Bike Touring was Re: Racial and Gender bigotry

2008-10-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/10/2008, at 7:20 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Where did you tour on your bicycle? Charlie Some Experience Of Human Powered Travel Maru New Zed in '87 89. I hitched all over Aus and had all kinds of adventures. I am thinking about building a bike and doing the South Island and

Re: 'Heroes': Five Ways to Fix a Series In Crisis

2008-10-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/10/2008, at 8:10 PM, Richard Baker wrote: Rob said: Last I knew, Heroes was tracking within a week of original views here to over there. (As best I recall) I miss the days when we got Battlestar Galactica a long time ahead of the US. I was somewhat amused by the fury I heard

Re: 'Heroes': Five Ways to Fix a Series In Crisis

2008-10-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/10/2008, at 10:01 AM, xponentrob wrote: - Original Message - From: Ronn! Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: 'Heroes': Five Ways to Fix a Series In Crisis

Re: Racial and Gender bigotry

2008-10-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/10/2008, at 6:00 AM, Ray Maree Ludenia wrote: I have been lurking on this mailing list for several months reading the posts and discussing the ideas with my husband (a list member for many years, albeit one who hasn't posted in a while). Muahahaha. You have been assimilated. Hi

Re: 'Heroes': Five Ways to Fix a Series In Crisis

2008-10-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/10/2008, at 10:48 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: You could watch it on-line. We could, but... You're assuming fast, inexpensive, uncapped broadband. We have ADSL1 with a total usage cap. To get a decent amount of data at a decent speed, we'd be paying double what we are for the

Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/10/2008, at 9:59 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Do you think it is reasonable that someone should participate in a discussion they are also moderating? In a public forum or in a democracy, no. But this is a private forum, on a private server. It's entirely reasonable for the host to

Re: monotonous posting

2008-10-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/10/2008, at 10:50 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: Sometimes some folks have problem spotting the troll. Yep. Sneaky at times, them trolls. And there's a subtle difference between someone trolling purely maliciously, and someone yanking a chain in order to hold a mirror up to someone else's

Ouch (crosspost).

2008-10-19 Thread Charlie Bell
Yesterday I took part in the Around The Bay in a Day ride. Here's the route. Length of about 210km (130 miles). http://www.bv.com.au/map/gmap/atb2008/?slct1=2 I was on the bike for 8h 10m (and on a standard road bike rather than my recumbent...). I was in a fair bit of pain at the end.

Re: monotonous posting

2008-10-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/10/2008, at 11:11 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien wrote: I've always loved the quote from Abraham Lincoln: Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt. If it was indeed Lincoln that penned it. It's also been attributed to Mark Twain, Oscar Wilde and a

Re: No more feeding the troll (was Re: Debunking B.S. from the so-called debunker )

2008-10-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/10/2008, at 1:12 PM, William T Goodall wrote: On 20 Oct 2008, at 03:07, Nick Arnett wrote: I'll stop feeding him now and perhaps ponder just how much disruption the list managers should tolerate. A lot, of course, but sheesh... I really don't think you are fit to be list

Two Weeks To Go

2008-10-19 Thread Charlie Bell
And then we find out if the US will continue its slide into theocracy and demagoguery, or if there's at least a glimmer of hope in turning what should be one of the world's great citizen nations back from the brink. I know there's not been a lot of election chatter this time round. I

Re: Two Weeks To Go

2008-10-19 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/10/2008, at 4:24 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: But how amazing would it be if Obama does win? I'd have told you a year ago that there was no way in hell that an African American could compete for the presidency, let alone be the favorite with a few weeks to go. The unfortunate thing is

Re: Gotta get me a digeridoo

2008-10-10 Thread Charlie Bell
On 10/10/2008, at 1:14 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: Considering how much people gripe about the dust in their tents, I kinda thought it was camping Is this camping? www.trikeabout.org/images/camping.jpg Charlie. Somewhere In Oz Maru ___

Re: Gotta get me a digeridoo

2008-10-09 Thread Charlie Bell
On 10/10/2008, at 2:39 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: I like hearing a Theremin. There's nothing in the world quite like waking up to a little blues group that includes a theremin. Especially when you can't remember letting them in the house. Charlie.

