Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January 2011 4:22 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Do yourself (and the community) a favor... train a PHP/Java
[mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January 2011 4:22 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Do yourself (and the community) a favor... train a PHP/Java/.NET/Ruby
developer in ColdFusion if you are struggling to hire someone. CF is so
easy
+1 on this.
When I created the Web Technology Group team at Macromedia to
rewrite the e-commerce parts of the website (built with BroadVision
back then), just after they acquired Allaire, we cross-trained a team
of Java / C++ developers to CFML with great success. We later hired
some CF
...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:03 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Mike,
Companies in Omaha have been searching for multiple CF developers for months
(our unemployment rate in NE - 5.5%). The Midwest has plenty of CF jobs. We
are hiring for one.
-Mark
Do yourself (and the community) a favor... train a PHP/Java/.NET/Ruby
developer in ColdFusion if you are struggling to hire someone. CF is so easy
to learn you'll likely spend less time training a developer than you would
searching for one. Our anecdotal evidence shows that an experienced OO
I have to agree with this.
Regards,
Andrew Scott
http://www.andyscott.id.au/
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:adrocknapho...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 January 2011 4:22 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Do yourself
Or it could be seen as a negative sign that after ten years CF still
hasn't been able to shake off the cf is dying stigma.
True this. Scour the web - how many other languages have their devoted
developers constantly asking this same question over and over? PHP? Ruby?
Java? Etc.?
Some HAVE
LOL Stuart Smalley, 2000-present:
I don't know what I'm doing. They're gonna cancel the show {kill my
programming language}. I'm gonna die homeless and penniless and twenty pounds
overweight.
Let's balance it out... I was recently reminded by a relative of this useful
quote:
I have lived a
So Rome isn't burning then?
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Marc Funaro subscripti...@advantex.netwrote:
Or it could be seen as a negative sign that after ten years CF still
hasn't been able to shake off the cf is dying stigma.
True this. Scour the web - how many other languages have
Before I get flamed (get it?) I better add a ;) to that.
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
So Rome isn't burning then?
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Marc Funaro
subscripti...@advantex.netwrote:
Or it could be seen as a negative sign that after
So Rome isn't burning then?
Donno. Why? Has Be Forta Taken up the fiddle?
G!
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
So Rome isn't burning then?
On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Marc Funaro subscripti...@advantex.net
wrote:
Or it could be seen as a
I'd say CF was as easy as ever to use. However, the community continues to
mature and provide an ever increasing toolset to help CFers make their code
more robust, more maintainable and step up to professional demands. So,
yeah, the developers out there *are* part responsible for the success of
for CFML developer
www.michaels.me.uk: my blog
www.cfsearch.com : my ColdFusion search engine
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: 14 January 2011 04:00
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset
ColdFusion search engine
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: 14 January 2011 04:00
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill
it entirely, but it's
Here's another viewpoint to throw into the pile.
Just because MORE businesses aren't using ColdFusion, doesn't mean that
businesses aren't using MORE ColdFusion. The product can continue to
grow without adding new customers.
At my last job, when I started working there we had 4 CF developers
-existent. How many times does a company have to
look for CF devs and not find any before they move on to a different
language?
-Original Message-
From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 19:18
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
No. I'm comparing little apples (Allaire) to bigger apples (Macromedia) to
enormous apples (Adobe).
I've been using CF for many many years. I've done a lot to spread the word
in my neck of the woods. I've been laughed at for years
Not many, in my employer's case. Now I'm a .NET developer.
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http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/
On 14 January 2011 22:06, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
How many times does a company have to
look for CF devs and not find any before they
: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sean Corfield
seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:
Didn't you read what I said?
Loosely translated, you said that the continued success of a commercial
product is the responsibility of the consumer to advocate it's use to other
Are you responsible for making that your car or your refrigerator or your
TV is a commercial success?
-Original Message-
From: Sean Corfield [mailto:seancorfi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 20:16
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset
to me like Adobe (as Macromedia did) sat on CF's laurels in
the marketing department and didn't do much to grow the business.
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:dwa...@figleaf.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 22:00
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest
Just because MORE businesses aren't using ColdFusion, doesn't mean that
businesses aren't using MORE ColdFusion
I think I can attest to that. We add another 20 or so CF sites to the list
every year. And our client aren't slouches. They include banks, credit unions,
major law firms,
Imagine of Adobe spent as much as it does for Flash or Photoshop in getting
the word out as it does for CF
There's one thing that kills me. I think CF may be around a lot longer than
Flash. Talk around here is that Flash may die. I know we are using jQuery and
CSS more and more and relying
I'm with Robert on this one... more work than we can shake a stick at...
high profile clients.
