from:"Charles Wu"

We've been doing VoIP (and FAX) for over 7 years right now and T.38 works great 
for us (we have guys faxing 80+ pages with no problem)
A few things

1. Since we no longer own a WISP (and are bound by a wireless non-compete when 
we sold several years ago), all of our connections are run over landline 
circuits (that said, even when we had a WISP, we never ran VoIP over shared 
best-effort multipoint wireless)

2. We hard-set the T.38 protocol to fax only (we had problems when the protocol 
would modulate)

3. We don't run dial credit card machines over VoIP (bad idea)

4. We QoS the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] out of the network (not just our last mile, 
but we've found the only way to roll out a Centrex solution is to basically 
own the customer's network)

#4 is the most interesting to me, as it seems that people are coming to this 
reality and splitting into 2 camps

1. SIP trunk only providers (so they can set their demarc at the Asterisk PBX)
2. Managed Service Providers (guys who not just do VoIP, but support networks, 
PCs, computers, apps, everything)

It's actually a pretty interesting discussion to get into...

-Charles

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38 doesn't
really work.


--
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message -
From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
 Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People like
 their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
 Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the
 basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
 cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of reasons.
 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

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 Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
 launches?

 Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing?

 --
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 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Tom,

Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter buffers

G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too

-Charles


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM
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Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have,
first

I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies.

They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It
worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large
scale testing).
Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the
same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used
in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size.  They primarilly were
targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an
inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use.
Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments.
They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we
looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop
programs for WISPs was worthy of note.

There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it
would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential
networks.
One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where
they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about
billing integration.
At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now?

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 Marlon,
 How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted
 platform?

 On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

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 Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


  Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
  launches?
 
  Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
  billing?
 
  --
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  Boonlink Communications
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  Fort Payne, AL 35967
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Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?

Mike,

Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network
Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards 
are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support)

-Charles


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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM
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Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate
with my company at this point.  I've done G.711 and T.38 with many
softswitches and many ATAs.  It's too finicky.


--
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- Original Message -
From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we
 found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work
 over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully.

 -Matt

 On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Fax machines don't run over VoIP either.  They just don't, T.38
 doesn't
 really work.


 --
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com


 - Original Message -
 From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 Businesses cannot run on cell phones.  Nor can fax machines.
 Voip is cheaper than cell service.  The quality is better.  People
 like
 their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell.
 Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to
 the
 basement.  Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain
 cancer.  Real telephones are more comfortable to use.  Lots of
 reasons.
 - Original Message -
 From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 We're just getting started with it.  We're going mostly with
 (keeping
 another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us)
 Netsapians.
 So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I
 think
 I
 can sell.

 I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni
 wifi.  That
 is
 to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice.  Not voip in any
 form
 from
 any company.  Why do most of us need multiple personal phone
 lines

 Businesses will likely be different.  But I'm not sure that the
 price
 wars
 are over.  Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST
 services
 on
 the internet.  The money for those on this list will continue to be
 transport.
 marlon

 - Original Message -
 From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA
 General
 List
 wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?


 Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product
 launches?

 Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you
 billing?

 --
 John M. McDowell
 Boonlink Communications
 307 Grand Ave NW
 Fort Payne, AL 35967
 256.844.9932
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 www.boonlink.com






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Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious

Not sure if we are offering intl.  I think we decided to sell them phone
cards if they want intl

Talk about an interesting world -- I've recently started broadening my 
horizons, and I'll tell you, it's hard to differentiate a prepaid guys from a 
pimp (many, actually do both =)

Anyone game for 50 second minutes?

-Charles

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Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:42 PM
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.
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 Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls.

 Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records.

 Sincerely,

 Jeremy Davis
 Maximum Technologies, LLC
 Office 318.303.4725



 
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Re: [WISPA] Press Release - Link Technologies and Ask-Wi.Com Announce Online Wireless Training -- doesn't this need to go through the board?

2008-08-12 Thread Charles Wu

Question

I understand that Link Technologies is a vendor member and supporter of WISPA, 
but I am under the impression that those types of announcements have to go 
through the proper WISPA channels (e.g., WISPA Sponsored announcement...etc) 
and went towards are monthly/quarterly allotment of approved Sponsor SPAM

Has there been a change in policy?  I've got plenty of press releases I'd love 
to post =)


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[WISPA] Windows Developer

2008-08-14 Thread Charles Wu

Looking for someone who has expertise in Visual Studio (VB, c#, c) -- with a 
specific emphasis on dll / active x programming

Please ping offlist


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Subject: Re: [Motorola II] Tower Ground Kits vs Surge Suppresors ?

The NEC is what specifies #6.

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 The size of the grounding cable on the kit is 6AWG rated;

 Coax can have a heavy braid or corregated shield, but foil shielded Cat5
 has basically a 24 or 26 AWG drain wire.

 Does it really matter if the ground wire is 6AWG, especially if it is only
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Re: [WISPA] your thoughts on opps in Africa?

2008-09-09 Thread Charles Wu

Funny you should mention that... we have had equipment tribalized here
too.
Even if you have an agreement signed by the tribal elders, the chapter
presidency and the BIA, it means nothing.

You are allowed to declare war on sovereign nations =)

-Charles

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I have heard of that happening on native lands here in the US too. I have
nothing to confirm that though.

 ryan

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 We were in Sakhalin Island in Russia.  The government just up and decided
 to
 take over everything.  Booted out the oil companies and said finders
 keepers to everyone.  I will never do any intl work again without full
 money up front.

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 Dennis Burgess wrote:
 Depends if you are used to doing that.   However, I do know they are
 investing quite a bit of money in the Nigerian infrustructure.  I know
 what Routers they are using.  lol

 Joking aside, there is big money in building telcos in Nigeria.

 Some Los Angeles based VCs I work with are working with the government
 in building out their network infrastructure.  Getting the rights to
 work/sell there is tricky, but once they attained them, things got easier


 
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[WISPA] Service Request

2008-09-12 Thread Charles Wu

Does anyone have footprint in Albany, GA?  Looking for either SOHO Fixed 
Wireless / DSL / Cable Service (would prefer something with some QoS, but price 
is an issue too)

2601 Dawson Rd
Albany, GA 31707
NPA-NXX: 229-436

215 E Broad Avenue
Albany, GA 31705
NPA-NXX: 229-432

505 9th Avenue
Albany, GA 31701
NPA-NXX: 229-349

200 E Broad Avenue
Albany, GA 31705
NPA-NXX: 229-436

If the pricing is right, may have more in that general vicinity that I'd like 
to hook up


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Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?

2008-10-07 Thread Charles Wu

Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World

WiNOG, on the other hand...

grin

-Charles


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Hi,

Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)?

I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz 
point-to-point links in the US in November.

The price is very attractive.

My main concern is performance  reliability. We can test the performance 
within a short period of time, but not the reliability (would need to have the 
link up for a while to do that). We are considering these for a critical  2 
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Thanks,
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[WISPA] Any Optigold Experts Out there

2008-10-09 Thread Charles Wu

I know you're hiding somewhere...

Ping me offlist

-Charles


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell
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Jeff,
Hit me offlist. I would like to continue our talk about the CC processing.

Thanks!

John

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Ehman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 WiNOG did have the Wu Wu special

 2 Parts Technical Jargon
 1 Part Credit Card Processing ON DISCOUNT

 :)

 Some humor for a great Wednesday afternoon

 -Jeff
 General Manager
 CTI
 (773) 667-4585 x2509


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 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:42 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?

 WiMAX World was a bunch of mobile pipedream stuff with an emphasis on in
 the clouds technology roadmaps, haha.

 What most people got out of WiNOG was the ability to speak with other
 operators ACTUALLY deploying 3.65 gear.  Can't really describe the good
 parts, except for getting Redline and Aperto's full attention for 2 days
 instead of being attacked by 300 vendors.

 I think everyone in our industry is aware of the benefit of 3.65 being open
 spectrum and the ability for high quality service due to WiMAX's QoS
 capabilities.  Only time will tell with which manufacturer will win your
 hearts but the mobile stuff that WiMAX World spoke about is not it at this
 point.

 -Jeff
 General Manager
 CTI
 (773) 667-4585 x2509


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 Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:29 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax world news?

 Well, lets hear it!  I was unable to attend, even tough I really wanted!

 Gino A. Villarini
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 tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 -Original Message-
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 Nothing terribly exciting at WiMAX World

 WiNOG, on the other hand...

 grin

 -Charles


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 Hi,

 Has anyone heard of or used products by Radwin (www.radwin.com)?

 I understand they are releasing the Radwin 2000 series of 5.x GHz
 point-to-point links in the US in November.

 The price is very attractive.

 My main concern is performance  reliability. We can test the
 performance within a short period of time, but not the reliability
 (would need to have the link up for a while to do that). We are
 considering these for a critical  2 mi. link.

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Re: [WISPA] tower

2008-10-16 Thread Charles Wu

Get yourself a fire truck off of Ebay (obviously, probably want to find one 
nearby)

Here's one with a 110' ladder in Orem, UT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LADDER-TRUCK-FIRE-TRUCK-110-FT-ALUMINUM-BED-SUPER-NICE_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ39Q3a2Q7c66Q3a1Q7c65Q3a3Q7c240Q3a1308QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem280275672423QQitemZ280275672423

If you want to get fancy, you can paint it over with your company colors...

I'm not joking either


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Hi,

I'm looking for a portable type tower that I can use in a remote
location. Something that I can just park in a field, run power to, and
put some antennas on. Something in the 60-80ft. tall range would be
ideal, but it also depends on price.

Any suggestions or better ideas?

thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] Keyon Communications

2009-10-23 Thread Charles Wu

Are you aware that Keyon is a publically traded company; I would start with 
that data

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=KEYO.OB

-Charles


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We were solicited for purchase by this company today. Anyone have
anything to share about them?

 

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[WISPA] Summary - Senate Commerce Committee Oversight Hearing on BIP/BTOP Round 1

2009-10-28 Thread Charles Wu

There was some big news out of today's Senate Commerce Committee oversight 
hearing on the BIP/BTOP programs, which just ended.  Copies of the prepared 
testimony by the RUS, NTIA and OMB witnesses are attached but, as usual, the 
best information came out in the oral testimony.

The big news relates to the schedule for making grants under the first NoFA.  
In his testimony, NTIA Administrator Larry Strickling announced that 
application processing is proceeding slower than anticipated.  As a result, he 
announced that the first BTOP applications will not be granted until 
mid-December, and that processing applications under the first NoFA will not be 
completed until February 2010.  RUS Administrator Jonathan Adelstein announced 
that RUS will begin issuing awards as soon as possible but that November 7th 
date will slip and that RUS expects to begin making announcements a month 
after the initially scheduled November 7th date.

During the course of his testimony, Strickling made reference to the upcoming 
Request for Information regarding the second NoFA, but did not give any 
indication as to when it will be released.  Adelstein noted that it would be 
released shortly.

During the questioning, Sen. Rockefeller and others again expressed unhappiness 
with the remote definition adopted by RUS.  Not surprisingly, Adelstein 
committed to completely review the definition when comments are filed in 
response to the FRI., and concedes that there are real problems with the 
current definition.

In response to concerns raised regarding lack of mapping and funding of areas 
that are served by private enterprise, Adelstein mentioned that RUS is focusing 
on funding deployments in unserved areas.

Finally, in response to a Rockefeller question regarding the problems stemming 
from the shotgun marriage of RUS and NTIA, both Administrators identified the 
reluctance of applicants to seek BIP loans (that stretch dollars), when they 
can instead secure BTOP grants.  Strickling made clear that they will look at 
this issue in preparing the second NoFA, but also stated that he was not sure 
they would change the agencies' approaches.  Throughout the hearing, Adelstein 
continued to emphasize the benefits of using loans to leverage the funds 
available.  So, while NTIA is statutorily restricted to 80% grants and no 
loans, RUS may not take advantage of its flexibility to change the 50%/50% 
grant-loan split.

For further details and to download hearing transcripts: 
http://www.winog.org/index.php?q=senatecommitteemeeting102809

Feel free to contact me if you have any additional questions (or if you want to 
get sold on something =)

-Charles


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[WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Update - NARUC Presentation by Jonathan Adelstein and Larry Strickling

2009-11-19 Thread Charles Wu

NARUC 121st Annual Convention:
11/17/09
11:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m.
5th Floor - Ballroom D
National Broadband Stimulus Update
Larry Strickling, Director of NTIA and Jonathan Adelstein, Administrator of the 
USDA Rural Utility Service provide an update on the American Recovery and 
Reinvestment Act broadband grant and loan programs.

Moderator: Hon Phil Jones - Commissioner: Washington Utilities and 
Transportation Commission
Panelists:
Hon Larry Strickling - Asst Secreatry for Communications and Info and Director, 
NTIA
Hon Jonathan Adelstein - Administrator, Rural Development Utilities - USDA

Recorded Audio Presentation can be downloaded here: 
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Re: [WISPA] Freeside

2009-11-20 Thread Charles Wu

The Freeside guru that many have turned to is Jeremy Davis (contact info 
below) -- I'd suggest giving him a call

Jeremy Davis
Maximum Technologies, LLC
Office 318.303.4725
www.maximumtech.us
jere...@maximumtech.biz 

-Charles

-Original Message-
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Of cc...@dot11net.com
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:04 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Freeside

Can anyone help with an installation of Freeside on CentOS 5? Hit me off
list if you have a minute to answer a couple of questions.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-14 Thread Charles Wu

Hi Rick,

In the context of being an e-commerce merchant (e.g., someone who sells books, 
toys, things online), everything that you bank and Authorize.Net is telling you 
is true -- what's happening is that you are being lumped into the category of 
card-not-present credit card processing -- which is, not surprisingly, higher 
risk than card-present or swiped credit card processing.

As a result, there's an additional set of rules and regulations (and higher 
pricing) that applies to you

Now, I think everyone here would agree that the business of being a 
WISP/ISP/Telco is fundamentally different than that of an e-commerce shop -- 
specifically, our business is all about recurring revenue

Let's compare

Service Provider that bills 1,000 customers $50 / month vs. E-commerce shop 
that sells 1,000 customers something for $50 / month

Now, if you were to compare risk between the two -- as opposed to 100% 
card-not-present risk held by the E-commerce shop, the way to look at it from 
the service provider is that there's probably only 50 risky transactions 
(e.g., the new adds for the month), and the other 950 transactions were people 
that were billed the previous month (and probably have been customers for quite 
some time already).

Now, for a facilities-based provider (as opposed to a web-hosting or dial-up 
company), the risk is further mitigated by evidence of a truck roll (which, 
if you think about it, makes for basically a card-present transaction)

Taking these factors into account, Visa/Mastercard have created special 
programs for facilities-based providers

For example: Mastercard - 
http://www.mastercard.com/us/merchant/solutions/incentive_program.html

Billing Lost/Stolen/Expired Cards:
Visa: http://www.visadps.com/services/visa_account_updater.html
MasterCard: 
http://www.mastercard.com/us/wce/PDF/Billing%20Updater%20Brochure_10%2006.pdf

What other benefits are available from being in these programs?

1. Specialized telco industry rates for consumer billing (depending on card 
type / mix -- it comes out to generally 10-25% cheaper than e-commerce / 
card-not-present transactions)

2. The ability to legally bill through expired cards for recurring payment 
purposes

3. The ability to update card records to account for lost, stolen, reissued 
and expired cards

The up-front work (business process + software  systems integration) to 
getting qualified and working within these programs is pretty extensive, and 
as a result, the 2,000 or so small-to-medium sized service providers have too 
many other things on their plate to deal with this (trust me, big guys like 
Comcast and Verizon take full advantage of these programs).  What IP Pay has 
done is to invest ~2 years of RD and systems to the tune of ~$750k to build 
out systems so that we can help guys like yourself take advantage of 
preferential treatment normally reserved for the big guys.

