Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-09 Thread Chris Wright 
If I had to guess, it’s because your situation is simply a confirmation that 
people are getting their hands on licensed radios before the actual licenses. 
And we all knew Mimosa/UBNT would be the catalyst.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 9:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

 

Mimosa b11, why

 

On Aug 8, 2017 10:18 PM, "Trey Scarborough" <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:

Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa

On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:(937)%20552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:(937)%20552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are 
expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb, 
public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special Temporary 
Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must be followed up 
with formal applications and fees.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

 

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?




 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340> 
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343> 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

 

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



-
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From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

 

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones 
Mimosa b11, why

On Aug 8, 2017 10:18 PM, "Trey Scarborough" <t...@3dsc.co> wrote:

> Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa
>
> On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>
>> 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are
>> expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb,
>> public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special
>> Temporary Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must
>> be followed up with formal applications and fees.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?
>>
>> Is 30 days really not enough for you?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>>
>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
>> period.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>> without likely being caught.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Trey Scarborough 

Please tell me this is not a AF11 or mimosa

On 8/8/2017 1:33 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com 
<mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>> wrote:


30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs
today are expedited to 10-business days. If it’s a dire emergency
– life and limb, public safety or restoration of service, the FCC
allows STAs (Special Temporary Authority).  These can be granted
immediately by email but must be followed up with formal
applications and fees.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:%28937%29%20552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com
<mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>> wrote:

There is no authority to operate until the applications have
been filed – period.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your
coordinator say?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN
do it without likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I
know we can physically install the radios, its just storage at
height at that point, but can we turn it on long enough to do
fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Use 10GHz radar detector parts... HAM guys have done 300 mile links with
10GHz over water.
Jaime Solorza

On Aug 8, 2017 3:15 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I loved the idea of the scopebut the thing about the scope is if it
> was close enough to see the other end with a scope, then I didn't need any
> tool to align it.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/8/2017 4:57:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency.  It was a pretty
> slick system.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the
> optics dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz feed
> in place.
>
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
> I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction
> unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are
> nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics
> had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other
> side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I
> sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>
>> Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional
>> Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated
>> quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green
>> Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are
>> not within 56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible
>> for Conditional Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as
>> soon as the applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license
>> grant.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator
>> has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing
>> frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t
>> properly engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the
>> result of complaints of actual interference from other licensees and
>> coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so
>> which is usually much less time than ordering and shipping of equipment.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
>> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
>> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>> It does not take that long to get a license.
>>
>>
>>
>> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
>> be had.
>>
>>
>>
>> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
>> radios and antennas.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
>> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
>> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
>> takes to aim them.
>>
>>
>>
>> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
>> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>>
>> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>>
>> Then file with the FCC.
>>
>> Then install and aim and operate.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>&

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett 
I loved the idea of the scopebut the thing about the scope is if it 
was close enough to see the other end with a scope, then I didn't need 
any tool to align it.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 4:57:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency.  It was a pretty 
slick system.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the 
optics dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz 
feed in place.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction 
unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There 
are nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands.


From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like 
Teletronics had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and 
receiver at other side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed 
made some for me which I sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> 
wrote:
Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are 
designated quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all 
bands around Green Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these 
areas and the stations are not within 56 kilometers of an 
international border you should be eligible for Conditional 
Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the 
applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license grant.




I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your 
coordinator has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing 
power, changing frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the 
proposal wasn’t properly engineered in the first place and the 
changes were likely the result of complaints of actual interference 
from other licensees and coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited 
to 10-business days or so which is usually much less time than 
ordering and shipping of equipment.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill 
be gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If 
nothing else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.




I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


It does not take that long to get a license.



The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a 
pair to be had.




Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, 
order the radios and antennas.




I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low 
chance of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any 
longer than it takes to aim them.




The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world 
the 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.


Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.

Then file with the FCC.

Then install and aim and operate.



From: Steve Jones

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



filed or approved?



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> 
wrote:


There is no authority to operate until the applications have been 
filed – period.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator 
say?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck 
Align it with the scope and then put in any frequency.  It was a pretty slick 
system.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the optics 
dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz feed in place.


-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction unless 
I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are nationwide 
frequencies available in most if not all bands.  

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics 
had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other 
side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I sold 
years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz. 


