Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless. Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's a nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in Romania.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Thanks for the information. Others were saying the ZTE units are basically without any support, so I thought that might be a potential benefit to the Ubiquiti gear. What do you use to manage the ZTE gear? Is it just CLI? -Jason On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Thanks, and yes, it would be grey market since I'm not willing to pay nearly double for the supported version. Point taken on the Ubiquiti support though, I just figured crap support is better than no support. Going back to the distributed tap design, how does an OTDR behave with this kind of

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I've for a while thinking than an 'unconference' or 'open space conference' or 'barcamp' would be interesting. The WISPA conferences aren't really set up well to handle this type of thing. Ideally you'd end up in a space with a 'common area' and then breakout rooms/areas. The first 20 minutes

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

The pricing for a ZTE OLT from Baltic is $4-5k. Is that about right? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > > Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever > dealt with ubnt support? Last

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: test from non sub

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

I'm definitely going to look hard at the distributed tap design. Another thing that turned me off from PON was Alphion telling me that interop between different PON vendors was not guaranteed. Realistically, how much trouble have you had cross vendor? If I use ZTE today and decide UBNT is

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

You have to change the splitter value as you go down the road. First few handhole might be a 5% the step to 10% Etc. I can usually run out about 12-15 handhole with various mix of mostly 2 and 4 cust per HH, if you are starting further from the cabinet, that hurts a bit of course. Just set up a

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

There's insertion loss at each splitter too. How may of the 10/90 splitters can you put inline before you get too low on light? Class B or class C optics? -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Fabien" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/14/2018 10:50:41 PM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

I think it's Commscope (TE) that also has a solution that is for FBT with their MST/DLX options. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Chris Fabien wrote: > You have to change the splitter value as you go down the road. First few > handhole might be a 5% the step

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Just like tap loss on CATV if you have ever done one of those. Taps closer to the amp have less insertion loss than taps further down the road. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 5:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT You have to change the splitter

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

They have a couple different options to achieve this, but they are much more expensive than just putting the bare splitters in whatever splice tray/closure they prefer. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > I think it's Commscope (TE) that also has a solution

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Mid January works too ;) On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > That could work. The middle of summer would be about as far as you can get > from the Wispa events... and punching holes in the dirt sounds like fun. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:25 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

What are you using for handholes? Full traffic rated handholes are a large expense. I am working on a lower cost idea, but if something equivalent to my idea already exists I would rather just buy them. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject:

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTIn the olden days, 20km restriction was related to timing delay. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:23 PM To: Chris Fabien Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chris, I think the 60km max reach and 20km ONU restriction is part

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

You can make the cards longer… From: Af > on behalf of Chuck McCown > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way to make hard boiled eggs! For the record, boiling the water first then adding the eggs for the 12 minutes works great J There was a lot of scientific research contributed to the group by Chuck on that topic…. Thank

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

How much margin above sensitivity should be targeted? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Feb 14, 2018, at 11:01 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: > > Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max difference > of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I am still up in the air between adding vinegar or baking soda to the water. Need to add lots of salt for certain. From: Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chris, You can do very creative things with splitters.  I just finished designing service to 64 lots down a 4.5 mile dirt road.  We didn't want to spend a bunch of money being there are only about 20 built house right now, but we wanted to make sure we were

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Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I can. I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger pull hole. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... You can make the cards longer… From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

There is a ‘sort of’ standard at least with Andrew / ComScope antenna’s. With the Andrew antenna’s the mounting plate and waveguide adapter is interchangeable. Kits exist to swap between the various brands of radios. I have turned PTP800 Remec mount and SAF branded antenna’s into 820C’s

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Mark - You're just using standard splitters? On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Chris, > > You can do very creative things with splitters. I just finished designing > service to 64 lots down a 4.5 mile dirt road. We didn't want to spend a >

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

+1 On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I can.� I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger pull hole. *From:* Gino A. Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... You can make the cards longer� From:

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

*the yolk - sometime swipe typing does me wrong. On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > I prefer 8 minutes, that way there yolk is just barely solid, not chalky. > I guess it depends on how you're preparing them. > > On Thursday, February 15,

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

I prefer 8 minutes, that way there yolk is just barely solid, not chalky. I guess it depends on how you're preparing them. On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Brian Webster wrote: > If it weren’t for this list I would have never investigated a better way > to make hard

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTI know I would be interested in seeing a simple line drawing schematic of this example. From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 9:22 AM To: Chris Fabien Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chris, You can do very creative things with

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Re: [AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

AF5x is... I assume an AF5 would be too, but I haven't ever tried it. My experience has been that pretty much anything that does PoE on a gigabit port is polarity agnostic. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 2:25 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Does anyone know if the AF6 is polarity agnostic? > >

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

I've been using these: https://oldcastleenclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/WA-Carson_2200.pdf About $70 with extension. I prefer the round handholes - probably a bit stronger from a crushing standpoint as well, since the lid is much smaller. -Jason

