Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

No Facebook here... On Oct 12, 2016 9:22 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Look at the TBW FB page. ;-) > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > >

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Got a Link? Can’t seem to find it? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights Look at the TBW FB page. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp/ On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > Got a Link? Can’t seem to find it? > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [

[AFMUG] Syncbox Junior Aux Port Version

Is there a shipping date yet? http://store.packetflux.com/syncbox-junior-aux-port-version/ Also, any time frame on the 1u syncinjector?

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

I saw a graph of social media usage by age recently, and Jaime is almost old enough for Facebook now. I think they send you a FB invitation along with your AARP invite now. Yeah, even your mom is on Instagram and Snapchat now, it’s your grandma who’s on Facebook. From: Af [mailto:af-

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

With that tree scenario, do you still feel you’re protected from interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band, will you be screwed with those signal levels? In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees will probably block most interference,

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

On 10/13/16 6:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: With that tree scenario, do you still feel you’re protected from interference in unlicensed spectrum, or if others start using the band, will you be screwed with those signal levels? In a situation where the customer is buried in trees, I figure the trees

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

So, has Cambium showed off the supposed new interface for ePMP? I thought I heard something dynamic was coming with 3.1 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights I saw a g

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Will hit 61 in November On Oct 13, 2016 7:41 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > I saw a graph of social media usage by age recently, and Jaime is almost > old enough for Facebook now. I think they send you a FB invitation along > with your AARP invite now. > > > > Yeah, even your mom is on Instagram and

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

It's in almost every e-mail I send. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Paul McCall" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 7:46:21 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

I see it so often, I think I just ignored all that ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:07 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights It's in almost every e-mail I send. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent C

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money and pay less tax. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:45 PM Jon Langeler wrote: > Thanks for the tips! AAPL may be a good buy right now but not a steal > > Jon Langeler > Michwave Technologies, Inc. > > > > On Oct 12, 2016, at 12:07 PM

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel On my original post, going through each customer, there was a marked increase in usage overall, people coming in as it got cold, that combined with the increased noise floor (cooler weather, corn buffer being gone) and whatever was

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

Or don’t donate anything, and pay no tax! Sorry, I know this is a non political thread (unless you view Apple vs Android as a political culture war). But I am struck that it was a scandal that Mitt Romney only paid 14% income tax, giving him no credit for tithing to his church (and don’t forge

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

Just don't play that song. bp On 10/13/2016 8:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Meanwhile, I’ve got an old vehicle to donate, and am wondering if those cars-for-kids deals are for real or just scams.

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

I remember in my area Rise registered hundreds and hundreds of bogus 3.65 APs right before the FCC deadline. I don’t know if that was just here or nationwide. If they are expecting to roll out 3.65 LTE up here, they are in for a surprise, there is significant 3.65 already deployed in both l

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

I got a WISPAPALOOZA related email from a TVWS vendor I’d never heard of before. Still didn’t pique my interest. I think TVWS is now at best a niche solution, maybe for monitoring “things” in remote areas. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Th

[AFMUG] reselling SIP

We resell some SIP trunks with PBX we install on our contract services side. We are not the SIP provider in any way, but we do get paid. if its traversing our ISP network does that technically make us a voice provider, or are we still able to hide out as an ISP -- If you only see yourself as part

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

On 10/13/16 07:49, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: is TVWS still a thing? I thought it was hanging out with the Edsel Maybe. There's at least two vendors with TVWS gear at wispapalooza. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

Theres probably a homeless guy in the back end of the abandoned building i work in selling crack, I dont know that that means its actually a viable alternative to my coffee On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 10/13/16 07:49, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: > >> is TVWS still

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

On 10/13/16 08:11, Ken Hohhof wrote: I got a WISPAPALOOZA related email from a TVWS vendor I’d never heard of before. Still didn’t pique my interest. I think TVWS is now at best a niche solution, maybe for monitoring “things” in remote areas. I see it as something like if your options for in

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

IANAL, but I believe the deciding factor is who bills the customer for the voice services. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:29 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] reselling SIP We resell some SIP trunks with P

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

The objection to something like Exede satellite (other than a few areas with no spot beams) is if I stream more than a couple movies per week, I go over my data cap unless I watch in the middle of the night. Can you really say TVWS solves that problem? Especially since satellite will probably

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

You're sitting in a chair... in the sky. bp On 10/13/2016 8:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The objection to something like Exede satellite (other than a few areas with no spot beams) is if I stream more than a couple movies per week, I go over my data cap unless I watch in the middle of the night

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

Something like that. IANAL either, but I think there are still lots of people flying under the radar on this issue. If the underlying carrier is doing the taxes and USF and such then there might not be any red flag there where somebody would notice. That doesn't mean your compliant with the

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have to pay some fees like TRS and NANP. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:16 AM T

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

One of the providers bills the customer directly, we just get commission, I assume that leaves us free of the potential issue? On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like > CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plu

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

Note, Ive never looked directly at our reseller agreements terms and conditions, it could be legally wrangled in our favor already, but I cant see any reason for a provider to blanket us On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:28 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > One of the provi

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

For a non-facilities based provider? IANAL either, but that doesn't sound right I don't think. On Oct 13, 2016 11:23 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > You still have to file a bunch of paperwork and are subject to rules like > CPNI and possibly outage reporting, plus surprise surprise, you still have >

Re: [AFMUG] reselling SIP

So you mean like Vonage? That would get you out of filing 477 but not 499, and once you start filing 499, you will get assessed TRS and NANP fees, unless there’s a way to get exempted from that. Yes you can probably fly under the radar, but I get scared that FCC will decide to fine us $25K

Re: [AFMUG] Powercode and Procera Bring Game Changing DPI Solution

On Oct 13, 2016 10:53 AM, "Powercode Sales Team" wrote: > Not rendering correctly? View this email as a web page here >

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

LOL, enjoy it, my dad was 89 in June and still can run me ragged... -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Thu October 13 2016 13:25, Paul McCall wrote: > Love it ! My dad used to ride Jetskis with me into his late 70’s. Good > times > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That On

[AFMUG] Small Outdoor Rack Enclosure

Does anyone know of a small outdoor enclosure that will hold a few Mikrotik CRS's? Smaller and more lite weight the better.

