RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions
OminPage is an OCR program. Haven't used it yet, but supposed to convert PDFs to any document type - word, excel, htm, etc, and retain formatting. pretty cheap too, under 1K Lilania Kershaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Bentley Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions Does anyone have ideas about the tools in market to convert PDF into HTML http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdftohtml/ cheers, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 6 Hover Bug?
Daniel Bowling wrote: I am very confused about a rendering issue in IE 6.02 for an unreleased beta of my site. http://beta.danbowling.com/IFRindex.php For some reason when I mouse over several of my links on the left sidebar other divs reposition themselves. For example, hovering over the more link in About the Author moves the archives down, but they reposition themselves if I mouse over any of them. Can anyone see what is causing this? Daniel, IE is known to have many float bugs, and one variety is characterized by a vertical margin or padding being duplicated further down the page. This type of dupe bug is always togglable by hovering of links located in certain elements, but only when a background or certain other properties are changed on hover. You happen to have such a bug, and the BG change on your lower hovered links causes the top margin on div#archives (apparently being duped onto the top of the cleared br) to vanish from the br. Then, hovering of the links above the br restores the phantom margin to the br. You can fix this several ways, by removing that top margin, by removing that cleared br (which seems not to be needed anyway), or by changing the hover effect. The best is to lose the top margin on div#archives and substituting a margin or padding on some other element. HTH Big John = -- Perennial student + Impractical joker + CSS junkie = Big John http://www.positioniseverything.net ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fluid Horizontal Lists
If that's what you want then can't you just move the padding to the a rather
than the li, it won't actiually make the nav bar go all the way across (you can
make it look like it does though), but it will make it get change width when the
windows does.
Jake
Quoting Todd Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Interesting approach...
I was trying to use padding/margins as I wanted to ensure that XXX
menu itme wasnt as wide as XX if ya know what I mean.
Your solution does work but ive lost the variable widths. Ill have a
play with it.
Yeah the IE min-width thing is a b***ch. Im using the Project 7 script
solution at the moment... Seems to work ok.
Thanks Hugh
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 15:06:59 +1000, Hugh Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Todd,
If you turn the 'a's into block elements and float them left, adding no
padding or border, you can give them widths of 20% and have them span
the page.
#nav ul li a
{
padding: .2em 0;
display: block;
float: left;
width: 20%;
}
Of course, this means you lose your dividers. If you add them, you will
have to reduce your width amount to something less than 20%. And,
because min-width doesn't work in IE, your navigation bar will wrap
when window size is reduced too far.
-Hugh Todd
Ive gotta find some solution or ill have to revert back to table cells
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Re: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
It's tabular data, so you should use a table. It displays reliably, it's semantically correct and if implemented correctly it's usable for screen readers. It's best to use all of the semantic table elements (th, tbody, thead, summary, caption) if you can. Jake Quoting Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, Is there a best-practice way to build an item display with multiple columns, but without using tables? What I want to do is build something like this: Name Price Quantity EditDelete Apple $5.0025 [edit] [delete] Pear $4.00 3 [edit] [delete] Banana $12.00 5 [edit] [delete] But without cluttering the HTML with table layout data... Or is this a case where its better to bite the bullet and just do it in a table...? I'm new here to please be gentle if this is a dumb question :) thanks, bye! --- Ryan Sabir Newgency Pty Ltd 2a Broughton St Paddington 2021 Sydney, Australia Ph (02) 9331 2133 Fax (02) 9331 5199 Mobile: 0411 512 454 http://www.newgency.com/index.cfm?referer=rysig ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
Ryan, this is tabular data, just what tables are built for. Go for it! Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ryan Sabir Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 4:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts Hi all, Is there a best-practice way to build an item display with multiple columns, but without using tables? What I want to do is build something like this: Name Price Quantity EditDelete Apple $5.0025 [edit] [delete] Pear $4.00 3 [edit] [delete] Banana $12.00 5 [edit] [delete] But without cluttering the HTML with table layout data... Or is this a case where its better to bite the bullet and just do it in a table...? I'm new here to please be gentle if this is a dumb question :) thanks, bye! --- Ryan Sabir Newgency Pty Ltd 2a Broughton St Paddington 2021 Sydney, Australia Ph (02) 9331 2133 Fax (02) 9331 5199 Mobile: 0411 512 454 http://www.newgency.com/index.cfm?referer=rysig ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
On 10/4/04 11:22 PM Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Name Price Quantity EditDelete Apple $5.0025 [edit] [delete] Pear $4.00 3 [edit] [delete] Banana $12.00 5 [edit] [delete] But without cluttering the HTML with table layout data... Or is this a case where its better to bite the bullet and just do it in a table...? I vote for it's tabular data - use a table. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
Is there a best-practice way to build an item display with multiple columns, but without using tables? Name Price Quantity Edit Delete Apple $5.00 25 [edit] [delete] Pear $4.00 3 [edit] [delete] Banana $12.00 5 [edit] [delete]1 vote for "thats table data - use a table"and your bananas are very expensive.:) pete
[WSG] XHTML external links
Hi guys - having a little problem with the whole external links in XHTML
strict.
Code's below - doesn't seem to be working - can you help out?
a href=http://www.google.com.au/; rel=externalnew window/a
script
function externalLinks()
if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return;
var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName(a);
for (var i=0; ianchors.length; i++)
var anchor = anchors[i];
if (anchor.getAttribute(href) anchor.getAttribute(rel) ==
external) { anchor.target = _blank; }
}
}
window.onload = externalLinks;
/script
Cheers :o)
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Re: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
At 07:48 on Tuesday, 05 Oct 2004, Peter Ottery wrote: Is there a best-practice way to build an item display with multiple columns, but without using tables? Name Price Quantity EditDelete Apple $5.0025 [edit] [delete] Pear $4.00 3 [edit] [delete] Banana $12.00 5 [edit] [delete] 1 vote for thats table data - use a table /lurk A small concern here... The subject line and the presence of edit and delete columns suggest that this is in fact an interactive form, not a display of tabular data. shouldn't we be pointing to all the good stuff on form styling and layout? (eg http://www.aplus.co.yu/dots/109/) or are we saying that forms with tabular data (and edit/delete buttons) can be in tables? ;o) lurk -- listening to: background noise http://wiki.workalone.co.uk http://www.xebit.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
RF I vote for it's tabular data - use a table. Cool, thought so... I was thinking that because it was more a navigation device to edit items, rather than a display of tabular information, it would be better implemented a different way. at the end of the day its just a table I guess. thanks! You'll be hearing from me again... --- Ryan Sabir Newgency Pty Ltd 2a Broughton St Paddington 2021 Sydney, Australia Ph (02) 9331 2133 Fax (02) 9331 5199 Mobile: 0411 512 454 http://www.newgency.com/index.cfm?referer=rysig ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Left and right: inline content...
Thanks Hugh, Joseph.
I'd tried wrapping the ABN in a span, but that wasn't working too well
-- putting it in a paragraph worked miracles, though. I managed to get
away without assigning widths to either the p or the ul elements, so
that was good. Yet to throw it at Internet Explorer, but we'll see...
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On Tue, 2004-10-05 at 12:27, Joseph Lindsay wrote:
Hi Joshua,
try wrapping the abn in p.
#footer {clear: both;}
#footer p {float:left;}
#footer ul {float: right;}
#footer li {display:inline;}
Joe
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:49:01 +1000, Joshua Street
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all. I'm trying to do something which I know is easy with tables, but of
course, that's not my first preference. Basically, it's a footer line with an ABN
number (for non-Australians, a business registration number) on the left, and an
unordered list on the right with validation links, an accessibility policy link,
etc.
I want it to look like this:
_
|ABN 72797798055 |XHTML|CSS|Accessibility|Top|
|_|
Markup currently goes:
div id=footerABN 72797798055
ul id=standardsline
lia href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/li
lia href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;CSS/a/li
lia href=/accessibility/Accessibility/a/li
lia href=#body title=Back to topTop/a/li
/ul
/div
And the CSS:
#footer {clear:both;text-align:left;}
#standardsline {float:right;display:inline;}
#standardsline li {display:inline;list-style-type:none;}
I've stripped irrelevant (presentation aside from layout) CSS from that, and the
display:inline in #standards line is probably unnecessary -- That's just me trying
to get it to work.
Currently, it's displaying like this:
_
|ABN 72797798055 |
|_|XHTML|CSS|Accessibility|Top|
which sucks. Well, not completely, but it's not how I want it to look.
Any suggestions?
Joshua Street
base10solutions
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Re: [WSG] XHTML external links
untested...but it should work.
function externalLinks()
if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return;
var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName(a);
for (var i=0; ianchors.length; i++)
if (anchor[i].getAttribute(rel) ==
external) { anchor[i].target = _blank; }
}
}
window.onload = externalLinks;
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Hi guys - having a little problem with the whole external links in XHTML
strict.
