Re: [AFMUG] Vivint speeds

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Hmmm, they must have figured out the regulatory issue preventing it from happening. Odd that that was a big deal for them nationwide but no here in their HQ state. -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2015 6:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint

Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question

2015-03-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
If it’s one direction only, probably electronics. If both directions, probably antenna or path. You say you’ve verified xmt power is actually at 14 dB? Many radios vary xmt power with modulation and/or ATPC. Have they done a FW update since the original install when it measured in mid 40’s?

Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question

2015-03-09 Thread Jaime Solorza
I was hired as tower monkey. But I am putting together a list of questions. ...if I go back I need more answers u guys are giving me good ideas and questions Jaime Solorza On Mar 9, 2015 7:47 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: If it’s one direction only, probably electronics. If both

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Vince West
Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the whole AP. I am not really sure WDS is going to help you much. WDS mostly provides L2 access, if you CPE is a bridged CPE. I am not sure

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread That One Guy
not to hijack you, but there are some who maintain a fully bridged network and use VLAN instead of routing, this I am curious about, it may be a cost effective solution for you as well. I started our migration 4ish years ago and had the budget cut out from under me with only half the routers

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Westlake
I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM, That One Guy wrote: I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Jeremy
I am one of those people. We run a fully bridged network with segmented VLANs to each AP. We also prune the VLANs over each backhaul link so the packets only go where they are supposed to. This segments the broadcast domain and resolves the majority of the issues that a bridged network can

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
He has three stations talking to one AP. They're not doing WDS repeater. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, I should have said flat network. I think many of us had a flat bridged network when we first started. From: Jeremy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. I am one of those people. We run

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Vince West
Thanks for the clarification. I was almost positive that some form of WDS causes a bandwidth hit. I wasn't sure. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 P: 1-888-364-4232 F: 1-502-722-9292 On Mar 9, 2015 11:29 AM, Jerry Richardson

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mathew Howard
The best way to go is probably going to depend a lot on what hardware is already in place. if it's just cheap unmanaged switches everywhere now, I'd personally start by replacing them all with Mikrotik routers. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think it

[AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Adam Moffett
I'm looking at a site where somebody has installed three UBNT M5 stations pointing at a UBNT M5 AP. Performance station to station is important for this customer, and it kind of sucks. I'm suggesting that we replace the whole thing with three separate point to point links, but in the short

Re: [AFMUG] 18ghz question

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
Didn't invent it. Just called it by the wrong name. It's called Accu-Aim. The scope just plugs into the feedhorn hole in their optic antennas, and this allows you to use it with other people's antennas. http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=75 bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/8/2015

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Non wds links run ARPNAT which is a performance hit as well as a possible source for layer two problems. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Definitely not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:23 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
I think we need photos... From: Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least 3 times. You've awakened feelings in me I didn't know I had. On 03/09/2015 10:07

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I bridge, I put a small Mikrotik like a 450G or a 2011 there as a managed switch. That way it can be converted to routed, often without a truck roll. One question is

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread James Howard
You've never had the feeling that you were about to vomit before? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Simon Westlake Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space I had to reread that second paragraph at least

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread That One Guy
Butch Evans is doing an online mikrotik training here shortly if you want to go the mikrotik route and arent familiar with their products yet On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:50 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote: Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Look up variable declaration types. I'm willing to bet someone did the math wrong. I've seen it a couple times before but I can't recall where. While the IPs look random, they're not. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Cameron Crum
Didn't you say one had like 10 miles on it? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote: And if anyone tells you about the three brand new Ferraris I just bought, they're lying. They were not brand new. On 03/09/2015 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Better than the cross stitch. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:43 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I can see the T shirt now. Photo: Tied off shirt, daisy dukes, heels, hair, makeup. Caption: “I should

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridgednetworktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
I think it takes less new hardware and less expensive hardware. If you have a flat network, you are almost certainly using switches and many switches will support VLANs. So nothing to buy there. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:42 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Westlake
I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only change the IPs when a customer updated their equipment in the portal? And why would we even make it visible? If I really wanted to hide a bitcoin miner on your

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
Right. Flat and bridged are two different things. If you are bridging VLANs all over the place, that doesn't really qualify as flat. I might argue that bridging VLANs might be a bit more complicated to manage, but I don't really know; I've never tried it. Routing works for me. bp

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Jeremy
Also, depending on your monitoring system, you should be able to track CPE and AP bandwidth as is. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: The availability of inexpensive Mikrotik routers made this much less of an issue than it used to be. Even at micropops that I

