Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

Company I doing work for is Dragonwave dealer

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 5:28 PM, "SmarterBroadband"  wrote:

> Dragonwave-X Harmony Enhanced HP.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 2:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
>
>
> Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz
> radios would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios.
>
>
>
> -
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>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 9:33:50 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from
> CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles
> ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a
> sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and
> want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more
> CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys
> would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in
> eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your
> suggestions?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[SmarterBroadband]

Dragonwave-X Harmony Enhanced HP. 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

 

Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz radios 
would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios.



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From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:33:50 AM
Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from 
CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) 
from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored 
antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 
1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to 
provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys would recommend?  I know 
it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they 
have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? 

Jaime Solorza

 

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

Two years ago

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 4:28 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Artesia area.. I installed bunch on Siklu links along with a few 3.65
> Ubiquiti radios
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 11:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>>
>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and
>>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>>
>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you
>>> have a few more options
>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>>
>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> Best of luck.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>>
>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at
>>>>>>> three locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. 
>>>>>>>  If
>>>>>>> they can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything
>>>>>>> together on a VLAN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to
>>>>>>>> office from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 
>>>>>>>> 6.2
>>>>>>>> and 9.1 miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span 
>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>> was using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want 
>>>>>>>> licensed
>>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

Artesia area.. I installed bunch on Siklu links along with a few 3.65
Ubiquiti radios

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 11:11 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>
>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will
>> be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>
>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have
>> a few more options
>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>
>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>> needed.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>
>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>
>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>>>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything 
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> on a VLAN.
>>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
>>>>>>> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 
>>>>>>> 9.1
>>>>>>> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
>>>>>>> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
>>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Mike Hammett]

Someone (I forget who) was claiming their high power (34 dBm) 18 GHz radios 
would reach just as far as many 11 GHz radios. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 9:33:50 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Question for the collective... 


Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from 
CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) 
from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored 
antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 
1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to 
provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's 
a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they have good 
budget , dazzle me with your suggestions? 


Jaime Solorza 

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Steve Jones]

around that without antennas
SAF changed their distribution model at the beginning of the year though

Im a SAF fan, i love it, i want to marry it and sleep with it in my bed,
other than Mimosa, which is like UBNT non Airfiber line quality, SAF is all
ive messed with in licensed, but its been solid

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:14 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around
> $20k?
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex
>> and no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you
>> can get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna
>> footprints, the money, the channels, the money
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell
>>> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE
>>> deployments.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>>
>>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>>>
>>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>>>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain
>>>> fade)
>>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and
>>>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>>>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>>>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>>>
>>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you
>>>> have a few more options
>>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>>>
>>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>>>> needed.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>>>
>>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right
>>>>> into the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at
>>>>> office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>>>>> h

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Mathew Howard]

That's definitely an interesting looking radio... it'll be interesting to
see how they price it. Considering some of the recent specials Bridgewave
has been running on their e-band radios, I wouldn't be surprised if it was
"disruptive".

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:22 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> I am waiting to see how the new Bridgewave company prices the Navigator
> Radio
>
> That is going to be one slick puppy.. and let's hope it is going to be
> priced 'disruptively' !
>
> https://bridgewave.com/navigator/
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ------
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 4:14:19 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
> What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around
> $20k?
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex
>> and no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you
>> can get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna
>> footprints, the money, the channels, the money
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell
>>> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE
>>> deployments.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>>
>>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>>>
>>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>>>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain
>>>> fade)
>>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and
>>>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>>>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>>>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>>>
>>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you
>>>> have a few more options
>>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>>>
>>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>>>> needed.
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck.
>>>>
>>>> Regards.
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>>>
>>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right
>>>>> into the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Dave]

Cambium networks PTP820C
I recently certified on it in October.


On 02/23/2018 11:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Not familiar with this productwill download specs

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" > wrote:


Bang it out with PTP820C ring
Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right
into the ODU if you go all outdoor.
They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.



On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at
office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:

If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every
location in a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic
(your preference) and you have a redundant setup.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give
them a gig at three locations.  ISPs are not
eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they can
get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie
everything together on a VLAN.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Going to have a meeting with company that has a
1GBps feed to office from CenturyLink.   They
have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60
degree span if I was using a sectored antenna. 
On email, they indicated they want licensed links
and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not
sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to
provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you
guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy
company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern  NM. 
Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
your suggestions?

