Re: [AFMUG] SNMP

[Ryan Ray]

SNMP is still pretty much the de-facto monitoring standard. Going to run
through a demo of this in a week. Looking forward to seeing what it can do.
https://www.selector.ai

For your needs, you should use Zabbix. I think it's going to be supported
for a long time going into the future, it has good integrations with things
like Grafana so you can make your graphs all pretty. The alarming system is
good.

It's free, but you might need to go and find someone to build you templates
if you don't want to spend the time doing it yourself. You should collect
all your devices, find the MIB's for them, then in plain language enter
what you want to report from each device. Get the devices on a network
where your contractor can reach them, and have them build the templates for
you.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> 20 years ago we used stuff from a weird little company called BlackBox for
> remote monitoring and control.  Looks like they still exist and make kind
> of what Chuck is looking for, probably overkill though.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.blackbox.com/en-in/products/by-technology/networking-solutions/alertwerks-iot-solutions
>
>
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>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Bash it is!
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 5:43 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I think the simple email alert is what we are looking for..  No NMS
> needed.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* castarritt
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:33 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> We've done stuff as ghetto as powering an old wrt54g through the alarm
> contacts and monitoring its IP address to see when it comes up and goes
> down.  These days all of our sites have either an Alpha or ICT UPS or DC
> shelf that has alarm monitoring inputs.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 4:30 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> As long as you support SMTP AUTH, I think that should be sufficient.  If
> necessary, someone could always create a Gmail account for this purpose.
>
>
>
> Yes, there are some older devices that expect you to set them up as an MTA
> rather than MUA so they can send unauthenticated SMTP on port 25.  That
> sounds like a really bad plan to me unless you time travel back to maybe
> 1999.  I don’t want to be creating SPF and DKIM and DMARC records for a
> little contact monitoring box, and it sounds like a security nightmare.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian
> (List Account)
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 4:13 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Some devices can be configured to send an email if a contact closes, but
> the way this happens varies between devices.
>
>
>
> My problem with integrating this on the the sitemonitor platform has
> traditionally been that you need a rule system in order to determine when
> to send the email.  I.E. what threshold of voltage, and so on.   This is
> obviously easy in a on/off situation, but not so much in a voltage.   Plus
> you need additional rules so when the voltage is bouncing between 24.0 and
> 24.1 and you have the threshold set at 24.0 you don't get an email every
> time it flaps to 24.0.All of this was impossible to do on the older
> hardware just because of code space limitations.
>
>
>
> The Base 3 has the resources to do this, but the firmware has not yet been
> completed.  There is a rules engine about 3/4 built for the sitemonitor
> system, how long until it sees the light of day, I don't know at this
> point.   The email itself is somewhat easy but I also need to provide some
> sort of email server resources for those who don't have an email system
> which will accept email from random devices.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 2:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Not following how you are going to use SNMP without a monitoring system.
>
> Packetflux Sitemonitor can turn a contact closure into a 1 or 0 OID that
> an SNMP monitoring system can check at regular intervals, mine mostly polls
> every 1 minute. But then you would typically have your NMS send an alert by
> email or text message.
>
> I tend to monitor analog parameters like voltage or current, then set trip
> points for the NMS to send an informative message. Like UPS input voltage
> at the Podunk site has been below the minimum value of 100 V for more than
> 2 minutes.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Chuck McCown via AF"
> Sent: 5/8/2024 2:41:36 PM
> To: "TJ Trout" , "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
> So how do Forrest’s products let you know of an issue?  Traps?
>
>
>
> \Would love to NOT have to have NMS just for this.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 8, 2024 1:35 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SNMP
>
>
>
> Packet flux can do it all too, the base 

Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SPAM*** ***SPAM******SP

[Ryan Ray]

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On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 11:28 PM  wrote:

> Revenue bonds aren't paid out of the general fund.
>
>
> Jared
>
> > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024
> > From: "Bill Prince" 
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM***
> Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> >
> > Bonds are paid (usually, unless specified differently when they were
> > issued) out of general revenue funds. If the  funds used to pay bonds
> > take away enough, the services get compromised, reduced, or not funded
> > at all.
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 4/27/2024 9:33 AM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:
> > > I fail to see how revenue bonds divert essential funding away from
> services that really matter to the public.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jared
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024
> > > From: "Ken Hohhof" 
> > > To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" 
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber -
> Utopia
> > >
> > > Everything’s political now, of course.
> > >
> > > But he does have a point when he says “Government-owned broadband
> networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away from
> services that really matter to the public — services such as police and
> fire, roads, water and sewer.”
> > >
> > > In the past, the government has undertaken vast programs at taxpayer
> expense like rural electrification, the interstate highway system, the
> space program.  Now apparently high speed Internet is the thing of the
> moment that takes precedence over all the other broken things that we might
> wish government to fix.  I sometimes wonder why Internet?  Maybe because it
> seems easy and gives people the power to hand out billions of dollars.
> Could they cure cancer or get lead out of drinking water or fix all the
> deteriorating bridges with something like a BEAD program?
> > >
> > > Maybe they think broadband and AI and neural implants will lead to a
> future where everyone is plugged into the network and doesn’t need any of
> those other things.  Maybe we’ll all be heads in jars like in Futurama.
> > >
> > >
> > > From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
> > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024
> > > To: Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave
> Users Group 
> > > Cc: ch...@go-mtc.com; John Brewer 
> > > Subject: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> > >
> > >
> > > I am surprised they have never broke even.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Josh Luthman
> > >
> > > Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024
> > >
> > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > >
> > > Cc: John Brewer ; ch...@go-mtc.com[mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com]
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ***SPAM*** Govt funded fiber - Utopia
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Article:
> https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/[https://www.deseret.com/opinion/2024/04/19/government-internet-service-bad-for-taxpayers/]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 4:59 PM Chuck McCown via AF  [mailto:af@af.afmug.com]> wrote:
> > > By John Dougall
> > >
> > > For the Deseret News
> > >
> > > Most Utahns probably agree that government should stick to essential
> > > government services and stay out of enterprises that are better
> performed by
> > > the private sector.
> > >
> > > Yet, across the country and right here in Utah, more and more
> governments
> > > are building government-owned internet networks, despite numerous
> > > private-sector providers being available.
> > >
> > > The number of government-owned networks is increasing by the day, and
> > > taxpayers, not users, are often footing the bill. Government-owned
> broadband
> > > networks cost millions of dollars and divert essential funding away
> from
> > > services that really matter to the public — services such as police and
> > > fire, roads, water and sewer.
> > >
> > > Two unfortunate examples of government-owned broadband networks right
> here
> > > in Utah are iProvo and UTOPIA.
> > >
> > > In 2004, Provo launched iProvo to provide broadband internet services
> to
> > > homes and business. Provo reportedly bonded for $36.5 million to bring
> > > service to every home in the city and wrote off $5.4 million that the
> city’s
> > > telecommunications fund owed the Energy Department’s reserve fund to
> finance
> > > the costly deployment. After struggling to make the network viable,
> iProvo
> > > was sold in 2008. But its buyer failed to fulfill the terms of the
> sale, and
> > > iProvo reverted back to the city. In 2013, in a desperate attempt to
> free
> > > itself of the failed venture, the city ultimately sold iProvo to
> Google for
> > > $1.
> > >
> > > Similarly, UTOPIA (Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency)
> was
> > > launched to provide broadband internet services to a consortium of
> cities.
> > > But UTOPIA has failed to fulfill its promises for more than two
> decades now.
> > > The project, which started 

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

You honestly should calm down Tyson. Acting like a buffoon.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:01 AM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> My son did it.  Lives in Bloomington in a one bedroom. After utilities, he
> is dropping just over 1K per month.
>
>
>
> Has 25K in the bank saved from working over the past 4-5 years. He is
> buying a house next year.
>
>
>
> What is your excuse? The internet feeding it to you?
>
>
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 12:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> Yeah, you guys. lol.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:39 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> "If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own,
> you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a
> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to
> make more than $17 an hour. "
>
>
>
>
>
> Someone on the Internet is wrong...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
> *To: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking
> about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money,
> trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.
>
> If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own,
> you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a
> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to
> make more than $17 an hour.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> Not sure I am getting your point.  Young people frequently struggle when
> starting out.  The struggle is valuable.  You get ahead by getting
> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for.  You do
> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live
> in an area where it rains.  You eat what you kill.
>
>
>
> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a
> brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities.
> That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money.
>
>
>
> So what is it you want me to learn here?  In 1979 milk was $1/gallon.  It
> is now $4.33.  Same price adjusted for inflation ...
>
>
>
> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did.
>
>
>
> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents.  Today, $4.50, same price adjusted
> for inflation...
>
>
>
> What do I need to learn here???
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> Chuck,
>
> I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want
> to learn and listen.
>
> Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are
> at all time highs. Rental markets are beco

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

Yeah, you guys. lol.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:39 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> "If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own,
> you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a
> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to
> make more than $17 an hour. "
>
>
> Someone on the Internet is wrong...
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
> *To: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking
> about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money,
> trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.
>
> If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own,
> you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a
> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to
> make more than $17 an hour.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Not sure I am getting your point.  Young people frequently struggle when
>> starting out.  The struggle is valuable.  You get ahead by getting
>> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for.  You do
>> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live
>> in an area where it rains.  You eat what you kill.
>>
>> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a
>> brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities.
>> That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money.
>>
>> So what is it you want me to learn here?  In 1979 milk was $1/gallon.  It
>> is now $4.33.  Same price adjusted for inflation ...
>>
>> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did.
>>
>> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents.  Today, $4.50, same price
>> adjusted for inflation...
>>
>> What do I need to learn here???
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Ray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want
>> to learn and listen.
>>
>> Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are
>> at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living
>> with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the
>> work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18
>> an hour?
>>
>> Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets
>> you $2500 monthly net.
>> Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi
>> <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/>
>>
>> Rent: $1100
>> Food (No Restaurants): $253
>> Utilities: $300
>> Gas?: $400
>> I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo?
>>
>> I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You
>> don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start.
>>
>> Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and
>> you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're
>> being serious or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives
>>> with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard
>>> it is today compared to when I was younger.  So I did a little comparison
>>> for her:
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

A lot of what is happening now can be attributed to housing imho.

A house is your domain. The place you get things done. Your mind expands,
you have more space to enjoy hobbies or learn something new. Personally, I
don’t get that from an apartment when I have to worry about my neighbours
and volume levels and having no space to do anything.

I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with making your own sandwich, or
living at your appropriate means, but I don’t consider living with
roommates living. It’s a stepping stone to the American dream (owning a
house).

My parents have told me about their times growing up, living in the single
wide. The pipes would freeze every winter and my dad would be down there
with the hair dryer in the 70’s to unthaw. That’s all fine and dandy. When
they had me in 88, they bought a house, probably 1700sqft, it was nice. I
wouldn’t have had the childhood I had by being in a trailer.

I don’t really believe in religion of any kind, they all have valuable
teachings (and not so valuable) but I think it’s just how you think about
the world at large. Things are always changing, and I don’t think it’s a
bad mantra to think that the new generation should have it better than
generations past. Doesn’t mean you have to stop learning, or applying
yourself. In Canada specifically our housing is so out of control that even
a new family with one kid still has to rent and/or be in a small apartment
unless they wait until they’re 40 and have had decent paying jobs (70k) a
year for a while.

Or live in the boonies and kill your own food, gather your own wood, and
there’s nothing wrong with that either.




On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 5:25 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Exactly what problems are young people facing?  Almost every single one
> that wants to can enlist in the military.  That will feed them and teach
> them a skill (and some manners, and how to work) and they will come out
> with the VA and GI Bill.  Pell grants, student loans.
>
> If someone wants to better themselves, they can.  Kids today have it far
> easier than ever before.  Work from home, online classes that are free,
> hell you can learn highly specialized technical stuff on Youtube.
>
> What is wrong with making yourself a sandwich?  If you are broke, don’t
> f**king spend.  You are making my point for me.
>
> Oh, the horrors of having to cook your own food, walking to work and
> living in a single wide.  Those are human rights abuses man!  (said all the
> snowflakes and they melted and went down the storm sewer)
>
> Where on the stone tablets that Moses brought down from the mountain does
> it say: “Young people should have it easier than you had it”?
>
> You eat what you kill.
>
>
> https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:55 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> Not defeatist or jealousy or envy.
>
> I’m 34, I bought a 2500sqft house on a green belt in 2013 (25 Years old).
> Sold my company, and I live an extremely comfortable life for someone my
> age. No mortgage, a couple nice cars. I worked very hard, lots of long
> nights, lots of learning to get to where I’m at, and did it all without
> having any generational wealth to start with. To phrase it for you old
> folks, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps.
>
> However, your attitude is what makes me call you a boomer. You seem to
> have no empathy and are not willing to discuss the current problems facing
> young people today. You keep referencing back to how you did it, and just a
> few bucks in the 80's or the 70's or whatever. I could see it in your post.
> Saying things like "Make a sandwich at home, ride the bus, live in a
> trailer"
>
> Don't get me wrong Chuck, you're a smart guy. I've learned a lot from you
> over the years both in person and through this list. I take that as one of
> my core values is to listen to people, even when I think they're stupidly
> wrong, and make sure I never close myself off to any viewpoint and that
> makes me better in everything I do.
>
> I just think you're hand waving away a lot of current economic issues
> plaguing the world. Young people should have it easier than you had it,
> just like you had it easier than someone born in the 20's. Or should we
> just keep letting trillion dollar corps run the world and you got yours, so
> the young kids can go pound sand because their $18/hr job should suffice.
> (BTW my first "real" job back in 2008 was 35k a year) I was 19. No
> schooling, and that would be your $18/hr now.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:20 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Defeatist attitude.
>>
>> Or just jealou

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

Not defeatist or jealousy or envy.

I’m 34, I bought a 2500sqft house on a green belt in 2013 (25 Years old).
Sold my company, and I live an extremely comfortable life for someone my
age. No mortgage, a couple nice cars. I worked very hard, lots of long
nights, lots of learning to get to where I’m at, and did it all without
having any generational wealth to start with. To phrase it for you old
folks, I pulled myself up by my bootstraps.

However, your attitude is what makes me call you a boomer. You seem to have
no empathy and are not willing to discuss the current problems facing young
people today. You keep referencing back to how you did it, and just a few
bucks in the 80's or the 70's or whatever. I could see it in your post.
Saying things like "Make a sandwich at home, ride the bus, live in a
trailer"

Don't get me wrong Chuck, you're a smart guy. I've learned a lot from you
over the years both in person and through this list. I take that as one of
my core values is to listen to people, even when I think they're stupidly
wrong, and make sure I never close myself off to any viewpoint and that
makes me better in everything I do.

I just think you're hand waving away a lot of current economic issues
plaguing the world. Young people should have it easier than you had it,
just like you had it easier than someone born in the 20's. Or should we
just keep letting trillion dollar corps run the world and you got yours, so
the young kids can go pound sand because their $18/hr job should suffice.
(BTW my first "real" job back in 2008 was 35k a year) I was 19. No
schooling, and that would be your $18/hr now.



On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 3:20 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Defeatist attitude.
>
> Or just jealous?  Envy?
>
> In 1990 I was so broke I was sitting on the side of the highway with my 4
> kids (at the time) selling everything I had to get a bus ticket to get out
> of town to get to a job to make a few bucks to move the family.
>
> Fast forward 10 short years and I had enough to retire.
> Just hard work.  At 40 no less, not 50.
>
> And now 33 years later my house is 5 X larger than that.
> Hell, my garage is bigger than that.
> And my only roommates have been my kids.
>
> But there was some sleeping in dirt and enjoying it at certain periods.
> Doncha only wish you could be like a boomer...
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:48 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> lol. These boomers I swear. Live in your 5 roommate 2000sqft box until 50,
> retire at 87. Bcck in my day I slept in a dirt pile and we enjoyed it.
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Fantasy land
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Ray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:54 PM
>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>>
>> I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking
>> about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money,
>> trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.
>>
>> If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own,
>> you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a
>> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to
>> make more than $17 an hour.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure I am getting your point.  Young people frequently struggle when
>>> starting out.  The struggle is valuable.  You get ahead by getting
>>> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for.  You do
>>> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live
>>> in an area where it rains.  You eat what you kill.
>>>
>>> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a
>>> brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities.
>>> That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money.
>>>
>>> So what is it you want me to learn here?  In 1979 milk was $1/gallon.
>>> It is now $4.33.  Same price adjusted for inflation ...
>>>
>>> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did.
>>>
>>> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents.  Today, $4.50, same price
>>> adjusted for inflation...
>>>
>>> What do I need to learn here???
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ryan Ray
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subj

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

lol. These boomers I swear. Live in your 5 roommate 2000sqft box until 50,
retire at 87. Bcck in my day I slept in a dirt pile and we enjoyed it.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 2:41 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Fantasy land
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:54 PM
> *To:* Chuck McCown
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking
> about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money,
> trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.
>
> If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own,
> you shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a
> month for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to
> make more than $17 an hour.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Not sure I am getting your point.  Young people frequently struggle when
>> starting out.  The struggle is valuable.  You get ahead by getting
>> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for.  You do
>> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live
>> in an area where it rains.  You eat what you kill.
>>
>> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a
>> brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities.
>> That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money.
>>
>> So what is it you want me to learn here?  In 1979 milk was $1/gallon.  It
>> is now $4.33.  Same price adjusted for inflation ...
>>
>> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did.
>>
>> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents.  Today, $4.50, same price
>> adjusted for inflation...
>>
>> What do I need to learn here???
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Ray
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want
>> to learn and listen.
>>
>> Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are
>> at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living
>> with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the
>> work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18
>> an hour?
>>
>> Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets
>> you $2500 monthly net.
>> Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi
>> <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/>
>>
>> Rent: $1100
>> Food (No Restaurants): $253
>> Utilities: $300
>> Gas?: $400
>> I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo?
>>
>> I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You
>> don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start.
>>
>> Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and
>> you cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're
>> being serious or not.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives
>>> with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard
>>> it is today compared to when I was younger.  So I did a little comparison
>>> for her:
>>>
>>>
>>> My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour.  That would be about $10.70/hour
>>> today.
>>>
>>> (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on
>>> the farm from 1960 until I escaped).
>>>
>>> My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman
>>> job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour.
>>> That would be about $18 today.
>>>
>>> My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982.  Or
>>> about $36K today.
>>>
>>> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/
>>>
>>> So how is it people have it so much worse today?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>>>
>>> Too many parents want to be fri

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking
about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money,
trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing.

If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you
shouldn't need roommates, you should expect that you can save 1k a month
for the future, maybe purchase a home by 28? You're going to need to make
more than $17 an hour.



On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 1:10 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Not sure I am getting your point.  Young people frequently struggle when
> starting out.  The struggle is valuable.  You get ahead by getting
> educated, getting trained, learning skills people will pay you for.  You do
> not deserve anything but free air to breath and perhaps water if you live
> in an area where it rains.  You eat what you kill.
>
> In your example below you are not taking into account, those with half a
> brain will have roomates with which to split all the rent and utilities.
> That one move makes it go to having plenty of spending money.
>
> So what is it you want me to learn here?  In 1979 milk was $1/gallon.  It
> is now $4.33.  Same price adjusted for inflation ...
>
> I do not buy that the kids now-a-days have it any worse than I did.
>
> Cost of a big mac in 1979 was 95 cents.  Today, $4.50, same price adjusted
> for inflation...
>
> What do I need to learn here???
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> Chuck,
>
> I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want
> to learn and listen.
>
> Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are
> at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living
> with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the
> work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18
> an hour?
>
> Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you
> $2500 monthly net.
> Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi
> <https://www.sofi.com/cost-living-utah/>
>
> Rent: $1100
> Food (No Restaurants): $253
> Utilities: $300
> Gas?: $400
> I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo?
>
> I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You
> don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start.
>
> Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you
> cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're
> being serious or not.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives
>> with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard
>> it is today compared to when I was younger.  So I did a little comparison
>> for her:
>>
>>
>> My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour.  That would be about $10.70/hour
>> today.
>>
>> (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on
>> the farm from 1960 until I escaped).
>>
>> My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman
>> job in 1979 paid $4.50/hour.
>> That would be about $18 today.
>>
>> My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982.  Or
>> about $36K today.
>>
>> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/
>>
>> So how is it people have it so much worse today?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>>
>> Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually
>> parent.  Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely
>> have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move
>> out.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and
>> entitlement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use
>> a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it.
>>
>>
>&

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

[Ryan Ray]

Chuck,

I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to
learn and listen.

Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are
at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living
with roommates. I'm not sure where or how this mobile home fits in with the
work in your area. Is there work in the area for your daughter to earn $18
an hour?

Talent.com says that at $18 an hour, working for 40 hours a week, gets you
$2500 monthly net.
Going off these assumptions Cost of Living in Utah (2023) | SoFi


Rent: $1100
Food (No Restaurants): $253
Utilities: $300
Gas?: $400
I think you yanks have things like health insurance. $100/mo?

I haven't thought of everything, but you're already up to $2200/mo. You
don't get ahead because you're behind before you even start.

Now take into account that the average home price in Utah is $500k and you
cherry picked some bottom of the barrel trailer. I can't tell if you're
being serious or not.



On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 11:55 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives
> with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard
> it is today compared to when I was younger.  So I did a little comparison
> for her:
>
>
> My first paid job in 1976 was $2/hour.  That would be about $10.70/hour
> today.
>
> (I was an unpaid apprentice to a machinist in 1974, and slave labor on the
> farm from 1960 until I escaped).
>
> My first skilled, formally trained, semi professional, utility lineman job
> in 1979 paid $4.50/hour.
> That would be about $18 today.
>
> My first home, single wide 10 x 50 mobile home cost $12,000 in 1982.  Or
> about $36K today.
>
> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/
>
> So how is it people have it so much worse today?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
> Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually
> parent.  Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely
> have the opportunity out to become friends with your kids after they move
> out.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Feb 14, 2023, at 1:25 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Yeah, that’s a problem for sure.
>
>
>
> All the youth (and some adults) see online is prosperity and wealth and
> entitlement.
>
>
>
> Your definition of existing just doesn’t even come to their minds. To use
> a phrase, they literally don’t comprehend it.
>
>
>
> I was living happily in a one room apartment for $400 a month and eating
> the same PB and soup for lunch/dinner on almost no monthly spend.
>
> I had an old futon bed that I had purchased in college as furniture. My
> monthly output was focused on paying rent and a bit for food and my car.
>
>
>
> I was hungry for more, made my way by learning, taking what I could find
> and working my way up.
>
>
>
> And during none of that did I think to myself, “This is shit, I am
> entitled to more because I exist.” Lol
>
>
>
> My grown kids ask for very little and even then get told no all the time,
> or have conditions.
>
> I worry about my younger kids that have spent a lot more time online. They
> still know they get nothing as a default, but they are more entitled in
> language and practice than my older kids.
>
> Society online in general isn’t doing anyone any favors.
>
>
>
> I mean some of the youtube crap they watch is just inane, and some of
> these people just throw around money like it magically appeared to them out
> of thin air without a care.
>
> There is no accountability or explanation.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:37 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] FB Exchange
>
>
>
> I advertised for hiring yesterday, a no experience necessary, get paid to
> learn MIG mild steel welding.   PT/FT flexible hours.  We hire 17 year
> olds.  I immediately got crap from this guy saying that the “young people
> of today” cannot exist on less than $18/hour which is what he gets and he
> works from home.
>
>
>
> Lots of people defended my $15/entry level, get paid to learn welding
> position.
>
> He deleted his post then sent me this:
>
>
>
> Hello there,
>
>
>
> Our of respect for you because it wasn't my intent to cause tension, I've
> deleted my comment on your posting. My only point was to emphasize that the
> going rate for a lot of entry level jobs is much higher than $15 an hour.
> Welding is a great skill and can open up great avenues in the future.
>
>
>
> However, The youth of today cannot live on $15 an hour so a lot of
> candidates will not even walk through the door because other places even in
> the 

Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers

[Ryan Ray]

Keeper is the best for enterprise. Has Azure AD auth which you should be
using, and allows the ability for you to take over someone's vault if they
leave the company.

I wouldn't accept any solution that doesn't have OAUTH2 built n.

On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 1:54 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Matt,
>
>
> I think bitwarden can be self hosted, if wanted.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
>
>  Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
>
> Myakka Communications
>
> www.Myakka.com
>
>
> --
>
>
> Thursday, February 9, 2023, 3:19:30 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I've been happy with
> https://teampasswordmanager.com/
>
> Self hosted, web based, browser extension (if that matters to you),
> user/group permission management, and more.
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I can integrate BitWarden with my AD, has groups, a variety of clients,
>> etc.?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 9, 2023 1:10:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
>>
>> Bitwarden.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 1:33 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> It is a bit disheartening, but are there comparable solutions? I haven't
>>> heard of any.
>>>
>>> Also, change your master password and the concerns over leaks goes away.
>>> We're actually looking to federate it with our Active Directory, so that
>>> it's even easier to manage.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Daniel Pautz via AF" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Cc: *"Daniel Pautz" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, February 9, 2023 11:02:01 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
>>>
>>> Any worries about their endless hackings?  Seems like they are not
>>> giving full disclosure anymore and a few of the last hacks were pretty bad
>>> sounding.   We have been using lastpass forever now,  but its getting a big
>>> sad that a company that should be securing your PW’s keeps getting nasty
>>> hacks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 09, 2023 8:48 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Business password managers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We use LastPass Enterprise. It integrates with our Active Directory for
>>> provisioning of users and group assignment. I have different groups and
>>> folders for different roles in the company. Each user can be in multiple
>>> groups.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It's mostly headache-free (nothing in IT is totally headache-free).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 8, 2023 4:38:52 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Business password managers
>>>
>>> I'm bringing on some more employees, so some sort of password manager
>>> would be nice to have, other than my personal one, and all the passwords
>>> I keep up in the old noggin.  This might be 

Re: [AFMUG] BDC filings are due in 32 days!

[Ryan Ray]

BDC is for everyone.

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 8:43 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Bdc is for girls
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2023, 5:59 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> *Is your FCC BDC report ready? It’s due March 1st.*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Only 32 days left to get it done.*
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Mystery Antennas on SLC peaks

[Ryan Ray]

Tell us how you really feel Steve

On Sat, Jan 14, 2023 at 1:45 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Fuck these degenerates. I'd open their battery box and fill it with tattle
> snakes then cut their cable. I'd sharpen a bunch of sticks and dip them in
> spoiled shit from various animals and inmates, put them sticking up 10 feet
> back with a trip wire. That way when they open their box they get snakebit
> and stumble backward tripping and falling into the rancid shit spears. This
> way, even if they survive the snake bite they go septic from the infected
> wounds and die miserably alone in a hospital bed with no ones hand to hold
>
> On Sat, Jan 14, 2023, 11:15 AM Robert  wrote:
>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium_Network
>>
>> On 1/14/23 8:31 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> It’s a mystery
>>
>> Public lands officials in Salt Lake City are trying to solve a mystery:
>> Who is placing antennae with solar panels on public property? KSL-TV
>> reported on Jan. 4 that a few of the devices were found about a year ago,
>> but more have been discovered in recent months. The locked battery boxes,
>> solar panels and antennae “have been bolted into different peaks and
>> summits and ridges around the foothills,” said Tyler Fonarow, the city’s
>> recreational trails manager. He hopes to educate the public that items
>> cannot be installed on public lands.
>> .
>>
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[AFMUG] Martin "Marty" Mizrahi (lv.net) arrested for conspiracy to commit wire fraud, bank fraud

[Ryan Ray]

https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/las-vegas-businessman-arrested-in-alleged-multimillion-dollar-fraud-scheme/
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: EXTERNAL - BDC

[Ryan Ray]

+1

On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 7:13 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Please don’t go screwing around with the web interface on 450.   It’s
> functional and works fine.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2022, at 7:27 PM, Jacob Turner  wrote:
>
> Seth, can you get the PMP450 web interface upgraded to mid 2000 standards
> while you are at it?  Our second biggest issue with PMP450 behind cost is
> that the web ui experience sucks and literally adds to the cost of already
> expensive hardware. It literally takes training employees to see basic
> stuff that is exposed in other vendor's  simple/baseline  interface.
>
> --
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 11:31 AM Seth Poche via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Kevin,
>>
>>   If I am reading this right it looks like close to 90% of your area has
>> available LiDAR with more coming. Let me know if you’d like to do a demo.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> *Seth Poche*
>>
>> Advisory Services
>>
>> *seth.po...@cambiumnetworks.com *
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Kevin Neal
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2022 6:36 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] EXTERNAL - BDC
>>
>>
>>
>> Very straightforward for our fiber coverage.  Wireless coverage
>> though…still waiting for that info back.  No Lidar coverage here to make
>> cnHeat worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 30, 2022 3:39 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* EXTERNAL - [AFMUG] BDC
>>
>>
>>
>> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not
>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know
>> the content is safe. Please report all suspicious emails to
>> info...@anthembusinessgroup.com as an attachment.
>>
>>
>>
>> Finally got this done. What fuckery. Ive spent the last week screwing
>> around with this stupid shit that doesnt do anything for the company and
>> just burns a stupid amount of time. That website is exactly the type of non
>> intuitive shit youd expect from the US government. Crack head webdudes.
>>
>>
>>
>> I dont like ever putting my name in innacurate shit unless im
>> telling lies and this was inaccurate as all get out. having to cheat this
>> and poke that and import and export out of our powercode database, also,
>> fuck excel, google sheets is where its at.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cherry on it is when i got done I did our 477 too and my autifill
>> apparently filed our company 477 as my personal LLC, gonna see how that
>> turns out. I dont know, maybe now I own the company.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only good of this was Cambium, those guys put the toolset in cnheat
>> to hammer this out pretty clean. Most of the errors from that were just
>> that Im a dumbass.
>>
>>
>>
>> Im not saying the FCC is a bunch of turds, but this whole process belongs
>> in a portapotty at an august construction site in texas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Heres a shocker, Im gonna go get shitface
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Re: [AFMUG] Mobile Backhaul

[Ryan Ray]

You'd be looking at something like the 1FINITY platform. Fujitsu 1FINITY™ -
Fujitsu Network Communications : Fujitsu United States


On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 2:47 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I was thinking some kind of MetroE solution where I'd have 100G\400G at
> the core and drop 1G\10G off at each site.
>
>
> I've seen the 10x10 stuff and it usually seems like a PtP product.
>
> I suppose if it does let me add\drop 10G channels, I could just passive
> WDM it and aggregate at fewer places.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Trey Scarborough" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 20, 2022 4:15:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mobile Backhaul
>
> If your looking for a L1 DWDM to drop at the site then ekinops has a 10x10
> 100G that can drop individual 10Gs at a site. I haven't seen any
> deployments for mobile carriers, but I have been told they have.
>
>
> Most I have done to this point has been 100G rings using MPLS/EVPN.
> Hardware is typically using Juniper ACX 710, Nokia 7250 IXR-E, or Cisco NCS
> 540. These are using 40 or 80K bidi optics, but in some instances PAM4 and
> hopefully soon single channel dwdm modules that don't require outside
> amplification. I have not found any that you can really use a true passive
> system yet, but hopefully will be testing some soon. I have deployed a
> couple using 1310/1550 splitters and ran DWDM on top of a 1310 100G channel
> using 40/80K sfp28s.
>
>
> Trey
>
>
> On 7/19/22 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> I'm looking for referrals to what you've worked with regarding mobile
> backhaul services.
>
> We've poked around at a few vendors and it seems like it's common to have
> products on either side of what I'm looking for. It appears common to offer:
>
> 1) Just a basic 10x 10G -> 1x 100G muxponder. It seems silly to have a
> rack full of muxponders at the CO.
> 2) Complicated any color to any color ROADM and 25g -> 400G aggregation
> DWDM systems that don't go down to the speeds the mobile operator would
> want.
>
>
> It doesn't seem like people have something that offers 1x or 2x 10G with
> 2x 100G for east\west routing in a hardened, small form factor. Awesome if
> those 100G were tunable, so I could plumb them into a passive wave system.
>
>
>
> -
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT wechat

[Ryan Ray]

It's just a URL. http://weixin.qq.com/x/AYcWDHOaDFgcVshGsuoi



On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 2:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> This is the one from the window PC app.
>
>
>
> From: Colin Stanners
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:39 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Chuck McCown
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT wechat
>
> I installed WeChat to communicate with Chinese suppliers. I went to a
> nearby Chinese restaurant where I knew the staff and they scanned my QR as
> a "friend" or similar so that I could be authorized. Ridiculous method of
> signup and questionable privacy implications but it is a way to prevent
> false registrations. If you send me a screenshot of your code I can try to
> scan it.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 10:58 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>
> Trying to get a tech support call going with a Chinese company.  They use
> wechat.  I tried to install it and it requires another wechat user to scan
> a QR code on my phone.  That ain’t gonna happen.  I guess there is a manual
> way for another wechat user to let me into the club.
>
> Like to have a live translator on the call too.  Anyone have any
> recommendations?
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Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation

[Ryan Ray]

www.patchmanager.com


On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 11:14 AM  wrote:

> I don’t think we disagree that much here.  The fundamental part is that
> people have to know how to use it (and then do so).
>
>
>
> If the person who understands the spreadsheet system leaves, now someone
> has to figure that out.  Spreadsheets are basically free form entry so the 2
> nd, 3rd, and 4th person to come along and do something different than the
> 1st person did.
>
>
>
> I may not *want* to send every splicer for Vetro’s training, but I have
> the option.  If the person who understood the spreadsheets is gone, then we
> have to reverse engineer whatever the heck that person was doing.
>
> The one feature on a spreadsheet that might sell it for me is that you can
> put comments and notes on any cell, so if something is ever weird or
> unclear you could type up an explanation as a sticky note that pops up when
> you click the cell.  I wish every piece of software would let you do that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown 
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2022 1:34 PM
> *To:* dmmoff...@gmail.com; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' <
> af@af.afmug.com>; 'Josh Luthman' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation
>
>
>
> The fancy expensive software looks nice, but it is a bear to learn and
> keep up in my experience.  You have to have someone get the training and
> then when they leave the company nobody knows how to use it.  I have been
> through this several times.  If you can get the record maint being done by
> the splicers then it works and splicers can easily learn spreadsheet
> documentation.  But do you really want to send your splicers to Mapcom for
> a week to learn the system?
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 11:31 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' ; 'Josh Luthman'
>
> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation
>
>
>
> Whatever you do works best if the people know how to use it and keep it up
> to date.
>
>
>
> There are definitely people paying for fiber mapping software who then
> only have partial data in it which they then mingle with institutional
> memory and personal knowledge, which is only slightly better than no
> documentation.
>
>
>
> I guess the problem I see with a spreadsheet specifically is that the
> person filling in the data has to know what to put in, and the person
> reading it has to know what all of your notations mean.  When I tried the
> spreadsheet method as a complete noob it was had to know exactly how to
> structure it and what I should put in the cells.   If you buy the software
> then someone else has built the scaffolding for you.  The trick then is
> getting everyone to put the data in and keep it up to date.  And to be
> clear, I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with the spreadsheet method,
> I’m saying it probably works for you because you have practice at it, and
> maybe you’re building upon a history of working with paper cable books in a
> 3-ring binder.  For a complete neophyte, it might be just as well to learn
> a software package.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 07, 2022 10:25 AM
> *To:* Josh Luthman ; AnimalFarm Microwave
> Users Group 
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation
>
>
>
> I can document a case in an email:
>
> 144 Route 0 1-48  -> 1-48 Route C
>
> 144 Route 0 49-60 –>  1-12 Route D
>
> 144 Route 0 61-132 0-> 1-72 Route B
>
> 144 Route 0 133-144 –> 1-12 Route A
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 7, 2022 8:14 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Documentation
>
>
>
> That doesn't tell you how to do a case at all?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 5:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Here is a page from mine.
>
>
>
> I have a patch panel in my Central office connected to my 576 strand
> cable.  Kinda the MDF in copper telecom terminology.
>
>
>
> Strand 397 on the patch panel and of the 576 strand cable is spliced to
> strand 253 of my 432 strand cable at my 00 hand hole.  (can’t see the 00 on
> this sheet)
>
>
>
> Then it runs down the road on the SR36 route to the Canyon Road hand hole.
>
>
>
> In that handhole there is a splitter connected to strand 253 of the 432.
>
>
>
> The 32nd output of that splitter is connected to the 32nd strand of the
> Canyon Road 48 strand cable and serves a customer named Ben Garrard.
>
>
>
> And I can tell you all of this detail by just a glance at this single page
> of my cable book.  And it is free...
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 6, 2022 1:18 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Splice Documentation
>
>
>
> Revisiting this.
>
>
>
> I've been trying to find something besides spreadsheets to document
> splices / splice cases, but cannot find anything that isn't an
> all-inclusive package with a matching monthly 

Re: [AFMUG] Netflix

[Ryan Ray]

We have a few installed in the network and they're not 4Gb/s or 6 hours
typically.

[image: image.png]
[image: image.png]

They are still available if you have the traffic levels or network
requirements for them.


On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 10:45 AM Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> I have installed a few of them they will pull down around 4G for about
> 6hrs a day. You as well have to direct peer with them before they will hand
> it out.
> On 6/10/2022 2:29 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> why is netflix so stingy with those, arent they just caching servers, or
> does the entire catalog come over?
> My kids already watched the new stranger things season like 4 times, Id
> like a consumer version
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:05 PM Zach Underwood 
> wrote:
>
>> Do you have 5gbps of peak Netflix traffic? if not you probably would not
>> be able to get an onsite box
>> https://openconnect.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360034538352
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 2:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago, getting a Netflix content server was considered a major feat
>>> and definitely something to strive for.
>>> Is this still a thing?  Are they still available?  Still worth pursuing?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Door Access Control System (self-install, self-hosted)

[Ryan Ray]

As you've found. The security market is deliberately set up so you need to
be a distributor or an integrator to get access to any of the good stuff.

I'd recommend finding someone you can trust to help you with design and
ordering. I've had a hell of a time trying to find solutions for Alarming,
Access Control and Video Cameras.