Code's below - doesn't seem to be working - can you help out?
a href=http://www.google.com.au/; rel=externalnew window/a
script
function externalLinks()
if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return;
var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName(a);
for (var i=0; ianchors.length; i++)
var anchor = anchors[i];
if (anchor.getAttribute(href) anchor.getAttribute(rel) ==
external) { anchor.target = _blank; }
}
}
window.onload = externalLinks;
/script
Cheers :o)
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Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
On 10/5/04 12:05 AM Ryan Sabir [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: RF I vote for it's tabular data - use a table. Cool, thought so... I was thinking that because it was more a navigation device to edit items, rather than a display of tabular information, it would be better implemented a different way. You do have a point though that the buttons are kind of the main act. But if those data are coming from a database and are being output via a script language for example, I think a table is the most convenient way to present the data and the buttons. It boggles my small intellect to think about outputting CSS positioning and stuff from PHP or whatever, although somebody's working on that I'm sure! :-) Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantics vs Light Code
I think that like anything to do with building for the web, it all has to do with what is most appropriate for the project and the audience. If it's for a web site, I's take the path that renders most reliably across browsers/platforms, but if it's for an intranet (or other closed environment when you know the exact makeup of the audience and their equipment), I'd go for the most semantically correct method. In practice, I haven't come across too many examples where you can't strike a (more or less) happy medium. Cam Herrod, Lisa wrote: ... between each link. Just make sure it's with css and not a pipe :) -Original Message- From: Luke Moulton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Semantics vs Light Code Recent discussions about building a footer with numerous linked items styled as an unordered list has got me thinking about correct semantics verses light code/css. In using strictly correct semantics to mark-up content I think sometimes we run the risk of developing over complicated and bloated code. Building an inline, styled un-ordered list with appropriate css can add a bit of bulk to your css. So on one hand there's smaller file sizes, uncomplicated CSS (with fewer hacks) but imperfect semantics, and on the other there's perfect semantics bloated CSS with a few hacks thrown in for good measure. Where does one draw the line? Luke Moulton Go4 Multimedia Web Design Graphic Design www.go4.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantics vs Light Code
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:50:49 +1000, Luke Moulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recent discussions about building a footer with numerous linked items styled as an unordered list has got me thinking about correct semantics verses light code/css. So far lightest code I've seen is achieved using semantic coding and CSS. In using strictly correct semantics to mark-up content I think sometimes we run the risk of developing over complicated and bloated code. Building an inline, styled un-ordered list with appropriate css can add a bit of bulk to your css. So on one hand there's smaller file sizes, uncomplicated CSS (with fewer hacks) but imperfect semantics, and on the other there's perfect semantics bloated CSS with a few hacks thrown in for good measure. Where does one draw the line? What are the alternatives? The only 'lighter' version I can think of is unstyled footer with links thrown in. Chances are big that you will want to style those links, so you will have some CSS. As for bloated CSS - I don't think it is appropriate word in this case. And don't forget - CSS is cached. In most cases n*9+9 eight extra bytes for unordered list are not critical, and usually there is a lot of code in other places to strip them off. I every byte counts and there are no more options left - why not to go with 'bare links' version. Regards, Rimantas ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] RE: [WSG] OL or UL? It´s rigth?
Title: RE: [WSG] OL or UL? It´s rigth? I would discourage anyone from keeping with old mark-up habits where tags are left open. It is a legacy from browsers that ignored such semantics. Don't count on a browsers 'interpretation' of the DOM to get it right, feed the browser good code and it will reward you in the long run. It's lazy, it's 1994, don't do it! Peter Goddard Web Developer/IT PSI Global Ltd -Original Message- From: Parker Torrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 05 October 2004 01:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] OL or UL? It´s rigth? Yes you can http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/lists.html section 10.2 see DEPRECATED EXAMPLE: ~parker On Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:46:20 +1000, Andrew Sione Taumoefolau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marky, My friend is asking me if i can use tags ul ol/ol /ul No, you can't. Unordered lists can only have list items as child elements. Cheers, Andrew Taumoefolau ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
At 12:26 AM 10/5/2004, Rick Faaberg wrote: But if those data are coming from a database and are being output via a script language for example, I think a table is the most convenient way to present the data and the buttons. It boggles my small intellect to think about outputting CSS positioning and stuff from PHP or whatever, although somebody's working on that I'm sure! Of course, the beauty of separated CSS HTML files is that the PHP or ASP server-side script can pump out pure HTML without any regard for how it's supposed to look. The content can be dynamic while the stylesheets remain static. Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] XHTML external links
Richard Czeiger wrote:
Hi guys - having a little problem with the whole external links in
XHTML strict.
Code's below - doesn't seem to be working - can you help out?
You were missing a couple of opening brackets, script below now works
ok.
Regards
Jason
script type=text/javascript
function externalLinks(){
if (!document.getElementsByTagName) return;
var anchors = document.getElementsByTagName(a);
for (var i=0; ianchors.length; i++){
var anchor = anchors[i];
if (anchor.getAttribute(href) anchor.getAttribute(rel)
==external) {
anchor.target = _blank;
}
}
}
window.onload = externalLinks;
/script
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Re: [WSG] Semantics vs Light Code
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 14:50 Australia/Sydney, Luke Moulton wrote: So on one hand there's smaller file sizes, uncomplicated CSS (with fewer hacks) but imperfect semantics, and on the other there's perfect semantics bloated CSS with a few hacks thrown in for good measure. Where does one draw the line? opinion I think it's interesting to see the attention being paid to lean code as part of the embracing of the Standards ethic, and the discussions on same, here and elsewhere. If you code to the best practices that Standards espouses, your bloat will be vastly reduced - if not eliminated - as a matter of course. I started building sites using HTML (...2? 3?) way back when, learning as I went from JZ's Ask Doctor Web series. In those days, even the great man himself was advocating tables, spacer gifs, frames et al. No-one ever paid attention to the amount of code bloat they were generating - apart from trying to keep a total page size under 100KB (!). No-one knew any better. Now we do. The resources available, both in print and online, for start-up developers are amazing. The support of groups like this is amazing. What I can do with CSS these days is - amazing. But I think we should all keep one very clear objective in mind. The aim of the game is not to see how little code, how few bytes, we can use to build our sites. The aim is to communicate a message to an audience. Most of my clients neither know nor care how the code works. They are concerned, however, that their message reaches their target audience, and that hopefully that audience responds to the message in some way. So the line should be drawn at the point where a site's content is accessible by everyone for whom it's supposed to be accessible. The accessibilty gurus on this list is to define that as anyone who can access the medium - with whatever technology they use. And that makes sense (and is, let's face it, just courteous); if you're going to publish to a global audience, why wouldn't you use whatever means you have at your disposal to reach them all? A practical approach is to code for an intended audience. It's up to you to define that audience - whether the entire population of the planet, or a subset thereof that you choose - and code accordingly. If you have to 'bloat' your code - either with additional markup in the name of semantics (totally wrong use of the word, btw, but that's another story...) or with additional CSS to take care of buggy browser support - then do it, if it means your message reaches the audience. If you want to keep it bare bones, then do that. Your shout just won't be quite so loud. /opinion Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
Title: RE: Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
Just because the table contains links to an edit page doesn't need for it to be defined in a form. Surely the solution is to present the information in a table and then style the 'edit' links with css, taking advantage of the querystring.
Eg:tda href="" title=Edit this itemEdit/a/td
where 'xxx' is the server side file extension and 'nn' is the identifier for the item to be edited.
Then css can be applied by assigning an 'id' to the table itself.
A Contextual selector in action.
CSS:
Table#edit_table a
{
display: block;
border: 2px outset #064;
background-color: #042;
font-weight: bold;
color: #ddd;
text-decoration: none;
/* Optional width attribute */
width: 60px;
}
/* Now Pseudo classes can be used to define the Links behaviour if required... */
table#edit_table a:hover
{
background-color: #546;
color: #fff;
}
If styled this way, any table with the id of edit_table in the site will have links styled as buttons with rollover effects.
As you can see, the edit buttons don't need to be in an HTML form.
Styling forms is a whole other issue... the thread on that will be very interesting ... anyone care to kick things off
How about a little ...style a login form 'competition'
Two fields and a button. It will be fun to see how everyone approaches it.
Eg...
form method=post
Name:input type=text name=username /
Password:input type=password name=pwd
input type=submit value=Login
/form
Peter Goddard
Web Developer/IT
PSI Global Ltd
-Original Message-
From: Ryan Sabir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2004 08:05
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
RF I vote for it's tabular data - use a table.
