Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today
Were going to reach the age where the only need for 3G coverage will be on open highways and rural areas. In citys it will get to the point where there is so much wi-fi coverage your device will be able to just hop from one to the next. Thats when your going to run into the noise issue. They will have to find some way to deal with that, That current gear can't do. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: richard sterne wireless.r...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] new wi fi??? From BusinessWeek today More noise problems. Richard 2009/10/15 Chuck Profito Internet October 14, 2009, 12:01AM EST Wi-Fi Is About to Get a Whole Lot Easier A consortium that includes Intel, Cisco, and Apple is set to release new technology called Wi-Fi Direct that will turn a slew of gadgets into hotspots By Olga Kharif Going Wi-Fi is about to get a lot easier. For many consumers, setting up an in-home Wi-Fi connection point is something of a hassle. Before you can enjoy the convenience of logging onto the Web without cables and wires, you need to hook up some gear and create your own hotspot. But that's set to change come mid-2010, when a tech upgrade will make it easier for users of consumer electronics to exchange files between electronic gadgets. On Oct. 14, the Wi-Fi Alliance, a tech industry consortium, said its members will release technology that effectively turns gadgets into mini access points, able to create wireless connections with other Wi-Fi-enabled gadgets or broadband modems within a radius of about 300 feet. The alliance includes Intel (INTC), Cisco Systems (CSCO), Apple (AAPL), and more than 300 other makers of the equipment that runs Wi-Fi networks, often used to provide wireless Web connections in homes, cafés, hotels, and airports. Sales Erosion Possible The new technology, called Wi-Fi Direct, will be built directly into consumer electronics and automatically scan the vicinity for existing hotspots and the gamut of Wi-Fi equipped devices, including phones, computers, TVs, and gaming consoles. Owners of most existing Wi-Fi-enabled devices will be able to upgrade to Wi-Fi Direct with a simple software download. While the revamp may make life easier for consumers and business owners, it may erode sales of other Wi-Fi compatible equipment. For starters, Wi-Fi Direct may curb demand for routers and other products that make up the $1 billion annual market for Wi-Fi access points, now present in about 30% of U.S. homes. The IT department doesn't have to set up an access point, says Victoria Fodale, a senior analyst at In-Stat. Same thing in the home. You can do the same thing with less equipment. Cisco and Netgear (NTGR) are among the biggest sellers of Wi-Fi equipment. The feature also could disrupt usage of wireless Bluetooth technology that, for example, helps users of the Apple iPhone play games with each other outside a wireless network. In the future, some consumers may use Wi-Fi Direct instead. Though Wi-Fi connectivity tends to drain battery life faster than Bluetooth, it's also faster and allows for transfer of richer multimedia content like video. Marketing Blitz on the Way For Cisco, Wi-Fi Direct could make up for lost sales of Wi-Fi access points through other Wi-Fi-enabled equipment including camcorders. The company didn't make a representative available for this story. Members of the Wi-Fi Alliance plan to promote their new technology with a major marketing blitz. Intel has already begun briefing retailers, who will promote the feature in their stores, says Gary Martz, senior product manager at Intel. The chipmaker will also heavily promote the capability in the first quarter of 2010 as it unveils its next-generation Wi-Fi chip package for computers. Chipmaker Marvell (MRVL), meantime, is planning to collaborate with its consumer-electronics partners to mark enabled devices with special stickers and to promote the capability through ads. We will make a big splash with Wi-Fi Direct, says Bart Giordano, product marketing manager at Marvell. A Boon for Smartphones Almost half of the 760 North American consumers surveyed in May by In-Stat said they use their Wi-Fi-enabled devices for more than connecting to the Internet. We feel that it opens up a whole new set of applications and use cases, Giordano says. Wi-Fi Direct will really drive the next generation of growth in [the use of Wi-Fi] consumer devices. The feature could boost usage of Wi-Fi capabilities in smartphones and television sets in particular. It makes adding Wi-Fi to devices that don't have Wi-Fi more compelling, says Kelly Davis-Felner, marketing director at Wi-Fi Alliance. Marvell is already talking to makers of TVs, few of whom offer Wi-Fi connectivity today but are now considering adding the capability
Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
This could be a very touchy topic. Routers, are everywhere. Someone can't blame a router for all there problems because at some point your internet goes through a router. At your location or your ISP's its inevitable. But why have routers gotten such a bad name? I believe this is the fact that most SOHO routers are trash. Generally your average home user isn't doing much to notice a router. But then you get your users that are heavy on the P2P or something they find the router gets slow.. Most SOHO routers don't handle P2P very well because the number of connections. So they remove the router and it all works great suddenly. As for the actual question. No, most routers are not the cause of speed/bandwidth issues. As today most of them are decently equipped. I know back in the day I saw many a netgear 614 have about a 14Mb/s ceiling on wan to lan throughput. Add in lots of P2P connections and that could come down under the 10Mb/s mark. I really like the idea of the new RB750, I have one running right now and its capable of doing 98Mb/s TCP at about 60% cpu load. This is in the standard soho config (1 wan, 4 lan, nat, no queues) Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections Thanks ... this helps. One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times at least what the nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be ALL the routers in the system. Al -- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to address those conditions. The problem gets worse when Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets and/or lots of uploads. Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics. The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down. This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and Radios are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is gfoing to be up or down during the congestion time. Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because its common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. Therfore when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited amount of upload capacity gets saturated sooner. We took a two prong approach to fix. 1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs set to end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR speed). Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to have a time slice for uploading. 2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every users gets fair weight to available bandwdith. With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself. If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively to most ISPs. Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the 1-1.5 mbps level ranges. We run about 40-50 users per AP, selling 1mb and 2mb plans. But the key is Queuing If you dont have it, when congestion is reached packet loss occurs, and degregation is much more noticeable by the end user, because TCP will become way more sporatic in its self-tunning. We also learned faster speeds w/ Queuing worked much better than Limiting to slower speeds. We also learned avoid having speed plans higher than 60-70% of the radio speed, to minmiize the damage one person can do. VIDEO can quickly harm that model for the individual end user doing video, it prevents the video guy from harming all the other subs. Therefore if someone complains about speeds, its jsut teh one person that gets discruntled, not the whole subscriber base.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Al Stewart To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections Okay, that's the ideal ratio. Which under normal casual usage probably works great most of the time. But what happens if, say, 15 or 20 of them are all connected and using for downloads/uploads etc at the same
[WISPA] MT on Atom
Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? I noticed this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 I think this would make a decent router for the price. Your thoughts? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a set of realtek's. And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its always bulletproof. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom It's x86 so it should work. Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them especially. However much faith you want to put in SuperMicro is up to you - I have no experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? I noticed this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 I think this would make a decent router for the price. Your thoughts? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections
Depends on which one. I use to use a DGL-4300 one of there Gaming routers. And it would do about 80Mb/s Wan to Lan. Most of the new routers today are pretty well off. They still don't handle P2P all that well. But are way better then they were like 1 year ago. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Al Stewart stewa...@westcreston.ca Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:09 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections How do D-Link products rate in your experience? Al -- At 02:48 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Nick Olsen wrote: --- This could be a very touchy topic. Routers, are everywhere. Someone can't blame a router for all there problems because at some point your internet goes through a router. At your location or your ISP's its inevitable. But why have routers gotten such a bad name? I believe this is the fact that most SOHO routers are trash. Generally your average home user isn't doing much to notice a router. But then you get your users that are heavy on the P2P or something they find the router gets slow.. Most SOHO routers don't handle P2P very well because the number of connections. So they remove the router and it all works great suddenly. As for the actual question. No, most routers are not the cause of speed/bandwidth issues. As today most of them are decently equipped. I know back in the day I saw many a netgear 614 have about a 14Mb/s ceiling on wan to lan throughput. Add in lots of P2P connections and that could come down under the 10Mb/s mark. I really like the idea of the new RB750, I have one running right now and its capable of doing 98Mb/s TCP at about 60% cpu load. This is in the standard soho config (1 wan, 4 lan, nat, no queues) Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Al Stewart Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Simultaneous connections Thanks ... this helps. One more question. Do routers being used by the subscribers (wired or wireless) ever affect the speed/bandwidth. I don't see how that can be as they are designed to pass 10 Meg to the WAN, which is six times at least what the nominal bandwidth would be. One tech guy is trying to blame routers for all problems. But I have yet to see the logic in that. Unless of course one is malfunctioning or dying or something. But that can't be ALL the routers in the system. Al -- At 02:15 PM 10/15/2009 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: --- Everything goes to crap, unless you've put in bandwdith management to address those conditions. The problem gets worse when Traffic becomes... Lots of small packets and/or lots of uploads. Obviously Peer-to-Peer can have those characteristics. The bigger problem is NOT fairly sharing bandwidith per sub, but instead managing based on what percentage of bandwidth is going up versus down. This can be a problem when Bandwdith mangement is Full Duplex, and Radios are Half Duplex, and its never certain whether end user traffic is gfoing to be up or down during the congestion time. Generally congestion will happen in teh upload direction more, because its common practice to assume majority of bandwidth use is in teh download direction, so most providers allocate more bandwdith for download. Therfore when there is an unsuspecting surge in upload bandwdith, the limited amount of upload capacity gets saturated sooner. We took a two prong approach to fix. 1) We used Trango 900Mhz internal bandwidth management, to help. MIRs set to end user sold full speed, and CIR set really low (maybe 5% of MIR speed). Primary purpose was to reserve ENOUGH minimal capacity for end users to have a time slice for uploading. 2) At our first hop router, we setup Fair Weighted Queuing, so every users gets fair weight to available bandwdith. With 5.8Ghz, we did not use Bandwdith management on the trango itself. If you have good queuing, customers rarely ever notice when there is congestion. They might slow down to 100kbps now and then, but end uses really dont realize it for most applications, becaue the degragation of service rarely lasts long because oversubscription is low comparatively to most ISPs. Usually end use bandwidth tests will still reach in the 1-1.5 mbps level ranges. We run about 40-50 users per AP, selling 1mb and 2mb plans. But the key is Queuing If you dont have it, when congestion is reached packet loss occurs, and degregation is much more noticeable by the end user, because TCP will become way more sporatic in its self-tunning. We also learned faster speeds w/ Queuing worked much better than Limiting to slower speeds. We also learned avoid having speed plans higher than 60-70% of the radio speed, to minmiize the damage one person can do. VIDEO can quickly harm that model
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
My ignorance may be showing, but by 2xFE i assume you mean 2 fast ethernet adapters ie 10/100 both the adapters on that supermicro are Gig (10/100/1000) Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 8:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 13:10 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: Probably about the equivalent of the RB1000 (but only with 2 FE ports). About the equivalent of the rb1000? You gotta be kidding! RB1000 is 1.3GHz SINGLE CORE cpu. That one is 1.6GHz Dual-core. It'll be a LOT more different than just the 2XFE (vs 4XGig). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
I figure the RB1000 is faster, its made for routing. But I'm sure the atom platform could hold its ground. I'd mainly like to see bandwidth tests. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom In our bench testing, the RB1000 actually performs very well. You can't just compare CPU's (as I'm sure you know). The RB1000 was designed from the ground up to move packets. The Atom CPU was designed as an inexpensive computer system. I think I have a dual-core 1.6ghz Atom board and CPU (Intel brand of both) and an RB1000. I can run some performance tests... what do you want to see? Travis Microserv Butch Evans wrote: On Thu, 2009-10-15 at 13:10 -0600, Travis Johnson wrote: Probably about the equivalent of the RB1000 (but only with 2 FE ports). About the equivalent of the rb1000? You gotta be kidding! RB1000 is 1.3GHz SINGLE CORE cpu. That one is 1.6GHz Dual-core. It'll be a LOT more different than just the 2XFE (vs 4XGig). WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
Thats good to hear, I was really looking forward to replacing some of my boxes with these. I figured router, Pbx, Mail/DNS. As each one of those is running on like a p3 or a vm. Router is a amd 3000+ though. I just love that these are small, low power, rack mountable, low heat, oh and cheap. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:20 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom I've had a couple of these things. I'm currently firewalling an insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary nameserver (Gentoo Linux). These things have never even burped. I have an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros just get it done quietly. Nick Olsen wrote: Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a set of realtek's. And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its always bulletproof. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com , WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom It's x86 so it should work. Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them especially. However much faith you want to put in SuperMicro is up to you - I have no experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? I noticed this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 I think this would make a decent router for the price. Your thoughts? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams
Cogent has cheap bandwidth, and its decently peered. Only other one I can comment on is Level3. Here in orlando they have there share of outages/problems, but have good peering. Really, if your looking for a good mix of routes, with cheap bandwidth cogent is the way to go. They do a lot of peering. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Cogent has a bad rap but they have been solid for us for the past year. Prior to that they had a few hickups. Their peering is pretty good. Low latency to all major content sites. Level3 seems to have more outages than a provider of their reputation should. Savvis is has poor peering from what I hear. I'd like to add Abovenet or Global crossing to my mix. On 10/21/09, Marco Coelho wrote: I'm a GigE circuit to the mix, and I've got a choice of: Abovenet Cogent Global Crossing Level3 Savvis I'm looking for recommendations of who the better upstream is. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams
