Re: [WSG] Screenshot tool
Thanks Jose www.browsershots.org looks like a very useful service -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for iFocus, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Jose Florido wrote: Hi! Try http://www.browsershots.org/ it's an app similar to browsercam but it's free :) Regards -- Jose Florido www.avidos.net http://www.avidos.net - Original Message - *From:* Colm Walsh mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Sent:* Monday, June 20, 2005 7:43 AM *Subject:* [WSG] Screenshot tool I'm trying to locate that really handy site that allow you to preview screenshots of your webpage on all browser/platform combinations. Does anyone know the URL. Regards, Colm ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Best way to embed WMV file in webpage?
Hi I have to embed a WMV (Windows Media Video) file on a page in a clients website and would appreciate any tips to improve the code used in my test page at http://www.rci.com.au/en/test/test.htm FYI a quick test in Firefox, IE6 and Opera 8 worked fine -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for iFocus, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Two questions: SEO document structure and font resizing
You cant stop font resizing in mozilla, and thank goodness for that :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for iFocus, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Conversant Studios wrote: Hey there guys, I'll get straight to it - here's the site I'm referring to - http://www.travelinsurancecompared.com.au/ 2. Font resizing The navigation on the site is pretty locked in and I had to use absolute font sizes (px) rather than relative which I normally use. However, the fonts still resize in mozilla browsers and some others. I know this is a heretical question - but how do I stop it? Look forward to your learned responses, Benvolio -- Ben Webster Conversant Studios www.conversantstudios.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] mambo and web standards
Im not a WSG moderator, but I know they'll soon point you to joining cms@webstandardsgroup.org where your post is not off-topic (OT) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for NetX, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav john wrote: Greetings, I'm strongly considering using Mambo as a CMS, mainly because I have a new client that requires a back-end real estate solution, and Mosets has created, from what I can tell, exactly what the client needs. I've never used a CMS before, so I'm wondering if anybody could relieve my fears (or justify them). Can I create a web site for this client, and then integrate Mambo into it, or do I have to think further ahead and set things up in Mambo, then build a template for it? I'm sorry if those are silly questions, but...well...like I said, I've never used a CMS before. :) Getting more to the point (and on-topic), does Mambo support web standards? I'm obviously going to use CSS and XHTML on this, so I need to be sure that I'm not getting into something that goes against my design ethics. Thanks for your help. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] excerpt:SitePoint Design View #9 - Small Screen Development
Testing for Smartphones PDAs So, you were won over to the 'standards compliancy' argument. You now build your pages to HTML standards and sleep soundly in the knowledge that your work is accessible and device-independent. Ok, the reality isn't quite that easy, but it's a good place to start. The most depressing part is that, with the proliferation of phone/PDA-based browsing, there are now dozens of mobile browsers out there with viable markets. The list of key players include AvantGo, Blazer, DoCoMo, EudoraWeb, ftxBrowser, PalmSource, Nokia Mobile Browser, NetFront, OpenWave, Opera for Mobile, Plucker and Xiino -- just to name a few. The second depressing thing is they are actually getting harder to design for as they become more 'advanced'. In the past you could rely on them to simply ignore JavaScript and CSS. Not any more. Most now know just enough to get you into trouble. Fortunately, at this point in time, most of us aren't required to focus on delivering content to mobile devices. However, with Tim Berners-Lee this week announcing the W3C's 'Mobile Web Initiative', I thought now might be a good time for you to see how your current code fairs. So, assuming you don't own 50 phones, how can you find out? Here are a few ideas, listed from easiest to hardest in terms of setup and use. to get the full article you'll have to subscribe to Sitepoints Design View email newsletter http://www.sitepoint.com/newsletter/archives.php But a quick summary is: 1. Opera's Small Screen Rendering Mode - www.opera.com 2. WinWap's free Smartphone Browser Emulator -http://www.winwap.com/downloads.php 3. Openwave's Phone Simulator 7.0 - http://developer.openwave.com/dvl/tools_and_sdk/openwave_mobile_sdk/phone_simulator/ 4. Nokia's Mobile Browser - http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/0,6566,034-13,00.html -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for NetX, Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Minimum browsers/OS tested for?
Hi I havent asked this for a while so it would be interesting to know what the current trend in Browser/Operating system support is for the freelancers/corporates on this list to see if there has been any change in the last 6-12 months Theoretical example 1: we used to design for 5.x browsers but recently stopped doing so without charging clients an extra XX% Theoretical example 2: we didn't test functionality on Mozilla before, but the increasing usage of Mozilla in site statistics convinced management to allow time for Mozilla testing etc etc -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Can fonts be fixed in firefox?
Andreas If you mean can you stop text resizing in Firefox even though the user types CTRL+ or CTRL- , than the short answer is No. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media] wrote: Is there any way to overcome Firefox' accessibility and fix the font-size? Thanks heaps for the feedback! Andreas. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Can fonts be fixed in firefox?
Parker If you mean a *css* background image than it has no semantic meaning and therefore needs no alt information (nor could you add any alt information to a css created background image if you wanted to anyway) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Parker Torrence wrote: On 5/9/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But *please*, for the love of accesibility, make sure the images have meaningful alt attribute set... P How does one set an alt attribute for a background image? Parker ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] font list?
what you need is: http://www.visibone.com/font/tests.html http://www.visibone.com/font/FontResults.html :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav john wrote: Hello, everybody. Not specifically related to standards, but I hope this is a simply enough question that somebody can respond. No matter how hard I try to explain, one of my clients just cannot understand that fonts are taken from the user's computer when they view the page. Basically, he can't shake the distinctions between print design and web design. What I need is a site that shows the different fonts that are recommended for web design. It would be nice if there were some kind of PDF I can print, but I can also go to his office and show him online if need be. Does such a chart exist? Thanks. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] liquid 2-3 column layout
martin I believe you mean To steal ideas from one person is plagiarism to steal from many is research :-) In practical terms this means don't just copy sitepoints (or anyone else's) code directly because this is neither ethical or legal and you wont learn how to do it properly Instead find other sites that achieve the same effect, compare and contrast, and cobble together the ideal solution for your needs -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Martin Baylis wrote: Take a look at http://www.sitepoint.com/article/how-to-hire-a-web-designer All of the inside pages have the hide nav style design I think your talking about. good designers copy, great designers steal M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Focas, Grant Sent: Wednesday, 4 May 2005 2:46 p.m. To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] liquid 2-3 column layout Hi, I'd like to make a site with the option of 2 or 3 columns. The Nav column (left)and content column (centre) would always be present. The news column on the right would be optional. ___ || | | || | | | Nav |Content | News | || | | || | | ---| Does anyone on the list know of a way to make the Content fill the whole space of content and nav when nav is not present? Grant Focas ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] [Possibly OT] Conundrum between attribution VS disclosure for results of work
Hi I am in a conundrum at the moment and dont know which right is legally stronger out of attribution VS disclosure attribution = the right to be identified as the creator of material (ie: my right) disclosure = the right to determine if and when material is made public (right of the companies I've subcontracted for) Background: I do a lot of sub-contractual work, mainly using web standards eg: converting invalid code to standards compliant code, advising developers how to improve their practices, working from a photoshop template to create an XHTML/CSS template etc My problem is when I am being interviewed for a new contract postion, interviewers ask for concrete examples this very second of which websites I've worked on recently through my sub-contracting work. They say eg: Anyone can say they worked for ExampleCorp GenericITagency, we want specific URL's of your work to see what you can do So far I've stonewalled and said they're free to call ExampleCorp GenericITagency to confirm I've done work for them, but Im not sure im legally allowed to reveal specific URL's. They respond saying other interviewees are willing to reveal details so I should too, and I end up disadvantaged :-( Ironically I wouldnt be surprised if these same companies looking for contractors make their staff sign NDA's prohibiting them from mentioning what they have done to a new employer! Since this is Possibly OT, I'd appreciate any responses (with emphasis on Australian experience) to be sent directly to my email address and therefore not offend the moderators thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Adjunct to Richard Czeiger's Sydney WSG presentation
A good adjunct to Richard Czeiger's Sydney WSG presentation a few hours ago (which was quite good) is the article : Ten good practices for writing JavaScript in 2005 http://www.bobbyvandersluis.com/articles/goodpractices.php -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Multimedia Victoria (Australia) website
The root of the problem Luke is they're using a pretty poor CMS eg: the first few lines of each page are: !-- This line (a comment) is used to throw IE into quirks mode which allows the komodo admin menu to float. This comment MUST reside above the document type declaration! -- !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/loose.dtd; !-- ++ | Komodo CMS Pty Ltd 2002. | ++ | Developed By: Komodo CMS Pty Ltd | || | Address: 113 Ferrars Street | | Southbank | | Victoria 3006 | | Australia | || | Telephone: +61 3 9696 9597| | Facsimile: +61 3 9690 0092| || | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | WWW: http://www.komodocms.com | || ++ -- -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Luke Moulton wrote: It's been a while since I've posted to the group, but I just couldn't help voicing my disappointment in regards to the new Multimedia Victoria (Australia) website http://www.mmv.vic.gov.au/ I can't believe a State Government site dedicated to the advancement of the ICT industry in Victoria could be so inaccessible. Luke Moulton GO4 Multimedia http://www.go4.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web calendar
Most blogs that use wordpress before 1.5 have a pretty good web standards calender in the navbar by default. eg: http://www.accessibility1st.com.au/ this would be a good place to start -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Erwin Heiser wrote: Hi all, I'm currently working on a standards-based redesign of a local schools website and I would like to add some kind of calendar to it. Their current one is just a massive (ugly) table, coded in Frontpage tag-soup (116kb of code no less!): http://schoolweb.gemeenschapsonderwijs.be/kh/antwerpen/dans/jaarplan.htm What I'm looking for is a web calendar that supports CSS and outputs clean/valid (X)HTML, is easy to use and to update. PHP/MySQL allowed but it might even be better if it can run without any client-side scripting. Oh yeah and I have to be able to see the whole year, not just one month... Any and all suggestions welcome ;-) Thanks, Erwin Heiser ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] new mycareer.com.au design
Peter Just curious to know what the many lines of CDATA code achieve and the reason for putting them inline? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Peter Ottery wrote: very proud to say the new mycareer site launched today: http://mycareer.com.au/ its the next major site from the Fairfax Digital network to take on css layout as part of a redesign. the site gets hundreds of thousands of visitors a month and is one of australias largest job ad websites. check it out, be good to hear any feedback/ideas for further improvement. as always with a large scale commercial project there are comprimises made in some areas, but for the most part i'm pretty darn happy with the design. css was a huge part of the redesign (which also overhauled some of the information architecture). all the developers were keen on the benefits and the business people love the agility of the design and the speed. cheers, pete ottery ps: i'm no longer at fairfax digital but designing the site was the last major project i did before leaving. rest assured i'll pass on any feedback to them :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Web Essentials 2005 ?
