Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

2004-11-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Sorry about the time lapse in the thread, but I had to seriously cool off before I did something rash. Nick Arnett wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: [Various complaints snipped.] From the e-mail that *everyone* receives when they subscribe: Your first messages will be moderated. If you

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse? :o(

2004-11-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sonja said: Shees indeed. I'm still wondering what all this gall's got to do with MY complaint. I'm my own person and I think I've earned my stripes on this list for being an earnest, concerned and carefull poster. Thus this, your behaviour towards _me_ is totally

decision

2004-11-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
I've finally decided to quit this list. It's been long years of fun, and some years of somewhat less fun. Unfortunatly I just realised that lately it's been no fun at all. I guess it is now time to leave for greener pastures. I wish you all well. Sonja ROU: I've simply had enough, Nick wins.

Re: Anyone for zMud slinging on Tuesday night?

2004-11-02 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 Nov 2004, at 9:55 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are going to be watching the TV with one eye Tuesday night, and on the computer with the other. then how about having the Brin-L room up and running? It'll be there if anyone wants to use it. I'll try to join

Re: Ready for Faster Check Cashing?

2004-10-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been following the Check 21 initiative for about 6 months now and I think this is the beginning of the end for paper checks. I have mixed feelings on this. Even though there will always be people that will want to write a paper check, I suspect that banks will make

Re: Technical problem, or something far worse?

2004-10-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following up on myself -- these last two messages really came through fast! So it is not always six hours... That's good news. Ruben ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l That's because they aren't moderated

Re: A Question about Tolerance

2004-10-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 05:03 PM 26/10/04 -0700, you wrote: Hidey-ho. New (digest) list member here. Chad Underkoffler -- pleezedtameetcha. I have a question, snip The second thing I'd like to discuss is Is tolerance a positive, negative, or neutral meme? and Can tolerance be abused, or is it

Re: Who does GWB think he is?

2004-10-25 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dave Land wrote: snipped A pack of Saudi terrorists hijacked planes on the date of 9/11. A pack of Robin Hood-in-Reverse thieves then hijacked society on the basis of 9/11. Nice rethorics. Sonja GCU: Mudslinging=off ___

Re: VW, was Re: Vacation claims

2004-10-12 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:41:31 +0200, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 5, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Next, I don't know anyone with a BMW or Mercedes well enough to, well, you know. ;) But I

Archive? Document? Huh?

2004-10-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
I've recieved two rather strange messages from the listserve. One has Archive as subject title, the other Document. Both have no content except for an attachment that I'm not going to open and the automatically added listinfo tag at the bottom. Both are send from [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's this

VW, was Re: Vacation claims

2004-10-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Oct 5, 2004, at 9:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Next, I don't know anyone with a BMW or Mercedes well enough to, well, you know. ;) But I know several people with VWs -- would that count? Depends on the model. Beetles? I prefere mine, nicely polished with a little bit

Re: An Emulation Sensation

2004-10-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://www.click2houston.com/technology/3741612/detail.html?treets=houtml=hou_digsts=Ttmi=hou_digs_1_03150110042004 http://tinyurl.com/3l93o snipped some ...Quick Transit, that it claims allows software applications compiled for one processor and operating system to run

Re: Brin: needing to set up a blog

2004-10-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
David Brin wrote: --- Warren Ockrassa wrote:Or were you thinking it'd have a different visual style, or what? (The dashboard can handle a lot of the visual settings...) On a Mac I am now looking at it using Netscape and MS/internet Explorer. Netscape cuts off the upper part including the

Re: An Emulation Sensation

2004-10-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Robert G. Seeberger wrote: http://www.click2houston.com/technology/3741612/detail.html?treets=houtml=hou_digsts=Ttmi=hou_digs_1_03150110042004 http://tinyurl.com/3l93o snipped some ...Quick Transit, that it claims allows

auto resize, was Re: Brin: needing to set up a blog

2004-10-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sonja said: GCU: Flexibillity in layout as a function of detectable resolution settings? I tried that at http://www.theculture.org/rich/ (resize the window and the text size changes), but decided against it elsewhere because it screws up links into the body of

Re: Help! Offshoring/Outsourcing

2004-09-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: snipped Here are some possibilities: *snipped long list of what to do instead of advocating for boycotting third world goods in order to retain moral superiority There are lots more constructive things that Seth Stevenson could do. But urge his First World readers to

Re: Polls

2004-09-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert Seeberger wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Robert G. Seeberger wrote: From The Century Foundation: snipped all but 1 of the 21 KB post And you might have had the good grace to add an L3 to that subjectline. :o) Sonja GCU: Friendly reminder of our etiquette

Justice, was Re: KEP part 4 L3

2004-09-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
OK, lets go back to the previous paragraph. You stated that you wanted every crime against humans punished. Would this include jail? Would the standard for conviction be beyond reasonable doubt or without a doubt. The standard would be according to the spirit of the law (but then you run

Re: tragic coincidence or commupance?

