Re: new computer

2003-01-26 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 23:16 25-01-2003 -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: Anyone have advice? A friend needs one. His needs are basic, simple games and e-mail. walmart has a compaq on sale for $600, 2.1 celeron, 256MB RAM, 60GB HD, I'm assuming on the motherboard video, printer, 17 inch monitor, cdr/dvd writer (don't

Re: new computer

2003-01-26 Thread The Fool
From: Kevin Tarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone have advice? A friend needs one. His needs are basic, simple games and e-mail. walmart has a compaq on sale for $600, 2.1 celeron, 256MB RAM, 60GB HD, I'm assuming on the motherboard video, printer, 17 inch monitor, cdr/dvd writer (don't know if

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-26 Thread freewire1
On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:19:25 -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: Now now. Three mile island has the river water three times removed from the reactor. It cools the water that cools the water that cools the reactor. And it's used in the cooling towers. And they keep a lot on site, they don't constantly take

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Andrew Crystall wrote: I've allways recommended _Consider Phelebus_ as a good first read for people interested in Banks. Courtesy of the Brin list, I started with _Player of Games_, and I loved it. I hope to get to _Consider Phlebas_ or _Look to Windward_ soon, and then maybe gird myself to

SQL-Slammer knocks Korea off net

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42301-2003Jan25.html A rapidly spreading computer worm on Saturday infested networks and bogged down Internet traffic across the globe, crippling online services in one of the world's most wired countries, South Korea. Called Sapphire or SQL

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Doug Pensinger wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Use of Weapons should always be the first Culture book you read, to see if you can stand it. joking Haven't found a copy yet short of paying $20 for a paperback at amazon.uk. Which I intend to do shortly if I don't find a copy soon. Your library

Afghans Say They Foil Attacks on U.S. Embassy

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45516-2003Jan26.html Afghan intelligence officers said Sunday they had foiled a plan to launch rocket attacks on the U.S. Embassy, international peacekeepers and Kabul airport at the weekend. Engineer Amin, head of intelligence for Kabul, told

Re: new computer

2003-01-26 Thread G. D. Akin
For $600, this is a pretty good deal if there is a 17 monitor included. I would check how much Video Memory there as part of the integrated video, most come with between 8 and 16Mb. Also, I need a definition of simple games. Icewind Dale will run in 8Mb but Neverwinter Nights needs 32Mb.

Favorites

2003-01-26 Thread G. D. Akin
I know these kinds of questions have undoubtable been asked before, but I'm new and curious. What are your favorite books by the authors on this list? Mine below. BrinThe Uplift Warrunnerup:The Postman BearDarwin's Radio runnerup:Moving Mars

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread G. D. Akin
I have to agree with you up to a point. I loved the first 5/6s or 7/8 of the book, then whoosh, huh!?!?!?! I read it about a year ago and I'm still scratching my head. The trials of the various dittos running around on their errands was very entertaining. However, I did not nominate it because

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread G. D. Akin
I, too, thoroughly enjoyed Darwin's Radio, the Nebula winner a year or so back. Looking forward to Darwin's Children due out in April I think. George A - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:20 AM Subject: Re:

Catholics Could Lose Seal of Confession

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/1/25/141548 The seal of confessional, which guarantees that whatever a penitent confesses may not under any circumstances be divulged by the confessor, is under attack. According to the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, as states

Weapons Inspector: French Sabotaged U.N. WMD Searches

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/1/25/03638 A former U.N. weapons inspector charged Friday that in the late 1990s French members of the UNSCOM inspection team actually tried to help Iraq conceal evidence of its weapons of mass destruction program. They gave them forewarning of

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Baker
Jim said: Courtesy of the Brin list, I started with _Player of Games_, and I loved it. I hope to get to _Consider Phlebas_ or _Look to Windward_ soon, and then maybe gird myself to try _Use of Weapons_. You guys are hardly making it sound appealing. :-) _Use of Weapons_ is definitely my

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 04:04 PM 1/26/2003 +, you wrote: Jim said: Courtesy of the Brin list, I started with _Player of Games_, and I loved it. I hope to get to _Consider Phlebas_ or _Look to Windward_ soon, and then maybe gird myself to try _Use of Weapons_. You guys are hardly making it sound appealing.