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
WDS probably won't change a whole lot but it would be better. If they'll pay for it, do it. The extra links would be vastly superior. Remember these are hdx devices, talking between stations is going to be weak as it stands. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Westlake
And if anyone tells you about the three brand new Ferraris I just bought, they're lying. They were not brand new. On 03/09/2015 10:01 AM, Simon Westlake wrote: I think your tinfoil hat is a little tight.. ;) If we were going to use your billing server as a bitcoin miner, why would we only

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Everyone seems to have lived through this evolution at some point. A bridged WISP is asking for trouble. How many APs and how many sites? Are the switches at the sites capable of supporting VLANs? That is where I would start. Either that or replacing the switches with routers. Personally,

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Jeremy
WDS definitely does not halve the bandwidth of the clients. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: Doing the separate links would be the best option. You have a little more control over the quality of each link as opposed to one link possibly bringing down the

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Jerry Richardson
WDS repeater mode cuts the throughput. In this case WDS is allowing the MAC address of the device behind it to pass through. https://community.ubnt.com/t5/Installation-Troubleshooting/What-do-WDS-Transparent-Bridge-Mode-on-both-end-AP-and-Station/td-p/618853 From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Nothing against a bridged network as long as every AP is on a VLAN to a router or is fed from a router port directly. I would never bridge a bunch of APs together ever again. That is a move that we all came to regret in the early days. (back before NAT and SM isolation and other nice things

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
AFMUG 2016 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:36 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think we need photos... *From:* Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com *Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 9:30 AM *To:*

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
What problems are you trying to solve? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 11:45 AM, Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net wrote: Fair enough. Its not being done right though. It is defiantly the lack of data on

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Westlake
It's not database corruption, but it is a known bug (IP changing when MAC is edited in customer portal) and it's fixed in 10.03.32. The patch will be out this week. On 03/08/2015 10:34 PM, Jeremy wrote: Yes, it seemed like a database corruption issue to me as well. I had one customer get the

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Funny. Can you imagine in Microsoft had embedded something like that in Windows... Would not have taken long to own bitcoin. From: That One Guy Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:57 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space me and my tinfoil hat find it

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Westlake
Well, let me ask you a question. If you were buying a brand new Ferrari, and someone brought one out with 10 miles on it, would you accept it as new? I don't think so. Didn't you tell me your G650 wasn't brand new because it had something like 10 hours on the engine? On 03/09/2015 10:07 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
Like uTorrent installing Epic Scale if you miss the Decline option? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:00 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space Funny. Can you imagine in Microsoft had embedded something like that in Windows... Would

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Fair enough. Its not being done right though. It is defiantly the lack of data on customers and APs that is driving this for me. Brandon Yuchasz Gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted. Nothing wrong with

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I had a friend once (yes...past tense) who wanted to code for a living. He made it clear if his projects worked on his computerhis job was done. It was up to people like me to fix it if it didn't work elsewhere. He went sort of psycho out of college...curious if he ever got a job Sent

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread That One Guy
I suspected it was discovered, and v10 specifically broke the miner and the code that called these IPs from a list somehow put them in there. If I were a developer I would do things like that, which is why God intervened everytime I tried to learn to code. I would be in prison, I would be very

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread That One Guy
Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question, at any point in time, whether as a product of bertram or the previous developers, were billing servers used as a distributed bitcoin mining system? On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Simon Westlake si...@powercode.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Jerry Richardson
What is the distance and angle from the stations to the AP? Also, the pattern on the antenna is pretty wide, LOS is pretty important. If they are too low on the roofline they will not perform well Yes WDS makes a difference but not that much. -Original Message- From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread That One Guy
me and my tinfoil hat find it suspiscious that v10 resolved the constant overloaded billing servers and this pops up, like there is a list somewhere and since the first one I saw was affiliated with bitcoins, Paranoid me assumed a developer sometime in the historical chain realized there were alot

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
So it creates a DHCP reservation in a bad subnet. That's it. The only bad thing is the customer device gets a bad IP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 9, 2015 10:57 AM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: me and my

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Simon Westlake
The IPs are random, it's a random integer that is used to represent a position in an address range. You just happened to be close enough to those from an integer perspective. On 03/09/2015 09:47 AM, That One Guy wrote: Where are these IPs coming from. and this is a direct serious question,

[AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed.