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From: Robert Harrison [mailto:rob...@austin-williams.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:18 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Just
I am enjoying the conversation on this as I think it is healthy.
Adobe is very gracious to the developer community. They
provide funds for user groups and local conferences all the
time. They groom the CF ACP people to be evangelists for the
product. Preaching to the choir is important, but
Preaching to the choir is important, but does it
grow the developer base if our corporate datacenters won't
support CF?
The ranting crazy guy is right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8To-6VIJZRE
G!
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Roger Austin raust...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I am enjoying the
Are you responsible for making that your car or your refrigerator or your
TV is a commercial success?
No. But this is not even wrong as a response: once again, illustrating
the limits of analogies.
Cars and refrigerators aren't anything like programming languages. I
don't get any benefit from
So just because that is the way things have been, they should continue?
Come on Dave... Imagine if people saw a big market for CF and companies
knew the full extent of its capabilities. Imagine of Adobe spent as much as
it does for Flash or Photoshop in getting the word out as it does for
We could have been having this same conversation ten years ago.
Too right. However how you interpret that is up to you. I guess it could be
seen as a positive sign that despite all the doom and gloom CF is still
around. Or it could be seen as a negative sign that after ten years CF still
No one is saying you're responsible for making CF successful.
In many ways, we are.
If all CF Coders were hacks and the code doesn't work, the market place is just
as likely to think CF is garbage as it is to realize their site didn't work
because they hired a hack. No matter how good CF
Michael is echoing what I meant to say; I should have been more clear that
when I said grow the product I actually meant grow the user base of the
product.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
You really believe they're not grow[ing] the product with all
I've seen a lot of real crap code on some of the older sites I've taken
over. On those sites CF wasn't the problem, the coder was the problem
In fairness, I should add... I've looked at a lot of my own code from my first
few sites and said that's crap.
CF turned me into a newt... well,
Andrew,
people figured out how to do even more clever stuff than that, sprite
multi-plexing and sprite in the border became pretty common place. Sprites
in the border was actually invented in the early 80's by 1001 crew.
every heard of FLI (Flexible Line Interfacing), it was a way of creating
]
Sent: Thursday, 13 January 2011 9:50 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
Andrew,
people figured out how to do even more clever stuff than that, sprite
multi-
plexing and sprite in the border became pretty common place. Sprites in
the
border
Why not join myself, Ben Nadel and many other CFers by purchasing Seven
Languages in Seven Weeks and working thru all the exercises?
http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Languages-Weeks-Programming-Programmers/dp/193435659X/
, which was a fullscreen
king tut picture.
-Original Message-
From: Andrew Scott [mailto:andr...@andyscott.id.au]
Sent: 13 January 2011 11:41
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
And when do you think I worked on these games?
My brother and I had
: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
So basically, Flash's implementation of Ajax (generic
usage of the term) is faster than, say jQuery's?
Would that be accurate?
-Original Message-
From: Mark A. Kruger [mailto:mkru...@cfwebtools.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 1:41 PM
To: cf-talk
: RE: Is Coldfusion losing its biggest asset?
No that would not be accurate. Flash's animation engine is designed for
animation. It's smooth and slick and scales when you zoom or draw back
(vector graphic stuff). Ajax animation is basically HTML smoke and mirrors
- good stuff and works well
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Why not join myself, Ben Nadel and many other CFers by purchasing Seven
Languages in Seven Weeks and working thru all the exercises?
http://www.amazon.com/Seven-Languages-Weeks-Programming-Programmers/dp/19343
5659X/
http
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:58 AM, Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:
For those who have run through this book, how much time at a minimum did
they find they needed to spend on each language?
Ben Nadel gave an indication of how long most of the homework
exercises have taken him in his blog
Just a thought: I bought the book and haven't yet started it. Something
encouraging my procrastination is the horrid thought of having various
language server services setup on my machine with noob configurations (me
being the noob). It struck me that using some sort of Linux VM for learning
Most languages won't be a service. CF is a language + a platform.