Re: [AFMUG] Small Outdoor Rack Enclosure

Tupperware?. Ducking I did see switch in Tupperware container at a reservation On Oct 13, 2016 2:46 PM, "Matt" wrote: > Does anyone know of a small outdoor enclosure that will hold a few > Mikrotik CRS's? Smaller and more lite weight the better. >

Re: [AFMUG] i need an adult

We tried out our Telrad LTE the other day. LOS from 4 miles was -88dbm RSRP (which would be similar to -57 RSSI). Naturally we maxed out the speed at that spot. The guy moved a hundred yards or so to intentionally put some woods in the way. Through about a hundred foot thick stand of trees

Re: [AFMUG] Syncbox Junior Aux Port Version

Aux port: 95% sure this coming week. Would have been late last week or early this week except for wispapalooza prep and attendance. The 5% is the likelihood that something unexpected in manufacturing causes a schedule slip. Rackmount: Decemberish. I have functional devices, and have the firs

Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL

My church only takes dollars... From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: AAPL I use this tax strategy years ago and it enabled me to donate more money and pay less tax. On Wed, O

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

I whipped my largest/beefiest son (26 years old) in arm wrestling a week ago. It was a bit of a pyrrhic victory. (look it up) (arm/shoulder hurt for days afterwards) -Original Message- From: Larry Smith Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

Really.. ?? We have to explain Pyrrhic victory to these guys.. They are a bright bunch On Oct 13, 2016 6:24 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I whipped my largest/beefiest son (26 years old) in arm wrestling a week > ago. It was a bit of a pyrrhic victory. (look it up) (arm/shoulder hurt > for day

Re: [AFMUG] Working with the old man

Ive always said every old man has one ass whoopin left in him, never knew it was called a pyrrhic victory. My nephew was about 17 a few years when he decides he could fight my brother, my brother apparently wasnt old enough to have that aswhoopin in his store and had to tap my dad in while he took

Re: [AFMUG] Syncbox Junior Aux Port Version

Yay, Christmas presents! On 10/13/2016 5:56 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: Aux port: 95% sure this coming week. Would have been late last week or early this week except for wispapalooza prep and attendance. The 5% is the likelihood that something unexpected in manufacturing ca

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use it though because the adapter to connect the N connectors to the existing dishes out there isn't going to be here for a while, so we'll have $6000 link (with FCC fees) sitting on the bench and waiting on a $200 part to be abl

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Also as the industry keeps getting bigger with things like WISP-PAC and stuff there are more and more attorneys showing up and being needed for various parts of running your business, filling out FCC forms, etc. I am proposing that these attorneys should only be allowed to charge hourly rates based

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

They have been working for awhile with various vendors to have different mounting options. Not sure when each will be released though. On Oct 13, 2016 9:20 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" wrote: > Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use > it though because the adapter to

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

A $6000 link? I thought the AF11x was like $750-1k/side? What kind of dishes are you planning on using? On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Airfiber 11ghz will be shipping soon, sounds like you wont be able to use > it though because the adapter to connect the N connecto

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

If the radios are $1500 for a pair... Ultra high performance 4' 11 GHz dual polarity dishes are easily more than $2000 a piece with shipping. Plus FCC frequency coordination costs & FCC fees. Plus surge protection, cables, and cost of labor/climbing to mount dishes. And that's not even conside

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Why would you choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes. That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 10:53 PM To: af@afmu

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

I wouldn't, but some people will. Installing and aiming a pair of 4' or 6' dishes is the expensive part, but the dishes can be good for 20 years. Radios can always be upgraded. Even a pair of $1300 dishes + $1500 of radios + FCC coordination + misc parts + climbing/mount expenses will easily bring

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

o youre gonna get an offlist from ubnt now pal On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Why would you choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes. > That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut > butter and jelly sandwich. > > > > > > *Fr

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

ha...Going to get it on the list... ;) In all seriousness, look forward to hearing some results from the field with these guys outside of just beta customers ;) On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:08 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > o youre gonna get an offlist from ubn

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Exactly what I was thinking.. On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Why would you choose those radios to use with $6600 worth of dishes. > That seems like opening an expensive bottle of wine to drink with a peanut > butter and jelly sandwich. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-bo

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Hey, I buy airFibers, and I eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. But the proper beverage with a PB&J is milk. With pizza, beer. And a fine wine goes with SpaghettiOs. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 11:08 PM T

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

If I remember correctly, our Mimosa B11 links worked out to just over $6k, including everything (using 2' dishes)... since these radios are about $1k cheaper per radio, I would guess the typical link won't be much over $4k. On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > If the radios ar

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

mmm...PB&J with a glass of milk sounds very, very good right now... On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 10:16 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Hey, I buy airFibers, and I eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. But > the proper beverage with a PB&J is milk. With pizza, beer. And a fine > wine goes with SpaghettiO

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza highlights

Some will use this as an upgrade to their existing 11GHz links and say, radiowaves dishes they already have mounted. I believe the FCC site had a couple of dish models and vendors the radio was working with... On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 11:07 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote: > I wouldn't, but some people wil

[AFMUG] PTP450 and PMP450 for 900mhz

Is it possible to GPS sync them perfectly or is this something to avoid? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.