Re: Post Turtle

2008-10-06 Thread Charlie Bell
On 06/10/2008, at 11:12 AM, Doug Pensinger wrote: While suturing a cut on the hand of a 75 year old rancher, who's hand was caught in the gate while working cattle, the doctor struck up a conversation with the old man. Eventually the topic got around to Palin and her bid. The old rancher

Re: Channeling...

2008-09-30 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/09/2008, at 6:24 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote: I demand to have some booze! 10 points to anyone who can determine which movie that comes from. Withnail and I, you terrible c**t. So, can you construct a Camberwell Carrot? Do you cover yourself in Deep Heat to stay warm? Have you gone 60

Re: $10

2008-09-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/09/2008, at 4:17 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: In this case, Jon claims that John Williams is channeling erstwhile list-member Eric Rueter with his gruff posts. Dave i guess eric was before my time, but i am not the one who accused jw of channeling eric, i doubt jw is on that level.

Re: $10

2008-09-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/09/2008, at 7:37 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Zimbabwe dollars? Was changing too fast for me to give you a number. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Global Warming and new numbers

2008-09-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/09/2008, at 10:23 AM, Dan M wrote: China is doing nothing that the UK, Australia, the US, etc. didn't do on the way up the economic ladder. So, I didn't mean to assess blame, just point out that global warming is becoming an issue that is outside the control of the West.

Re: Global Warming and new numbers

2008-09-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/09/2008, at 11:34 AM, Dan M wrote: There are some radical new ideas (like right handed algae) ? Would this be algae that process carbon into sugar enantiomers that then couldn't be broken down organically? Charlie. ___

Re: Global Warming and new numbers

2008-09-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/09/2008, at 12:11 AM, Dan M wrote: Would this be algae that process carbon into sugar enantiomers that then couldn't be broken down organically? snip and shuffle So, from what I know, the answer to your question would be no; it's algae that uses water, photosynthesis and carbon

Re: Global Warming and new numbers

2008-09-26 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/09/2008, at 3:02 AM, Dan M wrote: 2007 numbers have just come out, and they confirm a disturbing trend. China in 2007 emitted 2 billion tons of carbon, compared to the US's 1.75 billion in second place. The US actually went up 2%, so China had to go up about 10% to get that

Re: Teleology

2008-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/09/2008, at 6:19 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Yes, most of us know what teleology is. Why did you post a definitition of teleology in response to my descriptions of evolution as non-teleological? Charlie. I recall the term from philosophy 101, but that was over 40 years ago. I

Re: Spore

2008-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/09/2008, at 10:51 AM, Bryon Daly wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who's playing? What are your screen names? I was planning on buying Spore, but the only 3 installations for a game you purchased deal is where I've drawn my line

Re: Some random thoughts on Wall St. and the meltdown

2008-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/09/2008, at 10:31 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Requiring qualifications to express an opinion is demanding the acceptance of argument from authority, a poor place to situate foundations. Especially for those of us with enough

Re: PBS NewsHour report on bailout

2008-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/09/2008, at 10:37 PM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: On Sep 24, 2008, at 9:03 PM, John Williams wrote: We had AIG turn down three offers to buy the company because they thought they would get a better deal from the government. It turned out they didn't get the better deal from the government.