We landed on EntraPass Corporate Edition Security Software (kantech.com)
 + DSC + Avigilon



On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 11:02 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Before I get pissed and just make something (which is how many of my
> products start).
>
> Is there a good door access system which meets the following requirements:
>
> 1) I can actually buy as a mere mortal and not a "security system
> installer"
> 2) Is self-hosted and doesn't require an internet connection to operate
> 3) Supports both keypad and NFC card and/or phone access
>
> Mainly I'm looking for a good old-fashioned door access system where I can
> put a door controller in and put a latch lock on the door and have staff
> come and go either with some sort of NFC access or have a keypad to enter
> (if someone forgets their NFC or for third-party access to the facility
> where needed).
>
> It seems like either I have to be an installer, or it has to be an
> internet-connected thing, or has a monthly fee.
>
> I am aware of the unifi stuff from UBNT, not sure how I feel about that,
> but if I don't find another option, I'll give that a try.   If someone has
> that in place, let me know as I'm curious how well it works.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] LENT

[Ryan Ray]

I'm itchin' for my F150 Lightning order. I really really want that vehicle.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:33 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> I owned a Model 3 for less than a week and returned it due to build
> quality issues and phantom braking. I'm in a Q8 now.
>
> You better not say anything bad about the company or the car or you'll
> never get support.
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:32 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Is this coming from a Tesla owner?
>>
>> Tesla owners I know don’t say anything bad about the car or company.
>>
>> *From:* Ryan Ray
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:45 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>
>> Are you not concerned at all regarding build quality or longevity with a
>> company that hasn't been forthright about existing issues, poor warranty
>> experiences, and don't seem to generally care about their customer service
>> or customer in general?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe try to buy a used one... I
>>> have some time to cancel this order...  I am a cheap bugger.  This might be
>>> the last car I ever buy, so maybe I do want the new one?
>>>
>>> *From:* Robert
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>>
>>> We will be coming on the end of our Model 3 lease in September, which,
>>> after so many delivery date changes ( one of which would have been three
>>> months ago! ) corresponds to the delivery date of the Model Y.   Getting
>>> into and out of the 3 was just too much for these knees, which are now
>>> being replaced.   We have really enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I
>>> think the full autopilot is just another Musk Troll that fanboys are
>>> willing to throw money at.   I am seriously tempted to flip it, if the
>>> prices for used stay this high.  $20K over our price would be hard to
>>> refuse, with the likely reduction in lead times in the next year or so as
>>> the factories ramp up.
>>>
>>> On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
>>>
>>> Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with your Tesla, our Model Y is
>>> is 2 years old today and its been a great experience. The wife’s car and I
>>> still have the gas guzzling 911!
>>>
>>> Peace out.
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Model 3  They predict Sept to December delivery.  $46K  375 mile range I
>>> think.  I really like the cruise control.  It does lane keeping so I really
>>> don’t see a use for an autopilot.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>>
>>> Which Tesla did you go for? What are they saying for lead time?
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, I started it.
>>>
>>> Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve show.  Ken and
>>> Lewis used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore.  But we do
>>> have the OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap out.
>>>
>>>
>>> But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled the guys that need
>>> trolling.  Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic comments.
>>>
>>> So it is now dead until Lent is over.  Next year’s lent.
>>>
>>> BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla.  My 4th Leaf lease is coming due in
>>> July so I took the leap.  Did a test drive today and really loved it.  I
>>> loved the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of
>>> enjoyment.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] LENT

[Ryan Ray]

I owned a Model 3 for less than a week and returned it due to build quality
issues and phantom braking. I'm in a Q8 now.

You better not say anything bad about the company or the car or you'll
never get support.

On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 10:32 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Is this coming from a Tesla owner?
>
> Tesla owners I know don’t say anything bad about the car or company.
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 26, 2022 10:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>
> Are you not concerned at all regarding build quality or longevity with a
> company that hasn't been forthright about existing issues, poor warranty
> experiences, and don't seem to generally care about their customer service
> or customer in general?
>
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe try to buy a used one... I
>> have some time to cancel this order...  I am a cheap bugger.  This might be
>> the last car I ever buy, so maybe I do want the new one?
>>
>> *From:* Robert
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>
>> We will be coming on the end of our Model 3 lease in September, which,
>> after so many delivery date changes ( one of which would have been three
>> months ago! ) corresponds to the delivery date of the Model Y.   Getting
>> into and out of the 3 was just too much for these knees, which are now
>> being replaced.   We have really enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I
>> think the full autopilot is just another Musk Troll that fanboys are
>> willing to throw money at.   I am seriously tempted to flip it, if the
>> prices for used stay this high.  $20K over our price would be hard to
>> refuse, with the likely reduction in lead times in the next year or so as
>> the factories ramp up.
>>
>> On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
>>
>> Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with your Tesla, our Model Y is
>> is 2 years old today and its been a great experience. The wife’s car and I
>> still have the gas guzzling 911!
>>
>> Peace out.
>>
>> On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Model 3  They predict Sept to December delivery.  $46K  375 mile range I
>> think.  I really like the cruise control.  It does lane keeping so I really
>> don’t see a use for an autopilot.
>>
>> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>>
>> Which Tesla did you go for? What are they saying for lead time?
>>
>>
>> On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I started it.
>>
>> Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve show.  Ken and Lewis
>> used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore.  But we do have the
>> OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap out.
>>
>> But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled the guys that need
>> trolling.  Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic comments.
>>
>> So it is now dead until Lent is over.  Next year’s lent.
>>
>> BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla.  My 4th Leaf lease is coming due in July
>> so I took the leap.  Did a test drive today and really loved it.  I loved
>> the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of enjoyment.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] LENT

[Ryan Ray]

Are you not concerned at all regarding build quality or longevity with a
company that hasn't been forthright about existing issues, poor warranty
experiences, and don't seem to generally care about their customer service
or customer in general?


On Wed, May 25, 2022 at 5:47 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I am starting to have second thoughts, maybe try to buy a used one... I
> have some time to cancel this order...  I am a cheap bugger.  This might be
> the last car I ever buy, so maybe I do want the new one?
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 6:28 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>
> We will be coming on the end of our Model 3 lease in September, which,
> after so many delivery date changes ( one of which would have been three
> months ago! ) corresponds to the delivery date of the Model Y.   Getting
> into and out of the 3 was just too much for these knees, which are now
> being replaced.   We have really enjoyed all of the Model 3 features and I
> think the full autopilot is just another Musk Troll that fanboys are
> willing to throw money at.   I am seriously tempted to flip it, if the
> prices for used stay this high.  $20K over our price would be hard to
> refuse, with the likely reduction in lead times in the next year or so as
> the factories ramp up.
>
> On 5/25/22 5:04 PM, Tim Hardy wrote:
>
> Glad that shit is over. You’ll be happy with your Tesla, our Model Y is is
> 2 years old today and its been a great experience. The wife’s car and I
> still have the gas guzzling 911!
>
> Peace out.
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 6:35 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Model 3  They predict Sept to December delivery.  $46K  375 mile range I
> think.  I really like the cruise control.  It does lane keeping so I really
> don’t see a use for an autopilot.
>
> *From:* Cassidy B. Larson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 25, 2022 4:31 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] LENT
>
> Which Tesla did you go for? What are they saying for lead time?
>
>
> On May 25, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Sorry, I started it.
>
> Sometimes it is amusing to watch the Jaime and Steve show.  Ken and Lewis
> used to join in too but they couldn’t take it anymore.  But we do have the
> OT in the subject line so you can filter this kind of crap out.
>
> But yeah, I think we have all vented now, and trolled the guys that need
> trolling.  Steve and Jaime got to make their hyperbolic comments.
>
> So it is now dead until Lent is over.  Next year’s lent.
>
> BTW everyone, I ordered a Tesla.  My 4th Leaf lease is coming due in July
> so I took the leap.  Did a test drive today and really loved it.  I loved
> the last 10 years of Leafs too but man this is a quantum leap of enjoyment.
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP PTP Throughput

[Ryan Ray]

You'll be right on the edge. Should work.

On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 8:25 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I need to do a 1 mile PTP hop on the cheap.  Only looking for ~100mb.  I
> have a set of EPMP Force 200 radios on the shelf.  Can I get 100mb out
> of a 20mhz channel in ePTP Mode with a pair of Force200s?  I'm pretty
> sure a set of Force300's could do it, but the boss want's me to use some
> old stock inventory for this.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] List status

[Ryan Ray]

I logged in too and see there was a flurry of activity this month.

It seems like the gmail issues have subsided over the last couple of days.
Like others, I wasn't receiving any messages from the list. It wasn't spam,
it was never arriving. Black holed.


On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 2:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> I don't know my password either, but BitWarden does.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/21/2022 2:39 PM, Andrew Haninger wrote:
> > Weather reports?
> >
> > You're supposed to be able to log in and view the list archives, but I
> > don't know my password and can't get a reminder sent.
> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/private/af_af.afmug.com/
> >
> > Maybe I'm not a list member?
> >
> > There's also this.
> > https://www.mail-archive.com/af@af.afmug.com/
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 5:27 PM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
> >> I posted some cool stuff..dang
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 7:49 AM  wrote:
> >>> I have a gap in list messages between 3/31 and 4/20.  I thought the
> list had finally died it’s final death.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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[AFMUG] Happy Easter

[Ryan Ray]

2 weeks without a message is too long.
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Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[Ryan Ray]

https://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/virtuora

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:44 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.
> https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Roadm?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
>>> there something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each
>>> wavelength?
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Merging Data

[Ryan Ray]

Do you have any software developers on staff? This should be pretty trivial
for them.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 1:53 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> regex and xlookup solves your issue
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 1:41 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like a great project to learn python on.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 1:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, hacking away.  Mix of first name last and last name first.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Dec 19, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> If the data isn't normalized, you are in for a lot of manual labor.
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 12/19/2021 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> My main problem is I don’t have consistent key field data.  In one list
>>> names may have a middle initial or a middle initial with a period, it is
>>> totally missing in other lists or sporadically missing.  Ditto addresses.
>>> But I am hacking away at it.  I have something usable now.
>>>
>>> Chuck McCown
>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>>> 801-250-9503
>>> 435-830-4306 cell
>>> www.mccowntech.com
>>> www.microtrench-blades.com
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 19, 2021 10:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Merging Data
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>>
>>> If KEY fields match between data sets then VLOOKUP is the way to go.  I
>>> think the new XLOOKUP is an enhanced option of VLOOKUP
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>
>>> Myakka Communications
>>> www.Myakka.com
>>>
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>>> Sunday, December 19, 2021, 12:23:28 PM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That's what you have to do. I remember I just did multiple pages in one
>>> spreadsheet and it was a ton of sort commands and then the merging. I
>>> recall it does it all on the clip board and it's real easy to deselect the
>>> data for merging.
>>>
>>> I remember exporting data as csv helped by using notepad++ where I
>>> needed random blank cells added to get it in the right format. I dont
>>> remember the notepad++ plugin I had to use for that.
>>>
>>> Excel projects suck. Spend 30 hours learning to master a specific task
>>> that takes 2 minutes to perform and you will not remember how to do 2 years
>>> later when you need to do it again
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 11:39 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> I would start with a 4th spreadsheet with all the columns you need
>>> (names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses).
>>> Then the challenge is the merge.
>>> Try something like this:
>>> https://community.powerbi.com/t5/Desktop/Combine-multiple-excel-files-with-different-structure-columns/td-p/1372702
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> On 12/18/2021 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I have at least three files I need to merge.  Spreadsheets.
>>>
>>> Say one has names and addresses
>>> One has addresses and phone numbers
>>> One has phone numbers and email addresses
>>>
>>> They are not the same length of file so certain records are missing in
>>> all three files.
>>> There is something common to allow one file to be merged into at least
>>> one of the other files.
>>>
>>> I really don’t want to write code to parse and search.
>>> I am hopeful there is some kind of feature in excel that could do this.
>>> Or I guess I might be able to fire up a database and make it happen.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Merging Data

[Ryan Ray]

regex and xlookup solves your issue

On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 1:41 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Sounds like a great project to learn python on.
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2021, 1:18 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> Yes, hacking away.  Mix of first name last and last name first.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 19, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> If the data isn't normalized, you are in for a lot of manual labor.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 12/19/2021 9:55 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>> My main problem is I don’t have consistent key field data.  In one list
>> names may have a middle initial or a middle initial with a period, it is
>> totally missing in other lists or sporadically missing.  Ditto addresses.
>> But I am hacking away at it.  I have something usable now.
>>
>> Chuck McCown
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> 801-250-9503
>> 435-830-4306 cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench-blades.com
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 19, 2021 10:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Merging Data
>>
>> Steve,
>>
>> If KEY fields match between data sets then VLOOKUP is the way to go.  I
>> think the new XLOOKUP is an enhanced option of VLOOKUP
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sunday, December 19, 2021, 12:23:28 PM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's what you have to do. I remember I just did multiple pages in one
>> spreadsheet and it was a ton of sort commands and then the merging. I
>> recall it does it all on the clip board and it's real easy to deselect the
>> data for merging.
>>
>> I remember exporting data as csv helped by using notepad++ where I needed
>> random blank cells added to get it in the right format. I dont remember the
>> notepad++ plugin I had to use for that.
>>
>> Excel projects suck. Spend 30 hours learning to master a specific task
>> that takes 2 minutes to perform and you will not remember how to do 2 years
>> later when you need to do it again
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 18, 2021, 11:39 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> I would start with a 4th spreadsheet with all the columns you need
>> (names, addresses, phone numbers, and email addresses).
>> Then the challenge is the merge.
>> Try something like this:
>> https://community.powerbi.com/t5/Desktop/Combine-multiple-excel-files-with-different-structure-columns/td-p/1372702
>> bp
>> 
>> On 12/18/2021 9:02 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have at least three files I need to merge.  Spreadsheets.
>>
>> Say one has names and addresses
>> One has addresses and phone numbers
>> One has phone numbers and email addresses
>>
>> They are not the same length of file so certain records are missing in
>> all three files.
>> There is something common to allow one file to be merged into at least
>> one of the other files.
>>
>> I really don’t want to write code to parse and search.
>> I am hopeful there is some kind of feature in excel that could do this.
>> Or I guess I might be able to fire up a database and make it happen.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Chrome and saved Credit Card info

[Ryan Ray]

Use 1password instead of browser saving.


On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 8:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> When does the 'never' popup?  My browser just shows me the autocomplete
> list when I click on a field, be it address, or Ccard.  The only option is
> to 'manage' which goes to the Chrome settings page which just has a global
> on/off button.
>
> I've seen the 'never for this site' popup when saving passwords, but not
> for other information.
>
> On 11/17/2021 10:27 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> When it asks to autofill on blastcomm.sonar.com hit NEVER.  It should
> never ask for blastcomm.sonar.com.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 10:39 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> So I might be lazy, but I appreciate that Chrome saves my ccard info and
>> will autofill it into sites that I buy things from.
>>
>> However, when I'm entering customer Ccard info into Sonar, it always
>> wants me to choose one of my CCards to autofill, then Chrome wants to
>> save the customers ccard info after completion.  Googling didn't seem to
>> come up with a way to have certain sites exempt from the ccard
>> autofill/save.  It seems like this would be a big problem for any
>> company that does payment entry.  Am I missing a simple setting?
>> (without disabling it entirely)
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Re: [AFMUG] Security System

[Ryan Ray]

lol, I will never use Ubiquiti.

On Tue, Nov 9, 2021 at 12:54 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> Have you looked at ubiquiti?
> On 11/9/21 12:12, Ryan Ray wrote:
>
> Anyone have any recommendations for a new Camera, Access Control +
> Security for approx 40 sites? Including smaller CO buildings.
>
> Subscribed to ipvm.com trying to get some insights into the industry, and
> it seems extremely locked down unless we can find a company who is
> partnered with DSC, alarm.com, whoever, but then they want to do all the
> installations as well, until they hear they'll have to travel 2000+km to
> remote sites, then they don't want to work with us anymore and things get
> stalled out.
>
> We can do the installations ourselves, just need a good solution.
> Preferably on prem, integrated with AD.
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[AFMUG] Security System

[Ryan Ray]

Anyone have any recommendations for a new Camera, Access Control + Security
for approx 40 sites? Including smaller CO buildings.

Subscribed to ipvm.com trying to get some insights into the industry, and
it seems extremely locked down unless we can find a company who is
partnered with DSC, alarm.com, whoever, but then they want to do all the
installations as well, until they hear they'll have to travel 2000+km to
remote sites, then they don't want to work with us anymore and things get
stalled out.

We can do the installations ourselves, just need a good solution.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1

[Ryan Ray]

Sounds like normal business to me.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 10:25 AM James Howard  wrote:

> One of those deals where the salesman tells everybody that “I gave you a
> lower price than ANYONE else gets so don’t tell anyone what you’re paying
> because they’ll complain and I’ll get in trouble and have to raise your
> prices” hoping that nobody will compare notes?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 2, 2021 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> There's a minimum.  It's not too hateful.
>
>
>
> I don't feel comfortable with posting what we're paying...
>
>
>
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> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 5:34 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Seems it was so much per sub and a minimum.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ryan Ray
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 3:19 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Prices are negotiable. Call Calix and start a conversation.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 2:01 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> What does Calex get per month to manage the gigaspires?  What are the
> minimums.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 1, 2021 2:25 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Well a GS4227 is a gigaspire u6xso that being close it's probably the
> same WiFi deal.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 12:56 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
> That is typical with the U6, Jan.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:07 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> The label says Gigaspire GS4220E.  I'm impressed, just got in from another
> install.  The in room signal was at -32db, the backroom was at -32db.  The
> air-Cube was in room -32db the back room was at -50db.  I used the wifi
> analyzer app on my android to measure the signal.  I don't believe the test
> results.  Never seen a no-loss through walls before.  I must have
> screwed-up.  Both units were mounted at same place.
>
> On 10/29/21 13:25, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Was it a Gigaspire u6?
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 4:10 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:
>
> We're replacing aircubes with gigaspires, a calix product.  A job I went
> to yesterday had a frontier router(now zipley) that was barely reaching a
> back-bedroom with -78db.  The Calix gigaspire showed -60db in that room.
> The aircubes which I haven't had a chance to compare to a gigaspire yet
> we're hands down better than airrouters and a little better than the
> air-routers LR which I had thought were pretty good devices as they were
> better than tplinks.  The sense of using a $300 unit to replace a new $27
> unit makes none to me, but it does come with a fancy phone app.  The ROI is
> over a year IMHO.
>
> On 10/29/21 11:28, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I supposedly have the fountain of youth in my back yard.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2021 12:03 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
>
>
> Supposably 300 mbps under those conditions
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <https://aeronetpr.com/>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> Founder / President
> @GVillarini
> 787.273.4143 |
>
> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet>
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr>
>
> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/>
>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>
>
> <https://twitter.com/aeronetpr>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/user/AeroNetPR>
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> <https://homefi.pr/>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of dmmoff...@gmail.com <
> dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Friday, October 29, 2021 at 10:54 AM
> *To: *'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tarana G1
>
> It might be a good link, but 6db won’t give you good system capacity.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, October 29, 2021 10:25 AM
> *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT Air Tags

[Ryan Ray]

Airtags utilize other iphones using bluetooth. If someone has their iphone
enabled with "Find My" then their device participates in the network to
find your airtag.



On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:45 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Being lazy and not wanting to do the research.
> How do the air tags work.  In other words, how do they get connectivity to
> the world.  Most of the stuff I have read talks about blue tooth but that
> isnt worth anything over distance.
>
> I rent out some construction equipment and I am thinking of putting them
> on the equipment.  But I need a better understanding.
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Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP

[Ryan Ray]

We use Calix extensively and are seeing issues with 2.4GHz and the new U6x
(2.5G SFP) hardware. Router says the band is on and ready to connect, but
no devices work.

I'm sure it's just a software issue, but the 844g/e platform before it has
been very good.

I'm getting a little annoyed with CMS lately. Hard to pull metrics or
report on what's going on in my network in a quick and easy fashion. It
needs an overhaul pretty desperately.

Calix is a good all around platform, and we're happy to continue using them
for the foreseeable future.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:26 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> chromosomal status, eliminate men and women from the equation. problem
> solved
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:56 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> For whatever reason, this reminds me of a podcast I listened to this
>> morning.  Has to do with how the Olympics are trying to deal with women
>> that might not be full on women.  Been dealing with it for decades.
>> (Remember the USSR women weight lifters in the 1960s)?
>> They still don’t totally have it down but are getting closer.
>> Fascinating:
>> https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dutee
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 11:06 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>
>> i read the losers' editorial in their college rag. I so wanted to choke
>> this entitled little tool. Their lack of understanding how the world
>> actually functions really concerns me for the future of the planet.
>> COVID was supposed to resolve much of that issue, I can only hope for
>> airborn Ebola
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 1:08 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hell, we had kids with rifles and handguns in their lockers during deer
>>> season.  Teachers too.
>>> Very few kids turned out to be snowflakes.  A few fistfights now and
>>> then gives you grit.
>>>
>>> And the funny thing to me is, the guys of my father’s generator that
>>> fought WW2 (and my great uncle WW1) were tougher than the hubs of hell
>>> compared to my generation.
>>>
>>> I think we are seeing devolution.  I read a junk news piece a couple of
>>> days ago that a college student was triggered because a cis gendered man
>>> came to the dorms to replace a radiator.  They thought that was some kind
>>> of a crime I guess.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 11:58 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>> Yeah, we didn’t know how good we had it when all we had to do was go sit
>>> in the school hallway and practice kissing our ass goodby.Now the kids
>>> get to worry about which loser is going to shoot the school up.
>>>
>>> Of course in the 70’s 3/4 of the pickup trucks in the parking lot (which
>>> was 3/4 of the vehicles) had hunting rifles and shotguns hanging in them.
>>> You really didn’t want to give everyone an excuse to start shooting at you.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The good old days.  They eject one of our ambassadors and we eject one
>>> of theirs.  Firey speeches, defections.  Only one real enemy.  Life was
>>> good and we didn’t even know it.
>>>
>>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 10:07 AM
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>> *Cc:* 'Chuck McCown'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>>
>>> He is Mikhail Hammetovich.  Soviet sleeper agent.
>>>
>>> Embedded for cold war.  Still ready to activate if Mother Russia calls.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> …..or Google is a dumb machine with just enough logic built in to trick
>>> us into thinking it’s smart sometimes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is your name really Mike?  Do you know Mandarin?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 9:52 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] E7-2 GPON and VOIP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Interesting. I sent to my own GMail account and it worked as one would
>>> expect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <~WRD0001.jpg>
>>> 
>>> <~WRD0001.jpg>
>>> 
>>> <~WRD0001.jpg> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> <~WRD0001.jpg> <~WRD0001.jpg>
>>> 
>>> <~WRD0001.jpg> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 

[AFMUG] Best SCADA system?

