[AZORES-Genealogy] Family from Pico

[Goulart, Braga, Brum in Lajes, Pico Azores]

Both grandparents from Lajes, Pico, Azores trying to find any records 
regarding families.  Braga, Goularte, Goulart, Brum, Perry

Thank you for any help!

Bridgette

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baby's Name?

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello,

Could someone please tell me the name of the baby on the bottom right of 
this page?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-CALHETA-B-1730-1746/SJR-CH-CALHETA-B-1730-1746_item1/P107.html

Is it Semna? 

THANKS

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba Records

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Thank you so much for the info on the records John! That's really a shame.  I'm 
now just hoping I don't have any more from Lomba on this line!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba Records

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That would make an interesting video. Just a few days ago I linked myself and 
my top 7 matches on the tree feature. That includes 2 of my grandparents.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Feliz Natal e Prospero Ano Novo (Merry Christmas/Happy New Year) Thread

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Happy holidays and wishes for a Genealogically prosperous year to come for all!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba Records

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Hello guys!

I just was researching one of my last little branches that I had not yet done.  
I discovered my ancestor was born in Lomba sometime around 1760 or so.  He died 
in Ribeira Seca on Sao Jorge. I noticed that the records for Lomba end in the 
mid nineteenth century :-( does anyone know wether they were simply lost, or if 
they can be found in the records of a neighboring village (I.e. Fajazinha)

Thanks!

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fajã da Caldeira

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

That is correct Louie.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fajã da Caldeira

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I have to disagree with Mara, prior to that and even during that you would 
search Ribeira Deca's Sao Thiago NOT Santa Catherina in Calheta.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism record for Francisco de Avila - deciphering help

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes, those are the parents I can make out too.

The following is my best guess:

Paternal grandparents
Antonio de Sousa Nunes of the Freguisia of Lagens(?)
Maria da Santa Antonio of this Freguisia 
Maternal grandparents
Zicente??? Cardoso __ of this Freguisia
Maria Antonio of this Freguisia


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Bretanha Marriage - Manuel de Medeiros & Leocádia de Jesus

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes, I thing you have everything else right.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

>
> Precisely what I was thinking Cheri. Louis, I reviewed more now that I am 
> home, and I am positive that you have the wrong marriage record. The Rols I 
> sent are for the family in Ribeira Seca (te same family whose marriage 
> record you sent) the Rols listing Pascoal in Ribeira Seca 1832 prove you 
> have the wrong marriage becuse I just noticed that the link you sent for 
> Sabinas birth (1831) is actually in Norte Pequeno.  I went looking then, 
> and found a REAL sibling to Sabina, left 
> page: 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-B-1830-1852_item1/P11.html
>
There was one Pascoal Machado Mendonca in Ribeira Seca but there was also 
another - Sabina's father who was in Norte Pequeno. Keep on hunting!

I ALSO found Pascoal's death at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-O-1853-1860/SJR-CH-NORTEPEQUENO-O-1853-1860_item1/P11.html

(BOTTOM RIGHT ENTRY) (It lists wife as Margarida too. He was a widdower)

I hope this helps to clarify some of this.

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

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I too would be interested in seeing any marriage or later life records for 
Sabina as Linda mentioned to sort this out.

A had time to go through more today, and here is the 1884 Rol for Pascal:

Morro e Gança   302 1   Raulino José Cordeiro   m   60  
co  Lavrador
Morro e Gança   Joaquina Inácia f   mr  57  ca  
Oc.doméstica
Morro e Gança   Maria   f   enteada 20  sa  
Oc.doméstica
Morro e Gança   Pascoal Machado Mendonçam   sogro   
84  va  Camponês
Morro e Gança   Elias   m   sobrinho11  so  


Here is the 1875 Rol for Pascoal:

Morro e gança   289 4   1   Paulino José Cordeiro   
m   52  co  Camponês
Morro e gança   289 Joaquina Inácia f   
mulher  49  ca  Ocupante doméstica
Morro e gança   289 Maria   f   filha   
11  sa  
Morro e gança   289 Pascoal Machado 
Mendonçam   ?   75  vo  Camponês


Now, Sabina was born a year before Pascoal's marriage.  I can GAURENTEE you 
that in 1832 (the closest Rol available to the time of Sabina's birth) there 
are only a half dozen Pascoal's in Ribeira Seca and only one Pascoal's Machado 
Mendonca - nothing else is even close.

So, I queried the 1832 Rol first, looking for a Sabina around age 1 since she 
was born in 1831. There are none around that age, but for the sake of this, I 
am posting below all of the households in Ribeira Seca in which there was a 
Sabina in 1832.

172 1   João Inácio (Ajudante)  m   63  so  
Lavrador
Rita Anjos  f   irmã57  va  
1   
José Silveira   m   46  so  Criado  

Josém   26  so  Criado  

Umbelinaf   19  sa  Criada  

Sabina  f   15  sa  Criada  

Bárbara f   17  sa  Criada  

249 1   José Silveira Ávila m   49  co  
Lavrador
Micaela Jesus   f   mr  46  ca  

António m   fo  19  so  

Josém   fo  12  so  

Maria   f   fa  26  sa  

Ana f   fa  22  sa  

Teresa  f   fa  20  sa  

Isabel  f   fa  16  sa  

Bárbara f   fa  14  sa  

Sabina  f   fa  11  sa  

Manuel  m   fo  7   so  

Mariana f   fa  4   sa  


272 1   Isabel Franciscaf   71  va  

Faustinom   fo  28  so  
Marítimo
Luzia   f   fa  32  sa  

Sabina  f   neta14  sa  

Isabel  f   neta2   sa  

370 1   Patrício José Matos m   47  co  
Trabalhador 
Justina Rosaf   mr  49  ca  

Manuel  m   fo  19  so  

Domingosm   fo  8   so  

Luzia   f   fa  21  sa  

Maria   f   fa  14  sa  

Sabina  f   fa  11  sa  

Delfina f   fa  4   sa  


419 1   Luzia Ináciaf   fa  66  va  

António f   fo  20  so

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

1832 Rol

281 1   Pascoal Machado Mendonçam   32  
co  Trabalhador 
Maria Silveira  f   mr  48  ca  

Manuel  m   fo  8   so  

Francisco Machado   m   irmão   34  so  

Bartolomeu  m   irmão   31  so  
Marítimo
Pascoal Machado Sousa   m   pai 69  vo  
Lavrador

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Can you tell me what this means

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1839 confessional rols

Morro e Gança   283 1   Pascoal Machado Mendonçam   
38  co  
Morro e Gança   Maria Silveira  f   mr  55  ca  

Morro e Gança   Manuel  m   fo  14  so  

Morro e Gança   Francisco   m   irmão   41  ?   

Morro e Gança   Pascoal Machado m   pai 76  ?   


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fajã Redonda

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I just emailed you a little bitty map of Faja Redonda

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Returning Home to Azores from US

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Upon review I see I was wrong it was 1930.  I looked at Familysearch's catalog 
an it looks like that's all prior to 1925.  Strangely, I did write in and was 
turned down do to confidentiality even though I providedd united stateconsular 
office death certificate. Perhaps I will have to try again, but just imagine 
the fees ;-)


Thanks you both for the thoughts.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Gravestones

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Shirl, 
I now have the data for 2 Jewish cemeteries (one on Sao Miguel and one on 
Terceira) I will add it to the site asap, but people have been sending me so 
much for this it's hard!!!

Thanks,

And good luck finding kin when it's added!

Jeremy

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Gravestones

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Special thanks to Evee on this list for contributing the photographs of Santo 
Amaro Cemetery on Pico to my little project!  The villages of Santo Amaro and 
Ribeira on Pico will be added tonight, and Ribeira Seca on Sao Jorge will be 
finished in the last few days!  A gentleman living in Calheta on S. Jorge sent 
me a video of the cemetery grave by grave, which I downloaded, and have been 
extracting data from Thank you everyone for the wonderful response!

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Margin Notes

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>
> Awesome.
>
>  

> I can sort of see that now that you gave me the dates! I appreciate you 
> both so much!
>
>
  Jeremy 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azorean Gravestones

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Hello all,

I have obtained more data pertaining to the island of Pico, and will upload it 
soon, and will update https://sites.google.com/site/azoreangravestones/ . 
Additionally, I have received the last of the data for Flores, and the island 
will, I suspect, be completed before the first of December if all goes well.

Ribeira Seca on Sao Jorge is about 75% complete as apparently not all names 
were on my origional list.  I am fixing the problem this week, so check back if 
you had relatives there. There is also a link to a YouTube video of a tour of 
the cemetery grave by grave. this is also being used to complete my records.

If anyone wishes to photograph or transcribe a cemetery on their trip to the 
Islands, please contact me below so that we can add the work to this project!  
The cemeteries are small, and as I hear take no longer than a half hour to do.

I have had about of people contact me through the site notifying me of trips 
that they plan on making and that they might be able to help with the little 
project.  I will try to notify this group when any major developments are made.

Thank you,

Jeremy B-C

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[AZORES-Genealogy] 3 Margin Notes

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

Hello, and Happy Thanksgiving!

I would really appreciate it if anyone could please help with what the 
dates of death are on the following 3 baptismal records.

1) MARGIN NOTE FOR: Marianna 

2) MARGIN NOTE FOR: Joao 

3) MARGIN NOTE FOR: Antonio 


for two of them It looks like 1949, and the other appears to be April 19_9 
but Im not even sure I got that much correct!


Many, many thanks to anyone who could offer any assistance in the matter.

Jeremy

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Luis Obispo County Cattle Brands

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Yes - highly suggest you contact the history center for the free picture!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] San Luis Obispo County Cattle Brands

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>
> Rosemarie,
>
 

> I would highly suggest that you call your county clerk's office and ask if 
> you can come in and examine their Cattle Brand Registration Books.  Thats 
> what we photograped up in San Luis Obispo.  A sample image of it follows, 
> as there is typically a diagram of the brand.
>
 
https://sites.google.com/site/slobrands/sample 

JEREMY

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Archive web site

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> Thanks much Cheri - I will have fun playing around!
>

Jeremy 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] San Luis Obispo County Cattle Brands

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Hello,
I have, and am still adding the San Luis Obispo County Cattle Brands and 
Dairy/Agricultural record to a search portal at 
https://sites.google.com/site/slobrands/home
This project includes almost entirely Azorean Dairymen throughout the County, 
so I am posting it on this list!

Most projects can be accessed at https://sites.google.com/site/slogenealogy/home

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: In search of: Maria Margarida (Costa?) of Sao George

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You might want to check out 

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr=149482864

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: In search of: Maria Margarida (Costa?) of Sao George

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Origionally the Boston town clerk if that's what you need. Let me know if 
you need others like that - deaths/births too.

On Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 10:20:13 AM UTC-8, Mary Pimentel Wheeler 
wrote:
>
> Hi friends:  I may have sniffed out a new trail on one of my "Mystery 
> Maria's" (my GGrandmother).  I know about her marriage and death, *but am 
> working on her birth and beyond (if possible)*. Her marriage in Madera CA 
> lists her as Mary Souza, and her death in 1903 lists her as being 19 years 
> old and having been born in Boston USA.  She was married and known as Mary 
> C. Evangelho (married name) by then.  I know from her brother's Social 
> Security record that their mother's maiden name was Costa.
>
> So here is my new trail:
>
> *Found birth record for Mary Souza, born Boston USA, 26 OCT 1884.*I 
> think this is probably her, age and place fits perfectly, and there were no 
> other Maria/Maria Souza's born around that time.
> https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-695K-15?i=203=1536925
>
> Record lists her father as Manuel J, from St. Michaels Azores.
> Record lists her mother as  Maria M, from St. George Azores.
>
> *Found Marriage of her parents:  Manuel J and Maria M, married 30 NOV 
> 1872, in Boston USA*
>
> https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20=%2Bsurname%3Asouza~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3ABoston~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1872-1872~_id=1469062
>
> Record lists him as Manuel J Souza, age 30, Carpenter.  Born St. 
> Michaels Azores, his parents are Manoel and Florinda
> Record lists her as Maria Margarida, age 25.  Born in St. George 
> Azores.  Her parents are Joseph and Elizabeth.  (This is where the possible 
> Costa surname came from)
>
>
> If anyone has info on Manuel J or Maria Margarida, or their parents - 
> please let me know.  I've started searching the St George records for a 
> Maria M, born around 1847ish, but have still have a lot of churches to go 
> through.  
>
> thank you!
>
> Mary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Bandeiras on Pico

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Just found this old post too...


On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Dee  wrote:

Does any one have an idea of what happened to the Bandeiras records before 
1850? I remember my Grandmother Virginia Garcia Serpa Bettencourt saying 
that the church had burned. She was born there in 1889. I think she said 
the church burned before she was born. I also do have a connection to the 
Valines from Piededad a Manoel Leal Mendes who ended up in Bandeiras.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Gravestones

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Yes,
Lajes on Flores will be up by the end of today or tomorrow.  

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Jorge Directories???!

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I spoke with Susan Murphy on the phone, she told me that she used to have such 
a directory, however, she put it up at an auction that the group had.  She 
suggested I re-broach the subject to see if this may not anyone's memory as to 
who may have them!

Thanks

Jeremy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bandeiras on Pico

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Okay.  Are you guys absolutely certain that this is indeed the case? I spoke 
with my cousin who informed me that her good friend and mentor Elaine Silveira 
had told her that the records were mostly burned (but existed pre 1840), and 
online I found mention of the town being in existence in the 18th Century.  

Jeremy

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Azorean Gravestones

['Jeremy G. B-C - Researching: Sao Jorge & Pico' via Azores Genealogy]

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> Pat,
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>  

> Are you looking for anyone on Flores? If you give me names/places I can 
>> look in the data I have thus far and get back to yu since it will be a 
>> little while til I get it all up online!!
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>
AND

Don't see those names Shirl, Sorry 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

[pico]

Yea, the standard format has been changed because of the circumstances.Your ancestor Isabel was very weak and they thought she might die so Agueda Ferreira, daughter of Roque Ferreira performed a baptism at home where Isabel was born and the priest noted this fact.No godparents were named.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?
From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, February 27, 2015 5:51 pm
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Maybe the names I think I am seeing, e.g. Agada, are the godparents. Thanks for the help.Diane 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?

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That is what the record says, Diane. Except that Cardoso isn't used in this record.This child Isabel is the sister of my ancestor Maria and also my ancestor Roque.Is she also your ancestor?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism Record for Isabel?
From: Diane George digeorg...@hotmail.com
Date: Fri, February 27, 2015 2:31 pm
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Hi,I am having trouble figuring out the baptism record at http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622/PIC-SR-SAOROQUE-B-1582-1622_item1/P142.htmlAccording to the NEPS database, Isabel was born on 1 Aug 1618 and is the child of Manuel Martins Cardoso and Leonor Ferreira. (http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SRoquePico;lang=en;p=isabel;n=ferreira;oc=1)I am fairly sure that this record is from 1 Aug 1618 and that Isabel is named in it, but it looks like more than one person was baptized or something else that I can’t figure out. Any help would be appreciated.Diane George  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Consaguinidad question on marriage record

[pico]

But it's no more distant than 3rd cousins.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Consaguinidad question on marriage
record
From: Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, February 14, 2015 6:53 pm
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Maria Elena, it says they were blood related and that they were given dispensation to marry as there were no other impediments. It does not sate the degree of that blood relation which could have been a clerical omission.On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:00 PM, Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com wrote:On the fifth line down it talks about consaguinidad. Can you tell from this what the relationship was- it seems to say something about except for consaguinidad...  I didn't see that word on other records as standard wording.Right hand page for Antonio da Silva  http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1766-1797/SMG-PD-SAOROQUE-C-1766-1797_item1/P182.html  Thank you for looking :)  Maria Elena  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where to report a CITCEM (old NEPS) problem?

[pico]

Hi Evee,There are so many errors like that, I don't even bother.Just fix it in your own records and move on.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where to report a CITCEM (old NEPS) problem?
From: Evee Silva Kiler ejki...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, January 31, 2015 8:09 pm
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I have run into a problem with CITCEM data… There is a “wacky” CITCEM family relationship record that I have stumbled upon.  The link is: http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=SAmaro;lang=en;p=antonio+fernandes+areia;n=fagundes Parents: Antonio Fernandes Areia Fagundes  Maria Marques  Son: Antonio Fernandes Areia Fagundes The same record comes up whether you click on the father or the son… It’s like there is a “circular” error of some sort.  Supposedly son was married to Catarina das Neves in 1658. Supposedly father was married to Maria Marques in 1707, but date of 1707 can’t be correct. The CCA casamentos records are really hard for me to make out…so I’m no help to figure out how it should be. I usually can check individual CITCEM information with the church record images if I need to confirm that data is correct in CITCEM.  Bottom Line…how do I/we let the “powers that be” know about the “wacky family record” as well as the marriage discrepancy??  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Ignacio Machado e Maria de Sao Joam. Lack of parents name

[pico]

Tony,I can't say yet because I haven't finished doing it myself, but the way I would tackle this problem is first find every child in their family and it was a big family, so should really help. Then based on those findings, look for Inacio before that marriage date in the records as the witness or more likely as a padrinho himself and still single which usually means listed with his parents. That might do the trick.I think his line leads to my own ancestors, but still unproven.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Ignacio Machado e Maria de
Sao Joam. Lack of parents name
From: Anthony Soares asoaresph...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, February 01, 2015 10:45 pm
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Hey Doug, Yeah been looking at one of those upgrades, but have some other priorities that have dibs on funds right now. Regards TonyOn Sunday, February 1, 2015 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-8, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:For one thing, I would seriously consider getting the Y-111 DNA test, but if not that immediately get at least the Y-67 DNA test and find someone to help you figure out your Terminal SNP. That's way easier said than done (admins for R-M269 are not helpful).At least that way you will be prepared in case another comes along who matches and allows you to jump past this barrier.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Ignacio Machado e Maria de Sao Joam. Lack of parents name From: Anthony Soares asoare...@gmail.com Date: Sun, February 01, 2015 6:14 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Hello all,I am curious as to the lack of parents for the Groom and lack of the listing as Exposto. I am guessing since no Pais are listed he probably was exposto and possibly raised in an Orphanage. Your thoughts.Thank You.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1705-1750/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1705-1750_item1/P73.htmlRegardsAnthony  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Ignacio Machado e Maria de Sao Joam. Lack of parents name

[pico]

For one thing, I would seriously consider getting the Y-111 DNA test, but if not that immediately get at least the Y-67 DNA test and find someone to help you figure out your Terminal SNP. That's way easier said than done (admins for R-M269 are not helpful).At least that way you will be prepared in case another comes along who matches and allows you to jump past this barrier.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento, Ignacio Machado e Maria de Sao
Joam. Lack of parents name
From: Anthony Soares asoaresph...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, February 01, 2015 6:14 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hello all,I am curious as to the lack of parents for the Groom and lack of the listing as Exposto. I am guessing since no Pais are listed he probably was exposto and possibly raised in an Orphanage. Your thoughts.Thank You.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1705-1750/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1705-1750_item1/P73.htmlRegardsAnthony  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Boaventura/Ventura

[pico]

Yea, Paul.Boaventura is the full spelling and Ventura is the short form.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Boaventura/Ventura
From: Paul pagome...@comcast.net
Date: Sat, January 31, 2015 9:55 am
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After locating my 4x ggrandfagther's baptimso and casamento recordsI turned my attention to his wife Barbara Jacintha. I believe I found her and a sister'sbaptismorecords. I have their parentsrecorded as Boaventura Joze  Francisca Roza. On the records it lists the father as Ventura Jose. According to Google translate Boaventura Joze is Bonaventure Joseph. Before anyone mentions it, I know that the maternal grandfathers names are different (it has been added to my 'to do' research list) and there are two different spellings of the paternal grandfathers surname. On Barbara's baptismo it looks like Braga, but on Rita's it's spelled Bragua.Barbara's baptismo record (top left):http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_item1/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_JPG/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_0031.jpgRita's(?) (bottom left):http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_item1/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_JPG/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-B-1796-1802_0095.jpgMaybe Boaventura went by Ventura since 'Boa' translates to 'Good'.Paul G.  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa passport c. 1883

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he group filter and various ISPs, I know it will get to you). Kathy Cardoza will post it on the Azores GenWeb. I just sent it to her and I don't know her plans this weekend, so it may be a few days before she gets it upload. I'll post that link when it is available.  Hope to see many of you there! Cheri, Rosemarie, and Joao Ventura from Terceira  --  For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores.Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com: Jan 30 01:09PM -0800   Yes, I'm leaning more towards a 2 hour session on DNA. Cheri   --  Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaRosemarie Capodicci rcap...@gmail.com: Jan 30 04:21PM -0800   Just for everyone's FYI, the airfares are way down from last year. Last year I paid $280 round-trip from San Jose CA, this year I can get a round-trip, non-stop for $151 and change! That's a big drop in airfare. I didn't check other except Oakland CA and it was about the same, just a few $$ cheaper than San Jose.  Rosemarie rcap...@gmail.com Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily mnk kamis...@comcast.net: Jan 30 04:38PM -0800   Cheri, I would love to attend this year. Can you send me more info and registration please? I will work on taking time off from work. Thanks, Maria NataliaCheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com: Jan 30 05:24PM -0800   Maria Natalia,  I'll go to your personal email.   --  Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaBack to top Unusual name: Fragano or prajano  Dano dpai...@gmail.com: Jan 29 10:00PM -0800   Maria Elena, the child's given name is Prajano, The father's name is  Mathias Jose da Silveira from the parish of Nossa Senhora da Piedade, ilha  do Pico); the mother's name is Maria Adelaide da Silva Lima of the parish  of Apostolo Sao Pedro, Ponta Delgada, resident on Rua da Calheta. I  wouldn't lend weight to the names on the other documents unless there is  evidence that your ancestor actually used the names mentioned therein.  On Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 10:55:08 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com: Jan 29 10:21PM -0800   Prajano? I googled it. I got a place in Italy. Is there a Saint Prajano? Is there a meaning to this name, or is it just a name.  Maria Elena, I guess I'd be thrilled too! Not your usual group of expected names!   Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaMaria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com: Jan 30 06:47AM -0600   Wow- "Prajano". It is then! Thank you.   Sent from my iPhone mances man...@gmail.com: Jan 30 05:10AM -0800   Maria,  It's Trajano. See the difference between the T from Trajano and the P from  Piedade on the record.  Trajano is a given name in portuguese, I never saw Prajano.  Manoel  Em sexta-feira, 30 de janeiro de 2015 10:47:42 UTC-2, Maria escreveu:Maria Lima maria.lima...@gmail.com: Jan 30 08:54AM -0600   Oh- Manuel- thank you- that makes sense. In the 1900 US Census the transcriber wrote "Terajean" now I can see how Trajano could look like Terajean- if I stretch it. Also- I can see how he would go by John as he grew up in boston.   I LOVE the wonderful people on this list- you are so helpful.   Sent from my iPhone Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com: Jan 30 09:34AM -0800   Manoel,  So is the Portuguese name Trajano from what we would say as Trajan in English? The Roman emperor? Because Roman  Latin makes much better sense to me than a place in Italy!  Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achadamances man...@gmail.com: Jan 30 09:55AM -0800   Hi Cheri,  Yes, it is the name of the Roman emperor.  Manoel  Em sexta-feira, 30 de janeiro de 2015 15:34:44 UTC-2, Cheri Mello escreveu:Back to top   You received this digest because you're subscribed to updates for this group. You can change your settings on the group membership page. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.--  For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, lo