-Charles


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of RickG
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

Because once expired, Visa or Mastercard no longer must honor it. If a
chargeback happens, they may consider using an expired card as fraudulent
and deny your claim. This is just my more cautious nature coming out here.
Maybe your processor says no big deal. For me, Authorize.net said dont do
it.
-RickG

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I've seen that before, but that wasn't what I was looking for.

 Either way, a charge back can happen no matter what - why would the
 expiration be relevant?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

  My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
  charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I
 guess
  the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
  Visa's website. -RickG
 
  On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman
  j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
 
   Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long
 none
  of
   the other information was changed.  I read something about this
 recently
   but
   I can't seem to locate it.
  
   Josh Luthman
   Office: 937-552-2340
   Direct: 937-552-2343
   1100 Wayne St
   Suite 1337
   Troy, OH 45373
  
   The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
   --- Albert Einstein
  
  
   On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:
  
I'm speaking from experience :)
Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration
  date
and add two years - wella, it works again!
I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not

Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

2009-12-14 Thread Charles Wu

I think IP Pay queries the issuer to determine what the proper expiration 
date and updates it.  Maybe I'll get Charles over here to say what his 
service does.  ;-)

We basically have three product features for WISPs/Telcos/CableCos/Service 
Providers that really set us apart from the normal e-commerce processor

IP Pay Account Updater automatically updates card-on-file account changes 
from lost, stolen or reissued cards, to ensure uninterrupted recurring 
payments. 

IP Pay Account Continuator allows for the successful processing of expired 
cards on recurring payment transactions. 

IP Pay Account Economizer uses specialized market interchange categories to 
eliminate the High-Risk Surcharges levied on traditional e-commerce and 
card-not-present transactions. 

Hope this helps

-Charles



--
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:14 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors

 But the issue is that they may consider using an expired card as 
 fraudulent.
 Remember, each credit card transaction has a bunch or legal rules and
 regulations that come along with it. You know how it goes, do it right or 
 it
 may bite!

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote:

  And when the chargeback comes through, you fax them the copy of your
 internet service contract and their usage summary showing they owed and 
 paid
 for the bill as agreed.

 Travis
 Microserv


 RickG wrote:

 My banker buddy said its between you and your credit card processor but
 charging to an expired card could leave you open to a charge back. I 
 guess
 the safest thing to do is ask your processor. I did find the attached on
 Visa's website. -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Josh 
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  Very confident that IPPay will accept past expiration dates as long none 
 of
 the other information was changed.  I read something about this recently
 but
 I can't seem to locate it.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
 --- Albert Einstein


 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com 
 rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:



  I'm speaking from experience :)
 Most credit cards expire in two years. So, you take their expiration date
 and add two years - wella, it works again!
 I dont know about other processors but authorize.net will not accept an
 expired date.
 -RickG

 On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Josh 
 Luthmanj...@imaginenetworksllc.com j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:



  I don't see how you can guess it.  You can have one card number not
 change but renew it's expiration date.  Also keep in mind you can
 continue charging without updating information for companies just like
 us.

 On 12/13/09, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:


  Quickbooks is great!

 Question though: I was told by my bank not to guess their new


  expiration


  date and that you need to get the it  directly from the customer or


   you


  are


  subject to dispute. True of false?
 -RickG

 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net 
 wirelessn...@rapiddsl.netwrote:



  IPPay is really cool. Expecially automatic features like figuring


   out


  the


  right CC exp date after it expires. We'd like to use it, if we


   could.


   But we dont use them because you really need a seperate billing


   system


  to


  integrate with them.
 We use Quickbooks for our billing, and from what I understood IPPay


   does


   not
 integrate with Quickbook's billing.

 PS. I know, why are we using Quickbooks for billing still? Resistent


   to


   change when something works, its easy, and no compelling reason to


  change.


  Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


 - Original Message -
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net t...@ida.net
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Credit Card Processors




  IPPay. Only saved us $500 per month and we get our money in 1-2


   business


   days (instead of 4-5 with authorize). :) :)

 Travis
 Microserv

 Robert West wrote:


  Looking at credit card processors again.  Been nickled and dimed


to


   death


  with 2 others.  Who are you happy with and do they work 
 withauthorize.net?



 Bob-







 Robert West

 Just Micro Digital Services Inc.

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[WISPA] BIP/BTOP Update - RUS Field Verifications

2009-12-14 Thread Charles Wu

FWIW - RUS is sending reps in the field to see if areas are truly underserved 
/ unserved

So, if there's a app in your market that you think shouldn't exist -- I'd take 
a second to reach out to your local RUS office

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2009-12-29 Thread Charles Wu

  LTE has already won and .16e will find only small, limited life and even 
 less
 mass development.

Do you see any point in small BRS/EBS (MMDS/ITFS) license holders deploying 
802.16e in these frequency bands?

Hi Blake,

I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the 
deployment -- you or the government =)

-Charles






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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

If not... then I don't think a WISP (as we probably define it) is ever
really going to be profitable with it. 

Off the top of my head, I know of 5 WISPs that are still deploy pre-WiMAX 
systems in the 2.5 GHz band and are doing quite nicely (and they aren't 
Clearwire / Digital Bridge type businesses where they're losing a ton of money)

The average size of these guys is about 7,000 wireless customers in their 
respective markets

In addition, when you dive into their financials, while their up-front CAPEX is 
significantly higher (due to the overbuild model of most 2.5 GHz systems) -- 
their operational and maintenance costs are significantly lower due to the fact 
that

1. They're not constantly dealing with interference and all the other gotchas 
that occur with Part 15
2. Many of them are able to utilize self-installs due to drastically increased 
power levels

But what about Motorola's new product?  Remember it's a fixed 802.16e, so
you don't get the benefits of mobility, no indoor CPE's are planned as far
as I know, but it is supposed to pay off in NLOS situations (which is
anecdotal until we can get gear on a tower and test).

There's actually 2 variants of this -- a fixed 802.16e that operates in 3.65, 
and their mobile product that operates in 2.5/2.3

-Charles



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Behalf Of Blake Covarrubias
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

 I'd say the question boils down to who's going to foot the bill for the
deployment -- you or the government =)


With or without government stimulus I'm curious of the lists' general
consensus on whether or not WiMAX is worthwhile investment in this 'war' of
LTE vs WiMAX. Having Uncle Sam foot the bill on a deployment definitely
lowers / removes the financial barrier, but doesn't really matter if
deploying WiMAX is a foolish endeavor from the get-go due to lack of
customer demand or vendors ceasing development.

I believe WiMAX has an opportunity to be commercially viable at least for a
couple of years, and I don't see any reason to not take advantage of that
fact. But, what do I know.

Consider this a question solely for the sake of debate.

--
Blake Covarrubias




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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs. Motorola / 
WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to me that it's like 
comparing something that's hypothetical and looks good on paper and hoping 
that it will actually work

Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will give me a 
Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 -- but has anyone 
actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a profitable business?

Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have had to 
upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact that these systems 
don't scale

The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several thousand 
customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air Network Mesh 
infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million building out

It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP debates from a 
couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free while a Broadsoft platform 
had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of tons of Broadsoft providers who 
support tens of thousands of customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know 
doing it on Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming 
team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was joking to me 
that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot easier to just buy a 
Broadsoft)

I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =)

-Charles




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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

We have successfuly used ubiquiti nano and power stations as injection  
radios for numerous tripod and cisco mesh systems. No problems.  Of  
course I have used canopy for it too- no real difference in the end  
performance.

But there's a huge difference between using a few here and there and relying 
on things as a platform for wide-scale operations

Let's go back to the original thread -- we were talking about how Ubiquiti was 
changing the game with their new $75 AP that does 150 Mb or something (as 
compared to the Alvarion/Motorolas/WiMAX guys of the world who still don't get 
it with their $3/5/10k APs) -- up until now, it's been my experience that this 
is an apples to oranges debate (heck, couldn't I make the same argument that 
belkin or dlink has had a super-N mimo AP for $69 at Best Buy for some time 
now?)

The last guy I know who tried this (actually a WISP with ~5k customers who 
might be reading this thread =) decided to go all-out with Mikrotik -- sure, 
the APs cost $200 or something, but he found that contention limited him to 
20-30 customers / AP, while an slower and 5x more expensive Canopy system 
allowed him to put 100+ customer / AP -- in his case, one of the things that 
factored into the decision was tower rent

Now, this was probably a year ago and things may have changed...

I am not saying that ubiquity / mikrotik aren't good solutions -- we see nice 
applications for such units to fill in gaps or extend the network where 
terrain is challenging and there are pockets of small density (e.g., a 
neighborhood cul-de-sac or something similar with 3 or 4 additional people) -- 
and I'd probably wager that almost every WISP - Canopy/Alvarion/WiMAX/etc has 
deployed a few nanos/locos/etc in such a manner fashion, but that's a far 
different cry than using it as a primary platform of choice for delivering 
service to thousands of subscribers

That being said, if someone has built such a system, please pipe up and share 
your experiences -- I'm always interested in learning how to do things 
better/faster/cheaper...

-Charles

On Dec 30, 2009, at 7:05 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote:

 I find these comparisons of products like Ubiquiti / Mikrotik vs.  
 Motorola / WiMAX products to be somewhat unrealistic -- it seems to  
 me that it's like comparing something that's hypothetical and looks  
 good on paper and hoping that it will actually work

 Here's my question; sure, on paper, the new Ubiquiti WHATEVER will  
 give me a Gazillion Mbps with Beamforming and everything for $10 --  
 but has anyone actually made this stuff work and scaled it into a  
 profitable business?

 Many of the WISPs that I've talked to who gone down this path have  
 had to upgrade / replace / retool their networks due to the fact  
 that these systems don't scale

 The one WISP that I know using Ubiquiti / Mikrotik with several  
 thousand customers is only using them as endpoints on a Bel-Air  
 Network Mesh infrastructure that they spent almost $1 million  
 building out

 It reminds me of the Asterisk vs. Broadsoft / Metaswitch VoIP  
 debates from a couple of years back -- sure, Asterisk was free  
 while a Broadsoft platform had an entry cost of $250k, but I know of  
 tons of Broadsoft providers who support tens of thousands of  
 customers for hosted PBX, and the only guy I know doing it on  
 Asterisk ended up spending over $500k hiring a custom programming  
 team in Russia to rebuild the system for him from scratch (he was  
 joking to me that in hindsight, it would've been cheaper and a lot  
 easier to just buy a Broadsoft)

 I would like to be proven wrong here...so shoot =)

 -Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear - licensed bands btw

Speaking of which, did anyone notice the results of the latest BRS Auction (#86)

Licenses went for an average of $0.03 / MHz POP

That means if 60 MHz covering 100,000 people (as defined by Census 2000 
numbers) would have gone for $180k -- with the small business 35% credit - that 
means a WISP would've paid $117k for that spectrum

While $117k is nothing to sneeze at, it's just worth noting that getting a 
license is not something unreasonable or unobtainable for the small guy

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Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

2010-01-05 Thread Charles Wu

Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for 
service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important 
than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend 
more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. 
Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible 
ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be 
considered. The reduction in support costs isn't an expection, it's a 
reality and requirement in many situations.

When you're working as a startup, labor costs are essentially zero (and if 
you're asian like myself, you can call on your kids/relatives/grandparents to 
work nights and weekends -- the classic Chinese restaurant business model =)

However, when working with employees (and I don't care how smart / hard-working 
/ strong willed you are, there's still only 24 hours in a day) -- labor costs 
become a bigger factor as the organization scales

So this brings up a more interesting debate -- e.g., one-man band / mom-and-pop 
vs. organizational strategy

As an organization, trying to run a WISP with 700 residential customers is a 
complete waste of time, however, as a one-man-band -- an 700 customer WISP can 
be highly profitable

The problem here is that there's a nasty chasm between what the one-man band 
can handle and what an organization needs to support itself (e.g., it doesn't 
scale linearly)

The picture looks more like this

700 customers -- one-man band (or equivalent) -- highly profitable

Then -- they start hiring employees to grow and scale the business

Unfortunately, there's a minimum amount of overhead required, and what was once 
a profitable business is now bleeding red ink and needs to reach 2,000 
customers before things get good again

Which creates an interesting question -- if you're such a WISP, do you just 
stop and sit tight at 700 customers? Or do you go-for-broke by trying to grow?

-Charles


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of jp
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear

On Mon, Jan 04, 2010 at 05:28:49PM -0600, Wallace Walcher wrote:
 Having built my WISP from scratch with my own resources and currently being
 debt free in my operations, I often wonder who the people are who so quickly
 classify Mikrotik and Ubiquity gear as trash.  I am making a very good
 living deploying such trash.

I'm not ashamed of calling their bluff when they say something is 
carrier class, and it's not even released yet and then has firmware 
their either sets the timing wrong to the point of destroying the link 
or doesn't do vlans, and the firmware isn't pulled offline because it's 
the best stuff available.

I've got a couple UBNT M links up and like them, and believe it has a 
future. I just can't put my whole business on the line while they refine 
a product. It is wise and irrestible to try the stuff though.

I've got a downtown network of UBNT 802.11 gear, and the nanos and 
bullets just can't handle the interference as I'd like. It was intended 
to be an upgrade from the breezecom FH gear which was slow but reliable. 
The UBNT is faster, but less reliable in the presence of local 
interference. Now, if someone has an interference problem, we 
immediately swap them over to Alvarion 5.4 gear. It is more expensive, 
but we know we'll never have a service call after it's put in unless it 
gets hit by lightning or the customer wants to upgrade. We would have 
been wise to upgrade straight from the old stuff to 5.4. I'd still 
recommend the UBNT CPE for truly rural use.

Then MT is always making something wonky. A couple years ago, you could 
crash the MT with a SNMP query. Now, if you put an N card in and upgrade 
the firmware in your 433ah to 4.4, you might lose the ethernet ports. I 
stay 1-4 months behind on their firmware because it's a mystery what you 
might get. Changelogs show less than half of what they change. I do like 
them for basic routing and also use their gear for a few links. I think 
it's a step up from UBNT for ptp 802.11 based links. I also like MT 
because it's pretty low power use, which has practical value for solar 
sites or sites needing long battery backup. We don't have the time to 
tinker to use it for everything. We tried 900 with SR9 then XR9 and the 
reliability wasn't there compared to what we were accustomed to with 
Trango and Alvarion. 

Once you get to say 1000+ customers, things like having the staff for 
service calls and time to repair for customers are often more important 
than the brand of radio or the original cost of the radio. We do spend 
more on payroll than radios, despite deploying lots of expensive gear. 
Keeping CPE prices down is appreciated and important, but less tangible 
ongoing management, troubleshooting, and repair costs must also be 
considered. The reduction in support costs

[WISPA] COMMERCE DEPARTMENT'S NTIA AND USDA'S RUS ANNOUNCE ONLINE TOOL FOR PROSPECTIVE BROADBAND STIMULUS APPLICANTS

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Wu

COMMERCE DEPARTMENT'S NTIA AND USDA'S RUS ANNOUNCE ONLINE TOOL FOR PROSPECTIVE 
BROADBAND STIMULUS APPLICANTS

BroadbandMatch Intended to Help Prospective Applicants for Recovery Act 
Funding Find Broadband Project Partners

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: January 7, 2010

NTIA Media Contact:  USDA Media 
Contact:
Jessica Schafer Bartel 
Kendrick
202-482-5670  
202-379-8400

WASHINGTON - The Commerce Department's National Telecommunications and 
Information Administration (NTIA) and the USDA's Rural Utilities Service (RUS) 
today announced the launch of BroadbandMatch, a new online tool to facilitate 
partnerships among prospective applicants to the agencies' broadband grant and 
loan programs. The programs, funded by the American Recovery and Reinvestment 
Act, are intended to expand broadband access and adoption in America, helping 
to bridge the digital divide, create jobs, and stimulate long-term economic 
growth.