As we can all see, This is very dependent on market. Bret here has had a great time with cogent, where others are quick to say its a lesser provider. Arguing which carrier has better uptime is a waste of time. Long story short, Pick what is the best in that market. You might even get away with looking up some of the big company's in your city, and if they peer with someone you might also want to peer with (like cogent). Give them a call and see if you can get a tech, see what they have to say about $CARRIER in your area. They might tell you to jump in a lake, but you might get someone cool who is willing to talk. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Brad Belton wrote: While I agree no solution can be considered equal in any given location, there are trends or a general barometer to help place one carrier over another. Such as? This is exactly my point (being made by Tom, a Cogent customer!) why Cogent should not be depended on as a sole or primary Internet feed. If Cogent's all you got then you're SOL! Baloney, we've used them as one of our primary's for well over a year without hiccup. Our so other better providers have given us more frustration. Bottom line is any carrier can break. If you can only have one then find one that breaks the least. If you can have more than one, Cogent is a good low cost second or third to have in a pinch for relatively little cost. Where are you getting your data from? Curious as to why you feel they are a second or third alternative? Bret WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] juniper
Mikrotik BGP has come a long way. And is really stable in our testing. running 4.1 Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] juniper Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance greatly or if they are conservative in their promises. I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going through it pretty steady, and low on memory for more BGP. Mikrotik I love, but I don't trust their BGP and software feature testing in new software releases for something this important. This Juniper is about $3k and has pretty nice specs. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/j-series/j2350/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] juniper
Well, its been running a week, stable. With a full BGP table. Where 3.24 plus couldn't run a full bgp table for more then 4 hours, without idling out and coming back. I understand a week isn't nothing, But since about 3.28 with routing test, bgp has been as stable as the machine its running on. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:45 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] juniper I don't mean to be rude but 4.1 came out a week ago, how much testing could you have done?! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Mikrotik BGP has come a long way. And is really stable in our testing. running 4.1 Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: jp Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 3:29 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] juniper Anyone use their routers? I'm wondering if they overstate their performance greatly or if they are conservative in their promises. I'm considering using one to replace an aging Cisco. The Cisco has been reliable, but it's running out of steam with 150mbit going through it pretty steady, and low on memory for more BGP. Mikrotik I love, but I don't trust their BGP and software feature testing in new software releases for something this important. This Juniper is about $3k and has pretty nice specs. http://www.juniper.net/us/en/products-services/routing/j-series/j2350/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT Lamer question
What service are they trying to hit? FTP? SSH? If they are hitting SSH or FTP, and you don't have a use for them, just disable them. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] MT Lamer question Lamer question- I have a MT box we use for a public hotspot and logs reveal folks are trying to hack the password (from WAN, not actual customers) - IPs trace back to China and stuff.. anyhow - is there an easy way to implement a temporary (12 hour) or so ban on an IP after x attempts? Thanks. `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber
At that rate you could run your own fiber, including license fees for the poll's or underground. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Kevin Neal ke...@safelink.net Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber I was recently quoted $300,000 to break into a long-haul fiber route (not Verizon), that was to cover the bulk of the equipment costs to break in and then they could give me a good rate per megabyte. -Kevin On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:50 PM, John Valenti wrote: I'm assuming this is hopeless, but somebody here can probably confirm: Verizon has fiber running down the dirt road that passes by a grain leg I'm using. (I'm told it was put in for 911 service to Bath, MI) Is it possible to have them tap into it and sell bulk bandwidth to me? For less than 10s of thousand$? If it helps, there is a small concrete vault nearby that the fiber runs thru. The farmer says the cover has been left open on that for years. You can look in and see a metal can (about 8 by 2') that the fiber runs thru. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OSPF maximums
If I understand correctly, There is no limit. But I vaguely remember something about OSPF being unstable with 500+ routers. As you start to get to much crosstalk overhead. If its a big area you would need to do like OSPF and BGP I don't remember how it went, something like transit routes with ospf and advertise the customer space with bgp... Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jory Privett j...@wccs.net Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:33 AM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OSPF maximums For all of you routing gurus out there, On MikroTiks version, or any other brand, of OSPF what is the maximum number of routes or routers in a single OSPF Area? Is this only limitied by CPU/Memory or is there something else that dictates it? Jory WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2
And I find this 2 minutes later http://www.ubnt.com/downloads/loco2_datasheet.pdf sigh Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:19 PM To: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nanostation Loco2 I was thinking about getting one of these to have for using open wireless when I can't find any. Like keep it in the truck and have it if I can't find any wireless networks with just my laptop. So I'm curious as to how good they work. And what kind of power they are putting out. I Understand that receive sensitivity will be more of a factor in this case. I like that they are cheap, And can be used as a client. But Haven't found much on them in terms of specs. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client
Yeah, I think we settled on the loco2's for this purpose. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 6:32 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotspot Client Nick, Don't even stake a portion of your business on USB clients. Too many issues make them unreliable in my opinion. At 12:18 PM 11/5/2009, you wrote: So it seems that more often then not I run into the person that is right on the edge of our hotspot coverage. Normally they hear us pretty well, but we don't hear them that great. AP, is stronger then a laptop so it happens. We are looking for a client, USB, Ethernet anything. That is cheap (Less then about $100) anything that works well and is a little more juiced up then most laptops with built in wireless. Nick Olsen Brevard (321) 205-1100 x106 --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
I would say that pricing is fair. But I think on your website it should say Unlimited* Note the asterisk. If your using that 10Mb/s all day long 24/7, then that is dedicated bandwidth and you'll be charged accordingly. There is a data center in orlando, and on there dedicated servers you get like 2tb a month, with a $75/mb overage fee :| Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing But see that is the point Travis. I would have no problem with a client with 5 computers paying me $165 /month for unlimited service. But the customers want to download 65Gb a month for $39.99. Shoot at my office I have a well and Pump so I get free water. It cost $6,000.00 to put it in. But since I am on city sewer I had to put a meter on MY well to pay for the amount of water dumped into their sewer. NOTHING IS FREE and UNLIMITED here. I pay for metered electric, gas, phone, sewer, and backhaul from my provider. I expect it, why shouldn't my customers. I will be going to Metered billing for overages as stipulated in my AUP. I am just having a problem determining what will be my Limit per package. Like my $39.99 gets 10 Gig and my $59.99 package gets 20 Gig and a Unlimited Package for $89. I don't know what is Fair(yet). Verizon Wireless in our area gives 5 Gb/month and $.10 Mb for overages. That's $102 per Gig I was thinking more like $10/gig overage. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Wow... Verizon is screwing you... my family has 5 lines, 1200 minutes shared (national with carryover), unlimited text mesages and pics and I pay $165 per month total (including all taxes, surcharges, etc.). That's with ATT even. Travis Microserv Mike wrote: There are those (the 5%?) who will just try to max out the pipe all the time if that's what they perceive they are paying for. This thread is making me think through some of the cob webs which are rising uses on ALL of our networks. Christmas is coming, so are new game consoles. I constantly look at my Verizon bill and try to figure out how to trim it; I can't. Four phones, national plan, unlimited texting/pictures, 1200 shared minutes; we pay about $240.00 per month, or about $60.00 per phone. I view that as obscene, but also feel somewhat trapped. Verizon, ex-Alltel, ex-GTE, has the best network between Iowa and Florida where my phones reside. We've weaned ourselves away from the local rapacious monopolist -- Iowa Telecom -- but still throw money at Verizon and Dish network every month. If I wasn't a Hawkeye fan, I'd toss Dish out too, but I can't get the Big 10 network over-the-air. My point is, as far as communications costs go, Internet, if we were a customer instead of the vendor, would be a small portion of total monthly costs. Maybe it is time to rethink the whole paradigm. Except, if I make a bold move, competition would have to do the same thing, or I'd lose customers. I tried a tiered service once. My basic contract says 512 kbps. I let them burst to 2 or 4 M, whatever the pipe will let them do at the moment. If they have a persistent connection, and the pipe gets congested, I throttle them back by delaying packets. When I tried to sell tiered service with escalating minimum guarantees, I had few takers. Most of my customers are rural, unsophisticated, and bursty users. The business customers pay more and expect that to be the case. There seems to be a pain threshold of $45.00 for rural residential users. Mike At 08:45 AM 11/8/2009, you wrote: Not everyone uses 6Mbps all day long. On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 7:52 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.commailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Thats one way to utilize bandwidth shaping but how do you guaranteed minimum of 1.5Mbps, 4Mbps and 6Mbps at those low rates to every use and make money? Maybe I'm wrong but the problem I see is that you will end up having unhappy subscribers when their expectations are not met. Thats where the premium rates can come in. I find people all the time who would pay more for committed speeds if it can be delivered. BTW: Cricket Communications, subsidiary of Leap Wireless has lost money since its inception and continues to do so. Give me an example of an non-subsidized all you can eat service company in a competitive market that actually makes money (bottom line). On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:55
Re: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network.
I've only seen hulu use about 2mb/s max. Netflix I've heard will pull what you got, The more tubes the better the video it streams. When I watch hulu I see port 1935 a lot (i think its 1935) Looks like its time for some QoS, Which might not help much, normally it is good for making the videos load faster. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Joe Miller joe.mil...@dslbyair.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 10:18 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Netflix, Hula starting to creat issues with network. Has anyone experienced this yet? From doing research I've found that even Blue-Ray machines have Netflix software on them. I've been getting some calls lately regarding slow Internet at certain times of the day. I've researched what ports Netflix and Hula are using but cannot pin down what ports are being used. If Netflix is using Mpeg 4, then that is using close to 1.5 meg of continued streaming. How does one combat this type of traffic? I have a 20 meg metro E curcuit in place but if I have 1 or 2 customers on a single AP doing streaming, then the other 20 or so customers are calling and complaining about the slow Internet speeds. Regards, WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
It all depends on the ISP. All they are doing is looking for the abuse email on the network. For our network this is us. However, Some of the bigger ISP's (TWTC...ect) actually have a up to date whois that you can query, So you Put in the info for lets say 65.33.33.33 and it says TWTC but once you query there whois it will tell you hostingcompanyx is who we issued this ip to. Linux's whois does this all by default. The point I'm making is, It is possible for the customer to be the one to receive the email, Its all about who is listed as a abuse contact on the whois page. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Adam Goodman a...@wispring.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time. -Adam On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree. I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy. I pass it along and forget it. Not my job. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came from, When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP could become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point fingers at a customer. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: os10ru...@gmail.com os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems like then more of the burden might fall on you. GReg On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote: To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to protect their copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time. -Adam On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I agree. I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy. I pass it along and forget it. Not my job. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard studio letter. Wait for subpoena before giving the studios any information. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adam Goodman Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement We have received an email from our provider with a complaint from Twentieth Century FOX Film Corporation about a download movie from BitTorrent. They demand we notify the customer and make sure the customer is aware of our AUP. Has anyone received a notice like this and how did you handle the case. Are you following DMCA protocol, or taking another path? Thank you, Adam WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement
This is correct, But the cable companys hand out public addresses with DHCP. So you can say, Yeah This address was assigned to mac on this date. And they know the offending IP because it was in the email, But When you nat all your customers, the ip in the email is the IP assigned to the wan interface of your router, or whatever you are masquerading out. So you have no idea what the internal IP was the offender. And no log will tell you which one was. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Israel Lopez-LISTS ilopezli...@sandboxitsolutions.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 1:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement AFAIK your assertion that NAT/DHCP - has no way to know is not entirely correct. Just how most Cable companies require you to register the MAC address of your modem to tie to your account (DHCP has logs you know), University students sign up for dorm internet using their mac address (which they sometimes rewrite onto their modem), but someone's name is still on the 'account.' This is how I think those 'high exposure' for DMCA (especially university) handle DMCA to Violator lookups. One does not need to open up wireshark and start logging traffic for awhile. Sufficient logs with enough detail (IP MAC + cross reference against account holder) accurate timestamps should be enough to identify who is who at what time without violating your customer's privacy of their data. -I Jerry Richardson wrote: OK so let's play out the scenario. Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer ISP is NAT/DHCP - has no way to know Studio gets subpoena What now? At this point LEA is involved which demands cooperation. If the network is open WiFi, then there truly is no way to know. If the network is fixed installation, then the ISP could provide the information. So assuming it's a fixed installation, the ISP sets up a server with Wireshark or other packet capture and stores that data for1 day, 1 week, 1 month? At this point is the ISP breaking any privacy laws of customers that are NOT named in the subpoena? Not if the customer's TOA indicated that their Internet traffic MAY be stored and analyzed under legal request by LEA. Mind you this is all hypothetical. I'm just trying to understand the potential impact and exposire on the part of the ISP. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement So what does the law require? It doesn't. Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? If the law changes and says each customer is required to have a public IP, then ISPs need to be provided as such. Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs. Don't forget that the I have an open WiFi don't blame me case still works. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: good point. So what does the law require? Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static public IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement That works for current infringements but what about those last night? last week? last month? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the offending customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this. I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP for the server delivering copyrighted information. The ISP has to be tracking CPE MACs. Use MT's torch or Wireshark to look at connections across the network to find the BT server IP. Match the connection to the MAC and there you go. Maybe there is an easier way. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement Really to cover yourself
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
I'm also looking for these, So +1 :) Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2