Cool, thought so...
I was thinking that because it was more a navigation device to edit
items, rather than a display of tabular information, it would be
better implemented a different way.
at the end of the day its just a table I guess.
thanks! You'll be hearing from me again...
---
Ryan Sabir
Newgency Pty Ltd
2a Broughton St
Paddington 2021
Sydney, Australia
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Re: [WSG] OL or UL? It´s rigth?
Nick Gleitzman wrote: Close, but no cigar. Make that ul liI love nested lists! ol liBut close that li tag!/li /ol /li /ul N ;-) Oops, the dangerous life of the fast-typer :D -- Manuel trabaja para Simplelógica: apariencia, experiencia y comunicación en la web. http://simplelogica.net # (+34) 985 22 12 65 escribe en Logicola http://simplelogica.net/logicola/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Table-style admin layouts
At 09:47 on Tuesday, 05 Oct 2004, Peter Goddard wrote: Just because the table contains links to an edit page doesn't need for it to be defined in a form. Surely the solution is to present the information in a table and then style the 'edit' links with css, taking advantage of the querystring. Sure, that makes sense. so we're saying it's okay to have a table with buttons in it, but we shouldn't have a form laid out as a table semantically speaking. I'm not trolling, just looking for best practice guidance. A list of items with edit delete buttons is okay as a table, but the edit page should be a form laid out without tables? ;o) -- listening to: R. Carlos Nakai - Shaman's Call [stopped] http://wiki.workalone.co.uk http://www.xebit.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site review plz.
Dear all, I would like to have your comments, as regards to improvements for: http://www.freelancecontractors.com If you encounter any errors/problems please give a short description of the error, the OS and browser details. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 2004/10/01 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] proper header backgrounds
I'm trying to make my header image
be completely controlled by css, so if I was to have a style switcher,
it would be easily changed. I know this is really easy, but I'm having
trouble finding any information from google.
Right now, I've got this.
div id="header"
h1JezzJournal/h1
/div
CSS
#header {
background: url(../images/header.jpg);
width: widthofjpg;
height: widthofjpg;
}
doesn't seem to be working, but I'm sure I'm doing it wrong. Thanks for
all your help! 8-)
--
Jeremy S.
Author of JezzJournal
Co-Founder of Effuse
inline: getfirefox.gif
Re: [WSG] be-nice-to-IE/MAC @media rule
that's correct, it works by closing off the @media rule before my
original post also had a typo, it should have read:
@media all
{
/*\{*//*}**/
/* rules */
}
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
On Oct 5, 2004, at 13:03, Natalie Buxton wrote:
This does indeed look like it could be useful, could you show an
example in context? Eg with rules above and below for people like me
who need it a little clearer?
http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/hiding/#atmedia
It should be noted that this technique doesn't really enables @media for
IE Mac; the rules will apply to all media if used.
Philippe
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RE: [WSG] proper header backgrounds
You have to change it to
background-image: url(../images/header.jpg);
and potentially add background-position (if required)
Cheers,
Andreas.
Andreas Boehmer
User Experience Designer - Development
Phone: (03) 9417 0468
Mobile: (0411) 097 038
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Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 7:46 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WSG] proper header backgrounds
I'm trying to make my header image be completely controlled by css, so if I
was to have a style switcher, it would be easily changed. I know this is
really easy, but I'm having trouble finding any information from google.
Right now, I've got this.
div id=header
h1JezzJournal/h1
/div
CSS
#header {
background: url(../images/header.jpg);
width: widthofjpg;
height: widthofjpg;
}
doesn't seem to be working, but I'm sure I'm doing it wrong. Thanks for all
your help! 8-)
--
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Author of JezzJournal
Co-Founder of Effuse
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[WSG] LI VS Tables - A Tabular data fight
I Would like to know about your oppinion for using tabular data with DIV LI or to use table to show them. I´ve been researching on the web about this discussion but i didn´t found an answer really straight. I am rebuilding a website using XHTML, that will work with many tabular data and i have some doubts about to use div/lists easily and semanticly correct. I would like to know, if some developed a website that uses tabular data without tables and what was the experience using them. Soon as possible i will publish my work using li/li to show how i did that. Hugs, Genau Lopes JúniorWebDesigner¬¬¬http://www.meucarronovo.com.br (new site under construction)
RE: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
From: i] On Behalf Of Richard Czeiger Subject: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links Hi guys, I'm putting together a semantically correct UL of links for my footer. I'd like to have them separated by 'pipes' as this is a common and easily recognised technique. But the pipes themselves are irrelevant (semantically). So here's what I've come up with... Why not save yourself all the trouble and just use the ascii vertical bar "#124;" for the pipe? drew
Re: [WSG] LI VS Tables - A Tabular data fight
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:31:49 -0300, Genau Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I Would like to know about your oppinion for using tabular data with DIV LI or to use table to show them. I´ve been researching on the web about this discussion but i didn´t found an answer really straight. I am rebuilding a website using XHTML, that will work with many tabular data and i have some doubts about to use div/lists easily and semanticly correct. ... Semanticly correct technique for tabular data is table and related tags. Period (unless someone wants to dive into discussion what is tabular data. I don't). Regards, Rimantas ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] LI VS Tables - A Tabular data fight
Tables are for tabular data, use tables. There's no need to get over excited and stop using tables for everything! Marking up tabluar data with divs and lists will not only be difficult to style but also semantically incorrect. Quoting Genau Junior [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I Would like to know about your oppinion for using tabular data with DIV LI or to use table to show them. I´ve been researching on the web about this discussion but i didn´t found an answer really straight. I am rebuilding a website using XHTML, that will work with many tabular data and i have some doubts about to use div/lists easily and semanticly correct. I would like to know, if some developed a website that uses tabular data without tables and what was the experience using them. Soon as possible i will publish my work using li/li to show how i did that. Hugs, Genau Lopes Júnior WebDesigner ¬¬¬ http://www.meucarronovo.com.br (new site under construction) -- Dan Webb Web Developer and Internet Consultant www.danwebb.net 07957 234544 39 Roseberry Gardens, London, N8 8SH ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions
Maybe this isn't exactly what your question is, but if you convert a document from something like Word to .pdf using Acrobat Standard or Professional, andthen you can add accessibility tags which is located under the Tools in the menu. JAWS reads this just fine. That is if the user has Acrobat Reader 5 or 6. I tested it at a friend ofmine's home who is blind. Weare so understaffed that we have to depend on .pdf files whether I like it or not. I also encourage any userwho cannot read the .pdf to email useand we will email them the .doc version. If all your documents were originally scanned in as jpegs, then they can never be made accessible. For those documents, I do try to let the user know. Nancy JohnsonAmit Karmakar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bhuvnesh,Try this also,http://www.d.umn.edu/itss/support/Training/Online/webdesign/accessibility.html#pluginsOn Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:38:44 +1000, Andrew Ivin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi Bhuvnesh, I don't know if this may suit your needs, but google's search results for PDF's also provides a html version of the PDF. On Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:37:15 +1000, CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi, The WE04 was great but unfortunately none of the speakers discussed the issue of making PDF files accessible. I am currently facing this problem. Does anyone have ideas about the tools in market to convert PDF into HTML or any other ways to make the PDF files accessible. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks Bhuvnesh Chaudhry * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Regards,Amit Karmakarhttp://karmakars.com**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!
RE: [WSG] Left and right: inline content...
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Behalf Of Joshua Street
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 3:06 AM
To: Web Standards Group mailing list
Subject: Re: [WSG] Left and right: inline content...
Thanks Hugh, Joseph.
I'd tried wrapping the ABN in a span, but that wasn't working too well
-- putting it in a paragraph worked miracles, though. I managed to get
away without assigning widths to either the p or the ul elements, so
that was good. Yet to throw it at Internet Explorer, but we'll see...
