There is a fascinating discussion on my Marxist list serve; here is an
excerpt...
Louis, you have raised a very interesting subject. How can anybody say that the
views expressed by some 'physicsts' about reality, time and quantum world have
nothing to do with Marxism? We have to put up a
Since this orangutan was raised in captivity, would it even be able to survive
in a rain forest...?
Jon Mann
In Indonesia rapidly shrinking habitat might force the Orangutang into
cultivated areas, where she would be killed as a crop raider.
trent shipley
Would this orangutan be better off
Would this orangutan be better off released in the Indonesian rain forest?
Jon Mann
Very interesting, so the court decided that the non-human individuals have
rights such as freedom of movement, and that the orangutan was unjustly
imprisoned at a zoo (the story makes it clear that she didn't
A court in Argentina granted human rights to a captive Urangutan:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/21/us-argentina-orangutan-idUSKBN0JZ0Q620141221
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mbvd/orangutan-granted-basic-legal-rights-in-argentina#.fimQx6Xkb
1. Brin on Coast to Coast (Jon Louis
Mann)
Brin on Coast to Coast AM tonight
nothing more to add here . . .
(Ronn! Blankenship)
...except the number on the AM dial...
KFI 640 Los Angeles
and throughout California:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/stations/california
Brin on Coast to Coast AM tonight
(Ronn! Blankenship)
nothing more to add here . . .
...except the number on the AM dial...
Here in California
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/stations/california
Los Angeles 640 KFI
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I don't think it would work in Santa Monica where international investors are
slavering to get their greedy paws of exploding development to turn our once
quiet beachside community into Miami Beach!~{
This sounds like something you were saying some time ago:
Hi, Nick
I'd like to get back on the?list, please.
I think I've been deleted??
(been inactive for a long time!).
Thanks, Debbi
Hi Debbi,
I don't think you've been deleted.
But we've been real quiet.
Dan M.
Brin's website and Facebook page
(watchout for trolls) are vey active, though.
I'm reading John Varley's Slow Apocalypse. The premise is
that all un-processed petroleum is destroyed by an act of
bio-terrorism. In the middle of it right now, but so far
it's scaring the spit out of me.
john
why?
You have a Zambian daughter, Dan?
Two. The eldest, Neli, came to the
In fact, the other major sin of the Greens (in addition
to being against nuclear power) snip
That's their political agenda. When the CDU announced that
the nuclear
power plants in Germany will be shut down, the greens were
not altogether sure if they really wanted that... ;-)
is the
The measure of a civilization could be said to be
its consumption of energy and how it uses resources.
Conspicuous v. sustainable...
Jon
From: medieva...@aol.com
Twas in Last And First Men, by Olaf Stapledon,
I think, where all future
civilizations had their power based upon
I'm getting tired of correcting all this nonsense,
Do whatever you want with my opinion, but I,
for one, will be quite grateful if you choose to
present your words as though they were just your
thoughts and opinions and to treat others with
much greater respect.
Nick
I just don't
1. Re: Politeness
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2. Politeness (Jon Louis Mann)
3. RE: Politeness (Dan Minette)
4. Re: Politeness (John Williams)
5. Re: Politeness (John Williams)
6. Re: Politeness (John Williams)
7. Re: Politeness (Nick Arnett)
8. Re
It is not like you are a successful politician.
Why would anyone care about having your respect?
I actually think this is a statement made in good
faith. IMHO, you would grow if you were able to
understand the answer to that question. While self
respect is critical, and one
I'm getting tired of correcting all this nonsense,
Do whatever you want with my opinion, but I, for one, will
be quite
grateful if you choose to present your words as though they
were just your
thoughts and opinions and to treat others with much greater
respect.
Nick
I'm not sure
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 Kevin O'Brien zwil...@zwilnik.com wrote:
So at this point I can only conclude that the
Republicans are congenital liars.
You are wearing selective blinders. All politicians are
liars.
But not all are congenital.
Luckily, most voters do not care if the lies are
Now that the election is past and Obama doesn't have to worry about his
re-election, will he finally stand up to Wall Street, put the brakes on
corrupt, corporate capitalism, and stick to his guns on taxing the rich?