2004-09-10 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert Seeberger wrote: Dave Land wrote: On Sep 9, 2004, at 6:38 PM, JDG wrote: David doesn't strike me as the loaded with smileys type. He (rightly, I think) takes a rather dim view of cheating, thieving morons and the cheating, thieving morons who cheat and steal for them. What about the

Re: Polls

2004-09-10 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert G. Seeberger wrote: From The Century Foundation: snipped all but 1 of the 21 KB post And you might have had the good grace to add an L3 to that subjectline. :o) Sonja GCU: Friendly reminder of our etiquette guidelines ___

Re: Salon.com News Stung! - complete so you don't have to watch the ad

2004-09-10 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gary Denton wrote: snipped all of the 22 KB post Thanks for the service, but you might also have taken that little extra trouble of adding an L3 to your subject line. :o) Sonja GCU: Friendly reminder of our etiquette guidelines :o) ___

Outta here

2004-09-02 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
I'm gonne be out of here for a couple of days. A short holiday like thingy staying over at my moms for a couple of days, lounging in the sun, being pampered a bit. But my mom still doesn't know the first thing about computers and thus I'll be out of touch for a little while. Have fun and play

Re: Privately funded medical research is evil, why it must be eradicated [was: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style]

2004-09-01 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: You know, Erik, if you didn't keep reminding us we might forget what a jackass you are. Lessee, I believe we can trash this one under the header: personal attack. At least stay polite. Or else take it off-list boys. Sonja :o) xROU: Let's play: same rules for all, shall we

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity L3

2004-08-31 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican Gautam

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-30 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Horn, John wrote: Behalf Of Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every German during the holocaust was automatically and without exception a participant in the holocaust and a jew murdering nazi. Since already this premise for your insults towards me

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Snipped al the insults and the thus rendered meaningless rest Gautam, if you weren't so blindingly disposed to calling me openly or covertly a nazi each and every time I say something about the US or WWII that doesn't fit your world view, you might have actually seen the

Re: Abstinence

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
JDG wrote: For the record, most spiritual advisors in the Catholic Church interpret Church teaching to preclude experiencing orgasm outside of marriage. JDG - Not that other experiences can't be satisfying. No wonder they are such sourpu.. eh never mind. Sonja GCU: Better not go there

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: Sonja, I'll make you a deal. If you stop making excuses for people who participated in the Holocaust, I'll stop calling you on it when you do it. No deal. Your basic presumption is flawed. Not every German during the holocaust was automatically and without exception a

Korea, was Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
JDG wrote: At 08:35 AM 8/28/2004 +0100 Richard Baker wrote: JDG said: Or how about being passive in the decades of sufferings of Iraqis under Saddam Hussein? Or during the decades of suffering of North Koreans under Communism? The US sent millions to that corner of the world,

Re: Killings, evil and pictures to assure accountabillity was, Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: I don't feel that I've crossed the line at all, Sonja, when I point out that you will happily give Germans during the Second World War the benefit of every possible doubt, and then some.But when it comes to Jews and Americans, you're not so generous. Says who? Would you

Vietnam, mistakenly was Re: Korea

2004-08-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Damon Agretto wrote: Is the portraiment of the US intervention in Korea correct that basically the intervention served to prevent the corrupt unpopular capitalist government from being replaced by an elected more popular communist government in the midst of the cold war? I think you're

Re: Definition of SF

2004-08-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Bryon Daly wrote: ...But for the surveilance one: sure, something like that hasn't been implemented or has it? , but I think most of the technology building blocks are in place and it would only be a matter of scaling up from there: small steps, not leaps. Web cams? Sonja GCU: one liner

Re: Fascist Censorship Spreads: Vichy Style

2004-08-27 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reports had filtered out earlier, IIRC, though I don't think they'd been given much credence. There is documented skepticism about the whining of the Jews concerning them being targeted by the Nazis. I believe the US and the UK

