Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-03 Thread Stephen Reed
? You know these guys. How would YOU play this hand? Any thoughts? Steve Richfield On 12/2/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Richfield said: If I understand you correctly, Cycorp's code should be public domain, and as such, I should be able to simply mine

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-12-02 Thread Stephen Reed
for. It sounds like Cycorp doesn't have a useful product (yet) whereas it looks like I do, so it is probably I who should be doing this, not Cycorp. Any thoughts? Who should I ask for code from? Steve Richfield == On 12/1/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Richfield said

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-11-30 Thread Stephen Reed
AM 11/30/2008, Stephen Reed wrote: Hi Robin, There are no Cyc critiques that I know of in the last few years. I was employed seven years at Cycorp until August 2006 and my non-compete agreement expired a year later. An interesting competition was held by Project Halo in which Cycorp

Re: [agi] Mushed Up Decision Processes

2008-11-30 Thread Stephen Reed
Ben, Cycorp participated in the DARPA Transfer Learning project, as a subcontractor. My project role was simply a team member and I did not attend any PI meetings. But I did work on getting a Quake III Arena environment working at Cycorp which was to be a transfer learning testbed. I also

Re: [agi] Mushed Up Decision Processes

2008-11-30 Thread Stephen Reed
Matt Taylor was also an intern at Cycorp where was on Cycorp's Transfer Learning team with me. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 From:

Re: [agi] Mushed Up Decision Processes

2008-11-30 Thread Stephen Reed
on transfer learning is similar to what Taylor presented to AGI-08? Pei On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Taylor was also an intern at Cycorp where was on Cycorp's Transfer Learning team with me. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence

Re: [agi] Seeking CYC critiques

2008-11-29 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Robin, There are no Cyc critiques that I know of in the last few years. I was employed seven years at Cycorp until August 2006 and my non-compete agreement expired a year later. An interesting competition was held by Project Halo in which Cycorp participated along with two other

Re: [agi] On programming languages

2008-10-24 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Russell, Although I've already chosen an implementation language for my Texai project - Java, I believe that my experience may interest you. As many here already know, Cycorp's implementation language was a lisp subset during the the time I worked there. At Cycorp, I explored creating an

Re: [agi] On programming languages

2008-10-24 Thread Stephen Reed
Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Russell Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:28:39 AM Subject: Re: [agi] On programming languages On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi

Re: [agi] On programming languages

2008-10-24 Thread Stephen Reed
From: Russell Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:01:53 PM Subject: Re: [agi] On programming languages On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Composed statements generate Java statements such as an assignment statement

Re: [agi] On programming languages

2008-10-24 Thread Stephen Reed
* . . . . - Original Message - From: StephenReed To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:55PM Subject: **SPAM** Re: [agi] Onprogramming languages Russellasked: But if it can't read the syntax tree, how willit know what the main body actually does? My line

Re: [agi] On programming languages

2008-10-24 Thread Stephen Reed
, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really. Although the distinguishing feature of a Lisp syntax tree is a nested list, and the fact that my composition framework is also a tree does not make that framework a Lisp family language. What do you see as the most important differences? I'll

Re: [agi] META: A possible re-focusing of this list

2008-10-15 Thread Stephen Reed
I at least glance at all posts but prefer to read, write and otherwise participate in those which: discuss how to design or engineer AGI systems, using current computers, according to designs that can feasibly be implemented by moderately-sized groups of people That's why I came over from

Re: [agi] open or closed source for AGI project?

