date:20160301

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

2016-03-01 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Let me see if I can try to clear up some confusion and help in sorting this 
out. 

The optics, have TX and RX lasers... The TX will Transmit the Laser, and RX 
will Receive the Signal. 
You have the look at the MFG Specs to see what is the TX power and what is the 
RX sensitivity. 
Typically you need to have 5-7db of signal margin to have a link. 

Now, each fiber connector has a 'Loss', each fiber cable has a signal loss 
rating this is a figure you can ask the Dark fiber supplier to provide to 
you... 
Irrespective of whose fiber it is, when it was installed, or when a contractor 
worked on splicing it, they would have produced a 'loss' report.. e.g. 20 mile 
link is expected to have X db of Loss. 

So, on paper, one would do the calculations as follows = TX signal - Loss of 
all connectors and cable = RX Signal expected. 
This RX Signal needs to be 5-7db higher than the RX Sensitivity figure of that 
Optic module for a good solid link. 

Now, no two modules put out the same power, or have the same rx-sensitivity... 
there is always a certain amount of variation 
Now, no two modules rated for the same distance from two different mfg. have 
the same set of TX & RX Specs. 

So it is ideal to have a light meter (you can get one for as low as $50 from 
Ebay, Fiberstore etc, don't worry about having a cheap meter, having one is 
better than having none). 
This way one can measure the light coming out of the Optics and what is being 
received from the far side. 

One can use a relative test to measure loss across a cable (same optics, via a 
device that read RX & TX signals, such as the CCR) to determine that is the 
Loss on the cable end to end, based on this one can determine if there is a 
possible problem on a particular set of fiber cables and yes this can 
happen, for multitude of reasons, but before you jump on the issue being on the 
actual fiber cable, do test each jumper, clean each connector etc... cause most 
commonly such issues can come from bad jumpers or a connector that is not 
seated properly . 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Andreas Wiatowski" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:53:54 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

> Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive power level
> that a CCR will report on an SFP. I currently have an SFP+ module that is
> reporting a -18. This is a 40KM module…I originally put in a 20KM module and 
> it
> was reporting a -40. I was getting only a one way link. The path I estimate is
> about 20KM that I am linking…and I’m unsure of the quality of splicing…it is
> dark fibre I have from a municipality…been running 1Gbps on 20KM SFP’s until
> now.

> Thanks!

> Cheers,

> __

> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

> Silo Wireless Inc.

> Email andr...@silowireless.com

> 19 Sage Court

> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
> +1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

2016-03-01 Thread Chuck Hogg

Each SFP will have that range in their specifications.  Most of the time it
will say it under minimum receive power.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 12:23 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I have a 1Gbps link working fine at -21dBm. About 4 miles using 20km
> modules. The next pair, pretty much same distance is at -10dBm. So
> something is obviously wrong with that first pair or a splice somewhere.
> These modules (MikroTik's and the FiberStore equivalent) will unlock at
> about -31. -24 is probably all I'd tolerate. 10Gbps I'm sure needs a little
> bit more budget.
>
> On 3/1/2016 9:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>
> Do you know the approx. route distance?
>
> ï¿½
>
> Was otdr shot on that line? Probably was by someone, but can you see if
> they have record?
>
> Or get a local crew to shoot it and tell you the details.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Do you remember what the SFP module was reporting?
>
> ï¿½
>
> I have a 40km laser link between two CCRs and it should be able to make it
> easy, but there is loss and the logs on the CCR show that it has issues.
>
> ï¿½
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:54 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB
>
> ï¿½
>
> Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive power
> level that a CCR will report on an SFP.ï¿½ I currently have an SFP+ module
> that is reporting a -18. This is a 40KM moduleï¿½I originally put in a 20KM
> module and it was reporting a -40.ï¿½ I was getting only a one way link.ï¿½
> The path I estimate is about 20KM that I am linkingï¿½and Iï¿½m unsure of
> the quality of splicingï¿½it is dark fibre I have from a
> municipalityï¿½been running 1Gbps on 20KM SFPï¿½s until now.
>
> ï¿½
>
> Thanks!
>
> ï¿½
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Emailï¿½ andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656ï¿½ Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free
> +1.866.727.4138
>
> ï¿½
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

2016-03-01 Thread George Skorup

I have a 1Gbps link working fine at -21dBm. About 4 miles using 20km 
modules. The next pair, pretty much same distance is at -10dBm. So 
something is obviously wrong with that first pair or a splice somewhere. 
These modules (MikroTik's and the FiberStore equivalent) will unlock at 
about -31. -24 is probably all I'd tolerate. 10Gbps I'm sure needs a 
little bit more budget.


On 3/1/2016 9:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Do you know the approx. route distance?

Was otdr shot on that line? Probably was by someone, but can you see 
if they have record?


Or get a local crew to shoot it and tell you the details.

Do you remember what the SFP module was reporting?

I have a 40km laser link between two CCRs and it should be able to 
make it easy, but there is loss and the logs on the CCR show that it 
has issues.


*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Andreas Wiatowski
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:54 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive 
power level that a CCR will report on an SFP.  I currently have an 
SFP+ module that is reporting a -18. This is a 40KM moduleï¿½I 
originally put in a 20KM module and it was reporting a -40.  I was 
getting only a one way link.  The path I estimate is about 20KM that I 
am linkingï¿½and Iï¿½m unsure of the quality of splicingï¿½it is dark fibre 
I have from a municipalityï¿½been running 1Gbps on 20KM SFPï¿½s until now.


Thanks!

Cheers,

__

Andreas Wiatowski | CEO

Silo Wireless Inc.

Email andr...@silowireless.com 

19 Sage Court

Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)

Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Nate Burke

In the city they have antennas on the side of buildings right outside 
office windows, or facing into the side of another building.  Doesn't 
look like there's any special shielding on them.


On 3/1/2016 11:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Our old tower guy told me that he had a metal taste when he got near 
some cell stuff on a site once. Now, you're not getting my fat ass on 
a tower, but I've been on rooftops with cell stuff (lots of it) and 
didn't notice anything. I think he was full of shit and just didn't 
want to climb that site.


On 3/1/2016 9:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

i was always told your eyes will water

could always just keep a hersheys bar in your front pocket like the 
guy with the radarrange supposedly did


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
> wrote:


In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your
eyes start feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the
power turned down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Nate Burke

If I'm reading into their tickets correctly, they were fighting a DDOS 
against their gateway IP's.  I'm guessing that could happen to anyone 
except maybe Google.


On 3/1/2016 7:55 PM, Keefe John wrote:
Go with bandwidth.com . we've never had an 
outage with them. We have outages with vitelity all the time.


On March 1, 2016 7:17:22 PM CST, Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:


Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight
from Level3 for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett > wrote:

There isn't that I'm aware of.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"Na te Burke" >
*To: *"Animal Farm" >
*Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's


Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours
(multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to
ask about
redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an
I/Clec that you
can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?



--
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread George Skorup

Our old tower guy told me that he had a metal taste when he got near 
some cell stuff on a site once. Now, you're not getting my fat ass on a 
tower, but I've been on rooftops with cell stuff (lots of it) and didn't 
notice anything. I think he was full of shit and just didn't want to 
climb that site.


On 3/1/2016 9:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

i was always told your eyes will water

could always just keep a hersheys bar in your front pocket like the 
guy with the radarrange supposedly did


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
 > wrote:


In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your
eyes start feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the
power turned down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Jason McKemie

True. It's just obnoxious to be charged more for the exact same item.

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Though SIAE has part101 6, 18 and 23 GHz radios which Mimosa doesn't make.
> In a place where all the good 11 GHz is gone, those can be the only other
> options.
>
> Their 1024qam 6 GHz alfoplus2 radio is a great price competitor for much
> higher priced 6 stuff like the trango apex orion.
> On Mar 1, 2016 5:36 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>
>> They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
>> right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
>> Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
>> is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
>>> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak >> > wrote:
>>>
 Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?

 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote:

> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:
>
>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>> you
>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>> BH.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> 
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>> use
>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>> while.
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ericsson bringing out some new high bandwidth stuff but I have no idea on
price...but heard rep telling someone from Mexico that a new lower price
line coming out later this year.
On Mar 1, 2016 8:23 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> Though SIAE has part101 6, 18 and 23 GHz radios which Mimosa doesn't make.
> In a place where all the good 11 GHz is gone, those can be the only other
> options.
>
> Their 1024qam 6 GHz alfoplus2 radio is a great price competitor for much
> higher priced 6 stuff like the trango apex orion.
> On Mar 1, 2016 5:36 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
> wrote:
>
>> They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
>> right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
>> Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
>> is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
>>> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
 Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?

 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
 wrote:

> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>
>> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
>> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
>> you
>> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed 
>> BH.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett 
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>>
>> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
>> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
>> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
>> use
>> it as will saturate the link in no time.
>> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
>> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
>> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
>> while.
>>
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Jon Langeler

What model RF meter?

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

> On Mar 1, 2016, at 9:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start 
> feeling dry, that is a good indication
> you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned 
> down, my RF meter will start
> beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] people streaming election coverage?

2016-03-01 Thread Mike Hammett

I just found out today that drug use resulted in Jodie Sweetin having quite a 
rack. Maybe that's resulted in higher than normal Netflix usage? 