Re: Some random thoughts on Wall St. and the meltdown

2008-09-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/09/2008, at 11:45 PM, Richard Baker wrote: Charlie said: Which is why, to take a completely random example, I weigh Dan's and Rich's opinions on physics or the oil industry far higher than I do Dan's on biology or economics, or Rich's on modern warfare (say...) I'm pretty sure that

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 8:36 AM, John Williams wrote: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Instead of mocking, why don't you try EXPLAINING. Instead of telling other people what you think they should do, why don't YOU explain whatever you believe needs explaining? Because I'm not the one mocking

Re: Teleology

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 9:29 AM, William T Goodall wrote: On 23 Sep 2008, at 23:13, Charlie Bell wrote: Yes, most of us know what teleology is. Why did you post a definitition of teleology in response to my descriptions of evolution as non-teleological? He was repulsing a windmill full

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 9:12 AM, John Williams wrote:\ The only thing that would put my mind at ease would be for the people to have a strong distrust for leaders as well as a culture of not forcing ideals upon others. And the courage to fight if the leaders break the trust that was placed

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 1:16 PM, John Williams wrote: Sorry, I have much less confidence in politicians and people like you than I do in the collective self- interest and creativity of a large group of talented people to solve problems competitively. Tragedy of the Commons. Murray/Darling River

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 2:34 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: Me: Ah yes, because I'm definitely running for office right now. Come on, this is just tiresome. At least try to have a simple discussion without accusing everyone of bad faith. Yeah. Discussions can get heated, and occasionally blow

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 11:20 PM, John Williams wrote: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] No, they disagree, so they're imposing their views on others. *shrug* It's your loss. The sad thing is, you'll never know what you're actually missing. If what I'm missing is being told what to do, I hope I

Re: Wahh! (was Re: Meltdown)

2008-09-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 11:55 PM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:45 AM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If I do not want to do something that someone forces me to do, that is by definition NOT my prerogative. Show of hands -- who else found themselves instantly thinking

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/09/2008, at 10:26 AM, Dan M wrote: Other posters have pointed out the fact that best suited is dependant on the particulars of the environment, the history of environments, etc. Charlie may correct me, but I think I recall him stating that there is no teleology in evolution. If

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/09/2008, at 1:27 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: The general SEC requirement had been to limit it to 12X. An exception was made in 2004 for 5 companies - Goldman, Merrill, Lehman, Bear Stearns, and Morgan Stanley. None of which exist today in the form they did five years ago. D'oh.

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/09/2008, at 10:26 AM, Dan M wrote: Other posters have pointed out the fact that best suited is dependant on the particulars of the environment, the history of environments, etc. Charlie may correct me, but I think I recall him stating that there is no teleology in evolution. If

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 3:11 AM, Olin Elliott wrote: I give my consent to be governed by people with whom I disagree, so long as they are elected by legal democratic means. Nick Don't forget, Hitler was elected by Democratic means. Olin Kind of. Was horse-trading in the parliament that got

Re: Teleology

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 4:27 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Charlie may correct me, but I think I recall him stating that there is no teleology in evolution. which is why I am an atheist... If I did, I was paraphrasing much greater thinkers than I. But yes. Evolution is a drunken walk. Or a moth

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 6:40 AM, John Williams wrote: Dan M [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem was that no-one (including the board of directors of AIG knew that AIG was insolvent until the day the government intervened. LOL! Do you believe in the tooth fairy, too? Instead of mocking, why don't

Re: Meltdown

2008-09-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 24/09/2008, at 6:21 AM, Dan M wrote: The problem was that no-one (including the board of directors of AIG knew that AIG was insolvent until the day the government intervened. That sounds implausible. Someone knew. It's what level they were at and what they choose to do with the

Re: Farm subsidies

2008-09-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/09/2008, at 1:58 PM, Euan Ritchie wrote: NZ's population is just over 4 million (in a country 20% larger than the U.K), we have more like 60 millions sheep currently and not many of their pastures were rain forests (only the very North of NZ is sub-tropical, mostly we've a temperate

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 22/09/2008, at 12:37 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there no way to define success in evolutionary terms? Wiki describes natural selection thus: Over many generations, adaptations occur through a combination of

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 22/09/2008, at 2:16 AM, John Williams wrote: John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] realize it when their infallibility is pointed out. Such as this lack of infallibility. I certainly hope this guy doesn't try to force his will on others with mistakes like that! It's possible to tell