BroadbandMatch - at 
http://match.broadbandusa.govhttp://match.broadbandusa.gov/ - allows 
potential applicants to find partners for broadband projects, helping them to 
combine expertise and create stronger proposals. For example, a broadband 
infrastructure provider might partner with community institutions, like 
universities, hospitals, or libraries, on a proposal to bring high-speed 
Internet service to their facilities. Any company, nonprofit, state or local 
government or expert individual interested in applying for funding under NTIA's 
Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP) or RUS's Broadband 
Initiatives Program (BIP) can post a profile, including key information about 
the contribution they can make to a broadband project, as well as search for 
other stakeholders whose skills and resources match their needs.

In the first funding round, many applicants wanted to form partnerships but 
didn't know how best to locate other organizations with similar aims and 
complementary resources, said NTIA Administrator Lawrence E. Strickling. 
BroadbandMatch is a tool to help stakeholders collaborate, which can spur the 
highest caliber, most effective proposals for this crucial Recovery Act 
funding.

It's like a matchmaking service where interested parties can discover each 
other to pursue their mutual interests, said RUS Administrator Jonathan S. 
Adelstein.  It will help in locating community partners and establishing new 
relationships that will foster better broadband service in areas of the country 
that really need it.

RUS and NTIA plan to announce the rules for the final funding round of the BTOP 
and BIP programs in the coming weeks.

BroadbandMatch is a component project in support of the Obama Administration's 
Open Government Initiative, undertaking to bring an innovative, open approach 
to the way the government operates. In launching BroadbandMatch, NTIA and RUS 
are joining agencies across the government in retooling their approach to 
conducting business, to increase transparency, public participation, and 
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Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

2010-01-07 Thread Charles Wu

A precondition to accepting stimulus money is to submit to an annual 3rd party 
CPA audit (which generally costs $10-15k / year) -- he's probably going to lose 
money on the deal...

Oops...

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:36 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding

Hi,

I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten 
with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions.

Travis
Microserv


Matt Larsen - Lists wrote:
 Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS,  was one of the 
 first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money.   Looks like the 
 total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of 
 the other ones.

 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8twD9CLQMJ02


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[WISPA] TESTing - Please Ignore

2010-01-19 Thread Charles Wu

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Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

2010-01-21 Thread Charles Wu

Congrats

Out of curiosity -- was your last mile BIP or BTOP?

-Charles

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Of Michael Baird
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:09 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus

Not sure if anybody else has posted about receiving funds, we just were 
informed yesterday that our middle mile funding was approved. Still 
waiting our our last mile application.

http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2010/01/333_million_federal_grant_to_h.html

Regards
Michael Baird



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Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread Charles Wu

Generally 6GHz, 11GHz, 18GHz, and 23GHz will cost somewhere in the range of
$3k to license depending on how you go about it.  Best course of action is
to always have the company your buying the gear from do the licensing
work... it will usually be cheaper and prevent mistakes.

Wow...$3k?  Assuming $1300 in FCC fees -- that's still $1,700 for licensing 
services

(NOTE TO SELF: time to end that $595 Part 101 licensing promo)

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] BS....was Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

2009-02-03 Thread Charles Wu

38GHz is typically leased from a third party.  18GHz is leased directly from
the FCC.  Typically 38GHz is more expensive over the course of ten years as
opposed to 18GHz, 23GHz, 11GHz 6GHz, etc from the FCC.

Adding onto Brad's point -- 38 GHz falls under owned spectrum (stuff that's 
been auctioned)

Part 101, which is the FCC Rules pertaining to point-to-point microwave 
backhauls, covers primarily 6, 11, 18  23 GHz

-Charles


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Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] BSwas Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?

Out of curiosity. What is the cost to the FCC for a 10 year 38 ghz or an
18ghz license?

Thanks,
John Buwa




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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.

Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here...
http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement
s_Nov30%202008.pdf  So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for
three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end.  Anyways I used
the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways
its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil...

Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is 
profitability (net income) and cash flow

The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned 
$8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008

It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million in 
short term investments

Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the picture 
of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump

So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they are 
now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all their AR 
 liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has ~3 years 
before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money

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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Unfortunately, it's the same as getting a new license...the only difference 
comes in application fees

If it's a BRAND NEW tower with nothing -- you pay the FCC $640 / site for a new 
application
If it's a MODIFICATION to an existing tower with a license -- you pay the FCC 
$240 / site for a major modification

-Charles

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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:42 AM
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On this subject

Charles, others:

Whats the process of making a change to an existing license?  Let say I
wish to move to one tower 1/4 mile away?


Gino A. Villarini
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We are facing two simultaneous issues at some of our sites. I'm sure
we're not the only ones with such dilemas.
1. We've run out of 5.8ghz spectrum. This can be addressed by changing
to 5.4ghz or 3.65ghz for some of the shorter backhauls.
2. The normal 5ghz upto-45mbps stuff isn't fast enough for some of our
links in the near future. Faster 5ghz stuff uses more spectrum; see
dilema 1.

On the low end, to conserve 5.8 spectrum, we've taken out some BA-II
2.4ghz stuff to clean up our spectrum and done 2.4ghz G links on 10mhz
to low end longer distance links such as MT crossroads horizontally
polarized.

On the middle of the scale, we've upgraded some b14/b28 gear to
Trangolink45 to get more speed out of existing links and spectrum.

On the high end, there are some shorter distance 5.8ghz links we could
replace with 5.4, but that sort of investment would only accomplish one
of the goals, which is to preserve 5.8 spectrum. That investment would
not increase our speed at all. If I'm going to replace those links with
an upgrade, it should be substantially faster, and a 24ghz unlicensed
link could accomplish that in many cases.

I'm in a rural area, so I'm not really worried about interference of
24ghz (or any frequency used strictly for ptp). We do have other wisps
using 5.8,2.4,900, and cell and phone companies doing 5.8 backhauls to
contend with. Most of the interference is from ptmp gear of my own and
others, and some from colocated backhaul gear of the other mentioned
sources. 24ghz should be really easy to avoid interference if used
strictly for ptp links.

For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in
order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a
good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that
don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or
faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it.

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 01:21:11PM -0800, John Seaman wrote:
 Thanks Tom,  we're not convinced about 24 GHz... the power limits are
 very low.  We are looking at it but we're trying to size up the 24 GHz

 market before we make the commitment to pursue this frequency.  I do
 know that in Canada there is good demnand for 24 GHz (since licensing
 fees are extremely high) .. but here is the US, the licensing costs
 are so low that most users prefer to go with licensed band.. at least
 that has been our perception of the market so far.  I would like to
 hear others view points on 24 GHz.

 John

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
 Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:13 PM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

  The only reason we don't attach
  it here in the factory is to enable the user the option to use a
  waveguide adapter (instead of the transition) in the event they want

  to connect the ODU to piece of flex waveguide so that it can be used

  with any dish with a waveguide flange.

 Good feature for those who want to upgrade pre-existing installed
 slower
 DS-3 type radios with new state of the art IP, using already installed

 dish.

 As someone who has now used both the Trango and Dragonwave products, I

 can honestly say they are both very fine products, and a buyer
 couldn't possibly go wrong with either purchase decission.  But, we
 have reached a point where a buyer does not HAVE TO accept a
 significant technical compromise anymore
 to gain a better price.   I will not get into a debate of which
 product is
 better, as there are very tiny differences that might be more or
 less preferable dependant on the buyer's application or personal
preference.
 But I will say, Dragonwave will lose sales, if they try to keep their
 price higher, and at minimum are at a stage requiring price matching.
 There was a time that Dragonwave was considered the premium
 product, but today there are many buyers that

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

My personal opinion regarding point-to-point links is that it boils down solely 
to price  technical specifications

When talking about Point-to-Point links (as opposed to a Point-to-Multipoint 
system) -- company sustainability / support (be it Dragonwave vs. Trango) isn't 
really that crucial, given that (1) most WISPs should know how to setup and 
configure their own radios and (2) most point-to-point links sit as a 
self-contained system

To illustrate

1. How much support is really needed on a point-to-point link -- if by now, 
you can't figure out how to install one of these links with at the most some 
basic phone support, then you may need to rethink whether or not you should be 
in the WISP business =)

That said...after an initial learning curve, and assuming that radios are 
properly installed (e.g., grounded, etc) -- point-to-points are generally 
forgotten about in the network

So, say you buy a point-to-point Trango or Dragonwave backhaul -- you install 
it...works fine -- 36 months later Trango or Dragonwave goes completely bankrupt

Who cares? For your next link...go buy a 
Trango/Dragonwave/Ceragon/Harris/Nera/whatever -- the installed link will 
continue to work -- and by then, you'll be looking to upgrade your backhauls 
anyways

-Charles


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Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:38 AM
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From what I gather in this post my synopsis is as follows.

Both Dragonwave and Trango are fine ptp products with small
differences.  Both companies have problems either financially or
historically.

I think the geeks in us care about the products and the operation
managers in us care about the business.  As was said there is no wrong
choice.

Is this a correct statement or am I wrong and where?

On 2/12/09, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote:
Dragonwave did not ship $50mil last year, it
was closer to $40Mil - and by the way they are losing tons of money
quarter-after-quarter.  Trango is, and has always been profitable.

Well you can read Dragonwave's latest financial statement here...
http://www.dragonwaveinc.com/docs/corporate/DragonWave_Financial%20Statement
s_Nov30%202008.pdf  So it does say gross sales was at 30 million CDN for
three quarters... Dragonwave operates on a weird year end.  Anyways I used
the 50 mil from what I was told off the cuff by a Dragonwave rep... anyways
its probably fair to say it is somewhere between 40 and 50 mil...

 Sales mean nothing -- the true test of a company's health and viability is
 profitability (net income) and cash flow

 The numbers you referenced show that Dragonwave loss $3.8 million and burned
 $8.7 million in cash in the last 9 months ended November 2008

 It shows them having $10 million in cash, $10 million in AR and $14 million
 in short term investments

 Reading Dragonwave's financials, while it's not a disaster, paints the
 picture of a start-up company that's trying to get over the hump

 So...assuming a soft economy...where performance is similar to where they
 are now, and from a simplistic perspective, assuming they can collect all
 their AR  liquidate all their investments at market value, Dragonwave has
 ~3 years before they have to turn profitable, sell or raise more money

 -Charles





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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

For one of our busy sites right now, we have two 5ghz links to it in
order to have good speed, as one wasn't enough (and the redundancy was a
good byproduct). I would love a few cost effective 2 mile links that
don't need licensing, doesn't use 5ghz and can do 200mbps actual data or
faster. If 24ghz can do that, we'd take it.

Define cost effective?

You can do 100 mb full duplex RIGHT NOW for under $10k -- includes radios, 
antennas, licensing services

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Charles, Thanks for the prompt response , I was thinking more on
availability.

Say I'm on a crowded area, what would be the chances of not getting
the license?


Hard to say...but keep in mind, we were able to get that license for you after 
Micronet said no-go

That said, even though you have to place a PO, we make it a practice not to 
bill a customer if we are unable to obtain the frequencies for you to license

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

2009-02-17 Thread Charles Wu

A new movement started after Meraki turned to the dark-side a few years ago

Open Mesh Picks Up Where Meraki Left Off
As in, dirt cheap mesh networking gear for communities

A new mesh-networking project by the co-founder of NetEquality and the 
developer of mesh-networking management software might give Meraki a run for 
their money. Well perhaps not, but at least they're taking aim at the low-cost 
Wi-Fi market Meraki targeted before recent business decisions threw their 
original promise off course.
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Open-Mesh-Picks-Up-Where-Meraki-Left-Off-92532

More info on Open Mesh
http://www.open-mesh.com/store/

-Charles

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Subject: [WISPA] Mesh just for kicks

Looking to deploy a small mesh network downtown in a small city just for kicks. 
 Low budget ($4k for ~10 nodes) - just want to get my feet wet and have some 
fun.

I'd charge for the service if it was easy enough to do and it worked good 
enough to justify a cost, otherwise free.  Was hoping there is was a turn-key 
solution (PLEASE don't suggest Mikrotik - I could ask for a recommendation on 
how to remove chest hair and someone will mention MT).  Anyhow, turn-key like 
Meraki advertises would be cool.  How about the Pico2HP - is there a firmware 
that works on those that could mesh?  Very new to mesh - thanks in advance.

`S

PS- Please don't hijack the thread defending how great MT is and how it can 
save the world etc.. not bashing, just want plug+play which != MT.  (:



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Re: [WISPA] LinkedIn

2009-03-01 Thread Charles Wu

I'm on both, but I personally have a preference for facebook (easier to use, 
IMO)

-Charles

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Make sure to join the WISPA group

http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=148770

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Is anyone around here on LinkedIn?   I just got signed up a few days
ago, and it may have benefits for your businesses. It works a little bit
like Facebook, but is much more business oriented.

John

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Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

2009-03-21 Thread Charles Wu

Hi Marlon,

In no particular order, here's a list of some of the more popular ISP/WISP 
billing packages that we see in the market

Platypus/Tucows
PowerCode
Rodopi
BillMax
Freeside
Emerald / IEA Software

Every package has their strengths and weaknesses -- ultimately, it comes down 
to personal preference and business processes to see what's a best fit

Whatever it is that you end up with...be sure to check out ip pay 
(www.ippay.com) for your back-end payments =)

-Charles

P.S. -- in all seriousness -- QuickBooks does a really good job of hosing 
merchants (especially ISPs) on their payment processing -- we actually just 
helped another ISP/WISP pay for a new billing system with the $400 / month we 
were saving when they switched from QuickBooks Merchant Services to IP Pay

-Original Message-
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Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 9:52 AM
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Cc: memb...@wispa.org; Odessa Office 509-982-2181
Subject: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

Hi All,

I just got a notice that Quickbooks is going to REQUIRE an upgrade in order
to continue to keep sending out bills via email.  And we have all of 1 month
or so to get it done  I HATE Intuit and would like to replace them.

Here's the work flow in our office.

New customer calls in.
Fill out signup sheet with all needed customer data.
Assign static ip to customer.
Enter customer billing info into Quickbooks.
Enter all customer data into Access.
Enter customer username and pass into RADIUS.
Enter customer email account(s) data into email server.
Enter customer data into Postini (if they purchase the filtering).
Type customer signup sheet info into word doc and store in customer folder.
Generate installation work order.
Fill out check list showing what steps have been completed.

This has worked nicely in the past and only takes about 30 minutes to
accomplish.  But now we're growing too fast and have gotten too big to
maintain this.  Between tech support calls etc. the office manager is having
to bring in extra help.  It's only a day per week and it's good for there to
be two people there at least part of the time.  No one should work alone all
of the time.  Plus, if she wants to take some time off she will have someone
trained in the basics so we'll likely need to keep some extra help around no
matter what.  This mechanism also gives us a lot of double checks, redundant
data points etc.  With Access and Quickbooks we can run a very nice mix of
reports etc.

We do NOT have a customer trouble ticket mechanism other than the file on
them.  We don't track customers on a per call basis.  That's not too bad
because we're still small enough that we can normally remember problem
customers.

This would probably be a good time to change everything though.

In my perfect world, I'd have a billing system (that handles all of the
taxes for different communities etc.), trouble ticketing, auto server
configuration AND deconfig.  I'd want good reporting capabilities.

I've looked at some of the commercial systems out there, but at $1 or more
per month per sub for a full blown system I'd rather keep putting that money
into the local labor pool.

Freeside looks pretty good but I don't do programming or server admin work
in-house.  I don't mind hiring someone to set it all up etc. and to take
care of the server.  But it has to be an affordable solution too.

What are people using?  Do you like it?