Jaime Solorza



-- 



--

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[chuck]

+1, never had a problem with 7 miles at 18 GHz.  Even stretched a few to 9 
without big problems (minor rain fade during storms).  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get 11GHz.  

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

 

For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 
with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) 
 They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup 
in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna.  The backup radio plugs into the 
Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't need to do that in routing 
etc.  

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going 
to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 
gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really 
need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then it can be done a 
lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio on a single 80mhz 
channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively cheap.

The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't 
matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and it 
would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would even be 
possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even if the 
entire band is completely clear...

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  
wrote:

so.. here is how things will break down for you 

 

to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..

60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)

or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)

11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be 
looking at roughly $15k / link

 ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to 
$15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new 
radios).

 

Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few 
more options

which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link

 

Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed.

 

Best of luck.

 

Regards.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

 




  From: "Jaime Solorza" 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

  Not familiar with this productwill download specs

  Jaime Solorza

   

  On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

Bang it out with PTP820C ring 
Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the 
ODU if you go all outdoor. 
They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.




On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

  That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I 
wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully? 

  Jaime Solorza

   

  On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

  If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring 
topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a 
redundant setup.

   

  On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:

I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

 

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

  CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three 
locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they can 
get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together on a 
VLAN.

  On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office 
from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 
miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a 
sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want 
to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink 
feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys would recommend?  I 
know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit i

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I am waiting to see how the new Bridgewave company prices the Navigator Radio 

That is going to be one slick puppy.. and let's hope it is going to be priced 
'disruptively' ! 

https://bridgewave.com/navigator/ 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:14:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

> What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around $20k?

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

>> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and no
>> latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can get
>> aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna 
>> footprints,
>> the money, the channels, the money

>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>> wrote:

>>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's 
>>> have
>>> been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments.

>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>>> From: "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com >
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

>>>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.

>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
>>>> wrote:

>>>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 

>>>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>>>>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links)
>>>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>>>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at 
>>>>> roughly
>>>>> $15k / link
>>>>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in 
>>>>> depending
>>>>> on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios).

>>>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have 
>>>>> a few
>>>>> more options
>>>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link

>>>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is 
>>>>> needed.

>>>>> Best of luck.

>>>>> Regards.

>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>>>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>>>>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

>>>>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs

>>>>>> Jaime Solorza

>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>>>>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>>>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into 
>>>>>>> the ODU
>>>>>>> if you go all outdoor.
>>>>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.

>>>>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

>>>>>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at 
>>>>>>>> office...I wonder
>>>>>>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?

>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza

>>>>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a 
>>>>>>>>> ring
>>>>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Lewis Bergman]

I'll bet in that micro climate 18G wouldn't work any better at 7 miles than
it would here. I can't get anything reliable over 4.5 miles here on 18G.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:29 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get
> 11GHz.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
>
>
> For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu
> EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but
> its cheap)  They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were
> doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna.  The backup
> radio plugs into the Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't
> need to do that in routing etc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
> Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's
> going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the
> existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably
> doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then
> it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio
> on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively
> cheap.
>
> The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't
> matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and
> it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would
> even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even
> if the entire band is completely clear...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>
>
>
> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>
> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>
> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>
> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will
> be looking at roughly $15k / link
>
>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
> Bridgewave's new radios).
>
>
>
> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have
> a few more options
>
> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>
>
>
> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
> needed.
>
>
>
> Best of luck.
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>
> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>
>
> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
> redundant setup.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
> on a VLAN.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps fee

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Mathew Howard]

What did that Integra link end up costing? I'm guessing somewhere around
$20k?

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and
> no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can
> get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna
> footprints, the money, the channels, the money
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell
>> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE
>> deployments.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> ------
>>
>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>
>> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>>
>>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and
>>> will be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>>
>>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you
>>> have a few more options
>>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>>
>>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>>> needed.
>>>
>>> Best of luck.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>>
>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at
>>>>>>> three locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. 
>>>>>>>  If
>>>>>>> they can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything
>>>>>>> together on a VLAN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to
>>>>>>>> office from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 
>>>>>>>> 6.2
>>>>>>>> and 9.1 miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span 
>>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>>> was using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want 
>>>>>>>> licensed
>>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me 
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Steve Jones]

fyi, im bench satisfied with saf integra ws 2+0, 11ghz, 1.2gbps duplex and
no latency, thats 4 radios 80mhz channel sets, mix 11ghz and 6ghz you can
get aggregate rates if they have the money, the multiple radio/antenna
footprints, the money, the channels, the money

