Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Im a team player and WB/Mccowntech has always treated me like a champ, so Im willing to help you off that cash... I mean assist you with verifying that transaction. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Gosh, you would do that for me? What a guy! > > *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Now to figure out how to economically do 2250+ ft (about 700m) of somewhat flexible duct through a forest... On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > always do a duct, always. A cable of any type is always nice, but a really > long hole is

[AFMUG] Crouch, Idaho

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Here's what the 4th of July looks like for your typical western state rural WISP customers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cT8XxXXi7rk=desktop

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber toolbox

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Klein tool backpack and two small multi-compartment organizers (like the type you see for fly fishing) that hold essential small stuff.. Pelican 1510 hard case with fusion splicer and its accessories. Stuff like the cleaver and fiber prep gear lives in either the backpack or the 1510 depending

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa A5c Range

2016-07-06 Thread Rory Conaway
I don't think it's out yet. Depending on the sector antenna and what modulation levels you need, you should be able to get 2-5 miles with the C5. When the C5c comes out where you can use a bigger antenna, range won't be an issue. Rory -Original Message- From: Af

[AFMUG] Fiber toolbox

2016-07-06 Thread Jason McKemie
Does anyone have a recommendation for something that has worked well for you? I'm wanting something with space for supplies as well as basic tools. Pretty much everything I've used so far just has one main compartment for the tools, I'd like something a bit more structured.

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
So far it seems like 14.1.2 for the win. Of course it’s hard to say for sure a problem is fixed unless you first find a way to reliably reproduce it. From: George Skorup Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:41 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread George Skorup
Stupid things meaning SMs losing session randomly. SMs failing to register and getting stuck 'out of range'. APs reporting no sync when clearly there's sync and all SMs are still registered. Sync drifting. And then DFS/LBT madness. Never had an AP go MIA though. Do you have any other Canopy

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
always do a duct, always. A cable of any type is always nice, but a really long hole is always better. When I become rich man and can put stuff in dirt it will always be a path for something else. Expensive containers and cheap removable innards, like those washable condoms of yore. On Wed, Jul

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Roland Houin
we had a similar situation, although we never lost communication with the ap. eventually traced to a customer's router (damaged by lightning?). setting sm's to nat mode allowed us to narrow down to specific cust..   Roland   > Well, “stupid things start happening” seems apt. Maybe it just

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Trey Scarborough
what are you planning on using for the fiber? just laying it on the ground as well. I would use liquid tight and pull through some solid 18awg that would last the longest or some inch and a quarter duct and pull both through. On 7/6/2016 1:38 PM, Jeremy wrote: Not sure what kind of rodents

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
Well, “stupid things start happening” seems apt. Maybe it just didn’t cause a watchdog reset. Like the stupid people who still manage to dress themselves, drive cars, vote, and generally defy Darwin. Power cycling it via the Packetflux POE would briefly bring it back, but only until SMs

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread George Skorup
It could be related to the 13.x FPGA memory controller bug, but I haven't seen this specific problem on dozens of APs. I definitely know the memory bug when I see it because stupid things start happening and the AP has to be rebooted. But the AP becoming completely unresponsive while the

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
I’d also make sure you have enough power getting up the cable to drive it. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 9:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive,doesn't happen if no SM sessions

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
OK, I just upgraded the AP to 14.1.2 and so far, so good. SMs next. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions i would upgrade the AP and all SMs to 14.1.2 (it's a very

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread timothy steele
I have seen that if there is a firmware mismatch example AP is on 14.1.1 and the SM is on a firmware older then 13.4 I have seen random data drops or the AP kicking the SM On Wed, Jul 6, 2016, 6:59 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I’m sure it’s not a network loop or attack. > > I’m

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread Christopher Gray
No RADIUS, just bridge. I do have interference, but it is generally minimal. No smart meters, very rural, usually a low noise floor. I'm going to be swapping a bunch of this hardware out in 3-4 weeks, but I need to buy some time. I suppose I was hoping the 13.4.1 had some issue and a downgrade

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
I’m sure it’s not a network loop or attack. I’m starting to think this is a variation of the memory controller problem, but rather than causing watchdog resets, it’s causing data to stop being processed. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 5:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread Sean Heskett
Are you using RADIUS? We had to turn auth off for several 900 APs because the connection was too weak to maintain the tunnel necessary for the RADIUS handshake. Sounds like you probably have interference which is typical for 900mhz -Sean On Wednesday, July 6, 2016, Christopher Gray