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-20 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: Re: The Mercies of The Vatican You worship the genocidal, murderous, lying thug of a deity, not I. Perhaps you should

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2004 at 05:36:57PM +0200, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: From the CSI factbook The what? Crime scene investigators factbook? GCU: Meaningless numbers Meaningless acronyms you mean? Something like that. Well, this is what happens when I'm

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-18 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Julia Randolph wrote: And I've attended a few Catholic masses, and based on my very limited experience, pretty much nobody got the wine. Did I just attend some weird churches, or is this common? And I've been to some protestant-denomination churches where grape juice, not wine, was used; is this

Re: The Mercies of The Vatican

2004-08-18 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
William T Goodall wrote: On 18 Aug 2004, at 7:28 am, Doug Pensinger wrote: There is a larger percentage of non-believers here (than in the US at large) so when they do speak up it probably feels as if the wheels are coming off to those that aren't used to having their faith challenged. 8^)

Re: Not a PDA

2004-08-15 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Bryon Daly wrote: Honestly, why do PDA's and iPods (or other ditial music players) need to be separate items to carry around? It'd probably be a bit too costly today, but what I want is a PDA with good color (touch) screen, 20-30GB microdisk storage, good MP3/OGG support, and a CF (compact

Re: Brin: Fight The Future: Encrypted Screws

2004-08-13 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
The Fool wrote: Imagine that TV's have technology that tracks eye movements and records the reflection in your eyes (they already have technology that can figure out what you are looking at solely from reflections on eyes). Now imagine that you cannot disable this big-brother device without

Re: Every Single Sperm

2004-08-13 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:53 AM Monday 8/9/04, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Steve Sloan wrote: Because in my (and many other people's) opinion, opposing contraception is a bad idea that would drastically lower the quality of life for almost everyone. If God opposes all contraception, then that

Re: Objective Evil

2004-08-13 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
JDG wrote: At 04:50 PM 8/9/2004 -0700 Deborah Harrell wrote: Please explain, then, how any war can be just, since it is inevitable that innocents will be killed, maimed and left bereft by. Deborah, I could say the same thing about automobiles. does that mean that driving

Re: Objective Evil

2004-08-13 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
The Fool wrote: -- From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of The Fool -- From: Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] They certainly don't consider themselves Christian or at least don't call themselves that. If you are referring to JW's here you are quite mistaken.

Re: Contraception

2004-08-12 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Julia Thompson wrote: NFP can definitely be useful for spacing children. (An airlock leading to vacuum is also useful for spacing them in a thoroughly different sense.) But repeating the procedure would be a problem after a while. ;o) Sonja :o) GCU Satisfying silence

Re: Contraception

2004-08-12 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
(at 11:56, 11/08/2004, Wednesday GMT +1) Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:00 AM Thursday 8/12/04, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: (which is 10:00, 12/08/2004, Thursday GMT +1) Julia Thompson wrote: NFP can definitely be useful for spacing children. (An airlock leading to vacuum is also useful

Re: Every Single Sperm

2004-08-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
JDG wrote: At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or more to the point when contraception started interfering with the power base of the holy church. Is it so inconceivable that maybe - just maybe

Re: Every Single Sperm

2004-08-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Russell Chapman wrote: JDG wrote: At 10:32 AM 8/7/2004 +0200 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: When it threatened to decrease the number of flock considerably or more to the point when contraception started interfering with the power base of the holy church. Is it so inconceivable that maybe

Re: Every Single Sperm

2004-08-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Russell Chapman wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I am asking the very specific question: Why it is inconceivable that if it is the case that God exists, then He has told Catholics that He does not approve of contraception? Please address all responses to answering that question. And yes, I'm

Re: Objective Evil

2004-08-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:41 PM 8/8/04, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 2:10 PM Subject: Objective Evil The Catholic Church would argue that no, one should not... evil to prevent evil is still

Re: Objective Evil

2004-08-09 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: OK, but not all actions that deliberately kill innocent people is called murder. Sometimes the very name used implies that the end justifies the means. Like in ... execution? Sonja :o) ROU: just ends no means ___

Re: The only food left ...

2004-08-07 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert J. Chassell wrote: My sister sent this to me. I cannot see anything wrong with her reasoning Can't eat beef......mad cow Can't eat chicken.. ...bird flu Can't eat eggs. ...cholesterol Can't eat pork......bacteria Can't eat fish...