Where do your flows say your traffic is going? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:05:03 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] people streaming election coverage? 

Or watching Netflix because there's nothing on TV except election coverage? 

Lots of bandwidth usage for a Tuesday.

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Though SIAE has part101 6, 18 and 23 GHz radios which Mimosa doesn't make.
In a place where all the good 11 GHz is gone, those can be the only other
options.

Their 1024qam 6 GHz alfoplus2 radio is a great price competitor for much
higher priced 6 stuff like the trango apex orion.
On Mar 1, 2016 5:36 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
wrote:

> They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
> right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
> Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
> is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
>> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
> have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If 
> you
> are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3
> access points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to 
> use
> it as will saturate the link in no time.
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
>
> Sam
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

2016-03-01 Thread Sterling Jacobson

Do you know the approx. route distance?

Was otdr shot on that line? Probably was by someone, but can you see if they 
have record?
Or get a local crew to shoot it and tell you the details.

Do you remember what the SFP module was reporting?

I have a 40km laser link between two CCRs and it should be able to make it 
easy, but there is loss and the logs on the CCR show that it has issues.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive power level 
that a CCR will report on an SFP.  I currently have an SFP+ module that is 
reporting a -18. This is a 40KM module...I originally put in a 20KM module and 
it was reporting a -40.  I was getting only a one way link.  The path I 
estimate is about 20KM that I am linking...and I'm unsure of the quality of 
splicing...it is dark fibre I have from a municipality...been running 1Gbps on 
20KM SFP's until now.

Thanks!

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Jeremy

Real world speed I am getting 300Mbps x 100Mbps (ok, 297x93) shooting 18.3
miles on 3' UBNT Rocket dishes modified for cross pol at 50MHz.  This is on
75% duty cycle.  I am seeing the same speeds on my 4.7 mile and 7.7 mile
link.  Those have a 3' rocket dish on one side 2'; on the other.  I used
the little AF5X 1' dishes on a 3 mile link and it is doing great signal
wise,but it occasionally drops to QPSK on one side.  I haven't had time to
troubleshoot it yet.  Speeds are still rocking at that site way beyond what
it needs, so it is not an issue for now.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:51 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Thanks!
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joe Novak 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:35 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation
>
> Jay,
>
> 4.5 mile, AF5 23db dishes, -56, 30mhz, 8x, 50/50 split, 133mbit/133mbit.
>
> 6.5 miles, 30db ubnt dish with RF armor, -50, 20mhz, 8x, 75/25 split,
> 138mbit/35mbit.
>
> not fully aware of 'real world speeds' but mikrotik's btest does 130/130
> udp / 100/100 tcp over the 4.5 mile link.
>
> If you have not seen this guide it appears to be accurate.
>
>
> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5X-useful-info-power-sensitivity-to-achieve-certain-modulation/m-p/1222992#U1222992
>
>
> Joe
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:03 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> so i'm probably about to throw one of these bad boys up.  what speeds do
>> i get at 8x?
>> since apparently i'd be dreaming at 10x... lol
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Joe Novak 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:16 AM
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation
>>
>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>>
>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to
>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>>
>>
>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP.
>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

i was always told your eyes will water

could always just keep a hersheys bar in your front pocket like the guy
with the radarrange supposedly did

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:39 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start
> feeling dry, that is a good indication
> you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned
> down, my RF meter will start
> beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] people streaming election coverage?

2016-03-01 Thread Ken Hohhof


Or watching Netflix because there's nothing on TV except election coverage?

Lots of bandwidth usage for a Tuesday.

[AFMUG] Mikrotik SFP+ 10GB

2016-03-01 Thread Andreas Wiatowski

Wondering if anyone has guidance on what is an acceptable receive power level 
that a CCR will report on an SFP.  I currently have an SFP+ module that is 
reporting a -18. This is a 40KM module...I originally put in a 20KM module and 
it was reporting a -40.  I was getting only a one way link.  The path I 
estimate is about 20KM that I am linking...and I'm unsure of the quality of 
splicing...it is dark fibre I have from a municipality...been running 1Gbps on 
20KM SFP's until now.

Thanks!

Cheers,
__
Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
Silo Wireless Inc.
Email  andr...@silowireless.com
19 Sage Court
Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free 
+1.866.727.4138

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Mike Hammett

Well, has anyone worked with someone like Neutral Tandem or the couple others 
like them? You're bypassing the legacy PSTN and using a third party tandem 
service. Obviously that only works for other people on Neutral Tandem, so kind 
of like peering vs. transit in the IP world, but would provide for some 
connectivity during an upstream telco outage. No idea if you can connect 
without being the CLEC. I believe quite a few of the cable and cellular 
companies are using such services. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mike Hammett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:15:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's 


There isn't that I'm aware of. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's 

Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours 
(multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about 
redundancy tomorrow. There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you 
can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread can...@believewireless.net

In my Comtrain class, one of the instructors said that if your eyes start
feeling dry, that is a good indication
you are near high power. On a couple FM towers, even with the power turned
down, my RF meter will start
beeping if I move to the outside of the tower.

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Keefe John

Go with bandwidth.com. we've never had an outage with them. We have outages 
with vitelity all the time. 

On March 1, 2016 7:17:22 PM CST, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
>Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from
>Level3 for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.
>
>On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> There isn't that I'm aware of.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's
>>
>>
>> Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours
>> (multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask
>about
>> redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that
>you
>> can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?
>>
>>
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Jason McKemie

They look like they're only slightly cheaper (if you get them from the
right place) than what I paid for my SIAE link a couple years back.
Although now that SIAE has resellers, they've gone up quite a bit.  Mimosa
is probably what I'm going to use from here on out though...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Cheaper???  Once the Mimosa 11 GHz link comes out I have to imagine that
> band gets hammered like the village bicycle.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 2:38 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Does Mimosa offer cheaper coordination?
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and
 have something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you
 are maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.

 *From:* Adam Moffett 
 *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

 More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
 ...but it depends how much rain you get.

 On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

 Hey all,
 I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
 points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
 will saturate the link in no time.
 Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
 AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
 need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
 while.

 Sam

 --
 --
 *Sam Lambie*
 Taosnet Wireless Tech.
 575-758-7598 Office
 www.Taosnet.com 

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

XD


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:25 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Type Mashter...I like it
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:21 PM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Level 3 is a very good origination option I think is what type master was
>> saying.  They are expensive if you just buy onesy twosy, but we wholesaled
>> from a company that had tons of DIDs.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from
>>> Level3 for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.
>>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>> There isn't that I'm aware of.



 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
 The Brothers WISP 
 


 
 --
 *From: *"Nate Burke" 
 *To: *"Animal Farm" 
 *Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's


 Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours
 (multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about
 redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that
 you
 can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Lewis Bergman

Type Mashter...I like it

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:21 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Level 3 is a very good origination option I think is what type master was
> saying.  They are expensive if you just buy onesy twosy, but we wholesaled
> from a company that had tons of DIDs.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from
>> Level3 for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.
>>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
> There isn't that I'm aware of.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's
>>>
>>>
>>> Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours
>>> (multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about
>>> redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you
>>> can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

Level 3 is a very good origination option I think is what type master was
saying.  They are expensive if you just buy onesy twosy, but we wholesaled
from a company that had tons of DIDs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from
> Level3 for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> There isn't that I'm aware of.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's
>>
>>
>> Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours
>> (multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about
>> redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you
>> can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Lewis Bergman

Nope. Your DID's just fall off the map. You could get it straight from
Level3 for a lot more but they are have solid VoIP.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:15 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> There isn't that I'm aware of.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Nate Burke" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's
>
>
> Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours
> (multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about
> redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you
> can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Mike Hammett

There isn't that I'm aware of. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Nate Burke"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 7:08:34 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's 

Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours 
(multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about 
redundancy tomorrow. There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you 
can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?

[AFMUG] Redundancy for Inbound DID's

2016-03-01 Thread Nate Burke

Given the volatility of Voip Innovations over the last 48 hours 
(multiple 20+minute outage) I know that the boss is going to ask about 
redundancy tomorrow.  There is no way, short of being an I/Clec that you 
can have redundancy on inbound DID numbers, is there?

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Ken Hohhof

Time to buy an RF suit?  Don’t forget the RF socks.
http://www.rfsafetysolutions.com/RF%20Radiation%20Pages/RF_Protective_Garments.html

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost definitely 
paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the landlord. we are 
colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we are getting cooked 
there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up. Thats a telephone 
number i dont want to call if i dont have to

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you enter 
area by law.

  On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray"  wrote:

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile 
system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such 
work locations. 

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Craig Schmaderer

I am with Chuck.  If you have that kind of bandwidth needs than you have the 
money and need for a license link.  Ill use a license link on a 40 custmer 
tower just so i dont have to ever worry about backhaul issues.  My time is 
valuable and i enjoy my sleep. :)

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:56 PM -0800, "Eric Kuhnke" 
> wrote:

This seems to be the curse of ubnt.

Making changes to something like management IP or timezone, clock, whatever 
should not reboot a radio.

It is somewhat forgiveable on a $499 radio buy not on a $6000 link.

All proper part101 radios have the management interface separated from the 
traffic pipe.

