Super Bowl Picks

2003-01-25 Thread John D. Giorgis
I like the Raiders to win big. Their defense has played great in the playoffs, and they have just a slew of offensive weapons to handle Tampa's defense. JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:31:07AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: I don't think this is intended to be a place for such debate. We don't have any structure on the list to manage it, No list structure would be required. As I mentioned in my post, each person would post a letter, perhaps once a

Re: Spammers with no shame

2003-01-25 Thread William T Goodall
on 24/1/03 4:51 pm, Julia Thompson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got spam today, an ad for Norton Anti-Virus, and the from claimed to be Andre Norton. This cheesed me off enough to complain to a group containing enough people to understand why I'm cheesed off. :P Julia p.s. anyone,

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:01:56PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: (For example, I didn't know that the list server didn't restart with the rest of the server...) This can be fixed using a script in init.d (which hopefully the listserv came with) and the appropriate start/kill files for the various

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 24 Jan 2003 at 21:11, Doug Pensinger wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: I am sorry that I was unaware of the prior debate; I wasn't a member then. I wouldn't be sorry at all, if I was you. It's a perfectly legitimate and interesting topic and I don't remember any massive flame war in a

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 01:48:52PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote: Lomborg's response was to publish the text of the Scientific American article on his own website and to intersperse it with a detailed response to every point raised by his critics. Scientific American then threatened to sue

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 9:01, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 01:48:52PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote: Lomborg's response was to publish the text of the Scientific American article on his own website and to intersperse it with a detailed response to every point raised by his

Anyone read Wen Spencer?

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
Be interested in any Brinellers opinions on her books.. Andy Dawn Falcon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

RE: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 08:31 24-01-2003 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: It's something of a relief to see a bit of a flame war crop up without the participation of the usual suspect When I first read that post, I immediately equated the usual suspect with Giorgis, but then I remembered the way you have been treating

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 20:01 24-01-2003 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Well, looks like we had a totally unintended break from brin-l for the last 10 or 12 hours. Those of you experiencing significant withdrawl symptoms may now relieve yourselves. Or something like that. I don't know, I'm so dang tired after not one,

RE: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 00:29 25-01-2003 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: You'd probably have to do something completely outrageous and offensive to get tossed. Not really. You can do something completely outrageous and offensive and not get kicked, while less offensive behaviour can get you kicked fairly quickly.

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 02:56:44PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote: Legally, it's unnaceptable. It would be acceptable to anyone who placed rational, scientific debate above matters of profit. If the publishers of _SA_ valued scientific debate more than championing their environmental cause or

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [Listref] Environment On 25 Jan 2003 at 9:01, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 01:48:52PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote: Lomborg's

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 04:06:03PM +0100, J. van Baardwijk wrote: This kind of interruptions are IMO an excellent reason to have the list hosted with a more professional hosting provider. If hosted there, at least we will have continuity, and quick action when something goes wrong with the

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: J. van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 9:06 AM Subject: Re: Whoops!! This kind of interruptions are IMO an excellent reason to have the list hosted with a more professional hosting provider. sarcasms Like

Re: Now I know I am a Netizen!

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 14:57 23-01-2003 -0800, Debbi Harrell wrote: The Old Ones Made Me Do It Maru Ah yes, the classic blame it on your parents approach... GRIN And now you know why I call myself an Evil Overlady: daddy is a squidhead! From one Evil Overperson to another: Join me, oh Evil Overlady! Stand

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:02:59AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Lay off it Jeroen, with the possible exception of Erik, the rest of us are grateful for the effort Nick is putting in. Since I assume by effort you mean hosting the list on his computer, and not his effort at moderating the list,

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:49 25-01-2003 -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: Now, realistically, I don't expect you to do that. But I think that no one on Brin-L wants you to have any control over the list. But I also don't see anyone else suggesting the list be moved. So, who would pay the fees? Not me; I'm already paying

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 10:02 25-01-2003 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: This kind of interruptions are IMO an excellent reason to have the list hosted with a more professional hosting provider. sarcasms Like Cornell, which never went down, right? end Big difference. Cornell had a number of sysadmins who could solve

RE: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Gary L. Nunn
Jeroen wrote. Not me; I'm already paying the fees for brin-l.com, so I am already putting more money into Brin-L then anyone else. What happened to the Brin-L domain auction? Did I miss a thread? ___