The CIA's Secret Army

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030203-411370,00.html Because of past scandals, the agency had largely dropped its paramilitary operations. But the war on terrorism has brought it back into the business The U.S. is not yet at war with Saddam Hussein. Not officially. But

Iraq's U.N. Ambassador Vanishes

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.newsmax.com/ir.shtml NewsMax's correspondent at the United Nations, Stewart Stogel, says Iraq's U.N. Ambassador Mohammed Aldouri is missing. Aldouri decided to take an overdue home leave during the week of Dec. 15. He told NewsMax it would be the first time to return home and visit

Wealth trends and Bush's tax cuts

2003-01-26 Thread Dan Minette
The Federal reserve has just issued its latest report on net worth in 2001, and the distribution thereof. Not unexpectedly, the tend of wealth concentration continues. The top 10% now has 80.7% of total net worth in the United states, up from 78.9% in '92. The bottom 50% now has 1.3% compared

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Kevin Tarr wrote: Please Andy don't think Use of Weapons is a bad book*. Andy, Jim, practically the same guy. ;-) As Rich says, it is most everyone's favorite. Now, is that among true Banks fans? It certainly sounds like people without a predisposition to like Banks aren't so fond of it.

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Richard Baker
Jim said: Now, is that among true Banks fans? It certainly sounds like people without a predisposition to like Banks aren't so fond of it. Is there something about it that is that off-putting? I think that lots of people think it's horrible because of certain revelations during the course of

Re: Wealth trends and Bush's tax cuts

2003-01-26 Thread Marvin Long, Jr.
On Sun, 26 Jan 2003, Dan Minette wrote: So, Bush unvails a plan to focus tax cuts on dividends, thus preferentially cutting the taxes of those who already are the most wealthy. The logical conclusion is that he thinks the trend of concentration of wealth is a good thing. I don't. Does

Re: Adopt a 'loose girl'

2003-01-26 Thread Alberto Monteiro
In recent months Italy has launched a fierce campaign against prostitution. In Rome, punters face fines and prostitutes caught by authorities more than once can find themselves jailed for up to 15 days. Uh? Is prostitution illegal in Europe? Why? Alberto Monteiro

[Humor] Official Canadian Temperature Conversion Chart

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
Official Canadian Temperature Conversion Chart: 50° Fahrenheit (10° C) Californians shiver uncontrollably. Canadians plant gardens 35° Fahrenheit (1.6° C) Italian Cars won't start. Canadians drive with the windows down. 32° Fahrenheit (0 ° C) American water freezes. Canadian water get thicker.

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 07:41 PM 1/26/2003 +, you wrote: Jim said: Now, is that among true Banks fans? It certainly sounds like people without a predisposition to like Banks aren't so fond of it. Is there something about it that is that off-putting? I think that lots of people think it's horrible because of

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 02:15 PM 1/26/2003 -0500, you wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Please Andy don't think Use of Weapons is a bad book*. Andy, Jim, practically the same guy. ;-) As Rich says, it is most everyone's favorite. Now, is that among true Banks fans? It certainly sounds like people without a

Re: Wealth trends and Bush's tax cuts

2003-01-26 Thread The Fool
From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Federal reserve has just issued its latest report on net worth in 2001, and the distribution thereof. Not unexpectedly, the tend of wealth concentration continues. The top 10% now has 80.7% of total net worth in the United states, up from 78.9% in

Re: Wealth trends and Bush's tax cuts

2003-01-26 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sun, Jan 26, 2003 at 01:20:31PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: The Federal reserve has just issued its latest report on net worth in 2001, and the distribution thereof. Not unexpectedly, the tend of wealth concentration continues. The top 10% now has 80.7% of total net worth in the United

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
Jim Sharkey wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Use of Weapons should always be the first Culture book you read, to see if you can stand it. joking Haven't found a copy yet short of paying $20 for a paperback at amazon.uk. Which I intend to do shortly if I don't find a copy

Re: Wealth trends and Bush's tax cuts

2003-01-26 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Wealth trends and Bush's tax cuts Do you mean net worth includes the equity one has in one's home? It doesn't seem to make sense to add the mortgage

A commercial rip off

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
Now that ABC is doing a rip off, I may as wll join in as well. Do you read Brin because he's Less pretentious? or Reads great? William Taylor - Time to make the Traeki ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 03:16 PM 1/26/03 -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: I'm rearranging the chairs in the TV room for the big game You're having a big game of musical chairs in your TV room? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr.

Re: A commercial rip off

2003-01-26 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that ABC is doing a rip off, I may as wll join in as well. Do you read Brin because he's Less pretentious? or Reads great? I'll say Reads great! Anyone up for saying Less pretentious and having a cat fight? Julia who's going to go turn on the

An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 26 Jan 2003 at 13:39, Doug Pensinger wrote: Jim Sharkey wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Use of Weapons should always be the first Culture book you read, to see if you can stand it. joking Haven't found a copy yet short of paying $20 for a paperback at amazon.uk.

Come and get it! (was: A commercial rip off)

2003-01-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 04:52 PM 1/26/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that ABC is doing a rip off, I may as wll join in as well. Do you read Brin because he's Less pretentious? or Reads great? I'll say Reads great! Anyone up for saying Less pretentious and having a cat fight?