[AFMUG] Mimosa A5c Range

2016-07-06 Thread Matt
Anyone deployed the A5c sector yet? What kind of range are you getting for C5 SM's? The short range has always held me back.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread Christopher Gray
It is not especially scientific at this point. Customers who claim they previously had no problem now have regular re-registrations. I'm starting to wonder if some of these radios are simply failing [one is receiving around -70 dBm but cannot keep a link up long enough to get the spectrum analyzer

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Sean Heskett
i would upgrade the AP and all SMs to 14.1.2 (it's a very stable release) if it exhibits these issues once SMs start to register are you sure that you are not somehow creating a network loop through an SM, or some client is launching a DDoS and the subject of a DDoS attack? On Wed, Jul 6, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Gosh, you would do that for me? What a guy! From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. If you send me the card numbers and the three code off the back of the card I can go ahead and check to see how the

[AFMUG] 450 AP intermittently nonresponsive, doesn't happen if no SM sessions

2016-07-06 Thread Ken Hohhof
Does this sound like any kind of a known issue? I have a 450 AP that has been in service for about a year that has started intermittently becoming nonresponsive from the Ethernet side (can't access GUI, doesn't pass traffic). I thought Ethernet problem, but neither the AP nor the switch

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
If you send me the card numbers and the three code off the back of the card I can go ahead and check to see how the transaction will turn out, but im pretty sure it will come back over limit when you try to run it On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:29 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > You may

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
huh what? So, why would the SNR values change if its simply an indicator of what it would be on a clean channel, every radio with a -60 would always have the exact same SNR every time under all circumstances based on that description On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Dan Sullivan <

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Travis Johnson
You may have a hard time getting a "small business" card that provides 2% cashback for that high of a limit. These are designed for businesses that spend less than $50k/month on a credit card. That is the one good thing about AMEX, once you have built a reputation with them, there really is no

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
I can think of one customer of ours that uses Amex. There could be more - but heck, costco even just dumped em - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. I have had

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
All of my company spend goes through a starwood amex or the chase ink card. It's nice when you generate free hotel nights. The points also have fewer tax implications than cash back. As an example, I just booked five nights at a four star hotel in Berlin which would have been around 250 a

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
I have had bad experiences with totally clean legit AMEX before. I can only imagine. From: Chuck Hogg Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 1:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. So just a simple word of advice...don't do it. We did this before for a rental

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Friend moved to Florida last year. I see his weather posts. That weather looks like complete hell even if you have an office AC job. For working outside I'd GTFO in a week. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Gino Villarini
I dont live in FL... lol On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > *not available to weird places that have beautiful weather all the time > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > >

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck Hogg
So just a simple word of advice...don't do it. We did this before for a rental house that needed a new A/C. The guy originally told us he could take AMEX and then found out he couldn't. So we ended up running the transaction, to pay the contractor. AMEX said that since we were owners of the

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
*not available to weird places that have beautiful weather all the time Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > good lord! in need to apply for that 2% cash

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Gino Villarini
good lord! in need to apply for that 2% cash back! we are pumping over $100k per month to our corp amex On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 3:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I like miles because I can’t spend them. Dollars back I would spend and > then when I need to go to the UK to visit my

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
I like miles because I can’t spend them. Dollars back I would spend and then when I need to go to the UK to visit my daughter I have to cough up the dough. From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 1:30 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The Citi double cash is 2%. I used to use it as my everyday spend card. I am having really good luck with chase ultimate rewards earning cards, and also spg earning cards. With the combination of the chase sapphire, freedom, and freedom unlimited cards for personal and chase ink, I get

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Well said, Jay. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: par...@cyberbroadband.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 1:59:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread par...@cyberbroadband.net
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "Mike Hammett" To: Subject: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0 Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2016 1:39 PM Oh, so thermal noise. I think operators have more or less have just coined noise as

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Awesome, thanks! The business card is probably a Spark Signature. The regular Spark is only 1.5%. I found this out last year when someone else said they had the similar card but 2%. A phone call and $59 a year fixed that right up =) Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Travis Johnson
The personal card is the Citi Mastercard. The business card is the CapitalOne Spark Business card. Travis On 7/6/2016 12:37 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: What's the 2% personal card if I can ask? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Technically that is true. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. I'm not sure that Chuck is *trying* to get the points (unlike the last thread). I think it's just paying for things he personally got from

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
You have to ask your self questions about what expense is a business expense ... From: Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k) justify the miles you will