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Whoops!! On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:02:59AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Lay off it Jeroen, with the possible exception of Erik, the rest of us are

Re: Super Bowl Picks

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: I like the Raiders to win big. Their defense has played great in the playoffs, and they have just a slew of offensive weapons to handle Tampa's defense. I'll agree on the win. How big it'll be, I'm not going to try to call. :) Julia

France Helped Baghdad Get Nukes

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2003/1/24/113801 It's no accident that the French, along with Germany, have now lined up in opposition to U.S. plans to use military force to neutralize Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program. Especially since, according to at least one

Illegals found working on USS JFK

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/012303/met_11548344.shtml Immigration officials have discovered dozens of illegal aliens working on the USS John F. Kennedy as the aircraft carrier undergoes renovations at Mayport Naval Station. Eleven men, all from Mexico, were arrested and charged

RE: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 11:34 25-01-2003 -0500, Gary Nunn wrote: Not me; I'm already paying the fees for brin-l.com, so I am already putting more money into Brin-L then anyone else. What happened to the Brin-L domain auction? It ended. The auction would end, either if the highest bid would meet or exceed the

More undocumented immigrants arriving armed

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.quepasa.com/content/?c=104id=96473 The U.S. Border Patrol is reporting an increase in the number of detained undocumented immigrants carrying weapons, which could be a response to gun-toting vigilante groups operating on the north side of the frontier. In fewer than four months,

INS arrests 69 foreign workers around Super Bowl

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/news/0103/24insarrests.html Nearly 70 foreign-born security guards and drivers working at or around the Super Bowl were arrested by immigration agents in a three-month operation designed to ensure the safety of fans, authorities said Friday. Another 41 were being

RE: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Gary L. Nunn
It ended. The auction would end, either if the highest bid would meet or exceed the reserve price, or if no new offer would be received within Since the auction has ended, what was the reserve price? ___

Re: Spammers with no shame

2003-01-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Julia Thompson wrote: I got spam today, an ad for Norton Anti-Virus, and the from claimed to be Andre Norton. I got the e-mail telling about his death some days after it was sent. I had put Norton as one of the words that block e-mail to me. Alberto Monteiro

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 12:21 AM 1/25/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: Any additions would be appreciated ;) One wonders if any of them are waiting for Long Pig Lasagna . . . Jon GSV Haute Cuisine! :) To Serve Man Maru I have Karl Würf's cookbook of that name, actually. :)

Re: Helen Thomas on bush

2003-01-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
JDG wrote: This is the worst president ever, she said. He is the worst president in all of American history. Apparently Bill Clinton never sexually harassed her.. Or could it be the reverse? Alberto Monteiro ___

RE: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 12:05 25-01-2003 -0500, Gary Nunn wrote: The auction would end, either if the highest bid would meet or exceed the reserve price, or if no new offer would be received within Since the auction has ended, what was the reserve price? That information is provided on a need-to-know basis. You

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Doug Pensinger wrote: G. D. Akin wrote: I've been on this list for two days and received about 125 posts, most in mid-stream it seems. The Nomination Form for the Torcon 3 2003 Hugos is available on the Conjose 2002 site and in the Torcon 3 PR 4. I'm about to send my nominations in.

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: The effect of the use on the potential market is next to zero, the magazine was already off the shelves. If SI agreed that any author who's work was subject to a negative review has the right to quote the review in a rebottle, then they have not severely limited their

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: I do not accept any automatic disclaimers such as this on general principle. I only make legal agreements when I indicate definitely that I accept the agreement, for example, by signing my name or by typing my name on a line indicating my agreement. Replying to a message

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:42:48AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: EriK, from what I have seen has attempted to be quite helpful when Nick has had questions or problems with the list. And there weren't really many problems, and Nick seemed to have it in control anyway. But I am certainly

NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/okeefe_nasa_030124.html NASA chief, Sean O'Keefe confirmed today White House support for the space agency to accelerate work on space nuclear power and propulsion, as well as grapple with the challenges of extended long-duration human

Re: Spammers with no shame

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: I got spam today, an ad for Norton Anti-Virus, and the from claimed to be Andre Norton. I got the e-mail telling about his death some days after it was sent. I had put Norton as one of the words that block e-mail to me. HER name. Andre

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:23:09AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: I do not accept any automatic disclaimers such as this on general principle. I only make legal agreements when I indicate definitely that I accept the agreement, for example, by signing my name or by typing