RE: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread Gary L. Nunn
Doug wrote Haven't found a copy yet short of paying $20 for a paperback at amazon.uk. Which I intend to do shortly if I don't find a copy soon. Mr. Taylor? GCU Trolling for a Book Try www.abebooks.com I found this book for as low as $2.95 an American seller and $6.45 (US) from a British

RE: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Andrew Crystall ... How many of you, as a matter of interest, buy books on Ebay? How many of you have SOLD them on Ebay? Never on Ebay, but I've bought and sold quite a few used books on Amazon with

Re: A commercial rip off

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/26/2003 3:47:08 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone up for saying Less pretentious and having a cat fight? Julia who's going to go turn on the TV soon, after she checks the directions on the frozen thing she'll be cooking for dinner,

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/26/2003 4:22:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try www.abebooks.com which is linked to addall.com/used, which also has alibris and powells and I took my books off of ABE as Alibris works on payment to them only on what sells. William

Re: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/26/2003 5:51:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Never on Ebay, but I've bought and sold quite a few used books on Amazon with no problems except for a padded envelope that arrived empty at the buyer's. I started always using Mylar after

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread Doug Pensinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/26/2003 4:22:14 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Try www.abebooks.com which is linked to addall.com/used, which also has alibris and powells and I took my books off of ABE as Alibris works on payment to them only on

RE: [Humor] Official Canadian Temperature Conversion Chart

2003-01-26 Thread Kevin Street
Robert Seeberger posted the: Official Canadian Temperature Conversion Chart: LOL! 50° Fahrenheit (10° C) Californians shiver uncontrollably. Canadians plant gardens I'd laugh if it wasn't true. We have to plant early, or there'd be no time to grow anything at all. 32° Fahrenheit (0 ° C)

RE: The CIA's Secret Army

2003-01-26 Thread Kevin Street
Robert Seeberger reposted an article from: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030203-411370,00.html Because of past scandals, the agency had largely dropped its paramilitary operations. But the war on terrorism has brought it back into the business Wow, a very lengthy - and

Worm May Attack Again Monday

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2696131.stm Experts are warning that a malicious computer code which disrupted the internet may resume its attacks on Monday. In South Korea, which was badly affected by the attack, systems engineers are racing to repair internet networks amid fears Monday

RE: [Humor] Official Canadian Temperature Conversion Chart

2003-01-26 Thread Horn, John
From: Kevin Street [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 32° Fahrenheit (0 ° C) American water freezes. Canadian water gets thicker. But what's IN that water? Some things are better left secret... So *that's* what's going on with that lake up in Minnesota (or wherever)... - jmh

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/26/2003 6:38:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Darwin's Radio, the Nebula winner a year or so back. Looking forward to Darwin's Children due out in April I think. I could not enjoy the story because the science was so flawed. Darwin is turning over

Re: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Julia Thompson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/26/2003 5:51:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Never on Ebay, but I've bought and sold quite a few used books on Amazon with no problems except for a padded envelope that arrived empty at the buyer's. I

Cyberian Khatru reviewed at Music Street Journal

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/amycd.htm Review by Gary Hill Check it out! -- xponent Reviews Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back.

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Richard Baker wrote: Jim said: Now, is that among true Banks fans? It certainly sounds like people without a predisposition to like Banks aren't so fond of it. Is there something about it that is that off-putting? I think that lots of people think it's horrible because of certain revelations

Re: Now I know I am a Netizen!

2003-01-26 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
IMMEDIATE ATTENTION NEEDED : HIGHLY CONFIDENTIAL FROM: GEORGE WALKER BUSH DEAR SIR / MADAM, I AM GEORGE WALKER BUSH, SON OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH, AND CURRENTLY SERVING AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. THIS LETTER MIGHT

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Kevin Tarr wrote: What is the necromancer games? It's a d20 game company whose books are printed by White Wolf games d20 imprint, Sword Sorcery Studios. Their motto is Third Edition Rules, First Edition Feel. If you played DD back in the early 80's, you'll know what they mean (only with

An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Andrew Crystall wrote: How many of you, as a matter of interest, buy books on Ebay? How many of you have SOLD them on Ebay? I don't sell on eBay, but I buy on occasion. The only books I purchase on eBay are normally comics or RPG books, but I did try and get my wife a first edition _Gone with

Re: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/26/2003 7:02:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nick I never use an envelope, period. Even padded, they offer zero protection for a book unless you also insert a piece of cardboard 2 inches longer and wider than the book, with the

RE: Cyberian Khatru reviewed at Music Street Journal

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Robert Seeberger wrote: http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/amycd.htm Review by Gary Hill Check it out! Very cool, Rob! Where might one find this disk, were one so inclined? And what songs were you involved in, if any? Jim ___ font size=2

Suuuuuuuuper Bowl

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
Let us all drop on bended knee and bow our heads in the direction of Tampa Bay. xponent Huzzah Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind your back.