If you had it to do all over again, what would you do?

Vendors please feel free to hit me up.
marlon
509.988.0260
Or talk to Apryl in the office 509.982.2181, she'll know more about what she
does day in and day out.




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Re: [WISPA] ISP billing/management software.

2009-03-21 Thread Charles Wu

As for merchant services, we have a very nice system in place through our
local bank.  We're quite happy with it and we're getting very good rates.

Good for you

Remember, credit card rates are all based upon fraud  risk (e.g., a swiped 
card has a lower transaction rate than a phone order / keyed card) -- that 
said, there are specific rate structures that were implemented about 4-5 years 
ago to account for the fact that ISP/Telco/CableCos bill the same people every 
month and that they have extremely low chargebacks

Your bank (and I'd say 99% of the credit card industry) doesn't differentiate 
between this and I can say with 100% certainty that you're being labeled as an 
Internet/Ecommerce provider.

Additionally, to take advantage of this rate structure, Visa/MC require the 
implementation of enhanced data requirements; this can only occur with direct 
integration into a billing platform (e.g., need to get rid of the gateway)

We've engaged over 300 service providers since the summer, and in EVERY 
SCENARIO, we have been able to properly reclassify them to take advantage of 
the recurring ISP/Telco/Cableco rates and reduce their payment processing fees 
by 10-40%

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Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Charles Wu

Fair enough -- so say you're in the sticks...and you pay $400 / Mb
Chances are...the nearest fiber / colo facility that's $50 / Mb is now 100+ 
miles away -- 100+ miles of wireless infrastructure + associated hardware 
investments / maintenance expenses / etc still cost more than the cost savings 
of $50 / Mb

-Charles

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Of J. Vogel
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

Charles,

I would love to live in the world you describe here.  :)

Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It also
seems very optimistic to put 1000 customers on a 20mb link. At best, I
would think that if they are consuming ~20mbps, that you should have at
least twice that in capacity, so that means a full DS3, and the best
pricing I have gotten on a DS3 is in excess of $6k (and getting to that
requires a 25 mile wireless hop).  In many areas of the country,
$300-400/mbps is the rule for Nx/T1s.

John

Charles Wu wrote:
 Hi Hal,

 In the grand scheme of things...bandwidth / port costs are a minute fraction 
 of an ISP/WISPs operating expenses (heck, I find that for a residential 
 WISP...the credit card processing bill can be higher than the bandwidth bill)

 That said, look at it this way

 Based on our studies/trending...1,000 residential subscribers consume ~20 Mb 
 of bandwidth

 So...1,000 customers @ $40 / month = $40k / month in revenue
 If you're getting hosed and paying $200 / Mb, that's still only $4k / month

 Now...say there's a datacenter 40 miles away that has bandwidth for $50 / Mb 
 -- that's a total of $3k / month in savings





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Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

2009-03-22 Thread Charles Wu

I guess I still forget that not everyone is on 95th percentile billing

-Charles

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Of George Rogato
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 11:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cost of bandwidth

Agreed we have a tad more than a 1000 wireless subs and we hit our cap
nightly @ 30megs. And I try like hell to avoid the power users.

J. Vogel wrote:
 Charles,

 I would love to live in the world you describe here.  :)

 Bandwidth cost dwarfs credit card processing cost where I live. It also
 seems very optimistic to put 1000 customers on a 20mb link. At best, I
 would think that if they are consuming ~20mbps, that you should have at
 least twice that in capacity, so that means a full DS3, and the best
 pricing I have gotten on a DS3 is in excess of $6k (and getting to that
 requires a 25 mile wireless hop).  In many areas of the country,
 $300-400/mbps is the rule for Nx/T1s.

 John

 Charles Wu wrote:
 Hi Hal,

 In the grand scheme of things...bandwidth / port costs are a minute fraction 
 of an ISP/WISPs operating expenses (heck, I find that for a residential 
 WISP...the credit card processing bill can be higher than the bandwidth bill)

 That said, look at it this way

 Based on our studies/trending...1,000 residential subscribers consume ~20 Mb 
 of bandwidth

 So...1,000 customers @ $40 / month = $40k / month in revenue
 If you're getting hosed and paying $200 / Mb, that's still only $4k / month

 Now...say there's a datacenter 40 miles away that has bandwidth for $50 / Mb 
 -- that's a total of $3k / month in savings

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Re: [WISPA] Colocation

2009-03-23 Thread Charles Wu

Hi Travis,

I know a few adult guys that will push anything you give them would be thrilled 
to meet you and your unlimited plan at $75 / month / server =)

-Charles

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
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Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:51 PM
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Unlimited = no limit. We have 465Mbps to the internet backbone via three OC3's. 
We provide a UPS with a generator backup, an A/C controlled room, an ethernet 
port, and unlimited bandwidth. We figure our outgoing traffic is free, 
because we currently run at 75% incoming bandwidth vs outgoing. Power for a 
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Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links

2009-03-29 Thread Charles Wu

It's my understanding that 24 GHz is priced pretty close to 23 GHz (~$10-15k / 
link depending on antennas / configuration / etc) -- so unless you're in the 
Canada, I don't see why anyone wouldn't just pay the extra $2k to get a FCC 
license

-Charles

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Whats the price for this link?

Scott Carullo
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 Original Message 
 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:43 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
 
 I am now. I learned that yesterday, after reading manual, and some list 
 discussion on members list.
 Yes, the problem was I had the radios set to same polarity, and with 
24Ghz 
 one side needs to be vert and the other horizonal, because they send and 

 receive on different pols.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:32 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
 
 
  Are you cross polarizing?
 
 
  Gino A. Villarini
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  tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145
 
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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
On
  Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 5:32 PM
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  Subject: Re: [WISPA] 24ghz links
 
  Randy,
 
  24Ghz is sometimes thought of as interference free, based on its
  approximate
  1.5 degree beamwidth at 2ft, and about 2.6 degree beamwidth at 1ft 
dish.
  The dragonwave works on 40mhz channels and allows setting to one of 
two
  channels sets (A 24078500 tx and 24173829 rx, or B 124126170 tx 
24221500
  rx) And then you have polarity diversity.
  The antennas have about a -68 F/B ratio, so getting channel reuse at a
  tower is pretty doable.
  Currently there is not alot of noise out there, because there weren't 
a
  lot of products out there, and most people that were willing to spend
  the money for high end gear, were willing to buy 23Ghz licenses.
  But it doesn't mean its going to stay that way. For us it has worked
  pretty well.
 
  I will say... I've had a hard time getting one of my 24Ghz links
  Dragonwave links to reach target RSSI, I'm about 15db off. I think its 
a
  problem with one of the antennas, but I haven't figured it out yet.
  With 1-5db low power, its less forgiving on the link budget, if
  something is wrong to hurt the link budget. Rain fade is high.
 
  Tom DeReggi
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  IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
 
 
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  Sent: Friday, March 27, 2009 4:08 PM
  Subject: [WISPA] 24ghz links
 
 
  I'm considering a 24ghz link for a 3 mile shot.  The path calcs all
  work
  fine for our use, climate, etc.
 
  I'm interested in hearing first from anyone who has used 24 gigahertz
  radios (dragonwave most likely).  Have you had any interference
  issues?
  Any recommendations on what to check for besides the clear LOS before
  putting something like this up? How far should you be away from other
  24gig towers?   I thought I had read that the beam was so narrow,
  interference was quite rare, but wanted to hear some real life
  experiences.
 
  Thanks!
 
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Re: [WISPA] getting up to speed on various PtP microwave solutions

2009-04-05 Thread Charles Wu

Hi Rogelio,

What specifically are you looking for?  The only difference from 
micro/milli-meter wave (e.g., 10+ GHz) and standard unlicensed wireless is rain 
fade
Do you want an explanation on that?

-Charles

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Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009 11:01 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] getting up to speed on various PtP microwave solutions

I've just recently started becoming familiar with the various microwave 
e band PtP solutions (Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Gigabeam, Loea, Trango, 
Proxim, etc). Before this, I knew nothing about things like rain fade or 
the various characteristics of bands in that range.

Does anyone know of any good tutorials for this sort of thing?  In other 
words, say I have a project with various high capacity PtP requirements 
and need to find the right technology and vendor.

Any suggestions on where I'd go to start?



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Re: [WISPA] getting up to speed on various PtP microwave solutions

2009-04-06 Thread Charles Wu

Hi Daniel,

It's probably a nice general overview... but some things are missing/wrong:

The rules have changed over the last 5 years since the articles were written

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Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE

2009-04-10 Thread Charles Wu

Hey Matt,

You're back?  Or do you just need a break from changing diapers?

-Charles

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Of mlio...@r337.com
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 7:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 10 GigE

 All the hard core routing and switching experts I know laugh when
 someone suggests Cisco.

 Cisco is like the WalMart of networking equipment.  If you need
 something, chances are that they have something there that will mostly
 do what it is that you need.  But if you need something for some
 specialized need, then chances are you need to go to Juniper, Foundry,
 Nortel, etc.

Of course if you had sent the above to the NANOG list they would be
laughing at you. Cisco and Juniper alone are the reining champs of the
high-end routing world. Foundry and Nortel are simply not even considered.
Right now, the Cisco CRS-1 is considered the best equipment available.

Regardless, talking about super high-end routers when Mike is only looking
for a few 10 GigE ports is silly. A Cisco 6500/7600 with sup720-3bxl along
with your 10 GigE card of choice is typically what is deployed today.
There is a newer option from Cisco using one of the ASR series routers.
Those will cost you roughly $25k to get started in any reasonable
configuration. Whereas the sup720-3bxl option will likely cost you only
$25k well equiped with a variety of ports. I would guess a sup720-3bxl
platform with 48 10/100/1000 ports, 48 SFP ports, and 4 10 GigE ports
would run about $30k used.

It is worth noting that the sup720-3bxl has enough TCAM to support up to 1
million routes and has a backplane that can support 720Gbps.

-Matt



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Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed

2009-04-10 Thread Charles Wu

I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however.   I've 
got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but 
only put out about 18-25meg at those distances.   That's enough for me, 
but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that 
within that narrow definition, a PTP600 would be better than a licensed 
link.

Make no mistake, the PTP600, even though it's almost 5 years old, is still one 
(if not the) best UL radio on the market from a pure technological perspective 
-- no other radio has it's combination of 1024FFT OFDM, Space-Time-Coding, 
MIMO, etc

Makes you wonder what planet Motorola / Orthogon raided to get the engineers 
who built that radio =)

And I'm sure many on the list can attest to the wonderful things that a PTP600 
does / can do

However, the discussion has to come back to the reality that we don't work for 
the government (and can't print money or write stimulus bills on a whim), and 
as a result, have to figure out a way to make a buck so we can feed the dog, 
buy gas, pay for those ski trips in Utah...

That said, we get back to bang for buck or good enough

True, the PTP600 will generally work for all scenarios, but it's akin to 
killing a bug with a nuclear warhead -- it's a lot more cost effective (and 
there's less collateral damage) if you just step on it with your shoe

So, for the 1% of times when you need to shoot 50+ miles while bouncing off 2 
different mountains, the PTP600 will be your best bet

But for the other 90% of the time, when you have a 10-20 mile shot and want 
something that reliable, carrier-class, and interference / spectrum isn't an 
issue, many are using Mikrotiks / StarOS / Trango Atlas / name your own cheap 
but decent proprietary Atheros-based system out there

Now, I'm personally extremely cheap, but the argument is over because you can't 
just look at up-front price because long-term cost is just as (if not more) 
important when talking about WISP networks

That said, being a slow day, it's worth exercising one's mind to analyze 
possible what-if alternative situations -- bear with me here and follow my 
logic here...

The MOST VALUABLE ASSET of any WISP is HIGH POWER MULTIPOINT SPECTRUM (b/c 
ultimately, it's the only thing that generates revenue, and like it or not, the 
#1 determinant in valuing a WISP, or any business for the matter, is EBITDA)

In optimal conditions, there's 125 MHz of clean spectrum (6 channels)
Assuming you can make $5k / month per AP (or channel) -- as spectrum gets 
limited, the decision will ultimately boil down to

1. Pay $2k for a cheap Atheros based backhaul to bring 30 Mb to your tower and 
lose 1 channel (or $5k / month in revenue)

2. Run that backhaul in turbo mode, get 50 Mb at your tower, and now lose 2 
channels (or $10k / month in revenue)

3. Pay an extra $10k for a LICENSED BACKHAUL that frees up more spectrum for 
multipoint, and never have to worry about interference on your backhaul ever 
again -- and make an extra $5-10k / month b/c you can add more customers on 
your tower

Some food for thought =)

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP

2009-04-10 Thread Charles Wu

Which begs an interesting point -- how much revenue / AP?

I would think $5k / month for a 20 MHz chunk of 5.8 spectrum, while a bit on 
the higher side, isn't an unreasonable goal

Using Canopy...you have 14 Mb aggregate

Selling for $50 / month residential -- that's 100 customers sharing 14 Mb
Splitting between $100 / month business and $50 / month residential (for better 
traffic shaping) -- that's now

20 business customers during the day time (8-5)
60 residential customers in the afternoon / evening (4-12)

Now obviously, there will always be places where you're shooting into a hole, 
or there aren't that many homes / business being covered, blah blah blah blah 
-- but I don't think $5k / month / AP is an unreasonable goal

Thoughts? Comments?

-Charles

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Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed


This has been an outstanding thread I have enjoyed reading - and learned a 
bit in the process...  thanks.

I'll just add that while we are trying to keep the numbers trained to a 
common wisp - either you guys have a lucky horse shoe or achieving a 
$5000/mo revenue on one ap is a bit outside the avg...  At least for 
discussion sake.  But - even at 1/5th of that your argument still holds 
true for the most part.  Its just that you add in 900mhz (not as common) 
and all the lower power 5Ghz spectrum available now, 2.4Ghz etc and also 
mention you can run MT stuff on 10Mhz channels and you just effectively 
doubled your options based on what type of clients you are servicing etc... 
 Then theres radios that have GPS sync for spectrum reuse etc and the 
conversation starts to get a lot more complex :)

But, in any case this has been an eye-opening discussion...  

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

 Original Message 
 From: Charles Wu 
IMCEAEX-_O=CTI_OU=EXCHANGE+20ADMINISTRATIVE+20GROUP+20+28FYDIBOHF23SPDLT+29
_cn=recipients_cn=char...@converge-tech.com
 Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 2:47 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed
 
 I do see Travis's point about the longer range shots, however.   I've 
 got a 35, 45 and 65 mile shots with StarOS and they work just fine but 
 only put out about 18-25meg at those distances.   That's enough for me, 

 but I can see where you would want more capacity and I suppose that 
 within that narrow definition, a PTP600 would be better than a licensed 

 link.
 
 Make no mistake, the PTP600, even though it's almost 5 years old, is 
still one (if not the) best UL radio on the market from a pure 
technological perspective -- no other radio has it's combination of 1024FFT 
OFDM, Space-Time-Coding, MIMO, etc
 
 Makes you wonder what planet Motorola / Orthogon raided to get the 
engineers who built that radio =)
 
 And I'm sure many on the list can attest to the wonderful things that a 
PTP600 does / can do
 
 However, the discussion has to come back to the reality that we don't 
work for the government (and can't print money or write stimulus bills on a 
whim), and as a result, have to figure out a way to make a buck so we can 
feed the dog, buy gas, pay for those ski trips in Utah...
 