This time last year you couldnt pop your head out the door without John Allsopp trying to sell you tickets to Web Essentials 2004 :-) So far in 2005 I havent heard anything about tickets for Web Essentials 2005 being sold but according to http://molly.com/events.php its already being planned, the dates are clear and some of the people attending are certain as well? The following proof is an excerpt from Molly E. Holzschlag's events diary WE05 - Web Essentials 2005 Sydney, Australia - September 29 - 30 Sessions TBA Speakers will include Eric Meyer, Tantek Çelik, and others [including the aforementioned Molly] -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] netscape devedge temporary mirror
FYI for people who used to use the now defunct Netscape DevEdge site, mozilla.org is now in charge of the content and has temporarily mirrored it at http://devedge-temp.mozilla.org/index_en.html while figuring how to best organise it -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] FYI New WSG jobs section
Moderators I take it that the appearance of http://webstandardsgroup.org/resources/jobs.cfm means that list members can post webstandards postions they know about there? Would this extend to the reverse eg: allowing people who are available for contracts/jobs to list themselves? Or do people looking for work have to stick to more subtle methods like Lea de Groot's signature Lea ~ looking for a permanent position in Brisbane. Got anything? which prompted me to do the same thing :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] stopping float covering other content when container too small
Hi Any ideas how to stop a floated google ad from covering content when the container div its in has too short a height ? eg: the 2nd post at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ whose summary is shorter than the height of the ad, causing the ad to cover part of the older post below thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Skip Navigation Visibility - Site Map Link
Mike Did he make any suggestions asto the features a well designed site map should have? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Mike Pepper wrote: I've mentioned this before, but at an awards bash I attended the (blind) compere mentioned above and beyond all considerations of accessibility is the inclusion of a link to the site map page. Many AT (assistive technology) users have a devil of a job deciphering site content relevance, especially when arriving new to a site from a search engine. A (well designed) site map helps enormously. Cheers, Mike ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] what is quirks mode?
Google * cough * http://www.google.com.au/search?q=quirks+mode leads to results like: http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Kvnmcwebn wrote: Where can i learn more about quirks mode? -Kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize - resizable font size
Hi all Im doing a bit of pro bono work at the moment and not having ever used fixed font sizes, was wondering if there are any percentage or em equivalents or formulas to convert from: FONT-SIZE: 11px; FONT-SIZE: 22px; FONT-SIZE: 10px; FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-SIZE: 16px; etc to more accessible font size units -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Fixed pixel fontsize - resizable font size
Alex and kemie I tip my hat to you, your advice worked perfectly :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Alex James wrote: Neerav wrote: was wondering if there are any percentage or em equivalents or formulas to convert from: FONT-SIZE: 11px, 22px, 10px, 14px and 16px. To go from pixels to em's, simply divide by 16. HTH aj ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Actual Page Dimensions
http://www.chunkysoup.net/advanced/bugged/ http://www.evolt.org/article/Design_to_realistic_window_sizes/22/3359/ http://tobyinkster.co.uk/browser-sizes -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://bookcrossing.com/referral/neerav Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, Is there an article of chart outlining subtractions from design dimensions for browser chrome and optional bars. My current design is 800x600. Intuition begs some appearance of a horizontal and/or vertical scroll bar on some UA. I'm aware these will appear in Browser Cam, but was hoping for a preventative approach. I've goggled, perhaps asking the wrong question. Would some knowledgeable colleague assist? CK ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] [THREAD CLOSED] Last call for Bill Bryson's Down under bookray
embarrassedapologies, obviously the wrong mailing list/embarrassed slinks away.. Lea de Groot wrote: On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 21:45:40 +1000, Neerav wrote: Im about to release Bill Bryson's book Down Under to Kirst040 at tomorrow's Sydney meetup, if anyone wants to be added to the ray before it leaves please email/PM me Ummm... if you were to say that in English, how would it sound? ;) Lea ~ looking for a permanent position in Brisbane. Got anything? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Handheld CSS example
http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=HandheldStylesheets http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg05976.html http://www.mail-archive.com/wsg@webstandardsgroup.org/msg08279.html http://www.alistapart.com/articles/pocket/ http://my.opera.com/community/dev/device/css-media/ That'll keep you busy :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Mark Gillingham wrote: I have a site with a horizontal list-based menu before and a vertical list-based menu after the main content. CSS is used to place the second list in a left navbar. For my handheld, I have just let the content flow as is. Can I do better? For instance, can I make the first list look horizontal on most handhelds? If you know of best-practice handheld CSS examples, please point me to them. Thanks. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] I18n - Traditional Simplified Chinese in an English web site
Lachlan If using windows make sure you've gone to: Control Panel -Regional Options, and made sure the boxes for Traditional Chinese Simplified Chinese are ticked After all the people reading your site in those languages will have Traditional Chinese Simplified Chinese fonts installed, you cant see what they see without doing the same thing -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Lachlan Hardy wrote: Juergen Auer wrote: try to save the html-file as UTF-8 and use the chinese letters directly. And add meta http-equiv=content-type content=text/html; charset=utf-8 / Your solution can't work if the page is saved as Ascii / 256 Bit. Sorry, should have mentioned that. Yes, the page is UTF-8 (by both server settings and meta element). That still doesn't help me. The Chinese characters only display correctly in IE when I specify the correct language Dejan Kozina wrote: a href=# lang=en hreflang=zh-Hans title=Most pages... img src=# lang=zh-Hans alt=... title=... /a with the image saying something like Chinese version. Yep, the image does indicate the version. Good idea on the HREFLANG. Haven't used that previously, I'll have to investigate Now, if your design allows for a little padding of the a you'd have the English title shortly displayed before the mouse hovers on the image, so those without a proper font can roll back their mouse to the link when their browser fails to display the alt text. Unfortunately, these links are in a small sidebar. Not a lot of room for spare padding - okay, none. I had to shrink the images a tad to get them in there in the first place. Cool idea though, I might have to see if I can work it in somehow if I can't get a better solution Thanks for your suggestions, guys. Anyone else want to share? Cheers, Lachlan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Someone who *wants* the peekaboo bug
How about trying the same resolution so the rendering is the same? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Need a Sydney based web standards contractor? You need my services. Recent projects for Glassonion, Freshweb, Cogentis, Ceneka ... http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav John Horner wrote: A colleague is developing a table-free design, and has run up against the peekaboo bug in IE6. (If you don't know it, it's basically that text disappears in certain circumstances, see http://positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html). His problem is not diagnosing the bug or even fixing it, it's that it's not happening on *his* computer, so he has to keep asking for help from someone whose setup does have the bug. I can verify that two Windows 2000 computers are involved, with exactly the same version of IE6, down to the tenth decimal place, and one always displays this bug and one never displays this bug. Any ideas? Could it be CRT versus LCD monitors? The fact that one person is logged in as administrator and the other as a lowly user? Melbourne vs Sydney? Zodiac signs? We're scratching our heads... Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Taming Your Multiple IE Standalones
Multiple versions of Explorer for Windows on a single computer have revolutionized CSS bug testing for websites, but sadly the different IE browser windows appear identical to the eye, potentially leading to confusion and testing mistakes. Also, Microsofts proprietary Conditional Comments dont operate properly on these standalones, making advanced usage of CCs a guessing game. These problems have now been resolved in a positioniseverything article I've linked to at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2005/04/07/taming-your-multiple-ie-standalones/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Opinions about contact form please
Any opinions about my contact form at http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php are appreciated AFAIK it displays fine in all browsers and even with css off -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site review