So, lesson, get your ubnt set up right the first time, or learn to enjoy 
maintenance windows at 0200 on Tuesday mornings.

On Mar 1, 2016 7:34 AM, "Stefan Englhardt" 
> wrote:
Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
remote sides to keep modulations up.

AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag 
von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?

AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.
On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
 64QAM?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick 
> wrote:
However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird 
> wrote:
Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak 
> wrote:
Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
Same with Cambium PTP820S

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:
The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.
On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.
Sam

--
--
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Craig Schmaderer

I work by them all the time.  I have never felt any warmth so thats good.  I 
tried 4 times to make a baby and had 3 kids so that still works but it worked 
to well :)

Craig schmaderer
Skywave Wireless, Inc.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 4:23 PM -0800, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:

I have some site owners concerned about the output from my hardware. I've 
explained how low the power output is on unlicensed hardware, but showing them 
empirically would be nice.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jason McKemie 
> 
wrote:
What 5ghz gear are you planning on being around that is going to be high enough 
output to necessitate a safety meter?

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems turned 
off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front of them?

I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible installation 
and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use your experiences to 
determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my first experience near 
higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately prepared.

Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having trouble 
finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a wide-range device 
exist at a reasonable price?

Thanks - Chris

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need it on 
left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great vision and 
mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its true...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.  If so 
you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel any warmth 
from the antennas come back down.

It isn't an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing, but 
certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating than 
others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many years ago 
that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.

As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar antennas 
while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.

From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers.

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations.

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Christopher Gray

I have some site owners concerned about the output from my hardware. I've
explained how low the power output is on unlicensed hardware, but showing
them empirically would be nice.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:19 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What 5ghz gear are you planning on being around that is going to be high
> enough output to necessitate a safety meter?
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Christopher Gray 
> wrote:
>
>> I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems
>> turned off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front
>> of them?
>>
>> I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible
>> installation and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use
>> your experiences to determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my
>> first experience near higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately
>> prepared.
>>
>> Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having
>> trouble finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a
>> wide-range device exist at a reasonable price?
>>
>> Thanks - Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need
>>> it on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
>>> vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
>>> true...
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or
 heat.  If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you
 feel any warmth from the antennas come back down.

 It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
 but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
 than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
 years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.

 As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
 antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.

 *From:* Christopher Gray
 *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

 I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment.
 I understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
 mobile phone service located behind the louvers.

 I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the
 mobile system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated
 with such work locations.

 1 - Level above existing installation.
 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

 I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Chris Wright

The Netonix WS-12-250 will take 12V input and put out 48V like you need. As far 
as I know it’s the smallest one they make that will take in 12V natively.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 4:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

Definitely 24 and 48 volts.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
I think the netonix is multi-voltage? At lease 48/24. Maybe also 12, but IDKFS.



bp




On 3/1/2016 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

I bet you could dissect a small Netonix and replace its interior 120vac to 
12vdc power supply with a 12vdc in, 12vdc out dc-dc converter in the same space.

That is, if it's a separate PCB/module.
On Mar 1, 2016 3:33 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal poles. I thought 
Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was planning to do a Mean Well 
AD55, but then I remembered they don't make a 48v version of the 55. So I'm 
kinda stuck on what to do.
On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:

Netonix perhaps?
On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me the 
required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports would be 
fine.

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

Definitely 24 and 48 volts.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I think the netonix is multi-voltage? At lease 48/24. Maybe also 12, but
> IDKFS.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/1/2016 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> I bet you could dissect a small Netonix and replace its interior 120vac to
> 12vdc power supply with a 12vdc in, 12vdc out dc-dc converter in the same
> space.
>
> That is, if it's a separate PCB/module.
> On Mar 1, 2016 3:33 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal poles. I
>> thought Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was planning to do a
>> Mean Well AD55, but then I remembered they don't make a 48v version of the
>> 55. So I'm kinda stuck on what to do.
>>
>> On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>>> Netonix perhaps?
>>> On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give
 me the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports
 would be fine.

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Bill Prince

I think the netonix is multi-voltage? At lease 48/24. Maybe also 12, but 
IDKFS.


bp


On 3/1/2016 4:09 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:


I bet you could dissect a small Netonix and replace its interior 
120vac to 12vdc power supply with a 12vdc in, 12vdc out dc-dc 
converter in the same space.


That is, if it's a separate PCB/module.

On Mar 1, 2016 3:33 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:


Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal
poles. I thought Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was
planning to do a Mean Well AD55, but then I remembered they don't
make a 48v version of the 55. So I'm kinda stuck on what to do.

On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:

Netonix perhaps?

On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v
input and give me the required 48v POE output? Two
cameras and a Force180, so four ports would be fine.

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

I bet you could dissect a small Netonix and replace its interior 120vac to
12vdc power supply with a 12vdc in, 12vdc out dc-dc converter in the same
space.

That is, if it's a separate PCB/module.
On Mar 1, 2016 3:33 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal poles. I
> thought Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was planning to do a
> Mean Well AD55, but then I remembered they don't make a 48v version of the
> 55. So I'm kinda stuck on what to do.
>
> On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Netonix perhaps?
>> On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me
>>> the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports
>>> would be fine.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

Yeah, but calling that number is always a colo risk. Cell is almost
definitely paying a more substantial rent, piss them off they talk to the
landlord. we are colocated at a verizon beta testing location, I assume we
are getting cooked there and have a meter lined up for next time we go up.
Thats a telephone number i dont want to call if i dont have to

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you
> enter area by law.
> On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>
>

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Jaime Solorza

The site should have a RF Safety warning sticker somewhere before you enter
area by law.
On Mar 1, 2016 1:02 PM, "Christopher Gray" 
wrote:

> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread George Skorup

Needs to be in a very small enclosure on ILDOT traffic signal poles. I 
thought Tycon made something, but I'm not finding it. Was planning to do 
a Mean Well AD55, but then I remembered they don't make a 48v version of 
the 55. So I'm kinda stuck on what to do.


On 3/1/2016 5:20 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:


Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke > wrote:


Netonix perhaps?

On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input
and give me the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a
Force180, so four ports would be fine.

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Lewis Bergman

Planet makes one I think. Or maybe it is 24 volts

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 5:18 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Netonix perhaps?
> On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me
>> the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports
>> would be fine.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Jason McKemie

What 5ghz gear are you planning on being around that is going to be high
enough output to necessitate a safety meter?

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems
> turned off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front
> of them?
>
> I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible
> installation and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use
> your experiences to determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my
> first experience near higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately
> prepared.
>
> Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having
> trouble finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a
> wide-range device exist at a reasonable price?
>
> Thanks - Chris
>
>
>
> --
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need
>> it on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
>> vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
>> true...
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown > > wrote:
>>
>>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
>>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
>>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>>
>>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
>>> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>>
>>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>>
>>> *From:* Christopher Gray
>>> 
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>>
>>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>>> such work locations.
>>>
>>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>>
>>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Netonix perhaps?
On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me
> the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports
> would be fine.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

North Warning System and DEW line as well, though some of those came later.
On Mar 1, 2016 3:16 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> White Alice
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Alice_Communications_System
>
> There was one in Homer, AK I went poking around in a year or two ago :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> > With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys would go out
> and
> > stand in front of the dish to get warm
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
> >>
> >> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
> >> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you
> feel
> >> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
> >>
> >> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
> >> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological
> heating
> >> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
> years
> >> ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
> >>
> >> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
> >> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
> >>
> >> From: Christopher Gray
> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
> >>
> >> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> >> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> >> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
> >>
> >> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> >> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated
> with
> >> such work locations.
> >>
> >> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> >> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> >> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
> >>
> >> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Reynolds

White Alice

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Alice_Communications_System

There was one in Homer, AK I went poking around in a year or two ago :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys would go out and
> stand in front of the dish to get warm
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>
>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many years
>> ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>
>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>
>> From: Christopher Gray
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

None I can think of, there's lots of 802.3af and 802.3at 1U switches with
-48vdc power supplies. I suppose one could use a meanwell RSD series 200W
rated DCDC converter that will take input of 12 and output 48 to feed a
Cisco 3750G or similar.
On Mar 1, 2016 2:55 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me
> the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports
> would be fine.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

With very early post-ww2 radar installations in Alaska guys would go out
and stand in front of the dish to get warm
On Mar 1, 2016 2:21 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>
> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>
> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Christopher Gray

I supposed a better way to ask: Is it typical to need cellular systems
turned off when working behind the sectors, above / below them, or in front
of them?

I'm looking for some general experiences so I can plan my possible
installation and have a sense of what to expect. I do not intend to use
your experiences to determine whether I use PPE at all. This will be my
first experience near higher power hardware, and I want to be appropriately
prepared.

Separately, I've been looking for an RF Safety Monitor, but I'm having
trouble finding one that will include the 5 GHz range. Does such a
wide-range device exist at a reasonable price?