G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/astronaut_coasters_030124 .html Here's a story with a lot of twists and turns. Roller coasters and the ever-growing variety of palm-sweating theme park rides have been given an astronaut stamp of approval. New scientific studies have looked at

Top 5 Cosmic Myths

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/top5_myths_020903-1.html Not exactly a test, but interesting enough. xponent Rocks Maru rob You are a fluke of the universe. You have no right to be here. And whether you can hear it or not, the universe is laughing behind

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: Whoops!! On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:42:48AM -0600, Robert Seeberger wrote: EriK, from what I have seen has attempted to be quite helpful when Nick

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Listref] Environment Dan Minette wrote: The effect of the use on the potential market is next to zero, the magazine was already off the

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Andrew Crystall wrote: O Lomborg's response was to publish the text of the Scientific American article on his own website and to intersperse it with a detailed response to every point raised by his critics. Scientific American then threatened to sue Lomborg over copyright. I think that

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating What we do know, and what has been substantiated by science Gibson added, is that riding a roller coaster

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Whoops!! On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 10:02:59AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Lay off it Jeroen, with the possible exception of Erik, the rest of us are

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 6:56, Erik Reuter wrote: _Skeptical Environmentalist_ by Bjoern Lomborg presents an interesting viewpoint about environmentalist claims, makes some apparently reasonable counter claims and gives references to relevant studies. Lomborg has been unfairly attacked by a number

RE: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Erik Reuter Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 4:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Whoops!! On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 08:01:56PM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: (For example, I didn't know that the

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 10:38, Erik Reuter wrote: The point is that copyright law is NOT black and white. There is wiggle room for anyone with sufficient motivation, and that wiggle room has historically favored the corporations and copyright holders over those who wish the work to be in the public

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 12:15, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:23:09AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: I do not accept any automatic disclaimers such as this on general principle. I only make legal agreements when I indicate definitely that I accept the

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 10:02, Dan Minette wrote: This kind of interruptions are IMO an excellent reason to have the list hosted with a more professional hosting provider. sarcasms Like Cornell, which never went down, right? end Lay off it Jeroen, with the possible exception of Erik, the

Backups (was RE: Whoops!!)

2003-01-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... I mean, what if Arnett goes on a three-week vacation, and his server crashes right after he leaves the house? Brin-L could very well be down for the whole three weeks. For the

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 11:19, Robert Seeberger wrote: quick summary: Whoohoo! http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/okeefe_nasa_030124. html NASA's O'Keefe said the objective of Project Prometheus is to hone technologies that allow the agency to fly to any number of destinations

RE: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Erik Reuter ... Since I assume by effort you mean hosting the list on his computer, and not his effort at moderating the list, then you can remove me as a possible exception. I have stated before that

RE: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... took control of the list. So, given your tendency to turn against me but not against others in any flame war, I can only assume that the phrase the usual suspect refers to me. I

Re: Whoops!!

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Andrew Crystall wrote: On 25 Jan 2003 at 12:15, Erik Reuter wrote: On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:23:09AM -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: I do not accept any automatic disclaimers such as this on general principle. I only make legal agreements when I indicate

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Along with his shuttle flights, Gibson underscored his familiarity with g-forces in flying high-performance jet fighters for 30 years. He took note of greying-out, blacking-out and GLOC - short for G-Induced Loss of Consciousness, drawing from personal experience.

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [Listref] Environment On 25 Jan 2003 at 6:56, Erik Reuter wrote: _Skeptical Environmentalist_ by Bjoern Lomborg presents an interesting

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 12:12, Dan Minette wrote: On 25 Jan 2003 at 6:56, Erik Reuter wrote: _Skeptical Environmentalist_ by Bjoern Lomborg presents an interesting viewpoint about environmentalist claims, makes some apparently reasonable counter claims and gives references to relevant

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Baker
Andy said: Whatever, I'm pleased that they're kickstarting the space effort again. I'll be happier when I see engineers working on actual hardware. We've been through this stage so many times before: the Space Exploration Initiative, National Aerospace Plane, Delta Clipper, VentureStar, the

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 18:18, Richard Baker wrote: Andy said: Whatever, I'm pleased that they're kickstarting the space effort again. I'll be happier when I see engineers working on actual hardware. We've been through this stage so many times before: the Space Exploration Initiative,