Looks nice, wish I could afford it :-) The only 2 small problems I see are caused by the standard text size being too small, so I choose medium size text (in Firefox 1.0 Win 2000 1024x768) and: 1. Making your African Dreams a Reality! is overlapped by Lodges Hotels 2. Terms Conditions and Office Information overlap each other -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jacobus van Niekerk wrote: Hi all, We have recently launched http://www.getawayafrica.com/, your comments are welcome. But would like to know more about if you have any problems with the site. Just a note, the client is still inputting content. Kind Regards Jacobus van Niekerk Creative Consultant web: http://www.catics.com/ | http://www.freelancecontractors.com tel: + 27 21 982 7805 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please
Thanks Scott Its probably a symptom of the Sample Site and Sample Article being randomly selected from a number of different choices, each of which have different character lengths! Therefore I've increased the footers top padding a bit, and reduced the length of some of the longer Sample Site and Sample Article to make the display error much less likely to occur Neerav Scott Swabey (Lafinboy Productions) wrote: On Firefox 1.0.2, WinXP, 1024x768 the sample article divs push the footer div down at normal font size. 2 sizes down and alignment is good but readability is gone. Regards Scott Swabey General Manager Lafinboy Productions :: website design :: website development :: graphic design e [EMAIL PROTECTED] t +61 (0)415 193 126 w www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Neerav Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2005 4:40 PM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] Opinions about contact form please Any opinions about my contact form at http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php are appreciated AFAIK it displays fine in all browsers and even with css off ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Really strange results
John People use that method to try and stop people copying source code. Unfortunately there really is no reliable way of doing so because: 1. the page is usually cached by the browser and you can get the source code from there 2. browsers can be set to disable javascript to get around these kinds of right-click disabling scripts Basically, since HTML is interpreted by user agents (browsers etc) and not compiled, its next to impossible to stop people copying content/code -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav John Horner wrote: the page: http://www.deafvision.net/projects/btw/revised/indexx.html. Can I raise a quick issue -- I noticed when I went to that page and right-clicked on it... a JavaScript alert came up to say that the page was copyright, and, as far as I could tell, stopped me from doing view source via the context menu -- what's the reason for that? Have You Validated Your Code? John Horner(+612 / 02) 9333 3488 Senior Developer, ABC Online http://www.abc.net.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Information Architecture and relevence to Web Standards Development
A few days I came across the term Information Architecture in the context of a web development position listed on a recruitment companys website advertising for: An Information architect with : Strong HTML/DHTML/XHTML/CSS/Javascript skills, Dreamweaver/MX knowledge an understanding of W3C Accessibility Standard I had no idea what this meant so I thought id do a little research, the results of which are published at: http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2005/03/31/demystifying-the-term-information-architecture/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Creating CSS/XHTML layouts from Use Cases ?
I was recently asked by a recruiter: Do you have experience with creating CSS/XHTML layouts from Use Cases? I havent heard of any company who does use this method so if anyone on the list does use it, I'd appreciate knowing how it is applied and what benefits there are thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS in HTML Emails
Richard http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/04/12/index4a.html and http://www.htmldog.com/ptg/archives/55.php are useful articles about mobile phone browsers a useful post to the WSG from a while back by Kenneth Feldman is quoted below: -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav I use the following technique, which works in every e-mail client that I have tried. Have I tested every single one of them? No, of course not. But Hotmail and Gmail I have tried and this technique works well for those two as well as most e-mail clients. The trick is to use NO part of the webpage above and including the BODY tag. Hotmail and other web-based readers strip everything above the BODY tag, so you lose all of that. Take a look at my below example. (It's a bit wide in a browser, but in an e-mail client window it's fine. Just narrow your browser window a bit.) Look at the source to see the Trick: http://www.nlgjany.org/e_mail_announce/ The trick is to put the whole page in 2 Wrapper elements, and then put the CSS styles just inside the first Wrapper. No HTML tag. No BODY tag. NOTE 1: Hotmail and Gmail both don't display perfectly; Hotmail doesn't get floats correct sometimes, and Gmail doesn't display images by default - you have to turn that on in each mail. NOTE 2: That said, this mail technique will degrade nicely (as all XHTML/CSS should) in mail clients that are set to Not Display Complex HTML, or Not Display Images, or Not Allow Internet Access When Displaying Complex HTML. At worst, the reader should display simple HTML, showing Headers, Paragraphs and Lists, etc. Hope this helps! Regards, Kenneth Feldman -- KPFdigital.com Web Design Hosting Made Easy Tel: 917-553-5582 http://www.KPFdigital.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Rounded corner and IE Win help needed
more details www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/extensions/nsextensions.htm http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/column70/ -moz-border-radius, -moz-border-radius-topleft, -moz-border-radius-topright, -moz-border-radius-bottomleft, -moz-border-radius-bottomright Support: Netscape 7+, Mozilla 0.95+ Inherited: No Allowed Values: - Inherit: Use the value of this property from the parent element. - [Length]: Specifies a length and unit of the border/corner radius. - [Percentage]: Specifies a percentage. Not sure of what the percentage relates to. Purpose: This property controls the curve radius of borders at the corners, allowing corners to be rounded (otherwise, borders are usually squared off.) The '-moz-border-radius' property is a shorthand method for controlling this effect for each corner. If one value is specified, it applies to all corners. If only two values exist, the first applies to the top-left and bottom-right, while the second value applies to the top-right and bottom-left. If all four values are specified, they control, in order: [top-left] [top-right] [bottom-right] [bottom-left] -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Sigurd Magnusson wrote: Alternatively, fast forward to the the future, and use border-bottom-right-radius :P http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-css3-background-20050216/#the-border-radius Someone here mentioned that this is already implemented in FireFox with a different name. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Who's putting javascript in my code?
These 2 links will explain http://forums.devshed.com/archive/t-56231/postamble-lt http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum21/9227.htm -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Carol Doersom wrote: This line of js appears in the head of my site's pages: script language='javascript' src='http://127.0.0.1:1027/js.cgi?pcar=28253'/script and this following the /html: script language='javascript'postamble();/script I didn't put them there. They're generating 4 warnings in Tidy and keeping my html from validating. They're also appearing in the source of every web page I look at--even at this list's site--though they don't always result in exactly the same warnings. What I did put in my html is: script type=text/javascript src=script.js/script. And I have all my javascript in that file. Where are those other 2 lines coming from...and what do they do? tia, Carol ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Accessible HTML Tables article
I've just written an article about Accessible HTML Tables and would appreciate any comments/suggestions for changes: excerpt from http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2005/03/24/accessible-html-tables/ table elements are often maligned by the web standards savvy developer who equates them to the bad old days of table based layout. This has the unintended consequence that such a developer won't know how to best use a table for its proper purpose of displaying data. This article aims to fix this problem by going through the elements and attributes which can help make a data table more accessible, render faster, and make it easier to interpret. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Around We Go
Why not investigate -moz-border-radius eg: -moz-border-radius-topleft: 15px; -moz-border-radius-topright: 15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft: 15px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright: 15px; Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Chris Kennon wrote: This example of rounded corners (http://kalsey.com/2003/07/rounded_corners_in_css/), is elegant and efficient, but 2 years old. I've googled til blurry eyed, but have only found contemporary examples with 8 nested divs and other nightmares. Would someone guide me to a standards based solution without all the gif wrapping? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web standards training course/events in Sydney?