Sure Obama is much better than Romney, but he still has to cope with
So... What about Obama's reelection?
Here in Brazil, we had the impression that the Republicans
chose the worst possible candidate, put there to lose.
Or maybe the Democrats voted in the Republican primaries
to make him win. Did anyone over there ever think that Mitt
Romney had _any_
Huh???
Today's Topics:
1. Employment opportunity (narn...@mccmedia.com)
2. Job opportunity - hurry to apply! (narn...@mccmedia.com)
If you are taking a career break, are on a maternity leave,
recently retired or simply looking for some part-time job,
this position is for you.
1. Re: Job opportunity - hurry to
apply! (Matt Grimaldi)
2. RE: Job opportunity - hurry to
apply! (Horn, John)
3. Re: Job opportunity - hurry to apply!
(Nick Arnett)
4. Job opportunity? (Jon Louis Mann)
Nick,
Is this really you?
Highly unlikely.
From: Jon Louis Mann
Well, I'm *really* proud of myself because I knew it was
spam. And the only
reason I knew that was due to reading this list and having
all of you techie
smarties tell me what jerks there can be on the
internet! Whoo Hoo, I have
entered the 21st Century, albeit kicking and screaming.
From: Horn, John jh...@healthlink.com
-Original Message-
On Behalf Of Ronn! Blankenship
Dan Minette wrote:
So, I just ordered a 16 foot cat
Dang! And I thought I had a lot of litter box scooping to do with two
regular-size ones . . .
I thought it was a whole lotta claws to have
Whew, thanks for that, Dan; sorry if I came off as if I was
superior because reading is a priority for me, Dave. I
saw my 9 year old son, this fathers' day. He wasn't
interested in the soccer or volley balls I got him and just
wanted to play DS Mario, so I spent most of my visitation
Seriously. (May I? For just a moment?) Next time
you contemplate a
book?s retail price, try dividing it by the number of
hours of
pleasure you?ll get, reading it. Then tell me of
any other pastime
with a better minutes per pennies ratio of sheer joy!
Video games. It's easy to see
Jon Mann wrote:
For me time is too precious to waste playing video
games. I canceled my cable and minimized my time on Facebook
because they were cutting into my reading time.
For me, video games, especially played with my son, are
more valuable/enjoyable than most other forms of
I don't have a clue what you're talking about, Dr. Brin, but it's good to know
you're still findding the time to keep up with brin-l. It's your fault that I
got sucked into joining Facebook. Your wall is far too interesting and turning
into a time suck!~)
I've met Ray numerous times; he very generous with his time and kind to fans.
I took my 14 year old son to the Atlanta WorldCon and Ray was GOH. He mingled
with the fans the entire time; the con suite had the entire 10th floor at the
Marriott and he would hang out talking to fans. My son got
I miss the good old days, too, but I hope Nick will start a page on Facebook
for those who don't want to be involved with the other crap on that interface.
Sturgeon's Law - 90% of everything is crap, including Science Fiction.
I was on the Public Electronic Network (PEN) from 1989 to 1992 in
The best thing about FB is I don't have to remember whether to top or bottom
post!~) I don't have that many friend who use the same name, AND are crass
enough to poke me!~) In any case, FB sends me to the right profile... I've
never been lucky enough to be poked by Kit Kat; MZ doesn't even
I signed up for Facebook some time ago after receiving the invite from David
for the sort of reasons you mention below. I'm a bit overwhelmed by all the
other options to network electronically. I looked into Twitter, Google+ and a
bunch of other links but got FB seems to be winning the with
Keith, are you with Alcor?
Yes.
I've been thinking about it for years, but haven't
seen anyone at cons lately to sign people up.
If you are serious about it, at least get insurance
(unless you can afford it out of pocket, and even then,
insurance is a good way to assure the funding
Anyone else getting these?
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Subject: WorldCon in Reno
David Brin, Greg Bear and Gregory Benford
were all on a panel at Renovation last week.
