Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

Harold, Can you elaborate further on the gateway you're referring to? I thought you guys only had access points, not home routers. On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 12:17 AM Harold Bledsoe wrote: > This. > > I think the main point is that when you are delivering an internet >

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

6.38.1? They like to fix stuff and not tell anyone. And then break more stuff and still not tell anyone. I don't expect 6.38.x to be stable enough for production use for at least a month. Maybe two. Or three. On 1/17/2017 10:33 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: Any of you guys work with switches

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

This. I think the main point is that when you are delivering an internet connection, if the last foot (e.g. bad WiFi) is bad, the average customer is going to assume the internet connection is bad. Managed WiFi gives you the visibility you need to know what is going on and a chance to fix it

[AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Any of you guys work with switches a lot? I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood. But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a datacenter. I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks. I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

They can call us anytime the want for help with our router (almost zero calls per month) if it dies we replace it (1 per year) Selling point is they don't have to talk to [insert router brand here] who will charge them $150 for the first support call. There's about 100 other selling points

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

We owned the local customer network. Anything we could help with remotely we would do. A site visit was $65/hr, minimum 1/2 hour. If the router dies over the weekend they could stop by the office to pick up a pre-configured replacement, loaded with the same config as their old router... but that

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

What kind of support is included with managed routers? Selling points? What happens if the router dies over a weekend? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jan 17, 2017, at 11:02 AM, Sean Heskett wrote: > > 844E is less than $150 > > we buy direct from calix > >

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

LLDP is good stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dan Petermann" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 10:43:58 AM Subject: [AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

That was it. Thank you On Jan 17, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Larry Smith wrote: > Pretty sure lldpd is Link Layer Discovery Protocol > and I pretty much always turn it off, or set to > receive only. > > -- > Larry Smith > lesm...@ecsis.net > > On Tue January 17 2017 10:43, Dan

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

Pretty sure lldpd is Link Layer Discovery Protocol and I pretty much always turn it off, or set to receive only. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Tue January 17 2017 10:43, Dan Petermann wrote: > I get the following in the syslog for an ePMP force 110 used as a BHM and > connected to a Force

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

Yeah, that's a no-no for us, too. If someone is going to be home, have to be at least 18. Jesse DuPont Network Architect email:

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

The people who don't worry about not being home also don't really lock their doors. Not in this area... Jesse DuPont Network Architect

Re: [AFMUG] Adding poles - dumb question

He's nuts, never heard of such a thing On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:49 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Thanks, I just needed to hear somebody say it. > We're not in Bizarro World, and the power company doesn't own the air > above my head, and so forth. > > > -- Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] Adding poles - dumb question

Thanks, I just needed to hear somebody say it. We're not in Bizarro World, and the power company doesn't own the air above my head, and so forth. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 1/17/2017 1:35:02 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

You could start a side business. Call some of your old contacts from the hood and say, "hey I just happen to know a place and time where nobody's gonna be home...just sayin." -- Original Message -- From: "That One Guy /sarcasm" To: "af@afmug.com"

Re: [AFMUG] Adding poles - dumb question

Sounds nuts to me. If they want to attach power to your pole they will have to pay for the upgrade. That is what they will do to you if you want to attach and the pole is not testing good. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:27 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Adding

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

nope nope nope too much liability these folks that leave their kids home alone to meet strangers are out of their minds On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: > They still have to access the inside of the home don't they? > > Jesse DuPont wrote: > >>

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

Shouldn't be any need to replace the SAF links... that setup sounds like it could be workable to me, but I'm not a frequency coordinator... I'd say it's certainly worth talking to a frequency coordinator and see if they can make it work. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Paul McCall

[AFMUG] Adding poles - dumb question

I want to run fiber down a road where there's a gap in the existing poles. The power company feeds the road from opposite directions, which I can't do. We looked at underground vs adding our own poles in the gap, and adding poles wins by a huge margin. We were going to do 30' poles because

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

They still have to access the inside of the home don't they? Jesse DuPont wrote: Sometime we will have an installer stop by when they are home, ahead of their scheduled install, to talk things through and reach consensus, then show up on install day and do the job without them home. *_Jesse

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

On the tower in question, we have (2) existing 11 Ghz radios on 90 ft. tower 1. 85 ft. up facing 208 degrees SAF Lumina 56 Mhz license presently 2. 76 ft. up facing 287 degrees SAF Lumina 56 Mhz license presently We want to add (2) more 11Ghz links which we can mount at 65 feet

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

Sometime we will have an installer stop by when they are home, ahead of their scheduled install, to talk things through and reach consensus, then show up on install day and do the job without them home.