Re: List mail arriving in random order, was Re: Two Convention Thoughts

2004-08-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Julia Thompson wrote: I almost think the Imp of the Perverse is tweaking the server at times No imps, just some server kobolds and the occasional troll. Sonja ROU: They only come out at night you know ___

Re: Karmic slappage (was: Phone home?)

2004-08-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert J. Chassell wrote: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote, Actual but non-moral consequences also occur in the 'sins of the fathers (and mothers)' realm: congenital syphilis and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome come to my mind. ... Good point. I wonder whether Fetal Alcohol Syndrome

Re: Hellllloooooooooo.....

2004-08-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
ech echo echoo Gary Nunn wrote: Are we up or down?? It's verrry quiet here... It's becoming rather normal that the list is down around, on or after the week-end. Unfortunatly it's also the most effective way to kill conversation imo. I know *I'm* not inclined to send

Re: Wow

2004-08-03 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 09:09 AM 4/30/04, Andrew Paul wrote: From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Ronn!Blankenship wrote: http://ciclops.lpl.arizona.edu/PR/2004D29/PR2004D29A.html (55KB JPEG or 3MB TIFF) Fun picture Sonja GCU: Saturn put in perspective Yea, it is pretty

Re: Instant Cocoa

2004-06-07 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Deborah Harrell wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: But to use pure cream...now *that's* decadent. It's not decadent. It is just a very nice way to totally spoil yourself rotten after a miserable day. The only problem with this kind of very good

Re: Archbishop Chaput of Denver

2004-06-07 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Julia Thompson wrote: I'm not really familiar with Erasmus. Nutshell description? URL to something I could read in a reasonable period of time? Book recommendation which I might get to sometime in the next 10 years? Thanks! He's famous here even a university is named after him and almost

Re: Instant Cocoa

2004-06-05 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Deborah Harrell wrote: But to use pure cream...now *that's* decadent. It's not decadent. It is just a very nice way to totally spoil yourself rotten after a miserable day. The only problem with this kind of very good cocoa is that a piece of chocolate always tastes bleak in comparison. I

Re: Yay!

2004-05-15 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ritu wrote: ... Ritu GCU Ain't Democracy Grand? Thanks for explaining it was an interesting read :o) Sonja GCU: Living in interesting times ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

On the subject of taxes, was Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda quoted from someone on ABC They include a belief that government is a mechanism to solve the nation's problems; that more taxes on corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the deficit and raise money for social spending and don't have a negative affect on economic growth;

Re: Yay!

2004-05-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ritu wrote: ... So this morning, after six long years, I woke up to an India whose next govt wouldn't dismiss secularism as 'leftist appeasement/cowardly reaction', wouldn't offend me by insisting that some citizens live on the sufferance of others, wouldn't infuriate me by acting as if the

Re: Pentagon admits Geneva convention violations approved?

2004-05-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this is true, then it is an extremely serious manner. It would be admitting deliberate, systematic, authorized violations of the Geneva Convention. That is not just the actions of a few bad apples. It seems to me to be high

Re: floating homes and businesses....

2004-05-10 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gary Nunn wrote: I ran across an interesting article about some homes being built in the Netherlands that will float in a flood. I did a search and found quite a few articles. I really wanted to find a webpage for the company that is building these homes. It sounds like an awesome idea,

Re: Wow

2004-04-30 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: http://ciclops.lpl.arizona.edu/PR/2004D29/PR2004D29A.html (55KB JPEG or 3MB TIFF) Fun picture Sonja GCU: Saturn put in perspective ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: ADMIN: Re: Notification

2004-04-29 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 03:05 PM 4/28/04, Prutje wrote: ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l Spam filters let something through again? -- Ronn! :) That was my e-mail adress that showed up, twice now, but I'm not sure what

heat sink in a sun ship, Re: Designing a space navy...

2004-04-25 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Bryon Daly wrote: His biggest concern seems to be the matter of heat dissipation, which brought to my mind the scene in Heaven's Reach (I think), where the communication (?) laser is used to cool the ship, which is under attack. It's been 5+ years since I read them, and I don't have the

Re: Happiness is

2004-04-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Kevin Tarr wrote: Getting your taxes done two days earlyand the printer's ink quits after two pages. I work 13 hours tomorrow and then need to drive three hours for a Thursday meeting with nursing home people. I'll be lucky to be back by 6pm, with or without new ink cartridges. This made

Re: Study Shows How Vibrating Tools Harm Workers

2004-04-21 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Workers who use vibrating tools for hours on end may suffer permanent damage, and two U.S. researchers said Monday they think they can explain why. http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/04/19/health.vibration.reut/index.html It's Not Because They Can No Longer Be Satisfied By