Stuff like Perl, Ruby, etc, would be just a set of files to let you
run stuff. Much like Java by itself isn't a service.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Dominic Watson
watson.domi...@googlemail.com wrote:
Just a thought: I
Great idea.just setup a base VMcopy the virtual disks (one per
language)then setup each as needed
On Thu, 2011-01-13 at 17:51 +, Dominic Watson wrote:
Just a thought: I bought the book and haven't yet started it. Something
encouraging my procrastination is the horrid thought
Mission already accomplished by a friend and former CFUG manager:
http://www.jumpbox.com/
http://www.jumpbox.com/
nathan strutz
[http://www.dopefly.com/] [http://hi.im/nathanstrutz]
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Bryan Stevenson
br...@electricedgesystems.com wrote:
Great idea.just
I run VMWare Fusion and do this all the time. I can setup experimental servers
and trials for most anything. I also have an Ubuntu Desktop VM just for fun
because sometimes my Mac isn't Linux enough. I have about 6 or 7 base VM
images that I work with. Plus you can always create snapshots
Will Swain w...@hothorse.com wrote:
For those who have run through this book, how much time at a minimum did
they find they needed to spend on each language?
I would totally agree that learning new languages is an essential part of
being a professional developer (if that is what
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Dominic Watson
watson.domi...@googlemail.com wrote:
Just a thought: I bought the book and haven't yet started it. Something
encouraging my procrastination is the horrid thought of having various
language server services setup on my machine with noob
Shame CF is not listed
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 January 2011 18:07
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Mission already accomplished by a friend and former CFUG manager:
http://www.jumpbox.com/
http
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Roger Austin raust...@nc.rr.com wrote:
I am using the Prag Prog approach and learning one language a year or at least
targeting one. Get proficient rather than just hit to highlights. This year,
I am working on clojure and getting better at
Consulting
wilg...@trunkful.com
www.trunkful.com
On Jan 13, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Russ Michaels wrote:
Shame CF is not listed
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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 January 2011 18:07
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset
://hi.im/nathanstrutz]
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Russ Michaels r...@michaels.me.uk wrote:
Shame CF is not listed
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From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 January 2011 18:07
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote:
It would be nice if the Railo folks worked with Jumpbox to provide a Railo
JumpBox. Sean? hint? hint? :-)
Well, Railo already has an Amazon AMI fully configured and ready to
run. This is the first time I've heard
To: cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:06:24 -0800
From: seancorfi...@gmail.com
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote:
It would be nice if the Railo folks worked with Jumpbox to provide
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Russ Michaels wrote:
Believe it or not there is still a C64 scene going strong, people still
writing demos etc. So maybe you can find your old games.
I always wanted to go to a demo party in like, Norway or some such. *le sigh*
Guess I ain't dead yet, and
keys.
Russ
-Original Message-
From: Nathan Strutz [mailto:str...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 January 2011 18:42
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Because it's open source, they can't put Adobe CF on there. He did make a
video (#21, http://blog.jumpbox.com/2009/09/28
: denstar [mailto:valliants...@gmail.com]
Sent: 13 January 2011 20:03
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:01 AM, Russ Michaels wrote:
Believe it or not there is still a C64 scene going strong, people still
writing demos etc. So maybe
Your numbers are somewhat deceptive. You also need to look at the locations,
and the median salary by location. You'll find that CF developer salaries are
higher than many of the other web based languages.
That said, why does this sort of troll occur on a regular basis?
Wow. Whether you
Well they aren't my numbers, they are the numbers that were on the job board
that someone else posted. I was just listing what I saw. True the CF jobs
are slightly higher paying, but that's a symtom of having a much smaller
talent pool to draw from.
I would love CF to be a more serious
12:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: RE: 6502 (was Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?)
Believe it or not there is still a C64 scene going strong, people still
writing
demos etc. So maybe you can find your old games.
I had a few C128's and C128D's, can't say I ever really had any problems
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
Unfortunately I don't Adobe has
done much to dispel those myths. I hope I'm wrong. But I couldn't in good
conscience tell a n00b to start learning CF over Ruby or PHP.
Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages
It's not the responsibility of a company to make it's offerings successful
in the marketplace?
If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it?
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Michael Grant
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
If the success of CF isn't Adobe's responsibility then who's is it?
Didn't you read what I said?
Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come about
_without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com wrote:
Remember: the success of PHP, Ruby and other languages has come about
_without_ a company spending money on marketing. Those languages have
become popular because their users - their communities - have
evangelized
Sean, and others - I would argue that the ColdFusion community has been doing
just that for years. I would also argue that price and the lack of ANY school,
college, etc exposing students to ColdFusion is also a big part of this. No,
it's not Adobe's fault, ColdFusion has been a commercial
Railo.
--
WSS4CF - WS-Security framework for CF
http://wss4cf.riaforge.org/
On 14 January 2011 09:03, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, but PHP, Ruby and other languages don't have an up front cost
associated with them.
Of course it is (now) Adobe's responsibility to make its offerings (CF, in
this case) successful in the marketplace. And CF **is** extremely
successful in the marketplace. You and Adobe's idea of marketplace just
happen to be two different things. But since their business relies on their
I read it Sean. You said that I can't lay the fault at Adobe's door. And I
disagree. The difference between ACF and Ruby and PHP isn't how zealous it's
community is. CF zealots are some of the most involved and passionate out
there. And you can choke a horse with the amount of tutorials and books
I truly fear it may be a day late and a dollar short.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:07 PM, James Holmes james.hol...@gmail.comwrote:
Railo.
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On 14 January 2011 09:03, Charlie Griefer charlie.grie...@gmail.com
wrote:
/
-Original Message-
From: Matt Quackenbush [mailto:quackfu...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011 12:09 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Of course it is (now) Adobe's responsibility to make its offerings (CF, in
this
case) successful
I didn't miss his point at all. Don't interpret a differing opinion as a
lack of understanding. He's comparing free open source products (apples) to
extremely expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't
successful is because the community hasn't evangelized enough. I don't think
Hmm. Isn't that exactly what you (and others) are doing, too? Comparing
apples to oranges?
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:18 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
He's comparing free open source products (apples) to
extremely expensive products (oranges) and saying the reason it isn't
successful is
I'll continue to love the language and lament that Adobe ever bought it
Actually, I am glad Adobe bought ColdFusion (Macromedia). For decades Adobe
has been a leader if not the leader in print media. For years Adobe had been
trying to figure out how to make the transition from print to
No. I'm comparing little apples (Allaire) to bigger apples (Macromedia) to
enormous apples (Adobe).
I've been using CF for many many years. I've done a lot to spread the word
in my neck of the woods. I've been laughed at for years for my choice of
go-to languages. I've talked until I'm blue in
I too have been around since v4 (or was it 3? I don't remember), but that
is irrelevant. This is the first time (in this thread anyways) that you
have even mentioned Allaire or Macromedia, let alone compared them to
Adobe. All of your posts are railing against Adobe for not doing their
part to
My guess is that Adobe makes a small but reliable profit with ColdFusion,
and therefore has very little incentive to spend money marketing it. They
are probably quite happy collecting license fees and paying a few devs to
crank out new versions.
This bodes well in that as long as it is
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.comwrote:
Didn't you read what I said?
Loosely translated, you said that the continued success of a commercial
product is the responsibility of the consumer to advocate it's use to other
consumers and not the company that
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Wil Genovese jugg...@trunkful.com wrote:
I would also argue that price and the lack of ANY school, college, etc
exposing students to ColdFusion is also a big part of this.
I'll argue against this being an issue (as I've argued against it
several times in the
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:57 PM, Josh Nathanson joshnathan...@gmail.com wrote:
This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill it
entirely, but it's certainly no way to grow the product.
Oh come on! After the huge list of enhancements added in both ACF8 and
ACF9? And
I'm not sure I'm understanding. Since I didn't mention Macromedia or Allaire
before, I'm not allowed to mention them now? Even though it's a factor in my
opinion about why I think Adobe isn't doing enough?
This isn't a debate class. It's a forum. And I'm a long term CF advocate who
thinks the
You really believe they're not grow[ing] the product with all of those
advances and investment and effort??
I know for me the issue isn't that they aren't growing the product. The
product just keeps getting better. It's that they aren't growing the user
base enough.
P.S. I don't have a hate on for Adobe, even though it sounds like it. I just
want them to better justify my choice of staying with CF for so long.
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Michael Grant mgr...@modus.bz wrote:
I'm not sure I'm understanding. Since I didn't mention Macromedia or
Allaire
This bodes well in that as long as it is profitable they won't kill it
entirely, but it's certainly no way to grow the product.