Amusing event. I brought up cryonics. Everyone
in the audience was aware of it, several people
were thinking about it for themselves and of
course Gregory and I were signed
Subject: WorldCon in Reno
David Brin, Greg Bear and Gregory Benford
were all on a panel at Renovation last week.
Amusing event. I brought up cryonics. Everyone
in the audience was aware of it, several people
were thinking about it for themselves and of
course Gregory and I were signed
Subject: WorldCon in Reno
David Brin, Greg Bear and Gregory Benford
were all on a panel at Renovation last week.
Amusing event. I brought up cryonics. Everyone
in the audience was aware of it, several people
were thinking about it for themselves and of
course Gregory and I were signed
what is google+, exactly and why is it any better than yahoo, alex?
i use facebook despite how it violates peoples' privacy; the benefits outweigh
the trolls, etc... i rec'd the invitation from david and signed up some time
ago, but it wasn't until people i had lost touch with started to
i forgot, i'm already at netdemocr...@gmail.com i rarely use it because i don't
like how they bundle e-mail.
Hi Jon,
No probs but you need to get a gmail email account
which are free
www.gmail.com and can send out the invite. If there
are any others have some invites left.
Also if
me too...~)
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[tap tap tap] Is this thing on? I haven't received
any messages since the end of April. Did the list
fold? Is everyone on vacation? Or is everyone just
having trouble thinking of things to talk about?
If the lack of list activity is because no one could think
of anything to talk
WALL STREET JOURNAL
DECEMBER 10, 2010, 3:19 P.M. ET
Brazil President Pledges Solidarity with WikiLeaks
By JEFF FICK
RIO DE JANEIRO--Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva offered
his support to embattled WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange on
Thursday, pointing the finger of blame directly
Double-crossing is an exageration...
Alberto Monteiro
Thanks for the corrections, Alberto. What was the extent of Lula's
cooperation with Washington and how did he dis his fellow leftists? Will Dilma
be different? Was the bank robbery to finance the revolt and who were the
people
Leaked U.S. cables, following Lula de Silva's eight years as president of
Brazil, show him cooperating with Washington and double-crossing fellow
leftists.
What's to discuss? The bloke committed treason.
(Against a country he's not a citizen of, and merely be being in charge of an
organisation that receives and publishes material provided by whistleblowers,
which is mostly checked and redacted for personal or currently sensitive
details... but
Lula is president of one of the largest countries in the world, and has an 84%
approval rating. From what I have heard (and Alberto will correct me) he is a
working class hero, and support is strictly on the basis of class. Workers and
poor people are with him, the middle-class brasileiros
I didn't say that. What I said is that only
sociopaths, perverts and baby killers can think
that breastfeeding is obscene.
Would you agree that it is in bad taste
to use foul language, even though it is an expression
of free speech that some feel is disrespectful and
offensive, or are
brilliant posts, bruce, you have excellent karma!~)
I wish there was a happy medium in there somewhere, but finding a technical
solution is futile as opposing social forces will most likely cancel each other
out. The justice system often applies the law unfairly, but is still better
than no
...net nanny software block and report any
search for any string containing the word breast
...that may prevent a woman from learning how to
examine herself for cancer or her options if she
is diagnosed...
...policy of removing pictures of breastfeeding. I
know of a few images that
Alberto, are you saying it's okay to use
obscenities on this list, rather than censor
speech, no matter who may be offended by it?
Jon
I didn't say that. What I said is that only
sociopaths, perverts and babykillers can think
that breastfeeding is obscene.
Alberto, I am curious why
Yes, I am a hater of censorship. But it's not fun
to get _here_ and distill hate against Iran's or
China's censorship.
Alberto Monteiro
How is different than, say, guidelines that
discourage obscenities on a mailing list?
Doug
Because breastfeeding is not obscene - as those sociopaths
Alberto, please explain how Facebook is criminalizing
breastfeeding and how you know this to be a fact? Did
the owners of FB come out and specifically say that?
Also, why can only sociopaths and perverts think that?