Where from? Or was this a case of Nick not being able to detect internet sarcasm. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 4:10 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 The boat has arrived..! Shesh I was able to order so much that now I have to find a way to hide it from the wife. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Data Technology Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 I think they need a bigger boat!! Robert West wrote: Yeah, but I call them by a different name, Microtik411RS2CardPacGridOutdoorEnclosure. It's gotten to the point that my substitute for the NS2 has actually become in use more than what it has been substituted for. *sigh* Word has it they're on the boat. Always on the boat. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 9:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Nano Sation 2 Need NS2's anyone have them? Steve Barnes Manager PCS-WINhttp://www.pcswin.com/ RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Servicehttp://www.rcwifi.com/ Character cannot be developed in ease and quiet. Only through experience of trial and suffering can the soul be strengthened, vision cleared, ambition inspired, and success achieved. - Helen Keller _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Lists Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:47 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Thank You for Your Service! I know that many WISPs are Veterans. I think the business of being a WISP sort of attracts the vets. It is the business of going where no one has gone before, making it work and storming the path. I want to say, Thank you for your Service and it was an honor to serve! To all you USMC vets, Semper Fi! God bless, Victoria Proffer - President/CEO StLouisBroadband.comhttp://stlbroadband.com/ ShowMeBroadband.comhttp://showmebroadband.com/ Rural Missouri Wireless Project. 314.974.5600 * Fax 573.747.4756 Follow us on Twitter.com @stlbroadband SBA Certified WOSB File: ATT1.c OLE Object: Picture (Device Independent Bitmap) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom
Didn't know the atom boards even had PCI-E Who makes the Network card? I know we have a few of the intel 4xgige cards and they work great with mikrotik. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 4:21 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom Travis, If the machine is USB or CD bootable boot up a Linux live cd and see if works. If it does you know MT is the issue. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:17 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, Did you do anything to get the 4 port GigE card working? I purchased the single port PCI-E card and can't get it to work. MT doesn't see it at all. :( Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: We bought several of the Supermicro Atom 330 units, with the case tha t has I/O on the front and added a PCI-E Intel GigE 4 port card. We have been very happy with them, Mikrotik reports 4 CPUS! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom Thats good to hear, I was really looking forward to replacing some of my boxes with these. I figured router, Pbx, Mail/DNS. As each one of those is running on like a p3 or a vm. Router is a amd 3000+ though. I just love that these are small, low power, rack mountable, low heat, oh and cheap. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com cmaur...@xyonet.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:20 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom I've had a couple of these things. I'm currently firewalling an insurance company on one (vyatta), I had one firewalling the local budweiser distributor (pfsense) and I was using one as a primary nameserver (Gentoo Linux). These things have never even burped. I have an intel system that has given me lots of trouble, but these supermicros just get it done quietly. Nick Olsen wrote: Oh I understand that its a barebone system, so it needs ram and storage. Realtek nics, I don't really have a comment on. I love the intel pro/1000GT's (not realtek, i know), and haven't had much seat time with a set of realtek's. And supermicro stuff is always good. They are bigger in the rackmount/server side of the market. I've worked with a lot of it and its always bulletproof. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 3:07 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com , WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT on Atom It's x86 so it should work. Doesn't have RAM, you'll need to buy that. It has Realtek NICs. Worst things in the world. Linux hates them especially. However much faith you want to put in SuperMicro is up to you - I have no experience. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Has anyone tried Mikrotik on a atom board? I noticed thishttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101262 I think this would make a decent router for the price. Your thoughts? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
If you have a webserver (which I assume you do). You can download the mini speedtest from the speedtest.net site. Then you can run a speedtest from your colo to the client. That way they are pulling bandwidth from something at the same point as your transport and that should be the speed they can reach on the net if they find something that can hand them that much bandwidth. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 2:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the client end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same. Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the client, just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows automatically. Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little more mature. We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client that are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. The big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to have. Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!! George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 in AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax option, only if it's in AP mode. So, if you are not in AP mode on the 5M then AirMax isn't an issue. Have you tried setting the 5M as the AP the NS5 as the client? That's if you are doing this on the bench.. :) Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5 as well. All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: In the Advanced tab you'll see Enable AirMax. If it's not checked then it's off. If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer units from the old, at least I haven't been able to. But I've been connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but I've only been using 20mhz channels. Are you doing 20mhz or 10? Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can connect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How do you turn off TDMA? -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm confused. Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a NanoStation 5M? The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA. Sucks. I heard that the older could run TDMA but it's too much for them to be stable. At least that's the story. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Will a Bullet5 connect to a B5M? -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yep. Those are gonna be the winner, as far as I'm concerned. And still less than the 89 buck 1x bullet, no antenna. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 1:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BulletM antennas The NanoBridge looks much more useful 2x2 MIMO, 22 dBi gain, 8* beam width, 12 diameter. I told them I'd pay up to $150 for something like this, and they MSRP it for $80. Shipping in January
Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas
I Have to say, From what I've done with UBNT gear, Its been working really well. And its all very priced very well. MT has some major competition with them in the picture. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 3:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I actually prefer it that way, though I haven't used AirMax yet. Then you don't have to worry about leaving a CPE stranded if you forget to change the setting. I can't wait for stable firmware and stocking to take advantage of this. I'm seriously considering leaving MT wireless for UBNT wireless (retaining MT for everything else). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: George Morris ghmor...@candlelight.ca Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas This is quite confusing that you have no control over AirMAX at the client end. I'm more used to Nstreme where both ends have to be set the same. Saying that, its really cool that you don't have to worry about the client, just shift the AP in and out of AirMAX to suit and the client follows automatically. Its going to be very, very cool once this firmware becomes just a little more mature. We already have customers hanging off a Rocket sector / Nano 5M client that are getting 36Mb symmetrical into a speedtest.net server in Montreal. The big challenge now is to find an Internet speedtest server capable of reliably delivering real readings to the customers. A nice problem to have. Merry Christmas to all of you and a happy, healthy and prosperous New Year!! George -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 10:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas I tried it both ways but probably missed the settign when I had the BM5 in AP mode. Will retry. Thanks! -RickG On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 12:26 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: If the Bullet 5M is in station mode then you won't have the AirMax option, only if it's in AP mode. So, if you are not in AP mode on the 5M then AirMax isn't an issue. Have you tried setting the 5M as the AP the NS5 as the client? That's if you are doing this on the bench.. :) Make sure you have the firmware up to date on the NS5 as well. All the ones I've been installing are the M5 as the AP. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 12:12 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Not finding that. See attached. Do you have version5? I note in the ubnt forums says you cant disable it. Aslo attached. -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: In the Advanced tab you'll see Enable AirMax. If it's not checked then it's off. If it's on, you won't even see the SSID of the newer units from the old, at least I haven't been able to. But I've been connecting my older NS5's to the newer stuff with no problem but I've only been using 20mhz channels. Are you doing 20mhz or 10? Try doing a plain vanilla config on both sides and see if you can connect. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 11:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Trying to get a bullet5 to connect to a Bullet5M. Not much luck. How do you turn off TDMA? -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm confused. Will it connect to a AirGrid 5 or maybe a NanoStation 5M? The older Bullet 5 will connect to them but AirMax has to be turned off because the older equipment doesn't support TDMA. Sucks. I heard that the older could run TDMA but it's too much for them to be stable. At least that's the story. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2009 10:35 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bullet5 was BulletM antennas Will a Bullet5 connect to a B5M? -RickG On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Yep. Those are gonna be the winner, as far as I'm concerned. And still less than the 89 buck 1x bullet, no antenna. -Original Message- From
[WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall
We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow. It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we could test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do. Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone had a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any insight on getting it to play nice with mikrotik. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall
We have opened all of the ports to there router. I'm trying right now to see if dstnating everything to one laptop will make it work but I don't think so since they never have to do that. But here is the weird part. On torch when we see the attempt the dst ip is 192.168.0.4 which isn't going to work. A packet capture on the laptop shows it attempting to hit the real public IP space 195something But I don't see it on torch. We have opened all ports to it. 3rd part. If I do some routing black magic and dst nat 192.168.0.4 to 195something it connects, but they can't pass any traffic over it. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall More: Port 443 and 444 need to be open -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall This is specific to Checkpoint VPN: Allow the following services: TCP/264 (Topology Download) TCP/256 UDP 259 IKE IPSEC and IKE (UDP on port 500) IPSEC ESP (IP type 50) IPSEC AH (IP type 51) TCP/500 (if using IKE over TCP) UDP 2746 or another port (if using UDP encapsulation) SecureClient specific connections: FW1_scv_keep_alive (UDP port 18233) - used for SCV keep-alive packets FW1_pslogon_NG (TCP port 18231) or (TCP port 65524 for Application Intelligence) - used for SecureClient's logon to Policy Server protocol FW1_sds_logon (TCP port 18232) - used for SecureClient's Software Distribution Server download protocol tunnel_test (UDP port 18234) - used by Check Point tunnel testing application -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:12 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall Perhaps this will help http://www.spywarepoint.com/ipsec-ports-t43658.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:55 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow. It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we could test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do. Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone had a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any insight on getting it to play nice with mikrotik. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall
Yeah, Were going to try that next. Have to wait till the english speaking tech gets back Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:27 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall I think this was mentioned, but what is you bypass the routers and connect the laptop directly to the network? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall We have opened all of the ports to there router. I'm trying right now to see if dstnating everything to one laptop will make it work but I don't think so since they never have to do that. But here is the weird part. On torch when we see the attempt the dst ip is 192.168.0.4 which isn't going to work. A packet capture on the laptop shows it attempting to hit the real public IP space 195something But I don't see it on torch. We have opened all ports to it. 3rd part. If I do some routing black magic and dst nat 192.168.0.4 to 195something it connects, but they can't pass any traffic over it. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 2:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall More: Port 443 and 444 need to be open -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall This is specific to Checkpoint VPN: Allow the following services: TCP/264 (Topology Download) TCP/256 UDP 259 IKE IPSEC and IKE (UDP on port 500) IPSEC ESP (IP type 50) IPSEC AH (IP type 51) TCP/500 (if using IKE over TCP) UDP 2746 or another port (if using UDP encapsulation) SecureClient specific connections: FW1_scv_keep_alive (UDP port 18233) - used for SCV keep-alive packets FW1_pslogon_NG (TCP port 18231) or (TCP port 65524 for Application Intelligence) - used for SecureClient's logon to Policy Server protocol FW1_sds_logon (TCP port 18232) - used for SecureClient's Software Distribution Server download protocol tunnel_test (UDP port 18234) - used by Check Point tunnel testing application -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:12 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall Perhaps this will help http://www.spywarepoint.com/ipsec-ports-t43658.html -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 10:55 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] CheckPoint VPN/firewall We have a customer that is playing host to some Russian Guests, They are trying to connect to a checkpoint vpn in moscow. It looks like it is standard IPsec. It won't connect on our network, But will on other networks. We've torched to hell and back on what might be happening. But because of language barriers and the fact that they can't leave the facility they are at, or set us up any type of test VPN we could test with to fix the problem we have come to a standstill on what to do. Our network is all mikrotik based. What we were hoping for is if anyone had a check point vpn/firewall we could test with or if anyone had any insight on getting it to play nice with mikrotik. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob
Not really. Being in Asia and all. We have had this happen to us before. Just have to wait for them to go away. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 10:32 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to some of the bigger email providers like aol, yahoo, and hotmail. I tracked the originating IP down to somewhere in Asia and reported them to the holder of the Whois information there. Anything else I can do? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob
This assumes that the receiving party drops mail based on SPF. And still, most of the time it will bounce the message saying it failed spam checks or something like that. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Matt Hardy mha...@ligowave.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] domain spam attack - JoeJob You can implement the use of SPF records in your dns/mx settings. This will tell mail servers which use SPF checking (which many do) to only allow mail from your domain name to come from the mail servers / IPs that you specify (in the SPF records) are allowed. Any mail coming from non-allowed IPs are blocked... -Matt On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 10:31 -0500, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Does anyone have any experience with having an attack done on your domain where the sender spoofs the header and then puts your domain in it as the sender. I think this is called a JoeJob and we are getting 1000's of the bounced messages because of it and are now having difficulty sending to some of the bigger email providers like aol, yahoo, and hotmail. I tracked the originating IP down to somewhere in Asia and reported them to the holder of the Whois information there. Anything else I can do? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot?
