Re: Brin: on Debt, Democracy, and all that

BTW... I hope you all know that Brin-L style elevated discussions take place regularly under the "Comments" section, beneath each of my regular blog postings at http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/ A great blogmunity. And, if you call it an extension of "Brin-L"... one of the oldest on the Net!

Re: Brin: on Debt, Democracy, and all that

On 12/5/2011 12:51 AM, David Brin wrote: Wow, this was more interesting than I expected it to be. "On Debt, Democracy, and all that..." http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/michael-hudson-debt-and-democracy-has-the-link-been-broken.html Only the best for the good doctor.

Re: Brin: on Debt, Democracy, and all that

Wow, this was more interesting than I expected it to be. "On Debt, Democracy, and all that..." http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/michael-hudson-debt-and-democracy-has-the-link-been-broken.html >>>What with 700+ Trillion in derivatives outstanding... Huge exaggera

Brin: on Debt, Democracy, and all that

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/12/michael-hudson-debt-and-democracy-has-the-link-been-broken.html What with 700+ Trillion in derivatives outstanding... --- "It’s cheap to maintain Lies and expensive to maintain Trvth." --KZK's Maxim _

Electronic democracy

meet at my apartment to discuss the possibilities. David's brother, Daniel, and some teenagers showed up.  I held some parties and decided to see if there was any interest in forming a sort of ad hoc activist group to promote a new kind of municipal participatory democracy in Santa Monica. 

Direct participatory democracy (was down with the government)

> Electronic forums are the ideal venue for > brainstorming solutions for > social issues, as you can take time to edit your > comments. ?It also > affords more people an opportunity to be less > passive and have a voice. > Moderated sites work best to stay on topic and > maintain civilized discou

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why would it have to be restricted to a numerical scale? Couldn't you > be polled on a range of issues to determine where the government was > succeeding and where it wasn't? Did you read the original post? A decision is

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same topic all week!~)

On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The alternative might not seem any better, but for the money I'm > pretty sure it couldn't be much worse, and I think its high time we > try something else. Your experimental system is highly inefficient. Don't you think i

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

John Williams > How happy are you on a scale of 1 to 10? No, I don't think > I'd trust my answers on that. Compared to what? Myself > in the past? That would be hard to judge. Other people I > know? Even worse (how do I know how happy they are?). > And how to know how much of the "happiness" is du

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same topic all week!~)

Ronn! wrote: > So what do you do if the present system is badly flawed but the only > proposed alternative does not seem any better? > > (e.g., the named in the previous subject line) If you're talking about heath care, maybe having tried the one system and pretty much universally come to the co

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same topic all week!~)

At 02:26 PM Monday 11/3/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote: >From: "John Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:18 AM >Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing &g

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

From: "John Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 12:18 AM Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~) >> Not even if they asked and you told them? >

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

> Not even if they asked and you told them? How happy are you on a scale of 1 to 10? No, I don't think I'd trust my answers on that. Compared to what? Myself in the past? That would be hard to judge. Other people I know? Even worse (how do I know how happy they are?). And how to know how much of t

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

John Williams wrote: > 1) Why trust the government with measuring something as abstract as > happiness, if it can be measured at all? I don't think I'd trust even my > closest friends and family to measure my "happiness". Not even if they asked and you told them? Doug __

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

Wayne Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > What about a system made up of a number of member states with various > constitutions, with a higher federal level above consisting of a > representative from each of the 13 member states. Nice start, but why only 13 member states? :-) > The federal level wou

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

- Original Message - From: "John Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~) > Wayne Eddy <[EMAIL

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

Wayne Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > How does the "smaller & cheaper" political system work? Badly, but less so. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Democracy

> Has anyone got any suggestions > for a better political system? Benevolent fascism?~) Jon ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

- Original Message - From: "John Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:07 AM Subject: Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~) > Wayne Eddy <[EMA

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

Wayne Eddy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Has anyone got any suggestions for a better political system? Smaller and cheaper. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

On Oct 31, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote: > Has anyone got any suggestions for a better political system? Replace our election system with a lottery, and just draft our leaders? Not sure that wouldn't be better, given the notably dodgy integrity of our current (pre- and post-HAVA) electio

Democracy (was Health Care / The same damn topic all f-ing week!~)

can be devastating to find that one's faith in > political > gods was misplaced. Denial is human nature. I don't recall anyone on the list suggesting that democracy is godlike in its effectiveness. I think and I imagine most others on the list would agree that democracy is flaw

Conflict of interest - Democracy in action.