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Francisco Pereira de Faria

[pico]

Looks right, Edna.And the one you can't make out is their filho Jose, aged 4 years. Also looks like son Carlos aged 3, and a Maria aged 20 months.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] RE: Francisco Pereira de Faria
From: "Edna Epps" dave-e...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, January 30, 2015 9:25 pm
To: "Azores Genalogy Group" azores@googlegroups.com

Could someone help me read the top record on this Passport page: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1908-1920_item1/P60.html  I can read most of it except who Francisco was traveling with. I think it’s his wife Anna Pereira Faria and maybe brother Jose ..but not sure what it says after that. I think this is my grandfather’s brother .   Thank you,   Edna Lemos Eppsdave-e...@comcast.net  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports

[pico]

Just departures, Mike.Obviously, now is your chance to confirm what I found on your Cedros ancestor to remove any last doubts.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports
From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, January 03, 2015 8:32 am
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do the records keep track of just outgoing or do they do incoming as well?On Saturday, January 3, 2015 10:29:12 AM UTC-5, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:In case of interest, the Horta records are online. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports

[pico]

It's hard to say, Mike.I would look for that one, too.My grandfather departed for Brasil three times and I found all of them in the passports for Terceira. And then a fourth entry departing to the USA.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA passports
From: Mike mgilfilia...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, January 03, 2015 8:57 am
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Now since I know my relative went home with his new wife and daughter and I have them returning here in NY would that departure be recorded or just the first time when he left originally?  





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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA passports

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In case of interest, the Horta records are online.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES

[pico]

Yes, that appears to be the same article - or I should say book with nearly 300 pages - All in Spanish.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA STUDY AZORES
From: "luiznoia ." noblankt...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, January 02, 2015 12:34 pm
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Antonio,I beleive this is report here. I do not have a translated versionEric EdgarOn Fri, Jan 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com wrote:Does anyone have access to the full text version of this study?  http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S053151310501647X  Antonio  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA question

[pico]

Hello Ally,You will likely have no trouble getting a positive result.And even if you don't, then just create a Gedmatch account for all test kits and compare that way.If one of the probable matches falls below the minimum threshold of 7cM, then you can still get lower levels to show.It could be due to certain segments staying large as "sticky segments" but it is very common to show a link between people that are born in the 1950s and common ancestors from the 1650s and earlier. You can see that's 300 years.Sometimes it's because one of the two who tested have two lines to these common ancestors (because of cousin marriages). This has happened to me many times with other matches.Chances are that your test subjects will show as closer than they really are.If anyone wants a $25 coupon on Y-DNA testing, I still have one I couldn't find anyone to use. Just a few hours left before it expires.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Link to New DNA study done in mainland Portugal

[pico]

Maybe you can contact one of the authors directly?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Link to New DNA study done in mainland
Portugal
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, November 26, 2014 6:53 pm
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It really is too bad that they charge $31.50 to have online access to the full text for 24 hours. I would love to read the findings but that price is a bit steep. A.Faria On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:42:46 PM UTC-8, A Faria wrote:HiThis is an Abstract on Portuguese mitochondrial DNA genetic diversity just came out within the last week or so.http://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973%2814%2900220-8/abstractAntonio Faria  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting Family Finder Match Didn't Expect This One DNA Never Fails to Surprise!

[pico]

Maybe this is what you are already implying, but what about this possible scenario?Someone from Pico moves to Macau, married a local and someone ends up in Vietnam.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Interesting Family Finder Match Didn't
Expect This One DNA Never Fails to Surprise!
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 25, 2014 4:23 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Mara,Thanks for your input, I am aware of the role of the Portuguese explorers and the historical connections between Pico and Macau two of the Bishops from Macau were from Pico and also of the trade of Asian slaves in Continental Portugal mostly form China and Southern Japan, during the sixteenth centuries. But I have been unable to find any documentation on Pico or the Azores in general of Asian slaves. I do however remember reading about the island of Madeira of someone owning twelve Asian Indian slaves. Yes actually you did help, I am unaware of connections between Vietnam and Portugal but like you implied it is quite possible someone of mixed Chinese Portuguese ancestry may have moved from Macau to Vietnam.A.Faria 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria baptism

[pico]

Herb,I would start with the assumption she could be as young as 15. While searching for her, also look for any of her siblings. You are bound to find some.Boa sorte.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria baptism
From: Herb and Judi Silva herbandj...@verizon.net
Date: Fri, October 24, 2014 1:57 pm
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IfI'm reading thiscorrectly, the recordon the right, my Francisco Raposo married Umbellina Franciscaon 11 July 1802 in Sao Jose, and he was baptized in NS da Assuncao inisland of Santa Maria. I will need to do some double and triple checking, but this is likely my first ancestor born outside Sao Miguel with the exception of some from Terceira. Anyway,this means that he was likely born in 1770 or late 1769, whichwould be more or less(mais ou menos)32 years from 1802. So I checked every record in Matriz da NS da Assuncao from 1765 to 1774 3 timesand came up empty. Should I check other villages in the only concelho in that island. Just wondering if maybe there was some event there involving the parishesand baptisms were actually recorded somewhere else?Thanks, Herbhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1796-1805/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1796-1805_item1/P108.html  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal

[pico]

Antonio,I share your goal.I spent last night writing an article about this conversation and topic. I will submit it to a Portuguese newspaper and hope they decide to use it. That will surely help our cause.I can send you the article if you like.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to
Mainland Portugal
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 8:58 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

My goal Doug is through DNA to obtain clues about the ancestral Village, Town or City of my ancestors prior to settling in the Azores I predict interest will increase in this area and there will be some format to share and discuss this information with others that are interested. I have some good clues already that indicate that my direct paternal ancestor that settled on Pico in the 1500's was from Porto, it is important that more people of Azorean ancestry test to give us more clues but we will get a clearer picture when more Portuguese from the Mainland testOn Saturday, October 18, 2014 5:33:01 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Antonio,Your point is excellent.I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact.Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test.The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal

[pico]

Congratulations on your affiliate status, Joao.I do hope it helps to generate both the money it takes to run a website and especially to get more people in Portugal to test their DNA.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to
Mainland Portugal
From: João_Ventura j...@venturas.org
Date: Sun, October 19, 2014 2:16 pm
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Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Hi all,I may also help with my side of the plan.. Those that use tombo.pt must have seen the FTDNA link that I recently added to the left sidebar in the site. I'm an affiliate of FTDNA, meaning that any sales lead that I generate will earn me 5% of the 'sale'. That is, if you buy a test in FTDNA after following that link, and that test costs you $100, FTDNA pays me $5. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal

[pico]

Hi Antonio,Maybe you can clarify your question, but I know some have tested who have both Y and autosomal DNA coming from the mainland and whose ancestor was living in the Azores. But the person I'm thinking of was born in the middle 1800s.Maybe you are talking about end of line ancestors from the 1500s who then link to someone on the mainland and so far, for me, the answer is no.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland
Portugal
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 18, 2014 12:07 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I have taken several DNA tests mtDNA, Y-DNA and myOrigins and lack matches to mainland Portugal. I match one person from Lisbon through myOrigins but she has a verified Pereira ancestor from Castelo Branco, Faial born about 1700. My mtDNA(T2b-T16296C!) and Y-DNA(J-M319) sub-haplogroups however are also uncommon and myOrigins really wasn't designed to connect people that share a common ancestor 15-20 generations ago. My question is does anyone on this list have significant DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal?  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to Mainland Portugal

[pico]

Antonio,Your point is excellent.I have a cousin of a cousin by marriage (if you can follow that one!) who did Y-DNA testing and has no matches from his mainland Portuguese ancestry. Of course, it's no surprise. But if we are to have any chance at finding family connections to mainland people, DNA is the only way. I will point this out in the Portuguese Genealogy group on Facebook, where we have about 250 or so members and growing (but not growing as fast as the Azores group) and I think it could have some impact.Similarly, I recently was invited to join a Facebook group of people with Madalena, Pico ancestry and found I am related to them all (over 100 members of that group) and slowly working on convincing them to test.The answer is always to get more to test, so that's what I work on.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA matches that link the Azores to
Mainland Portugal
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 18, 2014 3:54 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

That's too bad about the Portugal DNA project, I realize that the biggest chunk of FTDNA samples are from North America there is a good sized Continental Portuguese community in the US in New Jersey, New York . There is a lot of potential samples there.  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealog Records and Cursive Writing

[pico]

That day when a computer can read cursive might be closer than we realize.Already when we deposit checks they can read the correct amounts.And the Post Office can read hand-written addresses to automatically sort mail.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


 Original Message  On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:42 PM, João Ventura j...@venturas.org wrote:E,The solution to that will be quite simple.. Computers will be able to read cursive eventually (yes, even paleographic cursive...), and then the kids will simply ask the computer what is written on that page. We're the ones who have to slave over the records to try to read them.Unfortunately, it will still take many years for computers to advance to that stage..João C. Venturahttp://tombo.pt/en/  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano

[pico]

You will have no problem to quickly find the first two and the margin notes, if any, might help you find the others.Liandre is not a Portuguese name, nor any name I've seen.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo,
Furtado,Caetano
From: Erin Smith esmith1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, October 15, 2014 9:44 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38:36 PM UTC-4, Erin Smith wrote:
 I was wondering if anyone had any info on where I could trace back my ancestors records in Sao Miguel. I don't speak Portuguese. I have some info on them. My maternal grandfather was born in 1919 in Rhode Island. His father was Manuel (possible first name) Amaral and his mother was Maria Gloria Linhares both were from Sao Miguel. My maternal grandmother was born in Rhode Island in 1920's. Her mother was Maria Melo born 1902 in Vila Franca in Sao Miguel. My grandmom's father was Manuel Furtado Caetano born 1900 in Riberia Quente, Sao Miguel.