Try replacing breastfeeding with something else, like
Hammer and
Why do people join Facebook, when it's owned
by sociopaths and perverts?
What sociopaths and perverts are you referring to, ALberto?
I have many friends from SF Cons that would probably fit
the category. In any case, there are perverts everywhere
depending on your definition. What is yours?
Only a sociopath and pervert can think that
breastfeeding is pornography. It's disrespectful to
breastfeeding (and to pornography too, but wfc?)
those sociopaths and perverts create a Social Network
that criminalizes it.
Alberto, please explain how Facebook is criminalizing
breastfeeding
Where are the docs to prove that Soylent
Green is really people?
-- Matt
The film leaked it all, Matt!~)
...there is overwhelming sentiment against .
Wikileaks in the US
Wayne Eddy.
There seems to be overwhelming sentiment
against Wikileaks' release
I was wondering how people
They teach you in the military that
there are such things as illegal orders.
I would argue that there should also be
illegal secrecy. Keeping a war crime a
secret would qualify.
Doug
Precisely. If that argument is not successfully
made in his defence, then the USA is further
down
Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'm generally for transparency and
haven't heard of anything yet that
is beyond mildly embarrassing to the
U.S. government. I do think where
the safety of our troops is concerned
confidentially is important, but that
government secrets should have a
I wonder if the reason the USSR was engaging in
brinkmanship was less for imperialism and exporting
communism, than from fear of the U.S. threat.
Wouldn't a reasonable person analyze the stated US
policy towards the Soviet Union since about '48,and
look at the history between '48 and
If all that followed that showdown was
just posturing, then nothing that followed
that showdown had any real meaning.
I understand the problem. Context doesn't travel
or easily survive in these written forums. By
posturing I was refering to the military deployments
in Europe as an
Hi all!
Temporarily resurfacing from lurker depth.
I'm getting rid of my old life and working
my *ss of starting a brand new one.
Brin-L is part of my old life, so: Would
anyone be interested in buying the domain names
Brin-L.com and Brin-L.net? Make me an off-list
offer I can't refuse!
There never was a Cold War beginning
with the Korean. War WW III was a global
conflict against Communism in Latin
America, the Carribbean, Africa, Southeast
Asia, Eastern Europe, etc. In fact
the US has been in a state of war under other
names for most of our history. WW IV is
...and judging by GDP figures, the USA is still fighting the Cold War.
There never was a Cold War beginning with the Korean War WW III was a global
conflict against Communism in Latin America, The Carribbean, Africa, Southeast
Asia, Eastern Europe, etc.
In fact the US has been in a state of
My bad. You were right, just a random misplaced thought. Back to lurking.
Sorry, Charlie, it seems the new angry crowd out there either think that
roads and sewage systems just appear or that we pay too much for them. We
can all go back to dirt roads and septic systems, you know:-)
Was
I'm not saying that everything coming out of Garrett's interview with Bernanke
is not worth considering only because of his party affiliation. I am saying
that from my perspective his agenda sucks, so I am judging him by his group, as
far as that goes. These are people who know how to twist
I'm no expert, but it almost seems as if both parties are in on it together and
taking turns while the pendulum swings more and more to the right.
I dunno if the entire financial system would have collapsed if there were no
bailout, and I'm not saying that a depression was what the country
No, you should have seen it on C-Span. Bernanke was
stumbling because he had no answers. He has invested
$1.5T in taxpayer money in bad mortgages that are going
to result in a huge loss of money unless the Treasury
continues to bail them out after their previous bailout
legislation expires
I would argue that the right (the one that
was in power anyway) was doing all the
wasteful spending. T
if you vote for the GOP because you want to
curb wasteful spending, you're barking up the
wrong tree.
Doug fingers crossed
I was NOT arguing you should vote for the GOP (just
most Americans feel that we can balance the
budget without raising taxes by cutting waste
Dan M.
Leftists should recognize the right has a valid
argument about wasteful government spending.
Jon
I just can not believe that the opposition
strategy of the big lie told over and over
I
That's a tempting idea, but this article got
me thinking it is just not true.