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

So, with extension they are 24” deep? If you put a coil at the bottom and lean the splice case in at a slant it ought to work just fine. What size of splice cases have you put in these? From: Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Nice thing about HDPE is that you can brand your name into the lids with an electric branding iron. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT I've been using these:

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

12” Depth: 15” Depth: 18” Depth: So you get the middle size for $82. Seems a bit tight to me, if you have a 144 strand splice in a 21 inch splice case and 50 feet of slack. I wonder what the 18” will cost. I may try this and the round one. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, February

[AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

Does anyone know if the AF6 is polarity agnostic? It calls for 1245+ 3678- but I have a mimosa POE only and it's a different pinout I think it's 1236 +4578- Has anyone tested? Smoke? TJ

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

We get 17x30x15. Tyco B size will fit but it's tight. A is no prob. On Feb 15, 2018 2:33 PM, wrote: > A splice case and slack will fit OK? > Which size do you get for the $82? > > *From:* Chris Fabien > *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:04 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] AF5 powered with mimosa POE

AF5 I meant On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > AF5x is... I assume an AF5 would be too, but I haven't ever tried it. My > experience has been that pretty much anything that does PoE on a gigabit > port is polarity agnostic. > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at

[AFMUG] Fw: test from non sub

It appears it did not go through. From: ch...@directcom.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 2:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: test from non sub This is a test from a non subscribed email address.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Chuck, I would love to hear your lower cost idea. Right now we use mainly HDPE handholes, not load rated, and place them so it's unlikely to see heavy traffic. We have had one crushed so far by a tractor, so its not perfect (but the fiber was OKAY). But they are $75ea vs $200 for a polymer

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chris, It all depends on scale.  Not saying taps won't work, just saying I could never figure out a good way of scaling them beyond maybe 12-16 customers.  Always was afraid to deal with having to take everyone south of the new tap offline.  In the scheme I

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

A splice case and slack will fit OK? Which size do you get for the $82? From: Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 12:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT https://oldcastleenclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/WA-Carson_1730.pdf Cheked our last order, $82

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Thanks for the information Mark, might have to sketch this out to fully wrap my head around it though :) On Thursday, February 15, 2018, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote: > Chuck, > > > Fiber A & B are fibers on the main line. Splice Fiber A to 1x4 splitter > to Drop(1-4).

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

Chuck, I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm plan, just play around with some stuff? TJ On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Red Iguana > > We could do it kinda like it started. > > Pick a date next winter, I will reserve a hotel

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Mark, In our area, limited new house construction. So, we design our plant to serve existing houses. You of course have the option of putting in all the taps you might need now, rather than cutting them in later. We usually end up with at least one drop coming back to maybe 80% of the handholes. I

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for NewEquipment

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Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, Fiber A & B are fibers on the main line.  Splice Fiber A to 1x4 splitter to Drop(1-4).  Take Fiber B from main line and splice to drop Fiber 9.  Splice Drop 1 to 1x4 splitter to Drop(5-8).  At this point Drop fibers 5-8 are hot for customers.  Proceed

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

We can do that. Maybe my wife’s new smoker will be done by then and we can eat some smoky dead animals. From: TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 11:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck Chuck, I like the idea of bringing it back to the roots, no real firm

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

https://oldcastleenclosures.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/WA-Carson_1730.pdf Cheked our last order, $82 with the lid bolts. Milennium is our local supplier that stocks them. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 1:14 PM, wrote: > Could you give me a source for your handholes? > I took 36”

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Could you give me a source for your handholes? I took 36” HDPE culvert and and cut it into 24” slices and made steel lids. But I have more than $75 into just the culvert piece alone. From: Chris Fabien Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

+1 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Robert wrote: > +1 > > On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >> I can.� I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger >> pull hole. >> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Title: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chris, Once again not saying it is right or wrong.  All depends on your requirements.  Just wanted to throw out another design option for people to look at.  One of the nice things about GPON is the way one can get very creative with the splits.  I have looked

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLTAnd the customer that lost $50K in day trading can’t pay their bill because of that... From: Mark - Myakka Technologies Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT Chuck, Fiber A & B are fibers on the main line.

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

We just ring cut the cable at the handholes. Later when a drop comes in to that handhole we just open the case and splice the drop to a strand. But this is a home run strand back to the cross box where the splitters are located. While I like 12 count prices, the cost of construction is such

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti? On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien wrote: > Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max > difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter > that needs to be set.

[AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

Hey all, Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am looking to put something in that is light on juice. thanks Sam -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 2000 AP real world Wattage.

Typically 8-10 watts, from what I've seen. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:33 PM, Sam Lambie wrote: > Hey all, > > Has anyone cared to note what the real wattage draw of the AP is under > load? I have a solar site that is getting close to full power wise and am > looking to put

Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT

The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5 runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH, with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying the Nano