Thanks - Chris



--

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need it
> on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
> vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
> true...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
>> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
>> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>>
>> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
>> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
>> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
>> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>>
>> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
>> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>>
>> *From:* Christopher Gray 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>>
>> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
>> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
>> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>>
>> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
>> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
>> such work locations.
>>
>> 1 - Level above existing installation.
>> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
>> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>>
>> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Small POE switch

2016-03-01 Thread George Skorup

Anyone know of a 802.3af POE switch that will take 12v input and give me 
the required 48v POE output? Two cameras and a Force180, so four ports 
would be fine.

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Jaime Solorza

I have had cataract surgery on right eye a few years back and will need it
on left in next few monthshum...my pop was 74 and still had great
vision and mum only wears reading glasses and she is 86..maybe its
true...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:21 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.
> If so you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel
> any warmth from the antennas come back down.
>
> It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing,
> but certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating
> than others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many
> years ago that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.
>
> As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar
> antennas while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.
>
> *From:* Christopher Gray 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
>
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
>
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
>
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Chuck McCown

A quick and dirty method is whether or not you can feel warmth or heat.  If so 
you may be getting damaged.  I feels like a heat lamp.  If you feel any warmth 
from the antennas come back down.  

It isn’t an emergency your are going to die go to the ER type of thing, but 
certain parts of your body are more susceptible to biological heating than 
others.  I still cannot find backup for this, but I was told many years ago 
that the lens of your eye is one of the most susceptible organs.  

As I recall the story, WWII Sailors would get warm in front of radar antennas 
while standing watch.  They later developed cataracts.  

From: Christopher Gray 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 1:02 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage powerinjector withredundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Peter Kranz

Do you want surge suppressors on each circuit? I personally do not require 
surge suppressors, I’ve always assumed the surge suppression should be outside 
the shack, not in the rack.

 

Do you want individually replaceable circuits or all on one board? Assuming the 
board is designed not to grenade under reasonable failure scenarios it can be 
all one board

 

How many ports? 24 ports.

Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux SyncInjector?

2016-03-01 Thread David

I use a Cutoff wheel makes for easy work in seconds. I did several out 
of 10' stick.

I use them for small switches as well.
 I am still looking for a good solution to the larger brick POE for 
ptp650 units. We usually just mount them on a board on the wall.

On 03/01/2016 01:25 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I was using a sawzall on the steel rail and cleaning up with a flat 
file. A hacksaw cuts like butter through the aluminum rail and a 
couple swipes with a file cleans them up pretty quick. Just gotta be a 
little careful with the aluminum rail since it'll obviously bend easier.

On 3/1/2016 9:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Used to use the saws-all.  I use the cordless angle grinder these 
days.  Cut and de-burr with same tool.

On 3/1/2016 10:51 AM, Jeremy wrote:
My Harbor Freight DIN cutter was a bit more expensive ($60), but 
requires less elbow grease.  We use a metal chop saw.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Christopher Tyler 
 wrote:

Our rail cutter was only $5 from harbor-freight.
It's called a hacksaw.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 

- Original Message -
From: "George Skorup" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:21:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux SyncInjector?

I've found that aluminum rail tends to be much more forgiving.
Something
about the steel rail always gave me fitment issues. Perhaps the
Phoenix
Contact steel stuff I was using is just slightly over sized.
Aluminum
all the way now. Easier to cut and clean. And no, there's no way
in hell
I'd every spend $$ on a rail cutter for the one or two a month
that I do.

On 2/29/2016 2:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I’m talking about my experience that the clip won’t latch to
the DIN
> rail unless you pull the tab slightly forward. Not prying with a
> little screwdriver to unlatch it, that’s expected.
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux SyncInjector?
>
> We just added common parts to the store late last week. 
 Evidently we

> need to do a better job of describing some of them.
>
> The end of the din clip on the syncinjector was hidden
slightly behind
> the syncinjector on purpose.  The idea is that a small
screwdriver can
> be placed in the hole on the bottom of the din clip and the
bottom of
> the syncinjector can be used as a fulcrum point to enable easy
removal
> of the clip from the din rail.
>
> On Feb 29, 2016 9:02 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> No, I think you want this:
>
http://store.packetflux.com/din-rail-mounting-kit-for-rev-h-i-syncinjectors/
> The thing you linked to is essentially a tiny piece of
plastic DIN
> rail for wallmounting stuff that is already DIN rail
mountable.
> Also note the DIN rail mounting kit for Syncinjectors can
be fussy
> about snapping onto the rail until you figure out the
lever may
> need to be pulled forward a bit.  Easy if you can get a finger
> behind it, if you have it in close quarters you might need to
> improvise a tool to hook it.
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 10:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux
SyncInjector?
> is this the proper product to DIN rail mount my sync injector?
> http://store.packetflux.com/din-rail-clip/
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Jeremy
 > wrote:
>
> Wow, I totally botched that earlier.  The Brother
printer FAQ
> is likely not going to help with a Packetflux rack
mount.  Too
> many windows open!
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Jeremy
> >> wrote:
>
> This would probably work
>

http://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us=en=mfc8480dn_us=1984=faq0185_003
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Chuck McCown
> >> wrote:
>
> Buy a small CNC milling machine. Get BUD or
Hammond
> or others from Mouser or Digi-Key and modify them.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Gino Villarini

ctm2 come in DC version 

Sent from Outlook Mobile




On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:52 PM -0800, "Peter Kranz"  
wrote:












You are right, the CTM2 _is_ pretty damn close but:

 

They are very pricey

They only have 8 ports

The AC power supplies are built into the unit and cannot be replaced without 
taking the device out of service... I guess DC power is a solution to this

It has unwanted (by me) timing features

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant 
power..

 

Aren't the CTM2's like 2k/each?

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

You just described the last mile gear CTM2

 

-Sean 



On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:

Here is my ideal solution:

 

-  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or radio 
damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts down that 
port

-  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each port 
for hard resets

-  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle the 
failure of either device without dropping the APs

-  19” rack mountable

-  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they should be 
replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.

 

Nice to have (but not a deal killer)

 

-  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT and 
Cambium 

 

What I don’t want

 

-  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do I need 
another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor buffers.

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

 

The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have worked up 
a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of the problems 
is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the circuit board by 
machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone come?

 

From: Peter Kranz 

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

 

I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of wiring, it’s 
a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single tower.. 

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant 
power..

 

 

 

GigE-POE- APC 
http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

 

You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack

 

-Sean 

On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:

Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that 
supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally hot-swappable. 
I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d rather just have a 
mid-span device. 

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Chuck Hogg

+1.

Regards,
Chuck

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:05 PM, John Woodfield 
wrote:

> Buy a RF meter.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Christopher Gray" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 3:02pm
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems
>
> I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
> understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
> mobile phone service located behind the louvers.
> I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
> system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
> such work locations.
> 1 - Level above existing installation.
> 2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
> 3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
> I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Eric Kuhnke

This seems to be the curse of ubnt.

Making changes to something like management IP or timezone, clock, whatever
should not reboot a radio.

It is somewhat forgiveable on a $499 radio buy not on a $6000 link.

All proper part101 radios have the management interface separated from the
traffic pipe.

So, lesson, get your ubnt set up right the first time, or learn to enjoy
maintenance windows at 0200 on Tuesday mornings.
On Mar 1, 2016 7:34 AM, "Stefan Englhardt"  wrote:

> Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With
> Back2Back Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the
>
> remote sides to keep modulations up.
>
>
>
> AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And
> it takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.
>
> The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
> *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?
>
>
> AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.
>
> The AF24HD is 256QAM.
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap,
> wasn't it?  64QAM?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick  wrote:
>
> However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is
> only 700 Meg full duplex.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
> Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking
> back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some
> reason thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links
> are in a great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
>
> Same with Cambium PTP820S
>
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> North Central Tower
>
> er...@northcentraltower.com
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:
>
> The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have
> something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are
> maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?
>
>
>
> More than 1.5 to *maybe *2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
> ...but it depends how much rain you get.
>
> On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access
> points. But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as
> will saturate the link in no time.
>
> Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the
> AF24HD. Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't
> need the full 2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a
> while.
>
> Sam
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Peter Kranz

You are right, the CTM2 _is_ pretty damn close but:

 

They are very pricey

They only have 8 ports

The AC power supplies are built into the unit and cannot be replaced without 
taking the device out of service... I guess DC power is a solution to this

It has unwanted (by me) timing features

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:13 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant 
power..

 

Aren't the CTM2's like 2k/each?

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:

You just described the last mile gear CTM2

 

-Sean 



On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Peter Kranz  > wrote:

Here is my ideal solution:

 

-  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or radio 
damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts down that 
port

-  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each port 
for hard resets

-  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle the 
failure of either device without dropping the APs

-  19” rack mountable

-  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they should be 
replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.

 

Nice to have (but not a deal killer)

 

-  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT and 
Cambium 

 

What I don’t want

 

-  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do I need 
another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor buffers.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk:   510-868-1614 x100
Mobile:   510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

 

The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have worked up 
a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of the problems 
is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the circuit board by 
machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone come?

 

From: Peter Kranz 

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM

To:   af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

 

I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of wiring, it’s 
a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single tower.. 

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk:   510-868-1614 x100
Mobile:   510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [  mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
To:   af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant 
power..

 

 

 

GigE-POE- APC 
http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

 

You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack

 

-Sean 

On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  > wrote:

Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that 
supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally hot-swappable. 
I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d rather just have a 
mid-span device. 

