Amen!
-Larry/NE1S
Good.
Rob
K5UJ
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bob Macklin macklin...@msn.com wrote:
No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined.
--
Pay a visit to my amateur radio web page at:
ne1s.rfburn.org
Law makers and regulators LOVE undefined words and phrases!
From: Paul Christensen w...@arrl.net
No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM
defined.
Section 97.307(a) is the closest regulation we have pertaining
occupied
bandwidth in the American amateur
: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I usually limit my audio to between 4 and 6 Kc.
I cant hear anything over 3000 Hz anyway, so it all sounds like ssb, even
if
I am not on the radio!
What I don't like, and what does all AM'ers a disservice is guys who get
on
in prime time, run over 10Kc
Bob:
I am pretty sure that by bandwidth of 3 kc they
definitely meant *modulating signal* bandwidth
of 3 kc.
- Jim W4ENE
__
Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net
AMRadio mailing list
Searchable Archives:
Jim,
I understand what the rules mean, however is seems that some folks feel
that the entire emission from AM DSB is 3Kc.
I just wanted to clearly tell it how it is.
What it comes down to, an AM DSB *WILL* exceed 6Kc. That would even be
if each sideband is limited to 3Kc in width. This is
The alarming confusion expressed right here on the AMRADIO mailing list
regarding the occupied bandwidth of a DSB AM signal makes my point
beautifully. Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really
know the bandwidth of their signnal.
Very few hams have the knowledge, skills, or
That is precisely WHY I posted my earlier message today! Subject:
Signal Bandwidth.
To lay out what the ENTIRE AM signal is composed of, and by words,
describe what it will/would look like, whether you laid it out on a
graph with stubby pencil, or were to look at it with a station monitor
He he - yeah, and unless I missed something nobody has really defined
what the parameters are for that bandwidth anyway!
- 6dB?
-40dB?
And of course there are ALL KINDS of other details beyond
just this number.
Unless the discussion became a whole lot more technical than
it has been up to
, 2010 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
The alarming confusion expressed right here on the AMRADIO mailing list
regarding the occupied bandwidth of a DSB AM signal makes my point
beautifully. Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really
know the bandwidth
, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
He he - yeah, and unless I missed something nobody has really defined
what the parameters are for that bandwidth anyway!
- 6dB?
-40dB?
And of course there are ALL KINDS of other details beyond
just this number.
Unless the discussion
Good.
Rob
K5UJ
On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bob Macklin macklin...@msn.com wrote:
No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined.
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
Real Radios Glow In The Dark
__
Our Main
No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined.
Section 97.307(a) is the closest regulation we have pertaining occupied
bandwidth in the American amateur service. However, some folks have argued
that Sections 2.201 and 2.202 apply to the Part 97 service since Section
Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined.
Section 97.307(a) is the closest regulation we have pertaining occupied
bandwidth in the American amateur
reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more
than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it conserves
space. if so why does one even operate AM? why not use only ssb, psk or cw?
better yet do not operate at all, look at the space saved then!!! I
8:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
No, I bet you could run twice the legal power for years and no one would
know...
After all, how can you tell the difference between a good antenna or twice
the power?
Brett
- Original Message -
From: D. Chester k4
Bravo Bernie - again, GREAT comments!
--
Best regards - Bry Carling, AF4K
Bernie Doran qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com wrote:
reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more
than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it conserves
space. if
Bernie,
I am NOT one whom believes that a 3Kc bandwidth is adequate.
The reality is that AM is DSB, Double SideBand, with carrier. So by
definition, it MUST occupy more than 6Kc. You have a sideband of audio
above the carrier, the carrier, and then the sideband below the carrier.
I guess I
- Original Message -
From: Bernie Doran qedconsulta...@embarqmail.com
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me
Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you
want according to the actual rules.
The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC
would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it.
I'm not sure if the League is so much
Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you
want according to the actual rules.
The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC
would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it.