2008-10-14 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi YKY, If your code will be open source lisp, then I have a few points learned from my experience at Cycorp. (1) Franz has a very good Common Lisp (Allegro) IDE for Windows and Linux, but is closed source (2) Steel Bank Common Lisp is open source, derived from CMU Common Lisp. Recent SBCL

Re: [agi] universal logical form for natural language

2008-09-29 Thread Stephen Reed
Ben gave the following examples that demonstrate the ambiguity of the preposition with: People eat food with forks People eat food with friend[s] People eat food with ketchup The Texai bootstrap English dialog system, whose grammar rule engine I'm currently rewriting, uses elaboration and

Re: [agi] universal logical form for natural language

2008-09-29 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike asked: How does Stephen or YKY or anyone else propose to read between the lines? And what are the basic world models, scripts, frames etc etc. that you think sufficient to apply in understanding any set of texts, even a relatively specialised set? Interesting that this question

Re: [agi] universal logical form for natural language

2008-09-29 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike said: The way humans acquire language is precisely by starting not by reading Wikipedia but by mastering fiction-like sentences with simple subjects and simple actions and relationships - like John sit John eat Jack like Jill. Me give Jill soap etc. -based primarily in the here and

Re: [agi] universal logical form for natural language

2008-09-28 Thread Stephen Reed
Matt said: The overview claims to be able to convert natural language sentences into Cycl assertions, and to convert questions to Cycl queries. So I wonder why the knowledge base is still not being built this way. And I wonder why there is no public demo of the interface, and no papers giving

Re: [agi] aversion to philosophy

2008-08-05 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Terren, When I worked at Cycorp, on the Cyc Knowledge Base, I think that they employed over 20 PhD philosophers at the peak to edit Cyc concepts and relationships. Every day I heard conversations such as Would a geyser of Dr. Pepper still be Dr. Pepper? - (or is it only a conveniently

[agi] Not dead

2008-06-27 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Richard, Frankly, looking at recent posts, I think this list is already dead. Dear Richard, be patient, or post more about your own results. I have, right or wrong, somewhat modest expectations for the posts on this list (-aside from my favorite authors :-) ). I, like perhaps some other

Re: [agi] Pearls Before Swine...

2008-06-08 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Steve, I'm thinking about the Texai bootstrap dialog system, and in particular about adding grammar rules and vocabulary for the utterance Compile a class. Cheers. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin,

Re: [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL?

2008-06-03 Thread Stephen Reed
similar to Cyc to me), more so than to OpenCog Prime (my proposal for a Novamente-like system built on OpenCog, not yet fully documented but I'm actively working on the docs now). I wonder why you don't join Stephen Reed on the texai project? Is it because you don't like the open-source nature of his

Re: [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL?

2008-06-03 Thread Stephen Reed
] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 12:20:19 PM Subject: Re: [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL? On 6/3/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the crisp (i.e. certain or very near certain) KR for these domains will facilitate the use of FOL inference (e.g

Re: [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL?

2008-06-03 Thread Stephen Reed
From: YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 5:29:07 PM Subject: Re: [agi] OpenCog's logic compared to FOL? On 6/4/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of the work to date on program generation, macro processing, application

Re: Merging threads was Re: Code generation was Re: [agi] More Info Please

2008-05-27 Thread Stephen Reed
Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 12:23:37 PM Subject: Merging threads was Re: Code generation was Re: [agi] More Info Please Steve, On 5/26/08, Stephen Reed

Re: [agi] More Info Please

2008-05-26 Thread Stephen Reed
Regarding the best language for AGI development, most here know that I'm using Java in Texai. For skill acquisition, my strategy is to have Texai acquire a skill by composing a Java program to perform the learned skill. I hope that the algorithmic (e.g. Java statement operation) knowledge

Re: [agi] Uninterpreted RDF terms

2008-05-17 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Lukasz, Here is a typical Capability Description from my first set of bootstrap cases: (capability name: defineInstanceVariable description: Defines an instance variable having the given name and object type. preconditions: (rdf:type ?variable-name cyc:NonEmptyCharacterString)

Re: [agi] Porting MindForth AI into JavaScript Mind.html

2008-05-17 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Jey, You said: This list is being dominated by nonsense because the scientifically grounded people on this list don't want to take the time to refute every piece of fantastic drivel. I certainly don't blame them for wanting to focus on their time on other more productive projects, but it

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-17 Thread Stephen Reed
/16/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I naively expect misunderstandings and ignorance on the part of the user to be reconciled via clarification dialog. What else is there besides misunderstandings and ignorance on the part of the user? Is there something else for computers to address