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk:   510-868-1614 x100
Mobile:   510-207-
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');

Re: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread John Woodfield


Buy a RF meter.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Christopher Gray" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 3:02pm
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems





I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I 
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for mobile 
phone service located behind the louvers. 
I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile system 
(if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with such work 
locations. 
1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.
I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

[AFMUG] Safe or Not - Working Near Mobile Phone Systems

2016-03-01 Thread Christopher Gray

I'm hoping to do some work in a steeple that has cell phone equipment. I
understand there are currently 6 sectors, and will soon be 9 sectors for
mobile phone service located behind the louvers.

I would like to assess which work locations require disabling the mobile
system (if any), and if there are specific exposure times associated with
such work locations.

1 - Level above existing installation.
2 - Same level as mobile system, but behind sectors.
3 - In front of sectors, outside the structure.

I appreciate any help or guidance. Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

2016-03-01 Thread Mathew Howard

I was going to say, I thought I just bought a bunch from WAV not that long
ago...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:00 PM, Super WISP  wrote:

> Josh,
>
>
> I have over 700 available.  Hit me up off list or call me.
>
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> ma...@wavonline.com
>
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>
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>
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>
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> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?
>
>
>
> What is the deal with Force 180?  Is Cambium even making them?  Nobody has
> had them in stock for months now.
>
>
> This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which
> it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential 
> and
> exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is
> not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery 
> of
> the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any
> dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly
> prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us
> immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux SyncInjector?

2016-03-01 Thread George Skorup

I was using a sawzall on the steel rail and cleaning up with a flat 
file. A hacksaw cuts like butter through the aluminum rail and a couple 
swipes with a file cleans them up pretty quick. Just gotta be a little 
careful with the aluminum rail since it'll obviously bend easier.


On 3/1/2016 9:55 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
Used to use the saws-all.  I use the cordless angle grinder these 
days.  Cut and de-burr with same tool.



On 3/1/2016 10:51 AM, Jeremy wrote:
My Harbor Freight DIN cutter was a bit more expensive ($60), but 
requires less elbow grease.  We use a metal chop saw.


On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Christopher Tyler 
 wrote:


Our rail cutter was only $5 from harbor-freight.
It's called a hacksaw.

--
Christopher Tyler
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
Total Highspeed Internet Services
417.851.1107 

- Original Message -
From: "George Skorup" >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 6:21:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux SyncInjector?

I've found that aluminum rail tends to be much more forgiving.
Something
about the steel rail always gave me fitment issues. Perhaps the
Phoenix
Contact steel stuff I was using is just slightly over sized. Aluminum
all the way now. Easier to cut and clean. And no, there's no way
in hell
I'd every spend $$ on a rail cutter for the one or two a month
that I do.

On 2/29/2016 2:04 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> I’m talking about my experience that the clip won’t latch to
the DIN
> rail unless you pull the tab slightly forward. Not prying with a
> little screwdriver to unlatch it, that’s expected.
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 1:33 PM
> *To:* af >
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux SyncInjector?
>
> We just added common parts to the store late last week. 
 Evidently we

> need to do a better job of describing some of them.
>
> The end of the din clip on the syncinjector was hidden slightly
behind
> the syncinjector on purpose.  The idea is that a small
screwdriver can
> be placed in the hole on the bottom of the din clip and the
bottom of
> the syncinjector can be used as a fulcrum point to enable easy
removal
> of the clip from the din rail.
>
> On Feb 29, 2016 9:02 AM, "Ken Hohhof"  > wrote:
>
> No, I think you want this:
>
http://store.packetflux.com/din-rail-mounting-kit-for-rev-h-i-syncinjectors/
> The thing you linked to is essentially a tiny piece of
plastic DIN
> rail for wallmounting stuff that is already DIN rail mountable.
> Also note the DIN rail mounting kit for Syncinjectors can
be fussy
> about snapping onto the rail until you figure out the lever may
> need to be pulled forward a bit.  Easy if you can get a finger
> behind it, if you have it in close quarters you might need to
> improvise a tool to hook it.
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 10:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] racmount kit for Packetflux
SyncInjector?
> is this the proper product to DIN rail mount my sync injector?
> http://store.packetflux.com/din-rail-clip/
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Jeremy  > wrote:
>
> Wow, I totally botched that earlier.  The Brother
printer FAQ
> is likely not going to help with a Packetflux rack
mount.  Too
> many windows open!
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 2:08 PM, Jeremy
> >> wrote:
>
> This would probably work
>

http://support.brother.com/g/b/faqend.aspx?c=us=en=mfc8480dn_us=1984=faq0185_003
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Chuck McCown
> >> wrote:
>
> Buy a small CNC milling machine. Get BUD or Hammond
> or others from Mouser or Digi-Key and modify them.
> Only way to keep the cost out.
> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 27, 2016 9:44 PM
> *To:* af 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage powerinjector withredundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Chuck McCown

Do you want surge suppressors on each circuit?
Do you want individually replaceable circuits or all on one board?
How many ports?

From: Peter Kranz 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage powerinjector withredundant power..

Here is my ideal solution:

-  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or radio 
damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts down that 
port

-  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each port 
for hard resets

-  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle the 
failure of either device without dropping the APs

-  19” rack mountable

-  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they should be 
replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.

Nice to have (but not a deal killer)

-  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT and 
Cambium 

What I don’t want

-  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do I need 
another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor buffers.

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have worked up 
a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of the problems 
is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the circuit board by 
machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone come?

From: Peter Kranz 

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of wiring, it’s 
a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single tower.. 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant 
power..

GigE-POE- APC 
http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack

-Sean 

On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:

  Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that 
supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally hot-swappable. 
I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d rather just have a 
mid-span device. 

  Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
  Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
  Mobile: 510-207-
  javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Baird

Aren't the CTM2's like 2k/each?

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You just described the last mile gear CTM2
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
>> Here is my ideal solution:
>>
>>
>>
>> -  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or
>> radio damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts
>> down that port
>>
>> -  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each
>> port for hard resets
>>
>> -  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle
>> the failure of either device without dropping the APs
>>
>> -  19” rack mountable
>>
>> -  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they
>> should be replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nice to have (but not a deal killer)
>>
>>
>>
>> -  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT
>> and Cambium
>>
>>
>>
>> What I don’t want
>>
>>
>>
>> -  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do
>> I need another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor
>> buffers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector
>> withredundant power..
>>
>>
>>
>> The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have
>> worked up a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of
>> the problems is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the
>> circuit board by machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone
>> come?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Peter Kranz
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector
>> withredundant power..
>>
>>
>>
>> I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of
>> wiring, it’s a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single
>> tower..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with
>> redundant power..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> GigE-POE- APC
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/
>>
>>
>>
>> You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack
>>
>>
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>>
>> Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that
>> supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally
>> hot-swappable. I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d
>> rather just have a mid-span device.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Baird

Thanks for the replies, all.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:06 PM, John Woodfield 
wrote:

> Didn't Brett Glass used to call himself "Super WISP"
>
>
>
> I jumped for a second lol
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Super WISP" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 2:00pm
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?
>
> Josh,
>
>
> I have over 700 available.  Hit me up off list or call me.
>
>
>
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>
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> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Baird
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?
>
>
>
> What is the deal with Force 180?  Is Cambium even making them?  Nobody has
> had them in stock for months now.
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Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

2016-03-01 Thread John Woodfield

Didn't Brett Glass used to call himself "Super WISP"
 
I jumped for a second lol
 
 
 

John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

-Original Message-From: "Super WISP" Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 2:00pmTo: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?



Josh,
 I have over 700 available.  Hit me up off list or call me.
 
Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast

630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
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www.wavonline.com
 
For additional assistance: email tea...@wavonline.com
 
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh BairdSent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:44 PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?
 

What is the deal with Force 180?  Is Cambium even making them?  Nobody has had them in stock for months now.




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Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Sean Heskett

You just described the last mile gear CTM2

-Sean

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> Here is my ideal solution:
>
>
>
> -  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or radio
> damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts down
> that port
>
> -  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each
> port for hard resets
>
> -  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle
> the failure of either device without dropping the APs
>
> -  19” rack mountable
>
> -  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they
> should be replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.
>
>
>
> Nice to have (but not a deal killer)
>
>
>
> -  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT and
> Cambium
>
>
>
> What I don’t want
>
>
>
> -  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do I
> need another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor
> buffers.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Chuck
> McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector
> withredundant power..
>
>
>
> The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have
> worked up a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of
> the problems is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the
> circuit board by machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone
> come?
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Kranz
> 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector
> withredundant power..
>
>
>
> I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of wiring,
> it’s a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single tower..
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> 
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Sean
> Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with
> redundant power..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GigE-POE- APC
> http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/
>
>
>
> You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  > wrote:
>
> Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that
> supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally
> hot-swappable. I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d
> rather just have a mid-span device.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

+1 PacketFlux has the stuff right for sync, the CMM is a bad switch with
sync.  Let my Mikrotik do the Ethernet stuff.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> Here is my ideal solution:
>
>
>
> -  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or radio
> damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts down
> that port
>
> -  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each
> port for hard resets
>
> -  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle
> the failure of either device without dropping the APs
>
> -  19” rack mountable
>
> -  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they
> should be replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.
>
>
>
> Nice to have (but not a deal killer)
>
>
>
> -  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT and
> Cambium
>
>
>
> What I don’t want
>
>
>
> -  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do I
> need another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor
> buffers.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector
> withredundant power..
>
>
>
> The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have
> worked up a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of
> the problems is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the
> circuit board by machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone
> come?
>
>
>
> *From:* Peter Kranz 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector
> withredundant power..
>
>
>
> I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of wiring,
> it’s a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single tower..
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with
> redundant power..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> GigE-POE- APC
> http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/
>
>
>
> You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
> Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that
> supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally
> hot-swappable. I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d
> rather just have a mid-span device.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

2016-03-01 Thread Super WISP

Josh,

I have over 700 available.  Hit me up off list or call me.