  Jaime Solorza 
  Wireless Systems Architect
  915-861-1390

  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated 
quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, 
WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not within 
56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible for Conditional 
Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the 
applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license grant.



I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator has 
to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing 
frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t properly 
engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the result of 
complaints of actual interference from other licensees and coordinators.  Most 
PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so which is usually much less 
time than ordering and shipping of equipment. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be 
gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else 
ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.



I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  It does not take that long to get a license.  



  The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to 
be had.  



  Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.



  I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of 
harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes 
to aim them.  



  The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 
30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.

  Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  

  Then file with the FCC.  

  Then install and aim and operate.  



  From: Steve Jones 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  filed or approved?



  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed 
– period.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.



If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physi

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett 
I think you more or less had this with your swappable feed horns on the 
optics dish.  A person could align it with 5ghz, then put their 18ghz 
feed in place.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 8/8/2017 2:25:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction 
unless I could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are 
nationwide frequencies available in most if not all bands.


From:Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like 
Teletronics had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and 
receiver at other side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed 
made some for me which I sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.



Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> 
wrote:
Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are 
designated quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands 
around Green Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and 
the stations are not within 56 kilometers of an international border 
you should be eligible for Conditional Authorization which will allow 
you to operate legally as soon as the applications have been filed and 
pending formal FCC license grant.




I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your 
coordinator has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing 
power, changing frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the 
proposal wasn’t properly engineered in the first place and the changes 
were likely the result of complaints of actual interference from other 
licensees and coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited to 
10-business days or so which is usually much less time than ordering 
and shipping of equipment.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill 
be gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If 
nothing else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.




I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:


It does not take that long to get a license.



The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a 
pair to be had.




Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order 
the radios and antennas.




I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low 
chance of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any 
longer than it takes to aim them.




The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world 
the 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.


Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.

Then file with the FCC.

Then install and aim and operate.



From: Steve Jones

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

To:af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



filed or approved?



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> 
wrote:


There is no authority to operate until the applications have been 
filed – period.




From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator 
say?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> 
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> 
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> 
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> 
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>

The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>


From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.




If w

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Reynolds 
"Thats hot"

On Aug 8, 2017 1:25 PM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> I don't do shit until Liz tells me I can.
>
> On 8/8/2017 1:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote:
>
> 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are
> expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb,
> public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special
> Temporary Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must
> be followed up with formal applications and fees.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?
>
> Is 30 days really not enough for you?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>
> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Luthman 
Ya sorry didn't see your later email.  Thanks for the details!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

> 30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are
> expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb,
> public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special
> Temporary Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must
> be followed up with formal applications and fees.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?
>
> Is 30 days really not enough for you?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>
> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread George Skorup 

I don't do shit until Liz tells me I can.

On 8/8/2017 1:02 PM, Hardy, Tim wrote:


30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today 
are expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life 
and limb, public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs 
(Special Temporary Authority). These can be granted immediately by 
email but must be followed up with formal applications and fees.


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com 
<mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>> wrote:


There is no authority to operate until the applications have been
filed – period.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do
it without likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I
know we can physically install the radios, its just storage at
height at that point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine
alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck 
I presume operation of the tester would cause some kind of infraction unless I 
could get a nationwide narrowband frequency for it.  There are nationwide 
frequencies available in most if not all bands.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:05 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics had. 
  A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other side 
connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I sold 
years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz. 


Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

  Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional 
Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated 
quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, 
WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not within 
56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible for Conditional 
Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the 
applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license grant.



  I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator has 
to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing 
frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t properly 
engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the result of 
complaints of actual interference from other licensees and coordinators.  Most 
PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so which is usually much less 
time than ordering and shipping of equipment. 



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone 
for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill 
just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.



  I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient



  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

It does not take that long to get a license.  



The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to 
be had.  



Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.



I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of 
harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes 
to aim them.  



The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.

Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  

Then file with the FCC.  

Then install and aim and operate.  



From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



filed or approved?



On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

  There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.



  If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, 
but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza 
time for Chuck to design and make an 18GHz alignment tool like Teletronics
had.   A transmitter on one side connected to antenna and receiver at other
side connected to antenna.   Teletronics customed made some for me which I
sold years ago in 2450 GHz and 5750MHz.