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell
> Co's have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE
> deployments.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>
>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will
>> be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>
>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have
>> a few more options
>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>
>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>> needed.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>
>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>
>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>>>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything 
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> on a VLAN.
>>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
>>>>>>> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 
>>>>>>> 9.1
>>>>>>> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
>>>>>>> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
>>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

I am not sure where is the location.. but don't be surprised, the Cell Co's 
have been chewing up licensed spectrum like crazy with their LTE deployments. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Lewis Bergman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

> I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 

>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>> 60ghz or 80ghz (very short links)
>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at 
>> roughly
>> $15k / link
>> ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in 
>> depending
>> on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios).

>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a 
>> few
>> more options
>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link

>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is 
>> needed.

>> Best of luck.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
>>> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

>>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs

>>> Jaime Solorza

>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into 
>>>> the ODU
>>>> if you go all outdoor.
>>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.

>>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

>>>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I 
>>>>> wonder
>>>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?

>>>>> Jaime Solorza

>>>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
>>>>>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you 
>>>>>> have a
>>>>>> redundant setup.

>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > 
>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three 
>>>>>>>> locations.
>>>>>>>> ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a 
>>>>>>>> VLAN.

>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < 
>>>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>>>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office 
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 
>>>>>>>>> miles )
>>>>>>>>> from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a 
>>>>>>>>> sectored
>>>>>>>>> antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want 
>>>>>>>>> to deliver
>>>>>>>>> 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink 
>>>>>>>>> feeds to
>>>>>>>>> provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I 
>>>>>>>>> know it's
>>>>>>>>> a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they 
>>>>>>>>> have good
>>>>>>>>> budget , dazzle me with your suggestions?

>>>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza

>>>> --

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Rory Conaway]

I would do all the shots less than 7 miles in 18GHz if you can’t get 11GHz.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu EX2500 
with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but its cheap) 
 They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were doing the backup 
in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna.  The backup radio plugs into the 
Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't need to do that in routing 
etc.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's going 
to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the existing 1 
gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably doesn't really 
need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then it can be done a 
lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio on a single 80mhz 
channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively cheap.
The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't 
matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and it 
would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would even be 
possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even if the 
entire band is completely clear...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
so.. here is how things will break down for you 

to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be 
looking at roughly $15k / link
 ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to 
$15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new 
radios).

Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few 
more options
which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link

Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed.

Best of luck.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>


From: "Jaime Solorza" 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>
To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
Not familiar with this productwill download specs
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" 
mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> wrote:
Bang it out with PTP820C ring
Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the ODU 
if you go all outdoor.
They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.


On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I wonder 
if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring 
topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a 
redundant setup.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy 
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three 
locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they can 
get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together on a 
VLAN.
On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from 
CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) 
from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a sectored 
antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver 
1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink feeds to 
provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys would recommend?  I know 
it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they 
have good budget , dazzle me with your suggestions?
Jaime Solorza

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--

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Carl Peterson]

For the shorter(4-5 mile) links you could do something like the Siklu
EX2500 with 2' antennas and a hot fall over (This is a licensed feature but
its cheap)  They also have an antenna with integrated 5GHz so if you were
doing the backup in 5GHz you could do it all on one antenna.  The backup
radio plugs into the Siklu and it does the fall over for you so you don't
need to do that in routing etc.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 2:05 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's
> going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the
> existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably
> doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then
> it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio
> on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively
> cheap.
>
> The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't
> matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and
> it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would
> even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even
> if the entire band is completely clear...
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>>
>> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
>> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
>> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
>> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will
>> be looking at roughly $15k / link
>>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
>> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
>> Bridgewave's new radios).
>>
>> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have
>> a few more options
>> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>>
>> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
>> needed.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>>
>> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>>
>>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>>>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If 
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything 
>>>>>> together
>>>>>> on a VLAN.
>>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
>>>>>>> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 
>>>>>>> 9.1
>>>>>>> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
>>>>>>> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
>>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
>>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, if the actual requirements are a full duplex 1 gig link, then it's
going to be expensive. It sounds like this is all going to be sharing the
existing 1 gig fiber that they already have, so I suspect that it probably
doesn't really need to be a full gig everywhere... if that's the case, then
it can be done a lot cheaper, and with a lot less spectrum. An 11ghz radio
on a single 80mhz channel can do over 600Mbps, and can be had relatively
cheap.