Re: Irregulars: Solid-state lasers

2004-04-20 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: One of my students asked a question in the middle of class last night that I had no answer for: in the standard red diode laser pointer that you can now buy for chump change just about anywhere, what is the element or compound which produces the light? E.g., in a

The garden

2004-04-20 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
It's finished. Well as much as gardens can be called finished that is. I simply love it. So much space. Useable space that is. Even had a barbie. It was total bliss. No more muddy paws in my kitchen and already flowers are starting to come out. Planted a small lemon tree and a pear tree, have

Re: laundry

2004-04-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Kevin Tarr wrote: Tried this over on the subservient list, but got no response. Any help here? Try the other list again today then grin Sonja GCU: Slow responder ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

atl: Brinlist = spaminfo center?

2004-04-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Hi all, I was just wondering. I'm beginning to see similarities between spam subjects and some topics I responded to on Brin-l. I'm wondering if the community has become a source of info for target spammers. What I noticed is that when I talked about doing up my garden I got spam from garden

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: I'm so confused . . . At 03:30 AM 4/6/04, Mike Lee wrote: Ok, we confess. John Doe and Mike Lee are the same person. Well, we're two personalities of the same person. If you ban us from this list, we will sue you under ADA. If you think it's hard listening to us

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-06 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands Sonja GCU: Top AND bottom posting is eviler

Re: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Tom Beck wrote: | And George Bush is involved in/responsible for this how? So I suppose the fact that maybe Bush isn't responsible for this makes it all okay for these companies to be doing what they're doing? That some of you Bush apologists are so avid to scream at the least imputation

payment policy, Re: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Julia Thompson wrote: Sounds like a much more blatantly illegal version of something I've heard of a company with a lot of local jobs doing. One of the more legal practises I know of is to not pay out any partial worked hours/half hours. If a company has many employees, that kind of dime

IAAMOAC? Re: America the Theocracy

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Mike Lee wrote: Still talking to yourself? Oh. I can see how you might be confused. Let me explain: When someone's being a really egregious idiot, I don't take the time to identify them when I quote them. Actually, I dipped randomly into the ongoing thread, to get an idea of the

Re: payment policy, Re: Welcome to life in George W. Bush's America

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Tom Beck wrote: One of the more legal practises I know of is to not pay out any partial worked hours/half hours. If a company has many employees, that kind of dime work can turn into millions. We're not talking about that. If you read the article I linked to, in many of these cases

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Oh, oh. This one I just discovered in my junk folder, where it actually belongs. It was never intended for the list, but for my drafts folder. Already wondered what happened to it after I accidentally put something on the keyboard. It didn't show up on my box for listmail so I assumed it got

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
at the puter at this time of night after a hard day of grovelling around in our not yet garden. slapping myself Sonja :o) GCU: Major ARGH Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote a lot of offensive stuff snipped the whole lot ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman

Re: [ADMIN] Pseudonymous postings from the Netherlands

2004-04-04 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
To spare you further agony, I'll stop responding to myself now. ;o) Sonja :o) GCU: Good night. Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: And if I'd read my headers correctly before sending an apology to a message that I just found out was never sent to the list but that due to some unexplained

Virus infection alert !

2004-04-02 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Hi, This message is to inform you that Nick's Brin-L service has just dumped an infected message send by Deborah's machine, on the brin-l list. Just to warn the list. And to Nick and Deborah I'd want to suggest that they upgrade their virus protection a notch or two. :o) Infected message

Re: Virus infection alert !

2004-04-02 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Erik Reuter wrote: Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Excuse me!? Sonja GCU: Stop the unfounded harrasments. I've had

Re: Virus infection alert !

2004-04-02 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Nick Arnett wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Huh? Did you look at the headers? It would be a hell of a good forgery if your contention is true. Besides, how did they get the Brin-L subscription list? Is your email list server infected? Or did J do it? Good forgery? All it has to do is forge a return

Re: Virus infection alert !

2004-04-02 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
How nice to know that you are safe. I'm terribly sorry I mentioned you or the list in connection with any of this and I'm very sorry to have troubled you or the list with my concerns. It won't happen again. Sonja GCU: ... Deborah Harrell wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: snipped

Re: IQtest.com, was Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE

2004-03-25 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: snipped background info on IQ tests Much more interesting and useful information (much of it in graphic and tabular form, so it can't be reproduced here) can be found at http://members.shaw.ca/delajara/index.html and its subpages. That was actually rather interesting.