Mark Chamerlik
Strategic Account Manager-East Coast
[cid:image001.jpg@01D14A33.56536AF0]
630-818-1004 OFFICE
815-822-4490 CELL
ma...@wavonline.com
www.wavonline.com

For additional assistance: email 
tea...@wavonline.com

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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

What is the deal with Force 180?  Is Cambium even making them?  Nobody has had 
them in stock for months now.



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Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Peter Kranz

Here is my ideal solution:

 

-  Solid state fusing on each radio, so that I get cable or radio 
damage it doesn’t take down my entire +24V power rail, it just shuts down that 
port

-  The ability to enable/disable the power rail remotely to each port 
for hard resets

-  A power rail that accepts two power supplies and will handle the 
failure of either device without dropping the APs

-  19” rack mountable

-  If device requires fans or internal power supplies, they should be 
replaceable without having to take the unit out of service.

 

Nice to have (but not a deal killer)

 

-  Multi-voltage capable... 48V UPOE for Siklus, 24V for UBNT and 
Cambium 

 

What I don’t want

 

-  A built in switch, I already have fancy ass switches, why do I need 
another switch in the way, probably with crappy features and poor buffers.

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

 

The power bus can be done.  But price will jump quite a bit.  I have worked up 
a design for this but always backed off due to the cost.  One of the problems 
is that there is a connector I need that cannot be put on the circuit board by 
machine.  Lots of hand work.  So if I build it will anyone come?

 

From: Peter Kranz   

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 3:55 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector withredundant power..

 

I like the idea, but no solid state fusing, no power buss, tons of wiring, it’s 
a mess to deploy this when you have over 20 APs on a single tower.. 

 

Peter Kranz
  www.UnwiredLtd.com
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
  pkr...@unwiredltd.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 10:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant 
power..

 

 

 

GigE-POE- APC 
http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

 

You can load 24 of them in a 1U rack

 

-Sean 

On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  > wrote:

Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that 
supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally hot-swappable. 
I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d rather just have a 
mid-span device. 

 

Peter Kranz
www.UnwiredLtd.com  
Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','pkr...@unwiredltd.com');

[AFMUG] Force180 Stock?

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Baird

What is the deal with Force 180?  Is Cambium even making them?  Nobody has
had them in stock for months now.

Re: [AFMUG] Supercharged Raspberry Pi 3 adds Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, and more speed, but still costs $35 | PCWorld

2016-03-01 Thread Bruce Robertson


I do exactly that too.  Works like a champ.

On 02/29/2016 08:36 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
Raspberry pi is cool. Almost a year ago I set up an older model pi 
(model B I think) to run our weather station. It runs headless; no 
monitor, no keyboard, no mouse. It's only connection is a USB for 
power, and ethernet. I think it burns about 2.5 watts. Ours uploads 
all the data to Wunderground, and I manage it through ssh.


bp


On 2/29/2016 6:25 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:


http://www.pcworld.com/article/3038992/hardware/faster-raspberry-pi-3-available-for-35-with-64-bit-processor-wi-fi.html 







!DSPAM:2,56d4739a11396553314317!

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

Thanks!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Novak 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 11:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

  Jay,

  4.5 mile, AF5 23db dishes, -56, 30mhz, 8x, 50/50 split, 133mbit/133mbit. 

  6.5 miles, 30db ubnt dish with RF armor, -50, 20mhz, 8x, 75/25 split, 
138mbit/35mbit. 

  not fully aware of 'real world speeds' but mikrotik's btest does 130/130 udp 
/ 100/100 tcp over the 4.5 mile link.

  If you have not seen this guide it appears to be accurate. 

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5X-useful-info-power-sensitivity-to-achieve-certain-modulation/m-p/1222992#U1222992

  Joe

  On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:03 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

so i'm probably about to throw one of these bad boys up.  what speeds do i 
get at 8x?
since apparently i'd be dreaming at 10x... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Novak 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:16 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

  instead of derailing the af24 thread any further... 

  what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm 
playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 
'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.

  I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP. 
(2 foot, 30db dish)

  Joe

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Joe Novak

Jay,

4.5 mile, AF5 23db dishes, -56, 30mhz, 8x, 50/50 split, 133mbit/133mbit.

6.5 miles, 30db ubnt dish with RF armor, -50, 20mhz, 8x, 75/25 split,
138mbit/35mbit.

not fully aware of 'real world speeds' but mikrotik's btest does 130/130
udp / 100/100 tcp over the 4.5 mile link.

If you have not seen this guide it appears to be accurate.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/AF5X-useful-info-power-sensitivity-to-achieve-certain-modulation/m-p/1222992#U1222992


Joe

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:03 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> so i'm probably about to throw one of these bad boys up.  what speeds do i
> get at 8x?
> since apparently i'd be dreaming at 10x... lol
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joe Novak 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:16 AM
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation
>
> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>
> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm playing
> with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 'well
> hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>
>
> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP.
> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

2016-03-01 Thread James Howard

There you go with those ad hominem attacks!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:05 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

yup..he claimed to be first and I told him about Rafael Chayres from Internet 
Online in Chihuahua,Chihuahua having installed 3 900MHz links to hospital and 
doctor's office for Internet two years before his...1992/93 time 
framewonder if he still wears turtlenecks?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Rick Harnish 
> wrote:
Oh wow, the days of the “Wild West” early WISP days!  Thanks for the chuckle 
Jaime!

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
260-307-4000 cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

I remember checking my email and all of a sudden I am on AfmugI emailed 
Chuck and he  told me I could play with you guys... it's a fun ride ...not 
getting knocked off list as before like when I took on Brett Glass for dissing  
Unger and Larsen... his favorite line was ad hominem attacks on my 
partha...the good old days...
On Mar 1, 2016 7:47 AM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:

Hilarious.

Yeah Charles, pay your damn bill! ;)

That guy could run as Trump's VP.
On Mar 1, 2016 7:05 AM, "Daniel White" 
> wrote:
I’m sure I’ll get a cease and desist letter from Mike, but for those interested…

The above e-mail was sent at 8:29am (MST) on July 7th, 2008.  List went dark at 
2:03pm.  It came back the next morning… all was kinda okay at that point (as I 
recall server outages happened once in a while) but it went down hard a few 
hours later, then was down for 3 ½ days.

My first e-mail with Chuck about the new list was 7:32pm on July 7th.

This part also pissed a lot of people off:

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Cc:
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 07:29:40 -0700
Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
Do you all want all the lists to be free?

If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do 
whatever you want.

I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support 
PART-15.ORG then
don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what 
you guys want and I
have no problem with that idea.

And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get 
back on the lists.
As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned. They
don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I 
let them in for
free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.

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-Original Message-
From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org 
[mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 9:16 AM
To: motor...@part-15.org
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

Trango is still a free list.  No so moto.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Handiboe" 
>
To: >
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Motorola] This should be on the Trango List

> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>> I can think of more than 5 that are no longer here.  I have not heard
>> from any of these guys since the list went paid (I don't think):
>
>> David Sovreen
>> Dan Peterman
>
> I thought I saw these guys  ... Peterman just the other day (?) ...
> maybe that was on the Mikrotik list.   I miss the rest of them.
>
> Funny thing, though, in my

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

so i'm probably about to throw one of these bad boys up.  what speeds do i get 
at 8x?
since apparently i'd be dreaming at 10x... lol

  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Novak 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:16 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

  instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...

  what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm playing 
with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 'well 
hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.

  I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP. (2 
foot, 30db dish)

  Joe

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

2016-03-01 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

ahh, the good ol days.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel White 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 7:05 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

  I'm sure I'll get a cease and desist letter from Mike, but for those 
interested.

  The above e-mail was sent at 8:29am (MST) on July 7th, 2008.  List went dark 
at 2:03pm.  It came back the next morning. all was kinda okay at that point (as 
I recall server outages happened once in a while) but it went down hard a few 
hours later, then was down for 3 ½ days.

  My first e-mail with Chuck about the new list was 7:32pm on July 7th.