I'm not sure if the League is so much
Don't forget your Division Directors and Vice Directors. Send them
copies of anything you send to anyone directly connected to Newington.
Jim/W5JO
- Original Message -
Let's stand up for our mode, my fellow AMers. Don't just send your
comments to the published email addy, but
This is nothing but BS. it is all power and money. look at the epa from
thier start many years ago to now. once you meet the modest goals, the only
way to exist and expand is to expand the goal constantly.any
organization that publishes any document, however distorted and crazy , will
be
Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to
convence me that this is not the result of the downgraded license requirements.
I hate that I am better than someone else attitude no matter where I find it.
I am convenced that mean and people suck.
n0jef
Bernie,
I think that it is more of a reflection of our society as a whole now days.
I want it now, I want it my way, I don't want to have to put forth any
effort to get it and if I have to step on some one else to get it that's ok
as I'm just looking out for myself.
Then you put that together
the loudest is
the one that got hit..
- Original Message -
From: kj4...@aol.com
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to
convence me
Todd, you are correct.
The ARRL has been obsessed with spectrum conservation for decades. It
might have made some sense at one time. But the compulsion to make
every emission as close to knife blade narrow as possible is out of
touch with reality now.Not to mention that when I finish using
hit..
- Original Message -
From:kj4...@aol.com
To:amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to
convence me that this is not the result
-
From: sbjohns...@aol.com
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Further response from the ARRL President:
- - - - - - - -
Hi Steve,
In the USA we are regulated by the FCC's Rules, not by this band plan
Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to
our hobby would be:
1 Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider
...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Macklin
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just
use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz
This is wonderful in theory.
So what are we supposed to do with WWII era equipment such as BC-610s?
The entire audio chain goes from 400 to 3500cps. Guess I'll just
continue along as I have been doing since I got both of them.
I do run a monitor scope, and I know it is clean. I do have to
: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This is wonderful in theory.
So what are we supposed to do with WWII era equipment such as BC-610s?
The entire audio chain goes from 400 to 3500cps. Guess I'll just
continue along as I have been doing since I got both of them.
I do run a monitor scope, and I know
Bob Macklin wrote:
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just
use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz.
There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not
supposed to be playing music.
B
All true, Bob.
But many of us enjoy listening to, and
Larry/NE1S wrote:
But many of us enjoy listening to, and transmitting, full-fidelity
audio. The human voice DOES sound better (to our ears, at least) when we
do this. And if there is room on the band when we choose to operate, why
the heck shouldn't we?
73,
-Larry/NE1S
Try reading Part
I've read it time and time again!
AM DSB is A3E without question.
As the discussion I've been having off-list, I'll simply say that *IF*
someone can REALLY pick up the fact that BC-610s and T-213s are running
an extra 100cps on each sideband, then so be it.
It has been running that way for
they
shouldn't have been messin'.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message -
From: Bob Macklin macklin...@msn.com
To: n...@securespeed.us; Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2
, 2010 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I've read it time and time again!
AM DSB is A3E without question.
As the discussion I've been having off-list, I'll simply say that *IF*
someone can REALLY pick up the fact that BC-610s and T-213s are running
an extra 100cps
run CW or
PSK. look for me around 3.7 Bernie
- Original Message -
From: rbethman rbeth...@comcast.net
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I've read it time
My fau paux!
It is setting the Modulator bias. The manual says 40ma. I usually have
to dial it down a bit, or REALLY run the audio gain down a good bit.
Both my BC-610 and my T-213 put 400W out on pure carrier.
So I have to keep from letting the horse run!. I didn't know what the
actual
Yeah but Bob - if you want to make some kind of binding RULE out
of that vague requirement then your AM signal should only be
4 kHz wide, because under ideal circumstances the guy on the
other end could still understand you.
Oh, you might sound rather MUFFLED, but who cares so long as
you
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just
use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz.
There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not
supposed to be playing music.
Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
There is nothing in the rules that says we have to use
I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I
set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma,
the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP.
There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have to have instruments
capable of measuring PEP. They
The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty,
the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it.
Not true.
You are confusing IARU with ITU. The International Telecommunications Union
formulates the international treaties that determine what
, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I
set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma,
the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP.
There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I
set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma,
the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP
in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:53 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bob Macklin wrote:
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio.
Just
use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz.
There is not much 3KHz or higher energy
You are correct Brett except if anyone ever complained. If your signal
is clean and under 6-7 KC they probably wouldn't care because of the
fact that the signal at the receiver only moves just a bit with each
doubling of power.
I believe W6HLH is an example of what you say, as is a number of
In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address
provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a
reply from the President, Kay N3KN.
- - - - - - - -
Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM
operation. For example, if you look
on 3.880.
--- On Sun, 3/7/10, sbjohns...@aol.com sbjohns...@aol.com wrote:
From: sbjohns...@aol.com sbjohns...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:36 PM
In addition to sending my comments to
the feedback email
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:09 PM, jon baker ad5...@yahoo.com wrote:
All
I agree with Steve, seems they are trying to squeeze
us into special segments, such as the 30 Kc. segment
Kay mentioned, only 5 Kc. of which are in the U.S. fone
band!
Sadly, some in our community have added to
wants
to fart around where it doesn't need to go in order to prove their own self
worth!
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
- Original Message -
From: sbjohns...@aol.com
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
, 2010 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address
provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a
reply from the President, Kay N3KN.
- - - - - - - -
Thank you for your comments. The Region 2
Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
What the hell is with this 2700 Hz bandwidth crap? I tickle the SSB
exciter
every now and then and I find that I don't like listening to nasal drip
audio
Further response from the ARRL President:
- - - - - - - -
Hi Steve,
In the USA we are regulated by the FCC's Rules, not by this band plan.
The
Region 2 band plan cannot require any licensee in the USA to measure
occupied bandwidth for any mode of operation, because it has no
regulatory
force
My further response to the ARRL President:
- - - - - - -
Kay wrote:
The Region 2 band plan does not even refer to
measurement of occupied bandwidth.
What is the point of assigning a maximum bandwidth to the various band
segments if it is not a measured bandwidth? A parallel example: A
speed
@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 8:04 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This does not sound like it is going well, 6kc, might as well go to
ssb. I
always object to small groups coming up with great ideas to help the
rest
of us. arrl does not represent me or the majority
seems they are trying to squeeze us into special segments,
such as the 30 Kc. segment Kay mentioned, only 5 Kc. of
which are in the U.S. fone band!
I'm having trouble understanding what they are trying to accomplish.
Maybe it is just a matter of power and control by people who think they
are
Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't clear),
it is an important point.
Ham equipment is manufactured for the international market. That means
we are at risk of being 'lowest common denominatored' into things we
really may not want domestically, like ROHS standards
gb...@w3am.com
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't clear),
it is an important point.
Ham equipment
Some countries in all three Regions have no equivalent FCC to govern
their amateur radio rules and regulations so they rely on IARU guidence.
Bermuda is a member of Region 2. You might find their rules and
regulations interesting especially on AM operation.
On my previous post below, if you click on the Bermuda link, you can
scroll down to item 39 Measurements, if clicking on the link doesn't take
you there directly.
Pete, wa2cwa
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:47:56 -0500 manualman manual...@juno.com writes:
Some countries in all three Regions have no
it.
-Original Message- From: Gary Blau gb...@w3am.com To:
Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject:
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't
clear
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
On my previous post below, if you click on the Bermuda link, you can
scroll down to item 39 Measurements, if clicking on the link doesn't
take
you there directly.
Pete, wa2cwa
On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:47:56 -0500 manualman manual...@juno.com writes
of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to
our hobby would be:
1 Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:02 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to
our hobby would be:
1 Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider it
another mode of phone
/
Radio is your best entertainment value.