2015-03-09 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don't have a lot of background in but I also don't want to end the process having a system I can't fix so I will need someone that is willing to both do the work and teach me at the same time. Depending on how

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Monday, March 9,

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Jeremy
Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode. It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people. There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this scenario. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Richardson je...@richardson.bz wrote: WDS repeater mode cuts the

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
I can see the T shirt now. Photo: Tied off shirt, daisy dukes, heels, hair, makeup. Caption: “I should have never learned to code.” From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 9:38 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powercode oddity - Commerzbank Ip space AFMUG 2016 Josh

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Jerry Richardson
I was pointing out the circumstances under which WDS would cut the throughput From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 8:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance He has three stations talking to one

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Gino Villarini
Yes, that’s why we re moving to a Carrier Ethernet 2.0 environment Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2015 at 12:34 PM To: Gino Villarini

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
We kind of spiraled out on that didn't we? bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/9/2015 10:29 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be good to take that into

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Reynolds
From what I remember, TWC has residential in 10.x.x.x/8 and carries quite a few vlans on their network (network wide). I got the skinny one day a few years ago while sitting in a TWC splice truck waiting for a circuit to get finished while taking about the miracle that was tight bend radius fiber.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm okay with PoE at the house. Everything on a tower and enterprise customers should be fiber + DC. I'd be okay with something like a Rocket without and a Rocket Premium with. ePMP connectorized without, ePMP GPS with. I know quite a few people with diesel cars. They love their 50 MPG+. ;-)

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Tyler Treat
yes, the 2011 would be a great unit. Especially considering they have a rack mount variant as well if he has any sites with rack enclosures From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:57 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Thanks guys all helpful. I just track our IPs in excel and our customers are billed in quickbooks. Works for us right now. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 1:00 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Reynolds
Two different techs. WDS Bridging != WDS Repeating On Mar 9, 2015 7:37 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:Yeah, I have no idea why UBNT decided to label Layer2 mode as WDS mode.  It definitely creates a bit of confusion for people.  There is actually no WDS repeating taking place in this

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread joseph marsh
Swift fox is another good one we use it for mainly monitoring and engineering support I love the ip address feature I don't get charged for Mikrotik configuration and they set up my vpn to my office On Mar 9, 2015 11:52 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: First thing I'd do is

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
Same with VPLS and CE... if you're the type of operation that's running VLANs to separate things across the entire network, iBGP, VPLS, CE, etc. are more than likely beyond your reach at this moment in time. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
Yes. MRTG is free, but will make you crazy to admin if you have more than a dozen devices to monitor. Cacti is really free, other than your time. Lots of working examples. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/9/2015 10:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, completely true. even without making any actual configuration changes, you'll gain a lot of extremely useful tools just be having a Mikrotik sitting there acting like a switch. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are lots of SNMP based monitoring

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I've never seen anything do better what torch does. I didn't say it didn't exist... just that if it does, I haven't seen it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: Ken Hohhof

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Harold Bledsoe
I think WDS just means ADDR4 is present (the missing 4th mac address that allows for true transparent bridging). There shouldn't be any performance difference whether WDS is on or off. That 4th mac added is an insignificant addition. In some cases it might even perform higher depending if the

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
First thing I'd do is fire up a billing system. Powercode or Visp are going to be the two options I'd suggest you start looking at. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:45 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller

Re: [AFMUG] UBNT Station to Station performance

2015-03-09 Thread Matt Hardy
We actually renamed WDS Repeater to AP Repeater Mode in the web UI to help reduce this confusion. We also have the description Transparent Bridge Mode next to the WDS checkbox. Our recommendation is usually to leave it enabled... On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it? From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Not free.

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Jason McKemie
MRTG is free, PRTG is pretty far from it. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Am I thinking of MRTG? One of them is free PRTG is free if you don’t monitor over 5 devices isn’t it? *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Monday, March

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mathew Howard
I think the point is, even on the radios that have DC + SFP, there still needs to be an RJ45 jack that supports PoE... which, really, I don't see a good reason why they would take that away. I agree that for stuff like Rockets, there should just be two versions - a cheap one that's basically what

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I don't particularly care if they leave the old stuff on, just give me the new stuff. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I've used WISPMon for years and love it. There are routinely about a dozen WISP billing platforms at the WISPA shows. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To:

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Reynolds
Many providers have multiple border edges. That's what iBGP is for :P On Mar 9, 2015 8:45 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:One downfall of that is that its more difficult to move traffic that doesnt go directly to your NOC. It also makes it more difficult to have two edges. It also doesnt

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
Free for 30 days, or free for up to 30 sensors. The way I use sensors on our network, that will cover about 2 devices. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/download bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/9/2015 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Tyler Treat
​I'd show you my shocked face but From: Af af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Last I heard powercode wassnt really interested in less than 250 subs or so. At least that was their min license...(which I think makes it difficult to get started with them ) Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
Not free. http://www.paessler.com/prtg/price_list Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I like mrtg ... I make this page from it Www.cyberbroadband.net/stats.html Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
How do you organize all of your IPs without something to document them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: We kind of spiraled out on that didn't we? bp