  This part also pissed a lot of people off:

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  > All rights reserved. All content becomes the sole property 

  > of PART-15.ORG

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Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Mathew Howard

Your best bet would probably be something like one of the Netonix switches.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> I do have a POE switch but the docs list the UVC cameras as 24 volt and
> not 802.3AF or AT compliant. I know the pro version is 48 volt AF compliant
> but I didn't order any of those, only the regular UVC version. I hope I
> didn't screw up. Are most people using the pro version?
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:13 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Do you already have a switch?  If not, you could use any variety of a PoE
>> switch.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:06 AM, Lewis Bergman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think this is to much of a hijack. I just ordered 13 Ubiquiti
>>> camera that are of the 24 volt UVC variety. Does anyone know
>>> Of a midspan deal, either wall or rack mount, that will prevent me from
>>> having a huge gaggle of individual power inserters for these?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016, 6:47 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Um, yeah.. let me get some of these!

 On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:45 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
 li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The new version J0 syncinjectors which will be available shortly after
> wispamerica (and may end up with a slightly different name to reflect 
> their
> more 'universal' powering capability) do what you're talking about, other
> than the redundant power and hot swappability.
>
> That is: two power rails, jumper selectable per port as far as which
> rail to power from, jumper selectable pair configuration and up to 1A per
> port (which means the same device will do canopy, ubnt, mikrotik, airfiber
> etc.).
>
> Assuming we don't end up with an unexpected board spin, I expect 45-60
> days, preorders to begin probably 30 days from now.
>
> The 12 port din will follow probably around 60 days after that.  There
> won't be a lot of per-port savings,  just a bit of added density (12 ports
> in the same space as two 4 port units would occupy if they were mounted
> next to each other on a DIN rail).
>
> There is also a rackmount unit definitely on the roadmap.  The delay
> right now is finding a enclosure manufacturer, but I am currently 
> following
> several leads, as this is one of my top priorities as I fully realize that
> that is important to many of my customers.
>
> In relation to the redundant power:  Almost all of the redundantly
> powered devices out there simply use two diodes to perform the redundancy
> function.  None of the circuitry that is actually likely to fail is
> actually redundant.  If you're simply wanting to make sure that the 
> devices
> can be powered from either of two sources, then that can be accomplished
> with the two diodes I mentioned above.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Peter Kranz 
> wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector
>> that supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally
>> hot-swappable. I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d
>> rather just have a mid-span device.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> 
>   
>
>

>>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Reynolds

Sorry, 11.76 :)
http://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/AF5X-Early-Test-Track-Report-588-Mbps-with-1024QAM-afterburners/cns-p/1199057

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> 10 bits I believe.  Not sure about 12.8...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mar 1, 2016 11:27 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> 12.8+ bits/hz too! :)
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > s/CPU/FPGA
>> >
>> > Some sort of FPGA thing
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said.  I don't know why, maybe
>> >> > some
>> >> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Josh Luthman
>> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> > 1100 Wayne St
>> >> > Suite 1337
>> >> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??
>> >> >> Seriously
>> >> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my
>> >> >> links
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> sitting at 8x.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>> >> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
>> >> >>> appears to
>> >> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
>> >> >>> EIRP.
>> >> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Joe
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >
>> >

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Joe Novak

I was just interested in trying it out, it's in a fairly quite part of the
network so nothing to lose really. I was able to force the link to operate
at 10x at that distance at 42 EIRP in 20mhz. Capacity dropped 15mbit to
120mbit - instead of 135mbit. I'm sure the error rate was off the charts.
Back to the rock solid 8x :)

I was more shocked that they released the 10x capabilities. I had been
meaning to upgrade the firmware on the link for quite a while. I thought
they would have made a bigger deal out of it.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:33 AM, John Woodfield 
wrote:

> Good luck. I have a sub 1mile link I can't get it to work on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Woodfield, President
>
> Delmarva WiFi Inc.
>
> 410-870-WiFi
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Josh Reynolds" 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:27am
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation
>
> 12.8+ bits/hz too! :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > s/CPU/FPGA
> >
> > Some sort of FPGA thing
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said. I don't know why, maybe
> some
> >> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> > Suite 1337
> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either. Can you believe it??
> >> >> Seriously
> >> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x. All of my links
> >> >> are
> >> >> sitting at 8x.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
> >> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
> >> >>> appears to
> >> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
> >> >>> EIRP.
> >> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Joe
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

the 24volt syncinjectors will do that i believe, youll still have 4 power
supplies but better than 13, or just do a bigger 24 volt

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> You can also use the last mile gear CTM2
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:
>
>> Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that
>> supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally
>> hot-swappable. I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d
>> rather just have a mid-span device.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
>> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
>> Mobile: 510-207-
>> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

10 bits I believe.  Not sure about 12.8...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 1, 2016 11:27 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> 12.8+ bits/hz too! :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > s/CPU/FPGA
> >
> > Some sort of FPGA thing
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
> >>  wrote:
> >> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said.  I don't know why, maybe
> some
> >> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> > Suite 1337
> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy 
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??
> >> >> Seriously
> >> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links
> >> >> are
> >> >> sitting at 8x.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
> >> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
> >> >>> appears to
> >> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
> >> >>> EIRP.
> >> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Joe
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Chuck McCown

Well, it is small torrid transformers inside a chip case.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 9:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

I don’t think there is any chip.  Unless you mean the transformers.

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

Ok, just wanted to make sure the chip that inserted the power didn't need to 
have a matching gigabit chip on the other end.  

On 3/1/2016 10:17 AM, Jeremy wrote:

  It would definitely power them, if you put the power on the correct pins. 

  On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking about. 

On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

  POE

  On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You want the POE?  Or the SS? 

http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the 
GIGE-APC to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them 
with EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the 
jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess with 
anything else?

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Ken Hohhof

I don’t think there is any chip.  Unless you mean the transformers.

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

Ok, just wanted to make sure the chip that inserted the power didn't need to 
have a matching gigabit chip on the other end.  

On 3/1/2016 10:17 AM, Jeremy wrote:

  It would definitely power them, if you put the power on the correct pins. 

  On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking about. 

On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

  POE

  On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You want the POE?  Or the SS? 

http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the 
GIGE-APC to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them 
with EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the 
jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess with 
anything else?

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread John Woodfield


Good luck. I have a sub 1mile link I can't get it to work on.
 
 
 
John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi


-Original Message-
From: "Josh Reynolds" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:27am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation



12.8+ bits/hz too! :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> s/CPU/FPGA
>
> Some sort of FPGA thing
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said. I don't know why, maybe some
>> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either. Can you believe it??
>> >> Seriously
>> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x. All of my links
>> >> are
>> >> sitting at 8x.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>> >>>
>> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
>> >>> appears to
>> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
>> >>> EIRP.
>> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

[AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Sean Heskett

Yes you can use the GIGE-POE-APC with FSK.

Only thing you can't use it with is the 320 and 430 because they use split
pair power.


-Sean


On Tuesday, March 1, 2016, Nate Burke > wrote:

> Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking about.
>
> On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> POE
>
> On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> You want the POE?  Or the SS?
>
>
> http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the GIGE-APC
>> to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them with
>> EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the
>> jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess
>> with anything else?
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Reynolds

12.8+ bits/hz too! :)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> s/CPU/FPGA
>
> Some sort of FPGA thing
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said.  I don't know why, maybe some
>> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
>> >
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??
>> >> Seriously
>> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links
>> >> are
>> >> sitting at 8x.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>> >>>
>> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
>> >>> appears to
>> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
>> >>> EIRP.
>> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Joe
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

s/CPU/FPGA

Some sort of FPGA thing


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> No CPU, it's an FPGA.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
>  wrote:
> > It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said.  I don't know why, maybe some
> > sort of CPU horse power thing.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> >>
> >> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??
> Seriously
> >> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links
> are
> >> sitting at 8x.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
> >>>
> >>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
> >>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it
> appears to
> >>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44
> EIRP.
> >>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Joe
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mid-Span multi-voltage power injector with redundant power..

2016-03-01 Thread Sean Heskett

You can also use the last mile gear CTM2

-Sean


On Monday, February 29, 2016, Peter Kranz  wrote:

> Curious if anyone has recommendations on a mid-span power injector that
> supports multiple voltages and provides redundant power, ideally
> hot-swappable. I don’t really want a switch like the netonix boxes, I’d
> rather just have a mid-span device.
>
>
>
>
> *Peter Kranz*www.UnwiredLtd.com 
> Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
> Mobile: 510-207-
> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt

There was a thread at UBNT Forum. There is a sweet spot regarding Signal/ 
Frequency and max TX-Power.

So you might need a bigger antenna, go to lower frequencies and turn power down 
to reduce radio noise.







Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Joe Novak
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 17:17
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation



instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...



what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm playing with 
my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 'well hidden' 
on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.





I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP. (2 
foot, 30db dish)







Joe

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Reynolds

ClaudeSS on the UBNT forum made a chart somewhere, but I can't seem to
find it. It's a very narrow window, something between like -47 and -53
or -54, 25-30SNR. Shortish range, very picky. 1024QAM is hard in
unlicensed space.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??  Seriously
> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links are
> sitting at 8x.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>>
>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm playing
>> with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 'well
>> hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>>
>>
>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP.
>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Reynolds

No CPU, it's an FPGA.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 10:22 AM, Josh Luthman
 wrote:
> It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said.  I don't know why, maybe some
> sort of CPU horse power thing.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??  Seriously
>> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links are
>> sitting at 8x.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>>>
>>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>>>
>>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to
>>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>>>
>>>
>>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP.
>>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

2016-03-01 Thread John Woodfield

He's probably a member of this group and we've talked him up.