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Stephen Reed
Steve Richfield said: Does anyone else here share my dream of a worldwide AI with all of the knowledge of the human race to support it - built with EXISTING Wikipediaand Dr. Eliza software and a little glue to hold it all together? Hi Steve, I share part of your dream, in that I am strongly

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2

2008-05-10 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: rooftop8000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:35:49 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2 Do you think a hierarchy structure could be too restrictive? No, I have not yet found a use case that would

Re: Newcomb's Paradox (was Re: [agi] Goal Driven Systems and AI Dangers)

2008-05-09 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Matt, You asked: What would be a good test for understanding an algorithm? As I mentioned before, I want to create a system capable of being taught - specifically capable of being taught skills. And I strongly share your interest in answers to this question. A student should be able to

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes, try2

2008-05-09 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi, The Texai system, as I envision its deployment, will have the following characteristics: * a lot of processes * a lot of hosts * message passing between processes, that are arranged in a hierarchical control system * higher level processes will be

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL ..PS

2008-05-08 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Mike, I've spent some time working with the CMU Sphinx automatic speech recognition software, as well as the Festival text-to-speech software. From the Texai SourceForge source code repository, anyone interested can inspect and download an echo application that recognizes a spoken

Re: [agi] standard way to represent NL in logic?

2008-05-07 Thread Stephen Reed
YKY, The Rus form is also a popular logical form, have you heard of it? I think it is complete in the sense that all English (or NL) sentences can be represented in it, but the drawback is that it's somewhat indirect. I have not heard about Rus form. Could you provide a link or reference?

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Stephen Reed
Message From: YKY (Yan King Yin) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 10:36:16 AM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes On 5/4/08, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As perhaps you know, I want to organize Texai as a vast multitude of agents

Re: [agi] AGI-08 videos

2008-05-06 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Lukasz , With regard to the Texai approach, I have subjected myself to these constraints: * to author the bootstrap portion of the system by myself * to write the least amount of code (e.g. not to write an ideal AI language first) * to reuse existing narrow AI

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-06 Thread Stephen Reed
PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes Stephen Reed wrote: At the time that the Texai bootstrap English dialog system is available, I'll begin fleshing out the hundreds of agencies for which I hope to recruit human mentors. Each agency I establish will have paragraphs

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-05 Thread Stephen Reed
, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Mike Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 12:26:43 AM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: be like Skype, the popular

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-05 Thread Stephen Reed
Message From: Matt Mahoney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 1:43:20 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes --- Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt (or anyone else), have you gotten as far as thinking about NAT hole punching or some other

Re: [agi] AGI-08 videos

2008-05-05 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Bob, You said: The human mind actually doesn't scale all that well (just look at how dysfunctional large corporations or government agencies can become) I am relying on the contrary for ultimately deploying a vast multitude of collaborating Texai instances. Like James Albus, I believe that

Re: [agi] about Texai

2008-05-04 Thread Stephen Reed
] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Sunday, May 4, 2008 12:32:03 PM Subject: [agi] about Texai @Stephen Reed and others: I'm writing a prototype of my AGI in Lisp, with special emphasis on the inductive learning algorithm. I'm looking for collaborators. It seems that Texai is the closed to my AGI theory

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Matt, As perhaps you know, I want to organize Texai as a vast multitude of agents situated in a hierarchical control system, grouped as possibly redundant, load-sharing, agents within an agency sharing a specific mission. I have given some thought to the message content, and assuming that

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-04 Thread Stephen Reed
, May 4, 2008 9:41:16 PM Subject: Re: [agi] organising parallel processes On Sun, May 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt (or anyone else), have you gotten as far as thinking about NAT hole punching or some other solution for peer-to-peer? NAT hole punching has

Re: [agi] upcoming oral at Princeton

2008-05-02 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Josh, I briefly looked at the ImageNet description at the Princeton WordNet site. It does not reveal whether the images are open source to the extent this new data can be linked and distributed with WordNet, which has a very permissive license. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial

[agi] Texai status 2008-04-25

2008-04-25 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi all, For those interested, I have posted on my blog here, the current Texai bootstrap system status. Note that the system now can only understand and generate a single utterance. Progress towards a broader coverage of English awaits the completion of the Grammar Acquisition Skill, and

Re: [agi] Why Symbolic Representation P.S.