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 06:11:17PM -, Andrew Crystall wrote: It well might be the publishers fault, but the book was SOLD as hard science. I see that as a problem. What does sold as hard science mean? The copy I read came from the library, but it had what I assume to be the commercial

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 11:52 PM 1/24/2003 -0800, you wrote: G. D. Akin wrote: I've been on this list for two days and received about 125 posts, most in mid-stream it seems. The Nomination Form for the Torcon 3 2003 Hugos is available on the Conjose 2002 site and in the Torcon 3 PR 4. I'm about to send my

Re: Super Bowl Picks

2003-01-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 06:41 AM 1/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: I like the Raiders to win big. Their defense has played great in the playoffs, and they have just a slew of offensive weapons to handle Tampa's defense. JDG Tampa will win. Kevin T. 'nuff said ___

Re: Female or Shemale? late answer

2003-01-25 Thread chaton . jm
got 14/16 -- Jean-Marc ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Banks recommendations Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Kevin Tarr wrote: Use of Weapons should always be the first Culture book you read, to see if you can stand it. joking Well, if you can't, then the people around you are going to suffer from it, at least initially. :P Julia who lives with someone who's only read _Use of Weapons_,

Re: Banks recommendations Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 25 Jan 2003 at 13:17, Julia Thompson wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Use of Weapons should always be the first Culture book you read, to see if you can stand it. joking Well, if you can't, then the people around you are going to suffer from it, at least initially. :P Julia who

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Andrew Crystall wrote: On 25 Jan 2003 at 18:18, Richard Baker wrote: Andy said: Whatever, I'm pleased that they're kickstarting the space effort again. I'll be happier when I see engineers working on actual hardware. We've been through this stage so many times before: the Space Exploration

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Richard Baker
Doug said: Does anyone have a rough idea of how the nuclear propulsion works? I haven't seen anything associated with Prometheus that describes the system involved, but if it's a nuclear thermal rocket then there's lots of information on the technology at

RE: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 09:56 25-01-2003 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: And I wish you luck in letting go of your resentments. If you succeed, I'm quite sure you'll find greater peace. Unfortunately, my resentments are caused by your behaviour. IOW, my resentments are directly tied to you. So, for my *resentments* to

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Kevin Tarr wrote: Cat like? I didn't know they were cat like. Chelgrian's are covered with fur, have retractable claws and long Tawny tails, and they prefer to sit in curl pads. Also they are predators. From what I gather they have three legs and two arms. I know there were other cues,

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:43 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [Listref] Environment Dan Minette wrote: The effect of the use on the potential market is next to

Re: Helen Thomas on bush

2003-01-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 12:51 AM 1/25/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: I find it fascinating that the only people I ever hear complaining about Senator Hillary Clinton are non-New Yorkers. Obvious Republican mouthpieces like the NY Post, Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh notwithstanding, I've

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 11:51 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating What we do know, and what has been substantiated by science

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 12:00 PM 1/25/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Along with his shuttle flights, Gibson underscored his familiarity with g-forces in flying high-performance jet fighters for 30 years. He took note of greying-out, blacking-out and GLOC - short for G-Induced Loss of

RE: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:51 PM 1/25/03 +0100, J. van Baardwijk wrote: At 09:56 25-01-2003 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: And I wish you luck in letting go of your resentments. If you succeed, I'm quite sure you'll find greater peace. Unfortunately, my resentments are caused by your behaviour. IOW, my resentments

Re: every internet web server can be compromised

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0%2C3973%2C841144%2C00.asp Web Vulnerability Puts Internet Users, Sites At Risk By David Worthington, Freelance Writer, special to ExtremeTech snip rest Thanks for the info. Now, are you going to post a link about the MSSQL worm,

RE: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread J. van Baardwijk
At 15:45 25-01-2003 -0600, Ronn Blankenship wrote: And I wish you luck in letting go of your resentments. If you succeed, I'm quite sure you'll find greater peace. Unfortunately, my resentments are caused by your behaviour. IOW, my resentments are directly tied to you. So, for my

MSSQL worm

2003-01-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Yahoo! news article at http://makeashorterlink.com/?K28962933 Brought to my attention by someone on another list, who posted the link http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,5771929~root=security,1~mode=flat It's a message board where a lot of techies are discussing the problem, what's happened