John Woodfield, President
Delmarva WiFi Inc.
410-870-WiFi

-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 11:05am
To: "Animal Farm" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

yup..he claimed to be first and I told him about Rafael Chayres from Internet 
Online in Chihuahua,Chihuahua having installed 3 900MHz links to hospital and 
doctor's office for Internet two years before his...1992/93 time 
framewonder if he still wears turtlenecks?

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Rick Harnish <[ rharn...@fibertothefarm.com ]( 
mailto:rharn...@fibertothefarm.com )> wrote:

Oh wow, the days of the “Wild West” early WISP days!  Thanks for the chuckle 
Jaime!

Respectfully,

Rick Harnish
Broadband Consultant & Industry Analyst
[ 260-307-4000 ]( tel:260-307-4000 ) cell
Skype: rick.harnish.
Twitter: @rharnish

From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On 
Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 10:22 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - Part-15.org

I remember checking my email and all of a sudden I am on AfmugI emailed 
Chuck and he  told me I could play with you guys... it's a fun ride ...not 
getting knocked off list as before like when I took on Brett Glass for dissing  
Unger and Larsen... his favorite line was ad hominem attacks on my 
partha...the good old days...

On Mar 1, 2016 7:47 AM, "Josh Reynolds" <[ j...@kyneticwifi.com ]( 
mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com )> wrote:

Hilarious.
Yeah Charles, pay your damn bill! ;)
That guy could run as Trump's VP.

On Mar 1, 2016 7:05 AM, "Daniel White" <[ afmu...@gmail.com ]( 
mailto:afmu...@gmail.com )> wrote:

I’m sure I’ll get a cease and desist letter from Mike, but for those interested…

The above e-mail was sent at 8:29am (MST) on July 7th, 2008.  List went dark at 
2:03pm.  It came back the next morning… all was kinda okay at that point (as I 
recall server outages happened once in a while) but it went down hard a few 
hours later, then was down for 3 ½ days.

My first e-mail with Chuck about the new list was 7:32pm on July 7th.

This part also pissed a lot of people off:

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 To: <[ motor...@part-15.org ]( mailto:motor...@part-15.org )>
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Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Josh Luthman

It's only in 5.1 from what the notes said.  I don't know why, maybe some
sort of CPU horse power thing.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:19 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??  Seriously
> though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links are
> sitting at 8x.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>>
>> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm
>> playing with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to
>> be 'well hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>>
>>
>> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP.
>> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Chuck McCown

Just make sure to leave the jumpers off the data pins.  1&2   3&6
Put the jumpers on 4&5 and 7&8

From: Nate Burke 
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

Ok, just wanted to make sure the chip that inserted the power didn't need to 
have a matching gigabit chip on the other end.  

On 3/1/2016 10:17 AM, Jeremy wrote:

  It would definitely power them, if you put the power on the correct pins. 

  On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking about. 

On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

  POE

  On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You want the POE?  Or the SS? 

http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

  I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the 
GIGE-APC to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them 
with EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the 
jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess with 
anything else?

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Jeremy

I have powered non-gigabit UBNT with them.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Ok, just wanted to make sure the chip that inserted the power didn't need
> to have a matching gigabit chip on the other end.
>
> On 3/1/2016 10:17 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>
> It would definitely power them, if you put the power on the correct pins.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking
>> about.
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>>
>> POE
>>
>> On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>>
>> You want the POE?  Or the SS?
>>
>>
>> http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the GIGE-APC
>>> to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them with
>>> EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the
>>> jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess
>>> with anything else?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Stefan Englhardt

Yes. This was a great radio.





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Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 16:59
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



and the PTP600 was what, ten years old when the AF5x came out?



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From: "Stefan Englhardt"  >
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 1, 2016 9:34:21 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

Yes. Under very good conditions 1024 QAM is possible with AF5X. With Back2Back 
Sync we’ve to play with power levels of the

remote sides to keep modulations up.



AF5X is a very good radio. First 5GHz Radio better than PTP600 imho. And it 
takes only 10W compared to the 50W of a PTP600.

The SW is not as good. Every change gives a reboot.









Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Josh Luthman
Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. März 2016 15:34
An: af@afmug.com 
Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



I want to say the old Blackberries could do 64QAM (802.11n)?


AF5x can do 1024QAM - that's just AMAZING!!!






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:

LOL I wouldn't have said "kind of crap", but sure, the AF24 is 64QAM.

The AF24HD is 256QAM.

On Mar 1, 2016 8:27 AM, "Josh Luthman"  > wrote:

Probably added another modulation on top.  Old one was kind of crap, wasn't it? 
 64QAM?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Steve Utick  > wrote:

However, the HD is also gigabit full duplex as well, whereas the 24 is only 700 
Meg full duplex.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:17 AM, Josh Baird  > wrote:

Yeah, the price tag on the 'HD' is steeep.



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Joe Novak  > wrote:

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser  > wrote:

Same with Cambium PTP820S






Erich Kaiser

North Central Tower

er...@northcentraltower.com 

Office: 630-621-4804 

Cell: 630-777-9291 





On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright  > wrote:

The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>



Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...



On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.



From: Adam Moffett 

Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?



More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.

On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:

Hey all,

I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use

Re: [AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Jeremy

My 19 mile shot isn't hitting it either.  Can you believe it??  Seriously
though, I have no idea what SNR is required for 10x.  All of my links are
sitting at 8x.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:16 AM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...
>
> what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm playing
> with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 'well
> hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.
>
>
> I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP.
> (2 foot, 30db dish)
>
>
>
> Joe
>

[AFMUG] AF5X and 10x modulation

2016-03-01 Thread Joe Novak

instead of derailing the af24 thread any further...

what conditions do I need to hit to make the af5x play at 10x? I'm playing
with my 6.5 mile link just seeing what is possible.. it appears to be 'well
hidden' on ubiquiti's website because I can't find it.


I appear to have it bouncing in and out of 10x at about a -57 @ 44 EIRP. (2
foot, 30db dish)



Joe

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Nate Burke


Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking about.

On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

POE

On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You want the POE?  Or the SS?

http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the
GIGE-APC to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)?
I've used them with EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet
ports.   Obviously set the jumpers so power is only on 45/78. 
But does the power injection chip mess with anything else?

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Nate Burke

Ok, just wanted to make sure the chip that inserted the power didn't 
need to have a matching gigabit chip on the other end.


On 3/1/2016 10:17 AM, Jeremy wrote:

It would definitely power them, if you put the power on the correct pins.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:


Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm
asking about.


On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:

POE

On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You want the POE?  Or the SS?


http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke > wrote:

I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use
the GIGE-APC to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic
inline)? I've used them with EPMP radios, but those are
Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the jumpers so power
is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess
with anything else?

Re: [AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Jeremy

It would definitely power them, if you put the power on the correct pins.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Oh, I realized the confusion.  GIGE-POE-(APC) that's what I'm asking about.
>
>
> On 3/1/2016 10:09 AM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
> POE
>
> On 3/1/2016 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> You want the POE?  Or the SS?
>
>
> http://www.mccowntech.com/rack-mount-gige-poe-apc-surge-suppressor-power-inserter-protector/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the GIGE-APC
>> to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them with
>> EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set the
>> jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection chip mess
>> with anything else?
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

2016-03-01 Thread Chris Wright

And sometime last month, and the month before that…

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Novak
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2016 6:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

Apologies, I had no idea the AF24HD was going for 6k a link, wow! Looking 
back.. it does look like the AF24 is still 3k per link, which I for some reason 
thought the AF24HD would be more cost competitive. Mimosa's links are in a 
great spot... I think the promise was sometime this month.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Erich Kaiser 
> wrote:
Same with Cambium PTP820S

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chris Wright 
> wrote:
The trick is getting Mimosa to actually ship them. >.>

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 11:22 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

A Mimosa B11 link can be done for about the same cost as AF24HD...

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I would do licensed.  11 or 18 GHz.  Then you save the spectrum and have 
something that works all the time.  That that much more money.  If you are 
maxing out APs then you have the customers to pay for the licensed BH.

From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF 24 HD Real World Range?

More than 1.5 to maybe 2 miles at 24ghz is nuts.
...but it depends how much rain you get.
On 2/29/2016 11:23 AM, Sam Lambie wrote:
Hey all,
I have a PTP 450 link at 6.937 miles that is working fine with 3 access points. 
But we want to install another 450 AP and I am loathe to use it as will 
saturate the link in no time.
Looking to save the 5ghz spectrum for our AP's, I am thinking of the AF24HD. 
Has anyone installed a link that far? Does it work well? I don't need the full 
2 gigs. More like 300 would be more than enough for quite a while.
Sam

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Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

[AFMUG] GIGE-APC with FSK Radios

2016-03-01 Thread Nate Burke

I'm sure it works, but I thought I better ask, can you use the GIGE-APC 
to power a FSK AP (With a sync pipe parasitic inline)? I've used them 
with EPMP radios, but those are Gigabit Ethernet ports.   Obviously set 
the jumpers so power is only on 45/78.  But does the power injection 
chip mess with anything else?

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