You'll never catch everything. Once its encrypted its really hard to block. What your better off doing is blocking what you can, And when you have a problem, Queue that user down to something you see acceptable. I've had people yell and scream that you can't do this, Like comcast got nailed for. But the catch is, They were doing it all the time. Not only when there was congestion/high latency on the network. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 9:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How to block p2p traffic in public Wi-Fi hotspot? MikroTik firewall filter rule using the all-p2p matcher and drop as action? On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 4:34 AM, Roman consulttele...@gmail.com wrote: Dear readers, Do you have any experience with successful blocking of P2P (eDonkey, Torrents etc.) traffic in your wireless networks? Any user who uses torrent client at his PC can effectively consume a lot of bandwidth of Wi-Fi access point, leaving other honest users with small portion of throughput. Port blocking does not help because nowadays P2P clients use random ports, encryption and other means to hide traffic patterns. I suppose that only one distinctive feature of such traffic exists: its ability to consume effective bandwidth. Do you happen to know or use any traffic shaping tools which can limit throughput per user? Thank you in advance for any thoghts, ideas etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Can't say I have. But its been a busy switch, And it hasn't missed a beat. Only thing is, I wish it had SSH. Hit me off list if you want to take a look at the web management interface. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:39 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Nick- Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port version. Any experience with the 2810 series? Thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s
I would say there is no real easy way to test it. Atleast not outside of your network and a hop or two upstream. Maybe find someone near you that has that kind of bandwidth also. I know TW Telecom has iperf servers you can test your connection on. But only if your their customer. Maybe your provider has something similar. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] bandwidth testing at 1-2 Gb/s I'm adding 2 diverse 1 Gigabit / sec pipes to my network through a 7606 Cisco router. The first question is other than testing one pipe against the other, how do you test a 1 gig pipe for throughput? If I just test against myself, I won't be able to determine where the problem is. I've had a hard time even finding a decent external test site to test customers 50M connections. Anyone in the North / East Texas area needing bandwidth, I'm upgrading all my tower backhauls to either 440M or full 1G for the first few hops. So anywhere within 70 miles of Greenville, Texas we should have lot's of pipe available at a very reasonable price. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
The 1810G-24 can. The 1800-24 8 can't. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain. John Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Nick- Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port version. Any experience with the 2810 series? Thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features, but allows ports to have names.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:24 AM Subject: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.560 / Virus Database: 270.12.26/2116 - Release Date: 5/15/2009 6:16 AM --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Not that I'm aware of. I'm sure some of the higher end switches do it (cisco..ect..) RouterOS always does it for me. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Can any of these GB switches (or any brand) give realtime statistics on mbps passing through a router port? I recognize SNMP can query a port's packet count, and the math done via a third party utility. But I'm refering to logging in via telnet or web, and having an easy weay to watch the throughput passing? The reason I'm asking is that this is relevent for Bandwdith testing of Backbones, where one can always run an end to end bandwdith test, but taht is meaning less if the pre-existing capacity used is not identified. This is one reason we use Linux routers at each hop, is we can watch all traffic per hop. Wondering if any switches can relicate that for us? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thanks, that is good to know. It looks like the 1810G-24 can be upstream powered using POE. That could be a good thing for a WISP. John Nick Olsen wrote: The 1810G-24 can. The 1800-24 8 can't. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 12:20 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Try to find out what mac address is on which port-you can't do that with the HP 1800's, you need something higher up the food chain. John Scott Vander Dussen wrote: Nick- Thanks for the info - I'm looking at specifications between the HP ProCurve 1810G Switch Series http://bit.ly/5g2F0B and HP ProCurve 2810 Switch Series http://bit.ly/5Nqvwc It seems much of the capabilities are the same, with the 2810 offering a bit more horsepower at about 2x the cost - plus the 2810 series offers a 48 port version. Any experience with the 2810 series? Thanks in advance. `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I've always been a fan of the HP switches, The 1800-24G is nice, But the new one I'm liking is the 1810G-24 24 Port Gig, Port mirroring...ect.. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Yes, you are correct, several typical models, such as 100mb L2 and AL2 (These are Both full featured VLAN switches with different OSs which are similar to their equivellent gig version) only support mirroring in TX or RX per port, not simultaneous. For example To Do Calea monitoring it would be necessary to mirror two ports. For example, TX on the customer port, and RX on the backbone port, and sort through it. But I did not check the highest end SMC yet. I'll plug one in, and check for you, shortly.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations Thx Tom- really only need rx/tx port mirroring - can your smc switch do that? I have some smcs that can only do rx or tx but not at the same time. Thx for info. Thanks, 'S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Jan 12, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends on your Requrements for the switch, that is not enough info. SMC has a fully featured switch that we love, the 24 cat5 Gig port (w/ 4 fiber module ports) model is about $750. It does everything.(complete VLAN, Multiple spanning tree, good monitoring stats, SNMP, Command prompt also, can Label Ports with names, etc) SMC has a 24 port Gig model for about $500 that does a lot, but you cant label ports with names. Then if all you want is WebSmart switch, now you are in the $300 range. And there are lots of manufacturer options for webSmart type. NetGear has a good one for about $550, might even have OSPF, but lacks a few VLAN features
Re: [WISPA] Customers are great
You have to remember, Only 8% of the worlds Population has common sense. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 4:15 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customers are great *Slams head on desk* Does it make any logical sense for those two little rabbit ear antennas in your house to be able to reach Chicago? On 5/20/09, Jack Unger wrote: Seriously, wireless technology keeps advancing faster than anyone's ability to educate the general public about what wireless is. Steve Barnes wrote: I operate a Fixed Wireless ISP in a 1 county area in eastern Indiana. I got a call from a client this morning very upset that her internet was down. My secretary very nicely tried to help the client understand that we would help figure out the problem but that we had not received any other calls from other clients on the tower and that we would have a tech help her out. The tech gets on the phone and starts looking at the tower and the radio to see that there is no issue and can even see that the ARP table shows a connection to their router at the house. Tech: So my secretary says that your internet isn't working. Client: Right, it worked earlier today on this same laptop but now nothing. Tech: Has anything changed today, power blink or anything that you are aware of. Client: not that I know of. Tech: Have you gone through the process of rebooting the Radio and Router.. Client: How am I supposed to do that. Tech: Just unplug the power to those two units. Client: I can't get to them right now. Tech: Oh I am sorry we must have installed them in a way that is inaccessible, can you tell me how your laptop is hooked up wireless or via the Ethernet cable. Client: Well its wireless at home and its wireless here in my car. Tech: Not that it's my business but why are you in your car. Client: I'm on my way to Chicago. Tech: So your not at home. Client: No, 75 miles from home. Tech: Do you have a wireless card from you cellular carrier. Client: No I have your service. You guys said that if I bought a router I could use it anywhere. Tech: Anywhere in your home. Client: What good will that do me in Chicago. Tech: I'm Sorry Our service is a Fixed Wireless internet service to your location and the wireless router lets the signal go 300ft at the most. That is your service area. That's what you get for $39 a month. Client: That's really great that's not what I want. How do I get a contract that will cover the whole country. Tech: Verizon or sprint. Client: But I can't even use my cellophane at home the signal is so bad. Tech: It's a better signal then your router will be in Chicago. Steve Barnes RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Follow me on Twitter - wireless_jack WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Water tower question
Bring it down along the ladder? Just drop it all the way down then as you descend secure it? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless From: Jason Hensley jhens...@mozarks.com Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 12:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Water tower question We've gotten access to two water towers that are what I call bubble towers. An example is here: http://www.watertowers.com/photos_314_Arboretum_Water_Tower.html Obviously we'll have to sector around it, etc etc, not worried about that. Question is, for anyone who has mounted on a tower like this, how do you get your cabling to the ground? Do you go down the legs or is there some other way to do it? Only way we've come up with is to either rappel down or talk the fire dept into helping with their ladder truck and bring the cables down one of the legs. Neither option is very attractive. Is there some other way to get the cabling down the tower? Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up
There are scripts on the mikrotik wiki, it will be a script. That will ping a device, and if it goes down, you can have it switch default routes, or disable a interface, you name it. Check the wiki. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Alan Long alan.l...@aerowire.net Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:23 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] mikrotik how to check something other than def gw for link up I am going to setup a mt 493ah for load balancing, and I see where to setup check for def gw for internet up. How can I set it for checking something other than def gw, something past the def gw? I posted on mt forum, but no response yet..Thanks for any help.. Alan Alan Long Director of Network Operations Aerowire rn%2C+AL+36830country=us 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 alan.l...@aerowire.net tel: mobile: mail=along5...@yahoo.com 3342759998 mail=along5...@yahoo.com 336092 nvite=1=en Always have my latest info Want a signature like this? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone?
It doesn't work, He talked me into getting one :s Now for ATT to give me my upgrade Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:29 AM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? That's not a bad setup though. Stop talking your evil to me, you devil! Outta my head, Satan!!! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:20 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Yeah, my phone on one climb serves the following functions (while on tower) Phone Email SSH into gear Network monitor to make sure all devices are up and running GPS Can take nice photos of the equipment and inside box while up there to assist memory later Can adjust level and tilt of radios (yes, phone has precise apps for this :) Mileage log (milog) to capture mileage on way there and back (and everywhere else I go) and probably more I'm not thinking about No level, no walkie, no computer, no gps, no camera -- just my iPhone 3GS (with 2 year $86 replacement insurance from squaretrade) Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Chuck Bartosch Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? The problem then, is that far more of us are going to be using these new fangled devices and aren't going to have so much knowledge (less as time goes on) about the older ones. However, until I got my iPhone, I felt *exactly* like you did about cell phones. I had zero use for color and not much more for the camera...and it used to piss me off to no end that Verizon had disabled the ability to send pictures you DID take over blue tooth so you didn't have to pay them their extra fee to send a photo. That still grates on me actually, just remembering it ;-). It's not that ATT suddenly gave up all the practices of the Carriers (they did actually give up some though), but that the iPhone (and I hear the Pre is similar) is just so easy to access that functionality and it is s frigging easy to use, and there's so much you can do with so little effort...that it's become a deice I'd find it difficult to work without. Think about it...you're up on a tower and can telnet into a device using your phone, take pictures of the installation, talk to the guy on the ground or the office to coordinate, enter data into a database or check data you need...it's really quite useful. Of course, that has nothing to do with your question now. Chuck On Aug 21, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Robert West wrote: Well, for one I'm not a cell phone geek. Geek in everything else but not the cell. I prefer a cell phone that makes a phone call and receive a phone call and that's about it. It's small, sits in my pocket and if I trash the thing somehow, no love lost. (I still use our Motorola Spirit radios for communication to persons down on the ground while on a tower, I know I'll always have a signal with those) I also have this huge issue with having to pay extra to a cell provider to use a feature that has absolutely nothing to do with them. The GPS in the phone is in the phone and if I pay them whatever the going rate is plus this fee and that fee, they will be ever so nice to unlock a feature that was manufactured into my phone that I own outright but they have been blocking with a software edit. I also come from the world of non-integrated components, as in stereo geek from the 70's. I'm on the flip side and could never understand why someone would want everything rolled up in one package. One part goes bad, you throw out all the good parts with the bad. That's probably why I'm a roll your own kinda wireless provider as well and when I buy this GPS, I'll maybe have it for 10 years at least, the cell phone 2 possibly 3 years on the outside. Plus, when the cell phone has problems and I have to send it in, replace it or whatever I'm only out a cell phone, not the other things that are integrated. It's just a different sort of mindset of what we're comfortable with. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Handheld GPS recommendations, anyone? Good God, half the cell phones on the planet have GPS built into them. I used a Motorola Razr as a GPS on my last trip to Virginia a couple of years ago
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!?