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 22/09/2008, at 6:36 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: You've hit on something that's both profound and irrelevant. Ack! I'll never earn a living this way! Heheh! Seriously, it's a good point you made, but it's more

Re: ZPG

2008-09-18 Thread Charlie Bell
On 19/09/2008, at 11:08 AM, Dave Land wrote: It was an urban legend and a filthy lie that a certain kind of politician used to smear fine people in the 1980s, and I doubt very much that actual welfare mommies of the kind you describe ever existed. I'm sure that they do exist having seen such

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/09/2008, at 8:52 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: Deciding who does and does not get to have children (or deciding how many they're allowed to have) is in the same class of problems as deciding who lives or who dies. But noting that in affluent, educated societies, birth-rates fall (and

Re: HI Tech Utopia

2008-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2008, at 9:13 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 03:12 PM Wednesday 9/17/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i like the idea of living in arcologies under the earth, oceans, and ice caps, so the planet can revert to habitats for plant and animal species. Humans are not adapted to living in

Re: ZPG

2008-09-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/09/2008, at 11:32 AM, Bruce Bostwick wrote: I for one would particularly like there to be a simulation environment that could be used to catch unintended consequences like these, as well as alpha and beta test environments with some degree of user acceptance testing and feedback, before

Re: Vasectomy

2008-09-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/09/2008, at 8:14 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: At 04:17 PM Tuesday 9/16/2008, Jon Louis Mann wrote: I am single now, but if I met the right woman and she wanted to have a child, I would not rule it out. Isn't that pretty much how we got to have approaching 7 billion people in the

Re: Fair Trade

2008-09-16 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/09/2008, at 8:05 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: No, it's just what I ask _everybody_ who suggests that approaching 7 billion (or whatever the current world population happens to be) is too many people: where _specifically_ do you suggest that the needed reductions be made, and if you

Re: BOOKS

2008-09-13 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/09/2008, at 7:11 PM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote: I did! I did!! Unfortunately when I asked several months ago on this list and the Culture list* I seemed to be rather unique in being able to make that claim. Took a while to arrive was the problem. I liked it. Not his best, but a

Re: BOOKS

2008-09-13 Thread Charlie Bell
On 13/09/2008, at 3:37 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Of the culture books, Matter was probably my least favorite. Many consider A Player of Games the best, but I prefer Consider Phlebus. If you like action, CP's the ticket. CP is great. My favourite is PoG, but I think Excession's

Re: Free Market

2008-09-11 Thread Charlie Bell
On 12/09/2008, at 6:58 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: If you think that some people are not being paid adequately, why don't you give them some of your wealth? Here in the United States, like many countries, if you're

Re: war on the environment...

2008-09-03 Thread Charlie Bell
On 04/09/2008, at 6:19 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Ok, but, above, you only list the _preys_. Where are the big predators? There ain't no big predators in North America except Man. Puma, several bear species, wolves, alligators... Charlie ___

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-09-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/09/2008, at 2:41 PM, John Williams wrote: My impression is that this list has an ongoing debate between religous people, with faith in their gods, and government people, with faith in their politicians. I'm neither of those. I'm not sure how long you've been lurking, but this

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/09/2008, at 11:18 AM, Dan M wrote: Now, IIRC, Charlie had some quibbles with do onto others as you would have them do unto you. He noted, correctly, that others may want and need things differently from your own needs and wants. (Reminds me of the old story of the monkey who

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/09/2008, at 11:40 PM, William T Goodall wrote: The only way to prove it is as a theorem from another axiom that's not provable: e.g. because we are all made in the image and likeness of God we must love one's neighbor as oneself. Or it could be a social contract. OK, jinxed.

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-09-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/09/2008, at 12:50 AM, John Williams wrote: Charlie Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes - regulations should be about putting a brake on waste and environmental damage, unethical practices and exploitation. I don't understand the yes, since what follows the yes does not agree with what I

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/09/2008, at 1:07 AM, Dan M wrote: I accept a variant of the golden rule, I just don't accept that it's anything other than a personal and social contract. OK, so just to be clear, you think that no social or personal contract is actually better than any other. Oh for fuck's

Re: Welcome to Hyperinflation!

