Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband
Charles has another good idea, But would they kill-off the smallest WISPS? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2011 11:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband It looks like a success-based voucher technologically neutral system for USF Reform/CAF is what's being proposed by the RCA (Rural Cellular Association) http://rca-usa.org/press/rca-press-releases/five-things-the-fcc-can-do-to-accelerate-broadband-deployment/914048 Perhaps WISPA should/could partner up with them for a stronger voice? -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeromie Reeves Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC Favors Shifting Rural Subsidies To Broadband We need to have the USF turned into a voucher credit system that the end user can apply to what ever supplier they chose. Maybe its not the best idea, but I do not feel I have heard of a better one. Better for /the users/ not better for the I/CLECs and other very vested interests. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Fred Goldstein wrote: At 2/11/2011 01:06 AM, JohnS wrote: The FCC is looking for comments, so we all need to make it quite clear that the funds should be available for any and all broadband providers! http://news.yahoo.com/s/nf/20110207/tc_nf/77213 Bret We should comment. The comment should be that we do not support any form of broadband subsidies and that USF should be eliminated. It is a New Internet Tax. We should all call it that and get people riled up about it. The FCC can't eliminate USF entirely. It is statutory: The Telecom Act of 1996 established USF and called for it to keep rural telephone rates comparable to urban rates. Because rural states get two senators just like big states, they have undue influence on subsidy legislation. Ted Stevens of Alaska was a leader here; he later wanted the FCC to outlaw VoIP, since it threatened the costly toll minutes that paid into USF. The new proposal makes matters worse, though, since it keeps existing USF intact and adds yet another fund to allow one provider per place to provide subsidized Internet access. I expect that it will usually be the ILEC, getting more money to compete with WISPs. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] No connectivity at 3-5 user locations, seems strange
Anyone who can help, We have 3-5 users that cannot access the internet via Canopy 9000 SMC's w/ 17 dB Yagi, ss600 surge, When config'd to freq. Color Code, same firmware version as AP - AP does not see the radio, radio does not see tower AP. Go to 'tools' in SM, alignment mode, and we have -60 to -70 dBm on all radios, spectrum analyzer shows a good signal across the 924 MHz channel. Switch off the alignment mode and 'SA', 'go back to 'status' and there is only the 107 to 108 RSSI. One site I have changed out the entire installation, been good for four years, the same result. Rural area, 1-5 miles separation between sites, happening on two (2) different 9000 APC's. Customers are unhappy, I am stumped. Does anyone know the answer to the problem? A suggestion, anything? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MS Sys7 connection Problem, need help
All, Since the last week of July we have had a number, 8-10 now, of customers that have MicroSoft System 7 on thier PC's, and they cannot connect to the Canopy network. After configuring the Local Area Connection properly, when the browser is open the 'local area connection' looses access to the net. Has anyone else experienced similar behavior? I'm not that familiar Sys7. At the same time my laptop,running XP, will hook-up and 'go nuts'. Any clues, I need help. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could you share the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA.ForbesWISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!!
Thanks Forbes, that is helpful. I'm on my way to do that now. Thanks again. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 9, 2010 11:27 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP also!!! Ron, I'm not really sure if you're asking about what I looked for inWireShark or just where is WireShark? The program I just got fromgoogle. Ultimately I went to the tower where the problem was andisolated it from the network. Shut off everyone and turned them on oneat a time, the IP Conflict occurred immediately when that person wason. I went to their house and the Bullet(Ubiquiti) wouldn't reset so Ipulled it, replaced it and problem gone... a VERY long weekend! Let meknow if you need any other help. Those guys with the shirts that sayhow bad bridging a large network is are right on! Forbes On 8/9/2010 8:20 AM, Ron Wallace wrote: Forbes, I am experiencing a Similar or The same problem You had. Could youshare the Wireshark you learned from Brett? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Forbes Mercy [mailto:forbes.me...@wabroadband.com] Sent: Monday, August 2, 2010 12:21 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointedout how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that andfound the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down broughtthe rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routedtomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged toRouted is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summerweekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanksso much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA.ForbesWISPAWants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Towers....
Hey Bob, was that 4 bedroom an inlaw unit in the backyard? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Bob Moldashel [mailto:lakel...@gbcx.net] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 10:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Towers Just wanted to post a quick plug here for Nello Towers.If any of you guys or gals is considering buying a tower or towers you should consider these guys. We have been installing tower stuff for years and and I can't remember the last time I didn't have to pull out a mag drill, torch, come-a-long, sledgehammer or some other tool or device to make a tower go together. we just installed a 100' freestanding Nello NSX tower for a customer and every single hole lined up perfectly, the instructions were straight forward, everything was labeled and color coded, and there was even a box that said SPARE HARDWARE Holy Crap! Imagine that!!! A freakin' tower dog's miracle moment. we put the tower together and hung it in one day without issue. And we were not short ANYTHING.We have a second one to do and I can honestly say I am looking forward to it.Now I have no relationship with this company and I don't make anything from them. But I know what a nightmare putting some of these toge ther can be like for someone with experience. Can't imagine a novice trying it. Anyone looking for some fun should buy five 100' Super Trylon towers from Tessco and try putting them together with the instructions off the web site. Took us 4 weeks especially when we realized we had all kinds of parts missing. And the shipping was a killer because Tessco makes its own kits and crates each individual section in nice heavy wood crates. 10 sections, 10 crates. We had enough wood left over to build a 4 bedroom house! :-)Just an FYI.BobWISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.
Charles, I am looking at 'Freeside' billing system from Jeremy Davis Maximum Technology. I am interested in your 'Merchant Services', (I understand it is part of the Freeside System) I have Service Stations and other businesses that should be interested in lowering their Merchant Services costs. How can we work together? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com] Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:38 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software. As for merchant services, we have a very nice system in place through ourlocal bank. We're quite happy with it and we're getting very good rates.Good for youRemember, credit card rates are all based upon fraud risk (e.g., a swiped card has a lower transaction rate than a phone order / keyed card) -- that said, there are specific rate structures that were implemented about 4-5 years ago to account for the fact that ISP/Telco/CableCos bill the same people every month and that they have extremely low chargebacksYour bank (and I'd say 99% of the credit card industry) doesn't differentiate between this and I can say with 100% certainty that you're being labeled as an Internet/Ecommerce provider.Additionally, to take advantage of this rate structure, Visa/MC require the implementation of enhanced data requirements; this can only occur with direct integration into a billing platform (e.g., need to get rid of the gateway)We've engaged over 300 service providers since the summer, and in EVERY SCENARIO, we have been able to properly reclassify them to take advantage of the recurring ISP/Telco/Cableco rates and reduce their payment processing fees by 10-40%-CharlesThis message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-344-1586.WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] (no subject)
To All, Over past I have seen antenna mounts on a number of H20 towers - Tank type - constructed by WISP's. Does anyone have pictures? Drawings, etc. I have a meeting with a local township to place our facilities on their water tower. And I need to write a proposal for the board. If you all could help me, yet again, that would be great. Thank you in advance. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] (no subject)
Thanks Joe, it all helps. Thanks again. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Joe Miller [mailto:joemiller...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 08:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject) The antennas I have on water towers are attached by beam clamps. I will use a 1 1/2 piece of EMT pipe, drill a hole through the pipe and connect the beam clamp to it with a bolt long enough to go through the pipe. this way nothing is welded or drilled into the water tower. If for some reason we have to remove out gear, there is nothing that has to be repaired by us or the water company.Hope this helps some.--- On Wed, 2/18/09, Ron Wallace wrote: From: Ron Wallace Subject: [WISPA] (no subject) To: Wispa , isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com, WISPA Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 5:57 AM To All, Over past I have seen antenna mounts on a number of H20 towers - Tank type - constructed by WISP's. Does anyone have pictures? Drawings, etc. I have a meeting with a local township to place our facilities on their water tower. And I need to write a proposal for the board. If you all could help me, yet again, that would be great. Thank you in advance. Ron Walla ce Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Antenna Mounts for Elevated Water Tower Tanks
To All, Overpast I have seen antenna mounts on a number of H20 towers - Tank type -constructed by WISP's. Does anyone have pictures? Drawings, etc. Ihave a meeting with a local township to place our facilities on theirwater tower. And I need to write a proposal for the board. If you all could help me, yet again, that would be great. Thank you in advance. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] It can mean everything
I chose Scriv Tom's Stories. When I first started Scriv, Rick Harnish, Marlon shaffer spent a lot of time and energy assisting me whenever I asked for help. They never said 'no', they never ignored my requests no matter how simple or ignorant of the facts I was. My system is still small, but growing. We are getting there. If I were to make a recommendation, I would listen closely to what John Scrivner, Tom DeReggi, Rick Harnish and others who given so much to you and I say and recommend. There are reasons why they are where they are. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:j...@scrivner.com] Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 01:33 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] It can mean everything I used to say our government had no place in broadband. One thing happenedthat changed my thinking to some degree. A small rural town called Bluford,Illinois used to have no broadband until a few years ago. At that time Inever used 900 MHz gear because it was out of my budget. Bluford was full oftrees. It is a very poor community which led me to believe they could notafford the high price of 900 MHz CPEs. Basically Bluford defined theDigital Divide. My attitude toward USDA grants was They should stay outof this but if someone will get the money it might as well be me. I shotfor the moon. I budgeted for Waverider 900 MHz (The only 900 MHz gearavailable at that time) and a new tower. I asked for free installs for allresidents. I ran surveys of every person in town. In short I did everythingthe USDA required of the grant and then some. I even went to broadbandconventions and told others how to apply for grants.Then a miracle happened.My grant was funded. I received $310K to build service into Bluford. It wasthe nicest setup I had ever done. The people of Bluford were ecstatic. Over60% of all residents bought service. We built a free community technologycenter at the local grade school. We gave free broadband to the schools, thevillage hall, the fire department, etc. as a condition of the grant. Blufordwas doing great. Still, this had not really changed my thinking that UncleSam should keep out of the broadband business.One child did change my mind.An 8 year old boy in Bluford got leukemia shortly after we setup the newbroadband there. Dad and son, alone, faced the dark days ahead. These peoplewere poor folks facing the horrors of cancer. Despite all this adversity andgloom the boy had only one major mental obstacle which really cut to thecore for him. He could not face the prospects of having to be held back ayear of school. You see, he was forced into isolation from killing off hisimmune system as a consequence of the bone marrow being destroy ed andreplaced. He desparately wanted to finish school with his class. The schooolcalled me and asked if we could help with the broadband grant program we hadwon. We did. We bought a pan-tilt-zoom camera and set it up on a roll aroundcart along with a speakerphone in his classroom. We installed broadband inhis home for free using 900 MHz radios to bust through the trees. The boyattended classes virtually through this system. He beat his cancer. He alsofinished his year with his fellow students.How much is this worth?It seems to me that this particular broadband application is much like thePriceless description we see in those VISA commercials. But let's try toput a dollar amount on it. Is it worth $310K to be able to do this? Is itpossible that this one boy's hope alone is worth $310K and the fact that thewhole town now has broadband is a bonus?Maybe it is ok to let our leaders lead for a change.I have seen many bad things come from bad government in my 43 years on thisear th. I have been fortunate enough to see some good things too. Untilrecently I thought cynicism was going to rule the day forever in regard togovernment. I thought patrotism was dead. I thought the American Dream hadfaded and spoiled into a nightmare. Sadly the government has done much toamplify those feelings. Regardless of your politics you have to be worried.Maybe it is ok to have hope too. Maybe we should try for once to say that wewill take our leader's lead and try to stimulate our economy throughbroadband deployment. I am willing to give it a shot. Maybe this will notwork but maybe it will. What if success or failure of this program is moredependent on how we make use of this program than whether or not the programis right or wrong? This is possibly the most unique opportunity of ourlives. The government is basically telling us they want us to save thecountry. They are opening up the bank and saying to us, What would you doto make broadband a stimulating force to aid this country's economy if moneywas not a barrier to your success? I am going to have to step up
Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review...