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

I have done that in the past... I was thinking something a little heavier than that, kind of halfway between, but I'm not sure there's really enough market for it. I guess generally if the satellite feet aren't good enough it's not a big deal to go all the way to an M-TOW. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

And it's better than the AF5x type of frequency re-use, since you could mix any brand of full duplex radios. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Yup. What Faisal said. > > Basically the two co-located units transmitting on the same channel > doesn't

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

I could do a powder coated zinc electroplate version that is made out of the same stuff satellite tv antenna mounts are made out of. Actually, why not just use satellite feet with U bolts? From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 9:09 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

Yup. What Faisal said. Basically the two co-located units transmitting on the same channel doesn't matter as long the two remote ends each hear only one of them. Usually the beamwidth is so narrow that you have lots of re-use opportunity. -- Original Message -- From: "Faisal

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

. Since one channel (dedicated) is used for TX and another one (dedicate) for RX ... with appropriate separation it is possible to make things work... :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

Theres no need for gps sync reuse in fdx world … From: Af > on behalf of Paul McCall > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 at

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

OK. CAN they work with Re-Use like the 5x stuff does? (licensing aside) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 11:56 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ?? I don't see why not, as long as you can talk

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

I don't see why not, as long as you can talk a frequency coordinator into doing it. It's not like anyone else is going to object to it. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:55 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > will they approve self interfering links? > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

will they approve self interfering links? On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: > Yeah... talk to a frequency coordinator. My understanding is, that if you > file an application that would only interfere with your own stuff, nobody > is going to care, and

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

Yeah... talk to a frequency coordinator. My understanding is, that if you file an application that would only interfere with your own stuff, nobody is going to care, and it'll go through fine... obviously you would have to make sure you weren't really interfering with your other links. On Tue,

[AFMUG] ePMP1000 logs

I get the following in the syslog for an ePMP force 110 used as a BHM and connected to a Force 200 BHS. Here is the entry: Jan 17 08:31:24 FCSO BHM lldpd[2170]: unable to get system name It shows up every 10 minutes. I found this while looking for a reason the link drops randomly and doesn’t

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

This question is best to be asked to your Freq. coordinator... Some of your assumptions are not quite the way things work :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email:

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

On 1/17/17 08:28, Paul McCall wrote: Just had a thought as we have a tower with 2 11ghz links on them ATM, and I would love to add a 3^rd and 4^th . Wondering if the AF11x is designed for frequency reuse, and does the FCC understand that so they wouldn�t kick back the application because

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

It's kind of an interesting idea to use one of these instead of a HEX POE, and have the wireless there for emergency backup purposes, but the wireless is going to be pretty much useless for backup to ePMP or UBNT AC (can't switch ePMP to wifi mode without access to the SMs, and UBNT AC doesn't

[AFMUG] AF11x - frequency reuse ??

Just had a thought as we have a tower with 2 11ghz links on them ATM, and I would love to add a 3rd and 4th. Wondering if the AF11x is designed for frequency reuse, and does the FCC understand that so they wouldn't kick back the application because of "lack of available frequencies" ? Sorry

Re: [AFMUG] Our UBNT AF11x experience

I was going to say No SFP is a deal breaker for me, but not really. Our “top to bottom” is isolated with fiber and dual 48v protectors into an S16. Short run of copper from S16 to a POE driven device (with a POE protector inline also). Not perfect, but I am anticipating the arrival of an S16

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

OK fine, HEX POE https://routerboard.com/RB960PGS Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Stefan Englhardt wrote: > It has 5 switched **gigabit** ports. 750P/Toughbox has only 100M. > >

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

Yes. It has the same switch chip but you need a housing if you want to put it outdoor. For small sites you just throw up an omnitik and feed it with poe and a AF5x to get the bandwidth. There you are able to do standard 802.11ac with the omnitik (hey mimosas did you tdma now ;-)) or just plug

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

Since the biggest tower we have is 5", I would like that. On a somewhat related note, would anyone else be interested in a smaller/lighter duty version of the M-TOW? they're overkill for a lot of stuff we do... I'm thinking something like 3" max pipe and thinner steel. I guess there wouldn't

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

844E is less than $150 we buy direct from calix we charge $99 "setup fee" and $12/mo for our "managed wifi" service. (we retain ownership of all hardware) excellent take rate so far :-) -sean On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 10:31 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > What's the

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Cacti Template

Thanks Steve! I owe ya some beers at the next event WISPA :-) -Sean On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:52 AM, Steve Utick wrote: > I've got a template that I built. You can grab a copy at: > http://www.north-hill.net/cacti-siklu.zip We've used it on both the > 1200TL and 1200