2008-09-02 Thread Charlie Bell
On 03/09/2008, at 6:58 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:41 PM, John Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My impression is that this list has an ongoing debate between religous people, with faith in their gods, and government people, with faith in their politicians. Eh?

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-09-01 Thread Charlie Bell
On 01/09/2008, at 10:32 AM, David Hobby wrote: No, it's the honest terminology. Abortion kills children, very young children who can't survive outside the womb, and who wouldn't count as human at all except for their human DNA. They're not children yet! Children have *been born*. Late-term

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-01 Thread Charlie Bell
On 01/09/2008, at 1:17 PM, Dan M wrote: Well, having looked at Hume and having read several reviews of Moore's work that discuss the Naturalistic Fallacy, it appears that you and I may actually agree on a philosophical point: that one cannot deduce ethics from nature. Neither can one

Re: Science and Ideals.

2008-09-01 Thread Charlie Bell
On 01/09/2008, at 6:56 PM, William T Goodall wrote: The question of how we come to have ethical ideas is a different kind of question, with a different kind of answer, than the question of what is good. The question 'where do our ethical ideas come from' has the answer 'our nature as

Re: Gas prices alternative fuel sources. (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-09-01 Thread Charlie Bell
On 02/09/2008, at 1:58 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: Nothing motivates the masses more that money. If we're still buying $1.50 a gallon gas at the pumps, why would anyone be motivated to get rid of that Hummer getting 10 miles per gallon (on a good day!) and find more efficient and

Re: Personhood (was: Sarah Palin)

2008-08-31 Thread Charlie Bell
On 31/08/2008, at 2:54 PM, Olin Elliott wrote: On 30/08/2008 Charlie Bell wrote: ...there are some people that believe human life starts at birth. There are a few (a very few) that believe it starts when humans attain sapience (Peter Singer is one). There are many that think it starts

Re: Vice Presidential candidate Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread Charlie Bell
On 31/08/2008, at 12:50 AM, Gary Nunn wrote: McCain's VP Wants Creationism Taught in School http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/08/mccains-vp-want.html Told you Maru William T Goodall I'm reading that blog entry a little different. She appears to be advocating to allow the

Re: vaccines and autism

2008-08-30 Thread Charlie Bell
On 31/08/2008, at 5:30 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: The reason to give shots early is that's when the immune system is doing its major formational work, learning as much as it can as fast as it can. Vaccination is more likely to be effective for different diseases at different times.

Re: Sarah Palin

2008-08-30 Thread Charlie Bell
On 31/08/2008, at 8:48 AM, Alberto Vieira Ferreira Monteiro wrote: I don't. When atheist-based ideology condemns every baby with Down Syndrome to be search and destroyed, it's a message that people with Down Syndrome should also be hunted and gassed. There is no atheist-based ideology, and

Re: Secular belief vs Science

2008-08-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 30/08/2008, at 8:05 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Pascal's Wager (or Pascal's Gambit) is a suggestion posed by the French philosopher Blaise Pascal that even though the existence of God cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though God exists, because so living

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/08/2008, at 6:36 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i have to agree that rule britannia were less brutal than most of the other european colonists. Really? I'm sure Native Americans, original Australians (especially in Tasmania where they were wiped out), the fuzzywuzzies who were made to

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/08/2008, at 1:53 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Charlie wrote: I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do with the adverse effect of the extreme amount of stress on a young, developing body? If the rule was arbitrary, why don't they have it for other sports? They do.