OK, what is AF09? So I'm just a dumb country boy. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 04:44 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... Travis,Ok, I'm game.First of all, a plain 802.11g wireless AP should be thrown in the junk pile and replaced with StarOS or MT. Depending on the quality of signal and modulation rates from the majority of the users, I would have also removed some of the higher mods to reduce rate shifts. And then, I would have set up bandwidth profiles for each user to something in the 1meg down/512K up range. That would pretty much fix the bandwidth and latency problem.When I do your upload test, I don't have the same problems. I do bandwidth control in the access point, and with upload rates set to half of the download rates, I have no problem putting 50 to 75 users on one AP and still provide good download speeds (1meg/2meg/4meg packages) with decent latency (20-40ms latency at peaks) and no packet loss. That is also with quite a few VOIP users who would be howling if the service didn't work.BTW, Canopy radios at $160 are double the cost of a NanoStation. Canopy with a reflector is 3x the cost of a Bullet5 and 26db grid. StarOS APs are at least 1/4th the cost of a comparable Canopy AP. Matt Larsenvistabeam.comTravis Johnson wrote: Matt, I know we have already discussed this several times, and I'm not sure we need to do it again... but maybe you could explain how you could have setup a plain 802.11g wireless AP so that each client (using all different kinds of wireless adapters) could have gotten equal bandwidth and latency at AF09? And, once again, I have done test after test after test using 802.11 stuff... and every single time (using Mikrotik without Nstreme, using StarOS, using OSBridge and using Nanostations) if we setup an AP and we connect two clients with laptops and start a continuous upload, the other client is basically dead in the water. Even if we limit the upload to 2Mbps or 3Mbps, when that client starts the upload, the other client has very high latency, very bad download speeds, etc. As for price on Canopy vs. 802.1 1... things are not always as they seem. I know of a large Canopy operator that is buying radios for $160 each. ;) And, we have Trango AP's that only deliver 5Mbps total with 128 clients and we deliver 4ms latency to every single client. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Sorry Travis, but you are dead wrong about 802.11 not being able to scale beyond 20 users, especially with 802.11a. I explained how it can be done to you before and I have consulting clients with 10,000 plus users on their 802.11 based networks scaling right up to the same size as any Canopy or Trango network. You might not be able to get to 150 subs per AP, but you can certainly hit 50-75 per sector and offer service that is damn close and a far sight cheaper than what Canopy will do. I would take a StarOS a/b/g network over a Canopy system every day of the week. As far as problems at AF09 - that is what you get when Canopy guys are running an 802.11 n etwork. If I was running it with the proven equipment and deployment methods that many of us use on 802.11 networks, there would not have been any such problems. Just because the AF09 guys couldn't figure it out (or more likely didn't bother to try) doesn't mean that it can't be done right. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: The problem will be that they are still plain 802.11 technology. There is no polling or ARQ or FEC or anything else that makes technology like Trango, Canopy and others work so well. We pulled all of our 802.11 stuff down over 5 years ago. It does NOT scale. You will never get an AP with reliable, consistent service with more than 20 users. In fact, I think we witnessed this at AF09. Everyone connected to the same AP (48 I think was the count) and we continually got disconnected and the speeds and latency were terrible. Could there be a better real world experience than that? :) Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: All I can do is shake my head. Ubiquity seems to have acquired some Area51 technology.__ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rea...@muddyfrogwater.us Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] UBNT Bullet5 review... I deployed my first Bullet5 today. Not the high power, but the standard. throughput testing showed insignificant difference between my Star-OS/WAR1 combo and the Bullet. The AP shows that the Bullet has active
Re: [WISPA] Mac Dearman
Mac, Sharon, Jeremy, Mac is in my thoughts prayers. Never give up, Never give up, Never give up. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Matt Larsen - Lists [mailto:li...@manageisp.com] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 09:52 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Mac Dearman Our good friend and fellow WISP operator Mac Dearman is in the hospital after suffering chest pains on Saturday. It was determined that he did have a heart attack and he will be undergoing further tests tomorrow at the hospital in Shreveport. Please send your thoughts and prayers to Mac and his family right now. Mac is a great friend and a true American hero - lets help him get through this.Matt Larsenvistabeam.comWISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] metal building install
Jim, (jeffco) you might think about a fabric cover, stretched over a frame. EG,the frabric 'radomes' on large paraboloids, 6-10'. Not so much inuse today. They are almost bullet-proof, can be made to look likealmost anything - synthetic, and light weight. Wind loading willbe an issue. Not to mention installation. We employed this tech. in a similar situation, albeit many yearsago. to extend a penthouse vertically 15'. From the groundyou couldn't tell the difference. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Jim Patient [mailto:sa...@jeffcosoho.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 04:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] metal building install I don't have a picture handy. There isn't much to see though. It is just a plain stainless steel wall at the areas the antennas are going. Jim3-dB Networks wrote: Can you provide a picture of the building? Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jim Patient Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] metal building install We have a project to install 5GHz sectors on a large beautiful building that has brushed stainless sheeting on the sides. The antennas must be installed on the outside walls and cannot be higher than the sides. They want the antennas to be hidden or as non-obtrusive as possible. Anyone got any ideas on how to cover, hide, or camouflage the antennas? There will be 3 sectors on each side. If anyone has done something like this and would care to share pictures, that would be great. Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/--- - WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident)
Yes, Chuck has it. A similar system can be found at http://parts.valmont.com -(maintenance/saftey) Tuf-Tug Saftey-climb cable system. Midwest - 877-467-4763. Valmont now owns Pirod Microflect. They are not cheap, but its the real tower materials. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz -Original Message- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [mailto:ch...@beehive.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2009 03:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) No but you could fall down and get so tangled up the rescue would be difficult. I have climbed caged ladders that had a pipe up the center of the ladder with small ratchet notches in it. The arrester device was a pipe looking thing that would slide up the safety pipe/rail. It had a spring loaded dog that would engage the notches if you fell. I thought it was a pretty good system.- Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:39 PMSubject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) That's what the safety cage is for. if you fall basically you should only be leaning back on the cage. You technically shouldn't be able to fall with a safety cage. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Grain leg safety cage (was Re: Tower accident) What happens when you fall? Brian John Valenti wrote: Brian, Why would you want to add a safety cable to the cage? I'm on several legs with the cages and they seem great. I usually just lean back to take a break while climbing. It seems like an unnecessary bother, and something else to get in the way while climbing the ladder. Just curious what your thinking is, maybe I'm missing something. -John On Jan 6, 2009, at 9:20 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have seriously thought about putting a cable going up the center of the ladders on all the elevator legs we're on. There is already one on the leg that has no cage. Then we could clip on a go, with either a belt or a light harness (unlike my big sit down elk river harness that is a little heavy). Anyone run these cable before? What is needed? WISPA Wants Yo u! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wirel...@wispa.orgsubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.o rg/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade
I agree with you Marlon. There seems to be fewer instances where the membership is consulted on issues of importance regarding the FCC. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 02:29 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Raining on the whitespaces parade Hi All, As a member of the FCC committee and a long term DC participant (first went there as a WISP in 2001 or 2002) I feel I have to point out some critical flaws in our proposals. I said much of this at the committee level but to no avail. First, let me say this though. The filing is masterful. It's a GREAT document. My heartburn has nothing to do with the document it's self or the hard work that's gone into it. My heartburn is content based. Well, most of it is anyway. I have a problem with WISPA changing it's stance from unlicensed to licensed lite without having consulted with the membership on this issue. Our last team came back from DC and told us what our new position was. That's NOT what I help found WISPA for. I could have just stayed with a couple of the other associations that I've been a part of and been man handled like that. Lest anyone take this the wrong way, I happen to LIKE the licensed lite concept. I just don't like having a committee that will make a maj or change without discussion before hand. If there was discussion that said we were going to move from unlicensed to licensed lite and I missed it then I missed it. I know there had been discussion about the idea but nothing voted on by anyone when it came to an official stance. Not the way to run this railroad in my, not so, humble opinion. Now, to the whitespaces issue. I have MAJOR problems with the stance on adjacent channels. We give up 3 for 1 every time a TV channel, or microphone etc. fires up in our area. A TV station goes live and we don't loose the channel that they are on, we loose it and 2 on each side. This means that in any market that has as little as 1/3rd of the channels in use by licensed operators (TV stations AND mics) will be totally useless for us. Why not simply set the out of band emissions standards high enough that we CAN use adjacent channels? I begged for that language, it satisfies both us and the broadcasters. I know it's not technically possib le today. So what? Just tonight as I was working on an AP I saw a customer connected at the 18meg speed with a signal level of -96. Who'd have imagined that would be possible just a couple of year ago? Next, I HATE geolocation as the only mechanism. I use circles on a map. I know how inaccurate they really are. They also change dramatically as the technology changes. When I started my WISP in 2000 a 15 mile cell size was the max. And if we got anywhere near 1 meg with a 4 watt EIRP system that also amped the receive signal by 14ish dB we were oh so happy. Now I can go even further than that and get 2 to 3 megs with NO amp and an eirp of 1 watt or so. Same exact CPE units that were in place when we pulled the AP'd ap system out. Actual signal measurement is really the only way to accurately determine interference issues. Well, OK, I guess one could just put a large enough exclusion zone around the broadcasters to make sure that there is no interference. Unfortunately that also means we end up with even less market potential. Here is my idea for whitespaces. This is what I'll be personally filing. I'll fine tune it and likely add some ideas that slip my mind right now. I'm still more than a bit miffed that there wasn't even a vote on our filing (I know I'm whining, but I'm well and truly pissed). Geolocation should be used until such time as a sensing mechanism can be found that will work. Lets be honest here guys. NO one knows IF the FCC will even allow white spaces use let alone with a sensing system. Just how much R and D do you think was put into this project in this economy? Sensing works great on $60 WiFi cards for God's sake! (Listen before talk, CSMAK.) It'll work for TV channels as well. It'll just take a little more time and effort. Set a high standard, one that will protect the licensed users and then let the market go to work on the problem. Once sales opportunities actually exist people will start working on ways to make this hap pen. Licensed lite is a great idea. There should be NO first in mechanism though. This leads to those with all of the money getting all of the prime slots and the rest of us sucking hind teet again. What we should do instead (and I floated this idea as well) is follow the Spectrum Policy Task Force's recommendation and implement time sharing too. All AP's should require either GPS sync or some mechanism that they do among any other AP's that they can hear. Each
Re: [WISPA] DMS Wireless Antennas
My experience has been the same as Don Renner. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Don Renner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 12:22 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Wireless Antennas We have had much better performance with M2 900 yagi. Used to use the DMSs. Don Renner NetsurfUSA 812-936-4514 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMS Wireless Antennas Does anyone have any comments on 900MHz DMS Wireless sector antennas? They seem to have the highest gain out there but the low price has me concerned. Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 P Please consider the environment before printing this email WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wirele ss/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall)
I would also go, sounds very interesting, Charles. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 03:48 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall) I would go John Buwa Michiana Wireless - Original Message - From: Charles Wu To: Motorola Canopy User Group ; WISPA General List Cc: Jeff Ehman Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [WISPA] Thoughts on WiNOG in Chicago (Big Show this Fall) As some of you may (or may not) know, we used to organize large trade shows several years ago...at its height, WiNOG had over 500+ attendees with 50+ exhibiting sponsors (I still have pictures of Rick Harnish and Mac Dearman @ the inaugural WISPA meeting in Chicago almost 3+ years ago =) In 2006, I decided to put an end to the large shows and change the format into a 1-day traveling road-show due to the fact for the there hasn't really been anything all that exciting out there in the market that would drive traffic to get me to put forth the effort to organize a large show...That said, I believe that with recent market developments, including the release of the 3.65 GHz band, the commercializati on of WiMAX equipment in the US and the maturation of the market, I have enough stuff to work with to build an interesting content program. That said, before I go out and spend a lot of time and effort throwing something together, I'd like to get a feel for what people feel: Here are my thoughts 1. WiMAX World 2008 is scheduled for Sept 30-Oct 2, 2008 (Tuesday-Thursday) in Chicago...with 100+ exhibitors, it makes for a pretty large gathering of the wireless operator industry 2. While WiMAX World has a lot of people coming together, it's focusing more on large mobile broadband operators (ClearWire / Sprint) and the 802.16e WiMAX standard instead of small-to-medium operators who would utilize 802.16d (fixed) WiMAX 3. A three-day conference pass for WiMAX World costs almost $2,000...additionally, in looking at the programming, it seems more suited for Wall-Street / Gartner-type Analysts than for operators deploying systems in the field 4. WiMAX World (Yankee Group) is aware that they're content program doesn't really cater to the small-to-medium fixed-wireless operators, so they've come to me with a proposal to put together a more focused / targeted program on the side (that's also cheaper) Here's my idea 1. Do WiNOG as a smaller sub-get-together (100 or so people) focused on the specific issues of fixed-operators on September 29-30 (Monday-Tuesday) right before WiMAX World 2. Make WiNOG affordable to the network operators (have 2 tiers of admissions - 1 tier for service providers at say $95 to pay for food and another tier for vendors / consultants / random people at $500+) 3. Give attendees of WiNOG (through some cross-promotional agreement) the ability to go to the WiMAX World Exhibit hall for free on Oct 1-2 (Wednesday / Thursday), so they would get the focused content and operator peer-to-peer discussion along with the chance to experience a massive exhibit hall T houghts? Comments? -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking
Thank You , Forrest. Concise and to the point. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Forrest W Christian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 02:52 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Topic change - Trade Association Was: Report: FCCtoPunishComcast Over Web Blocking [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, in relation to a previous statement about CALEA being good for WISPA: I can find NO benefit to it of ANY kind. Nor has anyone I know of explained a single benefit, ever. It is a mandate on how a network must function, a limitation to equipment, software, topology, and redundancy, and an absurd notion in the first place. It is a direct requirement to dumb-down and overbuild bandwidth, with NO return of ANY kind, financial or otherwise. From my perspective, almost everyone in the WISP industry got broadsided by the whole CALEA thing... But by the time everyone was aware of the requirements, it was too late to do anything meaningful as far as the rules themselves. What WISPA did was diffuse a potentially very bad and very expensive situation for WISP's. In short, the standards which WISPA developed and got approved basically says that you have to be able to packet sniff the data and provide it to the LEA. One actual statement in the APPROVED standard says: In unusual cases it may be impossible to perform one or more of these functions. The WISP is expected to make a best effort attempt to satisfy these requirements. It doesn't say you have to redesign your network. It doesn't say you have to dumb down a network. It doesn't say you have to overbuild bandwidth. Go ahead read the standard.. and realize that the ability to comply with this very easy to comply with standard is your safe harbor all thanks to the hard work provided by WISPA. You can choose how much you want to do to prepare. True, you may have to go put a packet sniffer at an AP site in response to a intercept request, but I suspect that would have been the case before CALEA as well. -forrest WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] pa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] User check program
Larry, Is this on the market yet? how could I get a copy to test? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 04:28 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: Re: [WISPA] User check program It also means the program doesn't work with no Windows computers, which are increasingly gaining market share. True... I don't have a Mac, so I can't building for that market. While I could and probably will build something for Linux eventually, it seems irrelevant. If your client has Linux, they probably know enough about routing so that this software is unnecessary. Or if that's not possible, does anyone have any suggestions as to other visual languages which DO NOT USE .NET and which might be used for future ports of this application. Java. But JAVA requires that a Java VM be installed on the PC. The point is to avoid having to install a separate Framework. Ideally, I'd like a linker that would just compile in those components within .NET that I rely upon. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] User check program