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

> Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional
> Authorization is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated
> quiet zones.  Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green
> Bank, WV, etc.  If you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are
> not within 56 kilometers of an international border you should be eligible
> for Conditional Authorization which will allow you to operate legally as
> soon as the applications have been filed and pending formal FCC license
> grant.
>
>
>
> I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator
> has to make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing
> frequencies, etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t
> properly engineered in the first place and the changes were likely the
> result of complaints of actual interference from other licensees and
> coordinators.  Most PCNs today are expedited to 10-business days or so
> which is usually much less time than ordering and shipping of equipment.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>
>
>
> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> It does not take that long to get a license.
>
>
>
> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
> be had.
>
>
>
> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
> radios and antennas.
>
>
>
> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
> takes to aim them.
>
>
>
> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>
> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>
> Then file with the FCC.
>
> Then install and aim and operate.
>
>
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> filed or approved?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>
> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Hardy, Tim 
30 days is specified in 101.103, but as mentioned – most PCNs today are 
expedited to 10-business days.  If it’s a dire emergency – life and limb, 
public safety or restoration of service, the FCC allows STAs (Special Temporary 
Authority).  These can be granted immediately by email but must be followed up 
with formal applications and fees.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim 
<tha...@comsearch.com<mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>> wrote:
There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
[http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Josh Luthman 
Can't you do a rush file or something like that?  7 or 14 days?

Is 30 days really not enough for you?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Hardy, Tim 
Filed and only then if in a frequency and area where Conditional Authorization 
is allowed.  There are some areas / bands that are designated quiet zones.  
Denver, DC, Santa Monica at 18 GHz, all bands around Green Bank, WV, etc.  If 
you’re not in one of these areas and the stations are not within 56 kilometers 
of an international border you should be eligible for Conditional Authorization 
which will allow you to operate legally as soon as the applications have been 
filed and pending formal FCC license grant.

I would add to Chuck’s comments a word of caution.  If your coordinator has to 
make changes to the initial coordination (reducing power, changing frequencies, 
etc.) this is strong indication that the proposal wasn’t properly engineered in 
the first place and the changes were likely the result of complaints of actual 
interference from other licensees and coordinators.  Most PCNs today are 
expedited to 10-business days or so which is usually much less time than 
ordering and shipping of equipment.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone 
for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill 
just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.

I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
It does not take that long to get a license.

The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to be 
had.

Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.

I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN clearance as 
the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of harming 
someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes to aim 
them.

The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.
Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
Then file with the FCC.
Then install and aim and operate.

From: Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim 
<tha...@comsearch.com<mailto:tha...@comsearch.com>> wrote:
There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?


-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/>
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<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

From: "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza 
wow, Chuck is the lenient parent and I am the strict one..   a distortion
in the time continuum must be the culprit.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:35 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I might bend it a bit.
>
> Say is was perhaps a 5 mile 18 GHz link, and the Mimosa fancy “who is on
> the air”  tool shows nobody in this area on 18 GHz I don’t think I would
> feel too guilty.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:32 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the
> labels off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my
> house; well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house,
> and we see them everyday, but not coming after me!!
>
> all kidding aside, its a Bozo NoNo to fire up without the approval.
> Listen to the angel's voice today...
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390 <(915)%20861-1390>
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
>> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
>> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>>
>> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It does not take that long to get a license.
>>>
>>> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair
>>> to be had.
>>>
>>> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order
>>> the radios and antennas.
>>>
>>> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
>>> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
>>> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
>>> takes to aim them.
>>>
>>> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
>>> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>>> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>>> Then file with the FCC.
>>> Then install and aim and operate.
>>>
>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>
>>> filed or approved?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed
>>>> – period.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>>
>>>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>>>> without likely being caught.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>>>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>>>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck 
I might bend it a bit.  

Say is was perhaps a 5 mile 18 GHz link, and the Mimosa fancy “who is on the 
air”  tool shows nobody in this area on 18 GHz I don’t think I would feel too 
guilty.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:32 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the labels 
off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my house; 
well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house, and we see 
them everyday, but not coming after me!! 

all kidding aside, its a Bozo NoNo to fire up without the approval.  Listen to 
the angel's voice today...