> drafting our leadership would if > nothing else give us a government > that actually represents us, and > would remove the incentive to exploit > the power of the office for the > sole purpose of getting re-elected, > which is what we have now. It's > much harder to game that system t

Re: To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

At 08:16 PM Saturday 12/1/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: >On 12/1/2007 7:14:53 PM, Ronn! Blankenship >([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > At 06:03 PM Saturday 12/1/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: > > >Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any > > >institution made up by and of humans -

Re: To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

How interesting. I've been thinking something similar lately. On Dec 1, 2007, at 5:03 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any > institution made up by and of humans - from governments to churches to > corporations - must be subordinate to indivi

Re: To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

On Dec 1, 2007, at 4:03 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: > Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any > institution made up by and of humans - from governments to churches to > corporations - must be subordinate to individual living people in > terms of the rights and powers held by

Re: To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

On 12/1/2007 7:14:53 PM, Ronn! Blankenship ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > At 06:03 PM Saturday 12/1/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: > >Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any > >institution made up by and of humans - from governments to churches > >to > >corporations - must be

Re: To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

Robert Seeberger wrote: > Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any > institution made up by and of humans - from governments to churches to > corporations - must be subordinate to individual living people in > terms of the rights and powers held by the institution. Agreed.

Re: To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

At 06:03 PM Saturday 12/1/2007, Robert Seeberger wrote: >Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any >institution made up by and of humans - from governments to churches to >corporations - must be subordinate to individual living people in >terms of the rights and powers held by t

To Restore Democracy: First Abolish Corporate Personhood

Thus, Paine and others of the Revolutionary Era reasoned, any institution made up by and of humans - from governments to churches to corporations - must be subordinate to individual living people in terms of the rights and powers held by the institution. http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?

Re: Brin: Gore: American Democracy Is In Grave Danger

Folks, This speech touches on many of the things Dr. Brin has written about: <> Text of Gore Speech at Media Conference Reading this made me realize all over again how much we lost in the stolen election of 2000, or the lost opportun

Brin: Gore: American Democracy Is In Grave Danger

ew York: I came here today because I believe that American democracy is in grave danger. It is no longer possible to ignore the strangeness of our public discourse . I know that I am not the only one who feels that something has gone basically and badly wrong in the way America's fabled &quo

Re: [ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

On Sep 1, 2005, at 5:21 AM, Leonard Matusik wrote: So guys like Thomas Paine might have considered Islamic Terrorism a worthwhile test of democracy, I think Cool. Yes. Yes. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress &quo

RE: [ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

Thu, 1 Sep 2005 16:06:49 +0530 Ritu wrote: >Warren Ockrassa wrote: >> On Aug 29, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Ritu wrote: > >> > http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050901faessay84506/f-gregory-gause- > >> iii/c > >> an-democracy-stop-terrorism.html?mode=

RE: [ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

Warren Ockrassa wrote: > On Aug 29, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Ritu wrote: > > > http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050901faessay84506/f-gregory-gause- > > iii/c > > an-democracy-stop-terrorism.html?mode=print > > > > Definitely worth a read. > > Here's anot

Re: [ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

On Aug 29, 2005, at 10:56 AM, Ritu wrote: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050901faessay84506/f-gregory-gause- iii/c an-democracy-stop-terrorism.html?mode=print Definitely worth a read. Here's another question. Can terrorism stop democracy? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, night

RE: [ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

William T Goodall wrote: > It's quite clear from the examples given in this article that > eliminating the foul evil poison of religion would achieve far more > towards eliminating terrorism than introducing democracy could. *lol* And here I had spent months thinking that

Re: [ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

On 29 Aug 2005, at 6:56 pm, Ritu wrote: http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050901faessay84506/f-gregory-gause- iii/c an-democracy-stop-terrorism.html?mode=print Definitely worth a read. Apologies for the tiny mail but I need to get some rest. It's quite clear from the examples given in

[ghostpost] Can Democracy Stop Terrorism?