[Ryan Ray]

Who has the best environmental monitoring system on the market? Including
software?

Couple nominations?

https://dpstele.com
https://flexscada.com
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Re: [AFMUG] extending Calix GPON via RF

[Ryan Ray]

I'd have to imagine the timing would get considerably screwed up and you'd
end up with rogue ONT errors constantly.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2021 at 9:23 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Not saying you could convey a full gpon traffic load.  But if you could
> just have a few ONTs stretched out there via RF it would be very handy.  It
> seems pretty simple as a block diagram.  Just a pair of the ONT SFPs and
> then convert that to ethernet.  As long as the timing was tight enough I
> think it would work.  Have to make sure to limit the rate on the ONT to not
> be able to swamp the channel.  Not sure if that is done in the ONT or not
> on  GPON system.  If not an external switch with rate limiting would have
> to be used.
>
> I would guess there is too much latency to keep the system happy.  Pretty
> sure the ONT transmit timing is some kind of polling system and probably
> expects microsecond response times.  That would have to be spoofed probably
> .  I wonder if the ONT receiving is essentially a tagging scheme with no
> sync issues to worry about.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 8, 2021 8:41 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] extending Calix GPON via RF
>
>
> Is it even possible?  How wide is an optical channel?  They space them
> 20nm apart, and that's gonna be around 2ghz of spacing between channels.
> That doesn't mean the channel is 2ghz wide, but it might be "up to" that
> big and you'd need that full duplex.  I mean RFOG puts a whole cable TV
> system on one wave right?  So if they're not a full 2ghz channel they're
> still pretty big. What radio band would give you a pair of ginormous
> channels like that?
>
>
> On 9/8/2021 4:57 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> I've looked but never found such a beast.  i would love this, even for a
> few hundred meters.  Look into an E3 GPON.  Easier than a full cabinet
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2021 at 2:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I am sure this has been discussed before but not finding it.
>>
>> I need to extend service to a small cluster of new homes being built.
>> About 18 homes.
>> Too far to get there with fiber right now.  Maybe in a few years.
>>
>> So I want to extend my system up to them.  Will take a repeater.  So need
>> to probably haul a gig up there on point to point.
>>
>> I would prefer to be able to serve these customers with Calix GPON.  I
>> could put an E2 system up there and feed it with ethernet.  But it seems
>> someone has come up with a way to extend an actual OLT/OIM type of signal
>> via RF and put it back on the fiber such that the ONU thinks it is talking
>> back to my E7-20 shelf at my C.O.
>>
>> Does any of this sound familiar?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Bill

[Ryan Ray]

Neat website. Smoke Forecast - FireSmoke.ca


On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 9:52 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I found the satellite photos interesting.  If you watch the loop carefully
> when the clouds get right over the hot spot a tail develops like they are
> dumping water.
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, August 6, 2021 10:47 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Bill
>
>
> We had that for quite some time last summer. Was not fun. In fact, we were
> also evacuated for the CZU fire last August. PG installed a fire watch
> camera at our house after the CZU fire had settled down, and we've watched
> flare-ups from it for (now) almost a year.
>
> Get used to it. It won't stop until we burn it all.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/6/2021 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> Keep your smoke to yourself.  It is like fog here.  Never seen out of
> state smoke so dense.  I am expecting freeway pileups.  And it all came in
> like a wall this morning.  Just clear sunny one moment then BAM.   Like
> those huge dust walls that cross Phoenix now and then.
>
> If you want to send us smoke, make sure it is the right kind of smoke...
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers

[Ryan Ray]

It's a nice feature if you can pull it off reliability and with ease when
an outage happens. I wouldn't want that alert going to every customer that
calls in though, but a way to check the status should be available, even if
it's almost always "no problems found"

I also don't like FB as a platform and don't give it much thought. We
should be thinking more about apps. Does anyone have a dedicated app and
what kind of things are you implementing for that?




On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 7:25 PM Jan-GAMs  wrote:

> I wouldn't use FB if it was the last available option on the planet, but I
> really like the PBX idea.  It's professional, courteous, and affords
> immediate response.
> On 4/14/21 5:58 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>
> For sure, some people won't receive the notification if their Internet
> from us is down (because they're not in cell coverage), but it's a very
> small percentage. They also won't receive an email (which more often than
> not goes to spam anyway). And most of the older generation (I'm in my 40's,
> so I'm speaking of my parents) are using iPads now anyway. Overall, using
> FB has been very effective at reaching a large percentage of our customer
> base. We do also update our IVR when we have outages so people calling get
> it there, but it happens more quickly on FB.
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
>
> On 4/14/21 5:23 PM, Jan-GAMs wrote:
>
> Some of our customers use cell phones, some live in areas where cell
> phones don't work and most of our customers are older than dirt.  Many use
> computers to communicate with the outside world.  No internet, their world
> is broken.
> On 4/14/21 3:35 PM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> The majority of our customers receive email/twitter and check Facebook
> from their phones.   In fact, I believe the majority of customers use their
> phone as their primary email platform.   Very few check email from
> computers anymore.  However this is skewed by age.  Older customers use the
> computer more than younger ones.   Customers in their 20s and 30s hardly
> ever touch a computer and receive email/twitter updates easily during an
> outage.  While their phones are set to use wifi, when it isn’t there they
> continue on cellular.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 14, 2021 5:30 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Notifying customers
>
>
>
> let's see, your customer is in an outage and your method of reaching out
> to them is via FB, email or twitter?  what's wrong with this picture?
>
> On 4/12/21 9:24 PM, Jesse DuPont wrote:
>
> We use a Facebook group and avoid posting anything except outages (planned
> or otherwise) so they stick on it.
> We will also do emails if we have a whole tower own for a planned outage.
>
> 
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
>
> On 4/12/21 8:39 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> We have an alerts group on facebook customers can opt into, we ha e Twilio
> half set up for powercode to message through, but it seems clunky,
> otherwise we just update server plus to handle inbound calls.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 9:31 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> Wow, Twitter?  I am not a Twitter user.  I wonder if my customers are?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 12, 2021, at 7:48 PM, Andrew Haninger  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Email and Twitter.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2021, 21:40 Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> What is the best way to notify customers of planned maintenance outages?
> Robocalls, text, email?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] So it begins agan

[Ryan Ray]

Just create another CBRS database and let's get a huge swath of spectrum
dedicated to PTMP without huge fees for rural areas. Lots of places where
we could service 700-800 people if only more spectrum was available and it
wouldn't impact anyone else in that band. If it does? Shut it off. Spectrum
feels like such a wasted resource. We could be doing so much more with it,
we understand how it propagates and software can now handle that on the fly
in order to allocate to as many people as possible. I honestly think a
fluid and dynamic database like this is the future of wireless.



On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 5:45 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

>
> https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/4/22312065/fcc-highspeed-broadband-service-ajit-pai-bennet-angus-king-rob-portman
> Meth and kickbacks. They need to just free up 500mhz-120ghz for just WISP
> use. Then each wisp can have a ton of spectrum to get that porn to every
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Re: [AFMUG] epmp force 425 current throughput

[Ryan Ray]

I believe those radios are 1024QAM so you should see faster speeds if you
can maintain that higher modulation.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 3:54 PM Dev  wrote:

> Spec sheet says they run 4.9-6.135GHz, but also: "Support of 5870 to 6135
> coming in a future software upgrade". So will there be different radios
> once 6GHz happens that take more advantage of higher 6GHz, or are these
> slated to eventually go higher in that band without new hardware?
>
> Assuming they’re just 5GHz radios for now, is there a speed advantage on a
> 20MHz channel over a Force 300 PtP in currently usable US bands, or some
> other advantage?
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Re: [AFMUG] WTB PMP450i 900 MHz AP

[Ryan Ray]

I'd be going back to Cambium on those. If your issue is actually due to
cold weather then there is a defect in the manufacturing process that needs
to get resolved.

When it warms up did they continue to boot?




On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:55 PM david.sovereen--- via AF 
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We had four APs on four towers spanning about 20 miles fail this morning.
> No storms, just really cold Wisconsin temperatures.  Found this:
>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/pmp450i-extreme-cold-weather-issues/59924/32
>
> I have only one spare on the shelf and need to get three more ASAP.  We
> weren’t investing in this platform anymore due to smart meters and a rising
> noise floor so it pains me to purchase three new APs to get my customers up
> and running.
>
> If anyone has these used or surplus and is looking to offload some, I’m
> very interested.  I’ll need them shipped overnight service (can use our UPS
> account) on Monday so we get them Tuesday.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> *David Sovereen*
>
> Mercury Network Corporation
> 1011 Washington Street, Manitowoc, WI 54220
> 920.686.4800 x151 office | 888.866.4638 toll free | 920.686.4804 fax
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Re: [AFMUG] lotsa bounces today

[Ryan Ray]

guess we can blame it on trump, trump ruins lives, it's ok though it's all
fixed, america is healing. God bless the afmug mailing list.


On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 8:49 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Are they  illegal?
>
> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021, 10:46 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> We are having email bouncing issues as well. Has been happening for a few
>> days now. Stupid Aliens.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 2:26 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For some it did.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 29, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> did the list die?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 6:59 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Not saying it's Aliens but it's Aliens

 On Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 1:02 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

> Something is causing af emails to bounce off a bunch of you guys
> today.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video

[Ryan Ray]

I like Plex as well. A lot of the streaming services are solely focused on
keeping you focused in so you watch more.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 3:11 PM Zach Underwood  wrote:

> I think Plex handle this really well. When you pause something it will
> freeze the screen when some a button bar on the lower 1/3 then after a few
> sec the button bar goes away. Then if you press down button will bring up a
> screen overlay that will have cast info and description info.
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 6:03 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
>> I think it was the second star wars movie.  Princess Leia was a prisoner
>> of
>> the big fat things.  I was pretty sure I saw a nipple when she was
>> struggling.  Later we rented the VHS and I stepped through it.  Pretty
>> sure
>> there was a nipple there.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Nate Burke
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2021 3:53 PM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Today's poor kids and streaming video
>>
>> Am I the only one that's annoyed when you pause a video stream, they dim
>> the screen and pop up other information.  How are you supposed to pause
>> for the juicy bits?  And what about stepping through a scene frame by
>> frame?  Today's poor kids probably have no concept of stepping through
>> frame by frame.I mean at least the 2000's kids could pause the clear
>> frame on the DVD and not having all the VHS tracking lines on the screen
>> like I grew up with.
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Re: [AFMUG] packetflux flummox

[Ryan Ray]

This is a great explanation Forrest. It's why I continue to use Packetlfux
products.

On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The explanation of what I think is going on is a bit hard to describe:
>
> The base unit draws power from the highest voltage supply attached to the
> device using diodes to select between them.  Where two supplies are roughly
> the same voltage it is sort of random which it considers the highest
> voltage since there are some diode tolerances involved - and if they are
> really close there is a possibility that it will pull from both.
>
> When your power source failed, the wall wart was still most likely
> providing intermittent bursts of 12V, which the base unit was trying to use
> 100%, which would force the wall wart to drop power since it didn't really
> have much power available.   I'm guessing if you had connected something
> like an oscilloscope to the wall wart input you would have seen voltages
> alternating between some low voltage and 12V fairly rapidly.  The
> sitemonitor averages this long enough that you probably were seeing 8V
> because that was the average.  Or stated differently:  The wall wart would
> put out 12V, the base unit would try to use that since it was higher than
> your battery voltage, which would cause the wall wart to fail because it
> didn't have adequate input voltage, which would cause the base unit to
> switch back to the battery which would cause the wall wart to produce 12V
> again, which the base unit would use again, and the cycle would repeat,
> with an average voltage of ~8V.
>
> I'm guessing what is going on now is that the same thing is going on
> except that for whatever reason the wall wart is not dropping down below
> 12V like it was.   Another mode that a wall wart with insufficient power
> can get into is that it raises it's voltage to just at the point that it
> provides some of the power to the sitemonitor and the battery provides the
> rest.  If it tries to provide more, the sitemonitor will pull more power
> from it, causing the voltage to drop.   So at this point, it seems like the
> wall-wart has switched to this 'tracking' mode for some reason - maybe
> there's a bit more or less power.
>
> I guess the executive summary would be that what you're seeing isn't 100%
> unexpected in the case where the wall-wart isn't being powered correctly
> but hasn't completely lost power.
>
> On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 7:34 PM Rob Genovesi 
> wrote:
>
>> Apologies in advance for the lengthy explanation, but hoping the
>> hivemind can help explain what might be happening here:
>>
>> We use packetflux sitemonitors to monitor utility power status and
>> battery voltage at many sites.
>>
>> Pwr1 is wired into a 12V wall wart power supply plugged into utility
>> power.
>>
>> Pwr2 is wired to batteries of UPS.
>>
>> Pwr1 typically reads ~12V if the power is on and 0 when utility power
>> is lost and we know we are running on batteries.  The other day is
>> started reading 8V so we new something was not right with utility
>> power.
>>
>> The battery voltage started falling, confirming utility power issue,
>> so a tech went to the site and plugged in a generator.
>>
>> As soon as the generator was plugged in Pwr1 went back up to 12V (even
>> though utility power was still funked).  A meter on the AC confirmed
>> only 60VAC.
>>
>> Ever since then Pwr1 (AC) has followed the same readings as Pwr2 -
>> nearly 12V when the generator is running but once the generator quits
>> the voltage reading of Pwr1 drops and starts descending as the
>> batteries discharge.
>>
>> Attached is a screen shot of our monitoring of these events.
>>
>> Had the tech unplug the wall wart and Pwr1 went to 0V.
>>
>> I thought Pwr1 and Pwr2 were isolated from each other and not sure why
>> Pwr1 would start acting this way?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any thoughts.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:48 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The route filters is one.
>
> There certainly are others, but I've had the same experiences with brand
> new iron with support contracts. Shit happens.
>
>
> Saying the platform isn't stable is disingenuous when there are many
> people using it successfully in a variety of environments.
>
>
>
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> *From: *"Ryan Ray" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, January 19, 2021 11:44:33 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run
> into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut
> services on or off or bring an interface down then up.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable
>> on the Long Term branches.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
>>> day erry day.
>>> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
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>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Dev" 
>>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>>>>
>>>>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT,
>>>>> a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People
>>>>> are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper
>>>>> doesn’t, that’s the difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Josh Baird
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

I think you're being disingenuous if you're saying that you have never run
into an error or bug on Mikrotik where the only fix is a reboot or to shut
services on or off or bring an interface down then up.



On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 9:36 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on
> the Long Term branches.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
>> day erry day.
>> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>>> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
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>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
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>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
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>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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>>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>>>
>>>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT,
>>>> a lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People
>>>> are surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper
>>>> doesn’t, that’s the difference.
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Baird
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

That's cool, I'm happy for you. In our experience Mikrotik isn't stable on
the Long Term branches.


On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 8:34 AM Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Yet some of us run hundreds of tik routers and 16 plus gb of traffic all
> day erry day.
> It's about know how to make the tools work.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021, 3:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
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>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Dev" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>>
>>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a
>>> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are
>>> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t,
>>> that’s the difference.
>>>
>>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>>
>>> *From:* Josh Baird
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

Anything that doesn't stay up pretty much constantly without needing
reboots or services reset I would consider not stable.

Our OSPF and BGP on Mikrotik has not been flawless, but it has been
flawless on our juniper mx204 edge routers.

On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 1:06 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> There are definitely some weak spots (route filters can be finicky and
> sometimes require senseless manipulation to recover from), but I wouldn't
> say it's not stable.
>
>
>
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 3:03:20 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> Cause it's not a stable platform.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>>
>> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a
>> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are
>> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t,
>> that’s the difference.
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>>
>> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>>
>> *From:* Josh Baird
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] router programming

[Ryan Ray]

Cause it's not a stable platform.


On Mon, Jan 18, 2021 at 12:22 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Why would you be surprised when Mikrotik worked?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Monday, January 18, 2021 2:20:23 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router programming
>
> Even used Juniper gear will lead to far less sleepless nights than MT, a
> lot easier to find experts too. And they’re just…less Mikrotiky. People are
> surprised when Mikrotik works, people are surprised when Juniper doesn’t,
> that’s the difference.
>
> On Jan 18, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>
> I use it for my FTTH delivery system.  GPON.
>
> *From:* Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2021 9:19 AM
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager

[Ryan Ray]

I'm just going to assume Matt doesn't have 10mil to throw to someone to day
trade. You can make 1000 a day pretty easily right now, but be aware of
what is happening in the markets.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:28 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Well, that depends, if you're playing with ten million or so, it probably
> is
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:37 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> I think we all know that $1000 per day isn't sustainable.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:23 AM Cameron Crum 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd say if any money manager plays with your money as often as you do,
>>> he either has very few clients, doesn't really know what he is doing, or is
>>> a crook. No good money manager will move your money around that much unless
>>> they are trying to create fees for themselves. It is just too risky and
>>> requires too much attention. If you can make 1000 a day, I would ask, why
>>> are you doing anything else? That is at least 22k/month with little
>>> overhead but the electricity to run a computer. Compounded, that is a
>>> pretty nice salary with very little effort. If I could make 1000/day every
>>> day with no overhead, I wouldn't be doing anything but that.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:12 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I got my IRA report and had 17 percent return last year. You can put
>>>> your money in my ira if you want
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:09 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bitcoin?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Gino*
>>>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>>>> @gvillarini
>>>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>>>> [image: aeronet-logo] <http://www.aeronetpr.com/> [image: inc500]
>>>>> <https://www.inc.com/profile/aeronet> [image: fb-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/aeronetpr/>  [image: insta-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.instagram.com/aeronetpr/?hl=en>  [image: in-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/aeronet-broadband-corp>  [image:
>>>>> tw-logo]
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/AeroNetPR?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor>
>>>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr2Q9WBrAYVm3Fn970Jd6VA>
>>>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *AF 
>>>>> *Date: *Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:56 AM
>>>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a sizeable amount of money sitting in a bank account right.
>>>>> This
>>>>> has been collected from various jobs that were rather ludicrous over
>>>>> the
>>>>> past year.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are several options for what we can do with these funds we
>>>>> can
>>>>> let them sit in a bank account until we need them and use them, and
>>>>> then
>>>>> go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or we can invest them (which I've started doing). However, this is one
>>>>> more thing to add to my plate of things to manage on a daily/weekly
>>>>> basis.
>>>>>
>>>>> Through investing in ETFs and purchasing Option Call/Puts I've been
>>>>> able
>>>>> to return about $1,000/day. This isn't consistent - but over a week a
>>>>> gain of several thousand is not out of the question. Even on a market
>>>>> red day like today, our portfolio is up.
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is, has anyone here either done it, or considered hiring a
>>>>> full-time person to essentially manage surplus cash and make it print
>>>>> more cash through investing? If done right, I feel like this could
>>>>> potentially finance a lot of future projects we want to build. Of
>>>>> course, hire the wrong person and you lose all that money...
>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager

[Ryan Ray]

I think we all know that $1000 per day isn't sustainable.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:23 AM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> I'd say if any money manager plays with your money as often as you do, he
> either has very few clients, doesn't really know what he is doing, or is a
> crook. No good money manager will move your money around that much unless
> they are trying to create fees for themselves. It is just too risky and
> requires too much attention. If you can make 1000 a day, I would ask, why
> are you doing anything else? That is at least 22k/month with little
> overhead but the electricity to run a computer. Compounded, that is a
> pretty nice salary with very little effort. If I could make 1000/day every
> day with no overhead, I wouldn't be doing anything but that.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:12 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I got my IRA report and had 17 percent return last year. You can put your
>> money in my ira if you want
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021, 1:09 PM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bitcoin?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>>   [image: in-logo]
>>>   [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF 
>>> *Date: *Monday, January 11, 2021 at 11:56 AM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Hiring a company fund manager
>>>
>>> We have a sizeable amount of money sitting in a bank account right. This
>>> has been collected from various jobs that were rather ludicrous over the
>>> past year.
>>>
>>> There are several options for what we can do with these funds we can
>>> let them sit in a bank account until we need them and use them, and then
>>> go away.
>>>
>>> Or we can invest them (which I've started doing). However, this is one
>>> more thing to add to my plate of things to manage on a daily/weekly
>>> basis.
>>>
>>> Through investing in ETFs and purchasing Option Call/Puts I've been able
>>> to return about $1,000/day. This isn't consistent - but over a week a
>>> gain of several thousand is not out of the question. Even on a market
>>> red day like today, our portfolio is up.
>>>
>>> My question is, has anyone here either done it, or considered hiring a
>>> full-time person to essentially manage surplus cash and make it print
>>> more cash through investing? If done right, I feel like this could
>>> potentially finance a lot of future projects we want to build. Of
>>> course, hire the wrong person and you lose all that money...
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

[Ryan Ray]

Can you calculate the severity of a Crown Royal hangover vs Tequila
hangover?