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
One downfall of that is that it's more difficult to move traffic that doesn't go directly to your NOC. It also makes it more difficult to have two edges. It also doesn't have as good of failure re-routing. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Pretty sure you have to have Nat for that to work... Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: Brandon Yuchasz li...@gogebicrange.net To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info) Date: Mon, Mar

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Chuck McCown
PRTG is free and will monitor all your stuff if you fire up an internal subnet for it. From: Brandon Yuchasz Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 10:43 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info) Alright so I have always said I

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
I hope vendors understand that not every radio should be fiber + DC. For example, CPE radios should remain POE. And all the people deploying Netonix switches at their towers are going to be pissed if every low cost AP and backhaul radio now wants fiber + DC and won’t accept GigE w/POE. It’s

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
I agree with putting a Mikrotik at each of his POPs. That allows him to just plug them in (without regard to which hardware he happens to use everywhere). Then if he decides to go the VLAN route, the MTs would allow him to do that. If he decides to go routed, they would allow for that as

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Reynolds
Lack of layer2 tools from most vendors in our industry make diagnostics and performance testing problematic. On Mar 9, 2015 7:31 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Nothing wrong with bridging if its done right Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Alright so I have always said I am not proud too admit when I am uneducated in an area if it means learning something I need to know. So as embarrassing as it is Ill open to robe. All APs are Cambium FSK and we are now deploying the PMP450 as well. Backhauls are a mix of companies but we

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
Cacti does not use MRTG. It has it's own internal polling system. Cacti does use RRDTOOL though. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/9/2015 10:19 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: MRTG is OSS. Maybe you're thinking of Cacti which utilizes MRTG and has a workable interface and such. Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Luthman
MRTG is OSS. Maybe you're thinking of Cacti which utilizes MRTG and has a workable interface and such. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Am I thinking of MRTG?

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
Let the guy do his routed network. A billing system is not a prerequisite. Although if he has something in mind like Powercode for the future, it might be good to take that into consideration since it has a network element (BMU) that has to go somewhere. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Jerry Richardson
We have been extremely happy with PRTG. No, not free but you don’t need up upgrade as often as they want you to. If you are really budget limited, CACTI is really quite good. If you are not Linux savvy, CactiEZ would be a great way to go – you’ll need a dedicated server for it, but it

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged networktorouted.

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
I'd like that, but getting SFPs seems to be a big enough challenge for this industry. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com Cc: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network to routed.

2015-03-09 Thread D. Ryan Spott
Hey Brandon, I would be happy to help you out. Feel free to ping me off-list. ryan On 3/9/15 8:10 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: I am looking for help converting our network from bridged to routed. This is something I don�t have a lot of background in but I also don�t want to end the

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Ken Hohhof
There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without integrating with “billing”. Also you gain a lot of interactive troubleshooting tools with a router at each tower that have nothing to do with billing or monitoring. Think in terms of a Winbox session to a Mikrotik router, and tools like

Re: [AFMUG] Looking for help converting from a bridged network torouted. (More Info)

2015-03-09 Thread Josh Reynolds
FWIW, torch is painful. It's a seriously dumbed down version of tcpdump. I don't know why they don't just ditch torch and use the OSS and much better equivalent anyway. On Mar 9, 2015 9:54 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: There are lots of SNMP based monitoring tools without

Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
I think he means end, as a reference to the annoying thing on top of his neck. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/9/2015 1:20 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Do you mean “end” as in the slightly annoying term used for an RJ45 plug? Or as in a new radio/antenna? *From:* Glen Waldrop

Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant

2015-03-09 Thread Glen Waldrop
I usually charge $25 for a service call as long as it isn't my fault. If they damaged the equipment, they pay for that. I may bump up my service call prices. Some of these people are a pain in the neck. - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: af@afmug.com Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit

2015-03-09 Thread Mike Hammett
OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit

2015-03-09 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I've looked at doing a product like this more for extended distance runs (i.e. run thousand(s?) of feet of RG6) but didn't find a good solution I liked for the distance/speed tradeoff. I'm assuming you're talking about effectively doing poe over coax? I.E. something like the products at:

Re: [AFMUG] Smart Meter Collection device

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Prince
That's what the PGE smart meter hubs look like. bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/9/2015 1:42 PM, Wireless Admin wrote: Could it be a Smart Meter Collection device. Don�t know what else �.. Steve B

Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
most of our customers don't have $100 to blow ? we think $80 for such cases tho... - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant I like your way of thinking. - Original Message

Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant

2015-03-09 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
yah, seeing that rain forecast up here too. i'm feeling myself get more bitchy... lol - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant Pretty sure he's talking about the rj45. I asked

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