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20050901faessay84506/f-gregory-gause-iii/c an-democracy-stop-terrorism.html?mode=print Definitely worth a read. Apologies for the tiny mail but I need to get some rest. Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

On Jun 9, 2005, at 4:25 PM, Max Battcher wrote: Everyone hates one word answers, but: Amen. You gave us seven words, but a whole heckuva lot of quotage. Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

Gary Denton wrote: On 6/8/05, Max Battcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dave Land wrote: There is quite a bit of variability in the opinions of Americans about whether the UN is a "proper channel for action" and whether it has "proven itself to work," period. I do not count myself among those U

RE: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

> Behalf Of Dan Minette > > I don't think one needs to despise the UN to see it's > limitations. The > real ability of the UN to act lies in the Security Council. > With 5 veto > powers, there is action if and only if all five of these > countries feel > that action is in _their_ best interes

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

On 6/8/05, Max Battcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Land wrote: > > > > There is quite a bit of variability in the opinions of Americans about > > whether the UN is a "proper channel for action" and whether it has > > "proven itself to work," period. I do not count myself among those > > UN-d

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

- Original Message - From: "Max Battcher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 5:55 AM Subject: Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc. > Nick Arnett wrote: > > My question is this. Has our form of gover

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

ally become. I mean, which of the four great accountability arenas has been actually damaged by PC? Well, all four. But only a little bit. And the immune response AGAINST PC is very strong. In contrast, the war being waged against our accountability arenas (science, courts, democracy and mar

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

Nick Arnett wrote: My question is this. Has our form of government really changed in the decades since? Is democracy today fundamentally different from the system under which we not only permitted, but encouraged and paid for people to cheat, drive away, torture and murder the native people

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

- Original Message - From: "Dave Land" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc. > On Jun 8, 2005, at 3:55 AM, Max Battcher wrote: > > > Nick Arnet

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

Dave Land wrote: There is quite a bit of variability in the opinions of Americans about whether the UN is a "proper channel for action" and whether it has "proven itself to work," period. I do not count myself among those UN-despisers, but I think the mood in this country (and perhaps elsewhere)

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

- > Nick Arnett wrote:> > My question is this. Has our form of government> really changed in the decades > > since? Is democracy today fundamentally different > from the system under which > > we not only ermitted, but encouraged and paid for> people to cheat

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

On 6/8/05, Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:55:36 -0400, Max Battcher wrote > > > Is Iraq > > really worth the amount of money and soldier's lives that have spent > > to "democratize" it? > > FYI, if you didn't know (not sure how long you've been with us), one of th

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 06:55:36 -0400, Max Battcher wrote > Is Iraq > really worth the amount of money and soldier's lives that have spent > to "democratize" it? FYI, if you didn't know (not sure how long you've been with us), one of those soldiers who gave his life was my nephew, my niece's husb

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

On Jun 8, 2005, at 3:55 AM, Max Battcher wrote: Nick Arnett wrote: My question is this. Has our form of government really changed in the decades since? Is democracy today fundamentally different from the system under which we not only permitted, but encouraged and paid for people to cheat

Re: Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

Nick Arnett wrote: My question is this. Has our form of government really changed in the decades since? Is democracy today fundamentally different from the system under which we not only permitted, but encouraged and paid for people to cheat, drive away, torture and murder the native people

Brin: Democracy, genocide, torture, etc.

o was committing genocide against his people, torturing them and so forth. We say that we're going to bring democracy to Iraq, implying, if not stating explicitly, that the United States' kind of democracy and Saddam's reprehensible behavior are incompatible. The idea is that if we

Re: Democracy in Iraq Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

e that was even vaguely plausible. You could choose one or the other. Really? No other options? Then what of all those that opposed the war, including almost every major religious organization across the globe? Was the Pope trying to stop democracy in Iraq? The World Council of Churches, the

RE: Democracy in Iraq Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

JDG wrote: > Sent: Sunday, 10 April 2005 7:20 AM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Democracy in Iraq Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble > theory, and comments) > > At 04:17 PM 4/7/2005 -0700, Nick wrote: > >On Thu, 7 Apr 2005 15:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Muk

Democracy in Iraq Re: The Other Christianity (was Re: Babble theory, and comments)

>> even vaguely plausible. You could choose one or the >> other. > >Really? No other options? Then what of all those that opposed the war, >including almost every major religious organization across the globe? Was the >Pope trying to stop democracy in Iraq? The

Re: US Spreading Democracy

JDG wrote: > > An interesting article from The Guardian about how the US has been > orchestrating the recent "velvet revolutions" in Yugoslavia, Georgia, and > now Ukraine. > Brazilian newspapers never fail to mention that those that now oppose the elected ukrainian president are from the same regi