Joshua Street
base10solutions
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If it floats, it has to have a width. What you need is a double float left
with the rightmost float text aligned right. Try this (using your code):
#footer {clear:both;text-align:left;}
#standardsline {float:left;display:inline; text-align:right; width:70%;}
#standardsline li
{display:inline;list-style-type:none;}
p{float:left; width:25%}
div id=footer
pABN 72797798055/p
ul id=standardsline
lia href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/li
lia
href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;CSS/a/li
lia href=/accessibility/Accessibility/a/li
lia href=#body title=Back to topTop/a/li
/ul
/div
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Re: [WSG] LI VS Tables - A Tabular data fight
On Tuesday, Oct 5, 2004, at 22:31 Australia/Sydney, Genau Junior wrote: I Would like to know about your oppinion for using tabular data with DIV> LI> or to use table> to show them. I´ve been researching on the web about this discussion but i didn´t found an answer really straight. I am rebuilding a website using XHTML, that will work with many tabular data and i have some doubts about to use div/lists easily and semanticly correct. I would like to know, if some developed a website that uses tabular data without tables and what was the experience using them. Soon as possible i will publish my work using li>/li> to show how i did that. Hugs, Genau Lopes Júnior WebDesigner ¬¬¬ http://www.meucarronovo.com.br (new site under construction) See the thread 'Table-style admin layouts' that's been running for the past 24 hours... N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/
[WSG] Melbourne meet-up tonight
I'd like to say thankyou to everyone who turned up to the Melbourne WSG drinks tonight at 3 Degrees. We had our biggest turn out yet of around 30 or so people (maybe more), which was great to see. The Melbourne group gained quite a few new members tonight, and things are starting to take shape for us, which is quite exciting. An especially huge thanks also goes to Doug Bowman and Dave Shea for taking time out of their work/holiday to attend the meetup. Having these two guys there tonight was fantastic, and was a great opportunity for those who missed out on Web Essentials in Sydney to meet and chat with them. Big thankyou to Peter Firminger as well, for helping tonight come together. The next Melbourne WSG meeting will be a presentation - details and venue to be disclosed in the next few weeks. Regards, David McDonald Web Designer http://www.davidmcdonald.org ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] RE: Left and right: inline content...
Try putting them in a dl
This isn't semantic, but could work.
dtABN 72797798055 /dt
dda href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/dd
dda href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/dd
dda href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/dd
dda href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/dd-Original
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From: Joshua Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Joshua Street
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Left and right: inline content...
Hi all. I'm trying to do something which I know is easy with tables, but of course,
that's not my first preference. Basically, it's a footer line with an ABN number (for
non-Australians, a business registration number) on the left, and an unordered list on
the right with validation links, an accessibility policy link, etc.
I want it to look like this:
_
|ABN 72797798055 |XHTML|CSS|Accessibility|Top|
|_|
Markup currently goes:
div id=footerABN 72797798055
ul id=standardsline
lia href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/li
lia href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;CSS/a/li
lia href=/accessibility/Accessibility/a/li
lia href=#body title=Back to topTop/a/li
/ul
/div
And the CSS:
#footer {clear:both;text-align:left;}
#standardsline {float:right;display:inline;}
#standardsline li {display:inline;list-style-type:none;}
I've stripped irrelevant (presentation aside from layout) CSS from that, and the
display:inline in #standards line is probably unnecessary -- That's just me trying to
get it to work.
Currently, it's displaying like this:
_
|ABN 72797798055 |
|_|XHTML|CSS|Accessibility|Top|
which sucks. Well, not completely, but it's not how I want it to look.
Any suggestions?
Joshua Street
base10solutions
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[WSG] RE: Left and right: inline content...
Try using a dl. It wouldn't be semantic, the objects are not that related, but it
would offer you the style flexibility
dl
dtABN 72797798055/dt
dda href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;CSS/a/dd
dda href=/accessibility/Accessibility/a/dd
/dl
dl {width:100%;}
dt {display:inline; float:right;}
dd {display:inline; float:left;}
This is very rough, with some fine tuning I would expect the dt to hit the right side
and the dd's to float to the right. This is a guess, I haven't tried it.
Ted
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From: Joshua Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
Joshua Street
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 6:49 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Left and right: inline content...
Hi all. I'm trying to do something which I know is easy with tables, but of course,
that's not my first preference. Basically, it's a footer line with an ABN number (for
non-Australians, a business registration number) on the left, and an unordered list on
the right with validation links, an accessibility policy link, etc.
I want it to look like this:
_
|ABN 72797798055 |XHTML|CSS|Accessibility|Top|
|_|
Markup currently goes:
div id=footerABN 72797798055
ul id=standardsline
lia href=http://validator.w3c.org/check/referer;XHTML/a/li
lia href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;CSS/a/li
lia href=/accessibility/Accessibility/a/li
lia href=#body title=Back to topTop/a/li
/ul
/div
And the CSS:
#footer {clear:both;text-align:left;}
#standardsline {float:right;display:inline;}
#standardsline li {display:inline;list-style-type:none;}
I've stripped irrelevant (presentation aside from layout) CSS from that, and the
display:inline in #standards line is probably unnecessary -- That's just me trying to
get it to work.
Currently, it's displaying like this:
_
|ABN 72797798055 |
|_|XHTML|CSS|Accessibility|Top|
which sucks. Well, not completely, but it's not how I want it to look.
Any suggestions?
Joshua Street
base10solutions
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[WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? If you were to do it, what's your preferred method? Thanks. -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
John, Imagine using a screen reader when you are suddenly catapulted into a new browser window. Your navigation is shot to pieces. It is best practice to always open external links within the same browser session. At worst, it is permissible when, for instance, you deem a pop-up associated with the current site to be the optimum solution for displaying additional information or when expanding a thumbnail but you should offer a courtesy warning such as This will open in a new window, or similar. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john Sent: 05 October 2004 17:30 To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window? Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? If you were to do it, what's your preferred method? Thanks. -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Also, checkout WAI Priority 2 Checkpoint 10.1 Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john Sent: 05 October 2004 17:30 To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window? Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? If you were to do it, what's your preferred method? Thanks. -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Thank you, Mike. This goes along with my line of thinking as well. ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter Mike Pepper wrote: John, Imagine using a screen reader when you are suddenly catapulted into a new browser window. Your navigation is shot to pieces. It is best practice to always open external links within the same browser session. At worst, it is permissible when, for instance, you deem a pop-up associated with the current site to be the optimum solution for displaying additional information or when expanding a thumbnail but you should offer a courtesy warning such as This will open in a new window, or similar. Mike Pepper Accessible Web Developer www.seowebsitepromotion.com www.gawds.org -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of john Sent: 05 October 2004 17:30 To: web standards group Subject: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window? Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? If you were to do it, what's your preferred method? Thanks. -- ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE5 Mac factors
I was recently prodded by a list member, Nick G, that I had more to worry about than some margins in my top nav. My layouts were all messed up in IE5 mac. Thanks Nick, I don't know why I was not paying attention to this. So, here's my question, and I'm sure it would be helpful to others. I visit all of the sites and read all of the blogs about css design. I've seen the use of filters and hacks to make IE5 mac work. But I'm looking for a place to see what IE5 mac does differently. Do you know of a good resource for IE5 Mac issues? I've added the Tantik filter to create an IE5 Mac style sheet and got the layout to work, but my forms are still messed up. I'd like to figure out what needs to be modified. I'm sure others would appreciate this resource as well. Thanks Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Mike Pepper wrote: John, Imagine using a screen reader when you are suddenly catapulted into a new browser window. Your navigation is shot to pieces. It is best practice to always open external links within the same browser session. At worst, it is permissible when, for instance, you deem a pop-up associated with the current site to be the optimum solution for displaying additional information or when expanding a thumbnail but you should offer a courtesy warning such as This will open in a new window, or similar. Many marketing groups would never accept replacing the content of the current browser window of their site with the content of an external site. Is there some standard way to give the user control of popups, such as a checbox (maybe somewhat obscured from visual browsers)? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] IE5 Mac factors
Hi Everyone I found an answer shortly after sending this message. http://www.macedition.com/cb/ie5macbugs/#floatwrap lists a series of ie5bugs. I'm going through the list and checking it twice, hopefully I'll find the styles that are naughty and nice. Ted -Original Message- From: Ted Drake Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 10:26 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] IE5 Mac factors I was recently prodded by a list member, Nick G, that I had more to worry about than some margins in my top nav. My layouts were all messed up in IE5 mac. Thanks Nick, I don't know why I was not paying attention to this. So, here's my question, and I'm sure it would be helpful to others. I visit all of the sites and read all of the blogs about css design. I've seen the use of filters and hacks to make IE5 mac work. But I'm looking for a place to see what IE5 mac does differently. Do you know of a good resource for IE5 Mac issues? I've added the Tantik filter to create an IE5 Mac style sheet and got the layout to work, but my forms are still messed up. I'd like to figure out what needs to be modified. I'm sure others would appreciate this resource as well. Thanks Ted ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
John wrote: Many marketing groups would never accept replacing the content of the current browser window of their site with the content of an external site. Is there some standard way to give the user control of popups, such as a checbox (maybe somewhat obscured from visual browsers)? Don't imagine that users of visual browsers are automatically free of disabilities. Think for instance about users with learning disabilities...they too would get confused by a new window being popped up, effectively breaking the back button navigation. The best thing to do, if the client is absolutely adamant that new windows be popped up, is to give users enough direct clues that activating a link will indeed open a new window (e.g. adding (opens in a new window) to the link text of title attribute, adding an icon - for instance via css' background property - or similar) Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
The best thing to do, if the client is absolutely adamant that new windows be popped up, is to give users enough direct clues that activating a link will indeed open a new window (e.g. adding (opens in a new window) to the link text of title attribute, adding an icon - for instance via css' background property - or similar) I agree with this thinking. Give people ample warning through surrounding text, title attributes, maybe an icon of some sort that lets them know they are leaving your page. -- Clayton Lengel-Zigich http://www.lengelzigich.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review plz.