Mary/Maria Melo was born May 13,1902 Vila Franca
Manuel Furtado Caetano born Sept. 4, 1900 Riberia Quente
Manuel/Manoel Amaral born Nov. 1, 1877 Unknown town Sao Miguel
The one I'm having the most trouble with was born Oct. 8th, 1881 in the census she has been listed as Maria Gloria Amaral , Mary Amaral and a website had her name listed as Gloria Liandre when she was married in 1912. My mom thought it was Linhares. I'm not sure if the website had Liandre as a misspelling or not.






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealog Records and Cursive Writing

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Yea, I never much thought about it as a problem. My father and his father had beautiful penmanship.I print, but in elementary school we always used cursive.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealog Records and Cursive Writing
From: Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, October 15, 2014 2:50 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com

Yes I think that is not good that they don't teach cursive. My son can't read my writing because I write half cursive and half in print. I first thought can't you read lol but the problem was they don't teach cursive. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am curious about given name Manuel

[pico]

Very interesting observation, Antonio.We sure do see some of the more unusual first names with our ancestors from the 1500s.Some of my favorites which are not really limited to the 1500s are Melchior, Baltazar, Gaspar, Bras, Amador, Gabriel, and it's not a favorite, but a curious one is Garcia as a first name, not surname.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I am curious about given name Manuel
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, October 15, 2014 4:07 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hello Everyone,I just looked through a list of the original settlers on Pico island in the Azores 100 plus men on the list written approximately 1509, there isn't a single Manuel on that list the most common name on that list is Joao there were eighteen of them. It is hard to believe that there was a time in the Azores when the given name Manuel wasn't used. Perhaps someone could verify if this was the case on the other islands. I have a hunch that the given name Manuel became popular due to King Manuel I of Portugal.  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano

[pico]

Hi Erin,Many years ago, I remember a researcher with lots of Sao Miguel ancestry who has Linhares ancestors.His came from Terceira somewhere that I don't recall, but he traced a lot of them and I can't be certain but it might include your family. It could be possible that anyone named Linhares in Sao Miguel comes from this same Terceira ancestor. It's fairly common on Terceira, though I don't personally have ancestors by that surname. The closest I come is ancestors living in a neighborhood called "Vale de Linhares" in the parish of Sao Bento, Terceira.The researcher I am thinking of was one one of these genealogy lists and might be on this one. If so, you might be in luck.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo,
Furtado,Caetano
From: Erin Smith esmith1...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, October 14, 2014 4:38 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I was wondering if anyone had any info on where I could trace back my ancestors records in Sao Miguel. I don't speak Portuguese. I have some info on them. My maternal grandfather was born in 1919 in Rhode Island. His father was Manuel (possible first name) Amaral and his mother was Maria Gloria Linhares both were from Sao Miguel. My maternal grandmother was born in Rhode Island in 1920's. Her mother was Maria Melo born 1902 in Vila Franca in Sao Miguel. My grandmom's father was Manuel Furtado Caetano born 1900 in Riberia Quente, Sao Miguel.

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gandmother's maiden name

[pico]

I think that's the family of Meredith Vieira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gandmother's maiden name
From: MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu
Date: Sun, October 12, 2014 4:23 am
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There was a portuguese family in East Providence with the last name of Rose who ran a furniture store in the 40s-50s. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gandmother's maiden name

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Interesting. I think it's a combination of Faial and Pico families. Maybe more heavily Faial, but Pico has more by that surname.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gandmother's maiden name
From: Cheryl Lawrence cheryl...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, October 12, 2014 9:08 am
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I live in New Bedford and I can tell you that when you flip open a phone book it's filled with Rose/Rosa/Da Rosa/Darosa. Very common names  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with

[pico]

I got this for myself:Comparing Kit F02 (Altai Neanderthal) and me.

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 50 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

320425403209548001.1147
1293650929942724581.6183

Largest segment = 1.6 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 2.7 cMSo Antonio, do you think it means I am related?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available
on Gedmatch that you can compare with
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 7:02 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Someone had posted this link on the FTDNA forums site one of the samples is an Altai Neanderthal approximately 50,000 years old, very interesting!http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.htmlAntonio  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with

[pico]

I am particularly interested in this one comparing to an Eskimo because of my roots in Chile.Anyone else care to compare theirs? I first tried 100 SNPs, but got way too many. I saw there were some that reached 200, so I did that and here are my results. Can anyone else get a match at 200?Comparing Kit F06 (Palaeo-Eskimo 2000 BC) and me.

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

1136138856367625731.1218
1612683398133523512.2204
1754416915566436781.5269

Largest segment = 2.2 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 4.8 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples
available on Gedmatch that you can compare with
From: p...@dholmes.com
Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 7:29 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com, "Antonio Faria" antoniof1...@gmail.com

I got this for myself:Comparing Kit F02 (Altai Neanderthal) and me.  Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs Mismatch-bunching Limit = 50 SNPs Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM  Chr  Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM)  SNPs   320425403209548001.1147 1293650929942724581.6183  Largest segment = 1.6 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 2.7 cMSo Antonio, do you think it means I am related?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 7:02 am To: azores@googlegroups.com  Someone had posted this link on the FTDNA forums site one of the samples is an Altai Neanderthal approximately 50,000 years old, very interesting!http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.htmlAntonio  -- --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with

[pico]

This man from Montana 12,500 years ago was a nice surprise. I didn't even have to lower the default SNPs.Comparing Kit F19 (Clovis Anzick-1) and me.

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 700 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 350 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

101031010471073664472.1868
1232450960389953351.3750

Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 3.4 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples
available on Gedmatch that you can compare with
From: p...@dholmes.com
Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 7:43 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com, "Antonio Faria" antoniof1...@gmail.com

I am particularly interested in this one comparing to an Eskimo because of my roots in Chile.Anyone else care to compare theirs? I first tried 100 SNPs, but got way too many. I saw there were some that reached 200, so I did that and here are my results. Can anyone else get a match at 200?Comparing Kit F06 (Palaeo-Eskimo 2000 BC) and me.  Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM  Chr  Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM)  SNPs   1136138856367625731.1218 1612683398133523512.2204 1754416915566436781.5269  Largest segment = 2.2 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 4.8 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with From: p...@dholmes.com Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 7:29 am To: azores@googlegroups.com, "Antonio Faria" antoniof1...@gmail.com  I got this for myself:Comparing Kit F02 (Altai Neanderthal) and me.  Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 100 SNPs Mismatch-bunching Limit = 50 SNPs Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM  Chr  Start Location End Location Centimorgans (cM)  SNPs   320425403209548001.1147 1293650929942724581.6183  Largest segment = 1.6 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 2.7 cMSo Antonio, do you think it means I am related?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 7:02 am To: azores@googlegroups.com  Someone had posted this link on the FTDNA forums site one of the samples is an Altai Neanderthal approximately 50,000 years old, very interesting!http://www.y-str.org/p/ancient-dna.htmlAntonio  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with

[pico]

Thanks for your opinion, Antonio.For both your statements to be right, it means there was a branch split off from that common ancestor that we now call Neanderthal and another branch that split off and we call Homo Sapiens.It might be easy to find out, but do you know what they are calling this person who is ancestor of both groups?Is it Martians? :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples
available on Gedmatch that you can compare with
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 8:05 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Doug,I am not an expert in this field by any means and this is just something I do for fun with that said I will offer my opinion I'm putting myself out on a limb but I have no fear of being wrong or criticized everyone has their own views on the theory of evolution and there is still so many questions that science has yet to answer. My personal opinion is that Homo Sapiens(modern man) and Neanderthals did not breed but share a common ancestor. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with

[pico]

Antonio, I can't help but notice the same is said by FTDNA about people who fall below their own threshold of 7cM and 700 SNPs - just noise.But if I were to compare mine to the DNA of a pine tree and still got those matches, then yes, I guess that would seem to be noise. :-)I suppose at some level, if something moves and is alive, there is going to be matching DNA to some degree.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples
available on Gedmatch that you can compare with
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 2:05 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Based on that criteria two of the matches are significant in my case the sample from Southern Germany and the sample from Luxembourg. let's keep our fingers crossed that they are true matches some questions have been raised, some believe those samples could be contaminated due to matching some some modern human samples at 10CM or above. I think that endogamy small founding populations and genetic drift could also account for some of that. There is so much to learn and the scientists are still figuring it out!On Saturday, October 11, 2014 1:43:50 PM UTC-7, A Faria wrote:Doug I have been doing some reading matches with ancient DNA are believed to be noise unless they meet the following criteria  200 SNP , and  2CM or greater. Need to meet the SNP and CM criteria. On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:21:45 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Thanks for your opinion, Antonio.For both your statements to be right, it means there was a branch split off from that common ancestor that we now call Neanderthal and another branch that split off and we call Homo Sapiens.It might be easy to find out, but do you know what they are calling this person who is ancestor of both groups?Is it Martians? :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Here are Ten ancient DNA Samples available on Gedmatch that you can compare with From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 8:05 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Cc: antoni...@gmail.com  Doug,I am not an expert in this field by any means and this is just something I do for fun with that said I will offer my opinion I'm putting myself out on a limb but I have no fear of being wrong or criticized everyone has their own views on the theory of evolution and there is still so many questions that science has yet to answer. My personal opinion is that Homo Sapiens(modern man) and Neanderthals did not breed but share a common ancestor. --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with death record

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Herb,Just a hunch, but maybe you haven't spanned out enough years after birth. I suppose some might consider 2 or 3 years still fits your description. How many years past the birth have you checked in Ponta Delgada freguesias?And I suppose it's far less likely, but is there some chance you might need to check other major locations like Ribeira Grande or Vila Franca? Are the padrinhos from some other location? If so, did you check there?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with death record
From: Herb herbandj...@verizon.net
Date: Sat, October 11, 2014 8:06 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Family tradition says that my great grandmother died giving birth or died shortly after giving birth to my gg gandafather. He was born on 22 Nov 1883 in Sao Pedro Ponta Delgada.The father was incognito.She would have been 21 when she gave birth. Her name was Maria dos Santos of Agua de Pau born 27 May 1862, daughter of Manuel dos Santos and Ricarda do Espirito Santo. They were married 11 May 1836. I have looked for many years for Maria dos Santos obituary.Because her son was born in Sao Pedro I searched there first,and all of the surrounding parishes of Sao Sebastiao and Sao Jose, Rosto do Cao etc. I also checked her village of Agua de Pau. I haven't been able to find it and not sure Iever will.Please let me know if you should come across this record or if you are related to these families?thanksHerb  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gandmother's maiden name

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The original was most likely RODRIGUES.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Gandmother's maiden name
From: amrosebalto via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, October 10, 2014 2:28 pm
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My great grandmother from Horta listed her maiden name, once she was in New Bedford, as "Rodgers." I'd love to know what the originalPortuguese name might have been.  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos

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Hi Roberta,That's very interesting that it is not found like that in Brasil.It's found like that in all the Azores. If you are familiar with the CCA images, just pick any freguesia and any obito from maybe 1800 on back (the newer ones from 1860 to 1911 don't mention this) and look at any one record to find it. If anyone on the entire page is NOT listed like that I will be surprised.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
From: robertaing...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, October 09, 2014 10:08 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Doug, I don't know what you mean by nearly 100%, it would depend a lot of the custom of the place/people. Catholics, in general, do not have this custom. Unless, as someone mentioned, the person was baptized as an adult or maybe right before dying. But I never heard of such a custom in Brazil.Roberta




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos

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Me too, JR. I never put much thought into the comments about how they were wrapped at death. Just a curiosity for me. And there's no way it is some custom taken from another religion, unless it's just a coincidence. If you read the wording on applications to the priesthood, it's a pure hatred of anything other than Catholics. It's built into the system. Even if everyone has some small percentage of Jewish, Arab, Black, Indian, etc. DNA, they converted to the "right" religion long ago and that's enough for them.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
From: JR jmro...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, October 09, 2014 5:55 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I'm with John M R, I have seen quite a few of these obitos with the same wording, and it should not be read as a Jewish or Muslim custom, even if they have their own such custom. I have only seen one reference to Jewish ancestry in all my years of researching Sao Miguel, and it was plainly stated. The people involved were more recent, the 1800's and they were from Morocco. That many of us have connections to Jewish ancestry, I have no doubt, but we cannot simply jump to conclusions without some evidence, especially in more recent times.JROn Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:53:41 PM UTC-4, Mary Bordi wrote:My GGG Grandfather died in 1829, Sao Jorge. This from his obito:seo corpo foi involto em abito de saial de uso dos religiozos de São Francisco...   His body was dressed with the habit of St. Francis...Mary   On Thursday, October 9, 2014, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy azo...@googlegroups.com wrote:I think we need to be careful about reading too much into burial in a white shroud. I have seen some death records that state the deceased was buried in a white shroud (usually a bed sheet /lençol: "she was wrapped in a bed sheet because she had nothing else in which to be buried...") because they simply were so poor they had nothing but rags to wear. I also think that sometimes, providing the deceased with a full set of clothes might have been a luxury, especially if you had a lot of children, some of whom approaching adolesence, who could really benefit from the "hand me downs." 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Howland

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I suspect his father would be pai incognito if you can't find him. He may even be an exposto.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Howland
From: "'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy" azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Tue, October 07, 2014 10:39 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com

George,Do you have access to Ancestry ? There are some records pertaining to Captain William Roberto Garcia Howland and his wife Sarah A. Simmonds. Also, if I remember correctly you live in New England, so you are probably aware that Howland is a Mayflower name. You can check with the Pilgrim John Howland Society or The New England Historic and Genealogical Society to see if they have the answer.Sorry, I can't be of more help. But, if you ever connect to John Howland, then I'd be interested. I descend from him through his daughter Desire.GayleOn Oct 7, 2014, at 9:49 PM, George Pacheco bretanha1...@gmail.com wrote:Has anyone heard the name William Robert Garcia Howland born 1820 ain Faial I have looked in all 13 villages and did not find a baptism vote for him yet his citizen papers say that he was born in Faial  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

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On behalf of Freddy Garcia, here are his comparisons:Comparing FATHER and F16 (Linearbandkeramik)Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 700 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 350 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

21271602411304476003.8830
384790630975230822.11140
1159608654624569353.4735

Largest segment = 3.8 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 9.3 cMComparing Kit F342939 MOTHER and F16 (Linearbandkeramik)

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 700 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 350 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

349250832538486181.5734
1387101034907433783.1704

Largest segment = 3.1 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 4.5 cMComparing Kit F15 (La Braña-Arintero) and MOTHER

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

127042071298018481.9349
11678475091695191931.9391
51421642311428159411.2202
51538547111564325592.0320
634261419355737641.0261
1480074893814835391.2206
17436883955204612.5255
1918193984196683401.5229

Largest segment = 2.5 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 13.1 cMComparing FATHER and F15 (La Braña-Arintero)

Minimum threshold size to be included in total = 200 SNPs
Mismatch-bunching Limit = 100 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 1.0 cM




 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

129836596305598141.5252
131937646337603651.2249
238153360394583801.1206
443832155468704571.3200
61308315001321349421.2214
10863137598849702.2214
1083955328855736171.7240
11528970063222802.3311
1220766653214468491.2259
1724510799269450531.0216
1730610841322117641.8237

Largest segment = 2.3 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 16.6 cMBoth of Freddy's parents were born in Candelaria, Pico.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Machado da Rocha in Ribeirinha, Terceira

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Hi Helen,Speaking of Machado da Rocha in Ribeirinha, I noticed one of particular interest.He was Vice-Vigario Sebastiao Machado da Rocha e Silveira in Ribeirinha, Terceira in 1837.But I see I already have him in my records and he was from a different Machado da Rocha family in Altares.That one created the Machado da Rocha surname combo from different ancestors than did yours.He was serving in Ribeirinha for most of his life.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
From: hisalv via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Fri, October 03, 2014 3:48 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

 Nancy I don't know if he has any Sao Miguel ancestors. I have never research that island for any. As for Joe's, Salvador da Rocha, their GGrand parents were from Piedade, Pico. The name was Domingos Vieira and MariaPereira. Records don't go back far enough to find anything about them. Helen S. Fremont, CA   -Original Message- From: Nancy Couto nvcouto...@gmail.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 7:42 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880Doug, is Salvador Machado da Rocha a descendant of Pedro Esteves Rocha e Machado (or da Rocha Machado--I've seen it both ways) who was born in Viana do Castelo and came to Sao Miguel by way of Madeira after committing a murder in Portugal. He was given land in Agua d'Alto, fertile land between two volcanos, and he became very wealthy. He is my 15th great-grandfather. I descend from his son Afonso Anes da Rocha Machado, and I know I read somewhere, probably in Saudades da Terra, that his other children went to other islands and were fruitful and multiplied. At least one son went to Terceira.   Helen, I have a Family Finder match with Joseph Antone Salvador at the 5th to remote cousin level. This could be the link. I note that he has Bonito and Couto on his list of surnames. Bonito is the alcunha of my Couto family. Does Joseph have any links to Sao Miguel?   I have to get back to Gaspar Frutuoso and see what I can figure out. My reading knowledge of Portuguese is good enough for vital records and menus, but Saudades da Terra is slow going.   Nancy On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:22 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:   Helen and Anthony,   And there's more.   Francisca married to her 2nd cousin, once removed and their common ancestors are Salvador Machado da Rocha, whose first name is the origin for your husband's surname! So not only is Francisca your cousin, but so is her husband. :-)   One more thing I noticed at a glance. Anthony is related to another list member, Doreen Caetano Jungk by some common Canto ancestors from around the 1800 time frame. And I'm related to Doreen and to your husband.   One could get dizzy from all that.   Actually, I believe Anthony said these are his wife's ancestors.Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico  Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880 From: hisalv via Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 4:23 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com  Antonio, After the name after Jose da Rocha Machado is Salvador, his wife is Maria da Esperanca. They are my husband's Great Grandparents.  Helen Salvador Fremont, CA   -Original Message- From: Anthony Martin anthonyamarti...@gmail.com To: azores azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 11:40 am Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880   On the bottom right of record 24 on pagehttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P9.htmlshows the name Jose de Rocha, but I can't make out what it says immediately after the name. Also, entry number 2 in the margin appears to read that she died on 11/20/1960, but I can't quite make out the month. On the following page it shows that something happened on 06-25-1982, but I can't read the writing to make out what it says. I think it says that the birth record was requested on that date, but I'm not exactly sure.   Would someone be able to help with these records? --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente, 1813

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Very informative, Eliseu.If this were Facebook, I would be looking for the "like" button. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Furtado, death, Ribeira Quente,
1813
From: "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" eliseuman...@gmail.com
Date: Mon, October 06, 2014 11:05 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

In S. Miguel there are two private Hospitals. There are three big Hospital in the main Islands (S. Miguel, Terceira and Faial). Each Concelho has a facility that deals with primary care. The main hospital is in S. Miguel. When someone needs it we go to the main land.In old times almost every big city had a hospital, The Hospital da Misericórdia. At those times these facilities were run by the Catholic Church. The “Main Doctor” was pointed out by the King and was paid by the Câmara Municipal. The Ponta Delgada Main Hospital, The Hospital da Santa Casa da Misericórdia de Ponta Delgada was only nationalized in 1974, when the democratic revolution was held against the dictatorship of Salazar. A new modern building was built around the 1990 decade… The old building, a very pretty one in Campo de S. Francisco was given back to the Misericórdia property.New facilities are being built to held the primary care (We call it Urgent Care and day by day care).… this is what I can tell you by heart!  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

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My setting was the default 700 SNPs for Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16So I ran my wife and godmother again, because they didn't match at that level.Slovak wife, I had to drop to 500 SNPs:


 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

817674299185019591.8506
11486963357660532.2522
1125232451271831671.7508
1157672256602879221.7556
1458681458612917361.5507
1545377903480009822.5584
1750373551521678703.5501

Largest segment = 3.5 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 14.8 cMItalian godmother, I was able to get matches at 600 SNPs:


 Chr 
Start Location
End Location
Centimorgans (cM)
 SNPs 

225455814286154852.1612
655297441636085202.0636
885194656896849712.1644
1220776581220412062.0653
1540232846440880851.9668
1569693863732521041.9670

Largest segment = 2.1 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 12.1 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:47 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Very interesting Doug, was your SNP setting at 300 or at 700 which is the default. Do any of them match the La-Brana-Arintero sample?On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:18:11 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:For my father, he matches the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16 on three Chromosomes.Largest segment = 2.7 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 6.3 cMI also match on 3 Chr:Largest segment = 4.7 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 8.7 cMSince I have German ancestors from my mother, that probably explains why I have a larger segment and larger total than my father. But just for sure, I ran my 1st cousin on my mother's side and got a match:Largest segment = 2.6 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 4.9 cMMaybe my larger total comes from a combination from both of my parents.So I then ran a 2nd cousin who has a large percentage of Hispanic ancestry and none of my German, but shares my Hungarian (which my 1st cousin also has):Largest segment = 4.3 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 6.9 cMMy Slovak wife has no match, so it's not all Europeans carrying that DNA.My godmother has all Italian ancestry and she is also unrelated.One of my 1st cousins who shares all my paternal Portuguese ancestry and has the rest of his Portuguese ancestry coming from Madeira has matches on 4 Chr:Largest segment = 3.3 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 11.0 cMThis cousin's sibling has less:Largest segment = 4.2 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 7.2 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

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Did you see how many matches kit F16 has at default settings?The top matches are amazing. I have to read that article.There are no matches by anyone for kit F15 at default settings. You have to drop to 5cM and there is only one match:
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TypeList
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largest cM
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largest cM

