Re: test the nation
At 08:17 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote: Kevin wrote: should the east coasters provide answers for the rest of the country? OSL Sure, why not. Which answers would those be, BTW? And what's OSL? Kevin T. - VRWC My cat's breath smells like cat food! (or, this is my friday night? sob) OK, everyone's an sob... -- Doug can't always be right 8^) It means Obligatory Second Line. OSL Oh, some fox show, based on a british show. a national IQ test. Kevin T. - VRWC Don't feel so smart ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test bob z
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/30/2003 6:21:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Zim wrote: It seems my messages have not made it to the list in the past week or so. is anyone out there Looks like you're back... But my long and elegant response to one of Gautam's post is now lost to posterity. When I have time I will repost If you can you might want to change one of your e-mail settings. 'Save copy of sent mail in sent folder'. I've got that one set for a while now and it makes my life a lot easier because I mess up sending e-mail on a regular basis. Whenever I find that a mail is lost somewhere in the electronic wilderness I fish the copy of it out of the sent archive and 'edit message as new' before sending again. Once every while I clean out the sent box by simply deleting most of the messages up 'till a certain date. Works like a charm, especially for those really loong and/or well researched messages which according to Murphy's law are more likely to get lost. ;o) Sonja :o) GCU: Send or not send that's the question ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test bob z
Zim wrote: It seems my messages have not made it to the list in the past week or so. is anyone out there Looks like you're back... -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test bob z
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems my messages have not made it to the list in the past week or so. is anyone out there I'm out there. I think I'm *way* out there. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test bob z
At 05:34 PM 11/30/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems my messages have not made it to the list in the past week or so. is anyone out there I'm out there. I think I'm *way* out there. whistles innocently -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test bob z
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:34 PM 11/30/03 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems my messages have not made it to the list in the past week or so. is anyone out there I'm out there. I think I'm *way* out there. whistles innocently -- Ronn! :) Of course you're whistling innocently. You're innocent of contributing to the sleep-dep that caused me to make that statement. :) Catherine, on the other hand Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test bob z
In a message dated 11/30/2003 6:21:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Zim wrote: It seems my messages have not made it to the list in the past week or so. is anyone out there Looks like you're back... But my long and elegant response to one of Gautam's post is now lost to posterity. When I have time I will repost -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test
David Hobby wrote: Sorry, just a test. My email is having problems, so I want to see if this message makes it into the archives. ---David What, you wanted content?! YES! :) Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test
At 09:08 PM 9/1/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: David Hobby wrote: Sorry, just a test. My email is having problems, so I want to see if this message makes it into the archives. ---David What, you wanted content?! YES! :) Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? It's perfect the way it is. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test
Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Test
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Hobby ... Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Test (28 perfect number)
And I happen to be born on the 28th of May... -- From: David Hobby[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply To: Killer Bs Discussion Sent: Dienstag, 2. September 2003 17:36 To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Test Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test
Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Hobby ... Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? Well, THEY care. Or somebody does. At least 42 is a multiple of 7, at least in base ten. :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Test
At 12:33 PM 9/2/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Hobby ... Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? It is, however, 2/3 of 42 . . . -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:19 PM Subject: RE: Test At 12:33 PM 9/2/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Hobby ... Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? It is, however, 2/3 of 42 . . . A. So we are most of the way there now! G xponent Twice As Good As 14 Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test (28 perfect number)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I happen to be born on the 28th of May... And I on the 14th of December. Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia ... All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? As we have just demonstrated, the 14th and 28th are valid days of a month, while the 42nd is not. So there. ---David ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:33 PM 9/2/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Hobby ... Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia It is nominally the number of days in a month. It is a perfect number, the only even perfect number that is a multiple of 7. (There are some LARGE odd perfect numbers that are multiples of 7, but they don't count. : ) ) All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? It is, however, 2/3 of 42 . . . And 42 is 2/3 of 63. :) So the geometric mean of 28 and 63 is 42. Julia not that Nick probably cared, but ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test (28 perfect number)
At 10:17 PM 9/2/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I happen to be born on the 28th of May... And I on the 14th of December. Now, what can you tell me about the number 28? Julia ... All that may be true, but it certainly is not a 42, so who cares? As we have just demonstrated, the 14th and 28th are valid days of a month, while the 42nd is not. So there. 14 + 28 = 42. So there. -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test message - now with CONTENT! :)
Julia Thompson wrote: The redistricting fight in Texas has inspired a humor columnist in Austin to come up with a new word - Perrymandering. If this message gets back to me, I'll reply and include a URL. Otherwise, well, if you go to statesman.com and look for today's John Kelso column, you can find it there. This came back to me, eventually. So here's the URL: http://www.statesman.com/metrostate/content/metro/kelso/0803/082603.html Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Test
Not sure what went wrong while I was away, but it apparently healed itself. Unfortunately, my admin backup is my friend fighting brain cancer, so when I'm away, it's difficult to cover this sort of problem. Redundancy -- that's what we need! Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ronn!Blankenship Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 8:05 PM To: Brin-L Subject: Test Is the list dead again? -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:18 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: test Deborah Harrell wrote: Ping? Pong. I'm waiting to hear from Nick as to just what happened there. Julia who was out for over 4 hours and missed most of the interruption (and who had a good time this evening) There was an interruption? The network was okay here, so I'm not sure what the problem might have been. Believe me, I would have noticed -- we're on a very short deadline... announcement to follow in the next three hours. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 9:18 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: test Deborah Harrell wrote: Ping? Pong. I'm waiting to hear from Nick as to just what happened there. Julia who was out for over 4 hours and missed most of the interruption (and who had a good time this evening) There was an interruption? The network was okay here, so I'm not sure what the problem might have been. The webserver was certainly having a problem -- I tried to take care of some administrative requests, and could not. Got some sort of error (never saw that error number before that I remember, it was 5-something-something, might check the logs to see if it was recorded), and no listmail was coming through. Don't know how much was *posted* during that time. (We *do* get lulls sometime, just not usually on a weekday evening.) Believe me, I would have noticed -- we're on a very short deadline... announcement to follow in the next three hours. Still waiting to see what that is. ;) Looking forward to it. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
