On 8/14/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lonnie, I just wrote to you off list, before seeing your onlist response. V3 has support for a fully transparent client bridge when it talks to an appropriately configured V3 AP system. That is good news! License Fee after 1 year. The policy you explained, is fair and reasonable. We are currently working on a custom MTU size interface for every device to be able to handle whatever you want for MTU size. Great. To be more clear... Its easy for people (like me) to get confused between IP versus Ethernet headers. In our VLAN applications, its the Ethernet packet that needs to be supported above 1500bytes (for addition of VLAN to Ethernet header), we'd rarely ever need to increase IP packet MTU above 1500 MTU. (although I see applications for IPSEC if larger MTU allowed or possibly for passing MPLS). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 16/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: [Ham-80211] Which PDA to buy as a WiFi Finder?
Nokia E70. Is a mobile + VoIP + wifi + runs Symbian which has a couple of stumbler type programs. I have one and it means with a PuTTy for Symbian I can look after my network no matter where I am ;) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: 14 August 2006 16:49 To: TAPR Mailing List for Ham Radio Use of 802.11 Cc: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Re: [Ham-80211] Which PDA to buy as a WiFi Finder? I don't know if it'll work on a pda but this program is very helpful. I use it quite a bit. Won't show non wifi systems, but it sounds like that's all you need it to do. Best one out there. Most wireless ISPs I know use it. http://www.netstumbler.com/ Anyone out there have any suggestions for Don? Remember to reply to his personal address as you'll not be able to reply to the mailing list his post came from. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: American Common Defence Review To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: [Ham-80211] Which PDA to buy as a WiFi Finder? From Don Hamrick/KI5SS, Ok! I am a newbie with PDAs. Never owned one and didn'tknow much about them. NowI am doing a fast study on PDAs to find out which PDA is best to use as a WiFi Finder asits primary use and forother applications such as Amateur Radio as cascading into its secondary use, if feasible. My marketing research revealed the following products that fits the bill for what am looking for. I am a merchant seaman. I travel constantly. I want to use a PDA as a WiFi Finder so that I don't have to pull out my laptop from its wheeled-bag every time just to check for WiFi availability. It is easier to use a PDA for this purpose. SDIO CARDS: Socket Go Wi-Fi! P500 - 802.11g SDIO Wi-Fi Card http://www.socketcom.com/product/WL6010-676.asp Socket Go Wi-Fi! P300 - 802.11g SDIO Wi-Fi Card http://www.socketcom.com/product/WL6217-664.asp Linksys Wireless-G Compact Flash Card, WCF54G http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2childpagename=US%2FLayoutcid=1115416826419pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper WiFi Software PocketWinc (PDA WiFi Finder ConnectivitySoftware) http://downloads.zdnet.com/download.aspx?kw=pocketwincdocid=206391 Winc (Laptop Wifi Finder Connectivity Software) http://downloads.zdnet.com/download.aspx?kw=wincdocid=206392 I downloaded Winc and installed it. Instantly it became my default WiFi Connect Utility over Windows barebones utility in the System Tray. I was impressed with its intuitiveness and ease of use. PDA Looking for a PDA ($300 TO $600 price range) with 802.11g capability so that I do not have to buy an SDIO card listed above since the majority of PDAs have 802.11b. NEXT EDUCATIONAL PHASE: Amateur Radio and 802.11b/g Applications How is Amateur Radio applied to 802.11b or 802.11g services? APRS? PACKET? Other? ___ ham-80211 mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.tapr.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ham-80211 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.9/417 - Release Date: 11/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Hi Gino, Thanks for the results. As expected, small packets seriously damages the available throughput. Do you know if it also hammers the throughput on your other backhaul links where you use the Spectra or Atlas? I know a few people have asked Lonnie to incorporate some form of packet aggregator into StarOS and I even believe one person has offered a possible solution but no sign of a response which is a shame as the WAR platform is a very promising piece of kit. Cheers, P. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini Sent: 12 August 2006 19:17 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Well Tom, We are in the same situation as you, testing backhaul replacements. Our Network backhauls are made of : Spectras , Gemini, Trango Atlas, Motorola BH units and Proxim MP11a. So we started looking for a 802.11a based unit, config channels of 5,10,20 and 40 mhz, support for bridging and basic stuff needed for backhauls no fancy stuff. The are some products available like the Trango Atlas, Solectek among others but we decided to test Mikrotik RB500 units, we saw the same results as you did, not very amazed. But, last week I decided to test out StarOS WAR plataform and let me tell you: 6 mile link with 533 mhz WAR Board with 1 CM9 card each on both sides 23 db flat panel ( -66 on both ends ) One End connected to a Mikrotik 2.8 ghz Router , my laptop at the other end WAR board set on bridge mode, connection tracking disabled. First of all, latency : 1- 64 byte ping from my laptop to the Mikrotik router : 1ms 2- 1500 byte ping from my laptop to the Mikrotik router : 2 3 ms Nice, thoughput : 20 mhz channel: TCP : 35 Mbps UDP: 28 Mbps ( weird, usually is the opposite ) 40 mhz channel: TCP : 45 Mbps UDP: 72 Mbps For Paul: 20 mhz chanel UDP test with 100 byte packets : 5 Mbps 40 mhz chanel UDP test with 100 byte packets : 6 Mbps Pretty darn exiting results! I just need to iron out a vlan issue with Lonnie.. and I would make this units our defacto Back hauls Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 Task: Test Max Speed doable using Mikrotik NStreme 2 (two MPCI cards in one board). test environment... AMD 3Ghz Laptop wired - Mikrotik 532 w/ CM9 - Mikrotik 532 w/CM9 - wired to HP PIII-800Mhz Laptop. Connected in a lab environment, zero noise. Mikrotik OS ver 2.9.28 Test software 1: IPerf TCP running on both Laptops. Test software 2: Mikrotik Bandwidth test running on Mikrotiks. TestMethod 1 (running test to/fromLaptops): used about 80% CPU power on Mikrotik board to pass the traffic. Test Method 2 (running to.from MIkrotik): used about 100% CPU power on Mikrotik. However, interesting enough, the results of the speed tests, whichever method used, were just about identical, give or take 1 mbps. The results of tests were Maximum speed transferable in one direction 20Mhz channel: 16.6 mbps. Maximum speed transferable in both direction simultaneously (addingtogether the values) 20.8 mbps (13.8 mbps and 7 mbps in the other). Maximum speed transferable in one direction 10 mhz channel: 15.8 mbps. Maximum speed transferable in both directions 10 Mhz channel: 19 mbps (10.4 mbps and 9 mbps) Maximum speed transferable in one direction Turbo Mode speed: 18 mbps Maximum speed transferable in both directionsimultaneously Turbo Mode (addingtogether the values): 22mbps. Note: Turbo mode tested in two configurations, (A) the lowest 5.8G channel send and highest 5.8G channel for receive, and(B) 5.8Ghz to send and 5.3Ghz receive. Note: All 5.8Ghz test resultswere at54 mbps speed modulation, and setting it to slower speed/modulation lowered the test speed results. Note: Test performed with RSSI somewhere between -60 and-68, without antennas, but w/ high quality pigtails w/Bulk head N, Pointing N connectors to each other. Note:Re-tried tests with antennas used, to increase RSSI (-50 to -60 db), but itdid not improve results. Note: All tests done when in NStreme2 mode, using twocards on each end. Note: Both boards mounted in Mikrotik Plastic Large Case (sweet cases) and using 18V (.8amp) via POE. One thing that was really odd...Mikrotik has a value for TX rssi and RXrssi. The TXrssi was the exact RX rssi acheivedat the otehr radio in all cases in any slot, in any configuration. However,the CM9 inthe TOP Slot of the532board consistently showed an average of 10 db worse TX RSSI. (sometimes around -75 db). Swapping TX CM9s did not help. TX from the
RE: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2
Hi Lonnie, Would be great to see your test results using smaller packet sizes of 100bytes which seems to be around the average packet size for the majority of the traffic on my network. This test always seems to have a massive impact on the available throughput and is currently the reason why we use StarOS for high speed dedicated private lines but Mikrotik w/nstreme for anything shared. Tom, can you confirm if your test RB532's had connection tracking disabled and cpu set at 330MHz? It has been said a few times that N/Streme2 uses too much CPU for the RB532 however I have seen much better results than your tests show using N/Streme and a single CM9. There is a company in the UK that mass produces outdoor grade Mikrotik solutions with 1GHz x86 CPU's so that the CPU is no longer the bottle neck. We are in the process of tested a few off the shelf x86 boards in outdoor enclosures using 56byte random TCP data in both directions at the same time on a single CM9 in turbo mode and have been able to get 37-38Mbps in both directions (about 75Mbps aggregate) which seems to be better than most other more expensive options. These results don't change if we then use larger packets of 1500bytes. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: 12 August 2006 06:48 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routerboard 532 and NStreme2 If you are interested, here is the real world test results from my house to the office through a middle repeater, so it involves 4 Atheros radios and three of our WAR4 533 MHz systems. The middle repeater has 4 radios, two of which are used in this test. The end points are x86 servers, (a 600 MHz P3 and a 2.4 GHz P4 both running new V3 x86PC) so the test shows available throughput and does not load the radios with the speed test software. Our own speed test shows a bit higher but is in the right ballpark and also uses tcp. Lonnie war-platform ~ traceroute 10.10.250.254 traceroute to 10.10.250.254 (10.10.250.254), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.250.10 (192.168.250.10) 1.017 ms 0.593 ms 0.536 ms 2 10.10.48.254 (10.10.48.254) 1.426 ms 1.519 ms 1.242 ms 3 10.10.226.254 (10.10.226.254) 2.176 ms 2.467 ms 2.256 ms 4 10.10.250.254 (10.10.250.254) 3.058 ms 2.852 ms 2.545 ms war-platform ~ iperf -c 10.10.250.254 Client connecting to 10.10.250.254, TCP port 5001 TCP window size: 16.0 KByte (default) [ 8] local 192.168.250.1 port 4716 connected with 10.10.250.254 port 5001 [ 8] 0.0-10.0 sec 61.6 MBytes 51.6 Mbits/sec war-platform ~ iperf -c 10.10.250.254 -d Server listening on TCP port 5001 TCP window size: 85.3 KByte (default) Client connecting to 10.10.250.254, TCP port 5001 TCP window size: 16.0 KByte (default) [ 10] local 192.168.250.1 port 4717 connected with 10.10.250.254 port 5001 [ 9] local 192.168.250.1 port 5001 connected with 10.10.250.254 port 1340 [ 10] 0.0-10.0 sec 25.9 MBytes 21.7 Mbits/sec [ 9] 0.0-10.0 sec 42.6 MBytes 35.6 Mbits/sec war-platform ~ war-platform ~ starutil 10.10.250.254 he1pm3 -rx rx rate: 5598 KB/sec (Press Ctrl-C to exit) war-platform ~ Next week I will upgrade our server 100 km away to V3 for x86PC and report the results for the following system that goes through 4 repeaters (radio in and radio out mid point) and a unit at each end, so 10 radios are involved. The remote server does not have iperf but I have shown the results of our own speedtest which the first test shows is pretty close to what iperf will show. war-platform ~ traceroute 10.10.29.1 traceroute to 10.10.29.1 (10.10.29.1), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 192.168.250.10 (192.168.250.10) 1.031 ms 0.683 ms 0.548 ms 2 10.10.48.254 (10.10.48.254) 1.701 ms 1.253 ms 1.895 ms 3 10.10.227.254 (10.10.227.254) 2.737 ms 2.982 ms 2.267 ms 4 10.10.12.4 (10.10.12.4) 3.649 ms 2.653 ms 2.51 ms 5 10.10.47.253 (10.10.47.253) 4.644 ms 3.539 ms 3.661 ms 6 10.10.51.254 (10.10.51.254) 5.651 ms 4.832 ms 5.519 ms 7 10.14.99.254 (10.14.99.254) 7.248 ms 5.907 ms 5.803 ms 8 10.10.29.1 (10.10.29.1) 7.314 ms 6.75 ms 5.856 ms war-platform ~ war-platform ~ starutil 10.10.29.1 password -rx rx rate: 2306 KB/sec (Press Ctrl-C to exit) war-platform ~ On 8/11/06, Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Task: Test Max Speed doable using Mikrotik NStreme 2 (two MPCI cards in one board). test environment... AMD 3Ghz Laptop wired - Mikrotik 532 w/ CM9 - Mikrotik 532 w/CM9 - wired to HP PIII-800Mhz Laptop. Connected in a lab environment, zero noise. Mikrotik OS ver 2.9.28 Test software 1:
RE: [WISPA] orthogon gemini lite connectorized
Title: Message Hey JohnnyO, Being a big StarOS and Mikrotik user I have always been curious as to how these compare with the likes of Orthogon. I always saw the Gemini more as a product to use in NLOS environments. Have you ever compared Mikrotik on an RB532 with Orthogon in NLOS? Cheers, P. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: 08 August 2006 05:04 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] orthogon gemini lite connectorized Dylan - save your $$ - use Mikrotik 532s - SR5s - You will be AMAZED at the performance you'll see - and save 3k to boot ! We have 2 Orthogon Links deployed and hands down Mikrotik makes me smile more :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 6:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] orthogon gemini lite connectorized Hi WISPA, I really, really, *really* need to get my hands on a connectorized OS Gemini Lite. I've had an order in with Tessco since June 21st and it's been backordered *again* til the 22nd of August. Clear Channel is not happy! So if you're sitting on a connectorized OS Gemini Lite with no plans to use it before September - help a dues-paying member out! Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 05/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.10.8/413 - Release Date: 08/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wrap 2 power