What about http://2005.sxsw.com/interactive/ ? suggestive coughits 1/2 the price WE04 was! /suggestive cough Established in 1994, the SXSW Interactive Festival consists of four days of panel programming, a Trade Show Exhibition, plus a full schedule of exciting evening activities. This is a unique event where top-notch developers, cutting-edge designers and out-of-the-box thinkers share their inspirations about the future of the web. While we cover the how of new technology, SXSW Interactive pays particular attention to discussing the larger questions such as why did this happen and what are the long-term implications of this innovation. Neerav www.bhatt.id.au Leslie Riggs wrote: I'm wishing we could have something like that in my neck of the woods... Leslie in NE Wisconsin, midwestern USA Web Essentials will definitely be on again. Russ, Peter Maxine and I are working hard to put together an even better event this year. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check before lauch
Dennis The images below the Contact Us link need either: 1. border=0 added to each link or 2. add border: 0; to the css for the imageright class Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Dennis Murphy Anderson wrote: My client has given me a green light to launch his redesigned site, but I'd appreciate a check from folks on different browsers and platforms. CSS and XHTML validate ... my first valid 'tableless' site ... so be kind. http://www.newdepartures.com/newdepart/index.html Thanks! Dennis Murphy Anderson design marketing advertising http://dma.shorturl.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Unicode-bidi and direction
Some searching revealed these: http://www.htmlref.com/reference/appb/css_unicode-bidi.htm states support is: CSS2 IE 5, 5.5, 6 Nav 6, 7 No Opera support http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/intl/unibidi.htm http://www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/intl/direction.htm http://www.htmldog.com/reference/cssproperties/unicode-bidi/ Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Maxine Sherrin wrote: Just wondering: does anyone here have any experience with these two properties? I've got a handle from the specs how you actually use them, but, are they in fact supported in any browsers such as Opera, Firefox or Safari (or any others of course, but I'm kind of assuming that with IE the answer is no. Thx Maxine http://westciv.typepad.com/standards/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Leading accessibility/usability companies in Sydney/NSW?
Hi I'd appreciate it if anyone on the list who has worked with leading accessibility/usability companies in Sydney/NSW could email me contact details for these companies off-list thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] NZ Photo gallery test please
Hi could a few people have a quick look at my newly constructed New Zealand photo gallery to make sure there aren't any obvious display errors that would scare off viewers/potential customers? http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/NewZealand/ I've already checked it with the W3C validators, Firefox 1.0, IE6 SP1, IE 5.5 and Opera 7.52 FYI It's a heavily hacked version of http://singapore.sourceforge.net/ thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] browser snapshot services?
thats true Jason I've always wondered how people who use Browsercam can see errors which are below the browsercam shot (ie: scrolling downwards) and test interactive elements like flyout menus Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jason Foss wrote: I might be wandering off-topic here - but while browsercam is good, it's costing us $55 to $60 per month (depending on exchange rates). Linux is free, and now Mac Minis can be had for $800. In just over 12 months it's paid for itself. (And I have an excuse to get a new toy) Plus the issue with just using a screenshot service is you can't text behaviours like flyout menus and the like. It might *look* okay, but you can't see how it *works*... On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:14:32 -0500, Andrew famiano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Browsercam, it works really good http://browsercam.com/ On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 08:53:30 -0800, Chris W. Parker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justin Thorp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 7:56 AM said: In my office we are currently using a browser snapshot service to take a look at what a web site in a variety of older browsers and computer configurations. It is very convenient because in about 5 minutes I can get a good feel for what a web site looks like in just about every configuration of browser. Which one is it that you are currently using? Chris. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] thanks to whoever winged me :-)
Im guessing it must have been one of the aussie bookcrossers so thanks to whoever winged me yesterday :-) Here are some sydney stats while I have access to them: I think its interesting that the average age of the top 50 sydney bookcrossers is 34.7, and for the top 50 Aussies its 37.8 Sorted by Books NameAge Books Released servalan5 863 180 BookFrog32 535 398 Pixette 40 452 190 Littlemave 39 385 421 Funkybamboozle 27 360 76 jackiea 60 338 43 jebz25 330 155 markmcg 46 296 312 fushmush27 296 140 Girltiger 99 277 253 awaywithfairies 275 306 kirst04029 268 45 goodthinkingmax 38 266 27 charmedwitch23 26 221 90 augustusgloop 188 95 tqd 35 186 156 Fleebo 32 174 85 M-girl 41 160 129 catsalive 38 147 100 Morganmouse 37 126 2 neerav 22 122 59 Sorted by Releases NameAge Books Released Littlemave 39 385 421 BookFrog32 535 398 markmcg 46 296 312 awaywithfairies 275 306 Girltiger 99 277 253 Pixette 40 452 190 servalan5 863 180 tqd 35 186 156 jebz25 330 155 fushmush27 296 140 M-girl 41 160 129 catsalive 38 147 100 augustusgloop 188 95 charmedwitch23 26 221 90 Fleebo 32 174 85 Funkybamboozle 27 360 76 neerav 22 122 59 kirst04029 268 45 jackiea 60 338 43 goodthinkingmax 38 266 27 Morganmouse 37 126 2 -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] thanks to whoever winged me :-)
sorry, obviously posted to the wrong list! Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Neerav wrote: Im guessing it must have been one of the aussie bookcrossers so thanks to whoever winged me yesterday :-) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] NZ Photo gallery test please
Hi could a few people have a quick look at my newly constructed New Zealand photo gallery to make sure there aren't any obvious display errors? I've already checked it with the W3C validators, Firefox 1.0, IE6 SP1, IE 5.5 and Opera 7.52 FYI It's a heavily hacked version of http://singapore.sourceforge.net/ thanks -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] ECMAScript collapsible Menu System
There has been lots written about separating content from presentation, and most developers see the benefit of this approach (cleaner, leaner markup; faster download speeds; easier maintainability, etc). There is also a fair amount written about separating behaviour from both content and presentation, but it tends to be practiced less than separation of content from presentation. HTML (or even XHTML) should be used for content , CSS for presentation, and ECMAScript for behaviour. All the time JavaScript was a Netscape proprietary technology, its use could not be endorsed by the W3C. In the middle of 1998, the European Computer Manufacturers Association (ECMA) created a public domain specification based on JavaScript, but using a standardised Document Object Model. The third edition of the ECMAScript Language Specification was published in December 1999; Standard ECMA-262. To illustrate using a completely separate behavioural layer, I'll demonstrate a collapsible menu system. All of the examples are HTML, but work equally well as XHTML, even when served with the correct MIME type. read on at http://juicystudio.com/ecmascriptmenu.asp -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] ECMAScript collapsible Menu System
David Perhaps you misunderstood, I just read this article and posted an excerpt + link. The congrats and/or brickbats should go to Gez Lemon of juicystudio.com :-) Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav David R wrote: Neerav wrote: read on at http://juicystudio.com/ecmascriptmenu.asp Looking good. However just being the nit-pick I am, might I suggest you enclose the list headers in h2 tags? ...And I'm not enirely sure about the click opens, another closes the same system, compared to open another and the previous one closes -- -David R ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Roundbox
Have you tried http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/ ? Not sure if it can do inner shadows, but its worth trying Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Lori Leach wrote: I have a design that am coding, and I need to make a css rounded corner box with shadows INSIDE: The box needs to look like: http://www.zenfulcreations.com/client-files/do/lit/shadow.gif I have tried about ten different css rounded box options to get it to work, and it is just NOT working! It needs to be fluid width, and exactly as it appears in the graphic. Has anyone ever seen a rounded corner box with INNER shadow anywhere online so that I may take a gander at how they did it?? Thanks for any help! Lori Leach ZenfulCreations http://www.zenfulcreations.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Images in Nav, Splash Screens.
Use Andy King's article at http://www.websiteoptimization.com/speed/tweak/splash/ he definitely isnt old school In the end however, they may ignore you. Thats their choice. As long as you've stated your objections in documentation they can't blame you later when the problems you predict appear Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Matt wrote: Hi Everyone, I am setting up a sports website for a client, where all of the content is in Article format which rotates regularly - essentially a news type site. I am determined to build the site in valid XHTML/CSS. I am debating with their designers about 2 things: 1. They want to use a full page graphic Splash Screen, which displays the brand in all its glory before the user can enter the site. 2. They want to use images in the Navigation bar to give tight control over the fonts, instead of text. I do not want to use a splash screen, because it will just get in the way, and could turn viewers away. I do not want to use images in the navigation, not only for usability / accessibility / SEO reasons, but because the site is dynamic and I want the Nav to be dynamically driven. I just wondered if any of you know of any websites which show solid convincing arguments against these things, so that I can prove my point. At this stage the accessibility argument isn't cutting it (enough)!... I can show them some stuff from Jacob Nielsen, but I found that they essentially scoff at his comments claiming that he is too 'old school'... Also, if anyone can assist with my message from yesterday (Nov 30) subject Help with a layout I'd be very grateful : ) Thanks in advance, Matt ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] How exactly does IE fall short and where do I find standards-compatibility charts?