 That said, we get back to bang for buck or good enough
 
 True, the PTP600 will generally work for all scenarios, but it's akin to 
killing a bug with a nuclear warhead -- it's a lot more cost effective (and 
there's less collateral damage) if you just step on it with your shoe
 
 So, for the 1% of times when you need to shoot 50+ miles while bouncing 
off 2 different mountains, the PTP600 will be your best bet
 
 But for the other 90% of the time, when you have a 10-20 mile shot and 
want something that reliable, carrier-class, and interference / spectrum 
isn't an issue, many are using Mikrotiks / StarOS / Trango Atlas / name 
your own cheap but decent proprietary Atheros-based system out there
 
 Now, I'm personally extremely cheap, but the argument is over because you 
can't just look at up-front price because long-term cost is just as (if not 
more) important when talking about WISP networks
 
 That said, being a slow day, it's worth exercising one's mind to analyze 
possible what-if alternative situations -- bear with me here and follow 
my logic here...
 
 The MOST VALUABLE ASSET of any WISP is HIGH POWER MULTIPOINT SPECTRUM 
(b/c ultimately, it's the only thing that generates revenue, and like it or 
not, the #1 determinant in valuing a WISP, or any business for the matter, 
is EBITDA)
 
 In optimal conditions, there's 125 MHz of clean spectrum (6 channels)
 Assuming you can make $5k / month per AP (or channel) -- as spectrum gets 
limited, the decision will ultimately boil down to
 
 1. Pay $2k for a cheap Atheros based backhaul to bring 30 Mb to your 
tower and lose 1 channel (or $5k

Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP

2009-04-11 Thread Charles Wu

Hi Greg,

The issue with VoIP over shared wireless is contention for time slots -- which 
translates into jitter and pps 

-Charles

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:00 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic 
-- customers / AP

With VoIP is it really a bandwidth issue or is it a latency issue? My  
experience is mostly with Skype and not SIP/H323 but what I've seen is  
that the bandwidth consumed isn't very high but the latency makes it  
or breaks it.

Greg

On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:54 AM, Scott Carullo wrote:


 Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more  
 than a
 dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and  
 providing
 quality voip services.

 5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does.  Its a  
 tough
 market here with lots of competition.  VoIP gets a bit hairy over  
 about 12
 customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw.  We have lots of APs /  
 Towers
 :)

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102

  Original Message 
 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
 Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 12:11 AM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed -  
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Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic -- customers / AP

2009-04-11 Thread Charles Wu

Even in the most competitive urban markets, if you're selling VoIP + Data as a 
combined offering, I'd bet that your ARPU is at least $200+ / month

Heck, from our experience, we find that voice revenues are generally 2-4x data 
revenues -- so if a business is paying $75 / month for a business connection, 
they will probably spend $150-250 / month on VoIP (for business, say we assume 
an average of $30 / handset -- that's 5-10 handsets)

So, say you have 15 business customers at $200 / month, and 20 residential 
customers at $50 / month for the evenings

You're still @ $4k / AP

Or, since we're ultimately talking channels -- with GPS synchronization, it's 
possible to put a minimum of 2 APs / channel (and if you're on a building in an 
urban environment, you could be stupid like us and put 4 APs on a single 
channel =)

In this scenario, the value per channel of LEGAL high-power unlicensed spectrum 
keeps going up

-Charles

P.S. -- care to share your numbers? I only have personal data to go by...and I 
in range? Or way off?

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Of Scott Carullo
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 1:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] High Throughput Licensed vs. Unlicensed - change of topic 
-- customers / AP


Or AP/subscriber ratio is super low where we dont usually have more than a 
dozen or so but this is necessary for selling optimal speed and providing 
quality voip services.

5MB speeds to our customers doesn't impress them, 10-20 does.  Its a tough 
market here with lots of competition.  VoIP gets a bit hairy over about 12 
customers on an ap pulling that kind of bw.  We have lots of APs / Towers 
:)

Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102

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Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test to me please... - OFFLIST

2009-05-15 Thread Charles Wu

You're using Nlayer these days?

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Matt Liotta
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 6:53 AM
To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] I need a few people to run a bandwidth test to me please...

[~]# wget http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
--07:49:09--  http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
= `dummy.zip'
Connecting to 208.65.55.55:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 63,375,843 (60M) [application/zip]

100% 
[= 
= 
]  
63,375,843 4.08M/sETA 00:00

07:49:21 (5.14 MB/s) - `dummy.zip' saved [63375843/63375843]

[~]# wget http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip
--07:49:33--  http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip
= `dummy.zip.1'
Connecting to 64.128.251.33:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 63,375,843 (60M) [application/zip]

100% 
[= 
= 
]  
63,375,843 2.42M/sETA 00:00

07:49:58 (2.41 MB/s) - `dummy.zip.1' saved [63375843/63375843]

[~]# traceroute 64.128.251.33
traceroute to 64.128.251.33 (64.128.251.33), 30 hops max, 38 byte  
packets
  1  66.187.180.9 (66.187.180.9)  0.379 ms  0.342 ms  0.224 ms
  2  ge3-43.ar1.atl1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.135.65)  0.500 ms  0.481 ms   
0.359 ms
  3  ae0.cr1.atl1.us.nlayer.net (69.31.135.129)  0.293 ms  0.281 ms   
0.221 ms
  4  xe-0-1-0.cr2.iad1.us.nlayer.net (69.22.142.106)  13.458 ms   
16.902 ms  13.460 ms
  5  eqix.asbn.twtelecom.net (206.223.115.36)  14.210 ms  14.403 ms   
14.194 ms
  6  66.192.243.164 (66.192.243.164)  24.834 ms  24.774 ms  24.831 ms
  7  64.128.251.33 (64.128.251.33)  26.691 ms  26.759 ms  26.943 ms

On May 14, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Scott Carullo wrote:


 Just download a file via http from our web server at
 http://208.65.55.55/dummy.zip
 and then
 http://64.128.251.33/dummy.zip

 Then email me with how fast each went and a traceroute from you to  
 just one
 of the servers please (they take same route).

 If you are not capable of downloading at 20MB on the Internet then  
 the data
 is not too useful for me...

 Thank you I appreciate your time and assistance.

 Scott Carullo
 Brevard Wireless
 321-205-1100 x102



 
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Re: [WISPA] older dragonwave airpair 100

2009-05-15 Thread Charles Wu

I have power supplies (plenty of those 48 VDC power bricks actually)

Ping me offline

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:25 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] older dragonwave airpair 100

Looking for power supplies, 2' antennas for a rev. 2 Dragonwave AirPair 
100, 23ghz link.  Anybody have some collecting dust? 

-- 
Randy Cosby
Vice President
InfoWest, Inc

work: 435-773-6071
email: rco...@infowest.com

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[WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-21 Thread Charles Wu

With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been approached 
by a multitude of third party financial organizations that have a renewed 
interest in potentially financing rural broadband...now, specifically, for 
WISPs, in the past, equipment leasing has been a very popular option for 
financing, but in looking at our numbers over the past year, I've noticed a 
marked decline in the amount of leasing that we do - that said, I have the 
following questions for the listserv about financing

Assuming that WISPs are still need to buy equipment...

1.  Are you able to just purchase equipment out of cash-flow organically 
generated from operations
2.  Have you gone to more traditional forms of money (e.g., bank / SBA / 
RUS loans)?
3.  Are you doing more vendor leasing programs (e.g., Motorola 3% financing 
deal)
4.  Have you not been able to borrow money due to the credit crunch (e.g., 
not deploying as aggressively)
5.  Are you holding off on deployments because of the economy
6.  Have you gone to Agility...cough Louie the loanshark =)

Or any other thoughts / comments on this topic?

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Congressman Wants to Ban Download Caps

2009-05-21 Thread Charles Wu

People read the comments, its scary, like this one...

Internet providing is like having an infinite tank of free water. ISP's pay
for the pipes to get it to your house. You pay them based on the size of the
pipe. Now they want to charge you based on the amount of free water you use
each month. Does that seem logical or fair?

Technically...if you're the size of Comcast/ATT/Verizon...bandwidth is free 
because everything is on-net or done through peering arrangement

But it still doesn't address the cost of transport (which is ultimately the 
dilemma we all face)

Perhaps the better way to market is unlimited free all you can eat Internet

Fine print: BYOT (Bring Your Own Transport) -- just figure out a way to get 
from Hole-in-the-ground-surrounded-by-trees, Kansas to Equinix Chicago and you 
can have all the Internet Bandwidth you'd ever need...oh? you need transport, 
well sir, that'll be $900 setup fee, $59.95 / month and $1 / GB =)

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Charles Wu

I've never found a lender willing to lend against using the in-place used 
equipment as colladeral.
It is the biggest double standard.
I find it highly ironic that they'll use a car for colladeral that looses 
50% of its value the day it leaves the lot, and has a rate of failure and 
risk of damage higher than just about any product on the market, and it has 
a huge cash burn (gas :-). but yet lendors won't put equivellent value on 
wireless gear, that holds its value, Ebay boasting easilly 50% after 3-4 
years of use, even after fully depreciated.
I'll never understand the lending market.

The big difference is that a car loan is tied to your personal credit, just 
like a credit card, and very few are going to borrow $1 million for a car 
(while plenty here could easily use $1 million for their network)

FWIW, every industry specific vertical (e.g., restaurants, medical devices, 
manufacturing etc) has the same problem when it comes down to infrastructure 
financing -- traditional lenders won't finance business-specific machinery -- 
rather, they only use stuff they know as collateral (e.g., real estate, cash 
flow)

That said, when it comes down to cash flow, it's worth analyzing and 
understanding that most ISPs (specifically facilities based ones) are probably 
pretty short on cash flow given the fact that

1. the business is based upon a recurring subscription model where I invest 
(e.g., in CPE) to earn a residual contract (e.g., $50 / month service)
2. ISPs are generally cash-poor due to the fact that excess cash flow usually 
gets reinvested into the business (more infrastructure)

An argument could be made that the most valuable assets of an ISP are the 
recurring contracts / revenue / etc -- and that's something that financial 
institutions understand (e.g., receivables / factoring) and ultimately, that's 
what an ISP is worth (some multiple of MRC)

That said, I wonder if a case be made on financing secured by monthly recurring 
revenue...thoughts?

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Charles Wu

Lease, lease, lease.

Agreed that leasing is a great option, but in looking at my numbers these past 
few months, I've noticed that the amount of leasing that we do is a fraction of 
what we used to do 12 months ago (if it wasn't for the Motorola 3% program, I 
don't think we'd be doing any leasing) - part of it is because many of our 
leasing vendors aren't leasing anymore (e.g., GE Capital), but given that 
infrastructure sales haven't dropped off that much in this economy (in fact, 
our March numbers for 2009 were BETTER than our March 2008 numbers), I'm trying 
to understand why people who may have leased in the past no longer seem to be 
leasing (obviously, you're still leasing away so this question doesn't apply to 
you =)...

So if you were leasing 12 months ago, but no longer are, Is it because


1.   The economy sucks and you're not buying new equipment?

2.   The economy is fine, you want to lease equipment but can't get 
approved?

3.   The economy is fine, but you're making so much money that you no 
longer need to lease equipment?

Just curiosity on my side

-Charles





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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-22 Thread Charles Wu

Well Gino, it looks you're buying ski tickets next time =)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 3:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

Option 3

Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Charles Wu
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 4:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital
Availability

Lease, lease, lease.

Agreed that leasing is a great option, but in looking at my numbers
these past few months, I've noticed that the amount of leasing that we
do is a fraction of what we used to do 12 months ago (if it wasn't for
the Motorola 3% program, I don't think we'd be doing any leasing) - part
of it is because many of our leasing vendors aren't leasing anymore
(e.g., GE Capital), but given that infrastructure sales haven't dropped
off that much in this economy (in fact, our March numbers for 2009 were
BETTER than our March 2008 numbers), I'm trying to understand why people
who may have leased in the past no longer seem to be leasing (obviously,
you're still leasing away so this question doesn't apply to you =)...

So if you were leasing 12 months ago, but no longer are, Is it because

1.   The economy sucks and you're not buying new equipment?

2.   The economy is fine, you want to lease equipment but can't get
approved?

3.   The economy is fine, but you're making so much money that you
no longer need to lease equipment?

Just curiosity on my side

-Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-05-23 Thread Charles Wu

 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

 - Original Message - 
 From: rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 1:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital 
 Availability

 Answers in-line.

 insert witty tagline here

 - Original Message - 
 From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:49 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

 With all the hype being generated by the stimulus bill, we have been
 approached by a multitude of third party financial organizations that
 have
 a renewed interest in potentially financing rural broadband...now,
 specifically, for WISPs, in the past, equipment leasing has been a 
 very
 popular option for financing, but in looking at our numbers over the 
 past
 year, I've noticed a marked decline in the amount of leasing that we 
 do -
 that said, I have the following questions for the listserv about
 financing

 Assuming that WISPs are still need to buy equipment...

 1. Are you able to just purchase equipment out of cash-flow 
 organically
 generated from operations

 Other than originally starting with our own personal seed money, that's
 what
 we've done.

 2. Have you gone to more traditional forms of money (e.g., bank / SBA 
 /
 RUS loans)?

 I could not qualify for any of them.

 3. Are you doing more vendor leasing programs (e.g., Motorola 3%
 financing
 deal)

 Never sought any.

 4. Have you not been able to borrow money due to the credit crunch 
 (e.g.,
 not deploying as aggressively)

 My corporation hasn't ever been able to obtain hard money credit.In
 fact, the credit crunch start last Fall raised my 30+ day past due
 amount from a piddly $1200 to at one time to almost $13,000 in just 
 four
 months.   That almost put us under, and we're still barely scraping by
 until
 our seasonally variable cash flow revives come August, with still 
 several
 thousand on the books that's very slowly getting chipped away at.

 5. Are you holding off on deployments because of the economy

 No, we're holding off due to lack of cash flow.   We have plenty of 
 people
 waiting for us to build infrastructure out to them.

 6. Have you gone to Agility...cough Louie the loanshark =)

 After much discussion, being some of the first people Agility 
 contacted,
 we
 have not done any business with them.   In my estimation, they wanted
 control over our business and day to day decisions, which we concluded 
 was
 both unwarranted and unwise.

 Or any other thoughts / comments on this topic?

 WISP equipment is not really a commodity in that there is almost no
 market
 for it outside of the maker-vendor relationship.  Other than Ebay, 
 and a
 couple of people who attempt to do it piecemeal, there is no market
 which
 stabilizes the value of used equipment, making them a commodity you can
 borrow against.

 Perhaps it would be more useful, if vendors had the ability to get 
 capital
 and create stable working and short term credit relationships with 
 their
 buyers, kind of like the used car market.

 -Charles

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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

All I can say is if you are holding back on doing more installs because you 
can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. Once that 
customer is installed with something else (DSL, Cable, competitor), it's 10x 
harder to get them to switch to you. You have to get the customers NOW.

Now that's a more interesting discussion

What's the business plan for customer acquisition?  Do you still keep building 
out into unserved areas (e.g., first to market)?

At this point, I would guess that most areas have competition - so then is the 
business model based upon arbitraging attrition and moves?

e.g., the average American moves every 7 years - so that means 12% of the 
population is available yearly as a new customer

So, say you have 5,000 customers in a market of 100,000

You'll churn 1%  / month (50) - but there's a market of new adds of 1,000 
customers every month due to just organic moving activity...so assuming 20% 
market share, market equilibrium would be 20,000 subscribers

Not necessarily a bad thing =)

That said, I'd be curious to talk about secret sauce methods to convert 
customers from the competition

-Charles



Charles Wu wrote:

Hi Scott,



Regarding debt...I've found that there's a scale inflection point in running 
a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be reached -- the main 
purpose for taking on debt (because due to interest, you end up paying more in 
the longer term instead of buying cash), is to accelerate growth so one can 
progress beyond this point



e.g., if you can organically fund 30 new installs a month with cash, if you 
take on debt, you could leverage yourself and now do 100 installs / month



Now, from a business perspective -- in looking at the WISP



As a stand-alone sustainable business -- it costs a minimum of about $30k / 
month to operate a small WISP -- now, I'll argue that that $30k/month in 
operations remains relatively constant and whether it's supporting 300, 800 or 
1500 customers -- however, at 300 customers, the business is bleeding cash...at 
800 customers the business is just about at a break-even, and at 1500 
customers, the business is a cash machine



-Charles



-Original Message-

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed

Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:20 PM

To: WISPA General List

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability



So I will take option 4 from a previous post since Travis made the point.