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			M462610
			V3
			L
			
			
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U5a1a
R1b1b2a1a1

			
			A5.2
5.2
7.7

			
			X
			0
			0
Elizabeth Wilson
elwrenn@yahoo.comDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:47 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Very interesting Doug, was your SNP setting at 300 or at 700 which is the default. Do any of them match the La-Brana-Arintero sample?On Saturday, October 4, 2014 10:18:11 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:For my father, he matches the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16 on three Chromosomes.Largest segment = 2.7 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 6.3 cMI also match on 3 Chr:Largest segment = 4.7 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 8.7 cMSince I have German ancestors from my mother, that probably explains why I have a larger segment and larger total than my father. But just for sure, I ran my 1st cousin on my mother's side and got a match:Largest segment = 2.6 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 4.9 cMMaybe my larger total comes from a combination from both of my parents.So I then ran a 2nd cousin who has a large percentage of Hispanic ancestry and none of my German, but shares my Hungarian (which my 1st cousin also has):Largest segment = 4.3 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 6.9 cMMy Slovak wife has no match, so it's not all Europeans carrying that DNA.My godmother has all Italian ancestry and she is also unrelated.One of my 1st cousins who shares all my paternal Portuguese ancestry and has the rest of his Portuguese ancestry coming from Madeira has matches on 4 Chr:Largest segment = 3.3 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 11.0 cMThis cousin's sibling has less:Largest segment = 4.2 cM Total of segments  1 cM = 7.2 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 9:50 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com Cc: antoni...@gmail.com  Sorry about that Doug the correct # is F16.On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:08 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.Can you double check the number?I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do it for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match everyone with European ancestry.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on Chromosome 13 and SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian Peninsula.A.Faria  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 Ribeirinha, Terceira)

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Hi Roger,Yes, we are distant cousins from the line you describe. And I need to look over the other lines you mentioned to see how else we could be related.About Miranda, to really know more answers you should get DNA testing. I know this is not your direct paternal line, so you will have to rely on the help of others (like we all must) to learn more.And there is no guarantee the father of your oldest Miranda was himself from this family. It could easily come from his mother's side.As you would expect, it is most important for you to pay attention to anyone named Miranda from Ribeirinha in the 1600s because maybe the next older generation also came from there. But I can also tell you that a great many named Miranda come from Graciosa before they appear in Terceira.Plus, those from Graciosa could actually be from Sao Miguel before that, but I just say that because I know it's very old there, too. John Miranda Raposo on this list has this family from Bretanha, Sao Miguel and I know he's traced it back as far as the records allow which is surely into the 1600s like yourself, but maybe even much further.On Terceira, there is the noble family of Pamplona Miranda that could be where your family links.There is a priest using the name Machado Miranda born somewhere around 1600, maybe in Terceira, serving in Angra. That could certainly be a possible link.As I look over all named Miranda from Terceira currently in my database, I think I know the answer for you. There is a great chance, maybe even a likelihood, that you do connect to this noble Pamplona family and the answer as to the first is likely Leonor Gomes de Miranda born in Porto on the mainland, married to Goncalo Alvares Pamplona also from Porto who brought his family to Terceira, or maybe some or all his children were born in Terceira and they used Pamplona de Miranda a lot of times and from many branches of his descendants in the 1500s and later. At some point, Machado was introduced into your family from a spouse and became Machado de Miranda.I think maybe your branch might connect to this noble branch sometime in the 1500s.In any case, what I currently know about the Ribeirinha branch is that your ancestor is the trunk of all named Miranda in Ribeirinha. This tells me there is a decent chance he himself came from elsewhere, like maybe Angra where there are several earlier people named Miranda.This by no means is my final conclusion. I will continue to do more search into all the earliest families of Terceira, but that's what the information is currently leading me to believe.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683
Ribeirinha, Terceira)
From: Roger hsphot...@comcast.net
Date: Sun, October 05, 2014 6:18 pm
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Cc: hsphot...@comcast.net

Hi Doug,I am sure you are correct, as I said in my email reply, Joao Jose Miranda married Agada Evangelho Leonardo on October 16, 1785 in Ribeirinha. His father was Antonio Machado Miranda born December 1713 in Ribeirinha. Her father was Joao Concalves Leonardo, born on November 1,1721 in Ribeirinha. My Miranda male ancestors born after their marriage including my grandmother's father Joao were named Concalves Miranda.My goal is to identify the first Miranda to reside on Terceira and where he was from.RogerOn Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:20:51 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Hi Roger,With a recent Ribeirinha ancestor like you have, you are probably related to a great many of us.I high percentage of the people from this village have ancestors named Goncalves Leonardo and if you are one of them, then I too am a distant relative. Of course, these are going to be maternal lines, not your Miranda line from your grandmother Miranda.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 Ribeirinha, Terceira) From: Roger hsph...@comcast.net Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:49 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Hi HelenThanks for your reply, I was looking for information on ancestors prior to Matheu Machado de Miranda's "married to Margrida Alves ". Who was his father and where and when did the first Miranda come to the Azores and from where.  However I appreciate your reply. My grandmother on my mother's side was Izauria Miranda who immigrated to California from Ribeirinha, Terceira in 1909. I must be distant relative to your husband, probably a seventh or eighth cousin.Roger  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683 Ribeirinha, Terceira)

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Hi Roger,With a recent Ribeirinha ancestor like you have, you are probably related to a great many of us.I high percentage of the people from this village have ancestors named Goncalves Leonardo and if you are one of them, then I too am a distant relative. Of course, these are going to be maternal lines, not your Miranda line from your grandmother Miranda.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Matheu Machado Miranda (born 1683
Ribeirinha, Terceira)
From: Roger hsphot...@comcast.net
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 10:49 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi HelenThanks for your reply, I was looking for information on ancestors prior to Matheu Machado de Miranda's "married to Margrida Alves ". Who was his father and where and when did the first Miranda come to the Azores and from where.  However I appreciate your reply. My grandmother on my mother's side was Izauria Miranda who immigrated to California from Ribeirinha, Terceira in 1909. I must be distant relative to your husband, probably a seventh or eighth cousin.Roger  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

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I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.Can you double check the number?I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do it for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match everyone with European ancestry.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on Chromosome 13 and SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian Peninsula.A.Faria 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

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For my father, he matches the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F16 on three Chromosomes.Largest segment = 2.7 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 6.3 cMI also match on 3 Chr:Largest segment = 4.7 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 8.7 cMSince I have German ancestors from my mother, that probably explains why I have a larger segment and larger total than my father. But just for sure, I ran my 1st cousin on my mother's side and got a match:Largest segment = 2.6 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 4.9 cMMaybe my larger total comes from a combination from both of my parents.So I then ran a 2nd cousin who has a large percentage of Hispanic ancestry and none of my German, but shares my Hungarian (which my 1st cousin also has):Largest segment = 4.3 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 6.9 cMMy Slovak wife has no match, so it's not all Europeans carrying that DNA.My godmother has all Italian ancestry and she is also unrelated.One of my 1st cousins who shares all my paternal Portuguese ancestry and has the rest of his Portuguese ancestry coming from Madeira has matches on 4 Chr:Largest segment = 3.3 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 11.0 cMThis cousin's sibling has less:Largest segment = 4.2 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 7.2 cMDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero
sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 9:50 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: antoniof1...@gmail.com

Sorry about that Doug the correct # is F16.On Saturday, October 4, 2014 9:37:08 PM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:I tried to compare, but this kit F116 is said not to exist.Can you double check the number?I'll run a comparison with me and also my father. Just for fun, I'll do it for my wife, because you never know with someone so old he could match everyone with European ancestry.Obrigado,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old From: A Faria antoni...@gmail.com Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 5:53 pm To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Interesting I used the same setting for the Linearbandkeramik sample Kit # F116 and matched much closer. He was a farmer found in Stuttgart Germany that lived 7,500 years ago I match with him 251.8CM, total 5.4CM on Chromosome 13 and SNP at 719. Wow never would have expected that I match an ancient DNA sample from Germany much closer than one from the Iberian Peninsula.A.Faria --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old

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One of my 1st cousins with also Madeira ancestry:I had to reduce the SNPs to 200 to get some matches. And there were too many matches if I reduced to 100 SNPs:Largest segment = 2.5 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 11.5 cMBut their sibling was able to match once with a 400 SNP setting, though I ran it at 300:Largest segment = 1.7 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 2.9 cMMy Italian godmother:Largest segment = 1.4 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 1.4 cMSlovak wife:Largest segment = 3.7 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 7.7 cMMaternal 1st cousin Germany/Hungary is no match at 300 SNP, but when reduced to 200:Largest segment = 2.8 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 19.8 cM2nd cousin - Hungary/Mexico/Canary Is:Largest segment = 3.0 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 3.0 cMMy father:Largest segment = 1.7 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 4.4 cMMyself:Largest segment = 1.1 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 1.1 cMSince my maternal side seems to have a match at 200 SNP like my above 1st cousin Germany/Hungary, I ran it again at 200 SNP:Largest segment = 2.2 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 16.8 cMAnd I ran my father's again at that setting:Largest segment = 3.9 cM
Total of segments  1 cM = 14.5 cMSo my total is higher than my father and this additional amount is coming from my Germany/Hungary ancestry.Now I have to read the articles. Thanks for such a fascinating discovery.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] I Share DNA with the Brana-Arintero sample
from Leon, Spain which is about 7000 years old
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, October 04, 2014 3:55 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Everyone,I was reading Roberta Estes newest post about new ancient DNA samples being added to Gedmatch one of them really caught my interest the La Brana-Arintero sample from Leon, Spain(Nortwest Spain near Northern Portugal, it is about 7,000 years old. The Kit number on Gedmatch is F15 anyway I compared my kit and my fathers kit to the La Brana-Arintero sample by reducing the CM setting to 1 and SNP to 300 for comparison. My father matches the La Brana-Arintero sample 1.7 CM on Chromosome 1 and I match it on Chr 6,16, and 17 between 1.1-1.3 CM. This was very exciting perhaps some other people will also match and share the results on this thread.Here is an article on the Dieneke's Anthropology Blog on the La Brana-Arintero.http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/06/mesolithic-iberians-la-brana-arintero.html 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

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Thanks, Nancy.I would have been shocked if you had successfully bridged the gap. I don't think it will be possible.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
From: Nancy Couto nvcouto...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, October 03, 2014 9:09 am
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com

Doug, no I haven't found the link. I was hoping maybe you or someone else had. I haven't done any research in Terceira records and am not familiar with Forjaz's book. I was just raising the connection as a possibility, since I match Joseph Salvador at the 5th-to-remote-cousin level on Family Finder. If I learn anything conclusive, I'll let you and Helen know.NancyOn Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 11:18 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:Hi Nancy,I know Forjaz assumes the Rocha families of Terceira are descendants, but shows little to no proof of anything.It surely might be true, but are you saying you found the link between this Salvador and your 15th great grandfather? There are at least 5-7 missing generations by my calculation. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880