BTW to add to Paul, I've found that Commonwealth Bank, ING Direct, and
Members Equity's netbank services all work fine in Firefox
Neerav
Paul Ross wrote:
That was the case but I use Firefox (and Safari) with no problems with
my bank here in Australia (Westpac)
Regards PAUL ROSS
SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au
Just to add on, I'd been using Firefox since 6 months ago and it's my
primary browser for everything except internet banking operations
('cos the banking sites are typically tailored for IE
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Re: [WSG] Fangs Screen Reader Emulator
thanks! its an interesting bit of software, though still in testing and not fully functional yet Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Joseph Lindsay wrote: I've just a cool firefox extension: Fangs: The Firefox Screen Reader Emulator at standards-schmandards. The developer has released it so the they can get feedback and suggestions. http://www.standards-schmandards.com/index.php?2004/11/22/8-fangs-release-05 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Sticky Drop Downs
Paul What you need is http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Paul Farrell wrote: Hello, I was wondering if someone could inform me or point me to a resource on how to make a navigation dropdown/popout menu 'sticky' as a user progress deeper. (Parent menu items stay in hover state). The particular menu that I am working on is here: http://www.paulfarrell.com.au/dev/index.php Any help would be greatly appreciated. Regards Paul Farrell ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] -moz-border-radius
Lindsay I note that you're using the proprietary -moz-border-radius to achieve a rounded look just like I decided to a month ago at www.bhatt.id.au after evaluating the various rounded corner methods and finding them to be a pain to implement I contend that while it does make the stylesheet invalid, it shouldnt cause parsing errors because its the last few lines of my CSS file, its use is harmless and is OK for personal sites. more details www.blooberry.com/indexdot/css/properties/extensions/nsextensions.htm http://www.webreference.com/dhtml/column70/ -moz-border-radius, -moz-border-radius-topleft, -moz-border-radius-topright, -moz-border-radius-bottomleft, -moz-border-radius-bottomright Support: Netscape 7+, Mozilla 0.95+ Inherited: No Allowed Values: - Inherit: Use the value of this property from the parent element. - [Length]: Specifies a length and unit of the border/corner radius. - [Percentage]: Specifies a percentage. Not sure of what the percentage relates to. Purpose: This property controls the curve radius of borders at the corners, allowing corners to be rounded (otherwise, borders are usually squared off.) The '-moz-border-radius' property is a shorthand method for controlling this effect for each corner. If one value is specified, it applies to all corners. If only two values exist, the first applies to the top-left and bottom-right, while the second value applies to the top-right and bottom-left. If all four values are specified, they control, in order: [top-left] [top-right] [bottom-right] [bottom-left] Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Lindsay Evans wrote: In order to stop Russ from hassling me about it every time I see him, I've thrown together a small demo/explanation of the latest greatest image replacement method (well, 'fancy heading method', really): http://lindsayevans.com/experiments/lindsaymethod_2/ I'm sure I'm not the first to use it, but I can't find much mention of it anywhere else, so I might as well get my name on it before Doug Bowman or someone does :p Feel free to point out all the flaws, spelling mistakes, ethically questionable uses of CSS, etc. Oh, and I launched my new design over the weekend: http://lindsayevans.com/ Yes, I am well aware of all of the validation errors, each weighs heavily upon my soul, but I wanted to get it live before I got bored with it started redesigning yet again. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Another body tag question ...
direction:ltr = direction of text is left - right as opposed to some
langauges which are right to left
http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_text_direction.asp
http://www.topxml.com/css/css_property_direction.asp
Neerav Bhatt
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Michael Kear wrote:
Another body style question following from Felix's rant ...
I looked at what Yahoo do in their style, (http://www.yahoo.com) and they
have the following as their body style:
body{font:84%/1.2em arial,sans-serif;direction:ltr}
What's the point of setting the body font at 84% of 1.2em? (which is what I
assume is what's happening). That's 100.8% if my arithmetic is correct, so
is there any point to this instead of setting it to 100%/1.0em?
What does the 'direction:ltr' part do?
Cheers
Mike Kear
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Re: [WSG] Site Check please
sure but the site is displaying the time in major cities round the world, not local time for the user eg: on my contact form http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php the PHP code has daylight savings logic in it, This is because I am in NSW (with daylight savings Nov-Mar), and my server is in Queensland (with no daylight savings Nov-Mar), and so I have to add a 1 hour offet to the server time between Nov-Mar to ensure it displays the correct time in Sydney Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Rick Faaberg wrote: On 11/10/04 1:44 AM Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: The time for Sydney is also one hour off, it says 07:40 PM when it should be 08:40PM looks like you need to add some backend logic to adjust dates for daylight savings PHP always uses server time AFAIK and there's no way to adjust for time zones since PHP cannot determine what time zone a client is in, at least in the research I did a couple of years ago. Javascript can use the client computer's clock time, but PHP cannot as it's a server-side language. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Circle menu
http://www.albin.net/CSS/roundedCorners/ could help Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jorge Laranjo wrote: Ok! but do you have an example in jpeg, gif or png format? can you make such an example and send it to us ? think about it! On Sat, 23 Oct 2004 17:17:52 +0300, Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: if I have example I would steal their code :-) On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:19:32 -0500, Leslie Riggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings Any idea how to create a circle menu that fit the whole screen with html/css only ?? Do you have an example? Perhaps a site that demonstrates what you're trying to do? Leslie Riggs ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- http://www.W3planet.info/ http://www.EasyHTTP.com/jad/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantic indentation
If its a quote like your example, use blockquote/blockquote Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Joshua Street wrote: What's the recommended practice with indentation? You can use CSS to indent text with padding and whatever else, but that's a pain if you have a sitewide CSS file, and the text to be indented doesn't sit in any defining container --- Example 1: Just the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried, As he landed his crew with care; Supporting each man on the top of the tide By a finger entwined in his hair. may be marked up as a single paragraph (as it corresponds to a single stanza of a poem -- in this case, the first stanza of Louis Carroll's The Hunting of the Snark, just for a random example.) as follows: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br / As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr / By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- As line break tags br / are self-closing elements, I don't *think* it is possible to style with them (e.g. to indent the relevant lines) -- and, even if it were, it would be an ugly solution (assuming I'm even thinking along the right lines, and that it would work at all): --- Example 2: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br class=indent / As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr class=indent / By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- Assuming the style would apply to the following, and not preceding, line. This example is untested, and would most likely not work at all. I'm just thinking out loud. One potential solution (albeit a hideous and bloated one) is simply to use repeated non-breaking space characters: --- Example 3: pJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried,br / nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;As he landed his crew with care;br / Supporting each man on the top of the tidebr / nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;By a finger entwined in his hair./p --- but that, of course, probably isn't the most desirable solution. In terms of light markup (but of dubious semantic appropriateness), I've seen definition lists employed to this end quite effectively: --- Example 4: dl ddJust the place for a Snark! the Bellman cried, dl ddAs he landed his crew with care;/dd /dl /dd ddSupporting each man on the top of the tide dl ddBy a finger entwined in his hair./dd /dl /dd /dl This renders without any problems in visual user agents without styling required, and is apparently valid XHTML -- but it seems dubious to me. It appears structurally better, at least to me (my eyes follow the markup flow more easily than the other examples above), but that doesn't deal with the issue of semantics. Is it okay to have untitled definitions? Is it okay to use definition lists like this at all? Or, better still, does someone have another solution which I've missed completely? Thanks in advance, Joshua Street base10solutions Website: http://www.base10solutions.com/ Phone: (02) 9898-0060 Fax: (02) 8572-6021 Mobile: 0425 808 469 E-mails and any attachments sent from base10solutions are to be regarded as confidential. Please do not distribute or publish any of the contents of this e-mail without the senders consent. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail, and then delete the message without making copies or using it in any way. Although base10solutions takes precautions to ensure that e-mail sent from our accounts are free of viruses, we encourage recipients to undertake their own virus scan on each e-mail before opening, as base10solutions accepts no responsibility for loss or damage caused by the contents of this e-mail. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Suckerfish owning li ul tags
Paul Have a look at http://www.noltec.com.au/style.css, because all the son of suckerfish css is explicitly inside the #navmenu DIV the code has no effect on other lists within the same page Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Paul Ross wrote: Hello folks, I've used the infamous Suckerfish dropdown menu on a couple of sites and have come across one glaring issue. The suckerfish CSS owns the ul and li tags so you can't style them anywhere else on the page. Anyone else had the same problem and what is the best solution? I haven't tried son of suckerfish yet - maybe that has the same issue?? Regards - PAUL SkyRocket Design Co http://www.skyrocket.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 256 colours or the whole enchilada?