On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 12:19 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> When calculating the cost of a hangover, is a higher or lower dollar to
> misery ratio more desirable?
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 2:02 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> I dont care what anyone says, sapporo is superior to most everything.
>> Heineken takes a close second. using the math, i can drink 6 heinekens and
>> 6 sapporo in the same sitting and will not be able to differentiate which
>> cause the hangover. but that is a 6 in 12 probability that it was either
>> one or the other. Pricing between the two is similar, so it would be hard
>> to nail down the ounce cost per hour of hangover to any reliable number.
>> All I know is that if it had been tequila I drank 12 of I would have either
>> had a fight or a fat girl. hangovers cant get pregnant, so the cost per
>> ounce in regard to the overall risk I would say is much higher with
>> tequila. An 18 year hangover.
>>
>> That being said, 15 years in and I still cant describe fresnel in laymens
>> terms clearly enough for a non geek to understand
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:55 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So, since I have the bully-pulpit I will unfairly fire a final shot and
>>> then obey my own Lent proclamation.
>>>
>>> My thoughts behind my post yesterday were along these lines:
>>> We have had hundreds if not thousands of protests in DC.
>>> Pretty big one in 1812 that burned down the Capitol building...
>>> Politics have protests.
>>> 1968 was another banner year.  Lots of folks killed that year.
>>>
>>> You and I obviously feel differently about an attack on the democracy.
>>>
>>> To me, this was a bunch of rednecks trying to occupy a federal building
>>> like the Bundys did in Oregon.   Blowing off steam.  The capitol building
>>> is a public place.  If you behave yourself you normally have pretty much
>>> free run of the place as a visitor.
>>>
>>> Surprised the cops didn’t shoot more of them but still, political
>>> gatherings and protests are part of our rights to assemble.  We want the
>>> cops to deescalate.  I think they held themselves in check pretty well
>>> yesterday.
>>>
>>> In my opinion it was not a “literal attack on the heart of our
>>> democracy” because there was NO WAY it could have succeeded.  But half the
>>> news media tried to make the case that it was.
>>>
>>> The worst thing they could have done was to delay a pro-forma
>>> procedure.  And they delayed it.  Even if they had occupied the capitol,
>>> the lawmakers would have convened somewhere else and done their job.  If
>>> they had killed all the lawmakers, there is a procedure for the states to
>>> send new ones.
>>>
>>> We have a pretty self healing system here.  Stand back and let them
>>> spend their pent up anger.  Not helping much that POTUS enabled/encouraged
>>> it but, hey, he is gone.  His legacy is crap, this just made it more
>>> crap.He will become a worldwide pariah.  That will amuse me.
>>>
>>> So while you see one thing, I see a different thing.  I see folks that
>>> get themselves worked up by 4chan and Qanon and Fox and Rush.  Folks
>>> itching for a fight.  Folks that never learned how to get along with
>>> others.  So the sharks and jets had a rumble.  Now it is over.
>>>
>>> But I stand by my metric of counting the magnitude of a riot.  People
>>> times time + damage caused.  Who cares why they were rioting, these things
>>> are measurable.  Science B*tch.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Carl Peterson
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:35 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB
>>>
>>> I shouldn't have used "BS".
>>>
>>> As others have pointed out, one was a literal attack on the heart of our
>>> democracy, encouraged and incited (IMHO) by the president of our country.
>>> Not much can come close to that.  You could burn all of Portland and it
>>> wouldn't come close.  Then again I care a lot more about our democracy then
>>> I care about Portland.
>>>
>>> Just say what the rules re OT politics are.  We will follow them.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:24 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I could argue number of people involved, number of days in protest,
 number or people hurt, number of cops hurt, $ of damage done etc etc and
 compare the two by the numbers.

 Pretty sure I am right.  Just crunch the numbers.  There is no “side”
 to simple counting of participants times time.

 But to you my comment “one sided inflammatory BS” .

 Sorry I offered ANY opinion or commentary.
 My comment came very late in the day, the political argument started
 far earlier.



 *From:* Carl Peterson
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 12:14 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: FB

 Chuck,

 I know it is your list and your rules, but you can't 

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Unsubscribe

[Ryan Ray]

There shouldn't be any need for time-out's. We're all adults here.

To hell with politics chat though. A few of you start actually acting like
kids when the topic is broached. As a Canadian I don't really want to see
it anyway. Bring back lent. This has been a great community for over 10
years. Politics are the achilles heel for this list.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:42 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Respected and knowledgeable people too, which is even more worrying.
>
> I know a bartender who ended up saying "no politics or religion in my bar,
> you can discuss those anywhere else, but find another topic here - I've got
> enough of the stupid fights". May be time for that, or at least a time-out
> for the biggest mouths.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 11:35 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Not joking.  People are leaving...  Thanks guys...
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:28 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Unsubscribe
>>
>> Unsubscribe
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Re: [AFMUG] OT

[Ryan Ray]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AHCfZTRGiI

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 5:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VScSEXRwUqQ
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:15 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Please kill this thread.  We have had several unsubscribe today, the most
>> notable Ken.
>>
>> F words in a subject line.
>> Political vitriol.
>> There are plenty of other places for this kind of stuff.
>>
>> I thought we were over it, I guess not.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:55 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Fucking Bullshit
>>
>> I call it sedition.
>>
>> The vast (vast) majority of the mob was from people outside of town. The
>> pictures I saw had no people of color as part of the chaos. It was simply a
>> mob breaking into the capitol building and taking things. If there had been
>> even a dozen people of color (or antifa of BLM) the consequences would have
>> been drastically different.
>>
>> I don't think it's racist for a white cop to shoot a white woman who is
>> part of a mob, but I don't know who was shot (and killed) or who shot her.
>>
>> I should also point out that concrete and marble do not burn.
>>
>> Numerous people & groups are now talking about the 25th amendment. If it
>> is invoked, OCP would be not be able to return to office before it could be
>> brought before the house or senate.
>>
>> --
>> bp
>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:19 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Condolences to family of last who died today...
>>> George Bush called it an Insurrection ...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:30 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 go drink some tecate, youre losing your mind

 On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 3:26 PM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

> Did you just hear his tweeter video bullshit? Fuck Trump... Kruchev
> predicted it... Trump enabled it.
>
> Go ahead and get off this list
> Fuck Trump and his Trumpicans...
> This is an Insurrection..Rudy called for trial by combat, Trump said
> it was going to be wild ...
> So fuck them to hell.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 2:11 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> IKR, slides biden is demanding potus go on national TV to quell it,
>> unlike during the biden obama administration when he didnt demand the 
>> same.
>> god this is funny. sad they havent shot more of these mopes today and
>> historically
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 2:50 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> WTF...third world country tactics...
>>> Insurrection...
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Re: [AFMUG] 2+0 Co-Polar

[Ryan Ray]

I understand and I'm not trying to argue. I'm not even in the USA but just
wanting to understand more.

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 10:24 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I’ll let Tim respond, but here’s my take.  It’s not a rule saying you
> can’t do it, but rather a license to do something else.  Frequency
> coordinators and other users of the band rely on you following the license
> you obtained.  To do something else, based on a totally different ETSI
> standard that isn’t even valid in this country, is not what you’re licensed
> for.
>
>
>
> Reducing the equipment certification and frequency coordination process
> down to just the channel width from the brochure oversimplifies things.
> Your license specifies a certain modulation, and the radio will have
> certain out of band emissions, when used according to the license.  The
> coordinated EIRP also assumes the 2 separate channels, not one wide channel.
>
>
>
> Before you got the license, you weren’t allowed to use the band at all.
> Once you get the license, you are authorized to use the band as specified
> in the license.  Not something you feel is equivalent.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 5, 2021 12:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2+0 Co-Polar
>
>
>
> Hey Tim,
>
>
>
> Does this rule have a reason? Or is it just a rule for rule's sake?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:47 AM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
> A note of caution: Some vendors have been pushing the notion that at 11
> GHz, one can coordinate and license an 80 MHz bandwidth pair along with a
> 40 MHz bandwidth pair separated by 60 MHz to in effect get a contiguous 120
> MHz of spectrum. This is okay as long as you are transmitting two distinct
> frequency pairs - one with 80 MHz, and the other with 40 MHz. In the US it
> is NOT okay to unlock the radio to use ETSI 112 MHz bandwidth and transmit
> a single pair. Vendors that are pushing this concept need to stop as it
> violates at least two and possibly more FCC Rules. The licensee would be
> taking the risk - not the vendor.
>
>
>
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:54 PM,  <
> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> With the SIAE radio:
>
> - 2+0 XPIC - minimal loss using the built-in OMT branching unit on the
> order of 0.5 dB per end
>
> - 2+0 ACCP - 3.5 dB loss per end using the built-in Hybrid branching
> unit
>
> No TX power back-off required in either mode, nor do you need to back-off
> the TX power when using POE.
>
>
>
> The ALFOPlus2XG radio has independent modem & RF, so there is flexibility
> on how you could setup each radio. Each carrier can have its own channel
> bandwidth & modulation.
>
>
>
> The branching units are field changeable and allow the ODU to bolt
> directly to the back of the antenna.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Joe Schraml
>
> VP Sales Operations & Marketing
>
> SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.
>
> +1 (408) 832-4884
>
> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com
>
> www.siaemic.com
>
>
>
> >>> Mathew Howard  1/4/2021 12:01 PM >>>
>
> Yeah, you can do 2 x 80mhz channels with a single core on some radios, but
> there are some limitations. Depending on the radio, my understanding is
> that they have to either be adjacent, or very near each other (definitely
> within the same sub-band). It seems to me that some radios can even do two
> different sizes of channels (like 1 80mhz + 1 40mhz), but I could be
> remembering that wrong. If I understand it right, the Aviat radios have a
> significant tx power hit when you activate that feature, which probably
> makes it unusable in a lot of cases. We're doing that on a Bridgewave 11ghz
> link (using 4x 80mhz on a dual core radio), and there's it works fine, with
> only a minor performance hit on those radios. SIAE does have that feature
> as well, but I don't remember if there was a significant performance hit or
> not... I think they may have been the ones that could use two different
> sizes of channels.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Probably, LinkPlanner is pretty smart.
> I assume you don't want to use 2 antennas.
> There are some licensed radios now that I think can do 2 x 80 MHz channels
> in a single core, like from Aviat or SIAE maybe, I don't know if this gets
> around the splitter cost and performance issues. I may have that feature
> completely wrong, I haven't looked into it. There could also be a
> performance hit by using the same xmt power amp for 160 MHz.
> I also haven't checked out the full feature set of the new PTP850C, the
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2+0 Co-Polar

[Ryan Ray]

Hey Tim,

Does this rule have a reason? Or is it just a rule for rule's sake?


On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 4:47 AM Tim Hardy  wrote:

> A note of caution: Some vendors have been pushing the notion that at 11
> GHz, one can coordinate and license an 80 MHz bandwidth pair along with a
> 40 MHz bandwidth pair separated by 60 MHz to in effect get a contiguous 120
> MHz of spectrum. This is okay as long as you are transmitting two distinct
> frequency pairs - one with 80 MHz, and the other with 40 MHz. In the US it
> is NOT okay to unlock the radio to use ETSI 112 MHz bandwidth and transmit
> a single pair. Vendors that are pushing this concept need to stop as it
> violates at least two and possibly more FCC Rules. The licensee would be
> taking the risk - not the vendor.
>
> On Jan 4, 2021, at 3:54 PM,  <
> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com> wrote:
>
> With the SIAE radio:
> - 2+0 XPIC - minimal loss using the built-in OMT branching unit on the
> order of 0.5 dB per end
> - 2+0 ACCP - 3.5 dB loss per end using the built-in Hybrid branching
> unit
> No TX power back-off required in either mode, nor do you need to back-off
> the TX power when using POE.
>
> The ALFOPlus2XG radio has independent modem & RF, so there is flexibility
> on how you could setup each radio. Each carrier can have its own channel
> bandwidth & modulation.
>
> The branching units are field changeable and allow the ODU to bolt
> directly to the back of the antenna.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> 
>
> Joe Schraml
> VP Sales Operations & Marketing
> SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.
> +1 (408) 832-4884
> joseph.schr...@siaemic.com
> www.siaemic.com
>
> >>> Mathew Howard  1/4/2021 12:01 PM >>>
> Yeah, you can do 2 x 80mhz channels with a single core on some radios, but
> there are some limitations. Depending on the radio, my understanding is
> that they have to either be adjacent, or very near each other (definitely
> within the same sub-band). It seems to me that some radios can even do two
> different sizes of channels (like 1 80mhz + 1 40mhz), but I could be
> remembering that wrong. If I understand it right, the Aviat radios have a
> significant tx power hit when you activate that feature, which probably
> makes it unusable in a lot of cases. We're doing that on a Bridgewave 11ghz
> link (using 4x 80mhz on a dual core radio), and there's it works fine, with
> only a minor performance hit on those radios. SIAE does have that feature
> as well, but I don't remember if there was a significant performance hit or
> not... I think they may have been the ones that could use two different
> sizes of channels.
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Probably, LinkPlanner is pretty smart.
>> I assume you don't want to use 2 antennas.
>> There are some licensed radios now that I think can do 2 x 80 MHz
>> channels in a single core, like from Aviat or SIAE maybe, I don't know if
>> this gets around the splitter cost and performance issues. I may have that
>> feature completely wrong, I haven't looked into it. There could also be a
>> performance hit by using the same xmt power amp for 160 MHz.
>> I also haven't checked out the full feature set of the new PTP850C, the
>> only thing I know it has is SFP+.
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> Sent: 1/4/2021 1:30:45 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 2+0 Co-Polar
>>
>> Ok yeah, the Link Planner BOM shows some splitters. I wonder if Link
>> Planner already accounted for the additional losses when I selected "Co
>> Polar" on the dropdown.
>>
>>
>> On 1/4/2021 2:25 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > I seem to remember that different channel different polarization is the
>> best, if your radio manufacturer charges for an XPIC license key. Next best
>> is XPIC. And that the problem with different channel same polarization is
>> you need a splitter which costs several dB of system gain. But that's from
>> memory, and mine is not so reliable.
>> >
>> >  Original Message 
>> > From: "Adam Moffett" 
>> > Sent: 1/4/2021 1:16:26 PM
>> > To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] 2+0 Co-Polar
>> >
>> > I'm looking at a path where the coordinator can get me two 50mhz XPIC
>> > channels, or two 80mhz H-Pol channels.
>> >
>> > I've never installed co-polar. Do you need a lot of extra junk to make
>> > that work?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Ryan Ray]

Lots of stuff runs under Orion.

Application Centric Monitor (ACM)

Database Performance Analyzer Integration Module (DPAIM)

Enterprise Operations Console (EOC)

High Availability (HA)

IP Address Manager (IPAM)

Log Analyzer (LA)

Network Automation Manager (NAM)

Network Configuration Manager (NCM)

Network Operations Manager (NOM)

Network Performance Monitor (NPM)

Network Traffic Analyzer (NTA)

Server & Application Monitor (SAM)

Server Configuration Monitor (SCM)

Storage Resource Monitor (SCM)

User Device Tracker (UDT)

Virtualization Manager (VMAN)

VoIP & Network Quality Manager (VNQM)

Web Performance Monitor (WPM)


If you're running any of those, double check your network asap.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 12:02 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Their sales folks are definitely aggressive.  At least its currently only
> limited (known) to two Orion platforms. Im really concerned about this:
> "...and intended to be a narrow, extremely targeted, and manually executed
> attack..." what does manually executed mean? Like some dude stuck a USB key
> in the DOS box running their whole operation?
>
>
> SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion
> Platform v2020.2 with no hotfix or 2020.2 HF 1 to upgrade to Orion
> Platform version 2020.2.1 HF 1 as soon as possible to ensure the security
> of your environment. This version is currently available at
> customerportal.solarwinds.com.
>
>
>
> SolarWinds asks customers with any of the below products for Orion
> Platform v2019.4 HF 5 to update to 2019.4 HF 6, which will be available
> today, December 14, 2020, at customerportal.solarwinds.com.
>
>
>
> No other versions of Orion Platform products are known to be impacted by
> this security vulnerability. Other non-Orion products are also not known to
> be impacted by this security vulnerability.
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:53 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> This is a big deal. Solarwinds Orion is a product used in many of the Top
>> 100 companies in the world. Including tons of healthcare.
>>
>> I dislike Solarwinds for many reasons and refused to use them even before
>> this hack. Just add another reason to the list.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:49 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So Im reading this now that Solar Winds updates have been delivering
>>> payloads since june or july. Solar winds having crazy levels of access to
>>> interior infrastructures.
>>>
>>> Im not sure what this is saying, it sounds like what fireye isnt saying
>>> outwardly is their toolset was stolen prior to that and that was how they
>>> were able to circumvent the solarwinds security infrastructure, as solar
>>> winds relied on fireye?
>>>
>>> Anybody come across any good detail on solar winds impacted software?
>>> Like if you downloaded the free subnet calculator, will they be taking your
>>> google home account too? Imma be pretty pissed if they mess with my google
>>> play playlists.
>>>
>>> I wonder if the disruptions with office365 and the weird spam filter
>>> changes lately are related to cleanup prior to publication.
>>>
>>> We are a tiny company and got withing a hair of pulling the trigger on
>>> various solarwinds offerings over the years. Thats with tiny company tiny
>>> budgets. I cant imagine CTO voicemails going down around the world today,
>>> depending on budget, you hand the keys over to solarwinds, and by design,
>>> each key you hand over makes sense to spend a little more and hand over
>>> another key. How would you even begin to clean up your organization when
>>> your systems that would provide you your forensics are the systems that did
>>> the damage?
>>>
>>> Is this just mediahype and more russia russia russia, or is this as big
>>> of a deal as it seems
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:01 AM dave  wrote:
>>>
>>>> DA HUMANITY!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/14/20 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I had a customer this morning complaining she couldn’t “sign on” to the
>>>> Internet.  I mentioned that Google had an outage this morning, but she
>>>> responded that she doesn’t use any Google services.  Of course her email
>>>> was from a Gmail address.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 6:54 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>> 
>&g

Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Ryan Ray]

Solarwinds says 18,000 customers got the malware. Basically whoever
orchestrated this hack now has intimate details of all 18,000 of those
customers' networks. They better make sure the rest of their network is up
to snuff because it will make it a lot easier for them to be attacked going
into the future. The hackers will probably lay dormant for a bit and pick
their targets carefully and orchestrate the same attacks now they they know
their network inside and out.