2008-04-24 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, All you need to know about an apple is a set of letters A-P-P-L-E,and other letters like F-R-U-I-T and R-E-D. (You also seem to be implying that blind/deaf people get to know the world by language *without* senses!) I concede that you are well informed about the learning

Re: [agi] Why Symbolic Representation P.S.

2008-04-23 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Mike, John Arne Riise stood doubled over in his tiny corner of football hell. These sentences are great demonstrations of why I favor a construction grammar. It's not necessary to process the imagery from first principles. These sentences are full of idioms that can be simply treated as

Re: [agi] An Open Letter to AGI Investors

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen Reed
Matt said: General intelligences are going to have to compete with organizations of specialized systems, each of which is optimized for a narrow task. Interesting observation. I envision Texai as a multitude of specialized agents arranged in hierarchical control system, and acting in

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen Reed
] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 12:43:37 PM Subject: RE: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI? --- recent input and responses .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Stephen Reed writes: Hey Texai, let's

Re: [agi] Re: Language learning

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen Reed
Matt said: People do not learn grammar by being given grammatical rules, because we still don't know what they are. Grammar rules seem to have a Zipf distribution, like vocabulary. About 200 words account for half of the tokens in text, and then it gets complicated. Likewise, a small number of

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen Reed
Josh said: [what's missing] In a single word: feedback. At a very high level of abstraction, most the AGI (and AI for that matter) schemes I've seen can be caricatured as follows: 1. Receive data from sensors. 2. Interpret into higher-level concepts. 3. Then a miracle occurs. 4. Interpret

Re: Open source (was Re: [agi] The Strange Loop of AGI Funding: now logically proved!)

2008-04-21 Thread Stephen Reed
Bob, I, perhaps naively, agree with your list of required resources - which I'm glad to have. But I believe that AGI will not be developed in isolation. Its not only that AGI is a hard, unsolved problem, its that working alone in isolation, there is such a great probability that the

Re: [agi] Science 2.0

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Mike, The article is entirely available here. I believe that it not appropriate (i.e. illegal) to reproduce copyrighted material from web sites for which all rights are reserved, without their permission. Fair use, as typically employed on the web, would allow quotation of the first few

[agi] UMBEL subject ontology based upon OpenCyc released

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Zitgist has released UMBEL web services that provide a subject ontology, based upon the OpenCyc ontology that is linked to other useful ontologies including WordNet. A useful navigation page is here. This news is especially good for Texai because I too have adopted the OpenCyc ontology as

Re: [agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, Thanks for the reference, which I will study further. As many know, the Texai KB is currently crisp and symbolic, and will have to stay that way until after the bootstrap English dialog system is developed. I want Texai to be implemented in a cognitively plausible manner, and articles

Re: [agi] Concepts - Cog Sci/AI vs Cog Neurosci

2008-04-20 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, I've printed but not yet fully studied the Barsalou paper. But I am still very comforted by your quotation from his work: ... he posits as primary something more like 2) an agent-dependent instruction manual. According to this metaphor, knowledge of a category is not a general

Re: [agi] WHAT ARE THE MISSING CONCEPTUAL PIECES IN AGI?

2008-04-19 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Ed, As most already know, the problem I am trying to solve involves knowledge and skill acquisition to achieve AGI. The proposed solution is a bootstrap English dialog system, backed by a knowledge base based upon OpenCyc and greatly elaborated with lexical information from WordNet,

Re: [agi] database access fast enough?

2008-04-17 Thread Stephen Reed
YKY Here is what I learned from implementing the Texai knowledge base. It persists symbolic statements about concepts. I designed an SQL schema to persist OpenCyc in its full CycL form, in MySQL on SuSE 64-bit Linux. My Java application driving MySQL dramatically slowed down when the number

Re: [agi] database access fast enough?