Re: Wildcard Picks

2003-01-26 Thread Julia Thompson
On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, Julia Thompson wrote: ^^^ Just for the heck of it, I'll call the Superbowl now. Chances are, I'm going to be wrong, but I'll say that it'll be Oakland over Tampa Bay. Well, I called the right 2 teams, just the wrong outcome. :) Good game. Especially after

Re: Suuuuuuuuper Bowl

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/26/2003 8:34:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let us all drop on bended knee and bow our heads in the direction of Tampa Bay. To do so, for about a fifth of the US population, guess what would be pointing towards Oakland. You give me a knee

Re: Suuuuuuuuper Bowl

2003-01-26 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Let us all drop on bended knee and bow our heads in the direction of Tampa Bay. The Bucs rule. Now, Tampa Bay is east of here, right? Do I have to get it within 2 compass degrees, or is just making sure my body is parallel to the south wall of the house sufficient?

Re: Catholics Could Lose Seal of Confession

2003-01-26 Thread Bradford DeLong
But when the Knights Templar were suppressed by Philip the Fair of France and Pope Clement V in 1307, one of the charges was that the Templars confessed only to each other and not to other priests--so that nobody outside the order knew what horrible and foul things were going on within the

Re: Catholics Could Lose Seal of Confession

2003-01-26 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Bradford DeLong [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Catholics Could Lose Seal of Confession But when the Knights Templar were suppressed by Philip the Fair of France and Pope Clement V in 1307, one of

Re: Satellite evidence of UFOs

2003-01-26 Thread Amanda SubbaRao
Hey, we all can have our own proof of the truth!!! Here's the how-to: http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/hotshots/ - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Satellite evidence of UFOs Nick Arnett

Welcome, Jose

2003-01-26 Thread Nick Arnett
Every once in a while, someone I knew long ago finds me on the Internet. Our newest subscriber to Brin-L is Jose Ortiz, who was one of my team of sysops on the CompuServe Multimedia Forums, which I launched in 1989 and sold (the contract to operate them, that is) to Cowles Media in 1992 or so. We

RE: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... This another fun thing that comes up all the time. The 1st edition 1st printing is the big bucks. 1st edition 4th printing is common yawn. Oh, fine, right after I mention my

Re: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
William Taylor wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but I did try and get my wife a first edition _Gone with the Wind_ for her birthday last year. With only one month of printing listed to the back of the title page? This another fun thing that comes up all the time. The 1st edition 1st printing

Re: Catholics Could Lose Seal of Confession

2003-01-26 Thread Jim Sharkey
Bradford DeLong wrote: But when the Knights Templar were suppressed by Philip the Fair of France and Pope Clement V in 1307, one of the charges was that the Templars confessed only to each other and not to other priests--so that nobody outside the order knew what horrible and foul things were

Re: Banks recommendations

2003-01-26 Thread David Hobby
Someone wrote: ... I think that lots of people think it's horrible because of certain revelations during the course of the book, rather than because of plot, characterisation, pacing and so forth. I think, more than any of the others, it shows us the sorts of things on which the Culture is

Re: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/26/2003 9:50:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe one day when I have more disposable income, I'll get her that first edition; for now it'll probably have to wait. I'd rather have the light bulb that was mistakenly left in the lamppost

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-26 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 17:27 26-01-2003 -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote: I tried to buy there but when I clicked on the buy link, nothing happened. I tried from the addall link and then went to abebooks and tried again, same result. Maybe I should have switched browsers and tried again? That just might work, yes.

Re: Got it! And it was good! Re: Come and get it! (was: A commercial rip off)

2003-01-26 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:04 26-01-2003 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: And we have frozen things on a regular basis. Something you just stick in an oven for awhile, stopping once to stir or pull off the cover or something, is a pretty easy thing to fix for dinner. SIGH So much for the fine art of cooking...

Re: Worm May Attack Again Monday

2003-01-26 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 26 Jan 2003 at 19:37, Robert Seeberger wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2696131.stm Experts are warning that a malicious computer code which disrupted the internet may resume its attacks on Monday. In South Korea, which was badly affected by the attack, systems engineers are

RE: An Ebay question (was Re: First real post - Hugo Noms)

2003-01-26 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 26 Jan 2003 at 20:42, Nick Arnett wrote: certainly nothing to toss out. A couple of weeks ago, I finally studied up on what a first edition *really* is. The only real first editions I own, as far as I know, are Brin books and one of Doug Adams'. I'm allways careful to say printing, yes.