Jacobus, I looked at your site using Firefox on Windows 2000 Pro. It is well put together. I find the pages a little too busy, but that is just personal taste. I went through the registration process and had the following problems: I didn't notice the I have read and understood the Terms Conditions http://www.freelancecontractors.com/member/signup.php?signupemail=freelance%40hyperbole-software.com# link until the page told me I needed to check the box beside it. You might want to change its placement or put the text in a box so the eye flows to it when reading down the page. The text in the popup window that contains the terms of use has its left margin about three inches to the left of the left edge of the window. I had to copy the text and paste it into an editor to read it. When I pressed the Register button, a dialog box kept telling me that the Web Site filed was missing or invalid. Since I had typed www.hyperbole-software.com into the field, I found it confusing, especially since the Web Site field is not a required field. I finally figured out that you expect http:// in front of the site designation. When I got to page three, the Register button is still active and since the process said it was a three step process and I had only pressed the Register button twice, I pressed it again. This time I got a message that my e-mail address was already registered. The Register button should not show up on page three. Once I finished the registration, there is no way to go back to the home page. The only way I could find to Login was to do a search and when I selected a project the site told me I was trying to access a members only page and asked me to login. you need to have a login or link to login on the home page and other pages. Also once logged in, there is no indication that I am logged in. It would be a good idea to add a line to each screen that says Welcome back user name. After I signed up, I expected my name to appear in the Newest Members section on the home page, but the same names were still listed there as before I signed up. I assume you are not generating this page out of your database so that it can automatically update this section. Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Dear all, I would like to have your comments, as regards to improvements for: http://www.freelancecontractors.com If you encounter any errors/problems please give a short description of the error, the OS and browser details. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 This e-mail message is confidential and intended solely for the person to whom or the entity to which it is addressed. All the contents and any attachments remain the property of Catics Ltd unless so stated. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from reading, copying, using or disclosing this message to others. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this e-mail or by telephoning +27 21 9827805 and thereafter delete the message. Catics Ltd does not accept liability for any personal views expressed in this message. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.772 / Virus Database: 519 - Release Date: 2004/10/01 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
john wrote: Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. Please see the first two items at: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? If you were to do it, what's your preferred method? I have more respect for a user than to decide for him when he needs a new window. It's his computer, not yours. Modern browsers (those not made by M$) give either partial or complete power to disregard any site attempt to open a new window. You can see discussion of development of the power to do this and issues involved in the Firefox browser at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172962 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227241 as well as several others on Mozilla.org's bugzilla. -- [W]hoever finds me finds life[A]ll who hate me love death. Proverbs 8:35-6 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? The fact that the target attribute has disappeared from XHTML speaks volumes: don't open new windows. Opening new browser windows is about annoying as blinking text, or marquee text, and I can't think of a single instance where a popup window resolves a design issue cannot be resolved through other means. Many marketing groups would never accept replacing the content of the current browser window of their site with the content of an external site. Marketing groups need to 'get with the program' and 'raise the bar' if they want to be known for 'excellence' in web design, and realise pop ups are just s twentith century. It is arrogance of the highest order to assume that by following a link on your page your visitor has not achieved what they want from your site. If I want to open a window I'll do it myself thanks, assuming my UA has that capability. ./tdw ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
I think this is a weakness and failing in the CSS spec. I feel designers should be able to assign any (relevant) ASCII character or Special Character set to list elements. rsaquo; and #187; would be good to be able to use as well. Because designers do this anyway, I've seen it. You have to make the tool kit available to give them a chance to be semantically correct, otherwise they are forced to add semi-garbage. They should have added this in the CSS spec. Geoff -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Trusz, AndrewSent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:29 PMTo: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: RE: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links From: i] On Behalf Of Richard CzeigerSubject: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links Hi guys, I'm putting together a semantically correct UL of links for my footer. I'd like to have them separated by 'pipes' as this is a common and easily recognised technique. But the pipes themselves are irrelevant (semantically). So here's what I've come up with... Why not save yourself all the trouble and just use the ascii vertical bar "#124;" for the pipe? drew
RE: [WSG] Site review plz.
Dear all, I would like to have your comments, as regards to improvements for: http://www.freelancecontractors.com If you encounter any errors/problems please give a short description of the error, the OS and browser details. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk If you want people using screen readers to handle forms that have mandatory data don't use the * after the field. This is an all too common mistake, and something the accessibility community really hasn't done enough to correct. The way to make such data accessible to all is to wrap the form elements in a fieldset and give the legend a meaningful title, such as Required Fields (or whatever). But beware the bugs that fieldset can cause javascript to through on form elements. The only way to fix this is to use it and report the bugs to the developers. Good to see dl being used well. Geoff ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions
Hi, Sorry I am a bit late on this. While I haven't got a direct answer, I wrote an article about PDFs and Accessibility which might provide you with some useful information. http://www.usability.com.au/resources/pdf.cfm I know some large organisations (at least one bank) use tools to automatically convert PDFs to RTF - however, they have to then translate the information contained in things like graphs and flow charts by hand. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of CHAUDHRY, Bhuvnesh Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions Hi, The WE04 was great but unfortunately none of the speakers discussed the issue of making PDF files accessible. I am currently facing this problem. Does anyone have ideas about the tools in market to convert PDF into HTML or any other ways to make the PDF files accessible. Any thoughts would be welcome. Thanks Bhuvnesh Chaudhry * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] default place-holders for forms
and regardless of the benefits or otherwise of placeholder text in text inputs, having dummy values in password fields is presumably useless. in fact, i would say it's worse than useless, as the last thing you want is someone leaving the password field unchanged and then having no idea what the password is. i conclude that this is a bug in Bobby and/or a flaw in the guidelines that it is based on. On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 17:19:45 +1000, Web Usability [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry I am late on this topic. But I agree with Steven. In practice, the screen reader users I have worked with find form place holders an irritant. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 4 October 2004 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] default place-holders for forms Hi Andreas, not sure about the article, but we do recommend to our clients that they not use default place holding cahracters. from what i have read on the various accessibility lists, it appears that it is pretty safe to say that the checkpoint is no longer relevant. but i may be wrong.. some relevant list discussions Paul Bohman from webaim was saying its no longer needed back in 02' http://www.webaim.org/discussion/mail_message.php?id=2113 Updating specs and tools Re: place-holding characters in edit/text boxes: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ig/2003JulSep/0399.html with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions
There are a few tools and some suggestions to make PDF documents accessible but do you think there is one solution/process/tool which can actually convert a typical PDF file containing 2 column text flow a few graphs a couple of tables and a few images into a usable (not only accessible) document for the web? I still have a feeling that you can click on all these links to gather some information but at the end of the day you still don't have a solution. I just feel helpless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kershaw, Lilania Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions OminPage is an OCR program. Haven't used it yet, but supposed to convert PDFs to any document type - word, excel, htm, etc, and retain formatting. pretty cheap too, under 1K Lilania Kershaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Bentley Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions Does anyone have ideas about the tools in market to convert PDF into HTML http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdftohtml/ cheers, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is prohibited. Please notify us immediately by return e-mail if you are not the intended recipient and delete all copies of the original message and attachments. This footnote also confirms that this message has been checked for computer viruses. * ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
On Wed, 2004-10-06 at 02:30, john wrote: Is there a standard answer for Web standards, or what are your points of view on this? Here is a recent discussion on the proposed CSS3 property 'target-new' which was considering putting target behaviour into CSS, uurrgh! I think the points raised here, very much hit the nail on the head. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2004Sep/0074.html Regards Chris Blown ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw john wrote: Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:13:17 +1000, Geoff Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this is a weakness and failing in the CSS spec. I feel designers should be able to assign any (relevant) ASCII character or Special Character set to list elements. snip/ They should have added this in the CSS spec. They did. See the :before pseudo element and the content property: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q11 http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/generate.html#q12 Of course, certain browsers don't implement these features at all, which makes them kinda useless in most cases, but they do exist. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Government warned on Web site discrimination