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Mike Hammett
I'm not sure that Chuck is *trying* to get the points (unlike the last thread). I think it's just paying for things he personally got from the company. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Oh, so thermal noise. I think operators have more or less have just coined noise as anything that reduces the utility of the link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Dan Sullivan"

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Jeremy
Not sure what kind of rodents you have there, but I definitely recommend conduit and buried. I have seen conduit not buried through the woods and it gets squished and broken (if it is PVC) by Moose, deer, etc. I have seen direct burial not in conduit eaten by Gophers or Voles or some crap. Those

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
What's the 2% personal card if I can ask? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 2:35 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k) justify the miles > you will

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread Dan Sullivan
Hi, SNR reports the signal to noise ratio. If there is additional interference, then the CINR (carrier to interference and noise ratio) will be less than SNR. If there is no interference, then CINR will be the same as SNR. Therefore, SNR is your best case and reflects expected performance

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Travis Johnson
Does the 3% credit card processing fee ($300 on $10k) justify the miles you will gain? How much is it to just "buy" the same amount of miles? Inquiring minds want to know. I use a 2% cashback on everything card for ALL my personal expenses (groceries, gas, utility bills, cell phone bill,

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 Repairs?

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
I wonder if they're doing any electronic repairs or if it's less costly for them to take the body of a dead AF24 and slap a new circuit board in it. On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:48 AM, George Skorup wrote: > UBNT? You send them a bad radio and $500 (or $400?), and they send you

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Sterling Jacobson
If you regularly process amounts of $10k then it’s probably not a problem at all. Otherwise, I would just invoice it in accounting and then write a check or wire transfer funds directly against that invoice. But if your intent is to load up the debt on a credit card then paying with credit

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 Repairs?

2016-07-06 Thread Gino Villarini
thanks On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:48 PM, George Skorup wrote: > UBNT? You send them a bad radio and $500 (or $400?), and they send you a > refurbished unit. > > > On 7/6/2016 12:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: > >> Who is repairing AF24 units? got a couple of out of warranty units

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
S Corp From: Jason Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 12:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. Sole Proprietor? LLC or Corp? If you are a structured org (llc,Corp) and you have an invoice for said items then you should be ok. Credit card kiting refers to

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Jason Wilson
Sole Proprietor? LLC or Corp? If you are a structured org (llc,Corp) and you have an invoice for said items then you should be ok. *Credit card kiting* refers to the use of one or more credit cards to obtain cash and purchasing power they do not have,

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Cameron Crum
I didn't think about the miles thing. I just didn't think they would care as they are still getting paid and you'll be out about 3% of the charge. The biggest charge I've run through my own cars was about $300. I know square used to hold funds over $1000 for some period...like 7 days or so? Maybe

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
I am thinking of doing this for about $10K and really don’t want to get money or systems locked up. I can also run it through my ecommerce site and I have a quick books merchant account too. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Miles... From: Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities. Your personal card on Jenny's reader? How do you end up buying something from your own company? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
>From what came up a while ago you can do that no problem after contacting the merchant but IPPay doesn't allow those shenanigans. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Your personal card on Jenny's reader? How do you end up buying something from your own company? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > This has been covered here

Re: [AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Cameron Crum
I've run my own card on my own account before a couple of times for testing and for paying myself for something as well. I'm not sure they really care, but I haven't read the AUP in like 4 years. Cameron On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > This has been

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 Repairs?

2016-07-06 Thread George Skorup
UBNT? You send them a bad radio and $500 (or $400?), and they send you a refurbished unit. On 7/6/2016 12:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote: Who is repairing AF24 units? got a couple of out of warranty units with power/ethernet problems

[AFMUG] AF24 Repairs?

2016-07-06 Thread Gino Villarini
Who is repairing AF24 units? got a couple of out of warranty units with power/ethernet problems

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread George Skorup
What does eAlign say you're getting for Rx power on each polarity, at both ends? I had an ePTP link that showed great SNR, MCS14 one way, MCS15 the other, yet it would do only about 5x15Mbps. 4 mile link at about -55dBm. Changed frequency and it magically does 27x28Mbps (10MHz channel). On

[AFMUG] Credit card irregularities.