Oh yes, and where can i get more info on the User check program? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 04:28 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: Re: [WISPA] User check program It also means the program doesn't work with no Windows computers, which are increasingly gaining market share. True... I don't have a Mac, so I can't building for that market. While I could and probably will build something for Linux eventually, it seems irrelevant. If your client has Linux, they probably know enough about routing so that this software is unnecessary. Or if that's not possible, does anyone have any suggestions as to other visual languages which DO NOT USE .NET and which might be used for future ports of this application. Java. But JAVA requires that a Java VM be installed on the PC. The point is to avoid having to install a separate Framework. Ideally, I'd like a linker that would just compile in those components within .NET that I rely upon. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach
Sigh, I'm glad you are the moderator Rick. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 04:16 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach It looks like Mark from Neofast is back disguised as muddyfrogwater. How fun is this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 4:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach Im going to repost a response I made privately, leaving off the other person... I want to be clear what's really bothering me lately. == Maybe I should be more clear. I fail to see why I should have to conduct even 1 minute's free labor... The results of which are going to result absolutely NO benefit to me, and then we'll all get to see some politicians claim credit for the spread of broadband, even though that spread has been solely the result of some of us working our butts off, and risking our own money and 12 hour days. I can find absolutely no reason to think that ANY of us are going to benefit from this. T he only people who could possibly benefit, would be the Qwest's and the Clearwires of the world, who have publicly financed expansion research done for them. I doubt any of us, save a handful who cover large areas, could benefit at all. I know I make my expansions based on on-the-ground efforts, going to door to door and finding out who has broadband, who doesn't and then figuring out how to fill the gaps, some of which are as small as a housing development with 10 houses in it. This will never be figured out by the FCC or any agency. I'm DOING the work that needs to be done. Why on earth should I do free labor while doing it? But I'll bet that on a more macro scale, all we do is provide the directions for bigger guys deciding what towns or cities to deploy in without spending a dime in research. I know I buy a lot of $140 (and climbing) tanks of diesel to find areas not covered and then cover them, and then go to door to door to sign up people. I have perhaps 20,000 peo ple in my targeted market, which covers everything from farms and vineyards to forested mountains, and it's an hour and a half to drive across from the farthest customers now, and in a fe months it's going to be close to two hours. So, why on earth should I then be required to expend more time and effort and possibly money, just to tell someone else where to go for free? Perhaps I'm just irked because the heavy hand of both state and federal govenrments is coming down on a lot of what we do - I may soon need a contractor's license and AND hire a licensed electrician... to be a WISP, of all things. If that's the case, my customers will become unserved. And there is NOBODY in my corner fighting this either federally or at the state level. Rather, every organization I've uncovered is just nodding and smiling like some lobotomized sheep. - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1 :19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I agree, I would also like to know the position of WISPA. It looks like another great way for some company to make extra income off of my already short bottom line. The current reporting is a pain but can be completed in an hour or so. I am not privileged to have GIS software and data setting around for all my data to interface with. Besides in my area the census track is larger then the ZIP's. So they will get less exact data. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadband's reach I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is. Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but the only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are required to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of the census unit each customer and count them up. At this moment, I have no idea what a census unit is, how it is determined, or even how to find out that information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over thousands of square miles. Frankly, I haven't the time. Unless software exists to automate this, this is going to be rather man-hour intensive for anyone with more than 20 broadband customers. Is WISPA going to lobby
Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
Yes, you are right David, it was not specific. They need to protect their Medicial Billing Records, Patient info as well as critical info about their own business from Hackers who might discover thier business, damage some of the billing and medical data, or cause a failure in their system. Worst case would be to publish patient medical Records data, this has happened before and HHS and the Attorneys freak out, and so therefore do the Docs. Outside Access requirement is only for the Doc's wife to access the Billing System (SW) to enable work from home. I appreciate anything you are willing to share. And your pointing out the vagueness of the request was insightful, thanks very much. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: David E. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 06:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. That's incredibly vague. What do they need to protect, from whom, and what if any outside access should be permitted? This could be as simple as a $50 Linksys router, or as complicated as a mid-range Cisco PIX (last I looked those still were in the $700-ish range). Answering the question properly will require quite a bit more information. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The best Firewall - for the money
to All, I have a small Medical practice that has requested a firewall for their LAN. Which would you all recommend? Price rane below $1000, Doc woule prefer $500. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] outdoor CAT5
Try -www.cablesforless.com-Good Prices and Q WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Small footprint $399 laptop
To All, about 6-8 weeks ago someone mentioned a 399 dollar notebook PC. Does anyone know who was offering that and a URL, please. any help is much appreciated. Thanks to all. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small footprint $399 laptop
That's it. Thanks John - -Original Message- From: John Valenti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 1, 2008 12:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small footprint $399 laptop Ron, One that is getting a lot of buzz currently is the Asus EEE. Look at Newegg or Google for that. -John On February 1, at 12:11 PM February 1, Ron Wallace wrote: To All, about 6-8 weeks ago someone mentioned a 399 dollar notebook PC. Does anyone know who was offering that and a URL, please. any help is much appreciated. Thanks to all. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation'
Hey Marlon, I support you in this belief, Take that as a firm stance. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 01:26 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a discussion focused on finding common ground between them and us. It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep personal portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at first (really forever as far as I'm concerned). Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance? marlon - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' Wireless industry slams NAB's white space 'misinformation' The row over US ‘white space’ spectrum continues, with the newly formed Wireless Innovation Alliance http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/ stepping up its campaign to convince the FCC and the industry that wireless devices can be used in these areas without interfering with digital TV signals. The WIA last week accused the broadcast industry, as represented by the National Association of Broadasters (NAB), of misleading the public just as the FCC prepares to test updated wireless devices from the likes of Microsoft (the original prototypes failed non-interference testing, though the WIA claims this had more to do with poor testing methods than real problems for digital TV signals). These products are designed to work in an unused channel within the digital TV band, but to switch to another channel if the first is needed for a television signal. The WIA was formed last month to lobby the FCC to complete testing and move forward with technical guidelines. Six House of Representatives members wrote to FCC chairman Kevin Martin recently to urge a final decision in the next few months. The transition from analog to digital TV is due to be completed in February 2009. “Upcoming testing of white space concept devices is meant to assist FCC engineers to craft the strongest possible rules while ensuring maximum public benefit. Yet instead of respecting the FCC’s desire to perform concept testing, your recent public misinformation campaign has confused the testing process and misled the public and policy makers,” stated the WIA in a letter http://wirelessinnovationalliance.com/files/WIA%20letter%20to%20NAB%20re%20WS%20testing.pdf to NAB president David Rehr http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/01/17/wia_nab_white_space_spat/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 FCC License # PG-12-25133 Author of the Cisco Press Book - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] P2P Countermeasures
To All, The issue of P2P rears its relatively unattractivehead in my neck of the woods from time to time. This is one of those times. - So, what is everyone doing to'counter' the influx of traffic from P2P? - What are the most effective P2P countermeasures that you have employed, lately? - For those fo you that respond, I will put it all in a file and make it available to all, via Scriv. Heck who should approve the dumpingofthat info onto WISPA - Rick Harnish - I'll checkwith him. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Leaving the list
John, I want to ask you to reconsider, but I also know you are right in your criticism of some of our list members. Please do not stay away long, I for one, value your opinions and services. I shall miss you. And don't leave all the lists. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2007 08:47 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Leaving the list I have tried to share what I believe are good paths to proceed for WISPs and WISPA and mostly all I get back are rude comments and smug lashes at my character here. I have too many things going to be bothered with all the divisive rhetoric and sniping attitudes from many on this list server. I am leaving the list for a while. Someone can let me know when people settle down and decide they want to focus on unification instead of dividing the group. Good bye for now... Scriv ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers
Thanks John, for the knid words and the document. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 09:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers All is well Ron. You never step out of line here from my perspective. You are always welcome to ask for my help and I will always try to help. I decided the document was not so large as to clog up the list so I sent it to all members who are paid up. I sent it out on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list as opposed to the public list. I only share copies of the docs I use with paid members so if any of you want this and you are not paid up then you might want to go to http://signup.wispa.org and register for membership in the organization. I know Ron is paid up so he gets his copy of it. If any of you are a paid member and did not see the contract in your [EMAIL PROTECTED] list email then that means maybe your email address did not get subscribed to our members list. Let me know if that is the case. I think we have it up to date but it is easy for new members to join without getting subscribed sometimes without me catching it. If that is the case I am sorry. For the record, WISPA does not endorse or otherwise bless the use of any shared documents between members. Nor do I warranty or otherwise bless the use of the docs I share unless you take them to an attorney and make sure they will suit your needs fully. I am sharing these documents as is for reference purposes. If you use them as is then do not expect me to be liable if something goes awry. I am not an attorney and I am certainly not your legal counsel. Just keep that in mind when looking at shared documents as a source of legal support. All the best, Scriv Ron Wallace wrote: Fair Enough, if I could have a copy of this document, at your convenience, I would appreciate it very much. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I in no way meant for anyone to stop what they were doing and attend to me. I appreciate all you do for all of us John, if I sounded demanding I apologize. I shall be more careful in the future. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers I sent it to him already. It is a large enough file that I have no intentions of sending it to the list because the bandwidth consumption to send it to everyone is a waste. If anyone who is a paid WISPA member needs the document then feel free to request it from me directly. All the best, Scriv Rick Harnish wrote: Ron, Please be patient. John sent his secretary an email asking her to prepare the copy. He is out of touch for the next two days working on some important projects. I'm sure he will get it to you as quickly as he can. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Dori Crow' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me directly. Thanks, Scriv CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Scriv, On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract installers please. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will do the job for $75 to $100. Scriv Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers
Fair Enough, if I could have a copy of this document, at your convenience, I would appreciate it very much. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I in no way meant for anyone to stop what they were doing and attend to me. I appreciate all you do for all of us John, if I sounded demanding I apologize. I shall be more careful in the future. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2007 12:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers I sent it to him already. It is a large enough file that I have no intentions of sending it to the list because the bandwidth consumption to send it to everyone is a waste. If anyone who is a paid WISPA member needs the document then feel free to request it from me directly. All the best, Scriv Rick Harnish wrote: Ron, Please be patient. John sent his secretary an email asking her to prepare the copy. He is out of touch for the next two days working on some important projects. I'm sure he will get it to you as quickly as he can. Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Dori Crow' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me directly. Thanks, Scriv CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Scriv, On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract installers please. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will do the job for $75 to $100. Scriv Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers
Thanks Scriv, I'm looking. -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:10 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will do the job for $75 to $100. Scriv Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers
OK, i went to wispaweb site and could not find this-an electronic version of our contractor agreement - I know I'm thick, but could someone help me out here. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Dori Crow' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me directly. Thanks, Scriv CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Scriv, On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract installers please. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will do the job for $75 to $100. Scriv Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers
hey john how Do I access this document, Thanks Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2007 05:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: 'Dori Crow' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Will do. Dori, please send me an electronic version of our contractor agreement so I can share it with the WISPA members on our [EMAIL PROTECTED] list server. I will forward it once you email it to me directly. Thanks, Scriv CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Scriv, On the member list, would other members share their contract for contract installers please. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 2:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Contract Installers Find the guys in your area who do Dish and Direc TV installs. They will do the job for $75 to $100. Scriv Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Again I would lik to use some contract installers. Anyone know any? I spoke with an Indiana WISP last year, but can't find his e-mail. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors...
Check out Electro-Comm (800) 525-0173, Times EZ Connectors and a LMR400 Crimp tool. -Original Message- From: D. Ryan Spott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 3, 2007 12:23 AM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] Tools for making LMR400 N connectors... I am looking for tools to / kits for LMR400 N connectors. I was recently given a few hundred feet of LMR400 and I am always in need of short runs of cable here and there. What kits/tools do you use? Where can I get these tools/kits/parts? Why do you like the ones you have? ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ethereal/WireShark Scans
All, Anyone that is familiar,very familiar, with Ethereal Please contact me. I need some help. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP/Hosting friendly Billing software
Jeremy, Isthereany reason wecan't host our own web site on the Tigernet.bz DNS machine or the mail.tigernet.bz webmail server? And when doyou want to change the Mail Server IP? Ron Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router
Version 2.9.32- Travis - I don't know much about routers/MT. When you say Interface Stats do you mean looking at the Interface List? If so, it shows like 1/2 loaded, max. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:37 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router What version of MT? What do the interface stats show on the MT box when it's slow? Travis Ron Wallace wrote: Travis,YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that iswhen itsslow. -Original Message-From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT RouterHi,What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you by-pass the MT box, everything is fine?TravisMicroservRon Wallace wrote: To All,I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit.PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@tigernet.bz-- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router
To All, I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit. PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff!