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=973165449eid=-180 Excerpt: The man who sued SOCOG over Web site accessibility has warned that rising complaints against government Web sites' use of PDF documents are being made under commonwealth law. Bruce Maguire, the disabled rights advocate who sued the Sydney Organising Committee for the Olympic Games for providing a site inaccessible to blind people, said the government's trend towards online PDF documents was attracting a growing number of DDA [Disability Discrimination Act] complaints. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE5 Mac factors
On Wednesday, Oct 6, 2004, at 03:26 Australia/Sydney, Ted Drake wrote: I visit all of the sites and read all of the blogs about css design. I've seen the use of filters and hacks to make IE5 mac work. But I'm looking for a place to see what IE5 mac does differently. Do you know of a good resource for IE5 Mac issues? Ted, you should also Bookmark Phillipe Wittenberg's excellent and extensive resource at http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Okay, I'll stick my neck out here for a list chopping. I personally like opening a new window whenever I'm web surfing. It's something that I got into a habit or doing long ago and far away. I'm still waiting for a big, honking G5 to be sitting under my fingertips, but until that day I'm stuck on a G3 Mac at OS9 on IE5.1.7. I hate the IE interface (actually, I hate all browser interfaces) and I close it down to nothing but the address bar. The back, forward, stop and reload buttons are available in the top left hand corner, but the only one I really use is the reload button. Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons. This is just the way I ended up traveling the web, I'm sure that others have their own ways as well. I've discussed this with my partners and others and they all like the open a new window concept. I fully understand the other point of view and why the W3C believes what they believe. I've never been ticked off by a site opening a link in a new window, but I sure as heck have been royally unhappy with pop-up, under and through windows as well as poorly coded java script that freeze my machine or web sites that only work in IE for windows. In fact, those are much higher sins (IMHO) than opening a link in a new window... gulp On 10/5/04 7:19 PM, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw john wrote: Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
I think the key word here is choice. you can choose to open it up in a new window if that's your preference. But where it makes surfing impossible , or difficult, then it probably shouldn't be the default. Lisa -Original Message- From: Wayne Godfrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window? Okay, I'll stick my neck out here for a list chopping. I personally like opening a new window whenever I'm web surfing. It's something that I got into a habit or doing long ago and far away. I'm still waiting for a big, honking G5 to be sitting under my fingertips, but until that day I'm stuck on a G3 Mac at OS9 on IE5.1.7. I hate the IE interface (actually, I hate all browser interfaces) and I close it down to nothing but the address bar. The back, forward, stop and reload buttons are available in the top left hand corner, but the only one I really use is the reload button. Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons. This is just the way I ended up traveling the web, I'm sure that others have their own ways as well. I've discussed this with my partners and others and they all like the open a new window concept. I fully understand the other point of view and why the W3C believes what they believe. I've never been ticked off by a site opening a link in a new window, but I sure as heck have been royally unhappy with pop-up, under and through windows as well as poorly coded java script that freeze my machine or web sites that only work in IE for windows. In fact, those are much higher sins (IMHO) than opening a link in a new window... gulp On 10/5/04 7:19 PM, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw john wrote: Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Wayne Godfrey wrote: Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons. Key here is *I* [...] ended up opening a new tab. You, the user, made that choice. Not the web author/developer... Patrick _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Thanks Wayne, appreciate the risk ;-) What you are describing though is your personal preference for opening new windows - which I am all in favour for. I prefer tabbed window browsers myself and open alot of tabs - and therein lies my point. Opening my own windows suits me and my workflow for the variety of computers I work on. Having someone else do it is annoying, distruptive, and rude. But I will change my opinion if there is good reason to... especially one related to usability. ./tdw On 6/10/04 12:58 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Okay, I'll stick my neck out here for a list chopping. I personally like opening a new window whenever I'm web surfing. It's something that I got into a habit or doing long ago and far away. I'm still waiting for a big, honking G5 to be sitting under my fingertips, but until that day I'm stuck on a G3 Mac at OS9 on IE5.1.7. I hate the IE interface (actually, I hate all browser interfaces) and I close it down to nothing but the address bar. The back, forward, stop and reload buttons are available in the top left hand corner, but the only one I really use is the reload button. Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons. This is just the way I ended up traveling the web, I'm sure that others have their own ways as well. I've discussed this with my partners and others and they all like the open a new window concept. I fully understand the other point of view and why the W3C believes what they believe. I've never been ticked off by a site opening a link in a new window, but I sure as heck have been royally unhappy with pop-up, under and through windows as well as poorly coded java script that freeze my machine or web sites that only work in IE for windows. In fact, those are much higher sins (IMHO) than opening a link in a new window... gulp ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
We currently use popup windows to provide an answer/feedback for an activity/questionnaire. At one stage we were using hidden divs and JS to unhide the div when the user hit a submit button, but from a usability standpoint that was bad as it reset the page to the top (and so a screenreader would lose its place). If screenreaders don't like popups either, can anyone suggest an accessable way to unhide content such as answers to a quiz? Ben. There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
That's the point that needs to be made. Until the recent push to standards and usability, everyone was just doing what was considered the norm. This journey into standards and accessibility is completely new to me and many others. BUT, there is still a stronghold of folks who think in tables, pop-up windows and bad code. The real challenge for me has been less in the changing of my code and more in the changing of my mind. The standards mode has made me think differently. I never even considered accessibility until I read Zeldman, Cederholm, Myers and the rest. My battle is not here, but with my partners, as I have a site full of links opening in new windows. Arrrg!! Now I have to change their minds and ways! The irony is, that version 2 of our site that currently validates in XHTML Transitional, will actually be ready to go before the tables version 1 is even finished! And that's what I love about the standards process. BTW, I was a little hesitant to join this list, but am I ever glad I did. I've gotten more answers and info in a week and a half than I could have ever imagined. AND the topper, is you all are great people as well. Many, many thanks to everyone out there. w On 10/5/04 8:17 PM, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wayne, appreciate the risk ;-) What you are describing though is your personal preference for opening new windows - which I am all in favour for. I prefer tabbed window browsers myself and open alot of tabs - and therein lies my point. Opening my own windows suits me and my workflow for the variety of computers I work on. Having someone else do it is annoying, distruptive, and rude. But I will change my opinion if there is good reason to... especially one related to usability. ./tdw On 6/10/04 12:58 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Okay, I'll stick my neck out here for a list chopping. I personally like opening a new window whenever I'm web surfing. It's something that I got into a habit or doing long ago and far away. I'm still waiting for a big, honking G5 to be sitting under my fingertips, but until that day I'm stuck on a G3 Mac at OS9 on IE5.1.7. I hate the IE interface (actually, I hate all browser interfaces) and I close it down to nothing but the address bar. The back, forward, stop and reload buttons are available in the top left hand corner, but the only one I really use is the reload button. Even with the tab browsers that I've tried, I still end up opening a new tab more often than using the back and forward buttons. This is just the way I ended up traveling the web, I'm sure that others have their own ways as well. I've discussed this with my partners and others and they all like the open a new window concept. I fully understand the other point of view and why the W3C believes what they believe. I've never been ticked off by a site opening a link in a new window, but I sure as heck have been royally unhappy with pop-up, under and through windows as well as poorly coded java script that freeze my machine or web sites that only work in IE for windows. In fact, those are much higher sins (IMHO) than opening a link in a new window... gulp ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Apparently I too browse in a very similar manner to Wayne, I open just about every link in a new tab. Back when I used IE, I opened them in a new window (Shift+Click was a wonderful thing, now it's Ctrl+Click) However, I totally disapprove of opening links in a new window for one reason only: If the link opens a new tab/window and I DON'T want one, how do I correct that easily? If the link doesn't open a new tab/window and I want one I can easily modify my actions to make it happen via keyboard shortcuts or the context menu. Cutting and pasting URLs = pain in the bum = annoyed user The only way to get by these days is to assume that the user knows what they want and how to get it, and at least provide a consistent experience for the users who don't know those things Someone previously mentioned those with learning disabilities becoming confused by new windows unexpectedly opening. This also applies to the non-IT savvy amongst us, of whom there are many. A consistent user-experience is absolutely necessary in order to allow these people to cope with the bewilderment they experience simply by being on a computer, let alone the web The argument that users will learn to cope doesn't hold water with me. Some users will, but there will always be some who won't. I work with one guy regularly who is quite smart and very knowledgeable in his own field but for the last ten years I've been trying to teach him how to save to a disk and he still doesn't get it. He is obviously an extreme case, but I work with many others with only slightly better IT capabilities. Anything which reduces confusion for these folks and increases consistency is a good thing! Cheers, Lachlan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
1. p id=q1question/p a href=anwserq1.htmlcheck out the answer to question 1./a and in answerq1: a href=questions.html#q1return to quiz/a 2. write the answers into the document server side when the form is submitted and return it. 3. If the quiz relies on js then write the answer in using the DOM. I'd go with a combination of 2 3. ./tdw On 6/10/04 1:24 PM, Greer, Ben wrote: We currently use popup windows to provide an answer/feedback for an activity/questionnaire. At one stage we were using hidden divs and JS to unhide the div when the user hit a submit button, but from a usability standpoint that was bad as it reset the page to the top (and so a screenreader would lose its place). If screenreaders don't like popups either, can anyone suggest an accessable way to unhide content such as answers to a quiz? Ben. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
