Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

: www.towercoverage.com Office: 314-735-0270 E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

t; >> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 7:31:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz >> >> True, until you realize you can only put 8 or 16 customers on an AP. Their >&g

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

; > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, September 11, 2017 7:31:25 PM > *Subj

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

ay, September 11, 2017 7:31:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz True, until you realize you can only put 8 or 16 customers on an AP. Their pricing isn’t terrible, and I’m going to be buying at least some Ignitenet for this project. I was just hoping for some less expensive stuff I can us

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

for over $10k and IgniteNet is 1/10th >>> of that. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>> >>> The Brothers WISP &

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the Ignitenet radios. I’m not running fiber, which is also cost

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

e.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, September 11, 2017 5:55:42 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz > > I’m not sure why that

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

witter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Brett A Mansfield" <

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

rs WISP > > > > > From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:55:42 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz > > I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the > Ignitenet radios. I

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

- From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:55:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz I’m not sure why that is funny. The average CPE cost is much less than the Ignitenet radios. I’m not running fiber, which is also

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

om Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:24:23 PM Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for some good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I need a

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

gt; wrote: > > Ignitenet is cost prohibitive? LOL > > Chris Wright > Network Administrator > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

Ignitenet is cost prohibitive? LOL Chris Wright Network Administrator -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 3:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz

[AFMUG] 60GHz

Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for some good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost prohibitive. I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I need a couple hundred radios. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

is that in a lot of cities, half the folks >>>>> don't have broadband at home. Wi-Fi service could be the economical >>>>> solution. :-) >>>>> >>>>> 60GHz is for achieving gigabit levels of service. >>>>> >>>&g

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

;> >>>> 60GHz is for achieving gigabit levels of service. >>>> >>>> Hal >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:54 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What is this angie

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

ving gigabit levels of service. >>> >>> Hal >>> >>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 11:54 AM Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet >>>> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

on behalf of Harold Bledsoe < >>> hbledso...@gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

<g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet >>>> >>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe < >>>> hbledso...@gmail.com> >>>> R

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

wrote: >> >>> What is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe < >>> hbledso...@gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> D

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

t is this angie thing… can’t wrap my head around it yet >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe < >>> hbledso...@gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Tuesday, May 9,

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

’t wrap my head around it yet >> >> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe < >> hbledso...@gmail.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM >> To: "af@afmug.com&

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

com> wrote: > That is for certain, gotta use exotic substrates. Not sure even teflon is > good at that freq. > > *From:* Harold Bledsoe > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 09, 2017 1:37 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? > Yep

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

That is for certain, gotta use exotic substrates. Not sure even teflon is good at that freq. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 1:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? Yep and also the materials matter a lot. No FR4

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

om: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Harold Bledsoe < > hbledso...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Does

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

17 7:39 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? > I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of > complicated compared to other bands. Until recently 60ghz antennas where > built SOC style, directly on the PCB

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

mug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? Hey Sterling, No worries, we will have 15 CPE per s

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

mug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 at 8:00 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? Hey Sterling, No worries, we will have 15 CPE per s

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

All antenna designs scale. Things are just much smaller at this frequency. From: Joe Novak Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? I have read that building a 60ghz antenna is a whole new ball game of complicated

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? Lots. Lots of places. I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very easily. What costs me is

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

un...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince > Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? > > The top reasons that come to mind right away are: > > (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go ve

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

gt;> probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where I'm >>> sitting. >>> >>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I concur >>>> >>>

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

t;> >>>> Indeed... don't underestimate what can be done with a 2000' range. I >>>> can probably cover a hundred houses with that from the tower next to where >>>> I'm sitting. >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villa

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

rom: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');>> on behalf of >>>> Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net >>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sterl...@avative.net');>> >>>> Reply-To: "af

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson < >>> sterl...@avative.net> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Subject

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

gt;>>> I'm sitting. >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I concur >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Af &l

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

te: >> >>> I concur >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson < >>> sterl...@avative.net> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 P

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

t to where I'm >> sitting. >> >> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I concur >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson < >>> sterl...@avativ