Plug a laptop or some other device into the same port, and ping from the PC router to that device. Same results? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:58 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com e...@wisp-router.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!? You've looked into CPU load and firewall stuff, right? I too would try a new POE - only $20 to help find out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:53 PM, wrote: Try replace the poe injector. I seen similar behavior when the poe unit gotten damaged but not enough to stop traffic all together especially when it's not just a simple straight passive injector like our poe-in-w. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: sa...@michianawireless.com Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 12:50:45 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Weirdness!? Ok, Im going bonkers. We are getting ping drops from our Mikrotik devices to the other. Our main router is PC based with one of those 4 port RB cards in it. Starting the other day out of the blue the net started acting funky and we were getting large pauses. So I started pinging. Get ping loss from the main router to everything. average pps going through the router 585 and transfers around 4m at the moment. We switched out the pc and even used an integrated ethernet port on the new pc to check connectivity to the other devices via means other than the RB 4 port ethernet card to make sure that wasnt going bad. But no improvement STILL getting pings loss. Switched cables. STILL. Latest OS. Now here is the wierd part I do not get. We have our backhaul radio connected directly to the onboard ethernet port on the pc router. Running a ping from the pc router to the radio port in the ping specifying to use not ANY but the backhaul port as we labeled it will get us around 10-15% packet loss. While at the same time running a ping from the bachaul radio to the router gets 0% packet loss using the same method. How is this possible? PC PORT (ethernet cable) RADIO ETH = Lost packets Radio ETH (ethernet cable) PC PORT = 0 Lost packets ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages
Talk about Getting your moneys worth in the unlimited text package. Without a package its 25 a message, Which would have made your bill your standard monthly charge plus $7,625. .25x30500 I think the bigger question is. How much time is your daughter wasting texting while in school? /me assumes shes in highschool at 18 (senior I figure). Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: St. Louis Broadband li...@stlbroadband.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 12:09 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT - Text Messages I am reviewing my ATT wireless bill. I have myself, my mother and my daughter on a family plan. My mother received 8 text messages, which I am sure she does not know that she has. I received 297 text messages. Some of those were forwards from another email account. However, my 18 year old daughter received 30,500 text messages! How can this be? How can they type on a qwerty board, or actual phone keypad faster than I on a laptop/computer? She has a facebook account, a twitter, and many other accounts/tech that I am not familiar with. Is this a sign of the times or of my age? I started in the Internet industry in 1993. I remember my first AOL annual bill totaling over $5k and this was for 28.8 kbps. That is when I figured that this industry was going to be profitable...darn me for daring to going into fixed wireless. Just had to rant...30,500 txt msgs...omg! Victoria WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik
I would assume its possible, On the mikrotik router under connection tracking, Maybe drop some of the times? No clue if that will really hurt something or not, but it should make your connections clear faster. Nat at the ISP level sounds like a nightmare. Like Scott said, get yourself a real block and start moving people over to it. Well define come to It will do IPv6 on alot of things. I'm running a 6to4 tunnel, addressing by neighbor discovery. And OSPFv3. So far the only thing that gets me is torch doesn't work on ipv6, rather you don't see and of the traffic. With your lan side of the router, if your address space is a /64 you can just click advertise and computers find themselves a address (vista and xp (with ipv6 package)). Linux will also get a address, but I still prefer static ipv6. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 2:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NAT Limits on StarOS/Mikrotik On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:30:55PM -0600, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: connections coming into it. This server is running StarOS. We have about 1700 subs NATted behind a single IP address on this server. Behind it, I have a Mikrotik server that is handling all traffic coming into that server from the private network side. Looking at the IP/Firewall/Connections listing on this server, I see 69000-71000 items Time to use more IPs. The one server may be able to handle the load, but you need a pool of IPs. I'd go for 8 or 16 IPs to start with and try to get down to 1 IP for 100 or 200 hosts. Then I'd go get a /20 from ARIN, to start, and work on doing it without the NAT. You have the hosts to justify it. That many subs on PPPoE would probably only need a /21, but with DHCP subnets per sector, you could need a /19 or more. I dislike NAT at the ISP level. It's not horrible at the SOHO level. Has IPv6 come to the Mikrotik/StarOS world? -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
I think the NAT isn't the issue here. The nat gets to the xbox when it comes to A. connecting to a game. or B. Hosting a game. Once they are in a game it shouldn't be a nat issue. The xbox 360 doesn't use much when it comes bandwidth. But think about it more like a VOIP call. Its very sensitive to jitter and packet loss. Also, When it comes to the xbox world the servers aren't always up to par. This is because most games have the user hosting a server and everyone connects to that person. Well most people don't have the internet for that. Or they are far away and the latency just getting to them is bad. So you may not be the bad guy here. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I think double nat can cause a problem for that sometimes. A low quality home firewall/router can also contribute. Lend the customer a different router and see if that helps. On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:18:57AM -0500, Mike wrote: They ARE behind a double nat. They are a rural pocket of family I feed with a sector, then have a repeater on one of the buildings. I put a robust client in the house, and a switch. This one has a long Ethernet cable from the switch to the XBox. They tested at almost 2M down and almost 3M up. Have you set up QOS queues for XBox? Mike At 10:15 PM 10/4/2009, you wrote: What kind of network topology do you have between your head end and their Xbox? Two or more layers of NAT, from what I read, bother the Xbox. What kind of bandwidth does he get after a speed test? Xbox uses a lot more then I expect. I remember at a LAN party the 1.5 meg T1 was full by 3-4 Xboxes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: I at least 15% of my customers use 360 and none have problems... and two of them (myself included) are highly intolerant of network issues. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Mike Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 9:41 PM To: ; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there a down side? I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the list. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
This is correct. Left 4 Dead does have central hosted servers. Same with the PC side of left 4 dead. And yes. IPX Those were dark times. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:55 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I hate IPX. I really do. From what I know Left 4 Dead on the Xbox is using central hosting servers now. I believe the games with larger volume players such as Bad Company do this as well. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:53 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: 2009/10/5 David E. Smith : Mike Hammett wrote: I miss it back in the day when game servers were centrally hosted. These things, like many things, seem to go in cycles. We've gone from central (text-based MUDs, games on the old AOL and CompuServe) to distributed (DOOM and Quake, the first couple generations of FPS games) to centralized (more recent FPS games based on the Half-Life engine, though players still can host their own) to some of each (right now, where there's a good mix of people playing centralized MMO games like World of Warcraft, along with player-hosted PS3 and 360 games). Back in my day, we had to run Fossil or IPX if we wanted multiplayer. None of this fancy schmancy IP connectivity! You kids today have it too good! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
This is true. I believe the general rule of thumb is no less then a /24. could be wrong though. I know we don't advertise anything smaller then a /24. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:07 PM To: wireless wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Actually there are other ways to influence inbound traffic other than specific routes or AS Prepending (i.e. MED). The problem with more specific routes is that some ISP's will drop routes that have a small subnet (i.e too specific) as a way to reduce there BGP tables. Here is the logic behind the decision to enter a BGP route into the actual routing table: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/internetworking/technology/handbook/bgp.html #wp1020647 You are probably better of talking with your BGP peers as to what they will look for when influencing you inbound traffic. Cheers, P. -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:b...@belwave.com] Sent: 05 October 2009 17:29 To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt You mention send traffic, but do you mean receive traffic? Or both? To influence your outbound traffic (send) you can simply add a filter rule that sets a higher cost to the path you do not wish to prefer. To influence your inbound traffic (receive) you can only try and influence how traffic comes to you via pre-pending your ASN or by announcing more specific routes out the path you prefer to use. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Ya, its kind of hard to know what you want to do. You can setup costs so that one provider is cheaper than the other, prepends for inbound etc. I would have to take a look really to go, here is the best way. .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt Awesome but that wasn't much help lol. John Buwa Michiana Wireless,Inc 574-233-7170 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 5, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote: Plenty of ways :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Sales Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Bgp and mt We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary. Thanks John --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360
Have a friend that runs uPNP with the xbox and mikrotik (3.25?) and it works. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 2:17 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I haven't been successful in getting MT uPNP to work with the XBox... then again, I haven't tried since 2.9 days. Does it work now? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 1:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I know Xbox don't like NAT at all. Even just single nat. What I did on my own home router was to turn on upnp on the inside and that solved te issues but then my home router was the only nay device and had public ip on it's wan interface (my home router is of course a MT box). /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:38:41 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] XBOX 360 They haven't gotten any not good enough messages from the xbox. I assume the fix of which you speak was done on the client router and not your core equipment? Ping times from my monitoring position, through a wireless router in my home, out a customer client (I have us set up just like a customer) through my core, back out a sector, to their repeater sector, out their repeater, through a client in the house and finally a switch varies from 4ms to 7ms USUALLY. The client sector facing my tower is set up as a bridge. The repeater connected to it is set up to do DHCP and NAT. The client in the house is set up as a bridge to let the repeater do all the DHCP/NAT. So, there really is only one place the IPs are natted. I will tell him to 1) make sure his firmware is the latest. I think you can just update from the Xbox, tight? 2) to try different games or a different group of users to see if it's the server or not. I guess I never knew the servers were out in other users homes, kinda like P2P or a sort of distributed computing? I guess I thought the Xbox live servers were centrally located. Mike At 09:02 AM 10/5/2009, you wrote: The only issue we have with Xbox are situations where XBOX Live tells the end user that their router is not a high enough level of compatibilty, so it is not allowed to connect with all Xbox live sessions.. (sorry I forget the exact term they use). To Fix that it requires two things... 1) The port forward rules... TCP/UDP 3074 and UDP 88. 2) for Linksys under security, uncheck everything Block Anonymous Internet Requests , Filter Multicast , Filter Internet NAT Redirection , Filter IDENT(Port 113). Not every thing there matters, but I forget which one or two is relevent. For us Xbox performance has not been an issue, and it should be noted that we only have residential customers on Trango 900Mhz sectors, averaging 40 homes per sector. There is just a big a chance that the XBOX users are getting congestion on XBOX's Hosted Server side of the connection, dependant on which they are using to establish connection. If you suspect your network, then I'd look for basic network quality type things like latency and packet loss on all hops end to end. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike To: ; WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2009 10:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] XBOX 360 I have a couple XBOX 360 players saying they are having lag issues. It seems a low bandwidth consumer. How are you guys optimizing for them? I'd like to try and make them happier. Is there a down side? I know Marlon asked last winter but a good answer never appeared on the list. Thanks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware
In my testing most of those don't work, or there isn't one for what i want to do. Only one I currently use in production is the Skype-to-skype L7 for marking skype voip for QOS Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 4:39 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware MikroTik has a good one on the wiki somewhere. I think it's pretty current. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 1:17 PM, Scott Carullo wrote: Anyone know of a good source for L7 patterns other than the sourceforge L7 list which seems to be outdated / not maintained? Thanks... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware
There is a script under the mikrotik wiki for L7 that will get alot of them. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Layer 7 patterns for P2P and viruses / malware 2009/10/11 Butch Evans : On Sun, 2009-10-11 at 20:54 -0400, Nick Olsen wrote: In my testing most of those don't work, or there isn't one for what i want to do. Only one I currently use in production is the Skype-to-skype L7 for marking skype voip for QOS The L7 filters at sourceforge (http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/protocols) are accurate and work fine for the most part. I have, yet, to run into one that doesn't. I have to say that my testing has been a little limited, however. I have played with the skype filters and they certainly do work well. To be honest, I've not played with the L7 filters much because it is not often that they are needed. Is there a tool that can import these to a MT box? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40
Fight fire with fire? Find what freq hes using and put to radios on that freq 40mhz turbo and constantly bandwidth test between them? Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 3:02 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Competitor at -40 Nice. Put a better dish, with better side lobe and rear lobe specs to use. I have also shielded a dish from the rear with a ground screen. Stainless mesh hung behind the dish and grounded to the tower/mount. There is probably RF reflecting all over the place with that level of signal. It might not be amped either if it is close. You need more than luck. Best Wishes! At 01:41 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: Gotta love it. Picking up another wisps overamped Omni at -40 with a 16dbi panel, pointed *away* from them. I thought this was supposed to be a fun job? --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T- minus 1 hour
That's about 7 miles north of me :D You should see the bandwidth spike because everyone in the county watching the streams. We also have a customer out at KSC that pushes a stream. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] T- minus 1 hour http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] T- minus 1 hour
Meh, It only happens once every few months or so, And we have the bandwidth so its not really a problem. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] T- minus 1 hour Multicast ? Rubens On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: That's about 7 miles north of me :D You should see the bandwidth spike because everyone in the county watching the streams. We also have a customer out at KSC that pushes a stream. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 1:33 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] T- minus 1 hour http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 802.11n and 40MHz channels in 2.4GHz?
Yeah, I have a new gateway netbook with a atheros N card in it, And it will connect to a Nano station M2 on 40mhz channels. No legacy devices can connect though unless its on 20. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.11n and 40MHz channels in 2.4GHz? Thanks! Yeah, now I googled macbook pro 802.11n 40MHz channels and I'm seeing that. Oh well. I still would rather fight than switch. I love the Mac OS. Here's one thing I found that confirms that: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1561703tstart=0 Greg On May 22, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: I think Apple has a position on 11n on 2.4 GHz that their devices won't do 40 MHz on 2.4 GHz. Rubens On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: The clients are all Macintosh computers, some the newer MacBooks and some are the older MacBooks. They're all Intel based. Greg On May 22, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: N is MIMO with 5, 10, 20, or 40 MHz channels. What type of clients are you using? I'm not even sure why UBNT still makes the Bullets. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 5/22/2010 12:19 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote: I have a BulletM2 (with 5.2 firmware) which I'm using as AP. Clients will only associate with it when it's using 20MHz channels. Isn't the whole idea with wireless N about using 40MHz channels (channel bonding) for higher throughput? So I started googling. I saw one Google return (on the search page) that seemed to indicate using 40MHz was prohibited in 2.4GHz (maybe for clients?) but when I started clicking on links I couldn't find an article that said as much. But I have noticed this, when I set my BulletM2 to 40MHz channels the clients won't associate. Is this just a UBNT issue? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone?