A number of the corporations I've work for have the best practice of presenting a page in the same window which notifies the user that they are about to leave the coproration name web site with links that give the user the choice of continuing on to an external website or returning to the page they clicked on the external link from. Many of them also add a disclaimer on this page that lets the user know that the website they are going to content is not controlled by them and therefore they can't gaurantee the content. If they choose to go on, the external site is opened in the same window to avoid confusion of windows lost behind, or not knowing what has happened. After careful thought I have instituted this process during many other contracts since it allows the user to make a decision. Since they are links, not buttons the user can also opt to open the external link in a separate window and return to the the page the external link was on. Though I do not urge clients to use the disclaimer since they're already announcing it's not their website. This is done whether the external link is integrated into text or on a links page, since it's not reasonable to assume that all web users understand that a links page generally means external links. Susan Grossman On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:43:30 +1000, Lachlan Hardy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently I too browse in a very similar manner to Wayne, I open just about every link in a new tab. Back when I used IE, I opened them in a new window (Shift+Click was a wonderful thing, now it's Ctrl+Click) However, I totally disapprove of opening links in a new window for one reason only: If the link opens a new tab/window and I DON'T want one, how do I correct that easily? If the link doesn't open a new tab/window and I want one I can easily modify my actions to make it happen via keyboard shortcuts or the context menu. Cutting and pasting URLs = pain in the bum = annoyed user The only way to get by these days is to assume that the user knows what they want and how to get it, and at least provide a consistent experience for the users who don't know those things Someone previously mentioned those with learning disabilities becoming confused by new windows unexpectedly opening. This also applies to the non-IT savvy amongst us, of whom there are many. A consistent user-experience is absolutely necessary in order to allow these people to cope with the bewilderment they experience simply by being on a computer, let alone the web The argument that users will learn to cope doesn't hold water with me. Some users will, but there will always be some who won't. I work with one guy regularly who is quite smart and very knowledgeable in his own field but for the last ten years I've been trying to teach him how to save to a disk and he still doesn't get it. He is obviously an extreme case, but I work with many others with only slightly better IT capabilities. Anything which reduces confusion for these folks and increases consistency is a good thing! Cheers, Lachlan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards UI Developer
Title: Message Hi Daniel, I am interested in the position however, as this is off-topic could you please reply directly, see details below. Thank you Lyndel Lyndel Munro E-Business Manager Child Support Agency Bus: (02) 6272 8425 Fax: (02) 6272 8897 Mob: 0408 810 199Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel HamiltonSent: Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:02To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [WSG] Web Standards UI Developer Hi, Slightly off topic here, but thought it may interest some one. The company I work for has an opening for a WebUser Interfacedeveloper that has strong working knowledge of Web standards, Accessibility and useability. The complete job listing is here on Seek. If you are interested please contact me. I have had a lot of garbage from seek so I am keen to see some tuned in web developers. Please no hard core backend developers as this job will not interest you in the long run. http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=13PageNumber=1ChannelID=4SiteID=1JobId=4135428Keywords= Cheers,Dan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Daniel HamiltonWeb UI Developer ---This email and any files transmitted with it are solely intended for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you receive this email in error, please advise us by return email immediately. Please also disregard the contents of the email, delete it and destroy any copies immediately.Computershare Limited and its subsidiaries do not accept liability for the views expressed in the email or for the consequences of any computer viruses that may be transmitted with this email.This email is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written consent of the copyright owner. IMPORTANT The information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and may result in severe penalties. If you have received this email in error please notify the Privacy Contact Officer of the Child Support Agency, telephone 02 6272 8346 and delete all copies of this transmission together with any attachments.
RE: [WSG] Web Standards UI Developer
Title: Message Here is the info from the Job ad Web Developer / UI Interface Specialist Computershare Technology Services, part of the world's largest Share Registry, is seeking an experienced Web Developer / UI Specialist to join our Internet Development Team. We are working on several exciting web-based projects, involving leading edge technologies.The Internet Development Team is primarily responsible for the development of Internet applications for our clients and shareholder base and generic web components used within the Internet applications. This role compromise of both front-end development (70%) and back-end development (30%), you will also be expected to have a solid background in user interaction design and understand accessibility and Useability issues.This is an excellent opportunity to move into .NET technology, with the team commencing a major conversion project of the whole code base to .NET.The successful applicant must meet the following requirements:Requirements:* Significant commercial web development experience* Direct experience designing and developing dynamic, scalable user-interfaces using XHTML, CSS, XML/XSLT. Must be able to use CSS for structural layout (i.e. no tables) * Must have strong Vbscript / ASP skills. Any VB.NET experience is held in high regard but not a must* Must have strong understanding and working knowledge of W3C standards for XHTML, CSS, and understand semantic design* Knowledge of accessibility guidelines, assistive technologies a keen eye for Usability and graphic design* Must be proficient in Adobe Photoshop and Flash would be and advantage* Strong understanding of HTTP and the principles of how the internet works* Experience in object oriented analysis and design* Familiarity with source control* Must be able to work independently and as part of a team* Proven ability to meet deadlines* Excellent verbal and written skills are a must* Excellent problem solving skills Let me know if you are interested. Cheers,Dan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Daniel Hamilton Developer - Web Group Computershare Technology Services Phone: +61 2 8234 5058 (Direct) Fax: +61 2 8234 5400 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Munro, LyndelSent: Wednesday, 6 October 2004 11:32 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [WSG] Web Standards UI Developer Hi Daniel, I am interested in the position however, as this is off-topic could you please reply directly, see details below. Thank you Lyndel Lyndel Munro E-Business Manager Child Support Agency Bus: (02) 6272 8425 Fax: (02) 6272 8897 Mob: 0408 810 199Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel HamiltonSent: Wednesday, 6 October 2004 10:02To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [WSG] Web Standards UI Developer Hi, Slightly off topic here, but thought it may interest some one. The company I work for has an opening for a WebUser Interfacedeveloper that has strong working knowledge of Web standards, Accessibility and useability. The complete job listing is here on Seek. If you are interested please contact me. I have had a lot of garbage from seek so I am keen to see some tuned in web developers. Please no hard core backend developers as this job will not interest you in the long run. http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=13PageNumber=1ChannelID=4SiteID=1JobId=4135428Keywords= Cheers,Dan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Daniel HamiltonWeb UI Developer ---This email and any files transmitted with it are solely intended for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you receive this email in error, please advise us by return email immediately. Please also disregard the contents of the email, delete it and destroy any copies immediately.Computershare Limited and its subsidiaries do not accept liability for the views expressed in the email or for the consequences of any computer viruses that may be transmitted with this email.This email is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written consent of the copyright owner.IMPORTANTThe information transmitted is for the use of the intended recipient only and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged material. Any unauthorised use of this information by other than the intended recipient is prohibited and
[WSG] Web and Online Accessibility Workshop, Canberra on 9 November 2004
The National Information and Library Service (NILS) is running a Web and Online Accessibility Workshop in Canberra on 9 November 2004. These workshops introduce accessibility issues in terms of Australian policy contexts and internationally recognised requirements. (NILS is a subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd, formerly Royal Blind Society of NSW, Royal Victorian Institute for the Blind and Vision Australia Foundation). Details and registration forms are at: http://www.nils.org.au/ais/web/workshops/0911-canb.html This full-day workshop is targeted at web-development team leaders, corporate communications professionals, business managers, along with content authors, web programmers, designers and web contract managers. Tania Conlan Research and Administration Officer Accessible Information Solutions National Information and Library Service (NILS) A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd PO Box 860, Hawthorn VIC 3122 454 Glenferrie Road, Kooyong VIC 3144 Ph: (03) 9864 9249 Fax: (03) 9864 9370 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.accessibleinfo.org.au with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Almost too obvious to point out, but we have a web-based app which opens (full-sized) new windows sometimes, and in training, I often have people say what happened to the Back button? It doesn't work! -- if they're running a maximised Windows browser, a new window opening is often indistinguishable from navigation to another page. These are not the kind of users who will look down at the taskbar and notice a second window icon for IE and figure it out for themselves. Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 2110 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site review