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Hi Anthony,As we discussed in private, what I wrote about your connection to Helen Salvador's husband Joe and Doreen Caetano Jungk is not right because those aren't your wife's ancestors you found.I'll have to look at these other people you mention because I can't remember who right now, but there is someone I know either on this list or elsewhere who has Jaques ancestors.Do you have your own Terceira ancestors named Martins?There is a whole lot of cousin marriages throughout the Azores and certainly no less of them in Ribeirinha. Because of that it gives a false impression when you do DNA tests like Family Finder. It doubles up DNA levels and makes it look like people who are 5th cousins are estimated as 2nd or 3rd cousins.As for your Parreira name itself, you can imagine how it can be confused with the far more common name of Pereira, so look carefully when you find it to be sure you don't get the wrong people. Lucky for you, Pereira is not nearly as common in Ribeirinha as Parreira. It shows up in many of the Terceira village records and is quite an old name. I wonder what Jorge Forjaz and Antonio Mendes say about their origins in the Genealogias da Ilha Terceira. It would surely be listed because there are some noble lines and higher status families who used it. I have not made any final conclusions about it as far as origins, but I can tell you Ribeirinha is where they are mostly found. Many of the earliest named Parreira used the combination Fernandes Parreira and there are plenty using Luis Parreira, plus there are Gonçalves Parreira, Vaz Parreira, Soares Parreira and Machado Parreira.The earliest I have found so far is Sebastião Álvares Parreira who was born about 1580 by my current estimate. I will likely find some who are older as I more thoroughly scour the oldest existing records of the 1500s. Unfortunately, Ribeirinha records are not that old and so there are gaps and presumed connections, etc. pending further documentation.Three people, at least, reached the military rank of Alferes who were born in the 1600s. One of them is the ancestor of your wife. She has two Parreira lines, maybe four (two unconfirmed). At least one Parreira reached the level of Capitao, a relative to your wife.Finally, you were impressed at the mention of ancestors from the 1500s, but that's something pretty common for Terceira because some villages have records that far back. Your wife has at least some branches in her tree that go back that far, and in fact into the 1400s. But most with Ribeirinha ancestors can at least trace them back into the middle or late 1600s. I have several branches of Ribeirinha ancestors stuck in the various decades of the 1600s, a total of 7 currently identified as from there in the 1500s and 1600s.So you have some exciting facts to discover.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisca Parreira 01/19/1880
From: Anthony Martin anthonyamarti...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 10:23 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Doug,You are correct in that I'm searching for my wife's ancestors, but I'm still not sure if I'm looking at the correct people. :)I only received a couple dozen names and the earliest date I've confirmed so far is 11/21/1860 for an Aniceto Luiz Parreira.Interesting information you provided! My wife's family has a similar situation. Her grandparents Jose Luiz Parreira Married his cousin Dolores Castro Jaques. They were cousins through each of their mothers whom were sisters; Francisca Rosa Cardosa Jaques and Maria Rosa Jaques.  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family Search

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Damn, they never revealed the identity of the pai incognito.The mother probably followed him to Braga from Flores.What happened in Fajazinha stays in FajaznihaDoug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genere file (priest application) on Family
Search
From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Fri, October 03, 2014 7:25 pm
To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com

Dick Eastman gets the updates from Family Search. The other day, Family Search uploaded more records. Montana, Ohio, Philippines, etc. Then it listed Portugal and said Priest Applications! But for Braga. I looked anyways, and I found a priest from Flores. Not too sure what it all says, but maybe one of you can figure it out.http://goo.gl/SPUQxy  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Luiz Parreira, Ribeirinha, Terceira - alcunha - Areas?

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That is a surname and means "sand" as you likely know.I have it on Pico. Sometimes you see Areia and other times the plural Areias.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Luiz Parreira, Ribeirinha, Terceira -
alcunha - Areas?
From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 5:25 pm
To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com

Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.comThe first name is Manuel Luiz Parreira located at:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P15.html. This name appears to show 'Areas' at the end. Would this be an alcunha, or maybe a second surname?  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Luiz Parreira, Ribeirinha, Terceira - alcunha - Areas?

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Anthony,I don't know if you were just curious about the name you found or if you or your wife are actually related to that child, but I just noticed I have a very remote connection to this man using Areias through his mother from way back in the middle 1500s.Good luck,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Manuel Luiz Parreira, Ribeirinha, Terceira - alcunha - Areas? From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Thu, October 02, 2014 5:25 pm To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com  Repost for Anthony Martin, anthonyamartin77 at gmail.comThe first name is Manuel Luiz Parreira located at:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P15.html. This name appears to show 'Areas' at the end. Would this be an alcunha, or maybe a second surname?  -- --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with two marriages records in Luz, Santa Cruz, Graciosa

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Hi Lee,I also have Vaz Sodre from Terceira and Graciosa.It comes from the founding families of Graciosa, connected to Capitao-Donatario Pedro Correia da Cunha in the 1400s.And they also show up in Pico.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with two marriages records in Luz,
Santa Cruz, Graciosa
From: Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net
Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 6:27 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi Eliseu -I sort of thought those were two separate names but was not positive about that. That is one line I'm "stuck" on at the moment.And, yes that is a typo - should be de Conde Pais - which are again two separate names.I'm going to type a list just as you did earlier and post it so that everyone can see my cousins confusing family from Graciosa.Also, I realize now that your Pacheco line is from Ribeira Grande which is where my cousin Corey's gg grandfather, Ventura Pacheco De Mello was born in 1885 (Rabo de Peixe), his parents were Francisco Pachel de Mello and Rita and their parents were Francisco Pacheco de Mello and Helena Isabel and Manuel da Costa Maiato and Ana Tavares which is as far as we've gotten on that line. Thank you for the invite to your tree; I like the set-up of it. I may have to check into that for myself.LeeOn Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:15:48 AM UTC-4, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva wrote:Hi Lee,  Vaz Sodré in this case is a composed surname (two diferente surnames also). You have a manoel de zoned Pais?!?!?! Zoned must be a tipo...  The naming at Graciosa is so confusing... let's wait for the Graciosa Genealogies be published! I have a lot of names that look like yours... but when we compare them the wives are different persons, the husbands are from another village... :)   -Mensagem original- De: azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Lee Enviada: sábado, 27 de Setembro de 2014 00:19 Para: azo...@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with two marriages records in Luz, Santa Cruz, Graciosa  JR and John Athayde-  The ancestors of Joao Correa de Mendoca have/making me literally insane...lol  JR, you mentioned manoel Pereira Maia/Maya. If he's the one who married maria de Conde do Rozario daughter of manoel de zoned Pais and Maria de Mendoca he is one of my cousins direct ancestors as well through their daughter Maris Josefa d Conde who married Mathias Jose Dornellas on May 3 , 1773 in Luz. I count the surnames of Bettencourt at least 11 times, de Conde at least 11 times, Athayde 3 times and others such as Mendonca, Hortins (Ortins), Novais, Vaz Sodre (not sure if that is two separate names), de Aviz, Pais/Pays, Souza, Camara, Gonsalves, Siro, Correa, Miranda, Picano, Botelho, Espinola, Fernandes, Maia/Maya, Deiro, Avila, Melo, Medina, Dornellas, Pereira, Luz, Furtada, Grinde, Alvarez, Codts and Netta so far.  I think I'll type a list like Eliseu did,that will help clear things up.  Also, JR you asked about which Joao de Conde Nadine is descended from - thee aware actually two in her line:  The Joao de Conde who a,arrived Dona. Aria from Praia and the is Joao de Conde Pais/Pays born about 2658 who married Maria de Novais de Eyre (Deiro) born about 1659 - he died April 20, 1739 and was the child of Manoel de Conde Sodre and Aba Go Salves and she Maris de Novais died December 12, 1739 and was the child of Manoel Dornellas da Camara and Catherina Novais de Eyre (Deiro).  Sorry for the long post, it's just this family is so complicated, the same names over and over in some cases.  Lee   





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos

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MaryAnn,That's how almost everyone was buried - nearly 100%.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to decipher Obitos
From: MaryAnn Santos m...@nyu.edu
Date: Sun, September 28, 2014 9:32 am
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How weird. I've never come across that before - just a sentence that they were buried in the public cemetary. She must have died suddenly because she didn't receive the sacraments.Thank you for your help!On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 10:38 AM, mnk kamis...@comcast.net wrote:Yep, that's what it says. Basically her body was wrapped in a white shroud and the priest accompanied the body from home to the church to be buried. MNK  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to look before 1833 in Pico da Pedra

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Hi Joe,I don't do research there unless by special request, but I believe the answer will come from the first few years of baptism and marriage when it says where the people are native. It will have some information like native of this or that freguesia, residents in this parish of Pico da Pedra.At least, that's how they word it in other newly formed freguesias in other islands.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to look before 1833 in Pico da Pedra
From: joe m joe.mudd...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, September 27, 2014 7:08 am
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I went as far back as I could in Pico da Pedra Records and would like to know which area to resume search.  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues)

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Hi Lara,When I was researching Armas on Flores for my cousins, it was for his paternal side from Flores. I am related to him on his maternal side where his mother is Rocha, but not from Flores.I can't fully answer you as to possible connections on Flores. I simply didn't follow every line I found connected to these Rochas on Flores. Just now to answer you, I see Rita Joaquina de Avelar and her parents Caetano Nunes and mother Isabel de Avelar. Maybe if I were to look for their ancestors, I would find there is a connection to a branch in my cousin's tree. Just didn't look.Eventually, because they are descendants of Terceira families, I do plan to complete my research on these Rochas on Flores. I didn't connect the ones you mentioned to their ancestors we're talking about, so there are additional chances of a connection to my cousins through all those ancestors.But when it comes to whether these people named Rocha with a link back to Terceira are my cousins and cousins of my late cousin Armas, then I can say it is very likely and I actually do have a few assumed connections that I have yet to prove. The surname Rocha itself is one of these connections, but it would be from about the middle 1500s. And there is a decent chance there is one branch that links to my direct paternal line in about 1600. Plus there are other surnames that indicate some more remote connections, like Borba, Vieira and others.This is one reason why I ask now whether your husband has ever considered getting DNA testing. If Rocha is on his direct paternal line then it leads to Terceira and that would be really interesting. But if it's on any maternal branch then Family Finder would be the way to go - at least to see if we share any small DNA segments.Finally, as a item of curiosity, there is a nice lady on this list named Shirl Sereque whose ancestor Miguel Sereque from Terceira married into a Flores family and just happens to be a Maria da Rocha who is a descendant of these same people. I haven't seen anything from her lately, but if she is reading messages, I'm sure she will speak up. And if she doesn't, I can send you her email in private.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with
translation (one word that might unlock clues)
From: Lara Muffley mufflev...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, September 27, 2014 6:39 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Cc: mufflev...@gmail.com