I'd be very worried if I was an Orion user who got this. You'd need to hire
a security auditing firm right now to go over your network with a fine
tooth comb.


On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:52 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> This is a big deal. Solarwinds Orion is a product used in many of the Top
> 100 companies in the world. Including tons of healthcare.
>
> I dislike Solarwinds for many reasons and refused to use them even before
> this hack. Just add another reason to the list.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:49 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So Im reading this now that Solar Winds updates have been delivering
>> payloads since june or july. Solar winds having crazy levels of access to
>> interior infrastructures.
>>
>> Im not sure what this is saying, it sounds like what fireye isnt saying
>> outwardly is their toolset was stolen prior to that and that was how they
>> were able to circumvent the solarwinds security infrastructure, as solar
>> winds relied on fireye?
>>
>> Anybody come across any good detail on solar winds impacted software?
>> Like if you downloaded the free subnet calculator, will they be taking your
>> google home account too? Imma be pretty pissed if they mess with my google
>> play playlists.
>>
>> I wonder if the disruptions with office365 and the weird spam filter
>> changes lately are related to cleanup prior to publication.
>>
>> We are a tiny company and got withing a hair of pulling the trigger on
>> various solarwinds offerings over the years. Thats with tiny company tiny
>> budgets. I cant imagine CTO voicemails going down around the world today,
>> depending on budget, you hand the keys over to solarwinds, and by design,
>> each key you hand over makes sense to spend a little more and hand over
>> another key. How would you even begin to clean up your organization when
>> your systems that would provide you your forensics are the systems that did
>> the damage?
>>
>> Is this just mediahype and more russia russia russia, or is this as big
>> of a deal as it seems
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:01 AM dave  wrote:
>>
>>> DA HUMANITY!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/14/20 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> I had a customer this morning complaining she couldn’t “sign on” to the
>>> Internet.  I mentioned that Google had an outage this morning, but she
>>> responded that she doesn’t use any Google services.  Of course her email
>>> was from a Gmail address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF   *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 6:54 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "I know I'm next, they're coming after my google home mini and my
>>> netflix account."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> a  Google is broken this morning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:57:21 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>>>
&g

Re: [AFMUG] Fireye

[Ryan Ray]

This is a big deal. Solarwinds Orion is a product used in many of the Top
100 companies in the world. Including tons of healthcare.

I dislike Solarwinds for many reasons and refused to use them even before
this hack. Just add another reason to the list.



On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 11:49 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So Im reading this now that Solar Winds updates have been delivering
> payloads since june or july. Solar winds having crazy levels of access to
> interior infrastructures.
>
> Im not sure what this is saying, it sounds like what fireye isnt saying
> outwardly is their toolset was stolen prior to that and that was how they
> were able to circumvent the solarwinds security infrastructure, as solar
> winds relied on fireye?
>
> Anybody come across any good detail on solar winds impacted software? Like
> if you downloaded the free subnet calculator, will they be taking your
> google home account too? Imma be pretty pissed if they mess with my google
> play playlists.
>
> I wonder if the disruptions with office365 and the weird spam filter
> changes lately are related to cleanup prior to publication.
>
> We are a tiny company and got withing a hair of pulling the trigger on
> various solarwinds offerings over the years. Thats with tiny company tiny
> budgets. I cant imagine CTO voicemails going down around the world today,
> depending on budget, you hand the keys over to solarwinds, and by design,
> each key you hand over makes sense to spend a little more and hand over
> another key. How would you even begin to clean up your organization when
> your systems that would provide you your forensics are the systems that did
> the damage?
>
> Is this just mediahype and more russia russia russia, or is this as big of
> a deal as it seems
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 9:01 AM dave  wrote:
>
>> DA HUMANITY!!
>>
>>
>> On 12/14/20 8:58 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> I had a customer this morning complaining she couldn’t “sign on” to the
>> Internet.  I mentioned that Google had an outage this morning, but she
>> responded that she doesn’t use any Google services.  Of course her email
>> was from a Gmail address.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2020 6:54 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>>
>>
>>
>> "I know I'm next, they're coming after my google home mini and my netflix
>> account."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> a  Google is broken this morning.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 13, 2020 9:57:21 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fireye
>>
>> Nope, per fireye, the toolset had to be released because of it being
>> stolen, was not "in the wild"
>>
>>
>>
>> Going to get really interesting to see what comes of this, two federal
>> agencies just happen to get hit shortly after. You can do plenty when you
>> know how you would have otherwise been caught.
>>
>>
>>
>> And that's all fireye admits to having been breached. I'm gonna go ahead
>> and not take their word on it definitively having been russia either.
>> Convenient timing after iran specifically has stated they're going to
>> retaliate for the dead scientist. China will probably confirm this shortly
>>
>>
>>
>> Pretty sure this is far from over and pretty sure this company is just
>> the first to go public.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know I'm next, they're coming after my google home mini and my netflix
>> account.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2020, 9:10 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Not saying you are wrong.
>>
>>
>>
>> But I think I read somewhere that the Fireye tools that were stolen were
>> a collection of malware already in the wild that they used for testing of
>> client networks.  So it was stuff already available, just neatly packaged.
>>
>>
>>
>> The guys who really f’d up were the “Equation Group” (cough, cough, NSA)
>> who lost novel and very powerful hacking tools like Eternal Blue to the
>> Shadow Brokers group.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Sunday, December 13, 2020 8:45 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Fireye
>>
>>
>>
>> These guys F'd up beyond belief.
>>
>>
>>
>> Inept as jaime would say
>>
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>> 

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X

[Ryan Ray]

;>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020, 2:26 PM John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, standard cnMaestro is still free for SM and AP. Here’s the complete
>> list of what you get with the free version (the first column)  vs.
>> cnMaestro X.
>> https://cdn.cambiumnetworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/cnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf
>> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.cambiumnetworks.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2020%2F08%2FcnMaestro-X-Features-Pricing-Aug-2020-final.pdf=04%7C01%7Cjohn.seaman%40cambiumnetworks.com%7C0aa8184feb0341e3f7c508d89bbc6bd9%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C0%7C0%7C637430580860419420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=3OSKp6dPN8CyCCyo%2FogwqX6qEG8B%2BAtbTawPQfdV7fE%3D=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> cnMaestro X has all the same features as the free version but it also has
>> additional features not available in the free version.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Matt Hoppes 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:54 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Cc:* John Seaman 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>>
>>
>>
>> But this is only if using X correct?  Standard maestro will continue to
>> be free for SM and AP?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m confused. What does this X provide that standard doesn’t and why are
>> free features in standard now pay in X?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:44 PM, John Seaman via AF  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> That’s correct.  FWB is fixed wireless broadband.  So for wisps there are
>> two pricing components: SMs (referred to as tier 1) & APs/PTP (referred to
>> tier 2).  SMs are less expensive than the APs.  For example, for the three
>> year subscription the SM MSRP is $16 (or $5.33 per year) and APs are $60
>> ($20 per year).  As for PTP, this includes the sub 6 GHz backhauls like the
>> PTP 670 and 550 (cnMaestro does not yet support PTP 820).Pricing for
>> enterprise Wi-Fi/enterprise gear follows the third schedule, referred to as
>> Tier 3.
>>
>>
>>
>> Again, keep in mind that an X subscription also comes along with Cambium
>> Care Pro which is a 24/7 enhanced tech support service.   Standard tech
>> support (8x5) is still free.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 6:34 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>>
>>
>>
>> FWB could be Fixed Wireless Broadband?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:23 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: cnmaestro X
>>
>>
>>
>> If your friend with benefits wants money then they're a prostitute.
>>
>> On 12/8/2020 3:21 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> also what's a FWB? I keep reading it as friends with benefits so you get
>> to be a friend with benefits if you pay the fee.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:19 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>> If I'm reading it right we use PTP, AP, soon to be 60GHz ptmp when it
>> arrives, so we'll be paying $90 per device? for 5 year? but an AP may not
>> last that long but we still have to keep track of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems confusing. Maybe just because I don't understand it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 12:17 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>
>> I'm a little confused on pricing tiers. Can you explain these in more
>> detail John
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 6:17 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>> I believe "config push" will still be a free feature.  At least this is
>> what John alluded to earlier - and I don't see it listed as a "PRO" feature
>> when I login.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Id like to know the pricing on long term data and multi tenant. I was
>> reading the manual on multitenant and so excited then went to do it and was
>> like damn, kick me in the balls. we are cloud
>>
>>
>>
>> I cant get SAS to set up right now, but if you do CBRS its more than
>> config pushes (also not free)
>>
>>
>>
>> Does on prem let you do long term data?
>>
>>
>>
>> CnMaestro is like Linkplanner

Re: [AFMUG] Apple upgrade times out

[Ryan Ray]

I think there are problems with apple software these days. I'm deep into
the mac ecosystem and years gone by the software has got worse and worse
where it used to be it's best selling feature. Upgrades, facetime /
imessage problems, battery life issues with ios, airplay bugs.

Just tell them to reboot, usually that fixes it.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 9:02 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I assume you mean is it 20 Mbps sustained, not “burst up to” 20 Mbps.
> Yes, this is done via Preseem, this customer is set to 20M down / 4.4M in
> Preseem.  They should be able to get 20/4 all day every day.
>
>
>
> This customer is on a lightly loaded CBRS sector (8 other subs mostly
> light users), they have a 450b SM at 8X with linktest at 87 down 37 up.  It
> is one lightly loaded 11 GHz 650 Mbps link away from a BGP router with a
> feed from an upstream provider.  It just boggles my mind to have them say
> their Internet is slow because Apple says it times out.
>
>
>
> I found a web page that purports to list the size of every OS X update,
> they seem to range from 1 to 4 GB, the most recent one 1.2 GB.
>
>
>
> 20 Mbps calculates to 9 GB per hour.  Let’s call it 8 GB because of TCP
> overhead and whatever.  So 1.2 GB would take 9 minutes.  Would a Mac with
> default settings (I assume most Mac users aren’t settings tweakers) enter
> sleep mode after 9 minutes?
>
>
>
> Often people say they take the computer somewhere else and it updates
> fine.  Maybe I’m living in the past, but I refuse to look at 20 Mbps as the
> new dialup, OMG, it’s so slow, I can’t do anything!  But it’s certainly
> possible they are taking it to somewhere with Metronet fiber or Comcast
> cable Internet with a download speed 10 to 50 times faster (assuming their
> home WiFi doesn’t become the weak link).  So instead of 9 minutes, it could
> be as little as 11 seconds.
>
>
>
> I know Mac users think everybody else also has a Mac (and a Volvo in the
> driveway and a Bang & Olufsen stereo in the living room), but I’m not very
> familiar with them.  Perhaps default energy management would enter sleep
> mode as quick as 9 minutes.  Would it go to sleep with an active file
> download in progress?  I don’t know.  And would the download manager not
> give you an option to hit a key and restart the download from where it left
> off?  Again, I don’t know.  Hence I ask.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Timothy Steele
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 7, 2020 4:03 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Apple upgrade times out
>
>
>
> if you are giving them real 20Mbps no Bursting
>
>
>
> and they don't have packet drops or local wifi interference to their router
>
>
>
> then I have read that MAC's will time out on updates due to the MAC going
> to sleep
>
> setting the sleep timer to a few hours or even never might help
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 7:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> I forget if this has been discussed before, but is there something about
> Apple software upgrades that is unique?
>
>
>
> It seems I regularly get people saying they can’t upgrade their Mac or
> other Apple product because it says it times out.  So of course they say
> their Internet is too slow.  But I’m talking about people with 20M
> downstream speeds.  And no reason they shouldn’t be getting that speed.
> And it seems like their only complaint is the Apple software updates.  They
> can stream Netflix just fine.
>
>
>
> Latest one is complaining about a Mac, but I think I’ve heard this about
> iPhone/iPad devices also.  I know iDevices will sometimes switch to
> cellular data, but a Mac shouldn’t be doing that.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ryan Ray]

Cambium routers before these and what a shit show that was.



On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Were you providing different routers before, or customers were providing
> their own routers?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 4:00 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>
>
>
> Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less
> so for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how
> Calix prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.
>
>
>
> The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the
> setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.
>
>
>
> If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate
> that number down.
>
>
>
> The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type
> infrastructure. Our support calls went way down when we started getting
> these routers in.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no
> equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a
> while now.
>
>
>
> Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.
>
>
>
> Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was
> about $ 15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team”
> required.
>
>
>
> Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is
> kinda “a thing”
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>
>
>
> We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019.
> What are you looking to know?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>
>
>
> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ryan Ray]

Equipment availability is definitely a huge problem right now. Maybe less
so for operators that buy a years worth in advance which I think is how
Calix prefers. Shipping 50 at a time is not their style.

The 15-20k will be integrations with your billing system and API, plus the
setup of the cloud and on boarding for your techs and support people.

If you don’t plan on doing any integrations you can probably negotiate that
number down.

The price is high but it’s high quality set and forget type infrastructure.
Our support calls went way down when we started getting these routers in.




On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
>
>
> I am trying to get started with them, but keep getting told them have no
> equipment that they can sell us at this time.  Been going on for quite a
> while now.
>
>
>
> Looking for the Gigaspire U6’s and or U4’s.
>
>
>
> Have been through the presentation including where they told us it was
> about $ 15K to $ 20K to get onboarded and utilize their “success team”
> required.
>
>
>
> Just trying to get going with them, but having access to the equipment is
> kinda “a thing”
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 3:37 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>
>
>
> We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019.
> What are you looking to know?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>
>
>
> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/658+Old+Dixie+Highway+%0D%0A+Vero+Beach,+FL+32962?entry=gmail=g>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ryan Ray]

That's strange. We don't seem to have that issue with 844E and 804Mesh
staying connected. I've found their TAC to be very responsive and helpful
though.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 10:29 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Not using it yet.  I've yet to see any benefit.
>
> Called them out on a problem and I said let's see if it fixes it.  Looks
> like it's a (their words) defective 844G.  Support cloud might help at
> large scale but right now my issues are the 804 meshes staying paired to
> the 844G.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:06 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Guess you are using their SaaS management solution thing?  If so, how do
>> you deal with their minimum subscriber units, etc..  is this not a problem
>> for most of you?
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 1:03 PM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes.  They need an ONT and putting an 844G down eliminates the shitty
>>> router problems, wiring problems, etc.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:22 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you include the 844G with the price of the service?
>>>> I was doing 844Gs until they became impossible to get.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Josh Luthman
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 9:48 AM
>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>>>>
>>>> Fiber is exclusively 844G for ONT/termination/demarc) for us.
>>>>
>>>> For us, we're wanting to hook up fiber customers as fast as possible
>>>> and would rather get the MRC sooner rather than later.  They all currently
>>>> have cableco (Spectrum/Charter).  We provide the router/meshes.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:09 AM  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am dithering on this myself.  I was giving away 844Gs but since they
>>>>> have become unavailable I think I will standardize on the 803G/801G and
>>>>> offer the 844Es for rent.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Sam Lambie
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, October 19, 2020 9:01 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Calix users
>>>>>
>>>>> We are about to bite the bullet on Calix. Are you guys charging for
>>>>> the equipment, or adding a monthly service charge? Or is this part of your
>>>>> installs now? How do you recoup the monthly cost?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 1:44 PM Ryan's Amplex 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We are installing about 65 844e devices a month.   Let me known what
>>>>>> your looking for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 16, 2020, at 3:38 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August
>>>>>> 2019. What are you looking to know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix users

[Ryan Ray]

We have about 700 844e and 100 804Mesh deployed so far since August 2019.
What are you looking to know?


On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:06 AM Paul McCall  wrote:

> Is anybody here installing a lot of Calix routers for customers?
>
>
>
> If so, I would like to chat with you briefly!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] I miss

[Ryan Ray]

I like this dream. Can't wait for 5g to operate our robot shells.



On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:02 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Business opportunity:  telepresence tourism.
>
>
>
> I’m imagining a self-driving tour bus full of telepresence robots stopping
> at all the tourist destinations, and the robots get out and their humans
> back home in their VR headsets drive them around to sightsee.  Eiffel
> Tower, Louvre, Arc de Triomphe, Versailles, Notre Dame.  Not sure about
> wine and food tasting.  Maybe telepresence technology has evolved since the
> Shelbot.
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d4qKZpYybI=youtu.be
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:33 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] I miss
>
>
>
> Just get a VR headset and you can travel all over the world virtually!
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 6:58 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>
> Not being able to travel.  Watching Emily in Paris on Netflix.  Been there
> many times.  Nice get away with my daughter that lives in England..
> someday this shall end.  Damn.  I sure as hell hope I can travel next fallX
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Re: [AFMUG] I miss

[Ryan Ray]

Just get a VR headset and you can travel all over the world virtually!

On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 6:58 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

>
> Not being able to travel.  Watching Emily in Paris on Netflix.  Been there
> many times.  Nice get away with my daughter that lives in England..
> someday this shall end.  Damn.  I sure as hell hope I can travel next fallX
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice

[Ryan Ray]

It's the wireless protocol. Bluetooth doesn't do very good with latency
which is why you'll see lots of weird blips with a mouse. Logitech
developing a custom protocol helps them prioritize latency over anything
else so your mouse is super smooth.



On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:37 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> Yes. BT mice are very hard to find.
>
> On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> 
> do you ever shop on the internet?
>
> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new
>> desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth.
>>
>> Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their
>> device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle?
>>
>> You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years
>> they seem to be like hen’s teeth.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi

[Ryan Ray]

It may be hard to give others your money but for WIFI it doesn't seem like
anything even compares to the Calix solution. We haven't even tried the
Gigaspires yet and instead stick to the 844e and 804 but I've been meaning
to see how the new routers operate and take a look at the client experience
via the app.

Before choosing Calix I tried all sorts of routers and tr69 integrations
with friendly-tech. Nothing compared, so the cost seems worth it.

I can say our wifi problems are basically gone from the network at this
point with the Calix's out there. It's nice.



On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 4:44 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> That was what I liked about the Ubiquiti Amplifi Pro...  you could set
> those things and even have it mesh over 2.4..  Which I did in the middle
> of a hanger full of cell phone hot spots and it performed quite decently...
>
> On 10/06/2020 03:38 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > I totally agree.  AFAIK, you have no control over the channels and
> > widths on Google WiFi or Eero or most of the other similar products out
> > there.  I think Orbi gives you some control over the fronthaul but not
> > backhaul.
> >
> > It would be nice if the service partner partnership controls let you set
> > the 5 GHz channels but I’m guessing no.
> >
> > Big problem for 5 GHz WISP customers.  It’s one of the good things about
> > CBRS.
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 4:40 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
> >
> > That might be decent if they let you manually set the channel it uses...
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 2:17 PM Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> > Just saw this article:
> >
> >
> https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/6/21504317/eero-for-service-providers-launch-isps-partnership-routers
> >
> > *From:* AF  > > *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 11:47 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  > >
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
> >
> > Our criteria is how many customers complain of poor range on the
> > HAP-AC-lites.  I am interested in both frequencies. I have tested
> > the routers and yes, WiFi performance is marginal at best, and we
> > have many homes here in NM with adobe walls that just gobble up wifi
> > signal. I have tested the Audience in terms of range and throughput.
> > Both are better, but still are lacking for anything over 50mbps TCP.
> > I would bet that I have not configured the Audience correctly for
> > max throughput. I have not added any Mesh nodes to it yet. I wish
> > the UI wasn't so fiddly to work with. The documentation is fiddly as
> > well...
> >
> > We have a Calix Gigaspire here for testing as well and it rocks in
> > all ways. But again, it's hard to give other folks our money if
> > there is something out there that we can manage and works.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 10:18 AM Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> > What criteria are you using to evaluate WiFi performance?  And
> > are you interested mainly in 2.4 or 5 GHz performance or both?
> >
> > Looking at the WiFi chipsets used in various Mikrotik routers,
> > the highest performance would seem to be the QCA9984 in the
> > Audience model.  High xmt power and 4x4 MIMO.  Normally used in
> > U-NII-3 as the mesh backhaul channel, while the IPQ4019 is used
> > in U-NII-1 for fronthaul.  But as a single router, you could
> > configure it as tri-band, and the upper band performance with
> > the QCA9984 would probably be pretty good.  I will say that when
> > used in a mesh configuration, the backhaul channel is very
> > robust.  And that approach does follow what many people
> > recommend for a mesh or multiple APs - don’t crank up the xmt
> > power too high on the APs but make the backhaul between them
> solid.
> >
> > Bottom line though, WiFi seems like Forrest Gump’s box of
> > chocolates.  And if reality doesn’t agree with theory, reality
> wins.
> >
> > *From:* AF  > > *On Behalf Of *Jesse DuPont
> via AF
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 9:44 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  > >; Sam Lambie  > >
> > *Cc:* Jesse DuPont  > >
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik HAP Ac-Lite. Sucks for Wifi
> >
> > Lee Elkasri at WLAN Mall said he had 7 in stock (this was last
> > week), I ordered 2. Now that you mention it, I haven't received
> > shipping notification... :)
> >
> > 
> >
> > *Jesse 

Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

[Ryan Ray]

We are just installing a pair of 450m 3.65 and your options for sync are to
run an ethernet cable down to a packetflux rackinjector but with no POE,
just let it do sync, or to use a cnpulse which is just a gps receiver that
plugs in directly to the 450m.