Up to 60 months with $1 buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan.

I want to run debt free as soon a possible.  That being the case I don't

lease and have not leased to keep debt down.  I do have a start-up loan

that is being paid on a little slower than I would like, but we have

paid off 1/2 of it in  5 years and based on our payments, we are cash

flow positive.

Granted, my WISP is a lot smaller than many that post here and our

growth rate is small, but some of that is managing growth to stay

cash-flow positive.

I have seen several companies die because they became cash rich, but

still could not cover the debt.



Travis Johnson wrote:



The banks can sell a car with little effort. They already have

relationships with dealers and auctions. And often, if the consumer's

credit is questionable, the dealer will guarantee to take the car back

if the loan defaults.



Who is going to buy a $10,000 radio that has been repo'd? Even for

$5k, I wouldn't touch it. I'd buy a new radio with warranty, that I

know is good and hasn't been fried or broken.



The banks will never loan on the equipment alone. There is no security

there... but again, why do you need a bank loan for equipment when you

can just lease it and get the same results? Up to 60 months with $1

buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan. What's the difference?



Travis

Microserv



Tom DeReggi wrote:



Maybe when talking about CPE.



But what about when one is talking about a $10,000 Part101 radio?



Just like a car, all that the lender should need is to hold the title of

the radio until paid off, and get a down payment of $2000 to cover the cost

of tower climber/repo man, and a signed letter of authorization from lanlord

stating the location of the tower gear is installed on and they acknowledge

that the gear is not abandoned equipment. (So it does not automatically

become property of landlord in 4 months, and teh landlord knows the

equipment owner has first rights to the gear).



Think about it... Wouldn't repo costs be reduced when the repo man knows

exactly where to find the radio? A car can easilly be relocated and

hard-to-find, when the owner skips town.

Plus the home likely has an owner with a shot gun or a big dog, which the

tower/MTU likely does not.  The MTU building might even have a security

guard to escort teh lender safely to the roof :-)





Tom DeReggi

RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

Marlon,

Charles, your numbers are WAY off there.

You can't base your numbers on the fact that you're willing to be on call 24x7, 
work 12 hour days 7 days / week as a function of normal business operations 
-- it simply isn't sustainable from a long term perspective

Eventually, your wife WILL leave you if you keep this up (on a side note, one 
of the biggest reasons I've seen for small WISPs selling out is the wife factor 
=)

If you were to replace yourself with normal employees that work 8-5 and who 
make market wages, you'd probably discover that your labor costs will go up 
$!0-15k / month (I would argue that you probably personally do the work of 3 
people in your company)

By the time I hit 600 to 800 subs I'm gonna need some help.  Hiring that
person will suck big time because I won't have enough work for them right
away.  That move alone will likely cut my margin down to nearly nothing for
a couple of years.

After you factor in your time / opportunity cost / resources / overhead / time 
spent training -- you will spend an additional 2x an employee's salary during 
the first 6 months of employment trying to get them trained up and productive 
-- and then, there's a good chance they just don't work out =)

-Charles


- Original Message -
From: Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability


 Hi Scott,

 Regarding debt...I've found that there's a scale inflection point in
 running a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be
 reached -- the main purpose for taking on debt (because due to interest,
 you end up paying more in the longer term instead of buying cash), is to
 accelerate growth so one can progress beyond this point

 e.g., if you can organically fund 30 new installs a month with cash, if
 you take on debt, you could leverage yourself and now do 100 installs /
 month

 Now, from a business perspective -- in looking at the WISP

 As a stand-alone sustainable business -- it costs a minimum of about $30k
 / month to operate a small WISP -- now, I'll argue that that $30k/month in
 operations remains relatively constant and whether it's supporting 300,
 800 or 1500 customers -- however, at 300 customers, the business is
 bleeding cash...at 800 customers the business is just about at a
 break-even, and at 1500 customers, the business is a cash machine

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Scott Reed
 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:20 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital
 Availability

 So I will take option 4 from a previous post since Travis made the point.
 Up to 60 months with $1 buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan.
 I want to run debt free as soon a possible.  That being the case I don't
 lease and have not leased to keep debt down.  I do have a start-up loan
 that is being paid on a little slower than I would like, but we have
 paid off 1/2 of it in  5 years and based on our payments, we are cash
 flow positive.
 Granted, my WISP is a lot smaller than many that post here and our
 growth rate is small, but some of that is managing growth to stay
 cash-flow positive.
 I have seen several companies die because they became cash rich, but
 still could not cover the debt.

 Travis Johnson wrote:
 The banks can sell a car with little effort. They already have
 relationships with dealers and auctions. And often, if the consumer's
 credit is questionable, the dealer will guarantee to take the car back
 if the loan defaults.

 Who is going to buy a $10,000 radio that has been repo'd? Even for
 $5k, I wouldn't touch it. I'd buy a new radio with warranty, that I
 know is good and hasn't been fried or broken.

 The banks will never loan on the equipment alone. There is no security
 there... but again, why do you need a bank loan for equipment when you
 can just lease it and get the same results? Up to 60 months with $1
 buyout is the same as a 5 year bank loan. What's the difference?

 Travis
 Microserv

 Tom DeReggi wrote:
 Maybe when talking about CPE.

 But what about when one is talking about a $10,000 Part101 radio?

 Just like a car, all that the lender should need is to hold the title
 of
 the radio until paid off, and get a down payment of $2000 to cover the
 cost
 of tower climber/repo man, and a signed letter of authorization from
 lanlord
 stating the location of the tower gear is installed on and they
 acknowledge
 that the gear is not abandoned equipment. (So it does not automatically
 become property of landlord in 4 months, and teh landlord knows the
 equipment owner has first rights to the gear).

 Think about it... Wouldn't repo costs be reduced when the repo man knows
 exactly where to find the radio? A car can easilly be relocated and
 hard-to-find, when the owner skips town.
 Plus

Re: [WISPA] Broadband Stimulus Allocations?

Hi Scott,

What has WISPA came up with to help WISP's get in on the broadband stimulus 
package? Throw me some bait? As I promised before, my membership fees(after 
tax season) are sitting here... give me something to bite. Not being an A**, 
but I belonged to one place(not WISPA), but didn't get much out of it.

I did receive an invitation from Double Radius to help me get in on this. Just 
wanting to know if WISPA got anything going on, before I jump on that 
opportunity? One of my regular suppliers that I trust.

From someone who's successfully navigated this process in various iterations, 
the process of putting in an application for government funding (be it 
RUS/NTIA/etc) is something that's measured in inches of thickness of paper and 
months (or years) of labor -- at the last ISPCON, Donny Bell, a WISP out of 
Minnesota mentioned that he spent in excess of $250k in time / effort / 
manpower / legal fees for his first RUS loan application -- and was denied!

Keep in mind too, if you take a look at the comments on the stimulus funding, 
there were thousands of comments (and many from people with deep pockets and 
plenty of lawyers and DC lobbying) -- the competition for this money will be, 
IMO, incredibly stiff and will require a full-time expensive, sustained effort 
if you even want to have a chance to win

I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect $250 / year in dues to provide you a 
turn-key solution for grant funding

That said, for your information -- here's a link to the latest in BTOP updates: 
http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/program-planprogram_id=5517#schedule

-Charles

-- Original Message --
From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Sun, 24 May 2009 13:00:41 -0400

I find the secret sauce of converting a customer a very interesting
subject as well. For the most part nearly every WISP I have run had a
monopoly. The ones that didnt had a niche of some kind. My first
owner/operator venture was not good because it was in a highly
competitive market and I could not overcome the go with the big
company mentality. My customers said I gave great service but even
they succumbed to price. Therefore, I sold that and went back to the
monopoly world (read boondocks). Even here, I eventually expect
competition to enter my market. It would be nice to know the secret
sauce so I can be better prepared for that day.

-RickG

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote:
All I can say is if you are holding back on doing more installs because 
you can't afford it, you need to find some financing and get installing. 
Once that customer is installed with something else (DSL, Cable, 
competitor), it's 10x harder to get them to switch to you. You have to get 
the customers NOW.

 Now that's a more interesting discussion

 What's the business plan for customer acquisition?  Do you still keep 
 building out into unserved areas (e.g., first to market)?

 At this point, I would guess that most areas have competition - so then is 
 the business model based upon arbitraging attrition and moves?

 e.g., the average American moves every 7 years - so that means 12% of the 
 population is available yearly as a new customer

 So, say you have 5,000 customers in a market of 100,000

 You'll churn 1%  / month (50) - but there's a market of new adds of 1,000 
 customers every month due to just organic moving activity...so assuming 20% 
 market share, market equilibrium would be 20,000 subscribers

 Not necessarily a bad thing =)

 That said, I'd be curious to talk about secret sauce methods to convert 
 customers from the competition

 -Charles



 Charles Wu wrote:

 Hi Scott,



 Regarding debt...I've found that there's a scale inflection point in 
 running a WISP (or any business for the matter) that needs to be reached -- 
 the main purpose for taking on debt (because due to interest, you end up 
 paying more in the longer term instead of buying cash), is to accelerate 
 growth so one can progress beyond this point



 e.g., if you can organically fund 30 new installs a month with cash, if you 
 take on debt, you could leverage yourself and now do 100 installs / month



 Now, from a business perspective -- in looking at the WISP



 As a stand-alone sustainable business -- it costs a minimum of about $30k / 
 month to operate a small WISP -- now, I'll argue that that $30k/month in 
 operations remains relatively constant and whether it's supporting 300, 800 
 or 1500 customers -- however, at 300 customers, the business is bleeding 
 cash...at 800 customers the business is just about at a break-even, and at 
 1500 customers, the business is a cash machine



 -Charles



 -Original Message-

 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed

 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:20 PM

 To: WISPA General List

 Subject: Re

Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

Hi Marlon,

I think it's appropriate to make a few definitions and distinctions on things 
so everyone is on the same page

Specifically, for purposes of making my point, I define

Proprietorship: A commercial activity engaged in as a means of livelihood or 
profit

Business: A unique system of processes and procedures that documents and 
codifies a specific method of proprietorship

Asset: cash, inventory, equipment, infrastructure, customer contracts, brand, 
marketing, etc

Grin.  Sure it is.  That's what a LOT of small business people do.  It's 
also kind of common for doctors, dentists, plumbers etc  Sometimes it
sucks, 

Now, everything you stated above is just a method of proprietorship, and in 
most cases, from a sale perspective, a proprietorships isn't worth anything 
more than the depreciated value of its assets

Say you were buying out the local plumber's office -- what would he have of 
value?  His truck?  Some old tools?  A customer list / brand perhaps (but the 
reality of things is that customers do business with him because of him, and if 
you bought him out and he moved out of town, those customers would probably go 
back to being on the open market)

Now, in comparing the WISP 'proprietorship' vs. the plumber, it's worth noting 
that the WISP is somewhat unique in that it results in the creation of an 
independent asset that holds onto a lot of value (e.g., the recurring revenue 
and everything that goes to support it); in many ways, this is akin to 
real-estate

Not 
everyone out there even wants to get that big (if I had a nickle for every 
business owner that's told me the most fun they had and the most money they 
made was when it was just them, no employees..)  But then again, that's 
one of the really cool things about this buisness, it's big enough and 
flexible enough to allow many different business models and operator dreams 
to bear fuit!

True...and you have the added benefit of building an asset that has value (be 
happy we're not plumbers =)

-Charles






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Re: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

2009-05-27 Thread Charles Wu

My iphone has a SIP client that can do this

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Of George Rogato
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 5:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Cell phone with wifi?

Is there a cell phone that can connect to someones wifi ap and still 
make phone calls or recieve data when not in range of the cell service?

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Re: [WISPA] Magento Commerce

2009-05-29 Thread Charles Wu

We (IP Pay) have a pre-integrated / written module for Magento =)

-Charles

-Original Message-
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Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 2:47 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Magento Commerce

Has anyone ever used Magento Commerce?


-
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Re: [WISPA] Quesiton on Funding / Financing / Capital Availability

2009-06-03 Thread Charles Wu

Yep, me too. Right out of the starting gates over 10 years ago, straight with 
S-Corp. Too much stupid s**t too be sued over by being a service provider. 
For instance... Oh, your child saw porn? Maybe you should be watching over 
your child instead of trying to screw me out of every penny I own? Or... 
there were three companies products that YOU could have bought to protect 
your children from seeing that!

Heh...we used to joke that our ISP was responsible for destroying billions of 
dollars of value in missed stock trades and market timings =)

-Charles




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Re: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network

2009-06-13 Thread Charles Wu

Dynamic route redistribution if your network is sufficiently complex and you 
have customers that you are servicing bgp to that you want to protect from 
intra-network failure

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:50 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OSPF and BGP for Internal Network

What are the bennefits of running both protocols in the internal
network?
 

Gino A. Villarini 
g...@aeronetpr.com 
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145 

 



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Re: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

2009-06-26 Thread Charles Wu

There are a bunch of companies that will outsource it for cheap -- for 
example...I know IKANO is reselling a branded gmail interface (e.g., you get 
all the functionality of Gmail and GApps but with your domain)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 10:33 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] OT, pesky email stuff

Hi All,

What are you guys doing for email these days?  I LOVE my setup for it's 
reliability, ease of use etc.

Hacked customer accounts and virus's are killing me though.  We don't catch 
things until 100,000s of messages go out and we get black listed.  This has 
now happened 3 or 4 times in the last couple of years.

My server admins aren't coming up with a solution to this other than to 
limit cc's to 25 per message.  We did that once before and my phone rang off 
the hook because people can't send jokes to their friends.

The other thing that makes it hard is that the log files that I get (up to 
40 megs per day!) don't list the authenticated sender, only the reply 
address.  So I see tens of thousands of messages from a user that's not even 
mine (faked info).  sigh

We use Courier MTA.

My thought is to set the server to allow a max of 1000 messages per day per 
user.  And to somehow make the log file ONLY send me the number of messages 
received per a user, and the number sent, user name and ip addy of all those 
sending.  Twice now I've asked about that idea and gotten no response from 
the server admins.

Suggestions?

laters,
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[WISPA] SBA ARC Loans

2009-06-27 Thread Charles Wu

As a non-bank financial institution, we (IP Pay side) are investigating the 
possibility of offering this product to help pay off newly qualifying debts 
to the CTI side of the business =)

Would there be any interest in the WISP community?

SBA ARC Loan Program

If your small business is stressed meeting expenses during these economic 
times, the U.S. Small Business Administration has a new loan program designed 
just for you. 

SBA's America's Recovery Capital Loan Program can provide up to $35,000 in 
short-term relief for viable small businesses facing immediate financial 
hardship to help ride out the current uncertain economic times and return to 
profitability.  Each small business is limited to one ARC loan.

ARC loans can be used to make payments of principal and interest, in full or in 
part, on one or more existing, qualifying small business loans for up to six 
months. ARC loans provide an immediate infusion of capital to small businesses 
to assist with making payments of principal and interest on existing debt.  
These loans allow borrowers to redirect cash flow from making loan payments to 
investing in their businesses, to help sustain the business and retain jobs.  
For example, making loan payments on existing loans with proceeds from an ARC 
loan can allow a business to focus more funds on core operations, such as 
buying inventory or making payroll. 