There are no new WRAP models on the market and due to AMD discontinuing the SC1100 CPU, the current WRAP models have a limited life. I have it on good authority that there may well be a replacement (with a much faster CPU) this side of Christmas ;) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 03 August 2006 01:08 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wrap 2 power I know the old WRAP were 18VDC. And I heard that they stopped making them. But, I had never heard of a new WRAP 2 I've moved on to Soekris. And, except for our Tranzeo units, all our POE is now 48VDC If the new WRAP is 48VDC, I'd be real interested in it. -- Blair Davis West MIchigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC Bob Knight wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-Hash: SHA1If I'm not mistaken, WRAPs are only rated to 18VDC.BobBlair Davis wrote: WRAP 2? what specs? will it take 48V POE?chris cooper wrote: We are rolling out some wrap 2 based nodes. The node, including powerwill be mounted externally. Has anyone devised a way to weatherharden the AC plug/POE block combo? Ive got an idea for a 2^nd ,small enclosure that piggy backs on the radio enclosure, but Imwondering if someone has come up with a slick way to do this. ThanksChrisNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 --Blair DavisWest Michigan Wireless ISP269-686-8648A Division of :Camp Communication Services, INC -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux)Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.orgiD8DBQFE0TeS09OzCOxY0TcRAjTXAJ98Fiuu54Fkm03Zao6p9UGlooBYqgCfeKu/+o4jG2EUPOh5g0mL7zSQrIE==93be-END PGP SIGNATURE- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 8/1/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 01/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/406 - Release Date: 02/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532A
Mikrotik is builtin. CF is for optional stuff like web caching. Boot it up and plug a console cable in to access. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: 02 August 2006 23:31 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RouterBoard 532A Hi all, Just got my RouterBoard 532A units. Thought they had built-in flash memory pre-loaded with MikroTik 2.9.+ software. But when I got them, I noticed a CF card socket.. Anyone know if I orderd the wrong thing by mistake? I wanted the RouterBoard with pre-loaded software. The RouterBoard 112' s look fine. -- Blair Davis West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 01/08/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/405 - Release Date: 01/08/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Mikrotik CPE's
Ola, Anyone know anywhere that has stock of the RIC/522's from Mikrotik? Lead times direct are 3 - 4 weeks at the mo but we need 20 ASAP to be shipped to Cyprus. Cheers, P. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.5/403 - Release Date: 28/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] SercoNet
Would be interesting to see how long a cable run you could run these over. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: 20 July 2006 16:14 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] SercoNet Mixed Signals Wireless networks get a boost from phone lines. Entrepreneur magazine - June 2006 For example, SercoNet is developing a technology that sends Wi-Fi signals over your existing phone lines without affecting their use for voice or DSL internet access. http://www.entrepreneur.com/mag/article/0,1539,327728,00.html Regards, Peter RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.2/393 - Release Date: 19/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 20/07/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
I am and always have been a StarOS fan. They came out on top when we where initially tested various products 2 years ago and have been great since however we had to revisited RouterOS recently when we noticed that the majority of our traffic was 100 - 200 byte packets which was killing our WAR based backhaul links. We tested a pair of WAR board running the latest V3 next to a pair of WRAP's (yes WRAP's) running RouterOS and found that with small packets the WRAP's running RouterOS and N-Streme actually outperformed the WAR's. The conclusion is that if you're looking for a solution that can push a high amount of large packets the WAR platform from Valemount is great but if you are looking to load your network with real internet traffic and VoIP then RouterOS has the edge (at the moment ;). I am really interested to see the V4 Alvarion product tested side by side a high spec RouterOS based product like the ones Stephen Patrick's company produces. I'd also be interested to hear from Alvarion what is better about their platform than a well built Mikrotik unit. P www.skyline-networks.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters
In my experience ATA adapters have always given better quality voice than a software solution. P. www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: 21 June 2006 21:28 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATA - SIP Adapters It would be far cheaper to send them a SET-UP CD that includes copies of AVS anti-virus, Ad-aware, and other security software. And has a softphone client on the CD. Soft Phone can be pre-set. CD would have to be autoplay with a GUI. Tom DeReggi wrote: I think this would be a great sales pitch. Currently send a Linksys ($60) out with every new broadband subscriber at install. Why not spend the $18 more and make it a VOIP linksys router with a sticker on the top, plug in phone, goto www.get and instantly activate voice service. It could be cheaper to always have the VOIP option sitting there and ready than to market it later? (VOIP ATA/Router down to $78, this is super value hard to argue with) The only exception might be, I may not want to promote VOIP to all customers, such as with low link quality. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/370 - Release Date: 20/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K
Are these figures in the lab? I have seen similar with a Mikrotik/N-Streme solution. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: 16 June 2006 19:57 To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] frame size and fps - was OT: about 70Mbps for under $ 6K So I have more data for you Matt I just received about what firmware 4.0 delivers in terms of frame sizes and what it can mean to the business case. Remember, this is multipoint, not PtP. All Mbps numbers are NET throughput: Frame size Upstream Mbps/FPS Downstream Mbps/FPS 64 32.18/47893 40.29/59952 128 34.7/29308 43.79/36982 256 37.68/17065 45.03/20392 512 38.41/9025 45.51/10693 102437.02/4432 44.82/5366 128038.93/3743 45.99/4422 151836.69/2982 44.63/3627 This is a dramatic improvement, first in terms of net throughput the numbers are huge and I am pretty sure no other PMP system can get close to them. But the main accomplishment is a total leveling of capacity regardless of the frame size. This results in much higher predictability and ability to capacity plan. This takes net throughput over 700% higher using small 64bit frame than the previous version. Frankly it really is an exceptional achievement that will enable operators to offer very high value services even to large enterprise. With this version of BreezeACCESS VL an operator could sell an 8 voice lines/6Mbps of data to 20 enterprise customers in a single sector with a 5:1 over subscription with a voice MOS of 4.0 or higher. And with a SOHO type service like 2 voice lines and 3Mbps of data you could have 160 customers PER sector at a 20:1 over subscription. That will produce some exceptional ARPU. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 6:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: about 70Mbps for under $6K Patrick Leary wrote: Matt, to further your comments that you see WISPs providing layer 2 transort for carriers. We have multiple CLECs and non-CLECs buying layer 2 transport from us now. All are used to buy alternative access from fiber providers and therefore fixed wireless was a naturally next step. Further, almost all indicated they would have done it sooner, but the fixed wireless companies they approached weren't willing to offer them layer 2 transport. How about VoIP? How many of you consider VoIP to be an important part of your service future as a WISP? If so, how do you plan to support since it cannot be done decently with the other popular 5GHz solutions. That's not my opinion so much as the opinion of many larger Trango and Motorola WISPs I have been talking to lately. We are doing a significant amount of VoIP now. We have VoIP customers running on top of both Trango and Canopy radios. Canopy is a significantly better solution for VoIP since we can properly prioritize voice with Canopy, while we cannot with Trango. We also wholesale VoIP to other operators and help them --if they require it-- with getting their network ready to support VoIP. If a key goal of WISPs is growing ARPU, what are WISPs plans for doing that with whatever your current technology permits? I believe VoIP is the number one way to grow ARPU and the fact that we bundle VoIP is why I believe we have one of the highest ARPUs in the industry. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses (191). * This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/366 - Release Date: 15/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database:
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
So that's a no then Tom ;) Using various bandwidth test tools (such as the one builtin to Mikrotik) from/to multiple source/destinations you can generate all sorts of traffic profiles. You can decide on the size of the packets, layer 4, direction and even bandwidth so I'd say it's very possible to set-up a test environment that isn't too far of real world. Anyone else tested? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: 14 June 2006 03:13 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Anyone compared a routed solution with a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter? Good question. But the problem there is creating a real world test environment. Convergence, can be tested somewhat accurately in low network utilization situations. To adequately test Jitter/Delay you really need to load the network, as that is when the jitter and sparatic latency happens. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed network. I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our network on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution with a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Paul Hendry wrote: We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software. What have you seen? Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a switched network in terms of covergence speed. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 12/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 12/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 13/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.4/363 - Release Date: 13/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software. What have you seen? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: 13 June 2006 04:12 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device We just completed converting our network from routed to bridged. Where each AP (we run Mikrotik) used to do its own DHCP and PPPoE to customers and speak OSPF to the network, the APs (still Mikrotik) now bridge traffic to a regional Mikrotik that handles PPPoE and DHCP for that region. We are using RSTP. In this way, people can roam from one tower to another and their DHCP lease is still good at the next tower. A region for us to 3 to 4 counties. We converted our first region about a month ago and finished the last one last weekend. We're very pleased with the results so far. Dave - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:22 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] looking for a device It is worth noting that you lose the benefits of routing protocols when you bridge your network Sure, there's always RSTP... (heh) Many larger wireless / Wifi based architecture these days seem to be favoring a layer 3 tunneling / handoff method over a bridged layer 2 network -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 5:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device To clarify The term I referred to as Double VLAN is not the technically correct name (thats just what I call it), it is actually called Q in Q as stated by several in this thread. One of the reasons this is valuable is for a wholesale network. It basically allows you to create a single VLAN end to end across your network for a subscriber or reseller, and still use VLAN for your local needs to operate your network. I'll give an example of where I might use VLAN for my network need. I have a single fiber connection from the basement to the roof. On the roof I have a VLAN switch and 6 sector radios. I have a router in the basement. I could then seperate data between the different radio traffic by giving a unique VLAN to the Ethernet port that each sector radio connects to, and route between them in my basement router. I'll give an example of where I'd use a VLAN end to end for a reseller. Reseller has a connection between me and them at one point on my network. The reseller might provide the backbone and IPs. The client routes the customers traffic to a specific VLAN when entering my network. I then have that VLAN configured across my network until reaches the end user's building router that terminates the VLAN. Now what happens when the resellers customer (example 2) resides in the building (example 1)? Normally two VLANs can't exist simultaneously as teh switch wouldn;t know which ID to tag data with. Q in Q VLAN would allow one VLAN ID to reside in side of another VLAN. Its the same concept as tunnelling, except for its not. Now how does this apply to radios that support Q in Q? Depends. Use your imagination. The first problem is can the radio pass Q in Q VLAN data? Second can it tag it? Being able to tag VLAN data at the radio level can be extremely useful. First off it avoids having to configure a second device (VLAN switch) that complicates the automation of configurations. Part of the Idea is that CLECs and Governement, are all high on Security, and they do not want to have to coordinate complex IP models between their systems and the wholesalers, instead they want to be able to send traffic LAyer2 and seperate traffic so one client does not have the abilty to see the other client's traffic. Its sort of an Ethernet way of doing a Private Virtual Circuit. The only problem with VLAN is you need to have every component of you network that passes VLANs to be able to pass large packets so Full MTU can be delivered to clients. This is one of the limits to Wifi and regular switches, is many Wifi devices and all non managed switches do not pass large packets. Radio like Trango and Alvarion (with Q in Q support) have the abilty to pass large packets. The other advantage of VLAN is that when used across a PtMP design and VLAN support at CPE, it allows doing remote banwdith management based on the customers circuit ID, and having a way to distinguish and differentiate the data. Q in Q, gives the provider flexibilty on how and when they would like to use