Hi everyone We have just finished our department's site redevelopment (~4 months work). http://www.properties.curtin.edu.au/ Our first go at full standards. Generated pages (ie content pages) by our in-house CMS aren't fully standard yet. We are a Mac-centric team but have heavily tested on most browsers on most platform (including half-usable NS4.7 - attach ?css=none at the end of URL). We're not sure where to start with 508 issues.. partially covered. Comments/thoughts/critiques? Many thanks Moorey Moorey Mohamad Web Multimedia Developer, Properties Curtin University of Technology Kent Street, Bentley, 6102, Western Australia Tel: +61 (8) 9266 4965 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Properties! - http://www.properties.curtin.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions
Hi Chaudry, the PDF to html conversion tools i know of do not create accessible HTML, merely flaky html versions of the inaccessible PDF's your best bet is to mark up the content as HTML in the first place and offer the PDF as an alternative. I presume this is not what you wanted to hear... with regards Steven Faulkner Web Accessibility Consultant National Information Library Service (NILS) 454 Glenferrie Road Kooyong Victoria 3144 Phone: (613) 9864 9281 Fax: (613) 9864 9210 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] National Information Library Service A subsidiary of RBS.RVIB.VAF Ltd. CHAUDHRY, BhuvneshTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]cc: v.auSubject: RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] group.org 06/10/2004 08:51 AM Please respond to wsg There are a few tools and some suggestions to make PDF documents accessible but do you think there is one solution/process/tool which can actually convert a typical PDF file containing 2 column text flow a few graphs a couple of tables and a few images into a usable (not only accessible) document for the web? I still have a feeling that you can click on all these links to gather some information but at the end of the day you still don't have a solution. I just feel helpless. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kershaw, Lilania Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions OminPage is an OCR program. Haven't used it yet, but supposed to convert PDFs to any document type - word, excel, htm, etc, and retain formatting. pretty cheap too, under 1K Lilania Kershaw -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chris Bentley Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2004 3:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] PDF to HTML conversions Does anyone have ideas about the tools in market to convert PDF into HTML http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdftohtml/ cheers, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** * This e-mail message (along with any attachments) is intended only for the named addressee and could contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that any dissemination, copying or use of any of the information is
Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
Apparently I too browse in a very similar manner to Wayne, I open just about every link in a new tab. Back when I used IE, I opened them in a new window (Shift+Click was a wonderful thing, now it's Ctrl+Click) However, I totally disapprove of opening links in a new window for one reason only: If the link opens a new tab/window and I DON'T want one, how do I correct that easily? If the link doesn't open a new tab/window and I want one I can easily modify my actions to make it happen via keyboard shortcuts or the context menu. Cutting and pasting URLs = pain in the bum = annoyed user The only way to get by these days is to assume that the user knows what they want and how to get it, and at least provide a consistent experience for the users who don't know those things Someone previously mentioned those with learning disabilities becoming confused by new windows unexpectedly opening. This also applies to the non-IT savvy amongst us, of whom there are many. A consistent user-experience is absolutely necessary in order to allow these people to cope with the bewilderment they experience simply by being on a computer, let alone the web The argument that users will learn to cope doesn't hold water with me. Some users will, but there will always be some who won't. I work with one guy regularly who is quite smart and very knowledgeable in his own field but for the last ten years I've been trying to teach him how to save to a disk and he still doesn't get it. He is obviously an extreme case, but I work with many others with only slightly better IT capabilities. Anything which reduces confusion for these folks and increases consistency is a good thing! Cheers, Lachlan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
We currently use popup windows to provide an answer/feedback for an activity/questionnaire. At one stage we were using hidden divs and JS to unhide the div when the user hit a submit button, but from a usability standpoint that was bad as it reset the page to the top (and so a screenreader would lose its place). If screenreaders don't like popups either, can anyone suggest an accessable way to unhide content such as answers to a quiz? Ben. There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw ** This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain privileged information or confidential information or both. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it and notify the sender. ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Web Standards UI Developer
Hi, Slightly off topic here, but thought it may interest some one. The company I work for has an opening for a WebUser Interfacedeveloper that has strong working knowledge of Web standards, Accessibility and useability. The complete job listing is here on Seek. If you are interested please contact me. I have had a lot of garbage from seek so I am keen to see some tuned in web developers. Please no hard core backend developers as this job will not interest you in the long run. http://it.seek.com.au/users/apply/index.ascx?Sequence=13PageNumber=1ChannelID=4SiteID=1JobId=4135428Keywords= Cheers,Dan. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Daniel HamiltonWeb UI Developer --- This email and any files transmitted with it are solely intended for the use of the addressee(s) and may contain information that is confidential and privileged. If you receive this email in error, please advise us by return email immediately. Please also disregard the contents of the email, delete it and destroy any copies immediately. Computershare Limited and its subsidiaries do not accept liability for the views expressed in the email or for the consequences of any computer viruses that may be transmitted with this email. This email is also subject to copyright. No part of it should be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written consent of the copyright owner. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [WSG] Site review
the front flash file is rather wide on IE 6. Quoting Moorey Mohamad [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi everyone We have just finished our department's site redevelopment (~4 months work). http://www.properties.curtin.edu.au/ Our first go at full standards. Generated pages (ie content pages) by our in-house CMS aren't fully standard yet. We are a Mac-centric team but have heavily tested on most browsers on most platform (including half-usable NS4.7 - attach ?css=none at the end of URL). We're not sure where to start with 508 issues.. partially covered. Comments/thoughts/critiques? Many thanks Moorey Moorey Mohamad Web Multimedia Developer, Properties Curtin University of Technology Kent Street, Bentley, 6102, Western Australia Tel: +61 (8) 9266 4965 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Properties! - http://www.properties.curtin.edu.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window?
The reason you would want to usa a 'popup' is for contextual information. Usually this is in more of a web application scenario than a website per-se. So you have to think more broadly in the term of website than serving documents with content in them (ala 'surfing'). Contextual information has been used for a looong time in user interfaces. Just think of the numerous desktop applications you use on a daily basis and how they use pop-up windows to either prompt for more data, or provide other useful information. If you think about these scenarios, it is when the application needs to present something new to you, but do so in a way that you don't lose your context. You don't want to alter the layout of the 'page' for this, because the content may not be directly related, and it can confuse the user from accomplishing their task. Think of complex scenarios such as when your funneling a user through a shopping cart checkout. In these scenarios, you do not want to distract the user in any way from the task, you don't want to confuse them. However, often you might need to collect data on a particular topic related to the checkout process. This is a fantastic time to use contextual windows. They allow the user to answer the question in a way that they can still 'see' or be aware of what they were originally doing, rather than going to another page and losing context. Now the reason 'it's up to the user' bit doesn't apply is because this is an application. The user is already using the application and they are actively engaged in it. Applications are geared to helping the user accomplish a task. Passive browsing is different, and most of the arguments expressed here are great points for that user context. To use another example, imagine a long article on a webpage. You funneled through the navigation and selected your article you are going to invest time to read. The article has a lot of diagrams. This is a good place to use contextual information. Think of a physical book. Ever been anoyed at having to skip ahead or back to find that diagram they referenced? Your annoyed because you lost your context, you lost your place in the text and had to go somewhere else to find the extra information. In a web article, those same diagrams can 'popup' in small windows, and you can view and close them without having to lose your place. This is not possible by sending the user to a whole new webpage. Trust me, user testing would find the contextual scenario much more pleasing. Also remember dial-up users. Loading and reloading that page takes time, even with 'cache'. Viewing the contextual information is much faster if it appears in it's own window. Now you could use DHTML for this. This is a pretty feasible alternative. But it has drawbacks all its own. The issue is not the mechanism for 'popping up', it's the usability of contextual information that is the issue. Remember there are years of history in user experience design for applications, and those tried and true methods don't fall off the face of the planet with a new medium :) Cheers Ryan Nichols Graphic Design / Web Development -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terrence Wood Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] thoughts of external links in new window? There is a whole plethora of points against opening new windows... I am really curious as to what your usability team, or anybody else, see as the benfits of opening new windows. ./tdw john wrote: Some of my usability team are telling me that they prefer to have external links going into a new browser window. I can see why some would like that, but I can also see why others would frown on it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
Jake Badger wrote: Comments/thoughts/critiques? Hi! Missing titles from links no any validation in Online SCC Work Requests, blank form could be sended :/ nize site indeed, I like the design. Antti ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site review
G'day Just a few things 1. Even at 1152x864 and I get a massive horizontal scrollbar. 2. Very slow loading, which isn't surprising with 8 scripts, 5 css files and 33 images. To me, 350kB+ of files to download is a lot of overhead for a page with only about 70 words on it. Suggest you have a look at http://www.websiteoptimization.com/services/analyze/wso.php?url=http://www.p roperties.curtin.edu.au/, unless you know your intended audience will all have high-speed access. 3. Some of the navigation is lost if there's no images. Accessibility issue? Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer www.bwdzine.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