http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=andformat=shortconfig=wsg_webstandardsgroup_orgrestrict=exclude=words=Web+safe+colours+-+still+relevent will answer our question Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Andreas Boehmer wrote: Out of curiosity: what's your stand to the 216 web colours? Do you stick with them or do you go the full 16 bits? I personally have stopped limiting myself a long time ago (unless absolutely necessary), but keep coming across articles warning me from doing so. What's your thoughts? Andreas Boehmer User Experience Consultant Phone: (03) 9417 0468 Mobile: (0411) 097 038 http://www.addictiveMedia.com.au Consulting | Accessibility | Usability | Development ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations
Thats interesting, personally I like to be specific about the charset eg: Chinese Traditional Taiwan, Hong Kong meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=big5 / Chinese Simplified China mainland, Singapore and Malaysia meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=gb2312 / Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Francesco wrote: The Absolute Minimum Every Software Developer Absolutely, Positively Must Know About Unicode and Character Sets (No Excuses!) - http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html I read this entire article, then changed the first meta tag on a test page to be: meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; charset=UTF-8 / then I went to the Chinese translation of Joel's page and cut and pasted some Chinese characters into my html page, saved it, and loaded it in IE expecting to see Chinese side by side to my English text. Nope. Still gibberish. What did I do wrong? Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Foreign Translations
Jason I developed http://www.anigane.info/en/ http://www.anigane.info/zh-tw/ earlier this year, looking at them might help you What I found worked best was translating the parts of the site which were repeated eg: navigation, contact info in the footer once and using them as a template for all pages to save retranslating the same info over and over for each page Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jason Foss wrote: Greetings! I have a client who wants part of their website translated into a few other languages, some of them Asian (Chinese Korean are a couple). I have obtained a couple of quotes from translation agencies to actually do the translations, but does anyone have experience with actually implementing this sort of thing in a website? The easy way is to make an image out of the translation and pop that there - but I don't want to do that for obvious reasons!!! I'm reading a bit about character sets and encoding, but it's all a bit abstract at this point. Any experiences or how-to references would be much appreciated! Ta Jason ** Jason Foss Almost Anything Desktop Publishing www.almost-anything.com.au Telephone: (07) 4927 8033 Facsimile: (07) 4927 5312 Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9 Unmack Street, North Rockhampton, Queensland 4701 We can do almost anything! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Solving Common CSS problems
The following Web Standards Articles are written by some of the best designers/coders in the business and are sure to help all web designers whether new to CSS/XHTML or quite experienced with problems commonly faced when using CSS: (Links are at http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2004/10/18/solving-common-css-problems/ to avoid cluttering the post with them) 1. Bullet-Proof Rounded Corners - great for those times when a designer hands you a design mockup with lots of rounded corners 2. Son of Suckerfish- the best dropdown/flyout CSS menu in existence 3. Sliding Doors - the best tabbed navigation lists 4. Writing Efficient CSS - using CSS isnt much good if you dont use it properly, so read this article which will help you write quality CSS 5. Two Column Layouts - A repository of 2 column CSS layouts that anyone can reuse 6. Three Column Layouts - A repository of 3 column CSS layouts that anyone can reuse 7. Max Design CSS - the world famous Listutorial, Floatutorial, and Selectutorial articles provide great advice for using Lists, Floats and CSS Selectors respectively 8. These articles will give you insight into problems like forcing DIVs to be all the same height, getting a footer to span underneath several columns and other height/width DIV difficulties 1. Faux columns 2. Any Column Longest 3. 3 Columns with spanning footer 4. min-height: fixed 9. Top tips to validate XHTML - of course theyre top XHTML tips, because I wrote them :-) -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Form option selected is posible?
Diego You may find that using OPTGROUP eg: optgroup label=Option name is better still as: The optgroup tag groups options in a select box. It requires a label attribute, the value of which is displayed as a non-selectable pseudo-heading preceding that group in the drop-down list of visual browsers - http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmladvanced/forms/ Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Diego Diaz wrote: Thanks Bert and Natalie :) Bert wrote: G'day I try validate option selected but the validator says: the name and VI delimiter can be omitted from an attribute specification only if SHORTTAG YES is specified This form is posible to validate ? http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/#h-4.5 XML does not support attribute minimization. Attribute-value pairs must be written in full. Attribute names such as compact and checked cannot occur in elements without their value being specified. To fix the problem, change your option as follows: option selected=selectedOption name/option Regards -- Bert Doorn, Web Developer Better Web Design www.bwdzine.com Fast-loading, user-friendly websites ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print styles for IE - Document too wide
I guess you've already set cellspacing, cellpadding, margin, padding etc to 0? Considering each column has a minimum of 1 character+padding+margins I cant see any possibility of all 80 columns fitting on 1 A4 page Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Mark Stanton wrote: Sorry again... every column is as skinny as it can get. I've got about 80 columns in the table :( ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] CSS Validation query
Jackie http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=c2coff=1q=css+generic+font+familybtnG=Search lead to http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/css/font/font-family.html Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jackie Reid wrote: Hi everyone im a bit confused here - trying to validate my css and i get this warning Line : 0 font-family: You are encouraged to offer a generic family as a last alternative what do they mean... i always do that and get the no errors or warnings reply... whats going on.. ? Jackie www.jobfitsystem.com/about.asp www.jobfitsystem.com/styles/jobfit2.css ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Print styles for IE - Document too wide
Mark These ideas may already have been considered but here they are anyway... 1. set unneeded items on the page to display:none eg: menus taking up horizontal space 2. give the table an id and in the print css set that id as width: 100% Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Mark Stanton wrote: Hi All I've got an odd case of an intranet page that generates a very wide report (table). This page is generally printed rather than being viewed on screen. The table is slowly growing width wise as more data is added - it is now so wide that even when printed in landscape the table gets cut off at 3/4 of the width. What I am hoping for is some way to get the printer to break the page up both vertically and horizontally - in the way the excel does, but for some reason this doesn't happen, it just prints pages 1-5 vertically and whatever runs horizontally off the page just gets lost. Does anyone have any ideas no how to fix this issue? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] AEC site web standards compliant
I was just monitoring early results from the Australian federal election at http://vtr.aec.gov.au/ and noticed this note at the bottom of screen: This site is compliant with the web standards HTML 4.01, CSS2 and WCAG 1.0 for increased accessibility. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] anchors within a page
sure an id for body is valid. it can be used in several ways eg http://www.hicksdesign.co.uk/journal/271/highlighting-current-page-with-css Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav john wrote: An ID in the body? Now, why didn't I think of that? :) Is that valid? I'll try it! Thanks! ~john _ Dr. Zeus Web Development http://www.DrZeus.net content without clutter Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Two ideas spring to mind: - wrap the entire page content in a div with a specific ID, and change the link to point to that body div id=top a href='#top ... /div /body - taking it one step further (and admittedly a bit crazy, but seems to work fine in FF, IE and Opera from my really quick testing) add an ID to the body element itself and link to that body id=top ... a href=#top ,,, /body Patrick john wrote: Hello, group. I want to put a top of page link in the footer of one of my sites, so instead of using the a name= tag, I a href= to one of my ID's. The problem is, I've used z-index in the CSS so that the header and nav stay put when scrolling...but it doesn't work in IE. The result is that, in IE, when you hit the to the top link, it doesn't take you all the to the top of the page (where you can see the header and nav). What I need is better solution. It's probably very obvious and I just can't formulate it at the moment. Any suggestions? You can see an example at http://www.drzeus.net/redesign/cslewis/faq/ Thanks! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] WordPress 1.2.1 released
http://wordpress.org/development/2004/10/wp-121/ Now I have to go and upgrade all my installations :-( -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Government warned on Web site discrimination
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php?id=973165449eid=-180 Excerpt: The man who sued SOCOG over Web site accessibility has warned that rising complaints against government Web sites' use of PDF documents are being made under commonwealth law. Bruce Maguire, the disabled rights advocate who sued the Sydney Organising Committee for the Olympic Games for providing a site inaccessible to blind people, said the government's trend towards online PDF documents was attracting a growing number of DDA [Disability Discrimination Act] complaints. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
Richard
See how I display the pipes on the horizontal menu at www.bhatt.id.au
using css borders.
the list itself has a border-left, and all list items have a border-right
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Richard Czeiger wrote:
Sure but this only works on, like, two browsers!
Is there a funckier CSS hack kind of way?
:o)
Richard
- Original Message -
*From:* Kevin Futter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 05, 2004 12:02 PM
*Subject:* Re: [WSG] Semantically creating 'pipes' for footer links
For the line wrapping issue, you could try:
whitespace: nowrap;
On whatever element is giving you trouble.
Cheers,
Kevin Futter
On 5/10/04 11:28 AM, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys,
I'm putting together a semantically correct UL of links for my
footer.
I'd like to have them separated by 'pipes' as this is a common
and easily recognised technique.
But the pipes themselves are irrelevant (semantically). So
here's what I've come up with...
ALSO! My one thing is that if the text inside the links is made
up of two or more words, then they get pushed to separate lines.
Is there a way to avoid this without specifying a width or
without putting a 'no broken spaces' between the words?