Good for you, Marlon, have a great weekend. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 03:15 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Man I LOVE this wireless stuff! Here I am, sitting at a picnic bench basking in the cold mostly sunny day. Banging out emails on my laptop via my hot spot that sits in the middle of a cow pasture. http://maps.live.com/?vendor=googlepkw=satellite%20images|617523751 I'm just east of the big gravel pile. www.stumpjumpers.org Look up the desert 100. I'll bet I'm already looking at over 500 campers. Last year there were 2500 for the Saturday poker run and 650 for the iron man 100 mile Sunday race. There are people here because I have made the internet available. It's a great time and an amazing thing for the town. There will be roughly 6000 people just outside of our town of 900. Wish you guys were here! The kids are riding, I'm drinking rum and Coke. marlon -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router
Travis, YES, Ihave an ethernet switch on either side of the MT box. On the Inet side, 2.7 Mb/s, on the Wireless side, beforethe MT box whenit seems loaded, that iswhen itsslow. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 06:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slow Internet across MT Router Hi, What do you mean this only happens across the Mikrotik box? If you by-pass the MT box, everything is fine? Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: To All, I have had a good system. I have a 3 Mbps Bonded T1, 100 users. Right now when I run a speed test to Speakeasy, it starts at 2.6 or2.7 mbps and quickly windsdown to 15-20 kbps. This is only in the evening and from 7-9AM. I have a MikroTik in P3 900MHz, w/ 500Mb of ram. Thisonlyhappens across theMikroTik box. Any ideas, Mycustopmers are pissed. Some Are threatening to quit. PLEASE HELP, I'M A DUNCE. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Yes,Marlon, I read the FAQ. I stand by my Evalution of the information that the Gov wants. Its over the top, none of their business, and I am working to change some of the laws like the ignorance of the Patriot Act. Saudi Arabia, collects the same type of info, we are becoming more like them, thats what they have to do with anything here, Marlon. It is a comparision. You might think about that. Then again you might choose not to. You may disagree with all I have said here. I think Iwill take this off list, from here on. Thank you for your response, You are a good man. Ron -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:07 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant Ron, you've lost me. What has Saudi got to do with anything here? Also, there's nothing at all wrong with CALEA. Did you read the FAQ or anything else about it? They have to come to US for the data. They won't be putting anything on our networks etc. They want us to be the ones to pull the specific customer data that they are looking for. Lastly, if you think the laws/rules we play under are wrong. Then work to get them changed. There are a few I'm working against myself. In the mean time, one had best obey the rules or risk loosing one's business/customers etc. WISPA isn't saying that the law is good or bad at this point. We're doing what we can to help you to not break it! marlon - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:07 AM Subject: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant
Thanks Dawn, I don't have to like the infringement on our freedom of speech expression or my interpretation of it. -Original Message- From: Dawn DiPietro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2007 11:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] CALEA FAQ-rant Ron, I understand your concern but if you want to play in this game you have follow the same laws as everyone else. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Thanks to all that participated. I know you worked hard and used valuable time which could have been spent on your business. However, Am I the only person in WISPA who disapproves of this 'STUFF'. This is the way Saudi Arabia is run, and that's a total police state. I know, I spent three years there. Are we just supposed to just swallow whatever the Bureaucrats 'shovel' our way? Man, this scares the bejesus out of me. ARGGG! Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi
I'm with you Marlon. I support your position. However, if I am all the support you have you better use a cane. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2007 04:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi Sigh. First, the mission statement for WISPA, just so's we're all on the same page about motivations: Wireless Internet Service Providers Association is dedicated to promoting and improving the WISP industry. Second, if you don't like it, join us in our efforts at the regulatory level. Sitting out there whining and tossing FUD around does nothing but waste our time and keep you from doing installations so that you can get more than $100 in the bank. Third, WE don't REALLY know EXACTLY what WE have to do. That's part of what the FBI meeting is about. It's not about kowtowing to the FBI, DOJ, FCC etc. It's about making sure that WE can tell YOU what is going to keep your tit out of the ringer with those people. It's also about working with them to make sure that they don't expect things that are unreasonable or pass new regs that have no regard for the realities of our industry niche. Fourth, certainly I know I'm not speaking for all WISPs. I'm speaking for WISPA. YOU get to choose whether or not you wish to agree. You can always file a statement saying you don't agree and why. The FCC loves to hear from us. Last I knew the IEEE never asked for my opinion on a standard they put in place, but I use them all day every day anyhow. Fifth, if we come up with a standard that you don't like, don't use it. Duh. There is no requirement, no way to make a requirement, nor should there be, for WISPA to force you to follow us. Feel free to follow any organization, start a new one, whatever. Sixth, don't be an ass. We're putting in our own time and usually our own money to help make this entire industry better. I don't care to be insulted for the privilege of taking away from my customers and my family. Seventh, I don't disagree with that you've said. I also think that the seatbelt laws are so much BS. But I've paid enough tickets for not wearing one that I have given in and wear mine now. In the mean time, one of these days I'm gonna run for Congress and I'll work to restore individual rights and responsibility. Till then I'll do the best I can to vote for people that respect my ability to lead my own life and my own choices. I'll also follow their dumb a$$ed rules so that I don't go broke paying tickets or end up in jail over it. Eighth, some of the things that you say people don't have to do, the lawyers constantly say that we do. Sorry, but I'm gonna put my weight on their interpretations of the rules than yours. Take care, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: wispa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:35:29 -0800, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote Hi All, We have a meeting set up for the 22nd in Va. I have 4 people set to go to it at this time but I'd like a 5th. I'm after a network admin type. Anyone have the time and recourses available? Or if I missed your offer earlier, please let me know. I have to get info to the FBI ASAP so if you can send a network admin to this meeting (and possibly join our calea standards committee) please let me know. WISPA member companies will have first crack at this, but I'll conceder others as well. While you're there... or, perhaps on your way there, please consider the fact that you and whoever is meeting there are deciding how every other WISP will structure his network and what they will be forced to spend or do. You will...or will not... set a standard, and then the FCC and FBI will...or will not...accept it, and everyone who has filed that they will be compliant persuant standards discussions will be obligated to do what is laid out in the end. You're a pretty bright guy, Marlon, and I suspect it won't take very long to see what direction this will head. You will be playing with the fates of a lot of people who did not choose this in ANY way. I haven't filed, because I cannot say I can or cannot comply. However, if this costs more than $100 to implement (that's all I have in the bank at this moment), I will simply file stating I cannot and will not comply, period. If the FCC then desires to shut me down then, They will have to do so forcibly. I will simply write a letter to all my customers, local newspapers, and state simply that the FCC has decided to take over all internet communications in a few months, and that there's no room left
Re: [WISPA] Press Release: WISPA,Part-15.org concur on whitespace usage issues
Marlon Michael; Mozaltov, Cheers, this is great news, we should work togerther more, IMHO. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: David Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 09:55 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] Press Release: WISPA, Part-15.org concur on whitespace usage issues PHONE: (509) 982-2181 FAX: (509) 982-2238 1 DR. Park Road Suite H1 Mt. Vernon, Il. 62864 WISPA and Part-15.Org Concur on use of Whitespace Spectrum Washington, DC (March 1, 2007) One of the key issues concerning commercial wireless broadband providers is how the FCC will control the unused television channels' white space to unlicensed use for broadband and wireless innovation (FCC Docket 04-186). The Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, as well as Part-15.Org, both leading representatives of the industry, have joined forces in agreement to refute claims made by the television broadcast industry that unlicensed devices operating in unused TV channels would interfere with TV reception and other licensed uses of the TV band; and second, whether the TV white space spectrum should be exclusively licensed instead of unlicensed. Both industry representatives told the Federal Communication Commission that opening this spectrum to unlicensed use will help provide more affordable and ubiquitous broadband coverage, particularly in rural areas. It will also pave the way for improved home and enterprise networking, wireless device and service innovation Both Part-15.Org and WISPA explain in their comments to the FCC that licensing is both impractical and inadvisable in this band and argue that the interference-avoidance mechanisms proposed in the FCC's original 2004 rulemaking are sufficient-along with specific technical parameters to be developed by the FCC-to protect licensed TV band users. Marlon K. Schafer, FCC Committee chairperson for WISPA, said that he is pleased both groups are working together on this important issue. An unlicensed environment will encourage entrepreneurship, and this is especially important in rural areas where major providers are not willing to expend the needed capital for a relatively few subscribers. He also said the organizations want to make sure that incumbent, licensed users of the spectrum are not harmed by unlicensed use. We want to be good stewards of the environment. Schafer said that a May, 2006 Pew Report showed more than eight million wireless broadband subscribers were in place, with that number increasing daily. We believe at least twice that are waiting for service because we have technological and physical band limitations that this spectrum could help alleviate. There are vast areas of the nation where VHF and UHF analog television signals are not received and by reusing this essentially vacant spectrum, we can help bring high-speed broadband connectivity to these waiting homes, businesses, schools and governments on a cost-effective basis, he said. Michael R. Anderson, chairman of the License Exempt Wireless Internet Service Providers Organization, Part-15.ORG, said that continuing to do business as usual regarding spectrum utilization is not in the best interest of rural Americans. He said the FCC's recent approach to open additional spectrum to license exempt broadband providers exemplifies their docket to remove common barriers that have stifled the growth of broadband for over a decade. PART-15.ORG applauds the FCC for their bold initiatives in moving forward with opening up the 'white space' for full utilization for broadband, Anderson said. For more information please contact: Marlon K. Schafer FCC Committee Chairman Founding Board Member (509) 982-2181 (509) 988-0260 cell WISPA - Wireless Internet Service Providers Association is dedicated to promoting and improving the WISP industry. We welcome you to our web site and invite you to read about the association and its efforts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces dates! WOW
Hammers??? -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 02:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces dates! WOW H, We need to work on this. We want to oppose the personal portable devices at this time. We don't want to see a bunch of linksys type routers with 2 mile ranges Any ideas on how to go about it? marlon - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 8:25 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces dates! WOW Could this be true or am I dreaming? Pinch me please http://www.tvtechnology.com/pages/s.0014/t.2200.html Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 2:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings Precision Data Solutions, LLC 2007226668971 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Renner Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 3:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings NetsurfUSA filled - 2007223533293 - Don -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] tv whitespaces filings I filed: **2007223902414** Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Good grief guys, there are only 12 new filings in the last week or so!! Why, in the name of God, would the FCC give a rats behind about our industry if we can't be bothered to talk to them? Listen, the new rules get made according to the WRITTEN record! Our trips to the FCC are great and we both learn a lot, but when it comes time to make regulations they go to the paperwork that's been filed! EVERYONE here needs to file personally. Here's my confirmation :'2007223682035 Just go to this link: http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi Put 04-186 in the top left box and follow the instructions to voice your opinions on what the FCC should do with the soon to be opened up tv bands! All you have to do is till them to make the bands unlicensed, no auctions, no registration etc. Say more if you want, but we really need to drive home the unlicensed idea. Get off your hind ends guys! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Yes, What Butch said. Happy Birthday Scriv. -Original Message- From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 12:52 PM To: 'Wispa List' Subject: [WISPA] HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Today is Scriv's birthday! I'll let him tell his age (if he wants), but I'd like to extend my warmest greetings to him and best wishes for a happy birthday. Thank you for your tireless efforts to enhance our industry. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
And the MW Filter notch for 928-930 is only $156 + shipping. -Original Message- From: Jack Unger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 01:50 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Thanks, Jack. Would installing this one http://www.ubnt.com/cf.php4 be the correct move? Or is something else preferred. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Brian, A -36 dBm signal probably won't destroy your receiver or permanently desensitize it however your best bet is to get confirmation from a Motorola rep. The signals you see at 928-930 MHz are from one or more paging transmitters. These paging signals could easily desensitize your AP receivers temporarily and cause a temporary inability to hear incoming SM signals. Since you appear to be using antennas that are external to your APs, you can insert a bandpass filter between each AP and its antenna. This will attenuate the paging signals and allow the APs to receive SM's from further away. If the paging transmitters ARE the cause of your apparent AP receiver sensitivity deterioration, then the bandpass filters should be helpful in reducing the frequency of occurance of the problem. jack Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How would that help? One sector is still pointing at the interference...Wouldn't that sector still make the radio fail, if the -36 signal is what is doing it? My question from the original post. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? If not, then I need to figure out what kills my radios. Why do they work fine for a month and then die? I replace just the radio and they are fine for a while. Brian Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: If you are that close to a source of interference you need to ditch the omnis and sectorize our tower. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 7:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 I keep losing canopy 900 APs. I used the spectrum analyzer yesterday and saw -36 signal on channels 928, 929, and 930. Will that strong signal desensitize the radio into failure? because for some reason SMs that used to be -65 are -80 (on both sides of the like) and 17 out of 33 associations have dropped off the AP. I've been fighting this for a year. I've installed my own grounding, a lighting dissipater, 6 new APs, 2 new omnis, and 3 new cables. I think I have ruled out anything that could be killing this AP except if something RF is killing it. Any input will help. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
Brian, That device is designed to allow operation across the full 902-928 spectrum, with the notch specifically at 928 to knock-out the pagers. From my MW xmit days we used MW Filters almost exclusively, well known in the Common Carrier ind. The guy that started the company went to Michigan, was building filters in his garage as a grad student in Ann Arbor. For whatever thats worth. Ron -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 04:18 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 yes, but I'm still unclear about what center frequency I could use with it. Thw spec sheet didn't clear it up. I'll have to try to call them back. Brian Jack Unger wrote: Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900
The engineer I spoke w/ at MW Filter claims they achieve a very 'steep' skirt at 928 with the notch filter and, therefore, eliminate the paging interference and still allow the use of the 920-928 spectrum. I think we would not know until its implemented in the field, on the tower, I am going to use 920-928, 60 miles north of a paging system located in Defiance, Ohio. I have not seen the problems Brian has at 915 MHz Center freq on a Canopy w/ PacWireless 9db Hpol Omni, atop a 300' tower. If I try the MW Filter device I will report my experience to the more knowledgeable among us on the WISPA list. Such as Mssrs DeReggi Unger. And, of course Mr. Rohrbacher. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Tom DeReggi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 06:16 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 RFlinx's arguement was that a bandpass filter to allow the use of the top channel closest to 930, was pointless because the paging gear would kill it anyway. So they decided on a design that would sacrifice the top channel in favor of a filter that would not degrade the receive strength of the desired signal, and maximize the attenuation of the undesired interference. In theory, I have a lot of respect for their approach. However, I sure like the $164 price of the filter that you found. The question is whether the sacrificed anything in the design, or if they are jsut willing to sell it cheaper. For example, as 3 pole design is cheaper but less capable than a 4,5,8 pole design. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] failing Canopy 900 Thank you, Brian. The price is certainly right on that filter. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Sharing the info I am Hello, Brian Thank you for your interest in Microwave Filter Company. The filter that you inquired about is the: Notch Filter MFC P/N 15345 $164.00 unit cost plus shipping Shipment 1 week after receipt of order Attached is the specification drawing of the filter that you requested. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me direct. Regards, Bob Haytko Customer Relations Microwave Filter Co., Inc. Tel: 315-438-4725 (direct) Fax: 315-463-1467 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Jack Unger wrote: Brian, Bandpass filters come in different band widths. Some are full-band filters that pass 902-928 MHz and some are single-channel filters that are narrower and pass only one channel. The bandwidth of the two Ubiquity filters are a little narrow to use across the entire band but if you are using 912 or 917 as center frequencies, they should work well. If you're using a lower center frequency, you'll need a filter that has a bit wider bandwidth but which still attenuates the paging frequencies a lot. The availability of good whole-band bandpass filters seems to have deteriorated a bit in the last year. There are more filters available but they seem to have poorer characteristics and sometimes higher prices. I just looked at RFLinx and Hyperlinktech and I am not happy with their current offerings. I did discover a notch filter that is tuned to attenuate the paging frequencies while passing the 902-928 frequencies. I don't know the pricing but if it's priced reasonably then it looks like your best bet. Here's the link: http://www.microwavefilter.com/2ghzRelocation.htm#ism It's the filter at the bottom of the page. If you call them to get a spec sheet and to check pricing, please share that info. Thanks, jack No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/693 - Release Date: 2/19/2007 5:01 PM -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the License-Free Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs True Vendor-Neutral WISP Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting Newsletters Downloadable from http://ask-wi.com/newsletters.html Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives
Re: [WISPA] Time off from WISPA
John, Sorry for your families loss, Take the time off, you have dedicated so much to WISPA and our needs. See you in March. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 12:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List', [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Time off from WISPA Guys I am taking a vacation from WISPA for a while. I am scheduled to speak in D.C. before New America's caucus at the Senate Office Building before Commerce Committee on this Thursday to lobby for unlicensed access to TV channel spectrum. My Mother-in-law just died unexpectedly about 3 hours ago. I am moving my entire office and NOC over the next 3 days (so far only moved the core router and a couple of extraneous switches, bandwidth appliance, etc.) We still have a mountain of work to complete to have the office moved and completely online on by Feb. 26th which will be the first day at our new office location (and happens to be my birthday). I am now in the process of planning a family funeral and expecting family and such in while I am doing all the rest. I will not be sending anything to this group except possibly requests for support to TV channel space comments and such until Feb 27. I will not be handling any WISPA related business until that time. If anyone has issues that need resolved regarding WISPA billing then email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For email system administration technical support please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For web site issues email [EMAIL PROTECTED] For list issues please email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To direct issues to the board you can email a form with your request via the link at http://www.wispa.org. I think I may extend this vacation from WISPA to be as long as March 1. I will not be logging into this email account until then and prefer to be left alone until after that time. I will be unsubscribing from the WISPA lists until my return. I will trust all of you to bring me up to speed on any issues requiring my direct involvement once I return to these lists in March. Kindest regards, John Scrivner President WISPA -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Routers
Shannon, Who elsefor example offers a lifetime warranty? Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: KyWiFi LLC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2007 11:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers Yes, I'm serious. Lots of companies offer a lifetime warranty. If they have a good product, they should stand behind it. If their product is junk, then... Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === Yes, we are beta testing ISP Buddy! http://www.ispbuddy.com === - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers Hi, Are you serious? You honestly expect a company to honor a warranty for a lifetime, especially on a $30 item? How do you expect them to stay in business? Travis Microserv KyWiFi LLC wrote: We use the Belkin F5D7230-4 wireless router exclusively and I'm proud to report that both us and our subscribers have been VERY pleased with them. We do, however, see a failure rate with them of around 8% - 10% BUT, they have been good about replacing them in a timely manner and have always honored their lifetime warranty. We buy them for $30 - $40 and retail them for $100. Here's a link: http://www.buy.com/prod/Belkin_F5D7230_4_Wireless_G_Router/q/loc/101/201978542.html I'm on a mission right now to align our company with manufacturers, vendors, etc. who offer and honor a lifetime warranty. If someone is only willing to stand behind their product for a year or two, you should question that, I know I do. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === Yes, we are beta testing ISP Buddy! http://www.ispbuddy.com === - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Routers Nothing. We have to deal with low quality in a commodity world. However another way to approach it might be, who has the best RMA policy. Linksys's RMA policy is non-existent, and a provider needs to be prepared to eat any failures. That comment is based on, the many hoops linksys makes you go through before allowing a return, which cost way more to do than the cost to buy a new router. This is the BIG reason, that we have converted 50% of all new installs to NON-Linksys routers. Linksys makes my favorite, Home Router OS, but I can;t stomach giving all my money to those that don't honor their warrantees. Belkin on the other hand has been fabulaous. No questions asked, jsut send it back, and get a new one in a few days. Belkin also has a nice Default portal page you can see before logining in to see private info. Belkin comes with a bundled Content Control trial. Belkon can opperate as an AP (Bridge) or Nat Router, and I think also WDS. The only reason we don't use Belkin for all our installs is that Linksys is what our local distributor carries, and because Belkin had some PPPOE bugs, which prevented it from Auto-reconnecting after a disconnect, unless you reboot it. So we still use Linksys for PPPOE clients. However that PPOE bug was identified over a year ago, maybe its been fixed by now? The Belkin has a higher price tag unfortuneately, but it is a N router, and I prefer to support the vendors that honor their warrantees. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 5:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Routers Hey guys, I hope some of you can enlighten me on what is the best line of router out there for home and small business. We have used linksys and netgear and their broadband routers have not held up very well. Anyone have any ideas as to what they are using and what works best? I am tired of replacing these things and explaining to the customer their lack of quality. Your feedback is very welcome. Ross Cornett VP 217 342 6201 ex 7 HofNet Communications, Inc. www.HofNet-Communications.com HofNet-Communications.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Scrivner's story
Absolutely, Good for you, Scriv, And as far as I can tell somewhat understated. Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: Brian Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 10:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Scrivner's story Nice article, congratulations on the positive press Scriv! Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: Peter R. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Scrivner's story *A WISP with Vision * http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2007/mt.vernon.net.html* Gerry Blackwell* http://www.isp-planet.com/equipment/2006/barracuda_load_balancer.html* * http://www.isp-planet.com/news/2006/wsta_hot_technologies.html [January 5, 2007] He has navigated federal, state, and local bureaucracies, runs an ISP association, and has built a WISP that's always a step ahead of the industry. http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/business/2007/mt.vernon.net.html -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] capstan
Thanks Rick. -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 1, 2007 09:47 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan That particular winch was approximately $1800 new. Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Wallace Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] capstan Than ks Rick, What is the approx. cost? I have seen a couple that tower guys put together, but had trouble finding the parts. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 05:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan Chris, I bought a 120v model this summer. We love it. http://www.myte.com/products_utility.html http://www.myte.com/distributors.asp?State=oh Happy New Years! Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] capstan Im looking for a reese hitch mount 12v capstan. Anybody have any pointers to a good one? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] capstan
Than ks Rick, What is the approx. cost? I have seen a couple that tower guys put together, but had trouble finding the parts. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Harnish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 05:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] capstan Chris, I bought a 120v model this summer. We love it. http://www.myte.com/products_utility.html http://www.myte.com/distributors.asp?State=oh Happy New Years! Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 4:36 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] capstan Im looking for a reese hitch mount 12v capstan. Anybody have any pointers to a good one? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5
Yes, I can confirm Scrivs point. I have a 300' cat5 25 Pr and it is punched down on a 12 port RJ45 Block, standard Cat5e terminal. It has worked well, thou I am not using today. No good reason, just wanted to have fewer connectors. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 02:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 If you need 100 megabit Cat 5 performance then it is best to terminate on 110 blocks instead of 66 blocks. That is what I was always told in the past. I have no proof other than what others told me. Can anyone else confirm or deny? Scriv Brad Belton wrote: Yep, standard 25pr 66 blocks mounted inside NEMA4 enclosures. Works well. I've attached a snapshot. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: RE: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Punch blocks, enclosures? What did you do for that? Brian Yep, works nicely. We've run several hubs with 25pr CAT5 outdoor cable. Gobs and gobs of goo inside...have a few hand rags ready! I believe the cable brand is Mohawk. Good stuff. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 1:48 PM To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization Subject: [WISPA] 25 pr Outdoor cat5 Does anyone use, have thoughts about, or know where to get 25 pr outdoor cat5? I am curious if using it on a tower could save in future deployments. You'd have it punched in a block at the top and bottom and would only have run jumpers for new radios. Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.19/587 - Release Date: 12/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] spectrum analyzer
Blair, Check this out, www.torontosurplus.com, Techtronics 491 SA, $995.00, back in the day it was the best on the market Ron Wallace -Original Message- From: Blair Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 02:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] spectrum analyzer Well, I know we have been round and round this subject before, but, I am finally ready to buy a spectrum analyzer What I want Coverage of 900MHz, 2.3-2.5GHz, and 5-6GHz Absolute power readings... I don't really care what the range on the power readings is as I can adjust the level as needed with attenuators But, I wish to do repeatable testing and comparison of radio cards and pigtails with the unit... Portable I don't need, (but would not object), to a hand held unit, but a big rack mount won't do me much good Reasonable price 1K$ or so. Referb or recon is fine I'd consider used from someone well known on wispa Ext. antenna input Ideas? Suggestions? I remember some talking about hand-held units on here before. Any body ever get one and use it? Thanks -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] bare conduits
Yes Mrlon, Pulling cable in NoCAL, we made a 'y' for the compressor, Air in one side sponge-on-line in the straight side. Gave it to the guys, one was a careful guy. A little while later I pulled up to the site and the guys were all laughing, watch this ron!, they set it up for a 300' 'blow' and opened the air valve. That sponge flew about 30' in the air. Can be very dangerous,thou. -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 1, 2006 07:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] bare conduits Used to do this all the time when I was a linesman. The easiest and safest way to do this is to use a vacuum on one end. Tie a parachute or streamer to a string and put that in the pipe while someone's sucking on the other end. Make sure you hold the twine with a screwdriver and not your fingers cause it'll usually go pretty fast. Now, if that won't work, this will. Same thing on the string part but use a jackhammer type air compressor. You'll put your parachute/streamer in the conduit, then wrap a rag around an air hose. Put that assembly into the pipe but make sure that it's not binding where the string goes in. Then have someone else hold the string and yet another run the air compressor. Be VERY careful with this method. Things (sometimes very nasty things) come flying out the other end at a VERY high rate of speed. I learned the hard way that you don't want to be the guy standing in the manhole when things start moving. Have fun, be super careful. marlon - Original Message - From: chris cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, December 01, 2006 9:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] bare conduits Im looking at a project that requires connectivity between multiple buildings on the same campus. There are 4 conduits connecting each facility. The conduits are bare, Id like to run fiber in them, and there are no pull cords in them. Some are several hundred yards long. Ive heard that you can blow a cable through a conduit. Can anyone enlighten me on equipment/technique for this application? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 900 mhz gear F/S
Rick, I suppose those are all gone by now. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 mhz gear F/S Hey guys / gals, in my attempt to offload some of my spare equipment, I've got a few Canopy 900 Advantage CPEs and APs laying around that are barely used. I'll let the APs go for $1,250 each, and the SMs for $250 each. We'll add shipping later, and they're all connectorized with standard Mot P/S. I can get 'em out this week. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Thanks Brian -Original Message- From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 09:41 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I'm pasting Gino's link to the right thread. Then I can search me email in a year and find the correct thread Connectors: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=263-110 Batteries: http://www.donrowe.com/batteries/8a31dt.html Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Can we get some links to these batteries that work well? Gino, Got a link to the DC block connectors you were talking about? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We run two 4 gauge power wires out the front of the case, connect the positive to a 60A fuse, and then to the batteries. We are using AGM type (same thing used in UPS systems) big batteries (a little bigger than a car battery, but each battery is 110 pounds). We wire them in series (to get 24VDC). This setup has only been installed for 12-18 months at various locations, so I don't have an estimate on battery life. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: You got any pics of this or similar Travisanyone? Travis, What APC do you use and what batteries are added? What do you draw and what is th run time? Do you know how many times the one with the most cycles has been drawn down? How long do the batteries last? Brian Travis Johnson wrote: You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv
Welcome Travis, I know I can learn a lot from your comments. -Original Message- From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 11:18 PM To: wireless@wispa.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] New Principle Member of WISPA - Travis Johnson and Microserv We have seen quite a bit of interest in new membership in WISPA lately. I am proud to announce that Travis Johnson has added his name to the list of WISP operators who have joined WISPA. Travis has a very successful operation and I am sure his involvement in WISPA will be valuable to us and to him as well. Please join me in welcoming Travis Johnson and his WISP Microserv. Here is a little background on Travis and Microserv: Microserv started as a dial-up ISP in 1994. We began providing wireless service in 1997, DSL service in 2001 and fiber-optic service in 2003. We currently provide fixed wireless service covering 25,000 square miles of southeastern Idaho and have over 3,000 current wireless subscribers. Our entire backbone is wireless with links from 5 miles to 73 miles and using 5.3ghz to 38ghz. I designed and installed the entire infrastructure (over 60 operating repeater locations) and continue to service and support them while also running the day to day operations of a company with 25 employees. We are growing at a rate of 60+ wireless customers per month and continue to add new services and features for our existing customers. I am excited to be a member of WISPA and hope to help the organization grow and benefit the industry. Thanks, Travis Johnson, President Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Travis, What is the Manuf, Model of these gel cels, and where do you get them. additionally, is this a simple setup, just tie them in to the existing UPS. I have a Minuteman online 2000VA, only 2 batteries and they are small. Can I set these Batts in the Equip Bldg in a pan and let them exist w/ active equip? I'm in Michigan and it gets fairly cold in Winter. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS We tried the $65 deep cycle marine batteries from Walmart. They worked OK, but the best batteries we have found so far are the gel deep cycle that are used in very large UPS systems. They weigh 110 pounds each and are rated at 120 amp/hour and they do that for sure. We actually have a site out of power right now that has been running on two of those batteries for 14+ hours so far and still shows another 8 hours remaining. This is with three wireless radios, an HP 24 port switch and a power rebooter all running off it. :) Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: Ah-hah! I'll give this a try. Unfortunately the batteries I want to use are $200 each. ;) Got a recommendation on batteries that will last with constantly being charged by the UPS? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS You can't use just 1 battery. The APC units want to see 24vdc, so you need two batteries running in series. It works perfectly, as I have 20+ remote locations running off two gel type batteries. Make sure you install some type of a fuse on the positive side of the connection. Travis Microserv Mark Nash - Lists wrote: I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS
Thanks Travis, Brian, Mark Gino - this thread answers the questions I had about adding batteries to the UPS's. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 01:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS Hi, Buy the sealed AGM style batteries (same style used in UPS systems). They don't have any vents and are completely sealed... and even if the case breaks, nothing leaks out of them. They are more money, but well worth it. Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: How big of a room would be needed for having regular batteries? I don't need an explosion. My NOC is an 8x8 storage shed which is pretty well air tight. How dangerous is a couple of regular deep cells in there? Brian Gino A. Villarini wrote: Did you check the voltage on the battery bank that came with the APC unit? I do know that the APC 750 Smart UPS have a Battery bank of 24 vdc, so if this is the case of your unit, you'll need 2 batts in series Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] External battery on UPS APC SUNET700. 1 battery. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:20 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] External battery on UPS What apc model ? how many batts are you using ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 12:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] External battery on UPS I believe I remember some discussion on this list on connecting an external battery to an APC UPS. I'm in the middle of doing it right now and am having problems. The UPS just beep continuously with the 'bad battery' light on. I'm using a Lifeline deep cycle battery. Any ideas? Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Looking for a few good Installers
Sorry for the mis label -Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2006 04:30 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] HighGainAntennas Tigernet Wireless internet Service in Hudson, Michigan 49247 is looking for good, 'qualified', motivated Installers. We will paywell for good installers. Located 55 Miles WNW of toledo, Ohio; 75 Miles NE of Fort Wayne, IN; 60 miles South of Lansing MI. Please contact off list. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I am looking for a few good Installers
To All, Tigernet Wireless internet Service in Hudson, Michigan 49247 is looking for good, 'qualified', motivated, Contract Installers. We will paywell for good installers. Located 55 Miles WNW of toledo, Ohio; 75 Miles NE of Fort Wayne, IN; 60 miles South of Lansing MI. Please contact off list.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