At 06:34 2003-07-10 -0700, Nick wrote: Believe me, I would have noticed -- we're on a very short deadline... announcement to follow in the next three hours. Nick Nice way to pique my curiosity, Nick. Should I put some bubbly in the refrigerator? Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
Deborah Harrell wrote: Ping? Pong. I'm waiting to hear from Nick as to just what happened there. Julia who was out for over 4 hours and missed most of the interruption (and who had a good time this evening) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
Now it is... there was a corrupted Python module that screwed up administration last night. I fixed that, but apparently the list failed to restart properly afterwards. All seems well now. Nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Deborah Harrell Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:41 PM To: brinl Subject: test Test - going through? __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test Results
Read it. Read it. Read it. Sticks fingers in ears Read it. William Taylor It should be easy to figure out which one was Ronn's ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test Results
At 10:27 AM 6/13/03 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it. Read it. Read it. Sticks fingers in ears Read it. William Taylor It should be easy to figure out which one was Ronn's Some list software though it's obvious now that the software in use on this list is not included is set up to reject messages with test in the subject line, so a certain amount of cleverness in disguising test messages is required. Too bad ^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G in the body of an e-mail message doesn't work any more . . . Had This Been An Actual Emergency, We Wouldn't Have Had A Clue What To Do Either Maru -- Ronn! :) God bless America, Land that I love! Stand beside her, and guide her Thru the night with a light from above. From the mountains, to the prairies, To the oceans, white with foam God bless America! My home, sweet home. -- Irving Berlin (1888-1989) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
test Tap, tap, tap... Is this thing on? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test
I can see a lot of delays in mail going to your domain, but I'll have to take a close look to figure out what's going on. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of G. D. Akin Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:55 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: test Hey, I got this one and none of the others. Go figure! George A - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:24 AM Subject: Re: test In a message dated 2/15/2003 7:19:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again.. Sent several e-mails today. None appeared. George A I've gotten 2 copies of some messages. Maybe there's an attempt to even things out? William Taylor - This message copied onto my shirt cuff. After all, there is a test... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
In a message dated 2/15/2003 7:19:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again.. Sent several e-mails today. None appeared. George A I've gotten 2 copies of some messages. Maybe there's an attempt to even things out? William Taylor - This message copied onto my shirt cuff. After all, there is a test... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test
Hey, I got this one and none of the others. Go figure! George A - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:24 AM Subject: Re: test In a message dated 2/15/2003 7:19:20 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again.. Sent several e-mails today. None appeared. George A I've gotten 2 copies of some messages. Maybe there's an attempt to even things out? William Taylor - This message copied onto my shirt cuff. After all, there is a test... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Combine words, was Re: Test
Erik Reuter wrote: On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:33:24PM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... I should have used a spell checker before I sent that one. Ouch... :o) That should have been 'hunting grounds' of course. Sometimes I think it would be fun if English could combine words the way German does! The Dutch do that too. I believe the Dutch and the Germans are the worst as to that respect. But the Germans also have really complicated rules for how to write things when you combine words. I remember 'Schifffart' as one of the more absurd results from the ...ehum... 'simplified' spelling rules they introduced a couple of years back. Combining words into larger words has some major drawbacks. It makes learning to read (never even mind correct spelling) very difficult and most spellcheckers are often at a loss, because they don't recognise combined words. Childrens books use a lot of '-' to make seperations of combination words that are really hard to read for beginners. Then again you can create the most wonderfull words. Sonja GCU Hottentottententententoonstellingsruimte or Hottentotten-tenten-tentoonstelling-s-ruimte ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test, was Re: Test
Jon Gabriel wrote: The brin-l server will 'eat' posts made in html. You'll need to change your posts to plain text before sending. I had the same problem a few months ago, and this was the explanation Nick gave me. :) For me that cannot be the reason then. I only write and send in plaintext. Making posts in HTML requires extra effort. I'm too lazy for that. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test, was Re: Test
Then how did my Test e-mail get through. George A - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Test, was Re: Test From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test, was Re: Test Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:24:15 +0100 Me too. So far one lost and two returned. I'm not *really* _that_ controversial, am I? puzzled Sonja ;o) GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... G. D. Akin wrote: Test. Sent several e-mails the other day -- did not receive one of them. The brin-l server will 'eat' posts made in html. You'll need to change your posts to plain text before sending. I had the same problem a few months ago, and this was the explanation Nick gave me. :) Jon Stuck on top of tower. Great view, but constant pelting sleet not good for pointy hat. Am amusing self by spitting gum down on the Orcs. From: The Very Secret Diary of Gandalf the Grey _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Test, was Re: Test
Um... ask Nick? :) Sorry, the html ban is the only reason I know the server might devour messages. Jon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of G. D. Akin Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Test, was Re: Test Then how did my Test e-mail get through. George A - Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Test, was Re: Test From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test, was Re: Test Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:24:15 +0100 Me too. So far one lost and two returned. I'm not *really* _that_ controversial, am I? puzzled Sonja ;o) GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... G. D. Akin wrote: Test. Sent several e-mails the other day -- did not receive one of them. The brin-l server will 'eat' posts made in html. You'll need to change your posts to plain text before sending. I had the same problem a few months ago, and this was the explanation Nick gave me. :) Jon Stuck on top of tower. Great view, but constant pelting sleet not good for pointy hat. Am amusing self by spitting gum down on the Orcs. From: The Very Secret Diary of Gandalf the Grey _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Test, was Re: Test