Re: Portuguese expansion and Religion is Evil [was: Sore losers]

2008-08-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 28/08/2008, at 10:43 PM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: Charlie Bell wrote: Really? I'm sure Native Americans, original Australians (especially in Tasmania where they were wiped out), the fuzzywuzzies who were made to build railways in Africa and so on would disagree with that. Britain has

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/08/2008, at 12:27 PM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: Because if you assign 3 points for gold, 2 for silver and 1 point for bronze, then the crybaby yanks lost to china, and that is unacceptable to the American chauvinist, patriotic, jingoist, dogmatic, nationalistic media. Americans can

Re: Sore losers

2008-08-27 Thread Charlie Bell
On 27/08/2008, at 3:26 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Jon wrote: They whine because they can't prove the Chinese gymnists lied about their age. Who cares what age they are; that is an arbitrary rule that should be eliminated. I could be wrong, but doesn't the rule have something to do

Re: Apology (was Re: Off-topic., monotonous posting (was Child-killing religion))

2008-08-21 Thread Charlie Bell
On 21/08/2008, at 7:48 PM, William T Goodall wrote: Newness is a rather high standard to set. Most of the arguments are quite old but still not settled. But you're not arguing, you're just posting third party articles that reinforce your worldview. The silent majority on the list love

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:35 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: sounds like peter hamilton's new trilogy http://www.peterfhamilton.co.uk/index.php?page=Void_Trilogy what is de Sitter vs. anti-de Sitter universe? Which I've not yet read, even though I quite like Hamilton. I own a copy of Dreaming Void, but

Re: Alastair Reynolds

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:45 AM, Olin Elliott wrote: Has anyone here read Alastair Reynolds -- Revelation Space, Chasm City, Redemption Ark. Revelation Space - so so. CC - v. good. RA - alright. I like Reynolds, but he's merely good not utterly brilliant. I've been reading his books for the

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:57 AM, Olin Elliott wrote: Betrand Russell (I'm fairly sure it was him) used to call himself A Teacup Athiest. He said he couldn't prove, beyond any doubt, that there wasn't a pink teacup orbiting the sun, but he didn't think that meant that the likelihood of it

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 9:50 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: i sit corrected, in the name of atheism. as a devout atheist i believe there ain't no gawd, but i can't prove it, so i take it on faith. i believe the universe is cyclical and the big bang occurs when all the galaxies in the universe

Re: The First Event

2008-08-05 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 11:14 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Reality is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. Sorry: Time is an illusion. Lunchtime, doubly so. If you want to be precise. Charlie. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: The First Event

2008-08-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 6:59 AM, Wayne Eddy wrote: Seems to me that something impossible happened at least once in the history of everything. It happened, so it's possible. As we only have one sample, we have only speculation as to how improbable it was (and that goes for both the formation

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 7:29 AM, Nick Lidster wrote: what is your morality system, william? Me. William T Goodall so essentialy you are putting yourself on the same level as an omnipotent, benevolent, compassionate deity? jon A little bit of a reach to say that isn't Jon? Probably, but

Re: Religion kills

2008-08-04 Thread Charlie Bell
On 05/08/2008, at 7:31 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: it is true much of religion is evil, and promotes lies and superstition, but some good is also done in the name of religion. more so in Judaism, and less so in Islam and Christianity. some of the eastern religions are more mystical than

Top-posting...

2008-08-04 Thread Charlie Bell
I'm noticing a few people replying at the top of the email they're responding to. This is a polite reminder that it's convention on this list to reply *below* the quoted text, and only quote relevant text. It maintains the flow of conversation by email, and follows the order in which we

Re: Genesis

2008-07-30 Thread Charlie Bell
On 31/07/2008, at 4:31 AM, Dan M wrote: Given the fact that Europe is showing resistance to the idea of significant additional immigration of non-Europeans, and that Japan has long held racial purity as important, I wonder who will take care of all the baby boomers as they enter

Re: Conspiracy theories

2008-07-29 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/07/2008, at 2:20 PM, Dan M wrote: As I have said before, the assertion that the USA is the world's engineroom is no longer true. It certainly isn't true as it was 8 years ago, but economists are debating how tied the world is to the spending of the US on credit cards (and their

Re: Conspiracy theories

2008-07-28 Thread Charlie Bell
On 29/07/2008, at 4:10 AM, Jon Louis Mann wrote: you are right about bushco using his presidency to enrich his cronies, lance, but i doubt he comprehends what an enormous deleterious effect his policies have had on the global economy. The global economy is still growing at 4%. As I have

Re: Happy sysadmin day!