João - Thanks so very much for your help and this information!! This will really help me go further back in time.I'll definitely buy the"Casais das Flores e do Corvo".Doug - I am researching my spouses lineage. The story: Three da Rocha brothers: Jacintho Ignacio, Antonio Ignacio andJoão Ignacio (who descend from theJosé Ignacio da Rocha in my post), came to Hawaii in 1895 (Braunfels). Tony and John remain in Hawaii, but Jess immigrates to California (Oakland area). I was excited to hear our Rocha's trace back to Terceira. Is my spouse a cousin of your cousin?Again- much thanks to you both! LaraOn Friday, September 26, 2014 10:17:01 AM UTC-7, Doug da Rocha Holmes wrote:Hi Lara,Are these your ancestors?I first noticed this Rocha family in Flores about 20 years ago while searching for my cousins named Armas.And thanks to Joao and the reference he gave, you know they came from Terceira.My Rocha line is also from Terceira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com    Original Message  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues) From: João_Ventura jo...@venturas.org Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 9:50 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com  Lara,This is the extract of that marriage record in the "Casais das Flores e do Corvo":José Inácio da Rocha [n. São Pedro, Angra do Heroísmo, f.º de Manuel de Borba e de Francisca de Jesus] c. 1774.12.29 c. Rita Joaquina de Avelar [f.ª de Caetano Nunes e de Isabel de Avelar].You should definitively buy the book, if you're continuing Rita's line back in time:http://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1411749820sr=8-1keywords=casais+das+floresRita's parent's marriage is in page 481 of the ebook. It occurred in1748.01.29.Note that you should still confirm if the actual parish records confirm the ebook extract, but Mr. Francisco Gomes's knowledge of Azorean paleography surpasses that of most people. If you buy the book, you'll get to the 1675 Great Brick Wall of Flores in no time.Best regards,João Venturahttp://tombo.pt/enOn Friday, 26 September 2014 16:39:34 UTC+2, Lara Muffley wrote:Hello Everyone-I'm interested in the ancestry of Antonio Ignacio Rocha (b. 1823 Santa Cruz, Matriz, Flores, d. 1878, Ribeira Grande, Matriz, Sao Miguel).I found his grandparents marriage record (see link below)Jose Ignacio da Rocha and Rita Joaquina 

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help linking Pai Incognitos in Ponta Delgada, Flores

[pico]

Maria Natalia, you are right.I can say I have seen this countless times from the 1700s forward on Terceira and Pico. If I were to pay attention to it elsewhere, I'm sure other places could be included, like Sao Miguel where I suspect you saw it.I'm not arguing one way or another about Joao's ancestral line. That takes in-depth study which he has done. But it certainly was a fact freed slaves were married to other regular citizens in the community. In fact, I have an ancestor from Sao Bento, Terceira whose son or daughter married the child of a slave. This was about 1700, if I recall.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help linking Pai Incognitos in Ponta
Delgada, Flores
From: mnk kamis...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 5:06 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I just want to say that I have seen a marriage of a slave to a free person. I can't remember what village I was searching when I saw it, but it was possibly Ginetes. I just remember because I had never seen that before.  Maybe the priest in your case was progressive or anti-slavery so he did not mention race  or status of the women.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation (one word that might unlock clues)

[pico]

Hi Lara,Are these your ancestors?I first noticed this Rocha family in Flores about 20 years ago while searching for my cousins named Armas.And thanks to Joao and the reference he gave, you know they came from Terceira.My Rocha line is also from Terceira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rocha in Flores_ help with translation
(one word that might unlock clues)
From: João_Ventura j...@venturas.org
Date: Fri, September 26, 2014 9:50 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Lara,This is the extract of that marriage record in the "Casais das Flores e do Corvo":José Inácio da Rocha [n. São Pedro, Angra do Heroísmo, f.º de Manuel de Borba e de Francisca de Jesus] c. 1774.12.29 c. Rita Joaquina de Avelar [f.ª de Caetano Nunes e de Isabel de Avelar].You should definitively buy the book, if you're continuing Rita's line back in time:http://www.amazon.com/Casais-das-Flores-Corvo-Portuguese-ebook/dp/B00AQAOOF6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1411749820sr=8-1keywords=casais+das+floresRita's parent's marriage is in page 481 of the ebook. It occurred in1748.01.29.Note that you should still confirm if the actual parish records confirm the ebook extract, but Mr. Francisco Gomes's knowledge of Azorean paleography surpasses that of most people. If you buy the book, you'll get to the 1675 Great Brick Wall of Flores in no time.Best regards,João Venturahttp://tombo.pt/enOn Friday, 26 September 2014 16:39:34 UTC+2, Lara Muffley wrote:Hello Everyone-I'm interested in the ancestry of Antonio Ignacio Rocha (b. 1823 Santa Cruz, Matriz, Flores, d. 1878, Ribeira Grande, Matriz, Sao Miguel).I found his grandparents marriage record (see link below)Jose Ignacio da Rocha and Rita Joaquina (1774)http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-C-1744-1808_item1/P122.htmlI'm translating the document and am having some trouble reading the name of the island where Jose's parents (Manuel and Francisca) are from.It almost looks like Terlegoa - ha! could it be Terceira? If anyone has a quick moment to help, that would be wonderful.LM 





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry.com to dump test results tomorrow

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Ancestry.com is dumping their test results for Y and mt DNA tomorrow. If you have tested there, make sure you download all the data immediately.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

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Yes, I also have this name - Feio.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
From: "Eliseu Pacheco da Silva" eliseuman...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 12:54 pm
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… FEIO (Feyo) is also a very old family name!  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

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Yes, Antonio. I heard the same thing from the late historian James Guill.He told me that his name was Jordao Alvares Carauta and in fact, there are several people we can find in the existing Pico records that used that name.I don't know without looking whether your wife has those ancestors (found in Ribeiras), but I recently noticed some people are descendants from people using this name. The reason it sticks in my mind is that I think someone has him on the direct paternal line and for me that is extremely interesting.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:26 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

If memory serves me the second settler to Pico was Jordao Carauta(which is a alcunha that comes from Cara Alta which means long face) Carauta then became a surname I think his original surname was Alvares. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

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Researching in Terceira just now and was reminded of your Canhoto nickname.I have 8 people using that as a surname, most from Terceira and ranging from the 1500s to 1800s.There are Fernandes Canhoto, Gomes Canhoto, Cardoso Canhoto, Machado Canhoto and Vieira Canhoto.I'm sure you know, but some might not realize that a great many surnames today started as a nickname.Even Furtado, for instance.To an English speaker, it's often funny to translate surnames. It's not Portuguese, but just tonight we were having salad with bacon bits and my in-laws from Slovakia were saying the word "slanin" and so I asked my son if he knew what that means and he says "bacon." So then I asked does he realize he has ancestors named Slanin? And he just laughed, but it's true. That was my wife's late grandmother's maiden name.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames
From: A Faria antoniof1...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, September 20, 2014 1:21 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

John,I knew an old fellow in Almagreira, Lajes do Pico with the alcunha of Canhoto everyone referred to him by that behind his back but they never dared saying it to his face he would throw a fit! For some reason certain alcunha's only apply to certain people but others are passed on because his son and grandson aren't known by Canhoto. 





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Nicknames

[pico]

Antonio,We have "cebola branca" (white onion) referring to their head of hair from Angra.I found it interesting what you wrote about the Lajes do Pico families.On my first trip to find cousins in Piedade, Pico, I asked around for anyone using the "Leal da Rosa" surname combo and got that blank look from just about everyone. But one person thought there was a person he knew with that surname, but called Jose Serafim. He was right because first of all, Serafim is not that common so is a great choice to use as alcunha, and second it comes from his grandfather named Serafim Leal da Rosa. So I found him and many relatives. Showed me their wine-making, ate the fish they just caught for dinner. Great time.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Nicknames

[pico]

Hi Anthony,Of course, your mother-in-law is right about nicknames. But none of it usually affects your researching the families in the records. There they almost always use their real names and sometimes also say what their nicknames are.Parreira is nearly always from Terceira, but you probably know that.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Nicknames
From: Anthony Martin anthonyamarti...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, September 18, 2014 2:44 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I've been searching through various guides about Portuguese naming practices, but I haven't found anything related to this question.My mother-in-law is a Parreira, but she has mentioned that it is common for families to have nicknames. For example, someone by the name of Antonio Parreira may be known as a 'Galante' yet the surname 'Galante' is no where to be found. Other nicknames I've come across are what appear to be 'rrabola' and 'Ilhars'.Does anyone have an explanation for this?  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Bento Obitos... Sao Bento vs Santa Barbara

[pico]

Hi Mike,Sao Bento has been a separate freguesia since the 1500s.I didn't look to see what you are seeing, but it might just be a mistake by CCA.Boa sorte, primo.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Bento Obitos...Sao Bento vs Santa
Barbara
From: "'Mike Souza' via Azores Genealogy" azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Wed, September 17, 2014 3:16 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

While researching my family lines in Sao Bento, Terceira on etombo.pt, I see that Obitos before 1860 show as Sao Bento for the freguesia, but post 1860, it shows as Santa Barbara for thefreguesia. Does anyone know if this is simply an error on the website(s) and databases, or did the record keeping change somehow to reflect Santa Barbara instead of Sao Bento in 1860/1861?If it is an error, does anyone know where to find post 1860 obitos for Sao Bento?http://tombo.pt/f/agh12  gets you to the main page where you can see before and after 1860/1861, examples here:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBENTO-O-1841-1860/TER-AH-SAOBENTO-O-1841-1860_item1/P68.htmlandhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBENTO-O-1860-1869/TER-AH-SAOBENTO-O-1860-1869_item1/P13.htmlThanks,Mike SouzaResearching: Marks, Souza, Marques, Monteiro, Vaz Dinis, Martins da Costa, Goncalves Leonardo, d' Avila Cardoso  --  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Bento Obitos... Sao Bento vs Santa Barbara

[pico]

Yea, CCA just messed it up. When they originally published the Angra concelho records online, they got it right and have obitos to 31 Mar 1911, item number 5 for a little infant named Maria.Then when the added in the rest of the Terceira records and standardized the file names, they switched things around. So it's an easy fix for them. But Sao Bento records are not showing up in Santa Barbara, in case you were thinking of checking that. They just have Santa Barbara records twice.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Getting rid of the Private people in the new Family Trees on FTDNA

[pico]

I'm happy with the results showing for my and my father's gedcom. I'm glad they haven't removed them.But maybe it's because I have not made anything private. I put what info I wanted to be there and nothing more.I admit it's not the easiest thing to make a proper gedcom. I doubt my father could do it without a lot of help.Maybe the best way is to first create a second set of data files containing only the people and information you want there - no siblings, no notes, no pictures, no references.Once you have done that, you now open up your newly created data files (which must have been saved to some other directory or you are possibly going to erase your normal files). Once open, look over all the data you want to be there. Delete anything you don't want. Then it's simple to export the entire thing as a gedcom for posting.In the future, you might have to do the entire process all over again, assuming you make progress with extending your tree and want to show everyone a larger tree.For me, I made just 6 generations to show. At least it's better than some who don't want to post anything, even though they have the ability. I sometimes wonder why they even got tested if they don't want to connect to people.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Getting rid of the Private people in the
new Family Trees on FTDNA
From: Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, September 16, 2014 11:00 am
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" azores@googlegroups.com

I find this all very confusing. Why hasn't ftDNA just taken all gedcom's off line? 





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