Can you suggest anything better?
style type=text/css
#footer {
text-align: center;
}
#footer ul li {
display: inline; width: 1px;
margin: auto 5px; padding-left: 10px; border-left: 1px solid
#00;
line-height: 120%;
}
#footer ul li:first-child { border-left: none; }
/* Not rendered by a few agents, so we'll use the
'footerBorderKill' javascript function switches off the first
child's left border */
/style
div id=footer
ul id =contentLinks
lia href=link1.html title=Link 1
accesskey=1link/a/li
lia href=link2.html title=Link 2 accesskey=2link
with multiple words/a/li
lia href=link3.html title=Link 3
accesskey=3link/a/li
lia href=link4.html title=Link 4
accesskey=4linknbsp;withnbsp;NoBrokenSpaces/a/li
lia href=link5.html title=Link 5
accesskey=5link/a/li
/ul
ul id=validationLinks
lia href=http://validator.w3.org/check/referer;
rel=external title=Check XHTMLxhtml/a/li
lia
href=http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check/referer;
rel=external title=Check CSScss/a/li
lia
href=http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/;
rel=external title=View licensecc/a/li
/ul
/div
script type=text/javascript//![CDATA[
// Kills the Left Border on the Footer Navigation
function footerBorderKill() {
myBody=document.getElementById('footer');
myBodyElements=myBody.getElementsByTagName(ul); // Gets all
the UL elements that are children of 'footer'
for( var i = 0; i myBodyElements.length; i++ ) {
myList=myBodyElements.item(i); // Loops through all the ULs in
the footer
myListElements=myList.getElementsByTagName(li); // Gets all
the LI elements that are children of the ULs
myLI=myListElements.item(0); // Gets the first item of the
list of LI elements
myLI.style.borderLeft = 'none'; // And sets its border to nothing
}
}
window.onload = footerBorderKill;
//]]/script
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Re: [WSG] Fluid Horizontal Lists
just a quick thought that may be completely wrong, but have you tried % based padding for li ? Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Todd Baker wrote: Hi Guys, I have just joined the list after attending WE04. My name is Todd Baker and I work as a XSLT/XHTML/CSS developer in Sydney. I am doing a big CSS based rebuild for one of our clients and am having some troubles with our fluid layout. I want to use horizontal lists for our primary navigation but the designs requires that the nav items are fluid, i.e. the gap between them grows and contracts with the browser width. I have based the nav on this -- http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/horizontal16.htm but after playing with % width's and margin's Im still not there. Has anyone solved the same problem else where and has some tips to help me? Thanks in advance. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] default place-holders for forms
Andreas 1. You may want to research the pros and cons of automated accessibility testing 2. what do you mean by password place-holder ? Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I have got a website (www.jet.org.au) that passes Bobby almost with AAA, with the exception of the default place holders. The reason I do not want to put them into the site is because every page has got a login form at the top. With the default place-holders, the login form would look something like this: Username: Enter username Password: The password place-holder looks pretty useless and confusing to me. Most users will plain wonder what that is supposed to do, it's not really helpful at all. So I'd love to hear your opinions on this one? Shall I enter them just to pass the accessibility tests, or leave them out for (in my opinion) better usability? Being so close to AAA and not reaching it is frustrating. Thanks! Andreas. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] default place-holders for forms
Right, Now I understand The guidelines say all form elements need to have default text inside them, but a form field with the type=password always renders as * regardless of the content I think commonsense should prevail and you should leave the password field empty, otherwise you will confuse some users Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Andreas Boehmer wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Neerav 1. You may want to research the pros and cons of automated accessibility testing I completely agree that automated accessibility tests are not efficient enough to rate a website accessible. However, there are reasons why these tests ask for default place-holders, which I do not want to plainly ignore, just because they have been requested by Bobby. 2. what do you mean by password place-holder ? If I put a default place-holder into a form field with the type=password, it obviously appears as ***. That's the bit I would like to avoid, yet for accessibility reasons it may be required to provide it. There's a discussion going on whether default place-holders are really necessary or not. Appearantly there are some browsers or assistive technologies that do not find form elements if they don't have a default text in them. Neerav Bhatt Andreas Boehmer wrote: Hi guys, I have got a website (www.jet.org.au) that passes Bobby almost with AAA, with the exception of the default place holders. The reason I do not want to put them into the site is because every page has got a login form at the top. With the default place-holders, the login form would look something like this: Username: Enter username Password: The password place-holder looks pretty useless and confusing to me. Most users will plain wonder what that is supposed to do, it's not really helpful at all. So I'd love to hear your opinions on this one? Shall I enter them just to pass the accessibility tests, or leave them out for (in my opinion) better usability? Being so close to AAA and not reaching it is frustrating. Thanks! Andreas. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] heading background continues across container width
Hi
Im experimenting with some techniques from dan cederholms book Web
Standards Solutions and found that setting a background image like so
h1 , h2 , h3 , h4 , h5
{
text-align : left;
padding-bottom: 14px;
background: url(/img/under_heading.gif) repeat-x bottom;
}
caused the background image to continue across the whole container div
width, my guess is that this occurs because Hx tags are BLOCK elements,
so I added :
display: inline;
Which seemed to fix the problem, and made the background display only
below the text in Hx tags,
Are there any caveats to bear in mind when forcing Hx tags to be inline ?
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Re: [WSG] heading background continues across container width
thanks James you have confirmed my suspicion that by default h
elements are 100% wide
everyone else, thanks for the suggestions. I only had it set on inline
for a few minutes anyway as i knew it was not the best method, and I
know that As soon as you convert something to inline you allow other
inline elements to run up beside it
I think I like the effect of the image across the page anyway, so in the
end no changes are needed :-)
I see that i didnt link to my experiment in the question so heres the
URL http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/
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James Denholm-Price wrote:
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 16:16:43 +1000, Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Im experimenting with some techniques from dan cederholms book Web
Standards Solutions and found that setting a background image like so
h1 , h2 , h3 , h4 , h5
{
text-align : left;
padding-bottom: 14px;
background: url(/img/under_heading.gif) repeat-x bottom;
}
caused the background image to continue across the whole container div
width, my guess is that this occurs because Hx tags are BLOCK elements,
repeat-x makes the background image repeat across the whole width
and by default h elements are 100% wide. Replacing it with
no-repeat would ensure only one copy of the image appears. E.g. see
http://www.w3schools.com/css/pr_background.asp
James
PS: inline worked because it made the heading shrink-wrap but you
were probably lucky that it remained on a line of its own. I guess it
was surrounded by other block elements.
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[WSG] Make Wordpress More Links Accessible
While the wordpress blogging package does an admirable job publishing valid XHTML/CSS with good semantic code there is one feature which fails accessibility guidlelines. read more about Make Wordpress More Links Accessible : http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2004/10/02/make-wordpress-more-links-accessible/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Letterhead/footer using print style?
One way would be to set the 'hidden' letterhead and footer to display:none; in the screen media css, and to remove display:none; from the print style sheet so they appear when printed. note this means they will be visible in source code and to search engine spiders Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Lorenzo Gabba wrote: Is it possible to create a 'hidden' letterhead and footer that would only show up in printed documents from a website? If so, what would be the best-practice markup-wise given the semantic implications of hiding this content (company name/contact details/physical address/legal notice/etc.) from screen view? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Yahoo Embraces Web Standards (sorta)
http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/2004/10/01/yahoo-embraces-web-standards-sorta/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Essentials Today
I see that Amit has beaten me to posting a summary of events for WE04 Day 1 at Karmakars.com , and it most certainly isnt OT :-) I personally found the 3 Ds of CSS most useful * Dan Cederholm (http://www.simplebits.com) - whose book I won in a promotion run by John Allsopp for early WE04 registrations. Ive already found a few useful tips while reading it on the train home. * Dave Shea (http://www.mezzoblue.com) - of CSS Zen Garden fame. * Doug Bowman (http://www.stopdesign.com) - who shopcased a lot of neat yet simple CSS tips Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Amit Karmakar wrote: People, Probably this is slightly OTbut... Can't help share the beautiful presentations from the Speakers from Day1 of the WE04 Presentation. Enjoy! I would hopefully have more information up there by Saturday. http://www.karmakars.com/weblog/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] doctypes, quirks/standards mode and positioning
The rule of thunb is that if you're going to use XHTML, than you have to get it 100% correct because XHTML is much more strict and unforgiving of little errors than html 4 so go for html 4 transitional validation if the clients tables will always be invalid Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nando wrote: Hi all, I've been trying to get my head around the use of doctypes and their eventual influence on layouts via whether they force the browser into standards mode or not. What i've come to so far is if you use tables mixed with css for positioning you're better off staying with an HTML 4 doctype (and in quirks mode) rather than using an XHTML doctype and forcing the browser into standards mode. The reason i'm asking is i'm working contractually with a company who's using XHTML doctypes on their templates and often improperly formed tables, (almost as far from XHTML as you can get sometimes and still get something to appear on the page) for their layouts and they're asking me for help to fix it. I've read somewhere that one should only use an XHTML doctype if you're using XML on the page or using css positioning exclusively. Anyone have a take on this or a good reference to consult? Note: i'm trying to be practical here - it's an urgent job, it's clear the company doesn't have anyone who knows anything about css positioning on board, and i'm a student of css positioning, not an expert. So at this point i tend to use tables to position the chunks and css to position the detail within the chunks. thanks, Nando :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Site Structure Suggestions, Second Post!