2008-07-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/07/2008, at 9:13 PM, William T Goodall wrote: http://www.sysadminday.com/ I just took mine out for beer. But not 'til after I'd spent a while telling him he didn't count 'cause he's a Senior sysadmin... hehehehe C. ___

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/07/2008, at 5:59 AM, Nick Arnett wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Jon Louis Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what parts of the population are doing their best to outbreed everyone else, and why? it seems to me that less developed countries are the culprits, partly

Re: memes, or genes...

2008-07-25 Thread Charlie Bell
On 26/07/2008, at 10:19 AM, Julia Thompson wrote: And children *are* social security for many people of the world. Or lunch. How Swiftly you come to that conclusion. Very good! :) C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-24 Thread Charlie Bell
On 25/07/2008, at 5:27 AM, hkhenson wrote: And there are certain parts of the population doing their best to outbreed everyone else just to skew future demographics. So it's likely to be a hard crash, and not a very well controlled one at that. This would worry me more except I think the

Re: And the thred creep begins Re: Dollar a gallon gasoline

2008-07-23 Thread Charlie Bell
On 23/07/2008, at 11:21 PM, Julia Thompson wrote: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008, Bruce Bostwick wrote: You wanna tempt the wrath of the whatever from high atop the thing? -- Toby Ziegler Why did Toby get all the really good lines? He didn't get them all. He got a lot, but so did Josh, and Sam,

Re: Dr Horrible's Sing-Along Blog

2008-07-22 Thread Charlie Bell
On 22/07/2008, at 8:15 PM, Curtis Burisch wrote: Bah. When I tried to watch it, it said 'Video no longer available'. When I went to the site today, it said proudly 'Exclusively on iTunes' !!! Seems I'll never get to see this. Which is a shame :( There are avis floating about. If you

Re: Indigo and Umami

2008-07-20 Thread Charlie Bell
On 20/07/2008, at 4:13 PM, Max Battcher wrote: William T Goodall wrote: There used to be seven colours in a rainbow and four basic flavours (sweet, sour, bitter, salt) and then indigo became a shade of violet and umami became the fifth basic flavour. Don't forget that we're down to 8

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/07/2008, at 10:19 AM, Lance A. Brown wrote: Alright, are you just yanking my chain or what? You seem to be asking me to telepathically implant the information needed for un- knowledgeable computer users to safely attach their computers to the Internet. No, just pointing out that

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/07/2008, at 3:54 PM, Dave Land wrote: It's up to the manufacturers: add a layer _in_the_box_ between Windows and the big, bad Interwebs. Sell it as the Internet Security version with built-in hardware firewall. To be fair, a good number of ADSL modems are NAT routers these days. Ours

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 17/07/2008, at 11:57 PM, Lance A. Brown wrote: Charlie Bell said the following on 7/17/2008 3:32 AM: Welcome to my world. IT Support at a law firm at the mo... *banging head on desk* I love my job, I love my workplace, but bloody hell it can be frustrating at times! I feel your pain

Re: Chicken and Egg

2008-07-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/07/2008, at 12:07 AM, John Garcia wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 9:57 AM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've worked in IT in the private, public and educational sectors and I was never more frustrated than when I worked at a university. Was that 'cause of the

Re: Dr Horrible's Sing-Along Blog

2008-07-17 Thread Charlie Bell
On 18/07/2008, at 4:22 AM, William T Goodall wrote: http://www.drhorrible.com/ Anyone not watching this? Managed to download and convert to Xvid, Acts 1 and 2 are on the PS3 now ready to watch at the weekend when Act 3 is released... Charlie.

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