Its all about the IP you give the client. I always handed it a ip of the associated network and it would work. Example. RB750 in our colo. Network is 1.1.1.0/24 This is the configuration of a ppp client that has access to the internal colo servers add caller-id= comment= disabled=no limit-bytes-in=0 limit-bytes-out=0 local-address=\ 1.1.1.50 name=USERNAME password=PASSWORD profile=default-encryption remote-address=\ 1.1.1.51 routes= service=any Profile is this set default-encryption bridge=bridge1 change-tcp-mss=yes comment= name=\ default-encryption only-one=default use-compression=default use-encryption=yes \ use-vj-compression=default Bridge 1 contains single Ethernet interface that plugs into the colo switch. Should work :D but no promises. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik PtPP Sample Script, Anyone? Been trying to setup a PTPP server on a Mikrotik 600A running 5.2 Beta. NO LUCK! I can connect to it just fine but can't see anything on the remote network. Anyone have a sample PTPP script that works? Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem
We figured it out, tftp was on, no firewalls.. etc.. Not our first rodeo :) Was windows 7 64bit. Just so happens that both me and scott run win 7 64 bit so we both had the same problem. Then for fun tried a windows server 2003 box and all was well. This server 2003 box sits in the same network as scotts computer. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:26 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem As Travis said make sure you've issued the tftpd on command, but also make sure your router isn't blocking or firewalling the traffic from reaching the radios. Do your radios have a valid ipconfig with a good gateway? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:04 PM To: sc...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Apex firmware upgrade problem You turned on tftp on the radio first, right? tftpd on Travis Microserv Scott Carullo wrote: Maybe I'm doing (or not doing) something simple, but I am unable to tftp upgrade files to either of the APEX radios on either side of a link. torch shows my computer trying to connect but no data back from either radio and tftp command times out without success. Current version info below. Tried rebooting, using another computer on another subnet, turning opmode off etc - nothing works I cannot get the radio to accept a file via tftp. Any ideas? Current Image Version FPGA version: 00151209 OS version: 2p6r14b3D08200901 FW version: 1p2r2D082009 PIC version:217 Modem version: 38 RFM version:27 Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
If only we were so lucky... Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question I tend to keep the MT boards at whatever the stable version is and then leave them alone once installed unless we have some issue. I have at least 6 433 boards out in the field that I haven't touched the OS or config for 2 years or more. Heck, those are out of sight, out of mind and give me not one bit of trouble. I wish everything else was like that. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 20:04, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: And whether they bother to power them up and test them prior to shipping (which I do..every one) Here's a sorta-related question (which probably should be on the Mikrotik-Users list, but whatevs) - what's the recommendation for versions and upgrades? If you're not doing anything really fancy, is it worth upgrading your radios all the time? Normally, when a radio is about to leave the office and get installed somewhere, I'll put the then-current version of RouterOS on it (right now, that'd be 4.whatever) - then, unless there's a compelling reason to upgrade, the system tends to be left alone. Heck, I've got a few boards with 2.8 on them, and they're chugging along just fine. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
Turn the power down? Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 11:16 AM To: motor...@afmug.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP Hey Gang Do anyone knows a equivalent of max range for a WIFI AP? Would the ACk parameter work? WE have some restaurant chains with a free wifi for patrons, latest trend in our market is some Sat Guys selling a WIFI antenna for connecting Houses to Free WIFI Hotspots.I would like to limi the range on the APs for half a mile or so Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Tape backup
Seriously, its getting to the point where people have the transit to move everything to a server offsite. Or even to another side of your own network. Tapes suck... I think this is a prime time to upgrade. Ebay? Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Tape backup I didn't know they made tape drives in the past 5 years. Pretty much the standard for backup now is just another, remote PC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/13/2010 3:23 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: What are you guys using for Tape backup options? Prefer something SCSI to replace existing tape drive that has failed. I just personally hate tape. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo
Every ubnt ptp backhaul we have is running apWDS/stationWDS and we pass OSPF over them all day, Both ways. What firmware are you using? were running 5.2.1 Beta 2 But we upgrade as soon as they come out, So we should have hit the bug at one point... Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo yep, known bug with UBNT, make sure you have the latest firmware as well, as even if you setup a WDS link, it would not pass OSPF protocol one way. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Mann Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo I will attempt that. It didn't occur to me before; Star backhauls have no WDS configuration as it automatically puts clients in WDS mode if they are compatible, but it's an obvious reason as to why it would happen. Thank you for your assistance. On 07/13/2010 03:14 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: change to ap-wds and sta-wds ;) --- On *Tue, 7/13/10, Justin Mann /justinl...@unwiredwest.com/* wrote: From: Justin Mann justinl...@unwiredwest.com Subject: [WISPA] Problems with UBNT Rocket + Mikrotik combo To: wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 6:08 PM Hello, My name is Justin. I work for Mark Nash, whom I'm sure you have heard from before. I'm his company's engineer. This is my first time writing into or reading the WISPA list; Mark suggested that some people here might be able to help me with a particular issue we have been experiencing. If anyone here has suggestions as to what the issue would be, I would appreciate it. Here is my scenario. We have two sites; we will call them A and B. At site A we have a Mikrotik router, running RouterOS v4.5. At site B we have 3 StarOS access points. Each access point has a /30 on it's ethernet side, shared with the router, and uses RIP. We have a bridged StarOS backhaul between them. It works pleasantly; the router has never failed to pick up the remote networks on the access points before. Recently, we have wanted to replace our StarOS backhauls with UBNT Rocket backhauls. When we attempted to do this, we encountered a very strange bug with no workaround I could find. When we switch to the Rocket backhaul, we can no longer communicate with remote networks. Now, both the APs and the Router are still running RIP - and you can look at the RIP routing information and see that the router has indeed received the downstream routes. However, we can only communicate with the /30s. If we attempted to reach the remote networks, it returns as unreachable - and if we attempt to trace those networks, it seems that the Mikrotik router is attempting to route traffic to an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket backhaul devices. Example. Network 1.0.0.0/24 is on the far side of Access point A. With the StarOS bridged backhauls, the Mikrotik router successfully adds a route to its kernel routing table to route 1.0.0.0/24 through the /30 assigned to the access point. In our failure scenario with the Rockets, the same route is successfully received via RIP, and you can see that 1.0.0.0/24 is still pointing correctly to the /30. However, when the router actually attempts to forward a packet, it forwards the packet to an internal-only address assigned to the Rocket Backhauls, an address that does not appear ANYWHERE in the router's routing table. What makes it more difficult is that even static routes do not work. If RIP is disabled on the respective devices, and a static route is entered, it still fails to work - it even fails to work if you completely remove the internal network from the router, and leave only the /30s on the interface, with a static route. The router still cannot communicate with downstream networks - only the /30 directly connected to it. this only happens with the UBNT rocket AP is in place. Currently, the rockets are configured as bridges, in AP and Station mode, with AirMax enabled. If anyone has any advice I would appreciate it. WISPA Wants You
Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue
I've noticed that the NSM2's do better then the NS2's. We've blown a few NS2's, But never a NSM2, or any other radio in the M series now that I think about it, If I recall correctly. And were in florida :D We had a tower take a hit, blew a power station or two and the tower switch, all ubnt M devices were fine. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jim Patient sa...@jeffcosoho.com Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:59 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue Maybe it's my bad luck or I got a bad batch but I lost 4 last week:-( On 7/14/2010 6:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: --===1574374465== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636163cc9511a71048b6192be --001636163cc9511a71048b6192be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've had two NS2s go bad ever (been 9 months since I started using them). One doesn't turn on at all and the other one is unable to do Ethernet link/activity (powers on, wireless works). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Jim Patientsa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: I have a box full of them that have the same issue. Ben told me to use shielded cable for client installs. Not that I haven't had a MT get hit a time or 2 but it seems every time I see a cloud in the sky I loose an ns2. Hopefully they'll get this fixed but for now I'm sticking with the $130 MT CPE over the ns2. Jim On 7/14/2010 5:04 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I had that a week or two ago. Michael asked me to just go ahead and RMA - I did. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Mark McElvymmce...@accubak.com wrote: Yes powered up and working fine from wireless side, no link on Ethernet Mark McElvy -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue Is the unit still powering up from the POE ?? And you just can't talk to it? From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 5:11 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] NS2 Ethernet issue Curious if other have seen issue with bad Ethernet ports on NS2's. I have a customer with a strange setup and he has blown the Ethernet port on 3 NS2's so far. Setup is a PS2/Client to the Internet on a 50ft mast on a hillside, Ethernet runs 150ft down a hill to power and is plugged into a NS2 in AP mode transmitting down the hill to the house where there is another NS2 as a client to the NS2 on the hill. The issue is with the AP/NS2 up the hill keeps blowing the Ethernet port. It is on a 10ft Ethernet cable and the LAN ports of the two POE's (NS2/AP and PS2/Client to the Internet) are connected together with a crossover. Any thoughts on why just this one radio would blow the ether port? Mark McElvy No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2998 - Release Date: 07/14/10 01:36:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --001636163cc9511a71048b6192be Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I#39;ve had two NS2s go bad ever (been 9 months since I started using them= ).=A0 One doesn#39;t turn on at all and the other one is unable to do Ethe= rnet link/activity (powers on, wireless works).brbr clear=3DallJosh L= uthmanbr Office: 937-552-2340brDirect: 937-552
Re: [WISPA] RocketM5 PPS
I want to say it was 20-30K/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 10:59 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] RocketM5 PPS What is the max packets per second a RocketM5 can handle effectively? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DOS attack
Well, if its not hitting YOU then its not to easy to tell. If its hitting your routers you should see it. But if your upstream is getting attacked that's a whole different story. We share a upstream router with a datacenter a few cities over. They got hit hard from china asia a year or two ago, Like busting to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy packet loss because the upstream router was getting hammered. After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made it stable, But latency was like +140ms going into it. Long story short, If you see latency climbing up, More so then normal for peak time, It could be an attack. Even dropping packets takes CPU time. And if you have that many, It can really slow things down. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:04 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] DOS attack I noticed on Friday that everything I had seemed very slow. I went through checking the usual things and found no problem. After digging into everything I could put my hands on, I resorted to calling my upstream to see if they noticed any problems. They of course said no. At 430 that afternoon I got a call from one of their engineers stating that they had experienced a DOS attack that was affecting certain customers. They made some changes and it actually seemed to work better than before. Even my latency times had dropped. Today the problem seems to be creeping back to the same way it was Friday. My question is, is there a way to determine in the future that this is happening. Is there something specific that would lead me to the conclusion that in fact that is what is going on. -- Jeremie Chism TritonDataLink WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP
I've heard it a bit. Personally, I've never had a problem when my Xbox would list my NAT as strict. But I've heard people scream about it. You can either port forward to them, Or enable UPnP and it will do it for you. If your double NAT-ing then you will need to do it on both routers as UPnP will only cover the one closest to the Xbox. And if they have multiple xbox consoles you can only port forward to one, Or give them multiple statics. Just my experiences with it... Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:11 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] XBOX live, NAT, and UPnP So does anyone here have any customers that use XBOX live and bark to you about you NAT? Apparently the XBOX live service is very picky about being behind any NAT device and its ability to make connections to other servers. From what I gathered is that the LIVE service uses Universal Plug and Play (UPnP) to get around this but the question I have is. If your doing masquerade on a Mikrotik Core Router should you enable UPnP on that device? Or should I just issue public IP's to the customer that games and let them worry about it? And if you have UPnP enabled on the core router and then do a double-NAT through the customers Linksys router with UPnP enable does that not work because of the double-NAT? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DOS attack
Well, I believe in this case it was all Asia IP space, Mostly from the same hand full of subnets. So they dropped the associated /24's Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:56 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] DOS attack to 1.2Gb/s if I recall correctly. At first we were getting crazy packet loss because the upstream router was getting hammered. After that they put in a few rules to drop the traffic and that made it stable, But latency was like +140ms going into it. What rules can really help a DOS attack? I just see it as hard to block since usually its coming from thousands of different IP's. I imagine it could look like TCP, UDP or etc. How can a router tell whats legitimate and not? Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900
Not sure if this link will work, But here is the email I got. https://app.e2ma.net/app/view:CampaignPublic/id:10197.8501156949/rid:bebeccd c782349e37791c1b412a6dd1f Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Please share the release or at least a URL. Mike Ford (UBNT) said the following last Friday regarding the M900 line: Hey Guys, This has been delayed. I am trying to get a definitive date for you. Thanks, Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax 900 Just got the announcement for the release of the UBNT 900 products. Anyone do any pre-release testing with these yet? How is the performance? Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. 740-335-7020 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] RB1100
Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else.. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB1100
Well, We have installed two, On two different towers. First one locked up hard. Its on a huge tower, And power was already in place so that was a trip to the top to unplug it and let it sit for a few. Was on a UPS and everything. Second one somehow got toasted. Clear blue day and all the ports were dead but one. All other gear on the tower was fine. This same tower has had a 493AH on it for about a year prior, And it hasn't missed a beat. Just doesn't seem to be as stable as some of the other RB's we have used. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 1:40 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 OK I have not heard that the 1100 are not stable. I have one that I was planning to put at the headend of a group of towers for QOS and bandwidth management. This tread is making me nervous whats been the issues. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] RB1100 Currently were limited on space and need a ton of ports. But I would have to agree, The RB1100 hasn't been making us happy lately. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:42 AM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] RB1100 Replace it with xomething else.. Product is not stable Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] RB1100 Does anyone have an RB1100 they could part with? Had one on a tower fail and need a replacement. Please reply off list. Thanks Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question
Yeah, its going to have to be advertised, By someone, At some point. Be it you, The upstream, or the upstream's Upstream... Then it needs to be routed to your equipment from where ever it ends up being advertised from. Don't think you need to keep ARIN in the loop on any of it. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Slightly OT - IP addressing question I've got my own ARIN block and right now I'm peered with my upstream running BGP (single-homed). I'm looking at changing providers but the company I'm looking at does not do BGP. I'm a little in the dark on route advertisements, etc, and I don't understand how my block will be accessible if I'm not running BGP with another provider. I have to give ARIN my peers ASNs if I remember right, so what happens if I move to someone that possibly doesn't even have an ASN? Is there some documentation somewhere on this or someone who can help me out a little bit? Just tell your new provider to advertise your IP space. They will likely just need to know what blocks you want advertised and then they will verify you own them. They do not need your ASN, they will likely use there own. You really do not need to tell ARIN anything AFAIK. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth
publicly mirror a few linux distributions? Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] What to do with outbound bandwidth Porn Hosting? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
Using my favorite whois service. One that hits blackloutus's Rwhois servers, the Org name I get back from them is Aloli LTD Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] [rwhois.blacklotus.net] %rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 support.blacklotus.net (Ubersmith RWhois Server V-1.6.5) autharea=208.64.120.0/21 xautharea=208.64.120.0/21 network:Class-Name:network network:Auth-Area:208.64.120.0/21 network:ID:NET-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Network-Name:SSL enabled web sites (Mitigation Critical) network:IP-Network:208.64.123.176/30 network:IP-Network-Block:208.64.123.176 - 208.64.123.179 network:Org-Name:Aloli LTD network:Street-Address:3321 Road Town, Drake Chambers network:City:Tortola network:State:- network:Postal-Code:3321 network:Country-Code: network:Tech-Contact:MAINT-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Created:20100818161918000 network:Updated:20100818161918000 network:Updated-By:supp...@blacklotus.net network:POC-Name:Network Operations Center network:POC-Email:supp...@blacklotus.net network:POC-Phone:(323) 657-5944 network:Tech-Name:Network Operations Center network:Tech-Email:supp...@blacklotus.net network:Tech-Phone:(323) 657-5944 %ok Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection I just sent them an email. Gonna beat on them their upstream. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Apparently that ip is being used to attack quite a few people. Paste your firewall rule here, it may be incorrect. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 7:19 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeing a ton of connections coming from 208.64.123.177 (Blacklotus.net) to an IP address in my range (204.62.63.3) which is not assigned to anything. The strange thing is that when I block it, I lose DNS on my network. My RB-1000's primary DNS is set for public (4.2.2.2) and my upstream's (Time Warner - 76.85.228.101). Any thoughts? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below. Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my personal residence so be gentle. :D //me might move it to the colo here soon though.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says: # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + 208.64.123.177 # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=f alse # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Operations Center OrgAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Operations Center OrgTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgTechEmail: OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgNOCEmail: OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseName: Network Operations Center RAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 RAbuseEmail: RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RTechName: Network Operations Center RTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RTechEmail: RTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RNOCName: Network Operations Center RNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RNOCEmail: RNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Using my favorite whois service. One that hits blackloutus's Rwhois servers, the Org name I get back from them is Aloli LTD Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] [rwhois.blacklotus.net] %rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 support.blacklotus.net (Ubersmith RWhois Server V-1.6.5) autharea=208.64.120.0/21 xautharea=208.64.120.0/21 network:Class-Name:network network:Auth-Area:208.64.120.0/21 network:ID:NET-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Network-Name:SSL enabled web sites (Mitigation Critical) network:IP-Network:208.64.123.176/30 network:IP-Network-Block:208.64.123.176 - 208.64.123.179 network:Org-Name:Aloli LTD network:Street-Address:3321 Road Town, Drake Chambers network:City:Tortola network:State:- network:Postal-Code:3321 network:Country-Code: network:Tech-Contact:MAINT-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Created:20100818161918000 network:Updated:20100818161918000 network:Updated-By:supp...@blacklotus.net network:POC-Name:Network Operations Center network:POC-Email:supp...@blacklotus.net network:POC-Phone:(323) 657-5944 network:Tech-Name:Network Operations Center network:Tech-Email:supp...@blacklotus.net network:Tech-Phone:(323) 657-5944 %ok Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection I just sent them an email. Gonna beat on them their upstream. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:41 PM
Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection
Sure, A friend of mine wrote it, So YMMV. 2 files, Pretty simple. http://whois.141networks.com/scripts.zip Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Ralph ralphli...@bsrg.org Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Works nicely. Care to share the script? Ralph Brightlan.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection Yup, I run mine on a linux box. By default, linux whois hits Arin, Or RIPE..etc. Then if the org has a private whois server it will hit it. Where everything else just hits arin and thats it. Notice how it hits both below. Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] I have a php script that makes this web-accessible. Anyone that wants to use it is free to http://whois.141networks.com. However, That is hosted from my personal residence so be gentle. :D //me might move it to the colo here soon though.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:28 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] strange firewall connection interesting. Your results a bit different. who.is says: # Query terms are ambiguous. The query is assumed to be: # n + 208.64.123.177 # # Use ? to get help. # # # The following results may also be obtained via: # http://whois.arin.net/rest/nets;q=208.64.123.177?showDetails=trueshowARIN=f alse # NetRange: 208.64.120.0 - 208.64.127.255 CIDR: 208.64.120.0/21 OriginAS: AS32421 NetName:NET-208-64-120-0-1 NetHandle: NET-208-64-120-0-1 Parent: NET-208-0-0-0-0 NetType:Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET NameServer: NS2.ENTERPRISE.BLACKLOTUS.NET RegDate:2005-12-22 Updated:2009-11-11 Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-208-64-120-0-1 OrgName:Black Lotus Communications OrgId: BLC-92 Address:3419 Virginia Beach Blvd. #D5 City: Virginia Beach StateProv: VA PostalCode: 23452 Country:US RegDate:2004-04-22 Updated:2009-02-12 Comment:Please route any abuse concerns to Ref:http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/BLC-92 ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321 OrgAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgAbuseName: Network Operations Center OrgAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgAbuseEmail: OrgAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgTechName: Network Operations Center OrgTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgTechEmail: OrgTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN OrgNOCName: Network Operations Center OrgNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 OrgNOCEmail: OrgNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RAbuseName: Network Operations Center RAbusePhone: +1-314-323-3401 RAbuseEmail: RAbuseRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RTechHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RTechName: Network Operations Center RTechPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RTechEmail: RTechRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN RNOCHandle: NOC1554-ARIN RNOCName: Network Operations Center RNOCPhone: +1-314-323-3401 RNOCEmail: RNOCRef:http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/NOC1554-ARIN # # ARIN WHOIS data and services are subject to the Terms of Use # available at: https://www.arin.net/whois_tou.html On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Using my favorite whois service. One that hits blackloutus's Rwhois servers, the Org name I get back from them is Aloli LTD Running 'whois '208.64.123.177''... [Querying whois.arin.net] [Redirected to rwhois.blacklotus.net:4321] [Querying rwhois.blacklotus.net] [rwhois.blacklotus.net] %rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 support.blacklotus.net (Ubersmith RWhois Server V-1.6.5) autharea=208.64.120.0/21 xautharea=208.64.120.0/21 network:Class-Name:network network:Auth-Area:208.64.120.0/21 network:ID:NET-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Network-Name:SSL enabled web sites (Mitigation Critical) network:IP-Network:208.64.123.176/30 network:IP-Network-Block:208.64.123.176 - 208.64.123.179 network:Org-Name:Aloli LTD network:Street-Address:3321 Road Town, Drake Chambers network:City:Tortola network:State:- network:Postal-Code:3321 network:Country-Code: network:Tech-Contact:MAINT-412.208.64.123.176/30 network:Created:20100818161918000 network:Updated:20100818161918000
Re: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live
Do you have a link to the FTP? We have a few apex's that could use some love. I'll wait for the release notes though, before I upgrade. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steven McGehee l...@qx.net Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 4:35 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Trango APEX v1.3.0 live Just wanted to let you guys know, Trango released v1.3.0 today -- I was talking to them on the phone and they mentioned it would go live this week. It's on their FTP now, no release notes unfortunately. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comcast
Thats if you got them to do BGP. The local cable company around here will say Whats BGP? when you start talking anything more then your windows computer and modem. Oh, and a router, Don't you dare use a router with there service.. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 Original Message From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:18 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comcast Exactly my thought. I could have them do bgp (I've read they will) to keep me up in an emergency. Could possibly even use it for a couple low cost customers that I made the mistake of signing when I first started. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2010, at 4:59 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 16:55, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: Comcast has just rolled out their 50/10 and 100/20 service here. At 189.99 for 50/10 I was seriously considering ordering one as a backup connection if my main connection failed. Talked to the sales manager and they had no problem with it and would put it on the contract. Any suggestions or has anyone else had a dealing with this type connection as a backup. Wouldn't you have to get them to run BGP over this connection, so you can keep things online? I suppose this would work if you were really desperate, and willing to basically NAT your whole network, but you wouldn't want to do that for more than a couple hours while the real links are repaired. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level. Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them. To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
No clue, Just going from what I vaguely recall someone saying... Like I said, I think I heard it here, Might have been on NANOG. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:52 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Does that 75 megabits also apply when you are looking to connect via a public peering point? Some CDN type networks waive or minimize those requirements if you connect via a public exchange. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/30/2010 12:34 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: Not sure where I heard it (Here I think..) but the magic number is something like 75Mb/s sustained. So unless you have a few thousand customers, Your most likely quite below that level. Blocking a CDN could be a big problem. You never know how much of the worlds content is CDN based till you do this. Blocking any of the big ones (Akamai, Limelight.. Bitgravity (to a lesser extent)) will break more things then you can even imagine. If someone is abusing your service, I would rate limit them. To put it in perspective. We have two upstreams, One is prepended, making the something like 80% of the internet prefer the un-prepended transit. However, the bandwidth was almost level across the board, This had me stumped. Turns out every CDN I could find liked the prepended transit better. So even though 20% of the internet liked that transit, that 20% happened to include some of the most bandwidth intensive things around Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 1:22 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's AS # is for BGP advertisements. Akamai has a program for ISPs who use a good deal of bandwidth to their network. http://www.akamai.com/html/partners/network_program.html Basically you give them your AS (you have to be multi homed) and they see if you meet the minimum bandwidth to their network. Your upstream(s) might already be accelerated so you should make some inquiries. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog - xISP News http://www.twitter.com/j2sw - Follow me on Twitter Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 13:15:45 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Interesting, whats an AS# ? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Baird Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Just contact Akamai, and give them your AS #, if you are using any amount of bandwidth they will colocate in your facilities (for free), so you can serve much of the Akamai content locally. Regards Michael Baird Whats your thoughts on blocking limelight IP's just for the customers that are abusing the service. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 11:07, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: Whats the IP's to block so my customers can't use Netflix and Hulu. It would be just about impossible to do. Netflix uses Akamai, and Hulu uses a mixture of Akamai and Limelight for content delivery services. These are the same content-delivery services used by just about everyone that has lots of content to distribute to lots of people (I'm pretty sure Microsoft uses Akamai for Windows Update, for instance) - Akamai claims they're responsible for 15 to 20 percent of all Web traffic on any given day, so blocking Akamai wholesale would probably be the worst idea. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Emailed them this morning, I figure we will get a similar response. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Yeah, They got back to me today. Said over the last 30 days we have a 9Mb/s avg. And 75mb/s is required. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Emailed Akamai last night. Got a response back today saying we're pulling an average of 19mbps from them, and do not meet the minimum requirement of 75mbps required to qualify for the Accelerated Network Partner program. -- Blake Covarrubias On Aug 31, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: I really don't know...we haven't tracked it. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: How much are you passing to them? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 8/31/2010 7:18 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: We have asked, and were told that they don't see enough traffic coming from our ASN. Is there someone else we can contact? Regards, Chuck On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Glenn Kelleygl...@hostmedic.com wrote: I have helped a wisp get this with 700 customers and about 30mbps I have helped another get one with about 500 customers and about 50mbps So - just ask Truth is - they want to put these in - they crave new locations like you would not believe. On Aug 30, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: 00+Mbps and we don't have thousands of customers...but we do have 1500+. Regards, Chuck _ Glenn Kelley | Principle | HostMedic |www.HostMedic.com Email: gl...@hostmedic.com Pplease don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do SD quality. This was all on a PC, Which only does SD where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM To: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's
Yeah, Loop fee's are the killer. On-net bandwidth is cheap bandwidth. I've seen cogent come down to $3 per megabit. And I've heard of Hurricane electric going as low as 75 cents per megabit. Just got to build out to them. Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:51 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yup I bet it could. Ive seen 2 of them at the same time max out a 15mbit pipe. That lasted about as long as it took to re-enable the bw queues. Still a dozen or so and the eat the entire pipe and i knock em down a tad more, but under 900kbit and it seams to choke up. After moving to Ubnt M gear, my net feed is my bottleneck for sure these days. Looking at getting fiber points out at the ends of the network but its not easy to get away from that loop fee and that kills it for now. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I think the big thing here is the way they do video. Hulu, has like 3 quality settings. And you set them. Atleast with the desktop app, The flash on the pages will try to autoselect. Netflix is much more in depth. It just picks what works, With the ability to go WAY down on bitrate. When I had a netflix account, It could pull as little as like 200-300 K and the video was about as good as what you got out of the first camera phones. But then I've seen it jump all the way up to like 8Mb/s to do SD quality. This was all on a PC, Which only does SD where the consoles and set top boxes will do HD. Don't want to even imagine what they can pull if its maxed out, And you have the capacity on hand. I'd guess something like 15-20Mb/s Nick Olsen Network Operations (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:29 PM To: j284...@yahoo.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's Yea hulu is hungry. Netflix has a much better codec. I would love it if WISPA could work some kind of deal with netflix so that we could offer netflix for 'free' with a specific package. If they charge 8.99 I can see some kind of package deal along with one of the caching server setups. With the Wii, PS3 and Xbox 360 support most of my users would not even need a pc or other STB device. If my cost was in the 3 to 5$ range I know I would have to beat them off with a stick and would naturally only be packaged with the correct accounts. Add in the correct voip setup (still on the look out for a good rebrandable voip) and it would be a good triple. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 4:49 PM, j284...@yahoo.com wrote: Agreed on hulu,its hungry! Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:22 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] netflix/hulu IP's WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] What is a network Appliance?