-Original Message-
From: D. Chester k4...@charter.net
To: amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I
Steve wrote in part:
Now in early 2010 that amount of time has passed and the
IARU plan is under review - interesting.
ARRL is publishing stuff about AM. This
must mean they are not against it. And if
that's the case then they had better not argue
in favor of 3 kc bandwidth limitation.
From: Jim Tonne to...@comcast.net
ARRL is publishing stuff about AM. This
must mean they are not against it. And if
that's the case then they had better not argue
in favor of 3 kc bandwidth limitation. That
would like shooting themselves in the foot.
...and we all know
I don't trust the ARRgghhL! No way, no how! Just my 50¢ worth.
Mod-U-Lator,
Mike(y)
W3SLK
==
Remember in 2007- 2008 when the ARRL backed down from
their attempt to get FCC regulation by bandwidth?
At that time we heard a League official state
Here's my feedback on the present Region 2 bandplan.
I submitted it to bandplan2...@arrl.org as was requested...
- - - - - - - - - - -
ARRL -
Feedback on IARU Region 2 bandplan
The actual need for bandplans has not been established, but if we
accept that one is desired, a bandplan should
Of course, a calling frequency is different then an operating
frequency. And, a calling frequency is a suggestion, not a mandate.
Pete, wa2cwa
On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:02:38 -0500 Jim Tonne to...@comcast.net writes:
And having a single frequency (for
example 3885) for AM is the height of
Pete:
Yes, you are right. Now that I have given it a
bit more thought, that *was* a *calling*
frequency.
Which I find equally stupid, however, for the
usual, casual, rag-chewing AM operator !
I will confess I have an ARC-5 receiver sitting
on 3885. It also monitors 3870 on up to 3895,
Message -
From: Jim Tonne to...@comcast.net
To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service
amradio@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Pete:
Yes, you are right. Now that I have given it a
bit more thought
If AM'ers feel that strongly against AM calling frequency designations,
they should petition the ARRL and the IARU to remove all of them from
their respective band plans. Personally, calling frequencies mean little
to me on the HF bands. I never use them. The casual AM'er just needs to
wander the
We should try to get them to include language stating that AM may
be used ANYWHERE that other amplitude modulated telephony modes
such as SB are allowed, AND they should state that there are areas
in which regular AM operation is noted, such as from 3870 to 3890 kHz.
(Also now 3650 to 3750 kHz
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:08 PM
Subject: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan
The International Amateur Radio Region 2 (IARU R2) conference -- held later
this year in El Salvador -- brings together delegations from the national
Amateur
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Bry Carling bcarl...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
We should try to get them to include language stating that AM may
be used ANYWHERE that other amplitude modulated telephony modes
such as SB are allowed,
This is easily covered by using the term 'phone' rather than
Actually AM is true (radiotele)phone; SSB is wildly changing CW in
frequency and amplitude beating against an oscillator in the receiver.
: )
rob
k5uj
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Todd, KA1KAQ ka1...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Bry Carling bcarl...@cfl.rr.com wrote:
We
I haven't attempted to formulate a response yet, but two things immediately
come to mind.
One, the bandwidth issue. The Region 1 plan specifically accommodates AM on
any phone frequency despite nominal maximum bandwidths posted in the chart.
This is conspicuously absent from the current
This is irrelevant to the current proposed action on the table. If you
want to write a proposal to the FCC, have at it. It doesn't take a broad
consensus of amateurs to push a proposal before the eyes of the FCC.
Pete, wa2cwa
On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:36:07 -0600 D. Chester k4...@charter.net
ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan
The International Amateur Radio Region 2 (IARU R2) conference -- held later
this year in El Salvador -- brings together delegations from the national
Amateur Radio Societies in the Western Hemisphere. One of the topics on the
agenda will be the
81 matches
Mail list logo