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
This has been covered here before. I am considering buying something from my own company. Have Jenny run my personal card on her company square reader. Not sure if that violates any kind of AUP. Hate to get her merchant account shut down. It is a woman owned business with her owning more

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread George Skorup
I didn't see any difference in performance going from 13.1.3 to 13.4.1. On 7/6/2016 9:41 AM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: Chris in the interest of muddying the waters more and contradicting what Sean just said. We also are using 13.4.1 on all APs since we were collocating with 450i. Its been very

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Use isolation transformers. And call it a speaker wire. You are sending a loud 60 cycle tone. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor Yeah, can't do either of those... Burying it to Canadian

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Yeah, can't do either of those... Burying it to Canadian electrical code compliant depth through 700 meters (2296 ft) of forest, fallen trees and rocks isn't going to happen. There is the slight possibility of electrical inspection based on where the power would be coming from. Using a

Re: [AFMUG] extending a 25g tower on American Tower property

2016-07-06 Thread Josh Luthman
Uh no. You're covering your ass. You're after a NTP (notice to proceed) from American Tower. The city would do permits. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <

Re: [AFMUG] extending a 25g tower on American Tower property

2016-07-06 Thread Bill Prince
If they have their own shed, and their own 25G on the property, they have some sort of extraordinary arrangement with AT already. They should not get you involved in what they want to "enhance", they should deal directly with AT. bp On 7/6/2016 9:55 AM, That One

[AFMUG] extending a 25g tower on American Tower property

2016-07-06 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
We have a customer with equipment on an American Tower property. They have their own shed on the property with a 20' 25 g tower attached. They have us and a second WISP on their 25g, but our service requires another 10-30 feet depending on how much better they want the service They want us to do

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Bill Prince
Or you could buck it to 480VAC or more... bp On 7/6/2016 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 240 AC over direct burial romex. All the power you might want. *From:* Eric Kuhnke *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:29 AM *To:* af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
240 AC over direct burial romex. All the power you might want. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor It's looking like $0.25/ft for the cable and the singlemode fiber is less... Also the area

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
It's looking like $0.25/ft for the cable and the singlemode fiber is less... Also the area is totally filled with trees, trees cannot be cut for various reasons, it's the side of a bluff on a hilltop. Branches and a few things in one particular direction (about 10 degrees of azimuth) would be cut

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
I have run lotsa direct burial romex over the ground to do things like this. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor That's more in $/ft than 14-2 UF-NMC cable, which I am seeing at $0.25/ft from

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Bill Prince
For that amount of cable, at 50 cents a foot, I would probably do a small solar setup. What is the latitude? bp On 7/5/2016 4:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP radio will go on the side of a tree on

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Eric Kuhnke
That's more in $/ft than 14-2 UF-NMC cable, which I am seeing at $0.25/ft from the local Platt electric before any discounts are applied... On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Jason Wilson wrote: > I also would go the conduit route BUT if you were to go with your >

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

2016-07-06 Thread Justin Wilson
Ill add a little more here. Cogent tends to bring some of their grief on themselves. Here in Indiana their rack used to be the worst, by far, in the carrier hotel. You could not see the switches due to the fiber covering them. They would send out maintenance notices and then end up doing

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

2016-07-06 Thread Chuck McCown
Who needs a permit. Just one long extension cord. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor It does need to stay "low voltage" because there is no practical/economical way to get an electrical permit

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread Brandon Yuchasz
Chris in the interest of muddying the waters more and contradicting what Sean just said. We also are using 13.4.1 on all APs since we were collocating with 450i. Its been very stable for us as well and I did not notice any week signal connections becoming worse. The contradiction is we did not

Re: [AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Ive noticed at much below what it says is 25 snr, the MCS does whatever the hell it wants On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:18 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Has the SNR reading on the ePMP series proven accurate? I know to not > believe the UBNT AirMax one and IIRC, the same with Mikrotik.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread Sean Heskett
All of mine are on 13.4.1 and are as stable as 900mhz can be. Make sure no SMs are lower than 13.x with the AP above 13.x that will cause stability issues. -Sean On Wednesday, July 6, 2016, Christopher Gray wrote: > I upgraded a system that had a mix of firmware

[AFMUG] Plenty of SNR, MCS 0

2016-07-06 Thread Mike Hammett
Has the SNR reading on the ePMP series proven accurate? I know to not believe the UBNT AirMax one and IIRC, the same with Mikrotik. I have a link that has 23 dB of SNR (from both sides of a PtP), yet maintains MCS 0 for uplink and downlink. The link is down about 10 dB for some unknown

[AFMUG] PMP100 900MHz Best Firmware?

2016-07-06 Thread Christopher Gray
I upgraded a system that had a mix of firmware ranging 7.x to 12.x. I moved everything to 13.4.1. I'm seeing stability issues. Weak links or high interference links are dropping regularly where they were not dropping in the past. Decent links appear to be holding 2X modulation better, but I need