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

>>> sitting. >>> >>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> I concur >>>> >>>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson >>>&

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

> >> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson < >> sterl...@avative.net> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net <mailto:sterl...@avative.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM To: "af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

mug.com> on behalf of Sterling Jacobson < > sterl...@avative.net> > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Date: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

te: Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:31 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? Lots. Lots of places. I’ve got, and can get fiber up main roads in neighborhoods very easily. Wh

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

1000 to 2000 ft distance is really optimistic for PtMP in 60 GHz even... With FCC EIRP limits for 60 GHz PTP the longest it's good for around here is 600 meters. A little bit more out to 800-900m with the weird Bridgewave 60 GHz product that combines regular maximum Tx power but uses a 60 cm dish

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

Prince Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 2:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? The top reasons that come to mind right away are: (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in a PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

How many places do you want to install a PtMP system that goes a maximum of 1000-2000ft distance, that fiber does not work? On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > What am I missing here? > > Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

favorite deity or demigod here) to depart or I will set ye on FIRE!" And then hit them with the signal. -Original Message- From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 2:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? The top reasons that com

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

The top reasons that come to mind right away are: (1) Range. How close can you tolerate? It's not going to go very far in a PMP environment. Maybe a few hundred yards. If there are trees, forget about it. (2) Modulation. Don't expect something in that frequency to be doing higher level

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? But all of that is in the second half of the radio. From the ethernet port to the modulation demodulation systems it should be the same as other radios. And if they use robust modultion, you could just transvert an old

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

guessing ROI bashfulness. Who wants to invest in this band until we have real world users evangelizing for the band. I am a skeptic. But I have been proven wrong many times before. From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 2:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

The atmospheric characteristics of 60 GHz are radically different. Antenna design is very different due to frequency for anything resembling a "sector". Unless you want PtMP that's only good within 250 meters... More challenging than you might think. A lot of the work that has been done over the

Re: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

Has any of these been deployed, in an area with real seasons for a full year yet? -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 2:05 PM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It? What am I missing here? Can't Cambium

[AFMUG] 60Ghz PtMP, Why Doesn't Everyone Have It?

What am I missing here? Can't Cambium and UBNT and others simply overlay the same radio architecture/software they have developed over a decade, on top of a 60GHz radio instead of 5Ghz? Is there some fundamental problem with using the same PHY later protocols on 60GHz vs 5GHz?

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

Im trying to avoid expensive licensed links. My customer base is too small for now. If I have to spend money on licensed links for such a small area it wouldn't be much more to just run my own fiber. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:42 AM, Josh Luthman

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

LOL, so true. Regards, Chuck On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: You never regret running fiber. *From:* Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:45 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Im trying

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

The range severely drops when you're getting more beamwidth and sacrificing forward gain. Have you looked at 28 GHz from CTI? I think that sounds like an ideal solution for you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015

[AFMUG] 60GHz

Anyone know if there is any 60GHz PTMP solution out there yet? All of my towers cover less than half a mile so short range 60GHz would be ideal for me. I am competing with fiber and would like to offer similar speeds. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield Silver Lake Internet

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

You never regret running fiber. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Im trying to avoid expensive licensed links. My customer base is too small for now. If I have to spend money on licensed links for such a small area

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz The range severely drops when you're getting more beamwidth and sacrificing forward gain. Have you looked at 28 GHz from CTI? I think that sounds like an ideal solution for you. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

cost of materials can be around $1/foot plus the cost of trenching. How far do you have to go? From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Seems like running fiber might be the best way. I was just hoping there was a good wireless

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

on. Then there was the ultraviolet light system that required reflection from airborne dust particles. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:42 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz The range severely drops when you're getting more beamwidth and sacrificing

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

cost of materials can be around $1/foot plus the cost of trenching. How far do you have to go? From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 9:10 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Seems like running fiber might be the best way. I was just hoping there was a good

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Its PTMP, so if I run fiber it would be to the home. In the neighborhood I'm in it's about 400 homes right now. They are on phase 2 of 9. The next 2 phases are high density housing and then the rest are homes to total about 2400 homes. Laying fiber will be easy