Oh come on! After the huge list of enhancements added in both ACF8 and
ACF9? And creating a dedicated IDE for CFML development? And a roadmap
containing updated
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
I truly fear it may be a day late and a dollar short.
I think it's the right time, at the right price.
OpenBD is also quite nice. =)
With viable open source solutions, the idea that we, as developers,
are responsible for growing
Coming from a design, not programming, background, I embraced Coldfusion for
all the well-known reasons: easy to use, easy to learn, easy, easy...you get
the idea.
With the advent of more advanced features, everywhere I go I see a big push for
moving Coldfusion and Coldfusion development into
what's really wrong with a procedural approach
Nothing. With the appropriate combo of dev skill-set / site complexity /
time-to-launch / etc, there's nothing wrong with well-written procedural
code.
I'll let others tackle the other question(s).
On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Irvin Gomez
wouldn't it make far more sense to move into something more popular
like PHP, .Net, etc. right away?
In a word. Yes. Unless you live in California, which seems to be the only
place where CF jobs seem to be these days.
Second and final question: what's really wrong with a procedural
Unless you live in California, which seems to be the only place where CF
jobs seem to be these days.
Huh? http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusionl=
http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=coldfusionl=
Washington, DC (231)
Baltimore, MD (59)
Charlotte, NC (50)
Omaha, NE (46)
Chicago, IL (41)
Arlington,
Washington, DC (231)
Baltimore, MD (59)
Charlotte, NC (50)
Omaha, NE (46)
Chicago, IL (41)
Arlington, VA (41)
Los Angeles, CA (39)
Boston, MA (39)
New York, NY (38)
Columbia, MD (35)
Cleveland, OH (34)
Huntsville, AL (29)
Reston, VA (28)
Atlanta, GA (28)
Minneapolis, MN (26)
...
well u have to learn what the employers want. And at the end of the day if
you are learning CF with the intent of getting contracts then you may well
have to learn all the complex OOP/framework stuff. For full-time jobs you
can get away with less, but not often as are required to work on
Wow. Whether you meant to or not you just made my point. Not about CA, but
about the dismal state of CF employment.
Total CF jobs: 2,382
Total PHP jobs: 21,015
Total .net jobs: 115,283
Total ruby jobs: 11,309
Total python jobs: 17,547
In each of the above (except ruby) there's more jobs in the
I'm a CF guy, have been for 13+ years.
I've been a primary CF'er from 1996 (or so) to present. So, for you and I
and many/most others on this list, the dismal state of CF employment ain't
too dismal.
Having said that, it seems clear that smart CF'ers will also become some
combo of DBA /
Somehow i agree with Irvin :)
I've been doing programming since Basica/GWBasic (that's somewhere in
early 90 or late 80),
and am proficient in coding Java, C++, Delphi, TSQL, PL/SQL and such...
What i love most from CF is it's easy to understand and can do things
in 3-4 LOC whereas other
Where is the link to the Mont St. Hilaire job :)
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Washington, DC (231)
Baltimore, MD (59)
Charlotte, NC (50)
Omaha, NE (46)
Chicago, IL (41)
Arlington, VA (41
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Where is the link to the Mont St. Hilaire job :)
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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9egans [mailto:schneeg...@interneti=71?=
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Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:11 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing
, January 12, 2011 10:11 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
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With the advent of more advanced features, everywhere I go I see a big
push for moving Coldfusion and Coldfusion development into very complicated
frameworks and OOP. The usual reason given is that not doing so runs the
risk of rendering the Coldfusion developer obsolete in the job marketplace.
Nah this was 8 bit 6502 assembler
Lda#$00
Sta$d020
Sta$d021
Commodore64 fans should know what that does :-)
Russ
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From: Rizal Firmansyah [mailto:rizal.firmans...@masrizal.com]
Sent: 12 January 2011 14:36
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
wouldn't it make far more sense to move into something more popular
like PHP, .Net, etc. right away?
In a word. Yes. Unless you live in California, which seems to be the only
place where CF jobs seem to be these days.
Second and final
[mailto:rizal.firmans...@masrizal.com]
Sent: 12 January 2011 14:36
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Is Coldfusion losing it biggest asset?
Whoa,
assembler.. back to the old days when moving to 16bit...
All ended with *W :)
Yeah, those are for hardcore jobs only...
I got several projects though :)
Rizal
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