Re: Helen Thomas on bush

2003-01-25 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:32:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the worst president ever, she said. He is the worst president in all of American history. Apparently Bill Clinton never sexually harassed her.. Same old problem. a confusion of

Re: Spammers with no shame

2003-01-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Andrew Crystall wrote: Norton the company DO kinda spam you if you use NAV :( I don't use [and since I don't use any anti-virus, I never get a virus], and will never use. But I get spammed the same way :-( Alberto Monteiro ___

Re: Top 5 Cosmic Myths

2003-01-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Ronn Blankenship wrote: I ask the students when they think Earth is closest to the Sun. Few guess anywhere near the correct answer (sometime between Jan 1 4 on the calendar: Of course, we the Southerners can't use this to explain that the seasons are caused by the inclination and not

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Doug Pensinger asked: Does anyone have a rough idea of how the nuclear propulsion works? Probably the same way a chemical rocket works, if the analogy nuclear rocket:chemical rocket::nuclear power plant:chemical power plant is valid: a fission reaction heats something that is ejected in the

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Alberto Monteiro wrote: Doug Pensinger asked: Does anyone have a rough idea of how the nuclear propulsion works? Probably the same way a chemical rocket works, if the analogy nuclear rocket:chemical rocket::nuclear power plant:chemical power plant is valid: a fission reaction heats something

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:27 PM 1/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: Kevin Tarr wrote: Cat like? I didn't know they were cat like. Chelgrian's are covered with fur, have retractable claws and long Tawny tails, and they prefer to sit in curl pads. Also they are predators. From what I gather they have three legs and

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Alberto Monteiro
Doug Pensinger wrote: But I have no idea how you could _cool_ the nuclear motor in space :-) Heat pipes, maybe? And take the cool refrigerant from where? Nuclear power plants are placed near huge water masses so that the water may be used to cool the reactor [and create three-eyed fishes].

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 6:15 PM Subject: Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts Doug Pensinger asked: Does anyone have a rough idea of how the nuclear propulsion works?

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating At 11:51 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger

Re: NASA Chief Outlines New Nuclear, Space Plane Efforts

2003-01-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 01:55 AM 1/26/2003 +, you wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: But I have no idea how you could _cool_ the nuclear motor in space :-) Heat pipes, maybe? And take the cool refrigerant from where? Nuclear power plants are placed near huge water masses so that the water may be used to cool the

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 03:17 PM 1/25/2003 -0600, you wrote: At 12:00 PM 1/25/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Robert Seeberger wrote: Along with his shuttle flights, Gibson underscored his familiarity with g-forces in flying high-performance jet fighters for 30 years. He took note of greying-out, blacking-out

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 08:41 PM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating At 11:51 AM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: -

Re: Helen Thomas on bush

2003-01-25 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/25/2003 1:27:15 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No. Those of us who don't want such things as her version of nationalized health care see her main, if not only reason, for running for Senator was as a stepping stone to running for President. Well

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/25/2003 12:20:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The caveat I place on _Darwin's Radio_ is, do NOT read it if you are a woman considering becoming pregnant in the next couple of months, because it may freak you out on that front just a bit. I

Re: Helen Thomas on bush

2003-01-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 12:49 PM 1/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 12:51 AM 1/25/03 -0500, Jon Gabriel wrote: I find it fascinating that the only people I ever hear complaining about Senator Hillary Clinton are non-New Yorkers. Obvious Republican mouthpieces like the NY Post, Ann Coulter

Re: [Listref] Environment

2003-01-25 Thread Bemmzim
In a message dated 1/25/2003 1:11:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The worst he could be is wrong. To call that an attack on science is simply a polemic. It well might be the publishers fault, but the book was SOLD as hard science. I see that as a problem. It is

Re: First real post - Hugo Noms

2003-01-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/25/2003 1:19:43 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Haven't found a copy yet short of paying $20 for a paperback at amazon.uk. Which I intend to do shortly if I don't find a copy soon. Mr. Taylor? Doug Huh er ah? I just got back

Re: G-Whiz: Roller Coasters Get Astronaut Rating

2003-01-25 Thread Ronn! Blankenship
At 09:57 PM 1/25/03 -0600, Dan Minette wrote: Must be more stringent than the specs for the NaI(Tl) crystals and PM tubes I recall from the unclear lab, or PM tubes used in astronomy. Although fortunately I haven't actually tested any of them for impact resistance . . . Very much so.