Do you have a link to the device in question? Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Ron Wallace rwall...@newgenet.net Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] What is a network Appliance? To All, I found the Network Appliance that Bill Prince referred to, the Lanner Website. Is this Network Appliance like a routerboard, or only more generic. We can load Router OS, or Ubiquiti Router SW, or other Linux based router or switch SW and have a functioning router or managed switch w/ Gb ports. Or is it even more flexible, and really is a small PC motherboard like my ASUS EEEPC. I'm an OS knownothing could someone help me out of my quandry here?? Thanks in advance for the bail-out. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)270-2410 e-mail: rwall...@newgenet.net rwall...@tigernet.bz WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis
Exactly, People confuse the two all the time. But yeah, I'm talking TW Telecom, And yes, Fiber :D Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis Ah, TW Telecom is a completely different company. No more integrated than you and I. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:06 PM, RickG wrote: TW Cable Business Class On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: TW Telecom or TW Cable? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 9:09 PM, RickG wrote: Funny thing happened after I upgraded from TW copper to fiber - I get an engineer when I call support now. On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: Can't speak for Cogent in St. Louis, But we have it here in Florida and it works well. The 2 peer setup is a bit weird at first, but it works. The support is good, You get a engineer on first call. Not like TW Telecom where you call open a ticket and get a call back, The person that answers the phone can make changes and such. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cogent in St. Louis That is certainly always a concern, but their number of peers is increasing tremendously. http://www.fixedorbit.com/stats.htm They're the 9th largest in terms of IP space and 2nd largest in terms of peered networks. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 9/10/2010 10:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote: I can't speak to Cogent in Saint Louis specifically, but be aware that Cogent has a bit of a history with peering disputes, and occasionally cuts off (or is cut off from) largish chunks of the Internet. I don't know if I'd want to single-home to Cogent, but as part of a robust multi-homed solution, sure. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
We tell them its all dependent on the remote side, And its a very bad way to gauge speed. The local florida speedtest.net servers suck... Even from our colo I only get like 40Mb/s down, But like 68Mb/s up, Its stupid. We just host the mini speedtest.net in our colo and tell them to test that, And that the server sits right next to fiber, so if they can get xMb/s to it, That is how fast the internet will go. When they argue that our fiber is overloaded (its not) and we need to buy more because they can only pull 2Mb/s from example.com we disagree with them and tell them we can't do anything once its off our network, But its not a load issue. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:28 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] speed test OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] speed test
Its worse then that here. Were 6ms off the local speedtest server. And it still gives us crap. Nick Olsen Network Operations (877) 804-3001 x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 11:03 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test Ironton! For me Ironton SUCKS! Ping 108ms!!! Why in the hell are they defaulting g you to arm pit Ironton? Been there that place sucks! From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 7:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] speed test My fiver is through TW. They insist I use the Ironton server which, IMO always provides an accurate result. The issue is these people dont believe it and want to see their speed results elsewhere :( On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Speed test mini just after your upstream pipe. On Sep 12, 2010 7:29 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: OK for all your speed hungry customers that want to run speed tests to speedtest.net and dslreports.com - the question is: what do you do? I've never really had good results with off net speed tests even when removing the load and running directly t from my laptop to my fiber connection. But I get these people who think they're not getting what they pay for :( -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
I'd turn it down till you hit about a -60 signal wise or in the 50's somewhere. should give you the best results. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] interesting results
So if I follow, You hooked people to your backhaul radio, And the CPE was a NS5? If I'm not mistaken, The default antenna setting on the NS5's is Adaptive, so it will pick. Let me know if I'm way off on the scenario... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] interesting results I dont know if this is a question as much as a statement of interest. I've had a few customer that wanted faster speeds and couldnt wait until my 5GHz sectors were up. So, I used a NS5 and connected right off my backhaul grids and they worked great. I dont plan to leave them on the backhauls but it works for now. The interesting part is my installer set up a 3rd customer today but he didnt realize my backhauls are H-Pol. He actually got higher signal and faster speed tests then the other two! Now I'm confused! (Backhauls are WRAP/StarOS with 21DB grids.) -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] interesting results
o.0 strange Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:43 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] interesting results You got it except, the installer set it for v-pol because it worked better than h-pol! Go figure? On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com wrote: So if I follow, You hooked people to your backhaul radio, And the CPE was a NS5? If I'm not mistaken, The default antenna setting on the NS5's is Adaptive, so it will pick. Let me know if I'm way off on the scenario... Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] interesting results I dont know if this is a question as much as a statement of interest. I've had a few customer that wanted faster speeds and couldnt wait until my 5GHz sectors were up. So, I used a NS5 and connected right off my backhaul grids and they worked great. I dont plan to leave them on the backhauls but it works for now. The interesting part is my installer set up a 3rd customer today but he didnt realize my backhauls are H-Pol. He actually got higher signal and faster speed tests then the other two! Now I'm confused! (Backhauls are WRAP/StarOS with 21DB grids.) -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] power
Like we said, Drop both sides till the signal gets in the -55 to -65 range. Doesn't matter what the power is, as long as the signal is around there. As its where your going to get your best throughput, Barring any other interference. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] power Ya, thats what I do. I'm just concerned about what the best power level is? I hate to create a monster based on the wrong settings. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I have a few like that. Cheap and quick for low density population. Use a pac grid for the backhaul and a bullet with an omni for the AP. Check your polarity, make sure you're on the right orientation and right radio. My grids are horz. Pol and the omnis, well. Vertical of course! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] power OK, I need a little input. I've got several poor mans repeaters around by using a pair of bullets, one for backhaul and the other for the AP. Today, I installed a Bullet on a new customer that was a stones throw away from the AP. At full power, he got just under 1Mbps. Turning down the power, he got 3Mbps+. Is turning down the power on the CPE side on a test and trial basis or is there some kind of method to it? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
Don't see why not. I've seen them do more then 25mb/s easy. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, motor...@afmug.com motor...@afmug.com Subject: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet
I've got it if you/anyone needs it. you=op Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 12:05 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Temporarily replace Atlas 5010 with Ubiquity Bullet I've got BulletM's doing 30 mb over a 10 mile shot on 20mhz wide channel. Make sure you get the latest super secret firmware (5.1.1) though, to avoid the WDS/Arp issues. Regards Michael Baird Atlas link went down AGAIN! Probably my fault this time but have no spare. I have a pair of the Bullet that I could slap in there to get through the weekend. Think it will work out? The Trangos were passing ~25Mbps of traffic aggregate. [cid:image001.gif@01CAA63F.65692320] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Firefox add-in
Maybe IE Tab will work for you guys. Basically, It uses the IE engine inside of Firefox. Good for going to sites that don't work with Firefox. (like windows update) Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:45 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Firefox add-in Actually what is used is a IE add-in (not and .asp) that allows IE to start an executable. It is used to allow a hyperlink to start Winbox and putty. We have searched for something that will work in FireFox, but I suspect Mozilla is security conscious enough that there is no way to make it happen. So, if someone can point us to a way to get FireFox to launch a .exe, Steve will no longer be tied to IE. Steve Barnes wrote: The company that supports us has a in-house Admin system that works really well. It is a home-grown admin system that gives us customer tracking and all. There are links on the customer record to ping the customer radio, a hyperlink to the radio IP so that it opens a new tab in windows and allows us to login to a Tranzeo or a UBNT radio. There is also a link to allow us to winbox or putty into that customers AP. This all works great, in Microsoft Internet Explorer. It takes a .asp IE add-in to allow all the links to work. We have not been able to find such a add-in for Firefox. I am sorry I cannot give any more info than that as I am not a programmer and don't know how that all works. Any suggestions? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch
Define arm and a leg. If I understand correctly, The HP Procurve 1810G-24 and the 1810G-8 (24 and 8 port respectively) Can be powered by POE, If that is a option for you. I think its around $400. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Roger Howard g5inter...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 1:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] -48vdc Gigabit switch Anyone heard of a gigabit switch that runs on -48vdc that doesn't cost an arm and a leg? Only need a few ports, 8-16 would do. preferably rackmountable. I can find plenty of inexpensive gigabit switches, but they normally don't list their power supply voltage, or they list 110v Another option is maybe a 12 or 24v and I can get a DC-DC converter. Thanks, Roger WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions
Well, This would be a little more time consuming. And would need a hell of a cacti box. But you could SNMP hit each customers CPE device if it supports it. That would be quite the load for the cacti box though. I second cacti easy though. We have a box running CactiEZ with 68 sensors on it, and it sits around all day doing nothing in terms of hardware usage. Every time I've tried it in a VM its had bad performance issues around 20 sensors. Nick Olsen Network Engineer / Customer Support (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Steven McGehee stev...@qx.net Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 4:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions We're also big fans and long time users of Cacti, so I'd happily recommend it as well. On 3/30/2010 16:46, Justin Wilson wrote: Cacti would be what I would start with. I have set it up where business customers have their own individual logins and can see just the graphs you want them to. It has built in graphs for 95th percentile. There is a plugin called nectar which allows you to have graphs e-mailed. You can also install the flowview plugin. Not sure how to get it talking to freeside though. -- Justin Wilsonj...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Matt Larsen - Listsli...@manageisp.com Reply-To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:24:20 -0600 To: Mikrotik discussionsmikro...@mail.butchevans.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Bandwidth Tracking Solutions Hello list, I am looking for a solution that will keep track of the monthly bandwidth consumption for all of my broadband customers and am having a hard time coming up with a good solution. Our goal is to collect the traffic flows every 15 minutes and generate three things: 1) Internal reports showing bandwidth consumption by customers and that is in a database form that we can perform queries on 2) Data that can be exported to our customer portal page that will show customers how much bandwidth they have consumed since the first of each month 3) A batch file showing customers over their thresholds that we can import into our billing system (Freeside) at the end of the month so we can bill overages Our system is setup as follows: 1) StarOS access points 2) OSPF backbone back to two separate 50 meg Internet backbone links 3) Mikrotik core routers at each backbone location 4) StarOS routers performing NAT at each backbone location 5) Mikrotik edge routers connected to the Internet backbone Radius accounting is not an option, due to inaccurate IP accounting information returned by the StarOS APs. PPPoE is also not an option as we have 2000+ customers in place and not all of the hardware would easily convert to PPPoE. Ideally, the data should be collectable at the Mikrotik core routers, as that is the place where all of the private IP traffic is still in its pre-NAT status. We have been trying to keep track of it with Netflow data from our Mikrotik core routers, but it does not seem to be accurate and there are documented problems with the Mikrotik Netflow exports. We have confirmed that the data we have been collecting is not accurate, and I have no intention on billing a customer based on inaccurate data. We have a couple of reporting engines that we have tried, with mixed levels of success. I did contact Brandon Checketts about his program, which was close to what we wanted, but it is out of date and he was not responsive so our efforts are focused on either using something open source that we can modify or just buying an appliance that will do what we need. My preference is to go open source because we have multiple backbone connections and also because I have several consulting customers who want to have similar setups put in place on their networks. Also, I want to make sure that this is revenue neutral and can pay for for itself in the overage billing after it is installed. We can install either a switch or a transparent bandwidth monitoring server of some kind between the core and NAT servers to collect the data flows.My lead tech and I are both Linux savvy, and would prefer something that runs on Linux. I recall that Travis Johnson posted a description of an open source, linux-based system that he uses to track bandwidth, but I cannot find the email where he lays all of the elements out. Does anyone have any recommendations for this situation? Thanks! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