RE: [WISPA] looking for a device
The delay in switching a packet at hardware is less than the delay in routing a packet at software. This is 1 of the reasons that Cisco created the GSR and why an MPLS switched network is fast than a plain routed network. I'm not too interested in convergence times as we only have very minimal outages so RSTP should suffice. How fast a packet can traverse our network on the other hand is important so that we can reliably run VoIP and other delay/jitter sensitive applications. Anyone compared a routed solution with a Mikrotik bridged solution for delay/jitter? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 13 June 2006 13:26 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] looking for a device Paul Hendry wrote: We too have been looking at moving from routed to a switched Mikrotik for the core network but the unknown quantity seems to be if there are any latency or speed issues related to the move. A true switched network is faster than a routed network as the switching is done at a hardware level but in Mikrotik I believe both switching and routed is done in software. What have you seen? Faster in what way? Certainly, a routed network is going to beat a switched network in terms of covergence speed. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 12/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/362 - Release Date: 12/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: layer 2 transport (was Re: [WISPA] looking for a device)
VLAN's aren't implemented using (R)STP. (R)STP is just used to prevent layer2 loops where as VLAN's are used to separate traffic at layer 2 into separate broadcast domains. VLAN's are layer 2 so you need a flat network to implement them which means there are scalability issues. Because they are layer 2 it means the traffic is switched instead of routed which is normally quicker as a switched network is normally done in hardware (ASICs). EoIP will create a layer 2 topology over a routed network which means you can implement a flat vlan network across the public internet if you wanted however it adds overhead to each packet as the traffic is tunneled which effects the available bandwidth. It is also slower than VLAN's as it's not true layer2. MPLS is designed to switch traffic quickly through the use of a label or shim instead of routing based on IP address. It offers speed, scalability and functionality and has built-in support for multicast, QoS, VPN's, many routing protocols such as BGP and OSPF. Each have there place but it depends on the application and scale of the project. Cheers, P. www.skyline-networks.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: 09 June 2006 21:18 To: WISPA General List Subject: layer 2 transport (was Re: [WISPA] looking for a device) John Scrivner wrote: Can anyone describe any functional and/or technical differences between VLANs and say MPLS or Mikrotik's EoIP? It sounds to me like all three are functional equivalents of each other. Please correct me if this is an incorrect assumption. I have Googled it so spare me the obvious. I want to hear your thoughts. Thanks, Scriv VLANs are implemented using (R)STP and they were generally described earlier. (R)STP is a broadcast protocol that allows multiple layer 2 devices to among other things be connected redundantly without causing loops. Thus, you can create a rather large and complex network where individual layer 2 networks share infrastructure, but are separated from each other. This is used by some carriers to sell layer 2 transport, which is basically a single VLAN that is trunked across the network. VLANs are not an ideal way to deal with layer 2 transport for several reasons. First, STP is very slow to deal with link state changes. Worse, STP networks get slower the larger they are. RSTP fixes some of these issues with STP, but convergence time is still too slow for most applications. Next, VLANs must be properly configured across the all devices that might be involved in the circuits delivery. Failure to properly configure the VLANs can result in your entire network failing as the links are saturated with (R)STP broadcasts. Finally, there is a finite limit on the number of VLANs you can have on any given Ethernet network. MPLS can provide layer 2 transport just like VLANs, but without all the above problems. However, MPLS is not limited to layer 2 transport. MPLS allows for transport of many protocols from Ethernet to ATM to IP. Further, MPLS TE allows for enforcement of SLAs in regards to latency, jitter, and QoS. Most interestingly though, MPLS rides on top of an IP network allowing all the benefits of a redundant IP network including sub-second convergence. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/360 - Release Date: 09/06/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