OK, sounds right to me, I supportMarlons statement.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 01:18 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Cc: 'Jim Snider'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS I watched it too. Very nicely done. I'm not sure that I like the fact that there were no telcos there. I've got mixed emotions about this one. On the one hand, I don't like government over regulation. It's true that there isn't a problem today. It's also true that the telcos aren't to be trusted. I think I lean more to letting the market take care of it's self till we KNOW of a problem or an impending one. Someone else really needs to take the lead on this though. I fail to see any concrete reasons to be all worked up about anything other than the idea that all should be able to buy anything they can afford. The argument that some will have faster pipes than others rings hollow to me because the internet is already like that. The more you pay, the faster you can go. Gee, what a concept. Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS Thanks John, I watched the program. Very good, How are we working toward this goal? And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex Huppenthal wrote: John, Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.Cheers, -Alex Begin forwarded message: From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT To: "Alex Huppenthal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Alex, Tonight at 9:Watch "The Net at Risk" On the Web:Join the Debate at PBS.org Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning journalist Bill Moyers. Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at PBS.org. Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local listings). Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike McCurry. You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in: When: Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: http://www.pbs.org/moyers You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save Net Neutrality. It's important to have you there. In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress and the phone companies on notice. Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue. They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition. Please join us tonight! Timothy KarrCampaign DirectorFree Press and SavetheInternet.comwww.savetheinternet.com 1. For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com 2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an Imperial Internet" Visit the web address below to tell your friends about this.Tell-a-friend! If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for Free Press. This message was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Visit your subscription management page to modify your email communication preferences or update your personal profile. To stop receiving E-Activist Network, click to unsubscribe. To stop ALL email from Free Press, click to remove yourself from our lists (or reply via
Re: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS
Thanks John, I watched the program. Very good, How are we working toward this goal? And Marlon, what should I be doing to help?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 06:01 PMTo: 'Alex Huppenthal'Cc: wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] Re: Fwd: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBSHello Alex. I am sorry you have had trouble posting to our list. Please send the error you receive when you try to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will get it fixed. I am copying the list with your information. Sincerely,John ScrivnerAlex Huppenthal wrote: John, Since I my posts to the general list never make it, perhaps you'd like to post this. An important event. Hope all is well with you.Cheers, -Alex Begin forwarded message: From: "Timothy Karr, FreePress.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: October 18, 2006 6:22:57 PM PDT To: "Alex Huppenthal" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tonight: Join SavetheInternet.com on PBS Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Alex, Tonight at 9:Watch "The Net at Risk" On the Web:Join the Debate at PBS.org Tune in to PBS tonight to see the SavetheInternet.comCoalition featured in "The Net at Risk," a documentary produced by award-winning journalist Bill Moyers. Then join other SavetheInternet.com members in an online Web discussion at PBS.org. Bill Moyers' show airs at 9 p.m. in most cities (check local listings). Immediately following the East Coast broadcast, PBS.org will host a live Internet debate between Free Press Policy Director Ben Scott and phone industry flack Mike McCurry. You can be a part of this online debate. Here's how to join in: When: Oct. 18, 10:30 pm Eastern / 7:30 pm PacificWhere: http://www.pbs.org/moyers You'll be asked to log in to participate in the online discussion. With your help, we hope to light up the PBS Web site with our campaign to save Net Neutrality. It's important to have you there. In the six months since the SavetheInternet.com Coalition was launched, millions of Americans have joined the campaign, spoken out for Internet freedom, and put Congress and the phone companies on notice. Tonight's program could make millions more aware of this issue. They need to hear the real voices of people like you instead of industry mouthpieces. Help us use the Internet to save it from corporate efforts to stifle online innovation, free speech and competition. Please join us tonight! Timothy KarrCampaign DirectorFree Press and SavetheInternet.comwww.savetheinternet.com 1. For the latest information on the campaign visit www.SavetheInternet.com 2. Don't miss Bill Moyers' new essay on Net Neutrality: "Against an Imperial Internet" Visit the web address below to tell your friends about this.Tell-a-friend! If you received this message from a friend, you can sign up for Free Press. This message was sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Visit your subscription management page to modify your email communication preferences or update your personal profile. To stop receiving E-Activist Network, click to unsubscribe. To stop ALL email from Free Press, click to remove yourself from our lists (or reply via email with "remove or unsubscribe" in the subject line). -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] per user bit tracking
Thank You for the info Butch. I looked at that site, very interesting. Thanks again.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Butch Evans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 06:53 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] per user bit trackingOn Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Ron Wallace wrote:How does this work?? Is this the monitor that Butch Evens had mentioned a couple of weeks ago? Or is this a radius implementation?This is a program called IPTrack. IPTrack collects netflow data from the Mikrotiks and compiles it in a database. The website that Marlon pointed to is the user interface for IPTrack.Where could I get some info on your system?http://dev.webpipe.net/iptrack/Marlon's copy has been customized somewhat by the author of the IPTrack software, Brandon Checketts.-- Butch EvansNetwork Engineering and Security Consulting573-276-2879http://www.butchevans.com/Mikrotik Certified Consultant(http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html)-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] per user bit tracking
Hey Marlon; How does this work?? Is this the monitor that Butch Evens had mentioned a couple of weeks ago? Or is this a radius implementation? Where could I get some info on your system? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 11:37 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Cc: isp-wireless@isp-wireless.comSubject: [WISPA] per user bit trackingWe've gotten this mostly fleshed out.http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrackWe've always had a 1 gb per month limit on our customers.We have less than a month of data collected so far. For half of the customers we have only a few days.http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack/topusers.php?month=9year=2006Looks like I'll have to raise the levels up a bit. I'll see if I can get an average reading down with the total.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)
Charles, I know this is a duh question, but what is an ACSP?? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 12:27 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)As one of Canopy's largest ACSPs in the US, I know all the people at CanopyWe have been talking about WISPA -- and are putting something together for asponsorshipStay tuned...-Charles---Operating Manager - CTII'm back...WiNOG Wireless RoadshowsComing to a City Near Youhttp://www.winog.com -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Mike Bushard, JrSent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:37 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: RE: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)I have a few phone numbers. The tech support has gotten better, but I onlycall them with Prizm/BAM problems.I really don't know that they have a "Patrick" but the area rep is helpful.He has always gotten me to the right person.Mike Rosedale Cell 847.722.1047Mike Bushard, JrWisper Wireless Solutions, LLC-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:20 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: Motorola membership (Re: [WISPA] vendor specs -- Jon)Partial hijack here. On a related subject, is there anyone at Motorola that is "really good with WISPs". Someone who I can call and talk to as a Canopy user. Not a script reader. I admit I have never called them. I rely on vendors, and other WISPs for all Canopy related info and support. Moto is so big, I'm scared that I'd get the "hold music" for an hour and them some dude that I can't understand..Ok..what I want to know is what moto # do I call to talk to their "Patrick Leary". :) *Patrick suddenly feels warm and fuzzy inside...* So I guess this isn't too much of a hijack. :) How do we contact their "Patrick". After we know that we can talk to him about joining.BrianDylan Oliver wrote: On 9/28/06, *Rick Harnish* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we can get Motorola to become a WISPA vendor member, we will gladly start a list here without those restrictions. How has Motorola been approached? Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 bln
Congratulations Scriv, I know you will show us the way.-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 12:20 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnThe band is 2110 to 2120 MHz and 1710 to 1720 MHz. (20 MHz of spectrum) There are some other hurdles yet to jump. You would think buying it would be enough but it is far from usable yet. I'll let you know as we get closer to the launch of licensed broadband services here.ScrivMac Dearman wrote:CONGRATS Scriv! I don't think that you will be guilty of just "squatting" on such lovely frequency eh?Did you get 700MHz in the AWS-1?I wish I had some too :-( Mac -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of John ScrivnerSent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 9:35 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnWe won an AWS license in our area!:-)ScrivDawn DiPietro wrote: FCC wireless auction raises almost $13.9 blnLast Update: 5:13 PM ET Sep 18, 2006(Adds quote in third paragraph and details about Verizon in sixth and seventh paragraphs.)WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Communications Commission on Monday wrapped up an auction of licenses to provide new wireless services, generating almost $13.9 billion in gross proceeds and handing T-Mobile USA Inc. the capacity it needs to compete with larger rivals.T-Mobile, a unit of Deutsche Telekom AG (DT), was the top bidder, bidding almost $4.2 billion for 120 licenses. Verizon Wireless agreed to pay $2.8 billion for 13 licenses. A consortium that includes cable giants Comcast Corp. (CMCSA, CMCSK) and Time Warner Inc. (TWX), along with Sprint Nextel Corp. (S), agreed to pay almost $2.4 billion for 137 licenses. As a result of their aggressive early moves, many potential new players were squeezed out of the game before it got going."The dream of new entrants that would shake up the market died," said Roger Entner, an analyst for technology research firm Ovum. "The usual suspects have won."The last time an FCC auction drew more bidding was in 2001, when regulators reauctioned some licenses they had repossessed from NextWave Telecom Inc. But in 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the FCC had improperly reclaimed the licenses, returning control to NextWave and invalidating the auction.This time, T-Mobile had the most at stake. Although it is the fourth-largest U.S. wireless carrier, it has lacked the capacity to upgrade its network to run third-generation, or 3-G services. The new licenses will put T-Mobile in a more competitive position.Verizon Wireless, meanwhile, will likely sit on its spectrum. The No. 2 wireless carrier, a joint venture between Verizon Communications (VZ) and Vodafone Group Plc (VOD), has a next-generation network called Evolution-Data Optimized, or EV-DO. It doesn't need to use the new spectrum for that network. Verizon Wireless is seen using the spectrum for wireless technology that is further down the line, although it's unclear what that technology may be.A spokesman for Verizon Wireless wasn't immediately available for comment.Smaller carriers were able to expand their coverage from select cities to a much larger area. For example, Leap Wireless International Inc. (LEAP), a smaller, regional company, won 99 licenses, bidding $710 million for airwaves covering cities including Washington D.C., Philadelphia, Baltimore, and St. Louis."Leap's push to acquire more spectrum in new high-growth market clusters located in urban and suburban areas such as Baltimore, Washington, D.C., and Philadelphia will help it withstand the continuous competitive pressure from larger... competitors such as Sprint-Nextel and Verizon," Jessica Zufolo, an analyst at research firm Medley Advisors, wrote in a note to clients.The U.S. Treasury will receive just $13.7 billion from its latest auction because of rules that permit small companies to earn discounts of as much as 25%.http://tinyurl.com/j77nv-- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT FYI: Change in position
Welcome back Patrick, we will all benefit from your increased participation in our industry.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 06:17 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] OT FYI: Change in positionHaving received John Scrivner's specific approval, I offer the followingnote:Dear WISPA members,I wanted to drop you folks a note that Alvarion has challenged me to getback to my roots, so to speak. I have asked to personally lead a renewedfocus on the WISP markets. Going forward, my energies will be full timededicated to this activity -- to you and your needs as operators and asan industry. Over the past few years managing our North Americanmarketing team, I realized how much I missed daily interaction withWISPs, especially meeting and getting to know you on your turf. The newrole has some wide accountability and will also allow me to again be anactive advocate for WISPs with the press, thought leaders and officials.As part of this, we will be enacting some innovative new ideas thatamong other interesting and useful benefits to help your WISPoperations, should have direct business model benefits for small WISPs.Details will come a bit later.I will put my 8 years worth of contacts to work and know that I lookforward to building on my existing relationships with many of you, aswell as making lots of new friends.Finally, please feel free to e-mail me directly with ideas about how Ican help, constructive criticism, etc. regardless of whether or not youare an Alvarion-based operator. Sincerely,Patrick LearyAVP WISP MarketsAlvarion, Inc.o: 650.314.2628c: 760.580.0080Vonage: 650.641.1243 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned byPineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deployment
To All, This is another excellent comment from our President, thanks John. We can all use this information.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2006 06:36 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] wireless fiber deploymentLicensed 70 to 80 GHz actually has less oxygen absorption of the signal than 60 GHz (by several orders of magnitude). If you are providing a Service Level Agreement with 5 - 9's or better % uptime then you should stick with a licensed product IMO. As Matt states below, both companies offer a licensed product. Depending on the rainfall annually where you are deploying you may get nearly the same uptime in 60 GHz, especially since it is just 0.4 miles. I would research before making a choice though if uptime requirements are strict.Remember to make sure you research your connection into the network also. Your point of demarcation will need to be identified. In many cases it is a port from the switch that you would provide. Make sure you select a switch compatible with the radio product you launch. If they provide the switch demarc point then make sure it is on the list of tested and known good hardware for connecting to the link you setup.Before quoting the product make sure you remember things like back-up power, downlead selection, surge and lightning suppression, stand-by spare radios for replacement, etc. Ask to see the software management interfaces for the radios being considered. If you buy radios that work but you cannot diagnose what is wrong when they break then you have a problem. It is not like you will have a 60 to 90 GHz signal meter or spectrum analyzer anytime soon so the software management interface is very important. If you do not address these things now then you will be sorry later.If I were you I would at least get a quote or two from fiber construction companies to see if a fiber could be built for same or less money. Depending on the location this might be the more efficient solution.That is the biggest beef I have with the millimeter-wave crowd right now. They try to think in terms of how much money they can squeeze out for each single link sale instead of looking at the mass potential if we could all get our hands on low-cost Gigabit backhaul to all of our towers. Ken and I have been beating this into their brains now for a couple of years. It will sink in someday when they think it is their idea. :-) jkScrivMatt Liotta wrote: We deploy BrideWave gear and have been happy with it. BridgeWave also has a licensed radio operating in the 80Ghz range. -Matt Mario Pommier wrote: This is a new area of wireless deployment for me: I've been asked to quote for a gigabit wireless link between a radiology department and a nearby hospital (0.4 miles). I'm aware of two options so far, and here's some info I've gathered: -- BridgeWave - 60Ghz; unlicensed; $25,000 complete link; ~$6,000 5-year hardware warranty; 1Gbps -- GigaBeam - 70/80Ghz; licensed; $37,000 complete link (includes $1,000 10-year license); $0.00 5-year hardware warranty; 2.7Gbps release by Dec. 2006. I know Bob Moldashel said he has installed the Bridgewave. Anyone care to comment on any experience you've had with these companies? Thanks a lot. Mario-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WHY?
As usual, Scriv has defined this well. I always want to tell BB to take a long walk on a short dock. However, This is an important issue, public addresses, private uses. Well said Scriv.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 07:02 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY?Sam Tetherow wrote: Given what the article cites I don't see it being a severe burden on a small ISP. All that I see mentioned in the article is the ability to track what IP belongs to what customer over a period of time. If you can't track that on your network, how do you manage to troubleshoot problems or deal with security concerns such as a virus/trojan or other inappropriate/malicious behavior on your network?I think most people here track who has what address. Otherwise how could you possibly run your network? What they likely do not do is keep logs of who had what address three years ago. Or when IP address "A" changed to IP address "B" for customer "1" or "2". Without that legacy data the IP information provided could be inaccurate. In fact the only way it could be 100% accurate is if the request was in real time - ie. FBI calls ISP and asks who is using X.X.X.X IP address right now.This never happens so the issue is how long should we have to keep this log information? Should we have to keep it at all? Should we simply use DNS to assign names to addresses for all users which are kept up to date then by us? (Names of customers as "A" records for all IPs) Then the person can be identified by DNS name in real time and leave the rest to Uncle Sam. After all we do not need to be telling Uncle Sam how to use DNS right? A sound argument by many could be made that a user of a "public" IP address should involve "public" disclosure via DNS of who a user of an address is. Please note I am not saying this is the way it should be necessarily. Only that this may well be a way to produce the needed result of government to track wrongdoers and the ISPs to not have to maintain lengthy log files of who had what address when. That being said I don't want anyone to construe that I am for this legislation in ANY form. If the government wants to know what my subscribers are doing, they can get a court order and I will gladly log the customer covered under the court order for the period described by the court order.The question on that topic is not whether or not a court should be able to access information. I think that is obvious. The real question is what should we be obligated to make available (email, web sites browsed, chats, etc.) We cannot really do much to help the government see where people go. I do not think that should be our job or any of our business as ISPs. This needs to be fought not on a technical basis, but on a rights basis. The technical issues can solved over time and then where would we be.Let's look at a rights basis then. Should people who use a "public" Internet be able to be anonymous via the connection of their ISP? If this "right" is taken away (right of personal anonymity online) then I think we need to make sure every person knows this when it happens so the "thought police" do not start throwing people in jail for what they read and think. Many argue that we have this problem already with some of the pornography cases where people have been put in prison for what they saw on the Internet. I agree that these are important issues to address. Rights does need to be the basis. Technology is not as important as rights.Scriv Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mark Koskenmaki wrote: Why? Because it will severely burden smaller ISP's that lack the network infrastructure to do this. Is WISPA lobbying against this? It will be nearly impossible for most of us in the wireless business to do this, without major restructuring, or a huge expense that we can't afford. - Original Message - From: "George Rogato" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] WHY? http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6108279.html?part=rsstag=6108279subj=news Why would Qwest want ISP's to have to retain this data? George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..