ARC loans are interest-free to the borrower and require no fees paid to SBA.  
Loan proceeds are provided over a six-month period and repayment of the ARC 
loan principal is deferred for 12 months after the last disbursement of the 
proceeds.  Repayment can extend up to five years.

http://www.sba.gov/recovery/arcloanprogram/index.html

Let me know your thoughts

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

2009-07-10 Thread Charles Wu

Well...it's better than the idea of reassigning people from the fish and 
wildlife to read BTOP applications (we've been talking to NTIA, and I kid you 
not, this was one of the ideas thrown out)

-Original Message-
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Of Israel Lopez-LISTS
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 4:20 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] NTIA Seeks Volunteers to Review Broadband Applications

Did you guys hear about this?
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2009/070909-ntia-seeks-volunteers-to-review.html?page=1

Some people think its scary, but I think if done with enough guidance 
Volunteer Reviewers could cull a lot of crap out of this program 
applications.

-Israel

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[WISPA] Your FREE Webinar Invitation: Join us for You've read the NOFA...Now What?

2009-07-14 Thread Charles Wu

You've read the NOFA...Now What?

Join us for a Webinar on July 17

[http://img.gotomeeting.com/g2mimages/webinar/themes/business/button_registerNow.gif]https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/455299394

[http://img.gotomeeting.com/g2mimages/webinar/themes/business/defaultUserImage.jpg]

On July 1, 2009, the United States Federal Government released a 121 page
Notice of Funds Availability (NOFA) for the $7.2 billion allocated towards
broadband stimulus. On July 9, 2009, the NOFA was published in Vol. 74, No.
130 of the Federal Register. The application for both the RUS BIP and NTIA
BTOP programs are now available for download at
http://broadbandusa.sc.egov.usda.gov/download_app.htm.

Ironically, all this information has just created more questions.

This 60 minute presentation by the WiNOG Grants Cooperative will cover the
following:

1. Overview of the BIP/BTOP programs (this will be brief as familiarity with
the NOFA is assumed)
2. Overview of the BIP/BTOP infrastructure applications
3. Overview of the BIP/BTOP post-application audit process
4. Clarification of some of the more ambiguous NOFA definitions, including
service areas, census blocks, unserved/underserved, in-kind match...
5. Which program (BIP vs. BTOP) should I apply for?
6. I don't know anything about applying to governmental programs, are there any
solutions that can help me

About the WiNOG Grants Cooperative

The WiNOG Grants Cooperative is a not for profit (NFP) business association
that was established to help rural broadband providers take advantage of
Broadband Stimulus Program Funding. We were formed to pool the collective
resources of small service providers to increase the probability of obtaining
stimulus funding awards. Our goal is to work together to reduce the
administrative costs of applying for and implementing broadband stimulus
projects.

More information on the WiNOG Grants Cooperative can be found at
http://www.winog.org

Title:

You've read the NOFA...Now What?

Date:

Friday, July 17, 2009

Time:

10:00 AM - 11:00 AM CDT

After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing information
about joining the Webinar.

System Requirements
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Space is limited.
Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
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Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.....

2009-07-28 Thread Charles Wu

With that in
mind, WISP need to think of ways that they can tap the government money
without losing their local focus.  WISPs might seriously want to consider
forming cooperatives in which a group of WISPs within a geographic region
enter into a joint venture to expand overall capacity.  Then that joint
venture can apply for stimulus money.  

Already exists: http://www.winog.org

Although one might say that I'm currently in-charge as Executive Director -- 
keep in mind, this was done because

(1) someone had to step up to the plate and get the idea going
(2) the person stepping up to the plate also had to put  behind it to make 
it a reality

That being said, this has been organized as a 501c(6) organization with the 
intention of turning things over to membership if we can get legs under it

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance

2009-07-30 Thread Charles Wu

Hi,

A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8

The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules

-Charles

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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Jason Wallace
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance

Speaking of 5.8 distance...

Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm 
can do?  Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc.

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Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance

2009-07-30 Thread Charles Wu

It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM

From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8

-Charles

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Of Jason Wallace
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance

Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could 
operate at 5.8...

The 5200sm is what I am interested in.  Does anyone know what the 
maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like:

http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm

Jason

Charles Wu wrote:
 Hi,

 A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8

 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules

 -Charles

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Jason Wallace
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance

 Speaking of 5.8 distance...

 Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm 
 can do?  Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc.

 Jason


 
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Re: [WISPA] Joliet, IL bandwidth

2009-08-05 Thread Charles Wu

Our old WISP had a tower on the Chicagoland Speedway in Joliet (200+ foot 
monopole) with plenty (100 Mb+) of bandwidth

I believe BOB (the guys that bought my WISP) still operate that site

http://www.bobbroadband.com 

-Charles

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Subject: [WISPA] Joliet, IL bandwidth

Can anyone immediately deliver 20 megs to the Joliet, IL CO or a business off 
of that?  Short contract term is required unless terms are good.  They do have 
towers available for wireless delivery.

They've encountered problems getting their OC3 to 350 Cermak installed in a 
timely fashion.


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Re: [WISPA] ITEXPO West 2009

2009-08-21 Thread Charles Wu

Kevin,

It's worth noting that there are actually 2 separate wireless tracks / shows 
within IT Expo

Ours (that we're doing with WISPA), is called WiNOG @ IT Expo -- track / 
seminar info is here: 
http://www.tmcnet.com/voip/conference/west-2009/attendees/w09-winog-at-itexpo.htm
 -- it is a track that's going on within IT Expo -- this deals with fixed 
wireless, WISPs and issues that are related to WISPA

Collocated at IT Expo is another show more focused on 4G and wireless mobility: 
http://4g-wirelessevolution.tmcnet.com/conference/west-09/  -- that show deals 
more with mobility, LTE, 4G... .e.,g Sprint / Clearwire stuff

The nice things is everyone goes to one big exhibit booth area

-Charles

P.S. - if anyone needs / wants some extra conference passes, I have a few that 
I can give out (ping me offlist)

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Of Kevin Suitor
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:13 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] ITEXPO West 2009

Who is planning on attending this conference/exhibition in two weeks.  I have 
been asked to present on two topics:


a)  Use of WiMAX within the SmartGrid for Energy companies, this leverages 
off the work we have been doing with several US coops and with several of the 
major electric utilities in Canada such as Hydro One

b)  Stimulating rural WiMAX discussing why WiMAX enables effective service 
offers

I will be at the conference all three days and would be pleased to get together 
with any WISPA members that are attending to discuss face to face some of the 
new products that will be launched at 4G World in Chicago.

Cheers!
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[WISPA] Stimulus Round 1 Application Update and some interesting analysis from the WiNOG Grants Cooperative

2009-08-27 Thread Charles Wu

Commerce and Agriculture Announce Strong Demand for First Round of Funding to 
Bring Broadband Jobs to More Americans - Nearly 2,200 Diverse Applications 
Submitted for Share of $4 Billion in Funding to Expand Broadband Access and 
Adoption

Full story available here: 
http://www.ntia.doc.gov/press/2009/BTOP_BIP_090827.html

WiNOG GC Analysis (www.winog.orghttp://www.winog.org)

Approximately $2.4 billion from RUS...is available in the first grant round

Infrastructure:


-  More than 260 applications were filed solely with NTIA's Broadband 
Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP), requesting over $5.4 billion in grants 
to fund broadband infrastructure projects in unserved and underserved areas

-  More than 400 applications were filed solely with RUS's Broadband 
Initiatives Program (BIP), requesting nearly $5 billion in grants and loans for 
broadband infrastructure projects in rural areas

-  More than 830 applications were filed with both NTIA's BTOP and 
RUS's BIP, requesting nearly $12.8 billion in infrastructure funding 
(Applicants for infrastructure projects in rural areas must apply to BIP but 
were given the opportunity to jointly apply to BTOP in case RUS declines to 
fund their application)
As Quoted from the RUS/NTIA ARRA Workshops

RUS, when providing a loan, gets to leverage their appropriation $0.072 / 
dollar (e.g., a $1 million loan only costs RUS $72,000 in appropriations)

Our Round 1 experience showed that a BTOP application represents approximately 
60% more work than a BIP application.  Coupling this information with the tight 
round 1 timeline, we conclude that applicants focused on BIP funding wouldn't 
go through the extra work of creating a dual BTOP filing and that applications 
with dual BIP/BTOP applications went that route due to the rules and were in 
general written with the with the purpose of failing BIP and moving into the 
BTOP program.
Based on this observation, we adjust our application buckets in the following 
manner

BTOP

-  Total Submissions: 1090 applications

-  Total Requested Funding: $18.2 billion
BIP

-  Total Submissions: 400 applications

-  Total Requested Funding: $5 billion
Probability of BIP Success

To qualify for RUS funding, unless one services remote unserved areas (an 
extremely low percentage), RUS requires a minimum 50/50 Loan/Grant combination. 
 Assuming that RUS award funding is distributed in this manner (normalizing for 
the 100% unserved grant solicitations and for applicants having a more 
aggressive loan/grant ratio), one can calculate some numbers and extrapolate 
that the $2.4 billion in RUS appropriations as follows


-  Average BIP Loan/Grant Combo Amount: 50/50

-  Loan to Appropriation Multiplier: $0.072 / dollar

-  Total BIP Round 1 Appropriations: $2.4 billion

-  Total Round 1 BIP Grant Monies: $2.232 billion

-  Total Round 1 BIP Loan (in Appropriated Funds): $0.168 billion

-  Total Round 1 BIP Loans Monies: $2.333 billion

-  Total Round 1 BIP Funding Available: $4.565 billion
Following these assumptions, we have a total Round 1 BIP Funding availability 
of $4.565 billion.  Assuming that 100% of dual-purpose applications will be 
rejected by BIP and adding in a 30% rejection rate of submitted applications 
(due to incomplete applications, improper documentation, lateness, etc), we 
have total Round 1 BIP Funding solicitation amount of $3.5 billion.

WGC members who followed our Round 1 Advice on their stimulus applications 
should be happy =)

-Charles


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Re: [WISPA] Letter from BTOP

BIP applicants don't have to deal with this political dog-and-pony show (er., 
BS =)

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 1:42 PM
To: li...@stlbroadband.com; 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Letter from BTOP

Has anyone else received this letter from BTOP?  We received it yesterday.

Dear BTOP applicant:

Thank you for submitting your application for the Broadband Technology
Opportunities Program (BTOP), the $4.7 billion grant program established by
Congress in the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery
Act) to expand and enhance broadband capabilities in the United States. The
U.S. Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information
Administration (NTIA) is working to ensure that funds from the Recovery Act
are made available as quickly, effectively, and fairly as possible.

In the Recovery Act, NTIA was authorized to consult with states,
territories, possessions, and the District of Columbia (states) regarding
the identification of unserved and underserved areas within their borders
and the allocation of grants funds to projects affecting each state.
Accordingly, NTIA is making relevant information about your project
available on its website www.broadbandusa.gov for states and the public to
review: applicant name, contact information, amount requested, and a
description of the application. On September 8, 2009, you also received an
email from NTIA requesting your permission to post your project's Executive
Summary, or a partially redacted version thereof, on www.broadbandusa.gov.
Assuming you have granted the requested permission, this information will
also be made available to states and the public.  If you have not yet
responded to our September 8 email, please do so (to b...@ntia.doc.gov) at
your earliest convenience.

NTIA is affording states the opportunity to comment on BTOP applications
that propose to serve areas within their jurisdiction and to provide an
explanation of why certain applications meet the greatest needs of the
state. Information provided by states will be among the factors considered
by NTIA in making final awards. To protect any confidential information or
trade secrets contained in your application, NTIA is providing states with
only the limited information described above.  Many states may wish to
consider additional information contained in your application before making
recommendations to NTIA and may contact you to request such information.
Because states have been asked to submit any recommendations to NTIA by
October 14, 2009, we recommend you respond as quickly as possible to any
information requests from states to give them sufficient time to consider it
before commenting to NTIA. We also request that you do not send information
to the states unless and until!
  you are asked to do so by a state.

Please note that your application remains under consideration until NTIA has
notified you in writing regarding any changes to your status.  Notifications
will be made on a rolling basis in the coming weeks, and as such you may not
hear from NTIA immediately.  

Thank you again for applying to BTOP. If you have any further questions
regarding the state consultation process, please call (202) 482-2048 or
email us at b...@ntia.doc.gov and we will do our best to assist you as
quickly as possible.

Victoria Proffer
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Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

It's worth noting that the rules are a little different for middle mile 
applicants than last mile applicants

e.g., for the middle mile -- one has to pre-set their wholesale bandwidth rates 
and stay in accordance with the NOFA's non-discrimination rules per the 
application

Keep in mind, if someone with a middle mile project gets an application saying 
that they're going to sell bandwidth for $50 / meg in your rural market with a 
zero setup fee -- adhering to that pricing plan / etc becomes a REQUIREMENT of 
their funding agreement -- so, if you go to them and they then quote you $100 / 
meg, they are in violation of their agreement with the government

Keep in mind, when this happens, it now becomes fraud, and that's considered a 
felony (in addition, the government has the right to de-obligate the entire 
grant, and what that means is that they can demand 100% of the money back)

Also, note that in some cases, the government is a little different than your 
average debtor, in some cases (e.g., tax evasion), not paying the government 
can put you in jail

That sad (or maybe not depending on your perspective?) thing is that there are 
a lot of, IMO jokers applying for broadband stimulus funds who move fast and 
loose and think that they can pull a fast one over the government -- add in 
the fact that NTIA/RUS have tens of millions of  budgeted for auditing, I 
would predict that many of them will end up in jail as a result of stimulus

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 5:28 PM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't  
really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want  
you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on.

For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in  
for you to attach at a given location. If there isn't one nearby, well  
tough.

If there is an attachment point but you can't come to terms, it goes  
to arbitration. However, they aren't obligated to give you wholesale  
access...just attachment, whatever the heck that means. There just  
seems to me to be 100 ways to Sunday for a large carrier to play their  
usual games with this stuff and block the intent.

So basically, based on the wording of the rule, it's hard to see how  
they are going to achieve the intent behind the goal unless the  
provider is willing to and interested in doing so.

Chuck


On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

 Does the process explicitly say that an awarded company has to open  
 their network to competition? Or is this sort of a vague rule?

 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:11 -0400

 There is no provision in the rules to protest a plan because you  
 don't
 think it's a good plan.

 In fact, there's an OMB circular (from July I believe) that  
 explicitly
 disallows ANY communication until the evaluation process is over  
 about
 individual applications with the grant reviewers OR the agency over
 anything except for contesting an application due to your coverage
 area. I don't think I kept a copy of that circular, but I'm sure you
 can find it on line.

 The only exception is if they reach out to you-but they are  
 instructed
 to ignore and refuse any other input. They are bound by law on this.

 Just to be clear here, you *could* talk to them in very general terms
 about how the application process worked. But you cannot talk in any
 form about an individual application, yours or anyone else's.

 It might sound like I'm nay-saying here, but I'm just pointing out
 what the law allows you to do-and it doesn't allow the approach  
 you're
 suggesting as I understood the circular.

 Chuck

 On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Its also feasible to protest a plan simply because its a poor plan.
 The
 NTIA/RUS needs to approve grants for companies that use tax payer
 money
 optimally wisely and benefit the public, and
 adhere to the NOFA rules.  If you think you can do a better plan,
 but didn;t
 have time to submit it until Round2, why should the ROund1 plan get
 approved
 if its less good?
 And if one doubts the entent of an applicant, we should tell NTIA
 what we
 think. We are not only competing providers, but we are also the
 public that
 has to pay the taxes 5to fund these projects.

 I know in my State, there were numerous good applications that
 targeted
 truely needy areas, and made an effort to avoid other provider
 infrastructure. I plan to support those projects.
 For example only about 20% in my opinion were bad applications that
 would
 directly compete with me and other WISPs in their core

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million bucks to
provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper broadband to the
masses.  That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper broadband
is for their system.  