Re: Nasty cuts Re: Book Binding

2004-03-23 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Julia Thompson wrote: snipped horor stories of 'cutting edge' accidents Well I'm the type of gall that don't do big accidents, but that instead does them all the time. It got so bad at one point that my hubby wouldn't allow me anywhere near something sharp. I suspect it was something to do

Re: Book Binding

2004-03-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: Note that we have learned by sad experience that when using one of those neat cutting machines it is necessary to make absolutely sure that when the blade is in the raised position that it is completely up and locked before adjusting the paper to be cut with your very

IQtest.com, was Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE

2004-03-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
William T Goodall wrote: You can do a free IQ test at www.iqtest.com in under 15 minutes. Which I just did. I'm not sure how accurate it is. I got an IQ of 154 which is 'genius' level according to them. That probably makes me an underachiever :) Just did. 156 out of 200. According to them

IQtest.com, was Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE

2004-03-22 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Jim Sharkey wrote: John Doe wrote: The test I took had a maximum score of 150, which gives me a score of 137/150 * 100% = 91.3%. Not that I'm bragging or anything. :-) Sounds like bragging to me, Jerry. Sounds like you're ready for that favorite of Brin-L games, My brain is bigger than

Re: Book Binding

2004-03-21 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/20/2004 10:04:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Vinal glue. By Vinyl glue do you mean PVA, aka Elmer's white glue? Thanks for the response! Milk based white glue cracks. It has to say vinal in the title.

atl: spam eddres harvesting

2004-03-20 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
I've recieved some spam (they called it a newletter) from BOL.com into an account that's never been used. It's a primary accountname that has a couple of aliases attached. So I always use the aliases. When they get spammed too much I kill them and make new ones, something I cannot do with the

Re: Complaint (Was: Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?)

2004-03-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Jon Gabriel wrote: Then have some respect for the rest of us innocent bystanders and take your bashing offlist and out of our mailboxes. If you and all the others who were so vehemently bashing fools virtual head in would kindly remember to come forward and as zealously defend other victims of

Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable vie w.

2004-03-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Gautam Mukunda wrote: The particular case of the slave who was 1/64th blck was quite famous. How interesting, there's a famous brazilian _romance_ of the XIX century with the same story, Escrava Isaura [Slave-woman Isaura], who was turned into a soap-opera, and,

Re: Mileposts to Go

2004-03-18 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the number of posts to read in the last couple of days, I'm surprised anyone finds the time to post. I can't... Make that couldn't. Regards, Ray. 253 to go. LOL, 363 Race ya :-) Dee I'll raise. 1596 and totally exhausted. Gardening does that to one.

Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE

2004-03-16 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 10:09 PM Subject: Re: DEFENDERS OF THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE A big giant THANK YOU to Robert Seeburger for posting the

Re: Are ad honomin attacks ever justified?

2004-02-20 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Dan Minette wrote: If a popular expert on child rearing turns out to have really botched the rearing of their own children, does that lower one's opinion of their work? The children of a shoemaker seldom have good shoes is IIRC what the husband of Dr. Ruth said when asked about the quality

Re: Attachments, was Re: Democrats secular?

2004-02-20 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Kevin Tarr wrote: snip You are still sending it 8bit transfer-encoded and getting the list attatchment. Not a big deal though. At least the mystery of the phantom attatchments is solved. Michael Harney [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did everything I could to turn that off. There is an encoding

Re: BRin-L - are we average? (was RE: Federal Marriage[sic]Amendment)

2004-02-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 02:14 PM 2/18/04, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: In order to be average some need to be on either side of that average. I tend to think that we average out, but only with a big standard deviation over all the values, so that either side up to the outer limits

Attachments, was Re: Democrats secular?

2004-02-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Why do some posts still have attachements? I thought the server that relayes them strippes attachements. Kevin's post f.i. has two (see below). One saying that his outgoing mail is virus free the other was the added iformercial from our friendly neighbourhood server (Which could be scrapped if

Thoughts on 'marriage' also Re: Thoughts on gay marriage?

2004-02-19 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Jim Sharkey wrote: Tom Beck wrote: It's the word marriage that appears to have some mystical, totemic meaning for some lamebrained lazyminded easily stampeded credulous dolts (i.e., most of the American public). snipped some But the idea of calling it marriage does make me uncomfortable

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