2008-04-17 Thread Stephen Reed
YKY said: If the inference requires a rule outside the sub-KB, you'd have to do a very expensive swap. I think this only works if you're sure the entire inference is contained within a sub-KB. Right. I envision Texai deployed as distributed agents operating within a hierarchical control

Re: [agi] database access fast enough?

2008-04-17 Thread Stephen Reed
YKY, I agree with your side of the debate about whole KB not fitting into RAM. As a solution, I propose to partition the whole KB into the tiniest possible cached chunks, suitable for a single agent running on a host computer with RAM resources of at least one GB. And I propose that AGI will

Re: [agi] Between logical semantics and linguistic semantics

2008-04-14 Thread Stephen Reed
:03 AM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in your comments on my adoption of Fluid Construction Grammar as a solution to the NL to semantics mapping problem. (1) Word Grammar (WG) is a construction-free version of your approach. It is based solely on spreading

Re: [agi] He Wrote 200,000 Books (but Computers Did Some of the Work)

2008-04-14 Thread Stephen Reed
Publishing computer-generated books on demand, aggregating many small profits, is an interesting illustration of The Long Tail. Considering an AGI, I anticipate that knowledge and skill acquisition will be facilitated by this principle. Obscure knowledge and skills can be acquired from, and

Re: [agi] Between logical semantics and linguistic semantics

2008-04-14 Thread Stephen Reed
PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:11:31 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Between logical semantics and linguistic semantics On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 5:14 PM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first solution to this problem is to postpone it by employing a controlled

Re: [agi] SAFAIRE project

2008-04-12 Thread Stephen Reed
Mark wrote: I wonder if you could clarify why you insistupon GPL as opposed to a Berkeley-type or Apache-type license? I believevery strongly that both ends of the open source to commercial *spectrum*are entirely unreasonable and that there is a reasonable middle ground wherewe

Re: [agi] Blog essay on the complex systems problem

2008-04-11 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Richard, After reading your blog post I wonder if you think either that (1) a hierarchical control system, such as proposed by James Albus and adopted by me as the Texai cognitive architecture, is doomed to failure as an AGI due to complexity, or whether that (2) a hierarchical control

Re: [agi] Blog essay on the complex systems problem

2008-04-11 Thread Stephen Reed
512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:43:26 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Blog essay on the complex systems problem Hi Richard, After reading your blog post I wonder if you think either that (1) a hierarchical

Re: [agi] Blog essay on the complex systems problem

2008-04-11 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 3:06:21 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Blog essay on the complex systems problem Richard Loosemore wrote: [snip] I would not say that your hierarchical control structure is doomed to

Re: [agi] SAFAIRE project

2008-04-11 Thread Stephen Reed
Richard Loosemore wrote: [snip] but this is not an open source project at this stage. Richard, I am sad that your AGI project is not open source at this stage. Please consider developing *something* open source that is related to your mission, at least analogous to OpenCog -- Novamente.

Re: [agi] How Bodies of Knowledge Grow

2008-04-10 Thread Stephen Reed
MW/MT:... how do you test acquired knowledge? I have given this problem some thought, regarding the testing of acquired grammar facts, rules and skills. Here are some points, mostly from my experience with Cyc. Before the knowledge is acquired, the mentor (or ultimately the system

Re: [agi] How Bodies of Knowledge Grow

2008-04-10 Thread Stephen Reed
Everyone knows that perception is the result of a combination of pickup (bottom-up processing) and expectation (top-down processing). There are many, many ways to implement this idea. Richard, Thanks for describing perception, in the same fashion that I believe is explained by James Albus

Re: [agi] How Bodies of Knowledge Grow

2008-04-10 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: Richard Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 11:20:13 AM Subject: Re: [agi] How Bodies of Knowledge Grow ... I agree that Albus is interesting. I am superficially familiar with his approach. From my point of view I

Re: [agi] Comments from a lurker...