US Spreading Democracy

An interesting article from The Guardian about how the US has been orchestrating the recent "velvet revolutions" in Yugoslavia, Georgia, and now Ukraine. http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1360080,00.html JDG John D. Giorgis

Viva La Democracy

Whatever ones feelings on the outcome, it is always humbling and instructive to watch Democracy in action. The American people spoke, and it seems clear where their feelings lay. All the spin, the hoopla, the bull that went on, the viscious ads, the blatent lies (both sides included), are

ShrubFuhrer Ends Support for Caribbean Democracy

ibbean heads of government understand the lessons of history. They recognize the supremacy of the ballot. And they know that only democratic values will keep the Caribbean a zone of peace. Reinhold Niebuhr warned that man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible, but that man's incl

'We are living in an American democracy' - March 2004

in Baghdad, Iraq ( - ), Saturday, May 8, 2004. The words 'We are living in an American democracy' are inscribed on its base. Shrub 04: Don't Switch Horsemen Mid-Apocalypse ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Democracy -

- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: Re: Democracy - > At 06:21 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: > >There is nothing wrong with plur

Re: Democracy -

At 06:21 PM 5/6/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: >There is nothing wrong with pluralism. There is something wrong with Bob >Jones's position on the issues. Its clearly racist. Or, do you think >there is nothing wrong with thinking blacks and whites shouldn't date? Tom Beck was not talking about ra

Re: Democracy -

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Democracy - > > That really wasn't my point. Appealing to someone who is, at bes

Re: Democracy -

- Original Message - From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Democracy - and am I the only Person here who is sick of Foolish Subject Titles? > At 05:38 PM 5/6/

Re: Democracy - and am I the only Person here who is sick of Foolish Subject Titles?

, but the idea that Catholics should object to, say, Seventh Day Adventists voting for the same candidates as we would - is, well, nothing short of absurd. Indeed, anybody who says otherwise doesn't understand the first thing about democracy. After all, the alternative is a set of deep sect

Re: Democracy frees the World

David Hobby wrote: > >> ??? >> >> AFAIK, every other western nation has it too. Brazil certainly has it, >> except that the Roman Catholic Church has too much power because >> it's a rich organization. > > Certainly not all. Why do they call it the "Church of England", > for example? And see my q

Re: Democracy frees the World

Thomas Beck wrote: > >> But this is what happened to Kosovo, who was a serbian zone, >> until the albanians grew in number and began oppressing them. > > Um...that's not true at all. Kosovo was always an Albanian region until > the Serbian-dominated Yugoslavian government began settling Serbs > the

Re: Democracy frees the World

Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > David Hobby wrote: ... > > O.K., we have to back up a bit from that, or there aren't > > any countries in my mythical ODS at all! For instance, the USA is > > rare among western democracies for having separation of church and > > state, but even it doesn't enforc

Re: Democracy frees the World

But this is what happened to Kosovo, who was a serbian zone, until the albanians grew in number and began oppressing them. Um...that's not true at all. Kosovo was always an Albanian region until the Serbian-dominated Yugoslavian government began settling Serbs there, who oppressed the ethnic

Re: Democracy frees the World

David Hobby wrote: > >> The current system of overpowerful nation states and weak UNO and weak >> cities is skewed, but I can't see a viable alternative. > > No, the majority does not have the right to impose its > rules on minorities. That's one of the rules the "Organization > of Democrati

Democracy frees the World, was Re: Occupation of Iraq IMHO

Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > David Hobby wrote: ... > > There should be some nice system of plebescites to let people > > organize into the countries they feel like organizing into, > > rather than being stuck with historical borders. > > > Yeah. What about the mexicans in occupied Mexico deciding

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "John D. Giorgis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yet, qualifications aren't always what they are cracked up to be. That's so true, IMOADTAE. I don't know how many CS PHD's I have worked with, who are compleatly clueless when it comes to designing good software. I know thi

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

At 03:03 PM 3/1/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >And let's not say that _anyone_ knew in advance that >Lincoln would turn out to be what he turned out to be. > In retrospect we can look at Lincoln's life and see >the precursors of greatness before the Presidency, but >at the time nominating him wh

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

So, if it wasn't for luck of having Lincoln, we'd have a 20th century without the massive influence of the US. If any of the other Republicans won, it would be hard to see how the US would have emerged as a major world player. Is that a fair assessment? I don't think so, because while we k