On a separate note, does anyone else hate these 4 pin power cables? To do
it properly you need to make 5 ends and the small pins are so finicky to
get into the connector. It took hours for us to make all the cables
properly and verify. Frustrating.


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 10:17 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> What are the sync options for 450m? Poe+sync or aux port? No on-board gps
> for self sync??
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:57 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Or just use a cnPulse/SyncBox or something like that at the top of the
>> tower next to the radio.. so, you aren't running CAT5 all the way up your
>> tower.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 12:53 PM Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do you mean use fiber for ethernet connectivity but run cat5 for sync?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
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>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 You can use single sync solutions per AP, so no Ethernet runs



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 *Date: *Friday, September 25, 2020 at 10:05 AM
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 I don't need no damn sync.  I have a building with more than enough FTB.



 Josh Luthman
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 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:58 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

 You (we) still need power+sync even if you use fiber.. We're planning
 on using fiber, too.



 On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 9:53 AM Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

 Forgot all about that massive power requirement.  We did DC+fiber to
 avoid ethernet issues.



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 On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 2:50 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it
 uses like 1.21 gigawatts.



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?



 If you need sync...power it over that too.



 In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber +
 DC.  No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of
 shielding.



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 On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.



 Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
 power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
 AP that’s in service, but one from the used pile that I’m planning to
 redeploy but I didn’t label where it came from.



 Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
 off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
 day, but I could still reboot it from the GUI.  I had an old
 Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio that needed to be power cycled
 regularly but that was 15 years ago and it got replaced with a PTP500 which
 has now been replaced with a PTP820.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82

[Ryan Ray]

Can you explain how you’re doing this? How can you assign a different ip in
a dhcp space?

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:56 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> I just saw a post in the Sonar forum that looks pretty similar to this
> one.   We don't use Option 82, but otherwise have Sonar write the DHCP
> table to the Mikrotiks.   If someone requests a DHCP that isn't in Sonar,
> we just assign them a Penalty Box IP address that doesn't have access to
> the Internet.This seems to work pretty well.
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
>
> Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 11:40 AM
>
> To: Animal Farm 
>
> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP and Nested DHCP Option82
>
>
>
> I'm running into a strange issue that's being difficult to replicate.
>
>
>
> EPMP 3k AP W/option82 -> EPMP 300 SM -> Switch
>
>
>
> Local Customer and EPMP1000 radio plug into this switch
>
>
>
> EPMP1000 2.4 AP (nonGPS w/Option82)  -> EPMP1000 2.4SM
>
>
>
> I'm using Option 82 so that Sonar can Tie the Public IP Address to the MAC
> of equipment on the customer account.
>
>
>
> The Local customer off the switch runs just fine, Option 82 records the
>
> EPMP300 SM MAC, it has had no problems.
>
>
>
> But the Customer behind the EPMP1000 radio randomly loses the ability to
> get a DHCP Lease.  The Mikrotik DHCP Server Log just reports 'Offered
>
> DHCP Lease without success'.   When it does work, Option82 shows the MAC
>
> of the EPMP1000 SM Like it's supposed to. DHCP Lease time is set to 3
> hours.  At some point between 3-24 hours, the customers router will lose
> its lease and won't be able to renew it.  The only way to get it working
> again is to reboot the EPMP1000 AP.  Rebooting the EPMP300 SM or the
>
> EPMP1000 SM does not fix it.  And it doesn't happen at every lease
> renewal, yesterday it ran for 16 hours before suddenly losing it's lease.
>
>
>
> I have just disabled option 82 in the EPMP1000 AP and I'm guessing that
> will fix the customer, but I lose the ability to automatically track them
> in Sonar.  I've tried Firmware 4.4.3 and 4.5.5 on the EPMP1000, it's had
> the issue on both of them.  Anybody run into something like this before?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ryan Ray]

I don't have one personally so I can't speak definitively but our support
articles say to plug in the circle with an ethernet cable. If it has a good
wifi connection though I don't see what the difference is. We'd definitely
prefer it to be connected with an ethernet cable.





On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:27 AM James Howard  wrote:

> I’ve never seen the performance hit that was claimed in the article.  I’ve
> had one since they first came out.  We’ve got the current model because
> they offered us a lifetime subscription version for a reasonable price as
> an upgrade.  I currently have it on wifi because I ran out of space and
> outlets where I put the router when I moved it.  I haven’t noticed any real
> difference in performance either way.  The only time I ever had to reset it
> was when I told it to put itself into the locked down profile that I had
> created and it blocked itself from getting to the internet and it couldn’t
> be managed anymore.  That kind of seems like a design flaw but that was
> with the old model so maybe you can’t do that with the current model.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 8:35 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> I guess making them disable the Circle for troubleshooting might be a
> satisfactory compromise.  Although I thought it had a battery and WiFi so
> kids couldn’t just unplug it, how do you turn the darn thing off?  Battery
> pull?
>
>
>
> Also, would it be reasonable to require them to connect the Circle with an
> Ethernet cable so everything isn’t taking a double trip through the WiFi?
> That would eliminate one of my two concerns about the Circle.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Friday, September 11, 2020 2:39 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they
> called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like
> someone troubleshooting over wireless.
>
>
>
> We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own
> routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp
> spoofing on the router to use a circle.
>
>
>
>
> https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle
> attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the
> router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m
> trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage
> the router if the customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like
> the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers
> that has Circle built in to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.
>
>
>
> If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible
> for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add
> spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer,
> if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the
> other – ISP managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek
> Squad.
>
>
>
> https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/
>
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works
> fine.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people
> blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to
> restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff
> for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I
> haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame
> on th

Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ryan Ray]

If it works for them I don't care what people use on the network. If they
called in for help we would tell them to unplug the circle first, just like
someone troubleshooting over wireless.

We have enough control and insight into the home network with our own
routers and extenders that I don't mind if people want to disable arp
spoofing on the router to use a circle.

https://support.meetcircle.com/hc/en-us/articles/360026363452-CALIX-GIGACENTER-844G-844E-and-Circle



On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> So you’re OK with a device that essentially does a man-in-the-middle
> attack on your managed router, using ARP spoofing to pretend to be the
> router, rerouting traffic multiple times across the WiFi network?  I’m
> trending toward the position that I won’t troubleshoot LAN issues or manage
> the router if the customer wants to do that.  And that if they really like
> the Circle parental controls, they should buy one of the Netgear routers
> that has Circle built in to the router.  No hacker tricks needed.
>
>
>
> If customers want a “managed router” from us, meaning we are responsible
> for all their LAN and WiFi issues, I’m getting tired of them trying to add
> spoofing devices, range extenders, etc. to the network.  Hey Mr. Customer,
> if you want to manage your network, you’re welcome to, but it’s one or the
> other – ISP managed or customer managed.  Make up your mind.  Or call Geek
> Squad.
>
>
>
> https://www.netgear.com/landings/circle/
>
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/07/can-disneys-circle-really-deliver-a-porn-free-internet/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 11:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works
> fine.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people
> blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to
> restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff
> for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I
> haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame
> on their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh
> system?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired
> to the router instead of wifi for best performance.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before
> bark bought them
>
> i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a
> parental control device.
>
>
>
> How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi?  It seems like
> it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow
> take over DNS.  Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi?
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Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device

[Ryan Ray]

We have customers using Circle with a Calix 844e and 804 mesh and it works
fine.


On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:24 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I’ve got one connected at home with an Amplifi mesh.  I could see people
> blaming their ISP for stuff not working if they set the default settings to
> restrict a lot of stuff.  I set ours to block facebook and some other stuff
> for anybody who connects to the wifi but isn’t assigned to a profile.  I
> haven’t had any problems with it causing any signal issues though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 3:59 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> H, does that work seamlessly, or could it cause problems people blame
> on their Internet?  And would it play nice with a range extender or mesh
> system?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Circle parental control device
>
>
>
> ARP spoofing. It's not inline at all. If possible, it should be hardwired
> to the router instead of wifi for best performance.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 12:51 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> routerlimits had something similar, never got to investigate much before
> bark bought them
>
> i figured it either did dns or spoofing of something
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Customer has a Circle device on their WiFi network which apparently is a
> parental control device.
>
>
>
> How does this work if it’s just another device on the WiFi?  It seems like
> it would have to either be inline with the path to the Internet, or somehow
> take over DNS.  Or is it doing something intrusive on the WiFi?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Jetpack

[Ryan Ray]

It was this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHk13Xa8dqI

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:51 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> That's all we need... flying car accidents raining bodies
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 3:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Did anyone see this guy in the area?
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/29/us/flying-car-successful-test-in-japan-trnd/index.html
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 9/1/2020 2:34 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> > Which is why I'm all the more confused.  Why isn't there chopper
>> > coverage of it?  Or was it busy following a car chase?
>> >
>> > On 9/1/2020 4:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> >> Two things:
>> >>
>> >> 1. It's LA.
>> >>
>> >> 2. It's Fox News in LA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> bp
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> On 9/1/2020 2:07 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>> >>> Just saw this story in the local paper. #1, I didn't realize
>> >>> jetpacks were so prevelant.  #2, it seems like flying this close to
>> >>> a plane is just stupid.
>> >>>
>> >>> LOS ANGELES -- The Federal Aviation Administration said Tuesday it
>> >>> is investigating reports from airline pilots that someone was flying
>> >>> in a jetpack as they approached Los Angeles International Airport to
>> >>> land last weekend.
>> >>>
>> >>> Two airline flight crews reported seeing what appeared to be someone
>> >>> in a jetpack as they were on their final approaches to LAX around
>> >>> 6:35 p.m. PDT Sunday,'  the FAA said.
>> >>>
>> >>> The statement did not elaborate.
>> >>>
>> >>> Fox 11 Los Angeles obtained recordings of communications between the
>> >>> aircraft and the tower.
>> >>>
>> >>> 'Tower, American 1997, we just passed a guy in a jetpack,'  a pilot
>> >>> said.
>> >>>
>> >>> 'American 1997, OK, thank you, were they off to your left side or
>> >>> your right side?'  the controller asked.
>> >>>
>> >>> 'Off the left side at maybe 300 yards or so at our altitude,'  the
>> >>> pilot said.
>> >>>
>> >>> Another pilot also reported a sighting.
>> >>>
>> >>> 'We just saw the guy pass by us in the jetpack,'  he said.
>> >>>
>> >>> The controller then advised another aircraft flight crew to use
>> >>> caution.
>> >>>
>> >>> 'Person in a jetpack reported 300 yards south of the LA final at
>> >>> about 3,000 feet (914 meters), 10-mile (16-kilometer) final,'  the
>> >>> controller said.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Camera Systems

[Ryan Ray]

Anyone ever tried these ones?

https://www.networkoptix.com/nx-witness/

https://wavevms.com/

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 12:26 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So what's a good NVR?  I've hated every one I ever looked at.
>
>
> On 8/31/2020 3:12 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> Grandstream cameras are fine but their NVR BLOWS.
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 2:26 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I've been mostly happy with the Grandstream phones, has anyone tried
>> their cameras?  Pricing looks ok.  They're Not 4k, But I'm not sure I need
>> that.
>>
>> On 8/29/2020 4:27 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Yep ..talk to Efrain or Bryan...tell them you are my friend and to give
>> you my pricing...I know the owner and have been doing business with them
>> since 1993.
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 3:07 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> epcom has the least expensive hikvision cameras and NVR's,
>>> you're welcome ;p
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 1:03 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
 I've been leaning towards Hanwha.



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 I haven't put any new cameras in for a couple years.  Last one's I did
 were Unifi Protect.  And although it is still running, the software
 seems to be just as buggy as it was all those years ago, and for the
 features, the cameras are pretty expensive.  Are there any other low
 cost turnkey camera solutions out there?  I could do like a Zoneminder
 or BlueIris, but I'm lazy in my old age and was looking for something
 more plug and play.I'm intrigued by the Blink or Nest cameras, but
 it looks like their only options are WIFI cameras, and I'd really like
 something POE.

 I'm looking to put 2-3 cameras at tower sites, so I can go back and
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Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi

[Ryan Ray]

There is no reason that managed wifi should be that high.



On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> The minimum for Plume was 1000 users ($2K/mo.) with a NCTC membership. I
> was told the Plume direct price ranges between $30k-$50k/mo.
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> What was it?  Calix also had a minimum.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 12:43 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Their minimum number of users was a deal breaker for me.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 6:53 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We analyzed both, at the end,  Plume was the right choice for us and
 was cheaper because of overall TCO.  Staff training, ease of use of the App
 by the customer, less calls to call center… that all plays in hand…



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 *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Date: *Wednesday, August 19, 2020 at 4:24 PM
 *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Plume or Calix managed WiFi



 Calix is MUCH cheaper to get into than Plume, with lower minimums.
 They (Calix) were also running a WISP special earlier this year, I'm unsure
 if it is still going on, but the upfront pricing was much more attractive.



 On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 8:27 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

 what's the per sub cost approx for these solutions?



 On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:10 PM Gino A. Villarini 
 wrote:

 We chose Plume, the customer app and the ISP cloud panel runs circles
 around Calix’s



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 We use Plume and its pretty good.  If the decision were entirely in my
 court I'd have gone with Calix.  Long term it aligns better with where I
 think the company should be going - all fiber all the time, but if all you
 are looking for is simple wifi that works then Plume is pretty good.



 On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 4:23 PM Sam Lambie 
 wrote:

 We are looking into a managed WiFi solution for some of our more
 demanding clients that either have big homes, or just want the best. We
 currently use Mikrotik HAP AC Lite which don't have great coverage, but
 great features for us in terms of management.



 So for those that need more coverage etc, we thought we could offer
 something for a monthly fee like Plume or Calix

 Has anyone used them before? Thoughts and comments?

 https://www.plume.com/products/
 






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Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s

[Ryan Ray]

I don't know about your business, but mine is run so nicely that if someone
bought it, you wouldn't have to do shit all other than billing and normal
troubleshooting. That's why anyone who does a generalized "ISP is worth x*
dollars" doesn't make any sense. It's so dependant on the business and the
area.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:02 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I heard an “expert” once on a radio show advising small business owners
> how to prep their business for sale.  The advice was to cut costs to
> inflate EBITDA because that’s what the sale price would be based on.  So if
> the seller followed that advice, network upgrades and maintenance would
> have been neglected.  On the other hand, if you planned to cut redundant
> staff, some of that might have already been done.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *cjwstudios
> *Sent:* Friday, August 21, 2020 6:30 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Buying and selling ISP’s
>
>
>
> 1x annual revenue and hope the customers stay on
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:43 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> This is the issue I’ve always had when I’ve looked at buying an ISP. It
> always seems like a lot more money I would have to put out to buy then I
> could just build and take the customers if something is wrong with the
> current network.
>
>
>
> > On Aug 21, 2020, at 12:43 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> >
>
> > On 8/20/20 8:13 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> >> I think you either buy or sell, isp isnt really a flip thing
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > There is/was someone in my part of the country buying up ISPs and trying
> to package them all together as a flip. My ISP customers tell me it's far
> easier to get the flipper's customers to cancel and switch than buy their
> company.
>
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Ryan Ray]

We use pingdom if it's an external IP.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM Cameron Crum  wrote:

> Not sure about SMS. Guessing you need something like twillio or another
> sms gateway to send sms.
>
> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:43 PM  wrote:
>
>> I think it was smokeping I was thinking of.  Do you know if it can send
>> text messages?
>>
>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 29, 2020 2:13 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer
>>
>> I think a popular one is smokeping. This would be a fairly easy program
>> to write...done it many times. I guess it just depends on if you want
>> something out of the box or more custom.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 3:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have
>>> similar services
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
 answer.
 Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
 time ping monitor with text alerts.
 I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router

[Ryan Ray]

You're never going to see starlink in your area if you're offering a gig.

On Wed, Jul 15, 2020 at 1:44 PM Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Yeah, ultimately I can still make money charging $50 for a gig if I had
> to(granted, it would be a lot longer ROI).   So as long as my $90 gig plan
> doesn’t get poached on, I am not worried.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 2:49 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
>
>
> The good news is a half million sub limit.  They will easily find a half
> million hard to serve locations around the globe without breaking a sweat.
>
> So the low hanging fruit are not our customers.
>
>
>
> *From:* dave
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:16 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Details on the Starlink router
>
>
>
> Just install 40k of micropops :)
>
>
> On 7/15/20 11:57 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> There are some details in this story that were new to me. One of the ones
> that popped up was that each group of 60 Starlink satellites is expected to
> support ~~ 40,000 subscribers.
>
> That puts the 800 satellite "moderate service level" at supporting about
> half a million subscribers (~~ 533,000).
>
> In order to support a million subscribers, they will need about 1500
> satellites.
>
>
> https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/starlink-router-fcc?_pos=19&_sid=a6c7fff07&_ss=r
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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi Coverage in Home

[Ryan Ray]

I use a Calix844e and E410's as well

On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 4:59 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> We have a wired Mikrotik back at the hub, and a single Unify saucer that
> provides WiFi to almost all of the home (~~ 2800 sq ft). It is "not quite"
> centrally located, and screwed to the wall above the doorway in a utility
> room.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 7/11/2020 4:12 PM, Matt wrote:
>
> I always use MikroTik routers. I assume it is all noise etc but it seems
> like I have an issue with getting throughput on my front porch etc. What is
> everyone’s favorite router for home use? Using hap ac now.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Setting up a private satellite Wi-Fi network is now cheaper and easier than ever | ZDNet

[Ryan Ray]

Honestly not that bad. For a work anywhere device that you can use sms gps
and limited web browsing and calls for $50 a month? Cheap.


On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:07 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

>
> https://www.zdnet.com/article/setting-up-a-private-satellite-wi-fi-network-is-now-cheaper-and-easier-than-ever/
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Re: [AFMUG] Error counters on SFP interfaces

[Ryan Ray]

We always lean towards optics first because it's easy to test. We've seen
packet loss with no errors with a crappy SFP from FS.