2008-04-10 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: Steve Richfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:58:09 PM Subject: [agi] Comments from a lurker... [snip] BTW, the principles behind Dr. Eliza are rather unique. I'd be glad to send some papers to anyone who is

Re: [agi] Between logical semantics and linguistic semantics

2008-04-09 Thread Stephen Reed
Lukasz, I am very pleased with my implementation of the few Double R Grammar rules required to incrementally parse the book is on the table, which is an example sentence from Jerry Ball's paper. Dr. Ball is a proponent of cognitively plausible NLP architectures. -Steve Stephen L. Reed

[agi] Texai project status

2008-04-08 Thread Stephen Reed
I've posted the status of the Texai bootstrap English dialog system on my blog. Summary: parsing works for a single use case sentence, and I'm moving on to generation. I also created a page describing my approach to English utterance comprehension here, that integrates the incremental version

Re: [agi] Between logical semantics and linguistic semantics

2008-04-08 Thread Stephen Reed
of natural language? (And NL-semantics' impact on logical semantics, as opposed to letting the computer build the representation for itself, out of some elementary thought mechanics.) P.S. Thanks to Pei Wang for the interesting curriculum and to Stephen Reed for the great work on Texai

Re: [agi] Logical Satisfiability...Get used to it.

2008-03-31 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Jim, According to the Wikipedia article on SAT Solvers, there are extensions for quantified formulas, and first order logic. Otherwise SAT solvers operate principally on sets of symbolic propositions. Agreed? I believe that SAT solvers are not cognitively plausible. More precisely, I

Re: [agi] Intelligence: a pattern discovery algorithm of scalable complexity.

2008-03-30 Thread Stephen Reed
Derek: How could a symbolic engine ever reason about the real world *with* access to such information? I hope my work eventually demonstrates a solution to your satisfaction. In the meantime there is evidence from robotics, specifically driverless cars, that real world sensor input can be

Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity

2008-03-28 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, I have Lakoff Johnson Metaphors We Live By. And I'll order the other titles you recommend. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From: Mike

[agi] Added some AGIRI Wiki article content

2008-03-27 Thread Stephen Reed
I've added some content in the Computational Linguistics section of the AGIRI Wiki, which Ben outlined: Fluid_Construction_Grammar adapted from the Wikipedia article that I mostly authored. Link Grammar adapted from Wikipedia. Language Generation adapted from Wikipedia. Word Grammar

Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity

2008-03-27 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, An interesting paper on the meanings of words is I don't believe in word senses by Adam Kilgarriff. He concludes: Following a description of the conflict between WSD [Word Sense Disambiguation] and lexicological research, I examined the concept, ‘word sense’. It was not found to be

Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity

2008-03-27 Thread Stephen Reed
Ben, I would agree with an even stronger version of your statement: Treating word senses as fuzzy, cluster type categories in the context of usage-instances is the only cognitively plausible method for AGI to comprehend and produce them. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence

Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity

2008-03-27 Thread Stephen Reed
- Original Message From: Mike Tintner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: agi@v2.listbox.com Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:30:12 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity DIV { MARGIN:0px;} Steve, Some odd thoughts in reply. Thanks BTW for article. 1. You don't seem to get what's

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Stephen Reed
Ben, Wikipedia has significant overlap with the topic list on the AGIRI Wiki. I propose for discussion the notion that the AGIRI Wiki be content-compatible with Wikipedia along two dimensions: license - authors agree to the GNU Free Documentation Licenseeditorial standards - Wikipedia says

Re: [agi] Instead of an AGI Textbook

2008-03-26 Thread Stephen Reed
Ben, I just created an account on the wiki and created my user page derived from my Wikipedia user page. Image uploads on the wiki work the same way as on Wikipedia - Yay. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave.

Re: [agi] Instead_of_an_AGI_Textbook Challenge !!