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

s victory in the war made further democratic reforms in Britain possible, and without that victory they would not have happened. So not only did the North's victory assure the survival of American democracy - it had a pretty important impact on the development of _British_ democracy as well. =

Re: The unlikely triumph of democracy

--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If any of the > other Republicans won, it > would be hard to see how the US would have emerged > as a major world player. > Is that a fair assessment? > > Dan M. I believe that it is, yes. I think that if anyone else had won the election, the South wo

The unlikely triumph of democracy

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 3:35 PM Subject: Re: L3 Bitter Mellons, Gin and Tonic, and a an Un- reasonable view. > So, was Southern defeat inevitable? I would actually > say,

Re: republican browncoat's latest attack on democracy

> "It's saying we're not going to allow the opposition party to ask > questions about the way we use tax money," said R. Scott Lilly, > Democratic staff director for the House committee. "As far as I know, > this is without modern precedent." > > Norman Ornstein, a congressional specialist at the

republican browncoat's latest attack on democracy

<> White House Puts Limits on Queries From Democrats By Dana Milbank Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, November 7, 2003; Page A29 The Bush White House, irritated by pesky questions from congressional Democrats abou

Re: When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History

On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 09:23 pm, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 23 Mar 2003 at 0:33, The Fool wrote: http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History by Thom Hartmann So, Fool - tell me something. What are you planning to DO about this? Perhaps

Re: When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History

On 23 Mar 2003 at 0:33, The Fool wrote: > http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm > > When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History > by Thom Hartmann So, Fool - tell me something. What are you planning to DO about this? Andy

Re: When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History

The Fool posted: > http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm > > When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History > by Thom Hartmann > > The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely > reported in the corporate media. But the Germans reme

Re: When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History

> >When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History >by Thom Hartmann > If Bush is Hitler and Blair is Mussolini, then I guess Saddam is De Gaulle, isn't he? Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0316-08.htm When Democracy Failed: The Warnings of History by Thom Hartmann The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy year

State Dept. report on Democracy in Iraq

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/03/ 14/MN22108.DTL Democracy in Iraq doubtful, State Dept. report says Social, economic obstacles work against transformation Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times Friday, March 14, 2003

Re: Was Democracy Just A Moment

On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 01:35:47AM -0500, Kevin Tarr wrote: > In 97-98 this may have been true about Russia, but isn't Russia much better > now? The hostage debacle isn't a good example, but I think recently Russia > is starting to work. It hasn't failed. > > In the meantime, China has stayed th

Re: Was Democracy Just A Moment

At 05:05 PM 10/30/2002 -0600, you wrote: Following a link from a link that Dan (I think) posted, I ran across an article from 1997 that seems to apply to a few recent threads. The article is, "Was Democracy Just a Moment" by Robert Kaplan. http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97dec/demo

Was Democracy Just A Moment

Following a link from a link that Dan (I think) posted, I ran across an article from 1997 that seems to apply to a few recent threads. The article is, "Was Democracy Just a Moment" by Robert Kaplan. http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/97dec/democ.htm The article is very long, but well

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

country -- that happened every time a country with veto power decided to abuse that power to protect its friends and its own interests. >But then, if you use the literal meaning, every democratic country in the >world could be considered "not a democracy". After all, when a gov

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

At 18:06 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > >Out of curiosity, why do you keep on twisting meanings, even when you > >don't have to? > > I do not see this as "twisting meanings". Apparently I use a different > definition of "democracy" than yo

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

At 11:52 PM 10/21/2002 +0200 J. van Baardwijk wrote: >That depends on how you define "democracy". When you use its literal >meaning ("the people decide"), then the UN is indeed not a democracy. When >you use the word in the way it is more commonly used, however (&q

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

> >Out of curiosity, why do you keep on twisting meanings, even when you don't > >have to? > > I do not see this as "twisting meanings". Apparently I use a different > definition of "democracy" than you do. But then, the definition "the >

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

in where wiser folks fear to tread. The UN is not a > >democracy. It is a place where voting occurs, but voting does not > >make something a democracy. > > That depends on how you define "democracy". When you use its literal > meaning ("the people decide"),

Re: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

- Original Message - From: "J. van Baardwijk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:52 PM Subject: Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!)) > At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > > > > > >It may

Democracy (was Re: The UN (Hey, JDG!))

At 15:30 21-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > > >It may not be perfect, but it is the best we have. It is certainly > > >better than having one country throwing its cherished principles of > > >democracy overboard and then unilaterally decide to drag the Middle