The cheapest way to get something that's close enough to a gig that won't
matter to most people would be using B11's, but that's not full duplex, and
it would burn up a LOT of spectrum... actually, I'm not sure if it would
even be possible to run 4 B11 links that close to the same direction, even
if the entire band is completely clear...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>
> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will
> be looking at roughly $15k / link
>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
> Bridgewave's new radios).
>
> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have
> a few more options
> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>
> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
> needed.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --------------
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything 
>>>>> together
>>>>> on a VLAN.
>>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
>>>>>> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 
>>>>>> 9.1
>>>>>> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
>>>>>> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> --
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Lewis Bergman]

I bet he won't have any issues with frequencies where he is.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:04 PM Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> so.. here is how things will break down for you 
>
> to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices..
> 60ghz or 80ghz  (very short links)
> or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade)
> 11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will
> be looking at roughly $15k / link
>  ( the pricing on 1G links in the range of
> $12k to $15k may change in depending on pricing announcement by
> Bridgewave's new radios).
>
> Now if the requirements were say sub 1G  (500meg to 800meg) then you have
> a few more options
> which can be in the range of $3k to $7k  per link
>
> Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is
> needed.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> ------
>
> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
> *To: *"Animal Farm" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...
>
> Not familiar with this productwill download specs
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:
>
>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
>> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
>> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a
>>> ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you
>>> have a redundant setup.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
>>>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything 
>>>>> together
>>>>> on a VLAN.
>>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
>>>>>> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 
>>>>>> 9.1
>>>>>> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
>>>>>> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
>>>>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>>>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder 
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>>>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
>>>>>> your suggestions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>> --
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Faisal Imtiaz]

so.. here is how things will break down for you  

to do 1G duplex links, you have a few choices.. 
60ghz or 80ghz (very short links) 
or you do 24ghz (short to medium, depending on rain fade) 
11ghz or 6ghz.. you need to have freq available, and will be looking at roughly 
$15k / link 
( the pricing on 1G links in the range of $12k to $15k may change in depending 
on pricing announcement by Bridgewave's new radios). 

Now if the requirements were say sub 1G (500meg to 800meg) then you have a few 
more options 
which can be in the range of $3k to $7k per link 

Bigger challenge will be finding enough licensed spectrum to do what is needed. 

Best of luck. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 12:49:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

> Not familiar with this productwill download specs

> Jaime Solorza

> On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave" < dmilho...@wletc.com > wrote:

>> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
>> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into the 
>> ODU
>> if you go all outdoor.
>> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.

>> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

>>> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I 
>>> wonder
>>> if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?

>>> Jaime Solorza

>>> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
>>>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
>>>> redundant setup.

>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote:

>>>>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three 
>>>>>> locations.
>>>>>> ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale. If they can get 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> deal, it would be your best bet. They tie everything together on a VLAN.

>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza < 
>>>>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office 
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> CenturyLink. They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 
>>>>>>> miles )
>>>>>>> from office. All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a 
>>>>>>> sectored
>>>>>>> antenna. On email, they indicated they want licensed links and want to 
>>>>>>> deliver
>>>>>>> 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more CenturyLink 
>>>>>>> feeds to
>>>>>>> provide 1Gig to each site. I wonder what you guys would recommend? I 
>>>>>>> know it's
>>>>>>> a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern NM. Let's say they 
>>>>>>> have good
>>>>>>> budget , dazzle me with your suggestions?

>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza

>> --

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

Not familiar with this productwill download specs

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:56 AM, "Dave"  wrote:

> Bang it out with PTP820C ring
> Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into
> the ODU if you go all outdoor.
> They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.
>
>
>
> On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
> wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
>> redundant setup.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
 locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
 can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
 on a VLAN.

>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what
> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
> your suggestions?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Dave]

Bang it out with PTP820C ring
Most of the switching is now for doing such a thing is built right into 
the ODU if you go all outdoor.

They do make a split unit or an all indoor unit as well.



On 02/23/2018 10:30 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at 
office...I wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?


Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:


If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in
a ring topology. A little routing or switch magic (your
preference) and you have a redundant setup.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a
gig at three locations. ISPs are not eligible, as it no
longer allows resale.  If they can get that deal, it would
be your best bet.  They tie everything together on a VLAN.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps
feed to office from CenturyLink.   They have four
remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles ) from
office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I
was using a sectored antenna.  On email, they
indicated they want licensed links and want to deliver
1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding
more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site. 
I wonder what you guys would recommend? I know it's a
energy company and Pecan farm outfit in eastern  NM. 
Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your
suggestions?

Jaime Solorza



--

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes I am considering that as well...I am getting KMZ files later today

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:38 AM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

That's a good point... there's also potential that you could have even
shorter links between some of the others... like if the 4.1 an 4.4 mile
joints were actually only .3 miles apart, that opens up all sorts of
options.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the
> right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt
> necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities.
> ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you
> in happy antennas
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
>> redundant setup.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
 locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
 can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
 on a VLAN.

>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what
> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
> your suggestions?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Mathew Howard]

That's a good point... there's also potential that you could have even
shorter links between some of the others... like if the 4.1 an 4.4 mile
joints were actually only .3 miles apart, that opens up all sorts of
options.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the
> right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt
> necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities.
> ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you
> in happy antennas
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
>> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
>> redundant setup.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>>
 CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
 locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
 can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
 on a VLAN.

>>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what
> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
> your suggestions?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Steve Jones]

Is this just public connectivity or inner connectivity also? Lewis has the
right idea, inner connect with redundancies, that 9.1 miles isnt
necessarily a 9.1 mile shot if there are midpoint in the other facilities.
ideally it would be 2.9 from the 6.2 joint. staying under 5 miles keeps you
in happy antennas

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:07 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
> redundant setup.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
>>> on a VLAN.
>>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
 from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
 miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
 using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
 links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
 adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what
 you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
 outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
 your suggestions?

 Jaime Solorza

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

That is what I was thinking...4 P2P links and tie them in at office...I
wonder if you could colocate 4 11GHz links successfully?

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 23, 2018 9:07 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
> topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
> redundant setup.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>>
>>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
>>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
>>> on a VLAN.
>>>
>> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza >> > wrote:
>>>
 Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
 from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
 miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
 using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
 links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
 adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what
 you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
 outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
 your suggestions?

 Jaime Solorza

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Lewis Bergman]

If budget isn't a problem, I would put up P2P to every location in a ring
topology. A little routing or switch magic (your preference) and you have a
redundant setup.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 10:03 AM Jeremy  wrote:

> I would assume that you can add a fourth location...
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
>> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
>> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
>> on a VLAN.
>>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office
>>> from CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1
>>> miles ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was
>>> using a sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed
>>> links and want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are
>>> adding more CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what
>>> you guys would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm
>>> outfit in eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with
>>> your suggestions?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jeremy]

I would assume that you can add a fourth location...

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:00 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
> locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
> can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
> on a VLAN.
>
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from
>> CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles
>> ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a
>> sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and
>> want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more
>> CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys
>> would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in
>> eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your
>> suggestions?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jeremy]

CL has an option called Fiber Plus that will give them a gig at three
locations.  ISPs are not eligible, as it no longer allows resale.  If they
can get that deal, it would be your best bet.  They tie everything together
on a VLAN.

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 8:33 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from
> CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles
> ) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a
> sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and
> want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more
> CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys
> would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in
> eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your
> suggestions?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>

[AFMUG] Question for the collective...

[Jaime Solorza]

Going to have a meeting with company that has a 1GBps feed to office from
CenturyLink.   They have four remote locations (4.1, 4.4, 6.2 and 9.1 miles
) from office.   All are west and with a 60 degree span if I was using a
sectored antenna.  On email, they indicated they want licensed links and
want to deliver 1GBps to each location. Not sure if they are adding more
CenturyLink feeds to provide 1Gig to each site.  I wonder what you guys
would recommend?  I know it's a energy company and Pecan farm outfit in
eastern  NM.  Let's say they have good budget , dazzle me with your
suggestions?

Jaime Solorza

[AFMUG] Question for the collective

[Jaime Solorza]

One of my WISP buddies received an email from a wholesale bandwidth
provider called Puro Broadband.  Has anyone ever heard of them or used them
before?  Puro can be as "pure" or "just" or even a good cigar.
Thanks

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390