If it's a middle mile application, they would be in violation of their funding 
contract if they bandwidth wasn't available to you for the same price that 
they're buying it for -- IMO, you would win either way

1. You get access to cheap bandwidth for the same price as them
2. They deny you access, you report them to the government, they get audited, 
shut down, thrown in jail, you have one less competitor, and you get to buy 
their system for pennies on the dollar =)

-Charles


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:28 PM
To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't  
really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want  
you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on.

For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in  
for you to attach at a given location. If there isn't one nearby, well  
tough.

If there is an attachment point but you can't come to terms, it goes  
to arbitration. However, they aren't obligated to give you wholesale  
access...just attachment, whatever the heck that means. There just  
seems to me to be 100 ways to Sunday for a large carrier to play their  
usual games with this stuff and block the intent.

So basically, based on the wording of the rule, it's hard to see how  
they are going to achieve the intent behind the goal unless the  
provider is willing to and interested in doing so.

Chuck


On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:39 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote:

 Does the process explicitly say that an awarded company has to open  
 their network to competition? Or is this sort of a vague rule?

 Scottie

 -- Original Message --
 From: Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date:  Tue, 15 Sep 2009 13:06:11 -0400

 There is no provision in the rules to protest a plan because you  
 don't
 think it's a good plan.

 In fact, there's an OMB circular (from July I believe) that  
 explicitly
 disallows ANY communication until the evaluation process is over  
 about
 individual applications with the grant reviewers OR the agency over
 anything except for contesting an application due to your coverage
 area. I don't think I kept a copy of that circular, but I'm sure you
 can find it on line.

 The only exception is if they reach out to you-but they are  
 instructed
 to ignore and refuse any other input. They are bound by law on this.

 Just to be clear here, you *could* talk to them in very general terms
 about how the application process worked. But you cannot talk in any
 form about an individual application, yours or anyone else's.

 It might sound like I'm nay-saying here, but I'm just pointing out
 what the law allows you to do-and it doesn't allow the approach  
 you're
 suggesting as I understood the circular.

 Chuck

 On Sep 15, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Its also feasible to protest a plan simply because its a poor plan.
 The
 NTIA/RUS needs to approve grants for companies that use tax payer
 money
 optimally wisely and benefit the public, and
 adhere to the NOFA rules.  If you think you can do a better plan,
 but didn;t
 have time to submit it until Round2, why should the ROund1 plan get
 approved
 if its less good?
 And if one doubts the entent of an applicant, we should tell NTIA
 what we
 think. We are not only competing providers, but we are also the
 public that
 has to pay the taxes 5to fund these projects.

 I know in my State, there were numerous good applications that
 targeted
 truely needy areas, and made an effort to avoid other provider
 infrastructure. I plan to support those projects.
 For example only about 20% in my opinion were bad applications that
 would
 directly compete with me and other WISPs in their core markets.  I
 plan to
 protest that 20%.  Anyone that was smart would have avoided pre-
 existing
 providers or called them a head of time to work benefit for them
 into the
 proposal to gain their support.  If they didn't do that, they
 deserve to
 have their applications protested, in my opinion.

 As well, if a grant application covers an area that you entended on
 applying
 for in Round2, I see no problem in telling NTIA/RUS that, and
 advising that
 the Round1 funds are oversubscribed, and Round1 funds should go to
 projects
 without alledged conflict of interests first, and at minimum deny  
 the
 conflcit of interest applicants until round2, where they can be mroe
 fairly
 considered, and so there is more time to gain fact on what

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

Well...operators in 2.5 GHz can put out up to 2 kW (E.g., 2000 Watts) EIRP at 
the tower site, have a noise floor of -100 dBm which allows them to take full 
advantage of more advanced technology, and in some cases, have access to almost 
200 MHz of spectrum

Compare that to 900 MHz, where you're limited to 4W of EIRP, have a -80 dbm 
noise floor, and a total of 24 MHz of spectrum that's being shared with 20 
other users

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of St. Louis Broadband
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 7:06 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

I am just not getting this.  We have two competitors that state that they
can provide 14 Mbps wireless broadband to a very heavily tree canopied area.
The best we could do is with 900 MHz and that would only provide 3.3 Mbps,
if luck.

How can these folks get away with such amazing statements?

Victoria

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

I dont have much confident in anyone gaining access to someone else's
network inexpensively, unless that network is owned by a small local
company, short in front end sales resources themselves, that truly benefits
from having other partners to drive demand.

Example... Yesterday I tried to buy capacity (7 mbps) Wholesale access to
TowerStream's broadband network for 1 day, and they quoted me $11,000 and
refused to budge.
And they had a live tower/NOC 500 yards away. The wholesale price for 1
year, would have been just as bad. Obviously, we chose another option.  To
them, its all about what the market will bear, and has absolutely nothing to

do with their cost.  Many grant winners will have the same mentality, and
the fact that they got their grant for free, will have no effect on their
pricing sctructure, or pricing structure for wholesale, or desire to even
havea wholesale offering.

The truth is, I just dont see Public traded or VC funded companies sharing
their grant funded networks ethically, regardless of the open access
requirments.
And a lot of the grant winners are likely going to be the one with financial

and investment backing.

Its different for small WISPs. Small WISPs partner with other WISPs all the
time, because there is a mutual benefit for doing so.
I sure hope some small WISPs win some grants, and maybe the wholesale
requirements of the program might actually make it to a beneficial reality.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL  Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message -
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects


 Nah, the plan they have is just to use microwave to bring it in.  A system
 of towers, is what they propose.  No fiber.  A million bucks worth of
 towers
 and radios?

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
 Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
 Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:18 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

 Why not? You should be able to take advantage of that cheaper
 bandwidth too I'd think. Assuming it's a fiber build, they are going
 to have tons of excess capacity.

 Chuck

 On Sep 17, 2009, at 9:20 AM, Robert West wrote:

 In our case, our competitor applied for a shade under a million
 bucks to
 provide middle mile into the area, as in to bring cheaper broadband
 to the
 masses.  That doesn't sound like it will benefit us, the cheaper
 broadband
 is for their system.



 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 On
 Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch
 Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:28 PM
 To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

 Though it is a requirement (as Tim set out), the requirement doesn't
 really have a lot of teeth in my view. If a competitor doesn't want
 you on, they can design it so it's hard to get on.

 For example, a fiber carrier has to have an attachment point built in
 for you to attach at a given location. If there isn't one nearby, well
 tough.

 If there is an attachment point but you can't come to terms, it goes
 to arbitration. However, they aren't obligated to give you wholesale
 access...just attachment, whatever the heck that means. There just
 seems to me to be 100 ways to Sunday for a large carrier to play their
 usual games with this stuff and block the intent.

 So basically, based on the wording of the rule, it's hard to see how
 they are going to achieve the intent behind the goal unless the
 provider is willing to and

Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

They either lie or they legitimately dont know what they are doing.

Or maybe you don't know what is possible with licensed spectrum =)

For example, in the 2.5 GHz band, there are over 30 6 MHz channels available 
(e.g., almost 200 MHz of spectrum) -- we have one customer that owns/leases 
almost every channel in their respective market (I believe they're at 28 or 
so), and they have the ability to do some really cool stuff

-Charles



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Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

Hi David,

While I applaud your efforts in being involved with the broadband stimulus, it 
is my understanding that MVN.net is/was applying for stimulus funds for Round 1 
-- maybe I'm missing something, but I can't figure out how you'd be able to 
over-come the conflict of interest clauses?

-Charles

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of David E. Smith
Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 11:00 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Searchable Map of Stimulus projects

Tom DeReggi wrote:

 Again, I jsut hope decission makers are smart enough to see the truth, and 
 grant to those with the most proven experience.

The best way to help ensure this would have been to volunteer to review 
the grants (unless, of course, you're interested in pursuing a grant 
yourself). I really hope I'm not the only WISP employee who did so.

I think it's too late to volunteer and still review the first round of 
grant applications, but there will be further rounds over the next 
several months. As there are more than a few applications asking for 
money to build out wireless, a few extra nonsense-detectors wouldn't hurt.

David Smith
MVN.net



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[WISPA] BIP/BTOP Mapping Tool Online

2009-09-26 Thread Charles Wu

Posting to multiple lists -- apologies if anyone gets this twice

At some point last evening, RUS and NTIA released a modified version of the 
BIP/BTOP applicant mapping tool, which now provides public access to applicant 
mapping data.  Right now, nothing has been loaded in terms of public notices or 
on the map, so the 30 day comment period has not yet started. The tool can be 
accessed at http://broadbandsearch.sc.egov.usda.gov/DefaultARRA.aspx.  

-Charles



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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

2006-04-04 Thread Charles Wu

Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock Alvarion,
since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out there is also
based on a similar chipset)

Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) doesn't
operate in 5 GHz

-Charles

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I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or 
software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.

pd

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 George

 From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into 
 its own
 in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes 
 down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios 
 (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com
  
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 Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

 What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
 Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks
 George
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RE: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband

Higher ARPU WISPs in the business are selling their services as WiMAX

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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 10:56 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] DSL vs. Wireless Broadband


I'm noticing more and more WISP's selling their wireless broadband service
as DSL or Wireless DSL. I know that 75% of the people who call our sales
number have a difficult time understanding what Wireless Broadband is. They
already know what DSL is and that is what the majority of them ask for so I
would be interested in hearing everyone's opinions on the pros and cons of a
WISP labeling their wireless broadband service as DSL, wDSL or Wireless
DSL instead of Fixed Wireless, WiFI or Wireless Broadband.

If the masses are more familiar with the term DSL then I
think we would generate more sales leads by advertising
our (WISPs') broadband as DSL instead of Wireless
Broadband. I'm sure the local telco would just love to see
all of us selling DSL. Are there any legalities to this? Does wireless
broadband qualify as DSL or a form of DSL in the eyes of the law? Is it
legal for a WISP to sell their wireless broadband service as DSL?


Sincerely,
Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder
KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky
http://www.KyWiFi.com
http://www.KyWiFiVoice.com
Phone: 859.274.4033
A Broadband Phone  Internet Provider

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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

snip
That is correct, however those companies are expected to be shipping  
product ( and are taking pre orders )  that will comply with the  
testing whenever the gods at wimaxforum decide to get off their  
collective arses and certify 5.8. Airspan for example, already has  
wimax 4.9 product and is getting FCC certification. So in conclusion,  
yes on product, no on the interop profile or tests yet.
/snip

Basically, a roadmap to WiMAX?

Look at the result of Wi-LAN's Continuty Program  Roadmap to WiMAX?
ducking


Wi-LAN Continuity Program


The Wi-LAN Continuity Program Provides
- Standards Based W-OFDM Performance Today
- Clear Path to the Standards
- Risk Free Migration Strategy
- Investment Protection
- Proven Future Proof Solution

History shows that when new standards are created then there is a lot of
buzz and expection and a lot of marketing noise about standards based
products being available soon.  Again, history has shown that soon is
often delayed until later or much later.  High expectations turn into
dissapointment and frustration.

The Continuity Program shows Wi-LAN's clear path to the standards.
Customers can purchase Libra products today and be confident that their
investment will be protected when WiMAX products become available



Oh Really?

February 2, 2006
Wi-LAN Inc. is transitioning out of its broadband wireless equipment
business to concentrate solely on its intellectual property rights business.

So -- this leads one to ask -- how guaranteed is a roadmap to WiMAX?

-Charles

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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:38 PM
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-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 7:06 PM, Steve Stroh wrote:


 Neat trick... considering...

 There is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability profile. Because 
 there is not yet a WiMAX 5.8 GHz WiMAX interoperability
 profile, there have not yet been any 5.8 GHz interoperability tests.
 Because there has not yet been any WiMAX 5.8 GHz interoperability  
 tests, there cannot be any WiMAX 5.8 GHz products certified as  
 having completed the tests and declared interoperable.

 And, unless a product has been through the interoperability tests
 and declared interoperable, it cannot use the WiMAX brand name.

 Nope - no _5.8 GHz_ (license-exempt is assumed) WiMAX products.
 PERHAPS by year end... but I suspect it will be longer given that  
 the vendors are going to be VERY busy selling all the 3.5 GHz  
 (licensed, non-US markets) gear they can make AND getting Mobile  
 WiMAX out will consume the available interoperability testing  
 facilities and the attentions of the Mobile portions of the WiMAX  
 industry.

 5.8 GHz WiMAX is kind of an afterthought at the moment for the
 WiMAX industry.


 Thanks,

 Steve


 On Apr 4, 2006, at 11:37, jeffrey thomas wrote:

 George,

 Yes there is. Airspan and Aperto both have products and are taking
 orders now.

 -

 Jeff

 On Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:16:46 -0700, George [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 said:
 What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
 Is there any products released yet or about to be released?
 Thanks
 George

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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

Hi Jeff,

Out of curiosity, since QoS  base WiMAX certification currently are
mutually exclusive, how does having QoS allow one manufacturer to have
product that's more WiMAX than another (not to say that QoS makes a
product better, but that's a whole different argument)

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Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:35 PM
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George,

I am sure there will be others, but likely the first will be Airspan  
( May is Beta ) and Aperto ( shipping
in June ). Redline likely will have product as well, but based on the  
fact that both Aperto and Airspan
have considerable experience with QOS PTMP, I would think they will  
have the only great product
out there. As well, on the CPE front, there are a number of taiwanese  
ODM's expected to announce
sub 300 dollar integrated CPE.

-

Jeff


On Apr 4, 2006, at 5:28 PM, George wrote:

 Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will
 be available with Aperto and Airspan.

 What do you know Charles?

 George

 Charles Wu wrote:
 Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock
 Alvarion,
 since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product out  
 there is also
 based on a similar chipset)
 Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification)  
 doesn't
 operate in 5 GHz
 -Charles
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Pete Davis
 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
 I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible,  
 or software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.
 pd
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 George

 From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into

 its own

 in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units
 comes down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci  
 WIMAX radios (5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

 Sincerely, Tony Morella
 Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
 Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com 
 This communication constitutes an electronic communication within
 the meaning of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 USC  
 2510, and its disclosure is strictly limited to the recipient  
 intended by the sender of this message. This communication may  
 contain  confidential and privileged material for the sole use of  
 the intended recipient and receipt by anyone other than the  
 intended recipient does not constitute a loss of the confidential  
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 Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

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RE: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

There is no such thing right now as unlicensed WiMAX (e.g., no way today to
officially certify 5.8 Ghz WiMAX)
So you *could* say that Motorola, Alvarion, Trango, Tranzeo, Mikrotik,
StarOS, etc all have roadmaps to WiMAX just like Airspan  Aperto

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?


Ok, so far Jeff is the only one to say that unlicended Wimax will be 
available with Aperto and Airspan.

What do you know Charles?

George

Charles Wu wrote:
 Alvarion VL is based on a WiFi chipset (this isn't meant to knock 
 Alvarion, since almost every 5 GHz PtMP WISP manufacturered product 
 out there is also based on a similar chipset)
 
 Alvarion BreezeMAX (they're product pending WiMAX certification) 
 doesn't operate in 5 GHz
 
 -Charles
 
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 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Pete Davis
 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 6:42 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?
 
 
 I thought Alvarion was Wimax, or wimax-able, or wimax compatible, or
 software-flashable to wimax. Wimax-ilicious, or something.
 
 pd
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
George

From what we have seen most of the unlicensed WIMAX will come into

its own

in the first half of 2007. The limitation for low cost units comes
down to the chipsets, we have tested prototype mini-pci WIMAX radios 
(5Ghz) but they are far from ready for prime time.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com
 
This communication constitutes an electronic communication within the
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Subject: [WISPA] Un- licensed WIMAX?

What is going on with unlicensed WIMAX?
Is there any products released yet or about to be released? Thanks 
George
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