On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 8:53 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So for the packet loss with no obvious cause, do I blame the cheap
> optics or the cheap switch?  Sounds like we're thinking switch.
>
> The most recent issue (which prompted these questions) was 1/10th second
> of packet loss every 2 seconds.  It was between two CRS 2xx switches
> with $10 Fiberstore SFP's.  I feel like one end or the other should have
> been accumulating thousands of errors, but nope.  No errors; nothing to
> see here.  And btw Rx power was around -12 on each end vs a sensitivity
> of -23.  OTDR trace showed nothing weird.
>
> On 7/2/2020 11:30 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:
> > The switch/router should report the error. The SFP is just a blinky
> > light for the most part, until you get into 100g coherent optics. Some
> > things that may not report errors would be interface drops, but would
> > be reported as a link down. I would really like it if mikrotik would
> > implement a hold time/ port flap protection. Also reading more SFP
> > detail would be nice so it would now alarm levels for the RX signal.
> >
> > On 7/1/2020 10:53 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> n something is clearly wrong, why aren't errors reported? Is it:
> >> 1) Mikrotik interfaces never report errors to begin with?
> >>
> >> 2) My cheapo SFP's don't report an error to the host switch/router?
> >>
> >> 3) An error at the SFP is invisible to the host switch/router?
> >>
> >>
> >> ..and I'm not talking about optical problems because those are
> >> detectable with an OTDR pretty much 100% of the time. Talking
> >> specifically about issues with switches and SFP's.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?

[Ryan Ray]

Yep

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:17 PM  wrote:

> Thank you. This is a small site with a handful of customers… and I only
> need sync on this one radio. Will any of the smaller units work?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?
>
>
>
> Rackinjector you use the *Power Injection for Cambium Sync Board* cards.
> For a powerinjector you use the *Powerinjector Plus Cambium-Style*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:30 AM  wrote:
>
> I have a site where I need sync only for a PTP 450i 900 MHz AP. Any
> recommendation for which PacketFlux injector to use?
>
> [I have some old syncpipes, but they are not new enough.]
>
> Thank you, Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?

[Ryan Ray]

https://store.packetflux.com/powerinjector-plus-cambium-style-sync/

https://store.packetflux.com/packetflux-rackinjector/

https://store.packetflux.com/rackinjector-injection-card-for-cambium-sync/



On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Rackinjector you use the *Power Injection for Cambium Sync Board* cards.
> For a powerinjector you use the *Powerinjector Plus Cambium-Style*
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:30 AM  wrote:
>
>> I have a site where I need sync only for a PTP 450i 900 MHz AP. Any
>> recommendation for which PacketFlux injector to use?
>>
>> [I have some old syncpipes, but they are not new enough.]
>>
>> Thank you, Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Sync for PTP 450i 900 MHz?

[Ryan Ray]

Rackinjector you use the *Power Injection for Cambium Sync Board* cards.
For a powerinjector you use the *Powerinjector Plus Cambium-Style*

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 11:30 AM  wrote:

> I have a site where I need sync only for a PTP 450i 900 MHz AP. Any
> recommendation for which PacketFlux injector to use?
>
> [I have some old syncpipes, but they are not new enough.]
>
> Thank you, Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 Mid gain distance in 5ghz vs. 450b High gain SM.

[Ryan Ray]

We tried pushing out to 2 mile, downlink is fine but uplink suffers. We
just decided to do high gain everywhere.

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 11:16 AM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> We use mid on anything under half a mile.  Beyond that we follow Gino on
> this.
>
>
>
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>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 2, 2020 1:54 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 Mid gain distance in 5ghz vs. 450b High
> gain SM.
>
>
>
> High gain everywhere.  Like Gino said, you never know when it's going to
> help in the RF environment, but it'll also save you on stocking additional
> parts.  If all of your customers on that AP are the same radio and one of
> them goes down, you know which spare to bring.  Vehicles have pretty
> limited space.
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 1:50 PM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> We go high gain on all installs, you never know how interference is going
> to pick up in the future.
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
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> *From: *AF  on behalf of Michael Meluskey <
> m...@broadband.vi>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, June 2, 2020 at 12:59 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] PMP 450 Mid gain distance in 5ghz vs. 450b High
> gain SM.
>
>
>
> 2 miles is our general rule of thumb for installing mid-gain vs
> high-gain…..there are exceptions based on interference
>
> On 2 Jun 2020, at 12:49, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Who here uses both and do you have a basic distance cap on using the
> midgain SM's? The installers are looking for a basic guideline.
>
> My answer of course is to put up both and test, but that is a PITA. Just
> wondering what the rest of you are doing in that regard.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try

[Ryan Ray]

I successfully docked on the first time without reading any of the
instructions. Send me to space.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:32 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Try out their docking simulator.
>
> https://iss-sim.spacex.com/
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/30/2020 12:42 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Yes on the up and down.  But if you want to catch up to another airplane
> you do give it more throttle.
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:39 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>
> So basically the way an airplane operates?
>
> On May 30, 2020, at 3:10 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> 
> I found it astounding to learn that during the first NASA manned docking
> test, the guys would give it some throttle and get farther away from the
> target.  Nobody had thought it through.
>
> More throttle == faster == higher orbit == slower orbital period.
>
> So you have to slow down to catch up if you want to dock.If you are
> behind, you slow down until you get ahead and then speed up to raise up and
> slow down...
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 12:53 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>
>
> It's not quite like shooting a bullet. There is a window that they can
> maneuver within. It may have to do with the amount of propellant carried in
> the "garage" attached to the back of the crew dragon. There also has to be
> enough left in that to de-orbit.
>
> I saw a series of diagrams somewhere (maybe on the SpaceX web site?) that
> illustrated all the various maneuvers at the different stages.
>
> The approach to the ISS is interesting in that there is an exclusion zone
> of sorts all around the ISS. They need to target to outside that zone until
> they make their final approach. Once they are in a parallel orbit just
> outside the exclusion zone, they can rotate and maneuver into the docking
> station. The crew dragon (and the cargo dragon) is that the whole operation
> is autonomous.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 5/30/2020 11:39 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Guy on radio was saying SpaceX crew capsule has to be launched at a
> specific time to rendezvous with the ISS, sounds like shooting a bullet.
> Same guy said Boeing design will have a wider launch window because it is
> more maneuverable.  Looking at photos they don’t seem that different.  Does
> this sound right?  Main difference seems to be the way they land, in water
> or on land.
>
>
>
> Not sure what happens to Boeing capsule if collapse of air travel on top
> of 737 Max fiasco spells the end of Boeing as a company.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 30, 2020 1:25 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Doug and Bob's Excellent Adventure - 2nd Try
>
>
>
>
>
> 1522 EDT (AKA 3:22 PM)
>
> 1422 CDT (AKA 2:22 PM)
>
> 1322 MDT (AKA 1:22 PM)
>
> 1222 PDT (AKA 12:22 PM)
>
> If you're not on daylight saving time, you know what to do.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2020 11:18 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Just a reminder in case you forgot.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Source for pre-made outdoor OS2 LC fiber cable

[Ryan Ray]

Thanks for the suggestions everyone. I've reached out to the companies.


On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 4:30 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> https://www.fs.com/products/97941.html
>
>
> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:54 PM dave  wrote:
>
>> BEST-Tronics.com
>> On 5/7/20 11:52 AM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have any sources for some pre-made outdoor OS2 lc - lc fiber? We
>> need various lengths between 100ft - 180ft. Need this within a few weeks.
>> Any ideas? We'd use the Cambium branded cable if we have to.
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] Source for pre-made outdoor OS2 LC fiber cable

[Ryan Ray]

Anyone have any sources for some pre-made outdoor OS2 lc - lc fiber? We
need various lengths between 100ft - 180ft. Need this within a few weeks.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Clamato vs Snappy Tom was: Is this good?

[Ryan Ray]

You guys never had a Caesar before?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(cocktail)

It's a delicious Canadian concoction. The clam juice makes all the
difference compared to tomato juice.

Yum. Wish I had one right now.


On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Apparently Clamato uses dried clam juice, as well as high fructose corn
> syrup and MSG, and reconstituted tomato juice.  But I found that on a
> source that has been called into question earlier today, so it’s probably
> fake news.  I’m sure Clamato uses only the freshest and highest quality
> ingredients.  Still won’t catch me drinking it.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 5:12 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Clamato vs Snappy Tom was: Is this good?
>
>
>
> It could be their "seed milk" also
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 4:58 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Clam juice has got to be clam urine.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 5/6/2020 2:15 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> I can’t stand V8 any temperature.  Maybe it needs vodka and tabasco.  I
> can’t think why anything needs clam juice, whatever that is.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:04 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Clamato vs Snappy Tom was: Is this good?
>
>
>
> I like V8 any temperature. It's especially good with vodka and Tabasco.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 5/6/2020 1:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> It doesn’t taste like clams.  I told my wife about a week ago it has clam
> juice in it that is why it has that name.  She did not believe me until she
> read the label.  I like it.  I like room temp V8 too.
>
>
>
> *From:* James Howard
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:49 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
>
>
> I don’t like clams except in chowder.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:41 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
>
>
> Clamato is good but Snappy Tom is better.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 2:39 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
>
>
> rural hospitals transfer all serious patients to urban hospitals thats how
> the emergency/long term care is structured
>
>
>
> I heard that clamato is good, but ive never tried it. im not big on those
> sandwich on top one, either drink or eat, that the way i look at it
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:35 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> The Future:  Rural hospitals are going to be overloaded.  I just can't see
> any way around that.
>
>
>
> Also, UI earnings should be coming out soon.  Might see some nice squeeze
> action.  I'm looking for a squeeze to 250.  Looks like someone, I'd guess
> UBNT, was buying up everything under ~135 through the first Covid crash.
> Unless that was smart shorts covering the float is getting thin.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 3:21 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I also will observe Lent on this line of discussion but do want to point
> out that the antibody test is those who have theoretically already had it.
> Was it an antibody test in that you SF that you quoted 2% for below?  If
> so, that is a different story.  Yes, I agree that the 3k tested leaves a
> margin of error but 20% of the overall tests done throughout NYC would
> indicate LOTS of people who’ve already had it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert Andrews
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 6, 2020 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
>
>
> I will abate from any other discussion of this, but I do need to point
> out that there is _evidence_ of what I quoted. NOT munged numbers put
> forth to further an agenda.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-test-ny.html
>
> Yes Antibody tests on 3 thousand people are subject to the errors of the
> antibody tests. I argued exactly that against the testing done by the
> Stanford group. But at least this was supposed to be a random cross
> section of people.
>
> On 05/06/2020 12:33 PM, James Howard wrote:
> > I’ve read all your posts. You have consistently ignored things that
> > don’t fit with what you believe.
> >
> > NYC was testing NOBODY except suspected cases who either had symptoms or
> > had been in direct contact with confirmed cases.
> >
> > Only 20% of the SUSPECTED cases were coming back positive. This is NOT
> > 20% of the population. It’s 20% of the people tested who they thought
> > actually had it.
> >
> > You ridicule Dr. Erickson for using the NYC percentage but if you
> > actually listened to what he said, he said that even with the percentage
> > a lot higher because they only tested suspected cases, the overall
> > numbers if you use 

Re: [AFMUG] customer wants to switch WISPs to solve WiFi problem

[Ryan Ray]

It would be nice of you to nudge the current isp and tell them, but they
should be watching out for this kind of thing. People are people though,
sometimes a little education is all they need. If they called their ISP and
got the brush off we would take that connection all day and do proper wifi.

Sucks to be selling a what seems like good service with a poor router and
wrecking customer experiences.


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:00 PM James Howard  wrote:

> You are completely out of line Ken.  If their current WISP had any decency
> at all they NEVER would have let them have a poor connection to their WiFi.
>
>
>
> Seriously though, I am dealing with pretty much the same exact thing with
> one of our customers.  She “got disconnected from a Zoom meeting and had to
> finish the meeting in her vehicle on her phone”.It’s totally irrelevant
> that she has a 5000+ sq ft house and a router in the corner of it that
> shows lousy signals all the time when she goes to the other end…….
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, May 4, 2020 7:44 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] customer wants to switch WISPs to solve WiFi problem
>
>
>
> Prospective customer wants to switch to us, they get 24M x 24M and 18ms
> ping on speedtest with their current WISP.  It seems like the only problem
> is their router is in the attached garage not in the middle of the house.
>
>
>
> Am I wrong to want this customer to just work with their current WISP to
> get the cable extended to a better router location?
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Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

[Ryan Ray]

Oh nevermind, yea those links are busted. Just email trango they should be
able to send them. Ray Sewell is on the ball over there.


On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 12:04 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Link works for me.
>
> v2.0r3
> <http://www.trangosys.com/support/documents/infobase/downloads/TrangoLINK-45_2p0r3.zip>
>
> Resolved Issues:
> - Fixed: Failed to set power 19 or more in Ch16
> - Fixed: Failed to upgrade IC to 2p0r2
>
>
> 
>
> v2.0r2
> <http://www.trangosys.com/support/documents/infobase/downloads/TrangoLINK-45_2p0r2.zip>
>
> Resolved Issues:
> - Improvement to VLAN for management access
> - Reset power settings after reboot
> - Incorrect result display between Avg dBm and Peak dBm after site survey
> through HTTP
> - Allow administrator to disable auto rate shifting
>
> Enhancements:
> - Allow administrator to ignore DFS signal (OE version only)
> rdrignore [on|off] - default is off
> - "[Elapse]" for DFS's cac in "sysinfo"
> - "autoscanmu" for RU
>
>
> 
>
> v2.0v1
> <http://www.trangosys.com/support/documents/infobase/downloads/TrangoLINK-45_2p0v1.zip>
>
> New Features:
> - VLAN aware
> - Class of Service (COS) capable
>
>
> 
>
> v2.0r1
> <http://www.trangosys.com/support/documents/infobase/downloads/TrangoLINK-45_2p0r1.zip>
> - Original Release
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:29 AM Shayne Lebrun 
> wrote:
>
>> No, because those links don’t go to firmware files but to squatter
>> domains.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:14 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?
>>
>>
>>
>> Do the files linked in this page work for you?
>> https://support.gotrango.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/214334083-Firmware-Downloads-TrangoLink-45
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Shayne Lebrun 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45
>> lying around?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?

[Ryan Ray]

Link works for me.

v2.0r3


Resolved Issues:
- Fixed: Failed to set power 19 or more in Ch16
- Fixed: Failed to upgrade IC to 2p0r2



v2.0r2


Resolved Issues:
- Improvement to VLAN for management access
- Reset power settings after reboot
- Incorrect result display between Avg dBm and Peak dBm after site survey
through HTTP
- Allow administrator to disable auto rate shifting

Enhancements:
- Allow administrator to ignore DFS signal (OE version only)
rdrignore [on|off] - default is off
- "[Elapse]" for DFS's cac in "sysinfo"
- "autoscanmu" for RU



v2.0v1


New Features:
- VLAN aware
- Class of Service (COS) capable



v2.0r1

- Original Release

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 11:29 AM Shayne Lebrun 
wrote:

> No, because those links don’t go to firmware files but to squatter domains.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 15, 2020 11:14 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Trango Link 45 firmware?
>
>
>
> Do the files linked in this page work for you?
> https://support.gotrango.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/214334083-Firmware-Downloads-TrangoLink-45
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 9:03 AM Shayne Lebrun 
> wrote:
>
> I don’t suppose anybody happens to have firmware for a Trango Link45 lying
> around?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

[Ryan Ray]

We pay Bell for public IP addresses. No NAT.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 9:24 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> how do u get through cellular nat?
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 8:14 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:
>
>> We use cradle point ARC CBA850. Very stable solution and has always
>> worked for OOB.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:16 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> awesome, good info.
>>>
>>> hologram might not be the cheapest, but they have one of the easiest
>>> ways to punch through the cellular nat...
>>>
>>> 1NCE looks amazing but how do you get sims? they don't ship to usa...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> FYI, there are lots of other IoT SIM providers. For example 1NCE is 10
>>>> euros for 10 years with 500 MB of data. Top ups are 10 euros per 500 MB.
>>>> Global coverage. Disclaimer: haven't used it.
>>>>
>>>> There are others at a buck or two per month for larger data amounts.
>>>> Apparently T-Mobile has an unlimited IoT SIM for $25/year capped at 64 
>>>> kbps.
>>>>
>>>> Jared
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>>>> *From:* "TJ Trout" 
>>>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying.
>>>>
>>>> I have options for oob IP and or console access.
>>>>
>>>> Wondering what you guys do / best practices.
>>>>
>>>> I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the acm
>>>> by tunneling through their nat.
>>>>
>>>> Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.
>>>>
>>>> The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment
>>>> during an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access.
>>>>
>>>> TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices

[Ryan Ray]

We use cradle point ARC CBA850. Very stable solution and has always worked
for OOB.

On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 3:16 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> awesome, good info.
>
> hologram might not be the cheapest, but they have one of the easiest ways
> to punch through the cellular nat...
>
> 1NCE looks amazing but how do you get sims? they don't ship to usa...
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 3:25 PM  wrote:
>
>> FYI, there are lots of other IoT SIM providers. For example 1NCE is 10
>> euros for 10 years with 500 MB of data. Top ups are 10 euros per 500 MB.
>> Global coverage. Disclaimer: haven't used it.
>>
>> There are others at a buck or two per month for larger data amounts.
>> Apparently T-Mobile has an unlimited IoT SIM for $25/year capped at 64 kbps.
>>
>> Jared
>>
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, April 03, 2020
>> *From:* "TJ Trout" 
>> *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Out of band access best practices
>> All,
>>
>> I bought some opengear acm's that I am working on deploying.
>>
>> I have options for oob IP and or console access.
>>
>> Wondering what you guys do / best practices.
>>
>> I think I will use hologram.io cellular because I can access the acm by
>> tunneling through their nat.
>>
>> Alternative might be a $10 DSL connection.
>>
>> The idea here is being able to troubleshoot core routing equipment during
>> an outage when I'm off net or even on net but no ip access.
>>
>> TJ
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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Ryan Ray]

Nothing quite like billionaires doing whatever they want. It's the American
way.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 6:05 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Not sure how I feel about rumors SpaceX is eyeing RDOF as a source of
> funds.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 11:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt
>
>
>
> Spacex next?
>
>
>
>
> http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2020/03/21/why-spacex-desperately-needs-a-government-bailout/
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market
> to pull money from...
>
> On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Ooops
> >
> >> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> And another one bites the dust.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/
> >>
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> >> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Ryan Ray]

Doh I just noticed you're the one who posted the thread! Shows me for not
paying attention.


On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 12:05 PM Ryan Ray  wrote:

> Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.
>
>
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not
>> be easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they also
>> did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out first,
>> that’s just my guess though.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> If I understand the question, the answer is yes.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an
>> inclinometer to it?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>>
>>
>>
>> The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up
>> from the plastic housing on the rear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.
>>
>>
>>
>> (I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy

[Ryan Ray]

Here's your answer Ken. It's for a cell phone.

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/Post-sticking-up-on-new-450b-high-gain/m-p/116485#M9134



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 10:05 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> They also moved the LEDs to where you can actually see them.  Might not be
> easy, but the old ones were impossible, especially with a radome.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 11:48 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> Thank god the original cord grip was a PITA
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 12:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Yes, at least they did on the 3 GHz version.  My guess would be they also
> did on the 5 GHz version but old stock would have to be flushed out first,
> that’s just my guess though.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:46 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> did they change the cord grip yet for the Ethernet cable?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 6:48 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If I understand the question, the answer is yes.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:25 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> Is it aligned with the plane of the signal, like could you attach an
> inclinometer to it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 28, 2020 3:01 PM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450b mystery thingy
>
>
>
> The new version 450b high gain has an added vertical post sticking up from
> the plastic housing on the rear.
>
>
>
> Anybody know what this is for?  Just curious.
>
>
>
> (I don’t know if the equivalent ePMP Force radios have this.)
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Re: [AFMUG] Oneweb is apparently bankrupt

[Ryan Ray]

Spacex next?

http://tmfassociates.com/blog/2020/03/21/why-spacex-desperately-needs-a-government-bailout/

On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:34 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Expected to go out for funding based upon launch success and no market
> to pull money from...
>
> On 03/29/2020 01:06 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > Ooops
> >
> >> On Mar 29, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> >>
> >> And another one bites the dust.
> >>
> >>
> https://www.wired.com/story/spacex-competitor-oneweb-is-reportedly-bankrupt/
> >>
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