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jon Gabriel ... Um... ask Nick? :) Sorry, the html ban is the only reason I know the server might devour messages. But I don't know of any other reason, either. If they got caught in some sort of mail loop, it's possible that the bounce messges haven't returned yet. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Test, was Re: Test
Me too. So far one lost and two returned. I'm not *really* _that_ controversial, am I? puzzled Sonja ;o) GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... G. D. Akin wrote: Test. Sent several e-mails the other day -- did not receive one of them. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test, was Re: Test
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... I should have used a spell checker before I sent that one. Ouch... :o) That should have been 'hunting grounds' of course. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test, was Re: Test
On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:33:24PM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... I should have used a spell checker before I sent that one. Ouch... :o) That should have been 'hunting grounds' of course. Sometimes I think it would be fun if English could combine words the way German does! -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Test, was Re: Test
From: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Test, was Re: Test Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:24:15 +0100 Me too. So far one lost and two returned. I'm not *really* _that_ controversial, am I? puzzled Sonja ;o) GCU: The eternal electronic huntingrounds loom before the fabric of my e-mails... G. D. Akin wrote: Test. Sent several e-mails the other day -- did not receive one of them. The brin-l server will 'eat' posts made in html. You'll need to change your posts to plain text before sending. I had the same problem a few months ago, and this was the explanation Nick gave me. :) Jon Stuck on top of tower. Great view, but constant pelting sleet not good for pointy hat. Am amusing self by spitting gum down on the Orcs. From: The Very Secret Diary of Gandalf the Grey _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
- Original Message - From: Ronn Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:13 PM Subject: Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test) And does your friend consider himself a professional person? Definately. It was after we were discussing how disgusted we were with ourselves 'bout what games we had to play just to get our jobs done in spite of management. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: test: questions comment
At 02:32 PM 10/29/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: As for one of the subjects in this post: trying to use someone to get at someone else is just plain wrong. And cursing at the first someone (ie. Sonja) is despicable. :( Amen. --Ronn! :) Sometimes A One-Word Reply Is All That Is Needed Maru I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: test: questions comment
At 04:02 PM 10/30/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm trying to find out what the problem is: I just got Sonja's post on this, but Jim's was already in my inbox before lunch, so clearly others received it in timely fashion. snip Question: Do longer posts take longer to reach you? No. snip Evil Gremlins Of Silicon Maru OK, there went my *simple* explanation of what might have been happening. :P Is it just today, or is this a regular occurrence? It's been going on for about 4-5 days, I think. I'll ask the office computer tech what rituals - I mean, procedures - I should try. ;) And if they tell you that you need a goat and a sharp knife . . . ? --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
At 09:50 AM 10/31/02, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Dinging plans (was RE: test) De : Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:prutje;softhome.net] Male whore, interesting idea. I always thought those were called play boy. :o) If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of the people gravitating around the director or VP. A friend of mine has a quote that was considered to be very true by his colleagues. It's not just the oldest profession, its the only profession. And does your friend consider himself a professional person? ;-P --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
Julia Thompson wrote: clarification of Peter Principle available upon request Not necessary in my case. The Principal of my school is called Peter Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
Behalf Of Jean-Louis Couturier If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of the people gravitating around the director or VP. De : Nick Arnett [mailto:narnett;mccmedia.com] Hey! I've been both! (Director and VP of marketing, that is.) LOL! And you've never encountered suck-ups who thought that laughing at your jokes was a better way to success than actual competence? My hat's off to you, you may very well be a special breed of Marketing Management which actually uses methods other than pure BS. Ding. Ding. Ding. :-( And I was just starting to like you! Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test)
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:30:10AM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. It implies you only expect the women on this list to do that. Shouldn't you No it doesn't. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 02:31:22PM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 08:30:10AM +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Erik Reuter wrote: Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. It implies you only expect the women on this list to do that. Shouldn't you No it doesn't. Male whore, interesting idea. I always thought those were called play boy. :o) From dictionary.com (note, no gender reference): whore Pronunciation Key (hôr, hr) n. 1.A prostitute. 2.A person considered sexually promiscuous. 3.A person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain. pros·ti·tute Pronunciation Key (prst-tt, -tyt) n. 1.One who solicits and accepts payment for sex acts. 2.One who sells one's abilities, talent, or name for an unworthy purpose. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Jean-Louis Couturier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Dinging plans (was RE: test) De : Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten [mailto:prutje;softhome.net] Male whore, interesting idea. I always thought those were called play boy. :o) If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of the people gravitating around the director or VP. A friend of mine has a quote that was considered to be very true by his colleagues. It's not just the oldest profession, its the only profession. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick Arnett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of Jean-Louis Couturier ... If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of the people gravitating around the director or VP. Hey! I've been both! (Director and VP of marketing, that is.) Ding. Ding. Ding. You've just demonstrated that both Directors and VPs can be ding-a-lings. ;) (*Can*, not are by definition) Seriously, in some situations boot-licking will take you at *least* to the point that you're Peter Principled. In other situations, it won't, but working hard where your boss's boss can see you, and solving a problem that's been around for a few *years*, may do wonders. But, I imagine that in some places in marketing, people are constantly trying to market themselves to higher-ups. (I have very little experience with people in marketing departments, and some of what I *do* have is somewhat negative, but that may have more to do with someone's attempt at empire-building than it being the marketing department.) Julia clarification of Peter Principle available upon request ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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In a message dated 10/31/02 12:09:24 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If ever you work in close contact with marketing, look at some of the people gravitating around the director or VP. Hey! I've been both! (Director and VP of marketing, that is.) Ding. Ding. Ding. Hired on the bell curve? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:00 AM 10/31/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: In older English murder mysteries, it's not necessarily assumed that the gigolo is actually sleeping with his client. (And now can someone help exorcize David Lee Roth's song from my head?) And Neneh Cherry's song too! JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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John D. Giorgis wrote: At 09:00 AM 10/31/2002 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: In older English murder mysteries, it's not necessarily assumed that the gigolo is actually sleeping with his client. (And now can someone help exorcize David Lee Roth's song from my head?) And Neneh Cherry's song too! I'm not familiar with that one, and have the excuse of *still* not having set up computer speakers (now down on the priority list somewhere *below* the unpacking of about 14 more boxes, anyway) to thwart any attempt by anyone to remedy that via the internet. :) Julia now with an R.E.M. song stuck in her head, but it's not too bad ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In a message dated 10/31/2002 6:30:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ding. Ding. Ding. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hired on the bell curve? That joke was not fit for distribution! Sorry, I'm just a standard deviant. You have a skewed sense of humor. You're mean. You're plotting against me. You're not normal. You vary from the median, a real outlier. You probably autocorrelate when no one is looking. You have no confidence -- your sample size is too small. Don't worry, this is just regression. I'm sure you'll Excel. You are one of the least square people I know. Don't go nonlinear, Kurt Osis (suddenly, my work seems less dull) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: De : Deborah Harrell [mailto:harrellmedleg;yahoo.com] And after further consideration, I have to agree with Erik that anonymous dinging should be severely penalized. If allowed at all. And you ought to try talking it out offlist first [*politely*], as somebody has already suggested. I don't think anonymous dinging should be allowed at all. If you're willing to penalize someone, you should be ready to suffer the consequences, which include having the dingee pi**ed at you. I'd rather just not have dinging at all. I'm very effec- tive at deleting emails which I don't feel like reading. I'm with you on that one for 100%. Indeed, better to have no dinging. Ignoring what you don't like, respond to what is interesting. We used to be able to do that quite well in the very far back past. Now the list gets clogged with explainations, of explanations, of disagreements of explanations, of explanations, of. you get my drift ;o) Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of David Hobby Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 7:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dinging plans (was RE: test) ... Sorry, I guess that I missed the post where the dinging system was described in detail. Were you thinking of some system of ratings, like they use at Slashdot? You missed it because there hasn't been one. We're discussing ideas, not reality. David Brin suggested a system similar to eviling on AOL, which is for live chat. Thus, it couldn't work the same way. Ratings a la Slash wouldn't work very well, either, since people read mailing lists via a variety of applications, in which there is no standard way to accommodate ratings. A system of that order sounds easy enough to implement. All the subject lines from the list would come with an embedded rating, like this: [-4]. Then people could either filter based on the ratings, look at all the posts with ratings in mind, or just ignore them. Well maybe. But then all you can have is a threshold, rather than a sliding scale. But maybe we could make something like that work. In fact, I was thinking that the first way to try this out would be to put the ratings into a header and let people figure out how to make use of them. That simplifies what I have to code. We might want to make it so that only established list accounts can ding. We would certainly have to do that if we started getting lots of dings from [EMAIL PROTECTED]! No question in my mind that only subscribers can ding and the dings have to be associated with them individually. We could even develop a dinging reputation mechanism, but that raises the complexity quite a bit. On the other hand, it's the sort of thing I'm working on, sort of. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 09:14:19AM -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Ratings a la Slash wouldn't work very well, either, since people read mailing lists via a variety of applications, in which there is no standard way to accommodate ratings. That is not so. Anyone who has capability for simple keyword filtering on the subject: line of emails could do it. Just set it up so posts have, for eg. (like slashdot) one of 5 codes in the subject. Of course, your script would need to remove any forged codes in the subject before pre-pending its own code, but that shouldn't be too tough. The codes could be as simple as 1c1, 2c2, etc, something that wouldn't normally show up in a subject: line. This would be FAR superior to the dinging that has been described previously, since each person can decide what they want to read (and when they want to read it). Well maybe. But then all you can have is a threshold, rather than a sliding scale. But maybe we could make something like that work. In fact, I was thinking that the first way to try this out would be to put the ratings into a header and let people figure out how to make use of them. That simplifies what I have to code. Ah, great idea, better than my subject: line idea! Also, instead of having 5 levels like slashdot you could have whatever you want, 2, 3, etc. For example, you could have dinged or not-dinged codes, to simplify filtering. But that is probably too simple, I would suggest at least 3 codes meaning roughly: well-though-of, somewhat annoying, real asshole. Dings could be any real number that people decide (but I still think absolute minimum of 1 ding cost to ding someone else), and your script could translate ding-threshold-levels into one of the 3 code levels. No question in my mind that only subscribers can ding and the dings have to be associated with them individually. We could even develop a dinging reputation mechanism, but that raises the complexity quite a bit. On the other hand, it's the sort of thing I'm working on, sort of. Slashdot Karma? Slashdot meta-moderation? :-) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:42:36PM -0500, Erik Reuter wrote: Ah, great idea, better than my subject: line idea! Also, instead of Umm, I should have said, much better than my formulation of the subject: line idea, since I did not think of the idea. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 01:56:42PM -0500, Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: I'd have separate scores for dings received an dings given. If Erik's codes are applied to dings received, we could have a code for dingers along the lines of Tolerant, Capricious and Opinion Police Great idea! I like it. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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De : Erik Reuter [mailto:ereuter;erikreuter.com] Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. Ooh! This is good! And kissees could be Geek with glasses, Independant and Prom Queen. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 21:10 29-10-2002 -0500, John Giorgis wrote: My opinion on listmail is that if you don't like what somebody has to say, ignore it. People have a right to an opinion, fortunatly others have just as much right to ignore it. Use that right. Use filters, be it it just mere mental or state of the art electronical, you are equipped with them for a reason. Thank you for your interesting, calm, and reasonable thoughts. Unfortunately, the problem with your sentiments is that some people go absolutely bazooka if you simply choose to let subjects drop that you no longer care to pursue, let alone kill-file them, or ignore them. Obviously, you have not been paying attention these last few weeks. Ignoring someone or filtering out certain threads is one thing. Deciding to let a subject drop because you do not want to answer critical questions and do not want to back your claims (which is a very accurate description of your behaviour), is something entirely different. Thus, it seems that a certain list-member's rejection of your above sentiments - ie the rejection of the principle that one listmember has the right to ignore another list-member - is the source of the current angst among the rest of the listmembers. You were not ignoring *me*, you were ignoring my questions and my requests for proof for your claims. Jeroen You're not getting away with it *that* easy van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 10:16 30-10-2002 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: I'm with you on that one for 100%. Indeed, better to have no dinging. Ignoring what you don't like, respond to what is interesting. We used to be able to do that quite well in the very far back past. Now the list gets clogged with explainations, of explanations, of disagreements of explanations, of explanations, of. you get my drift ;o) I must disagree with your explanation. duck Of course, that could be because maybe I do not quite understand you. runs for cover Could you give an explan... Hiss - siss - crackle $%%^^*(^^%#%^$*#!$ TRANSMISSION TERMINATED Jeroen Uh-oh! van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Hi, Jeroen! Hiss - siss - crackle $%%^^*(^^%#%^$*#!$ TRANSMISSION TERMINATED Oops. Sonja reads your messages? Yikes. I'd rather not send you my personal collection of thousands of pictures of beautiful naked brazilian guys that you requested me. [let's hope I hit the private key...] Alberto ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: De : Erik Reuter [mailto:ereuter;erikreuter.com] Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. Ooh! This is good! And kissees could be Geek with glasses, Independant and Prom Queen. Prom Queen? Julia who never quite resembled that remark, but came kinda close once ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jeroen wrote: I thought beautiful and brazilian guys were mutually exclusive. [in fact, it's beautiful and guys that are mutually exclusive, by definition of beautiful. At leat it was so when I learned English, more than a quarter of a century ago] BTW, does your wife know about your apparent bisexuality? :-) serious My wife used to be jealous of my computer. But now she is jealous of the TV series I watch... /serious Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: Erik Reuter [wrote:] I would suggest at least 3 codes meaning roughly: well-though-of, somewhat annoying, real asshole. Dings could be any real number that people decide (but I still think absolute minimum of 1 ding cost to ding someone else), and your script could translate ding-threshold-levels into one of the 3 code levels. I'd have separate scores for dings received an dings given. If Erik's codes are applied to dings received, we could have a code for dingers along the lines of Tolerant, Capricious and Opinion Police And [Erik Reuter wrote:] Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. Ooh! This is good! And kissees could be Geek with glasses, Independant and Prom Queen. Practical, informative _and_ fun. However, I'd change the names for second and third degree 'kisser' to something like generous and ludicrously extravagant - symbols could be :) :D and ;D. So the 'kissees' could be 8^) ;) and :D (that's supposed to be a tiara!) The 'ding' status could be :o) :/ and 8o (or 8. ) Then 'dingers' would be :-) ;/ and :( Or something like that. Social Moth Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jeroen wrote: I thought beautiful and brazilian guys were mutually exclusive. Alberto replied: [in fact, it's beautiful and guys that are mutually exclusive, by definition of beautiful. At leat it was so when I learned English, more than a quarter of a century ago] Yes and no. By dictionary definition (dictionary.com), beautiful simply means : 1.Having qualities that delight the senses, especially the sense of sight. 2.Excellent; wonderful. By common usage, men usually refer to women as beautiful and women usually refer to men as handsome, but that's not a strict rule. Typically, in my experience, the more conservative one is, and the older one is, the more unlikely one is to use the word beautiful in reference to a man. YMMV, of course. Reggie Bautista _ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:16 PM 10/30/2002 +0100 J. van Baardwijk wrote: You were not ignoring *me*, you were ignoring my questions and my requests for proof for your claims. If I was not ignoring you, why did you start sending your questions for me to all of my e-mail addresses that you knew about, so as to find a way aronud my killfile? JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: I'd have separate scores for dings received an dings given. If Erik's codes are applied to dings received, we could have a code for dingers along the lines of Tolerant, Capricious and Opinion Police Now *that* would be interesting... ;o) Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Erik Reuter wrote: Maybe we could also have things that decrease your ding number. Not dongs (I give you the dong! :-) ummm, tips or nods? Or you could call them kisses (or carresses, or ...) and then the codes for people who use them would mean friendly, promiscuous, and real whore. It implies you only expect the women on this list to do that. Shouldn't you make the assigned values at least gender neutral or better still find something equally insulting for the men Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I'm trying to find out what the problem is: I just got Sonja's post on this, but Jim's was already in my inbox before lunch, so clearly others received it in timely fashion. We have a T1 line at the office; emails from my Hotmail to Yahoo accounts and vice versa take no more than moments - 5 minutes (it varies). Ideas? As for one of the subjects in this post: trying to use someone to get at someone else is just plain wrong. And cursing at the first someone (ie. Sonja) is despicable. :( Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 18:02 29-10-2002 +0100, Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Out of context from exchange between Debbi and Nick: Debbi: I must once again respectfully disagree. Anonymous dings, no matter the value they are given, go against the idea of transparency. If someone dings me, I want to know who did it. Nick: I'm sure you do... but I don't think transparency need be carried that far, necessarily. Debbi did not write what you attribute to her -- I wrote that. Jeroen Minor detail van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 13:03 29-10-2002 -0500, Jim Sharkey wrote: Jeroen can be difficult at times, and yes he bugs me sometimes as I do him, I'm sure, OH YES! GRIN Jeroen Where's the bug spray? van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- J. van Baardwijk wrote: Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Out of context from exchange between Debbi and Nick: Debbi: I must once again respectfully disagree. Anonymous dings, no matter the value they are given, go against the idea of transparency. If someone dings me, I want to know who did it. Nick: I'm sure you do... but I don't think transparency need be carried that far, necessarily. Debbi did not write what you attribute to her -- I wrote that. Jeroen Minor detail van Baardwijk I _thought_ that seemed more elaborate than what I remembered writing... wry grin What I did say on Sat., Oct 26, same thread, was: I personally would prefer to know who (and why). If I am convinced someone needs dinging, I am willing to have my opinion made public. If someone wants to ding me, I'd like to know [why]... But transparency would be easier. And more in the spirit of IAAMOAC. And after further consideration, I have to agree with Erik that anonymous dinging should be severely penalized. If allowed at all. And you ought to try talking it out offlist first [*politely*], as somebody has already suggested. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 13:27 29-10-2002 -0800, Deborah Harrell wrote: And after further consideration, I have to agree with Erik that anonymous dinging should be severely penalized. Excellent idea. So, what type of penalty did you have in mind for those anonymous dingers? Hanging? Beheading? Bullet through the head? Lethal injection? VERY EVIL GRIN Jeroen Forty ways to kill a dinger van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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De : Deborah Harrell [mailto:harrellmedleg;yahoo.com] And after further consideration, I have to agree with Erik that anonymous dinging should be severely penalized. If allowed at all. And you ought to try talking it out offlist first [*politely*], as somebody has already suggested. I don't think anonymous dinging should be allowed at all. If you're willing to penalize someone, you should be ready to suffer the consequences, which include having the dingee pi**ed at you. I'd rather just not have dinging at all. I'm very effec- tive at deleting emails which I don't feel like reading. Jean-Louis ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Julia wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm trying to find out what the problem is: I just got Sonja's post on this, but Jim's was already in my inbox before lunch, so clearly others received it in timely fashion. We have a T1 line at the office; emails from my Hotmail to Yahoo accounts and vice versa take no more than moments - 5 minutes (it varies). Ideas? Question: Do longer posts take longer to reach you? No. Frex, a 2K post from William (13:25 EST) 'arrived' approx. 45-60 min after his 3K post of 13:41. But I'll try to keep better track of timing from now on (as I am at work, I don't have a 'you've got mail' alert, but check in when able). Evil Gremlins Of Silicon Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- J. van Baardwijk wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: And after further consideration, I have to agree with Erik that anonymous dinging should be severely penalized. Excellent idea. So, what type of penalty did you have in mind for those anonymous dingers? Hanging? Beheading? Bullet through the head? Lethal injection? VERY EVIL GRIN Well, with all the recent talk on the list of Waves of Bran and cod liver oil, I'm thinking... *do not read if you have a queasy stomach* * * ... a triple-H enema: high, hot and a hell of a lot! (slang from at VA hospital days) Right Back At Ya Maru ;) __ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Julia wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: I'm trying to find out what the problem is: I just got Sonja's post on this, but Jim's was already in my inbox before lunch, so clearly others received it in timely fashion. We have a T1 line at the office; emails from my Hotmail to Yahoo accounts and vice versa take no more than moments - 5 minutes (it varies). Ideas? Question: Do longer posts take longer to reach you? No. Frex, a 2K post from William (13:25 EST) 'arrived' approx. 45-60 min after his 3K post of 13:41. But I'll try to keep better track of timing from now on (as I am at work, I don't have a 'you've got mail' alert, but check in when able). Evil Gremlins Of Silicon Maru OK, there went my *simple* explanation of what might have been happening. :P Is it just today, or is this a regular occurrence? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Debbi wrote: And after further consideration, I have to agree with Erik that anonymous dinging should be severely penalized. If allowed at all. And you ought to try talking it out offlist first [*politely*], as somebody has already suggested. Somehow, the thought of anonymous dinging had never entered my mind before this discussion started. Since I first heard mention of dinging, I always assumed it would be an open, transparent process. Personally, I'd like to see the ding-er give an explanation to the ding-ee as to why they are being dinged in a calm, polite way, much like it used to be when someone was tapped by the legendary wand of dinging. Reggie Bautista GSV Those Were The Days _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jim Sharkey wrote: BUT I'm really absolutely totally completely sick and tired of people telling me what an 'ignorant fool', 'arrogant basterd' or 'fucking son of a bitch' etc my husband is. Well, that's just plain messed up. The folks that have the temerity to insult your husband to you in such a way need a serious lesson in manners at the very least. Jeroen can be difficult at times, and yes he bugs me sometimes as I do him, I'm sure, but I can't imagine asking you to handle it, and especially not accompanied by that kind of disparagement. Shame on those of you that did that. Seriously. Ditto. Ritu GCU Succint GSV Or Just Sleepy ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 06:02 PM 10/29/2002 +0100 Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: My opinion on listmail is that if you don't like what somebody has to say, ignore it. People have a right to an opinion, fortunatly others have just as much right to ignore it. Use that right. Use filters, be it just mere mental or state of the art electronical, you are equipped with them for a reason. Thank you for your interesting, calm, and reasonable thoughts. Unfortunately, the problem with your sentiments is that some people go absolutely bazooka if you simply choose to let subjects drop that you no longer care to pursue, let alone kill-file them, or ignore them. Thus, it seems that a certain list-member's rejection of your above sentiments - ie the rejection of the principle that one listmember has the right to ignore another list-member - is the source of the current angst among the rest of the listmembers. JDG ___ John D. Giorgis - [EMAIL PROTECTED] People everywhere want to say what they think; choose who will govern them; worship as they please; educate their children -- male and female; own property; and enjoy the benefits of their labor. These values of freedom are right and true for every person, in every society -- and the duty of protecting these values against their enemies is the common calling of freedom-loving people across the globe and across the ages. -US National Security Policy, 2002 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Reggie Bautista wrote: Somehow, the thought of anonymous dinging had never entered my mind before this discussion started. Since I first heard mention of dinging, I always assumed it would be an open, transparent process. Personally, I'd like to see the ding-er give an explanation to the ding-ee as to why they are being dinged in a calm, polite way, much like it used to be when someone was tapped by the legendary wand of dinging. Same here. The dinging Nick is developing seems pretty far from what we called dinging in Jo Anne's day. The idea of anonymous dings makes me nervous, plus I always thought of a ding as merely a message telling the dingee (or other small boat ;-) ) to cool off, not a mechanism for slowing down the dingee's posting. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages ... http://www.sloan3d.com/brinl Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Steve Sloan II [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: test Reggie Bautista wrote: Somehow, the thought of anonymous dinging had never entered my mind before this discussion started. Since I first heard mention of dinging, I always assumed it would be an open, transparent process. Personally, I'd like to see the ding-er give an explanation to the ding-ee as to why they are being dinged in a calm, polite way, much like it used to be when someone was tapped by the legendary wand of dinging. Same here. The dinging Nick is developing seems pretty far from what we called dinging in Jo Anne's day. The idea of anonymous dings makes me nervous, plus I always thought of a ding as merely a message telling the dingee (or other small boat ;-) ) to cool off, not a mechanism for slowing down the dingee's posting. I can see anonymous dings being a problem. I think we can do without that feature. To first order, the folks who will ding are now the folks who write emails discussing their displeasure with a post or a series of posts. The difficulty with the Jo Anne method is that times have changed. We have at least two posters who have indicated a strong disinclination to stopping a series of posts because it was politely requested. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sharkey [snip] Do we know if he intended for the dings to be anonymous? Anyone? I know! At first, that was the thought, but that was because DB borrowed the notion from live chat, where the dynamics are quite different. My intention is to try to figure out something that works in this environment, with help from all of you. It surely won't satisfy all, perhaps none, but I hope we can collectively arrive at minimal governance with maximum positive effect for all. And I'm sure that no matter what is done, some people will disagree about whether we have arrived there or not. I guess I should point out that I will have ultimate veto power over anything I code -- that's the perogative of the inventor. But the community ultimately gets to decide if it wants to *use* it, which is what ultimately matters. I'll also add that I'm looking at this with an eye toward David's ideas about disputation forums on the net. I'm interested in seeing that sort of thing work, as it would appear to fit nicely as an item in my toolchest for the new venture I'm working on. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 07:17 27-10-2002 -0800, Nick Arnett wrote: Why not make a webpage (I hereby volunteer some space at Brin-L.com for it) that lists the full history of Brin-L dinging then? It will make the system more transparent, and it will be easy to notice by everyone if someone is trying to abuse the system. Yeah, let's put it right next to Hall of Shame, There is no Hall of Shame on Brin-L.com -- not even a *mention* of it. just past a list of unkept promises you made to share the archives, Those are not unkept promises, those are not-yet-fulfilled promises. When I first started on the Archive, all I had were the posts from mid-1998 on. Two members sent me their own incomplete archives, so that an (almost) complete Brin-L Archive could be built. The whole process took an awful lot of time, because I had to go through those two archives (which contained not only Brin-L messages) one message at the time (and there were *thousands* of messages there). Also, part of the Archive had to be constructed by cutting up entire Digests (a few hundred of them) into individual posts. That part of the whole building process was completed not so long ago. The next thing to do is index the messages, and find out where exactly the holes are in the Archive. After that, I have to figure out how to get the Archive on-line with as little trouble as possible. All that will take an awful lot of time -- which I do not have available in overwhelming quantities. Although I try to work on it whenever possible, other things (such as family, work and studying) have a higher priority. Of course, if someone wants the Archive available a lot sooner and is willing to pay me enough to quit my job so I can work on the Archive full-time, feel free to contact me. near the inappropriate disclosure of the subscriber list, The subscriber list was not and is not published on Brin-L.com. And again, it was posted because someone *asked* for it to be posted. down the hall from the general complaints. ...which also are not published on Brin-L.com. Jeroen Get your facts straight van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 16:56 27-10-2002 -0600, Julia Thompson wrote: Well, if in the end the net result is slowing of messages, if we want to limit it to one *unanswered* ding per dinger per dingee per day and allow unlimited back-and-forthing of it, what that will do is to greatly limit the amount of traffic either of the two dingers could post to the actual list. Not really. The dinging system will only *slow down* the messages, not delete them. So, if I find 10 messages in my Inbox that I want to reply to, I will write and send those 10 replies; it will only take a bit longer before they make it to the list. Jeroen Shields up! Red alert! van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 06:27 27-10-2002 -0600, Adam Lipscomb wrote intolerantly: Maybe we should just permanently ban misbehaving listmembers, like the ones that make threats to hold the list hostage to their idea of how we should behave. GREAT. I ALREADY WAS A NAZI AND AN ANTI-SEMITE (ACCORDING TO SOME VERY INTOLERANT IDIOTS HERE, THAT IS), AND NOW I AM ALSO A FUCKING TERRORIST. SO, WHEN CAN I EXPECT THE ANTI-TERRORIST UNIT TO COME AND BREAK DOWN MY DOOR? BUT OK! FINE! HAVE IT YOUR WAY! AGAINST MY BETTER JUDGEMENT, I WILL ONCE AGAIN LET MYSELF BE BULLIED INTO SHUTTING UP ABOUT GIORGIS'S GROSS ANTI-SOCIAL MISBEHAVIOUR ON THIS LIST. FOR NOW, ANYWAY. BUT THE MINUTE HE RESUMES HIS USUAL MISBEHAVIOUR, I WILL BE RIGHT THERE TO CALL HIM ON IT. (AND NO, THAT IS NOT A THREAT -- IT IS A PROMISE!) I AM SURE THAT YOU WILL SHORTLY RECEIVE A MESSAGE FROM GIORGIS IN WHICH HE CONGRATULATES YOU ON SUCCEEDING IN SILENCING THAT ARROGANT PIECE OF EUROPEAN SHIT WHO DARED TO QUESTION GIORGIS'S SELF-PROCLAIMED MORAL AND INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORITY OVER THE REST OF THE WORLD. HE WILL BE SO PROUD OF YOU. BUT REMEMBER, SOME DAY *YOU* WILL SAY SOMETHING THAT GIORGIS DOES NOT LIKE TO HEAR, AND THEN *YOU* WILL BECOME THE NEXT VICTIM OF HIS ARROGANCE, HIS INTOLERANCE AND HIS HATE-SPEWING. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, THERE WILL BE ONE LONG-TIME DUTCH LISTMEMBER WHO WILL MOST CERTAINLY *NOT* COME TO YOUR DEFENSE... WONDERFUL -- SOLVING THE PROBLEM BY SILENCING THE PERSON WHO POINTS OUT THE PROBLEM. THE SADDAM HUSSEINS OF THIS WORLD WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU. TIME TO START MY EXPERIMENT. Jeroen The only good Giorgis is a silent Giorgis van Baardwijk __ Corrupted-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jeroen wrote: GREAT. *snipped some apparent typographical errors* I WILL ONCE AGAIN ... BE ... SHUTTING UP *more snippage - editing mine* Jeroen, I appreciate your decision on this. I know it came hard to you, but it's a big step, and I'm proud of you. I look forward to reading your opinions on recent events worldwide, and to politely discussing them with you. My best to your family, and I know Tom will grow to be a fine young man. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 17:18 26-10-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: What I would like would be an automated[1] system with web-based interface where the dinger indicates who they want to ding, with a field for explanation for the ding, and for anonymous dinging to be possible, but penalized; the dingee would be notified via e-mail of the ding, and the explanation included in the e-mail. Sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is not really useful, not really complies with IAAMOAC, and goes against David Brin's wish that this list be unmoderated. Oh, and that there be a webpage where you can look at all the dings you have received, with expirations of each, and all the dings you have given, with the same. (Being able to request such a list via e-mail, or be set up for an automated mailing of this once every 24 hours might be nice, as well, as long as I'm making a wishlist here) Why not make a webpage (I hereby volunteer some space at Brin-L.com for it) that lists the full history of Brin-L dinging then? It will make the system more transparent, and it will be easy to notice by everyone if someone is trying to abuse the system. Jeroen Shields up! Red alert! van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 00:20 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Our aim is to find a set of rules, or heuristics, that prevent abuse -- not necessarily the possibility of abuse, but certainly from a practical standpoint. That makes sense. I support the idea of dings because it allows the community to slow down mail bombs, quiet flame wars, etc. without throwing anyone off. Dinging will not stop it, it will only delay it. The only difference will be that a flame sent at 13:00 GMT will not arrive at 13:01 GMT but at, say, 18:00 hours. If the flame war consists of a number of messages from more than one person, that all get delayed, it will even stretch the duration; instead of one day, it might take three or four days. The fact is, we already tolerate near-anonymity from subscribers who only identify themselves with pseudonyms, rather than their legal names. I imagine that if we had a member who was threatening retribution for dinging (mail-bombing, lawsuits, etc.), anonimity might prove the only means of bringing some order. Maybe not necessary, though. Since we have a list member who has mail bombed, and has threatened lawsuits, and has, perhaps in jest, threatened violence, I think that is reasonable. You must be talking about some other list. AFAIK this list has never been mail bombed (unless your definition of mail bomb is quite different from its common meaning -- an attempt to disrupt service by overloading the server). As for threats of lawsuits and violence, that probably depends on whether you use the American or European definition of threat. As for lawsuits, I doubt that even an US judge would consider dinging a valid reason for filing a lawsuit; the complaining party would probably end up being fined for filing frivolous lawsuits. As for the anonimity, I doubt it would help in bringing some order. I think there is a very real risk that the dingee will then simply turn against the whole list, following the reasoning if I hit them all, I must also hit the dinger. This whole dinging system might cause more problems than it solves... Jeroen Shields up! Red alert! van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Jeroen wrote: At 00:20 27-10-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: That makes sense. I support the idea of dings because it allows the community to slow down mail bombs, quiet flame wars, etc. without throwing anyone off. Dinging will not stop it, it will only delay it. The only difference will be that a flame sent at 13:00 GMT will not arrive at 13:01 GMT but at, say, 18:00 hours. If the flame war consists of a number of messages from more than one person, that all get delayed, it will even stretch the duration; instead of one day, it might take three or four days. Hmm - good point. Maybe we should just permanently ban misbehaving listmembers, like the ones that make threats to hold the list hostage to their idea of how we should behave. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Silence. I am watching television. - Spider Jerusalem ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick wrote (I think) It is quite literally a moderating effect. Jeroen replied. EXACTLY! Which is exactly why this is a bad idea -- it goes straight against David Brin's wishes that this list be unmoderated. Not all moderation is created equal. I would be opposed to moderation or censure of topics, but having a COMPLETELY unmoderated list is like having a nation with laws but no police force. The laws (rules, guidelines, whatever) are only good as long as they are followed. If they are not followed, they have to be enforced. If they are not enforced, then there is no reason to create guidelines or rules to begin with. (oh wait, that is beginning to sound like the U.N.!) If the rules are enforced, then people might be less inclined to act out and break the rules over and over. I have always thought that the list administrators should have veto power if a topic or discussion gets out of hand. The REAL challenge there is voting/assigning the right people with that power and trusting them to enforce the rules within the guidelines that have been established. Until we live in our perfect world, there will always be a need for moderators at some level. By the way, I am not talking about anyone in particular here. ___ Gary L. Nunn Delaware Ohio When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you. -African proverb ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE: test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... Sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is not really useful, not really complies with IAAMOAC, and goes against David Brin's wish that this list be unmoderated. David Brin *suggested* the system. *touche* I know I would never use DB to support my position without talking to him first; especially when fussing at someone who has lunch with him. :-) On a practical matter, you are not planning on letting one poster give another 20 dings/day by themselves, are you? That could be a problem, I think. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE: test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... Sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is not really useful, not really complies with IAAMOAC, and goes against David Brin's wish that this list be unmoderated. David Brin *suggested* the system. *touche* I know I would never use DB to support my position without talking to him first; especially when fussing at someone who has lunch with him. :-) On a practical matter, you are not planning on letting one poster give another 20 dings/day by themselves, are you? That could be a problem, I think. I think that dinging should be limited on a per-day basis. I think that no single person should give another single person more than one ding per day, at least until we see how the system works out in reality. If someone wants to ding 10 different people in one day, I don't have a problem with that, especially since being the dinger would carry some cost. (This is just my opinion, though.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: test Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE: test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... Sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is not really useful, not really complies with IAAMOAC, and goes against David Brin's wish that this list be unmoderated. David Brin *suggested* the system. *touche* I know I would never use DB to support my position without talking to him first; especially when fussing at someone who has lunch with him. :-) On a practical matter, you are not planning on letting one poster give another 20 dings/day by themselves, are you? That could be a problem, I think. I think that dinging should be limited on a per-day basis. I think that no single person should give another single person more than one ding per day, at least until we see how the system works out in reality. If someone wants to ding 10 different people in one day, I don't have a problem with that, especially since being the dinger would carry some cost. (This is just my opinion, though.) I think that is reasonable. But, I've got a neat, IMHO, variation on that. If person A dings person B, who dings back, person A should be free to ding again. But, then person B would also be free to ding back. The question is whether we will have two antagonists who act like dingbats by dinging back and forth. Dan M. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of Dan Minette ... I think that is reasonable. But, I've got a neat, IMHO, variation on that. If person A dings person B, who dings back, person A should be free to ding again. But, then person B would also be free to ding back. The question is whether we will have two antagonists who act like dingbats by dinging back and forth. Wouldn't that make them dingbacks, rather than dingbats? Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:08 AM Subject: Re: test Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:17 AM Subject: RE: test -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:brin-l-bounces;mccmedia.com]On Behalf Of J. van Baardwijk ... Sounds like an awful lot of work for something that is not really useful, not really complies with IAAMOAC, and goes against David Brin's wish that this list be unmoderated. David Brin *suggested* the system. *touche* I know I would never use DB to support my position without talking to him first; especially when fussing at someone who has lunch with him. :-) On a practical matter, you are not planning on letting one poster give another 20 dings/day by themselves, are you? That could be a problem, I think. I think that dinging should be limited on a per-day basis. I think that no single person should give another single person more than one ding per day, at least until we see how the system works out in reality. If someone wants to ding 10 different people in one day, I don't have a problem with that, especially since being the dinger would carry some cost. (This is just my opinion, though.) I think that is reasonable. But, I've got a neat, IMHO, variation on that. If person A dings person B, who dings back, person A should be free to ding again. But, then person B would also be free to ding back. The question is whether we will have two antagonists who act like dingbats by dinging back and forth. Well, if in the end the net result is slowing of messages, if we want to limit it to one *unanswered* ding per dinger per dingee per day and allow unlimited back-and-forthing of it, what that will do is to greatly limit the amount of traffic either of the two dingers could post to the actual list. Which, if they're in the sort of mindset that repeated dinging would indicate, might not be such a bad idea. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:42 PM 10/26/02, William Taylor wrote: Ten dings = one dong Ronn Blankenship wrote: And 10 dongs = 1 dung? That makes an odd sort of sense, because if we ever need that many dings, it will probably be during a major shit-storm... ;-) __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages ... http://www.sloan3d.com/brinl Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