2008-03-26 Thread Stephen Reed
Thanks Ben for leaving a placeholder for Fluid Construction Grammar. I've copied over the Wikipedia article for which I wrote most of the content. Cheers. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA

[agi] Java spreading activation library released

2008-03-25 Thread Stephen Reed
While programming my bootstrap English dialog system, I needed a spreading activation library for the purpose of enriching the discourse context with conceptually related terms. For example given that there is a human-habitable room that both speakers know of, then it is reasonable to assume

Re: [agi] Microsoft Launches Singularity

2008-03-24 Thread Stephen Reed
I agree with Mark. The reason the readers of this forum should seek to control AGI development is to ensure friendly behavior, rather than leaving this responsibility to an Evil Company or to some military organization. With human labor removed as a constraint on our system's economic

Re: [agi] What should we do to be prepared?

2008-03-06 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Mark, I value your ideas about 'Friendliness as an attractor in state space'. Please keep it up. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 - Original Message From:

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-19 Thread Stephen Reed
According to the in-house Cycorp jargon, deep inference begins at approximately four backchain steps in a deductive inference. As most here know, there is an exponential fanout in the number of separate inference paths with each backchain step, given a large candidate rule set and a large set

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-18 Thread Stephen Reed
Pei: Resolution-based FOL on a huge KB is intractable. Agreed. However Cycorp spend a great deal of programming effort (i.e. many man-years) finding deep inference paths for common queries. The strategies were: prune the rule set according to the contextsubstitute procedural code for

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-18 Thread Stephen Reed
, and the result is equivalent to the original knowledge in truth-value only. It is hard to control the direction of the inference without semantic information. Pei On Feb 18, 2008 11:13 AM, Stephen Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pei: Resolution-based FOL on a huge KB

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-17 Thread Stephen Reed
Yes, I would be very glad to incorporate any content that I can then republish using a Wikipedia-compatible license, e.g. GNU Free Documentation License. Any weaker license, such as Apache, BSD would be OK too. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher

Re: [agi] would anyone want to use a commonsense KB?

2008-02-17 Thread Stephen Reed
Briefly, I think that Cyc indeed has solved the brittleness problem observed with 1980's style narrow-domain expert systems. During the Halo project, Cyc was merely extended in a principled fashion to answer a battery of word questions in the chemistry domain. In my opinion the chief drawback

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge.. p.s.

2008-02-15 Thread Stephen Reed
David said: Most of the people on this list have quite different ideas about how an AGI should be made BUT I think there are a few things that most, if not all agree on. 1. Intelligence can be created by using computers that exist today using software.

Re: [agi] Applicable to Cyc, NARS, ATM others?

2008-02-14 Thread Stephen Reed
Mike, Cyc uses, and my own Texai project will also eventually employ, deductive reasoning (i.e. modus ponens) as its main inference mechanism. In Cyc, most of the fallacies that Shirkey points out are avoided by two means - nonmonotonic (e.g. default) reasoning, and context. Although I

Re: [agi] reasoning knowledge

2008-02-14 Thread Stephen Reed
Pei, Given your description, I agree B2 is the way to go. At Cycorp, the inductive (e.g. rule induction), abductive (e.g. hypothesis generation), and analogical reasoning engines I observed were all supported by deductive inference. I also a member of a Cycorp team that collaborated with

Re: [agi] Reading on automatic programming?

2008-02-06 Thread Stephen Reed
on automatic programming? Stephen Reed wrote: Eli, Same as Ben - Generative Programming, Methods, Tools, and Applications (2000) - Krzysztof Czarnecki, Ulrich W. Eisenecker I would chime in and say that this one also struck me as a very stimulating book

Re: [agi] Reading on automatic programming?

2008-02-06 Thread Stephen Reed
Richard, I entirely agree with your comments. I would like to eventually stop programming in Java and have the system do that for me. I am strongly motivated to build its dialog component first because that addresses the issue of how to collaborate with the system when the rough seas are

Re: [agi] Reading on automatic programming?

2008-02-06 Thread Stephen Reed
on automatic programming? Stephen Reed wrote: Richard, I entirely agree with your comments. I would like to eventually stop programming in Java and have the system do that for me. I am strongly motivated to build its dialog component first because

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