Small Change Why the revolution will not be
tweeted. by Malcolm Gladwell
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/bios/malcolm_gladwell/search?contributorName=malcolm%20gladwell
Read more
Electronic forums are the ideal venue for
brainstorming solutions for
social issues, as you can take time to edit your
comments. ?It also
affords more people an opportunity to be less
passive and have a voice.
Moderated sites work best to stay on topic and
maintain civilized discourse.
This would be great internationally as well,
not just in the US. If you want a bit of
(free) adivce on websites, its what I do for
a living for my sins.
My Facebook and twitter profile is alexgogan
Good luck with the project love the idea!
Thanks Alex I'll look you up. I pop up on
I'm running because I want to oppose that system and give
residents a voice in how those millions are spent with a
virtual town hall forum on the city website, for
transparency, and to hold city officials accountable.
Jon
You sound like the kind of guy I might just vote for,
name
Tiririca was a TV clown, he ran for Congress.
He won because he said things like Do you know
what a Congressman does? I don't know either.
Put me there and I will tell you.
I am also running for political office,
for the tenth time...~{
Good luck :-)
Alberto Monteiro
Proving the old adage,
These are books I read recently and enjoyed:
The Year of the Flood Margaret Atwood
Flood Ark Stephen Baxter
House of Suns Terminal World Alistair Reynolds
Climate of Change Piers Anthony
The Secret Eleanor Cecelia Holland
Lion's blood Steven Barnes
Julian Comstock Robert Charles Wilson
The
Dee wrote
Counting down, just a few weeks til I get a bit more breathing room and hope
to get a new list of good books to read. Start me a list please.
Here again, Dee, are the books I read recently. If you are on Facebook, friend
me, and go to my Info page for an expanded list of books
it IS a year with political elections.
Here (Brazil) too. As usual, the weirdest candidate
was the biggest winner - Tiririca, an illeterate TV clown
that nobody remebered for the past 15 years. Now he must
prove that he can read and write, or his votes will be
nullified.
Are you
Facebook Troll
I should have provided more clues... Forrest is
correct, the particle with no mass is the Higgs Boson.
Forrest Higgs (no mass - doesn't exist!~)
Jon
Higgs bosons, if they exist, are not massless: the current
experimental lower limit on their mass is over a hundred
times
Thanks Max, but the conversations on David's page are
fascinating.
However, the problem seems to be solved; I simply
outed the troll,
with his help. The fellow made himself rather
obvious with his
profile picture of a troll like creature, a prenom
from a certain
movie character who
If there is nothing wrong with me, maybe
there's something wrong with the universe.
--ST:TNG, Dr. Beverly Crusher
John--
Well, that was certainly helpful.
---David
I'm no help either, though.
I certainly set myself up for that rejoinder!~)
Jon
We both helped increase list
Some time ago I unsubscribed from this list because of the comments of one
person who has since matured. Now I am having a similar problem with someone
on Dr. Brin's FB page. I sent him the following e-mail and then it occurred to
me I could just ask the list:
I have a question you may not
At least there's an epsilon of truth
in that site: This woman is what
Brazilians call mulher de malandro,
a woman who teases mens, nags them no
end and practically begs to be hit --
and calling someone a mulher de malandro
_very_ offensive.
I meant no offense, Alberto. I have
only
where a
celebrity can get out of a limo,
in a mini, without panties,
SPREAD her legs wide so the
paparazzi can snap her bare beaver.
Jon Mann
Jon Louis Mann wrote:
i think in brazil, you can beat your wife.
No, you can't. Maybe you could, back in 1825.
Alberto Monteiro
http
That, too, but seriously, alberto, basic instinct is just a movie. there are a
lot countries where you really can get away with murder by seducing the cop.
in some countries a woman is arrested and beaten for showing bare ankle. i
think in brazil, you can beat your wife. in some countries
No, the message is The USA is such a free place that a
murder suspect can be brought to a police station without
panties, cross her legs, and get away with that.