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

The new hEX POE (RB960) has PoE gbit ports. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:14 AM -0700, "Stefan Englhardt" wrote: It has 5 switched *gigabit* ports. 750P/Toughbox has only 100M.     - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email:

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

I Agree its a silly question for a new service installation. We do occasionally schedule service calls without a customer being home if we are fairly certian it is an outside issue (antenna realign or swap radio etc). What bothers me is the customers who schedule something where we tell them they

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

It has 5 switched *gigabit* ports. 750P/Toughbox has only 100M. - GENIAS INTERNET -- www.genias.net -- Stefan Englhardt Email: s...@genias.net Dr. Gesslerstr. 20 D-93051 Regensburg Tel: +49 941 942798-0Fax: +49

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

Actually, I think that a significant number of our subscribers akin our service to "satellite", as that's the term they use to refer to the thing on their roof. On your second point, I completely agree. bp On 1/17/2017 7:12 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Remember

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

Remember your service is wireless. The average consumer thinks that is something like cellular in their mind, to them it would be like you just shipping them a hotspot and it just works like cellular companies do. WISP infrastructure is still not completely understood as compared to cable or

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

I don't understand why you wouldn't use a 750P or Toughbox for this job, what's the Omnitik doing for you (for non MT wireless users)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Stefan Englhardt

Re: [AFMUG] Industry SIC code for us?

4822 On Jan 17, 2017 3:30 AM, "Tushar Patel" wrote: What Industry SIC code we should be using for various business forms? Tushar

[AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

It seems that recently over 50% of the installation calls I'm setting up ask the question "Does someone need to be home when you come to install?" Do the satellite or phone companies do installs with nobody home now that has set this precedent? It just seems like a strange question to ask

Re: [AFMUG] Industry SIC code for us?

BGB. Baddest Gang in the Barrio On Jan 17, 2017 3:30 AM, "Tushar Patel" wrote: > What Industry SIC code we should be using for various business forms? > > Tushar > >

[AFMUG] Mikrotik Omnitik 5 PoE ac

Finally it is here. Great tool even for non MT-Wireless users. Just feeded it with the included 28V Powersupply 15m cable. Plugged in a AF5X and 3 Rocket AC PTMP and powered them all. AF5X needs PoE "forced on". Health says 27.1V. So it dropped 1V. All ports GE. All 5 ports are

Re: [AFMUG] tracking manpower budgets

Time sheets, showing each job. My rule of thumb is double their rate of pay to arrive at a loaded time expense figure. That errs on the safe side in most cases. For a simple business (one business entity, one division) the online version of QB is cheap and has all the features you need for

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

Thanks From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 5:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts We bought a gazillion of these things last year for a project with 10" diameter poles: http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=2234 It says there the

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

Thanks. One of my distributors is asking that I go from 4.5” to 5” pipe ability on all my stuff. That is a pretty minor change and I will probably do that. From: George Skorup Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 6:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts That was me. The

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

Which range extenders do you like? Timothy Steele wrote: All the best long range routers are a base unit with 2 range extender's issues I've seen with over powered routers like the nighthawk is when customer is next to the router the signal can get way too hot and the customer will think

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

With 5GHz, the best solution is not a single "badass AP", but more APs at lower power. Not only will the performance be better (and with that comes better customer satisfaction), but there's more margin available for the service provider. On Jan 17, 2017 6:14 AM, "Timothy Steele"

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

We bought a gazillion of these things last year for a project with 10" diameter poles: http://www.commscope.com/catalog/wireless/product_details.aspx?id=2234 It says there the small side is 4-9", but it's waaay smaller than that. Like 2-4" maybe. I see 6" round legs all the time. Bigger

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

Nice thing about the M2 is the directional antenna. If the router ends up next to an outside wall, then whatever energy you're transmitting into the wall with an omni is wastedespecially if it's in a corner. But yeah, no pretty way to install that. -- Original Message -- From:

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

All the best long range routers are a base unit with 2 range extender's issues I've seen with over powered routers like the nighthawk is when customer is next to the router the signal can get way too hot and the customer will think the internet is dropping really the best solution is a cambium

Re: [AFMUG] Managed routers for customers

Managing said router is a good upsell and helps your customer's experience with your service. I've seen people charge between $4-$12/mo for this service. Basically, you're responsible for: firmware upgrades, port forwards, vpns, telling them their wireless password, etc. Not only does it help

[AFMUG] Industry SIC code for us?

What Industry SIC code we should be using for various business forms? Tushar