Patrick, Man, you coughed those URLs up pretty fast. Thanks for your participation in this list, you always have something educational, and you share your knowledge openly. Glsd you decided to come back. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 05:37 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] roll your own radios..That's easy. From the FCC site:https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearchResult.cfmAnd here is the search location:https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/cf/eas/reports/TestFirmSearch.cfmPatrick LearyAVP MarketingAlvarion, Inc.o: 650.314.2628c: 760.580.0080Vonage: 650.641.1243-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Jack UngerSent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios..Patrick, From my perspective, Alvarion HAS set a pretty high standard in terms of marketing certified equipment. Can you research the certification labs that Alvarion has used and give us the names of those labs so that others will know where to go for reliable certification services?Thanks, jackPatrick Leary wrote: We have a pretty vigorous approved third party antenna list, but I believe we are somewhat of the exception in terms of this facility. Patrick Leary AVP Marketing Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] roll your own radios.. This sounds like a good idea. I am sure we could add a link to a listing of certification labs. We also need to push manufacturers to certify. Without some pressure from us the certification will just look like more cost with little to gain to manufacturers. Pressure from customers would make this more of a requirement than what it seems to be now. If we all insist on certs then the overall cost for this would be negligible. ScrivJack Unger wrote: John,Should WISPA consider publishing on our website a list of certification labs? It seems that our industry needs someone to step up and take on a leadership role and WISPA seems (to me anyway) to be the perfect organization to perform this role.We could start by simply polling our list members to see which labs anyone has used and been satisfied with.OK, speak up guys (and gals). What lab or labs have you researched or used? jackJohn Scrivner wrote:The rules state that any radio / antenna combination has to either be a certified system or that a substitute antenna used would have to meet the same specs as one used for certification in a system. Many think that this means "anything goes". The truth is that there are almost certainly a good bit of installed systems which would not pass FCC enforcement inspection. Many believe that following maximum EIRP rules is the only requirement. This is not so. It is a good practice if you are not following the rules but that does not mean it is legal. Another common belief is that "anything goes" is the rule of thumb due to the general lack of enforcement in unlicensed bands. This is unfortunate and further illustrates the need for our industry to mature.Part of this maturity process should start by operators demanding to see FCC certifications for the systems they buy. It is tough for operators to remain compliant when so few systems are certified. Another step should be that manufacturers certify their systems with commonly used antenna / radio configurations every time they release a product. Finally, distributors need to demand that all systems they sell meet certification requirements. The fact is that certification is not terribly costly or complicated and should be a step taken by all manufacturers and eventually all of us. If anyone here represents manufacturers who certify all their systems then now would be a good time to toot your horn.I believe the day will likely come that the FCC will inspect WISP systems. It took them about 20 years to start cracking down on the cable television industry for signal leakage and other infractions. Something tells me this industry will not have to wait that long. Of course the decision to follow the rules is inevitably up to each person. I would like to think we all will be compliant in the future but this is an unrealistic goal I am sure if manufacturers do not take a leadership role in this effort. WISPA stops short of demanding that members do anything but I will say, as President of WISPA, we should all try to follow the law regarding this industry. No industry association could expect to have impact in policy and legislative efforts if they took the stand that shirking the law
Re: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member
I wish, just feeling warm and fuzzy because the net is working mostly right for a change. -Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 01:25 AMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member Ron - you been drinking ? Boy you sure are full of warm fuzzies tonight :) JohnnyO -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 12:19 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member Yes, Welcome alvarion, And thank you and Patrick for the many papers and valuable information that you have made available to all of us in the past. I look forward to your input here in the future. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 02:04 AMTo: '', ''Subject: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor MemberWe are proud to announce that Alvarion has joined WISPA as our newest vendor member. Alvarion has been key in the development of the operations of many WISPs over the years. Alvarion is considered by many to be the premier solution for WISP operations and we welcome them to WISPA as a vendor member. I am sure I speak for all WISPA members when I say welcome to Alvarion.Scriv-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Responses to Network Storm
I meant for this to go to Part15 and Wispa lists, Maybe this will work. A special thanks goes to Jeremy Davis, Jeremy was on the phone and looking at the Mikrotik all the while, most of the cudoos go to Jeremy. below I make it sound like I did it. NOT TRUE, I'm the guy with the thick skull in this mix. JEREMY DAVIS - GETS ALL THE CREDIT!! -Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 03:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm Thank You all for your input, I will make a troubleshooting guide with this and some other responses I have kept. Since you all responded so generously. Its working, not "fixed". The culprit is a Canopy 2.45 Advantage AP, with no customers registered. It just doesn't seem to work all the time. So I redirected those users to my 900 canopy system. There are no SM's to be registered. about 4 days ago I restarted the AP and thought I'll try again with a new install for this friday. never thought about the AP being the problem. So, when I got to the Headend, I thought, lets just see which sector is producing the problem and then I can at lest provide service to my other users. So, I unplugged all AP's, left them off for 5 minutes, then added them back to the router one at a time, sector 3 was the bug, I just unplugged the AP. I didn't have to work nearly as hard as you all recommended, I was lucky, very lucky. But now I am going to download Ethereal "WireShark" and learn how to use it, Thanks again for all your insights and advice. You guys are Great! Here are most of the guys that responded: TJ Stamm, Justin Wilson, Graham McIntire, Tim Kerns, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mac Dearman, Rich Comroe, Bryan Scott, David Sovereen, Adam Moffett, Christopher Tyler, "Chuck" [EMAIL PROTECTED], Cameron Earnshaw, Tim Kerns, William.L. Edwards, Graham McIntire, Mark Martin, Bill Prince, David Milholen, Ira Hughes, Adam Moffett If I missed anyone I apologize for my oversite. Ron Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor Member
Yes, Welcome alvarion, And thank you and Patrick for the many papers and valuable information that you have made available to all of us in the past. I look forward to your input here in the future. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: John Scrivner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 02:04 AMTo: '', ''Subject: [WISPA] Welcome Alvarion to WISPA - Our Newest Vendor MemberWe are proud to announce that Alvarion has joined WISPA as our newest vendor member. Alvarion has been key in the development of the operations of many WISPs over the years. Alvarion is considered by many to be the premier solution for WISP operations and we welcome them to WISPA as a vendor member. I am sure I speak for all WISPA members when I say welcome to Alvarion.Scriv-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Network Storm
To all, I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users. I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice? Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise. Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Storm
Thanks Bill. -Original Message-From: William.L. Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:26 AMTo: ''WISPA General List'', [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Storm It is probably peer to peer traffic. That can take a network down very quickly. You will have to hunt down which user is hammering your network. Probably BitTorrent traffic if I were guessing. W.L. EdwardsCEORNet CommunicationsOffice 765-342-3554Fax 765-349-4880IMPORTANT: Confidentiality Statement:This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may containinformation that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not theintended recipient, dissemination of this communication is prohibited. Ifyou have received this communication in error, please erase all copies ofthe message and its attachments and notify RNet Communications immediately -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:16 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Network Storm To all, I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users. I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice? Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise. Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Storm
Thanks Tim, I'm not sure yet. but how do you mean you are 90% routed? Does each of your APs go directly to a router? I only have one headend, w/ 1 canopy 900 on an omni, 3 canopy 2.45's each on a 120* sector, thats it. They are all plugged into a CMMmicro, from there to a Netgear switch, to a Mikrotik router, to a back haul (tranzeo 5a) to a CLEC fiber for access - its simple but it has worked well, until this mess. -Original Message-From: Tim Kerns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:52 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Storm Ron, Are you seeing icmp to other IP's that are unreachable along with the icmp to 0.0.0.0 ? I have seen this in the past and looked like it was coming from a linksys router. I suspected the router was randomly replying to other's IP's, basically causing loops.To isolate I had to disable different AP's to discover which AP it was originating from, then acl each client until I could isolate to a client, long process in between network hangs. The last time this happened to me 90% of my network was bridged. Now I am 90% routed and have not seen the problem Tim - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List ; William.L. Edwards Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Storm Thanks Bill. -Original Message-From: William.L. Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:26 AMTo: ''WISPA General List'', [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WISPA] Network Storm It is probably peer to peer traffic. That can take a network down very quickly. You will have to hunt down which user is hammering your network. Probably BitTorrent traffic if I were guessing. W.L. EdwardsCEORNet CommunicationsOffice 765-342-3554Fax 765-349-4880IMPORTANT: Confidentiality Statement:This message is intended only for the use of the Addressee and may containinformation that is PRIVILEGED and CONFIDENTIAL. If you are not theintended recipient, dissemination of this communication is prohibited. Ifyou have received this communication in error, please erase all copies ofthe message and its attachments and notify RNet Communications immediately -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:16 AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WISPA] Network Storm To all, I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users. I am aknow-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice? Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise. Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/391 - Release Date: 7/18/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm
Thank You all for your input, I will make a troubleshooting guide with this and some other responses I have kept. Since you all responded so generously. Its working, not "fixed". The culprit is a Canopy 2.45 Advantage AP, with no customers registered. It just doesn't seem to work all the time. So I redirected those users to my 900 canopy system. There are no SM's to be registered. about 4 days ago I restarted the AP and thought I'll try again with a new install for this friday. never thought about the AP being the problem. So, when I got to the Headend, I thought, lets just see which sector is producing the problem and then I can at lest provide service to my other users. So, I unplugged all AP's, left them off for 5 minutes, then added them back to the router one at a time, sector 3 was the bug, I just unplugged the AP. I didn't have to work nearly as hard as you all recommended, I was lucky, very lucky. But now I am going to download Ethereal "WireShark" and learn how to use it, Thanks again for all your insights and advice. You guys are Great! -Original Message-From: TJ Stamm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:27 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WISP] Network StormYour first step is to find out where all of this traffic is coming from. Perfect time to learn Etheral, plug a hub in before your switch, and sniff away. 1-3min of run time should be more than enough.Ron Wallace wrote: To all, I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users. I am a know-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice? Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise. Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Introducing the New BreezeNET® B100 Backhaul from Alvarion:· Up to 70 Mbps net· Over 1,000 VoIP calls· Under $6,500 per linkThe WISP Game is Changing. Click to Save an Additional $100!http://www.alvarion.com/B100/?ref=part-15tag***Register your services in our FREE WISP Locatorhttp://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp***The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion ListTo Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournicknameTo Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp)Archives: http://archives.part-15.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm
A special thanks goes to Jeremy Davis, Jeremy was on the phone and looking at the Mikrotik all the while, most of the cudoos go to Jeremy. below I make it sound like I did it. NOT TRUE, I'm the guy with the thick skull in this mix. JEREMY DAVIS - GETS ALL THE CREDIT!! -Original Message-From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 03:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 'WISPA General List'Subject: [WISPA] Re: [WISP] Network Storm Thank You all for your input, I will make a troubleshooting guide with this and some other responses I have kept. Since you all responded so generously. Its working, not "fixed". The culprit is a Canopy 2.45 Advantage AP, with no customers registered. It just doesn't seem to work all the time. So I redirected those users to my 900 canopy system. There are no SM's to be registered. about 4 days ago I restarted the AP and thought I'll try again with a new install for this friday. never thought about the AP being the problem. So, when I got to the Headend, I thought, lets just see which sector is producing the problem and then I can at lest provide service to my other users. So, I unplugged all AP's, left them off for 5 minutes, then added them back to the router one at a time, sector 3 was the bug, I just unplugged the AP. I didn't have to work nearly as hard as you all recommended, I was lucky, very lucky. But now I am going to download Ethereal "WireShark" and learn how to use it, Thanks again for all your insights and advice. You guys are Great! -Original Message-From: TJ Stamm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:27 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WISP] Network StormYour first step is to find out where all of this traffic is coming from. Perfect time to learn Etheral, plug a hub in before your switch, and sniff away. 1-3min of run time should be more than enough.Ron Wallace wrote: To all, I am having a network storm, the first. All activity light switches on the wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before. There is a huge amount of traffic on the canopy sys. Others have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from Linksys Netgear routers. There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users. I am a know-nothing at this, and really a hardware/RF guy. Not familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net. What are you all using? Where do I get it? What are your thoughts and advice? Any help or advice you could offer would be greatly appreciated. I'll do whatever you all advise. Ron Wallace Tigernet Phone: 517-547-8410 Mobile: 517-605-4542 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Introducing the New BreezeNET® B100 Backhaul from Alvarion:· Up to 70 Mbps net· Over 1,000 VoIP calls· Under $6,500 per linkThe WISP Game is Changing. Click to Save an Additional $100!http://www.alvarion.com/B100/?ref=part-15tag***Register your services in our FREE WISP Locatorhttp://www.part-15.org/maps/WISPSearch.asp***The PART-15.ORG WISP Discussion ListTo Join: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type subscribe wisp yournicknameTo Remove: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (in the body type unsubscribe wisp)Archives: http://archives.part-15.org -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Lightning hits
Hey Brian, You should have a lightning arrestor between the antenna and radio, well grounded to the tower, also an arrestor between the radio and your red barn, well grounded. That should protect the radio as well as can be. 7/1/05, my tower was hit, I had all the arrestors in place, and well grounded. Of the 4 AP's on the tower one survived, but I have had good luck since.Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-From: Brian Rohrbacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2006 11:32 AMTo: 'Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization'Subject: [WISPA] Lightning hitsI have a Canopy 900 that is getting taken out from static. Until I can get the right solution in place to prevent this, I have a question. If I unplug the power from the radio when a storm is coming will the radio survive? It is still in the air, but there is no power to it. I am trying to save the RF side. Will it work.Brian-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help
To all, I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find asomeusers with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers. I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45, Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices. How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help
Thanks Larry, that is very useful. I shall follow all of the advice I get. -Original Message-From: Larry Yunker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 11:36 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help Ron, When the number of active connections for any single user exceeds about 10 to 15 simultaneous connections, you generally have one of two things occurring. Either the subscriber has been infected by some sort of virus/spyware or the customer is running some sort of peer-to-peer networking software (i.e. Kaaza, winMX, Limewire, Bittorrent, etc, etc, etc). Either of these situations will result in increased latency and decreased overall available network throughput on the Canopy systems. On the Tranzeo system, the effect is far worse. Since Tranzeo is 802.11b based, there is no polling mechanism to ensure timely delivery of packets. the effect of a continuous streams ofoutboundtrafficis dropped packets. Dropped packets means timed-out web pages and dropped email sessions. It gets far worse when you start dealing with games and VoIP. Even 1% packet loss can result in unusable games. Likewise, the very slightest IP interruption can make VoIP sessions experience jitter, echoing, and garbled signal. It is important that you determine the specific customers that are causing the excessive streams. Look at the ports in use and the destination addresses. Determine if the traffic is likely P-t-P or an infection. If it's P-t-P, you should be able to control the volume of the traffic by using the P-t-P throttling mechanisms available through the Mikrotik software. If it's an infection, you shoulddisassociate the user from your AP's until the infection can be resolved. If you simply firewall the outbound traffic, you probably won't solve anything.Many infections cause the PC to continuously send out packets regardless ofwhether those packets ever arrive at a valid destination. Therefore, the infection will keepsending/flooding your AP even if you block the subscriber from successfully reaching the internet viaa Mikrotik firewall. Larry Yunker Network Consultant WISP Advantage [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 6:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help To all, I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find asomeusers with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers. I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45, Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices. How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik? Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help