Jaime Solorza 
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

  we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be gone 
for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing else ill 
just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in. 

  I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient

  On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

It does not take that long to get a license.  

The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to 
be had.  

Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.

I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN 
clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of 
harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes 
to aim them.  

The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.
Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  
Then file with the FCC.  
Then install and aim and operate.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

  There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.



  If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, 
but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jaime Solorza 
Hey Steve, in my rebellious days, I went against The Man and tore the
labels off my sofa and mattresses.No black helicopters hovering over my
house; well not quite true, the border is less than a mile from mu house,
and we see them everyday, but not coming after me!!

all kidding aside, its a Bozo NoNo to fire up without the approval.  Listen
to the angel's voice today...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:16 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
> gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
> else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.
>
> I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> It does not take that long to get a license.
>>
>> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
>> be had.
>>
>> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
>> radios and antennas.
>>
>> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
>> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
>> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
>> takes to aim them.
>>
>> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
>> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
>> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
>> Then file with the FCC.
>> Then install and aim and operate.
>>
>> *From:* Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>> filed or approved?
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed
>>> – period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>>
>>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>>> without likely being caught.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones 
we have the radios and the expedited coordination is in process. Ill be
gone for a week but want to knock it out as soon as possible. If nothing
else ill just set the AZ/EL on them and wait to plug them in.

I was hoping there was a backdoor thats legal, but i can be patient

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:22 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It does not take that long to get a license.
>
> The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to
> be had.
>
> Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the
> radios and antennas.
>
> I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN
> clearance as the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance
> of harming someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it
> takes to aim them.
>
> The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the
> 30 days to respond to the PCN stuff.
> Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.
> Then file with the FCC.
> Then install and aim and operate.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> filed or approved?
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:
>
>> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
>> period.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>>
>>
>> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>>
>> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
>> without likely being caught.
>>
>>
>>
>> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
>> can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
>> point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread chuck 
It does not take that long to get a license.  

The frequency coordinator can clear a pair in a day if there is a pair to be 
had.  

Once they find you some freqs, if you are on a short time line, order the 
radios and antennas.

I would risk firing them up and aiming them before you get the PCN clearance as 
the frequency coordinators are pretty danged good.  Low chance of harming 
someone else.  I would not leave them on for any longer than it takes to aim 
them.  

The absolutely safe way of doing it is to give the rest of the world the 30 
days to respond to the PCN stuff.
Then if no objections buy the radios and antennas.  
Then file with the FCC.  
Then install and aim and operate.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:10 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

  There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval



  Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
  Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

  Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.



  If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Jeff Evans 
Not worth the risk of the fine or reputation building for others who are doing 
it correctly.  Don't give the FCC a reason to Target WISPS.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Steve Jones  
Date: 8/8/17  11:46 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 
installing licensed link before approval 
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.
If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Steve Jones 
filed or approved?

On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 11:01 AM, Hardy, Tim <tha...@comsearch.com> wrote:

> There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed –
> period.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
>
>
> Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
>
> Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
> without likely being caught.
>
>
>
> If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can
> physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point,
> but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Mike Hammett 
So then coordinate, file, build? It doesn't seem like a big step to file the 
application immediately after the PCN period is up and then build. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Tim Hardy" <tha...@comsearch.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 11:01:06 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 



There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period. 



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 


Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught. 



If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Hardy, Tim 
There is no authority to operate until the applications have been filed – 
period.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 11:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say?


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From: "Steve Jones" 
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com<mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval
Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Mike Hammett 
Has the PCN passed with no objections? What does your coordinator say? 




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From: "Steve Jones"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 10:46:37 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval 


Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it without 
likely being caught. 


If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we can 
physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that point, but 
can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Adam Moffett 

I'm sure you wouldn't be the first one.


-- Original Message --
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 8/8/2017 11:46:37 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it 
without likely being caught.


If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we 
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that 
point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?

Re: [AFMUG] installing licensed link before approval

2017-08-08 Thread Matt Hoppes 

Why did you ask this question?

Of course not...

Now... go and do what seems right.

On 8/8/17 11:46 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Im pretty sure the answer is an absolute no, and I know I CAN do it
without likely being caught.

If we have the gear on hand and are just waiting on the FCC, I know we
can physically install the radios, its just storage at height at that
point, but can we turn it on long enough to do fine alignment?