you forgot the charset: meta http-equiv=Content-type content=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 / otherwise looks fine Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Jeremy S. (WSG) wrote: To the many members of WSG: This is my second post on this same subject, and I'm hoping that this time I'll be able to get a response. :-) I have built up a design in Photoshop, which you can view here http://www.effuse.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=462#462 or here http://www.affectus.net/images/temp/design5.jpg. I'm looking to get help on how I should write up the structure for the site, as I'm a bit confused about the best way to attack it. So far, this is what I have. !DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd; http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml head titleJezzJournal *new*/title meta http-equiv=Content-Type content=text/html; / /head body div id=container div id=header h1 id=header-textJezzJournal/h1 /div div id=sidebar sidebar links. /div div id=navigation links. /div div id=content all sorts of content here /div /div /body /html What do you think? Would what I have be best for what I'm trying to accomplish? -- *Jeremy S.* Author of JezzJournal http://jezzjournal.com Co-Founder of Effuse http://effuse.org Get Firefox! http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=3740t=65 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Just for fun
Not bad, the only differences I could tell were quite minor Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Ryan Christie wrote: I was taking requests to do a mock-up of a tables site into a CSS layout last week because the office was pretty slow all of Friday. I figured I'd share the outcome with the group. Original Stats: Tables: 31 Font Tags: 294 DIVs: 167 HTML size: 68.4kb New Stats: Tables: 3 Font Tags: 0 DIVs: 38 HTML size: 17.0kb CSS size: 5.29kb Original snapshot : http://theward.net/examples/chiefs.htm Revised: http://theward.net/examples/chiefstandards.htm There's a list that doesn't want to behave itself in IE, but other than that it came out alright. It was friendly in all the Mac and Win browsers I tested it in. Enjoy :) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Sydney WSG meeting recap
After listening to Ben's presentation I feel he deserves a big *Gold* Star for work above and beyond the call of duty :-) Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav russ - maxdesign wrote: Another huge night tonight at the Sydney WSG with 40 people in attendance. Thank you to all who turned up. We had two presentations: Mark Stanton talked about semantically correct mark-up and Ben Bishop talked us through a recent site that has just gone live - built with web standards, of course. Great stuff! Both presentations will be available online in the near future. A big thank you to both presenters. PS. I have some lost property. Someone left behind a CD with image files (or at least that is what the label says). Contact me off-list if you think it is yours. Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Handheld Browsers
From a post by L. Hardy on 15/06/2004 This is fairly typical of small-screen devices. Since most web developers don't use CSS properly yet, and many of those who do don't create handheld CSS, browser developers for small-screen devices have had to work out hacks to attempt to make the site conform to their requirements That's probably not clarifying matters, but I've only had one coffee today so I won't be firing on all cylinders yet... Anyway, read this : http://hotwired.lycos.com/webmonkey/04/12/index4a.html It taught me everything I ever needed to know about small-screen dev Cheers, Lachlan Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Marc Greenstock wrote: It seems browser incompatibility is as significant in handhelds as it is in PC's. I recently had the privilege of viewing a few of my sites on IE on a Pocket PC 2003 environment. Man does it suck! It renders the screen media stylesheet, and doesn't support the handheld media. Does anyone know how to fix this, apart from perhaps using a dirty browser sniffer? Marc ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] www.meetup.com launches standards compliant site
the css for www.meetup.com is valid and except for a few small quibbles the xhtml is valid too -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] commonly used order of styles within a css class
what about the mozilla way http://www.mozilla.org/contribute/writing/markup ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Sean wrote: Does anyone know if there is a common way of listing styles in CSS? I don't mean the order of a:hover a: visited, or the order of specification. I am thinking more of some logical order that would be helpful to anyone else working on stylesheets I have created. For example, perhaps the font and inline information is first, the block, padding and margin information next, and then the positioning. In the same way that naming conventions of CSS classes and IDs is helpful, is anyone aware of any logical or consistent order in which the styles are displayed in CSS? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FireFox - Built In CSS Error Handler?
Tools - DOM inspector Tools - Javascript Console -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Chris Stratford wrote: Hey List, Just wondering - anyone have any idea what this is? A Developer's Best Friend Firefox comes with a standard set of developer tools including a powerful JavaScript and CSS error/warning console, and an optional Document Inspector that gives unheard of insight into how your pages work. Taken from www.mozilla.org/products/firefox I have never noticed the CSS error warnign console before ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] web essentials briefing/ westciv CSS Guide
1. a lot more people using mozilla/firefox than safari 2. Web Developer toolbar http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefoxid=60vid=63 -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Frederic Fery wrote: yes it was great evening Kate from IML gave me the copy she won of the starter kit - lucky me I have just tried Firefox - looks very much like Safari (only after 5 minutes of browsing) - fast, fast, fast.. What's the (standard) benefit of using firefox over safari for testing? Frederic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Next WSG meeting in Sydney - September 16
RSVP like normal to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav russ - maxdesign wrote: Sydney WSG meeting Date: Thursday 16th September Time: 6.30pm informal start for 7pm start Where: Australian Museum Search Discover meeting room Level 2 6 College Street Sydney We have two exciting presentations lined up for the night. 1. Mark Stanton from Gruden will be talking about Semantically correct mark-up. 2. Ben Bishop from Daemon with then do a presentation that looks under the hood of a recently launched site that has been built using web standards. More info: http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event18.cfm Thanks Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] .pdf files
No need to get tetchy non-windows ppl :-) A 100% acessible alternative link to send customers to is : http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nick Gleitzman wrote: On Saturday, Aug 28, 2004, at 10:16 Australia/Sydney, Neerav wrote: Keep this paragraph, but make the link directly to a mirror which has acrobat reader setup files eg: http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/5.x/5.1/ AcroReader51_ENU_full.exe This follows KISS principles by making it easy for your customer to use PDF's with 1 click, not 1/2 a dozen clicks within the adobe site. Fine for Win users, but a .exe file is not much use to Mac- or *nix-based visitors. The Adobe download site has the correct version for most OS's... Don't forget, if you're looking to build an accessible site, there *is* a world outside of Windows... Nick ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Word documents saved as html and cleaned.
Ive never tried it but AFAIK Tidy http://tidy.sourceforge.net/ can be used server side to clean up code on POST eg: http://infohound.net/tidy/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nick Lo wrote: Hi Jonothan, Yeah, I'd considered that for the future however right now as far as I know Word 2004 on the Mac does not have the ability to save as XML. Since one of the users is a Mac user (so am i in fact) that solution will have to wait. Thanks, Nick My recommendation would be to create an XML schema and then use a product like infopath to export the xml (xhtml) to your CMS. jonothan ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor
http://www.xstandard.com/ -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Hi all Can anyone recommend a browser based editor (preferably written in PHP) that will allow clients to update code themselves, but that outputs standards compliant XHTML? I am not interested in a full CMS, this is just for updating page snippets etc. I have come across WYSIWYG Pro which looks good. Thanks Sarah ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Online browser XTHML editor
how about http://www.fckeditor.net/ then ? -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Sarah Peeke (XERT) wrote: Thanks Neerav. I think xstandard delivers XHTML 1.1 or strict. I'm using XHTML 1.0 transitional for most of my work. Any other ideas? http://www.xstandard.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Unaccessible - NY Attorney General busts two big name sites
The more salient question would be whether corporates can be forced to do so in australia, as SOCOG was a government corporation. AFAIK whether australian corporates can be forced to comply to W3C/accessibility guidelines is untested in the courts. -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Nick Cowie wrote: Cameron wrote: Did we resolve whether Australian legislation has the potential for similar effects? Have you forgotten Sydney Olympics web site, it was 4 years ago the Human Rights Commission awarded A$20,000 compensation in the Maguire vs. SOCOG case. You can find it all here: http://www.contenu.nu/socog.html Nick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG]RSS
shameless plugIf only more companies made use of the information I know by contracting me.../shameless plug -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy Mobile: +61 (0)403 8000 27 http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Tricia Fitzgerald wrote: You are just a wealth of information! Tricia On Aug 18, 2004, at 4:19 PM, Neerav wrote: wordpress - http://www.wordpress.org blog package with rss feeds http://www.mnot.net/rss/tutorial/ - rss tutorial http://www.bhatt.id.au/article/1/ - generating rss with php mysql -- Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au - Original Message - From: Wasabi To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: [WSG] Hi, Any good on-line tutorials for RSS ? Respectfully, Chris http://ckimedia.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ Proud presenters of Web Essentials 04 http://we04.com/ Web standards, accessibility, inspiration, knowledge To be held in Sydney, September 30 and October 1, 2004 See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