Alberto Monteiro
The USA really IS a place where a celebrity can get out of a limo, in a mini,
without panties, SPREAD her legs
I'm heading to Miami today and then into Port-au-Prince
tomorrow morning...
the list has been so quiet that I suspect it will be fine
without me until I
return from Haiti, a week from tomorrow.
Not sure if I have mentioned this trip here... I'm going
with a medical
relief team from Jordan
I must have deleted the e-mail about Deepwater Horizon; I think it was from
Peace Now...?
Here are some other links:
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-05-01-what-are-conservatives-saying-about-the-gulf-oil-disaster
There is an ongoing discussion on this topic on Dr.Brin's Facebook site.
I'm not sure if this forward is verbal hyperbole designed to exaggerate the
magnitude of the environmental catastrophe now known as Deepwater Horizon.
The forward claims we have been fed a gusher of lies to minimize the
Keith Henson wrote:
I am appalled (though not surprised)
that people on this list who
don't have any answers suggest it
might just require the end of
wasteful materialism and joke about
soylent green.
Michael Harney wrote:
I agree, how dare they! Except, I don't remember
anyone
Thanks again to all who sponsored me.
Charlie.
Good on you, Charlie!~)
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I am appalled (though not surprised)
that people on this list who don't
have any answers suggest it might just
require the end of wasteful materialism
wasteful materialism and joke about
soylent green.
Energy hungry synthetic nitrogen is the
reason for something between 1/3 and 1/2
Michael Harney wrote:
I thought I was ready to come back here.
I was wrong. I was too damaged by the
last few years of my life working in a job
that I was ill suited for but had to do to
make ends meet. I'll come back when I
relearn patience.
Michael, what job is it that's so
Shucks, we'd be better of without aircraft,
heavy trucks and diesel powered ships.
It will force us to use alt fuels and
old tech, like wind and steam power!~)
We'll still need oil for lubrication,
but maybe the whale population will
return to what it was in the 17Th century.
Jon
How
how do you propose to power aircraft,
heavy trucks and ships after we run
out of fossil fuels? Also, how long
will it take to replace ICE powered
vehicles?
snip
All the saving you can make in a year
are blown on one short aircraft trip.
Shucks, we're better of without aircraft,
heavy
You guys are lucky, I just got the Palm Pre...
love it .. sort of and set up
my gmail account and a few others and it then
imported ALL my facebook, gmail etc
contacts and there are thousands of contacts
now in the palm pre...
http://www.gogan.com/blog/
Sent from Alex Gogan Ballyboden,
Thanks, Charlie and Andrew. I understand the
iPad is a tablet and not a net book, although it is a lot
lighter than my iBook, and it will allow me to go on the
Internet a lot longer, as well as read books. I can't do
that with a Kindle or the new Barnes and Noble nook.
I don't think I
Jon Louis Mann net_democr...@yahoo.com wrote:
i have been hearing that apple is coming out with a
netbook, and was waiting before replacing my iBook G4.
i like the idea of downloading books for my next bike
tour of new zealand. it will be a lot lighter than
when i toured the north
But how about the iPad???:-)
Kindle app does run on the iPad
so in just 60+ days. learner
i have been hearing that apple is coming out with a netbook, and was waiting
before replacing my iBook G4, but i like the idea of downloading books for my
bike tour of new zealand. i will be a
I accidently sent the Brinlist an invitation to join Facebook. I must have
inadvertently neglected to uncheck it in my address book.
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I am in NYC visiting a friend who survived 9/11 and she shared this with me
about her survivor group.
Dear Sylvia, In partnership with StoryCorps, the National September 11
Memorial Museum is pleased to host new opportunities in the New York area for
victims’ family members, first responders,
Thanks, David, for that succinct, but thorough
explanation of what
motivates the troll and one way to circumvent
it. The fact that this
character is operating behind a false persona
indicates he doesn't
even have the convictions of his philosophical
principles. ---Jon
Jon--
I don't understand turning the Alliance for Progress Encyclopedia into
a wiki format or what's a Brin Wiki, but I am all for doing anything to block
trolls from remove any of Dr. Brin's contributions to the SF lexicon.
I wonder why is someone running a seek-and-destroy against Brin; who is the
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