Thanks John, I have noticed that many of them from one user are in sequence everyother number 2,4,6,8, for example in the destination addr. I'll have a look at that.-Original Message-From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 09:36 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpHow many is "some"? They may be boxes that have been compromised with a worm, trojan, virus or spyware. Look closely at the destination ports they are connecting to. If the addresses/ports are in sequence, they may have malware on their PC.John -Original Message-----From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 04:24 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpTo all,I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find a some users with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers.I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45, Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices.How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik Help
How many? 2 maybe 4, not many. but one has generated over 500 boxes in the firewall connections listing.-Original Message-From: John J. Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 09:36 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpHow many is "some"? They may be boxes that have been compromised with a worm, trojan, virus or spyware. Look closely at the destination ports they are connecting to. If the addresses/ports are in sequence, they may have malware on their PC.John -Original Message-----From: Ron Wallace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 04:24 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED], wireless@wispa.orgSubject: [WISPA] I need Mikrotik HelpTo all,I have some abusive users, when I look at IP Firewall Connections I find a some users with over a hundred (100) instances listed in the source address column. I think its flooding my network. I have 2 T1's and 81 users. We're growing faster than I can install new customers.I am using Canopy 900, Canopy 2.45, Tranzeo 2.45. I have activated the SM, SNMP, BOOTP Server and Client filters on the canopy devices.How can I limit the number of active instances of these abusive users on the Mikrotik?Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
OK, makes sense to me. I'm glad you are on top of all these things. You do a great job Marlon. -Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:31 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc I specifically left out the whitespaces because they are already on the table and may see movement at any time. I didn't want to put another 2 year hold on them Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, I just read it. I have many installs, I'm an old guy, I'll respond Sunday. and it "Looks good to me". Accept there is no or little mention of the TV White Spaces, I think they would be perfect for a project like this. And Baseline testing prior to the experiment is an absolute must.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test can be run via different technologies in different environments. We believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these PtP links with their very high gain antennas.Those are all good points but not the poin
Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
In my mind it would include Frequency Test and Measurement prior toany actual device being tested, including Adjacent Channel or frequencies. Additionally, initial tests of the devices in a lab, this would establish a Success Criteria that would allow the Baseline Frequency Testing to determine if the project is possible. In our case, which bands are even useable. This response is far short of all the requirements that should be included, I need help from others more experienced than me. -Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:31 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc What is baseline testing in your context? Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ron Wallace To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc In fact I can't believe baseline testing is not a prerequsite, hell I still can't spell.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test can be run via different technologies in different environments. We believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these PtP links with their very h
Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
Marlon, I just read it. I have many installs, I'm an old guy, I'll respond Sunday. and it "Looks good to me". Accept there is no or little mention of the TV White Spaces, I think they would be perfect for a project like this. And Baseline testing prior to the experiment is an absolute must.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test can be run via different technologies in different environments. We believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these PtP links with their very high gain antennas.Those are all good points but not the point of this nprm as I read it. 2: We think that multiple tests should be allowed to run simultaneously in many markets around the country. Absolutely. 3: Tests should span from fallow to highly used spectrum. We believe that one of the criteria should be equipment availability. There are radios already on the market that will operate in the 2.5 GHz band. This should make modifications to the operating software much easier and less expensive for at least one phase of the tests. We think that all spectrum should be looked at honestly. Important but not mission critical cases should be looked at. ie: Radio navigation should be off limits, but the local plumber’s VHF channels should not. *IF* the plumber detects unusual interference on his band he should be able to contact the testing party and first verify the interference and secondly make them stop causing it. The typical Atheros powered WiFi radio has the ability to access from 2312 to 2732 in the 2
Re: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc
In fact I can't believe baseline testing is not a prerequsite, hell I still can't spell.-Original Message-From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 06:37 PMTo: 'Ken DiPietro'Cc: 'WISPA General List', 'POSTMASTER'Subject: [WISPA] Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.docOf for God's sake! Only one response and that's not even from a WISPA memberCan I at least get a "looks good to me" response if you guys aren't going to take the time to give me some feedback on what to say on this issue?Ken, my comments below.Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam- Original Message - From: "Ken DiPietro" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "John Scrivner" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 9:42 AMSubject: Re: 1st draft Spectrum Sharing Test-bed 06-89.doc Marlon, Comments in-line, just where you'd expect to find them. Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: 1 a: We believe that there should be multiple tests run at the same time but in different areas. Possibly on a rotating basis so that each test can be run via different technologies in different environments. We believe that any new technologies should be open to testing on a non interference basis. I would leave this alone - let the FCC decide how this aspect of the test should be run. I can see value (for example) of two competing tests being run in the same area to show how the interference issue can be measured and possibly ignored due to lack of any tangible problem.Part of the problem with this whole idea will be the incombants not wanting to share. We also want to see valid data on what happens to the incombant. This means that we need to limit the possibilities of harmful interference.At least that's my take on it. 1 b: We believe that the biggest challenge is going to be creating a technological and regulatory environment that’s auto correcting. We want to see spectrum fully utilized. However, changing technology would require constantly changing rule sets if it were to be too granular. Too loose and the rules will get abused. We’d like to see a balance that sets the rules in such a way that people can build/use devices that use any open spectrum that they can find. Inefficient radios that don’t keep up with technological advances should be encouraged to leave the market at some point though. Possibly by setting a certification sunset. Certainly all existing devices would be grandfathered, new ones would have to be recertified after x years (3 to 5???) though. I find this to be a dangerous precedent. If full use of spectrum is the goal, it seems that the License Exempt "experiment" has done a pretty good job of pushing the limits of that goal.Yeah, we've done well so far. From my perspective, I would like to see a "loosening" of the rules in specific bands that are easily accessible using off the shelf WiFi equipment. In addition, I want to see the 6GHz band have the six foot antenna rule stricken from the regulation and a reasonable EIRP mandated (like 4 watts plus unlimited antenna gain?) so that we can start to use a "clean" band to deliver communications services in any area that interference would not be a problem is. As a specific example, I would guess (no, I haven't confirmed it) that there is zero usage of the 6GHz band in my area or if there is it is localized for long distance PtP links and anything I would deploy here "on the ground" would not affect these PtP links with their very high gain antennas.Those are all good points but not the point of this nprm as I read it. 2: We think that multiple tests should be allowed to run simultaneously in many markets around the country. Absolutely. 3: Tests should span from fallow to highly used spectrum. We believe that one of the criteria should be equipment availability. There are radios already on the market that will operate in the 2.5 GHz band. This should make modifications to the operating software much easier and less expensive for at least one phase of the tests. We think that all spectrum should be looked at honestly. Important but not mission critical cases should be looked at. ie: Radio navigation should be off limits, but the local plumber’s VHF channels should not. *IF* the plumber detects unusual interference on his band he should be able to contact the testing party and first verify the interference and secondly make them stop causing it. The typical Atheros powered WiFi radio has the ability to access from 2312 to 2732 in the 2 GHz channels and from 4920 to 6100 in the 5 GHz mode. It is these bands that I believe we should concentrate on because the rest of the entire spectrum is essentially unapproachable from a WISP
Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006
Yeah, JohnnyO, watch your filthy f---ing talk. -Original Message-From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2006 11:53 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006If you object to spam as much as you say you do, then why on earth would you send that spam to a list? Get a clue. Also, watch your language.Lonnie On 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone Else receiving these from these pricks ? JohnnyO -Original Message-From: APGWireless Info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:18 PMTo: 'Chris Russell'Cc: WISPA General ListSubject: RE: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006 Please do NOT spam me any further in the future - I'd like to be removed from any and ALL lists ya'll have harvested from the WISP online forum/lists immediately. I've asked numerous times without any success. Regards, JohnnyO -- Lonnie NunweilerValemount Networks Corporationhttp://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006
you guys slay me, chuckle, chuckle.-Original Message-From: Lonnie Nunweiler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, June 5, 2006 01:02 AMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006To the Board:Is this behaviour condoned? Not only did he spam the list and useoffensive language, but he now slanders all Canadian companies.LonnieOn 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahhh my old good friend Lonnie :) How are you these days ? Get a clue . I did - don't buy from Canadian companies - they'll bend you over every chance they get :) Prick : please see http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=prick for a better run down on the term Lonnie. I did watch my language. Don't be so sensitive unless you fit the shoes... I know I do ! JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FW: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006 If you object to spam as much as you say you do, then why on earth would you send that spam to a list? Get a clue. Also, watch your language. Lonnie On 6/4/06, JohnnyO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone Else receiving these from these pricks ? JohnnyO -Original Message- From: APGWireless Info [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 9:18 PM To: 'Chris Russell' Cc: WISPA General List Subject: RE: See what's new at DragonWave @ WCA 2006Please do NOT spam me any further in the future - I'd like to be removed from any and ALL lists ya'll have harvested from the WISP online forum/lists immediately. I've asked numerous times without any success. Regards, JohnnyO -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- Lonnie NunweilerValemount Networks Corporationhttp://www.star-os.com/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?
JohnnyO You have it right! IMHO.-Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2006 08:31 AMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?Sure do - We credit ALL of our customers without them having to ask forany downtime over 12hours they experience on our system. If someone isnot happy with our service and ask for a refund for their installation,we just give it to them, pick up our equipment and leave smiling.How about you Rudolph ? How do you treat your customer base ? None ofour customers are due to advertisement, they are referrals by word ofmouth. How stupid would it be to give someone a hard time over a fewdollars when our business is driven by word of mouth advertising ?JohnnyO-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of Rudolph WorrellSent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 10:03 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?Do you offer refunds for your service?Quoting Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well JohnnyO, That I agree with. My defense was not of Hyperlink. My defense was that not giving refunds is not a bad thing. Banning someone (a prosective buyer) for such a request or for that matter ANY REASON is absolutely rediculous. Vendors have the right to set their policies, but they also have the responsibility to be the bigger person, and to not let individual transaction decisions with a consumer effect their judgement, emotion, professionalism, and future business decissions. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "JohnnyO" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:58 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?*snip* If someone gives refunds, thats a plus that shows they add value. But not giving refunds does not infer wrong doing. *snip* Tom - it is wrong doing when you ban someone for requesting a refund. Hell, I've never bought from Hyperlink and from seeing their "ban" policy with a few of the posts on here, we'll never do business with them in the future. I guess I am not the only one that takes this point of view either, so how much $$ did the "ban" on Scriv cost them actually ? :) JohnnyO -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 11:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Returns to Hyperlinktech.com is it possible?Blake, Its not that I disagree with you, that "it is good business to take care of your customers." Nor am I defending Hyperlinktech, as we don't have enough business experience with them, to have a valid opinion. but...This isn't retail HomeDepot that we are talking about, this is distribution. In my 10 years experience previously in the distribution business, I can tell you there are not many companies that give "refunds." We also found that the companies that couldn't understand why "refunds" was bad business for distributors, usually were the ones that didn't do enough volume to matter wether we lost them. I'm not saying that Ipersonally do not believe in giving refunds. I also believe its best practice totake care of the customer, in most cases. But that does not change the factthat most dealers do NOT give refunds. Tessco, Talley. Hutton, Electrocomm. They may give refunds, but there significant hassle in getting it, that in most cases will be more costly to the buyer in time than the value of the refund. They also usually charge a higher profit margin on every sale thanthe smaller distributor that is competing on price, and therefore hasmore margin to justify eating the cost to give the refund. I bet the price received from Hyperlinktech was significantly less than that the Tesscos or Hutton's would have charged? When price drops, terms gets tougher. A distributor must determine which business they want to be in, and they can't be in both successfully.If in the price market they need to have price policies. Descretionneeds to be taken out of the set policies, otherwise its impossible to manageRMA processes. There are many reasons strict policies need to be inforced for Refunds 1. Price constantly falls based on time. And even a week or s odone the road the cost of the product may have dropped. 2. People find something cheaper after the fact. 3. Sales people may have already been paid commissions. 4. If special order product, the vendor ends up getting stuck withthe full cost of the product sitting in inventory for a long time, whileprice drops by the time someone wants the product. Guaranteed to sell theproduct at a loss as well as tie up cash flow. 5. People often irreputably return other vendor's products. Company1 has stock and can ship today.
Re: [WISPA] (no subject)
Hey Buddy, I haven't heard from you in a long time. How's it going? -Original Message-From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2006 12:24 AMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] (no subject) Vaporware baby ! JohnnyO -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 10:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; wireless@wispa.org; isp-wireless@isp-wireless.comSubject: [WISPA] (no subject) To All, Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds too good to be true. Ron Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] (no subject)
To All, Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds too good to be true. Ron Wallace -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Navini Networks, was no subject
George, What do you know about them?-Original Message-From: George Rogato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2006 11:29 PMTo: 'WISPA General List'Subject: Re: [WISPA] (no subject)Ron Wallace wrote: To All, Any one know anthing about Navini Networks and all their claims? sounds too good to be true. Ron Wallace I'd like to know as well how it performs and their success rate. It's been out awhile now.I do know that Navini and Vivato were supposed to be revolutionary products using smart antennas and direction beam forming techniques to overcome nlos and reach in deeper to the customer.They get to use more power than a normal PtMP unlicensed system.Vivato didn't make it: http://www.vivato.com/ VIVATO ANNOUNCES WIND DOWN PLANS.George-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
